What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

[thepainterdoug]

I recently had a contentious debate with a family member of 37 years old.

It came down to this; if it is not actionable for him, then why bring it up and disrupt his life with the info I have learned ?

Upon thinking on this, I have to now agree with him, especially based on where he is at in his life.

But this creates a problem and it seems now unavoidable. He is actually censoring me and my behavior. He does not want to hear it anymore. Covid, jabs, dems, repubs, marxism, commie, Biden ,Trump etc. He's heard it all, regardless of if I know he hasn't.

He says, so what ? what can I do about it ? Voting is what he will do, but thats it and he took the advice and never got jabbed. SO REALLY GOOD! He is in no way unaware.

He does not believe in anything Gov, or institution, and probably doesn't believe anything will even happen, regardless of knowing about it or not.
He says, he will know about it when it happens.

This has me thinking its a generational thing. I was out protesting in the 70ies aginst the Vietnam war. And since I have been down the rabbit hole, looking deeply into things .
I was just waking and discovering that the MSM maybe isn't telling the entire story back then

But today, what does he have to go on? He is trying to start a business and survive. Married, no child as of yet ,with a lot of pressure on him and cannot trust a thing he hears or sees.

Perhaps for me and others like me, knowing this stuff is sort of a hobby or a habit that is hard to kick? The pursuit of "truth" so to speak , is not in his interest.

Thoughts? anyone else having similar?
What is to come of generations primed like this?
something has to give.

[rgray222]

For many of us getting to the truth seems to be an all-important pursuit but I often wonder if running down the rabbit hole is worth the effort and aggravation. As I have said before sometimes we reach the bottom of a deep and convoluted rabbit hole only to find ourselves sitting with a bunch of like-minded rabbits without the capacity to change even one small truth we found. Sometimes I feel we should live as large a life as possible and leave the journey towards the truth to others. Just a thought.

[Spiral]

It sounds like he's at least saved his own life, and his child to be fathers life in doing so.

There is only so much anyone can process & deal with, and it sounds like his plate is pretty damn full right now, maybe his best interest is keeping a level head & stable emotional state.

The thing is you've places a lot of ideas in his head, when things happen, and they will, ( because they already are, ) he won't see those things in the same way as someone without those ideas, he just can't.

These things might not be that "actionable" now, but when they are, he'll have a far better idea of what action to take than a "normie".

Have faith, not everyone is called to the Hallowed Hat of Tin like some of us.

[Bill Ryan]

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[JackMcThorn]

I think some people have just had enough and feel powerless when it comes to action so ongoing discussions seem no longer interesting; they seem like a hassle and open-ended or unresolvable.

I wouldn't take it personally; you know he really isn't going to bite on a topic you are interested in. Sometimes on PA I engage and sometimes I don't. Sometimes I'll write an entire response and just delete it. There is so many controversial discussions it is a wonder more people aren't triggered, to be honest. I do not disrupt family members with current events or problems. I already know we disagree on some things so it's best left unsaid. You know your family members best and is it worth pushing buttons for the sake of conversation?

I had a family member scared to death over covid; she is still wearing 2 masks every time she goes out. We have a relative that is an M.D. and swore that the shots were okay. This just created a mess in the family. One in which I choose not to disrupt further especially due to emotions being easily derailed and causing extremely stressful situations. I feel I was sorta duped into taking 2 of the shots. The thing is, once the special military op started, there was no more discussion on shots and no more instigating more boosters. See, I am staying with a bunch of asylum seekers in a semi-government set up and they just come in and line everybody up for the shots. They basically said at the beginning no work or travel without them. But there was no pressure or intent with regard to 3rd or 4th boosters. All the masks went away. In the past few months on my trips to downtown for my errands I've seen only one person wearing a mask and that is it with the exception of an ambulance staff. Even the pharmacists stopped wearing masks. There is very little to no news at all about covid other than the speculation of a winter hassle. There are no health services visits of any kind at the centre.

I save the truthing for the forum or online and choose an easier path with family members. I would just rather get along with family then to have any toxic or emotional situations. That does not mean that I seek toxicity elsewhere, it is just that more people in the truthing realms agree on the truthing discussions.

[Vangelo]

Oh boy, I suspect this will be another really good thread...

Ultimately, I can only change me.  But, I can model behaviors for others to see and hopefully emulate and I can also communicate ideas in a way that is consumable by those who hold different points of view (I call this planting seeds). 

Regarding, the topic of 'actionable'...  Great word Doug.  It synthesizes the topic to its essence.  When I read that word, the following quote by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller popped into my mind.  This quote is engraved into the New England Holocaust memorial in Boston MA.


First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Finally, you mentioned that your family member is awaiting a new baby.  I am sure, he is aware of the crazy indoctrination and grooming curricula that is currently being taught across the country.  If he plans to send his kid to public school, does he participate and fight that battle now, or does he wait 6 years?  What will the state of education be at that time?  

[thepainterdoug]

Vangelo

well said, one correction , he is yet to have a child, but your point is well taken. what will he do in the future if he does nothing now.? will he home school his kids?
But he would tell me, Ill worry about it then. I cant really argue with him.

[lake]

As a question ....

What is Actionable? Why bother to even share it?

For me it is not what I can change in others .... A written script of a singular life is only changeable by the 'main character' playing out that 'fate' that they individually interact with!
That the events unfold and each defines 'That which they are' via their considered or not reaction.

For me .... the events and choices in MY story will define IF i continue as a self awareness .... or not!

It is vastly more than this one place (or that is my thought)!

