Trump the swamp creature?

[TomKat]

David Icke explains how Trump is of the swamp he said he would drain.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/k2Tzcpc9Jqkz/

[ramus]

Thanks TOMKAT ..... answers some questions I had ....

4 ... Swamp people ... discussed in video


Sheldon Adeldon

https://www.google.com/search?q=sheldon+adelson&client=safari&channel=mac_bm&source=hp&ei=sJD_YrX7AcbZptQPzbSgqA0&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAYv-ewP2DmgUDn6l7IuvA7apb7tUfPfWW&oq=addelson&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYATIICAAQsQMQkQIyCAgAEB4QBxAKMggIABAeEAcQCjIICAAQHhAHEAoyCAgAEB4QBxAKMggIABAeE AcQCjIGCAAQHhAHMgYIABAeEAcyCgguEMcBEK8BEAoyCAgAEB4QBxAKOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARDRAzoECC4QQzoLCAAQgAQQs QMQgwE6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOgsILhCABBDHARDRAzoFCAAQgAQ6CAguELEDEIMBOgUILhCRAjoLCC4QsQMQgwEQkQI6BAgAE EM6DgguEIAEELEDEIMBENQCOg0ILhCABBDHARDRAxAKOgsILhCABBCxAxDUAjoICAAQgAQQsQM6BwgAEIAEEAo6CggAELEDEIMBE Ao6CgguEIAEENQCEAo6BAgAEAo6BwgAELEDEAo6DQguEIAEEMcBEK8BEAo6BAguEApQAFixHmCdmAFoAHAAeACAAYEBiAHwBpIBA zUuNJgBAKABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

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Wilbur Ross

https://www.google.com/search?q=wilbur+ross&client=safari&channel=mac_bm&ei=54__YvS_DpeYptQPprKeuAU&gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TewLDQsrzBg9OIuz8xJKi1SKMovLgYAWgAH2w&oq=wilbur+ross&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADILCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyB QgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQ6BwgAEEcQsAM6BwgAELADEEM6CggAEOQCELADGAE6DAguEMgDELADEEMYAjoHCC4QsQMQQzoIC AAQgAQQsQM6CggAELEDEIMBEEM6BQguEIAEOggILhCABBCxAzoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BwgAELEDEEM6DgguELEDEIMBEMcBEK8BO g4ILhCABBCxAxCDARDUAjoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QM6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToLCC4QxwEQrwEQkQI6BQgAEJECO gsILhCABBCxAxDUAkoECEEYAEoECEYYAVD8BljWHmDrQmgBcAF4AIABbYgBuwWSAQM2LjKYAQCgAQHIARLAAQHaAQYIARABGAnaA QYIAhABGAg&sclient=gws-wiz

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Alan Dershowitz

https://www.google.com/search?q=alan+dershowitz&client=safari&channel=mac_bm&source=hp&ei=F5L_YpmOJPTJptQPrL6OoAY&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAYv-gJ4qKlek1Me27nzGCS1SIdq92-pix&gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TewNC_MMjFg9OJPzEnMU0hJLSrOyC_PLKkCAHTvCSc&oq=alan+d&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIKCC4QsQMQgwEQQzILCAAQgAQQsQMQgwEyCAguEIAEELEDMgsILhCABBCxAxCDATIFCAAQgAQyD gguEIAEELEDEIMBENQCMgUIABCABDILCC4QgAQQxwEQrwEyBQgAEIAEMggILhCABBCxAzoECC4QQzoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0 QM6BwguENQCEEM6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOgsILhCABBDHARDRAzoICC4QsQMQgwE6CgguELEDENQCEEM6BAgAEEM6CAgAELEDE IMBOgsILhCxAxCDARCRAjoHCC4QsQMQQ1AAWPoiYLc7aABwAHgAgAGHAYgB1ASSAQM0LjKYAQCgAQE&sclient=gws-wiz#cobssid=s

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Roy Cohn

https://www.google.com/search?q=roy+cohn&client=safari&channel=mac_bm&source=hp&ei=F5L_YpmOJPTJptQPrL6OoAY&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAYv-gJ4qKlek1Me27nzGCS1SIdq92-pix&gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwLMswzTBg9OIoyq9USM7PyAMAQYMGYA&oq=roy+cohn&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADILCC4QsQMQgwEQkQIyBQguEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyB QgAEIAEMgUILhCABDIFCAAQgAQ6BAgAEEM6CAguELEDEIMBOg4ILhCABBCxAxCDARDUAjoICAAQsQMQgwE6CwguEIAEEMcBENEDO hEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARDRAzoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BwguENQCEEM6BAguEEM6CgguEMcBEK8BEEM6BQguEJECOgsIABCxAxCDA RCRAjoOCC4QgAQQxwEQrwEQ1AI6CwguELEDEMcBENEDOgsILhCABBCxAxCDAToICAAQgAQQsQM6CAguEIAEELEDOggILhCxAxCRA joICAAQgAQQyQNQAFihIGCnQWgAcAB4AIABsgGIAckGkgEDNS4zmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz

[T Smith]

Thanks TOMKAT ..... answers some questions I had ....

3 of Trump's backers ... Swamp people ...


Sheldon Adeldon

https://www.google.com/search?q=sheldon+adelson&client=safari&channel=mac_bm&source=hp&ei=sJD_YrX7AcbZptQPzbSgqA0&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAYv-ewP2DmgUDn6l7IuvA7apb7tUfPfWW&oq=addelson&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYATIICAAQsQMQkQIyCAgAEB4QBxAKMggIABAeEAcQCjIICAAQHhAHEAoyCAgAEB4QBxAKMggIABAeE AcQCjIGCAAQHhAHMgYIABAeEAcyCgguEMcBEK8BEAoyCAgAEB4QBxAKOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARDRAzoECC4QQzoLCAAQgAQQs QMQgwE6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOgsILhCABBDHARDRAzoFCAAQgAQ6CAguELEDEIMBOgUILhCRAjoLCC4QsQMQgwEQkQI6BAgAE EM6DgguEIAEELEDEIMBENQCOg0ILhCABBDHARDRAxAKOgsILhCABBCxAxDUAjoICAAQgAQQsQM6BwgAEIAEEAo6CggAELEDEIMBE Ao6CgguEIAEENQCEAo6BAgAEAo6BwgAELEDEAo6DQguEIAEEMcBEK8BEAo6BAguEApQAFixHmCdmAFoAHAAeACAAYEBiAHwBpIBA zUuNJgBAKABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

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Wilbur Ross

https://www.google.com/search?q=wilbur+ross&client=safari&channel=mac_bm&ei=54__YvS_DpeYptQPprKeuAU&gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TewLDQsrzBg9OIuz8xJKi1SKMovLgYAWgAH2w&oq=wilbur+ross&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADILCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyB QgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQ6BwgAEEcQsAM6BwgAELADEEM6CggAEOQCELADGAE6DAguEMgDELADEEMYAjoHCC4QsQMQQzoIC AAQgAQQsQM6CggAELEDEIMBEEM6BQguEIAEOggILhCABBCxAzoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BwgAELEDEEM6DgguELEDEIMBEMcBEK8BO g4ILhCABBCxAxCDARDUAjoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QM6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToLCC4QxwEQrwEQkQI6BQgAEJECO gsILhCABBCxAxDUAkoECEEYAEoECEYYAVD8BljWHmDrQmgBcAF4AIABbYgBuwWSAQM2LjKYAQCgAQHIARLAAQHaAQYIARABGAnaA QYIAhABGAg&sclient=gws-wiz

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Alan Dershowitz

https://www.google.com/search?q=alan+dershowitz&client=safari&channel=mac_bm&source=hp&ei=F5L_YpmOJPTJptQPrL6OoAY&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAYv-gJ4qKlek1Me27nzGCS1SIdq92-pix&gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TewNC_MMjFg9OJPzEnMU0hJLSrOyC_PLKkCAHTvCSc&oq=alan+d&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIKCC4QsQMQgwEQQzILCAAQgAQQsQMQgwEyCAguEIAEELEDMgsILhCABBCxAxCDATIFCAAQgAQyD gguEIAEELEDEIMBENQCMgUIABCABDILCC4QgAQQxwEQrwEyBQgAEIAEMggILhCABBCxAzoECC4QQzoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0 QM6BwguENQCEEM6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOgsILhCABBDHARDRAzoICC4QsQMQgwE6CgguELEDENQCEEM6BAgAEEM6CAgAELEDE IMBOgsILhCxAxCDARCRAjoHCC4QsQMQQ1AAWPoiYLc7aABwAHgAgAGHAYgB1ASSAQM0LjKYAQCgAQE&sclient=gws-wiz#cobssid=s

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Alan Dershowitz supported Biden

[ramus]

Used. ... maybe wrong word ... I meant, those who helped him in his financial world...as Icke talked about in video.

[Mike Gorman]

You know what? David Icke is a decent alternative thinker who gained some insight, but he does not know everything, much of his thinking is second hand compilations from varying sources, he has fallen in love with himself as being a champion for truth - I have nothing against David Icke, but he can tend towards arrogance, and myopia at times. I don't consider Trump a 'swamp creature', but he knows how to get along with these critters, Trump is more like the old world American maverick self made millionaires, plus he has a genuine regard for working people and the plight of ordinary American people: but he is a very wealthy man and he flaunts his prestige self indulgently, he loves Golf (which I personally hate) he is definitely like the plutocrats from the 1930's, I think he is somewhat blind to the full scale of the globalist project and the WEF club, but he detests these people organically. I disagree with Icke, Trump is a champion for American populism, and he knows how to use his social networks, but he is not a Swamp Creature as we would describe this as being.

[mountain_jim]

I disagreed with Icke when he said Jimmy Carter was the most evil president (back in the day).

In my view JC was well meaning but clueless about the true evil of the CFR, deep state and globalist actors he appointed to all his key positions and listened to for advice.

Trump is no saint, but the elections/MSM/CIA/FBI/Justice Department corruption his presidency has exposed has had great value in awakening US citizens to just how close we are getting to losing the country to corrupt uniparty officials, evil globalist technocrats, and planet control planners, among others.

