Roe v Wade Chaos

[pabranno]

The US is going full tilt over this issue. At the minimum, that is what is being portrayed to the public. I’m surprised to find myself thinking, in the far recessed of my mind, that this is exactly what they hoped for. Who knows. I wish the energy expended could be expanded to other deeply unsettling issues, if not more so. I’m confused at the fuse lit and the apparent resulting conflagration, considering all that currently globally besieges us.
God Bless.

Pamela

[Ankle Biter]

I think you've hit the nail on the head.. or at least it resonates with my own beliefs that stuff like this gets plastered all over the media to direct discussion and focus. It's no coincidence that they will usually do this with very polarizing issues such as with Roe v Wade, or the whole Depp and Herd case and on and on.. all theatre in my opinion.

If it has camps of people forming divisions and arguing among ourselves rather than looking at and asking questions of those in positions who can and do enact real change and affect on our lives, i.e. elected leaders and their propped up lobbying bodies etc.. then to me it is clear misdirection or sleight of hand techniques being implemented... now, since they're drunk on power and up to no good just about all the damn time, I'm expecting the theatre to be in overdrive. And that's a bit concerning.

[DeDukshyn]

 

What I see is that in the pretext to more and more coming "plandemics", justifying the normalization of forcing regular experimental pharmaceutical injections and other drugs onto the masses, the idea of bodily autonomy is a threat to that pathway. The legal removal of other choices of bodily autonomy sets a precedence that no one has that right.

It's a chess game, one piece moved at a time, each move setting up future moves. The distraction part is just what an angry population allows to happen to themselves as they find an outlet to direct that discomfort with what they feel subconsciously as the "Great Reset" progresses.

"We must prepare for an angry world" - Klaus Schwab, 2017

[Orph]

It's the same with the televised "Jan 6 everybody look at bad Trump" that's happening. It's all smoke and mirrors to distract us from the real craphole that we are in.

[Mike Gorman]

The US is going full tilt over this issue. At the minimum, that is what is being portrayed to the public. I’m surprised to find myself thinking, in the far recessed of my mind, that this is exactly what they hoped for. Who knows. I wish the energy expended could be expanded to other deeply unsettling issues, if not more so. I’m confused at the fuse lit and the apparent resulting conflagration, considering all that currently globally besieges us.
God Bless.

Pamela

Absolutely spot on, this issue which addresses the power of states to determine their own policies regarding abortion has a deep and resonant effect for the American 'liberal' community, how can they be so consumed by a point of law, the 'allowing' of more conservative states to impose legal restraint on abortion: this is what they are hysterical about, this is a social trigger point because it recognizes the existence of alternative points of view. Thou Shalt not terminate thy children in this state = acknowledgement of religious and philosophical differences in the macro social context (wow, I should get a distinction for this sentence alone!); this means that not all people agree with abortion, shock!
We are poised on the precipice of humanity's destruction, social chaos and rampant violence, utter ruin but they get upset about people disagreeing about terminating pregnancy: Ironic or what?

I have described our present times as being not the 'information age'...but 'The Age of Irony', we are actually living within an ironic reality, our social world is a drama of deep hypocrisy and obvious contradiction: help us all, we want to get off but there are no 'off ramps'.

[pabranno]

Distinction acknowledged, Mike. Amazing how people can be so vehemently consumed by an orchestrated construct. Ironic indeed. The dynamics of mass hysteria are alarming. Thanks for your insight.

Pamela

[pabranno]

If anyone has any credible news or updates on the Roe v Wade response, I would be grateful for any tidbits. There’s a lot going on. It’s difficult to filter through and see the pattern.

Pamela

[ExomatrixTV]

Roe V. Wade Mega Meltdowns!:

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Roe Overturned, Gun Rights, Lib/demonic Screams, More Pain Coming!