[Satori]

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Indeed. Ignorance is not bliss. It can, and under the circumstances most all of us are presently facing, it likely will cause personal and financial injury, if not destruction.

With all respect to your family member, as well as those of mine who share the same point of view, intentional ignorance on these subjects is nothing short of selfishness and short-sightedness. Being situationally aware of one's surroundings, in the broadest sense, and being as prepared as one can be is no guarantee of success or survival, but not being situationally aware/prepared, is almost certainly a guarantee of failure.

"If you fail to plan, you plan to fail." (I don't recall who to give attribution to for this quote. But, if I were like Biden and his ilk, I would not care.)

In short, it is erroneous to conclude that the situation is not "actionable." Doing nothing is itself an action.

[Mike]

There's definitely a generational component, but that's only one variable among many (in my view).

So much energy is spent on our individual journeys to truth that I find I have very little leftover to spend on anyone else. Besides, regardless of how much energy I do have, I'd need an endless reservoir just to convince the people in my immediate orbit of a few very basic truths (that they'd likely resist with all their might).

My other reservation is this: even after spending all that time and energy at trying to reach someone(s), I still might be wrong about a few things. Or more than a few things!:) And I'd corrupt their journey unknowingly. And then they might even begin blaming me for their woes.

The best approach for anyone, imo, is some combination of removing one's head from the sand, but also knowing when to abort that rabbit hole mission(s).

You could easily spend your whole life going down rabbit holes. And people do that. I see it all the time, where folks use conspiracy or even spirituality as an excuse to avoid living. It's more escapism and less engagism.

What good is all that spiritual power you imagine you possess if you're afraid of going to the grocery store?:) All this stuff like conspiracy (real or imagined), spirituality, spiritual practices, UFO's, and various other rabbit hole stuff is endlessly fascinating, fun, and engaging. But on the flip side it can often just be another way of being cowardly and afraid if you allow yourself to get lost in it an the expense of any kind of life outside it (i.e. everyday life/reality)

I think those of us who have done some deep-diving have an obligation to drop clues here and there, to present info when the time is right, to nudge people along and so on, but not to spend our days trying to convert anyone to this or that point of view. In reality you can't really tell anyone anything, they have to find out for themselves

[thepainterdoug]

Mike/ yes true. Its sort of a "know when to hold em, know when to fold em" kinda thing. I remember when a hurricane was heading directly to florida, a guy was fanatical about getting wood and boarding up his windows etc.
He actually died falling off his ladder.

Yet waiting till the hurricane hits is not the answer.

Lake/ agreed. However, I guess I get anxious knowing there is strength in numbers, and if we could only get all united, in agreement, we could fix this thing.
its sometimes hard to hear someone telling you all about let's say, 9/11 , and they have no idea of what building 7 is?
but bottom line, we are playing our role in our movie.

Thanks Satori. We are always doing something.

And I am thankful, and so is he that neither of them took the jab.

[Bill Ryan]

A tiny contribution here. I'm fortunate (very!) inasmuch as I have almost no friends who aren't 100% fully aware of almost everything happening in the world.

Once in a rare while, I'm in touch with someone who may not understand, or who has a purely mainstream-propagandized view, about a certain issue (like 9/11, Ukraine, the vaxx, carbon emissions, electric cars, US imperialism, etc etc). What I almost always do is state something clearly but very politely and reasonably, and just once.

Sometimes I also say: "Hey, I know you're very busy and don't have much time for all this, but if ever you'd like to know a little more, then please just ask and I'm always here to explain things better if somehow I can."

So far, I've not got into any conflicts, or lost any friends, from that. :heart:

[Mark]

I don't share much of what I know with anyone, anymore. In my opinion that mission is over.

Alternative news has gone mainstream in a way unforeseeable before 2014 and if anybody wants to know more about whistleblowers or subjects on new energy, extraterrestrial intelligence and alternative world history, they can find sleek, polished pages that will go as in-depth as they choose to go. And, they can do it in the privacy of their own homes or rooms, where nobody else except the owner of the wifi can tell.

It's so hard, these days.

There are those of us who have been researching these things for decades and know better than to count too heavily upon a single item of supposed fact being true, because we've seen it all before, and then there are those who have just recently come into awareness of some of these issues and they are really gung-ho and active and zealous about sharing that information, like a new Christian proselytizer or someone who has just 'seen the light' in whatever area of people knowledge.

I don't know. In the end I guess, it is a personal choice. The most I'll do these days is share information about new tech and news about extraterrestrial/inner earth incursions/excursions, some news about what's going on with the sun and the planet, and information on spiritual awakening. Beyond that, it is all way too subjective.

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Doug – a very recognisable situation.

My profession is coaching executives who wish to improve the quality of their communication. (I am aware that almost all words in this statement are just "fashionable" keywords of the power lingo Anglo-Saxon culture uses in the “West”. (None of these words exist in Russian.)) Recently, they – my clients, mostly Dutch and/or French speakers – have come up with “actionable” (“quoting” the English word in their French or Dutch) as if it were something particularly worth while doing, exclusive, the key to success. I usually stop their sophistication-signalling and ask them to phrase their idea in simple words.

Doug, methinks your relative reads too many “management books”.

Let’s have a look at Merriam Webster :

actionable : adjective

ac·​tion·​able | \ ˈak-sh(ə-)nə-bəl \
Definition of actionable:
1 : subject to or affording ground for an action or suit at law
2 : capable of being acted on (ex.: actionable information)

How hollow is the wider meaning of the two, the second one. “Capable of being acted on”. Is there anything incapable of being acted on? Absolutely everything and anything can be a ground for action, or an opportunity for action. Everything then being actionable, it means nothing.

