Aircraft Crashes

[Inversion]

Two military aircraft have crashed in two days. Early reports were unclear if the Osprey was carrying nuclear material. Link (www.youtube.com/watch?v=arvSK633Pn8)

UPDATE- Title info changed after Military says NO Nuclear Material On Aircraft!
Military has yet to confirm the nuclear report!

airforcetimes (https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2022/06/09/official-4-dead-1-unaccounted-for-in-marine-osprey-crash/)

Four Marines were killed and another is missing after an Osprey aircraft crashed in the Southern California desert, a military official said Thursday, a day after the accident.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still ongoing. No additional details were available.

The MV-22B Osprey was carrying five Marines when it went down at 12:25 p.m. Wednesday during training in a remote area in Imperial County near the community of Glamis, about 115 miles east of San Diego.

The aircraft was based at Camp Pendleton, California, with Marine Aircraft Group 39 and was part of the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing headquartered at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in San Diego, Maj. Mason Englehart, a spokesperson for the wing, said Wednesday.

The MV-22B is a twin-engine tilt-rotor aircraft that can take off and land like a helicopter but transit as a turboprop aircraft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOMCU0bGBDg

The second incident.
foxla (https://www.foxla.com/news/crews-responding-to-possible-crash-involving-military-plane-near-yuma-arizona)

IMPERIAL COUNTY, Calif. - Officials said no deaths were reported after a U.S. Navy helicopter crashed at a training range in Imperial County Thursday.

According to the Naval Air Facility El Centro, the crash took place in the Navy's training range. All four people aboard the helicopter survived the crash, officials said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1NUUHg3z_k

[Strat]

Those things crash often. I am somewhat surprised that the military still uses them.

[Spiral]

The Ospreys crash so often it freaks me out every time they fly over my house, they should be grounded.

[Inversion]

The Ospreys crash so often it freaks me out every time they fly over my house, they should be grounded.

Yeah, they don't have a good record.
wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_V-22_Osprey#:~:text=The%20V%2D22%20Osprey%20has,crashes%20resulting%20in%2030%20fatalities.)

The Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey is an American military tiltrotor aircraft with an accident history that has generated controversy over its perceived safety. The aircraft was developed by Bell Helicopter and Boeing Helicopters; the companies partner in its manufacture and support.

The V-22 Osprey has had 13 hull loss accidents that have resulted in a total of 51 fatalities. During testing from 1991 to 2006 there were four crashes resulting in 30 fatalities.[1] Since becoming operational in 2007, the V-22 has had eight crashes including two combat-zone crashes,[2][3] and several other accidents and incidents that resulted in a total of 16 fatalities.[4]

[O Donna]

Even before viewing the OP, the Osprey immediately came to mind.

[Inversion]

This Osprey crashed into the USS Green Bay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Green_Bay_(LPD-20)) in 2017.
dailymail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10978713/Disturbing-new-footage-shows-moment-MV-22-Osprey-helicopter-crashed-2017-killing-three-Marines.html)

Footage released this weekend showed the horrific August 2017 Osprey smash that killed three Marines
It was completing a day of practice missions in Australia when it struck the deck of the USS Green Bay and plunged 30 feet into the Pacific
The chopper's co-pilot, 1st Lt. Benjamin Cross, died in the subsequent crash, as did Pfc Ruben Velasco, 19, and Cpl Nathaniel Ordway, 26
Another 23 Marines who were on board the chopper at the time of the smash were rescued
A subsequent investigation cleared Cross and his unnamed co-pilot of any wrongdoing, and said technical issues had caused the crash
Last month, five decorated Marines were killed in an Osprey crash in California, with some branding the accident-plagued choppers flying death-traps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVpFmOShAg

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This air collision happened during an air show in Dallas, Texas. The planes were a P-63 Kingcobra and a B-17. All six crew members are feared dead.

Dailymail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11420933/Planes-crash-mid-air-Wings-Dallas-event-sending-debris-flying.html)

Six crew members are feared to be dead after two historic planes collided in mid-air at the Wings Over Dallas airshow Saturday afternoon
Video posted online shows a Boeing B17 Flying Fortress bomber quickly approaching the flight path of a Bell P-63 Kingcobra
Soon, the bomber completely collides with the Kingcobra, tearing it apart as the larger plane split in half and crashes in a ball of fire nearby
Witnesses say debris from the planes is strewn over Highway 67
Footage from the aftermath showed smoke billowing above tents at the festival


11/12/22 (2:21)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgpXV2rCurY

[norman]

disclosetv/9894

[Johnnycomelately]

Not a crash, but a serious incident. Fedex has some good drivers. Wasn’t their fault, was ATC’s, but they saved it.

