Jason Reza Jorjani and his philosophical concepts and Prometheism

[Chester]

The following video is an interview of my friend, Jason Reza Jorjani. The information he shares, especially the message to those with ears to hear, is the most important info/messaging one can come upon in our world today.

ae_PGHxuKPM

[Casey Claar]

I have always enjoyed listening to him speak, I will line this up for tonight, thank you for sharing. ( now I am so curious! ).

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In one word this ‘book’ is phenomenal. Dana Avalon, I mean Jason Jorjani, adds another literary masterpiece to his genre Novel Folklore. The book begins with Dana Avalon in the year 2112. Having realized that the war against the Traditionalist is lost (at least in the current time), Dana decides to go Back to the Future in order to rewrite ‘history’ and craft a new world. Since Uber Man is an addition to the genre Novel Folklore, Jason is continuing to develop the lore of the coming race by blurring the distinctions between the possible and the impossible and the distinctions between what is fact and fiction.

Once again, Jason demonstrates why he is the greatest Philosopher of our time. Even though this is primarily a novel, Jason works through Dana, or perhaps Dana works through Jason, to present the philosophical ideas of three books. The books are as follows: (1) Chaos, Order, and Progress, (2) The Future of Modernity, and (3) Phenomenal Authorization. The philosophical ideas presented in the guise of three books are keys to unlocking most of the hidden messages in Jason’s works. Matter of fact, one of the greatest esoteric secrets is revealed. You ever wondered what the hell Jason meant when he tweeted “God is an invention of the Devil”? The answer is revealed to us by Dana. It is through Dana that we come to gain a deeper understanding of the esoteric dimensions of Jason’s works and even understand some of his cryptic tweets.

Central to this masterpiece are the notions of Authorship, Authority and Authorization. Dr. Avalon points out that most of what passes as authority in today’s world isn’t actually authority. To have real authority in the world is to determine, or play a significant role, in the determining what counts as “possible” or “impossible”.

Authorization occurs when an Author or group of Authors determine what phenomenon are possible or impossible. Since the universe is akin to a shared story, we must resist those who wish to construct oppressively stifling narratives, and we must instead craft violently beautiful stories with an eye towards maximizing freedom and creativity. Hail Victory!


source (https://www.amazon.com/Uber-Man-Jason-Reza-Jorjani/dp/1914208773)

[Vangelo]

12 minutes into the video and had to comment. This is going to cause me to consider a much wider paradigm in which the power elite operate. Thank you Chester for the link.

[TraineeHuman]

Although Descartes was a Jesuit etc, I think that surely he was unleashing some tools for unlocking greater and more genuine truth. For instance, he insisted on always starting with the method of doubt (which alone already starts to me to seem to make him have more in common with Krishnamurti than with Aristotle or Plato etc). After all, how does having a foundation always in the method of doubt jibe with a culture based on certain dogmas?

Another example. A very basic proposition that Descartes argued for and, I believe, proved (beyond all doubt) was that all certainty is subjective and, in particular, it's also intersubjective. That fact had to be very vigorously denied and ridiculed and replaced by an opposite proposition before scientism could be made into the supposed foundation of so-called "good" science.

[O Donna]

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117450-Will-Next-Generation-Graphics-Unreal-Engine-5-Be-Used-For-Propaganda-PsyOps&p=1509835&viewfull=1#post1509835

Once you see (or hear) it, it can not be unheard.

Science FICTION is a bit of misnomer.

[Johnnycomelately]

The following video is an interview of my friend, Jason Reza Jorjani. The information he shares, especially the message to those with ears to hear, is the most important info/messaging one can come upon in our world today.

ae_PGHxuKPM

Chester, congrats on having as a friend such a smart and passionate fellow. However, I think that he is fooling himself. His ideals about transhumanism (- to + 20:00), things like making people healthier by genetically modifying them, seem to do the very thing he rails against: disturbing the natural flow and process of life.

I have been able to practice, and consequently know, some ways of the spirit, through physical injuries and ailments. Same with behavioural stuff. To me, our basic current nature is fine. The goal is to fix what our day shows us about our flaws.

Would you please talk about some points of his which you support? I got to 22:39.

[ExomatrixTV]

according to Wikipedia:

Jason Reza Jorjani is a proud Zionist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) but defends Iranians too ... he is a proud Eugenicist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics) (that alone makes me cringe) on top of that he promotes "Übermenschen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch)" German word for "Superior Race" used as propaganda for Nazi Germany ... Uber Mensch means "Above" Humans or "Higher/Super" Humans.


genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism (https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism)

To me, it seems like he acts (plays the role) of the "Good Cop" in the "Good Cop vs Bad Cop (https://procurementcube.org/negotiation-how-effective-is-the-good-cop-vs-bad-cop-routine/)" strategy.

I see (most) of the logic from his perspectives but he still misses out on so many things ... is it overlooked or is it a promoting of a different version of a transhumanist tunnel vision agenda?


It would be really interesting & fascinating to see a debate (or friendly discussion) between Patrick M. Wood (https://rumble.com/v18pc1k-live-patrick-wood-on-transhumanism-technocracy-global-transformation-10k-co.html) of Technocracy.News (http://Technocracy.News) and Jason Reza Jorjani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) <<< I may soon lobby for that :bowing:

... and I totally dig that Jason Reza Jorjani has refreshing views from what we are used to read/hear/see on this topic.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Chester]

The following video is an interview of my friend, Jason Reza Jorjani. The information he shares, especially the message to those with ears to hear, is the most important info/messaging one can come upon in our world today.

ae_PGHxuKPM

Chester, congrats on having as a friend such a smart and passionate fellow. However, I think that he is fooling himself. His ideals about transhumanism (- to + 20:00), things like making people healthier by genetically modifying them, seem to do the very thing he rails against: disturbing the natural flow and process of life.

I have been able to practice, and consequently know, some ways of the spirit, through physical injuries and ailments. Same with behavioural stuff. To me, our basic current nature is fine. The goal is to fix what our day shows us about our flaws.

Would you please talk about some points of his which you support? I got to 22:39.

I have read all 9 of his books contemplatively and some more than once. I have watched contemplatively all his interviews that are (or were) available to me (literally dozens). I have spent hours with Dr. Jorjani in conversation and was gifted with his visit to me an my home last June where we were together for six days.

Based on the above, I can state with great confidence that unless one spends the time getting to know his material, his philosophical concepts (and how he builds them) and why he builds the case for what he calls Prometheism, then there's little to gain in any attempt on my part to "talk about some points of his which [I] support."

For those who are willing to put in the work, I recommend his books and interviews as no one makes all the various points Jason offers better than Jason himself.

HERE (https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Jason+Reza+Jorjani&crid=WL61653BMTBG&sprefix=jason+reza+jorjani%2Caps%2C106&ref=nb_sb_noss_1) is his author's page on Amazon.

Here is his Youtube page with many of his interviews (though not nearly all) - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMf21PmH0izn6K-m-RfJR_A/featured

[Chester]

according to Wikipedia:

Jason Reza Jorjani is a proud Zionist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) but defends Iranians too ... he is a proud Eugenicist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics) (that alone makes me cringe) on top of that he promotes "Übermenschen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch)" German word for "Superior Race" used as propaganda for Nazi Germany ... Uber Mensch means "Above" Humans or "Higher/Super" Humans.


genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism (https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism)

To me he acts (plays the role) of the "Good Cop" in the "Good Cop vs Bad Cop (https://procurementcube.org/negotiation-how-effective-is-the-good-cop-vs-bad-cop-routine/)" strategy.

I see (most) of the logic from his perspectives but he still misses out on so many things ... is it overlooked or is it a promoting of a different version of a transhumanist tunnel vision agenda?


It would be really interesting & fascinating to see a debate (or friendly discussion) between Patrick M. Wood (https://rumble.com/v18pc1k-live-patrick-wood-on-transhumanism-technocracy-global-transformation-10k-co.html) of Technocracy.News (http://Technocracy.News) and Jason Reza Jorjani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) <<< I may soon lobby for that :bowing:

... and I totally dig that Jason Reza Jorjani has refreshing views from what we are used to read/hear/see on this topic.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

I am surprised you would quote from Wikipedia (knowing what is known about Wikipedia, their methods and their agenda).

Note: Jorjani was the target of an operation to defame him ("cancellation") conducted by a cadre of intelligence agencies, contractors to such and their cronies in media. His career was destroyed as a professor which is how he has supported himself so that he could pursue his passion... philosophy.

I highly recommend you study his works enough to get truly familiar with his views, ExomatrixTV (John) because I make odds pretty high that if you did, you would begin to open to the full body of his work.

[Chester]

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In one word this ‘book’ is phenomenal. Dana Avalon, I mean Jason Jorjani, adds another literary masterpiece to his genre Novel Folklore. The book begins with Dana Avalon in the year 2112. Having realized that the war against the Traditionalist is lost (at least in the current time), Dana decides to go Back to the Future in order to rewrite ‘history’ and craft a new world. Since Uber Man is an addition to the genre Novel Folklore, Jason is continuing to develop the lore of the coming race by blurring the distinctions between the possible and the impossible and the distinctions between what is fact and fiction.

Once again, Jason demonstrates why he is the greatest Philosopher of our time. Even though this is primarily a novel, Jason works through Dana, or perhaps Dana works through Jason, to present the philosophical ideas of three books. The books are as follows: (1) Chaos, Order, and Progress, (2) The Future of Modernity, and (3) Phenomenal Authorization. The philosophical ideas presented in the guise of three books are keys to unlocking most of the hidden messages in Jason’s works. Matter of fact, one of the greatest esoteric secrets is revealed. You ever wondered what the hell Jason meant when he tweeted “God is an invention of the Devil”? The answer is revealed to us by Dana. It is through Dana that we come to gain a deeper understanding of the esoteric dimensions of Jason’s works and even understand some of his cryptic tweets.

Central to this masterpiece are the notions of Authorship, Authority and Authorization. Dr. Avalon points out that most of what passes as authority in today’s world isn’t actually authority. To have real authority in the world is to determine, or play a significant role, in the determining what counts as “possible” or “impossible”.

Authorization occurs when an Author or group of Authors determine what phenomenon are possible or impossible. Since the universe is akin to a shared story, we must resist those who wish to construct oppressively stifling narratives, and we must instead craft violently beautiful stories with an eye towards maximizing freedom and creativity. Hail Victory!


source (https://www.amazon.com/Uber-Man-Jason-Reza-Jorjani/dp/1914208773)


Note: I did not write that review... but that is me in the photo holding a copy of Jorjani's book, UBER MAN. Why I provided the photo was because Amazon refused to cite me as a Verified Purchaser of UBER MAN despite the fact I had bought three different copies of this book from them.

This was my review - here (https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2DAQUOFN5W5DD/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1914208765)

[Chester]

Philosophical concepts developed by Jason Jorjani:

Being Bound for Freedom

The Spectral Revolution

The End of All Things (end of humanity, history, reality)

World State of Emergency

Destructive Departure in World View Warfare

Phenomenal Authorization

---Mercurial Hermeneutics

---Novel Folklore

[Chester]

I asked Jason to provide me a list of the top 20 or so philosophical books I should read (and in order I should read them).

49408

[ExomatrixTV]

according to Wikipedia:

Jason Reza Jorjani is a proud Zionist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) but defends Iranians too ... he is a proud Eugenicist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics) (that alone makes me cringe) on top of that he promotes "Übermenschen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch)" German word for "Superior Race" used as propaganda for Nazi Germany ... Uber Mensch means "Above" Humans or "Higher/Super" Humans.



genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism (https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism)


To me he acts (plays the role) of the "Good Cop" in the "Good Cop vs Bad Cop (https://procurementcube.org/negotiation-how-effective-is-the-good-cop-vs-bad-cop-routine/)" strategy.

I see (most) of the logic from his perspectives but he still misses out on so many things ... is it overlooked or is it a promoting of a different version of a transhumanist tunnel vision agenda?



It would be really interesting & fascinating to see a debate (or friendly discussion) between Patrick M. Wood (https://rumble.com/v18pc1k-live-patrick-wood-on-transhumanism-technocracy-global-transformation-10k-co.html) of Technocracy.News (http://Technocracy.News) and Jason Reza Jorjani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) <<< I may soon lobby for that :bowing:

... and I totally dig that Jason Reza Jorjani has refreshing views from what we are used to read/hear/see on this topic.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

I am surprised you would quote from Wikipedia (knowing what is known about Wikipedia, their methods and their agenda).

Note: Jorjani was the target of an operation to defame him ("cancellation") conducted by a cadre of intelligence agencies, contractors to such and their cronies in media. His career was destroyed as a professor which is how he has supported himself so that he could pursue his passion... philosophy.

I highly recommend you study his works enough to get truly familiar with his views, ExomatrixTV (John) because I make odds pretty high that if you did, you would begin to open to the full body of his work.

That is why I used question-marks ... am far far away from having any definite opinions ... my questions are 100% legit ... even if it turns out to be different ... still they need to be asked! ... It is part of a ongoing process.


It would be really interesting & fascinating to see a debate (or friendly discussion) between Patrick M. Wood (https://rumble.com/v18pc1k-live-patrick-wood-on-transhumanism-technocracy-global-transformation-10k-co.html) of Technocracy.News (http://Technocracy.News) and Jason Reza Jorjani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) <<< I may soon lobby for that :bowing:

[Jim_Duyer]

Strange. Based upon what I watched from the video, had he been around that early I would almost suspect him of being one of the authors of the Georgia Guidestones. Wakipedia aside, I can't ignore his clear connection with Arktos Media as its editor. But when he left Arktos he claimed that he was a Leftist and not a Nazi. I can't stomach either group, personally. Are those really our only two choices today? Or isn't that what is being sold to us as our only two options? Old salesman's trick - which of these two suggestions suits you better. Neither, for me.

[Chester]

according to Wikipedia:

Jason Reza Jorjani is a proud Zionist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) but defends Iranians too ... he is a proud Eugenicist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics) (that alone makes me cringe) on top of that he promotes "Übermenschen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch)" German word for "Superior Race" used as propaganda for Nazi Germany ... Uber Mensch means "Above" Humans or "Higher/Super" Humans.



genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism (https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism)


To me he acts (plays the role) of the "Good Cop" in the "Good Cop vs Bad Cop (https://procurementcube.org/negotiation-how-effective-is-the-good-cop-vs-bad-cop-routine/)" strategy.

I see (most) of the logic from his perspectives but he still misses out on so many things ... is it overlooked or is it a promoting of a different version of a transhumanist tunnel vision agenda?



It would be really interesting & fascinating to see a debate (or friendly discussion) between Patrick M. Wood (https://rumble.com/v18pc1k-live-patrick-wood-on-transhumanism-technocracy-global-transformation-10k-co.html) of Technocracy.News (http://Technocracy.News) and Jason Reza Jorjani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) <<< I may soon lobby for that :bowing:

... and I totally dig that Jason Reza Jorjani has refreshing views from what we are used to read/hear/see on this topic.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

I am surprised you would quote from Wikipedia (knowing what is known about Wikipedia, their methods and their agenda).

Note: Jorjani was the target of an operation to defame him ("cancellation") conducted by a cadre of intelligence agencies, contractors to such and their cronies in media. His career was destroyed as a professor which is how he has supported himself so that he could pursue his passion... philosophy.