The saga is still playing out - time will tell - I reserve final judgement at this point.

[Open Minded Dude]

Trump might be a Swamp creature after all. But he is the most bearable since he is still an outsider to the other creatures. The 'good' Swamp Thing from the movie. Yes - He has pros and cons. Up- and downsides. At the end of the day for me he is the lesser evil of them all.

[ExomatrixTV]

You know what? David Icke is a decent alternative thinker who gained some insight, but he does not know everything, much of his thinking is second hand compilations from varying sources, he has fallen in love with himself as being a champion for truth - I have nothing against David Icke, but he can tend towards arrogance, and myopia at times. I don't consider Trump a 'swamp creature', but he knows how to get along with these critters, Trump is more like the old world American maverick self made millionaires, plus he has a genuine regard for working people and the plight of ordinary American people: but he is a very wealthy man and he flaunts his prestige self indulgently, he loves Golf (which I personally hate) he is definitely like the plutocrats from the 1930's, I think he is somewhat blind to the full scale of the globalist project and the WEF club, but he detests these people organically. I disagree with Icke, Trump is a champion for American populism, and he knows how to use his social networks, but he is not a Swamp Creature as we would describe this as being.


I second that ... personally met David Icke in 1994 & 1996 when we invited him to speak at our conference I co-organized in Amsterdam ... met him face to face in real life several times ... have great respect for him but he is not "all knowing" ... he falls short in really seeing the big picture what Trump has done ... and he was already not interested to find out about that as he sees Trump as a "side issue" of a "much bigger picture" ... so he loses sight on what Trump did that actually helped The United Sates of America and I am not even from the USA ... Am Dutch!

David Icke's mind about Trump was already made up from 2016 onward and he sticks to that (no matter what) because he assumes Trump is not really an outsider of the Globalists plans ... I respectfully disagree.


The way David Icke portrays Trump is very similar how MSM portrays David Icke ... very similar tactics ... really sad.
Trump is far from perfect so is Icke!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋��

[mountain_jim]

And MSM adds another with this article yesterday (though I agree that Trump's vax initiative and refusal to publicly admit the problem is not a point in his favor, and Desantis is making a strong case for an alternative to Trump)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11123751/Alex-Jones-dumps-Donald-Trump-Ron-DeSantis.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

Watch out, Ron! Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones says he has dumped Trump and now supports Florida governor because he has 'real sincerity'


Alex Jones has dumped Donald Trump for Ron DeSantis
InfoWars host and conspiracy theorist now backing Florida governor for the 2024 presidential race
DeSantis has not said he is running for president
Jones said Trump needs to be more like DeSantis
'We have someone that is better than Trump. Way better than Trump,' Jones said
He criticized former president for developing a covid vaccine


InfoWars host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has jettisoned his support for Donald Trump and is backing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for the 2024 presidential race.

Jones, who was recently ordered to pay $49.3 million to parents of a Sandy Hook school shooting victim in a defamation case, admitted he's 'pigheadedly' supported Trump throughout the years.

But, he said on his InfoWars podcast, he's now backing DeSantis, who is 'way better than Trump.'

Jones said he originally supported Trump because he wanted to keep Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden from becoming president. But he said he disagreed with the former president's Warp Speed initiative, which developed the covid vaccine.

'I've been persecuted like nothing in my life for supporting [Trump], and that made me kind of pigheadedly support him a few years ago even though I disagreed with his Warp Speed,' Jones said.

Jones is against the vaccine. DeSantis appointed a surgeon general named Joseph Ladapo, who has made public statements questioning the covid vaccine's effectiveness. The Florida governor also has forbid schools in his state from mandating covid vaccines.

'But that said, I am supporting DeSantis. DeSantis is just gone from being awesome to being unbelievably good ... He's getting red-pilled more and more each day ... I'm a DeSantis guy,' he noted.

'Red-pilled' is a reference to the film The Matrix that is used by the right-wing to describe a person becoming conservative.

'I thought that we had to keep [Trump] in office because of the nightmare scenario if Hillary or Biden got in,' Jones said. 'With that said, I am supporting DeSantis. DeSantis has just gone from being awesome to being unbelievably good. And I don't just watch a man's actions, as Christ said. Judge a tree by its fruits. I can also look in his eyes on HD video and I see the real sincerity.'

He said DeSantis, who won the office of Florida governor largely thanks to Trump's support, is who Trump should emulate.

'This is what Trump should be like. And I've been hammering this point, and he's doing it now. And we have someone that is better than Trump. Way better than Trump,' Jones said.

Neither Trump nor DeSantis has said they are running for president in 2024. Trump has hinted at it but DeSantis has said he is focused on his re-election bid this year.

Both men have topped recent polling on a hypothetical 2024 Republican primary.

But a Florida poll released Tuesday saw DeSantis with a slight lead over the former president.

< rest at link >

[ExomatrixTV]

And MSM adds another with this article yesterday (though I agree that Trump's vax initiative and refusal to publicly admit the problem is not a point in his favor, and Desantis is making a strong case for an alternative to Trump)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11123751/Alex-Jones-dumps-Donald-Trump-Ron-DeSantis.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

Watch out, Ron! Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones says he has dumped Trump and now supports Florida governor because he has 'real sincerity'



Alex Jones has dumped Donald Trump for Ron DeSantis
InfoWars host and conspiracy theorist now backing Florida governor for the 2024 presidential race
DeSantis has not said he is running for president
Jones said Trump needs to be more like DeSantis
'We have someone that is better than Trump. Way better than Trump,' Jones said
He criticized former president for developing a covid vaccine



InfoWars host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has jettisoned his support for Donald Trump and is backing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for the 2024 presidential race.

Jones, who was recently ordered to pay $49.3 million to parents of a Sandy Hook school shooting victim in a defamation case, admitted he's 'pigheadedly' supported Trump throughout the years.

But, he said on his InfoWars podcast, he's now backing DeSantis, who is 'way better than Trump.'

Jones said he originally supported Trump because he wanted to keep Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden from becoming president. But he said he disagreed with the former president's Warp Speed initiative, which developed the covid vaccine.

'I've been persecuted like nothing in my life for supporting [Trump], and that made me kind of pigheadedly support him a few years ago even though I disagreed with his Warp Speed,' Jones said.

Jones is against the vaccine. DeSantis appointed a surgeon general named Joseph Ladapo, who has made public statements questioning the covid vaccine's effectiveness. The Florida governor also has forbid schools in his state from mandating covid vaccines.

'But that said, I am supporting DeSantis. DeSantis is just gone from being awesome to being unbelievably good ... He's getting red-pilled more and more each day ... I'm a DeSantis guy,' he noted.

'Red-pilled' is a reference to the film The Matrix that is used by the right-wing to describe a person becoming conservative.

'I thought that we had to keep [Trump] in office because of the nightmare scenario if Hillary or Biden got in,' Jones said. 'With that said, I am supporting DeSantis. DeSantis has just gone from being awesome to being unbelievably good. And I don't just watch a man's actions, as Christ said. Judge a tree by its fruits. I can also look in his eyes on HD video and I see the real sincerity.'

He said DeSantis, who won the office of Florida governor largely thanks to Trump's support, is who Trump should emulate.

'This is what Trump should be like. And I've been hammering this point, and he's doing it now. And we have someone that is better than Trump. Way better than Trump,' Jones said.

Neither Trump nor DeSantis has said they are running for president in 2024. Trump has hinted at it but DeSantis has said he is focused on his re-election bid this year.

Both men have topped recent polling on a hypothetical 2024 Republican primary.

But a Florida poll released Tuesday saw DeSantis with a slight lead over the former president.

< rest at link >


most of the above can be seen & studied here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113668-Vaccination-Injuries-On-Record-for-Covid19&p=1512894&viewfull=1#post1512894) :thumbsup:

[T Smith]

Trump is a narcissist. Not a swamp creature (IMHO). Meaning his ego is what dictates his actions, not the swamp (e.g., think Warp Speed).

It seems clear to me the swamp creatures employed Trump as an asset. Stroking his ego, in a time of public panic, and delivering for a panicked public where no other politician could, is what motivated Trump's Warp Speed actions. Cajoling Trump to surround himself and appoint various Deep State (double) agents who would later stab him in the back was bad judgement, but that doesn't necessarily mean his judgement came from the depths of the swamp. In other words, he was carrying their water alright, but it seems clear to me based on his other actions (and the actions of those who opposed him) that he was not carrying their water as a dutiful servant, but rather, as a dupe.

That is what it is, and something entirely different from a swamp creature.

[Waldo]

Every time I doubt Trump I recall his earlier days and interviews with major news personalities, he has not ever changed his message and I believe he loves America and and hates the direction it is going as all of us here do. Just my $.02

[TelosianEmbrace]

Trump has done many good deeds, actions a swamp creature would choke on.

https://gopdailybrief.com/acts-kindness-trump-deeds/

Dershowitz is amongst the worst of the slime creatures. A pedophile, a liar, and God knows what else.

.https://meaww.com/where-victoria-roberts-giuffre-claimed-alan-dershowitz-had-sex-with-her-at-16-lawsuit

[Mike Gorman]

Trump is a narcissist. Not a swamp creature (IMHO). Meaning his ego is what dictates his actions, not the swamp (e.g., think Warp Speed).

It seems clear to me the swamp creatures employed Trump as an asset. Stroking his ego, in a time of public panic, and delivering for a panicked public where no other politician could, is what motivated Trump's Warp Speed actions. Cajoling Trump to surround himself and appoint various Deep State (double) agents who would later stab him in the back was bad judgement, but that doesn't necessarily mean his judgement came from the depths of the swamp. In other words, he was carrying their water alright, but it seems clear to me based on his other actions (and the actions of those who opposed him) that he was not carrying their water as a dutiful servant, but rather, as a dupe.

That is what it is, and something entirely different from a swamp creature.

Very concisely, and powerfully stated T Smith! (for what that is worth) I agree 100%

[onawah]

Don't forget Trump was all for persecuting (even assassinating) Julian Assange.
Dark Journalist talked about that in his latest episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWI3z6unM3Q
...much of which was about Trump, as some of his latest shows have been.