You might ask your relative, Doug, what he means precisely by "actionable". His adrenalin level may rise a bit and he even may mimic a few boxing moves and then say "you know... actionable!“ You may then nod with wrinkles on your forehead and other signs of your letting his little performance sink in.

Then you might say the following: "...but, you know... I have heard these things, and that was "actionable" to me, so that my action has consisted in telling you about it."
And even: "the fact that you have not wanted to be jabbed may have been induced at least in part by my telling you what I had heard or read (i.e. being “actionable” information prompting me to the action of informing you). So... it is clear that you have acted, after having been warned or informed by me about it ... and it is great that you acted by taking this decision not to be jabbed. So... are you telling me now that this information is not "actionable" for you in the sense that you are not going to inform others about it?"

I am almost sure he will confirm this.

And you see, that is the problem. Even I, who am enraged by the fact that public authorities have (unsuccessfully) tried to mislead me, am not necessarily going to inform others about what I know (am not going to induce action by others upon the “information” I obtained). I am not going to do it when I guess my informing them may actually harden them in their choosing the path towards catastrophy. And I am even nearing the conclusion that anything I might say may make it worse. That holds for "Covid" and for the Nato-Russia conflict. Maybe the Belgians have to suffer massively from the fallout of a tactical nuke on Nato HQs between Brussels and Brussels Airport – maybe it is what it takes to make their leaders shiver at the consequences of their foolishness.

Maybe “the things I know” are actionable to the extent that I take the action not to spread the news, and not to inform them, because I think that I cannot take their responsibility from them and put it on my shoulders.

But if somebody comes to me and asks me “Michel, I don’t know what is best any more, what do you think?” – telling this person what I feel is the action I will take.

[Michi]

A tiny contribution here. I'm fortunate (very!) inasmuch as I have almost no friends who aren't 100% fully aware of almost everything happening in the world.

Once in a rare while, I'm in touch with someone who may not understand, or who has a purely mainstream-propagandized view, about a certain issue (like 9/11, Ukraine, the vaxx, carbon emissions, electric cars, US imperialism, etc etc). What I almost always do is state something clearly but very politely and reasonably, and just once.

Sometimes I also say: "Hey, I know you're very busy and don't have much time for all this, but if ever you'd like to know a little more, then please just ask and I'm always here to explain things better if somehow I can."

So far, I've not got into any conflicts, or lost any friends, from that. :heart:

I seem to pull in similar acquaintances. Mostly I encounter like-minded communications.
I acknowledge in communication the other questioning mainstream lies and if someone agrees with some mainstream propaganda I become the one "planting" some doubt, but I don't fight another's belief because this leads just to him asserting to be right.
I don't engage in communications which lead to pissing contests. I acknowledge sincerity and truth and individual expertise and leave group think alone.
My footer sums it up. :bearhug:

[araucaria]

I recently had a contentious debate with a family member of 37 years old.

It came down to this; if it is not actionable for him, then why bring it up and disrupt his life with the info I have learned ?

Upon thinking on this, I have to now agree with him, especially based on where he is at in his life.

But this creates a problem and it seems now unavoidable. He is actually censoring me and my behavior. He does not want to hear it anymore. Covid, jabs, dems, repubs, marxism, commie, Biden ,Trump etc. He's heard it all, regardless of if I know he hasn't.

He says, so what ? what can I do about it ? Voting is what he will do, but thats it and he took the advice and never got jabbed. SO REALLY GOOD! He is in no way unaware.

He does not believe in anything Gov, or institution, and probably doesn't believe anything will even happen, regardless of knowing about it or not.
He says, he will know about it when it happens.

This has me thinking its a generational thing. I was out protesting in the 70ies aginst the Vietnam war. And since I have been down the rabbit hole, looking deeply into things .
I was just waking and discovering that the MSM maybe isn't telling the entire story back then

But today, what does he have to go on? He is trying to start a business and survive. Married, no child as of yet ,with a lot of pressure on him and cannot trust a thing he hears or sees.

Perhaps for me and others like me, knowing this stuff is sort of a hobby or a habit that is hard to kick? The pursuit of "truth" so to speak , is not in his interest.

Thoughts? anyone else having similar?
What is to come of generations primed like this?
something has to give.
I see it this way. You brought up your kids. This means you ‘vaccinated’ them against all known dangers. In other words you gave them the best available tools to face life a generation down the line. You have to trust them to adapt those tools to any new situation and pass on what they learn to any offspring. You must accept that you no longer have any parental authority, meaning that your personal wisdom is one thing, and their personal wisdom is another. However, surrendering parental authority is the way to maintain some kind of parental influence. Children grow up, parents need to grow up all over again. It shouldn’t be too difficult: just trust them. They are doing things differently, and in my experience much better, although you may not even see it. In a sense, the roles are reversed. That’s life.

[Isserley]

Those are good questions - lots of it is actionable, take it from someone who has a 4-month-old child and whose head is not in the sand, far from it.

I recently talked about the same topic with a friend who is the same age as i am (late 30s). She is very aware of everything as I am, she has not been jabed and does not trust the system.
I was in my panic mode as usual and I told her how I was afraid of everything that was coming our way and I have a child and things are more difficult for me now because having a small child means a lot of organization in every sense - going through a crisis with her would be unimaginable to me. I have to protect her from vaccines, radiation, bad curricula at school.. everything! (See thread about Free Range Kids (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114327-Free-Range-Chicken-and-Kids) by Masha)

So my friend told me - "why are you freaking out, this is not the first crisis or the first war, so we lived through the war in Croatia in the 90s, there were also economic crises before and after that, it does not mean that life has stopped. On the contrary, difficult times create strong people. The decision to have a child at this moment is not only yours. This child has also decided to come right in this time."