I highly recommend you study his works enough to get truly familiar with his views, ExomatrixTV (John) because I make odds pretty high that if you did, you would begin to open to the full body of his work.

That is why I used question-marks ... am far far away from having any definite opinions ... my questions are 100% legit ... even if it turns out to be different ... still they need to be asked! ... It is part of a ongoing process.


It would be really interesting & fascinating to see a debate (or friendly discussion) between Patrick M. Wood (https://rumble.com/v18pc1k-live-patrick-wood-on-transhumanism-technocracy-global-transformation-10k-co.html) of Technocracy.News (http://Technocracy.News) and Jason Reza Jorjani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) <<< I may soon lobby for that :bowing:


Could you make this happen? (meaning have Patrick M. Wood become familiar enough with Jorjani's work to extend an invitation to have a conversation)? If so, and the goal is a legitimate and fair discussion, I can get the invitation to Jason (Jorjani).

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Strange. Based upon what I watched from the video, had he been around that early I would almost suspect him of being one of the authors of the Georgia Guidestones. Wakipedia aside, I can't ignore his clear connection with Arktos Media as its editor. But when he left Arktos he claimed that he was a Leftist and not a Nazi. I can't stomach either group, personally. Are those really our only two choices today? Or isn't that what is being sold to us as our only two options? Old salesman's trick - which of these two suggestions suits you better. Neither, for me.

If you watched the full video, you would know he's neither (Nazi or Leftist). But also, he isn't able to be placed in any of the political movements and/or ideologies known today.

[Jim_Duyer]

according to Wikipedia:

Jason Reza Jorjani is a proud Zionist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) but defends Iranians too ... he is a proud Eugenicist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics) (that alone makes me cringe) on top of that he promotes "Übermenschen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch)" German word for "Superior Race" used as propaganda for Nazi Germany ... Uber Mensch means "Above" Humans or "Higher/Super" Humans.



genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism (https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism)


To me he acts (plays the role) of the "Good Cop" in the "Good Cop vs Bad Cop (https://procurementcube.org/negotiation-how-effective-is-the-good-cop-vs-bad-cop-routine/)" strategy.

I see (most) of the logic from his perspectives but he still misses out on so many things ... is it overlooked or is it a promoting of a different version of a transhumanist tunnel vision agenda?



It would be really interesting & fascinating to see a debate (or friendly discussion) between Patrick M. Wood (https://rumble.com/v18pc1k-live-patrick-wood-on-transhumanism-technocracy-global-transformation-10k-co.html) of Technocracy.News (http://Technocracy.News) and Jason Reza Jorjani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) <<< I may soon lobby for that :bowing:

... and I totally dig that Jason Reza Jorjani has refreshing views from what we are used to read/hear/see on this topic.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

I am surprised you would quote from Wikipedia (knowing what is known about Wikipedia, their methods and their agenda).

Note: Jorjani was the target of an operation to defame him ("cancellation") conducted by a cadre of intelligence agencies, contractors to such and their cronies in media. His career was destroyed as a professor which is how he has supported himself so that he could pursue his passion... philosophy.

I highly recommend you study his works enough to get truly familiar with his views, ExomatrixTV (John) because I make odds pretty high that if you did, you would begin to open to the full body of his work.

That is why I used question-marks ... am far far away from having any definite opinions ... my questions are 100% legit ... even if it turns out to be different ... still they need to be asked! ... It is part of a ongoing process.


It would be really interesting & fascinating to see a debate (or friendly discussion) between Patrick M. Wood (https://rumble.com/v18pc1k-live-patrick-wood-on-transhumanism-technocracy-global-transformation-10k-co.html) of Technocracy.News (http://Technocracy.News) and Jason Reza Jorjani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jorjani) <<< I may soon lobby for that :bowing:


Could you make this happen? (meaning have Patrick M. Wood become familiar enough with Jorjani's work to extend an invitation to have a conversation)? If so, and the goal is a legitimate and fair discussion, I can get the invitation to Jason (Jorjani).

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Strange. Based upon what I watched from the video, had he been around that early I would almost suspect him of being one of the authors of the Georgia Guidestones. Wakipedia aside, I can't ignore his clear connection with Arktos Media as its editor. But when he left Arktos he claimed that he was a Leftist and not a Nazi. I can't stomach either group, personally. Are those really our only two choices today? Or isn't that what is being sold to us as our only two options? Old salesman's trick - which of these two suggestions suits you better. Neither, for me.

If you watched the full video, you would know he's neither (Nazi or Leftist). But also, he isn't able to be placed in any of the political movements and/or ideologies known today.

I appreciate and thank you for the time you took to post this. But with all due respect, I am a believer in the idea that you are what you read - and you are what you view. And viewing the full video would not be in my best interests, in my opinion, in the mindset that I am currently enjoying. Not to say he is not correct - it just doesn't resonate as being the most correct, or among the best correct ideas, personally, at present.

[onawah]

He admits to being transhumanist.
That is really all I need to know, to know that I will not be listening to anymore.

[O Donna]

He admits to being transhumanist.
That is really all I need to know, to know that I will not be listening to anymore.

Singularity forgives everyone for being anything (which, of course, includes transhumanism), ironically.

[Chester]

He admits to being transhumanist.
That is really all I need to know, to know that I will not be listening to anymore.

I have no doubt how you define the word, "transhumanism," is exactly what he has pointed out is the direction the soulless, mechanistic materialists are striving to take much of what they will allow to remain of humanity. He not only rails against that, he also points out "the alternative" we will all be given. That alternative is a regression to a feudal agrarian society dominated by "your religions."

What Jorjani suggests instead is that those who can and are willing, take responsibility at a personal level for who they become in light of the arguably irreversible direction technology is taking us. If no one here on this forum has the ability to see this and worse, cannot open their mind to it, then it is clear I have outgrown this forum.

[Chester]

In fact, I will be singing this song as I wave goodbye.

RoZ9D0lQt2Q

[O Donna]

Singularity does not chery-pick. I mean, really, what is it going to do? Pick itself?

Disagreement (either way)?

There goes singularity leaving the mundane to argue amongst themselves. Yawn.

hFzEA7ZAfZQ

Before singularity, cook dinner, wash laundry. After singularity, wash dishes, fold laundry.

[Open Minded Dude]

Or isn't that what is being sold to us as our only two options? Old salesman's trick - which of these two suggestions suits you better. Neither, for me.

The usual false dilemma situation we so often see in these kinds of worldview discussions. Only two sides available to choose from, nothing in between, nothing to the sides of them. All black and/or white.



I have no doubt how you define the word, "transhumanism," is exactly what he has pointed out is the direction the soulless, mechanistic materialists are striving to take much of what they will allow to remain of humanity. He not only rails against that, he also points out "the alternative" we will all be given. That alternative is a regression to a feudal agrarian society dominated by "your religions."

Again, seems a false dichotomy to me, too. How does he know that these are the only two options or paths for humanity? I would not be so sure about that.
Generally, it always feels manipulative to me if I am to 'choose' between a limited array of options given to me by s.o. else beforehand. It limits 'free' discussions from the outset.

[Jim_Duyer]

Or isn't that what is being sold to us as our only two options? Old salesman's trick - which of these two suggestions suits you better. Neither, for me.

The usual false dilemma situation we so often see in these kinds of worldview discussions. Only two sides available to choose from, nothing in between, nothing to the sides of them. All black and/or white.



I have no doubt how you define the word, "transhumanism," is exactly what he has pointed out is the direction the soulless, mechanistic materialists are striving to take much of what they will allow to remain of humanity. He not only rails against that, he also points out "the alternative" we will all be given. That alternative is a regression to a feudal agrarian society dominated by "your religions."

Again, seems a false dichotomy to me, too. How does he know that these are the only two options or paths for humanity? I would not be so sure about that.
Generally, it always feels manipulative to me if I am to 'choose' between a limited array of options given to me by s.o. else beforehand. It limits 'free' discussions from the outset.

Well said, thank you.

[Kryztian]

The following video is an interview of my friend, Jason Reza Jorjani. The information he shares, especially the message to those with ears to hear, is the most important info/messaging one can come upon in our world today.

ae_PGHxuKPM

Thank you, excellent interview. And thanks for bringing Jason Reza Jorjani to Project Avalon. He is an incredible thinker on numerous topics, and has tremendous knowledge of Gnosticism, Persian Religion, Ufology, Philosophy. I've watched many of Jeffrey Mishlove (https://www.youtube.com/c/NewThinkingAllowed)'s interviews with him.


He admits to being transhumanist.
That is really all I need to know, to know that I will not be listening to anymore.

He's not a transhumanist in the Ray Kurzweil sense, that he longs for transhumanism to come and wants to accelerate the coming of the singularity. Rather, he sees it as in inevitability, just as the coming Industrial Revolution was an inevitability by the end of the 18th century. The question is how do we manage this coming event? Do we let the elites of our planet create this world, or do humans find a way to maintain their sovereignty in this new reality? This is the question Jorjani is addressing.

[Chester]

The following video is an interview of my friend, Jason Reza Jorjani. The information he shares, especially the message to those with ears to hear, is the most important info/messaging one can come upon in our world today.

ae_PGHxuKPM

Thank you, excellent interview. And thanks for bringing Jason Reza Jorjani to Project Avalon. He is an incredible thinker on numerous topics, and has tremendous knowledge of Gnosticism, Persian Religion, Ufology, Philosophy. I've watched many of Jeffrey Mishlove (https://www.youtube.com/c/NewThinkingAllowed)'s interviews with him.


He admits to being transhumanist.
That is really all I need to know, to know that I will not be listening to anymore.

He's not a transhumanist in the Ray Kurzweil sense, that he longs for transhumanism to come and wants to accelerate the coming of the singularity. Rather, he sees it as in inevitability, just as the coming Industrial Revolution was an inevitability by the end of the 18th century. The question is how do we manage this coming event? Do we let the elites of our planet create this world, or do humans find a way to maintain their sovereignty in this new reality? This is the question Jorjani is addressing.

I had almost given up on this forum and actually only discovered this post by coming here to ask that I be retired [as long as my membership rights be retained]. It is a great relief to find another member here who understands Jason's work (and message in regard to the impending technological singularity) - especially that it is @Kryztian - a contributing member for as long as I've been here, thus I hold some hope that open minded, positive discussion might still be possible here.

Jason has recently released the first of what is to become a series of bi-monthly releases called INCENDIARY IDEAS.

Prometheist Metaphilosophy

l7YgzYXB4ys

[Satori]

JRJ’s thinking is very deep and nuanced. I think one can be forgiven for not fully grasping the spirit and intent of his message, especially on the initial introduction to him.

I’m generally favorably impressed with him, but as I do with anyone, I would need to dive deeper into the man and his material before I draw any final conclusions.

[Chester]

JRJ’s thinking is very deep and nuanced. I think one can be forgiven for not fully grasping the spirit and intent of his message, especially on the initial introduction to him.

I’m generally favorably impressed with him, but as I do with anyone, I would need to dive deeper into the man and his material before I draw any final conclusions.

Yes, to your first point, Satori. In addition, Jorjani truly suffers no fools (and I have felt the brunt of that many times).

And to your second point, I also agree 100%. That's why I have done my homework. I am retired and I have spent the last 11 months deep diving into all his written works - 9 books. I have also watched, some twice, even some three or more times all of his interviews/discussions. But I went even further... I developed a relationship with him which led to him visiting me here in Dallas, in my home, for six days.

https://twitter.com/ChesterHunter67/status/1539375471691026433

Note he is first and foremost, a philosopher. A true, genuine philosopher.

I asked him to write me a list of 20 philosophy books I should read (in the right order) and he sat down and drew up a list of exactly 20 right out of his head and the only error was he had to correct the order of the last two.

49432

[Kryztian]

I had almost given up on this forum and actually only discovered this post by coming here to ask that I be retired [as long as my membership rights be retained].

WOW! I am incredibly glad that I wrote the post that got you back posting here and I hope you will continue to stay. We may not get the quantity of posts from you that we do get from other members, but we do get QUALITY, and I always enjoy hearing the thoughtful things you have to say. You are a tremendous asset to the forum.

The truth is, I originally read you post, thought it was great, clicked "Thanks", but I didn't really have anything of substance to say, and thought my place was to be a "Thanks" clicking spectator. But I, naively, like you, thought your thoughtful post would generate interesting discussion, whether that be in agreement or intelligent disagreement. Unfortunately, we have members who have a need to deprecate the entire complex body of work of someone, without actually making an effort to actually look into it, and reduce it into one adjective, so they can poop on and then do a victory dance. Such is the fate of many threads here, and in my own case, it has made me think of leaving the forum too. So, seeing what happened to your thoughtful thread because of the anti-intellectual behavior of others (who are often thoughtful on other posts) I felt I had to say something encouraging. Wish I could have done better, but hey, you are still here, thank you Jesus!!!

Also, Chester, there are other people here who appreciate posts here (see Casey Clar and Vangelo's posts) so please do not get disheartened! :flower:


JRJ’s thinking is very deep and nuanced. I think one can be forgiven for not fully grasping the spirit and intent of his message, especially on the initial introduction to him.


Satori, you are a more forgiving, kinder person than myself. I certainly understand that his work is not at a level everyone can appreciate, but if that is the case, why do people need to condemn the serious thoughtful work that they don't understand? The philosopher Wittgenstein wasn't on Jorjani's list to Chester, but I quote the last sentence of his Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, not that I can say I am an authority on Wittgenstein, but this is pretty self evident:

The original quote, in German

Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen.

translated into English

What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence.

My own translation into Northern New Jersey-ese

If you don't know W.T.F. is going on then it's time to S.T.F.U.

[Harmony]

I had almost given up on this forum and actually only discovered this post by coming here to ask that I be retired [as long as my membership rights be retained].

WOW! I am incredibly glad that I wrote the post that got you back posting here and I hope you will continue to stay. We may not get the quantity of posts from you that we do get from other members, but we do get QUALITY, and I always enjoy hearing the thoughtful things you have to say. You are a tremendous asset to the forum.







The truth is, I originally read you post, thought it was great, clicked "Thanks", but I didn't really have anything of substance to say, and thought my place was to be a "Thanks" clicking spectator. But I, naively, like you, thought your thoughtful post would generate interesting discussion, whether that be in agreement or intelligent disagreement. Unfortunately, we have members who have a need to deprecate the entire complex body of work of someone, without actually making an effort to actually look into it, and reduce it into one adjective, so they can poop on and then do a victory dance. Such is the fate of many threads here, and in my own case, it has made me think of leaving the forum too. So, seeing what happened to your thoughtful thread because of the anti-intellectual behavior of others (who are often thoughtful on other posts) I felt I had to say something encouraging. Wish I could have done better, but hey, you are still here, thank you Jesus!!!

Also, Chester, there are other people here who appreciate posts here (see Casey Clar and Vangelo's posts) so please do not get disheartened! :flower:


JRJ’s thinking is very deep and nuanced. I think one can be forgiven for not fully grasping the spirit and intent of his message, especially on the initial introduction to him.


Satori, you are a more forgiving, kinder person than myself. I certainly understand that his work is not at a level everyone can appreciate, but if that is the case, why do people need to condemn the serious thoughtful work that they don't understand? The philosopher Wittgenstein wasn't on Jorjani's list to Chester, but I quote the last sentence of his Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, not that I can say I am an authority on Wittgenstein, but this is pretty self evident:

The original quote, in German

Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen.translated into English

What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence.My own translation into Northern New Jersey-ese

If you don't know W.T.F. is going on then it's time to S.T.F.U.