[rgray222]

Whether or not Trump is part of the swamp can easily be discovered by understanding his effect on his own political party (Republican). Even before he won the primary the Never Trump Movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Trump_movement) sprang to life. It was and still is today a movement comprised of well-established Republicans that wanted life to stay the same. These are the fat cats that wield power, living in gated communities, giving out and receiving obscenely lucrative government contracts. These are the heavyweights that profit from war. These are the politicians that have given their families a golden ticket on the gravy train express, such as Biden, Pelosi, Kerry and Bush etc. It is here that the line between Democrat and Republican begins to merge into one. These are the long-term career politicians that learned how to game the system and seize the money-making committee seats and chairs. These are the politicians like Mitch McConnell, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer that threaten the newly elected congress members and senators that if they don't play the game by their rules they will never see a dollar of party reelection money and their time as politicians will be meaningless. This threat is real, well entrenched and effective.

The truth becomes clear when we do away with the Democrat and Republican labels. It is now the well-established political apparatus vs those that favour term limits and the removal of the money (read lobbyist) completely from politics. They want to dispense with insider trading and are willing to enact laws preventing families of politicians from getting rich. They are also prepared to address the contentious but necessary critical step to revamp the committees for a better distribution of power and money.

Trump changed the political landscape in ways that are still being measured.
1. He exposed the Democrats as a party of elitists who have made their power off the backs of minorities.
2. He exposed the Republican Party as a party of well-healed and well-established fat cats that never really wanted change.
3. He exposed the established politicians on both sides as globalists. Easily proven by looking to the border, neither party wants to fix this problem but Trump actually tried.
4. He showed the world that these well-established (corrupt) politicians would use any means to stop him, ie FBI, DOJ, IRS, CIA and even the postal service.
5. He exposed the mainstream media as a group of political activists with a hive mind set supporting well-established politicians regardless of party. He exposed the media as painfully flawed and deeply dishonest.
6. He showed Americans and the world that the system is rigged to favour those in power and they will use any means within their grasp to hold onto it.

Is Trump the perfect president, no, not by a long shot?
Could he do things differently that appeal to more people, sure but that is not who he is?
Has he taken some stances on issues like Assange that people are upset with, sure but he will never be all things to all people.

Trump has done a great job peeling back the veneer of the swamp and exposing it for what it truly is. Saying Trump is part of the swamp is like saying globalists have people's best interests at heart,

[Ratszinger]

Icke is not wrong. Trump is a swamp critter but even other swamp critters hate him and want him gone. That to me is why so many are going Trump. They are even changing their minds in my own neighborhood now after this FBI fiasco. I never ever thought I'd see this! Democrats and staunch dems are now for Trump on my street. Their reason? They say they've never seen their side of the aisle so fear a man they would take a civil matter and try to make it criminal! They know their side is about to lose and lose big on this and taht if they would do this so he must be good and they are bad. They think now that Trump is good! Go figure. I've never trusted him personally but it is obvious that even his own swamp critters that used to cuddle up to him now have turned. In this process they've awakened the masses to the fact there has been a lot of attacks and they've lost all of them. He has taken down the Bushes, the Clintons, and now the Cheney's and everyone he supports gets nominated for the most part!

[mountain_jim]

I include an excerpt here from a post I made elsewhere:

After Obama I said I would never 'vote' again, but cast a 2016 vote for Trump just to issue an F You to the system and to the Bush/Clinton family's machines.

As far as voting to (philosophically) throw an entertaining spanner in the works, I thought the Trump vote was well worth it. :)


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Definition of put/throw a spanner in the works (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/put%2Fthrow%20a%20spanner%20in%20the%20works)
informal
: to cause something to not go as planned

We were ready to start the project when the bank threw a spanner in the works by denying the loan.

[thepainterdoug]

Mike Gorman 100% spot on. THANK YOU

Who is the perfect President? Name one ? In fact , how many people with a fantastically blessed life having everything, would ruin it all and put themselves in the job of being President of this country??

I play golf, and on July 4th played at Trumps Bedminster course. I never met a greater group of people from staff to members, everyone a gentleman, everyone kind and helpful, everyone fantastic in a place that was impeccable.
And during lunch, I sat 3 tables away from Trump and his guests, and he wished me a happy 4th as I did him.
My friend is a member and sees him every week. Like golf or not he is a fantastic golfer and golf takes great skill and measure. Thats why business and people are evaluated on the golf course not on the drag strip.

Trump is a family man, loves his family and his country and wants his country preserved for his family and their children.
CASE CLOSED!

Did anyone ever hear of keep your friends close and you enemies closer? Does anyone have any idea the mine field he has to walk thru?
Has anyone ever been in high places when pics are being taken of you and every character is wanting in the pic, associating with you for whatever reason good or bad?

TO BE A POLITICIAN MEANS YOU MUST BE A LIAR. PERIOD! Thats the definition. Its a matter of the compromise you make and the reasoning regarding those calculations for the big picture.

RGRAY 222 Thank you! David Icke can kiss my arse. Let him step up and find out.

Im not happy with a number of things about Trump. The jabb, Jan 6th prisoners, Assange and so on. But how does he calculate what he should or shouldn't do and associate with when looking at the larger goal?
And can a president take care of everyone? it's ridiculous to think so.
And how does he trust a pack of wolves presenting themselves as allies when the lions share of them are threatened by his presence and want him gone? He being an outsider is his greatest asset to us!

i agree with Nigel Farrage, Trump is the bravest man he ever met!

[7he5ource]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUHRf-cqfSU
Back To The Future Writer Says Biff Was Based On Donald Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKzHD_yP3mM
TRUMP IS THE SWAMP Trump's Jewish Elite MAFIA and The 5 Dancing Israelis 2017 (TMR)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anti-trump-shill
Donald Trump is a Pedophile - The Facts


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEMWSVgMyBs
Donald Trump appears to 'curtsey' to Saudi king after mocking Barack Obama for bowing - DAILY NEWS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaBDgPMzLuE
Donald Trump: "Hillary is a great friend of mine" (2008)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_88oPzTWRo
The Trumps and Clintons: A story of friendship


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mizt5F_GmhM
The Boss Baby (2017) - Is the Boss Baby Trump? Alec Baldwin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAF-rGuQgng
Is Trump Being Blackmailed ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RebnZVkQ-pc
EXPOSED! Trump's Son-in-Law Is Financed By George Soros


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anti-trump-shill
The truth about the rape lawsuit against Trump. + Epstein, Bill Clinton, and the Lolita Express.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gNk2wg7Xo8
Meet the Billionaire Pedophile Pal of Trump, Clinton, Prince Andrew


FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN CHAIR JUST ARRESTED FOR CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING — DURING THE CAMPAIGN
The Washington Standard / April 27, 2017 / 243
http://spam/fmr-trump-campaign-chair...king-campaign/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usGAeBMDUoM
Donald Trump and Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein (LIP)
Wonder why Donald Trump has never brought up the Clinton connection to pedophile Jeffrey Epstein ? Simply because Trump himself has declared that Epstein's "taste" for 'younger women" is great.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lbb1EViNXI
Donald Trump & The Clintons "Pedophile Island"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l98qPCiaWNU
Is Donald Trump A Pedophile...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=971zVjyj2LI
Trump porn video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HzOqZeX3Yk
Alex Jones Of 'Infowars,' Conspiracy Theories, And Trump Campaign (Full) | Megyn Kelly | NBC News


pro-American ?
http://www.businessinsider.com/begin...dering-2014-10
Invanka's Chinese sweatshop

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119198-Conspiracy-THEORY&p=1513318#post1513318

[thepainterdoug]

The 5 source

I sure hope all these reports are trustworthy, without a motive to lie? I don't doubt Trump visited Ep Island. However I don't believe he is a pedo. it is possible to visit a place and not partake in an an illegal act, is it not ? I have been around drug users and didnt use.
And by the way, I have a love for younger women as well. NOT OF AN ILLEGAL AGE.

[jaybee]