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source (https://rumble.com/v19spvb-6.24.22-roe-overturned-gun-rights-libdemonic-screams-more-pain-coming-grace.html)

[Poopdeckpappy]

Bringing down Roe v Wade is the truth awakening of the Supreme Court that says they cannot overreach in their powers, and they have now checked themselves on it. Of course both sides use their own ideologies, and perspectives, and verbiage to drive their individual points across, but those people are just hollering in the windstorm. It is the quintessential snake eating itself and i'm glad. It brings change, which we so desperately need, and it brings awareness to the importance of the human race, the role we play here on this planet, and the frailty level at which it all operates on. Pondering life, death, and how to best live our time here is of the utmost importance if we are to continue to thrive on this planet as a whole. No matter what your beliefs or ideologies, we all deserve to have a chance to live our best version of our life that's been given. So with that said, enjoy your weekend because it's short lived, and gone too soon. Eh?

[wondering]

Ah, abortion... the woman's dilemma. One option would be to track unwanted pregnancies and require vasectomies...
I am neither for nor against abortion, but I am adamantly pro choice. It also seems to me that no matter what the laws say, most often those with power and wealth will never face this abortion dilemma because there will always be options they can buy, manipulate or somehow achieve with no fanfare or publicity. So discouraging...

[ExomatrixTV]

The Week Supreme Court STRIKES DOWN Roe V Wade, Bipartisan Gun Bill PASSES In Senate, Twitter Board:

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[Mike]

Ah, abortion... the woman's dilemma. One option would be to track unwanted pregnancies and require vasectomies...
I am neither for nor against abortion, but I am adamantly pro choice. It also seems to me that no matter what the laws say, most often those with power and wealth will never face this abortion dilemma because there will always be options they can buy, manipulate or somehow achieve with no fanfare or publicity. So discouraging...


I feel sort of similar.

I've gotten more conservative as I've gotten older but I haven't totally forgotten what it's like to be 18. I recall being in health class, the sex ed bit, and they showed us endless pictures of the most horrifying cases of STD affliction. All the worst cases in one fell swoop, in an attempt to frighten us from having sex I imagine. And I'm being 100% honest when I say that I was totally unmoved by any of it. I was every bit as enthusiastic and raring to go as I had been before I'd seen them:)

Nothing is gonna stop a young guy from having sex. Nothing. Every cell in his body is begging him to do it. So there are going to be loads of unwanted pregnancies. That's just the reality. But I don't think you should be shackled to the first person you have sex with for the rest of your life.

Having said all that, I've listened to some pretty compelling pro life arguments lately, and I find myself agreeing with many of them.

So I'm caught somewhere in the middle between my 18 yr old self and my 45 yr old self on this one.

Is the ruling a distraction? Sure. Is it a conspiracy of some sort. Nah, don't think so.

[Vangelo]

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... this issue which addresses the power of states to determine their own policies regarding abortion has a deep and resonant effect for the American 'liberal' community, how can they be so consumed by a point of law, the 'allowing' of more conservative states to impose legal restraint on abortion: this is what they are hysterical about, this is a social trigger point because it recognizes the existence of alternative points of view. Thou Shalt not terminate thy children in this state = acknowledgement of religious and philosophical differences in the macro social context
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This is the larger issue in my opinion i.e. abortion is legalized at the State level rather than at the Federal level and it upholds the US constitution.. This is why, for instance, Marijuana can be legally sold and consumed in some states even though it is illegal from the perspective of federal law.

The governing principle founding the United States of America is that States have powers that exceed that of the Federal Government (that is why we are called the 'the united states'). It is fundamentally the idea that the sovereign individual has rights that are granted by God rather than any government and then there is a hierarchy of power granted from the individual up to the government as opposed to the reverse which is more common around the world. The implication of this principle is in fundamental conflict with the 'liberal/left/woke/WEF' agendas because they want a single, all powerful government to enforce laws that are pushed down rather than a decentralized system of distributed pockets of sovereignty i.e., States and ultimately the individual.