My opinion is that the situation is not as bad as it seems to the average avalon forum user. Here on PA we have a microcosm of very conscious people, perhaps too conscious to lead a "normal" life. They see too much of this bilge around them and it disables and enlightens them at the same time. It is important not to be "militant" when sharing your knowledge.

Without further ado - I'm aware of everything, but I can't let it paralyze me. I have a responsibility a child and I will try to protect her in all possible ways without "damaging" her with my protection :Angel:

[thepainterdoug]

Many thanks to each and every one of you .
I cannot mention you all, but I take away something "actionable" from everything said.

[Heart to heart]

Dear Doug

My life began in 1936 and I have witnessed many things in this holy time given me to experience and learn!
I realised many years ago that one cannot change another, no matter how close they are, or how much one would like to put an old head on young shoulders, it just cannot be done. Wisdom comes with age and peace with acceptance!

My four daughters and seven grandchildren must make their own choices, but it is for me to love them and set an example! They know my views are outside the box of the matrix but the relationships are all loving and strong. No judgement just acceptance!

Yet in the great scheme of things we are all one consciousness and invisibly connected to every living being on Planet Earth, be it human, animal, plant or mineral, so it is up to us to be the very best we can be in the circumstances we find ourselves in.

Yes, the world is upside down, there are wars and rumours of wars, and world karma is being played out before our eyes, and it is not pleasant. Man is facing the results of his actions. We are faced with the shadow side of ourselves, the things we have refused to look at but are being forced to now. It is payback time! In other lives and other times we have all acted out the film we are watching daily.

Cancel fear!

We all have the opportunity to paint another picture on the canvas other than the one that is being presented to us. The palette is in our hands and we can choose the shades and colours, some dark and some light, to illumine the life we are living.
Time to let go with love and create a new and glorious masterpiece 🌟

Love and blessings from my heart to yours❤️

[norman]

"Actionable" only counts as far your intention can carry it.

If your intention is miss informed or otherwise screwed up, what can 'action' do but add to the chaos or maybe just mass inertia caused by macro and micro dualistic counter force. The evil genius is a magic that has got all that figured into it's method.

You want to know what action really is?

Banish evil. Call upon the creator to assist you. You'll surprise yourself and maybe wonder why the hell you didn't get started a lot sooner than this 1 second to midnight moment.

[TomKat]

Most people don't know about Project Mockinbird when the mainstreram media was converted to the state media. Maybe just get him to understand that everything that goes out of the mainstream media has to be govt approved.

[mijatoca]

I recently had a contentious debate with a family member of 37 years old.

It came down to this; if it is not actionable for him, then why bring it up and disrupt his life with the info I have learned ?

Upon thinking on this, I have to now agree with him, especially based on where he is at in his life.

But this creates a problem and it seems now unavoidable. He is actually censoring me and my behavior. He does not want to hear it anymore. Covid, jabs, dems, repubs, marxism, commie, Biden ,Trump etc. He's heard it all, regardless of if I know he hasn't.

He says, so what ? what can I do about it ? Voting is what he will do, but thats it and he took the advice and never got jabbed. SO REALLY GOOD! He is in no way unaware.

He does not believe in anything Gov, or institution, and probably doesn't believe anything will even happen, regardless of knowing about it or not.
He says, he will know about it when it happens.

This has me thinking its a generational thing. I was out protesting in the 70ies aginst the Vietnam war. And since I have been down the rabbit hole, looking deeply into things .
I was just waking and discovering that the MSM maybe isn't telling the entire story back then

But today, what does he have to go on? He is trying to start a business and survive. Married, no child as of yet ,with a lot of pressure on him and cannot trust a thing he hears or sees.

Perhaps for me and others like me, knowing this stuff is sort of a hobby or a habit that is hard to kick? The pursuit of "truth" so to speak , is not in his interest.

Thoughts? anyone else having similar?
What is to come of generations primed like this?
something has to give.

I've been a member for many years. Don't post much, but this thread is an important one and I thank you.

[Anchor]

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The act of communicating truth, is in itself POTENT ACTION.

Just because something does not appear to be actionable, its really only just part of the illusion that holds some back.

[thepainterdoug]

Perhaps I need to restate my meaning of actionable in reference to who said it. My family member said and meant it, not in the esoteric, but in a boots on the ground way.
He was saying, what the eff can I do about what you tell me ? And I can totally understand now what he is saying

So the word "actionable "may mean something , up to debate and conjecture, on Avalon, he was asking me, what am I to do? And in truth, I do not know what to tell him.

Am I , or anyone else here fixing anything out there ?

I get all of what you are saying , but I am already converted, and have participated in all things Vietnam thru 9/11 etc.
I will let go, he and his generation need to find their way.

Brings to mind David Bowies, "Changes" Hit it boys!

// and let me add, these are the kinds of post that I make and offer here at P Avalon.
they are often personal and some may not like it , but you all here, most all of you I have never met and never will, are my family.

[Anchor]

In my sense the definition of act includes thought, words and deeds. They are all challenging to get right, they are all worth doing.

Just because your eyes have been opened to more of the deception in our "reality" does not mean you have any different potential to act in a manner that is biased toward what most would be considered evil, or one that may be considered good.

One can walk down a road, head down, minding ones own business, somewhat unattentive but still getting things done that need doing; or, one can do the same thing and smile at people, feel joy and gratitude etc. Same things get done, but there is a difference, and that mindful intent was also useful "action".