Did anyone ever hear of keep your friends close and you enemies closer? Does anyone have any idea the mine field he has to walk thru?

~~~~~~~~~~~~

RGRAY 222 Thank you! David Icke can kiss my arse. Let him step up and find out.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i agree with Nigel Farrage, Trump is the bravest man he ever met!

Good post and points made... just snipped three out to comment...

It has to be said that there's a big difference between being a political analyst and commentator (Icke) and being a politician with powerful and extremely dangerous enemies around you on a day to day basis... (Trump)

Trump was at more of a disadvantage than others getting into the top job because he came from nowhere and had never taken political office before at any level.... the President can only serve for 2 terms while everyone else can go on and on for many decades if they play their cards right and can then live a lucrative life as a professional politician - so Trump had to step into a world where all the players - in all the institutions, not just the House or Senate, have had plenty of time to form alliances and build up their power base and play all the games that are played with all the billions/trillions of dollars sloshing around... the lack of term limits is a death knell for democracy .... they should all just have two terms and actually SERVE the people rather than serve their own careers and finances... (this goes for all representative democracies IMO - and Democratic Republics.. )

One has to be realistic about what it must be like trying to do the job of president with all the crap and disrespect Trump has had to endure 24/7.... the PSYOP against him has been going on relentlessly for years and yes there are serious things he has fallen down on but I suppose he's picking his battles..... and basically trying to survive to fight (for America) another day...

[7he5ource]

The 5 source

I sure hope all these reports are trustworthy, without a motive to lie? I don't doubt Trump visited Ep Island. However I don't believe he is a pedo. it is possible to visit a place and not partake in an an illegal act, is it not ? I have been around drug users and didnt use.
And by the way, I have a love for younger women as well. NOT OF AN ILLEGAL AGE.

they pertain to the topic ... i cannot verify YouTube videos
but read the texts ... can a casino owner [casinos used for $ laundering] investigated for his Russian mob ties be trusted to clean corruption?
there is more on my thread https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119198-Conspiracy-THEORY&p=1513329#post1513329
also watching the youtubes wan't my research on trump, it was from sept - the jan 20 inauguration.
i researched his whole life.
ive worked in film in LA and asked about BIFF which was verified.
i cross - reference everything i do i have to i'm published in non-fiction and intelligence analysis.
[big brother, we're watching you]

so some of those YouTubeS are very accurate perhaps not all, as far as Epstein goes Trump was too close for comfort, he associated closely with Epstein from casino days till the scandal/arrest THIS IS INDISPUTABLE ...
i don't accuse him of anything but his association with Hillary is fake as portrayed by media and the campaign
they are almost as close as a married couple with all the trauma/drama/baggage it comes with.

I have a thread on another forum titles POLITICS IS FOR STUPID PEOPLE so you can see 1'm not too political except as an intelligence operations analyst.


edit from that thread
QUOTE:

[I]Trump BROKE IN to her emails using Russian Mafia contacts (from money Laundering days in Casino) which is the digital version of Richard Nixon's break-in to democratic headquarters! Now he cries foul; that FBI broke into HIS Mar a Lago Mansion = Hypocrisy ?

[thepainterdoug]

7he5 source, your name is a tongue twister for a dyslexic. lol

you sound like a smart person. Hey what do I know? What does anyone really know except what they heard from others unless they were a direct witness to the event. and even then there is personal interpretation.

i look at the results. we had energy independence, no initiated wars, a border under control, a good market , low gas prices and he went after pharma drug prices among other things.

it's a bitch of a job, thats why the best and brightest don't go near it. Ill take what i refer to as, " the evil of the two lessors"

thanks bud
d

[7he5ource]

7he5 source, your name is a tongue twister for a dyslexic. lol

you sound like a smart person. Hey what do I know? What does anyone really know except what they heard from others unless they were a direct witness to the event. and even then there is personal interpretation.

i look at the results. we had energy independence, no initiated wars, a border under control, a good market , low gas prices and he went after pharma drug prices among other things.

it's a bitch of a job, thats why the best and brightest don't go near it. Ill take what i refer to as, " the evil of the two lessors"

thanks bud
d

There were "3" USA parties.
I know what I personally experience that includes [often] getting on a plane and flying into the event location = boots on ground.
Please don't call me bud.
WE also know things when they are in context of a chronological order of events, so someone watching for 50 years [closely] will be able to assemble a big picture better that someone without background or short memory.
These ppl operate under pretext of "There's a sucker born every minute" [= born yesterday] playing/preying on lack of knowledge and short memory, and a lust for "instant gratification".
The spooks attempted to recruit me for several reasons, 1 being photographic memory.
There are no lesser evils! All these supposed competitors for elected office [fake] are working as a unit, any separation is a veil.

[TomKat]

Alex Jones and Mike Adams criticize Trump's promotion of the mrna va. Not exactly the behaviour of someone who wants to overthrow the deep state


https://www.bitchute.com/video/aNZJ4F4derD3//

[thepainterdoug]

please call me, irresponsible...


and uncle joe? you're on board with the Joe Hunter con? can you fill me in on these people now that you have trashed Trump?

[TomKat]

The 5 source

I sure hope all these reports are trustworthy, without a motive to lie? I don't doubt Trump visited Ep Island. However I don't believe he is a pedo. it is possible to visit a place and not partake in an an illegal act, is it not ? I have been around drug users and didnt use.
And by the way, I have a love for younger women as well. NOT OF AN ILLEGAL AGE.
Some people are trying to equate teen prostitution with pedophilia, but it's not. And I agree, 18 is plenty young, can't see someone going for 16 year olds.

[thepainterdoug]

Tom Kat What are the legalities? when can u buy beer? when can u drive? when can you have sex? when can you get drafted and take a bullet?
These are what we go by, laws , regardless of moral views

My last girl friend who I loved dearly was 35 years younger than me. We got along wonderfully, and after 8 great years life took us in different directions .

[TomKat]

Tom Kat What are the legalities? when can u buy beer? when can u drive? when can you have sex? when can you get drafted and take a bullet?
These are what we go by, laws , regardless of moral views

My last girl friend who I loved dearly was 35 years younger than me. We got along wonderfully, and after 8 great years life took us in different directions .

What legalities are you talking about? 18 is the age of consent in the US. Not sure about on Epstein Island.

[thepainterdoug]

Yes Tom thats all I was saying. There are laws, what is legal.
I dont know anything about what went on regarding Epstein Island.

[onawah]

The Tom and Jerry Show :jester:

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(Anyone whose mentor was the original swamp creature himself, Roy Kohn, is sure to have developed some of the same traits.
Sure, Trump looks like the lesser of two evils, though I hope DeSantis is the GOP candidate instead, which at least would help reduce the division andbring some youth and strength and real purpose to the office of POTUS.
But to make Trump out to be such a hero is a good indicator of what a terrible crossroads we are in at this point.
It's like the Stockholm Syndrome enmasse.
If he does get arrested, it may be karmic payback for his backing of the persection of Assange, of Gain of Function, for his Warp Speed policy and more, though I don't see how the Dems could make it stick without risking the same thing happening to someone on the Dem side, and I think they're smart enought to see that much, at least.
Anyway, it's good to hear the perspective of a young guy like AnOmaly for a change, to get some idea of how jaded by comparison we in the older generations must seem from a younger perspective .

[Bayareamom]

I am just going to post this one reply and that'll be it for me. But I truly feel compelled, from the heart, to say the following:

First, I want to make it clear that I have never, ever voted for a U.S. president. I am registered to vote, but I have never voted. I haven't voted because I simply do not believe in the two-party system. I do believe in freedom of speech, but that just does not exist within our own political parties. Should any one individual within either one of our two parties disagree with the majority, their lives are made a living hell. There IS NO true freedom of speech within our own political party system, so how can there truly be freedom of speech anywhere else in this country. I have known, and accepted this, since I was just 18 years old. I was thoroughly chastised by a good friend of mine when in high school as she just could not understand just why I would not exercise my right to vote. I tried to explain to her that even back then, I realized that our government system(s), including our political factions, are corrupted to the core, and therefore, I would not accept 'authority' from any one individual in these systems, over me and my life. And I have adhered to this mindset throughout my life.

So having said that, I also told a friend, who recently passed away, that to ME, the 'choice' (and I use that term loosely when applied herein) between voting for Biden or Trump was akin to asking me to vote for Hitler or Satan. Either one was completely distasteful to me.

I have stated, years ago, on this forum, on a couple of occasions, what my family background is with government (and I will not go into that yet again, here). But one of you, who shall remain nameless, knows my story. In full. And I assure you, that everything I have shared with you is the truth. Yet, if you no longer accept or believe what I have shared with you, that is entirely up to you. It matters not whether you no longer believe, or accept, any or some, as to what I shared. I bear no grudge with you, either way.

So having said the above, I decided to listen to what David Icke had to say, above. IMHO, he is absolutely correct. I am SO glad I took the time to listen to him; during his very eloquent speech, the lessons he provides with all of this are precisely those that I have had to learn, and to accept, in my own life, when dealing with a certain individual as well. It has not been easy. I love her and I always will. But I have made many, many mistakes with her and have allowed her to manipulate and control me because I wanted to BELIEVE HER when she says certain things to me. This is starting to get very personal, so I will stop.

But I would beg of you all to not only view what David Icke has to say about Trump, but please, please, please, just view, if you've not already, at least a couple of the J6 hearings. Set aside your own political belief systems (not easy to do I know) and LISTEN. I have viewed every single one of those hearings and intend on purchasing the DVD set of those hearings when they become available. To ME, I truly believe that every single voting age American should view these hearings. THEN form your opinion about Trump, after. And that would be fair.

Lest we get on the topic of Liz Cheney/Adam Kinzinger: I don't trust either one of them - they're politicians. BUT IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, LIZ CHENEY AND KINZINGER ARE RIGHT ON THE MARK imho.

Trump is not at all who and what he seems. As Icke so eloquently states, Trump's mission is NOT to drain the swam - HE IS SWIMMING IN IT.

I know this message will anger perhaps a good many folks over here and I truly don't mean to anger any of you. But the fact remains that there are many 'truths' down here (earth) that are not at all pleasant. "This World is not as it seems,' my Dad used to tell me. He also used to say, "Timing is everything," and "Things will happen when you least expect it."

He was a very, very wise man. I loved him dearly. He knew things about this world on a very deep level that most people at the time he said these things to me would not have understood (on a picnic table long ago for over three hours - broke his NDA in part to speak to me which I will be forever grateful for).

Anyway - I will get off my soapbox now. Sorry about that. But certain things, I feel, just needed to be said.

BAM

[pabranno]

Good to see you again, BAM🤗

[jaybee]