[T Smith]

Absolutely spot on, this issue which addresses the power of states to determine their own policies regarding abortion has a deep and resonant effect for the American 'liberal' community, how can they be so consumed by a point of law, the 'allowing' of more conservative states to impose legal restraint on abortion: this is what they are hysterical about, this is a social trigger point because it recognizes the existence of alternative points of view. Thou Shalt not terminate thy children in this state = acknowledgement of religious and philosophical differences in the macro social context (wow, I should get a distinction for this sentence alone!); this means that not all people agree with abortion, shock!
We are poised on the precipice of humanity's destruction, social chaos and rampant violence, utter ruin but they get upset about people disagreeing about terminating pregnancy: Ironic or what?

I have described our present times as being not the 'information age'...but 'The Age of Irony', we are actually living within an ironic reality, our social world is a drama of deep hypocrisy and obvious contradiction: help us all, we want to get off but there are no 'off ramps'.

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I rarely speak to this issue, but if/when I do, I'll be sure to come back and reference your words here.

Great post, Mike.

[ExomatrixTV]

SCOTUS OVERTURNS Roe In Biggest Decision Of Our Generation:

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[xidaijena]

I saw this news just now. It makes me feel surprised that so many females are fighting with their legal rights. You know this will be impossible or VERY seldom to be seen in China.:p

Share an article written by Xuefeng about the Abortion, I agree with him:


投胎与堕胎

Reincarnation and Abortion

Xuefeng

(Translated by Tongxin)

胎，顾名思义，就是在一月内建造的亭台楼阁。不足一月的子宫内受精卵，不能叫胎，只是一个受了精的卵而已。

What is a fetus? In Chinese, the word translates to a house that is built over a period of about one month. (Note: fetus is written in Chinese as "胎"; the left part means month and the right part means pavilion. Zygotes are less than one month old and embryos are less than two months old and neither can be called fetuses; rather, they are only fertilized eggs.


鸡蛋是不是一个生命？当然不是。未受精的鸡蛋孵不出小鸡，受精的鸡蛋只有破壳而出才称为一个生命。
Is an unfertilised egg a LIFE? Of course not! A chicken can only hatch from one which has been fertilised, only when the time is right for it to do so, and only then can we call it a LIFE.


受精卵能否称为生命？答：不能，因为受精卵没有自主意识，没有自主意识的东西不能称为生命，否则，人造的汽车火车飞机等等都该称为生命了。
Can we call a fertilized egg a LIFE? No, because it has no self-awareness. Only those things with self-awareness can be called LIVES; otherwise, man-made mechanical devices such as trains and cars would qualify as such.



胎的含义是一月或几月内建造的房子。所以，胎不是生命，而是供生命居住的房子。
The meaning of a fetus is the house that is built within one to several months and it is therefore not a LIFE, but the house for a LIFE that will come to live inside of it.



这就诞生了投胎的问题，投胎就是某一个生命的灵体，或者叫灵魂投入了一个建造好的胎房。只有当某一个生命的灵体投入了胎，这个胎才称为一个生命。
On the matter of reincarnation, it is the spiritual entity namely “the soul” of a LIFE that enters into the house which is built for it. It is only when this soul of a LIFE enters into a fetus that it becomes a LIFE.


那么，生命的灵体什么时候投胎呢？
答：投胎的事一般发生在十月怀胎一朝分娩的前十天左右，但绝大多数的投胎发生在临盆前的三天之内。古今中外有大量的轮回转世投胎的事例能证明这一点。

When does the soul of a LIFE reincarnate? Reincarnation usually happens at about ten days before birth, while most of the process happens during the three days before birth. Many cases from examples from throughout history in different cultures prove this.



结论是：母体子宫内的胎儿，只有在临产前十天左右，才称为生命，其前的胎儿不是生命，只是建造好等待生命来居住的房屋。

The conclusion leads us to believe that fetuses in wombs can be called LIVES from only about ten days before their births, otherwise they are not LIVES, but houses waiting for new LIVES to enter.



