Starve the beast - solutions

[palehorse]

I am writing this thread under Living of the Grid, because it makes more sense for what I am about to write, you will see. :)

I am very concerned with the implementation of the CBDC in the next few months, in a few words that means completely lost of privacy, getting vaccinated against one will, and all sort of corruption against the humanity, only to be able to participate in society.

We know a few solutions already like barter and trade works in small scale, but what about things like grocery store, internet bills, fuel for cars, online transactions among many other daily necessities we have in life..

What can we do about when fiat currency goes completely under? Should we rely on Bitcoin, Monero, DERO, Pirate Chain, Meld Gold (Algorand --- but who is behind it???) or what ?

I welcome everyone to post what works for you, if you can give details how it is working in your community, among friends, family, etc.. anything is very welcome, because I believe we arrived at a very critical point and we don't have more time, if in few months they start to deploy this news beast system across the entire globe (China/German/Thailand already got their CBDC and probably the entire G20 group), it will be literally GAME OVER - they won we the people lost.

Also we know we can always run through the jungle, but then what? live life like primate? How many can or will do that? nah that's not a solution, too easy.

I am summarizing a few topics that I have been learning about and reading here on PA, and it seems to be pretty much part of our damned reality. The mainly intention of this thread is to bring solutions, the following summarized issues are everywhere on PA, we don't need to extend on each item, instead let's focus on solutions.




geofencing

travel limitation




robots & AI

weaponization/surveilance/control full time




tracking & trace



carbon credit

(watch the water literally)




limited mobility



rationing of everything

water rationing


electricity/gas/heat rationing




smart grid is everywhere

any city, town, village can be and probably will be turned into a smart grid.




from cradle to career


social emotional learning



internet


zero trust model (unlock everything with your face - by default everything is denied)



data
predictive policing
pre-crime



sensors (sensorize everything)

biological knowledge


compute power


data


= hackable human




digital ID (digital cage)

facial recognition cameras


conditional access


smart contract (programmable)




security & privacy



CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency) <<<--- here is the focus of this thread



cameras (cameras everywhere - literally many billions of it)

in traffic lights


satellites


inside and outside new vehicles


street lights/posts


parking lots


highways


stations of all sorts


and so on..




* when the fake plandemic was put in place, they rushed to install 5G tower and smart cameras in the most developed countries, a crucial part of the infrastructure was installed when most people were in lockdown. With the next fake plandemic, the CBDC will be put in place and most people may wake up with ZERO money in their bank accounts, and the blame will be covaids once again or any other ****.


street lights as weapons



5G/6G



Smart MHs (smart hydrogel(network of natural or synthetic polymer chains))

perceive small stimulli (temperature, magnetism, pH, light,..)


fully programmable nanoparticles like microsponges (used to encapsulate lipid nanoparticles due to be porous like sponge).


quantum dots





With all that summarized above, welcome to the social control system, China already got it. The end goal is total behavior compliance.

GAME OVER

unless we find ..

SOLUTIONS


stay away from anything SMART.


trash all digital devices you can or keep them inside a faraday cage when not using.


do not use wi-fi, instead use ethernet cable, shutdown the modem/router during the night or when not using.


give preference to low tech whenever is possible, create your own alternative if you are a skilled person.


full boycott (all major tech outlets, but mainly the ones listed below)

google


samsung


facebook (meta)


amazon


twitter (hell yeah **** Elon)


microsoft (and ALL their brand/products/service including skype and github)

anything from Kill Gates should be completely ignored boycotted




zoom (yeah, they record every single connection, just like skype)


apple


cloudflare




The list is huge, but you got the idea, in terms of technology, it is much easier for find alternatives and indeed there is quite a lot out there, we just need people to be more conscious in their choices, not blaming anyone for their choices, but their success depend on our adoption of their products/services.

My avatar represents a variation of the famous circular prison called "Panopticon", I always like that one "Big Brother is watching you", but it is a meme and I dislike memes haha

I extend my love to everyone on this community, Godspeed folks!

[Mari]

Palehorse, A general reply here. I don't feel there are enough people awake in enough numbers (in the UK, at least) who will be able to successfully thwart this crap coming at us. We did it in the 80's though, when we booted out the proposed Poll Tax by protesting/rioting. The Tax came back disguised as Council Tax, but nobody opposed it. That was 'small fry' from the Govt, and I feel, a test for the British people.
So, I feel that society generally will split into those who will comply (for whatever their reason) and those who refuse to take part. Us refusniks will find ourselves very vulnerable if we don't join like-minded communities to form alternatives to education, food, medicine etc etc. That will enable us to survive and when we get the hang of it, to thrive. Max Igan has his own term for it: Going Grey. Or under the Radar.

I don't 'do' most of your list above anyway, and I feel it's not up to me to try to 'convert' those still asleep. If they're still under the spell, then nothing but the Kiss Of Death (their own impending 'imprisonment' in the system) will wake them. What we have to do then, is lead by example - to show those who end up thoroughly miserable by the system they're trapped in, that there IS another way. You simply cannot convince the normies of the horrors to come - they have to experience it for themselves, and to see how 'free' we rebels have become and more importantly that we can thrive:sun:

[Tiyaira]

I also arrived at "Starve the beast" as the only viable strategy to deal with the tyranny several years ago. To me, that meant two things: 1) stop participating in and colluding with the tyranny, both in terms of social support and financial contribution, and 2) give up citizenship so that its laws do not apply (also stops 1)). Well then, where do you go, if no other country is suitable? Make your own. Pursue self-determination, learn international law and the Law of Nations, build yourself up into a strong and honourable character, find some like-minded people, and take your freedom by agreement. Make your own reality.

[Lunesoleil]

The notion of starving the beast, but I would say it depends on what geographical location you are in, even if the world plan must reveal it all over the planet. Have you noticed that the wild animals that were in my opinion a security padlock over the years are jumping. Wild animals were a kind of protection over our own freedom. To annihilate wild animals on the planet or even to gather them in a park for the survival of the species is already a loss of freedom in itself. We have destroyed the bees, the birds, their number is decreasing and this loss of freedom has been programmed for years.
The solution is to say no most often to the system by choosing alternative means to preserve our freedom, our survival depends on it and above all our freedom of thought, our freedom of our choices.

:wizard:

[Johan (Keyholder)]

"If no country is suitable, make your own."

I really like that idea Tiyaira, but I wonder how one can do it. Even in a "small" way.
Making our own reality, we càn do, even if it is somewhat limited. By "traveling inwards", it can be done though.

Have you arrived at a point where you feel you have - at least for your own self - achieved this?
Somehow I intuit you did. If so, congrats to you! It's an extraordinary feat in my opinion.

A few weeks ago I visited a country few people even know. It's very poor, yet there was (or is) a small "enclave" where what you described could be created. It would not even take a lot of money to emigrate there.

"Pursue self-determination, learn international law and the Law of Nations, build yourself up into a strong and honourable character, find some like-minded people, and take your freedom by agreement."

All of the above would be possible over there, but there are many other reasons why the chances to make it work are tiny.
If you want, I can go in more detail. The name of the country may tell it all though: Malawi.

[palehorse]

Palehorse, A general reply here. I don't feel there are enough people awake in enough numbers (in the UK, at least) who will be able to successfully thwart this crap coming at us. We did it in the 80's though, when we booted out the proposed Poll Tax by protesting/rioting. The Tax came back disguised as Council Tax, but nobody opposed it. That was 'small fry' from the Govt, and I feel, a test for the British people.
So, I feel that society generally will split into those who will comply (for whatever their reason) and those who refuse to take part. Us refusniks will find ourselves very vulnerable if we don't join like-minded communities to form alternatives to education, food, medicine etc etc. That will enable us to survive and when we get the hang of it, to thrive. Max Igan has his own term for it: Going Grey. Or under the Radar.

I don't 'do' most of your list above anyway, and I feel it's not up to me to try to 'convert' those still asleep. If they're still under the spell, then nothing but the Kiss Of Death (their own impending 'imprisonment' in the system) will wake them. What we have to do then, is lead by example - to show those who end up thoroughly miserable by the system they're trapped in, that there IS another way. You simply cannot convince the normies of the horrors to come - they have to experience it for themselves, and to see how 'free' we rebels have become and more importantly that we can thrive:sun:

Great point Mari about the tax, thanks. But the idea is not to stop them doing what they want, they will do anyway. it is pointless fighting.

I am concerned in what sort of money/currency we will be able to use in the near future, because I am not getting into their game, does not matter what and I know many others that won't either, but every time I talk to them, the answer is always the same "in time we will find the way".. but to be frank that does not answer the question, also I don't want to look like a freak shooting question to everyone, not the intention hahaha

The point is: some stuffs that are produced by the many industries, like electronics and fuel.. fuel is a necessity unless one decide to ride bicycles full time.. but without fuel, no one can move goods across the country, of course there is alternatives like horses, ox cart, mules and so on :) on the electronic side, we can just stop using it if comes to that point.. that would mean no internet for us, I personally don't know if I would put any effort into it.. probably not.

I believe it already happen the big split in society, the same way I put "starve the beast" worked on both sides, the so called "authorities" will starve the ones that decided not to get on board of their plans, but hey they will do it anyway even if one get on board. see the joke they represent?

I am interested in find an ideal currency that could be used cross border as well, not only locally and which is not funded or maintained by any public/private institutions, pretty much like the ones I posted in the opening thread.. we gonna need folks.

Somehow I connected pretty much with Mr. Igan ideas, going grey is the best option no doubt, because there was a division and in time there will be no place in cities for those who refused the beast.

and of course our Bill, he is living that way already for years.

[palehorse]

"If no country is suitable, make your own."

I really like that idea Tiyaira, but I wonder how one can do it. Even in a "small" way.
Making our own reality, we càn do, even if it is somewhat limited. By "traveling inwards", it can be done though.

Have you arrived at a point where you feel you have - at least for your own self - achieved this?
Somehow I intuit you did. If so, congrats to you! It's an extraordinary feat in my opinion.

A few weeks ago I visited a country few people even know. It's very poor, yet there was (or is) a small "enclave" where what you described could be created. It would not even take a lot of money to emigrate there.

"Pursue self-determination, learn international law and the Law of Nations, build yourself up into a strong and honourable character, find some like-minded people, and take your freedom by agreement."

All of the above would be possible over there, but there are many other reasons why the chances to make it work are tiny.
If you want, I can go in more detail. The name of the country may tell it all though: Malawi.

Hi Johan, Malawi seems a pretty good location, it is also landlocked which could be seem as a protected country, forgotten land that no one would date to deal with (maybe the Chineses).. I mean it seems to be a good place for what we a discussing in this thread.

Another question that comes to mind every now and then, how to deal with VISA and passports in a scenario where we can't get anything unless we are part of the beast system?

I thought about that, in terms of be where you want to be, but be 100% sure of that, because travel will be limited no doubt.

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I also arrived at "Starve the beast" as the only viable strategy to deal with the tyranny several years ago. To me, that meant two things: 1) stop participating in and colluding with the tyranny, both in terms of social support and financial contribution, and 2) give up citizenship so that its laws do not apply (also stops 1)). Well then, where do you go, if no other country is suitable? Make your own. Pursue self-determination, learn international law and the Law of Nations, build yourself up into a strong and honourable character, find some like-minded people, and take your freedom by agreement. Make your own reality.

that means to be self-sustainable in all aspects of life, I am not pretending, but I can't do that alone. Perhaps in a well organized alternative society we could, would be a project of life.

Thanks for you input, much appreciated.

[palehorse]

The notion of starving the beast, but I would say it depends on what geographical location you are in, even if the world plan must reveal it all over the planet. Have you noticed that the wild animals that were in my opinion a security padlock over the years are jumping. Wild animals were a kind of protection over our own freedom. To annihilate wild animals on the planet or even to gather them in a park for the survival of the species is already a loss of freedom in itself. We have destroyed the bees, the birds, their number is decreasing and this loss of freedom has been programmed for years.
The solution is to say no most often to the system by choosing alternative means to preserve our freedom, our survival depends on it and above all our freedom of thought, our freedom of our choices.

:wizard:

Thanks Lunesoleil, we are already proudly doing it. we just need alternatives made by the people to the people. there is nothing much can be done otherwise, the best machinery keeps moving forward and poisoning everything and everybody around it.

We gonna deal with that out own way.

[palehorse]

Here is a post made by Norman 9 days ago on this thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119566-New-Worldwide-Financial-System-Goes-Live-in-November-2022&p=1528760&viewfull=1#post1528760

It explains marvelously what I probably failed to explain in this thread.



The CBDC Has Launched in the US (Here’s How It Affects You & Your Money)
Man In America - Published November 20, 2022

Interview starts at 2:20

v1td48a/?pub=4

[norman]

I have one disagreement with Kirk Elliott in the video above. He's the guy with the PhD so i'll not push this point too hard until I know for sure, but he said when the Euro came in as the currency for EU countries it came in gradually so people had an option to trade with the other currencies for a while, which he uses as the basis of grounds for hope that we can win the battle during the phase-in period as people wise up to what smart centralised money really is.

I don't live in a Euro country, I live in UK which didn't join the Euro common currency, but, I don't remember a phase-in period at all. I remember it as a sudden switch.

I'm more likely to be wrong than Kirk is, so have faith, but it's a pretty crucial aspect to his positive outlook that needs to be cleared up.

[Tiyaira]

I am interested in find an ideal currency that could be used cross border as well, not only locally and which is not funded or maintained by any public/private institutions, pretty much like the ones I posted in the opening thread.. we gonna need folks.You could use existing currencies or bitcoin, precious metals, barter, favours or agreements.


...Malawi seems a pretty good location, it is also landlocked which could be seem as a protected country, forgotten land that no one would date to deal with (maybe the Chineses).. I mean it seems to be a good place for what we a discussing in this thread.Malawi is sovereign territory and to do anything with it would require a treaty or agreement of some kind. It is not forgotten.


...how to deal with VISA and passports in a scenario where we can't get anything unless we are part of the beast system?Your society makes a separate travel agreement with the country you want to travel to, as well as every other country along the way. You/they negotiate variances on the existing agreements for your special case.


that means to be self-sustainable in all aspects of life, I am not pretending, but I can't do that alone. Perhaps in a well organized alternative society we could, would be a project of life.Yep. No man is an island. Nobody can do this all by themselves. If you go grey man, you'll effectively just be a homeless nomad in a hostile country. I will also say there is much reward in picking the biggest challenge you can find and throwing your life at it.

[Lunesoleil]

Thanks Lunesoleil, we are already proudly doing it. we just need alternatives made by the people to the people. there is nothing much can be done otherwise, the best machinery keeps moving forward and poisoning everything and everybody around it.

We gonna deal with that out own way.

Thank you for the feedback

For the alternatives, it will depend in which country you were born and where you live. If you don't have an alternative, you will try to survive, because to have access to alternatives you need basic financial means, contacts who can help you, otherwise you are on your own with the limited means at your disposal. We all have resources, innate gifts, it requires creating a community to share resources. Instinctively, this is what is done through associations, the associative model, to do this kind of thing, you need others, to survive alone is that you were in the wrong era ?

At the same time as the wild animals, we parked the native tributes, even the Eskimos with the melting of the pack ice in the North Pole and even the polar bear, survival is threatened. There's definitely a reason for that. Can we think that the human species is going to its loss as will have been the Atlanteans who were endowed with high technology, as we are today and this civilization has disappeared, why? , are we programmed to experience the same thing as the Atlanteans?

[Mari]

Palehorse, A general reply here. I don't feel there are enough people awake in enough numbers (in the UK, at least) who will be able to successfully thwart this crap coming at us. We did it in the 80's though, when we booted out the proposed Poll Tax by protesting/rioting. The Tax came back disguised as Council Tax, but nobody opposed it. That was 'small fry' from the Govt, and I feel, a test for the British people.
So, I feel that society generally will split into those who will comply (for whatever their reason) and those who refuse to take part. Us refusniks will find ourselves very vulnerable if we don't join like-minded communities to form alternatives to education, food, medicine etc etc. That will enable us to survive and when we get the hang of it, to thrive. Max Igan has his own term for it: Going Grey. Or under the Radar.

I don't 'do' most of your list above anyway, and I feel it's not up to me to try to 'convert' those still asleep. If they're still under the spell, then nothing but the Kiss Of Death (their own impending 'imprisonment' in the system) will wake them. What we have to do then, is lead by example - to show those who end up thoroughly miserable by the system they're trapped in, that there IS another way. You simply cannot convince the normies of the horrors to come - they have to experience it for themselves, and to see how 'free' we rebels have become and more importantly that we can thrive:sun:


and of course our Bill, he is living that way already for years.

There you go, it can be done :bigsmile: All it takes is for us to re-learn our life skills - bushcraft, local food production, herbal/plant medicine, natural education for the kids etc and importantly, how to barter..offer your skills in exchange for something another has which you need. We will need to be part of a community (not a 'commune', they rarely work) or at least on the fringes of one. This cannot be achieved alone - unless you really desire to opt out. We lived like this long ago, a natural way of being which was destroyed when serfdom was introduced by lords and later money became the currency of living - a tool introduced to enslave us.
Most people will not be up for this, however, either because of lack of self-belief, laziness or coercion from family, friends etc. Freedom, for most people is an absolutely terrifying thought,.Choices will have to be made and It will be tough letting go of all that we know.

[Michel Leclerc]

As I posted elsewhere, in the rural community in Southern France where I live there is a service barter network growing. It is basically a generalisation of the "good neighbour’s help" principle.

There are several thresholds to take in order to make it fully operational.

The “zeroth” is the choice of the money (i.e. the value counting system): that has been decided to be one hour of human life. It is a resource which is personal and (except for people who happen to be ill) to the extent of e.g. 10 hours a day, renewable every morning. You can save it but not bank in it: you cannot "buy" extra hours of human life, you only get them in the morning or you earn them through help/service/work. Hence you cannot pay a loan of human life with your own stock of human life hours.

Then, once the game/system/community starts the first threshold is the generalisation of "abstract reciprocity”: the person you are helping (providing a service to) is rarely the person that is helping you. So "triangulation" is essential: A helps B who helps C who helps A. You need good bookkeeping. (A service in itself.)

The second threshold is how to translate/convert goods, raw materials into service. This is typically crucial now for the question "how do we pay the organic farmers we are getting our food from?": provisionally this is still done in euros, and the one hour of human life is valued as 20 euros – but as soon as the (minimal) (ac)counting infrastructure is there it may be easy: 1 basket of produce = 1 hour (probably).

Slightly more difficult is the third threshold: how to pay for the steel the blacksmith is using? The (theoretical) operational answer to that is that the community may border another community where there is a mini-steelworks (as there used to be in Communist China) working: as that community also works on the principle of 1 hour of human life is the counting unit both communities may agree on the same hour money for "inter-community trading" (and that is intrinsically so because all human life hours have the same value (no risk of inflation)): so instead of human A helps human B helps human C helps human A it may evolve into community X helps community Y helps community Z helps community A.

The steelworks example is still entirely theoretical but the wood example is not: the neighbouring community "possesses" more woodland, whereas ours more farmland, and the neighbouring typically houses a sawing mill whereas ours not. The important point here is that the growth of the community network is correlative with the growth of (obviously) the number of people affiliated to it but also with the growth of the number of economical categories (service, food production, crafts, workshops, small industries, ...) covered by it and finally correlative with the growth of the "euro" value of the basic article units: one hour of nursing --> food for a every day of the life for one person/family --> a refurbished car --> a wooden house (cf. the Quakers’ communal building).

A basic prerequisite is also that the € value of one hour disappears and just becomes 1 hour. Yes, the gardener has never attended university, but one hour of the gardener’s life equals one hour of the vet’s life equals one hour of the holistic physician’s life. A useful consequence (for fighting the "beast") is that nothing is taxable. There is no value added beyond life added. We try to find inspiration from the economic systems of the "communist" or rather "intensely socialist" kibbutzim in Palestine and later in Israel. They used to work as enclaves who traded without money with each other and internally, and with money with the non-kibbutz world.

What happens when more and more contiguous communities start to work like that? The communities, or communes rather who do not yet work on those principles and become the real enclaves, surrounded by communities who do, finally join with a sigh of relief.

“You don’t possess anything and you will be happy” in a way – but without crooks and murderers.

[ExomatrixTV]

I am writing this thread under Living of the Grid, because it makes more sense for what I am about to write, you will see. :)

I am very concerned with the implementation of the CBDC in the next few months, in a few words that means completely lost of privacy, getting vaccinated against one will, and all sort of corruption against the humanity, only to be able to participate in society.

We know a few solutions already like barter and trade works in small scale, but what about things like grocery store, internet bills, fuel for cars, online transactions among many other daily necessities we have in life..

What can we do about when fiat currency goes completely under? Should we rely on Bitcoin, Monero, DERO, Pirate Chain, Meld Gold (Algorand --- but who is behind it???) or what ?

I welcome everyone to post what works for you, if you can give details how it is working in your community, among friends, family, etc.. anything is very welcome, because I believe we arrived at a very critical point and we don't have more time, if in few months they start to deploy this news beast system across the entire globe (China/German/Thailand already got their CBDC and probably the entire G20 group), it will be literally GAME OVER - they won we the people lost.

Also we know we can always run through the jungle, but then what? live life like primate? How many can or will do that? nah that's not a solution, too easy.

I am summarizing a few topics that I have been learning about and reading here on PA, and it seems to be pretty much part of our damned reality. The mainly intention of this thread is to bring solutions, the following summarized issues are everywhere on PA, we don't need to extend on each item, instead let's focus on solutions.



- geofencing
- travel limitation

- robots & AI
- weaponization/surveilance/control full time

- tracking & trace

- carbon credit
- (watch the water literally)

- limited mobility

- rationing of everything
- water rationing
- electricity/gas/heat rationing

-smart grid is everywhere
- any city, town, village can be and probably will be turned into a smart grid.

- from cradle to career
- social emotional learning

- internet
- zero trust model (unlock everything with your face - by default everything is denied)

- data
- predictive policing
- pre-crime

- sensors (sensorize everything)
- biological knowledge
- compute power
- data
= hackable human

- digital ID (digital cage)
- facial recognition cameras
- conditional access
- smart contract (programmable)

- security & privacy

- CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency) <<<--- here is the focus of this thread

- cameras (cameras everywhere - literally many billions of it)
- in traffic lights
- satellites
- inside and outside new vehicles
- street lights/posts
- parking lots
- highways
- stations of all sorts
- and so on..

* when the fake plandemic was put in place, they rushed to install 5G tower and smart cameras in the most developed countries, a crucial part of the infrastructure was installed when most people were in lockdown. With the next fake plandemic, the CBDC will be put in place and most people may wake up with ZERO money in their bank accounts, and the blame will be covaids once again or any other ****.

- street lights as weapons

- 5G/6G

- Smart MHs (smart hydrogel(network of natural or synthetic polymer chains))
- perceive small stimulli (temperature, magnetism, pH, light,..)
- fully programmable nanoparticles like microsponges (used to encapsulate lipid nanoparticles due to be porous like sponge).
- quantum dots




With all that summarized above, welcome to the social control system, China already got it. The end goal is total behavior compliance.

GAME OVER

unless we find ..

SOLUTIONS

- stay away from anything SMART.
- trash all digital devices you can or keep them inside a faraday cage when not using.
- do not use wi-fi, instead use ethernet cable, shutdown the modem/router during the night or when not using.
- give preference to low tech whenever is possible, create your own alternative if you are a skilled person.
- full boycott (all major tech outlets, but mainly the ones listed below)
- google
- samsung
- facebook (meta)
- amazon
- twitter (hell yeah **** Elon)
- microsoft (and ALL their brand/products/service including skype and github)
- anything from Kill Gates should be completely ignored boycotted
- zoom (yeah, they record every single connection, just like skype)
- apple

The list is huge, but you got the idea, in terms of technology, it is much easier for find alternatives and indeed there is quite a lot out there, we just need people to be more conscious in their choices, not blaming anyone for their choices, but their success depend on our adoption of their products/services.

My avatar represents a variation of the famous circular prison called "Panopticon", I always like that one "Big Brother is watching you", but it is a meme and I dislike memes haha

I extend my love to everyone on this community, Godspeed folks!




Biggest Threat To Financial Freedom is CBDC (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120026-Biggest-Threat-To-Financial-Freedom-is-CBDC) :faint2:

[palehorse]

I have one disagreement with Kirk Elliott in the video above. He's the guy with the PhD so i'll not push this point too hard until I know for sure, but he said when the Euro came in as the currency for EU countries it came in gradually so people had an option to trade with the other currencies for a while, which he uses as the basis of grounds for hope that we can win the battle during the phase-in period as people wise up to what smart centralised money really is.

I don't live in a Euro country, I live in UK which didn't join the Euro common currency, but, I don't remember a phase-in period at all. I remember it as a sudden switch.

I'm more likely to be wrong than Kirk is, so have faith, but it's a pretty crucial aspect to his positive outlook that needs to be cleared up.

I was on my 20's when EURO was established, I remember relatives talking about it months before, if they knew about it I guess everybody knew, they are simple folks, and it was probably common knowledge at the time. But Euro is a bit different because it is for the Euro Union, countries like Australia also changed their currency in the past from Australian pound to Australian dollar, in the 60's or 70's I can;t remember. China also changed from their Gold units to Yuan in the 50's or so.. in Brazil in the 90's the currency changed from something to what we know as Real today.. In Brazil people was warned about the change months before, I know that for a fact, some relatives are living there since long ago.

But as in the video, they commentted this time is different, they will probably come up with CBDC after a major fabricated war, beside that I think in US there was people already getting into it, small number but there was already interest, in China officers are getting paid with digital Yuan, it is developed already, they are in trial phase. I am trying to keep an open mind about this issue, because if it pass it will create chaos for so many people, and it is a pity to see the uninformed mass flocking into a system they have zero knowledge about. It is really a pity.

[palehorse]

I am interested in find an ideal currency that could be used cross border as well, not only locally and which is not funded or maintained by any public/private institutions, pretty much like the ones I posted in the opening thread.. we gonna need folks.You could use existing currencies or bitcoin, precious metals, barter, favours or agreements.


...Malawi seems a pretty good location, it is also landlocked which could be seem as a protected country, forgotten land that no one would date to deal with (maybe the Chineses).. I mean it seems to be a good place for what we a discussing in this thread.

Malawi is sovereign territory and to do anything with it would require a treaty or agreement of some kind. It is not forgotten.


...how to deal with VISA and passports in a scenario where we can't get anything unless we are part of the beast system?

Your society makes a separate travel agreement with the country you want to travel to, as well as every other country along the way. You/they negotiate variances on the existing agreements for your special case.


that means to be self-sustainable in all aspects of life, I am not pretending, but I can't do that alone. Perhaps in a well organized alternative society we could, would be a project of life.

Yep. No man is an island. Nobody can do this all by themselves. If you go grey man, you'll effectively just be a homeless nomad in a hostile country. I will also say there is much reward in picking the biggest challenge you can find and throwing your life at it.



Well said, appreciated the answers, direct to the point :)

Regarding Malawi I expressed myself wrongly, what I meant by forgotten was in terms of almost nobody knows about it as Johan wrote previously. It is indeed an unknown territory for many, I knew about a year ago that Sudan was split into 2 countries, Sudan and South Sudan (happened in 2011), also I didn't know Palau was a country, Mayotte is another under French rule.. and there is quite a few out there.

Some time ago I was reading about micronations, it was an interesting topic to read, I came across new "sovereign territory" like Liberland, Asgardia (the space nation) and so many others. Liberland seems to be so very well organized model.

But that is exactly why the community is so important, going grey does not mean one is doing it all alone, it will probably be the only option to avoid been part of the beast system. It must somehow be out of radar be it a declared independent sovereign territory or just a small village of mind-like people, I don't think they would dare to mess around with communities living isolated from the rest of the world, and if they do, they would have to drop a bomb to destroy it, because people would not move along with their ideas.

Thanks for your inputs, really got me thinking hard here :)

[Johan (Keyholder)]

The zeroth reminds me of the LETS. Lets would be more local, and it has been tried in many different places, with a changing success. It was popular in the nineties, now it is hardly around anymore.

LETS = Local Exchange Trading Systems (for more information, see this link: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/local-exchange-trading-systems-lets.asp

[palehorse]

Thanks Lunesoleil, we are already proudly doing it. we just need alternatives made by the people to the people. there is nothing much can be done otherwise, the best machinery keeps moving forward and poisoning everything and everybody around it.

We gonna deal with that out own way.

Thank you for the feedback

For the alternatives, it will depend in which country you were born and where you live. If you don't have an alternative, you will try to survive, because to have access to alternatives you need basic financial means, contacts who can help you, otherwise you are on your own with the limited means at your disposal. We all have resources, innate gifts, it requires creating a community to share resources. Instinctively, this is what is done through associations, the associative model, to do this kind of thing, you need others, to survive alone is that you were in the wrong era ?

At the same time as the wild animals, we parked the native tributes, even the Eskimos with the melting of the pack ice in the North Pole and even the polar bear, survival is threatened. There's definitely a reason for that. Can we think that the human species is going to its loss as will have been the Atlanteans who were endowed with high technology, as we are today and this civilization has disappeared, why? , are we programmed to experience the same thing as the Atlanteans?

Hi Lunesoleil,

Sometimes I really think I born in the wrong place and wrong time :) but my idea is not getting out there all on my own (as I said before, it would be too easy), I have a family to take too, have some friends that are starting to change their perception about the system which is good, know some more people already involved into permaculture communities and other stuffs, I am more into the vibe of getting along with mind-like people, sharing, helping each other, create our own barter system, trading stuffs, in general for local living, getting organized, I already know places here doing it, but they are all local people, when it comes into do things legally in the country where I am living, I need to use their current monetary system and that is where the question comes up, how can I be legally living in a country if I do not go along with the beast system? after all I need passport/visa at minimum to keep my legal status as an Alien. I bet there are so many others in the same situation, and I bet most of them will just accept the beast deal when time comes. It is a simple question indeed, but without clear answer or solution, and all I heard until now was, wait until the time come and then we see what to do.

regarding your last question, I think it is correct, civilization went under so many times, it seems to be a cycle, we reach the maximum of our potential as civilization and we crash.. seems like we still have a lot to learn to evolve to next level civilization, but who really knows those answers and why things are the way they are?

[palehorse]

Palehorse, A general reply here. I don't feel there are enough people awake in enough numbers (in the UK, at least) who will be able to successfully thwart this crap coming at us. We did it in the 80's though, when we booted out the proposed Poll Tax by protesting/rioting. The Tax came back disguised as Council Tax, but nobody opposed it. That was 'small fry' from the Govt, and I feel, a test for the British people.
So, I feel that society generally will split into those who will comply (for whatever their reason) and those who refuse to take part. Us refusniks will find ourselves very vulnerable if we don't join like-minded communities to form alternatives to education, food, medicine etc etc. That will enable us to survive and when we get the hang of it, to thrive. Max Igan has his own term for it: Going Grey. Or under the Radar.

I don't 'do' most of your list above anyway, and I feel it's not up to me to try to 'convert' those still asleep. If they're still under the spell, then nothing but the Kiss Of Death (their own impending 'imprisonment' in the system) will wake them. What we have to do then, is lead by example - to show those who end up thoroughly miserable by the system they're trapped in, that there IS another way. You simply cannot convince the normies of the horrors to come - they have to experience it for themselves, and to see how 'free' we rebels have become and more importantly that we can thrive:sun:


and of course our Bill, he is living that way already for years.

There you go, it can be done :bigsmile: All it takes is for us to re-learn our life skills - bushcraft, local food production, herbal/plant medicine, natural education for the kids etc and importantly, how to barter..offer your skills in exchange for something another has which you need. We will need to be part of a community (not a 'commune', they rarely work) or at least on the fringes of one. This cannot be achieved alone - unless you really desire to opt out. We lived like this long ago, a natural way of being which was destroyed when serfdom was introduced by lords and later money became the currency of living - a tool introduced to enslave us.
Most people will not be up for this, however, either because of lack of self-belief, laziness or coercion from family, friends etc. Freedom, for most people is an absolutely terrifying thought,.Choices will have to be made and It will be tough letting go of all that we know.

Hi and thanks, I completely agree with what you beautifully wrote above.
I am ready to let go, after all what do we have to lose? In a responsible way there is nothing to lose and everything to gain :)

[norman]

Catherine Fitts has a pretty focused view of the big picture, and an opinion I agree with about what we have to do to stop it.

Running for the woods or the hills isn't going to cut it. They have to be stopped, and to do that we have to really understand what we are dealing with.


Dark Journalist & Catherine Austin Fitts CBDC Biometric Control Grid
30th November 2022

H_c3rudOE_c


FTX was an op' that got brought down in an op'. ( a CBDC marketing plan, perfect timing)

CBDC is a Digital Concentration Camp.

[Michel Leclerc]

The zeroth reminds me of the LETS. Lets would be more local, and it has been tried in many different places, with a changing success. It was popular in the nineties, now it is hardly around anymore.