I realise it is easy to get discouraged sometimes, not knowing what others might be thinking or how they are reacting or responding, and readers can not use the "Thanks" button.


I am so glad many members have not left the forum or have returned after a break. There can be a member or two that seem to contribute a opinion that seems negative, and you won't hear from some members that really enjoyed the chance to hear something new.


I can assure you, from my own experience, and views many threads have gotten, even years later, posters have given much food for thought, helping others with new knowledge or hearing of real life eperiences. It's wonderful to open the mind, no matter what level you are on about a certain topic, and let the mind assimilate and gather ideas that may be stepping stones to growth, either towards or sometimes away from an idea in an evolutionary way. :heart:

[Chester]

INCENDIARY IDEAS 002 Being Bound for Freedom

-7IVciE_YKQ

[Chester]

Satori, you are a more forgiving, kinder person than myself. I certainly understand that his work is not at a level everyone can appreciate, but if that is the case, why do people need to condemn the serious thoughtful work that they don't understand? The philosopher Wittgenstein wasn't on Jorjani's list to Chester, but I quote the last sentence of his Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, not that I can say I am an authority on Wittgenstein, but this is pretty self evident:

The original quote, in German

Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen.

translated into English

What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence.

My own translation into Northern New Jersey-ese

If you don't know W.T.F. is going on then it's time to S.T.F.U.

If I had asked that the list be 30 or so books, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus likely would heave been on it. Jorjani engages with the thought of Wittgenstein in almost all of his seven academic works.

[Innocent Warrior]

Interesting thread. :cool:


He's not a transhumanist in the Ray Kurzweil sense, that he longs for transhumanism to come and wants to accelerate the coming of the singularity. Rather, he sees it as in inevitability, just as the coming Industrial Revolution was an inevitability by the end of the 18th century. The question is how do we manage this coming event? Do we let the elites of our planet create this world, or do humans find a way to maintain their sovereignty in this new reality? This is the question Jorjani is addressing.

Hi, Kryztian.

I doubt this would sway Onawah, she wouldn’t compromise on issues such as this (a characteristic of hers I admire).

I can’t get past what you seem to be assuming here, which is that reality is objective (correct me if I’m wrong re. assumption). An objective reality is a belief and not a fact based on science. This belief gives rise to a collective creating the same reality and that is the only reality the elitists can control, so it’s of critical importance that this assumption is addressed.

This sovereignty you write of is nonexistent, it doesn’t exist in a collective which believes in an objective reality that is controlled, so it’s not about maintaining sovereignty, it’s about retrieving it.

[Chester]

My view is that I am experiencing a programmable quantum computational information processing system. I enjoy the experience of exploring my wonderment. I try to speak only for myself. The excitement I have for exploration is, to me, the key to the life force. A force I honor (at least I still do today).

This experience involves engagement with a dynamic where there are others and we share worlds. I have found myself attracted most to the ideas shared by Zarathustra in The Gathas of Zarathustra and the interpretations of these ideas as developed by Jorjani. I suspect Jorjani will cover these ideas in a future INCENDIARY IDEAS release. When(if) this happens, I will engage with them as they are foundational to world view development. This is the area I hope discussions move towards - the ontology.

[Chester]

Some dismiss Ray Kurzweil's prognosis because he's a materialist. I am not a materialist yet I am able to consider his arguments that we are rapidly approaching the technological singularity as worthy of consideration. Parallel to Kurzweil's prediction we reach this point in two or so decades, Jorjani (who is no materialist and sees consciousness as a fundamental) predicts the year 2048 (give or take a few years) which so happens to match Kurzweil.

I came upon this article (http://barbarous-relic.blogspot.com/) this morning by another contemporary thinker that appears to agree with this time frame and provides a picture of what he predicts will be the fallout.

My personal takeaway is to continue to focus on the development of the integrity (character/ethos) of my being so that I might raise the odds I gain greater say in what scenarios I find myself facing in future lives and not just the end of this one.

For example - I won't be, to the best of my ability, "going towards the light" when my physical body dis-animates.

[araucaria]

Hi Chester! Thank you so much for this video, which I only got to see last night. I shall be offline for much of the time this week and just have time for one post in which I want to put forward a mechanism that, even as we speak, is bringing about the world government that is called for, I believe correctly, with total inevitability and total desirability.


First the time frame is right. Going back to the time of the Olympian gods: Robert Graves in The Greek Myths records how this is a period of patriarchy taking over from matriarchy. So we are looking for a mechanism to reverse that trend. Then the statement that we have never been freer than we are today: one indication that this is so would be Julian Jaynes’ theory of the Bicameral Mind, whereby up until post-Homeric times one heard in one’s head the gods speak and issue their orders. There was no free will at all: you did what you were told. So we are looking for a mechanism to further that trend towards greater freedom.


By chance, I have just been rereading Infinite Mind by Valerie V. Hunt, which looks into the body’s energy field, the mind field operating at all kinds of vibratory frequencies, which she would measure in the laboratory, corroborating on the spot what people capable of seeing the auric field were seeing in terms of colours and dynamics. She mentions the Schumann resonance frequency of 7.8 cycles per second as being that of the brain waves of mystics, as well as being the Earth’s resonance (my brief explanation: a standing wave travelling around the earth at light speed would complete 7.8 orbits per second, i.e. c/earth diameter = 300,000 kps / 40,000 km). Briefly, ‘lower vibrations exist with material reality, higher ones with mystical reality, and a full vibrational spectrum with expanded reality’.


All the above is a description of how things work. Dr Hunt explains that more and more people are seeking this expanded consciousness, but like others, is rather vaguer on how to get there. The clue I found in the healing effect of magnetic current, which she confirmed by recording the improved health of people going on cruises to Antarctica, ‘the only place where they felt totally healthy’. While the North Pole might also be powerful, ‘The South Pole has been called the “hot pole”, or the “female pole”, where energy flows up to the North Pole’. (p.78)
This may not necessarily be so. The male North Pole may have a contrary, possibly negative effect and may in fact have been the cause all this time of the patriarchal society of the heavily populated northern hemisphere. Certainly, the more peaceful peoples of the world tend to live further afield. So we are looking for a mechanism operating on the lines of a long stay near the South Pole.


Well, since Mahomet cannot go to the mountain, Antarctica being mostly off limits (I wonder why), the mountain might have to come to Mahomet. You see where I am going with this. A polar reversal would be the timely large-scale event which would achieve precisely that for the vast majority of humanity.


The sign that one such polar reversal is in fact imminent is of course the earth’s collapsing magnetic field as reported by the likes of Suspicious observer. When it reaches zero, the magnetic field becomes entangled, both areas of south migrating north and vice versa, until it settles into the new configuration. If the measurements and the theory are correct, then we should have evidence in the real world that this is so. However, this evidence is going to be contradictory in nature and difficult to interpret. Why? Because one mechanism is causing two opposite effects, namely the collapse of the patriarchy and the strengthening of the opposition to it. The patriarchs are fighting the collapse with ever more extreme measures, and meanwhile encountering ever greater resistance from the growing majority flexing their newly found muscles. But the outcome is not in any doubt because the driving force is the polar reversal itself, and, short of stopping that process, you can either ride that wave or batten down the hatches.



Translate this dynamic into real-world phenomena: the signals, as I indicated, are mixed. On the one hand increasing hardship for ordinary people is masking the overall easing of their spiritual lot. On the other, government becomes ever more high-handed, authoritarian and self-perpetuating, but also incompetent and ineffective. The UK is probably the clearest example of what is going on everywhere. For decades, just about every administration has been weaker, but also greedier, than the last, until we come to Johnson, still acting prime minister after resigning, a ‘hive of inactivity’ according to one official. Government has literally dissolved into next to nothing. All that remains is for his successor to help the millions in dire need either by cutting the taxes that they are too poor to pay anyway (Truss) or by not cutting them at all (Sunak). From gods and kings to Johnson and Biden, this sums up the weakening down the ages, while technology is the fire that could not be kept away from Prometheus.


While for many readers there is nothing particularly new in all the above, except for the connections made, it may help to clarify one or two aspects of the current situation.

[TomKat]

The following video is an interview of my friend, Jason Reza Jorjani. The information he shares, especially the message to those with ears to hear, is the most important info/messaging one can come upon in our world today.

ae_PGHxuKPM

Thank you, excellent interview. And thanks for bringing Jason Reza Jorjani to Project Avalon. He is an incredible thinker on numerous topics, and has tremendous knowledge of Gnosticism, Persian Religion, Ufology, Philosophy. I've watched many of Jeffrey Mishlove (https://www.youtube.com/c/NewThinkingAllowed)'s interviews with him.


He admits to being transhumanist.
That is really all I need to know, to know that I will not be listening to anymore.

He's not a transhumanist in the Ray Kurzweil sense, that he longs for transhumanism to come and wants to accelerate the coming of the singularity. Rather, he sees it as in inevitability, just as the coming Industrial Revolution was an inevitability by the end of the 18th century. The question is how do we manage this coming event? Do we let the elites of our planet create this world, or do humans find a way to maintain their sovereignty in this new reality? This is the question Jorjani is addressing.

I had almost given up on this forum and actually only discovered this post by coming here to ask that I be retired [as long as my membership rights be retained]. It is a great relief to find another member here who understands Jason's work (and message in regard to the impending technological singularity) - especially that it is @Kryztian - a contributing member for as long as I've been here, thus I hold some hope that open minded, positive discussion might still be possible here.

Jason has recently released the first of what is to become a series of bi-monthly releases called INCENDIARY IDEAS.

Prometheist Metaphilosophy

l7YgzYXB4ys

Would Prometheist be a euphemism for Luciferian? Decades ago Prometheus, who stole fire from God and had his liver pecked at by birds, was being used as another name for Lucifer.

[onawah]

It's gratifying to see someone (especially someone as learned as Araucaria) acknowledge the work of SuspiciousObservers and some of the consequences of the coming magnetic pole reversal, which we are in the early stages of now.
However, even though the manifestations of the reversal are becoming more obvious, most people (possibly even members of this forum) are probably still unfamiliar with the other notable consequences of the 12,000 year cycle.
One of which is the destruction of the electric grid, and that is an event which may occur well ahead of other tribulations the reversal causes such as increasing earthquakes, volcanos, severe weather, tsunamis, etc.
The kind of mayhem the grid's demise alone will cause on the planet's surface is nearly unimaginable.
Though perhaps in the DUMBS below ground all will be relatively well as the elite no doubt have created other sources of energy for themselves.
But even supposing those elites survive to create some kind of future government, it will take a very long time for the rest of the world to be restored to any kind of order (much less a high tech one) that will be governable.
Given that surface survivors will be struggling under conditions which (if things continue as they are now) most alive today would be incapable of coping with at all.
There is no guarantee the elites will survive, for that matter....
Even creating colonies on other planets in the solar system doesn't provide any guarantees, since the entire solar system is affected by the 12,000 year cycles.

The number of "Preppers" continues to grow thanks in part to the efforts of such as Ben Davidson of SuspiciousObservers, David DuByne of Adapt 2030, and Mike Adams of Natural News, but even so, considering the severity of the coming cataclysm, such efforts for many may be insufficient.
Taking up from where Cayce's predictions re earth changes left off
(see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&p=1442161&viewfull=1#post1442161)
... these videos from Ben Davidson, starting with where safe zones will be, give some idea as to why :
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And much more here: ihwoIlxHI3Q

The questions I pose here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92384-Weird-wild-weather-floods-freak-storms-giant-hail-record-lows-all-over-the-world&p=1511737&viewfull=1#post1511737
...could be ones that Araucaria might be interested in as well.


Hi Chester! Thank you so much for this video, which I only got to see last night. I shall be offline for much of the time this week and just have time for one post in which I want to put forward a mechanism that, even as we speak, is bringing about the world government that is called for, I believe correctly, with total inevitability and total desirability.


First the time frame is right. Going back to the time of the Olympian gods: Robert Graves in The Greek Myths records how this is a period of patriarchy taking over from matriarchy. So we are looking for a mechanism to reverse that trend. Then the statement that we have never been freer than we are today: one indication that this is so would be Julian Jaynes’ theory of the Bicameral Mind, whereby up until post-Homeric times one heard in one’s head the gods speak and issue their orders. There was no free will at all: you did what you were told. So we are looking for a mechanism to further that trend towards greater freedom.


By chance, I have just been rereading Infinite Mind by Valerie V. Hunt, which looks into the body’s energy field, the mind field operating at all kinds of vibratory frequencies, which she would measure in the laboratory, corroborating on the spot what people capable of seeing the auric field were seeing in terms of colours and dynamics. She mentions the Schumann resonance frequency of 7.8 cycles per second as being that of the brain waves of mystics, as well as being the Earth’s resonance (my brief explanation: a standing wave travelling around the earth at light speed would complete 7.8 orbits per second, i.e. c/earth diameter = 300,000 kps / 40,000 km). Briefly, ‘lower vibrations exist with material reality, higher ones with mystical reality, and a full vibrational spectrum with expanded reality’.


All the above is a description of how things work. Dr Hunt explains that more and more people are seeking this expanded consciousness, but like others, is rather vaguer on how to get there. The clue I found in the healing effect of magnetic current, which she confirmed by recording the improved health of people going on cruises to Antarctica, ‘the only place where they felt totally healthy’. While the North Pole might also be powerful, ‘The South Pole has been called the “hot pole”, or the “female pole”, where energy flows up to the North Pole’. (p.78)
This may not necessarily be so. The male North Pole may have a contrary, possibly negative effect and may in fact have been the cause all this time of the patriarchal society of the heavily populated northern hemisphere. Certainly, the more peaceful peoples of the world tend to live further afield. So we are looking for a mechanism operating on the lines of a long stay near the South Pole.


Well, since Mahomet cannot go to the mountain, Antarctica being mostly off limits (I wonder why), the mountain might have to come to Mahomet. You see where I am going with this. A polar reversal would be the timely large-scale event which would achieve precisely that for the vast majority of humanity.


The sign that one such polar reversal is in fact imminent is of course the earth’s collapsing magnetic field as reported by the likes of Suspicious observer. When it reaches zero, the magnetic field becomes entangled, both areas of south migrating north and vice versa, until it settles into the new configuration. If the measurements and the theory are correct, then we should have evidence in the real world that this is so. However, this evidence is going to be contradictory in nature and difficult to interpret. Why? Because one mechanism is causing two opposite effects, namely the collapse of the patriarchy and the strengthening of the opposition to it. The patriarchs are fighting the collapse with ever more extreme measures, and meanwhile encountering ever greater resistance from the growing majority flexing their newly found muscles. But the outcome is not in any doubt because the driving force is the polar reversal itself, and, short of stopping that process, you can either ride that wave or batten down the hatches.



Translate this dynamic into real-world phenomena: the signals, as I indicated, are mixed. On the one hand increasing hardship for ordinary people is masking the overall easing of their spiritual lot. On the other, government becomes ever more high-handed, authoritarian and self-perpetuating, but also incompetent and ineffective. The UK is probably the clearest example of what is going on everywhere. For decades, just about every administration has been weaker, but also greedier, than the last, until we come to Johnson, still acting prime minister after resigning, a ‘hive of inactivity’ according to one official. Government has literally dissolved into next to nothing. All that remains is for his successor to help the millions in dire need either by cutting the taxes that they are too poor to pay anyway (Truss) or by not cutting them at all (Sunak). From gods and kings to Johnson and Biden, this sums up the weakening down the ages, while technology is the fire that could not be kept away from Prometheus.


