UFOs & the After Life

[ExomatrixTV]

UFOs & the After Life:

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In this video I discuss the connection between UFO Disclosure and Near Death Experiences. As well as people's experience of the after life in general.


Book Life After Life by Raymond Moody: ➡ amzn.to/3ePKSp4 (https://amzn.to/3ePKSp4)

[Michel Leclerc]

I have watched 1/3 of this presentation and will continue tomorrow.

I would like to recommend this video as you have done, John, because of its excellent didactical properties: clarity of exposition, flawless and aesthetically pleasing presentation of quotes and quotes in quotes etc.
Very glad to see and hear Moody’s book valued and quoted. I suppose Elisabeth Kübler-Ross may come up later as well as – nearing the subject from the “ufological side” – John Mack’s work.

But that is the "scientific" side of the topic – which, "science" being what it is doing "scientifically", and that is mainly "technologically operationalising" discoveries – may make us run into the cutting edge of the two-edged sword.

There is another angle, which is "spiritual" or "consciousness state experiential” if one wishes, which stays away from, or transcends (?), the technological operationalising, i.e. the "application" to the 3D+ world of higher densities, and stays in, keeps the experience within the "experiential" realm, "living in" or "living through" the processes it entails "for its own sake" so to speak, "experiences"="knows" them as such and reaps all the benefits of them within the experience – and thereby, i.e. by the extension of its/his/her "modes of living", expands the “individual" consciousness’s Life and thus also nurtures its/one‘s 3D+ life.

In other words: when expanded consciousness is seen as a way of "space travel" this can not succeed if "space travel" is understood as 3D+ space travel but only when it is travel within consciousness's nD+ hyperspace travel.

This non-technological conception of the "experiencing" and the "knowing" is what, I think, Whitley Strieber refers to – and – to the extent that I may testify to its truth from experience – it is what is obvious and available to the experiencer/knower outside of any technological applicability of the insight: a visionary experience, a NDE, a "visitors" experience, "mystical" and "higher erotic" states etc. are like phases in an interconnected hyperspace, which cannot be accessed on command (in other words: cannot be operationalised "technologically") but can only be "granted", like "grace" can: as an acknowledgement – coming from that hyperspace – of our humility and "unconditional" ("unconditioned") surrender.

God gave Adam the power of naming the animals on earth, but kept the power of naming Adam to Themselves. For who “is” (”becomes”?) in the experience "language" becomes fiery tongues, which only metaphorically speaking "speak" and/or “are spoken".

[Anu Raman]

Great video!

I like it! ... but I understand he's simply trying to explain what is there and what is not there.

Here is my perspective -something that I will share with all of you... Keep in mind, these are JUST MY WORDs.. nothing more.....

1. There is no longer 8 billion people on this planet. Roughly 1.1 billion had died during the past two years. How I know this, is by knowing. Proof?.. well.. they'll need to update census from ALL the countries. No more hiding... Don't rely on population tickers, as they are fake. Pretty obvious by now........ Disagree with this?... research it well, and you will know it too.

2. Consciousness... is consciousness field aka CF. The real person, you.. is a HOST.... instead of a "soul"... Yes, only those who have a "host" can have OOBE.. out of body experience...either by free will and/or NDEs. I experienced death in 2012, now this was not an NDE, but a full blown death. I somehow "came back"... just saying. People will not agree to this possibility of coming back from being totally dead, but there has been historical records of this...albeit rare.

3. UFOs. Yes... those who have genuinely experienced a heavy partial NDE, or a full blown death but came back, will begin seeing these UFOs - phenomena.. Even those who didn't know they had an NDE.. it is possible that someone could have had an NDE and not know it.......


4. Some people claim to have a different body every time they leave their physical one here - This is true. You can have a new celestial body if properly aligned with the one you have here. There is a such thing of being "tethered" to your body here, while using another one out there somewhere. Consciousness Field is something which needs to be thoroughly investigated. Ever hear of the story of "being in two places at once" ??? ...

5. Some people are very intuitive.. they leave their body at will, and sometimes not even realize it. They visit other people, interact with them in their dreams.. or even in real life, physically, by using another body. Sounds impossible?.. to me, it is not impossible.

That is all I will share with you on here.. the rest is up to you.. if you want to really dig deep into this.

[TrumanCash]

The reported "beings of light" in NDEs are actually Mantis ETs masquarading as "light beings". What the NDE experiencer does not understand is that they have been abducted out of body (going toward the "light at the end of tunnel") and are now in a Mantis mothership. Inside the ship the Mantis use telepathic hypnosis to project the illusion that they are "light beings" to the out of body Earth humans. I have experienced this phenomenon numerous times in between-lives experiences and have documented some of my experiences regarding this ability of ETs to do this in the EYE OF RA.

These illusions are sometimes called "screen memories" or "false memories". I found out a simple way to see through these telepathic illusions and then the illusion of a glowing white light being disappears and reveals a Mantis ET. The Grays and Reptilians also have this ability. Researcher/abductee Karla Turner discovered this phenomenon about thirty years ago. For me, the illusion dissolves usually on the third time through the incident. Then I can see what's really there. It is my understanding the Karla Turner used a different technique to expose the telepathic implant illusion.

People who have had NDEs often feel it is a spiritual experience and often report seeing and talking with "dead" relatives (who, by the way, most likely have already been born into a new body). Of course, being out of body is a spiritual experience simply because one, as a spiritual being, is no longer in one's body.

Mantis can manipulate the experience into a religious/spiritual experience and they work with the Anunnaki who created most of Earth's religions as well as secret societies appended to each religion. I've documented this connection in THE EYE OF RA.

The picture below--apparently from the movie "Cocoon"--shows a similar glow that I have seen but it is white and not quite the same. Facial features were only faintly visible, if at all, and not like this picture. It's the closest picture I could find to what the telepathic hypnosis illusion looks like to me. Of course, other people may remember them looking differently because these abducting ETs can project anything they want to project into the minds of the abducted spirits during NDEs.

https://s2.qwant.com/thumbr/0x0/e/4/70ce4b8cecb1a7b49657dc4d3e6b74d3e02ec726323924ee768fd3a425ff95/8.jpg?u=https%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-MVxfBg4IvDs%2FTlplcqW59tI%2FAAAAAAAAAOQ%2FwMO6DX8eMVI%2Fs1600%2F8.jpg&q=0&b=1&p=0&a=0

[Michel Leclerc]

So. Excellent until the end, I am keen to watch the other parts.

Just a little criticism – but actually not of the presenter, but – a little surprisingly, in hindsight – of Raymond Moody himself. Criticism coming from my humble self as a poet, professional linguist and language learning coach. Moody, trying to explain the fact that experiencers call their experience ineffable, inexpressible, states that "language" is "so three-dimensional".

That is not the case. On one hand, it can be argued that each word is a dimension in itself (or a vector, if you wish: when we call something "easy", this "easiness" is dimensional, because it implies that things can be "more" or "less" easy – which holds for all words), but on the other hand careful consideration shows us that "words" do not exist by themselves but are always accompanied by their "meanings", and by extension "sentences", "statements" etc. by their "complex combination of meanings" or by their "intentions". When we speak with each other we do not just hear words, we comprehend meanings, intentions etc.

That resembles closely the NDExperiencer’s understanding of the thoughts of persons surrounding their body without them voicing them. Experiences involving MR scanning of brain patterns have shown that people actually communicate through mirroring brain patterns both when they talk to each other and when they send each other messages telepathically. A conversation between humans could more adequately be described as a telepathic experience in presence of the person combined with some sort of "word music" or "word dance" functioning as an aesthetic experience and/or as an assurance of the “3-D” reality of it.

It is a bit like loving a person, and feeling the intensity of one’s well-wishing and happiness-wishing directed at the person and nevertheless wishing to confirm this feeling of closeness and endearment by actual physical closeness and actual caressing.

We also know that communication with animals is often telepathic, and at the same time it is clear that our dog, our cat, our horse, or the accident-stricken falcon that I caressed back to life in my hands does not know how to "speak" to us nor we to them. John Lily’s extraordinary experiences and experiments with dolphins showed to him that complex communication was possible and taking place without the actual understanding of the language symbols (the dolphin’s language being probably even exponentially more complex than ours, if only because they live in a real 3-D world whereas we are more like fat Flatlanders).

I believe that our so-called 3-D reality is actually not just 3-D reality but entirely permeated, saturated, "animated" by 4 up to n-D reality. And that it is not so surprising because we know that the Divine has incarnated itself – I would contend is continuously incarnating Themselves into our world – which incarnation is itself not surprising because it is the logical conclusion of creation itself.

The Divine does not want us to reject our "mortal bio-computer" but rather to take good care of it (and of all bio-computers on earth). Love births creation births incarnation.

I have the feeling that the presenter of this excellent video will walk that “thinking road” as well.

[delfine]

The reported "beings of light" in NDEs are actually Mantis ETs masquarading as "light beings". What the NDE experiencer does not understand is that they have been abducted out of body (going toward the "light at the end of tunnel") and are now in a Mantis mothership. Inside the ship the Mantis use telepathic hypnosis to project the illusion that they are "light beings" to the out of body Earth humans. I have experienced this phenomenon numerous times in between-lives experiences and have documented some of my experiences regarding this ability of ETs to do this in the EYE OF RA.

These illusions are sometimes called "screen memories" or "false memories". I found out a simple way to see through these telepathic illusions and then the illusion of a glowing white light being disappears and reveals a Mantis ET. The Grays and Reptilians also have this ability. Researcher/abductee Karla Turner discovered this phenomenon about thirty years ago. For me, the illusion dissolves usually on the third time through the incident. Then I can see what's really there. It is my understanding the Karla Turner used a different technique to expose the telepathic implant illusion.

People who have had NDEs often feel it is a spiritual experience and often report seeing and talking with "dead" relatives (who, by the way, most likely have already been born into a new body). Of course, being out of body is a spiritual experience simply because one, as a spiritual being, is no longer in one's body.

Mantis can manipulate the experience into a religious/spiritual experience and they work with the Anunnaki who created most of Earth's religions as well as secret societies appended to each religion. I've documented this connection in THE EYE OF RA.

The picture below--apparently from the movie "Cocoon"--shows a similar glow that I have seen but it is white and not quite the same. Facial features were only faintly visible, if at all, and not like this picture. It's the closest picture I could find to what the telepathic hypnosis illusion looks like to me. Of course, other people may remember them looking differently because these abducting ETs can project anything they want to project into the minds of the abducted spirits during NDEs.

https://s2.qwant.com/thumbr/0x0/e/4/70ce4b8cecb1a7b49657dc4d3e6b74d3e02ec726323924ee768fd3a425ff95/8.jpg?u=https%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-MVxfBg4IvDs%2FTlplcqW59tI%2FAAAAAAAAAOQ%2FwMO6DX8eMVI%2Fs1600%2F8.jpg&q=0&b=1&p=0&a=0

In NDE's, most people report about the tunnel, the life review, an overwhelming feeling of love and peace, and learning that loving others, is the most important lesson. People also tend to experience healing, both physically and mentally, and the NDE is usually a watershed moment, turning their life around in a profoundly positive way... One would think, that this is a sign that the experience is good and life affirming... But is it all just a charade, made up by ET's intended to control and manipulate us?
One last question: Which religion is NOT made up by the mantis /annunaki?