LETS = Local Exchange Trading Systems (for more information, see this link: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/local-exchange-trading-systems-lets.asp

It is indeed like the LETS world Johan. As far as I remember the main issue with the LETS communities was that people with a negative token account (i.e. people who had consumed considerably more services than they had produced) tended to vanish all of a sudden. But that was due to two facts: typically they were only temporarily located in a LETS-covered community (being students at a university for instance) so that they would leave the community anyway, not having an incentive to stay – whereas in this type of community people have a strong incentive to stay (as they "live from the land" and intend to stay); second, In LETS communities the tokens are abstract counting units, in a way resembling digital money, whereas in this type of community the token in the bookkeeping ledger is the most real form of money imaginable: 1 working hour of a human life.

[palehorse]

...
Then, once the game/system/community starts the first threshold is the generalisation of "abstract reciprocity”: the person you are helping (providing a service to) is rarely the person that is helping you. So "triangulation" is essential: A helps B who helps C who helps A. You need good bookkeeping. (A service in itself.)

The second threshold is how to translate/convert goods, raw materials into service. This is typically crucial now for the question "how do we pay the organic farmers we are getting our food from?": provisionally this is still done in euros, and the one hour of human life is valued as 20 euros – but as soon as the (minimal) (ac)counting infrastructure is there it may be easy: 1 basket of produce = 1 hour (probably).

Slightly more difficult is the third threshold: how to pay for the steel the blacksmith is using? The (theoretical) operational answer to that is that the community may border another community where there is a mini-steelworks (as there used to be in Communist China) working: as that community also works on the principle of 1 hour of human life is the counting unit both communities may agree on the same hour money for "inter-community trading" (and that is intrinsically so because all human life hours have the same value (no risk of inflation)): so instead of human A helps human B helps human C helps human A it may evolve into community X helps community Y helps community Z helps community A.
...
“You don’t possess anything and you will be happy” in a way – but without crooks and murderers.


Interesting specially regarding the third threshold, how would the community as a whole manage to pay tax on the land they are living on? how to deal with ownership (private corporation shares or just take advantage over public land? or what?) - Like in China, Malaysia and a few other places, where they have those autonomous regions or direct federal administration which is not really under the control of the country but belong inside the territory, in practical terms what would be the right move to accomplish such endeavor? would it be taxable like any other business?

A while ago I came across someone's post here on Avalon about a community in Paraguay, it was registered as a corporation and people interested in join would have to purchase their own share of the corporation.. would that be the best way? or anything else we may be missing?

I am asking all these questions because with the coming of CBDC, there will be a lot of restrictions for those who opted out.

I sympathize with what Zeroth or LETS promote, and I think even a merging between both would work even better, removing known issues, shaping a better system, etc..

But this bring a lot of things to the table, imagining the system's members, some could be foreign to that country, that would need some sort of special deal with local immigration, in order to keep everyone in the community legally inside that country, other options would be not allowing foreign in the community for the sake of simplicity and promote only local development. Also governments hate free market, the promotion of free market they do, has nothing to do with the original idea (they call it black market instead).

Again in regarding of the system LETS or Zeroth, the idea is great and it would require a good selection process to bring people in (it is not about the money, otherwise the community should look for a ROI sponsor), one would fully understand the rules of the game, specially understand that profits would not be part of this community.

The eternal question remains, how to deal with ownership to make such enterprise a real thing?

[ozmirage]

SHORT FORM : HE WHO CONSENTS CANNOT OBJECT. Voluntary slaves need not foment a slave revolt.

LONG FORM:

With all due respect, the original post is an example of the widespread confusion held by the (m)asses, thanks to the world’s greatest propaganda ministry.
And though what I write will probably be dismissed out of hand, please do not believe me - go read the law for yourself at any county courthouse law library. I am not infallible. The more eyes on the law, the better.
. . .
#1 DOLLAR BILLS (Federal Reserve Notes) are NOT FIAT. They are DEBT instruments. [Title 12 USC Sec 411] The question you should ask : WHO are the obligated parties on that debt?
#2 Everything government does TO YOU, is by your consent to be governed. If you do not know HOW & WHEN you consented, you may need to investigate further.
#3 Under the guaranteed REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT, all men are created equal (before the law - none higher) with Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass. Absent consent, governments are limited to adjudicating disputes, prosecuting criminals, and defending against all enemies, foreign or domestic. [Art 4, Sec 4, USCON]
= = = = =
CONSENT OF THE CITIZENRY
“ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.”
- - - City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944
https://casetext.com/case/city-of-dallas-v-mitchell-1
. . .
IN PLAIN INGLITCH - - -
The rights of the individual / national / non-citizen / inhabitant / non-resident are not derived from government, but are Creator endowed... (i.e., republican form of government)
But once consent to be governed is granted, via citizenship, that endowment has been surrendered / waived by the citizenry.

Why?

Because mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, etc, etc. That’s the consequence of migrating to their [socialist] democratic form of government, where a majority can legally persecute a minority... or tax the snot out of them.

It’s been part of the law since day one. Did you miss the part in the Declaration where they pledged “their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor”? All citizens are presumed to have made that same pledge. That’s how conscription / militia duty is 100% constitutional and not a violation of endowed rights and liberties... “Volunteers” don’t have any.

Now you have to ask the government to explain exactly from whom did they get the delegated power to impose citizenship upon infants who cannot consent, and thus via mandatory civic duties, ABROGATE THE ENDOWED RIGHTS that governments were instituted to secure.
(Or did the 14th amendment have very limited and specific jurisdiction that was not widely divulged, nor understood?)

THEIR PLAN
*All must be trained to ‘need’ money and embrace usury (interest)
*Can’t be independent, self reliant, or self sufficient
*Can’t tolerate any religion that teaches “Thou Shalt Not Steal - even if it’s the government doing it.”
*Deny the existence of Creator endowed rights, liberties, powers, and immunities as well as the republican form of government. Only accept democratic government granted ‘human rights’ and mandatory duties of citizenship.
Only then will the (m)asses demand to be enslaved for ‘security’ and ‘convenience’ trusting that the glorious collective will care for them, from cradle to grave.
Thanks to compulsory charity and confiscation of surplus, ‘everyone’ will share in poverty, except the glorious leadership (of course).
You can't dominate someone who's self sufficient. You can only dominate when you have something that someone else needs.
- - - Anonymous

"If America could be, once again, a nation of self-reliant farmers, craftsmen, hunters, ranchers, and artists, then the rich would have little power to dominate others. Neither to serve nor to rule: That was the American dream."
- - - Edward Abbey
FRAUD

If you were a victim of fraud, constructive fraud, misrepresentation or withholding of material fact, you have a ONE TIME "get out of Dodge" ticket and REVOKE your CONSENT (signature).
VITIATE. To impair; to make void or voidable; to cause to fail of force or effect. To destroy or annul, either entirely or in part, the legal efficacy and binding force of an act or instrument; as when it is said that FRAUD VITIATES A CONTRACT.
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1572

WAIVE, v. To abandon, throw away, renounce, repudiate, or surrender a claim, a privilege, a right, or the opportunity to take advantage of some defect, irregularity, or wrong. To give up right or claim voluntarily.
A person is said to waive a benefit when he renounces or disclaims it, and he is said to waive a tort or injury when he abandons the remedy which the law gives him for it.
In order for one to "waive" a right, he must do it knowingly and be possessed of the facts. Barnhill v. Rubin, D.C.Tex., 46 F.Supp. 963, 966.
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., P. 1580
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/98/61/case.html
“There is no question of the general doctrine that fraud vitiates the most solemn contracts, documents, and even judgments.”
- - - United States v. Throckmorton, 98 U.S. 61 (1878)
If you can SHOW fraud was used to get your consent, you can RENOUNCE the fraud and VOID all those pesky entanglements.

But you also have to surrender all claims to BENEFITS related to that FRAUD, or you void your denunciation, by your subsequent CONSENT.

REMEMBER, NO ENDOWED RIGHT IS TAXABLE. IF YOU DON’T EXERCISE REVENUE TAXABLE PRIVILEGES, YOU CAN’T BE SUBJECT TO A TAX.
IF YOU DON’T OWE TAXES, YOU DON’T NEED THEIR MONEY.
IF YOU ARE A SELF SUFFICIENT PROPERTY OWNER, YOU DON’T NEED PUBLIC CHARITY. (FICA / Socialist InSecurity)
. . .
" PERSONAL LIBERTY, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or NATURAL Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987
...
NOTE: ONLY private property is constitutionally protected, whereas estate (aka “real estate” “real property” etc) is not. {Do not presume allodial title is equivalent to private property.}
CHECK your own state constitution and statutes for confirmation that private property is PROTECTED, while estate (held with qualified ownership is subject to ad valorem taxes). Verify that only "real estate" must be recorded and taxed.

No government, court, nor majority vote can change SACRED natural rights.
THAT is the difference between a democracy (with majority vrs minority) and a republican form, where the sovereign individual IS a majority of one.
“I firmly believe that the benevolent Creator designed the republican Form of Government for Man.”
- - - Statement of (14 April 1785), quoted in The Writings of Samuel Adams (1904) edited by Harry A. Cushing
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Samuel_Adams
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people ... directly ...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695

“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves..."
- - - Justice John Jay in Chisholm v. Georgia (2 U.S. 419 (1793))
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/2/419#writing-USSC_CR_0002_0419_Z

NOTE: Citizens are not synonymous with THE PEOPLE. In fact, in the organic documents, they are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

The republican form is not perfect, but it the best form of government. No other nation on Earth has a republican form, where the people are sovereigns, served - not ruled - by governments instituted to secure rights.

Ironically, most Americans have been indoctrinated to embrace socialist democracy for the past 89 years, and thanks to the world's greatest propaganda ministry, millions have no memory of that which their forefathers fought and died to bestow upon them.

... and EVERYTHING is in the public record, available to all to read, so you can't even say the government is at fault. WE ARE TO BLAME FOR OUR OWN IGNORANCE, ARROGANCE, AND APATHY.

GO! GO READ LAW! PLEASE.

[p.s. - beware "patriot mythology" promulgated by the disinformation wing of the Ministry of Propaganda. If you cannot find it spelled out in the law, in harmony with the republican form, it's probably BOGUS. DO NOT FALL FOR IT.]

[ozmirage]

TRUST HONEST ABE - - -

"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln

As Lincoln reminds us, under the republican form, promised by the USCON, described by the Declaration of Independence, NO MAN (nor American government) is good enough to govern you without your consent. Without your consent, all that government is authorized to do is secure endowed (sacred) rights (prosecute trespass; adjudicate disputes; defend against enemies, foreign or domestic). And no endowed right can be subject to taxation, regulation or infringement. Why? Because all men have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure. Taxing a right would allow the government to diminish it by ever greater taxation.

But once consent is given, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
It's too late to object. Mandatory civic duties void all endowed rights to life, liberty and absolute ownership of private property.




Geo.Wash. Sums it up nicely in 1783 - long before the constitution
. . .
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]

IN SHORT,
The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (qualified ownership of estate, via ad valorem taxes, etc). .. by his consent to be governed.
Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

However, that does not negate the endowed rights of the sovereign American people (noncitizens / free inhabitants) who did not consent to be governed.
. . .
Make no mistake!
• The Declaration says : YOU have an endowed right to life.
• But citizens have no inalienable (endowed) right to life.
• The Declaration says : YOU have an endowed right to natural and personal liberty.
• But citizens have only civil and political liberty.
• The Declaration says : YOU have an endowed right to absolutely own private property (upon which you can pursue happiness without permission of a superior).
• But citizens have no private property, absolutely owned... a portion can be claimed by the government.

If you've consented to be a citizen, you have NO ENDOWED RIGHTS.
Zip. Nada. Bumpkiss. Empty Set. Nought.
Any presumption to the contrary is an error not supported by law nor court ruling.

The government can order you to train, fight, and die, on command.
The government can take a portion of your property -or wages - or whatever - as it sees fit.
All authorized by your consent to be a CITIZEN (state or U.S.). Citizens, like the Founders, have pledged their lives, property and sacred honor in service to others and to the government.
ONLY Non-citizen nationals (people) retain their endowed rights.
(The USCON complies with this, too. People have rights and powers. Citizens have privileges and immunities. And they’re mutually exclusive.)

IT HAS BEEN PART OF THE LAW SINCE DAY ONE.


Did government approved indoctrination compounds {compulsory schooling} fail to inform you?

[ozmirage]

Last note: Though one might think there is a refuge in a foreign land, only the united States of America have a republican form of government. And it is hard to believe, but the Feds and the State governments still honor the endowed rights of the sovereign people -what few remain.
In short, you want to migrate from the Peoples Democratic Socialist Republic (aka "United States") and return to the united States of America, wherein the sovereign people dwell.
"If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final."
- - - Calvin Coolidge, Speech on the Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence (1926)
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge
. . .
Verify that your own state constitution repeats the self evident truths of the Declaration of Independence - STATUTE #1 of the Statutes at Large of the United States of America.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION

Article I Declaration of Rights [Section 1 - Sec. 32]
( Article 1 adopted 1879. )
Section 1.
All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.
PENNSYLVANIA CONSTITUTION
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=00&div=0&chpt=1
Article 1, Section 1. Inherent Rights of Mankind
All men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation, and of pursuing their own happiness.

OF course, if you consented - shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

[ozmirage]

I have not read all law, and am not infallible, but I have yet to find ONE LAW that violates the natural rights, natural or personal liberty, private property or inherent powers of the American national, free inhabitant, domiciled upon his private property within the boundaries of the United States of America.

However, there ARE voluminous rules, regulations, taxes, and penalties imposed on U.S. citizens / residents, duly enumerated (via FICA), engaged in usury, who reside at residences, registered as real estate, and are obligated to get permission (license) and / or pay taxes to live, work, travel, buy, sell, operate a business, transmit radio, fly a plane, trade in healthcare, buy medicine, cut hair, build a house, hunt, fish, marry, and / or own a dog.

[But according to the law, it was done by your consent, so no harm, no foul.]

In short, if one has not given consent, all that servant government can do is secure rights, as in prosecute those who deliberately injure the person and property of another. But once consent is given, all bets are off.

Do not believe me - go read the law for yourself.
Look up the legal definition for inhabitant, domicile, private property, endowed rights, inherent powers, and verify that no state dares trespass upon those endowments.

But don't confuse the sorry state of the subject citizen / resident with those who retained their Creator's endowment.

[ozmirage]

If you think you're too clever and smart to be "FOOLED" by the WGPM, here's a snippet that might wake you up.
“ I also think there are prices too high to pay to save the United States. Conscription is one of them. Conscription is slavery, and I don't think that any people or nation has a right to save itself at the price of slavery for anyone, no matter what name it is called. We have had the draft for twenty years now; I think this is shameful. If a country can't save itself through the volunteer service of its own free people, then I say : Let the damned thing go down the drain!”
- - - Robert A. Heinlein; Guest of Honor Speech at the 29th World Science Fiction Convention, Seattle, Washington (1961)
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein

The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, militia, on the jury, etc." In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

(If they’re not involuntary servitude, they MUST be voluntary. But they only apply to citizens. Did someone forget to tell Mr Heinlein that citizenship was voluntary in the USA?)

Ironically, Mr Heinlein’s condemnation of Selective Service derived from mandatory militia duty - a duty owed by all citizens - shows the success of the world’s greatest propaganda ministry.
(FYI - RAH was a graduate of the Annapolis Naval Academy)


...
Title 10 United States Code, Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of ALL able-bodied MALES at least 17 years of age and, ... under 45 years of age who are ... CITIZENS of the United States
...
Articles of Confederation, VI. (1777)
...every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of field pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage.
...
Art. 1, Sec. 8, USCON (1789)
Congress shall have power ... To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
...
If you’re a subject citizen, you are theirs to command.


It doesn't matter if you're a STATE citizen or FEDERAL citizen.

Pennsylvania General Assembly
Title 51, Part II, Chapter 3

The Militia
§ 301. Formation.
(a) Pennsylvania militia.--The militia of this Commonwealth shall consist of:
(1) all able-bodied citizens of the United States and all other able-bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, residing within this Commonwealth, who are at least 17 years six months of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than 55 years of age;

[ozmirage]

If 51% of the "human resources" withdrew consent, restored their endowed rights, and dropped from the tax rolls, do you think that's enough to STARVE THE BEAST?
Especially, since the majority of the 49% who don't withdraw, are probably recipients, bureaucrats and beneficiaries of the PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC.

Best Case Scenario : 97% withdraw and 3% (who are civic minded and knowingly surrender their endowment to serve) are left running the vital duties of securing rights, adjudicating disputes and defending the nation from all enemies. With so diminished a budget and lack of subjects to rule, those in power will have little means to get into mischief.

Frankly, I don't expect any substantial number of Americans to bother to read their own laws, discover how and when they consented, and then withdraw that consent. After 89 years of pervasive indoctrination, who would expect any difference? Too many wish to believe the illusion that government works for THEM and they will eventually get FREE MONEY via SocSec.

[Michel Leclerc]

...
Then, once the game/system/community starts (...) but without crooks and murderers.


Interesting specially regarding the third threshold, how would the community as a whole manage to pay tax on the land they are living on?

(...)



Just to answer in part this first question pale horse (thank you for your thoughts).

It is important to understand that the community is not coextensive with a commune, a village, a small town – unlike the kibbutz or a monastery.

It resembles more a congregation of “monks living in the secular world”.. or of the members of a spiritual "hermandad”... their "group” is distributive and hence not necessarily contiguous to other groups although for practical purposes that would be convenient.

Imagine a village in which one third of the population would live according to those rules and two thirds not (which closely resembles the situation where, e.g., one third of the population is not jabbed and to thirds are. (A certain discreetness about this qualification is still the rule in today’s world: I may know the "vaccination status" of a close friend who lives 20 kms away but I may not know my neighbour’s.) That discretion may fade away as life or death decisions become more and more necessary in the biomedical-tyranny aspects of transhumanity’s society – and in the same way the question of how we acquire our food or certain services will gradually occupy the foreground as non adhering persons will notice that certain other persons they know do not reach for their mobile to pay.

It would probably be a soft transition. You may liken it to the way the first Christians lived amidst other people who had not converted. Jesus’ saying "give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar, and give to God what belongs to God” comes to mind. Increasingly people may feel attracted to a way of life in which more and more will be given to God as it “belongs to God”. What is left to the State, global or local, may still be there but is becomes increasingly insignificant. Imagine in the services field what faith in natural/holistic medicine will mean, or in the educational world what community schooling will mean. It may become dominant before the obsolescence or desertification of our present health and educational systems happen because of their own inertia.

As less and less money goes round, there will be less and less taxable. On the other hand, when the State retaliates by withdrawing money or lessening the minimal amount allocated to a "non complying person", that may become less and less important to that person because he or she in essence depends not on this State money that seemingly makes you happy but on the happiness shared thanks to a fair system.

[palehorse]

WOW that is a way more than what I was expecting to read in this thread, thanks @ozmirage and @Michel Leclerc and for all that contribute and read.

I would like to point out that I am not a tax payer in my home country (I am not American), neither where I'm living currently, I mean I have no annual declaration to the revenue office for more than 5 years now, and the assets I have is not my name except land in my home country which I don't pay tax either. I have no plans to return paying tax ever again. By now I am half ghost in this system, the only information they got about me is my passport/visa and 1 bank account that us used for legal stuffs only, I have no credit cards and no debits.

It will take some time for me to digest what @ozmirage wrote above.

The problem is much older and it was passed down the line, luck those who could see and take control over their ways of living, the majority definitely didn't, hence the mess we are into.

IF 51% consensus are reached, we could possibly turn the table, as in many consensus elsewhere, the majority win (isn't that what we call democracy?).. but who would authenticate that victory if it would not be centralized? Isn't that the same thing as just stop complaining with all the laws and regulations?

Anarchism comes to mind, I mean the real Anarchism not the bull**** depicted by the media with riots and ****, but long story short...

More people become aware of the horror of the situation, more technologies is introduced into their lives.. less and less people know how to do things on their own.. the digital world already destroyed so many beyond repair.

Not everybody, not even a small percentage of the imaginary 51% understand about "laws of man" including myself. I would not count on people become "educated" in laws in order to win a game like that.. it is a cheat game where money and power always win, the entire system is rigged and the problem persist and just get inflated, now that almost everything is digital, they can manipulate whatever they want the way they want. Honestly, it must be another way.

I am not counting on changing an entire rigged system (ditch it would be a better option than try to fix), but change ourselves and our immediately circle of friends/family/etc, becoming more conscious and aware about the situation and spread down our own blood line, and actually do something more practical, for instance we know the financial system is in the brink of big changes, and they will force us all to adopt their new digital currency, my original question for this thread was, what can we do about that when paper money is around anymore? Right now I don't know a single person/business that would accept silver or gold in exchange for groceries or services.

In the country side I know a community of locals around our piece of land and they barely use money, when they do is for something personal for themselves, they exchange services very often, like helping each other with ploughing the field, harvesting, fencing areas, etc.. the few things I noticed they need money to buy, was Oil Diesel, Engine Oil for machinery, some parts when necessary, tires, etc.. in general they barter a lot, specially about food, there is no shortage of anything.

[ozmirage]

Please note, that only AMERICA has a "republican form" of government, which is NOT synonymous with "republic."
The Peoples Republic of China IS a republic, but not a republican form.
Nor is the US Constitution the source of the republican form, ergo, it's not synonymous with a "constitutional republic."


Not 1 in 100,000 Americans can accurately define the republican form, its source and origin. This is due to the world's greatest propaganda ministry eradicating any knowledge of the republican form - despite it being in PLAIN SIGHT.


The actual law is available to the public in any county courthouse law library. But few bother to read and comprehend law. Frankly, even lawyers aren't taught law. They're taught procedure and argumentation over what they're allowed to argue. I have not found many court citations wherein someone is arguing about Creator endowed rights of the plaintiff or defendent. Invariably, the issue in controversy is some government PRIVILEGE derived from CONSENT of the governed.


This leads me to conclude that the servant government has no authority to tax, regulate nor trespass upon Creator endowed rights and liberties possessed by the sovereign people. Only the government granted privileges (aka "civil rights" and "political rights") are subject to and object of their legislation and jurisdiction.


REFERENCES

REPUBLIC - A commonwealth; That form of government in which the administration of affairs is open to all the citizens. In another sense, it signifies the state, independent of its form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 1302
...
1. A commonwealth
2. Administration open to citizens

3. The state, regardless of its form of government

But that contradicts the republican form of government.
...
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people,... directly...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
In a republican form the people are the sovereigns - directly exercising the powers of sovereignty. Citizens, by definition, are subjects of a sovereign.
. . .
“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are SOVEREIGNS WITHOUT SUBJECTS, and have none to govern but themselves.

“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance;[I] our Governors are the agents of the [sovereign] people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign [the people] in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns."
- - - Justice John Jay in Chisholm v. Georgia (2 U.S. 419 (1793))
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/2/419#writing-USSC_CR_0002_0419_Z

RECAPPING - - -
1. People are the sovereigns
2. Governments are their servants (not unlike regents)
3. Citizens, who consented to be governed, are not sovereigns

I REPEAT : Citizens are NOT sovereigns

CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or SUBMITTED themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244

"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "SUBJECT" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)

SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
(* clever joke - only one nation on Earth has a republican form)

CITIZENS have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of a sovereign government. Remember the founders who signed the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE? They pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to create, establish and serve the governments instituted to secure the endowed rights of the PEOPLE (sovereigns).
BUT THEY NO LONGER POSSESS THOSE RIGHTS, having pledged them away.
I repeat, no citizen has an endowed right to life, liberty, absolute ownership, inherent powers, etc, etc, etc, when he has consented to be governed.
Mandatory civic duties abrogate all endowed rights.
All that remain are the privileges granted BY government ("constitutional rights").

[ozmirage]

In the country side I know a community of locals around our piece of land and they barely use money, when they do is for something personal for themselves, they exchange services very often, like helping each other with ploughing the field, harvesting, fencing areas, etc.. the few things I noticed they need money to buy, was Oil Diesel, Engine Oil for machinery, some parts when necessary, tires, etc.. in general they barter a lot, specially about food, there is no shortage of anything.
GREAT EXAMPLE of sane prosperity - based on prodigious production of surplus goods and services, equitably traded and enjoyed. This is in contrast with MONEY MADNESS, where folks believe that "Making money" is how they can get RICH!

Of course, few folks know who controls the amount and value of money tokens. But suffice to say, any money token NOT created by the laborers or businesses that generate goods and services, is A SCAM TO ROB THEM.

That includes BitchCoin, all "cyber currencies", Federal Reserve NOTES, Euros, and any other bank issued or government issued medium of exchange.

Coincidentally, the US CONgress has no power to "create money." Pursuant to the USCON, Art 1, Sec 8, Sec 10, CONgress has the power to "coin money" (stamp bullion) or "borrow money." CONgress cannot create bullion. And if it did have a power to create money, why would it need the power to BORROW IT?
Ergo, American governments do not "print up money."
Never have and never will.
Can you guess what those green pieces of paper really are?

[ozmirage]

Americans restoring sovereignty is a valid remedy for individuals.
But what about a group?
As mentioned in the previous post, a COMMUNITY of folks who barter, would generate prodigious prosperity because they're isolated from the MONEY MAD system.

IMHO, solo survival is not a good long term solution.

Under existing American law, people have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure. There is no bar for people to mutually defend their persons, liberty and / or property from predators. You can build alliances composed of your family, your extended family, friends and neighbors. You can construct defensible fortified villages. You can cooperate and pool resources to accomplish projects that dwarf the capacity of any individual’s abilities.

And your intolerance of predators can range from opposing trespassers to shunning those who you find unacceptable, repulsive, repugnant or disgusting like socialist slavers. When you’re no longer compelled to participate in supporting evil (via socialism), they won’t have easy means to live at your expense, enforced by a predatory government and its stooges.


There are many examples of cooperative living throughout history : Kibbutz, Ashram, Monastery, Commune, Sacred Hoop, and so on.

My personal favorite : DUAL RING VILLAGE.

What is a "Dual Ring Village"?

Imagine a five story row of businesses (street level) and apartments above. Wrap into a ring. Do it again. Dual Ring Village.
Two ring buildings around a central park, separated by a ring road.

The characteristics that distinguish the Ring Village from other forms
of high population density mixed use development / housing are:

1. Non-linear ring (doughnut in a doughnut)
2. Stacked continuous balconies (think French Quarter, New Orleans)
3. Central park (Public round - not a public square)
4. Ground level reserved for enterprise, socializing, public access
5. Upper levels reserved for homes and small offices
6. Single gateway to control access (security option)
7. Close proximity to resources, parkland, social contact, and vocation
8. Ring street between the dual ring buildings (can't get lost!)
9. Rooftop garden and balcony planters, to add more greenery
10. Thick barrier exterior wall, providing protection from storm surge, flash flooding, mud slides, earthquake, snow drifts, ash fall, flying debris, stampedes, mutant zombie biker gangs, etc, etc.

Variations:
[] The central park can have enhanced security by limiting access from ground level enterprises - no doors facing the park. If access is limited to the gateway, there's a reduced threat to children left playing unattended. And if the inner gate is 180 degrees opposite of the main gate, the potential for a "snatch and run" is reduced.

[] Ring street can be configured as pedestrian mall... no outside vehicles allowed.

Engineering Benefits -

Curved wall - resistant to racking forces, earthquakes; encloses more area with less material; spills wind; increased strength.

A sturdy barrier wall can resist storm surge, floods, mudslides, flying debris, etc., further strengthened by partition walls between inner and outer walls. (Like Bamboo)

A high barrier wall protects from flash floods, and other unwanted intrusions.

A non-flammable wall protects from heat, fire, etc. (concrete skinned rammed earth, 2 meters / 6 feet thick)

The ring building, subdivided into apartments, provides more straight walls for more efficient use of space - unlike domes. And the ring has fewer exposed surfaces, reducing energy consumption for maintaining comfort.
A rectilinear building has six sides (4 walls, roof, floor). A ring building has four sides (2 walls, roof, floor). An apartment within a ring, may have as little as one surface directly exposed to the elements.

TO THOSE WHO THINK THAT GOING "OFF GRID" IN THEIR SOLO FARMETTES IS THE REMEDY
- - -
Though the stalwart solo family farm is a feature across America, it's actually not sustainable. Consider the simple fact that if the owners don't want to or can no longer farm, they're in trouble. The demise of the family farm and the rise of Agribiz is the consequence.

In the bulk of the world, farmers lived in villages, surrounded by their farmlands, to which they commuted. And you won't see too many corporate farms in those locations.

Check out Michelfeld or Bibersfeld, Germany, 49.096931° 9.677831°
on Google Earth to see an example of a countryside dotted with ag-villages. And as to "sustainability," I think you would agree that Europe has been sustaining itself for thousands of years.

Then compare that with a typical American agricultural area, dotted with isolated family farms.
For example, near the town of Hartsburg, IL. 40.249337° -89.440157°
You can see square after square of fields, with the isolated family farmhouse, each like a tiny island.

What happens if something goes wrong? If you were a farmer living in a farming village, you could get help - hire locals - or if you no longer wished to farm, you could find a new vocation in the village.

In short, the most effective long term remedy may be to form a cooperative community, housed within a fortified village, surrounded by fields, to which the farmers commute.

BUT how do you determine compatibility?

If you believe that what’s yours is yours, and what’s mine is mine, we may be good neighbors.
If you believe that what’s mine is also yours, we may not be good neighbors.
If you believe that what’s mine can be taken by government to give to you, you’re a socialist thief.


TOLERANCE OF PREDATORS IS UNMERCIFUL TO THEIR NEXT VICTIM.
That's all folks - - -


Mentioned here, too:
https://survivalblog.com/2013/04/24/letter-re-a-dual-ring-village/ (https://survivalblog.com/2013/04/24/letter-re-a-dual-ring-village/)
https://survivalblog.com/2014/03/23/letter-re-dual-ring-village/
(The blog appears to have lost its cross links to the various blog posts)

https://www.survivalistboards.com/threads/being-a-prepper-when-you-are-single-alone-and-out-in-the-country.932868/post-19937754

[ozmirage]

In America's history, there can be found many examples of idealistic communities. Today, some are called "Intentional Communities." Some were based on religious orders and sects, like the Bruderhof, and the Shakers. Some were secular and socialist / communist (not to be confused with the totalitarian police states that relied on slavery to the state and theft by government).

And some were a mix of both religion and secularism - like the Israeli Kibbutz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIOl1RG6NbQ


CAVEAT - Kibbutzim were not perfect, and had several flaws, the biggest being communal upbringing of the children. It turned out that growing up in close proximity, tended to stifle "romantic" feelings. Invariably they sought marriage partners outside of their own Kibbutz "family". This, in turn, drained away a lot of talent from the community, as many left and did not return with their new spouses.

"Keeping the Kibbutz"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeping_the_Kibbutz
The film was broadcast nationally on PBS World and over 75 PBS stations, and continues to air on individual PBS stations.
Look Back to Galilee: Review: Keeping the Kibbutz

In "Keeping the Kibbutz" (PBS), interviews with old-timers explored what the Kibbutz once was, and what it had changed into, since the 1970s. Most mourned the change. Some preferred the old way even though they make "more" money under the privatized mode.

The overall sentiment was the feeling of communal caring, that no one was in competition with another, made life far better.

As one report noted, Kibbutzniks had a middle class lifestyle despite lower class jobs. Perhaps this is due to the lack of "skim" by bankers, etc.

Another interesting factor - folks became "skilled" or gained "careers" because no one else was available to do the job. One woman became a retail store manager. Another became a restaurant cook. Another became a dairy farmer. Another guy fixed bicycles and farm equipment. They just "fell into" the jobs, and became skilled over time. No worries about unemployment !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz

Lessons / inferences from the Israeli Kibbutz
[] Zealots and idealists can achieve amazing successes
[] Learning from mistakes is crucial, learning from the mistakes of others is wise
[] Pioneering settlers should not be surprised by the poor quality of the lands they acquire cheaply
[] Being part of an interdependent group is better than being alone, though self reliant

Quickie Soundbite Summary
... Kibbutzim ...
[] Implementation of communism, “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”
[] A society dedicated to mutual aid and cooperation.
[] Joint ownership
...
Good points :
===> Strong bonds of an extended family; emotional and physical support mechanism
===> Kibbutzniks were unselfish and generous with their fellow members, in general
===> Successful at building group prosperity under trying conditions and with marginal resources
===> No widespread disparity in the standard of living - little in the way of envy or coveting other people’s property
===> Middle Class lifestyle despite peasant labor, access to economies of scale [large community pool, community dining, meeting hall, on-site school, child care, etc]

IMHO, their prosperity was partly based on not having to pay exorbitant "skim" to usurers / bankers nor socialist taxes to the State. So their own "socialist" taxes / duties were kept within their community, and progressively enriched them.

Bad Points :
<> Separation of children from parents into collective nurseries, and unforeseen consequences from close association of unrelated children (created ‘sibling bond’ that interfered with courting behavior in later life - they tended to marry outside their native kibbutz)
<> Gossip (everybody knew everybody’s business)
<> Grudges (friction within the kibbutz tended to fester)
<> “Democratic control” over group resources (susceptible to petty politics)
<> Pooled wages, lack of incentive for surplus, rigidity, inequitable pay***

*** anyone focused upon the money issue, may be infected with money madness. So it is natural that such folks would bristle at the notion that money and prices don't really matter.