基督教和佛教等宗教认为堕胎是犯罪，是杀害生命，这个观点是错误的，不符合事实。如果把一个受精卵或胎当作生命，那么，就不存在轮回转世之说，就不存在投胎之说，更不会有天堂地狱之说，因为不断地有大量新生命诞生 ，有大量旧生命死亡。人只能存一世，但事实不是这样。
Christianity and Buddhism regard abortions as sins because they kill LIVES. Such views are wrong because they do not reflect the facts. If we take a fertilized egg or a fetus as a LIFE, then the concepts of heaven, hell, and reincarnation cannot exist because many new LIVES are born, many old ones die continuously, and one could only live for one life as a human, and this is clearly not true.


一个少女在毫无防范毫无知情毫无节育措施的情况下怀孕了，是堕胎好，还是不堕胎好？在此，不要进行什么道德说教，此时进行喋喋不休的道德说教没用，还是考虑是脱胎，还是保胎。
Should a young girl who becomes pregnant after having sex without any knowledge and methods of contraception abort her growing embryo or fetus? Please do not preach morality here; it is useless at this time and we should only consider of whether she should “carry to term” or not.


你不让堕胎，你能否承担抚养孩子的责任？如果你不承担责任，却口口声声说不能堕胎，说堕胎是犯罪，请问，你的道德和责任在哪里？
If you do not agree that she should abort, would you be willing to be responsible for the nursing and rearing of her child? If you will not do this, but speak loudly against her abortion and say that abortion is a sin and a crime, please explain where your moral responsibility is?


生命禅院是人类最后的课程，一切以最后课程为主。

Lifechanyuan is the final course for human beings, everything is concluded by the final course.

July 8th 2011




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It is forbbiden to abort in religions. I think this wrong thinking kills many kind females.:facepalm:

[Delight]

Abortion in early early weeks of pregnancy is one place the MOTHER SHOULD BE FREE TO DECIDE. The UGLY AND WRONG such as frivolous late term abortion and infanticide do not change the fact that women bear the brunt of child bearing and have been "punished" in the past for becoming pregnant and left alone to struggle. If every child was embraced by a social structure tenderly caring for women and children, IMO abortion would be very rare.

There is an overt hatred for children and women and war against health and humanity being waged IMO.

If we had a coherent frame, IMO "My body, My choice" could be a point of power to fight the democide. The slow erosion of common sense with democidal manipulation to split us all into incoherent factions makes us fight one another effectively FOR THE DEATH OF HUMANITY. WHEN WE BEAR THE BRUNT OF A DECISION, we MUST be allowed the choice. Otherwise we are SOL.


Dr Naomi Wolf, [6/25/2022 6:10 PM]
Dear liberal feminists - what did you expect? WHAT did you expect? For two years you cheered as the state intruded into the very bodies of resistant first responders, you yelled at strangers for their personal choices to not wear masks, you supported the injection of experimental products into minors as mandated BY the state - and NOW you are surprised that your argument that a woman has right to private health care decisions and that bodily autonomy was sacrosanct - bore little weight? YOU have yourselves, as well as others, to blame for the demise of Roe. You cheered on an ideology of state intrusion into others’ medical decisions, that undermined your own arguments.

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[ExomatrixTV]

'A New Beginning': What Pro-lifers Must Do Now That Roe V. Wade Is Over

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The Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade and given the power to make decisions about abortion back to the states. But the fight to end abortion once and for all is far from over. Newsweek's Josh Hammer joins Glenn to review what this historic decision actually says and what the pro-life movement must do next as "the fight now shifts to the states." WATCH more Glenn



Glenn reacts LIVE, is STUNNED with Roe v. Wade overturn:

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Glenn receives the news live on-air that the Supreme Court announced its decision on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, effectively overturning Roe v. Wade after nearly 50 years. It’s a ‘miracle,’ he says, and asks God to ‘please hear the voice of your people. We are trying to mend our ways.