So I argue that no matter what, there is plenty that can be done, but it is just that there is more of a spiritual angle to it.

[Anu Raman]

Hmm.. sounds so much like me.... I don't believe. I experience.

Belief had long been discarded from my life because I prefer experience.....

When somebody comes up saying "I believe this, " "I believe this and that"... I just want to shut it off, and turn my ears off.

Belief is a powerful thing. It sure can ruin people and their lives. I know, because my elder brother died from it. He believed.. as so much, he died penniless..he lost everything because of what he believed..and in the end, his life. It was a factor of control over his life. It was sad. To me, belief is like a drug.. an addictive drug that once it's out of control.. things can turn sour very quickly.

Just saying! ... Is all.

[DeDukshyn]

If nothing else, input into the collective human consciousness. Its a thing.

[Johnnycomelately]

Good vibe in your example, Anchor. May I add, for people looking at that, that your intentions seem impersonal, and not motivated by a ‘helper’ attitude/complex. Give freely, or not at all.


In my sense the definition of act includes thought, words and deeds. They are all challenging to get right, they are all worth doing.
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So I argue that no matter what, there is plenty that can be done, but it is just that there is more of a spiritual angle to it.

[Isserley]

Perhaps I need to restate my meaning of actionable in reference to who said it. My family member said and meant it, not in the esoteric, but in a boots on the ground way.

Boots on the ground is too extreme. Action is also a decision not to get jabed for example.
I've made lots of decisions based on the knowledge acquired here.
Everything you taught your family member through the years will help him in raising his child, I'm sure.
Anchor said it perfectly ->
the definition of act includes thought, words and deeds.
There is an interesting book Thinking and Destiny by Percival on the subject.

[ExomatrixTV]

"What You Do Not (Want To) Know, Won't Hurt You" ... Really? ... Willful Ignorance Is and Never Was Bliss ...

The price of assuming "you can do nothing" is much bigger than assuming you CAN do something ... maybe I should make a practical list of options what you can do if you are really informed what is going on and why it has nothing to do with being (or feeling) "incompetent" nor being "hopeless".


There are multiple psychological layers why many people assume or feel they are "incompetent" to have a meaningful positive effect of anything.
If millions of people say "what can 1 person do, it is no use" ... and all feel very similar with each-other without realizing it .... read again MILLIONS think that they are alone feeling incompetent to have a meaningful effect/impact >>> which is an obvious psychological paradox.
To find like-minded people and organize meetings is what I did since 1990 ... I started giving lectures in local avenues 1990 for about 50 people then in 1991 about 100 people then in 1992: 550+ people (organizing conferences + being one of the speakers) then in 1994: 1100+ people in Amsterdam 🇳🇱 inviting among others David Icke to speak etc. etc.
All of it helped me to be able to be on Dutch 🇳🇱 National TV 22 times and 100s of times on local media! >>> which created a chain-reaction of meeting new (very interesting) people inviting me all over the Netherlands!
What really helped me was having my own Local Radio & TV shows between 1991 and 1998 in Amsterdam.
Being co-founder of Exposure Magazine 1992 up to 1996 became Frontier Magazine 1996 up to 2010s
All of it I never ever thought that it has "no effect" because I always felt the future vindication in the present.

"False Pessimism versus (assumed "false") Optimism" ... and how to deal with setbacks or disappointments is also key going beyond defeatism attitudes.
Being (allegedly) "realistic" is not the same as being (permanent) pessimistic ... but a lot of people assume they are "the same" and claim "higher moral ground" but are actually part of demoralization process that is 100% counter-productive.
As always: how you see (judge) yourself is KEY in how reality unfolds in front of you ... as victim mentality mostly breeds more victim-reality!
I rather be optimistic making mistakes >>> learn from it and move on to become better ... than being (permanent) pessimistic looking for any (lame) excuse to do nothing! ... That is a choice we eventually all have to make and live with that decision the rest of our lives.

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cheers,
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September 24, 2022 🦜🦋🌳

[Journeyman]

Thoughts? anyone else having similar?
What is to come of generations primed like this?
something has to give.

He sounds like he's made a logical choice. In the face of unparalleled levels of deception and corruption, there's a lot to be said for focussing on what you can change, yourself and trying to shield yourself from at least some of the corrosive news from elsewhere that does little on a day to day basis than sap morale. I kind of wish I'd made the same decision sometimes. It would certainly be easier to exist in this crazy world if I knew a little bit less of the deception it's built on.

As to what impact that mindset would have on a generational scale, well if everyone focussed on making good decisions for themselves based on rational thought processes the world would improve immeasurably, regardless of what the rogues were getting up to. So although it may not be an ideal approach, there's many worse ones he could be taking...

[araucaria]

Let me add something to my earlier post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119585-What-is-Actionable-Why-bother-to-even-share-information-with-others&p=1519417&viewfull=1#post1519417) regarding diverging attitudes to the state of the world. Aligning with the younger generation makes a lot of sense to me, after not aligning myself with my older generation. I have been saying for some time that standing well back from the whole affair is valid and probably the wiser thing to do.

Taking just the business end of the current situation, where the action seems to be happening, I read the other day that Vladimir Putin learnt as a kid chasing a rat that no one should ever be cornered, because they will lash out. Now he finds himself cornered, or from his standpoint this is the West lashing out after getting itself into a corner. Either way, we are well into the MAD mutually assured destruction scenario, both sides with fingers on buttons like in some ghastly game show.