Anyone seeking to design a COOPERATIVE COMMUNITY can learn a lot from examining the KIBBUTZ.

Frankly, society would be better off if it did form tight knit cooperatives and family clans, that cared for its membership, instead of expecting Big Brother to "do it for them."

[ozmirage]

FOUNDATION
In essence, we have Creator endowed rights (life, liberty, absolute ownership, inherent powers, etc) that are susceptible to attack, by nature, by predators, and by chance.

We seek to secure those rights and liberties, by our harmless efforts to provide shelter, food, and other necessities. In the process, we need access to land, clean water, fresh air, resources, fuel, tools, and have to deal with the aftermath - as in dealing with waste and pollution.

Under the law of love, harmless people generate goods and services, for themselves and for trade.

Equitable trade (barter) is acceptable to both parties, not necessarily equivalent in money tokens, nor measurable. Which is good - since no money token system in the history of mankind kept proportionality with the marketplace of goods and services. What government can't account for, it can't tax.

Money is not a measure of wealth nor prosperity. It only has power where it is scarce and in demand. And any money token NOT created by the local laborers / businesses, is a scam to rob them of their labor and property.

Prosperity is based on prodigious production of surplus usable goods and services, equitably traded and enjoyed. Doing more with less so more can enjoy is superior to doing less with more so few can enjoy.

TANSTAAFL * (There ain't no such thing as a free lunch)
Don't be fooled into seeking "freebies" - they invariably will cost far more - like enslavement to the state in order to get "entitlements". If you accept that governments can take from one to give to you, you must accept that the government can take from YOU, and give it to someone else - minus a cut for their (mis)management.

Collective ownership is a difficult and risky system, since shared responsibility is rarely achieved. People will often waste that which they are freely given, without any equitable effort or goods in trade, disrespecting those who sacrificed for their benefit. Whereas absolute ownership by one is clear and unambiguous. Perhaps the optimal path is cooperation, by individual owners, to pool labor and resources, to achieve their individual and group goals.

Voluntary charity by those who have prodigious surplus is far different from compulsory charity in a socialist system, where poverty is equally shared... excepting the elite members.

In essence, our individual goals should incorporate the need for access to or ownership of land upon which we can "pursue happiness" and fulfill our needs for survival, and to thrive and prosper.

Once we have a domicile, a permanent and legal home, we can build true prosperity, based on prodigious production of surplus, traded and enjoyed. (Beware subsistence - "just enough" - for any shortfall will be catastrophic)

And when we have prosperity based on surplus (not money), we can afford to be generous to those in need, based on our own criteria - not what a bureaucrat defines as needy.


Otherwise, we shall be impoverished, vagrants, and wanderers, without a place to call home, dependent upon the charity of others, and beholden to the benefactor.

[ozmirage]

PURSUE HAPPINESS
A teacher gave a balloon to every student, who had to inflate it, write their name on it and throw it in the hallway. The teacher then mixed all the balloons. The students were then given 5 minutes to find their own balloon. Despite a hectic search, no one found their balloon.

At that point, the teacher told the students to take the first balloon that they found and hand it to the person whose name was written on it. Within 5 minutes, everyone had their own balloon.

The teacher said to the students: "These balloons are like happiness. We will never find it if everyone is looking for their own. But if we care about other people's happiness, we'll find ours too."


May your day be filled with happiness.

[Michel Leclerc]

PURSUE HAPPINESS
A teacher gave a balloon to every student, who had to inflate it, write their name on it and throw it in the hallway. The teacher then mixed all the balloons. The students were then given 5 minutes to find their own balloon. Despite a hectic search, no one found their balloon.

At that point, the teacher told the students to take the first balloon that they found and hand it to the person whose name was written on it. Within 5 minutes, everyone had their own balloon.

The teacher said to the students: "These balloons are like happiness. We will never find it if everyone is looking for their own. But if we care about other people's happiness, we'll find ours too."


May your day be filled with happiness.

Great Ozmirage! Thank you.

[All is one]

@ palehorse

Stop feeding the beast is already a very good direction to take.


I think the solution can also lie in, people themselves, coming together with ideas to create the new replacing systems.

Like the LETS (Local Exchange Trading) system is an example of how people can begin creating their own systems. (Although that system might still need some improvements here and there. But it is based on good principles. )

We would need more parallel systems opposite to all the different existing systems. This time the systems should all be made by the people for the people & based on good principles.

This will, I think, create the strongest foundation for any and all people trying to live different than the mainstream.


QUESTION: about SOVEREIGNTY

Does anyone know if would it be possible for a group of people or organization to claim their sovereignty once they have a completely functioning system?


For if enough people could come together to create a parallel system and this system is granted the same sovereignty as the system in place now.

The transition to a new world could begin.
One in which one is free to choose what path to take towards the future.

[Tiyaira]

Does anyone know if would it be possible for a group of people or organization to claim their sovereignty once they have a completely functioning system?Yes, this is called self-determination. The group of you together are a society. Your system is the public authority or government of that society. As the creators/operators of that system, you are the sovereign in your society. It does not need to be completely functioning right away; you can be a monarchy in the beginning.


btw:

REPUBLIC - A commonwealth; That form of government in which the administration of affairs is open to all the citizens. In another sense, it signifies the state, independent of its form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 1302
Black's Law 6th ed. has an incorrect definition for Republic. Here is the definition from Black's Law 9th ed: A system of government in which the people hold sovereign power and elect representatives who exercise that power. It contrasts on the one hand with a pure democracy, in which the people or community as an organized whole wield the sovereign power of government, and on the other with the rule of one person (such as a king or dictator) or of an elite group (such as an oligarchy, aristocracy, or junta).
The key differentiator is the percentage of the population that manages the affairs of the society. The 6th ed. definition describes a democracy; the 9th ed. definition is more in alignment with The Law of Nations, but even then, it is not 100% correct either for it misallocates sovereignty.

[ozmirage]

Black's Law 9th ed:

A system of government in which the people hold sovereign power and elect representatives who exercise that power. It contrasts on the one hand with a pure democracy, in which the people or community as an organized whole wield the sovereign power of government, and on the other with the rule of one person (such as a king or dictator) or of an elite group (such as an oligarchy, aristocracy, or junta).


The key differentiator is the percentage of the population that manages the affairs of the society. The 6th ed. definition describes a democracy; the 9th ed. definition is more in alignment with The Law of Nations, but even then, it is not 100% correct either for it misallocates sovereignty.
FYI - the Law of Nations (Vattel) is NOT part of American law, and was written before the Declaration of Independence. (Plus, there are several different translations, which obfuscate things even more.)

And "republic" is not synonymous with a "republican form of government."

The term "republic" is ambiguous and can refer to many different things. Ex: The Peoples Republic of China is a republic but NOT a republican form.

In a republican form of government, the people are the sovereigns (born equal - none higher) with Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass.
BUT
those who consent to be governed, as citizens, surrender those endowed rights, because mandatory civic duties abrogate them. Ex: militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command - is an obvious violation of any right to life and liberty. But since the duty only applies to citizens (who are volunteers), no harm - no foul.

The propaganda ministry has been diligently eradicating any memory of the republican form, and substituting socialist democracy wherever possible.

Remember, under American law, governments are instituted to secure the rights of the people - not the citizenry.

People with endowed rights are mutually exclusive with citizens who don't have them.

If "all men" are created equal and have Creator endowed rights, what kind of people are those who are "born citizens" with mandatory civic duties that abrogate endowed rights? (14th amendment)
Connect the dots.
...
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln
INFANTS CANNOT CONSENT.
Ergo, they cannot be "born citizens" with mandatory civic duties that abrogate the very endowment governments were instituted to secure.

[palehorse]

Americans restoring sovereignty is a valid remedy for individuals.
But what about a group?
As mentioned in the previous post, a COMMUNITY of folks who barter, would generate prodigious prosperity because they're isolated from the MONEY MAD system.

IMHO, solo survival is not a good long term solution.

Under existing American law, people have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure. There is no bar for people to mutually defend their persons, liberty and / or property from predators. You can build alliances composed of your family, your extended family, friends and neighbors. You can construct defensible fortified villages. You can cooperate and pool resources to accomplish projects that dwarf the capacity of any individual’s abilities.

And your intolerance of predators can range from opposing trespassers to shunning those who you find unacceptable, repulsive, repugnant or disgusting like socialist slavers. When you’re no longer compelled to participate in supporting evil (via socialism), they won’t have easy means to live at your expense, enforced by a predatory government and its stooges.


There are many examples of cooperative living throughout history : Kibbutz, Ashram, Monastery, Commune, Sacred Hoop, and so on.

My personal favorite : DUAL RING VILLAGE.

What is a "Dual Ring Village"?

Imagine a five story row of businesses (street level) and apartments above. Wrap into a ring. Do it again. Dual Ring Village.
Two ring buildings around a central park, separated by a ring road.

The characteristics that distinguish the Ring Village from other forms
of high population density mixed use development / housing are:

1. Non-linear ring (doughnut in a doughnut)
2. Stacked continuous balconies (think French Quarter, New Orleans)
3. Central park (Public round - not a public square)
4. Ground level reserved for enterprise, socializing, public access
5. Upper levels reserved for homes and small offices
6. Single gateway to control access (security option)
7. Close proximity to resources, parkland, social contact, and vocation
8. Ring street between the dual ring buildings (can't get lost!)
9. Rooftop garden and balcony planters, to add more greenery
10. Thick barrier exterior wall, providing protection from storm surge, flash flooding, mud slides, earthquake, snow drifts, ash fall, flying debris, stampedes, mutant zombie biker gangs, etc, etc.

Variations:
[] The central park can have enhanced security by limiting access from ground level enterprises - no doors facing the park. If access is limited to the gateway, there's a reduced threat to children left playing unattended. And if the inner gate is 180 degrees opposite of the main gate, the potential for a "snatch and run" is reduced.

[] Ring street can be configured as pedestrian mall... no outside vehicles allowed.

Engineering Benefits -

Curved wall - resistant to racking forces, earthquakes; encloses more area with less material; spills wind; increased strength.

A sturdy barrier wall can resist storm surge, floods, mudslides, flying debris, etc., further strengthened by partition walls between inner and outer walls. (Like Bamboo)

A high barrier wall protects from flash floods, and other unwanted intrusions.

A non-flammable wall protects from heat, fire, etc. (concrete skinned rammed earth, 2 meters / 6 feet thick)

The ring building, subdivided into apartments, provides more straight walls for more efficient use of space - unlike domes. And the ring has fewer exposed surfaces, reducing energy consumption for maintaining comfort.
A rectilinear building has six sides (4 walls, roof, floor). A ring building has four sides (2 walls, roof, floor). An apartment within a ring, may have as little as one surface directly exposed to the elements.

TO THOSE WHO THINK THAT GOING "OFF GRID" IN THEIR SOLO FARMETTES IS THE REMEDY
- - -
Though the stalwart solo family farm is a feature across America, it's actually not sustainable. Consider the simple fact that if the owners don't want to or can no longer farm, they're in trouble. The demise of the family farm and the rise of Agribiz is the consequence.

In the bulk of the world, farmers lived in villages, surrounded by their farmlands, to which they commuted. And you won't see too many corporate farms in those locations.

Check out Michelfeld or Bibersfeld, Germany, 49.096931° 9.677831°
on Google Earth to see an example of a countryside dotted with ag-villages. And as to "sustainability," I think you would agree that Europe has been sustaining itself for thousands of years.

Then compare that with a typical American agricultural area, dotted with isolated family farms.
For example, near the town of Hartsburg, IL. 40.249337° -89.440157°
You can see square after square of fields, with the isolated family farmhouse, each like a tiny island.

What happens if something goes wrong? If you were a farmer living in a farming village, you could get help - hire locals - or if you no longer wished to farm, you could find a new vocation in the village.

In short, the most effective long term remedy may be to form a cooperative community, housed within a fortified village, surrounded by fields, to which the farmers commute.

BUT how do you determine compatibility?

If you believe that what’s yours is yours, and what’s mine is mine, we may be good neighbors.
If you believe that what’s mine is also yours, we may not be good neighbors.
If you believe that what’s mine can be taken by government to give to you, you’re a socialist thief.


TOLERANCE OF PREDATORS IS UNMERCIFUL TO THEIR NEXT VICTIM.
That's all folks - - -


Mentioned here, too:
https://survivalblog.com/2013/04/24/letter-re-a-dual-ring-village/ (https://survivalblog.com/2013/04/24/letter-re-a-dual-ring-village/)
https://survivalblog.com/2014/03/23/letter-re-dual-ring-village/
(The blog appears to have lost its cross links to the various blog posts)

https://www.survivalistboards.com/threads/being-a-prepper-when-you-are-single-alone-and-out-in-the-country.932868/post-19937754


Thanks for the links, much appreciated.

I took a good look into DUAL RING VILLAGE and they resemble those ancient settlement or fortress with layers of protection.

Something more or less like the ancient Arkaim

https://www.ancient-code.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/238eb93193bafcbd5dd7e3b1916f2e40f4151f3d-1024x724.jpeg

After taking a careful good look into it I found out a few downsides:

- it is a monolithic block, what if there is fire or infestation of some sort?
- it does not respect tenants' privacy due to wall on wall sort of separation of each living block, also it is very compact living style and it is supposed to everything happen inside the rings and in the long run it would probably look like a real ghetto. (not sure if it is a downside, but feels like specially if population in the rings grows).

I think the idea of have a thick wall like fortress is wonderful, but it won't work for a large space, unless someone build something like the great wall of china (just dreaming here lol), with one single point of entry/exit make sense from the security point of view.. but imagine walling 60 hectare of land, it is not an easy feat.

Using natural features would work in favor for the protection layer in my opinion. Imagine a scenario like the one in the celestine prophecy (wilderness/jungle/mountain), in Lost Horizon it is in a valley and the only access in through a cave entrance that is located on top of a mountain.. these are natural features used as a natural protection for the place. Japanese monasteries used to be located in very difficult places to reach, somewhere in the mountains where the climate allowed the people to grow food during certain period in the year.

Would make more sense to have separate natural built houses, for example from small simple cob houses to absolutely stunning earthship style architectures, but not limited to that, the commune idea is good too, everything should be looked at this point.

These are just a few ideas that could be more explored here, I like the concept to mimic nature and use it in our favor.

[palehorse]

@ palehorse

Stop feeding the beast is already a very good direction to take.


I think the solution can also lie in, people themselves, coming together with ideas to create the new replacing systems.

Like the LETS (Local Exchange Trading) system is an example of how people can begin creating their own systems. (Although that system might still need some improvements here and there. But it is based on good principles. )

We would need more parallel systems opposite to all the different existing systems. This time the systems should all be made by the people for the people & based on good principles.

This will, I think, create the strongest foundation for any and all people trying to live different than the mainstream.
..


What I meant by that is literally to stop using anything that has a sensor to collect data, basically everything digital connected to the internet grid (specially the dumb-phones and dumb-teevee)

AI in order to survive needs data collection, without it just dies out or will fabricate fake data with what they already got. The principle is basic, and it is a double edge sword, it works both ways, the cabal want to starve people out (they look us all as beasts (cattle)), we just have to look at them the same way, no need confrontation or violence, boycott will do the work. Boycott ALL their "stuffs" and if we have to ride horses again, then be it. The 500 millions they had carved on those Georgia guidestones says it all, we are underway for that right now.

I am positive that it will be a long journey for us and the next generation at least to build the parallel infrastructure, I know it is possible to be done, we just need to get together, organize and start doing things, I mean by that, it has to be done in total reclusion/seclusion, (a total retirement of the world) we can have both worlds once a decision of that degree is made.

But who want that? My guess is just a few, people tend to not believe anymore in what they are capable of.

We are the change, but we must act.

Today was listening to this broadcast with Mike Adams and Steve Quayle, if they are correct and a lot of things they went through is correct.. we don't have that much time.

e5f84126-bc60-4148-98cb-2e8d887136aa

and here is the MP3 file for the audio
https://video.brighteon.com/file/BTBucket-Prod/audio/16c76793-b401-4fa8-9106-834295bb18d3.mp3

[Tiyaira]

FYI - the Law of Nations (Vattel) is NOT part of American law, and was written before the Declaration of Independence. (Plus, there are several different translations, which obfuscate things even more.)Here is a search of the U.S. Code for the term "law of nations" (https://uscode.house.gov/search.xhtml?searchString=%22law+of+nations%22&pageNumber=1&itemsPerPage=100&sortField=CODE_ORDER&action=search&q=ImxhdyBvZiBuYXRpb25zIg%3D%3D%7C%3A%3A%3A%3A%3A%3A%3A%3Afalse%3A%7C%3A%3A%3A%3A%3A%3A%3A%3Afalse%3A %7Cfalse%7C%5B%3A%3A%3A%3A%3A%3A%3A%3Afalse%3A%5D%7C%5B%3A%5D). There are 20 search results with common phrases such as:
...obligations of the United States under the law of nations...
...under Federal law or the law of nations...
...offenses against the law of nations...
...rights or obligations of the United States under any treaty or the law of nations...
...as defined by the law of nations...
...the Constitution confers upon Congress the power to punish crimes against the law of nations...
...in the United States, in accordance with the law of nations...
...entitled under the law of nations...
...violation of the law of nations or a treaty of the United States...

Not only does the United States operate under the law of nations (whether by Vattel or otherwise), it also upholds it, and must because that's how societies in international law work and is what is required to maintain the peace. The U.S. Code clearly has a dependency on the law of nations, even if it was written earlier (and logically, a dependency is usually written earlier). The law of nations IS part of American law, and cannot be otherwise.


And "republic" is not synonymous with a "republican form of government."Generally, there are only three major types of governments, though they may have any number of forms. Rule by one (Monarchy), rule by some (Aristocratic Republic), rule by many (Democracy). Law of Nations: Book 1, Section 3 (https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/whatmore-the-law-of-nations-lf-ed#lfVattel_label_1257). "Republican form of government" vs. "republic" is an argument without merit.


In a republican form of government, the people are the sovereigns (born equal - none higher) with Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass.Governments were created to manage the affairs of the society to which they belong. The people who hold the power in that government are the sovereigns. Law of Nations: Book 1, Section 1 (https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/whatmore-the-law-of-nations-lf-ed#lfVattel_label_1257). That could be one sovereign (Monarchy), some sovereigns (Aristocratic Republic), or many sovereigns (Democracy).


Remember, under American law, governments are instituted to secure the rights of the people - not the citizenry.This part is mostly correct, I want to be a bit more clearer because it affects the understanding of other statements. It's People, not people. As in, We the People of the United States..., which is the name of the legal entity that owns the United States and consists of the Founding Fathers, their families, and their descendants (posterity). That's why many U.S. Presidents are related to each other. If you are in this group, you are counted among the sovereignty as you say. Everybody else is a tax cow. When you say that Creator-endowed rights go the people, it's actually People, and they only go to the sovereign. Not to the citizens, which you did acknowledge. Everybody all over the planet who claim "We the people" are actually trespassing upon a compact to which they are not a party. Look out for Capitonyms, it's an important part of English language procedure.

What we think of as countries aren't that. They are microstates operating a slave plantation of ignorant, indigenous human beings. And they all work together.

With respect to "born citizens", I'll quote from The Law of Nations: Book 1, Section 212 (https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/whatmore-the-law-of-nations-lf-ed#lfVattel_label_1642), though I agree that we should prefer a more conscious approach:

The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.

[ozmirage]

- it is a monolithic block, what if there is fire or infestation of some sort? If the exterior barrier wall is rammed earth (see : Hakka Tulou), 2 meters (6 ft) thick, fire isn't going to be an issue.


- it does not respect tenants' privacy due to wall on wall sort of separation of each living block, also it is very compact living style and it is supposed to everything happen inside the rings and in the long run it would probably look like a real ghetto. (not sure if it is a downside, but feels like specially if population in the rings grows). Acoustic privacy is easy to achieve with modern materials like SCIP. [Structural Concrete Insulated Panels].

Again, you might check out the Chinese Hakka Tulou. They built fortified ring buildings over 1000 years ago, and they're still standing.
The occupants commented on their superior performance - being warm in winter, and cool in summer. This is due in part to the minimal exposed area. [A modern version with insulation would perform even better]
Each room faces outward to a continuous balcony / walkway. Very convenient.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulou

I lost the link, but there's a scholarly article on the inherent benefits of the Hakka Tulou structure, with respect to disaster resistance, as well as being used to repel Japanese pirate attacks. There is no benefit to having separate detached housing.

[ozmirage]

It is a common error to assume "The Law of Nations" is a reference to Vattel's treatise.
In fact, it's a reference to INTERNATIONAL LAW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law
International law (also known as public international law and the law of nations) is the set of rules, norms, and standards generally recognized as binding between states. It establishes normative guidelines and a common conceptual framework for states across a broad range of domains, including war, diplomacy, economic relations, and human rights.
Furthermore, nothing in VATTEL's book deals with the sovereignty of the people, in a republican form.
. . . .
SOVEREIGNS WITHOUT SUBJECTS
“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns.”
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/2/419#writing-USSC_CR_0002_0419_Z

- - -
In the republican form of government, the people are sovereigns (unless they consent otherwise) served by (not ruled by) servant government (composed of subject citizens). Their rights and liberties existed before constitutional government (which is why the republican form is NOT a constitutional republic - nor can a constitutional government institute a republican form).

There is no such thing as a sovereign citizen. That is an oxymoron.
CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or SUBMITTED themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244

"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "SUBJECT" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)

SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
(Note: there is only one country with a "republican form" of government)

State Citizens
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
- - - Article 4, Section 2, United States Constitution
. . .
RELATED TO SOVEREIGN PEOPLE (non-citizen Nationals)
"The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these states, ... shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several states ..."
- - - Article IV of the Articles of Confederation (1777)__ “Free inhabitants” = sovereigns __
“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion. . .”
- - - United States Constitution, Article 4, Section 4.


“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the PEOPLE.”
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the PEOPLE.”
- - - Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the U.S. ConstitutionPEOPLE have rights and powers.
CITIZENS have privileges and immunities... but no endowed rights and powers.


= = = = =
CONSENT OF THE CITIZENRY
“ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.”
- - - City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944
https://casetext.com/case/city-of-dallas-v-mitchell-1
. . .
The rights of the individual / national / non-citizen / inhabitant / non-resident are not derived from government, but are Creator endowed... (i.e., republican form of government)

But once consent to be governed is granted, via citizenship, that endowment has been surrendered / waived by the citizenry. Why? Because mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, etc, etc. That’s the consequence of migrating to their [socialist] democratic form of government, where a majority can legally persecute a minority... or tax the snot out of them.

It’s been part of the law since day one. Did you miss the part in the Declaration where they pledged “their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor”? All citizens are presumed to have made that same pledge. That’s how conscription / militia duty is 100% constitutional and not a violation of rights and liberties... “Volunteers” don’t have any.


Geo.Wash. Sums it up nicely in 1783 - long before the constitution
. . .
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]

IN SHORT,
The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (qualified ownership of estate, via ad valorem taxes, etc). .. by his consent to be governed.
Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.


Re: Vattel's "Law of Nations"
There ARE at least two different translations floating about.
The better version is by Charles G. Fenwick (1758)
Joseph Chitty (1883) is a hatchet job for the lawyers, with deliberate obfuscations.

[ozmirage]

It's a common mistake to assume "republic" = "republican form".

REPUBLIC is a vague term and can mean many things.
REPUBLIC - A commonwealth; That form of government in which the administration of affairs is open to all the citizens. In another sense, it signifies the state, independent of its form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 1302
A republic is not synonymous with a republican form of government.
The Peoples Republic of China is a republic but not a republican form.
Voting and holding public office is a privilege granted to subject citizens, not exercised by sovereign people.

We have a REPUBLICAN FORM of government served by a democratic form of government.

Heirarchy :
Sovereign People
Servant Government
Subject Citizens


READ the Declaration of Independence and pay attention to the TWO JOBS:
1. secure rights, and 2. govern those who consent.

IF YOU HAVE NOT CONSENTED, YOU ARE NOT GOVERNED.
...
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln
...
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people ... directly ...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
...
In other words, those Americans who did not consent to be subject of the government are sovereigns, directly exercising their rights and powers under their republican form of government. They did not institute nor submit to the charter that established the servant governments.

MANDATORY CIVIC DUTIES
Title 10 USC Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of ALL able-bodied MALES at least 17 years of age and, ... under 45 years of age who are ... CITIZENS of the United States...

Art. 1, Sec. 8, USCON (1789)
Congress shall have power ... To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

Articles of Confederation, VI. (1777)
...every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of field pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage.
The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, MILITIA, on the jury, etc." In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".
.....
If not involuntary servitude banned by the 13th amendment, it must be VOLUNTARY SERVITUDE. And militia duty is only obligatory on CITIZENS.
Connecting the dots - citizenship was and is 100% voluntary in the united States of America.
If government can impose citizenship upon infants, then the mandatory civic duties abrogate the very endowment that governments were instituted to secure.

THERE IS ONLY ONE NATION ON EARTH WITH A REPUBLICAN FORM. Ironically, not 1 in 100,000 Americans can accurately define the republican form, its source and origin.
(No, it's not the US Constitution)
REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT. . . The fourth section of the fourth article of the constitution, directs that "the United States shall guaranty to every state in the Union a republican form of government." The form of government is to be guarantied, WHICH SUPPOSES A FORM ALREADY ESTABLISHED, and this is the republican form of government the United States have undertaken to protect.
- - - Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 6th edition, 1856
. . .
The republican form existed BEFORE the USCON, thus it cannot be a “constitutional republic.”

Need another hint?
Re-read LINCOLN's quote.
American republicanism (republican form) is based on "all men" being born equal (before the law - none higher) with Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate, nor trespass.

What is the "source" of that endowment? The CREATOR.
What is the "origin" of the republican form? The Declaration of Independence, aka Statute #1 of the Statutes at Large of the United States of America.

And all states repeat the "self evident truths" of the Declaration, in their own constitutions and or statutes.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION

Article I Declaration of Rights [Section 1 - Sec. 32]
( Article 1 adopted 1879. )
Section 1.
All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.
PENNSYLVANIA CONSTITUTION
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=00&div=0&chpt=1
Article 1, Section 1. Inherent Rights of Mankind

All men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation, and of pursuing their own happiness.
"All men" have endowed rights, but
"All citizens" have mandatory duties that abrogate endowed rights.
D'Oh!

[ozmirage]

Don't fall for "Patriot Mythology." I've been aware of the mythologists since 1989. They're either ignorant of law or deliberately spreading disinformation.

The law specifies TWO statuses: _ _ sovereign (people) and _ _ subject (citizens).
Those who FOUNDED the nation's governments pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor... to do what? To form and operate the governments instituted to secure rights of the sovereign people.

If one has pledged away his endowment, he no longer has it!
Ergo, all the Founders, and subsequent citizens, have voluntarily surrendered their endowed rights to exercise civil and political liberty (privileges). That's how all taxes (on privileges) are 100% voluntary. As are the obligatory duties, including "the Draft."

99% of mythology is convoluted explanations that avoid the point that everything government does to us, is based on our consent.
The three major consents:
1) Citizenship
2) Enrollment into national socialism (FICA)
3) Opening a personal interest bearing account with an instrumentality of the Federal Reserve.
Coincidentally, no instrumentality of the FedRes will open an interest bearing account for an unnumbered American, bless their hearts.
(You do know that usury is a capital offense in the Bible - see Ezekiel 18:13 KJV)

[Matthew]

I almost missed this thread because I thought it was about dieting. The list in the opening post is good, and more from the following posts. I am still surprised when I hear friends take 'smart' in good faith; smart metres, smart motorways, smart TV's, smart phones, smart watches. They are anything but smart, smart motorways obviously so. Smart metres are a sad one.

Cash might be a debt token but cash is our best current weapon in the battlefront against digital id. Cyberpunk science fiction like William Gibson puts cash as the futures illicit currency, untraceable but uncommon since it's out of print. But, well... use of cash now makes it harder for them to take the next step towards tracked digital id(/CBCD). If they discontinue physical money debt tokens, and make them illegal or nonviable in favour of digital debt-currency, then cash might eventually become super valuable again if science fiction is anything to go by? :beer:

[ozmirage]

Though most Americans don't know it - America is the only nation with a republican form, wherein its people are sovereigns without subjects and social equals of all other monarchs on the planet. Which explains why Americans don't bow nor kneel to foreign monarchs and nobility. And why it's perfectly legal for Americans to marry foreign nobility in countries were marriage to "commoners" is not allowed. (Ex: Princess Grace Kelly)

And in case you thought no one else knew what Thomas Jefferson had wrought with his clever Declaration, wherein American people were the sovereigns and not the government, consider the FRENCH REVOLUTION, 1789, and how they DID NOT institute a republican form.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citizen
Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen

Article III - The principle of any sovereignty resides essentially in the Nation. No body, no individual can exert authority which does not emanate expressly from it.
NO INDIVIDUAL CAN EXERT SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY. . . in France.

Whereas in America, we're all sovereigns without subjects... unless we consent to be governed as citizens. Of course, to exercise that prerogative one must have a domain - a domicile upon private property absolutely owned.

[ozmirage]

There are many many different forms of governments.
In general, governments are instituted to secure rights - whether belonging to a monarch, an elite, an upper class, or whomever.
All law is for the protection of property rights, all else is policy, and policy requires consent.
If one has no property rights, there is little for the law to protect.

A brief list of government types

1. Socialism / Collectivism / Communism (slavery to the State)
2. Totalitarian Police State (exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic, and political life of the people)
3. Plutocracy / Banker rule (based on money madness and usury)
4. Theocracy / Religious dictatorship (zealots R us)
5. Dulocracy / rule by slaves
6. Oligarchy / rule by a small faction
7. Democracy (direct or indirect), where a majority can legally persecute a minority
8. Aristocracy / hereditary rule by elite or privileged upper class
9. Tyranny / unjust exercise of power, no respect for individual rights or property
10. Kakistocracy / rule by the most unprincipled
11. Republic - political rule by a body politic (indirectly)
12. Republican Form - A government in which the individual is the sovereign, and is served - not ruled - by government instituted to secure rights (Often confused with "republic"). People are endowed with rights by their Creator, not by government. Government can only grant privileges and immunities.
13. Monarchy - an individual who is sovereign over all property and subjects
14. Meritocracy - leadership based on individual ability or achievement
15. Technocracy - A government or social system controlled by technicians, especially scientists and technical experts.

[palehorse]

Here is a chapter from The Green Book by Muammar al-Gaddafi

Chapter: The Family (page 73)

"To the individual, the family is more important than the state. Mankind acknowledges the individual as a human being, and the individual acknowledges the family, which is his cradle, his origin, and his social umbrella. According to the law of nature, the human race is the individual and the family, but not the state. The human race has neither relations nor anything else to do with the state, which is an artificial political, economic, and sometimes military, system. The family is like a plant, with branches, stems, leaves and blossoms. Cultivating nature into farms and gardens is an artificial process that has no relevance to the plant itself. The fact that certain political, economic or military factors tie a number of families into one state does not necessarily link this system or its organization with humanity. Similarly, any situation, position or proceeding that results in the dispersion, decline or loss of the family is inhuman, unnatural and oppressive, analogous to any procedure, measure or action that destroys a plant and its branches and withers its leaves and blossoms.

Societies in which the existence and unity of the family become threatened due to any circumstance, are similar to fields whose plants experience uprooting, drought, fire, weathering or death. The blossoming garden or field is one whose plants grow, blossom and pollinate naturally. The same holds true of human societies. The flourishing society is that in which the individual grows naturally within the family and the family within society. The individual is linked to the larger family of humankind like a leaf is to a branch or a branch to a tree. They have no value or life if they are separated. The same holds true for individuals if they are separated from their families – the individual without a family has no value or social life. If human society reaches the stage where the individual lives without a family, it would then become a society of tramps, without roots, like artificial plants."

and from here you tap into tribes, nations and so on..

[palehorse]

- it is a monolithic block, what if there is fire or infestation of some sort? If the exterior barrier wall is rammed earth (see : Hakka Tulou), 2 meters (6 ft) thick, fire isn't going to be an issue.


- it does not respect tenants' privacy due to wall on wall sort of separation of each living block, also it is very compact living style and it is supposed to everything happen inside the rings and in the long run it would probably look like a real ghetto. (not sure if it is a downside, but feels like specially if population in the rings grows). Acoustic privacy is easy to achieve with modern materials like SCIP. [Structural Concrete Insulated Panels].

Again, you might check out the Chinese Hakka Tulou. They built fortified ring buildings over 1000 years ago, and they're still standing.
The occupants commented on their superior performance - being warm in winter, and cool in summer. This is due in part to the minimal exposed area. [A modern version with insulation would perform even better]
Each room faces outward to a continuous balcony / walkway. Very convenient.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulou

I lost the link, but there's a scholarly article on the inherent benefits of the Hakka Tulou structure, with respect to disaster resistance, as well as being used to repel Japanese pirate attacks. There is no benefit to having separate detached housing.


The rammed earth building techniques are very similar of what people call cob or mud building, except that cob you have 3 main ingredients, and rammed earth builder also add gravel and silt as extra ingredients to the dough, cob uses straw instead or gravel and no silt. Also interesting fact, what they call stabilizer in rammed earth, was often used animal blood or just pure lime stone crashed and made into fine powder, in cob some builder still uses the animal crap as stabilizer, but it seems that is not what really helps stabilize the dough, it is quality of the clay and sand combined that does the magic, not every soil is suitable for such developments.