But I would beg of you all to not only view what David Icke has to say about Trump, but please, please, please, just view, if you've not already, at least a couple of the J6 hearings. Set aside your own political belief systems (not easy to do I know) and LISTEN. I have viewed every single one of those hearings and intend on purchasing the DVD set of those hearings when they become available. To ME, I truly believe that every single voting age American should view these hearings. THEN form your opinion about Trump, after. And that would be fair.



I find it rather paradoxical that you have such a deep distrust of the political system that you have never voted in a presidential election but have great confidence in the Jan 6th hearings to the point of buying the DVDs...

I confess that I haven't watched any of the Jan 6th hearing stuff but I have heard it dismissed in different quarters as a Show Trial where it's basically rigged and only one side is allowed to be expressed -

I too have never voted in a Presidential Election but that's because I'm not American :) - in the UK I'm a floating voter and try to find someone to vote for in local and national elections because even though the whole system is rotten and riddled with corruption.... what's the alternative?... basically a dictatorship of some kind... once in a while a vote makes something dramatic happen and I think the vote for Brexit in Britain and a vote for Trump in America were two such voting moments that changed things.... even though the backlash is strong and ongoing....

[Ratszinger]

I am just going to post this one reply and that'll be it for me. But I truly feel compelled, from the heart, to say the following:

First, I want to make it clear that I have never, ever voted for a U.S. president. I am registered to vote, but I have never voted. I haven't voted because I simply do not believe in the two-party system. I do believe in freedom of speech, but that just does not exist within our own political parties. Should any one individual within either one of our two parties disagree with the majority, their lives are made a living hell. There IS NO true freedom of speech within our own political party system, so how can there truly be freedom of speech anywhere else in this country. I have known, and accepted this, since I was just 18 years old. I was thoroughly chastised by a good friend of mine when in high school as she just could not understand just why I would not exercise my right to vote. I tried to explain to her that even back then, I realized that our government system(s), including our political factions, are corrupted to the core, and therefore, I would not accept 'authority' from any one individual in these systems, over me and my life. And I have adhered to this mindset throughout my life.

So having said that, I also told a friend, who recently passed away, that to ME, the 'choice' (and I use that term loosely when applied herein) between voting for Biden or Trump was akin to asking me to vote for Hitler or Satan. Either one was completely distasteful to me.

I have stated, years ago, on this forum, on a couple of occasions, what my family background is with government (and I will not go into that yet again, here). But one of you, who shall remain nameless, knows my story. In full. And I assure you, that everything I have shared with you is the truth. Yet, if you no longer accept or believe what I have shared with you, that is entirely up to you. It matters not whether you no longer believe, or accept, any or some, as to what I shared. I bear no grudge with you, either way.

So having said the above, I decided to listen to what David Icke had to say, above. IMHO, he is absolutely correct. I am SO glad I took the time to listen to him; during his very eloquent speech, the lessons he provides with all of this are precisely those that I have had to learn, and to accept, in my own life, when dealing with a certain individual as well. It has not been easy. I love her and I always will. But I have made many, many mistakes with her and have allowed her to manipulate and control me because I wanted to BELIEVE HER when she says certain things to me. This is starting to get very personal, so I will stop.

But I would beg of you all to not only view what David Icke has to say about Trump, but please, please, please, just view, if you've not already, at least a couple of the J6 hearings. Set aside your own political belief systems (not easy to do I know) and LISTEN. I have viewed every single one of those hearings and intend on purchasing the DVD set of those hearings when they become available. To ME, I truly believe that every single voting age American should view these hearings. THEN form your opinion about Trump, after. And that would be fair.

Lest we get on the topic of Liz Cheney/Adam Kinzinger: I don't trust either one of them - they're politicians. BUT IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, LIZ CHENEY AND KINZINGER ARE RIGHT ON THE MARK imho.

Trump is not at all who and what he seems. As Icke so eloquently states, Trump's mission is NOT to drain the swam - HE IS SWIMMING IN IT.

I know this message will anger perhaps a good many folks over here and I truly don't mean to anger any of you. But the fact remains that there are many 'truths' down here (earth) that are not at all pleasant. "This World is not as it seems,' my Dad used to tell me. He also used to say, "Timing is everything," and "Things will happen when you least expect it."

He was a very, very wise man. I loved him dearly. He knew things about this world on a very deep level that most people at the time he said these things to me would not have understood (on a picnic table long ago for over three hours - broke his NDA in part to speak to me which I will be forever grateful for).

Anyway - I will get off my soapbox now. Sorry about that. But certain things, I feel, just needed to be said.

BAM

The Jan 6th hearings which I also watched completely were a joke! It is a kangeroo court where Trump didn't even get a defense! How you can support this, let alone buy the collection tells me you need your head examined quite seriously and I do not mean to attack but you have not one idea of what they have done here to think the way you are thinking! Icke is correct that Trump is from the same swamp as all the other critters but what stands out to me is how biased you are to favoring this abuse of Trump when I strongly suspect if the same treatment was done to the democrats you'd have a completely different take on the entire matter!! If Trump were the prez and he raided Biden's home I'd bet you'd be a completely different story on this!!

[Ratszinger]

The 5 source

I sure hope all these reports are trustworthy, without a motive to lie? I don't doubt Trump visited Ep Island. However I don't believe he is a pedo. it is possible to visit a place and not partake in an an illegal act, is it not ? I have been around drug users and didnt use.
And by the way, I have a love for younger women as well. NOT OF AN ILLEGAL AGE.

Epstien was looking and always on the hunt for another extortion to control someone fromt his or her own dirty laundry or deviant behaviour in private settings! Once he had that he controlled them! He never got that on Trump or we'd know about it. The other thing to me is that the people Epstein got dirt on are all being protected and Trump is not being protected which should obviously (you would think) awaken one to realize they never had anything on Donald J. Trump or they'd have used it for policital or diplomatic favors. Trump is clean or they'd have him by now after six years of attacks. So far all those that have attacked Trump from Alec Balwin to Cheney's daughter, the Bushes, McCainn's and more have all paid the price for tangling with the guy!! This will not change. What many miss is that Biden by his action here to disregard prez privelege means that when Trump gets back into the oval office come Nov he now has a green light to open the books on every past prez including Joe the dumb ass that opened the door to his own discovery!!

[Satori]

I am just going to post this one reply and that'll be it for me. But I truly feel compelled, from the heart, to say the following:

First, I want to make it clear that I have never, ever voted for a U.S. president. I am registered to vote, but I have never voted. I haven't voted because I simply do not believe in the two-party system. I do believe in freedom of speech, but that just does not exist within our own political parties. Should any one individual within either one of our two parties disagree with the majority, their lives are made a living hell. There IS NO true freedom of speech within our own political party system, so how can there truly be freedom of speech anywhere else in this country. I have known, and accepted this, since I was just 18 years old. I was thoroughly chastised by a good friend of mine when in high school as she just could not understand just why I would not exercise my right to vote. I tried to explain to her that even back then, I realized that our government system(s), including our political factions, are corrupted to the core, and therefore, I would not accept 'authority' from any one individual in these systems, over me and my life. And I have adhered to this mindset throughout my life.

So having said that, I also told a friend, who recently passed away, that to ME, the 'choice' (and I use that term loosely when applied herein) between voting for Biden or Trump was akin to asking me to vote for Hitler or Satan. Either one was completely distasteful to me.

I have stated, years ago, on this forum, on a couple of occasions, what my family background is with government (and I will not go into that yet again, here). But one of you, who shall remain nameless, knows my story. In full. And I assure you, that everything I have shared with you is the truth. Yet, if you no longer accept or believe what I have shared with you, that is entirely up to you. It matters not whether you no longer believe, or accept, any or some, as to what I shared. I bear no grudge with you, either way.

So having said the above, I decided to listen to what David Icke had to say, above. IMHO, he is absolutely correct. I am SO glad I took the time to listen to him; during his very eloquent speech, the lessons he provides with all of this are precisely those that I have had to learn, and to accept, in my own life, when dealing with a certain individual as well. It has not been easy. I love her and I always will. But I have made many, many mistakes with her and have allowed her to manipulate and control me because I wanted to BELIEVE HER when she says certain things to me. This is starting to get very personal, so I will stop.

But I would beg of you all to not only view what David Icke has to say about Trump, but please, please, please, just view, if you've not already, at least a couple of the J6 hearings. Set aside your own political belief systems (not easy to do I know) and LISTEN. I have viewed every single one of those hearings and intend on purchasing the DVD set of those hearings when they become available. To ME, I truly believe that every single voting age American should view these hearings. THEN form your opinion about Trump, after. And that would be fair.

Lest we get on the topic of Liz Cheney/Adam Kinzinger: I don't trust either one of them - they're politicians. BUT IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, LIZ CHENEY AND KINZINGER ARE RIGHT ON THE MARK imho.

Trump is not at all who and what he seems. As Icke so eloquently states, Trump's mission is NOT to drain the swam - HE IS SWIMMING IN IT.

I know this message will anger perhaps a good many folks over here and I truly don't mean to anger any of you. But the fact remains that there are many 'truths' down here (earth) that are not at all pleasant. "This World is not as it seems,' my Dad used to tell me. He also used to say, "Timing is everything," and "Things will happen when you least expect it."

He was a very, very wise man. I loved him dearly. He knew things about this world on a very deep level that most people at the time he said these things to me would not have understood (on a picnic table long ago for over three hours - broke his NDA in part to speak to me which I will be forever grateful for).

Anyway - I will get off my soapbox now. Sorry about that. But certain things, I feel, just needed to be said.

BAM

Thank you for sharing your heart-felt views. I respectfully disagree with a few of your specific points, but not with your overall perspective.

[Bayareamom]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Bayareamom]

Hi Ratsinger,

With all due respect, these hearings are not LEGAL proceedings; they are simply a template within which to show the American people what transpired that day, why that occurred, how it occurred, etc. Again, this is not a court of law. As Liz Cheney has stated, it is NOT up to the J6 Committee to decide the legal ramifications as to all of whom were involved in the events that transpired that day. That will be left up to the DOJ, which is also conducting its own investigation into events that day.

And yes - I absolutely support these hearings and have learned much.

[Ratszinger]

Hi Ratsinger,