While for many readers there is nothing particularly new in all the above, except for the connections made, it may help to clarify one or two aspects of the current situation.

[Delight]

I know you can't believe anything from MSM or even from alt media but from what I observe of the Western collective media offerings, people SEEM to be unable to mentally process.

Being unable to mentally process MAY be something related to the collapse of the magnetosphere, the pollutants, the medications etc.? Where does this intrinsic PROBLEM lead?

I think it leads to the end of the species. The "solution" given by the tech transhuman faction is to just insert a "better" mind into the bodies of the incapacitated.

I just heard about a dancer canceled by her fellow dancers and the dance company ITSELF over some remarks she made at her own dinner party. I recall that Jason Jorjani was canceled. Almost EVERY thinking influencer IS BEING CANCELED.

Unfortunately, people even threaten to cancel one another on forums.

IMO there IS a mind parasite force at play which wants to destroy the host.

[onawah]

The Sun cycles definitely affect human brains and behavior.
Which is obvious given how much people are affected by the full Moon.
Since of course, the energy from the Sun is much more powerful than the Moon.

See: zV2cezWAcWs
(Also posted here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&p=1511794&viewfull=1#post1511794 )

Evolution occurs naturally through all the cycles of ups and downs that humanity undergoes, though individual evolution can diverge from the norms.
Gigi Young, in the tradition of the Theosophists, covers that subject in detail and I agree with her that real human evolution doesn't occur through technological "short cuts" (such as via transhumanism).
(In fact, I think it causes devolution, though not in the way that Trump fans define it :lol: )
Times of materialism and disconnection from Nature don't generally foster human evolution into the higher dimensions.
See Gigi's Mars Mysteries playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyzQIzu2q4o&list=PLpGFUcLNHueZDw1Ch9_eaEo0mNqoq6unr
Obviously, there have been human survivors of the 12,000 year cycles, but I think the survivors did so at least as much because of their connection with Nature as with technology.
Of course, the planet may also have been re-seeded by ETs after conditions were restored to a more normal state, but it's probably been a combination of both.
(And then you have to consider whether evolution is really what the cosmos has in mind, or is it really just all the never-ending play of Maya?)


I know you can't believe anything from MSM or even from alt media but from what I observe of the Western collective media offerings, people SEEM to be unable to mentally process.

Being unable to mentally process MAY be something related to the collapse of the magnetosphere, the pollutants, the medications etc.? Where does this intrinsic PROBLEM lead?

I think it leads to the end of the species. The "solution" given by the tech transhuman faction is to just insert a "better" mind into the bodies of the incapacitated.

I just heard about a dancer canceled by her fellow dancers and the dance company ITSELF over some remarks she made at her own dinner party. I recall that Jason Jorjani was canceled. Almost EVERY thinking influencer IS BEING CANCELED.

Unfortunately, people even threaten to cancel one another on forums.

IMO there IS a mind parasite force at play which wants to destroy the host.

[Kryztian]

Hi Rachel:

Good to see you back here on Avalon. We haven't heard enough from you lately and this forum is a better place because of your posts!



I can’t get past what you seem to be assuming here, which is that reality is objective (correct me if I’m wrong re. assumption).

Call me a "post modernists" but I think we all have multiple and conflicting belief systems about reality. I think anyone who picks up a tooth brush before going to bed at night does so because they believe in a objective reality: they believe in the reality of the tooth brush, of their own teeth, of the reality of the process of dental decay, and of the nerve pain that it causes. However, pain, is a subjective reality, but one that will convince almost everyone of an objective reality of toothbrushes.

I have also lived, loved and lost, and that has also convinced me of a a greater reality beyond the reality of the plastic toothbrush lying in my bathroom. Never the less, I am still going to brush my teeth.

So, I think there are multiple perspectives we need to look at reality.

Also, I think sovereignty is something that is never absolute or completely void - it exists to different degrees whether you live in North Korea or Sweden, in a city or the wilderness, in a state of perfect health or if you are bedridden inside of a prison. And of course your attitude has a lot to do with it too.


she wouldn’t compromise on issues such as this (a characteristic of hers I admire).

I find it admirable that people can change there mind on issues. I think some of the best ideas come from people who allowed there minds to be changed, who were open to new information, who were willing to re-examine their long held assumption. I also find it admirable when people decide they don't have enough information and decide not to have an opinion.

[Innocent Warrior]

Hi, Kryztian!

There’s a fair bit to go into to reply with the care and detail you and the topic deserves but I have fallen ill and it would likely take this thread too far off topic, so I just wanted to send this brief post to thank you for your reply.

:yo:


Hi Rachel:

Good to see you back here on Avalon. We haven't heard enough from you lately and this forum is a better place because of your posts!



I can’t get past what you seem to be assuming here, which is that reality is objective (correct me if I’m wrong re. assumption).

Call me a "post modernists" but I think we all have multiple and conflicting belief systems about reality. I think anyone who picks up a tooth brush before going to bed at night does so because they believe in a objective reality: they believe in the reality of the tooth brush, of their own teeth, of the reality of the process of dental decay, and of the nerve pain that it causes. However, pain, is a subjective reality, but one that will convince almost everyone of an objective reality of toothbrushes.

I have also lived, loved and lost, and that has also convinced me of a a greater reality beyond the reality of the plastic toothbrush lying in my bathroom. Never the less, I am still going to brush my teeth.

So, I think there are multiple perspectives we need to look at reality.

Also, I think sovereignty is something that is never absolute or completely void - it exists to different degrees whether you live in North Korea or Sweden, in a city or the wilderness, in a state of perfect health or if you are bedridden inside of a prison. And of course your attitude has a lot to do with it too.


she wouldn’t compromise on issues such as this (a characteristic of hers I admire).

I find it admirable that people can change there mind on issues. I think some of the best ideas come from people who allowed there minds to be changed, who were open to new information, who were willing to re-examine their long held assumption. I also find it admirable when people decide they don't have enough information and decide not to have an opinion.

[Kryztian]

Hi, Kryztian!

There’s a fair bit to go into to reply with the care and detail you and the topic deserves but I have fallen ill and it would likely take this thread too far off topic, so I just wanted to send this brief post to thank you for your reply.

:yo:



Hope you get back to health soon and looking forward to having you back here soon!

:focus:

[Chester]

The following video is an interview of my friend, Jason Reza Jorjani. The information he shares, especially the message to those with ears to hear, is the most important info/messaging one can come upon in our world today.

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Thank you, excellent interview. And thanks for bringing Jason Reza Jorjani to Project Avalon. He is an incredible thinker on numerous topics, and has tremendous knowledge of Gnosticism, Persian Religion, Ufology, Philosophy. I've watched many of Jeffrey Mishlove (https://www.youtube.com/c/NewThinkingAllowed)'s interviews with him.


He admits to being transhumanist.
That is really all I need to know, to know that I will not be listening to anymore.

He's not a transhumanist in the Ray Kurzweil sense, that he longs for transhumanism to come and wants to accelerate the coming of the singularity. Rather, he sees it as in inevitability, just as the coming Industrial Revolution was an inevitability by the end of the 18th century. The question is how do we manage this coming event? Do we let the elites of our planet create this world, or do humans find a way to maintain their sovereignty in this new reality? This is the question Jorjani is addressing.

I had almost given up on this forum and actually only discovered this post by coming here to ask that I be retired [as long as my membership rights be retained]. It is a great relief to find another member here who understands Jason's work (and message in regard to the impending technological singularity) - especially that it is @Kryztian - a contributing member for as long as I've been here, thus I hold some hope that open minded, positive discussion might still be possible here.

Jason has recently released the first of what is to become a series of bi-monthly releases called INCENDIARY IDEAS.

Prometheist Metaphilosophy

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Would Prometheist be a euphemism for Luciferian? Decades ago Prometheus, who stole fire from God and had his liver pecked at by birds, was being used as another name for Lucifer.

The only way I feel comfortable in responding to this is to recommend you read PROMETHEUS AND ATLAS and PROMETHEISM to gain an understanding of the movement Jorjani put together which he calls Prometheism.

From some of my notes -

Prometheism –

Why Prometheus (characteristics)


the idea of forethought – visionary futurism

creation (as in Dr. Frankenstein) Prometheus is the creator of humanity
he steals “the fire” (from Olympus) – the power of invention, innovation and craft – and he gives it to humanity

the rebel… rebelled against his fellow Titans and put Zeus to power only to then rebel against Zeus who proved to be as bad as Cronos before him. But he did this on behalf of humanity and to put humanity in charge of humanity.

a trickster

and for loving humanity too much he is martyred. He’s the original sacrifice or martyred “god” … way before “Christ” ever was. Prometheus sacrificed himself for his children, humanity.


Perhaps you may notice in the above one or more characteristics you have come to see held by Lucifer as well. In my mythological interpretation, Lucifer is 'The Light Bearer' and thus I see a correspondence there to the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

[onawah]

I would recommend that you watch the videos I posted from Ben Davidson of SuspiciousObservers, which imho pretty much make every other discussion pale in comparison.



The only way I feel comfortable in responding to this is to recommend you read PROMETHEUS AND ATLAS and PROMETHEISM to gain an understanding of the movement Jorjani put together which he calls Prometheism.

[Chester]

I find it admirable that people can change there mind on issues. I think some of the best ideas come from people who allowed there minds to be changed, who were open to new information, who were willing to re-examine their long held assumption. I also find it admirable when people decide they don't have enough information and decide not to have an opinion.

This particular paragraph is, to me, pure wisdom.

It seems to me that when one becomes nimble all the way down to the level of their current operation metaphysical world view, they have become fully open to unimaginable wonderment.

I get Rachel's view that all is subjective. I also get that it is hard to escape the objectivity of that heavy rock I just dropped on my barefoot toe, as well as the pain. I move through these views like a spectrum these days.

[Chester]

I would recommend that you watch the videos I posted from Ben Davidson of SuspiciousObservers, which imho pretty much make every other discussion pal in comparison.



The only way I feel comfortable in responding to this is to recommend you read PROMETHEUS AND ATLAS and PROMETHEISM to gain an understanding of the movement Jorjani put together which he calls Prometheism.


I am aware of his work. I'm not a prepper.

I have lived through hells in this single life (no doubt many in lives before... like on Atlantis when Zeus flooded the world) and am fully ready for my physical body to be obliterated by the impending best apocalypse ever.

What concerns me the most is this - When the end of this life comes will I have solidified the consistency of character of my being such that I can evade the light trap(s) and determine, for myself, the future journey of my soul and the future lives it shall experience?

[Chester]

I know you can't believe anything from MSM or even from alt media but from what I observe of the Western collective media offerings, people SEEM to be unable to mentally process.

Being unable to mentally process MAY be something related to the collapse of the magnetosphere, the pollutants, the medications etc.? Where does this intrinsic PROBLEM lead?

I think it leads to the end of the species. The "solution" given by the tech transhuman faction is to just insert a "better" mind into the bodies of the incapacitated.

I just heard about a dancer canceled by her fellow dancers and the dance company ITSELF over some remarks she made at her own dinner party. I recall that Jason Jorjani was canceled. Almost EVERY thinking influencer IS BEING CANCELED.

Unfortunately, people even threaten to cancel one another on forums.

IMO there IS a mind parasite force at play which wants to destroy the host.

Brilliant observation... I almost left over this. We'll see how it goes.

[onawah]

One doesn't need to be a prepper to understand the significance of the work of scientists, mystics and prophets who are and have long been warning us of the coming catastrophic end of this era.
Philosophically and spiritually, it's an enormous wakeup call leading to a deep realization of the ephemeral nature of human life.
Especially considering that it has happened before and doubtless is happening again now just at a time when the most ego driven are once again imagining they are ushering in an age wherein they will become masters of all they see, controllers of genetics and evolution itself, and that there will be no karmic penalty for their hubris.

[Chester]

One doesn't need to be a prepper to understand the significance of the work of scientists, mystics and prophets who are and have long been warning us of the coming catastrophic end of this era.

The point I made is not to refute the work of scientists, mystics and prophets. The point I made was not to fear it and instead respond to the challenge. If one feels the need to "prep" so as to survive a possible coming cataclysm, they are free so to do. I only shared how I am reacting to this possibility.

If a reader is intimidated by my sharing as to how I am responding, then that may be a glimpse into their own self-doubt. Usually the least secure are the loudest at pushing the way they believe others should see things. My motivation is that I believe in Prometheism and dangle it in case another or two might be attracted to investigate further and with an open mind.



Philosophically and spiritually, it's an enormous wakeup call leading to a deep realization of the ephemeral nature of human life.


You state this as if "life" only exists at the physical level of a single lifetime. Or, if I assume incorrectly, it is the only aspect of being that really matters (deep realization of the ephemeral nature of life).

I'm OK that we have different world views, perhaps different metaphysical views. What I am most attracted to these days is well articulated in this recent interview of Jorjani in relation to Zarathustra and the philosophical implications of his life and work.

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Especially considering that it has happened before and doubtless is happening again now just at a time when the most ego driven are once again imagining they are ushering in an age wherein they will become masters of all they see, controllers of genetics and evolution itself, and that there will be no karmic penalty for their hubris.

The way you wield the word 'Karma' suggests some objectively situated "cosmic justice." What if "justice" (right order as spoken about in the above video) is not some "set in stone" objective, fixed ideal. What if some have a different view of justice than what others might have? The best will win out for those who hold the Heraclitian world view where strife is fundamental and without this fundamental tension, creativity disappears.

I have come to agree with Jorjani that techne ("craft") precedes 'science' and that competing scientific paradigms should be embraced for the way forward. I also agree that techne is an archetype that has emerged as an egregore. Putting that genie back in the bottle will only ensure "It" determines our future instead of "us" (or the few of us who take responsibility). We aren't going to stop civilizations like China from advancing via use of these emerging technologies like embryo selection, GRIN technologies, biotechnologies, robotics, virtual reality and AI, but we make sure that China becomes the world hegemonic by holding back our civilizational ethos with with subconsciously driven "moralistic gatekeepers" driven by our collective buy-ins to enslaving 'revealed' religions like those derived from the Abrahamic cults or those such as Hinduism and all but the most tantric branches of Buddhism.

I don't "do" the belief in evil anymore. That doesn't mean that I am unconcerned with how the world emerges where a handful of technocrats in alignment with the right governmental structure (again, China's model looks like their favorite) accomplish the bifurcation of known terrestrial humanity (most think are the only advanced form of "human" involved with Earth and near-Earth activity) setting themselves up as gods while reducing the rest of us (who survive) to a feudal agrarian society that supports these new "gods."

This is where the predominant attitudes of the West play right into this likely future. Ohhh, and note, Islam has the best bet to be the dominant religion of the west (where most either convert to or are killed off) and that will set up a wonderful final battle for China to emerge on top BUT, only to hand us all over to "The Visitors" who will be presented as "our savior space sisters/brothers" where no one left alive will recognize these saviors as nothing but a breakaway "human" civilization that has achieved 5D technology (time-travel) and have been in the picture for millions of years in our current timeline. But I just got ahead of myself.

[onawah]

Not intimidated at all, just would really like to get the word out as much as possible (while I still can) about the coming earth changes, which actually make a lot of concerns that most people are preoccupied with a lot less relevant, at least in the immediate future.
For that reason, I've been risking seeming strident or unreasonably opinionated and repetitive.