Well, if it is not too much to ask, do you have any sort of "blueprint" for the Tulou buildings or even for the Ring Village?

I am very interested in this subject, I think this sort of knowledge and skills may be very important in the not so long future, for those who will not consent anymore with the tyranny out there and want to pursue happiness on their own.

If I am not wrong sections or the entire great wall of China was built using rammed earth, it is a great example of how solid this method is, old farm houses in Europe also used to be built on rammed earth, in UK I think they still have those ones in the country side, in France too..

What you wrote is very welcome I know it will be very useful for everybody interested in make a change.

[ozmirage]

Well, if it is not too much to ask, do you have any sort of "blueprint" for the Tulou buildings or even for the Ring Village?.
Thought Experiment

Using the 10 acre square equivalent for a “city block,” we can inscribe a dual ring village within.
Square Block . . . . 10 Acres . . 4.05 Hectares
Side Length . . . . 660 Feet . . 201.17 Meters
Road Width . . . . . 18 Feet . . . . 5.49 Meters
Ring2 Width . . . . . 40 Feet . . . 12.19 Meters
Balcony2 Width . . 6 Feet . . . . 1.83 Meters
Circle St. Width . . 18 Feet . . . . 5.49 Meters
Balcony1 Width . . . 6 Feet . . . 1.83 Meters
Ring1 Width . . . . . 40 Feet . . . 12.19 Meters
Balcony0 Width. . . 6 Feet . . . . 1.83 Meters

Dependent Variables
Road Radius. . . . . . . 312 Feet . . . . .95.10 Meters
Ring2 Radius . . . . . . 272 Feet. . . . . 82.91 Meters
Balcony2 Radius. . . . 266 Feet . . . . 81.08 Meters
Circle St. Radius . . . .248 Feet. . . . . 75.59 Meters
Balcony1 Radius . . . .242 Feet . . . . .73.76 Meters
Ring1 Radius .. . . . . .202 Feet . . . . 61.57 Meters
Balcony0 Radius . . . .196 Feet . . . . . 59.74 Meters
Park Area . . . . . . . . 2.77 Acres . . . . 1.12 Hectares


Ring Area = (pi x rad1^2) - (pi x rad2^2)
Rad1 = 312, Rad2 = 272; Rad3 = 242, Rad4 = 202
RESULT = 129,182.29 sf per level
For this simulation, the model dual ring village is home to 462 inhabitants (800 sf per capita),
spread over 3 apartment levels, at a density of roughly 40 per acre.

Parkland density of Ring Village

Central Park area = 2.77 ACRES for 462 people,
166.78 people / park acreage
(the approx size of 2 football fields)

In contrast:
New York City = 38,147 acres parkland for 8,274,527 people,
216.9 people / park acreage

(Ring Villagers can change specifications, and adjust the DRV to fit their particular requirements.)


As to livability, it compares well with the many suggestions stated in "A Pattern Language".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pattern_Language

[ozmirage]

A town or city composed of hexagonally packed dual ring villages, surrounded by ring roads that connect via roundabouts (traffic circles) have inherent safety built in to the design by virtue of the radius of curvature.

http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/eng/tools/CalculatorESafeSpeedLessThanEqualTo50.shtm
Examples:
• For an outer ring road of 75 ft radius, the safe speed is 14 mph.
• For an outer ring road of 150 ft radius, the safe speed is 19 mph.
• For an outer ring road of 300 ft radius, the safe speed is 27 mph.
• For an outer ring road of 600 ft radius, the safe speed is 37 mph.
• For an outer ring road of 900 ft radius, the safe speed is 44 mph.
• For an outer ring road of 1200 ft radius, the safe speed is 50 mph.

By design, a city of dual ring villages and unidirectional ring roads would have inherent speed limitations - especially if roundabouts / traffic circles form the intersections between rings. The urban road system would be a mesh, with no need for stoplights, a moderate average velocity, and fault tolerant in the event of a blockage.
And the meandering path from curve to curve, prevents excessive speed, without the need for speed bumps, stop lights, etc, etc.

[ozmirage]

APPLE RING
Apple Park is the headquarters of Apple Inc., located in Cupertino, California. It opened to 12,000 Apple employees in May 2017. Nicknamed 'the spaceship' because of the scale of the circular building, it measures 1 mile in circumference, with a diameter of 461 m (1,512 ft).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Park

[ozmirage]

Good Idea - Bad Implementation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khrushchyovka
Khrushchyovka is an unofficial name for a type of low-cost, concrete-paneled or brick three- to five-storied apartment building which was developed in the Soviet Union during the early 1960s, during the time its namesake Nikita Khrushchev directed the Soviet government.

During January 1951, an architects' convention, supervised by Khrushchev (then the party director of Moscow), declared low-cost, quick technologies the objective of Soviet architects.

During 1954–1961, engineer Vitaly Lagutenko, chief planner of Moscow since 1956, designed and tested the mass-scale, industrialized construction process, relying on concrete panel plants and a quick assembly schedule. During 1961, Lagutenko's institute released the K-7 design of a prefabricated 5-story building that became typical of the Khrushchyovka.

64,000 units (3,000,000 m2 (32,000,000 sq ft)) of this type were built in Moscow from 1961 to 1968. The Khrushchyovkas were cheap, and sometimes an entire building could be constructed within two weeks.

Planners regarded elevators as too costly and as too time-consuming to build, and Soviet health/safety standards specified five stories as the maximum height of a building without an elevator. Thus almost all Khrushchyovkas have five stories.

Typical apartments of the K-7 series have a total area of 30 m2 (323 sq ft) (one-room), 44 m2 (474 sq ft) (two-room) and 60 m2 (646 sq ft) (three-room).
{A 400 sf (20' x 20') efficiency apartment is approximately 38m2}

I could find no specific tally of the number of Khrushchyovkas built across the Soviet Union. Vague references to millions having been built - and nothing more.
Of course, they are considered an embarrassment and now thousands are being demolished, due to their limited lifespan. If one “flies” via Google Earth, the big boxy apartments are ubiquitous, across Russia and the former satellites. Today, many have been converted into mixed use buildings, with offices and businesses on the ground floor, and apartments above.

Coincidentally, the American version - the Federal Housing Project - didn’t learn from the mistakes of the Soviet version. And many “Projects” have since been demolished or renovated into something totally different.

What lessons can we take from both models?
1) High density population doesn’t necessarily mean it has to be under the worst possible conditions, plagued by nuisances (noise, smells, environment, and over crowding).
2) High rise luxury apartments are desirable, whereas high rise “projects” are not. What distinguishes them?
3) Mixed use (businesses, etc) is an essential part of any urban development, providing convenient access to the goods and services for the neighborhood. Added benefit for the owners who can live above their businesses, minimizing commute time.

A dual ring village composed of five story ring buildings, featuring mixed use development, provides convenience, reduced time and distance, and a ready pool of shoppers for the enterprises and businesses located there. In fact, with a little forethought, the DRV can be configured to provide champagne lifestyle with a beer budget. Ex: home delivery / room service. Laundry service. Community pool. Prewire bedrooms to allow for remote monitoring of vital signs by the village polyclinic (or anxious parents), providing a low cost alternative to hospitalization. House calls could be like doing “rounds” in a round.

Khrushchyovka in videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCsFITNT5d0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83DFGFBG-IM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN-419d7vt4

Interesting observations: In one video, the woman mentioned that she could spend months not ever leaving her immediate neighborhood, since everything was nearby - grocery store - hospital - school - and a nice wooded park.

Music Video :
Stilyagi (Hipsters)
https://youtu.be/YGZFzm86oe0?t=598

[shaberon]

I understand the non-citizenship argument.

The difficulty is that it was never a cause, there was no common understanding based on this, and if not then it is hard to say it was the intent of the Founding Fathers. There was no such thing as an American National (https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5304&context=flr):


Far from a historical relic, noncitizen national
remains the status of people who are born in American Samoa today.


Judicially constructed in
the 1900s, and codified by Congress in 1940.

...congressional, judicial, and executive
actions between 1898 and 1940 that led to the invention and codification of
American nationals in U.S. nationality law.


In fact, all of these laws are based on the prevention or difficulty in gaining citizenship. Moreover, it appears the Revolution was fought to break British subjection, and presume you are a citizen of a State, according to an article on Early Naturalization (https://www.sethkaller.com/item/2103-25787-Very-Early-1790s-Naturalization-Certificate-for-Famous-French-Physician-%E2%80%93-One-the-First-Persons-to-Become-an-American-Citizen-Under-the-First-Naturalization-Act#ftn1):


The framers of the Declaration of Independence included among their list of grievances that the King had prevented the peopling of the United States by obstructing “the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners” and by refusing to pass laws to encourage immigration. The Constitutional Convention empowered Congress under the new government to “establish an uniform rule of Naturalization.”

White persons living in the thirteen colonies on July 4, 1776, became citizens of their states by virtue of their residence in the rebelling colonies. The Articles of Confederation implied that citizens of one state had rights in other states as well, and Article IV of the United States Constitution, ratified in June 1788, created a national citizenship, but it remained vaguely defined until after the Civil War.


In the first Congressional election cycle, American voters sent nine “naturalized” citizens to the Senate and House of Representatives; four of them had signed the new U.S. Constitution, and one, Robert Morris, had also signed the Declaration of Independence.


In current law, one is generally presumed a citizen at birth by 8 USC 1401 (https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8%20section:1401%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1401)&f=treesort&num=0&edition=prelim):


The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;


If I argue that I am in a State, not in the United States, I am afraid it will quickly catch me with:


(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States


Although the phrase "republican form of government" says you are endowed with sovereignty until giving it away by electing a representative, the phrase itself does not seem to have any special meaning, and it expects citizens, from other areas in Black's Law:

Commonwealth

...generally designates, when so
employed, a republican frame of government,—
one in which the welfare and rights of the entire
mass of people are the main consideration, rather than the privileges of a class or the will of
a monarch; or it may designate the body of citizens living under such a government.


For the Grandfather Clause:


...persons of good
character who understand the duties and obligations of citizenship under a republican form of
government.


You can just use the "real dictionary" if you like:


...a monarchical government, a republican
government, etc. Webster.



The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Under the Gurantee Clause (https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIV-S4-2/ALDE_00013636/) for a republican form of government, it was somewhat indeterminate what this was in 1849 when:


Chief Justice Roger Taney held that the political branches of government, and not the federal courts, should decide such questions: it rests with Congress to decide what government is the established one in a State . . . as well as its republican character.


See Deborah Jones Merritt, The Guarantee Clause and State Autonomy: Federalism for a Third Century, 88 Colum. L. Rev. 1, 23 (1988) (Even today, the outer boundaries of the guarantee clause remain murky; no single scholarly work can capture the full meaning of ‘republican government.’).


In the Constitution's Meaning (https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIV-S4-3/ALDE_00013637/) of its own term, there are no books on it until 1972, with some examples given on their own.

James Madison emphasizes popular sovereignty and majoritarian control as among the distinctive characters of the republican form:

[W]e may define a republic to be...


1891:

...the distinguishing feature of that form is the right of the people to choose their own officers for governmental administration...

The Court paraphrased Daniel Webster’s masterly statement of the American system of government as one where the people are the source of all political power, but that, as the exercise of governmental powers immediately by the people themselves is impracticable, they must be exercised by representatives of the people; that the basis of representation is suffrage.


So when you elect a representative, you have surrendered sovereignty.

You were apparently born a citizen of a State.

There could not possibly have been a cause about being a non-federal citizen, instead there was the Naturalization Act of 1790, because the issues had been that the British were preventing "new citizens" of the colonies. No one was quite going around wondering how to get the federal government off their back. Certainly, originally, The Constitution had nothing to do with it:


The unamended Constitution grants Congress power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization as to foreigners, but did not otherwise speak directly to who is a citizen of a state or of the United States. A common view at the time was that national citizenship was derivative of state citizenship, and that the latter could be conferred by birth within a jurisdiction, as under the English common law.


I understand that a National status clips a boat load of statutory law, but, I just don't see anything like this in terms of the "cause of freedom" or any explicit purpose in revolting against Britain. It seems more that "a republican form" presumes to take on more and more citizens. I haven't seen anything recommending to preserve your sovereignty by failing to vote, for example; rather, they did this so that they could vote.

On "subjects", Black's Law says:

The term is little used, in this
sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of
government.


Implying multiple countries have this, or "a republican form" is not different from "a republic". Neither Black's nor The Constitution clarifies it.

I might be missing something still. But it seems like in terms of law, National uses 1940 legislation which is still appurtenant to Samoans as a birthright. That seems to be who has common knowledge and enjoyment of Sovereignty as is not particularly expressed in the rest of history.

[palehorse]

Well, if it is not too much to ask, do you have any sort of "blueprint" for the Tulou buildings or even for the Ring Village?.
Thought Experiment

Using the 10 acre square equivalent for a “city block,” we can inscribe a dual ring village within.
Square Block . . . . 10 Acres . . 4.05 Hectares
Side Length . . . . 660 Feet . . 201.17 Meters
Road Width . . . . . 18 Feet . . . . 5.49 Meters
Ring2 Width . . . . . 40 Feet . . . 12.19 Meters
Balcony2 Width . . 6 Feet . . . . 1.83 Meters
Circle St. Width . . 18 Feet . . . . 5.49 Meters
Balcony1 Width . . . 6 Feet . . . 1.83 Meters
Ring1 Width . . . . . 40 Feet . . . 12.19 Meters
Balcony0 Width. . . 6 Feet . . . . 1.83 Meters

Dependent Variables
Road Radius. . . . . . . 312 Feet . . . . .95.10 Meters
Ring2 Radius . . . . . . 272 Feet. . . . . 82.91 Meters
Balcony2 Radius. . . . 266 Feet . . . . 81.08 Meters
Circle St. Radius . . . .248 Feet. . . . . 75.59 Meters
Balcony1 Radius . . . .242 Feet . . . . .73.76 Meters
Ring1 Radius .. . . . . .202 Feet . . . . 61.57 Meters
Balcony0 Radius . . . .196 Feet . . . . . 59.74 Meters
Park Area . . . . . . . . 2.77 Acres . . . . 1.12 Hectares


Ring Area = (pi x rad1^2) - (pi x rad2^2)
Rad1 = 312, Rad2 = 272; Rad3 = 242, Rad4 = 202
RESULT = 129,182.29 sf per level
For this simulation, the model dual ring village is home to 462 inhabitants (800 sf per capita),
spread over 3 apartment levels, at a density of roughly 40 per acre.

Parkland density of Ring Village

Central Park area = 2.77 ACRES for 462 people,
166.78 people / park acreage
(the approx size of 2 football fields)

In contrast:
New York City = 38,147 acres parkland for 8,274,527 people,
216.9 people / park acreage

(Ring Villagers can change specifications, and adjust the DRV to fit their particular requirements.)


As to livability, it compares well with the many suggestions stated in "A Pattern Language".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pattern_Language


Thanks for the thoughts, I will do some drafts and try to build a 3D model for it.

Regarding the type of the material used in the construction, I read it was usually cut granite or just fire bricks, these materials alone are most cost effective than traditional building, in order to keep a project as such in as low as possible budget, I was wondering if rammed earth for at least the construction of the walls of the rings would be a good idea, or using things readily available like straw bale or hay bales (for insulation if necessary) with framed walls.. also earth bag could work for such a project.

What are your thoughts regarding materials?

and thanks again for the measurements.

[ozmirage]

Regarding the type of the material used in the construction, I read it was usually cut granite or just fire bricks, these materials alone are most cost effective than traditional building, in order to keep a project as such in as low as possible budget, I was wondering if rammed earth for at least the construction of the walls of the rings would be a good idea, or using things readily available like straw bale or hay bales (for insulation if necessary) with framed walls.. also earth bag could work for such a project.

What are your thoughts regarding materials?

In general, anthropogenic stone (concrete) is the most inexpensive, and durable material. Rammed earth is "dirt cheap" (and / or cement stabilized rammed earth)

One possibility is rammed earth packed within laminated ferrocement (fiber reinforced cement, 1 inch / 25mm) skins. That way, the rammed earth is protected from water, etc.
For the massive 2m (6 ft) thick barrier walls, one might use formworks, that have laminated ferrocement skins built up, then earthen mix is tamped between the skins.
_ _ A large slip form could be re-used, saving on costs.

For thinner walls, a SCIP panel is probably best : (skin + EPS foam + skin). The insulation cuts heat transfer as well as dampens noise pollution.

Though curved forms would be ideal, it is not out of the question to use flat panels (or tilt up panels), due to the large radius of curvature of a dual ring village.
Tilt up panels have the advantage for optional textured mats to enhance the surface of the ferrocement skin. And one can use a texture stamp on the exposed surface, too. In fact, concrete / cement can be colored, stained, acid etched, and or textured to look like anything imaginable - wood, stone, brick, limestone blocks, etc.

Re: Laminated Ferrocement, invented by Martin Iorns (R.I.P.)
http://ferrocement.net/flist/index.php?topic=161.0

Texture mats & stamps
https://www.amazon.com/GlobMarble-Texture-Concrete-SM-2304/dp/B01MCZL47Q

Another improvement is helix wire reinforced cement / concrete. Galvanized twisted wire replaces rebar, forms a mechanical bond via the spiral shape, and enhances the strength by 25% or more.
https://www.helixsteel.com/

Smog eating additive to concrete and cement - Titanium Dioxide
https://theconstructor.org/concrete/smog-eating-concrete-buildings-pollution/57052/
When concrete infused with titanium dioxide is exposed to UV light, it breaks down pollution. In addition, it also prevents unsightly staining of concrete.

[ozmirage]

I understand the non-citizenship argument.

The difficulty is that it was never a cause, there was no common understanding based on this, and if not then it is hard to say it was the intent of the Founding Fathers. There was no such thing as an American National (https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5304&context=flr):



IF THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN AMERICAN NATIONAL, WHY IS THIS SECTION IN THE USCODE?
.....
In my copy of the 1993 edition of the 1992 US Code (50 titles), I found only ONE reference to American nationals.
Title 8, USC Sec. 1502. Certificate of nationality issued by the Secretary of State for person not a naturalized citizen of the United States for use in proceedings of a foreign state.
“ The Secretary of State is authorized to issue, in his discretion and in accordance with rules and regulations prescribed by him, a certificate of nationality for any person not a naturalized citizen of the United States who presents satisfactory evidence that he is an AMERICAN NATIONAL and that such certificate is needed for use in judicial or administrative proceedings in a foreign state. Such certificate shall be solely for the use in the case for which it was issued and shall be transmitted by the Secretary of State through appropriate channels to the judicial or administrative officers of the foreign state in which it is to be used.”
That is ALL that the Federal government will say about American nationals. No mention of any civic duties, taxes, or compulsory regulations.
P.S. - "U.S. national" is not synonymous with an "American national."

(BTW - a domiciled American national is also a free inhabitant / non-resident. Check your own state constitution and laws for the distinction between residents and inhabitants (non-residents).)

Remember, the servant (government) cannot define nor limit the master (sovereign people) and doesn't dare to "govern" them without consent.

Still skeptical?
"If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final."
- - - Calvin Coolidge, Speech on the Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence (1926)
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge

It's a common mistake to assume "everybody" born within the united States of America are "natural born citizens".
But citizenship is 100% voluntary - and infants cannot consent.
If ever citizenship is IMPOSED at birth, then the mandatory civic duties become INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE banned by the 13th amendment, as well as a violation of the republican form of government (and therefore a violation of the Declaration of Independence).

IF you believe that the DECLARATION is not the foundation of American law, please correct that error.

DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE IS LAW

https://nccs.net/1998-06-the-declaration-of-independence-part-of-american-law
(Do a site search on Professor John Eidsmoe if the page can’t be found)
The Declaration of Independence Part of American Law
Professor John Eidsmoe writes:
"The role of the Declaration of Independence in American law is often misconstrued. Some believe the Declaration is simply a statement of ideas that has no legal force whatsoever today. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Declaration has been repeatedly cited by the U.S. Supreme Court as part of the fundamental law of the United States of America.

"The United States Code Annotated includes the Declaration of Independence under the heading 'The Organic Laws of the United States of America' along with the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, and the Northwest Ordinance. Enabling acts frequently require states to adhere to the principles of the Declaration; in the Enabling Act of June 16, 1906, Congress authorized Oklahoma Territory to take steps to become a state. Section 3 provides that the Oklahoma Constitution 'shall not be repugnant to the Constitution of the United States and the principles of the Declaration of Independence.' (Christianity and the Constitution, pp. 360-361)”
= = = = =
Check your own state constitution and statutes for restatements of the Declaration that are in harmony with the republican form.

PENNSYLVANIA CONSTITUTION
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=00&div=0&chpt=1
Article 1, Section 1. Inherent Rights of Mankind

All men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation, and of pursuing their own happiness.Is that clear? All men have the right to life and liberty.
BUT
If one consents to be a citizen - wuh woh, Scooby.

Pennsylvania General Assembly
Title 51, Part II, Chapter 3
The Militia
§ 301. Formation.
(a) Pennsylvania militia.--The militia of this Commonwealth shall consist of:
(1) all able-bodied citizens of the United States and all other able-bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, residing within this Commonwealth, who are at least 17 years six months of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than 55 years of age...If you're a citizen, you are part of the militia, liable to be ordered to train, fight, and die on command.
What happened to those endowed rights to life and liberty that "all men" have?
D'Oh!

TL;DR:
[] American People / American nationals / non-citizens / free inhabitants are sovereigns without subjects, possessing Creator endowed rights, that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass.

[] American citizens / residents are subjects of their sovereign government, with mandatory civic duties to support and defend the government, that abrogate all endowments.

[ozmirage]

If you doubt that great expense and effort were used to ERADICATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE REPUBLICAN FORM, let me direct you to this tidbit:

Under “G” - - -
GOVERNMENT (Republican government) One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
Under “R” - - -
REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT. A government in the republican form; a government of the people; a government by representatives chosen by the people. In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 1303
Which one more accurately (if convoluted) defines the form of government wherein the people are endowed with rights that make them sovereign over the government instituted to secure those rights?

Which one uses a circular definition (red flag), and misrepresents it as a democratic form, with its elected representatives?

What about a Commonwealth?
COMMONWEALTH - ...It generally designates, when so employed, a republican form of government, - one in which the welfare and rights of the entire mass of people are the main consideration, rather than the privileges of a class or the will of the monarch...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 278
Characteristics of a republican form:
[] Individual sovereignty, directly exercised
[] Government instituted to secure rights, and nothing more without explicit consent
(Source : Declaration of Independence, 1776)

DEMOCRATIC FORM
DEMOCRACY - That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 432

DEMOCRACY - Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives. Majority rule.
- - - American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition.
Characteristics of the democratic form:
[] Whole body of citizens indirectly exercise “collective sovereignty” *(oxymoron)
[] Governed by elected officers and officials
[] a majority can legally oppress a minority
*(No minority has “sovereignty” when outvoted by the majority)
. . .
Due to mandatory civic duties, no citizen within a democracy retains Creator endowed rights to life, liberty, or absolute ownership of private property.

Restating - - -
Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, governments are instituted among men to [a] secure their endowed rights and govern those who consent.

Caveat - consent waives endowed rights.

Absent consent, all that governments are empowered to do is adjudicate disputes, prosecute criminals and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The people retain all endowed rights and are thus sovereigns without subjects.
(Chisholm v Georgia, etc)

BUT IF YOU CONSENT TO BE GOVERNED, mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed rights to life, liberty and private property. In short, sit down, shut up, pay and obey.

Would you believe George Washington?
. . .
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]

IN SHORT,
The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (qualified ownership of estate, via ad valorem taxes, etc). .. by his consent to be governed.
CITIZENS HAVE NO ENDOWED RIGHTS.
(That's one of the reasons why there was such a demand for "guarantees" embodied in the "Bill of Rights". Nothing in the ten amendments is for the benefit of the sovereign people who retained their endowed rights. It was for the subject citizens who had surrendered their endowments.)

Skeptical still?
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...”
- - - Declaration of Independence, 1776

NATURAL RIGHTS - ... are the rights of life, liberty, privacy, and good reputation.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1324

NATURAL LIBERTY - The power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control, unless by the law of nature. The right which nature gives to all mankind of disposing of their persons and property after the manner in which they judge most consistent with their happiness, on condition of their acting within the limits of the law of nature, and so as not to interfere in the equal exercise of the same rights by other men. 1 Blackstone's Commentaries, 123,
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth edition, p.919

" PERSONAL LIBERTY, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or NATURAL Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, [B]which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987
PEOPLE have natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, inherent powers, etc, etc.
CITIZENS have mandatory civic duties that abrogate natural and personal liberty and replace them with civil and political liberties.
I have yet to find one mandatory civic duty that applies to non-citizen American nationals / free inhabitants domiciled within the united States of America, who retained their natural and personal liberty.

WHAT ABOUT CIVIL LIBERTY?
CIVIL LIBERTY is the power to do whatever is permitted by the constitution of the state and the laws of the land. It is no other than natural liberty, so far RESTRAINED BY HUMAN LAWS, and no further, operating equally upon all the citizens, as is necessary and expedient for the general advantage of the public." 1 Black. Com. 125; Paley's Mor. Phil. B. 6, c.5; Swifts Syst. 12
--- Bouvier's Law Dictionary

CIVIL LIBERTY - The liberty of a member of society, being a man's natural liberty, so far restrained by human laws (and no further) as is necessary and expedient for the general advantage of the public. 1 Bl.Comm. 125. The power of doing whatever the laws permit. 1 Bl.Comm. 6. The greatest amount of absolute liberty which can, in the nature of things, be equally possessed by every citizen in a state.
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 918

LICENSE - A personal privilege to do some particular act or series of acts on land without possessing any estate or interest therein, and is ordinarily revocable at the will of the licensor and is not assignable... The PERMISSION by competent authority to do an act which, without such permission, would be illegal, a trespass, a tort, or otherwise not allowed.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p. 920
FYI: Licenses are part of civil liberty. People who have NATURAL LIBERTY do not need PERMISSION. They are not restrained by human laws... only the law of nature. No constitution, election or majority can deny endowed rights.

Thanks to the world's greatest propaganda ministry, most Americans believe they're "born citizens" in a "constitutional republic", and should exercise "political liberty" (voting and holding public office) to "participate in government."
No one mentions that once one consents, all endowed rights are surrendered.
Worse, when one signs up with national socialism (FICA), one has accepted the burden to support all other socialists, as well as become a liable party on the impossible to repay public debt. [See: Contribution]
And eligibility and acceptance of public charity ("entitlements") makes one a status criminal (pauper) and excepted from the protections of the USCON.

And that's why it was so important to eradicate any knowledge of the republican form of government, in which "all men" are born equal and have Creator endowed rights that are not subject to nor object of the servant governments instituted to secure those endowments.
If you have mandatory civic duties (militia duty, jury duty, paying taxes, etc, etc) you are NOT under the republican form, but under the democratic form, by your consent to be governed.

BUT if fraud was used to get your consent, you have the right to denounce the fraud, and withdraw that consent, and restore endowed rights.
OF course, if a large majority of Americans did such a thing, the PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF AMERICA would collapse in a New York Minute, being denied the tax revenues to spend, and subjects to rule.
And "good Christian Americans" would forgive those errant servants, but I fear that their foreign masters would not be so forgiving and would smite them.


The one thing feared across the globe is the success and triumph of America's republican form, which would inspire the subjects of the world to REVOLT against their masters.

[ozmirage]

"STARVE THE BEAST" is impossible if you're a consenting subject /crewman on the "Ship of State".

BASIC REFERENCES TO RFOG
● ENDOWED RIGHTS : life, liberty, privacy, absolute ownership, inherent powers
● INDIVIDUAL SOVEREIGNTY: dominion over one’s person, liberty, private property
● LIBERTY: natural and personal
● ABSOLUTE OWNERSHIP of land as private property (constitutionally protected)

BASIC REFERENCES TO DFOG
● Government privileges : political and civil liberties (aka “civil rights”)
● Loss of endowed rights to life and liberty : mandatory civic duties
● Submission to the State : subject to and object of rules and regulations
● Not at liberty : required to get permission (license)
● Qualified ownership of estate : subject to confiscation (without just compensation) for non payment of ad valorem taxes.

If you had a choice, which would you prefer?
Yes, the law says you have a choice.

REFORM DEMOCRACY?
Trying to reform the democratic form of government is like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic - after it hit the iceberg.
Even Libertarians have zero clue - they seek to "enact sovereignty" by surrendering their sovereignty in order to participate in the democratic form of government.
(D'oh!)

[All is one]

@ Palehorse:

TIME & ACTION

It might be true that there is not that much time. But that should not bother us.

If you’re scared that you will not have enough time to do something you’ll not be able to do it even if you would get enough time.

Rather it should motivate us more to take exactly the right actions to build strong foundations for the future we want.

It’s not enough that people know NEW SYSTEMS are a huge part of the solution if no one is working on them.
(It’s like knowing a good roof over your head will keep you dry. If no one is working on constructing that roof, only knowing that you need a roof will not keep you dry. …)


FEEDING THE BEAST WITH YOUR ENERGY?:

FEAR vs WISDOM

Remember everything is energy, (and everything is still possible).
It’s also important to understand that
everything will always return to a state of harmony & balance one way or another. Thus when you perceive one energy winning/losing remember that that is only a temporary state.

The dark side of the elite does not want you to know those things, they just loves to stress you and make you fearful, so that no one can not think of any substantial solutions. They love it when we all watch their show being revealed and start panicking & sort of running in different directions screaming from fear and anxiety.

They love fear. They feed on fear and aggression.

(Also; if you fear something you actually direct your own energy towards creating more of what you fear. Thus you’re feeding the beast with your fears …)

Taking sound, well thought out, actions because you know something is coming, that’s something different. Everyone needs to take the best actions for their own life path.

But you should NEVER take action out of fear, aggression, sadness, hate or so, because then you actually give your strength away towards things you do not want to absorb your energy…

In other words to “starve the beast”, on an energetic level, you would also need to train your psyche in being as fearless as possible and staying emotionally undisturbed even when faced with the most disturbing information. In addition to cultivating your connection to the cosmic law of harmony & the light/heart energy in every cell of your body.


In essence try to live from the heart and live with wisdom and the illusion of fear will start fading away. (This way you're not feeding the beast with your energy anymore.)


THE ELITE’s CONNECTION TO THE WHOLE

I do believe that even amongst “the elite” there are also those who are connected to the cosmic force of harmony; light/love and/or are wise enough to see the bigger picture and understand that everything is connected.
The only reason why we’re in the situation we’re in now, is because a certain part of the elite is much too disconnected from the knowledge of the whole & the consequences of their plans & actions towards the whole, including their own future.

But now, I think there’s already enough awareness at all levels that a different direction (to safeguard the future of this planet and its inhabitants) must be taken.


A NEW ROAD: PARALLEL SYSTEM:

THE AGE OF AQUARIUS

Since everything is connected; giving a road to the opposite energy is beneficial for everyone, including the elite. Because energy that does not get a place will find a place one way or another. (Definitively since they’re playing around with energy from souls returning to this planet over and over & different dimensions and major timelines).

The more they understand that the opposite energy also needs to be able to manifest here, the more they are in alignment with the highest laws of the universe, I think. (Thus I have faith in whatever will happen.)
This because energy can not disappear. It only transforms and shows up somewhere or sometime else.

Energy is the only thing that can not be controlled except by the creator of everything.
And it's this primary creation force which decides the universal rules and the way the energies change over time.
But that force works through all of us, thus we still need to do what's necessary.

Therefor, I think, it is better to start working on those parallel structure right now. Whatever may happen.

Basically not many people are needed to start up a parallel structure. And the structure can begin with some basic concepts.


YOU ARE THE CHANGE: LOVE & FREEDOM MARCHES ‑–­‑­­­­­­➔ STRUCTURES FOR HARMONY

But it does need some devoted people to begin with.

So where are all those brave and smart people ? (Those who are able to focus on creating a better change for this world long enough to make it a reality.)

If we all watch, the avalanche of information about what’s going on and what is going to come, and don’t do anything constructive, many of these predictions will come true, but if we (or some people) do the right things today and start working together on building a different structure, most of the calamities will never come to pass.


All is one

[palehorse]

"If no country is suitable, make your own."

I really like that idea Tiyaira, but I wonder how one can do it. Even in a "small" way.
Making our own reality, we càn do, even if it is somewhat limited. By "traveling inwards", it can be done though.

Have you arrived at a point where you feel you have - at least for your own self - achieved this?
Somehow I intuit you did. If so, congrats to you! It's an extraordinary feat in my opinion.

A few weeks ago I visited a country few people even know. It's very poor, yet there was (or is) a small "enclave" where what you described could be created. It would not even take a lot of money to emigrate there.

"Pursue self-determination, learn international law and the Law of Nations, build yourself up into a strong and honourable character, find some like-minded people, and take your freedom by agreement."

All of the above would be possible over there, but there are many other reasons why the chances to make it work are tiny.
If you want, I can go in more detail. The name of the country may tell it all though: Malawi.