[TrumanCash]

The reported "beings of light" in NDEs are actually Mantis ETs masquarading as "light beings". What the NDE experiencer does not understand is that they have been abducted out of body (going toward the "light at the end of tunnel") and are now in a Mantis mothership. Inside the ship the Mantis use telepathic hypnosis to project the illusion that they are "light beings" to the out of body Earth humans. I have experienced this phenomenon numerous times in between-lives experiences and have documented some of my experiences regarding this ability of ETs to do this in the EYE OF RA.

These illusions are sometimes called "screen memories" or "false memories". I found out a simple way to see through these telepathic illusions and then the illusion of a glowing white light being disappears and reveals a Mantis ET. The Grays and Reptilians also have this ability. Researcher/abductee Karla Turner discovered this phenomenon about thirty years ago. For me, the illusion dissolves usually on the third time through the incident. Then I can see what's really there. It is my understanding the Karla Turner used a different technique to expose the telepathic implant illusion.

People who have had NDEs often feel it is a spiritual experience and often report seeing and talking with "dead" relatives (who, by the way, most likely have already been born into a new body). Of course, being out of body is a spiritual experience simply because one, as a spiritual being, is no longer in one's body.

Mantis can manipulate the experience into a religious/spiritual experience and they work with the Anunnaki who created most of Earth's religions as well as secret societies appended to each religion. I've documented this connection in THE EYE OF RA.

The picture below--apparently from the movie "Cocoon"--shows a similar glow that I have seen but it is white and not quite the same. Facial features were only faintly visible, if at all, and not like this picture. It's the closest picture I could find to what the telepathic hypnosis illusion looks like to me. Of course, other people may remember them looking differently because these abducting ETs can project anything they want to project into the minds of the abducted spirits during NDEs.

https://s2.qwant.com/thumbr/0x0/e/4/70ce4b8cecb1a7b49657dc4d3e6b74d3e02ec726323924ee768fd3a425ff95/8.jpg?u=https%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-MVxfBg4IvDs%2FTlplcqW59tI%2FAAAAAAAAAOQ%2FwMO6DX8eMVI%2Fs1600%2F8.jpg&q=0&b=1&p=0&a=0

In NDE's, most people report about the tunnel, the life review, an overwhelming feeling of love and peace, and learning that loving others, is the most important lesson. People also tend to experience healing, both physically and mentally, and the NDE is usually a watershed moment, turning their life around in a profoundly positive way... One would think, that this is a sign that the experience is good and life affirming... But is it all just a charade, made up by ET's intended to control and manipulate us?
One last question: Which religion is NOT made up by the mantis /annunaki?

You raise some really good points, delfine.

You are correct in that many who experienced NDEs have turned their lives around in a positive way. Dannion Brinkley is a good example. On the other hand people also report some pretty harrowing experiences during NDEs. It varies.

One of the main phenomena that addresses some of your points is what I was calling "telepathic hypnosis" nearly thirty years ago.

At that time I was focused just on me, my family and my fellow abductees that I worked with, and trying to understand what was happening to us. We found all of what you mention--the book of life, feelings love and peace, being drawn toward a light at the end of a tunnel, etc. [BTW, there is a good depiction of this phenomenon in the movie “Stargate”.]

Also, at that time I was not initially reading any books on this subject so my research was totally independent and without any bias--Just truth seeking without outside influence. I found out about the telepathic hypnosis phenomenon early on in my research. Not having read any books on the subject, I had to come up with my own terms like “telepathic hypnosis”. Later in my research I found that term in Billy Meier’s “Contact Notes” books, and according to Billy Meier the Pleiadians shortened the term “telepathic hypnosis” to “telenosis”.

Through this ability they can effectively control people’s minds even when they are out of body. [Don’t ask me how they do this, but theoretically this could be purely a psychic ability or it could be enhanced with technology. As I discovered, these abducting ETs rely very heavily on technology.]

The main point about “telepathic hypnosis” is that these ETs can implant anything they want to implant in the minds of the abductees—both positive and negative. It is well known that abductees are often programmed during the abduction to remember it as a pleasant experience even though it was anything but that.
NDEs are in fact an abduction. The “light at the end of the tunnel” is basically a very long high-tech vacuum hose that sucks you up into the mothership. In my case I am pulled into a very big, spherical ship via a circular indentation in the ship that looks like a dish.

It’s all technology. I surmise that we all have some sort of a spirit identification frequency that they can latch onto. It may even have an automation aspect to it (such as ET AI”) to detect when a person dies or suffers an accident or is drugged on a hospital operation table.]

What I found in my research is that either way you look at it, they are programming us without our consent regardless of whether we dub it positive or negative. As I discovered, the Mantis work directly with the Anunnaki in creating a heaven/hell, reward/punishment, good/evil, positive/negative dialectic to manipulate and control religious beliefs. We are being deceived. I cover this in more detail in THE EYE OF RA.

[Anu Raman]

@TrumanCash

Maybe this will help a bit.

This is updated though.

1. The Grays that you know, are banned from Earth. They've been banned from Earth for quite some time. Any banned species caught on Earth, risk death. They are associated with another species that you are not aware of. They were dangerous.

2. The Abductees have an unique consciousness field identifier. (Your "spirit identification frequency"). Every life form on this planet carries a CFID assigned to it.. even a tree. Consciousness field is a fringe magnetic mechanism from the core which keeps your body's chemical balance 'activated' and 'animated'.

3. You are correct on the position where other species were manipulating religious control, belief, out of body experiences, etc. In recent times the pyramids of this planet, known as "Earth Force" had been boosted to prevent "energy portals" from these species known as "archons" and other species from coming and doing what they wish on this planet. The Anunnaki are just as guilty of manipulation as well, before the recent command change. Now they do not do this anymore.

4. The consciousness field identifier, is the key to your 'past life' information. However, you may not have experienced a real past life, but you are experiencing a memory of another individual who shared that identifier with you, thus storing memory in your light strands. You will come to know them as "past lives" which in fact, are just your "splits"...

5. Abductions of special kinds which are "bathed in light", is a reality shifting mechanism. They shift your reality to focus onto your consciousness field. This consciousness field is a field that supports your body animation, the ability to convert chemicals in your mitochondrion structure which gives you energy and the ability to move your muscles. The "bathed light" gives all the information of the consciousness field identifier to the abductor as they view it on a screen, as they can see your past lives-memories attached to your light strands.


6. An, Anunnaki, etc, have many names. It is possible that you have met him once or twice. An does meet many individuals. The word 'ptah' is "Emau" ... creator of this universe which also has many names too.

An's decree of the Anunnakene... (Earth date Jan 2022)

1. Abductions and mutilations are no longer allowed upon the Earth. Anyone caught abducting and mutilating, are cast from this planet and put to death.
2. Manipulations of belief are no longer allowed. Belief is to be discarded, only experience relied upon.
3. Banned species upon the Earth, are immediately removed. (Grays and others were recently effectively removed from this planet)
4. War declaration against the "Nemicra" federation; allies of the grays, etc..


Long story but short -

In the old days, the anunnaki experienced a drastic cataclysm in this solar system. It drove these people 'mad' as they had played as 'gods' on their own creation, Man. War broke out between them. When the war came to an end, they were hit with a cataclysmic force equating that the consciousness field of Earth began rejecting non-indigenous beings on the planet, thus killing them, meanwhile at the same time, a cosmic force, an entity was in the solar system, destroying a huge salt water based planet, and begun to munch on Mars. The group "Anunnaki" that you once knew, died on this planet. An was the last to die.. for reasons unspecified. They all died, however, some cosmic force, known as "ptah" aka "emau" resurrected them and placed them in a "duplicate" system called the "other side". An surrendered his powers to the newly formed council known as the "triumvirate" and no longer had any control over Earth nor anything. Until in recent times, the "other side" imploded, and the tunnel to the other side via the sun, collapsed, enforced the council to concede powers and authority back to An. This is a very long story.. but you can imagine it as well.


The past is the past. It is over.

Things start anew now.. since the main persona "An" is now in charge...


Hope this helps.. and if you got any questions, I can share it with you on here. I am limited to what I can share, but I'll try my best.

I can understand a lot of confusion coming from people on Earth.. over these years of manipulative tactics done upon Mankind..

Well.. no more.

-An.

EDIT: Did you know that worship is forbidden?.. In An's society on the "other side" of this reality, worship and gods are forbidden. An is not a god, nor will anyone else be. A society based upon passion.... is a society that thrives.

[TrumanCash]

@TrumanCash

Maybe this will help a bit.

This is updated though.

1. The Grays that you know, are banned from Earth. They've been banned from Earth for quite some time. Any banned species caught on Earth, risk death. They are associated with another species that you are not aware of. They were dangerous.

2. The Abductees have an unique consciousness field identifier. (Your "spirit identification frequency"). Every life form on this planet carries a CFID assigned to it.. even a tree. Consciousness field is a fringe magnetic mechanism from the core which keeps your body's chemical balance 'activated' and 'animated'.

3. You are correct on the position where other species were manipulating religious control, belief, out of body experiences, etc. In recent times the pyramids of this planet, known as "Earth Force" had been boosted to prevent "energy portals" from these species known as "archons" and other species from coming and doing what they wish on this planet. The Anunnaki are just as guilty of manipulation as well, before the recent command change. Now they do not do this anymore.

4. The consciousness field identifier, is the key to your 'past life' information. However, you may not have experienced a real past life, but you are experiencing a memory of another individual who shared that identifier with you, thus storing memory in your light strands. You will come to know them as "past lives" which in fact, are just your "splits"...

5. Abductions of special kinds which are "bathed in light", is a reality shifting mechanism. They shift your reality to focus onto your consciousness field. This consciousness field is a field that supports your body animation, the ability to convert chemicals in your mitochondrion structure which gives you energy and the ability to move your muscles. The "bathed light" gives all the information of the consciousness field identifier to the abductor as they view it on a screen, as they can see your past lives-memories attached to your light strands.


6. An, Anunnaki, etc, have many names. It is possible that you have met him once or twice. An does meet many individuals. The word 'ptah' is "Emau" ... creator of this universe which also has many names too.

An's decree of the Anunnakene... (Earth date Jan 2022)

1. Abductions and mutilations are no longer allowed upon the Earth. Anyone caught abducting and mutilating, are cast from this planet and put to death.
2. Manipulations of belief are no longer allowed. Belief is to be discarded, only experience relied upon.
3. Banned species upon the Earth, are immediately removed. (Grays and others were recently effectively removed from this planet)
4. War declaration against the "Nemicra" federation; allies of the grays, etc..