Shakespeare understood this perfectly. His whistle-blowing Hamlet acts mad, and even with ‘method to his madness’, in order to corner a ‘rat’, his word for the usurper Claudius, who lashes out, taking no chances with two poisonous weapons, a rapier and a cup of wine. You only die once, but Claudius gets a taste of both his own medicines, and in a sense Hamlet also dies twice over, once stabbed as prince, the second time committing a symbolic life-saving suicide to end his two-minute reign. For when his friend Horatio makes to drink the last of the poisoned chalice, he is prevented by the already mortally wounded Hamlet, who snatches it away from him. The only other survivor of this overkill in this rotten royal family of Denmark is the prince of… Norway, Fortinbras, who comes in to clean up the mess.

This suggests that mutually assured destruction is not specific to nuclear weaponry, but also that it can be limited to those directly involved. Nuclear warfare does not necessarily imply allout warfare to the last missile. And even evidence of previous planetary destruction says absolutely nothing about this time around. All is not lost, far from it.
There is a very real sense in which anyone getting caught up in this war, taking sides, even the ‘right’ side, is not going to ‘get out alive’, whatever that means. It probably means at the very least that one’s current assessment is already out of date and that true peace-making is about living the postwar peace as of now. Like charity, peace begins at home, it is both the medium and the message. Foreign wars are precisely that : foreign. Let’s keep it that way. The younger generation is a whole new ballgame from its parents’, and a fortiori anything else that preceded it. Old farts getting in the way is the problem, not the solution.

Nothing personal, Doug, as you know : I am your age :)

[Mari]

I generally keep well clear of the truther subject when around people, as I know that each and every one is on their own sacred path - it's not my business to butt in as you can't wake another up...they arrive at that in their own good time.
I've noticed, however, that those who are 'ready' will somehow gravitate to you (strangers even) and a conversation will start and before you know it, you are sharing with them certain truths about what's going on. You get a feeling that they're 'ready'.
This has happened to me countless times, usually with complete strangers and when it happens I feel a kind of electric 'charge' (can't describe it any other way!) and my personality changes from the usual British reserve to an evangelism that I'm at pains then to rein in - less I put them off, which you can so easily do.

We recently had family come to visit for a few hours. They were much too polite to sneer at our 'backwardness' (no smart tech/vaccinations/covid compliance whatsoever, and horror of horrors, our phones are little bigger than matchboxes and pay as you go...so flintstones era:bigsmile:.... but we know what's said behind our backs.
One of them decided to stir things up a bit and said loudly 'who's for the fourth booster jab then?' (they're rolling them out soon in the UK) As I knew my partner would take the bait with her and start an all-out argument, I waded in, said 'you know we don't do that, why bring it up here?-subject closed!' That was that., nipped in the bud. She shut up.

I refuse to engage in the who's right?' argument. Can't be arsed, because if they haven't started to smell the stench by now...they're not going to. I can be serene with that, even with close family members.

[yelik]

Being informed and knowledgable changes you and your understanding of the world which in itself causes a small change in the right direction

[amor]

I may have posted this on Avalon before; can't remember at the moment, so here goes. It is the news that FAUCI et al have been telling us lies (you don't say!). If you go to: Stewpeters.com/Dr. Brian Ardis (also there is a Stewpeters.com video interview with Dr. Jane Ruby) you will learn that what the JABS and BOOSTER SHOTS contain are Synthesized King Cobra SNAKE VENOM and the Chinese Red Backed Krate SNAKE VENOM, wrapped in Hydrogel, which, in turn, is wrapped in strings of Magnetic Nano with north and south poles which link together with the iron in your blood to form long, fat strings which clog your blood vessels and heart valves to cause death.

The doctors say that when you go to the hospital with covid which is only a really bad influenza, that is used as an excuse to give you Remdesivir which paralyzes your
breathing mechanism in the brain. They then put you on the Respirator and proceed to administer the same kind of drugs used in criminal executions. In 9 days, on the outside, YOU ARE DEAD. This is deliberate murder for which the hospital, the doctors and nurses are paid a large sum according to the reports. THIS IS GLOBAL GENOCIDE. Stewpeters.com also has information about poisoning the water, etc. Those living in 35 cities are to be eliminated apparently. Doug, you better head south of the border down Mexico way. The song was prophetic. There is lots more for another time everyone.

[Mike Gorman]

Knowledge is always valuable, even if it might seem you cannot 'use it' at the point you have reached, I remember people asking me why I studied Philosophy way back when I was in my 20's - well that interest in the history of knowledge resulted in my becoming intrigued with computing, and networks, how logic could be employed in a practical sense, this has paid all of my bills and given me a decent standard of living over the past 25+ years, all because I graduated in a 'useless' subject which evolved into studying other subjects. Don't ever let people convince you of their futile vision of life, if they are too dim and lazy to bother looking above the parapet of mediocrity, that is their doom.

[thepainterdoug]

Thank again everyone. We are in a war on many levels

Mike Gorman, I like your response and your way of thinking

[ramus]

I to have people around me that don't understand ... I have a saying. .." I'm responsible for putting it out there, but not for the way they take it." I also realize that if they don't ask, they don't hear.

In not seeking their recognition... I don't get upset or frustrated.
Love the quote: it's easier to fool somebody than it is to convince them they have been fooled.

Along the same line is the concept of conformational bias ..confirmation bias, the tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with one’s existing beliefs, even though the fact say other wise

[Blastolabs]

It seems inevitable that to survive, eventually we are going to have to take action and stop contributing to the society we do not want to exist in, and instead contribute to OUR OWN society that is separate from the ghafla.

Ghafla is a Chakobsa term meaning "distraction".
In the book Dune Herbert used it to refer to political theater, he took this term directly from the Arabic where "Ghafla" means anything that distracts one from God .