Found something interesting about Malawai.

Here is the news:

~~~
The Secretary of State signs a Memorandum of Understanding with the Ministry of Agriculture of Malawi

5 October, Mzuzu, Malawi.

Liberland Secretary of State, Dr. Tariq Abbasi, reports that the marathon of negotiations he initiated more than a year ago has been a success.

Today, a Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Malawi and Liberland through a special arm of the Liberland Aid Foundation. This Memorandum signifies the recognition of our country as a valid and worthy diplomatic and economic partner for the African State.

The content of the Memorandum is comprehensive, promising tighter economic relations between the countries, peaceful resolutions of disputes should any occur between the parties, and a joint effort to attain mutually agreed upon development goals.

The Ministry of Agriculture of Malawi has ratified the Memorandum. The reason is simple: Both Liberland and Malawi wish to start their cooperation through activities in this sector. Malawi has the potential to become one of the breadbaskets of Africa and, perhaps, in time, of the entire world.

Given the current complicated situation regarding supply lines caused by the COVID crisis and the conflict in Ukraine, the time has come for Africa to step up to the international stage. The Ministry of Agriculture of Malawi recognizes this opportunity, and so does Liberland.

To give practical effect to the stipulations in the Memorandum, Dr. Abbasi has also founded the Liberland Trade Mission and Aid Foundation, a new entity in Malawi, which will cooperate with the government of Malawi to fulfil the Memorandum’s purposes.

We are happy to see this effort come to fruition and hope for a fruitful partnership between Liberland and Malawi.
~~~

Beside this news, also Colombia recognize officially the Liberland passport, Liberland are also in advanced talking with Pakistan and The Philipines.

I remember when they start not so long ago, it is unbelievable how fast they are moving (Note: I am not sure who is behind the entire thing).

source: https://liberland.org/en/news/407-diplomatic-success-in-malawi

For those who does not know what Liberland is, you can head to their official website :
https://liberland.org/

[palehorse]

...

REFORM DEMOCRACY?
Trying to reform the democratic form of government is like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic - after it hit the iceberg.
Even Libertarians have zero clue - they seek to "enact sovereignty" by surrendering their sovereignty in order to participate in the democratic form of government.
(D'oh!)

cough cough that was a good one, I have to say I agree with that, but not ALL libertarians are made the same, some just leave after they realizing the size of the trouble, some of them are good Anarchists.

[ozmirage]

...
REFORM DEMOCRACY?
Trying to reform the democratic form of government is like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic - after it hit the iceberg.
Even Libertarians have zero clue - they seek to "enact sovereignty" by surrendering their sovereignty in order to participate in the democratic form of government.
(D'oh!)
cough cough that was a good one, I have to say I agree with that, but not ALL libertarians are made the same, some just leave after they realizing the size of the trouble, some of them are good Anarchists.
Comment derived from the LIBERTARIAN PLATFORM, which one may presume to be supported by all self-proclaimed Libertarians. And being a "POLITICAL" organization, posting candidates and voting, it is consenting to the DEMOCRATIC FORM of government.

https://www.lp.org/platform/
“As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others.”
You cannot become free by volunteering to be a servant.
You cannot be sovereign by surrendering sovereignty to be a subject citizen.
You cannot rise to sovereignty by sinking into submission to the government.

It's ironic that America's republican form already recognizes that "all men" are "sovereigns without subjects."
". . . at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the [American] people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . ."
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/2/419#writing-USSC_CR_0002_0419_Z


All Americans are born equal (before the law - none higher). If no one can be "HIGHER" in status, then all Americans are at the HIGHEST status at law - sovereign. All elected and appointed government officers are "PUBLIC SERVANTS" (subjects), who are one step DOWN in status from the lowliest sovereign American.
Even the highest ranking public servant, the president, is one step below the lowliest sovereign American.

[ozmirage]

NO NEED TO "MAKE YOUR OWN COUNTRY"...
IF
YOU ARE A SOVEREIGN AMERICAN DOMICILED UPON YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Upon your private propertyj, constitutionally protected, you can "pursue happiness" without permission of another. Unfortunately, since 1933, and the confiscation of lawful money from circulation, most Americans have not purchased / acquired private property absolutely owned. Instead, they have qualified ownership of estate ("real estate", "real property").
[P.S. - "allodial title" is NOT a reference to private property.]
PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels.
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217

“... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
- - - Fifth Amendment, U.S. Constitution
All State and Federal constitutions explicitly protect private property rights... the right of every individual to absolutely own himself, his labor, the fruits of his labor and the lands he acquires by the sweat of his brow.
OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106

LAND. ... The land is one thing, and the ESTATE in land is another thing, for an ESTATE in land is a time in land or land for a time.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.877

ESTATE - The degree, quantity, nature and extent of interest which a person has in real and personal property. An estate in lands, tenements, and hereditaments signifies such interest as the tenant has therein.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.547

REAL ESTATE .... is synonymous with real property.
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1263

REAL PROPERTY ... A general term for lands, tenements, heriditaments; which on the death of the owner intestate, passes to his heir.
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed.,p.1218

INTEREST - ...More particularly it means a right to have the advantage of accruing from anything ; any right in the nature of property, but less than title.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 812

TITLE - "The formal right of ownership of property..."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1485.

DEED - A conveyance of realty.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.414

REALTY - A brief term for real property or real estate.
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1264 Estate = real and personal property = real estate = qualified ownership
A "title deed" to real estate is not a TITLE to private property.
Joint tenancy (community property) cannot be absolutely owned by an individual.
FYI - coverture in marriage was the usual means to preserve private property status, having all property rights vested in the husband.


CAVEAT : If you consent to be governed as a citizen, you've pledged your life, your fortune (lands), and sacred honor, and no longer have absolute ownership of private property. You can only have qualified ownership of estate and must pay AD VALOREM TAXES or lose that property.


Ask your public servants to produce a law or court citation that :
● Denies the endowed right to absolutely own lands and houses;
● Imposes a tax on private property, absolutely owned by an individual;
● Defines a minimum domicile;
● Requires the registration of private property transfers; or
● Absolves the requirement to pay just compensation (in lawful money - not wastepaper IOUs) for public takings of private property.
Republican form of government, digest form:
● What’s yours is yours.
● What’s mine is mine.
● Do not trespass upon the person, liberty or property of another - or else my servant, the government, will punish you.
IMHO, the republican form is the BEST form of government. Don't let it fail by ignorance, apathy or arrogance.

[palehorse]

@ Palehorse:

TIME & ACTION

It might be true that there is not that much time. But that should not bother us.

If you’re scared that you will not have enough time to do something you’ll not be able to do it even if you would get enough time.

Rather it should motivate us more to take exactly the right actions to build strong foundations for the future we want.

It’s not enough that people know NEW SYSTEMS are a huge part of the solution if no one is working on them.
(It’s like knowing a good roof over your head will keep you dry. If no one is working on constructing that roof, only knowing that you need a roof will not keep you dry. …)


FEEDING THE BEAST WITH YOUR ENERGY?:

FEAR vs WISDOM

Remember everything is energy, (and everything is still possible).
It’s also important to understand that
everything will always return to a state of harmony & balance one way or another. Thus when you perceive one energy winning/losing remember that that is only a temporary state.

The dark side of the elite does not want you to know those things, they just loves to stress you and make you fearful, so that no one can not think of any substantial solutions. They love it when we all watch their show being revealed and start panicking & sort of running in different directions screaming from fear and anxiety.

They love fear. They feed on fear and aggression.

(Also; if you fear something you actually direct your own energy towards creating more of what you fear. Thus you’re feeding the beast with your fears …)

Taking sound, well thought out, actions because you know something is coming, that’s something different. Everyone needs to take the best actions for their own life path.

But you should NEVER take action out of fear, aggression, sadness, hate or so, because then you actually give your strength away towards things you do not want to absorb your energy…

In other words to “starve the beast”, on an energetic level, you would also need to train your psyche in being as fearless as possible and staying emotionally undisturbed even when faced with the most disturbing information. In addition to cultivating your connection to the cosmic law of harmony & the light/heart energy in every cell of your body.


In essence try to live from the heart and live with wisdom and the illusion of fear will start fading away. (This way you're not feeding the beast with your energy anymore.)


THE ELITE’s CONNECTION TO THE WHOLE

I do believe that even amongst “the elite” there are also those who are connected to the cosmic force of harmony; light/love and/or are wise enough to see the bigger picture and understand that everything is connected.
The only reason why we’re in the situation we’re in now, is because a certain part of the elite is much too disconnected from the knowledge of the whole & the consequences of their plans & actions towards the whole, including their own future.

But now, I think there’s already enough awareness at all levels that a different direction (to safeguard the future of this planet and its inhabitants) must be taken.


A NEW ROAD: PARALLEL SYSTEM:

THE AGE OF AQUARIUS

Since everything is connected; giving a road to the opposite energy is beneficial for everyone, including the elite. Because energy that does not get a place will find a place one way or another. (Definitively since they’re playing around with energy from souls returning to this planet over and over & different dimensions and major timelines).

The more they understand that the opposite energy also needs to be able to manifest here, the more they are in alignment with the highest laws of the universe, I think. (Thus I have faith in whatever will happen.)
This because energy can not disappear. It only transforms and shows up somewhere or sometime else.

Energy is the only thing that can not be controlled except by the creator of everything.
And it's this primary creation force which decides the universal rules and the way the energies change over time.
But that force works through all of us, thus we still need to do what's necessary.

Therefor, I think, it is better to start working on those parallel structure right now. Whatever may happen.

Basically not many people are needed to start up a parallel structure. And the structure can begin with some basic concepts.


YOU ARE THE CHANGE: LOVE & FREEDOM MARCHES ‑–­‑­­­­­­➔ STRUCTURES FOR HARMONY

But it does need some devoted people to begin with.

So where are all those brave and smart people ? (Those who are able to focus on creating a better change for this world long enough to make it a reality.)

If we all watch, the avalanche of information about what’s going on and what is going to come, and don’t do anything constructive, many of these predictions will come true, but if we (or some people) do the right things today and start working together on building a different structure, most of the calamities will never come to pass.


All is one



Hi All is one, I really appreciated the time you took to write this post, thank you. :sun:

I am not doing things out of fear, but I started my transition out of the system quite a while ago when I decided to retire from the the debit system, and I decided that should be gradually/slowly until full withdrawn, I try to engage every now and then to know who is really interested in such things like building communities, alternative ways of life, parallel structures, seclusion (yes, why not?), self sustainable lifestyle and all these sort of stuffs, it is important to know what works and what does not, and there is no way to do that alone, we need each other.

I know it is possible to achieve success in this endeavor, need the right people, patience and persistence.

Everything you said must be part of such a community (gives direction), it is so important and I am sure many understand it as well.

In practical terms since I could not find anyone except a Canadian guy (but unfortunately he never showed up) that was interested in helping develop the land, today it is me and my daughter into it and she was delighted in learning about natural building, she got a really nice view of simple architecture despite of her age, we first built a cob oven and then bricks all out of clay/sand, we also made lime powder from stones, just "cooking" it in the previously built cob oven, we learned so much things in so little time, and that is a pleasure to be able to do such things on our own, that's real wealth, we already half established a perennial area.. and we want more things like build our own home from scratch using natural building techniques, dig a pond by hand, pigs, chickens, ducks, etc.. and everything we can do on our own.

By now I am interested in learning as much as I can about natural building among other constructions style, for example the Tulou and Ring Village are new for me, thanks for that I can now explore a bit of more options.

What really keep me going is the fact that if 2 of us was able to do what we have done, I can't imagine an entire community working together towards a unique goal, so much can be done and will.

To be frank with you, I don't want have anything to do with what is being done to the world, in terms of politics only if I decide to learn as much as possible about it would make some sense to pick a fight, otherwise it is a waste of time (my personal opinion). It is not about fear, I got extremely bored about this useless system we live on, and boredom may kill.

I see all this patriotism narrative been pushed around in many countries, same script, same ideals, almost same slogan.. feels pretty much like marketing. I am out of it for good and I don't want my bloodline be part of it either.

My basic tactics is to be part of the bare minimum necessary to stay "legally allowed" living in society until I can find a complete way out of it, but until there it will be like that.

Nowadays I have 1 "valid" passport with a valid visa and 1 bank account for deal with these issues, all the rest I already ditched or it expired on their own. My ID card in my home country is NOT valid anymore, but I still "their" citizen for whatever it worth for them, for me worth as much as nothing :)

There is no fear Amigo, I am a hands on sort of person, I like to explore options and listen to others, also I am trying things constantly, I am not afraid of make mistakes, indeed I do sometimes, no big deal if I can learn from it, if I can built a test ground on the land I have available here, it could probably serve as an example to be used in another places. I don't know exactly how it will be, I am open to ideas and solutions, that's the goal of this thread, try to break free as much as we can from technology and madness.

I hope we can accumulate as much useful information in this thread along the time, we already got very good points.

Once again many thanks for your post :bowing:

[ozmirage]

ADDENDUM :
IN AMERICAN LAW - - -

Real estate and private property are mutually exclusive.
Presumption of private property rights will not prevail when only the privileges of qualified ownership of estate are in operation.

Resident citizens are subjects, while domiciled Americans are sovereigns.
Presumption of sovereign prerogatives will not prevail when only the privileges of citizenship are in operation.

EXAMPLES OF SOVEREIGN PREROGATIVES - - -
The most famous is the legal right to inflict capital punishment absent trial upon trespassers.
If one posts the warning:
"PRIVATE PROPERTY - NO TRESPASSING - TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT,"
the owner will not be prosecuted for executing trespassers.
If you absolutely own yourself, then you also can kill in "SELF DEFENSE," and not be prosecuted.
TRESPASS - An unlawful interference with one's person, property, or rights... Any unauthorized intrusion or invasion of private premises or land of another. Antkiewicz v. Motorists Mut. Ins. Co., 91 Mich. App. 389, 283 N.W. 2d 749, 753
- - - Black's Law dictionary, Sixth Ed. P. 1502

PREMISES - Land, the buildings on it, or both the land and the buildings on it.

TRESPASS (Law) To commit an unlawful injury to the person, property, or rights of another, with actual or implied force or violence, especially to enter onto another's land wrongfully.
WHOA!
That's a potent sovereign prerogative.


● SELF DEFENSE : (Law) The right to protect oneself against violence or threatened violence with whatever force or means are reasonably necessary.
● AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE : An affirmative defense to a civil lawsuit or criminal charge is a fact or set of facts other than those alleged by the plaintiff or prosecutor which, if proven by the defendant, defeats or mitigates the legal consequences of the defendant's otherwise unlawful conduct. In criminal prosecutions, examples of affirmative defenses are self defense, insanity, and the statute of limitations.

[ozmirage]

Your OWN dominion is your own "country".


DOMINION - Generally accepted definition of "dominion" is perfect control in right of ownership. The word implies both title and possession and appears to require a complete retention of control over disposition. -Sovereignty; as the dominion of the seas or over a territory.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p.486

GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people ... directly ...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695

To directly exercise sovereignty, as stated in the definition for the RFOG, it begs the question : "Where?"

The fact that only in America is absolute ownership of private property recognized, and is why one must have a domicile (not a residence).

"INHABITANT - One who resides actually and permanently in a given place, and has his domicile there."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.782

"DOMICILE - A person's legal home. That place where a man has his true, fixed, and permanent home and principal establishment, and to which whenever he is absent he has the intention of returning."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.484

"RESIDENCE - Place where one actually lives ... Residence implies something more than physical presence and something less than domicile. The terms 'resident' and 'residence' have no precise legal meaning... [One can have many residences but only one domicile]
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.1308, 1309

"RESIDENT - ...when used as a noun, means a dweller, habitant, or occupant; one who resides or dwells in a place for a period of more, or less duration...
Resident has many meanings in law, largely determined by statutory context in which it is used."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.1309
A "legal residence" is NOT a permanent legal home (domicile).

Why is being an inhabitant important?

"The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these states ... shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several states; ...."
[Article IV of the Articles of Confederation (1777)]
Free inhabitants - who are not subject citizens - are recognized as having endowed rights that government was instituted to secure. They are the sovereign people.

If you are listed in the public records as a RESIDENT, you are NOT an inhabitant. And if you are a citizen, you are a subject.
Isn't it curious that only RESIDENTS are required or eligible to get permission (license)?

Does government make the distinction?
YES.

" No inhabitant of this state shall be molested in person or property ... on account of religious opinions..."
- - - Georgia Constitution, Article 1, Sec.1, Paragraph 4

"... private property shall not be taken or damaged for public purposes without just and adequate compensation being first paid.'
- - - Georgia Constitution, Article 1, Sec.3, Paragraph 1
No inhabitant, domiciled in Georgia, who believes that participation in socialism is a violation of his religious beliefs is to be molested, nor is his private property liable to be taken without just compensation first being paid.

I think you can guess what is NOT mentioned as subject to being taxed in the Georgia constitution. (ans: private property)

Oh, but what about RESIDENTS?

“ Citizens, protection of. All citizens of the United States, resident in this state, are hereby declared citizens of this state ; and it shall be the duty of the General Assembly to enact such laws as will protect them in the full enjoyment of the rights, privileges, and immunities due to such citizenship.”
- - - Georgia Constitution, Article 1, Sec.3, Paragraph 7
All U.S. citizens (subjects) resident in the state (not as inhabitants) are declared subject citizens of the state, as well. Isn't that SPECIAL?

I have not read all law, I am not infallible, but I have yet to find a law that trespasses upon the natural and personal liberty of the American national / free inhabitant domiciled upon private property within the boundaries of the united States of America.

If you believe otherwise, I suggest that you go to your county courthouse law library and read the statutes for yourself.
Do not believe me.
Go read law.
Prove me wrong.
I will be grateful for the correction.

[ozmirage]

Due to current conditions of "EMERGENCY RULES" (since 1933) and capitulation to foreign financial powers (via Bretton Woods "Agreement", etc), the U.S. governments are unlikely to change their policies that placate the "Creditor".
However, their obligations to secure rights of the non-consenting, non-citizen, non-resident, sovereign American nationals / people / free inhabitants is still on the books, and ironically, still not breached.

It is stipulated that there are very FEW Americans who have (a) withdrawn consent -and- (b) established a domicile upon private property absolutely owned. And with all the eCONomic restrictions and taxes, it is doubly difficult to do it on one's own.

ONE POSSIBLE REMEDY...
A group of people who share a common goal might pool their resources, and acquire property to establish their own dominion... as a religious retreat.

As everyone knows, land held in mortmain (dead hands) is not subject to ad valorem taxes. And if the lands and buildings are held by the bishop (corporation sole), they comply with the definition of "private property" held by an individual.
But how does that help the individuals who are not holders of "private property"?

If all "church members" have a life estate in the village, they have a permanent, legal home.
LIFE ESTATE - In common law and statutory law, a life estate (or life tenancy) is the ownership of immovable property for the duration of a person's life. In legal terms, it is an estate in real property that ends at death when ownership of the property may revert to the original owner, or it may pass to another person. The owner of a life estate is called a "life tenant".
There IS a difference between a hierarchical and a congregational church. The former has a bishop, corporation sole, who is the holder of church property in mortmain (dead hands). The latter is an artificial person, governed by a board, and must register its agent, for proper due notice. Can you guess which one YOU should have?
CORPORATION (Aggregate and sole). A corporation sole is one consisting of one person only, and his successors in some particular station, who are incorporated by law in order to give them some legal capacities and advantages, particularly that of perpetuity, which in their natural persons they could not have had. In this sense, the sovereign in England is a sole corporation, so is a BISHOP ...
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p.341.
Note: in general use, a sole corporation is secular, a corporation sole is ecclesiastical.
BISHOP. A high-ranking Christian cleric, and in some churches regarded as having received the HIGHEST ORDINATION in unbroken succession from the apostles.
- - - American Heritage Dictionary

RIGHT REVEREND - a title of respect for an Anglican or Roman Catholic bishop.
- - - Collins English Dictionary
(Abbreviations: The Rt Revd; The Rt Rev’d; The Rt Rev.)
(The Pope is merely a "Bishop" - and all others are his subordinates, regardless of title, and are inferior to his rank.)

In short, if you can't afford to establish your own domicile upon private property, you can still enjoy most of the benefits of private property within a religious enclave that you have established or joined.
And no American government can make a law that defines what can or cannot be a religion. (Unless you're foolish enough to ask for a special privilege - which does not include tax exemption - since taxation is limited to government privileges!).

So consider defining your fortified village design as a monastery, nunnery, religious retreat, ashram, camp, college, or anything else that fulfills your group goals.
COLLEGE - A body of clerics living together on an endowment.
- - - American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition.

CLERIC - A member of the clergy.
No government dare make a "clerical error" and trespass their endowed rights.
BENEFIT OF CLERGY - a privilege that placed the clergy outside the jurisdiction of secular courts and entitled them to trial in ecclesiastical courts.
In its original sense, the phrase denoted the exemption which was accorded to clergymen from the jurisdiction of the secular courts, or from arrest or attachment on criminal process issuing from those courts in certain particular cases.
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p.158

CIVIL DEATH - The state of a person who, though possessing natural life, has lost all his civil rights, and as to them, is considered dead.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 488.

RELIGIOUS MEN - Such as entered into some monastery or convent... Religious men are civilly dead.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 1456.
Civil death = outside of the taxing powers and permissions of secular government. However, civil death has no effect on natural and personal liberty.
MORTMAIN - A term applied to denote the alienation of lands or tenements to any corporation, sole or aggregate, ecclesiastical or temporal. These purchases having been chiefly made by religious houses, in consequence of which lands became perpetually inherent in one "dead hand", this occasioned the general appellation of "mortmain" to be applied to such alienations. 2 Bl.Comm. 268; Perin v. Carey, 65 U.S. (24 How.) 465, 16 L.Ed. 701.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 1012
Property held by religious orders is tax exempt, thanks to mortmain. Since taxes are limited to government privileges, no religious order is exercising a civil privilege, with its members being civilly dead. Also note that the definition doesn’t mention real estate.

[ozmirage]

RINGER MADNESS?

If you're considering the establishment of a DUAL RING VILLAGE, as a viable goal, and you wish to incorporate as many positive features into the design as possible, one might combine the benefits of an ecclesiastical foundation (religious) and a cash-cow (secular).

How now, cash cow?

Use the unique shape as a movie set, to be rented out. (have plenty of ways to change the facade and decor) And also encourage using Ringers as paid extras. Which also makes it a great tourist attraction.

For re-enactors (i.e. Society for Creative Anachronism, etc). Individual tradesmen and craftsmen might have their storefronts arranged for display to an audience. Local Ringers might also participate, in period costumes.

For dramatists, a Globe theater within an Elizabethan motif dual ring village might be in demand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globe_Theatre
The Globe's actual dimensions are unknown, but its shape and size can be approximated from scholarly inquiry over the last two centuries. The evidence suggests that it was a three-storey, open-air amphitheatre approximately 100 feet (30 m) in diameter that could house up to 3,000 spectators.

Within a 250' radius (500' diameter park), a 100' diameter (approx) theater might fit snugly. And if the height was increased to match the dual ring, even greater capacity is possible.

This theater could also be the Fellowship Hall / Church / Sanctuary.


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c8/83/b2/c883b2f6d2d4710176e2f7e5e343af08.jpg

[ozmirage]

If you are building an enclave in an area known for high heat and bright sunlight, you might consider the benefits of a subterranean network of grottoes and tunnels.

An example of a subterranean garden that exhibits up to a 20 degree reduction in ambient temperature is the Forestiere Underground Garden, in Fresno, California.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forestiere_Gardens

https://www.visitfresnocounty.org/things-to-do/attractions/forestiere-underground-gardens/

A dual ring village that has an underground network of tunnels and grottoes would have many benefits, especially if the central park above is to be reserved for children and greenery.
The tunnels could offer "back alley" access to businesses that have their storage below grade.
A light rail "People mover" and cargo carrier could be located there.

The previously mentioned Shakespearean Globe Theater could be "sunk" 12+ feet below grade, so that the patrons could leave via tunnels, and not directly impact the Ringers above. And the above grade section, (18 feet in height?), could be masked by a stepped ring planter, disguising its appearance. Also, the height differential between the tunnels and the theater roof opening would generate natural ventilation (chimney effect).

A circular / ring tunnel and radiating tunnel "spokes" could cross under the central park, linking grottoes and subterranean gardens, and provide a respite from climate extremes. Of course, if the water table is too high, and excavations are not feasible, one can copy Disney World's trick of raising the "ground level" by one story.


The net result is an enhanced environment that "starves the beast" by not consuming more and more resources.

[All is one]

I understand that. And it's really nice to hear that you're able to enjoy the natural lifestyle path you're on.
I actually think everyone could benefit from a lifestyle closer to nature.

I'm just trying to help according to my own capacities ...


Maybe it has already been mentioned in other posts, but for alternative building and living I've always found domes and earthships really interesting.
One can use many different natural materials for this, like bags filled with earth or bamboo etc.

Earthship: Video Bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/fZPhouLOTguS/
Geodesic domes: https://voolas.com/how-build-diy-geodesic-dome-greenhouses/

Anyway wishing you good luck and much joy with all the projects you want to try out there. :heart:

[Tiyaira]