But I've ceased to worry myself much anymore about what's coming in the short term, because it's very hard to predict at this point what's going to survive the changes, and much of what the elites are planning simply will no longer be possible.

So in that sense, some of the consequences of the geomagnetic pole reversal are actually cause for celebration if you take the long view and once you get through the process of shock, anger, denial, acceptance, etc.
That eventuality is not really just a matter of belief any longer, as scientists have been confirming the research more and more even just in the last few months, and it doesn't take a whole lot of time to research this thread that Herve started to see that:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&highlight=geomagnetic+reversal
Or this one: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92384-Weird-wild-weather-floods-freak-storms-giant-hail-record-lows-all-over-the-world
...Since the earth changes are already manifesting, with the increase of volcanic activity, earhtquakes, flooding, drought etc.

And clearly there will be such a huge naturally caused population reduction that not many of the people curently on the planet will be reincarnating here again anytime soon.
It may seem like the elites jumped the gun with their own population reduction agendas, but I think they may have known for a long time what was coming, kept it secret, but decided to expedite things with their own agendas in order to reduce the amount of chaos that will ensue (thus, to their thinking, better ensuring their own survival).

I have a theory that what Trump famously refused to disclose (assuring Judge Neopolitano that if he knew the truth, he wouldn't disclose it either) may well have had to do with the earth changes.
There have been credible reports that ETs have warned the governments of nations they've contacted of the consequences of their destructive practices, and it's certain they would also know of and therefore probably disclose info about the 12,000 year solar cycles.
So I think the elites knew about that well before scientists knew with any certainty --or at least, the scientists who have been allowed to disclose their findings.
True to form, the elites are allowing that to leak out now in increments, but of course, most people aren't paying much attention due to all the distractions they are being bombarded with.

As to spiritual and philosophical beliefs, I think the likes of Edgar Cayce, Rudolf Steiner and the Theosophists have always had a pretty clear picture of karma, reincarnation and human evolution.
After all, they were pretty much the first to introduce those concepts to the West...
Steiner who died in 1925 was astute enough to predict the coming of the inoculations which would cut people off from their connection to Spirit. See: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114646-Rudolf-Steiner-s-prediction-re-vaccine-to-disconnect-humans-from-Spirit&p=1422436&viewfull=1#post1422436

Theosophists refer to Satan as Ahriman, and have given a number of predictions regarding the coming demise and then the re-emergence of Ahriman in a thousand years, similar to the prophecy in the Book of Revelations.
Lots of dots to connect there, and Dark Journalist https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102135-Dark-Journalist-Joseph-Farrell-UFO-X-Factor-Black-Budget-Secret-Space-Network
...and Gigi Young https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113646-Gigi-Young-Talks&highlight=gigi+young
...have been doing a great job of that and of filling in the gaps, for quite some time now.



One doesn't need to be a prepper to understand the significance of the work of scientists, mystics and prophets who are and have long been warning us of the coming catastrophic end of this era.

If a reader is intimidated by my sharing as to how I am responding, then that may be a glimpse into their own self-doubt. Usually the least secure are the loudest at pushing the way they believe others should see things. My motivation is that I believe in Prometheism and dangle it in case another or two might be attracted to investigate further and with an open mind.

[onawah]

The difference in the philosophies seem to lie in seeing human evolution as on a kind of one-way trajectory, unhindered by conditions that are regularly imposed by Nature.
As opposed to the natural, universal cycles which have been experienced and recorded for eons in the Akashic Records, in legends and histories passed down through eons.
Such as that cycle the Theosophists describe in which humanity starts out in a state of higher dimensional, non-physical being, then devolves into deeper and deeper states of physicality and materialism, and then begin ascension again into the higher dimensional, more spiritual states where physical bodies are transcended.
Lemurians are said to have begun incarnating here as non-material beings, then gradually became more and more physical.
Their civilization is said to have contained the seeds for the beginning of the Atlantean civilization, and the Atlanteans were also highly spiritual but gradually devolved as their obsession with genetic tampering and technology became more and more dangerous, resulting in their own demise.
I see the present cycle we are in as a repetition on that same theme, which this time will end with the 12,000 year solar cycle, though that process will certainly be assisted by our own destructiveness, as well.
But hopefully lessons will have been learned by the survivors and the new cycle will begin, not with a return to Stone Age conditions, but with enough knowledge, skill and basic means of surviving so humanity can realistically make a good, new beginning.
This time with a better appreciation of the importance of our connection with Nature, of the preciousness of Gaia and our responsibilty to preserve her, not exploit her, and the ability and determination to make the climb back up into the cycles of Light.
I doubt very much that nanotech and genetic engineering and AI based tech are going to play much part in that, if any.
The first challenge after the cataclysm will be simply surviving the mini Ice Age.
The fact that the electric grid is likely due to go down permanently planet-wide relatively soon and before the serious cataclysms begin, makes the survival of much if any high technology doubtful, even if the elites have managed to use the new zero point tech to their own advantage in their DUMBS and space missions.
The likelihood of their sharing that tech before conditions become dire looks small. (just consider what they did to Tesla!)
See from 32 to 49 minutes in this latest from Dark Journalist:
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...Though they may allow some zero point tech to be leaked out incrementally to assuage their conscience.
It's hard to predict, but seems unlikely even they will have the wherewithall to continue using and replicating such tech themselves for long though, once the cataclysms are completed.
That would necessitate factories and laboratories and transportation and all sorts of resources that simply will be not be handy anymore.
And there's no guarantee those DUMBs will survive the changes, whatever the elite may hope...
The likeliest scenario will be one of back to the basics, but that also depends a lot on how many people other than the elites are prepared for the coming, inevitable hardships.
Thus the urgency for those capable of making that leap not to be distracted by fanciful and unlikely scenarios...

As for individual freedom, I don't think for a minute that all are doomed to endless repetitions of these cycles.
Individual souls free themselves at their own individual pace, though it's more likely that more souls will free themselves during the ascending cycles than during the descending cycles, and from there evolve into states that do not include the descents back into physicality and materialism, but remain in higher states of consciousness and ascend from there.
While others will make poor choices and have to repeat the cycles for a longer time before they are eventually able to progress.

It's interesting that Jorjani predicts that the Singularity will be attained in 20 years, which is about the same timeframe that Ben Davidson and others in the know are predicting the mini-nova killshot from the Sun will occur and the cataclysms will have occurred.
My feeling after connectng many dots over the years is that the 12,000 year cycles are Nature's way of preventing that from happening, and in my opinion, it's necessary at this time to keep the planet from being completely destroyed, since humankind collectively is not evolved enough to be entrusted with such power.
...And since AI itself may be untrustworthy by it's very nature, especially in the hands of those who are not spiritually evolved enough to wield it.

It would be great if Jorjani's ideas could materialize about the group of capable individuals who would be able to bring the planet seamlessly into a new era, but I can't see the elite allowing that to happen, or that there will be time enough to change that scenario before the major earth changes.
In any case, even if he did succeed, unless they were properly positioned geographically and sufficiently prepared for the earth changes, they might not survive them.

I would recommend that Jorjani review Ben Davidson's work closely, starting with the latest entries first, and soon, because at the rate censorship is proceeding, he may be deplatformed from youtube before long, though hopefully he has kept a libary of his online work.

[Chester]

What is "physical" exactly? What if we exist across a spectrum of form? Is a less dense level of form "non-physical" or simply a different physical configuration than what some call "the material plane"?

One of Jojani's philosophical concepts directly confronts these questions - it is called, The Spectral Revolution.

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[Chester]

The difference in the philsophies seem to lie in seeing human evolution as on a kind of one-way trajectory, unhindered by conditions that are regularly imposed by Nature.
As opposed to the natural, universal cycles which have been experienced and recorded for eons in the Akashic Records, in legends and histories passed down through eons.
Such as that cycle the Theosophists describe in which humanity starts out in a state of higher dimensional, non-physical being, then devolves into deeper and deeper states of physicality and materialism, and then begin ascension again into the higher dimensional, more spiritual states where physical bodies are transcended.
Lemurians are said to have begun incarnating here as non-material beings, then gradually became more and more physical.
Their civilization is said to have contained the seeds for the beginning of the Atlantean civilization, and the Atlanteans were also highly spiritual but gradually devolved as their obsession with genetic tampering and technology became more and more dangerous, resulting in their own demise.
I see the present cycle we are in as a repetition on that same theme, which this time will end with the 12,000 year solar cycle, though that process will certainly be assisted by our own destructiveness, as well.
But hopefully lessons will have been learned by the survivors and the new cycle will begin, not with a return to Stone Age conditions, but with enough knowledge, skill and basic means of surviving so humanity can realistically make a good, new beginning.
This time with a better appreciation of the importance of our connection with Nature, of the preciousness of Gaia and our responsibilty to preserve her, not exploit her, and the ability and determination to make the climb back up into the cycles of Light.
I doubt very much that nanotech and genetic engineering and AI based tech are going to play much part in that, if any.
The first challenge after the cataclysm will be simply surviving the mini Ice Age.
The fact that the electric grid is likely due to go down permanently planet-wide relatively soon and before the serious cataclysms begin, makes the survival of much if any high technology doubtful, even if the elites have managed to use the new zero point tech to their own advantage in their DUMBS and space missions.
The likelihood of their sharing that tech before conditions become dire looks small. (just consider what they did to Tesla!)
See from 32 to 49 minutes in this latest from Dark Journalist:
yA_XQBTeJwo

...Though they may allow some zero point tech to be leaked out incrementally to assuage their conscience.
It's hard to predict, but seems unlikely even they will have the wherewithall to continue using and replicating such tech themselves for long though, once the cataclysms are completed.
That would necessitate factories and laboratories and transportation and all sorts of resources that simply will be not be handy anymore.
And there's no guarantee those DUMBs will survive the changes, whatever the elite may hope...
The likeliest scenario will be one of back to the basics, but that also depends a lot on how many people other than the elites are prepared for the coming, inevitable hardships.
Thus the urgency for those capable of making that leap not to be distracted by fanciful and unlikely scenarios...

As for individual freedom, I don't think for a minute that all are doomed to endless repetitions of these cycles.
Individual souls free themselves at their own individual pace, though it's more likely that more souls will free themselves during the ascending cycles than during the descending cycles, and from there evolve into states that do not include the descents back into physicality and materialism, but remain in higher states of consciousness and ascend from there.
While others will make poor choices and have to repeat the cycles for a longer time before they are eventually able to progress.

It's interesting that Jorjani predicts that the Singularity will be attained in 20 years, which is about the same timeframe that Ben Davidson and others in the know are predicting the mini-nova killshot from the Sun will occur and the cataclysms will have occurred.
My feeling after connectng many dots over the years is that the 12,000 year cycles are Nature's way of preventing that from happening, and in my opinion, it's necessary at this time to keep the planet from being completely destroyed, since humankind collectively is not evolved enough to be entrusted with such power.
...And since AI itself may be untrustworthy by it's very nature, especially in the hands of those who are not spiritually evolved enough to wield it.

It would be great if Jorjani's ideas could materialize about the group of capable individuals who would be able to bring the planet seamlessly into a new era, but I can't see the elite allowing that to happen, or that there will be time enough to change that scenario before the major earth changes.
In any case, even if he did succeed, unless they were properly positioned geographically and sufficiently prepared for the earth changes, they might not survive them.

I would recommend that Jorjani review Ben Davidson's work closely, starting with the latest entries first, and soon, because at the rate censorship is proceeding, he may be deplatformed from youtube before long, though hopefully he has kept a libary of his online work.

Jorjani predicts around 2050 (if he were pinned down for an exact year, he would say 2048).

But also, some of my friends retired from the intelligence game are concerned about 2026.

I only want to go on the record that I have a much different memory regarding Atlantis and what went on that resulted in the inundation. I also have not come across Theosophical materials that suggest cycles... only the descent and then ascent as an optional path. And then we have Bodhisattvas who choose to return again and again (choosing NOT to enter nirvana and the resultant self-annihilation). I have no interest in nirvana or any plane above.

In addition, nature has no laws in my opinion. Nature certainly isn't some objective superior aspect of reality, IMO.

[onawah]

What does Jorjani predict for 2048? (I'm assuming you are referring to the Singularity.)
Theosophy was originally based on Vedanta and Hindu cosmology, which is all about cycles.
Bodhisattvas can reportedly operate from higher dimensions without permanently taking on material bodies; in other words, they can materialize or dematerialize at will.
Physicists would certainly disagree that Nature has no laws.
Solar cycles of our star as well as distant stars would not be predictable or comprehensible otherwise, not to mention the behavior of atoms.
Atlantis and its colonies reportedly existed for a very long time and went through many stages, but there was more than just the one cataclysmic event that brought about it's eventual demise, some manmade, some natural.




Jorjani predicts around 2050 (if he were pinned down for an exact year, he would say 2048).
I also have not come across Theosophical materials that suggest cycles... only the descent and then ascent as an optional path. And then we have Bodhisattvas who choose to return again and again
In addition, nature has no laws in my opinion. Nature certainly isn't some objective superior aspect of reality, IMO.
I only want to go on the record that I have a much different memory regarding Atlantis and what went on that resulted in the inundation.

[onawah]

The discussion in the video posted here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119173-Discussing-UFOs-With...&p=1513612&viewfull=1#post1513612
...touches on some of the same subjects being discussed in this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5hLm4oGpyw
Also this one: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119173-Discussing-UFOs-With...&p=1513697&viewfull=1#post1513697

[Innocent Warrior]

Hi again!

I’m on the mend, a proper reply…


Hi Rachel:

Good to see you back here on Avalon. We haven't heard enough from you lately and this forum is a better place because of your posts!

Thanks mate, I very much appreciate this.


… but I think we all have multiple and conflicting belief systems about reality

Most definitely. Resolving this conflict is a monolithic process of removing our delusions, it’s to be expected as a natural consequence of this.


I think anyone who picks up a tooth brush before going to bed at night does so because they believe in a objective reality: they believe in the reality of the tooth brush, of their own teeth, of the reality of the process of dental decay, and of the nerve pain that it causes. However, pain, is a subjective reality, but one that will convince almost everyone of an objective reality of toothbrushes.

I have also lived, loved and lost, and that has also convinced me of a a greater reality beyond the reality of the plastic toothbrush lying in my bathroom. Never the less, I am still going to brush my teeth.

So, I think there are multiple perspectives we need to look at reality.

Yes, it’s all real and for the purpose of continuing this post I think it’s most practical that I slightly adjust what I wrote in what you quoted (my sentiment remains). OK, so let’s replace “which is that reality is objective” with “which is that the world is an objective reality”. The world doesn’t exist independently of mind, so it’s not an objective reality, it only appears to be objective. Collectively observable, empirical scientific evidence of this exists, proving the materialists’ view of reality to be delusional.


Also, I think sovereignty is something that is never absolute or completely void - it exists to different degrees whether you live in North Korea or Sweden, in a city or the wilderness, in a state of perfect health or if you are bedridden inside of a prison. And of course your attitude has a lot to do with it too.

I agree, however, I’m talking about the material or physical level of a human being who has a false belief in an objective world that is under the control of an external influence, which means that effectively the sovereign creativity is handed over to the external influence.


I find it admirable that people can change there mind on issues. I think some of the best ideas come from people who allowed there minds to be changed, who were open to new information, who were willing to re-examine their long held assumption. I also find it admirable when people decide they don't have enough information and decide not to have an opinion.