Long story but short -

In the old days, the anunnaki experienced a drastic cataclysm in this solar system. It drove these people 'mad' as they had played as 'gods' on their own creation, Man. War broke out between them. When the war came to an end, they were hit with a cataclysmic force equating that the consciousness field of Earth began rejecting non-indigenous beings on the planet, thus killing them, meanwhile at the same time, a cosmic force, an entity was in the solar system, destroying a huge salt water based planet, and begun to munch on Mars. The group "Anunnaki" that you once knew, died on this planet. An was the last to die.. for reasons unspecified. They all died, however, some cosmic force, known as "ptah" aka "emau" resurrected them and placed them in a "duplicate" system called the "other side". An surrendered his powers to the newly formed council known as the "triumvirate" and no longer had any control over Earth nor anything. Until in recent times, the "other side" imploded, and the tunnel to the other side via the sun, collapsed, enforced the council to concede powers and authority back to An. This is a very long story.. but you can imagine it as well.


The past is the past. It is over.

Things start anew now.. since the main persona "An" is now in charge...


Hope this helps.. and if you got any questions, I can share it with you on here. I am limited to what I can share, but I'll try my best.

I can understand a lot of confusion coming from people on Earth.. over these years of manipulative tactics done upon Mankind..

Well.. no more.

-An.

EDIT: Did you know that worship is forbidden?.. In An's society on the "other side" of this reality, worship and gods are forbidden. An is not a god, nor will anyone else be. A society based upon passion.... is a society that thrives.

What is the source of your information?

[Anu Raman]

What is the source of your information?

I am the source of the information ;)

[edina]

What is the source of your information?

I am the source of the information ;)

I'm curious to see how this develops. ;)

As I a very young child I was regularly visited by what I called "light" beings, not so much because they looked like what Truman describes, they didn't, but because in their presence everything radiated light, rather than absorbing it.

Around 3 or 4, that stopped. And then later, around 5, another sort of experiences happened that fit well the typical descriptions associated with abductions.

My mother was an experiencer her entire life, and could astral travel, at will. I suspect I do, but not so much, at will. I have an awareness of lots various experiences, but do not assign the sorts of meaning to them that most people do. I feel there is much more to our humanity, and our human instruments (to borrow James Mahu's term) than we imagine, much less realize.

I have seen the white light sort of beings, intense blue eyes. It seemed to me that they were looking into my brain at the time. Curious about me, I suppose. And also, others that I describe in a thread about Cygnus. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76733-The-Cygnus-Mystery&p=1045074&viewfull=1#post1045074)

These sorts of experiences were normal in my family. My mother talked of a grandfather who demonstrated telekinesis. Another who traveled Germany, where that part of my family is from, healing people. Both my Granny and I have been reported to have "bi-located". I can see why people connect this as genetic line artifact, but I personally believe all humans have similar capacities, they are just suppressed in various ways.

In addition to our cells being essentially "over-unity generators" via our mitochondria, there seems to be a lot of quantum tunneling action happening. I find myself curious about how this works, how we interact via the aetheric field, genetically. Is our physical DNA a shadow of our energetic/spiritual DNA? That sort of thing.... ????

I have personally experienced beings whose magnetic fields handicapped human magnetic fields, sort of knocking out human consciousness in their presence. It was unintentional. Their fields were simply stronger than human fields. It takes a strong presence of mind to hold one's on in their presence. These beings seemed connected to something happening in Antarctica?

These experiences, along with watching how the weakening magnetic field of the planet affects the local field of consciousness is one reason I'm intrigued with your comments about magnetism, An.

There are others I've experienced that seem to have an almost anti-gravity affect around them.
It's all quite curious.

I'd love to understand these, and countless other experiences better, but am unwilling to put any one else between me and my direct connection to source. Seems so many want to be some sort of middle person, and then... most are just as ill-informed as me. :confused::rolleyes:

Some of what you describe above, An, seems to mirror/echo some things coming from Kim Goguen, and some of Paul Furber's sources. They assign different causality, but the effect is similar.

Circumstances here on our little planet and in our solar system are shifting, to be sure.

I think the next most natural question I have is this:

If you are who you say you are, then why are you here on Avalon?

At first it seemed important to you that you share the information about folate. However, now, you seem to also have other purposes, too.

I ask this question out of curiosity, not to be confrontational.

[onawah]

Dannion Brinkely is not such a good example.


As I recall, Brinkely was pretty much exposed as a conman.
There was a thread about him which I participated in some time ago, until his story began to fall apart.
He's joined up with David Wilcock and Corey Goode, which kind of proves the point.
See: https://www.oom2.com/t70426-david-shilcock-and-his-new-pet-old-guy-dannion-brinkley-plus-report-wilcock-s-fraudulent-501c3-here-s-how
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I think he is partly genuine, but parts of his story have not held together., such as his claims about his service in the military.
Dr. Raymond Moody gave him the benefit of a doubt here: https://ndestories.org/dannion-brinkley/
...but that was back in 1999.
Some of his prophecies came true, some didn't, some may still prove accurate...or not...
This is sort of happening now: "Vision 12. A brilliant biological engineer developed a virus that could manufacture computer chips, which became ubiquitous and eventually were implanted in virtually all humans, with dystopian sci-fi consequences."
He's a real mixture.

The following review (https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/319103.Saved_by_the_Light) of his book "Saved by the Light" says he is a fraud:


THIS BOOK IS A LITERARY FRAUD.

See STOLEN VALOR pp 385-387

The author of Stolen Valor filed a freedom of information request for the military records of Dannion Brinkley.
Not only was Brinkley not a "marine corps assassin" in Vietnam,

HE NEVER LEFT THE UNITED STATES DURING HIS 18 MONTHS OF SERVICE.

He spent his time in a Transportation Battalion at Atlanta Georgia.
Trucking supplies like toilet paper & blankets to other Marine facilities in the US.

He attended NO schools for specialized combat operations,
and Received NO medals related to the war.
The entire book is FICTION.


Another book reviewer said:


This book was EXACTLY what I expected- complete and utter bull***t. This guy claims he had a near death experience where "beings of light" showed him the future. Only problem is, most of the things they showed him didn't happen. In 1993, when he wrote the book, he claimed that they showed him Chernobyl, the fall of the Soviet Union, and the gulf war. But all his predictions that weren't made "after the fact" were wrong. He said there would be a nuclear disaster in 1995. that early in the 21st century the US would be destroyed by earthquakes, that the US would fall apart and be bankrupt in 2000, that a religion would rise based on environmentalism, and become powerful enough to take over the world, etc. He also says that these beings of light commanded him to build centers where people would be healed by energy. It's crazy. The man is either a certifiable lunatic, or, more likely, a fraud.

I also lost all respect for David Moody (who is the guru of Near Death Experience) because he believed in and promoted this guy. It was so obvious that everything this guy said was baloney. I just can't believe that people actually believe this garbage


Also wikipedia article on his book (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saved_by_the_Light) has a section:
[INDENT]
Some of the book's assertions were subsequently challenged, including claims of where and how Brinkley recovered and how long he was supposedly dead,[4] and claims made about his military service record.[5][6][7] Interviews with his physician and the reporter who interviewed him indicate that Brinkley never entered the hospital or morgue and that Brinkley originally did not claim to have died, but only that he "was out for a few minutes", and that his wife saved his life.



You are correct in that many who experienced NDEs have turned their lives around in a positive way. Dannion Brinkley is a good example. On the other hand people also report some pretty harrowing experiences during NDEs. It varies.

[Bill Ryan]

What is the source of your information?
I am the source of the information ;)Mod note from Bill:

This is just a comment intended to be helpful when dealing with personal statements of this kind.

It's always useful, specially to avoid sharp I'm-right-you're-wrong disagreements, to preface strongly worded personal views with riders or caveats that soften the impact for others, and encourage discussion.

Those familiar with my own posting style will recognize that I often say things like as best I believe I know, or my experience leads me to believe, or I'm as sure as I can be that... etc etc. Or even describing exactly how a certain opinion was arrived at, e.g.. through regression, an OBE, the experience of a close friend, and so on.

I'm sure I do sometimes make flat-out take-it-or-leave-it statements that might seem extreme to others, but maybe not all that many these days.

I recently shared a very strong, wild, complex, and emotional personal experience with a close friend. But it was the first time I'd shared it with anyone in that amount of detail, because it was just too unbelievable. I stressed that I couldn't prove a thing, and was really just reporting my subjective experience.

I wasn't trying to persuade them to believe anything. I just strongly suspected that they'd find it interesting. (And they did.) But no way was I trying to lay any kind of "I'm right and I know it" trip on them.

So, lots of this is about how something is presented. The key factor here is whether one's encouraging discussion or not.

As best I believe I know (and that was truly not meant as a joke), Anu Raman is incorrect in many of his statements in his post above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1518418#post1518418). I might be wrong, of course.

But having said that, I don't feel strongly enough about the topic to engage in discussion about it. For quite some while now, I've not really engaged in much if any debate about spiritual or esoteric subjects. Experience has taught me that it's not always that worthwhile, I'm comfortable with what I believe I know and understand for myself, and I'm not out to persuade anyone else that they may be wrong.

:)

:focus:

[edina]

Dannion Brinkely is not such a good example.

Someone close to me shared with me of how he saw Dannon Brinkley harvesting energy from someone while they were talking.
This raised red flags for him, regarding Dannon.

I guess it helps to be able to "see" energy in this way.

Raymond's Moody's research has been continued by others. Larry Dossey MD talks about how the NDE has expanded into "Shared Death Experiences", in which family members are now also experiencing similar experiences to the near death experiencers, in his book "One Mind (https://blog.higherjourneys.com/larry-dossey-the-one-mind-and-our-connection-to-it/)."

My Mom just died, last month. In the last few days of her life she was almost continually distracted by what was happening in the "tunnel". It often interfered with her ability to even see this world.

Is it possible that as the magnetic field weakens, are we able to expand our awareness of reality?

How does the concept of "non-local" mind play into this?

Personally, I am interested in this topic. Mostly, I'm interested in the science of it as a way to gain a better understanding of the nature of reality, and also, general human potential.

Now tie this in with Jayke's book, Trinosophia (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119387-New-Book-Trinosophia-Language-of-the-Birds-Measure-of-Man-Science-of-the-Soul), and it gets really interesting to me.. :sun:

Especially with the idea of how deepening our character affects how our neurobiology expresses, allowing more light to travel OUR neuro-pathways... super intriguing idea.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBfK-vGygvk

[Michel Leclerc]

(...)

I am the source of the information ;)

Fine, Anu Raman. We all are in a way the source of the information we pass on.