Today, a Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Malawi and Liberland through a special arm of the Liberland Aid Foundation. This Memorandum signifies the recognition of our country as a valid and worthy diplomatic and economic partner for the African State.

~~~

Beside this news, also Colombia recognize officially the Liberland passport, Liberland are also in advanced talking with Pakistan and The Philipines. This is a good example of how a society can build international recognition without territory. These are necessary stepping stones to securing freedom for the people of Liberland. Thanks for the FYI palehorse!

[ozmirage]

RFOG (soundbite)
_ _ I prefer a republican form of government, where all men are created equal - none higher - and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass. Absent consent, such governments are limited to adjudicating disputes, prosecuting criminals, and defending against all enemies, foreign or domestic.
_ _ Of course, if you consent to be governed - shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
(He who consents cannot object!)
_ _ However, if FRAUD was used to get that consent, you can denounce the fraud, vitiate all compacts, agreements, applications, etc, and cease being their subject. Of course, you have to cease exercising ALL related privileges. For if you exercise any government privilege, it is evidence of CONSENT.
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FYI : no endowed right can be subject to taxation, therefore all taxes are limited to government privileges, which are all voluntary. (Which is why there is no reason to argue "no taxation without representation." If you volunteered, no harm - no foul.)
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KNOW YOUR BEAST BEFORE STARVING IT

The current regime, the Peoples Democratic Socialist Republic of America (1933), is operating under "Emergency rules" that bypass the USCON, and have effectively eradicated private property ownership via FICA / socialist insecurity, and elimination of lawful money from circulation. (Art 1, Sec 10 limits the states to gold and silver coin as tender in payment of debt. Since 1933, no one has "paid debt" by law. And that makes everyone "bankrupt" and under the authority of the federal government regarding bankruptcy. Using worthless notes (FRNs) as "legal tender" is a revenue taxable privilege, hence the proliferation of taxes on practically all retail transactions, etc., etc.)
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_ _ As most have surmised, the PDSRA is setting up the collapse of the nation, so that there are "legal" grounds to SCRAP the organic documents and agreements that created the governments in these united States of America. They are hampered and limited by the obligation to guarantee a REPUBLICAN FORM to the States (actually, the sovereign people within those States). They desperately need to eradicate that obligation - preferably by widespread ACCLAIM by the muggles who know nothing of their lost endowment.
_ _ They need to replace that pesky "sovereign without subject" status and abolish absolute ownership of private property (to comply with the Communist manifesto, etc).
_ _ They need to replace Creator endowed rights with "Human Rights" (as spelled out in the UN's declaration)
_ _Universal Declaration of Human Rights only recognizes GOVERNMENT ENFORCED RIGHTS and imposes SOCIALISM. And it does not recognize Creator endowed rights, or that individuals are sovereign over government. People can only be subject citizens of their sovereign governments.
_ _ That is anathema to the republican form of government, wherein all men are born equal (none higher) and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - and do nothing more without consent of the governed.

THEIR GOAL
_ _ The goal is to scrap all American history and law, and replace it with the PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF AMERICA compatible version. And you will love it, or else. Plus, you’ll get ‘free checking’ in your mandatory personal account with the Peoples Bank of Amerika.
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UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

DEATHTRAPS to beware:
Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS GRANTED HIM BY THE CONSTITUTION OR BY LAW.(No Creator endowed rights to life, liberty, absolute ownership, inherent powers, etc, etc)


Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, IN THE DETERMINATION OF HIS RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS and of any criminal charge against him.
(Only subjects have obligations)


Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and RESIDENCE within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
(No domicile - no permanent, legal home!)


Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the RIGHT TO SOCIAL SECURITY and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
(SOCIALISM uber alles ! Compulsory charity and confiscation of surplus.)

Article 25.
(1) EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO A STANDARD OF LIVING adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the RIGHT TO SECURITY in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
(Guess who will be compelled to supply that "right" by involuntary servitude?)
There many more "gotchas" and "trap doors" in the declaration, but you'll have to read it for yourself.


COLLAPSE INEVITABLE

_ _ PESSIMISTIC as it may seem, collapse is inevitable. It is the goal of the PDSRA. And it will also occur if sufficient number of Americans WITHDRAW CONSENT, and return to their promised REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

_ _ Knowing that a collapse IS COMING should encourage people to PLAN for that situation. With a collapse of the institutions of our civilization, comes the proliferation of the uncivilized predators, plunderers, and poltroons, who want to support THEIR lives with YOUR property and labor.

_ _ One remedy is to find someplace to HIDE for the "Duration". Solo survival may be sufficient. But afterwards? I doubt it. One misstep and you're going to experience a slow and painful death. (Remember the scene from Jeremiah Johnson, where Hatchet Jack is found frozen, after dying from wounds inflicted by a bear. A broken leg = death, when you're alone.)

_ _ IMHO, the optimal remedy is to form cooperatives, establish fortified villages, and be prepared for those proverbial hordes of "Mutant Zombie Biker Gangs".

SIMPLE RULES

Can you think of any "benevolent" religion, philosophy or political ideology that is categorically opposed to :
“What’s yours is yours. What’s mine is mine. Don’t trespass!”

OBJECTIONS
to a cooperative village based on autonomy, resilience, and disaster resistance.
_ _ Humans are not trustworthy
. . . . . If this is a condemnation of predators who follow the law of the jungle, it does not apply to the harmless people who follow the law of love. Perhaps that should be stressed by the villagers and charter subscribers. Is banishment and forfeiture for those who violate the person, liberty or property of another sufficient (beyond remedies already in the law)?
_ _ Cost
. . . . . Bulk purchases of land and materials will be cheaper than individual purchases. However, finding a consensus on what to purchase may be a challenge. Perhaps that duty should be delegated to one who has experience in civil engineering, architecture, or construction.
_ _ Longevity
. . . . . Cooperative communities have a long history of being infiltrated by parasites and predators who take advantage of the good hearted idealists who establish alternative communities.
Perhaps it should be spelled out in the charter, which conditions and behavior the cooperative will NOT tolerate. Remember, to a predator following the law of the jungle, he's "law abiding" and "good". Don't presume to appeal to his 'better nature'. In the predator's mind, you're a sap or muggle to "clip."
And contrary to so-called Christian teaching to be passive in the face of evil, it's not moral to toss others to the wolf pack. Jesus was not tolerant of evil, when he whipped the usurers out of the temple. The key point is not to use evil to defeat evil, for that only makes evil the victor. But tolerance of predators is unmerciful to their next victim.

MORALITY - A system or collection of ideas of right and wrong conduct.

MORALITY SIMPLIFIED
Morality is simple - it is based on survival - dead things have no morality - and it depends on which law you follow.
There are two sets of laws:
• 1. Law of love, and
• 2. Law of the jungle.

Under the law of love, harmless activity in support of one's "right to life" is moral / good. Harmful action is "bad". Self sacrifice is the “highest good.”

Under the law of the jungle, predators are "good", and prey are "good to eat". Prey who fight back are "bad". Sacrificing others for one’s own gain is the rule, not the exception.

When you oppose evil, is it to defend or to conquer?
Which law will you follow : love or the jungle?
Defending against predators is never a violation of the law of love, because the alternative is to surrender to evil, and unmerciful to their next victim.

[ozmirage]

PREDATOR IDENTIFICATION GUIDE
(These classifications are for convenience. They are not mutually exclusive, either. Strange alliances may form for strategic advantage. The only thing they do share is disrespect for the person, property and liberty of the individual.)
...
❏ USURERS - those who loan money or extend credit, and charge a fee, denominated in money (or current money tokens). In a finite money token system, usury is mathematically impossible to repay. A portion of debtors will default, simply because there never is enough money to repay all outstanding principal and interest.

❏ SLAVERS - those who dispossess or compel others to work for the benefit of another. Modern implementation is collectivism, using government to compel subjects to work for the benefit of another, which is considered benevolent, part-time enslavement. (see: Marxism, Socialism, Communism).

❏ GAMBLERS - those who use games of chance, a knowledge of probability, and other scams to entice people to surrender their goods and services, or money tokens, without equitable trade. Modern insurance underwriting is a hybrid of gambling and usury. Gambling is often excused as “entertainment” - an insult to intelligence.

❏ DEMOCRAZIES - those who mask their predatory acts by the excuse that they are obeying the “will of the people,” as if a majority makes evil into good, and injustice into justice.

❏ AGENTS OF INJUSTICE - those who use their talent for oratory, misdirection, debate, and persuasion to escape or reduce punishment for themselves, or their clients, who pay them. They encourage irresponsibility and chaos, as long as they prosper. (Assuming that justice means giving every man his due.)

❏ PIRATES AND MARAUDERS - those who prey upon others, meeting their own needs, by taking from others, under threat, duress or coercion, often accompanied by physical harm or murder. A modern variation is a modified form of biological enslavement, via addiction. Their prey, once addicted, will engage in any behavior that will satisfy their supplier’s whim, lest they be deprived and suffer painful withdrawal.

❏ ZEALOTS - those who rely on scriptures or ideology to excuse predation, conquest, intolerance, war, inflicting pain and suffering, as part of their struggle to achieve world wide dominance. They often are contradictory, and form alliances with the evil they denounce. They have no respect for the person or property of those they deem unbelievers.

❏ PARASITES - those who ally themselves with any of the aforementioned in order to get a skim of the booty stolen or protection for their collaboration.
...
The unpleasant truth is that we all have lived within a predatory culture, undergoing incremental transformation into something even worse. Can we wake up in time?
That is the question !


OMITTED: [] VANDALS - those who mindlessly destroy that which is not their own property. Can be found in any of the aforementioned groups.

[ozmirage]

THERE ARE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!

Thomas Paine elaborated on natural rights in his work “Rights of Man” (1791), emphasizing that rights cannot be granted by any charter because this would legally imply they can also be revoked and under such circumstances they would be reduced to privileges:
“. . . It is a perversion of terms to say that a charter gives rights. It operates by a contrary effect — that of taking rights away. Rights are inherently in all the inhabitants; but charters, by annulling those rights, in the majority, leave the right, by exclusion, in the hands of a few. ... They...consequently are instruments of injustice.”
“ The fact therefore must be that the individuals themselves, each in his own personal and sovereign right, entered into a compact with each other to produce a government: and this is the only mode in which governments have a right to arise, and the only principle on which they have a right to exist.”
- - - Thomas Paine
In other words, in America’s case, Americans have creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure, not legislate, tax, regulate, infringe, nor restrain. Only by consent of the governed, may government step beyond securing endowed rights (adjudicating disputes, prosecuting criminals, and defending against all enemies, foreign or domestic). And that consent waives / surrenders endowed rights, rendering one a subject of the government.

That is also why the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights is an ABOMINATION.
Anything that a charter grants is a privilege, not an endowed right.

[palehorse]

..
It is stipulated that there are very FEW Americans who have (a) withdrawn consent -and- (b) established a domicile upon private property absolutely owned. And with all the eCONomic restrictions and taxes, it is doubly difficult to do it on one's own.


that would be very interesting to know more about of the path they took in order to get it done successfully. I am convinced it is difficult, I have no intention to go down that road, at least not on my own.


ONE POSSIBLE REMEDY...
A group of people who share a common goal might pool their resources, and acquire property to establish their own dominion... as a religious retreat.

As everyone knows, land held in mortmain (dead hands) is not subject to ad valorem taxes. And if the lands and buildings are held by the bishop (corporation sole), they comply with the definition of "private property" held by an individual.
But how does that help the individuals who are not holders of "private property"?

If all "church members" have a life estate in the village, they have a permanent, legal home.
LIFE ESTATE - In common law and statutory law, a life estate (or life tenancy) is the ownership of immovable property for the duration of a person's life. In legal terms, it is an estate in real property that ends at death when ownership of the property may revert to the original owner, or it may pass to another person. The owner of a life estate is called a "life tenant".


Something similar to usufruct clauses, like the ones found in title deeds ?


In short, if you can't afford to establish your own domicile upon private property, you can still enjoy most of the benefits of private property within a religious enclave that you have established or joined.
And no American government can make a law that defines what can or cannot be a religion. (Unless you're foolish enough to ask for a special privilege - which does not include tax exemption - since taxation is limited to government privileges!).


I guess not all countries are like America in terms of law, I would have to investigate how they set up religious institutions here where I am living. I perceived the time I am here quite a few Christian institutions (like the evangelic ones) settle down here, would be interesting to know how they are dealing with the ownership of the land. As far as I know foreign are not allowed to own anything in Thailand in terms of land, exception for corporations, but it is very limited the size of the land under this exception.

Maybe someone in the forum know anything in more details regarding what Ozmirage wrote?


So consider defining your fortified village design as a monastery, nunnery, religious retreat, ashram, camp, college, or anything else that fulfills your group goals.[INDENT]COLLEGE - A body of clerics living together on an endowment.
- - - American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition.


I would go for religious retreat


CLERIC - A member of the clergy.
No government dare make a "clerical error" and trespass their endowed rights.


BENEFIT OF CLERGY - a privilege that placed the clergy outside the jurisdiction of secular courts and entitled them to trial in ecclesiastical courts.
In its original sense, the phrase denoted the exemption which was accorded to clergymen from the jurisdiction of the secular courts, or from arrest or attachment on criminal process issuing from those courts in certain particular cases.
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p.158

CIVIL DEATH - The state of a person who, though possessing natural life, has lost all his civil rights, and as to them, is considered dead.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 488.


again, I would need to know more about it in this specific country. As far as I can see, government and religion walks together here.



RELIGIOUS MEN - Such as entered into some monastery or convent... Religious men are civilly dead.


It makes sense in theory, but in practice, does it? I know an ex-monk from UK, he had a religious VISA issued right after ordained as a monk. He could not get rid of his civil rights, he also had to deal with "touching" money, when accepting the 10 precepts as a new "samanera" refraining from accepting gold and silver (money), however he had to deal with VISA issues and it cost money, after a few years in the monastery one can apply for a permanent residency under special rule in this case, but still a citizen, I don't know a single case that did otherwise. Of course it is just a case I knew, I myself took the time to look all the details to be ordained as a monk back in 2007. Ordained Monk remain as citizen.


- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 1456.
Civil death = outside of the taxing powers and permissions of secular government. However, civil death has no effect on natural and personal liberty.
MORTMAIN - A term applied to denote the alienation of lands or tenements to any corporation, sole or aggregate, ecclesiastical or temporal. These purchases having been chiefly made by religious houses, in consequence of which lands became perpetually inherent in one "dead hand", this occasioned the general appellation of "mortmain" to be applied to such alienations. 2 Bl.Comm. 268; Perin v. Carey, 65 U.S. (24 How.) 465, 16 L.Ed. 701.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 1012
Property held by religious orders is tax exempt, thanks to mortmain. Since taxes are limited to government privileges, no religious order is exercising a civil privilege, with its members being civilly dead. Also note that the definition doesn’t mention real estate.


I found some interesting article regarding MORTMAIN properties.

"Thailand does not formally recognize the existing educational structures, policies and community-based service provision in the South, in ethnic areas
nor provide universal and free basic education to all children born in Thailand – making it difficult to ensure human rights education and training to all children
and citizen on an equal basis. For instance, in the South, Ponoh Islamic school and Tadika Islamic education center are perceived as haven for terrorists, such as the
closing of Yehad Wittaya School, the court seizing Wakaf mortmain property, and the arrest of Tadika teachers."

source [page 85]: https://www.upr-info.org/sites/default/files/documents/2017-09/upr_advocacy_factsheets_-_thailand2016-en.pdf

It just prove it is possible to do.

Many thanks for this special contribution.

[ozmirage]

..
It is stipulated that there are very FEW Americans who have (a) withdrawn consent -and- (b) established a domicile upon private property absolutely owned. And with all the eCONomic restrictions and taxes, it is doubly difficult to do it on one's own.


that would be very interesting to know more about of the path they took in order to get it done successfully. I am convinced it is difficult, I have no intention to go down that road, at least not on my own.
Generally speaking, they withdrew consent from (a) citizenship, (b) socialism (FICA), and ( c ) usury (interest bearing bank accounts), and ceased exercising all privileges derived.

ONE POSSIBLE REMEDY...
A group of people who share a common goal might pool their resources, and acquire property to establish their own dominion... as a religious retreat.

As everyone knows, land held in mortmain (dead hands) is not subject to ad valorem taxes. And if the lands and buildings are held by the bishop (corporation sole), they comply with the definition of "private property" held by an individual.
But how does that help the individuals who are not holders of "private property"?

If all "church members" have a life estate in the village, they have a permanent, legal home.
LIFE ESTATE - In common law and statutory law, a life estate (or life tenancy) is the ownership of immovable property for the duration of a person's life. In legal terms, it is an estate in real property that ends at death when ownership of the property may revert to the original owner, or it may pass to another person. The owner of a life estate is called a "life tenant".


Something similar to usufruct clauses, like the ones found in title deeds ?
Title deeds refer back to realty. Bills of sale refer to private property, absolutely owned by an individual. A member of a religious group would have the right to use group property as well as exclusive use of a domicile within the community.


In short, if you can't afford to establish your own domicile upon private property, you can still enjoy most of the benefits of private property within a religious enclave that you have established or joined.
And no American government can make a law that defines what can or cannot be a religion. (Unless you're foolish enough to ask for a special privilege - which does not include tax exemption - since taxation is limited to government privileges!).


I guess not all countries are like America in terms of law, I would have to investigate how they set up religious institutions here where I am living. I perceived the time I am here quite a few Christian institutions (like the evangelic ones) settle down here, would be interesting to know how they are dealing with the ownership of the land. As far as I know foreign are not allowed to own anything in Thailand in terms of land, exception for corporations, but it is very limited the size of the land under this exception.

Maybe someone in the forum know anything in more details regarding what Ozmirage wrote?
I suspect that no other sovereign government recognizes absolute ownership of land by individuals. That would be a threat to their sovereignty.


So consider defining your fortified village design as a monastery, nunnery, religious retreat, ashram, camp, college, or anything else that fulfills your group goals.COLLEGE - A body of clerics living together on an endowment.
- - - American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition.


I would go for religious retreat
Well fortified, hopefully.


CLERIC - A member of the clergy.
No government dare make a "clerical error" and trespass their endowed rights.
BENEFIT OF CLERGY - a privilege that placed the clergy outside the jurisdiction of secular courts and entitled them to trial in ecclesiastical courts.
In its original sense, the phrase denoted the exemption which was accorded to clergymen from the jurisdiction of the secular courts, or from arrest or attachment on criminal process issuing from those courts in certain particular cases.
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p.158

CIVIL DEATH - The state of a person who, though possessing natural life, has lost all his civil rights, and as to them, is considered dead.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 488.


again, I would need to know more about it in this specific country. As far as I can see, government and religion walks together here.
Very common across the world. However, U S Congress is barred from making any law respecting the establishment of religion. In other words, public funds cannot be used to support any religious institution. Even chapels on military installations are non-denomenational and can be used by others (barring scheduling conflicts).



RELIGIOUS MEN - Such as entered into some monastery or convent... Religious men are civilly dead.


It makes sense in theory, but in practice, does it? I know an ex-monk from UK, he had a religious VISA issued right after ordained as a monk. He could not get rid of his civil rights, he also had to deal with "touching" money, when accepting the 10 precepts as a new "samanera" refraining from accepting gold and silver (money), however he had to deal with VISA issues and it cost money, after a few years in the monastery one can apply for a permanent residency under special rule in this case, but still a citizen, I don't know a single case that did otherwise. Of course it is just a case I knew, I myself took the time to look all the details to be ordained as a monk back in 2007. Ordained Monk remain as citizen.
[I]Ephesians 2:19 (KJV) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God.
Some use this to argue that "religious men" are citizens of the household of God, and not of the secular world.



- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 1456.
Civil death = outside of the taxing powers and permissions of secular government. However, civil death has no effect on natural and personal liberty.
MORTMAIN - A term applied to denote the alienation of lands or tenements to any corporation, sole or aggregate, ecclesiastical or temporal. These purchases having been chiefly made by religious houses, in consequence of which lands became perpetually inherent in one "dead hand", this occasioned the general appellation of "mortmain" to be applied to such alienations. 2 Bl.Comm. 268; Perin v. Carey, 65 U.S. (24 How.) 465, 16 L.Ed. 701.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 1012
Property held by religious orders is tax exempt, thanks to mortmain. Since taxes are limited to government privileges, no religious order is exercising a civil privilege, with its members being civilly dead. Also note that the definition doesn’t mention real estate.


I found some interesting article regarding MORTMAIN properties.

"Thailand does not formally recognize the existing educational structures, policies and community-based service provision in the South, in ethnic areas
nor provide universal and free basic education to all children born in Thailand – making it difficult to ensure human rights education and training to all children
and citizen on an equal basis. For instance, in the South, Ponoh Islamic school and Tadika Islamic education center are perceived as haven for terrorists, such as the
closing of Yehad Wittaya School, the court seizing Wakaf mortmain property, and the arrest of Tadika teachers."

source [page 85]: https://www.upr-info.org/sites/default/files/documents/2017-09/upr_advocacy_factsheets_-_thailand2016-en.pdf

It just prove it is possible to do.

Many thanks for this special contribution.
All legal references are with respect to American law and are not universally applicable, especially since US Law is derived, in part, from English Common law, and not Civil law, as in most countries.
COMMON LAW -"The system of jurisprudence, which originated in England and was later applied in the United States, which is based on judicial precedent rather than legislative enactments; it is contrasted with civil law (the descendant of Roman Law prevalent in other western [European] countries). ... generally derived from principles rather than rules; it does not consist of absolute, fixed, and inflexible rules, but rather the broad and comprehensible principles based on justice, reason and common sense."
- - - Ballantine’s Law dictionary, p.37

In other words, the CIVIL LAW is based on absolute, fixed and inflexible rules.
Whereas America's law is riddled with exceptions, exclusions, and trapdoors.

To illustrate:
18 USC Sec. 922 (q)(2)
(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
If YOUR body is private property (unattached to school grounds) carrying a firearm, you are not in violation of this law. Your RIGHT to bear arms is not infringed. But most are persuaded that there is "a law" that bans guns on or near "school grounds."


INTERNATIONAL PRIVATE PROPERTY
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AMERICA VERSUS THE WORLD
...
Property rights
...
The world’s view of private property :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property
“....Private property is a legal designation of the ownership of property by non-governmental legal entities. Private property is distinguishable from public property, which is owned by a state entity; and collective property, which is owned by a group of non-governmental entities.”
A non-government legal entity can own “private property,” as distinguished from government ownership of “public property.”

America’s view of private property:
"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217.

"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106
NOTE: Only in American law is private property absolutely owned. Estate ("real estate") is held with qualified ownership - shared, limited or deferred - and subject to ad valorem taxation.
In other nations, "private property" only refers to property not owned by government.
And is comparable with qualified ownership of estate.

[norman]

Re: Starving the Beast, Solutions . . . . .



Nineteen U.S. states launch investigations into BlackRock and Vanguard for embracing climate tyranny
12/14/2022 / By Ethan Huff


https://i0.wp.com/expose-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/image-19.png?resize=768%2C383&ssl=1


Nefarious efforts by two of the world’s largest asset managers to force America into “green energy” and the overarching ESG (environmental, social and governance) scheme face opposition (https://expose-news.com/2022/12/10/blackrock-and-vanguard-come-under-fire/) from 19 states and counting that are launching investigations into their operations.

BlackRock and Vanguard, which together control a sizable bulk of the world’s wealth, are targets of House Republicans who want to know: are either of them, or both, violating any antitrust laws with their ESG push? (Related: BlackRock and Vanguard own the media and Big Pharma (https://naturalnews.com/2021-06-18-blackrock-vanguard-own-big-pharma-media.html).)

Vanguard recently bowed out of the so-called Net Zero Asset Managers (NZAM) initiative, which is a step in the right direction. However, both it and BlackRock are still heavily invested in climate change initiatives that threaten the freedom of everyday Americans to live their lives without constant climate oppression.

House Republicans recently sent a letter to the executives of the Steering Committee for Climate Action 100+ demanding all documents pertaining to NZAM’s network of influence. The following states have also taken their own individual action:

• Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich back in August led a coalition of 19 states to warn BlackRock about potential antitrust violations associated with its push for mass adoption of ESG standards.

• Florida pulled $2 billion in an anti-ESG divestment from BlackRock along with an announcement from the state’s CFO that the plan is to fully divest from BlackRock’s management in early 2023.

• Texas recently subpoenaed BlackRock for documents pertaining to the ESG agenda because it is believed that the company is “using Texans’ money to force a narrow political agenda.”

• Louisiana did much the same as Florida by pulling $794 million from BlackRock over the ESG scandal.

• Missouri recently “sold all public equities managed by BlackRock, Inc., pulling approximately $500 million in pension funds from the investment manager” over the ESG agenda.

• Utah likewise pulled $100 million in funds from BlackRock.

• West Virginia and Arkansas also both pulled funds from BlackRock for similar reasons.

If your money is in an NZAM-linked fund and you don’t support climate extremism, you might want to make a change

As of this writing, Vanguard is no longer part of NZAM but BlackRock still is, hence all these moves by Republican-led states to punish the world’s largest asset manager. Other major financial institutions that are part of NZAM include Fidelity Investments, State Street Global Advisors, Morgan Stanley, and JPMorgan Chase.

The following are also signatories of NZAM:

• Brookfield Asset Management

• Coutts & Co.

• Rockefeller Asset Management

• Rothschild & Co Asset Management Europe

• Royal London Asset Management

The stated goal of NZAM is to move portfolio companies closer to eliminating all “net carbon emissions” by the year 2050 or sooner. Vanguard says its decision to withdraw from this agenda hinges upon its desire to “provide the clarity our investors desire about the role of index funds and about how we think about material risks, including climate-related risks.”

The move also came after multiple attorneys general filed motions with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to block Vanguard from purchasing shares in publicly traded utility companies due to concerns that its climate agenda might further increase energy prices while decreasing grid reliability.

“Vanguard realized their entire business model could be at stake if they didn’t stop coordinating with other members to drive up energy costs,” announced Consumers’ Research Executive Director Will Hild, whose organization also filed a similar motion with the same agency.

“We’ve struck a serious blow to the anti-consumer ESG agenda and we are going to keep fighting until these asset managers and banks get back to fulfilling their fiduciary duties and stop playing politics with other people’s money.”

[Iloveyou]

Today, a Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Malawi and Liberland through a special arm of the Liberland Aid Foundation. This Memorandum signifies the recognition of our country as a valid and worthy diplomatic and economic partner for the African State.

~~~

Beside this news, also Colombia recognize officially the Liberland passport, Liberland are also in advanced talking with Pakistan and The Philipines. This is a good example of how a society can build international recognition without territory. These are necessary stepping stones to securing freedom for the people of Liberland. Thanks for the FYI palehorse!



As ‚Liberland‘ for example has been mentioned several times, I took a look at their website out of curiosity. Sounds promising at first glance. Then I went to the biographies of people who are representatives of Liberland in many states around the world. There it started getting a bit nightmarish. Take a close look, it‘s interesting. Tells you a lot. Not sure if I really want to know the exact purpose and agendas of such socalled ‚micronations‘.

Just a few examples.
Representative office of Liberland in
Austria: Anna Riedl https://www.weforum.org/people/anna-riedl
Germany: Kolja Spöri https://germany.liberland.org/en/
Russia: Andrey Voronkov https://voronkov.io/en/about
UK:Tariq Abbasi https://uk.liberland.org/en/

[palehorse]

Today, a Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Malawi and Liberland through a special arm of the Liberland Aid Foundation. This Memorandum signifies the recognition of our country as a valid and worthy diplomatic and economic partner for the African State.

~~~

Beside this news, also Colombia recognize officially the Liberland passport, Liberland are also in advanced talking with Pakistan and The Philipines. This is a good example of how a society can build international recognition without territory. These are necessary stepping stones to securing freedom for the people of Liberland. Thanks for the FYI palehorse!



As ‚Liberland‘ for example has been mentioned several times, I took a look at their website out of curiosity. Sounds promising at first glance. Then I went to the biographies of people who are representatives of Liberland in many states around the world. There it started getting a bit nightmarish. Take a close look, it‘s interesting. Tells you a lot. Not sure if I really want to know the exact purpose and agendas of such socalled ‚micronations‘.

Just a few examples.
Representative office of Liberland in
Austria: Anna Riedl https://www.weforum.org/people/anna-riedl
Germany: Kolja Spöri https://germany.liberland.org/en/
Russia: Andrey Voronkov https://voronkov.io/en/about
UK:Tariq Abbasi https://uk.liberland.org/en/


Thanks for taking the time to check this information, I didn't and I know I should before posting it.
I also wrote in my previous post

"I remember when they start not so long ago, it is unbelievable how fast they are moving (Note: I am not sure who is behind the entire thing)."
quoting myself

That explains why they are moving soooooo fast.

Thanks again.

[Iloveyou]

[QUOTE=Iloveyou;1533294][QUOTE=Tiyaira;1532275][QUOTE=palehorse;1532127]
. . . check this information, I didn't and I know I should before posting it.
I also wrote in my previous post

"I remember when they start not so long ago, it is unbelievable how fast they are moving (Note: I am not sure who is behind the entire thing)."
quoting myself


No criticism intended. Glad you didn‘t. So we can see another example of how they (globalists, transhumanists) confuse and infiltrate everything. Every word, every idea, every tiny aspect of politics/social life is being used, turned upside down and perverted. Would be interesting to look into all the other ‚micronations‘. Thank YOU for so many posts full of empowerment and inspiration.

[All is one]

In order to starve the beast:

What do you guys think of the possibility to create an ANTI GLOBALIST ALLIANCE for all those who want to go a different direction than global dictatorship and to

UNITE ourselves in an ANTI GLOBALIST MANIFESTO refuting point by point the errors and deviations of the dystopian technocratic future the globalist try to create and by summing up all the alternatives.

Who would be willing to work on such an alliance and manifesto?

Idea comes from the video of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano

https://www.bitchute.com/video/rU65ebKwqpFA/


! P.S.: Someone just told me that alliances, treaties, and other agreements might override sovereignty.

When there are enough people interested in coming together
(to create a group that represents and defends the points of view of all the people that don't want to end up in a dystopian technocracy)
it's probably better to look at all the legal details and what format best to use to create such group ...

[palehorse]

[QUOTE=Iloveyou;1533294][QUOTE=Tiyaira;1532275][QUOTE=palehorse;1532127]
. . . check this information, I didn't and I know I should before posting it.
I also wrote in my previous post

"I remember when they start not so long ago, it is unbelievable how fast they are moving (Note: I am not sure who is behind the entire thing)."
quoting myself


No criticism intended. Glad you didn‘t. So we can see another example of how they (globalists, transhumanists) confuse and infiltrate everything. Every word, every idea, every tiny aspect of politics/social life is being used, turned upside down and perverted. Would be interesting to look into all the other ‚micronations‘. Thank YOU for so many posts full of empowerment and inspiration.


I am glad too you pointed that out :) and I totally agree it would be interesting to know how many of these so called libertarian micronations (or at least the largest ones) has the help of the globalist invisible hands.

Here is a full list of them
https://micronations.wiki/wiki/List_of_micronations

Interesting, Liberland is not listed on this wiki.

I am registered to receive the newsletter of "The Seasteading institute", they are very controversial, if I am not wrong in the very beginning of their operation they got in trouble with the Thai government and Thai Navy, which kicked their butts out of Thailand (it was a couple, one Thai national and one foreign), 2 persons still wanted here with arresting warrants. But again I don't know much who is behind the project, for me the point of following their developments is to learn about the tech they are using, and get inspired with new ideas, beside that I don't usually dig much in who is behind the projects, but it is important to know.

https://www.seasteading.org/
(founded by Patri Friedman (Poker player dude) - Grandson of Nobel prize winning economist Milton Friedman)

"Patri and Brit are self described transhumanists and rationalists, they have arranged to be cryonically preserved after their legal death." from Wikipedia

I think that tells a lot about his personality.


@Iloveyou I guess you are right, most of these "cool" developments with a lot of marketing around are backed if not entirely, partially by globalists scambags.

We are better off on our own, doing it small without much noise, keep tight and clean is better.

[palehorse]

In order to starve the beast:

What do you guys think of the possibility to create an ANTI GLOBALIST ALLIANCE for all those who want to go a different direction than global dictatorship and to

UNITE ourselves in an ANTI GLOBALIST MANIFESTO refuting point by point the errors and deviations of the dystopian technocratic future the globalist try to create and by summing up all the alternatives.

Who would be willing to work on such an alliance and manifesto?

Idea comes from the video of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano

https://www.bitchute.com/video/rU65ebKwqpFA/


Hi All is one,

I watched the video, it is nicely packed with essential information of what is going on, a good and short one.

I think it is totally possible to create a manifesto as part of the movement, but what would be even better, would be to create some sort of open public blueprint for how to setup/establish communities (I know one, but as usual it is paid content), even if that community counts to 1 at the very start.

This is what I am trying to get my head around for quite a while, that's why I looking into learning about all sort of natural building structures (it has to be made with materials readily available in nature, taking into consideration the fall out of system which is inevitable at this point), as much as possible, and then wrap it up and try to create this blueprint sort of thing for ourselves and for the masses (whoever may be interested into it), but I realized I can't do that alone.

Everything I found today is paid content, the free content does not cover details, just give a broad idea, but that we already got. :)

I asked in a few posts above for @ozmirage about a blueprint of the ring village and he shared very insightful information, that's what I am talking about.

I will reviews everything I got here and made a new post soon, listing all possible structures that would make more sense to try out in a fall out situation, we can't rely much in industry components for that or even electronics.

A basic example: imagine all those who are going solar and suddenly with the fall out of industry, how would be possible to maintain such a thing in the long term? It is just not possible, unless someone stock in all parts, but batteries if not used for a very long time, it goes bad. In this case I would rely in simple things like burning fossil fuel for heating/cooking/etc.. rocket stoves are great it can even be used for heat water for shower, there is hundreds solutions without the use of modern technologies, low tech (read skills) is the tongue we need to be fluent.

But please let me know what you have in mind, everything is welcome, we are all together in PA, and we can analyze each situation and arrive at a good consensus.

I am positive about that. :)

[prc]

In my humble opinion, the best option for us would be to learn and live like native Indians. Our modern slavery started when our grandfathers and grandmothers decided to move out of their farms to live in the cities.

[palehorse]

In my humble opinion, the best option for us would be to learn and live like native Indians. Our modern slavery started when our grandfathers and grandmothers decided to move out of their farms to live in the cities.


You are correct, unfortunately they were tricked like almost everybody else. But we still have time and skills to get back to that point.

A while ago, I want to make charcoal, and I figured out that I didn't know how to do that, using basic logic I just imagined: "if I burn the wood in a bonfire. then it will become ashes." I added the wood into a barrel and closed it, placed the barrel in the bonfire and burned it for hours, the result was fresh beautiful lumps of coal.

Most of the simple things we are able to figure out "on-the-fly", we don't need an App or anything else for that, we just have to trust ourselves and if necessary goes into trial and error until figure out properly.. that's the funny part of it all. :)

[palehorse]

EARTHSHIP "BLUEPRINT"

Hi folks, I found this document after digging a bit more into natural building and natural farming, I went through and found it very interesting the approach of having a small garden inside the house. The documents seems to be pretty much detailed enough to guide one into building it themselves.

For what it worth, here are the files, it may be useful to someone hopefully.


Earthship Vol.1 - How to build your own by Michael Reynolds

https://i.imgur.com/VhRARCV.jpg

https://pdfhost.io/v/b8uyRo84H_foo
source: https://pdfhost.io/v/b8uyRo84H_foo (just in case if it is not embedded properly)


Earthship Vol.2 - Systems and components by Michael Reynolds

https://i.imgur.com/LUjuKx1.jpg

https://pdfhost.io/v/3P0BsAbS._EarthshipVol2Systemsandcomponents
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Earthship Vol.3 - Evolution beyond economics by Michael Reynolds

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https://pdfhost.io/v/otq0KwKpi_Earthship_Vol2_Evolution_beyond_economics
source: https://pdfhost.io/v/otq0KwKpi_Earthship_Vol2_Evolution_beyond_economics

[palehorse]

EARTHBAG "BLUEPRINT"


Here is the introduction video of the "One Community Global" project.
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They offer open source blueprints for earthbags houses/villages and a lot of interesting things, check this out for more
https://www.onecommunityglobal.org


Earthbag Village Building Plans
This page is where they are sharing all the files, taking into consideration that this project is big, and the budget they set is high, but since they are sharing individual files, it is possible to get the building plans for a single earthbag unit (sizes vary from 14 to 18 sq. m).

(This page is a work in progress, check it often or subscribe to their news, to receive project development updates)
https://www.onecommunityglobal.org/earthbag-village-building-plans/#downloads

https://www.onecommunityglobal.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Earthbag-Village-Complete-1024x484.jpg


The Cost

On this page they provide the total cost to build a single earthbag dome (18.5 sq. m), and of course it will vary quite significantly in different countries. Using cob mixture instead of cement, would cut down the costs a bit, trying to build with local available or recycled material, can cut down the cost even more.
https://www.onecommunityglobal.org/earthbag-village-materials-costs/#one-dome


They also cover other approaches in designs, like:

- Cob village (also provide single units blueprint)
Large blocks
- straw bale village
- earth block village
- shipping container village
- recycled materials village
- tree house village (avatar?)


They offer a membership in this community, then anyone can join, but those who are not interested in joining, they offer all the blueprints at no cost at all, as an open source project, that is the only reason I am sharing it.

~~update~~
On this page, there is a bunch more of earthbag plans
https://www.earthbagbuilding.com/plans/plans.htm

[Arcturian108]

We must say "no" to the digital ID, as it truly will be a prison system as shown in this short video:

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/a-digital-prison-is-being-built-around-you-right-now/

[palehorse]

Today, a Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Malawi and Liberland through a special arm of the Liberland Aid Foundation. This Memorandum signifies the recognition of our country as a valid and worthy diplomatic and economic partner for the African State.

~~~

Beside this news, also Colombia recognize officially the Liberland passport, Liberland are also in advanced talking with Pakistan and The Philipines. This is a good example of how a society can build international recognition without territory. These are necessary stepping stones to securing freedom for the people of Liberland. Thanks for the FYI palehorse!



As ‚Liberland‘ for example has been mentioned several times, I took a look at their website out of curiosity. Sounds promising at first glance. Then I went to the biographies of people who are representatives of Liberland in many states around the world. There it started getting a bit nightmarish. Take a close look, it‘s interesting. Tells you a lot. Not sure if I really want to know the exact purpose and agendas of such socalled ‚micronations‘.

Just a few examples.
Representative office of Liberland in
Austria: Anna Riedl https://www.weforum.org/people/anna-riedl
Germany: Kolja Spöri https://germany.liberland.org/en/
Russia: Andrey Voronkov https://voronkov.io/en/about
UK:Tariq Abbasi https://uk.liberland.org/en/


Extending a bit further on this Liberland topic (I think it alone would do a great thread), I found this video today, it was posted 8 days ago on Liberland Official YT Channel

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The video is short direct to the point, only 1:56

It is about Liberland opening a new embassy in Mexico. The thing is Jeff Berwick will be the ambassador LOL

For what I know which is almost nothing about him, I just took the time to listen some of his videos to learn more about his intentions, he seems to run a large crypto operation with Dollar Vigilante.. he was the founder of Anarcapulco, he is Canadian but he lives in Mexico.. first I heard about him many years ago, was not good at all, people were saying to be scammed by him and many were calling the dude a con man.. anyway, I never follow anything about him at all, I won't judge it, I am just posting the news about Liberland, seems like they are moving faster than I previously imagined.

[palehorse]

We must say "no" to the digital ID, as it truly will be a prison system as shown in this short video:

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/a-digital-prison-is-being-built-around-you-right-now/

Thanks for bring us back on topic :)

Here is another article very interesting, there is high hopes even after the implementation of CBDC, lot of people working hard to bring to life new systems that no governments or authorities could stop, some programmers involved are completely anonymous because they are touching into the legal system and they are fully aware what the thugs in government do to them once they get caught. God bless each one of them for their courage and braveness.

"In other words, the group believes that the high-tech game of cat and mouse between rogue crypto coders and governments that has gone on for over a decade is still only just beginning."

ref.:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/02/crypto-anarchist-coders-evade-law-enforcement-00080950

[palehorse]

This video goes into some details about self-custody, he speaks about the modular federated e-cash prototype developed by Fedimint and how it works when employed by a community using multisig wallet (multiple keyholders - think of a joint bank account), controlled by members of the community, which is more or less the idea of a shared wallet, the funds can only be withdrawn based on the number of co-payers required to withdraw funds, for example a multsig wallet shared by 20 people that require at least *20 people OR 20-1 people signing the transaction.

* I don't know the limit of co-signers allowed with Bitcoin, or if it varies from one crypto currency to another, that would be interesting to know the limitations, in Monero for example the scheme of multisign wallets works as N-N and N-1 and each co-signer must setup their wallets exactly the same way in order to it works. The N-1 scheme works well if there is death or disability involved with one of the co-payers, imagine losing all funds because 1 co-payer died suddenly and nobody got access to his passphrase.