I think it’s generous of you to find that quality admirable because a person who is unable to change their mind on issues seems insanely rigid to the degree that they are a detriment to their development to me, however, what I was referring to is about principles.

There’s a critical part of this discussion that’s absent, which is a thorough and accurate examination of what a human being is actually capable of. A transhuman is a human being who has enhanced abilities due to the application of some form of technology, right? As far as I’m aware there’s no collectively observable empirical evidence of the full extent of the abilities of human beings, so I’ll just say this; if you have assessed this about human beings and it hasn’t left you with an attitude like “no way am I ever giving this up”, then I’d suggest you haven’t observed the true extent of the abilities of the human being.

Once you’ve seen this you also see there’s no such thing as a tanshuman, instead there’s only human or posthuman, meaning what they call a transhuman is a being who was once a human and now effectively isn’t because the natural system, hence full potential, can no longer be developed and achieved.

These “elites” people refer to, what I generously refer to as elitists, are deluded, racist, eugenists who would never entertain the idea of becoming posthuman, posthumanism is for the slaves. I’m not talking about publicly known puppets like Gates or Schwab BTW, I’m talking about people the public will likely never hear of, who know very well the true abilities of a fully developed human being.

Take care, you epic beings.

Epic by Faith No More, released in 1990.

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[Losus4]

Any chance of a video summary? Cos "the most important video ever" sounds just a little bit click-baity, when a brief listen did not distinguish it from any other video.

[Rawhide68]

The Nazis had always planned for a way to escape if the war went wrong.

Scary as it is for me, they have taken over the USA, and they are the deep state now!

FYN
https://operationpaperclip.info/

[Chester]

The next installment of the INCENDIARY IDEAS series -

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[Chester]

The West (which is falling apart via a controlled demolition) is composed of nothing but empty ranters (and I have been one too). Meanwhile, the likely world hegimon (as well cautioned by Jason Jorjani in his books and interviews), China, doesn't give a **** about the silly moralistic protests of us cowardly "keyboard warriors" who type on and on so as to convince ourselves of our relevance.

http://thesaker.is/ten-years-of-chinese-research-and-development-2005-2015-the-decisive-decade-to-the-top/

We have no cultural ethos worthy of future generations. Despite this obvious state of the West, we just rant on and on, screaming to be heard, our morals are so superior and we have "God" and/or "The Universe" on our side.

As our souls disintegrate into self-annihilation.

[Chester]

For the one or two hear who find reason to listen/watch... here's a Jorjani interview released just a few days ago.

In it Jorjani covers the history and meaning of the greatest myth that few even care to consider - the myth of Prometheus.

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[Chester]

Just out today... A synthetic embryo with cells capable of forming a brain and a beating heart was developed by researchers at the University of Cambridge using mouse stem cells.

https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/09/06/researchers-form-synthetic-embryo-with-brain/

Just because we wanna rant against these types of biotechnological advances... none of that ranting stops them. The action to take is to find ways to generate enforceable global agreements on these technologies. If we don't, then transnationals that become breakaways and/or nations that have less or no scruples than the ranting moralist West will do as they wilt.

[Chester]

The main points Jorjani makes in his book WORLD STATE OF EMERGENCY can be understood in the following passages -

While the values of no one civilization, including Western civilization,
are universal, Huntington accepts that there are certain minimal
commonalities and overlaps between human communities and it is through
the exploration and expansion of these that over the very long run, humans
might gradually develop a universal civilization.* But we simply do not
have time for such a gradual development in the face of increasingly rapid
and convergent advancements in technology that threaten the extinction of
the human species and demand global decision making, based on a
universal value system or worldview.

The reverence for Wisdom, cultivation of the intellect and the
contemplation of cosmic order as the criterion of humanization, ferocious
truthfulness, aristocratic meritocracy and the unequivocal rejection of mob
rule, chivalry and charitable free spiritedness, joyousness and an ecstatic
self-overcoming of need and greed, industriousness and divinization of our
own creative potential, and at the same time a recognition that respect for
the Earth’s ecology is a precondition for bodily health, vitality, and spiritual
wholeness... [are the core values of a necessary united world society].

The Third World War may have begun as a
clash of civilizations, but its proper end or telos is the constitution of a...
...World Order based on these fundamental principles.

For example, only in a society
wherein the value of truthfulness is so deeply rooted will the inevitable total
loss of privacy be something that we can cope with. The emphasis on
industrious pursuit of progressive self-perfection will encourage the best
uses of neo-eugenic biotechnologies, while the values of chivalric
charitableness and respect for the free choice of the individual, will assure
that genetic engineering is accessible to all and is not abused in a way that
spawns a specialized slave race or a caste system reinforced by genetic
design.

We have about 30 years to bring such a world state into being.

*Samuel P. Huntington in The Clash of Civilizations

[Chester]

Important related to the times -

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[Kryztian]

I will need to give the one above a second listen. He throws so many ideas at you in such a short period of time. Nevertheless, it leaves one thinking at a deep level like the others.

[Mark]

The Third World War may have begun as a
clash of civilizations, but its proper end or telos is the constitution of a...
...World Order based on these fundamental principles.


I assume that this would be some kind of world order not run by the psychopaths who've ruined this one?

[Chester]

The Third World War may have begun as a
clash of civilizations, but its proper end or telos is the constitution of a...
...World Order based on these fundamental principles.


I assume that this would be some kind of world order not run by the psychopaths who've ruined this one?

100% correct... the idea there be much like a 'council of the wise' (ethics being a primary attribute of each member) as an alternative. Something to "counter" the transhumanist agenda as being furthered by folks like the WEF and embraced by nations intent upon world hegemony utilizing singularity level technologies to permanently control what remains of terrestrial humanity.

The problem Jorjani sees is that unless there's a global counter-force that shares a common ethos that is based on creativity, freedom and personal responsibility, there will be no political body that can stop these guys. I see all sorts of rantings and ravings about "globalization" and "trans-humanism" yet never any solutions that can realistically and successfully stop the agenda of the already well structured "globalists" ala the WEF, Davos, and technocrat billionaire alliance (to name some of the main players) that control the western world's governments and has significant influence over China and other non-western nations.

I think folks are fooling themselves if they think some "spiritually based savior" or some sort of "spiritual belief system" will stop the crowd I just mentioned above.

[Chester]

The Third World War may have begun as a
clash of civilizations, but its proper end or telos is the constitution of a...
...World Order based on these fundamental principles.


I assume that this would be some kind of world order not run by the psychopaths who've ruined this one?

Also, in the mix is a future where these people (the masters) separate themselves from what they will allow to remain of terrestrial humanity whereby they will reset the world and what will emerge is a controlled feudal agrarian society spread over the globe so as to be a managed supports system for their needs and sadly, humanity has shown a great proclivity to remaining slaves throughout our known history, so there are many among us calling for this type of reset right now (though they do not factor in the "master race" that would be bringing it all to fruition).

[Mark]

The problem Jorjani sees is that unless there's a global counter-force that shares a common ethos that is based on creativity, freedom and personal responsibility, there will be no political body that can stop these guys. I see all sorts of rantings and ravings about "globalization" and "trans-humanism" yet never any solutions that can realistically and successfully stop the agenda of the already well structured "globalists" ala the WEF, Davos, and technocrat billionaire alliance (to name some of the main players) that control the western world's governments and has significant influence over China and other non-western nations.

That is the issue, isn't it. From this purely material and historical perspective, this problem would seem to be insurmountable since some version of these 'powers and prinicipalities' have been in control for a very, very long time. The kind of actions it would take to remove them from power would counter the very effort, since it would require employing the same tactics they have standardized for so long, which would result in those seeking to replace them actually becoming them.


I think folks are fooling themselves if they think some "spiritually based savior" or some sort of "spiritual belief system" will stop the crowd I just mentioned above.

Depends upon the nature of that spiritual system and savior, doesn't it? I mean, if it is just that, a system of belief and not something more, having access to some kind of power that our current science does not admit exists, then you are right. And if that is the case, then there is no human force that can remove them from power.


Also, in the mix is a future where these people (the masters) separate themselves from what they will allow to remain of terrestrial humanity whereby they will reset the world and what will emerge is a controlled feudal agrarian society spread over the globe so as to be a managed supports system for their needs and sadly, humanity has shown a great proclivity to remaining slaves throughout our known history, so there are many among us calling for this type of reset right now (though they do not factor in the "master race" that would be bringing it all to fruition).

Sounds like we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Unless we can believe in miracles.

[Blastolabs]

Sounds like we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Unless we can believe in miracles.

The answer is a lot more simple from my experience.

All these problems only exist if you choose to participate in "society" and rely on "society" for all of your resources.

For now there is nothing stopping humans from deciding to live together in cooperation instead of competition.

I do realize that giving all that up might at first seem impossible, but there are many examples of how EASY it is for people to function outside of the monetary based system.

One clear example is the Rainbow Gatherings which occur all over the world. Each year about 10,000 come together to live in a society without leaders, laws, or the use of cash. It is NOT something that is "well planned and organized".

But if you get 10,000 people in the woods, without TV or cellphones, they end up getting LOTS done.
What else is there to do?

There are hundreds of large kitchens, food is free, anything you need is free, just ask.
Donations are taken at each dinner circle, kitchens bring large pots to dinner circle, after dinner anyone who wants to watch the money get counted can, and money is divided amongst the kitchens that brought food.

About 1/3rd of the people there go to the main dinner circle each night.
Nothing is "organized"
Everything gets done

A group of 100-200 people seem to travel from one Rainbow Gathering to another through out the entire year, it would NOT be difficult to start growing that group. We soon may have no other choice, and this is something to look forward to not fear.

It is impossible to describe what it feels like at a gathering, but it is CLEAR that humans WANT to get along, and WANT to work HARD.

Doing so is easy

But I wouldn't believe that unless I had seen it with my own eyes many times.

Page on organizing your own Rainbow Gathering

https://welcomehome.org/rainbow/

Why do we do it? I mean: Why gather?

Because we love each other. We really do.

Because we are creating something new and beautiful. Don't believe there's nothing new under the sun. This is as new ­ even 16 sweet years into it ­ as anything can be in the long­term development of human culture.

Because we fold the vision of a peaceful world in our inner eyes ­ in our hearts and we make it real in this outside world.

Because it is a thrill to experience a cooperative society.

Because it is our great pleasure to live ­ even briefly ­ together in a state of expanded freedom.

Because only when we take personal responsibility for the needs of each other ­ water, food, security, fuel, healing, child care and recycling ­ do we take mature responsibility for our lives.

Because the children need something gentle and loving to look forward to.

Because it is important to teach and learn as much as possible about human cooperation.

Because we dream of gathering everywhere with people of all lands and traditions. As Paul Revere and Longfellow said, "in every middlesex village and town."

Because we are fed up with war economy & economic exploitation & political over fording, and we want to try something else.

Because gathering teaches thousands of people, even tens of thousands, respect for the earth, the water, the plants & the animals.


Because laughter, music, celebration and rejoicing in life are needed in this world in great measure

Because when we work together voluntarily we illuminate the way out from under the burden of the governments & the banks.

Because gathering unifies ancient tribal wisdom with current ideas and technologies.

Because people + nature eco­harmony = beauty

Because when WC gather we bring to life a society without human prejudice.

Because gathering inter nets people from all over the world who are actively participating in the conscious evolution of our species.

Because when we gather we touch each other in a spiritual place where we are all part of one great bug human family.

Because we want to inspire hope that it is indeed possible ­ and in fact plea .durable for people of all kinds to live in peace.

Because the world needs to see a positive example and if we don't do it, who else will?

Because outside of the money system we encounter the most generous human natures.

[Mark]

One clear example is the Rainbow Gatherings which occur all over the world. Each year about 10,000 come together to live in a society without leaders, laws, or the use of cash. It is NOT something that is "well planned and organized".

I have never been to a Rainbow Gathering myself, but my wife has been to a couple and she has told me about the experience. I would concur with you that such gatherings are indeed something that can introduce more of our traumatized global populace to what it looks like to live in a more harmonious way with nature and each other. Like Burning Man, it is a kind of gathering that can work for large numbers of people living and working together.

We are currently in a transitory time. We exist within a certain cultural and material milieu where violence is subliminal and overt and many of us carry it within us to greater or lesser degrees. We, the generations currently living, therefore have the awesome responsibility of ushering in the new while carefully picking and choosing what from the old can accompany us. When so many of us have such powerful pain-bodies individually and collectively, the institutions that we create reflect that reality in the underlying mores by which we seek to better ourselves and our societies.

All of that said to say that I don't know that even these kinds of cultural attempts to make a better way will truly be, 'better' in the sense of creating more equitable societies for everyone. And what about punishment?

My lady told me about one Rainbow she went on, where a guy raped a girl. He was tied to a tree and forcibly macro-dosed with LSD.

[Chester]

The following article is quite Promethean.

“A” Solution for the Masses Does not Exist: Perceived Reality Is in Fact Only Theatre

By Gary D. Barnett

September 24, 2022


This subject is vitally important to understand, and few understand it. The talk of, and the incessant questions received by readers, all demanding to know the “single solution” to all of life’s ills, especially concerning the monstrous tyranny that has consumed this nation state and the world, are not only tiresome, but indicative of a total ignorance of what is actually going on today. The concentration by not only the mainstream, the alternative media, and the public herd, on every single false realty presented as fact, is exhaustive in nature, but telling of symptoms that belie any rational thought. This is troubling to be sure, but it is also extremely dangerous.

As I wrote in my previous article (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/09/gary-d-barnett/the-big-picture-is-hidden-in-the-smoke-screen-of-its-compartmentalized-subplots/):

“As the “Great Reset” continues to roll forward, most of the media, including the alternative media, is very busy breaking down each and every part of the sub-plots, analyzing everything and every aspect of this plotted terror, and attempting to tackle each element in order to at some point in the far future, hopefully convince their masters to grant them some minor relief. “

“All this and more are meant only to allow the advancement of the “Great Reset,” without debate, or the proper scrutiny necessary to expose the lies that we are told every day. It is all a smoke screen used to hide, confuse, and divide the masses, so that each and every subplot takes enough energy away, and covers up the main agenda of global control enough, so that any honest assessment of the horrible plan to rule the world remains in the shadows. So long as this is the case, world domination by the few will continue to go forward, while the bulk of society fights among themselves, never understanding the scope of what is actually happening.”

What is actually going on here is purposeful, planned, and staged, in order to create as much confusion as possible to the general public, so that all concentration is guided to whatever new bogeyman of the day is the ‘new reality’ desired by the ruling class in order to fool the people into the proper compartments of hate and fear. These techniques are very useful to those who desire to rule, and have been staggeringly successful for the tyrants. This technique was explained very clearly in a quote by Karl Rove in 2004; a Republican policy advisor and Chief of Staff for George W. Bush. He stated it this way:

As to “guys like you,” (people in the media) you are “in what we call the reality-based community” which are people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernable reality. That’s not the way the world really works anymore. We are an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you are studying that reality—judiciously as you will—we will act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

This was quoted by James Corbett today (https://www.corbettreport.com/qfc-wef/), as it has been in the past, and it is oh so telling, important, and on mark. What this indicates is that everything that happens concerning government, is planned in advance and therefore conspiratorial. I have been screaming this for years, but it has mostly fallen on deaf ears. Nothing in politics and ruling structures are natural, organic, or coincidence. All is a plot meant to achieve a particular end. This is so obvious that almost none should ever believe what they are told by the state, but wishing for that kind of clarity it seems, is nothing more than a pipedream.