Yet – or rather: thus – could you inform me

(1) how it is possible that our "unique consciousness field identifier" can be ”shared“ with somebody else so that our "past life" is actually his/her/its life (if I have understood you correctly)?

(2) how there is a movement from "Ptah" to "Emau” ? or (as a prerequisite to your explanation maybe), considering that Ptah means "opener" or "opening", what is the meaning of "Emau" – and then, well, yes: why there is an evolution from one meaning to another, or: what does this specific change “mean“?

[Anu Raman]

What is the source of your information?
I am the source of the information ;)Mod note from Bill:

This is just a comment intended to be helpful when dealing with personal statements of this kind.

It's always useful, specially to avoid sharp I'm-right-you're-wrong disagreements, to preface strongly worded personal views with riders or caveats that soften the impact for others, and encourage discussion.

Those familiar with my own posting style will recognize that I often say things like as best I believe I know, or my experience leads me to believe, or I'm as sure as I can be that... etc etc. Or even describing exactly how a certain opinion was arrived at, e.g.. through regression, an OBE, the experience of a close friend, and so on.

I'm sure I do sometimes make flat-out take-it-or-leave-it statements that might seem extreme to others, but maybe not all that many these days.

I recently shared a very strong, wild, complex, and emotional personal experience with a close friend. But it was the first time I'd shared it with anyone in that amount of detail, because it was just too unbelievable. I stressed that I couldn't prove a thing, and was really just reporting my subjective experience.

I wasn't trying to persuade them to believe anything. I just strongly suspected that they'd find it interesting. (And they did.) But no way was I trying to lay any kind of "I'm right and I know it" trip on them.

So, lots of this is about how something is presented. The key factor here is whether one's encouraging discussion or not.

As best I believe I know (and that was truly not meant as a joke), Anu Raman is incorrect in many of his statements in his post above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1518418#post1518418). I might be wrong, of course.

But having said that, I don't feel strongly enough about the topic to engage in discussion about it. For quite some while now, I've not really engaged in much if any debate about spiritual or esoteric subjects. Experience has taught me that it's not always that worthwhile, I'm comfortable with what I believe I know and understand for myself, and I'm not out to persuade anyone else that they may be wrong.

:)

:focus:

Yes.. I should have said "In the matter of my opinion" ...

How is it that when someone trips over a garden hose, dislike that feeling, when it's only repeated?

To me, belief is discarded, only relying on experience alone. Belief is a major problem on this planet. Look at where we are now, because of it.

I am that I am.

I am here to share some important stuff, and if need be, I will clam up on the 'spiritual' stuff and only focus on what is on hand.

I do sometimes get ahead of myself... 'thinking' it's okay to share when it isn't. :facepalm:

[Anu Raman]

(...)

I am the source of the information ;)

Fine, Anu Raman. We all are in a way the source of the information we pass on.

Yet – or rather: thus – could you inform me

(1) how it is possible that our "unique consciousness field identifier" can be ”shared“ with somebody else so that our "past life" is actually his/her/its life (if I have understood you correctly)?

(2) how there is a movement from "Ptah" to "Emau” ? or (as a prerequisite to your explanation maybe), considering that Ptah means "opener" or "opening", what is the meaning of "Emau" – and then, well, yes: why there is an evolution from one meaning to another, or: what does this specific change “mean“?

1. Your "original" 'split' him/herself to give you life here on Earth. Not only you, but many others in the past. Each 'split' shares identical 'water memory' throughout time.

The reason for the 'splitting' is because they cannot come here to Earth. Earth is still 'hostile' to them, in terms of magnetism due to an previous cataclysmic injury. When you travel to another star system, you are required to know the intended target 'solar system' compatibilities with yourself. It's not like star trek where you can go to another system with ease. There are rules.

2. There are two cosmic entities of this universe. Emau and Emah. They both were once upon a time "Emat", until he split himself, wanting to experience all that there is. As an result, it produced an negative half of himself, called an "emah".. a cosmic devourer of worlds. I can only assume that "Ptah" was a word once upon a time used.

[Anu Raman]

In addition to our cells being essentially "over-unity generators" via our mitochondria, there seems to be a lot of quantum tunneling action happening. I find myself curious about how this works, how we interact via the aetheric field, genetically. Is our physical DNA a shadow of our energetic/spiritual DNA? That sort of thing.... ????

I think the next most natural question I have is this:

If you are who you say you are, then why are you here on Avalon?


<snip quotes>

You are correct about the mitochondria 'exhibiting' some form of quantum tunneling. The best scientist in the world would not even know this unless he/she has a keen mind for the "other stuff".... Quano technology was used to develop cells, and as a result from that development, it absorbed the pattern of intermingling with cellular magnetic forces. The very foundation cells, of how they operate, are based on "Famaldian" magnetism. That word is not known, because it's a word that I use to describe it. There may be another word for this which I am not aware of. Quano is Quantum + Nano and in that combined act, it goes beyond the nano meter, which is scientifically known as the 'pico meter'. The more advanced quantum technology gets, the more awareness it come out of, by new scientific discoveries, over time.

The most recent one I am very fascinated with is this: https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-built-a-quantum-microscope-that-can-reveal-unseen-details-of-life

Imagine by going through an advanced stage of quantum, to potentially get right down to the 'pico meter' size.

HMM..

I came to Avalon to share what was needed to be shared in this tumultuous time. I sensed that this site was generating followers looking for certain answers, and on top of that, Avalon is also the name of a "planet ship" in Espace which is now a full bound planet. It was also the name of a crystal city on duplicate Earth on the "other side" at the time when it existed. Life is not without it's irony... just saying.

[onevoice]

5. Some people are very intuitive.. they leave their body at will, and sometimes not even realize it. They visit other people, interact with them in their dreams.. or even in real life, physically, by using another body. Sounds impossible?.. to me, it is not impossible.


For a short time many months ago, I've exchanged PMs with a user here named Helium. He stated to me that he was very intuitive, and was able to assist others during his dreams to help others in this realm transition to the after life and other similar spiritual help as he was psychically connected to. IIRC, he also mentioned that he sometimes help others in real life physically by using another body temporarily. He does this routinely as a matter of compassionate care for the fellow human. He is pretty much able to hear the thoughts of most of the people all around him and assist whenever he deems necessary to assist. Due to his special psychic abilities he was able to "zip" through life almost effortlessly. I hope Helium reads this post and chime in later. He doesn't interact much on this forum much.

Anu, I really appreciate you sharing your special insight into these topics.

[edina]

I took some notes on the OP video and decided to share here :

Key points for me:
1. UAP, Evolutionary Primers. Hearts and Minds of man will awaken to new reality
So many minds focus on a single subject. Big subject, “Are we alone we are in the universe?” Opening inquiry into the biggest question, Does human consciousness survive death of the body? Understanding the Afterlife.
2. Bernard Carr – hyperspace (hierachies of spaces) (lots of books listed below video linked (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30JTeWttTac&t=0s))in description box.
Hyperspace, Consciousness, and Time with Bernard Carr, 20200828, Jeffrey Mishlove… (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30JTeWttTac&t=0s)
3. Knowledge of afterlife is knowledge of human consciousness. Knowledge of self.
4. BICS, Robert Bigelow, Consciousness Survives Death essays contest (https://www.bigelowinstitute.org/contest_winners3.php). Downloaded pdf’s of these essays, many of which are over 100 pages long.
5. 20:00 (https://youtu.be/9mMA-U0k-jE?t=1200), no words to describe experience, Michel Leclerc focused on this in one of his responses (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119534-UFOs-the-After-Life&p=1518313&viewfull=1#post1518313)

"words" do not exist by themselves but are always accompanied by their "meanings", and by extension "sentences", "statements" etc. by their "complex combination of meanings" or by their "intentions". When we speak with each other we do not just hear words, we comprehend meanings, intentions etc.

That resembles closely the NDExperiencer’s understanding of the thoughts of persons surrounding their body without them voicing them. Experiences involving MR scanning of brain patterns have shown that people actually communicate through mirroring brain patterns both when they talk to each other and when they send each other messages telepathically. A conversation between humans could more adequately be described as a telepathic experience in presence of the person combined with some sort of "word music" or "word dance" functioning as an aesthetic experience and/or as an assurance of the “3-D” reality of it.
A few ideas emerge from Michel's comment:

His comment is very beautifully written, there is a natural poetic cadence in the rhythm of the words.
There is this sort of precise research happening regarding telepathy?
How can I find the papers written based on this research?
Question, considering this and the descriptions of communication once the body has died; it appears that this mirroring of brain patterns happens without need of a physical body/brain, so … it’s not necessarily brain dependent?
If so, what is the mechanism for it, sans physical body.

6. The Raymond Moody books are in the Avalon Library
https://avalonlibrary.net/?search=moody
https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Raymond%20Moody%20-%20Life%20After%20Life.pdf
https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Raymond%20Moody%20-%20Reunions%20-%20Visionary%20Encounters%20with%20Departed%20Loved%20Ones.pdf
7. 35:15 (https://youtu.be/9mMA-U0k-jE?t=2115) The way we experience time in physical is alien to our true nature. (the zooming in and out feature of consciousness described by one woman is natural)
8. Profound degree of loneliness. Isolation and loneliness. (refer to various culture’s ways of helping people die)
9. Wants to do a follow-up on the Life Review process in the NDE.
10. Question of dangers and risks,
Connection between attention
attention attracts attention
(the in your face of a presence is something I’ve experienced.)
If billions of people focus on this, would that concentration of attention from humanity cause change in activity from the various phenomenon
I’ve personally experienced this, sometimes, when you look, others look back

https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=420,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/086/589/266/original/ef2b33064608066d.jpg
Sometimes, when you look at Infinity, Infinity looks back.
11. He did this video in varying segments, over time, and in different environments. Works because it also breaks up the background. And from the perspective of someone creating content, it doesn’t have to be done all in one go. This style is very do-able.

[amor]

Several times I posted on Avalon references to a seeming beatific vision outside of time experienced many decades ago as I was about to begin my adventure into independent adult life. Now, I realize that my consciousness was hijacked by a being in a UFO. Although the experience was sublime and had long-term aftereffects on me, I do not wish to delude myself. I now wonder what they were really doing to me during this episode outside of time. Pleasant as it was, delusion is not something I wish to substitute for reality.