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From their website : "Fedimint is an open source protocol to custody and transact bitcoin in a community context, built on a strong foundation of privacy."
source: https://fedimint.org/docs/intro

I have to investigate it in more details to grasp what make it different from only have a Monero multisig wallet for instance instead of it, seems to be using bitcoin lightning network for fast transactions.

In a high level concept, they claim to be some sort of community custody platform and it is based on trust of the high members of the community, which is possible to achieve using only bitcoin or monero.. let's see where it goes.

[Patient]

I have read through the thread very quickly so my apologies if this has already been brought up and I missed it...

I wonder if something like this could be created and followed through...What if we created a webpage, you tube, tick tock, etc., as just a way to send out a message to all of the people of like minds - just create a way to get a message to as many of us as possible.

If we could establish a simple thing that people could recognize for a short message, we could really get the attention of TPTB (not directly) but as a group of course and maybe something like this might even have a positive affect on those who are brain washed.

Coordinating small things then gradually get bigger/longer in the message. Start with a world wide "1 minute sit down", then maybe the next one could be just applause (clapping for 30 seconds).

Once established, this could grow into larger/longer things. Just walking and holding up a small sign that says "Time to wake up!" Imagine if you did that at a certain set time and date and then you saw a few other people with the same sign.

Have you seen those "flash mobs" and how people around are intrigued and their spirits are lifted?

Of course the effort would need participation from people around the world to get the word out if/when the you tube message is taken down etc

Communicating/coordinating and reaching enough people is key, but I wonder if it could be done.

Yes it would be small at first but momentum and curiosity could take hold.

If you have never seen a flash mob, here is an example - once people saw it, people around the world started doing similar gatherings.

Yu154T7hhes

[palehorse]

I have read through the thread very quickly so my apologies if this has already been brought up and I missed it...

I wonder if something like this could be created and followed through...What if we created a webpage, you tube, tick tock, etc., as just a way to send out a message to all of the people of like minds - just create a way to get a message to as many of us as possible.

If we could establish a simple thing that people could recognize for a short message, we could really get the attention of TPTB (not directly) but as a group of course and maybe something like this might even have a positive affect on those who are brain washed.

Coordinating small things then gradually get bigger/longer in the message. Start with a world wide "1 minute sit down", then maybe the next one could be just applause (clapping for 30 seconds).

Once established, this could grow into larger/longer things. Just walking and holding up a small sign that says "Time to wake up!" Imagine if you did that at a certain set time and date and then you saw a few other people with the same sign.

Have you seen those "flash mobs" and how people around are intrigued and their spirits are lifted?

Of course the effort would need participation from people around the world to get the word out if/when the you tube message is taken down etc

Communicating/coordinating and reaching enough people is key, but I wonder if it could be done.

Yes it would be small at first but momentum and curiosity could take hold.

If you have never seen a flash mob, here is an example - once people saw it, people around the world started doing similar gatherings.

Yu154T7hhes


Hi Patient, I was looking again into the idea, did you see how protests are been hold lately? It is basically ignored and in some countries they are really f****ing up people and holding then in cells.. does not matter if it is peaceful protest or violent ones, they are all the same in the eyes of the "lulus" and "fifis" in charge.

I think from where we are and into the future, the next protests will be more violent and radical, they equalized any sort of dislikes as criminal behavior, doing so it just opened the doors for more crime and violence.. after all that is what evil wants anyway.

[shaberon]

The difficulty is that it was never a cause, there was no common understanding based on this, and if not then it is hard to say it was the intent of the Founding Fathers. There was no such thing as an American National (https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5304&context=flr):



IF THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN AMERICAN NATIONAL, WHY IS THIS SECTION IN THE USCODE?
.....
In my copy of the 1993 edition of the 1992 US Code (50 titles),


Right...after 1940, there is such a thing as an American National, for which all one would need is evidence that you were born in Samoa.

So, maybe it only comes up one time in the USC because there never was such a thing until then.

My issues from post 58 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120017-Starve-the-beast-solutions&p=1531980&viewfull=1#post1531980) are also that the phrase "republican form of government" has no particular meaning, let alone a legal one. And that, in the Revolutionary era, of course no one was concerned about federal citizenship, because there was nothing federal. Instead, when British law was cast off, everyone was presumed a citizen of their State. Even if gloriously free of the Fed, one was still a subject.

All of the future was designed about increasing the flow and amount of citizens to the new country, from which there was no protection, at least in the legal sense, until 1940, when National status was invented for Samoans--which of course was seen as disadvantageous, sort of a push-off or keeping them as fringe material.

The discussions underway *do* seem to be about minimizing the federal government, *but* the thesis is flawed if, instead of being a federal subject, one was automatically, informatively, and willingly, a subject of the new State, which says nothing about the type of government or relationship thereto.

[ozmirage]

The difficulty is that it was never a cause, there was no common understanding based on this, and if not then it is hard to say it was the intent of the Founding Fathers. There was no such thing as an American National (https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5304&context=flr):



IF THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN AMERICAN NATIONAL, WHY IS THIS SECTION IN THE USCODE?
.....
In my copy of the 1993 edition of the 1992 US Code (50 titles),


Right...after 1940, there is such a thing as an American National, for which all one would need is evidence that you were born in Samoa.

So, maybe it only comes up one time in the USC because there never was such a thing until then.

My issues from post 58 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120017-Starve-the-beast-solutions&p=1531980&viewfull=1#post1531980) are also that the phrase "republican form of government" has no particular meaning, let alone a legal one. And that, in the Revolutionary era, of course no one was concerned about federal citizenship, because there was nothing federal. Instead, when British law was cast off, everyone was presumed a citizen of their State. Even if gloriously free of the Fed, one was still a subject.

All of the future was designed about increasing the flow and amount of citizens to the new country, from which there was no protection, at least in the legal sense, until 1940, when National status was invented for Samoans--which of course was seen as disadvantageous, sort of a push-off or keeping them as fringe material.

The discussions underway *do* seem to be about minimizing the federal government, *but* the thesis is flawed if, instead of being a federal subject, one was automatically, informatively, and willingly, a subject of the new State, which says nothing about the type of government or relationship thereto.
A U.S. national (like one born in Samoa) is not synonymous with an American national. And the supreme Court admitted that American people are subjects, whereas citizens are sovereigns, right?

NOPE. The other way around.
PEOPLE are sovereigns - CITIZENS are subjects.
PEOPLE have endowed rights - CITIZENS surrendered their endowment.
- - - -
Proof?
Easy Peasy.


Geo.Wash. Sums it up nicely in 1783 - long before the constitution
. . .
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.

[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]

IN SHORT,
The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (qualified ownership of estate, via ad valorem taxes, etc). .. by his consent to be governed.
Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

= = = = =
CONSENT OF THE CITIZENRY

“ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.”
- - - City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944
https://casetext.com/case/city-of-dallas-v-mitchell-1
. . .
The rights of the individual / national / non-citizen / inhabitant / non-resident are not derived from government, but are Creator endowed... (i.e., republican form of government)
But once consent to be governed is granted, via citizenship, that endowment has been surrendered / waived by the citizenry. Why? Because mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, etc, etc. That’s the consequence of migrating to their [socialist] democratic form of government, where a majority can legally persecute a minority... or tax the snot out of them.
It’s been part of the law since day one. Did you miss the part in the Declaration where they pledged “their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor”? All citizens are presumed to have made that same pledge. That’s how conscription / militia duty is 100% constitutional and not a violation of rights and liberties... “Volunteers” don’t have any.

Now you have to ask the government to explain exactly from whom did they get the delegated power to impose citizenship upon infants who cannot consent, and thus via mandatory civic duties, ABROGATE THE ENDOWED RIGHTS that governments were instituted to secure.
. . .
GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE SOVEREIGN
>>>||||||<<<

“It will be sufficient to observe briefly that the sovereignties in Europe, and particularly in England, exist on feudal principles. That system considers the Prince as the sovereign, and the people as his subjects; it regards his person as the object of allegiance, and excludes the idea of his being on an equal footing with a subject, either in a court of justice or elsewhere... No such ideas obtain here; at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the PEOPLE, and they are truly the SOVEREIGNS of the country, but they are SOVEREIGNS WITHOUT SUBJECTS, and have none to govern but themselves[.]

“From the differences existing between feudal sovereignties and governments founded on compacts, it necessarily follows that their respective prerogatives must differ. Sovereignty is the right to govern; a nation or State sovereign is the person or persons in whom that resides. In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the [sovereign] people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns."
- - - Justice John Jay in Chisholm v. Georgia (2 U.S. 419 (1793))
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/2/419#writing-USSC_CR_0002_0419_Z

Who are the sovereigns served by the servant government?
The PEOPLE !

● DEVOLVE - To pass on or delegate to another.
● REGENT - One who rules during the minority, absence, or disability of a monarch.
● SOVEREIGN - One that exercises supreme, permanent authority, especially in a nation or other governmental unit.
● CITIZEN - One who is subject of a sovereign, and has mandatory civic duties that abrogate endowed rights.

The sovereign American people have the right to govern - themselves. They have supreme power only over that which they absolutely own - private property. They descend to servants, when in the government. And to be eligible to serve in the government, they must assert citizenship - which entails accepting mandatory civic duties which amount to a surrender of endowed rights to life, liberty and absolute ownership of private property. (This is how “Selective Service” is not involuntary servitude)

The USCON concurs - People have rights and powers (9th and 10th amendments) - Citizens have privileges and immunities (not endowed rights).

At one time, Americans were aware of the difference... long before national socialism (1930s)
.................................................................
ALIEN, n. An American sovereign in his probationary state.
- - - - “The Devil’s Dictionary” (1906), by Ambrose Bierce
(download available from www.gutenberg.org (http://www.gutenberg.org))
.................................................................

P.S. - there is no such thing as a "sovereign citizen" (oxymoron).

[grapevine]

Digital IDs Are HERE!! Why You Should Be WORRIED!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwRSzNTp2ko&t=21s&ab_channel=CoinBureau

11th December 2022

TIMESTAMPS -
0:00 Intro
0:56 What is Digital ID?
4:07 Who Is Pushing Digital ID?
9:00 When Will Digital ID Come?
14:45 Digital ID USA, EU, UK
19:41 Outcomes According To UN
23:15 Will Digital ID Succeed?
25:22 The Next Crisis
27:31 How To Escape Digital ID

A half-hour well spent, if you have the time to watch this informative, important video. It goes into great detail about Digital ID in a way that is easily understood, and pulls no punches about the intent of world leaders and what it will mean for us, the masses (as if we didn't know). It won't surprise you to know that there will be a separate Digital ID system for the Elite!

But at 26:35 the narrator makes a very interesting forecast and gives us hope for a much brighter outcome/future.

[palehorse]

Digital IDs Are HERE!! Why You Should Be WORRIED!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwRSzNTp2ko&t=21s&ab_channel=CoinBureau

11th December 2022

TIMESTAMPS -
0:00 Intro
0:56 What is Digital ID?
4:07 Who Is Pushing Digital ID?
9:00 When Will Digital ID Come?
14:45 Digital ID USA, EU, UK
19:41 Outcomes According To UN
23:15 Will Digital ID Succeed?
25:22 The Next Crisis
27:31 How To Escape Digital ID

A half-hour well spent, if you have the time to watch this informative, important video. It goes into great detail about Digital ID in a way that is easily understood, and pulls no punches about the intent of world leaders and what it will mean for us, the masses (as if we didn't know). It won't surprise you to know that there will be a separate Digital ID system for the Elite!

But at 26:35 the narrator makes a very interesting forecast and gives us hope for a much brighter outcome/future.


Thanks Miller for posting the video here, I watched from 23 minutes til the end, I like his analysis and I think there is some truth regarding crypto currency, I am speculating it and trying to find what would be an ideal crypto currency for daily use, I mean for spending not for investing. So far Monero fits the bill, but adoption sucks, the best available today is Bitcoin in terms of adoption, but it is mainly the choice of investors and it is not really for spending (read buy groceries or ordinary daily expenses) + high fees.

I am of the idea if I don't hold it, then it does not belong to me, I mean custody in this case, if we are talking about self-custody then it would make a lot more sense, but having someone holding the keys does not give us the right of ownership and that is exactly what CBDC will do, they will hold everyone's money, unless we get self-custody right.

After all it is about financial education which most people on earth are illiterate, if they understood the debit system they are part of.. it would be a very different world.

I agree that there is already a very clear division from those top-down hierarchy and the ones from the down-top anarchists.

In this post there is a video talking about self-custody - I am not promoting anything here, it is just 1 example of what people are trying to do in order to bring down this top-down globalist filth scheme. If enough people adopt the idea of been their own baking system, the debit slave system will shatter like glass.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120017-Starve-the-beast-solutions&p=1545010&viewfull=1#post1545010


¡Viva la libertad!

[shaberon]

A U.S. national (like one born in Samoa) is not synonymous with an American national.


Explain, please?




And the supreme Court admitted that American people are subjects, whereas citizens are sovereigns, right?



The issue I found was not American, but State--also before the Constitution--that when any State was formed, whoever lived there was presumed a citizen of that State.

[ozmirage]

A U.S. national (like one born in Samoa) is not synonymous with an American national.
Explain, please?


And the supreme Court admitted that American people are subjects, whereas citizens are sovereigns, right? The issue I found was not American, but State--also before the Constitution--that when any State was formed, whoever lived there was presumed a citizen of that State.
Incorrect.
Let us start with this - - -

DO YOU KNOW THAT CITIZENSHIP COMES WITH MANDATORY CIVIC DUTIES?
.
And that those duties are presumed to be "voluntary"?
.
And that if they were mandatory, at birth, they would be "involuntary servitude" banned by the 13th amendment as well as contrary to the republican form of government?

The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, MILITIA, on the jury, etc." In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

If not involuntary servitude banned by the 13th amendment, it must be VOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

NO INFANT CAN BE "BORN A CITIZEN" WITH MANDATORY CIVIC DUTIES - STATE OR FEDERAL JURISDICTION - WITHOUT VIOLATING THE REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

HOW DO WE KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE?

It was “the LAW” from day one.
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln

As Lincoln reminds us, under the republican form, promised by the USCON, described by the Declaration of Independence, NO MAN (nor American government) is good enough to govern you without your consent.
You were endowed, at birth, by your Creator, with the rights to life, liberty (natural and personal), absolute ownership of private property, inherent powers, etc, etc, etc.

BUT citizens don't have endowed rights !

Geo.Wash. Sums it up nicely in 1783 - long before the constitution
. . .
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]

IN SHORT,
The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (qualified ownership of estate, via ad valorem taxes, etc). .. by his consent to be governed.
Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

Art. 1, Sec. 8, USCON (1789)
Congress shall have power ... To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

Title 10 USC Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of ALL able-bodied MALES at least 17 years of age and, ... under 45 years of age who are ... CITIZENS of the United States

= = = = =
CONSENT OF THE CITIZENRY
“ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.”
- - - City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944
https://casetext.com/case/city-of-dallas-v-mitchell-1
. . .
The rights of the individual / national / non-citizen / inhabitant / non-resident are not derived from government, but are Creator endowed... (i.e., republican form of government)
But once consent to be governed is granted, via citizenship, that endowment has been surrendered / waived by the citizenry. Why? Because mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, etc, etc. That’s the consequence of migrating to their [socialist] democratic form of government, where a majority can legally persecute a minority... or tax the snot out of them.

Lastly, nationality.

NATIONAL - A person owing permanent allegiance to a state. 8
U.S.C.A. § 1101.
The term "national" as used in the phrase "national of the United States" is broader than the term "citizen". Brassert v. Biddle, D.C.Conn., 59 F.Supp. 457, 462.
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1024

NATIONALITY. That quality or character which arises from the fact of a person's belonging to a nation or state. Nationality determines the political status of the individual, especially with reference to allegiance; while domicile determines his civil status. Nationality arises either by birth or by naturalization. See also Naturalization.
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1025

FEDERAL CITIZENSHIP - Rights and obligations accruing by reason of being a citizen of the United States. State or status of being a citizen of the United States. A person born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof is a citizen of the United States and of the State wherein he resides. Fourteenth Amend., U.S. Const.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 610

CITIZEN - One who, under the Constitution and laws of the United States, or of a particular state, is a member of the political community, owing allegiance and being entitled to the enjoyment of full civil rights. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
U.S.Const., 14th Amend. See Citizenship.


"Citizens" are members of a political community who, in their associated capacity, have ESTABLISHED OR SUBMITTED themselves to the dominion of a government for the promotion of their general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights. Herriott v. City of Seattle, 81 Wash.2d 48, 500 P.2d 101, 109.
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 244

Most Americans presume that being a "CITIZEN" is a great thing... thanks to the propaganda ministry. But let's consider this FACT - citizenship comes with mandatory civic duties that include MILITIA DUTY - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command.

As posted before - the Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, MILITIA, on the jury, etc." In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

If not involuntary servitude banned by the 13th amendment, it must be VOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

If one has not volunteered to be a citizen, one retains all endowed rights to life, liberty (natural and personal), absolute ownership of private property, inherent powers, yada yada yada yada.

Most Americans are never told that 'THE PEOPLE' and 'the Citizenry' are mutually exclusive.
American people (nationals) are sovereigns, served by government.
American citizens are subjects of a sovereign (government).

In case you're wondering where the 14th amendment comes in - consider for whom that "citizenship" was created... former privately owned chattels.
Furthermore, the "jurisdiction" of the United States government is very limited.

Oh, and don't get confused over what the "United States" refers to. It is deliberately vague for a reason.

[] 13th amendment, Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
{United States, in the plural, means the States united aka "USA"}

Involuntary servitude shall not exist within the United States (of America) or any place subject to THEIR jurisdiction.

Yet:
[] 14th amendment.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Why didn’t the writers use “and in any place subject to THEIR jurisdiction?”

Because the “United States” was a direct reference to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, a “foreign corporation” with respect to a state or any of them.

Title 28 United States Code, §3002. Definitions,
(15) “United States” means -
(a) a Federal corporation

FEDERAL CORPORATIONS - The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.
- - - Volume 19, Corpus Juris Secundum XVIII. Foreign Corporations, Sections 883,884

"The United States and the State of California are two separate sovereignties, each dominant in its own sphere."
- - - Redding v. Los Angeles (1947), 81 C.A.2d 888, 185 P.2d 430.

"We have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of its own..."
- - - United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

For whose benefit was the 14th amendment enacted? Certainly not those citizens in the States united. It was for those who were subjects of the Federal government, emancipated (not manumitted) slaves.

So if you were not born subject to FEDERAL sovereignty, you were not “born a U.S. citizen” and subject to the Federal government.

Imposition of citizenship at birth would violate the Declaration of Independence, the republican form of government, as well as the 13th amendment.

Under the republican form, American PEOPLE (non-citizens) are sovereigns and who can DIRECTLY exercise their sovereignty, as inhabitants with domiciles. They aren’t residents residing at a residence in a state.

Which comes back to "U.S. national" versus "American national."

31 CFR 800.227 - U.S. national.
§ 800.227 U.S. national.
The term U.S. national means a citizen of the United States or an individual who, although not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.

A U.S. citizen IS a U.S. national.
BUT
An AMERICAN NATIONAL is not a citizen.

HOW DO WE KNOW THIS?

Title 8, USC Sec. 1502. Certificate of nationality issued by the Secretary of State for person not a naturalized citizen of the United States for use in proceedings of a foreign state.
“ The Secretary of State is authorized to issue, in his discretion and in accordance with rules and regulations prescribed by him, a certificate of nationality for any person not a naturalized citizen of the United States who presents satisfactory evidence that he is an AMERICAN NATIONAL and that such certificate is needed for use in judicial or administrative proceedings in a foreign state. Such certificate shall be solely for the use in the case for which it was issued and shall be transmitted by the Secretary of State through appropriate channels to the judicial or administrative officers of the foreign state in which it is to be used.”
- - - -
An American national is NOT a citizen. Whereas a U.S. national can be a citizen.

- - - -
The U.S. national who is not a citizen is one within FEDERAL jurisdiction.

8 U.S. Code § 1408 - Nationals but not citizens of the United States at birth
Unless otherwise provided in section 1401 of this title, the following shall be nationals, but not citizens, of the United States at birth:
(1) A person born in an outlying possession of the United States on or after the date of formal acquisition of such possession;
(2) A person born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are nationals, but not citizens, of the United States, and have had a residence in the United States, or one of its outlying possessions prior to the birth of such person;
(3) A person of unknown parentage found in an outlying possession of the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in such outlying possession; and
(4) A person born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a national, but not a citizen, of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than seven years in any continuous period of ten years—
(A) during which the national parent was not outside the United States or its outlying possessions for a continuous period of more than one year, and
(B) at least five years of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.
The proviso of section 1401(g) of this title shall apply to the national parent under this paragraph in the same manner as it applies to the citizen parent under that section.
= = = = =
Note: the definition of geographic jurisdiction is “The United States and ITS outlying possessions.” It does not state “within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” as found in the 13th amendment.

IN case you were unaware, the term "United States" can have many different meanings depending on context and legislative intent.
But "the United States of America" is not vague or redefined.
An "American national" refers back to the USA, not the US.

If you go back to the Articles of Confederation *1777*, it's pretty clear.

★ Article I. The Stile of this confederacy shall be "The United States of America".

★ Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every Power, Jurisdiction and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.

The States united is distinct from the United States, in Congress assembled.

Guess who "We, the People of the United States" really referred to? (Preamble to the USCON)

Not the people of the United States of America, that's for sure.


Some of the legalese is hidden in redefinition of terms like STATE.

STATE - A people permanently occupying a fixed territory bound together by common-law habits and custom into one body politic exercising, through the medium of an organized government, independent sovereignty and control over all persons and things within its boundaries, capable of making war and peace and entering into international relations with other communities of the globe.
- In its largest sense, a "state" is a body politic or a society of men.
- The section of territory occupied by one of the United States.
- One of the component commonwealths or states of the United States of America.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p.1407

See it? Two explicitly different references for "United States" and "United States of America."
. . .
We know that there are 50 States united (component commonwealths) in the United States of America. And that federal territories and districts are NOT states.

Yet we see these curious definitions:

Title 8 USC Sec. 1401 (36) The term `State' includes the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands of the United States.
(38)The term `United States', except as otherwise specifically herein provided, when used in a geographical sense, means the continental United States, Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands of the United States.

42 USC Sec. 410. Definitions relating to employment
For the purposes of this subchapter -
(h) State. The term `State' includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa.
(i) United States. The term `United States' when used in a geographical
sense means the States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa.

. . . .
What about the 50 states united, the “several states”?

50 USC Sec. 466. Definitions
(b) The term `United States', when used in a geographical sense, shall be deemed to mean the several States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam.

7 U.S.C. Sec. 390b.
As used in sections 390a to 390j, inclusive, of this
title -
(1) the term `State' means each of the 50 States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, and the Virgin Islands of the United States;

12 U.S.C. Sec. 2277a (6) State
The term `State' means any of the 50 States, the District of Columbia, any Territory of the United States, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, or the Virgin Islands.

20 U.S.C. Sec. 3005 (b) Special rule
(2) the term `States' includes the 50 States, the District of Columbia, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.

42 U.S.C. Sec. 12522 (f) Definitions
For purposes of this section: (2) State. The term `State' includes the 50 States, the District of Columbia, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.

It is apparent that the government is quite capable of distinguishing between itself (the Federal state, and its possessions) and the 50 States united (“the several states”). Don’t be fooled.

That "foreign corporation" has no jurisdiction inside any commonwealth State of the Union except for the limited delegations of power in Article 1, Section 8, USCON.

And pursuant to the republican form of government, no government instituted to secure endowed rights can impose citizenship AT BIRTH, with mandatory civic duties that abrogate those endowed rights. . . without consent of the governed.

YUP, we were tricked.


Link to post about "sovereigns without subjects" who absolutely own private property, etc, etc.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120017-Starve-the-beast-solutions&p=1532153&viewfull=1#post1532153

[ozmirage]

NOTE: For those who were misled to assume that the Declaration of Independence was NOT law, please check your own constitution, to verify if it includes verbiage that directly complies with the Declaration.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION

Article I Declaration of Rights [Section 1 - Sec. 32]
( Article 1 adopted 1879. )
Section 1.
All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

PENNSYLVANIA CONSTITUTION
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=00&div=0&chpt=1
Article 1, Section 1. Inherent Rights of Mankind

All men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation, and of pursuing their own happiness.

- - - - - -
I expect that you will find that EVERY state constitution specifically recognizes endowed rights of the PEOPLE (sovereigns), including natural rights, natural and personal liberty, inherent powers, absolute ownership of private property and so on.

HOWEVER, if one has consented to be governed, as their citizen, all bets are off.
Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
(It's even worse if you have signed up with socialist insecurity for an account and number. Eligibility for public charity makes one a pauper at law and a status criminal.)

[ExomatrixTV]

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[Emoven Miughalaigh]

I, too, thought about using the current currency when they stop using it. Plan in advance and have plenty of it and encourage other people to as well.

I buy organic seeds and give them away and encourage people who grow to grow more and people who don't grow to start doing it.

Get an allotment or start sowing/growing on a piece of spare ground. Get a team together and do it seriously. Start a compost heap on some unused land.

Buy organic food and get all the seeds from it to sow.

It's really important to defund them so anything you don't pay is a bonus. Does anyone know how to not pay for internet?

There are many ways to not pay. Start researching and understanding them.

[Emoven Miughalaigh]

I just thought of something else.......The Health Ranger, Mike Adams says that you can store diesel, that it is really difficult to set fire to. So if you have a diesel car/truck you could stockpile fuel for when there is none to be had.

[shaberon]

Incorrect.
Let us start with this - - -

DO YOU KNOW THAT CITIZENSHIP COMES WITH MANDATORY CIVIC DUTIES?



Yes, we do.

It means you take a gun and shoot the British.

You are posting a post-1940s tax evasion, nothing about real law or history. At all.

The Declaration of Independence is not law. At all.

Someone has started some god awful lie about Thomas Jefferson, which thanks to sophistry looks like it means something.



If you did not accept State Citizenship pre-1776, you were evicted. If you did, your descendants got it automatically. The federal government simply grandfathered State citizenship into "American citizenship". That is all.

Are the laws applied to citizens a huge horrible mess, yes, but that is the fault of this batch of legislation, not the state of being a citizen.

The non-citizen argument is still true in France.

The U. S. Constitution may itself be simply a vehicle to amass a tax base to pay off war debt, with some human rights tossed in as window-dressing. The Articles of Confederation were "too weak" to do this, and we got a ton of Wall Street influence starting from the changes that made the Constitution, continuing through generations of legal changes mixed with market manipulations. Nothing to do with Jefferson who believed in an agriculture-based economy.

There are a fair number of us whose ancestors came to the colonies in the early 1700s, mostly to escape the stupid violence that kept happening in Europe. Eventually they took a Revolutionary Oath to violently overthrow European power. That is why we are citizens. To argue against this is to sanitize and remove the American Revolution, which itself had at least a 30% following that we would install a new king, was not inherently a "republican" fight like in France.

The ability to stick "National" on a passport is a short-track application which doesn't have any extensive certification process, because it is practically unused, it does not merit a bureaucratic department to check everyone out. You say it, they take it.

To do so is to claim the position of the "disenfranchised" formerly occupied by women, slaves, Indians, Pacific and other territories, and then to camp off the Japanese in World War II. Those are the non-citizen American Nationals. It is not for people who fought in the Revolution and their descendants.

Has anyone been brave enough to formally renounce citizenship to the State Department? Of course not, you don't recognize them as "master" and ask for permission, or you just don't have the spine to do it. Try it and see what happens. That is why this argument is a collection of tax loopholes through thirty pieces of minor paperwork.





As to the posts about grow your own organic, yes--message of Fidel Castro.

Diesel is a more efficient engine by all descriptions. We don't commonly use it in America because it takes a few minutes to warm up. Same reason we don't use manual clutches. Too inconvenient for the average citizen. Gasoline does not store very well. Diesel can be made many ways. Jets were originally designed to run on peanut butter if need be (although this method is closer to kerosene).

[ozmirage]

Since facts don't matter, don't waste your time reading this rebuttal.

But if you ever do read the Statutes at Large of the United States of America, Statute #1 is the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
AND
The supreme court has ruled many times that all states' constitutions have to be in harmony with that declaration.

In fact, most if not all constitutions repeat those self-evident truths, just in "new" phrasing.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION

Article I Declaration of Rights [Section 1 - Sec. 32]
( Article 1 adopted 1879. )
Section 1.

All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

PENNSYLVANIA CONSTITUTION
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=00&div=0&chpt=1
Article 1, Section 1. Inherent Rights of Mankind

All men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation, and of pursuing their own happiness.


The Declaration of Independence Part of American Law
Professor John Eidsmoe writes:
"The role of the Declaration of Independence in American law is often misconstrued. Some believe the Declaration is simply a statement of ideas that has no legal force whatsoever today. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Declaration has been repeatedly cited by the U.S. Supreme Court as part of the fundamental law of the United States of America.

"The United States Code Annotated includes the Declaration of Independence under the heading 'The Organic Laws of the United States of America' along with the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, and the Northwest Ordinance. Enabling acts frequently require states to adhere to the principles of the Declaration; in the Enabling Act of June 16, 1906, Congress authorized Oklahoma Territory to take steps to become a state. Section 3 provides that the Oklahoma Constitution 'shall not be repugnant to the Constitution of the United States and the principles of the Declaration of Independence.'
Enabling Act of JUNE 16, 1906

Sec. 505 - Delegates to Meet and Form Constitution. Sec. 3
... The constitution shall be REPUBLICAN in form, and make no distinction in civil or political rights on account of race or color, and shall not be repugnant to the Constitution of the United States and the principles of the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE...
There it is - DoC !
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln
Honest Abe is saying that America's republican form of government requires YOUR CONSENT before it can govern you. If you don't consent, you retain your endowments.

Did something erase the republican form or endowed rights?
“If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final.”
- - - Calvin Coolidge, Speech on the Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence (1926)
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge
Coolidge says nothing has changed . . . Is he wrong?

Bottom line - thanks to the world's greatest propaganda ministry, not 1 in 100,000 Americans can accurately define the republican form, its source and origin. But ignorance of the law is not a defense. The republican form, instituted by the Declaration, is the law of the land.

Of course, 99.9999% of Americans are tricked into consenting to the socialist democratic form, and surrender their endowment. But the law is clear - citizenship is 100% voluntary. Otherwise if it was imposed, it would be involuntary servitude.

And there is no law that ejected non-citizen Americans. In fact, Art IV of Confederation explicitly recognizes the non-citizen free inhabitants, and their inherent rights & powers.

CONSENT OF THE CITIZENRY
“ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.”
- - - City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944
https://casetext.com/case/city-of-dallas-v-mitchell-1

ALL men have endowed rights - - -
BUT
Those who consent to be governed, surrender them. It's spelled out in the end of the Declaration, where the founders pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor (in obedience) to the new governments instituted to secure rights. All subsequent citizens are presumed to make the same pledge, hence they have no endowed rights to life, liberty nor property.

Would you believe GEORGE WASHINGTON?
. . .
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
IN SHORT, NO citizen has any endowed right to life, liberty or private property, since he OWES a duty to the STATE, to defend it and pay for it. Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.


In the 1993 edition of the 1992 US Code (50 titles), I found only ONE reference to American nationals.
Title 8, U.S.C.S. 1502. Certificate of nationality issued by the Secretary of State for person not a naturalized citizen of the United States for use in proceedings of a foreign state.
“ The Secretary of State is authorized to issue, in his discretion and in accordance with rules and regulations prescribed by him, a certificate of nationality for any person not a naturalized citizen of the United States who presents satisfactory evidence that he is an AMERICAN NATIONAL and that such certificate is needed for use in judicial or administrative proceedings in a foreign state. Such certificate shall be solely for the use in the case for which it was issued and shall be transmitted by the Secretary of State through appropriate channels to the judicial or administrative officers of the foreign state in which it is to be used.”
. . .
That is ALL that the Federal government will say about American nationals. No mention of any civic duties, taxes, or compulsory regulations.

"The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these states ... shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several states; ...."
[Article IV of the Articles of Confederation (1777)]
Free inhabitants - who are not subject citizens - are recognized as having endowed rights that government was instituted to secure. They are the sovereign people aka "American nationals."

Obviously "someone" has endowed rights, and "someone else" surrendered them.
Citizenship was, is and ever shall be voluntary in these united States under the promised republican form of government.

[palehorse]

Diesel engines are indeed much superior than anything else. I saw people running an old tractor on coconut oil (home made bio-diesel), it is illegal to sell it to others, but there is not much laws saying about doing it yourself, and even if there is laws about it, who are coming to check your property, just keep it simple and quiet, BTW who are going to stop your truck or tractor or whatever to check if the Diesel is genuine or not.. lol

Doing bio-diesel only worth the time and effort when there is a community that demands its use, otherwise storing it would be a better idea, large drums will do the job, with a small hand pump like those sold on Aliexpress (around $19). Diesel drums (or oil barrel) of 200L (55 gallons) will give almost 3 full tanks for a pick truck.

Here in my area I can buy those 200L barrels for about $14 a piece, prices may vary from country to country, but it can't be much more than that. The little investment worth in my opinion.