[shaberon]

It is a tough issue, but we all "action" on each other constantly. Unfortunately, some are more powerful.

As an example, I would say one time I was pretty close to believing in the Green Party, because of course I agreed with the principles of environmentalism. But if you follow Maurice Strong, his idea was to make industrialized nations "go poof", a bit like what is happening to Germany now.


Well, it is a bit like slavery. If you just "end slavery", then you wake up with millions of unemployed homeless people.

Those options did not give any room for a smooth transition to new conditions.

If I don't have a case, such as damage from Covid injections because I never got them, I basically can just talk about it, which of course is far from the same.

[Anchor]

This has happened to me countless times, usually with complete strangers and when it happens I feel a kind of electric 'charge' (can't describe it any other way!)

I know exactly what you mean! It is energetic. I think its a kind of "metaphysical uncorking" effect! and it happens when your energy field is resonating with the counterpart and you are self-aware enough to realize it and act accordingly. When you start to communicate on such topics your throat chakra opens and there is a flow of energy in the communication, I love it when it happens too! I think it is heightened for me because I prefer solitude and with few exceptions, I prefer to stay away from most humans.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Mari and Anchor, it's quite a synchronicity for me here now!

Just when Anchor posted above, I was writing (not speaking) to a dear friend in the exact same way as you both describe.

It's a personal opinion of course, but this may be the best Message yet - in all of this - that we càn assist others if we let this Divine Energy flow through us, in a most neutral way, where it is needed most.

Thanks for posting this!

[Ben]

Thanks for this great and timely thread Doug.

Over the past few years, and especially since all this nonsense kicked off, whenever I try to show someone who is not open and curious, any aspect of what's going on, it doesn't do anything positive for either party. I generally feel depleted and agitated.

I feel the part of my life where I was actively encouraging pretty anyone in my company, to open their eyes, is now finished. Job done, and I've had people express gratitude on occasion (which means a lot, and gives me inspiration and hope).

Now however, much the same as Anchor and Mari, I feel to share my insights only with those who are open to it, and only when it happens in an organic, spontaneous way. This is still a work in progress, as sometimes I just can't help myself, when really, I should know better by now.

A few weeks into lockdown, I began noticing that I could recognise an awake kindred spirit from, like, 100 metres away - as if they had a bright gold aura around them, and a twinkle in their eyes when they got closer. That's when I knew that right action for me was to concentrate on raising my frequency, and purifying the outdated and unneeded parts of me that are remnants of an old paradigm of falsity and perversion. Whilst still maintaining friendships, and physical community.

I've also been paying cash in shops, and handing out my printed cards which explain why I'm doing so (this idea came from the Global Walkout initiative, and specifically Catherine Austen-Fitts, which I really dig the vibe of: https://globalwalkout.com/steps-timeline/).

I've had some really touching, heart opening interactions with some of the shopkeepers, which makes a huge difference to the frequency of the collective consciousness.

At this stage of the game, positivity, grounded in realistic awareness and preparedness, seems to me where it's at.

Edit to add: I've come to realise activism doesn't have to be serious and confrontational. It can come from the heart, with joy, humour and even a bit of daftness. And it's easy! :heart:

[Antagenet]

I recently had a contentious debate with a family member of 37 years old.

It came down to this; if it is not actionable for him, then why bring it up and disrupt his life with the info I have learned ?

Upon thinking on this, I have to now agree with him, especially based on where he is at in his life.

But this creates a problem and it seems now unavoidable. He is actually censoring me and my behavior. He does not want to hear it anymore. Covid, jabs, dems, repubs, marxism, commie, Biden ,Trump etc. He's heard it all, regardless of if I know he hasn't.

He says, so what ? what can I do about it ? Voting is what he will do, but thats it and he took the advice and never got jabbed. SO REALLY GOOD! He is in no way unaware.

He does not believe in anything Gov, or institution, and probably doesn't believe anything will even happen, regardless of knowing about it or not.
He says, he will know about it when it happens.

This has me thinking its a generational thing. I was out protesting in the 70ies aginst the Vietnam war. And since I have been down the rabbit hole, looking deeply into things .
I was just waking and discovering that the MSM maybe isn't telling the entire story back then

But today, what does he have to go on? He is trying to start a business and survive. Married, no child as of yet ,with a lot of pressure on him and cannot trust a thing he hears or sees.

Perhaps for me and others like me, knowing this stuff is sort of a hobby or a habit that is hard to kick? The pursuit of "truth" so to speak , is not in his interest.

Thoughts? anyone else having similar?
What is to come of generations primed like this?
something has to give.

I doubt it is generational. I've given all kinds of information to people of all ages for 60 years,
and so very few ever were interested.

Here is a video that speaks to your question,
from a Christian perspective.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/C1S9wkzjYKcJ/

[thepainterdoug]

things are better with my family member. we met in the middle. he asked me if i could send him some good media sources.

I asked him if he finds out some disturbing facts, dont tell me !! what am I supposed to do about it? lol

humor helps all.

I listend to the christian video. I guess its all going to go the way it needs to go

[Mari]

This has happened to me countless times, usually with complete strangers and when it happens I feel a kind of electric 'charge' (can't describe it any other way!)

I know exactly what you mean! It is energetic. I think its a kind of "metaphysical uncorking" effect! and it happens when your energy field is resonating with the counterpart and you are self-aware enough to realize it and act accordingly. When you start to communicate on such topics your throat chakra opens and there is a flow of energy in the communication, I love it when it happens too! I think it is heightened for me because I prefer solitude and with few exceptions, I prefer to stay away from most humans.