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Edina. I will answer your question and add a few things to your notes.
Your questions.
There is this sort of precise research happening regarding telepathy? Yes. The research started from the fundamental finding that sentences, or rather sentence meanings, are presented in the brain neuron firing patterns in a uniquely recognisable way. As far as I remember, these patterns are in "nanoseconds‘” advance on the actual saying of the sentence meaning, and more specifically follow a path of "meaning configuration” --> "choice of language” --> “linguistic configuration” (words in syntax, but yet unspoken) --> muscular activation and phonic expression as an utterance that can be heard (incidentally vindicating the Aristotelian description of the process and Naum Chomsky’s presuppositions of his transformational generative syntax). The experiment was a variant on the numerous experiences of telepathy as in two people (a sender and a receiver) being in separate rooms, one sending an "idea" (a geometrical figure for instance) and the other drawing, or noting, what she/he received received: with the sender and the receiver each being in a dedicated MR scanner, the sender "sending" a sentence, or sentence meaning, to the receiver and the receiver registering it. It was found that the brain activating patterns were similar. The idea of "mirroring" is a continuation of the idea of neuronal mirroring of emotions that had been found earlier. Experiences of joy and sadness corresponding to patterns similar in both the "expresser" of the emotions and the person witnessing the emotions.
How can I find the papers written based on this research? A justified question. I remember seeing that somewhere, probably on the Internet, in this millenium but I do not remember where. Meanwhile research may, or will rather, have gone beyond that – and do we know? Probably I was more interested in applying those discoveries as a language learning coach. To students who needed to acquire a new language in a limited timespan and were quite stressed about it, I told this story and pointed out that this implies that "angelic conversation" is continuously taking place between people (or, in other words, that we cannot NOT communicate – a refusal to communicate is communicated). So instead of convincing ourselves that there are so many formidable hurdles to take we may be helped when we try and accept that we are always communicating (or transmitting telepathically) anyway and that we can welcome that, and that as a result of that we can also find joy in "dancing the language dance" with the person – for beauty’s sake and as a token of our profound acceptance of our embodiment. (We do not so much, I think, need to be “spirited” out of the body but to embody our acceptance of our spirit's love for the body we are in. Our coming here on Earth is divine incarnation, and that we should love and accept even if it involves dying on a cross.)
Question, considering this and the descriptions of communication once the body has died; it appears that this mirroring of brain patterns happens without need of a physical body/brain, so … it’s not necessarily brain dependent? I guess it is not. Maybe there is a conceptual error in the word "dependent". I was once given a visionary experience in which the "superior being" communicated and showed to me that my body and "his" body were the same – although representing, or presenting, this "same" in a different medium so to speak (I am trying to find words for the ineffable..) – or to use a modern analogy maybe, the relationship feels like the identity of two "parts" of a fractal hologram. My suggestion of “permeatingness“ of the "higher" dimensions into the "lower" ones tries to verbalise the intuition in another way. People who relate mystical experiences often tell that there is no real "hierarchy" of dimensions, chakras, consciousness levels etc. The "lower" vibrations are not less good than the "higher"; the divine created them all. (Incarnating is a sought-for prize among the more "spiritual" "beings".) The chakras can be represented as a ladder, but equally well as a wheel. When my dog and I communicate telepathically and we add to that our languages of tail-wagging and turning-about dances and sentences gently spoken, is it not wise to assume that our inner worlds "in love" are equally rich?

If so, what is the mechanism for it, sans physical body. Just like "dependent", I think, Edina, if you allow me to say so, that "mechanism" is not the best choice of words to express what our intuition allows us to conceive. The Greek mechanè, the Latin machina.. what Heidegger calls das Gestell, how terribly "just 3D+ and nothing more".. are those terms. We need different metaphors to describe what is happening. But, as I wrote elsewhere, we have to get out of the desire to "operationalise" what we "intuit".. We can lengthen and strengthen what our arm muscles can do and make a hammer to use; but how could we "use" what "consciousness sharing" allows us to access or be graced with and hence, what could we then "make"? If it is only feasible through creation (creating both the Creator and the creature), we can make ourselves readier maybe, worthier, opener for these transforming, "trans-creating" experiences...

[edina]

Thank you Edina. I will answer your question and add a few things to your notes.
Your questions.
There is this sort of precise research happening regarding telepathy? Yes. The research started from the fundamental finding that sentences, or rather sentence meanings, are presented in the brain neuron firing patterns in a uniquely recognisable way. As far as I remember, these patterns are in "nanoseconds‘” advance on the actual saying of the sentence meaning, and more specifically follow a path of "meaning configuration” --> "choice of language” --> “linguistic configuration” (words in syntax, but yet unspoken) --> muscular activation and phonic expression as an utterance that can be heard (incidentally vindicating the Aristotelian description of the process and Naum Chomsky’s presuppositions of his transformational generative syntax). The experiment was a variant on the numerous experiences of telepathy as in two people (a sender and a receiver) being in separate rooms, one sending an "idea" (a geometrical figure for instance) and the other drawing, or noting, what she/he received received: with the sender and the receiver each being in a dedicated MR scanner, the sender "sending" a sentence, or sentence meaning, to the receiver and the receiver registering it. It was found that the brain activating patterns were similar. The idea of "mirroring" is a continuation of the idea of neuronal mirroring of emotions that had been found earlier. Experiences of joy and sadness corresponding to patterns similar in both the "expresser" of the emotions and the person witnessing the emotions.
How can I find the papers written based on this research? A justified question. I remember seeing that somewhere, probably on the Internet, in this millenium but I do not remember where. Meanwhile research may, or will rather, have gone beyond that – and do we know? Probably I was more interested in applying those discoveries as a language learning coach. To students who needed to acquire a new language in a limited timespan and were quite stressed about it, I told this story and pointed out that this implies that "angelic conversation" is continuously taking place between people (or, in other words, that we cannot NOT communicate – a refusal to communicate is communicated). So instead of convincing ourselves that there are so many formidable hurdles to take we may be helped when we try and accept that we are always communicating (or transmitting telepathically) anyway and that we can welcome that, and that as a result of that we can also find joy in "dancing the language dance" with the person – for beauty’s sake and as a token of our profound acceptance of our embodiment. (We do not so much, I think, need to be “spirited” out of the body but to embody our acceptance of our spirit's love for the body we are in. Our coming here on Earth is divine incarnation, and that we should love and accept even if it involves dying on a cross.)
Question, considering this and the descriptions of communication once the body has died; it appears that this mirroring of brain patterns happens without need of a physical body/brain, so … it’s not necessarily brain dependent? I guess it is not. Maybe there is a conceptual error in the word "dependent". I was once given a visionary experience in which the "superior being" communicated and showed to me that my body and "his" body were the same – although representing, or presenting, this "same" in a different medium so to speak (I am trying to find words for the ineffable..) – or to use a modern analogy maybe, the relationship feels like the identity of two "parts" of a fractal hologram. My suggestion of “permeatingness“ of the "higher" dimensions into the "lower" ones tries to verbalise the intuition in another way. People who relate mystical experiences often tell that there is no real "hierarchy" of dimensions, chakras, consciousness levels etc. The "lower" vibrations are not less good than the "higher"; the divine created them all. (Incarnating is a sought-for prize among the more "spiritual" "beings".) The chakras can be represented as a ladder, but equally well as a wheel. When my dog and I communicate telepathically and we add to that our languages of tail-wagging and turning-about dances and sentences gently spoken, is it not wise to assume that our inner worlds "in love" are equally rich?

If so, what is the mechanism for it, sans physical body. Just like "dependent", I think, Edina, if you allow me to say so, that "mechanism" is not the best choice of words to express what our intuition allows us to conceive. The Greek mechanè, the Latin machina.. what Heidegger calls das Gestell, how terribly "just 3D+ and nothing more".. are those terms. We need different metaphors to describe what is happening. But, as I wrote elsewhere, we have to get out of the desire to "operationalise" what we "intuit".. We can lengthen and strengthen what our arm muscles can do and make a hammer to use; but how could we "use" what "consciousness sharing" allows us to access or be graced with and hence, what could we then "make"? If it is only feasible through creation (creating both the Creator and the creature), we can make ourselves readier maybe, worthier, opener for these transforming, "trans-creating" experiences...

This is extraordinary. Thank You. Heartfelt thanks. :heart:

[edina]

When I was hiking the Appalachian Trail, there was a time toward the end where I kept hearing in my mind's ear, "You are still thinking inside the box." I'm a rather outside-the-box thinker, so this surprised me.

One morning, very early, in the soft gray dawn, I saw a yellow butterfly beside the trail.

I stopped to take a photo of it, but I couldn't get a clear angle. I thought to myself about this, and the butterfly, lifted and moved slightly to a better angle.

I tried to take the photo again, and thought again to myself, "I need you to move just a bit more."

The butterfly lifted again, slightly, into a good spot for me to get a decent photo of it.

In my mind, I thought to the butterfly, thank you.

Later, I realized how unusual the situation was. I had admired this particular species of butterfly for days.
They always flew in the sunshine, in the warmest time of the day. The sun wasn't up just yet. It was unusual for the butterfly to even be out at that time of day. And, it seemed responsive to my thoughts.

As I continued to walk the trail that day, I often thought to myself, I'm missing something here? It occurred to me that there was some sort of message that I didn't quite hear. Then I asked myself, What was happening just before I saw that butterfly?

As I asked myself that question I remembered, I was hearing repeatedly, the inner thought, "You're still thinking inside the box." It was probably it's most intense just before this butterfly experience.

The more I thought about it, the more I thought of how humans and nature communicate. There seems to be a dynamic (is this a better word, Michel?) involved in our relationship to creation, inwardly and outwardly that we have yet to fully explore.

I feel that the whole purpose of that Appalachian Trail adventure was to experience that moment. To realize that insight in the way that I did.

I walked away from that moment with a whole new direction for my life.

Thank you Michel, for showing me some edges of the box I think within.

PS: (Like with some of Anu Raman's comments earlier in this thread, it's going to take me a bit to sit with this and let it's deeper meaning unfold. I could almost see patterns enfolded in the words/sentences.)

[edina]

I'm trying to understand, amor, how was this experience delusional?
Did it happen?
Did it not happen?
Or was the meaning you originally assigned it what you consider to be delusional?
How did you come to decide that the experience as you first understood was instead your consciousness being hijacked by a being in a UFO?
And then, when you decided that was the case, did your new understanding invalidate the experience for you?


Several times I posted on Avalon references to a seeming beatific vision outside of time experienced many decades ago as I was about to begin my adventure into independent adult life. Now, I realize that my consciousness was hijacked by a being in a UFO. Although the experience was sublime and had long-term aftereffects on me, I do not wish to delude myself. I now wonder what they were really doing to me during this episode outside of time. Pleasant as it was, delusion is not something I wish to substitute for reality.

[Spiral]

Several times I posted on Avalon references to a seeming beatific vision outside of time experienced many decades ago as I was about to begin my adventure into independent adult life. Now, I realize that my consciousness was hijacked by a being in a UFO. Although the experience was sublime and had long-term aftereffects on me, I do not wish to delude myself. I now wonder what they were really doing to me during this episode outside of time. Pleasant as it was, delusion is not something I wish to substitute for reality.

They are very keen on "screen memories", either that or they just delete your memories.

I'm now of the opinion that their main objective is to make people "open up" to them, and by talking & posting online to get others to "open up" as well, this seems to allow them more access, like it's our "belief" that creates their means of entry into this realm.