With all due respect, these hearings are not LEGAL proceedings; they are simply a template within which to show the American people what transpired that day, why that occurred, how it occurred, etc. Again, this is not a court of law. As Liz Cheney has stated, it is NOT up to the J6 Committee to decide the legal ramifications as to all of whom were involved in the events that transpired that day. That will be left up to the DOJ, which is also conducting its own investigation into events that day.

And yes - I absolutely support these hearings and have learned much.

I stand by my previous statements. When the left though Trump was one of them they ware all silent and supportive and welcoming. Now when they sudenly find out he wasn't one of them they start all this! That alone tells you at the least if he was one of them, a "Swamp Critter" they hid his deviance and protected him! When they discovered he was not what they thought they didn't protect him! That alone tells you they are all crooked and untrustworthy and that they protect their own! Leverage runs the district of corruption and they have not found anything that can stick on DJT as of this writing and the DOJ and FBI have been politically weaponized if you care to notice!! The entire thing is shameful! And I don't even like Trump!

[T Smith]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Hi BAM, I second what Satori said above. The sincerity of your post actually prompted me to go back and listen to David Icke's presentation carefully. Icke has argued Trump was an entrenched swamp creature from the beginning, even before we observed any of his political deeds. Moreover, Icke believes Trump is cleverly duping (conning) the public as a populist champion. This, of course, is true of all politicians/swamp creatures to some degree. So doubling down on that position by citing DJT's shortcomings, namely his hand in the execution of Warp Speed, comes as no surprise.

And while, yes, I do align with some of Icke's criticisms of Trump, I do disagree with his overall assessment of those criticisms. Sometimes if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

Other times, upon more critical analysis, it's really just a coot...

[thepainterdoug]

We will all get a couple choices come the mid terms and 2024. Ive seen enough from the woke liberal left to go with Trump, Desantis, and anyone in the ballpark that will stop this insanity.
And if you ask , what insanity? you have been successfully snatched.

[T Smith]

The 5 source

I sure hope all these reports are trustworthy, without a motive to lie? I don't doubt Trump visited Ep Island. However I don't believe he is a pedo. it is possible to visit a place and not partake in an an illegal act, is it not ? I have been around drug users and didnt use.
And by the way, I have a love for younger women as well. NOT OF AN ILLEGAL AGE.

Epstien was looking and always on the hunt for another extortion to control someone fromt his or her own dirty laundry or deviant behaviour in private settings! Once he had that he controlled them! He never got that on Trump or we'd know about it. The other thing to me is that the people Epstein got dirt on are all being protected and Trump is not being protected which should obviously (you would think) awaken one to realize they never had anything on Donald J. Trump or they'd have used it for policital or diplomatic favors. Trump is clean or they'd have him by now after six years of attacks. So far all those that have attacked Trump from Alec Balwin to Cheney's daughter, the Bushes, McCainn's and more have all paid the price for tangling with the guy!! This will not change. What many miss is that Biden by his action here to disregard prez privelege means that when Trump gets back into the oval office come Nov he now has a green light to open the books on every past prez including Joe the dumb ass that opened the door to his own discovery!!

I think the bottom line is politicians in our corrupted and broken body politic, including public servants in all three branches of government, are allowed to advance in direct proportion to the degree to which they are controllable, both financially and including by blackmail, such as the Lolita Express flight logs (among other things). This is why we have pedophiles and God-knows what other kind of deviants in powerful positions of government.

Trump leapfrogged this entire process. Sure there is dirt on Trump--some of it was fabricated, some spun from nothing, maybe some even true. The king makers threw everything they could at him in attempt to destroy him (in this respect David Icke is absolutely incorrect asserting they "allowed" or "chose" him to be president), such as the Access Hollywood tape, accusation of racist/discrimination policies at his real estate properties, tax dodging, Trump University scandal--the list goes on and on and on. None of this dirt stuck, because at the end of the day it was all personal dirt, the kind a sleazy business man who pulls himself up by the bootstraps wears on his trousers, not the kind of mud the swamp casts on its creatures from the depths of its deep bowels to mark and advance the careers of its wind-up politicians. The establishment genuinely hates Trump for leapfrogging their initiation ritual. In effect he essentially "cheated" his way to the Presidency as far as they are concerned (and again, I have to adamantly disagree with David Icke's assessment to the contrary, implying Trump was chosen and groomed to divide/conquer). They must destroy Trump at all costs because they have absolutely no real control over him. As far as Warp Speed goes, they didn't "control" him to execute their twisted eugenics policy as they would have done with any other king they allowed to rise to President, they cajoled and played him to execute it. They played a different kind of game on him; he fell for it. Which as I've mentioned already is an entirely different shortcoming and an entirely different discussion from DJT being a swamp creature. My guess is, after Trump wins the nomination (if he can indeed succeed at "cheating" his way on the ticket again), and after he and DeSantis are ticketed, DJT will find some way to backpedal from his Warp Speed days and actually use it to his advantage to further unveil establishment corruption. Turning weakness into strength has been his playbook, he's followed it masterfully, and I have no reason to believe he won't continue using it to his advantage if he finds a way to run for President in 2024.

[mountain_jim]

Whatever part of the swamp begat Trump, it was not the Obama-Bush CIA, FBI, or MSM factions.

For myself, anyone advocating for US citizens' freedoms under the Constitution and against the globalists/China power centers is the side I will tend to support, at this point.

See Bill's thread - The planned takedown of America: now in full swing. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111213-The-planned-takedown-of-America-now-in-full-swing.&p=1360967&viewfull=1#post1360967)



https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-derangement-syndrome-going-get-worse


Trump Derangement Syndrome Is Going To Get Worse

BY TYLER DURDEN
FRIDAY, AUG 26, 2022 - 11:55 PM

Authored by Mark Bauerlein via The Epoch Times, (https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-derangement-syndrome-is-going-to-get-worse_4686123.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge)

Never in my lifetime have so many people been so obsessed with one man.

People despised Nixon; they cheered or reviled Reagan, and they revered or dismissed Obama, but none of those responses comes close to the mania attached to Donald Trump. I mean the hate side, not the adoration. The former feeling and the cult it spawns dwarfs the latter. Liberals mock the idol worship they find among Trump’s supporters, but while Trumpists smile and cheer and vote for the man, liberals abhor him with a passion three times as fierce. It’s visceral, fanatical, knee-jerk. If nearly the entire psychology profession didn’t suffer from the condition to greater or lesser degrees, it would be a likely subject for diagnosis, particularly given the unself-conscious way in which the victims of Trump Derangement Syndrome act out their animus.

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It doesn’t occur to the diseased ones to ask why they can’t get the Orange-Haired Man out of their heads. They hate him; they loathe him; they fear him . . . We get it nonstop; we hear them; they can’t stop saying so. But the expression doesn’t bring them any relief—not that we can see. Their exasperation only grows and sputters. Voicing what one feels deep inside is supposed to ease the feeling, to externalize it and let the anger, love, bitterness, joy, etc. flow, not be dammed up within. One of Freud’s patients called it “the Talking Cure,” when he asked her to speak, just speak of anything that pops into her mind, and she and other patients found that they did feel a little better once the session concluded.

But those with TDS don’t. He lingers in their heads. Like a bad penny, he won’t go away. Nothing that has happened has “disappeared” him. Jeb Bush couldn’t beat him, nor could Hillary, the Mueller Team, Avenatti and Stormy, Vindman and House Democrats, or The Washington Post, NPR, and MSNBC. Not even the 2020 defeat, January 6th, and Liz Cheney’s hearings have removed him from the body politic. If anything, the Mar-a-Lago raid will only ensure his continuance. Martyrs have sticking power. The prospect of Trump 2024 appears ever more likely, and if the inconceivable happened once (November 2016), it can happen again.

If Trumpist candidates for Congress do well in the midterms, the agony will only intensify. The media’s reaction as the results of that dark day six years ago unfolded was shock and incredulity. This time, if Republicans take the House and lots of Trumpy types prevail, we will see a different reaction. Liberal elites now know that “it can happen here,” which leads them past incredulity and toward resolve.

He must be stopped! He and his enablers are demons, cretins, bigots, and monsters. They are not fellow citizens and ordinary Americans. They are something else—odd, frightening, unenlightened, vandals, and barbarians. I have seen liberals of sterling egalitarian profile speak of the ones who go to Trump rallies in terms one usually reserves for bugs in the woodwork. Now, in 2022, liberals and progressives and Never Trumpers believe they have tolerated these dunces and villains long enough. They’re out of patience. No more generosity, no more pluralism.

Hence, it’s OK with them to withhold from Trump the rights of free speech, due process, innocence-until-proven-guilty. It is downright extraordinary to see how liberals have flipped on principle now that Trump and his backers have persisted. The intelligence agencies liberals used to suspect and decry earn liberal praise when they target the ex-president. Traditional liberal sympathy with the working class dissipates when Trump wins the lion’s share of that voting bloc. Liberals flatter themselves as cosmopolitical and nonjudgmental, able to mingle with diverse others, jumping from culture to subculture with relaxed facility. But put them amidst a group of MAGA souls and the blood pressure rises—they can’t converse, and any escape route will do.

It would be laughable if not for the power of the cancel. Irrationality rightly gets shuttled off for professional help, but when college students stomp into their president’s office irate at an essay a professor wrote against woke activism, and the president bows and commiserates, the tantrum worked. When a corporate chain bends to a few Twitter posts demanding that produce be withdrawn from its shelves because it’s offensive to the posters, the spirit of the First Amendment is broken.

Donald Trump is the ultimate rationale for this abandonment of American tolerance. Liberals have made him into the embodiment of all the social evils of racism, nativism, etc. He’s done them a favor, offering them a concrete focus for resentments and worries otherwise hazy and fluctuating. Anxiety lessens when it can find an object. It wants to attach to something, and the attachment eases the uncertainty. Trump gives them psychological relief even as they huff and puff at the sound of his voice.

Which means that liberals don’t want to give him up. Every day we watch the obsession continue, the conversation eventually turning to Orange-Man-Bad whether the topic be Biden, Russia, gas prices, or COVID. No person, no thing, and no event in living memory has so unified and mobilized liberals and their institutions—not even 9/11. That attack 21 years ago produced ample debate and divisions on both sides—on the right and the left (for example, Bush conservatives vs. Pat Buchanan conservatives). This time, however, with Trump, there is no debate on the left, no dissenting voices. In their eyes, he is beyond discussion, outside the world of ideas and policy. The Overton Window doesn’t include him. To witness him still in the public sphere, drawing crowds to his rallies and endorsing candidates who proceed to win, is infuriating. They love to hate him, but the hate nonetheless takes a toll on their hearts. They know they’re being illiberal, and so they have to cast him as a demon to justify it.