Southwest pilot did good too, declined an ATC instruction (“Negative.”) that might have caused them CFIT.

Austin, TX Loss of Separation 4 Feb 2023

blancolirio
350K subscribers

12K views 1 hour ago
“A VERY Close Call in foggy conditions!”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvUOHa8n7aQ

[Inversion]

Not a crash, but a serious incident. Fedex has some good drivers. Wasn’t their fault, was ATC’s, but they saved it.

Southwest pilot did good too, declined an ATC instruction (“Negative.”) that might have caused them CFIT.

Austin, TX Loss of Separation 4 Feb 2023

blancolirio
350K subscribers

12K views 1 hour ago
“A VERY Close Call in foggy conditions!”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvUOHa8n7aQ

He did a really good job on covering the Oroville Dam incident. link (www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilkU_ivYTqQ)

[Johnnycomelately]

He did a really good job on covering the Oroville Dam incident. link (www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilkU_ivYTqQ)

I watched that saga from the very beginning. Someone posted his first deluge story, before the main spillway failure, on LiveLeak. His quality of journalism is ‘off the charts’, together with technical savvy borne of experience.

Denise/Dizi knows him personally.

[Johnnycomelately]

Naval Aviation Vets Analyze the F-35 Ramp Strike FINAL Report

Ward Carroll
361K subscribers

35,544 views Streamed live 8 hours ago
“Mooch and Hozer were among the first to get their hands on the final report that details the F-35C ramp strike aboard VINSON early last year, and in this exclusive livestream they discuss the findings in detail”

Pilot erred, forgot to flick a switch on final (approach) which would have let the airplane handle the power setting automatically. As it was, he got too low and too slow, and firewalled the throttle too late. Nobody died, but 6 people including the pilot were helicoptered to the Philippines for treatment. An unstated number of others were treated for minor injuries on the ship.

The pilot (a male, not female as had been rumoured) ejected in a timely and (officially) proper manner, and was back on the carrier in about 15 minutes. He got himself into his life raft, but reported neck and back pain so was stabilized on a stretcher for the lift (done by a Rescue Swimmer from the helicopter).

The cause of his absent mindedness was judged to be the reduced time he allowed himself to perform his landing checks after initiating a very “sh*t hot break”, which included 2 seven-G turns with afterburner in the landing pattern. Official recommendations do not include banning that practice, but rather some hardware change$ to alert a pilot and shipboard Landing Service Operators to this mode of failure.

This occurred in the South China Sea in late January 2022. The reporting deadline (supposed to be 30 days) was extended, to allow recovery of the aircraft from 12,000 ft. of water, plus more time for oversight including redactions.

The pilot was allowed to “keep his wings”, but will be flying a desk for the remainder of his USN service. It was his first deployment, happened right at the end of it (8 or 9 months at sea), and that maneuver (SHB, or Sierra Hotel Break, in official parlance) had been approved by his superior (and up the chain of command) for training purposes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4p2YtWylFo

Edit: Here is a PDF of the official report, which I read all of. Lots of interesting details about both the the plane (F-35C) and modern American naval aviation in general.

One weird detail (sorry, I didn’t record the page) was that the Philippines flight was done with helicopters instead of the faster new tilt-wing jobs because the latter were not trained or allowed to fly less than 150 ft. above the sea surface lol. It was ordered to be done at wave top height, probably to elude prying radar eyes.

Sorry if I have got any of the numbers wrong, didn’t go back to check, but am pretty sure they’re right.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23686824/f-35c-records-for-release-redacted-v2.pdf

[Denise/Dizi]

We had 2 private aircraft go down locally last week as well... One in Oroville, a piper I believe, (although I may be wrong..) and the other, an experimental aircraft in Grass Valley.....

I would guess landing anything on a carrier would be beyond difficult... Those ships don't just sit in the water flat, they are constantly rolling and pitching from below... And they never raise up as "one surface" that is always level.

It could be that the ship was lifting up on the side that "Appeared" as if the Osprey was listing to one side.. When really, it was the ship raising up on that side...

I would guess trying to determine where and when the deck would right itself to the point where they could drop it, would be incredibly challenging.

I tried to keep my focus on the background, but that doesn't give an accurate image of what is happening directly below them. As of course the water looks level from afar... When they fished it out of the water, you get a better sense of just how turbulent the ocean was that day.

A terrible loss for the families and crew...