[TomKat]

When vaccine refusers started saying "my body, my choice" I was afraid they were going to repeal Roe v. Wade in order to conform to future demands of global fascism.

[ExomatrixTV]

Democrats WANT Violence After Supreme Court Ruling On Abortion:

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Maxine Watters: "The hell with the Supreme Court. We will defy them"
Trump: "lets march to the Capitol together peacefully and make our voices heard"

[pabranno]

Why the vehement reactions? I’m really asking. I don’t understand. Many many of these protesting so energetically have no personal interaction with the issue. Principle? It seems too much blow back energy to be principal or philosophy or religion This is the energy when people cannot feed their children far too long, at the doors of the luxuriant rulers.
I do not understand the intensity and the chaos by so many.
Any ideas?

[Ratszinger]

So the argument I hear is that legal precedent must be defended.
Seriously?
Legal precedent is what allowed the bulldozing of Indian graves at Standing Rock.
Legal precedent is what allowed every president since Truman to illegally commit troops to battle by not requesting a declaration of war from congress.
Now legal precedent threatens to allow elected officials to govern by proclamation and mandate (ie: monarchy) for any reason they can get enough people to believe.
And people think that’s worth defending?
Legal precedent is one of the most dangerous things on earth, because it allows people to pretend that illegal things are legal and get away with it.
What will happen now is probably planned out by these elite con men! inner city populations of all the red states will now grow and blossom into gangs and democrat voters turning the red states banning abortion into blue zones and since 70% of all abortions since Roe v Wade was made law were blacks the majority of inner city births in red states will be blacks. Blue states will remain mostly unchanged but then again they are already where they need to be it is the red states that need to get an influx of dem votes and black children growin up in poverty are the ticket for them as well as Hispanics from the border (so they hope) and their cheat network to steal elections!

[s7e6e]

Many babies conceived by vaccinated parents (at time of zygote) have lower IQ but exhibit extraordinary physical traits. Bringing these babies to term however has been proved to be extremely difficult. Hence the overturn.

[Johnnycomelately]

Dr. John Campbell, today, giving a slideshow titled Fetal Developement.

He introduces it in context of the decision, mentions the question of when ‘life’ starts, and says he isn’t entering that debate.

I think abortion is wrong when the reasons are selfish. I agree with the choice if the mother’s life is at risk. As with most things, the valuation here is not simple, not binary.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2e02QdzJgg

[ExomatrixTV]

Video Of Woman Screaming About Roe V Wade ‘Looks Like Exercise Trend’:

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The Left 'Went Insane' After Roe V Wade Overturn:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Over 1 MILLION Democrats Quit And Join GOP, Democrats PANIC As Roe Ruling Escalates Civil War:

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Over 1 MILLION Democrats Quit And Join GOP, Democrats PANIC As Roe Ruling Escalates Civil War. The executive Branch is outright defying the judicial as conflict in the streets escalates. But the good news is that Democrats are losing and the people of the united states have issues a repudiation of leftism and progressive politics. The country is in shambles, gas prices are skyrocketing, and people are fighting in the streets. Joe Biden has failed and the Republicans are poised to dominate in the midterms.

[JackMcThorn]

Women really own this topic. I'm surprised there is more men posting than women here on this thread.

The thing is, men really bear some responsibility on this issue but it is rarely mentioned. I'll get to that in a minute.

There are over 1m abortions in amerika per year. This is about the same numbers per year since the 197os. It is not the most in the world, but it is indeed a lot. About 2o per 1,ooo women.

I often wondered if the liberal left realised how many new tax payers it was killing over the abortion issue. [5o million] No one ever mentions it.