I've met abductees that have mediumistic abilities or things that have happened to them, myself included, have you ?

[norman]

edina, it's good to read you.

That inside-outside the box thing is intriguing. In an earlier post someone mentioned the transference of words along with their meaning.

Inside the box, a word carries a meaning, as a payload. Outside the box, a meaning carries a word, like a ball and chain (with "property of the box" stamped all over it).

the 'thinking' itself is garbled by wording out all meaning. Between meaning and a word is a lingual translation process that loses something ( quite a magical lot, really ) in the translation.

I have a hunch we somehow ( maybe not by our own natural choosing ) swapped direct untranslated ability of sharing meaning, for lingual coding, losing meaning both by translation losses and by function replacement of cerebral assets.

[Agape]

Somehow, I don’t feel too good to step to this debate at the moment despite having my share of worthy experiences. But I enjoy reading you all very much here.

As Anu Raman said somewhere in this thread: please do not forget that most of the topic ( both ET Contact and NDEs) covers experiences rather than beliefs or human sciences.
If someone want to be quite scientific about it all they can but will inevitably end up in the area “native to humans”, including neurolinguistic programming and decoding standardised human behaviour and its patterns.

Many people can’t think or work from “out of the box” of their linguistic programs without losing their integrity. That itself poses almost absolute disadvantage in communication with any true ET but some of us did it number of times.

The shift from natural human intelligence towards programmed intelligence happened very fast through past centuries and recent decades, moving some people’s minds and images towards perfected but almost robotic status. Recall the poor dears who work as assistants in various institutions from banks to phone companies , supermarket counters, or worse , medical personnel following protocols , phraseology , list of methods allowed to them and list of medicines they frequently prescribe.
Even teachers and priests repeating the same prayers and phrases everyday just adding new ones times to times to attract more audience.

How many people feel “allowed” to create their world the way biblical Adam did, nearly none except for few poets and drunkards around midnight ,
unfortunately even those
want to sound rather posh and well understood.

And that’s “only” about being human.

Some people need to re-translate everything to the way they think, their own program or one of and feel “excited” for life time about getting everything twice or thrice but at the end they too turn frustrated, confused about which R is tighter and sad about the ambiguity of being “just human”.

True nature of mind is not a term and most certainly not a collection of letters.

True communication happens through own minds: whether you talk to a flower , animal, child of different tribe or entity from outer space,
you may discover this potential in yourself : talking in languages or sound you’ve never made before and yet, conveying the precise meaning you’ve intended to convey.

But it rarely seems to happen to humans nowadays. In fact I’ve never seen such a “wordy civilisation” as we are witnessing now and people talking 90% of their days and turning depressed for having to be alone or quiet even for few hours.
That in turn ( enjoying their talking mind) makes them completely dependent on linguistic programming available.

It even scares me considerably that this civilisation trend should evolve further and become more sophisticated turning humans say to imperfect coding machines,
more likely ticking off options from endless questionnaires in order to reduce processing time .

Where are these digitalised, well programmed humans with perfect phraseology going to end up is not openness and freedom but some may say “easy going, well planned, precalculated, drone like” state of existence. Dummies in short :)

Sounding “posh and articulate” is huge part of the overall problem. If you are in interview or important dialogue between partners for example , notice that speaking “the truth” is usually far less important than “the way you’ve said that”.
In business strategy it again translates as “the better trick to make”.

Plenty of people lost their soul, their religion ( not referring to any in any strict sense) and the access to their own original spirituality in exchange for perfectly looking, articulate, almost artificially sounding communication.

Let’s presume than someone out there ( other than me) arrives at that crossroad in life when you can but have to choose between mental freedom or spiritual path and perfectly looking communication skills that can be turned to a business,
make you a “teacher of humanity” , the best comic , journalist or entrepreneur :

it’s entirely upon you which path you choose at any given moment but again 90% of people do the mistake of choosing the later against being alone in it for a timebeing : that may last long in human life or fear of losing yourself and your precious mind and so forth..


“What is freedom ? Chuang”tzu dreaming of Being butterfly”.

“What is freedom ? Freedom to share your Being”.


My dream of future human civilisation would be of one that did not forget its poetry, it’s dreams of other worlds, who did not forsake its seemingly irrational imaginations , who did not forget its respect to its own timeless soul that rejoices and rests in Silence the most ,

and now

I wanna go home


🙏

[Anu Raman]

Thank you Edina. I will answer your question and add a few things to your notes.
Your questions.
There is this sort of precise research happening regarding telepathy? Yes. The research started from the fundamental finding that sentences, or rather sentence meanings, are presented in the brain neuron firing patterns in a uniquely recognisable way. As far as I remember, these patterns are in "nanoseconds‘” advance on the actual saying of the sentence meaning, and more specifically follow a path of "meaning configuration” --> "choice of language” --> “linguistic configuration” (words in syntax, but yet unspoken) --> muscular activation and phonic expression as an utterance that can be heard (incidentally vindicating the Aristotelian description of the process and Naum Chomsky’s presuppositions of his transformational generative syntax). The experiment was a variant on the numerous experiences of telepathy as in two people (a sender and a receiver) being in separate rooms, one sending an "idea" (a geometrical figure for instance) and the other drawing, or noting, what she/he received received: with the sender and the receiver each being in a dedicated MR scanner, the sender "sending" a sentence, or sentence meaning, to the receiver and the receiver registering it. It was found that the brain activating patterns were similar. The idea of "mirroring" is a continuation of the idea of neuronal mirroring of emotions that had been found earlier. Experiences of joy and sadness corresponding to patterns similar in both the "expresser" of the emotions and the person witnessing the emotions.
How can I find the papers written based on this research? A justified question. I remember seeing that somewhere, probably on the Internet, in this millenium but I do not remember where. Meanwhile research may, or will rather, have gone beyond that – and do we know? Probably I was more interested in applying those discoveries as a language learning coach. To students who needed to acquire a new language in a limited timespan and were quite stressed about it, I told this story and pointed out that this implies that "angelic conversation" is continuously taking place between people (or, in other words, that we cannot NOT communicate – a refusal to communicate is communicated). So instead of convincing ourselves that there are so many formidable hurdles to take we may be helped when we try and accept that we are always communicating (or transmitting telepathically) anyway and that we can welcome that, and that as a result of that we can also find joy in "dancing the language dance" with the person – for beauty’s sake and as a token of our profound acceptance of our embodiment. (We do not so much, I think, need to be “spirited” out of the body but to embody our acceptance of our spirit's love for the body we are in. Our coming here on Earth is divine incarnation, and that we should love and accept even if it involves dying on a cross.)
Question, considering this and the descriptions of communication once the body has died; it appears that this mirroring of brain patterns happens without need of a physical body/brain, so … it’s not necessarily brain dependent? I guess it is not. Maybe there is a conceptual error in the word "dependent". I was once given a visionary experience in which the "superior being" communicated and showed to me that my body and "his" body were the same – although representing, or presenting, this "same" in a different medium so to speak (I am trying to find words for the ineffable..) – or to use a modern analogy maybe, the relationship feels like the identity of two "parts" of a fractal hologram. My suggestion of “permeatingness“ of the "higher" dimensions into the "lower" ones tries to verbalise the intuition in another way. People who relate mystical experiences often tell that there is no real "hierarchy" of dimensions, chakras, consciousness levels etc. The "lower" vibrations are not less good than the "higher"; the divine created them all. (Incarnating is a sought-for prize among the more "spiritual" "beings".) The chakras can be represented as a ladder, but equally well as a wheel. When my dog and I communicate telepathically and we add to that our languages of tail-wagging and turning-about dances and sentences gently spoken, is it not wise to assume that our inner worlds "in love" are equally rich?

If so, what is the mechanism for it, sans physical body. Just like "dependent", I think, Edina, if you allow me to say so, that "mechanism" is not the best choice of words to express what our intuition allows us to conceive. The Greek mechanè, the Latin machina.. what Heidegger calls das Gestell, how terribly "just 3D+ and nothing more".. are those terms. We need different metaphors to describe what is happening. But, as I wrote elsewhere, we have to get out of the desire to "operationalise" what we "intuit".. We can lengthen and strengthen what our arm muscles can do and make a hammer to use; but how could we "use" what "consciousness sharing" allows us to access or be graced with and hence, what could we then "make"? If it is only feasible through creation (creating both the Creator and the creature), we can make ourselves readier maybe, worthier, opener for these transforming, "trans-creating" experiences...

You write better than I can! :)

Tip: There is a such thing called the "mindlink" in the brain. All humans have this. It was given when the final prototype of man was developed. Just a matter of properly accessing it.

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Norman. I agree with your description.

I would go a little farther, maybe. In English, which is not particularly distinguished by its meaningful echo effects between words, being naturally disposed to Wittgenstein’s (erroneous) definition of the meaning of a word: "the meaning of a word is its use" – there exists this extraordinary echo between the two meanings of "to mean": things mean things, and we mean things. Two different meanings, one might say, but.. given that the same verb is used for both, does that not hint at the fact that they may be one and the same?

If it is true that we tend to find words in dictionaries, we do not frequently find entire sentences in them except in order to illustrate the listed meaning of words. But when we speak, we do not ordinarily speak in just a few words – although it happens of course, as a kind of shorthand for more “complete” sentences. But mostly we speak in sentences, however elliptical they may be. And even in entire sequences of sentences. Doing so, "we" mean — something. And this meaning of the entire chain of sentences is what we really mean. Intend. Meaning as intention, or intent. Would it then not be logical to say that the meaning of a word that we use is just the “local” portion of our intention which we transmit with the whole set of sentences? Or – if we use my interpretation that communicating what we mean happens telepathically and that the wording is only a "dance" – that they are the local apparition of beauty and of our acceptance of the incarnation/embodiment of meaning into words?

It is not so much, I think, that we "just" use words instead of conveying "untranslated ability of sharing meaning" as you say, it is that we somehow “forget” that we – always, anyhow – communicate meaning directly (because even intention not to communicate is still communication: refusal to convey to people what we mean does convey our meaning (intention) not to convey our meaning). That in parallel, I guess, with our “forgetting” that we are also "fully-grown" "spiritual" beings.

As said many times, direct telepathic communication would render lying impossible. Does it not seem logical then, when we consider human exchanges of their "meaning" as telepathic in nature, that lying is impossible to the extent that we communicate telepathically and are aware of it? Because if we are true to ourselves, we do have this experience of immediately sensing it when we allow ourselves to lie, and we do immediately sense it when the other person is lying to us. On the Internet, one finds interesting descriptions of the cues we can recognise to discover that out conversation partner is lying to us. And although this is valuable, I believe that this discovery or awareness is even more directly created in us by the telepathic nature of the process. Living more than ever as a hermit for three years now, I have discovered that even the smallest lie or half lie (about quantity, time etc.) has become practically impossible for me because it is metaphysically painful. You may know the saying "politeness is the friendliness of the hypocrite". Being polite is a quality, I think, especially when it is actually friendliness. But we all know the perfunctory politeness expressing an absent friendliness – mocked intention is intention to mock.