Don’t expect liberals to resolve this dilemma before November. The pain will only get worse—especially if Trump candidates poll well. Smart populist conservatives such as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis aggravate the problem. He spotlights liberal illiberalism and moves forward to squelch it. His popularity, along with Trump’s, widens the public square to include them both, which means that liberals must address them as a political force, not a demonic one. I just read a Tweet from former-Clinton cabinet member Robert Reich calling DeSantis a fascist, but the charge has no force. Liberal outrage is spent. The rabid indignation gets chuckles from everyone except the True Believers, the ones who cling to their outrage as a psychological crutch. That will bring on more manic behavior, more delusion on the left. Be ready for it.

[Ratszinger]

The 5 source

I sure hope all these reports are trustworthy, without a motive to lie? I don't doubt Trump visited Ep Island. However I don't believe he is a pedo. it is possible to visit a place and not partake in an an illegal act, is it not ? I have been around drug users and didnt use.
And by the way, I have a love for younger women as well. NOT OF AN ILLEGAL AGE.

Epstien was looking and always on the hunt for another extortion to control someone fromt his or her own dirty laundry or deviant behaviour in private settings! Once he had that he controlled them! He never got that on Trump or we'd know about it. The other thing to me is that the people Epstein got dirt on are all being protected and Trump is not being protected which should obviously (you would think) awaken one to realize they never had anything on Donald J. Trump or they'd have used it for policital or diplomatic favors. Trump is clean or they'd have him by now after six years of attacks. So far all those that have attacked Trump from Alec Balwin to Cheney's daughter, the Bushes, McCainn's and more have all paid the price for tangling with the guy!! This will not change. What many miss is that Biden by his action here to disregard prez privelege means that when Trump gets back into the oval office come Nov he now has a green light to open the books on every past prez including Joe the dumb ass that opened the door to his own discovery!!

I think the bottom line is politicians in our corrupted and broken body politic, including public servants in all three branches of government, are allowed to advance in direct proportion to the degree to which they are controllable, both financially and including by blackmail, such as the Lolita Express flight logs (among other things). This is why we have pedophiles and God-knows what other kind of deviants in powerful positions of government.

Trump leapfrogged this entire process. Sure there is dirt on Trump--some of it was fabricated, some spun from nothing, maybe some even true. The king makers threw everything they could at him in attempt to destroy him (in this respect David Icke is absolutely incorrect asserting they "allowed" or "chose" him to be president), such as the Access Hollywood tape, accusation of racist/discrimination policies at his real estate properties, tax dodging, Trump University scandal--the list goes on and on and on. None of this dirt stuck, because at the end of the day it was all personal dirt, the kind a sleazy business man who pulls himself up by the bootstraps wears on his trousers, not the kind of mud the swamp casts on its creatures from the depths of its deep bowels to mark and advance the careers of its wind-up politicians. The establishment genuinely hates Trump for leapfrogging their initiation ritual. In effect he essentially "cheated" his way to the Presidency as far as they are concerned (and again, I have to adamantly disagree with David Icke's assessment to the contrary, implying Trump was chosen and groomed to divide/conquer). They must destroy Trump at all costs because they have absolutely no real control over him. As far as Warp Speed goes, they didn't "control" him to execute their twisted eugenics policy as they would have done with any other king they allowed to rise to President, they cajoled and played him to execute it. They played a different kind of game on him; he fell for it. Which as I've mentioned already is an entirely different shortcoming and an entirely different discussion from DJT being a swamp creature. My guess is, after Trump wins the nomination (if he can indeed succeed at "cheating" his way on the ticket again), and after he and DeSantis are ticketed, DJT will find some way to backpedal from his Warp Speed days and actually use it to his advantage to further unveil establishment corruption. Turning weakness into strength has been his playbook, he's followed it masterfully, and I have no reason to believe he won't continue using it to his advantage if he finds a way to run for President in 2024.

I'm not sure Trump wasn't selected. It is said that the committee of 300 run the world and that each president is selected, and other key positions like the defense sec. speaker and so on as well as the VPs. Had to be because no way did Joe get 81 million votes and no way was he ever more popular than Obama. Trump is a perfect choice because so many hate him and so many love him. He is a walking division without even trying and always has been. All of them from Obama to Trump to Biden divided the people they are supposed to be president of and all they did was drive the wedge deeper. Trump called the other side public enemy number one, Biden says republicans are a threat to our democracy, Hillary called the other side deplorables. No way any of these can be effective leaders when they go out and divide the people like this. That is just piss poor leadership IMO on all their parts. Obama, the same way. He actually made race relations worse over his eight years. Ferguson, MO and more. The best leaders unify the people they are to lead. We need that not these guys but we have no say in it. That is obvious from the last election if it wasn't before but if they really wanted Trump out they could have taken him out years ago and easily. He is actually very reckless out there in public. The fact that they attacked him the way they did could all be part of their plan to make it all look real and Trump isn't hated but actually protected by them or he'd be dead by now. If they really really hated the man and were as threatened as they want everyone to believe he'd have been killed years ago. I think they put him in there now more than before anyway.

[ExomatrixTV]

The Rats Are Leaving The Sinking Ship! Alex Jones Issues Emergency Message To Trump

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[gini]

Great analysis from all the posters,many eyeopening perspectives!

One more thought about that Trump should be dead already if he wasnt a swampcreature;
The courage & determination of a man on a mission who has no fear and has compassionate love in his heart(does he?who knows?)Is untouchable and blessed by divine protected powers(angels?) History is full of tales of such men & women .. I dont know,but its not impossible neither..

[TomKat]

If the DC swamp thought Trump was one of them, it would explain their unbelievable hatred of him. Look at how the Criminals In Action have gone after their own who developed consciences and exposed them, e.g., Snowden.

[onawah]

Trump's Vaccine--Greg Reese
August 27, 2022
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/the-trump-vaccine/

"TRANSCRIPT

According to Pfizer’s very limited human trials, 87% of pregnant mothers lost their babies after receiving the shot and for those who survived the deadly shot and are able to reproduce, their offspring’s DNA is now forever mutated.

There is now irrefutable proof that the mRNA vaccines are a deadly toxin.


Aside from the relentless debilitating spike protein that’s keeping everyone who’s been jabbed sick, the vaxxines contain metals. Metals that have been observed to self-assemble outside of the body and most disturbingly, metals that assemble inside of the body.

Studies show that these metals are found in the blood of 94% of those who have received a COVID vaxxine.

And these mysterious conglomerates of metal make their final appearance in the dead.

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All over the world, coroners are now finding that the arteries of the vaxxinated have been clogged with mysterious growths. Non-organic masses made up of conductive metals, such as aluminum, sodium and tin.

This is what’s most likely causing all the organ failure and heart attacks – hear attacks in our children.

According to the whistleblowers, the doctors are lying about the vaccine deaths to make a few thousand bucks.

Is that why Trump has been pushing the deadly shots?

Killing our own children for a measly million dollars?

Now that the truth about the deadly COVID vaxxines is finally starting to break free, the mainstream media is shifting their narrative and blaming it all on President Trump and they already laid the groundwork back in 2016, when the herd was told to believe that Trump is literally Hitler.

You might argue that Trump is innocent – but he doesn’t.

He brags of all the lives he has saved – and the herd will believe what they are told to believe…"


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[onawah]

Trump could be excused if he really didn't know at the start that the vaxxines were deadly.
Though if he was really naive enough to actually take the jab that everyone else was taking (and that claim wasn't just for publicity), then he's probably not going to be in good health and won't be a viable candidate for the next election.
(Not to mention that he's in his 80s and quite overweight.)
But if he is still not clued in enough to know by now what was in those jabs and the harm they've done, and is still saying how great the jabs are (which he is), then he's just not paying attention, or he's just not that bright.
Or else, if he does know but is not saying so, then he is indeed a swamp creature.

[Philippe]

Trump could be excused if he really didn't know at the start that the vaxxines were deadly.
Though if he was really naive enough to actually take the jab that everyone else was taking (and that claim wasn't just for publicity), then he's probably not going to be in good health and won't be a viable candidate for the next election.
(Not to mention that he's in his 80s and quite overweight.)
But if he is still not clued in enough to know by now what was in those jabs and the harm they've done, and is still saying how great the jabs are (which he is), then he's just not paying attention, or he's just not that bright.
Or else, if he does know but is not saying so, then he is indeed a swamp creature.

You do not seem to know the explanation that Trump (or his advisors) had to outplay the Deep State who has a master plan to fine tune the slow kill shot by the end of 2023. By forcing them to bring it on more rapidly with the Operation Warp-speed it became a mess and the broad public could recognize it. It is said that there is no other solution to wake up the masses from their hypnotic condition and thus save a maximum of inhabitants of the planet. It seems farfetched as a justification but so much in the approach of Trump is provocation to bring about exposure.

X22 Report: The Memo Caught Them All! Trump Is About to Expose it All! Tick Tock! - Must Video
Thursday, August 25, 2022 18:37
https://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2022/08/x22-report-the-memo-caught-them-all-trump-is-about-to-expose-it-all-tick-tock-must-video-3639391.html

Or for those that understand French listen to the perspicacious Alexis Cosette from Radio Quebec who explains how the 2 impeachments and now the Mar o Lago raid were actually provoked by Trump and resulted in the exposure of the enemy for being corrupt and unlawful. There is clearly a repeated strategy in the approach of Trump and he plays it very masterfully, I must recognize it for what it is.

Une autre opération de hameçonnage ? (Another operation of Phishing)
https://vk.com/radioquebec?z=video544172849_456239477%2F974d7e45ffd18f2e67%2Fpl_wall_544172849

[Ratszinger]

Trump could be excused if he really didn't know at the start that the vaxxines were deadly.
Though if he was really naive enough to actually take the jab that everyone else was taking (and that claim wasn't just for publicity), then he's probably not going to be in good health and won't be a viable candidate for the next election.
(Not to mention that he's in his 80s and quite overweight.)
But if he is still not clued in enough to know by now what was in those jabs and the harm they've done, and is still saying how great the jabs are (which he is), then he's just not paying attention, or he's just not that bright.
Or else, if he does know but is not saying so, then he is indeed a swamp creature.

I somewhat agree but it's likely that Trump is invested in it. Gates was bragging once why he was so into vaccines saying something akin to it being because there was 20 dollars profit for every 1 dollar invested.

[onawah]

I believe the portrayal of Trump as a compromised swamp creature who sometimes outwits his opponents in the deadly and corrupt game of politics.
The portrayal of him as a great hero and savior who only has the good of the people as his guiding light is just naive.