Nothing irks me more than the notion that any single, or even multiple solutions, exists, and can be magically produced in order to not only change the minds of hundreds of millions, or billions, but also expect the bulk of society to go along with what is considered the perfect plan to fix all these problems within the system that currently exists. Almost every day, I am scrutinized, chastised, and cursed, for not giving the single perfect solution to the world’s ills. So, what is meant by, and expected, as ‘the’ solution?

Those who ask for and promote these simplistic answers to complicated problems, involving these millions and billions of individuals, seem to have lost sight of all logic. Any ‘solution,’ would necessarily require the involvement of the masses. But how is that possible, or even considered by anyone with any ability to think? Those who offer ‘solutions,’ often are giving good advice for certain individuals temporarily, but no one has, or ever will have, the single ‘solution’ to change the world so that all is good and rosy, and all are free. No one has, or ever will, be able to end all tyranny by coming up with a particular ‘solution.’

What has been offered so far? Voting for a new master is very common. Just get the right person as king and master, it is said, and all will be okay. How has that worked out the past 244 years? Another is to march in the streets in protest, which is nothing more than begging your rulers to please grant you some relief. Another is to wake people up by telling them what to do and how to act, but how is that possible? Some recommend forming groups of like-minded people, to work together, farm together, or to build private communities that can act independently. This may help some, but it is only meant to avoid the current system, while it remains in place.

Many attempt to form ‘different’ political groups in hopes of ‘improving’ government. Many choose to fight against or pick one or the other specific option that relies on there being one problem and one enemy; e.g., the Jews, the Federal Reserve, immigration, voting ‘integrity,’ (really) Masonic demons, the Muslims, China, Russia, etc. Some even say all that is necessary is to “follow the Constitution,” that secret government created document that set loose an unlimited and all-powerful and evil federal national central government. And many say the only solution is to follow, worship, and bow down to ‘their god.’

There are good solutions to temporary problems, such as being armed, growing and storing your own food, moving off grid, avoiding the abhorrent government school (indoctrination) system, getting off social media, blowing up your television, and many, many more. But none of these things mentioned address at any level the real problem.

The real problem is the allowance of, which is completely voluntary, a ruling class given the power to lord over and control the masses at will. It is the belief that humanity cannot function or survive without a king and master class called government to guide them, restrict them, steal from them, and kill them when deemed necessary. It is the acceptance of ‘laws’ and mandates said to be only for the good of the people, and only meant to protect them. The ruling class of so-called ‘elites, and their henchmen in government and all government enforcement, are the real problem; at least if one desires to discount the willingness of the masses who freely allow their own slavery.

Once again, and for the thousandth time, the solution to this totalitarian hell lies in understanding and accepting the fact that only the individual has the power to wake up and change himself. No one can do this for another, and no government will ever police itself by implementing its own destruction. Each of us has to take, sustain, and protect his own freedom if it is ever to exist. This does not mean that one is alone, as the many acting as free individuals together, and not allowing any unjust rule, (all government rule is unjust) can move mountains.

I have been told over and over again that negating and ignoring government, non-compliance, no obedience to the state, and ignoring all mandates, is not a solution, but I beg to differ. There are 330 million of us and only a handful of them in this country. If you cannot understand the dynamics of this power, and the numbers involved, then you will never see your way to any liberty. My solution is not something I can give you; it is no solution that can happen due to the efforts of the few, and it is not a fix-all for everyone. It is based solely on each and every individual deciding that he no longer desires to be ruled over and a slave. The responsibility falls directly on each of us, and if enough come to this conclusion, this tyranny would end quickly. I do not because of human nature, believe that enough people at this time will stand on their own two feet and say no regardless of risk. But in my mind, that is our only chance.

In order to gain freedom, you have to want it badly enough to do whatever it takes to gain enough self-respect to understand the importance of your life. No one can ‘give’ you freedom, you have to demand it unconditionally. You have to rebel within yourself, and not rely on any other to give you something that they have no power to give. This is an individual struggle, based on the cooperation of many who desire the same thing. It is not and cannot be accomplished by hiding in the crowd, cowering in fear, expecting others to give you an impossible easy solution, and avoiding the pain of becoming free. You, each of you, has to decide for yourself.

“The most important kind of freedom is to be what you really are. You trade in your reality for a role. You trade in your sense for an act. You give up your ability to feel, and in exchange, put on a mask. There can’t be any large-scale revolution until there’s a personal revolution, on an individual level. It’s got to happen inside first.”

~ Jim Morrison

[John Hilton]

I don't know which category this should be in because it covers a multitude of subjects as well as those in the title. Please click on the transcript link to see the Contents list with time markers for the video.

Note: there are two people talking and the AI transcription doesn’t distinguish between them so, in some places, it’s impossible to know who is saying what. I did tidy up the last hour as best I could but it’s time-consuming. It's a 3.5 hour interview!

God, Aliens & the Secret Behind All World Religions - Jason Jorjani

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg

TRANSCRIPT: https://files.catbox.moe/iej3fn.txt

[RunningDeer]

I don't know which category this should be in because it covers a multitude of subjects as well as those in the title. Please click on the transcript link to see the Contents list with time markers for the video.

Note: there are two people talking and the AI transcription doesn’t distinguish between them so, in some places, it’s impossible to know who is saying what. I did tidy up the last hour as best I could but it’s time-consuming. It's a 3.5 hour interview!

God, Aliens & the Secret Behind All World Religions - Jason Jorjani

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg

TRANSCRIPT: https://files.catbox.moe/iej3fn.txt



God, Aliens & the Secret Behind All World Religions | Jason Jorjani


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OUTLINE

00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=0s) - Blackwater intelligence & MI6

14:05 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=845s) - Reverse engineered WWII UFO's

24:47 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=1487s) - Defamation by NY Times

39:37 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=2377s) - $1 billion Venezuelan oil contract

55:54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=3354s) - Planned coup in Iran

01:11:59 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=4319s) - Jorjani's near-death experience

01:20:25 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=4825s) - Paranormal science

01:31:54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=5514s) - Lockheed Martin's underground space tech facility

01:43:26 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=6206s) - Earth's timeline is being manipulated

01:51:07 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=6667s) - Earths pole shift; cities under Antartica

02:00:10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=7210s) - Tic tac UFOs are Lockheed tech

02:14:21 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=8061s) - 'Angel & demon' UFO narrative

02:17:18 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=8238s) - Aliens engineering wars on earth

02:35:34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=9334s) - Underwater 'super-human' civilization

02:41:41 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=9701s) - Mystery airship of 1896

02:52:07 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=10327s) - Alien disclosure is a farce

02:54:24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=10464s) - Chris Bledsoe case

03:00:25 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=10825s) - Christianity VS the US constitution

03:12:19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=11539s) - Plato's roots in the modern world

03:21:53 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=12113s) - Plato's noble lie

03:36:02 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=12962s) - The rise of intellect in ancient Greece

03:39:48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=13188s) - Belief in GOD

03:49:11 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=13751s) - Prometheus = Lucifer

[Harmony]

There is also the thread linked below started by Chester (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?9881-Chester) :stars:

Jason Reza Jorjani and his philosophical concepts and Prometheism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119218-Jason-Reza-Jorjani-and-his-philosophical-concepts-and-Prometheism)



Mod note from Bill:
Yes, threads merged. :thumbsup:

[DNA]

I don't know which category this should be in because it covers a multitude of subjects as well as those in the title. Please click on the transcript link to see the Contents list with time markers for the video.

Note: there are two people talking and the AI transcription doesn’t distinguish between them so, in some places, it’s impossible to know who is saying what. I did tidy up the last hour as best I could but it’s time-consuming. It's a 3.5 hour interview!

God, Aliens & the Secret Behind All World Religions - Jason Jorjani

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg

TRANSCRIPT: https://files.catbox.moe/iej3fn.txt



God, Aliens & the Secret Behind All World Religions | Jason Jorjani


nFg1s0QBytg



OUTLINE

00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=0s) - Blackwater intelligence & MI6

14:05 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=845s) - Reverse engineered WWII UFO's

24:47 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=1487s) - Defamation by NY Times

39:37 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=2377s) - $1 billion Venezuelan oil contract

55:54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=3354s) - Planned coup in Iran

01:11:59 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=4319s) - Jorjani's near-death experience

01:20:25 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=4825s) - Paranormal science

01:31:54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=5514s) - Lockheed Martin's underground space tech facility

01:43:26 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=6206s) - Earth's timeline is being manipulated

01:51:07 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=6667s) - Earths pole shift; cities under Antartica

02:00:10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=7210s) - Tic tac UFOs are Lockheed tech

02:14:21 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=8061s) - 'Angel & demon' UFO narrative

02:17:18 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=8238s) - Aliens engineering wars on earth

02:35:34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=9334s) - Underwater 'super-human' civilization

02:41:41 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=9701s) - Mystery airship of 1896

02:52:07 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=10327s) - Alien disclosure is a farce

02:54:24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=10464s) - Chris Bledsoe case

03:00:25 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=10825s) - Christianity VS the US constitution

03:12:19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=11539s) - Plato's roots in the modern world

03:21:53 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=12113s) - Plato's noble lie

03:36:02 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=12962s) - The rise of intellect in ancient Greece

03:39:48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=13188s) - Belief in GOD

03:49:11 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg&t=13751s) - Prometheus = Lucifer

Thank you Paula. :)
This man may be the smartest mother# on the planet.
The world is full of Richard Dolans.
I'm going to say it.
I'm not in the least bit a fan of Dolan.
Richard stays in the safe confines of ships in the sky.
But Jorjani. Holysh^t !!!
The man expects for you to have done your homework.
He uses his PhD in philosophy to pursue and weave theoretical tapestries all of which make profound good sense.

I don't agree with everything the guy says but he is a joy to listen to.
He has balls.
Great big beautiful balls.
I'm now a huge fan. :sun:
I listened to the entire 4 hour interview.
Absolutely worth it. Amazing
53697

[DNA]

CYZXWH8cnsU

This is maybe the best over all take on modern disclosure I've ever heard.
A really good description of the alien situation through history.
A scathing rebuke of Steven Greer's "they are all spiritual positive beings".

Names escape me but a lot going on with modern disclosure I had no clue about.
But...
He says something I've been saying for a while...
Don't be conned into these are ancient God's that need to be worshiped.
You will be smarter and wiser for having watched this interview.

[Vangelo]

CYZXWH8cnsU

This is maybe the best over all take on modern disclosure I've ever heard.
A really good description of the alien situation through history.
A scathing rebuke of Steven Greer's "they are all spiritual positive beings".

Names escape me but a lot going on with modern disclosure I had no clue about.
But...
He says something I've been saying for a while...
Don't be conned into these are ancient God's that need to be worshiped.
You will be smarter and wiser for having watched this interview.
Very interesting video. Thank you.
Also, Jason Jorjani called out Chester (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?9881-Chester)at 2:32:47

...

[Vicus]

Thinking loud...

On mark 2:05:39 from that video Jason Reza Jorjani began to talk about "insurgency"and boast about been a "big supporter of the state of Israel" and "I really can care less about Palestinian..."

Until that mark was all perfect, BUT after that mark he lost me...

From the video beginning,he explain everybody Ancient History where all the "gods" from every civilization are the same entity's under different names Enlil,Zeus,Jhawe and so on...and the same game is been playing right NOW! with so called "Aliens" or whatever you wanna called...

Well, if he knows that the "god" from Israhell is so phony and that the "official" posture from this fake country is based on messianic "plans" for them and the rest of the world ...then WHAT!!!...

I would like to see a video confronting this man with Clif High knowing what onkel Clif think about "the Elohim"...and the Gnostic's references, that Jorjani don't mention at all, EVER! ... :sherlock:

[DNA]

Thinking loud...

On mark 2:05:39 from that video Jason Reza Jorjani began to talk about "insurgency"and boast about been a "big supporter of the state of Israel" and "I really can care less about Palestinian..."

Until that mark was all perfect, BUT after that mark he lost me...

From the video beginning,he explain everybody Ancient History where all the "gods" from every civilization are the same entity's under different names Enlil,Zeus,Jhawe and so on...and the same game is been playing right NOW! with so called "Aliens" or whatever you wanna called...

Well, if he knows that the "god" from Israhell is so phony and that the "official" posture from this fake country is based on messianic "plans" for them and the rest of the world ...then WHAT!!!...

I would like to see a video confronting this man with Cliff Heigh, knowing what onkel Cliff think about "the Elohim"...and the Gnostic's references, that Jorjani don't mention at all, EVER! ... :sherlock:

I do not know enough about Jorjani to play defendant but...
In the longer 4 hour video I quoted just before this post.
Jorjani being from Iranian heritage talks at length about his attempts to free Iran from their current regime. He was attempting a coup from within the country and willing to die in that country for his convictions.
In this telling I was surprised to hear that he had the political clout to contact Israel and ask them to stand down while this was taking place. A pretty big deal.
I was exceptionally impressed.

He also goes on to explain how the US and or affiliated parties are much more interested in the destruction and plunder of Iran as opposed to a organic regime change peacefully transitioning Iran to a more secular modern Democracy without religious leadership as a figure head.

He also mentions intelligence agencies of the US and UK conspiring against him and using the media to cancel him.

He certainly never expressed any anti-palestinian sentiment.

Again, I'm really new to this appreciation.
But I think the age old adage don't throw the baby out with the bath water applies here.
The man covers a huge range of topics and gives well thought out opinion on them.

[Bill Ryan]

On mark 2:05:39 from that video Jason Reza Jorjani began to talk about "insurgency"and boast about been a "big supporter of the state of Israel" and "I really can care less about Palestinian..."I raised my eyebrows at that as well (quite a long way!), but remembered that this video (https://youtube.com/watch?v=CYZXWH8cnsU) was recorded in the first half of 2023, before the events of 7 October 2023 and the start of the genocide. So it'd be interesting to know his views on all that now.

However, he also several times indicated that he had no love or respect for Russia or China — he was very dismissive of both — and appeared to be in full support of the American way of life and traditional values, as if he wholeheartedly believed America was the sole hope for the future of the world, etc etc etc.

If he really does think that, he's way way wrong.

[Kryztian]

On mark 2:05:39 from that video Jason Reza Jorjani began to talk about "insurgency"and boast about been a "big supporter of the state of Israel" and "I really can care less about Palestinian..."I raised my eyebrows at that as well (quite a long way!), but remembered that this video (https://youtube.com/watch?v=CYZXWH8cnsU) was recorded in the first half of 2023, before the events of 7 October 2023 and the start of the genocide. So it'd be interesting to know his views on all that now.

In his interview from July of this year with Danny Jones (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg) I do remember him saying that he wished Netanyahu "luck" in his endeavors in Gaza and Lebanon. The remark was slightly off topic, and it seemed like he was trying to go on the record with something here.


However, he also several times indicated that he had no love or respect for Russia or China — he was very dismissive of both — and appeared to be in full support of the American way of life and traditional values, as if he wholeheartedly believed America was the sole hope for the future of the world, etc etc etc.

If he really does think that, he's way way wrong.

Indeed. It is also quite ironic that he has been cancelled by academia at a time when academia is cancelling anyone who is critiquing Zionism or the West's policies towards Russia and China. Perhaps he is making the remarks to say "Hey, I'm on your side" to the powers that be in academia.