[Michel Leclerc]

When I was hiking the Appalachian Trail, there was a time toward the end where I kept hearing in my mind's ear, "You are still thinking inside the box." I'm a rather outside-the-box thinker, so this surprised me.

One morning, very early, in the soft gray dawn, I saw a yellow butterfly beside the trail.

I stopped to take a photo of it, but I couldn't get a clear angle. I thought to myself about this, and the butterfly, lifted and moved slightly to a better angle.

I tried to take the photo again, and thought again to myself, "I need you to move just a bit more."

The butterfly lifted again, slightly, into a good spot for me to get a decent photo of it.

In my mind, I thought to the butterfly, thank you.

Later, I realized how unusual the situation was. I had admired this particular species of butterfly for days.
They always flew in the sunshine, in the warmest time of the day. The sun wasn't up just yet. It was unusual for the butterfly to even be out at that time of day. And, it seemed responsive to my thoughts.

As I continued to walk the trail that day, I often thought to myself, I'm missing something here? It occurred to me that there was some sort of message that I didn't quite hear. Then I asked myself, What was happening just before I saw that butterfly?

As I asked myself that question I remembered, I was hearing repeatedly, the inner thought, "You're still thinking inside the box." It was probably it's most intense just before this butterfly experience.

The more I thought about it, the more I thought of how humans and nature communicate. There seems to be a dynamic (is this a better word, Michel?) involved in our relationship to creation, inwardly and outwardly that we have yet to fully explore.

I feel that the whole purpose of that Appalachian Trail adventure was to experience that moment. To realize that insight in the way that I did.

I walked away from that moment with a whole new direction for my life.

Thank you Michel, for showing me some edges of the box I think within.

PS: (Like with some of Anu Raman's comments earlier in this thread, it's going to take me a bit to sit with this and let it's deeper meaning unfold. I could almost see patterns enfolded in the words/sentences.)

What a beautiful story Edina.

Something similar happened to me. Near Brussels (where I used to live for forty years) is a beautiful area, half park, half wood of mostly quite tall beeches, which is called Zoniënwoud in Dutch and Forêt de Soignes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonian_Forest) in French. In the middle of it is a holy area. Along ponds that are actually local “thickenings” of a brook called the Ijse, the 14th-century Dutch-Language mystic Jan van Ruusbroec (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_van_Ruysbroeck) lived as a hermit, gathered a few followers, meditated, prayed and wrote, and founded an abbey. The natural harmony of this blessed place was in the early 20th century cut into pieces by two ordinary motorcar roads, a railroad and a highway: four straight lines crossing the brook and, in hindsight, cutting ruthlessly the 500-meter walking path Jan van Ruusbroec used to take every day, at the end of which was a lime-tree where he then sat and meditated. At approximately the place where he used to sit, there is an actual lime-tree, probably replanted a few times every century.

During the last years of my friend’s life, the daily present was not that happy and once in a week I drove to that area. The rare other people I met knew what I was doing there and I knew why they were there. Once when I was walking there the perfect greenness of all the leaves and plants struck me. Empathy and hope of Anahata chakra, breathable. A thought struck me: “I am missing red..” (Muladhara: survival, acceptance of death as life). I walked a few meters further and suddenly I saw like a red flashing gem sitting on a plant. A deep crimson red beetle as large as my thumbnail, which I did not recognise as a local species, a living ruby. (I had been translating for years the Persian mystic Hafez: the ruby lips of the b/Beloved...). I stopped there and started a little conversation with the beetle, mainly thanking It, telling It how much I had wanted it to be there — and then after a while walked away. It stayed where it was, the concentrated incarnation of the will to live in a forest of empathic hope.

All those mantid or insectoid beings may not be so fear-inspiring as many fear.

[norman]

. . . . when we consider human exchanges of their "meaning" as telepathic in nature, that lying is impossible [I]to the extent that we communicate telepathically and are aware of it . . .



I keep wondering if we are advancing or a crippled version of something we once were. Anecdotal stories tell me that the universe is populated by mostly telepathic beings. Are we heading that way or are we a 'clipped' version of having once been like that, or even, was there a "fall of man" ?

When I'm considering what is or could be the biological/cerebral difference between us lingual code talkers with the even crazier written text from those codes, and a fully telepathic species, I always end up at a notion that we've either previously switched some of our cerebral functioning capacity from an enhanced telepathic ability into a lingual code database, or, we are yet to make that cerebral resource switchover in reverse.

I may not ever have pondered on this if I hadn't heard the stories of telepathic 'space visitors'. Maybe those stories will turn out be all false but that won't put that genie back in my bottle, it's there now and I think about it from time to time and always will.

NDE reports also tell of the same kind of telepathic phenomenon but I assume that doesn't involve having a physical body at all.

Everything seems to point to a natural 'telepathic' nature that we are, for some reason, very removed from. edina's story was a little ray of sunlight.

I think we might be a lot better at receiving telepathy though. I sometimes feel like I'm doing a bit of that but it's not something I have mastery over and I can't turn it on or off. I don't think I would want to even if I could.

[TrumanCash]

Thank you Edina. I will answer your question and add a few things to your notes.
Your questions.
There is this sort of precise research happening regarding telepathy? Yes. The research started from the fundamental finding that sentences, or rather sentence meanings, are presented in the brain neuron firing patterns in a uniquely recognisable way. As far as I remember, these patterns are in "nanoseconds‘” advance on the actual saying of the sentence meaning, and more specifically follow a path of "meaning configuration” --> "choice of language” --> “linguistic configuration” (words in syntax, but yet unspoken) --> muscular activation and phonic expression as an utterance that can be heard (incidentally vindicating the Aristotelian description of the process and Naum Chomsky’s presuppositions of his transformational generative syntax). The experiment was a variant on the numerous experiences of telepathy as in two people (a sender and a receiver) being in separate rooms, one sending an "idea" (a geometrical figure for instance) and the other drawing, or noting, what she/he received received: with the sender and the receiver each being in a dedicated MR scanner, the sender "sending" a sentence, or sentence meaning, to the receiver and the receiver registering it. It was found that the brain activating patterns were similar. The idea of "mirroring" is a continuation of the idea of neuronal mirroring of emotions that had been found earlier. Experiences of joy and sadness corresponding to patterns similar in both the "expresser" of the emotions and the person witnessing the emotions.
How can I find the papers written based on this research? A justified question. I remember seeing that somewhere, probably on the Internet, in this millenium but I do not remember where. Meanwhile research may, or will rather, have gone beyond that – and do we know? Probably I was more interested in applying those discoveries as a language learning coach. To students who needed to acquire a new language in a limited timespan and were quite stressed about it, I told this story and pointed out that this implies that "angelic conversation" is continuously taking place between people (or, in other words, that we cannot NOT communicate – a refusal to communicate is communicated). So instead of convincing ourselves that there are so many formidable hurdles to take we may be helped when we try and accept that we are always communicating (or transmitting telepathically) anyway and that we can welcome that, and that as a result of that we can also find joy in "dancing the language dance" with the person – for beauty’s sake and as a token of our profound acceptance of our embodiment. (We do not so much, I think, need to be “spirited” out of the body but to embody our acceptance of our spirit's love for the body we are in. Our coming here on Earth is divine incarnation, and that we should love and accept even if it involves dying on a cross.)
Question, considering this and the descriptions of communication once the body has died; it appears that this mirroring of brain patterns happens without need of a physical body/brain, so … it’s not necessarily brain dependent? I guess it is not. Maybe there is a conceptual error in the word "dependent". I was once given a visionary experience in which the "superior being" communicated and showed to me that my body and "his" body were the same – although representing, or presenting, this "same" in a different medium so to speak (I am trying to find words for the ineffable..) – or to use a modern analogy maybe, the relationship feels like the identity of two "parts" of a fractal hologram. My suggestion of “permeatingness“ of the "higher" dimensions into the "lower" ones tries to verbalise the intuition in another way. People who relate mystical experiences often tell that there is no real "hierarchy" of dimensions, chakras, consciousness levels etc. The "lower" vibrations are not less good than the "higher"; the divine created them all. (Incarnating is a sought-for prize among the more "spiritual" "beings".) The chakras can be represented as a ladder, but equally well as a wheel. When my dog and I communicate telepathically and we add to that our languages of tail-wagging and turning-about dances and sentences gently spoken, is it not wise to assume that our inner worlds "in love" are equally rich?

If so, what is the mechanism for it, sans physical body. Just like "dependent", I think, Edina, if you allow me to say so, that "mechanism" is not the best choice of words to express what our intuition allows us to conceive. The Greek mechanè, the Latin machina.. what Heidegger calls das Gestell, how terribly "just 3D+ and nothing more".. are those terms. We need different metaphors to describe what is happening. But, as I wrote elsewhere, we have to get out of the desire to "operationalise" what we "intuit".. We can lengthen and strengthen what our arm muscles can do and make a hammer to use; but how could we "use" what "consciousness sharing" allows us to access or be graced with and hence, what could we then "make"? If it is only feasible through creation (creating both the Creator and the creature), we can make ourselves readier maybe, worthier, opener for these transforming, "trans-creating" experiences...

This is a very interesting subject to me. It's a mystery to me how an ET can communicate with me telepathically and I "hear" it (in my mind) in English. So I have speculated that maybe the ET is simply communicating concepts/ideas with intention and my brain plugs in the English translation of the ETs intention.

What is also quite amazing to me is how precise the communication is "translated" in my mind. That is, the words that I "hear" are the exact words that the ET intends to communicate. There seems to be no room for misinterpretation because the communication is so precise.

For example, upon my deaths in the past twelve millennia since I was captured and forced into the Mantis artificial reincarnation system, I go through the tunnel toward the light at the end of the tunnel and then find myself in a Mantis mothership, which I have also referred to as a "soul sucker" or "implanting mothership" or "implant station", like the train station that I go to, to get on the train to go to another place, then come back to the station and do it all over again, lifetime after lifetime. Initially, I had never read anywhere about Mantis ETs so I just referred to them as "insectoids" or "insect guys" due to their appearance.

In three of these captures by Mantis I found myself in a body in a big WHITE LIGHT room, milling around aimlessly with other people in bodies. I hear a soothing voice saying things like "SLEEP. DON’T WORRY. WE’LL TAKE CARE OF YOU. DON’T REMEMBER. YOU HAVE NO PAST. YOU WILL NOT NEED TO REMEMBER YOUR PAST. BE HERE NOW. NO MORE THOUGHTS OF THE PAST. FORGET THE PAST. MOVE FORWARD INTO A NEW LIFE. YOU WILL BEGIN A NEW LIFE IN THE LIGHT.” Also, "GOD LOVES YOU. YOU ARE LOVED (like whisperings in my mind, soothing.) "JOY and LOVE." I can "ALWAYS RETURN TO THE LIGHT. BE IN PEACE. BE IN THE LIGHT. SAFE REFUGE. NO FEAR."