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole game is being scripted and every big player takes their orders from some unnamed top level swamp creatures whose real goal is to keep the public as confused and distracted as possible so they don't know which way to turn.
Probably all for the price of a ticket to their nearest DUMB once the s--t really hits the fan.
If Trump goes along with the elite agenda just enough so he can get elected, is that really enough?
Why is he still saying the jabs are great now, when it's becoming very clear they aren't at all?



Trump could be excused if he really didn't know at the start that the vaxxines were deadly.
Though if he was really naive enough to actually take the jab that everyone else was taking (and that claim wasn't just for publicity), then he's probably not going to be in good health and won't be a viable candidate for the next election.
(Not to mention that he's in his 80s and quite overweight.)
But if he is still not clued in enough to know by now what was in those jabs and the harm they've done, and is still saying how great the jabs are (which he is), then he's just not paying attention, or he's just not that bright.
Or else, if he does know but is not saying so, then he is indeed a swamp creature.

You do not seem to know the explanation that Trump (or his advisors) had to outplay the Deep State who has a master plan to fine tune the slow kill shot by the end of 2023. By forcing them to bring it on more rapidly with the Operation Warp-speed it became a mess and the broad public could recognize it. It is said that there is no other solution to wake up the masses from their hypnotic condition and thus save a maximum of inhabitants of the planet. It seems farfetched as a justification but so much in the approach of Trump is provocation to bring about exposure.

X22 Report: The Memo Caught Them All! Trump Is About to Expose it All! Tick Tock! - Must Video
Thursday, August 25, 2022 18:37
https://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2022/08/x22-report-the-memo-caught-them-all-trump-is-about-to-expose-it-all-tick-tock-must-video-3639391.html

Or for those that understand French listen to the perspicacious Alexis Cosette from Radio Quebec who explains how the 2 impeachments and now the Mar o Lago raid were actually provoked by Trump and resulted in the exposure of the enemy for being corrupt and unlawful. There is clearly a repeated strategy in the approach of Trump and he plays it very masterfully, I must recognize it for what it is.

Une autre opération de hameçonnage ? (Another operation of Phishing)
https://vk.com/radioquebec?z=video544172849_456239477%2F974d7e45ffd18f2e67%2Fpl_wall_544172849

[Ratszinger]

I believe the portrayal of Trump as a compromised swamp creature who sometimes outwits his opponents in the deadly and corrupt game of politics.
The portrayal of him as a great hero and savior who only has the good of the people as his guiding light is just naive.
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole game is being scripted and every big player takes their orders from some unnamed top level swamp creatures whose real goal is to keep the public as confused and distracted as possible so they don't know which way to turn.
Probably all for the price of a ticket to their nearest DUMB once the s--t really hits the fan.
If Trump goes along with the elite agenda just enough so he can get elected, is that really enough?
Why is he still saying the jabs are great now, when it's becoming very clear they aren't at all?



Trump could be excused if he really didn't know at the start that the vaxxines were deadly.
Though if he was really naive enough to actually take the jab that everyone else was taking (and that claim wasn't just for publicity), then he's probably not going to be in good health and won't be a viable candidate for the next election.
(Not to mention that he's in his 80s and quite overweight.)
But if he is still not clued in enough to know by now what was in those jabs and the harm they've done, and is still saying how great the jabs are (which he is), then he's just not paying attention, or he's just not that bright.
Or else, if he does know but is not saying so, then he is indeed a swamp creature.

You do not seem to know the explanation that Trump (or his advisors) had to outplay the Deep State who has a master plan to fine tune the slow kill shot by the end of 2023. By forcing them to bring it on more rapidly with the Operation Warp-speed it became a mess and the broad public could recognize it. It is said that there is no other solution to wake up the masses from their hypnotic condition and thus save a maximum of inhabitants of the planet. It seems farfetched as a justification but so much in the approach of Trump is provocation to bring about exposure.

X22 Report: The Memo Caught Them All! Trump Is About to Expose it All! Tick Tock! - Must Video
Thursday, August 25, 2022 18:37
https://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2022/08/x22-report-the-memo-caught-them-all-trump-is-about-to-expose-it-all-tick-tock-must-video-3639391.html

Or for those that understand French listen to the perspicacious Alexis Cosette from Radio Quebec who explains how the 2 impeachments and now the Mar o Lago raid were actually provoked by Trump and resulted in the exposure of the enemy for being corrupt and unlawful. There is clearly a repeated strategy in the approach of Trump and he plays it very masterfully, I must recognize it for what it is.

Une autre opération de hameçonnage ? (Another operation of Phishing)
https://vk.com/radioquebec?z=video544172849_456239477%2F974d7e45ffd18f2e67%2Fpl_wall_544172849

I agree completely! Trump is smart, he says the things the people behind him want to hear well and he is dangerous both in pushing for this great resistance of the people further dividing the nation and his recent demands lately to his pushing the jab which I'm absolutely certain he has heavy investments in.

[gini]

Quote Ratsinger "I agree completely! Trump is smart, he says the things the people behind him want to hear well and he is dangerous both in pushing for this great resistance of the people further dividing the nation and his recent demands lately to his pushing the jab which I'm absolutely certain he has heavy investments in."

Can you -or anybody- provide info about Trump's investment in the jabbisnis?Thanx!

[Ratszinger]

I wouldn't know how to find that out but DJT didn't come down with the last drop of rain when it comes to money. Does anyone really think that he wouldn't be involved with 20 dollars profit for every dollar he invested or that he wouldn't see the big chance for big $$$$ on the stocks and early on? I have no doubt he and his family all own stocks in vaccines and big pharma but I have serious doubts that anyone actually took that jab they are pushing themselves. He has to own big pharma stock. Now that doesn't mean that he ran out after this plandemic and bought the stock. I'm thinking he has always had the stocks and that he simply noticed how much it has grown since the pandemic so why wouldn't he push the vaccine when it pads his wallet? I mean there is just too much money in it for him to ignore it and to me the fact that he pushes the jab says it all. He's invested in it. He never brings up anyone or anything unless it is benefitting him or they are working with him otherwise he'd have nothing to do with it. He is just too money hungry for him not to be invested in it.

[Jim_Duyer]

Trump did what he thought best when Covid came out - if he had not tried to introduce a cure, the world would have set him on fire. So, that early in the fight, before we really know what a plandemic it was and how so many in Govt were set to get rich off of it, we can't fault him for that, IMO. No he did not do what he claimed, and on many occasions he allowed vile creatures to snuggle up to him, and he seemed to have a problem in picking out the good ones. However, he really did good work on the economy, and that's what is pulling us down right now. And the dead chicken in my yard would make a better Pres than one of the Democrats, and especially Killary.
DeSantis is great so far. But many years ago it was discussed in the local newspapers in Florida that he could really go no higher than Gov. There are some very disconcerting connections between him and organized crime. And I'm not just speaking of his family. Trump was friendly with the mob, because he ran Casinos - but he was smart enough to keep his distance. I fear that if we bring out DeSantis those old stories will come up again.
I would love to see DeSantis in there, but there are just not enough generations (yet) between him and
the gangsters of old. Just my opinion. Great for a VP though.

[T Smith]

Trump could be excused if he really didn't know at the start that the vaxxines were deadly.
Though if he was really naive enough to actually take the jab that everyone else was taking (and that claim wasn't just for publicity), then he's probably not going to be in good health and won't be a viable candidate for the next election.
(Not to mention that he's in his 80s and quite overweight.)
But if he is still not clued in enough to know by now what was in those jabs and the harm they've done, and is still saying how great the jabs are (which he is), then he's just not paying attention, or he's just not that bright.
Or else, if he does know but is not saying so, then he is indeed a swamp creature.

I somewhat agree but it's likely that Trump is invested in it. Gates was bragging once why he was so into vaccines saying something akin to it being because there was 20 dollars profit for every 1 dollar invested.


Does anyone really think that he wouldn't be involved with 20 dollars profit for every dollar he invested or that he wouldn't see the big chance for big $$$$ on the stocks and early on?

I highly doubt Trump has any investment whatsoever in the vaccine. That's just not his MO. That's the modus operandi of Biden/Fauci/Clinton/Swamp et. al, all of whom engage in the model of enriching themselves through public office. If there is evidence to the contrary, though, I'd like to see. That would be big news to me, which I'm open to considering.

But if Trump were only interested in $, he never would have ran for President, which has taken a very big toll on his net worth. He would have made far more $ on his business ventures during 2015-present in the private sector than being President. It's hard to make money shackled and under the microscope, ostracized from business dealings, and fending off arrows from every direction.

IMHO Trump ran for president to secure his legacy and to enrich his ego. There are some things $ just can't buy...

[onawah]

He may not have anticipated what a storm would be unleashed when he became POTUS.
The Clintons, Obama and most of those who came before greatly enriched themselves during their terms of office, and made even more of the kinds of deals and connections that would allow them to continue doing so once they were out of office.
Trump may have had to spend a lot to get into that place, and he may have had a much tougher time profiting from it once he was there, but that doesn't mean he hasn't enriched himself, just the same.
I don't think he's agreed to disclose his portfolio. Didn't he take the 5th when asked to?
And he still could have made a deal with Big Pharma, even if he didn't buy their stock.



Trump could be excused if he really didn't know at the start that the vaxxines were deadly.
Though if he was really naive enough to actually take the jab that everyone else was taking (and that claim wasn't just for publicity), then he's probably not going to be in good health and won't be a viable candidate for the next election.
(Not to mention that he's in his 80s and quite overweight.)
But if he is still not clued in enough to know by now what was in those jabs and the harm they've done, and is still saying how great the jabs are (which he is), then he's just not paying attention, or he's just not that bright.
Or else, if he does know but is not saying so, then he is indeed a swamp creature.

I somewhat agree but it's likely that Trump is invested in it. Gates was bragging once why he was so into vaccines saying something akin to it being because there was 20 dollars profit for every 1 dollar invested.


Does anyone really think that he wouldn't be involved with 20 dollars profit for every dollar he invested or that he wouldn't see the big chance for big $$$$ on the stocks and early on?

I highly doubt Trump has any investment whatsoever in the vaccine. That's just not his MO. That's the modus operandi of Biden/Fauci/Clinton/Swamp et. al, all of whom engage in the model of enriching themselves through public office. If there is evidence to the contrary, though, I'd like to see. That would be big news to me, which I'm open to considering.

But if Trump were only interested in $, he never would have ran for President, which has taken a very big toll on his net worth. He would have made far more $ on his business ventures during 2015-present in the private sector than being President. It's hard to make money shackled and under the microscope, ostracized from business dealings, and fending off arrows from every direction.

IMHO Trump ran for president to secure his legacy and to enrich his ego. There are some things $ just can't buy...