Nicely put. I like the 'metaphysical uncorking' terminology.

[norman]

Oh look, we don't have to figure this out any more.

It's all been set up for us, how thoughtful and caring.

CLINTON GLOBAL INITIATIVE - Taking Action Together.

dh0mSicox2w


I'm going to sleep soundly tonight.

[Mashika]

I kind of got a Deja Vu just now, i think this is what i felt or observed before when i opened this thread some time ago

But yeah, what are you going to do?

It's a bit hard on the person, specially if you find you are 'on your own' on this trip, and if you even get one or two people to listen to you and agree, then you just sit there talking about it, contemplating the situation and observing how right you are and how wrong other people are, and then what?

Is not like you are going to develop some kind of super power or suddenly gain very high level influence above the world governments, so unless you do that, what can you do to change things? Join a group of like-minded people? Then it gets politicized somehow, if there's a power structure, then it leads to more of the same

leader
-> Right hand of the leader
----> Some random dude that is the 'second hand'
-------> Other middle managers
----------> you

And right there is just another power structure that will get corrupted, and if you fail to follow the leader then you are expelled from the group, because human ego always wins over truth or fairness

So must people see the facts, learn more and talk openly about it once they figure it out, but they also want to live a nice life, enjoy stuff and see their dreams come true

It's not all about the matters of the world, you want to have kids, or see them grow, or go watch a movie without having to think that it represents the decadent void of the soul and society and other philosophical crap that only takes away the moment

So sometimes, you just want to sit there and drink your coffee without thinking of anything at all

It's a hard balance once you open your eyes to some stuff, but in my opinion, there are only two paths around this thing

1. Stop living and go crazy only thinking about the problems of the world, turn into Stalin and enforce change, at the expense of your own sanity and until the world turns into total madness because there's no one on this planet that can enforce things that way, it will get out of control eventually once it grows too big (who watches the watchers?)

2. Balance things around and do as much as you can, but without letting it lead your life. It's not a sin to enjoy life, as much as some of the crazies may claim or criticize you for having a nice, calm moment, let them go crazy when they see someone drinking some coffee or tea with milk, but don't let them spit on your face while they scream like banshees that you are going to hell because of the milk on that tea or the sugar that 'probably' came from some factory where kids are forced to work 23 hours a day and that kills animals and that eats babies for breakfast

So i think it's perfectly fine to learn and put effort into it and into sharing with others, but you must remember first that the reason you are here is to live, and not to let everything that happens lead your life until you don't/can't even go out without seeing sin or problems all over the place. First thing is yourself, then there's a way to try to help others, but how to help others if, like the crazies, your own life is a mess caused by yourself because of going 'too deep'?

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115778-Half-asleep-or-Half-awake


Most of my friends seem to be very focused on their own culture and countries, Mexican friends, don't think much of learning other cultures, perhaps a bit of US and Japan, but not much otherwise, Japanese friends could not care less about any other country really, they are immersed on their culture and just know basic stuff about other countries. My Russian friends are just the same, no care for anything except the usual things you learn, like Mexico and chilli, beer and tacos, US and hamburgers and so on, nothing much more than that really

But, something i have noticed a lot lately, is a change in how they perceive or talk about other global issues. Like is not they suddenly say "wait governments are evil" or "this vaccine is wrong" or related things. It's just like, all of them suddenly just "know" these things but don't examine the situation, it's just like it suddenly this information and views are on their heads and they have no doubt about the falsehoods being told, like a veil was suddenly removed, or something awaken on them

I know this wasn't like that before, because over the past years i never saw them talking about it or even getting interested, but now it just seems like it's all visible on their eyes, and they don't discuss is as a conspiracy or "maybe", they all seem to be 100% sure it's true

Yet, even then, after speaking about it and completely showing they know what's going on and the dangers of it and the possible future were we are all enslaved or destroyed, they keep going on their normal lives, doing not much about these things, but they "know" these things are happening, they just don't act on it in any way

So.. half-asleep and half-awake?

When you look at your friends, family and people around you, do you see this same odd behavior? It's like seeing a train coming at you, but say "There's a train coming at me, and this coffee is very good" then take another sip and watch the train coming still

Threshold consciousness?



I recently had a contentious debate with a family member of 37 years old.

It came down to this; if it is not actionable for him, then why bring it up and disrupt his life with the info I have learned ?

Upon thinking on this, I have to now agree with him, especially based on where he is at in his life.

But this creates a problem and it seems now unavoidable. He is actually censoring me and my behavior. He does not want to hear it anymore. Covid, jabs, dems, repubs, marxism, commie, Biden ,Trump etc. He's heard it all, regardless of if I know he hasn't.

He says, so what ? what can I do about it ? Voting is what he will do, but thats it and he took the advice and never got jabbed. SO REALLY GOOD! He is in no way unaware.

He does not believe in anything Gov, or institution, and probably doesn't believe anything will even happen, regardless of knowing about it or not.
He says, he will know about it when it happens.

This has me thinking its a generational thing. I was out protesting in the 70ies aginst the Vietnam war. And since I have been down the rabbit hole, looking deeply into things .
I was just waking and discovering that the MSM maybe isn't telling the entire story back then

But today, what does he have to go on? He is trying to start a business and survive. Married, no child as of yet ,with a lot of pressure on him and cannot trust a thing he hears or sees.

Perhaps for me and others like me, knowing this stuff is sort of a hobby or a habit that is hard to kick? The pursuit of "truth" so to speak , is not in his interest.

Thoughts? anyone else having similar?
What is to come of generations primed like this?
something has to give.