Jorjani has quite a mind, but it is hard to take his vision for human civilization seriously if he is unable to see evils of the violent, racist genocidal state of Israel or the dangers of NATO countries whose policies are to bring the world to the brink of nuclear war on behalf of cronyistic, corporatist, psychopathic entities. I also remember him talking about eugenics (alas I don't remember exactly where) as a historical phenomena. His words didn't seem to be "pro" or "anti" eugenics, and he certainly seemed to recognize that most people regarded eugenics as something quite negative, but his words were kind of neutral on the subject and my mind couldn't help asking "I wonder if he is a eugenicist?" So now I am wondering again.

[norman]

Jason is a 50/50 split between genius level neuronal long jumping and a complete idiot, spiritually.

When he thinks he's describing the greatest heights of consciousness and achievement he's actually describing the deepest depths of evil.

The kindest thing I can say about him is that he might be the smartest NPC in the world

He's a novel experience for me. Until I just witnessed it, I'd never imagined seeing the death throws of the intellect, I think I just have.

I know nothing about his background. He comes across to me as someone Satan has thrown out there for a purpose of 'hoovering' back into the intellectual bubble every bit of spiritual awakening humans have so far achieved.

Is that an act of desperation ? . . . . I kinda think it is, but not Jason's. Someone or something very desperate put his path in front of him, he's just walking it.

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping the thread with this new post from Michi on the UFO/UAP thread:

(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122463-UFOlogy-UAP-Developments-So-Far...-2024-2025&p=1663413&viewfull=1#post1663413)~~~

Here is the follow-up interview with Jason Jorjani: "Nuclear War on Mars, Time Traveling Nazis & The Techno Apocalypse"

So far I have watched it half way thru and it's very compelling. Jorjani goes over detailed info about the moon and mars, the holographic universe and so much more.

It's over 3 hours long - so have chips or popcorn within reach. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/wink_animated.gif

N8ishaUps9E

OUTLINE:
00:00 - Satana: the eon of Satan
06:32 - The Collins Elite
10:17 - Disclosure of the devil
14:09 - Steven Greer
17:55 - Ancient megalithic structures on the moon
33:27 - Evidence the moon is hollow
43:33 - Thermonuclear war on Mars
53:39 - Evidence the moon was man-made
57:52 - What Apollo 11 astronauts REALLY saw on the moon
01:13:49 - Stored data is changing the earth's gravity
01:28:49 - Information = dark matter
01:37:24 - The pending information cataclysm
01:47:37 - Morphic resonance & aliens
01:55:42 - The universe is a hologram
02:07:15 - Telepathy & psionic powers
02:18:45 - Stoned ape theory & DMT
02:27:22 - Advanced human race engineering our society
02:37:33 - How Nazis created the U.S. deep state
02:50:59 - 1940s development of flying saucers
02:56:56 - How America funded Nazi Germany
03:04:51 - Atlantis in Antarctica
03:18:35 - What happened to Hitler after WW2
03:23:57 - Whitley Strieber's childhood trauma

[sunwings]

Thanks Bill, I had a download yesterday about the SS and the Dracos but did not know where to turn and then this pops up. This is why this community is so important!

[araucaria]

Bumping the thread with this new post from Michi on the UFO/UAP thread:

(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122463-UFOlogy-UAP-Developments-So-Far...-2024-2025&p=1663413&viewfull=1#post1663413)~~~

Here is the follow-up interview with Jason Jorjani: "Nuclear War on Mars, Time Traveling Nazis & The Techno Apocalypse"

So far I have watched it half way thru and it's very compelling. Jorjani goes over detailed info about the moon and mars, the holographic universe and so much more.

It's over 3 hours long - so have chips or popcorn within reach. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/wink_animated.gif

N8ishaUps9E

OUTLINE:
00:00 - Satana: the eon of Satan
06:32 - The Collins Elite
10:17 - Disclosure of the devil
14:09 - Steven Greer
17:55 - Ancient megalithic structures on the moon
33:27 - Evidence the moon is hollow
43:33 - Thermonuclear war on Mars
53:39 - Evidence the moon was man-made
57:52 - What Apollo 11 astronauts REALLY saw on the moon
01:13:49 - Stored data is changing the earth's gravity
01:28:49 - Information = dark matter
01:37:24 - The pending information cataclysm
01:47:37 - Morphic resonance & aliens
01:55:42 - The universe is a hologram
02:07:15 - Telepathy & psionic powers
02:18:45 - Stoned ape theory & DMT
02:27:22 - Advanced human race engineering our society
02:37:33 - How Nazis created the U.S. deep state
02:50:59 - 1940s development of flying saucers
02:56:56 - How America funded Nazi Germany
03:04:51 - Atlantis in Antarctica
03:18:35 - What happened to Hitler after WW2
03:23:57 - Whitley Strieber's childhood trauma




I don’t know about the popcorn, a pen and paper seem more appropriate. For such a long, detailed presentation, there is perhaps a surprising number of gaps and inconsistencies in even just the hour I’ve listened to – the sections on Mars and Martians and on information as dark matter – so much so that the entire piece risks being debunked by some people. I can only attempt as best I can in my own lay human’s words to make at least some sense of it.


Let’s start with the information theory, information as dark matter, having weight and leading to a theory of us living in a computer simulation with a ceiling on how far it will take us. The extra weight on a planet, we are told, produced by erasing data will lead to all the upheavals we associate with recurring catastrophes. Moon-sized information garbage in 340 years, Earth-sized in 400 years. Whenever a certain stage is reached, this obese world is sent off kilter, the last time a mere 12 thousand years ago, and here we go again.


There are several problems with this. First and foremost, one of timescale. In the other story, the Martians who escaped from nuclear holocaust on Mars aboard our Moon appear to have survived a hundred million years or more, without the Moon being swamped by Moon-sized information mass. They would appear to have found a huge degree of stability, and in fact they are said to be responsible for stabilizing Earth’s erratic climate up till then by placing our satellite as it is to this day. Presumably in so doing they have been erasing astronomical amounts of data, and we need to explain where the mass from that energy has been going and why these people are playing to different rules from the ones that supposedly apply to our entire visible universe. Alternatively, they started out with a tiny Moon that has been growing larger all this time – an unstable stabilizer in other words. Chapeau!


If erased data produces entropy in the form of mass, here on Earth we can say more generally that life produces waste – but while conversely recycled (organic) waste also produces life, technology always produces both unusable mass on the surface of the planet (landfill) and pollution, which when combined in sufficient quantities are enough to place us in jeopardy, as we see today, no dark matter required. The situation of course escalates when cleaning technology is introduced, which only makes the problem worse – better locally but globally worse (how to clean up the cleaning chemicals, clean up the clean-up etc.?).


Of course we could still be in a computer simulation here; the question is whether to prefer, as Jorjani does, this artificial intelligence idea to Rupert Sheldrake’s ‘mind of God’ understanding of life which he quotes. But of course, to call it someone’s artifice (and just who might that be?) is merely atheistic terminology for the same effect: it’s somehow immeasurably bigger than us, meaning that viewed from here, there is no ceiling but this creator. In addition, it would appear that these Martians are above or outside the level of this simulation and immune to its effects, and yet they destroyed their own world and came here to live. Incidentally that destruction was done not with dark energy from erased data but with good old nuclear warheads. So what’s going on, and what do we gain by noting that these are giant humanoids, like ourselves but bigger? It is a bit facile to claim that similar species will recur through Sheldrake’s resonance of form (morphic resonance). We already know how we came into existence, directly through reproduction and inter-species through evolution, on the basis of our DNA. This would then be more of the same: these large humans hanging around us are likely family, parents of our species. When they were our age, they had the same issue playing with nuclear matches, and now with their greater wisdom and experience, they have likely been nurturing us, notably by preventing us from that particular catastrophe. If not them, we’ve seen several miracles.


Another issue with Jorjani’s narrative is the vast intervening period, which he gets from the Mars scientist John Brandenburg. He also reports from corroborated remote viewing sessions that the Moon was used to create climate stability and evolve the Earth to the Martians’ own needs, so this was their second home long before it ever became our first. Jorjani surmises that they probably sent that asteroid to get rid of the unwanted dinosaurs. That would be using negentropy in a highly destructive way, would it not? But I want to know how have they been living all this time and how do they intend to end up? If they are like us, they will have needed a food supply on the barren Moon. I suggest they dined on dinosaur steaks until they ran out, and then turned to, say, early fish, whose descendants – the ‘tail end’ – we are now driving extinct. This is not life producing waste, but life feeding life having a higher degree of consciousness/self-awareness: negentropy. Mass to energy and back, over and over again. So it was not one-way traffic, all about the Moon helping the Earth, the opposite was also the case from the get-go and as the original colony likely grew in size. The point not being covered here is how the Earth itself fits in with Martian history and evolution, beyond the period of temporary accommodation inside the Moon. They didn’t need dinosaurs to survive, but they likely do need us. It makes sense to think that Earth humans were the goal of Mars humans all along – what we mean by ‘end times’ would be when this program comes to fruition. This Martian story is in its final chapter ahead of a future involving evolved Earth humans who also happen to carry acclimatized Martian DNA.


This leads me back to the issue of waste. The hollow Moon with what was on the inside now on the outside is suggestive of waste disposal as we are doing it here: with a hopelessly unecological approach despite the lip service. On a clement world, you live on the surface; on a semi-clement one, you build a house and live inside it; on a hostile one, you live underground, the planetary surface becomes your roof. A planet may be only clement to certain species and for a certain time, after which it has potential as a spaceship only. What is claimed to have happened on the Moon is happening before our eyes on Earth: hollowing out the interior into so much surface waste. At some stage, any evolved life form will end up inside. The point being that no surplus energy from erasing information or anything else is being introduced beyond that coming from the Sun. It is already there, included in the local production cost, not some exorbitant tariff being imposed from outside. Otherwise, the Moon would have had a chequered history and the Earth would have suffered in consequence – but maybe this is what has been happening all along?


What we are seeing is a work in progress, on an unimaginably long timescale, which is not the same as timelessness. On this scale, earth humanity is like a tiny child looking up to its parents it takes to be a hundred. Later on it understands that real centenarians end up as landfill in cemeteries, but there are a few still alive to prove it possible. Here we are talking of a still slower speed for evolution: how can an infant – or rather even an embryonic – species attempt to understand that without feeling great fear? This is the ambiguous immature condition in which the greater good can be experienced as being catastrophic. Traumatized Apollo astronauts escaping the limelight and never replaced would fall into this category. The analogy, then, is a mature foetus, too big to continue growing in the womb, and yet too small to imagine the change of scale to come, hence the fear.


A hollow planet is going to be bigger than the original (this may be why archaeologists always have to dig down to find what used to be on the surface). What is mined is mostly dirty fuel, i.e. small amounts of energy and large amounts of waste. And the energy produces heat, both needed and unwanted, so more pollution causing environmental strain. But if a hollow planet is the goal, then environmentalism is not an issue, or a negative one, and in this century this might explain the need for useful idiots and other billionaires to carry on regardless, requiring surface-based species to carry out the increasingly dirty work. To understand why this might be the (only) solution, we just need to think of the earth heating up through being populated and the Sun heating up because of its age (or maybe its population?). That being the case, there will likely come a time when the vicinity of Mars will be the better location, and who knows, the Earth might be making the trip to become a dual planet with Mars.


Another point that could be made is this whole business of expanding planets. This fits in with Paul LaViolette’s theory of planetary and stellar evolution, and of evolution more generally from atoms to galactic clusters, and which may be incredibly slow overall, but possibly with light-bulb moments compatible with our human experience of time – such as LaViolette’s galactic superwave. The human story would almost certainly have a part to play in all this. If so, we are probably looking at a 100th monkey situation. How many monkeys do you need to reach the hundred mark? (And how many is a ‘hundred’? Probably a lot more.) You might need eight billion, and not just any eight billion. And how many sets, in addition to the 100 monkeys currently running the planet? :) Alternatively, if the idea is to make as big a mess as possible, then all eight billion would be doing a useful job.The only way to find out soonest is for everyone to be doing their level best, whatever they believe that to be. Even if it’s not doing to others as they would have done to themselves. No ceilings here.


The basic premise in LaViolette’s theory is that all things grow, all the way from subatomic particles to galactic clusters. The transition from planet to star, I presume, is going to involve very gradually expanding, heating up and radiating more light. This may start by reflecting incoming light. This is something the Moon has brought to Earth, giving us reflected sunlight at all times of the day and night… This planetary evolution will have been boosted by the evolution of its life forms, and further boosted with the rise of an intelligent species in the image and likeness of these Martian colonists. It all sounds a bit like presentday obstetrics. We can all help this process along by exuding personal radiance, or joy, which is the opposite to acting like pawns in some cosmic chess game.


Coming back to the subject of dark matter, I am a little wary of a science that only recently corrected its cosmic scales by nearly an order of magnitude! Richard Feynman says somewhere, ‘No machinery has ever been invented that "explains" gravity without also predicting some other phenomenon that does not exist.’ Dark matter strikes me as another version of another indetectable substance or medium that exists only theoretically: the ether. In Six Not-so-easy Pieces Feynman talks about a ‘conspiracy of nature’ preventing us from measuring a value for the ether, and quotes Raymond Poincaré as saying this conspiracy is actually a law of nature. So here you have a void in our understanding, requiring not so much a leap of faith as accepting that to all intents and purposes there is no ceiling, this is bigger than we can ever grasp. The very idea of a medium places it in relation to, but different from, mass and energy (but not the same as how I think Jorjani sees dark matter). Materialism breaks down at this point – hits a ceiling of its own making –, meaning I suppose that all mass is energy but not all energy is mass, and hence light as detectable energy relies on indetectable (presumably faster than light) energy to get around. Or words to that effect…


One further inconsistency is that Jorjani relies on this aspect from the outset, because when he talks about remote viewing Mars 100 million years ago, then we are automatically with a vengeance in this faster-than-light, or timeless, environment, demonstrating how erasing data is something which apparently just cannot be done. It all ends up in the Akashic records or whatever you want to call it.


While all the above may be detached from reality, at least it makes for a positive outcome, with an explanation of why there is nothing to fear but fear itself.I don’t need it to be true, and if true it doesn’t particularly need any of us to understand. Nature, apparently, is somewhat conspiratorial.





After writing this post, I had another look at Brandenburg’s Death on Mars. What I had forgotten was that, far from playing with nuclear matches, the Martians were victims nuked from outer space, presumably by some alien race of marauders removing any competition. What difference does this make? It confirms the idea of space as a hostile environment and hence the need for secrecy and to get underground. So we Earthlings are endangering not only ourselves with our antics but the Martians as well. No wonder our governments appear to be taking orders from elsewhere. As children of nature, that is the environment we love and yet in this broader picture it turns out to be life-threatening. In such a context, a rebellious streak would unfortunately be counter-productive. Again, whatever the merits of this story – likely just a part of a bigger picture – a few things begin to make more sense, notably the mistreatment of good, honest, intelligent people, whose standard-bearer might be JFK. Or the rejection of free energy: beyond the economic motive, it is premature until such time as all the fossil fuels, lying underground like so much untreated waste from the past, are usefully recycled and protectively deposited above ground, thereby clearing space for other purposes. Once that is completed, clean free energy will become the only viable solution. Given that the economic motive is the driver of the whole system, here you have four good reasons for a policy that is otherwise incomprehensible and inexcusable.