Back to men's responsibility: [Remember my body, my choice]

What happens is; there are prophylactics that work for men that are 98% effective to prevent pregnancy if used properly. They are easy to acquire, low cost, AND sometimes even no-cost. 98% is pretty ideal if you are conscientious and practical in your experience.

I would note here that women prophylactics are a bit more complicated. I have heard of men telling women 'they better not get pregnant' as if there is some way for women to control the issue telepathically. Just nonsense.

So my body, my choice starts with a choice: 1. to sleep with someone. If the man is foolish and does not want to use tried and true prophylactics, then does the choice matter? Does the decision change to No [in the heat of the moment, even?]?

1,ooo,ooo of the time in amerika that decision, my body; my choice: the decision to change from engaging in the act or not 'does not change her mind'. [for whatever reason and there could be a lot of reasons]

Notwithstanding criminal behaviour that results in unwanted pregnancy which is an issue all it's own but it is part of the 1m per year.

So really, if you think at the beginning of the engagement where something is about to happen between a man and a woman, there should be some thinking that goes on in the minds of both participants. [Even if you are drinking, or have an altered state of mind for whatever reason.]

Thinking.

Thinking is not one of many amerikan's strong points to be honest.

Even though Mike mentioned every cell is screaming in young men to procreate at youthful ages; there should be some thinking going on.

Otherwise, it is men don't think, and women will yourself to never get pregnant.

This issue is really simple.

[ExomatrixTV]

Two Ronald Reagan Abortion Clips Resurface! My Reaction:

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[ExomatrixTV]

The True Effect of the Dobbs Decision on Abortion Rights, with Gov. Kristi Noem:

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Megyn Kelly is joined by South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, author of "Not My First Rodeo", to speak about the public response to the overturning of Roe vs. Wave, how the media has swayed the realities of women’s healthcare, how South Dakota has taken action so far, and more.

[ExomatrixTV]

Voters Confront Dem. Politicians Over Roe v Wade Ruling:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Clarence Thomas vs. Wanda Sykes: Who's Smarter?

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[ExomatrixTV]

The Dumbest Takes On Roe v Wade Compilation:

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[ExomatrixTV]

One Normal Girl Finally Found on TikTok?

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Rob S (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXCKCaDe1d1UEmDQVb3Ux-A) quote:

"My 22 year old daughter just "renounced" me as her father over this whole roe decision. She posted her pro-abortion thoughts on Facebook and I lovingly commented on one (a post saying men are to blame for abortions, not women). Shortly after she blocked me and then sent me a text message saying I'm no longer her father - that I'm not welcome at her future wedding and I wont be the one to walk her down the aisle, I will never see my future grandchildren, and that I'll never hear from her again and that she hopes her words burn in my heart forever for what "I" have done (simply for taking a pro-life stance). It truly is amazing how unhinged people are becoming and how quickly friends and family are turning on each other. We used to agree to simply disagree - now we can't walk our own daughters down the aisle or hold a new born grandchild due to extreme divisive hate and spitefulness".

[Johnnycomelately]

Legal reasons for the no.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOvvBWSBwU0

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The Sh for an Abortionist: The Classic Study of How American Women Coped with Unwanted Pregnancy before Roe v. Wade

his eye-opening look at the abortion process prior to the Supreme Court's landmark�Roe v. Wade�decision of 1973 is now more relevant than ever, with a new introduction by the author revisiting history that is still salient half a century laterIn the years before�Roe v. Wade, women seeking to end their unwanted pregnancies had limited options—many of them dangerous, even potentially fatal, and nearly all of them illegal. This groundbreaking work by sociologist Nancy Howell Lee, first published in 1969, takes an intimate look at the entire abortion process—from the initial decision to terminate a pregnancy through the procedure itself and the aftermath—providing an incomparable view of what is still one of the most controversial and divisive issues in America.�Based on interviews with one hundred fourteen women who had illegal abortions, Howell Lee's book reveals how the abortions were procured and paid for, and looks at the lasting effects the experience had...

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