How To Be A Liberal

[TomKat]

Marx objected to the emergence of the "bourgeoisie" (middle class) which ended the feudal period.
Liberals, marxists-in-training, must never admit they’re elitist and racist, but should, when confronted, project their racism onto the bourgeosie, who it is their mission to eliminate. Bourgeois values like family, thrift, work, honesty, fairness and decency facilitate the growth of the bourgeoisie and are anathema to the preferred depravity of upper class stakeholders, whose values should be instilled, through education, in the children of the bourgeosie to facilitate its downfall and usefulness as slaves for the elite. Above all, liberals must stay loyal to party, which supersedes bourgeois notions like freedom, sovereignty, boundaries, rights and principles. Useful tools to bring down the bourgeosie are heavy taxation and regulation, in addition to perpetual, if possible, states of war or other emergencies.
Any other tips? :-)

[Bill Ryan]

Definitions may be needed.... the word 'liberal' has utterly changed its meaning many times over the years, and also in different countries.

:)

[ExomatrixTV]

Classical Liberalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism)

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[Kryztian]

Marx objected to the emergence of the "bourgeoisie" (middle class)

I don't believe Marx was objecting to anything that was a historical reality. This is a little bit like saying that the weather reporters objected to hurricanes. Marx talked about different social classes in terms of what their "consciousness" was - their view of reality and what their vision of a fair society was, especially economically and politically, and how their social status was part of that, a phenomena he called class consciousness. He saw that society was a pyramid, and the people at the bottom, the people who did the most back breaking work for the least amount of money, had a clearer "class consciousness" that understood how inherently unfair this was. The word "bourgeoisie" never really became a dirty word until Stalin used it as a label for anyone who would not go along with his plans.


Bourgeois values like family, thrift, work, honesty, fairness and decency facilitate

Are these strictly "bourgeoisie" values? My ancestors were farmers, coal miners, and factory workers, therefore, "proletariat" and not "bourgeoisie", and they embodied these values just as well. And when Marx was exhorting people to revolution, he was appealing to there sense of honesty, fairness and decency.

https://i.imgur.com/obQHCru.jpg

Karl Marx is not a "liberal" thinker. "Liberalism" is a tradition championed by such thinkers as John Locke, Thomas Paine, and John Stuart Mill, who championed such values as individual rights, democracy, secularism, the rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, private property and a market economy. Those last three are pretty much antithetical to Marxism.

[T Smith]

Marx objected to the emergence of the "bourgeoisie" (middle class) which ended the feudal period.
Liberals, marxists-in-training, must never admit they’re elitist and racist, but should, when confronted, project their racism onto the bourgeosie, who it is their mission to eliminate. Bourgeois values like family, thrift, work, honesty, fairness and decency facilitate the growth of the bourgeoisie and are anathema to the preferred depravity of upper class stakeholders, whose values should be instilled, through education, in the children of the bourgeosie to facilitate its downfall and usefulness as slaves for the elite. Above all, liberals must stay loyal to party, which supersedes bourgeois notions like freedom, sovereignty, boundaries, rights and principles. Useful tools to bring down the bourgeosie are heavy taxation and regulation, in addition to perpetual, if possible, states of war or other emergencies.
Any other tips? :-)

You pretty much summed it up. Rather eloquently, I might add.

One addition to your sentence, "...[liberal] values should be instilled, through education, in the children of the bourgeosie to facilitate its downfall and usefulness as slaves for the elite," might be, "further, the liberal education should teach the bourgeosie to embrace an ideology counter their interests, carry water for their upper-class stakeholders, and inculcate in them a blinding conviction their deeds serve their own needs instead of the needs of their masters."

Overall, your assessment is really very poignant and reads like a promising outline for Rules for Liberals. (Saul Alinski has nothing on you! :) )

[TomKat]

Definitions may be needed.... the word 'liberal' has utterly changed its meaning many times over the years, and also in different countries.

:)

II guess that's why the word "libertarian" was invented, the opposite of a modern day liberal.

[TomKat]

Marx objected to the emergence of the "bourgeoisie" (middle class)

I don't believe Marx was objecting to anything that was a historical reality. This is a little bit like saying that the weather reporters objected to hurricanes. Marx talked about different social classes in terms of what their "consciousness" was - their view of reality and what their vision of a fair society was, especially economically and politically, and how their social status was part of that, a phenomena he called class consciousness. He saw that society was a pyramid, and the people at the bottom, the people who did the most back breaking work for the least amount of money, had a clearer "class consciousness" that understood how inherently unfair this was. The word "bourgeoisie" never really became a dirty word until Stalin used it as a label for anyone who would not go along with his plans.


Bourgeois values like family, thrift, work, honesty, fairness and decency facilitate

Are these strictly "bourgeoisie" values? My ancestors were farmers, coal miners, and factory workers, therefore, "proletariat" and not "bourgeoisie", and they embodied these values just as well. And when Marx was exhorting people to revolution, he was appealing to there sense of honesty, fairness and decency.

https://i.imgur.com/obQHCru.jpg

Karl Marx is not a "liberal" thinker. "Liberalism" is a tradition championed by such thinkers as John Locke, Thomas Paine, and John Stuart Mill, who championed such values as individual rights, democracy, secularism, the rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, private property and a market economy. Those last three are pretty much antithetical to Marxism.

Yes, the US Constitution is a liberal document, outlining "self rule." But to subvert its intent requires a liberal interpretation. Hence the modern day liberal who is anything but -- in fact, is authoritarian.

[ExomatrixTV]

Original liberalism was mainly: Anti-Authoritarian, Defending Free Speech and had a healthy distrust towards all Big (Mega) Corporations ...

Nowadays all three are reversed in the "new normal" they help manifest 24/7


I was a longtime classic liberal in The Netherlands from 1980 up to 2000 ... now am against the "new normal" making me feel ashamed to see how "liberalism" of all kinds are totally hijacked & corrupted by WEF (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) :facepalm:

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[TomKat]

Marx objected to the emergence of the "bourgeoisie" (middle class)

I don't believe Marx was objecting to anything that was a historical reality. This is a little bit like saying that the weather reporters objected to hurricanes. Marx talked about different social classes in terms of what their "consciousness" was - their view of reality and what their vision of a fair society was, especially economically and politically, and how their social status was part of that, a phenomena he called class consciousness. He saw that society was a pyramid, and the people at the bottom, the people who did the most back breaking work for the least amount of money, had a clearer "class consciousness" that understood how inherently unfair this was. The word "bourgeoisie" never really became a dirty word until Stalin used it as a label for anyone who would not go along with his plans.


Bourgeois values like family, thrift, work, honesty, fairness and decency facilitate

Are these strictly "bourgeoisie" values? My ancestors were farmers, coal miners, and factory workers, therefore, "proletariat" and not "bourgeoisie", and they embodied these values just as well. And when Marx was exhorting people to revolution, he was appealing to there sense of honesty, fairness and decency.

https://i.imgur.com/obQHCru.jpg

Karl Marx is not a "liberal" thinker. "Liberalism" is a tradition championed by such thinkers as John Locke, Thomas Paine, and John Stuart Mill, who championed such values as individual rights, democracy, secularism, the rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, private property and a market economy. Those last three are pretty much antithetical to Marxism.

Yes, alll those good things are under attack by the Biden (really Obama) administration.

Your farmer ancestors, had they been successful enough to rise out of the proletariat to the bourgeoisie,would have com under attack as this Amish farmer has, told to shutdown by the Biden administration.
https://tv.gab.com/channel/warrenvmyers/view/on-tucker-is-the-government-trying-63043133aded3c266a029318