I can see why people are drawn to it. It's like taking a vacation, milling around in the WHITE LIGHT. There's no pain there. You're being programmed to be a sheep. You aren't exposed to stuff. There are other parts of the ship where you are rammed into bodies with force beams.

The memories of being in these Mantis ships revealed the religious programming that takes place between lives. I later found out they were directly tied to the religious and satanic rituals that took place in the Great Pyramid. The Mantis were even using the same flying saucers as Ra of the Anunnaki and they "flew" me down to the Great Pyramid where they programmed me to be a priest performing the Anunnaki blood-drinking, human sacrifice rituals. [Initially, when I wrote my books I had never heard word "Anunnaki" so I referred to them by their symbols, "Serpent Staff Pleiadians".]

The chapter describing my experiences in these Mantis motherships starts at p. 98 of "THE EYE OF RA" PDF book, in the chapter entitled "IN-BETWEEN LIVES IMPLANTS & OUT OF BODY ABDUCTIONS".

[Even small Grays use this kind of religious programming and “Jack Wylie” reported small Grays telepathing him in abductions as a young child to BE RELIGIOUS, JUST BELIEVE, DON’T QUESTION, JUST OBEY: “THERE IS A GOD; HE 'S ALL POWERFUL, ALL EVERYTHING. And I CAN 'T DO; I DON 'T DO ; I 'M NOT CAPABLE. I’M HIS CREATION.” This is a very revealing chapter about the religious manipulation of ETs entitled “The Attic” in my first book, THE PROGRAMMING OF A PLANET, p. 128 of the PDF]

In another interesting example of ET telepathy I was a German pilot in 1942 and I in my Messerschmitz were pulled by a tractor beam into a Reptilian mothership. The Reptilians were telepathing to me in German. So in this memory recovery session I did not "hear" them in English. Luckily, I had taken classes in German so I understood the German words. (However, I don't know whether I would have understood the German words if I had not taken German language classes.) Anyone can read the whole Reptilian experience in "Reptilian Programming", p. 96 of "THE EYE OF RA" PDF.

I’ll cover the WHITE LIGHT programming in another post to show how the dots connect.

[Anu Raman]

Thank you Edina. I will answer your question and add a few things to your notes.
Your questions.
There is this sort of precise research happening regarding telepathy? Yes. The research started from the fundamental finding that sentences, or rather sentence meanings, are presented in the brain neuron firing patterns in a uniquely recognisable way. As far as I remember, these patterns are in "nanoseconds‘” advance on the actual saying of the sentence meaning, and more specifically follow a path of "meaning configuration” --> "choice of language” --> “linguistic configuration” (words in syntax, but yet unspoken) --> muscular activation and phonic expression as an utterance that can be heard (incidentally vindicating the Aristotelian description of the process and Naum Chomsky’s presuppositions of his transformational generative syntax). The experiment was a variant on the numerous experiences of telepathy as in two people (a sender and a receiver) being in separate rooms, one sending an "idea" (a geometrical figure for instance) and the other drawing, or noting, what she/he received received: with the sender and the receiver each being in a dedicated MR scanner, the sender "sending" a sentence, or sentence meaning, to the receiver and the receiver registering it. It was found that the brain activating patterns were similar. The idea of "mirroring" is a continuation of the idea of neuronal mirroring of emotions that had been found earlier. Experiences of joy and sadness corresponding to patterns similar in both the "expresser" of the emotions and the person witnessing the emotions.
How can I find the papers written based on this research? A justified question. I remember seeing that somewhere, probably on the Internet, in this millenium but I do not remember where. Meanwhile research may, or will rather, have gone beyond that – and do we know? Probably I was more interested in applying those discoveries as a language learning coach. To students who needed to acquire a new language in a limited timespan and were quite stressed about it, I told this story and pointed out that this implies that "angelic conversation" is continuously taking place between people (or, in other words, that we cannot NOT communicate – a refusal to communicate is communicated). So instead of convincing ourselves that there are so many formidable hurdles to take we may be helped when we try and accept that we are always communicating (or transmitting telepathically) anyway and that we can welcome that, and that as a result of that we can also find joy in "dancing the language dance" with the person – for beauty’s sake and as a token of our profound acceptance of our embodiment. (We do not so much, I think, need to be “spirited” out of the body but to embody our acceptance of our spirit's love for the body we are in. Our coming here on Earth is divine incarnation, and that we should love and accept even if it involves dying on a cross.)
Question, considering this and the descriptions of communication once the body has died; it appears that this mirroring of brain patterns happens without need of a physical body/brain, so … it’s not necessarily brain dependent? I guess it is not. Maybe there is a conceptual error in the word "dependent". I was once given a visionary experience in which the "superior being" communicated and showed to me that my body and "his" body were the same – although representing, or presenting, this "same" in a different medium so to speak (I am trying to find words for the ineffable..) – or to use a modern analogy maybe, the relationship feels like the identity of two "parts" of a fractal hologram. My suggestion of “permeatingness“ of the "higher" dimensions into the "lower" ones tries to verbalise the intuition in another way. People who relate mystical experiences often tell that there is no real "hierarchy" of dimensions, chakras, consciousness levels etc. The "lower" vibrations are not less good than the "higher"; the divine created them all. (Incarnating is a sought-for prize among the more "spiritual" "beings".) The chakras can be represented as a ladder, but equally well as a wheel. When my dog and I communicate telepathically and we add to that our languages of tail-wagging and turning-about dances and sentences gently spoken, is it not wise to assume that our inner worlds "in love" are equally rich?

If so, what is the mechanism for it, sans physical body. Just like "dependent", I think, Edina, if you allow me to say so, that "mechanism" is not the best choice of words to express what our intuition allows us to conceive. The Greek mechanè, the Latin machina.. what Heidegger calls das Gestell, how terribly "just 3D+ and nothing more".. are those terms. We need different metaphors to describe what is happening. But, as I wrote elsewhere, we have to get out of the desire to "operationalise" what we "intuit".. We can lengthen and strengthen what our arm muscles can do and make a hammer to use; but how could we "use" what "consciousness sharing" allows us to access or be graced with and hence, what could we then "make"? If it is only feasible through creation (creating both the Creator and the creature), we can make ourselves readier maybe, worthier, opener for these transforming, "trans-creating" experiences...

This is a very interesting subject to me. It's a mystery to me how an ET can communicate with me telepathically and I "hear" it (in my mind) in English. So I have speculated that maybe the ET is simply communicating concepts/ideas with intention and my brain plugs in the English translation of the ETs intention.

What is also quite amazing to me is how precise the communication is "translated" in my mind. That is, the words that I "hear" are the exact words that the ET intends to communicate. There seems to be no room for misinterpretation because the communication is so precise.

For example, upon my deaths in the past twelve millennia since I was captured and forced into the Mantis artificial reincarnation system, I go through the tunnel toward the light at the end of the tunnel and then find myself in a Mantis mothership, which I have also referred to as a "soul sucker" or "implanting mothership" or "implant station", like the train station that I go to, to get on the train to go to another place, then come back to the station and do it all over again, lifetime after lifetime. Initially, I had never read anywhere about Mantis ETs so I just referred to them as "insectoids" or "insect guys" due to their appearance.

In three of these captures by Mantis I found myself in a body in a big WHITE LIGHT room, milling around aimlessly with other people in bodies. I hear a soothing voice saying things like "SLEEP. DON’T WORRY. WE’LL TAKE CARE OF YOU. DON’T REMEMBER. YOU HAVE NO PAST. YOU WILL NOT NEED TO REMEMBER YOUR PAST. BE HERE NOW. NO MORE THOUGHTS OF THE PAST. FORGET THE PAST. MOVE FORWARD INTO A NEW LIFE. YOU WILL BEGIN A NEW LIFE IN THE LIGHT.” Also, "GOD LOVES YOU. YOU ARE LOVED (like whisperings in my mind, soothing.) "JOY and LOVE." I can "ALWAYS RETURN TO THE LIGHT. BE IN PEACE. BE IN THE LIGHT. SAFE REFUGE. NO FEAR."

I can see why people are drawn to it. It's like taking a vacation, milling around in the WHITE LIGHT. There's no pain there. You're being programmed to be a sheep. You aren't exposed to stuff. There are other parts of the ship where you are rammed into bodies with force beams.

The memories of being in these Mantis ships revealed the religious programming that takes place between lives. I later found out they were directly tied to the religious and satanic rituals that took place in the Great Pyramid. The Mantis were even using the same flying saucers as Ra of the Anunnaki and they "flew" me down to the Great Pyramid where they programmed me to be a priest performing the Anunnaki blood-drinking, human sacrifice rituals. [Initially, when I wrote my books I had never heard word "Anunnaki" so I referred to them by their symbols, "Serpent Staff Pleiadians".]

The chapter describing my experiences in these Mantis motherships starts at p. 98 of "THE EYE OF RA" PDF book, in the chapter entitled "IN-BETWEEN LIVES IMPLANTS & OUT OF BODY ABDUCTIONS".

[Even small Grays use this kind of religious programming and “Jack Wylie” reported small Grays telepathing him in abductions as a young child to BE RELIGIOUS, JUST BELIEVE, DON’T QUESTION, JUST OBEY: “THERE IS A GOD; HE 'S ALL POWERFUL, ALL EVERYTHING. And I CAN 'T DO; I DON 'T DO ; I 'M NOT CAPABLE. I’M HIS CREATION.” This is a very revealing chapter about the religious manipulation of ETs entitled “The Attic” in my first book, THE PROGRAMMING OF A PLANET, p. 128 of the PDF]

In another interesting example of ET telepathy I was a German pilot in 1942 and I in my Messerschmitz were pulled by a tractor beam into a Reptilian mothership. The Reptilians were telepathing to me in German. So in this memory recovery session I did not "hear" them in English. Luckily, I had taken classes in German so I understood the German words. (However, I don't know whether I would have understood the German words if I had not taken German language classes.) Anyone can read the whole Reptilian experience in "Reptilian Programming", p. 96 of "THE EYE OF RA" PDF.

I’ll cover the WHITE LIGHT programming in another post to show how the dots connect.

Fascinating!

I've been investigating the "Mantis" people, in which I personally call them "Mantids"...for the past 4 months, for ethics violations on this planet. Decision has not been made to banish them as of just yet. There has been some numerous complaints given in regards to these Mantids, impersonating other physical beings, such as the "grays", "annunaki" and many others. In fact, I had a complaint come in a few days ago, stating that some individual was impersonating me.

Please keep in mind, I have no care for the physicality of individuals of any species, race, and so on because we are a society of many different species out there.

Just thought to share this with you. Thank you for sharing. :)

-An.

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