An average pick truck has a tank of 75L, if you use about 1 tank per month then you are consuming 900L per year.
If you want get ahead and save with fuel price yearly increasing, just get 5 barrels will be enough for slightly over a year, all you need are new barrels + manual barrel pump + diesel and a place in case of long term storage away light/heat/humidity. If you are constantly using it, then you can store even in your garage or barn.

I have kerosene stocked here and I have to keep it in the garage is an open ventilated area, the evaporation rate is pretty high, I am storing in a plastic barrel (very bad idea), I can smell it, those metal drums are the best option, based on my own experience.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/S/aplus-media-library-service-media/31042e31-13cf-43ca-a5ac-f87610aaf043.__CR0,0,1600,1600_PT0_SX300_V1___.jpg


If cold is an issue in your area to store diesel, there is something called "band drum heater", it is usually made out of silicon and you wrap around the drum, it has a digital temp. controller and will keep it warm, but it is an electrical device just like a "heater belt".. it may be useful for some people.

[shaberon]

Citizenship was, is and ever shall be voluntary in these united States under the promised republican form of government.


Voluntary in the sense that Jefferson's "consent of the governed" was the Revolutionary Oath.


In the Constitution, considering its date, it says the President must have been a "resident" for fourteen years, since there was nothing to have been a "citizen" of in 1773--and that changes for the shorter requirements of the other offices.


This matter was settled in the first election to the House of Representatives of
Smith 1789 (https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-12-02-0115):


...I must own that I feel myself at liberty to decide, that Mr. Smith was a citizen at the declaration of independence, a citizen at the time of his election, and consequently entitled to a seat in this legislature.

Cong. Register description begins Thomas Lloyd, comp., The Congressional Register; or, History of the Proceedings and Debates of the First House of Representatives … (2 vols.; New York, 1789; Evans 22203–4). description ends , I, 391–95. The House decided overwhelmingly in favor of Smith. Many years later JM recalled this contested election when composing his essay on sovereignty (“Sovereignty,” [1835], Madison, Writings [Hunt ed.] description begins Gaillard Hunt., ed., The Writings of James Madison (9 vols.; New York, 1900–1910). description ends , IX, 570).


He was challenged because of not having taken an oath, and was determined (overwhelmingly) to be a citizen simply by living.



Having received this form of rebuke, the accuser wrote an apologetic tract on the current views in Ramsay 1789 (https://static1.squarespace.com/static/590be125ff7c502a07752a5b/t/62af88a807a9130c8574a07a/1655670957827/Ramsay%2C+David%2C+A+Dissertation+on+the+Manners+of+Acquiring+the+Character+and+Privileges+of+a+Citi zen+of+the+United+States.pdf):

...citizens possess
in their own right original sovereignty.
There is also a great difference between citizens, and
inhabitants or residents.
Any person living within a country or state, is an
inhabitant of it, or resident in it.
Negroes are inhabitants, but not citizens. Citizenship
confers a right of voting at elections, and many other privileges not enjoyed by those who are no more than inhabitants...


That is exactly how it started. There is no second "republican form of government", a phrase without meaning.

Find any examples of a period-appropriate person or group who realized Jefferson was secretly protecting some special group who were wise enough to not "give consent".

It's not possible because they were all removed from the physical space.

One argument against the Articles is that the phrase you quoted effectively means a slave--inhabitant (sovereign American national in your words) in one state could cross a border and be treated as a citizen in the next.


Other state documents at the time interchange "subject" for "citizen"--same thing.

One has to voluntarily surrender something in order to not be in the "state of nature", meaning without government.

The Supreme Court ruled in favor of citizenship by birthright in 1830. In 1853, it was noted that an Austrian refugee who had been living and working in the United States for a number of years was a national, but not a citizen.


Here are some relevant Decisions (https://fam.state.gov/fam/08fam/08fam010203.html):


a. The decision in Murray v. The Charming Betsy, 6 U.S. 64 (1804), demonstrates the Court's early understanding that all persons born in the United States were U.S. citizens, despite the fact that the individual at issue in the case had lived most of his life outside the country.

b. In the case of Inglis v. Trustees of Sailor's Snug Harbor, 28 U.S. 99 (1830), the Court faced the question of whether a man born in New York State in 1776 was a U.S. citizen and therefore able to inherit real property. In doing so, the Court resolved complicated questions of how citizenship had been acquired during the Revolutionary War. The court found that those present on U.S. soil at the Declaration of Independence or born thereafter were presumed to be citizens, but the presumption of citizenship was rebutted upon a showing of intent to remain a British subject.



Those are not turns of phrase construed out-of-context from some speech, it is Congress and the Supreme Court in some of their very first actions.

In general terms, Jefferson was a devotee of "agrarian economy", a platform continued by Andrew Jackson, against national banking.

Hamilton was a devotee of Wall Street, a platform continued by Whigs/Republicans such as Lincoln, who let in a national bank and for the first time began loading it with Treasury Bonds, a practice that has remained in place ever since.


I have searched for the first instance of anyone using the "revoke consent" argument, and it was 1953, and not very pretty.

Washington, Jefferson, and the revolutionaries were not risking their lives so that some unknown group could celebrate the mystery of being wise enough not to consent. That is specious.

None of them were fighting "for" the Constitution, which already has such bad issues that Rhode Island resisted it with 1,000 armed men. It is too risky about moving power to the federal level in a way that favors the Wall Street faction. All of its early debates were filled with "states' rights" issues, which continued to come up through the 1800s, until Lincoln answered that too, by having one goal, preserving the union.

If "perpetual" Articles can be repealed and replaced by a "non-perpetual" Constitution, obviously that body of law can meet the same fate. It must be "the Beast", as many of its early challengers described. Unfortunately, most of the historical review guides us to the ten Amendments called the Bill of Rights, neglecting the fact that there were about thirty other proposed amendments on the subject of limiting federal power.


The main justification for the Articles would be that, for example, the state militia of Georgia would not travel and take action in New Jersey, and so by having the first Congress, agreements were reached so that those such as Washington could muster new forces that were highly mobile. The Constitution is such that state militias were slowly depleted and we were given a large standing federal army, which would have been abhorrent to Jefferson, and was one of the main arguments against ratifying the thing.

As I see it, the serious issues are against, question the benefit of, and would "alter or abolish" the Constitution.

I suppose many others see it as a "defining source of freedom" and "that which is to be preserved at all costs". Seems to me that this operates under the "threat" mentality; I need to be under the same government as someone in Idaho, because we are both about to be invaded by Swaziland. If Idaho disagrees, it does not really matter, since the Constitution provides ways for some states to oppress others.

[palehorse]

@shaberon and @ozmirage many thanks for such wealth of information in this thread, the majority of the information here I had never read it before.
It show to us what is the essential to understand in order to even think to get into a fight with the state. But if even the politicians "driving" the countries does not follow their constitutions and are always passing new bizarre laws and nullifying old ones, why should we complain with that or be politically correct?

Going straight to point, the common folks does not have a huge brain or the time to think on these issues, the majority are more worried to bring bread and milk to their tables, pay their rents, and so on.. to grasp all these details and try to apply into their lives is just "impossible mission", thanks to stupid market, bogus religion (most evangelicals) and fake science we now got a whole generation of zombies out there completely busy with all the horse excrement manufactured by the minister of love.

how can we fight back (starve the beast) in a more real way, I mean practical way, I really mean very practical way.. ? :)

here is one tiny practical experience I want to share:

today I went to the ATM and my card was cancelled for no reason, then I went to the branch and they said, "we need your biometrics data".. first was the Internet Banking cancelled (many months ago) in order to force everyone to use a mobile phones (Biometrics required), now the stupid plastic debit card cancelled, I still have the old school book bank and that is my current way to cash out when needed... no more internet or debit card unless I surrender my Biometrics data to a ****ing bank. I am willing to keep on my experiment until all doors and windows are closed, when that happen I will stop using banks at all, it will be all in cash until cash gonna, and then it will be barter/trade only. I am 100% inclined to run this experiment.


Biometrics

Immigration systems are not integrated with state owned banks by now, but it will be integrated anytime soon. Smaller banks will vanish in no time and only the large institutions will predominate.

If you are not willing to be part of the new infrastructure, the only way is to go absolutely off the digital grid, but we already know that. I see a double life option rising, keep the "digital ****" for the basic requirements, but live a full life outside of it.

Also the health passport thing, if it become mandatory at some point, they could deny anything to anyone unless they complain and taking jabs periodically. That would be the nail in the coffin. Hopefully won't get to that point, but if does, that is it, I can't imagine how it will be for next generations. Terrific huh? More pandemics on the way.


WAR

that is how they can do that, creating war, violence, disrupting.. we are in the middle of it, there will have great destruction at some point and that will be the excuse why everybody lost their wealth, then a reboot into a new system.. where people will have to complain and accept or face death or imprisonment, simply as that, tyranny at best.


Any second thoughts on the issue ?

Like getting rid of cash now buying estate/land/vehicles/supplies/metals/etc literally stock up on everything possible before they convert the current money into CBDC programmable coins, because when that comes, I am sure the remaining of the wealth will be absolutely "destroyed" for the common folks but actually transferred to the wealthiest. I remember a recent case in Australia where this lady tried to cash out something like AU$4K with her local bank and they cancelled her account, and that is because some banks has no cash anymore (already digital).


More I get myself into this materialistic world and try to understand how pathetic it is, more I know this is not the way to fight them, but in order to survive we have to deal with a few ordinary things.. and go full time (godspeed) into our spiritual development.

[George]

how can we fight back (starve the beast) in a more real way, I mean practical way, I really mean very practical way.. ? :)



I have the same issue - was trying to pay for a flight today but my ATM card stopped working. They want a biometric ID. The thing is, 'they' already got mine. First, they have my fingerprints from my old iPhone and from my computer. Then they have my FaceID from my current phone. Also, I am sure they got my DNA from the swab test that I had to take a couple of times.

So giving my biometric fingerprint or FaceID to the bank won't change much. It's already in the system somewhere, for sure in the CBDC system. So where do we draw the line? I know I missed the biometrics line already. For me the line has always been that damned poison. I will not let them inject this into my body.

And of course, without the poison we will have no access to money, internet, buying and selling at some point in the very near future. Until then we have very little time to prepare ourselves, physically and spiritually...

[shaberon]

how can we fight back (starve the beast) in a more real way, I mean practical way, I really mean very practical way.. ? :)


Well, I have struggled with this for my whole life, and while politics and laws "could" be adjusted for the better, "we" cannot exactly do that.

The closest principle I can come up with is:


Boycott.


As you may know, the actual BDS contra-Israeli products is politically rejected.

There are, however, examples of phone apps that will show you the interlocking ownership of most major companies, where you can see for example that several organic brands are owned by Coca-Cola, a major polluter.

Right now I am trying to go back to work in the area I came from, which has an interest in locally-produced agriculture, and for a while had its own local currency. I, personally, cannot "make" such a currency, and if those who did went out of business, that is our tough luck.

As another example, when I was young, I used to get tanked on cheap American beer...and I just grew out of it, never buy the stuff any more, but have these businesses diminished? Not really.

At some level, you have to refuse the product, don't give them any money.

Currently, we get a lot of our groceries from a markdown store, who has collected the out-of-dates from the major retailers. Did you know on these products we have about 40% waste? That for about every two loaves of bread you buy, a third went straight to the trash? So this store provides a valuable service and we pay about 1/4 of regular prices, which goes to a sole proprietor, not a corporation.


Spreading this kind of message to someone who doesn't care is just about impossible.

As individuals, we simply don't have enough resources to really "do" very much. I am on enough land here that could easily be converted to an agricultural bonanza. Our property taxes were just raised 58% and we lost a tenant. So we are not going to have resources to keep this and turn it into anything beneficial. We will have to hunker down in something like a commune-type existence, probably as someone else's tenant.

I can tell you something that works if you live in America--this is called using the elites' own weapon against them--but I do not know if other countries have an equivalent:


Charitable Trust


Any other kind of trust fund has rules attached, like you get money when you turn 18, or in 2025 we are going to release $50,000 for vehicle purchases, stuff like that. The Charitable Trust on the other hand is discretionary--I can for example say $50,000 for educational purposes, and make the case that vehicles are necessary for that, or land, or clothing, or whatever. And so you would just be taking in donations and then spending it however you want. That is, for example, how nuns in El Salvador got machine gunned by death squads, since such guns were seen as "counter-revolutionary purposes" or something like that. This vehicle is used by the Foundations, as well as by relatively nameless organizations, and has been so for quite some time.

You don't have to "do" much, except figure out how to start it, you would need some x amount in order for an institution to handle your Trust.

Otherwise, affecting a politician, or educating the public, is a really slow matter that takes a lot of patience.

Lifechan Yuan Ecovillages are being done by someone, although it is of Chinese origin, some similar way of spreading communes is not a bad idea. Just again, not something a single person can do on their own tomorrow.

Russia's view that they are in an "existential fight" versus our politicians is pretty much true for us, as well. They happen to have a whole country that can arm itself and definitely "do something". We don't. But it probably needs to be taken that seriously.

Wish I had a better answer. If I just sent back my Social Security number, I would forfeit all that cash that has been scarfed for nearly forty years from me, which sounds more like a loss. If they took it, I might as well live long enough to get some of it back.

[palehorse]

how can we fight back (starve the beast) in a more real way, I mean practical way, I really mean very practical way.. ? :)



I have the same issue - was trying to pay for a flight today but my ATM card stopped working. They want a biometric ID. The thing is, 'they' already got mine. First, they have my fingerprints from my old iPhone and from my computer. Then they have my FaceID from my current phone. Also, I am sure they got my DNA from the swab test that I had to take a couple of times.

So giving my biometric fingerprint or FaceID to the bank won't change much. It's already in the system somewhere, for sure in the CBDC system. So where do we draw the line? I know I missed the biometrics line already. For me the line has always been that damned poison. I will not let them inject this into my body.

And of course, without the poison we will have no access to money, internet, buying and selling at some point in the very near future. Until then we have very little time to prepare ourselves, physically and spiritually...


Hi George, thanks sharing your experience, it is happening.

Yah! they want the face recognition, retina scan and God knows what else. I didn't do any of it, not even in my phone (old one without fingerprint/face unlock features), at immig. they got a photo of my face (sure it is used to face recognition), I am ok with that, even if they need my fingerprints I am ok with that too. What I am not okay is the disguise **** up of the situation with banks, when they say we need a face scan to withdrawn our very own money, when in reality the data is been used for not only that but it is shared with others institutions and also end up in the underground, because these institutions can't keep OUR data tight and safe. The same goes for CC, there is lots and lots available in the free market.. I stopped using CC a very long time ago and I survived that until now, I am exploring these issues today because must be a way around it.

and would I have to buy a new phone with faceID or whatever just to exclusively access my very own money? sounds ridiculous to me, I won't join it.

well sorry I am not getting anywhere with that lol

The poison is the nail in the coffin, the real physical division, society will be split, hopefully we will be in good numbers to show these ****ers who they are messing with. Last case scenario we all will become a pirate!

[palehorse]

how can we fight back (starve the beast) in a more real way, I mean practical way, I really mean very practical way.. ? :)


Well, I have struggled with this for my whole life, and while politics and laws "could" be adjusted for the better, "we" cannot exactly do that.

The closest principle I can come up with is:


Boycott.


As you may know, the actual BDS contra-Israeli products is politically rejected.

There are, however, examples of phone apps that will show you the interlocking ownership of most major companies, where you can see for example that several organic brands are owned by Coca-Cola, a major polluter.

Right now I am trying to go back to work in the area I came from, which has an interest in locally-produced agriculture, and for a while had its own local currency. I, personally, cannot "make" such a currency, and if those who did went out of business, that is our tough luck.

As another example, when I was young, I used to get tanked on cheap American beer...and I just grew out of it, never buy the stuff any more, but have these businesses diminished? Not really.

At some level, you have to refuse the product, don't give them any money.

Currently, we get a lot of our groceries from a markdown store, who has collected the out-of-dates from the major retailers. Did you know on these products we have about 40% waste? That for about every two loaves of bread you buy, a third went straight to the trash? So this store provides a valuable service and we pay about 1/4 of regular prices, which goes to a sole proprietor, not a corporation.


Spreading this kind of message to someone who doesn't care is just about impossible.

As individuals, we simply don't have enough resources to really "do" very much. I am on enough land here that could easily be converted to an agricultural bonanza. Our property taxes were just raised 58% and we lost a tenant. So we are not going to have resources to keep this and turn it into anything beneficial. We will have to hunker down in something like a commune-type existence, probably as someone else's tenant.

I can tell you something that works if you live in America--this is called using the elites' own weapon against them--but I do not know if other countries have an equivalent:


Charitable Trust


Any other kind of trust fund has rules attached, like you get money when you turn 18, or in 2025 we are going to release $50,000 for vehicle purchases, stuff like that. The Charitable Trust on the other hand is discretionary--I can for example say $50,000 for educational purposes, and make the case that vehicles are necessary for that, or land, or clothing, or whatever. And so you would just be taking in donations and then spending it however you want. That is, for example, how nuns in El Salvador got machine gunned by death squads, since such guns were seen as "counter-revolutionary purposes" or something like that. This vehicle is used by the Foundations, as well as by relatively nameless organizations, and has been so for quite some time.

You don't have to "do" much, except figure out how to start it, you would need some x amount in order for an institution to handle your Trust.

Otherwise, affecting a politician, or educating the public, is a really slow matter that takes a lot of patience.

Lifechan Yuan Ecovillages are being done by someone, although it is of Chinese origin, some similar way of spreading communes is not a bad idea. Just again, not something a single person can do on their own tomorrow.

Russia's view that they are in an "existential fight" versus our politicians is pretty much true for us, as well. They happen to have a whole country that can arm itself and definitely "do something". We don't. But it probably needs to be taken that seriously.

Wish I had a better answer. If I just sent back my Social Security number, I would forfeit all that cash that has been scarfed for nearly forty years from me, which sounds more like a loss. If they took it, I might as well live long enough to get some of it back.




Thanks Shaberon, I like what you wrote, important points to notice.

Boycott for me too I've been using it for a long time now, very effective tool, but hard to apply in a global scale.

you said 58% wow what a rip off huh? I hope you can figure this out, community style could be the solution.

Charitable Trust - I am not familiar with the term, do you mean something like a church or religious entity? Actually don't bother with that, I will do some research on it, thanks for pointing out.

Regarding affecting a politician, or educating the public I really never believe much it was the way to change anything, it is a slow path, a tired one.

Lifechan Yuan Ecovillages here is what I put some credits, I think community is the fastest way to transitioning, but I am concerned about large communities, they very often end up with so many issues and vanish or disband with time. I am studying the concept of small cells with the same perspective, but instead of a large community, why not many small ones? Freedom cells for example uses the concept connecting many small communities, where each community is around 10 person, but not limited to that, it may be a bit more or a bit less, it will depend on the size of the group that want to stay together (normally friends and families), hence creating a network of communities so to say.. but it seems the concept does not work well everywhere, in Thailand for example people living on their own or in small communities they are closer to the concept of anarchism than anything else, which is not that bad, but not ideal either, because even the "puiay baan" (village chief) is someone that can be corrupted and bought by higher ranks in the hierarchy after all s/he works for the state and all those people in the community are somehow under the umbrella..

The model of freedom cells may work pretty well when each municipality has at least one functional cell, connecting many municipalities all over a country for example, it is harder for authorities stop the concept in that case because they will never know exactly where we all are located and if it grows it will become even harder to contain. Freedom cells can be urban or rural and it is a peaceful way to demonstrate that we are not keen to live under their tyranny.

Anyway thanks for the post, very good points to think about. Each place is different adaptation is the key I think.

[shaberon]

Charitable Trust - I am not familiar with the term, do you mean something like a church or religious entity? Actually don't bother with that, I will do some research on it, thanks for pointing out.


No just a legal entity. But thanks for doing some homework on it. There should of course be challenges and independent verification to anything I say, and then you post back whether it is a horrible waste, or perhaps useful.

The 501c for religious businesses is just a tax status and has nothing to do with whether they use a Trust of any kind.




Regarding affecting a politician, or educating the public I really never believe much it was the way to change anything, it is a slow path, a tired one.


I might say we need a mix of both things.

One would like to have some quick answers, like in the 1930s, in the U. S. at least, we set up all kinds of work camps, which for example is how the Blue Ridge Parkway was made. That was governmental, or, in the words of some, Socialism.


Up until about that time, most people lived under the domain of "Dad was a shoemaker, so..."

But then what is the point of mobility? What was so bad about being the village shoemaker, just because that is what your family does??


Socio-economic deterioration did not used to happen like this. The American Revolution was probably inevitable after King George asked Benjamin Franklin how the colonies handled their poor houses. Franklin replied that they hadn't got any, because unemployment was virtually unheard of, because the colonies issued their own currency.

When you tell the King you are off his Pound, nothing good can come of it. But another issue was adding new subjects--the King could not do this. Bringing foreign subjects into the colonies required an Act of Parliament.


We are thinking a bit atavistically in terms of small, hands-on communities.

There may be some type of formula that can help gauge how many people have to put gardening work in --> harvest to surplus out.

Such things are finicky with nature, for instance, the 1930s dust bowl caused Oklahomans to try moving into California. They were turned away by armed police. This marks the beginning of "folk music" (Arlo Guthrie Sr. sings about this).

In the 30s, some Americans were put right to work, others lost their farms and were rejected by their neighbors.

The closest thing to stability that I can think of are the oldest businesses in the world, which are a few Japanese restaurants that have been passed down in families since the 600s. I don't think they were ordering from a warehouse distributor.

The amount of energy it takes to raise a single cow or pig is egregious compared to how much vegetarian food that could have provided. Fish, on the other hand, are pretty abundant until you poison the water.

You also mentioned "family and friends" which is to be expected--what about stragglers and nobodies? This is why I would suggest a common bond of culture is helpful. For instance around the Gospel era you had Ebionite Communes. You might not have to know anyone there, but, if you are agreeable to the way of life, you fit in. I kind of think we should auto-segregate ourselves based on cultural biases. A religion would be something like a private charity that helps you figure out how you want to talk and eat and so on, and you gravitate towards those like-minded individuals.

British map-making is the skill of dividing this for maximum conflict.

The State is the population within whatever map-drawn boundary it is in, like a herd in a fence. Kind of oblivious.

A culture has no boundaries, and in some cases can be sharply defined, such as when rice was shipped to Afghanistan. The reply was that Afghans eat bread, if you give them rice, they will starve. That sounds a bit severe, but it is an official literally complaining about free food, so there is probably a reason behind it.


Russian Sobornost (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobornost):


"spiritual community of many jointly-living people"

a sobor is also a churchly "gathering", "assemblage", or "council", reflecting the concept of the Christian Church as an "ecclesia"


is a relatively modern way of addressing this. It is trying to express the opposite of Western individualism and collectivism, i. e. we share so little culture everyone has to be unique, collectively united in a state for the economic principle that everyone eats. Sobornost is similar to Kenosis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosis); it retains freedom so there is of course individual diversity, but this is far less important than surrender to a set of common values, which are not collectivism, but the moral values such as love and spiritual seeking.


In America, "Anti-Federalist" was never really the name of anything, but, a blanket term imposed over those who favored "states' rights":


Perhaps the nationalists' most brilliant tactic in the battle of ideas ahead of them, however, was their decision to call themselves "Federalists" and their cause, "Federalism." The men behind the Constitution were not, of course, federalists at all. They were advocates of a strong national government whose authority diminished the independence of the states.

In Rhode Island, resistance against the Constitution was so strong that civil war almost broke out on July 4, 1788, when anti-federalist members of the Country Party led by Judge William West marched into Providence with over 1,000 armed protesters.

Some activists joined the Anti-Administration Party that James Madison and Thomas Jefferson were forming about 1790–91 to oppose the policies of Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton; this group soon became the Democratic-Republican Party. When Jefferson took office as the third president in 1801, he replaced Federalist appointees with Democratic-Republicans and sought to focus on issues that allowed the states to make more of their own decisions in matters. He also repealed the whiskey excise and other federal taxes, shut down some federal offices and broadly sought to change the fiscal system that Hamilton had created.



It is really this argument or view which continued effervescing for sixty years until the so-called "Civil War" came out of it, and hence, what some of us, at least, call Empire.

[palehorse]

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Hi Shaberon,

I dug into types of trust (wow so many) and it is more or less what I had in mind anyway, which goes against one very strong principle I have which is self-custody, they are actually in the opposite of each other, one require someone else as a relationship in order to trust the assets, the other one is handled by the person or a group which assume the custody on their own without a third party to trust. But I got the point, we can have our own Charity Trust while still practicing self custody. Sound win-win game for me.

But as you said to look into "Charitable Trust" and I did and came up with 2 types of Charitable Trust: Charitable Remainder Trusts (irrevocable) and Charitable Lead Trusts.. kind of complex subject to me not impossible to understand but time consuming, for what I read it is the sort of thing to set and go for life.

Thanks for clarifying about 501c for religious businesses.



What I meant by slow process is basically regarding our actions in the whole process, participate or not, join or not, or whatever.. after all it is our rights to decide to be part or not of something, anything else is some sort of slavery. I really mean it can slow the hell down of any individual, after all you become part of something that is corrupted in their very nature, it is very debatable and I know you would have all answer for that :)



"The amount of energy it takes to raise a single cow or pig is egregious compared to how much vegetarian food that could have provided. Fish, on the other hand, are pretty abundant until you poison the water."

From my very own experience working with my auntie's husband in the farm (they used to have a dairy farm), I was young but all these information still very fresh in my brain, we grew oat, corn and sugar cane to be used as feed for the cows and also for the horses, it is simple and take just a few steps (plough, plant, harvest, grind & ground and pack) and you have plenty of it in the end.. both for humans and cows and perhaps a little sales on the side. Kill two birds with one stones. It seems laborious from an outside perspective, but it is not when it is part of the farmers job.. my Auntie saved thousands of bucks doing that way, she actually bought industrialized feed once or twice, doing it yourself reduced the cost of feeding animals by 10 folds and gave them the opportunity to make some on the side too.


You also mentioned "family and friends" which is to be expected--what about stragglers and nobodies?

Yes so sorry about that, they would be included of course, my mistake not mentioning, something like WWOOF style but not limited to that (from the top of head) anyone could join such a thing, it must be interest from their side of course. But it all boil down to mind-like fellas living together, for example would be acceptable to live with an Hindu for example, despite his religious beliefs, if there was a common ground of agreement between everyone living in that tiny community or even in a large one, I don't see it is a religious sect or anything that way, that would be too much of a hassle to take care about, but definitely must be common rules for everyone abide.

The cultural aspect of it is the fact that culture can harm more than heal, once Terrence McKenna said "culture is your enemy", but understanding it is crucial to gravitate above it and not identify oneself with so much idiocracy, in other words communal living is not for everyone even though we think everyone could live communally speaking, but it again boil down to cultural values, in my view communities are an attempt to gravitate above it not necessarily creating more harmful culture but living as meaningful as possible, basically around the idea of KISS concept.

Anything we do is revolved around: shelter, food, clothing and healing (remedies) at least for commons nobody is trying to reach the stars and travel into the future. Billions of people has almost no interest in evolving in that way, they are just been pushed around, as humanity as a whole we didn't solved the basic problems and we are looking forward to evolve as a specie. I have to say for me it does not make any sense at all. We don't feed the people but we feed the machines.


There may be some type of formula that can help gauge how many people have to put gardening work in --> harvest to surplus out.

There is different types of blueprints in that regard, totally possible, as I mentioned we grew feed to cows and also for humans and the surplus was even sold to others (could barter on something too)..

As you mentioned in the 30's (great depression), I know cases of group of people went secluded that time and they remained for years until after things got better, it may be a solution for difficult times (fabricated or not) anyway, a community goes secluded and remains for as long as necessary, nomads comes to mind (move if necessary).. but it seems a bit of utopia in the days we are living, but make sense and was a reality at some point. By the way nobody is stopping anyone to go down south to the Chilean Andes and set their own village in a valley somewhere (legally or illegally), the eyes in the sky today are looking to the crowd in order to control it, they don't give a damn to a group of like-mind people escaping their system, and I believe they won't bother anyone that decided to do things on their own (some globalist said: let them try to escape and die on their own HAHA). It is primitive in so many ways, like I said seems like utopia, but we know it is possible, I am just trying to draw a clear line here for what is on both sides, one is about be self-sustainable living decentralized from everything we know in the grid (literally) and the other is dependable on the grid system. Apologies for my humble view on the subject, I am not trying to contradict what you have written here and to be frank it is quite a lot to digest in my case, but as I said the majority won't understand that either, and in my point of view I don't want to contribute to a system that is cold and want me dead, it isn't fair, I am not a machine and will never be, then I am up to whatever is coming and I will gladly not comply with any of their requests. My principle is give more than take, but if it is applied in the wrong way (like giving energy to the system when the systems gives nothing back) the cycle of moving energies is broken hence become useless and humans became drained (the system is a vampire).

Regarding Sobornost sounds good to me if there is a common agreement as I said previously.
"..middle way of co-operation between several opposing ideas.."



moral values such as love and spiritual seeking

exactly the point, it does not matter the religion/credo/culture/whatever if you think that everything out there that uses capitalism tends to create division and competition. You remove money from it and you see competition going away. Then you have people giving more than take from others, and that is the principle for example a community may live for. It may sound a bit "hypokrites" or contradicted in the sense of creating division among group of people, but when everything else failed what else could we really do beside going off that whole mess?


Many thanks for this post, I enjoyed very much reading and replying to it. Let's keep up the good intent we may come up with some blueprint of communal living, in fact I see many very good points here already.

[shaberon]

I was reminded of this topic today.

No, I don't know in each case exactly what kinds of financial entity is involved. Here is one fresh off the press about a guy just arrested (and bailed) for trafficking babies (https://southfront.org/legalized-sale-of-children-for-spare-parts-and-ukrainian-justice-why-did-court-release-transcarpathian-child-trafficker/):


He is presently the head of the “Heart With Love” charitable foundation...



A "most profitable business" which is more or less legalized:


Adopted at the end of December 2021, one of the points states that: “it is no longer necessary to notarize the written consent of a living donor or his relatives for transplantation. If documents are available, there is no need to confirm or authenticate signatures. It is also permitted to remove organs in this way, and from children also”.



But there is a major case study, which is what I had in mind rotating 180 degrees--Americares. First we try to read through a little of their own gush (https://www.wagmag.com/extraordinary-everyman-2/):


Working with Pope John Paul II in 1981, Americares airlifted more than $3.2 million in aid to Poland, then under martial law. Today, the organization is the leading nonprofit provider of medical programs and supplies to those suffering the effects of natural catastrophes and poverty, delivering more than $500 million in goods and services to all 50 states and more than 90 countries.

It’s had a long presence in Guatemala...



That, combined with ongoing suspicions of the SMOM (https://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg01426.html):


As a charitable non-governmental
organization with diplomatic immunity
in many countries...

As a sovereign entity controlled by a
handful of wealthy aristocrats and busi-
ness people, the Knights of Malta also
can-and often does-become a potent
instrument for covertly achieving political
and quasi-military goals which its mem-
bers could not hope to attain through
democratic methods.


That is from the 90s, also picked up by Russ Baker 2010 (https://russbaker.com/2010/05/21/a-thousand-points-of-blight/comment-page-1/).


It caused the career suicide of Hersh 2011 (https://www.salon.com/2011/02/28/seymour_hersh_whowhatwhy/).


Now we can just grab from a CIA (https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp90-00845r000100170004-5) wall of text:


Much of the $3.4 million in Americares' medical aid to Guatemala has been distributed through the armed forces as part of its resettlement program of "model villages" aimed at defeating leftist insurgents...


That story is humongous, reaching back to Operation Paperclip.

It is what I call "machine guns for nuns".

Absolutely jaw-dropping.

Well they do help some people for PR, but there is something in the water.

Why not take that same framework, but just turn it around into a local land-management process. I am terribly concerned about how we wind up housing-insecure because of the business model of raising property taxes. There's no relief. That kind of law *should* be repealed, but, that is not something a person can directly do. I am thinking of perhaps a mix of a commune with a halfway house. Something for permanent residents but also somewhere that a person in trouble could go, without a commitment of permanency.

It is complicated. I can think of reasons to keep early 1900s technology, such as a washing machine and refrigeration. I can't think of a reason to keep early 2000s technology with smart buttons that break, and electronic controls without any mechanical override. A lot of that junk is just ways to make things more expensive. This house has an optical stove--messed up in ways that a basic model would never do. No two light fixtures are the same. I broke one when commanded to pull the bulb. So we just let them go out! The fancy sink faucet froze itself in position. Nothing is upgraded, things have been made weaker and worse.

Yes, of course it is physically possible to raise enough crop to feed one's own livestock. Have you heard of a hog lagoon? Sometimes they burst. If we look at a place that has ten thousand hogs, the amount of energy and material put into that is really significant. Then we pay a premium for organic produce, since the industry is no longer keyed to support that. You probably shouldn't have to go through a process and get a special "organic certificate", that should be standard, and if you don't, your product ought to be labeled "contaminated".

I doubt I really have any new ideas, more like rejections of new ones. If we ask ourselves what has really been improved during our lifetimes, do we have anything to say? The internet is nice, but, it doesn't need much beyond 486 tech to be effective.

[Ewan]

I've been following along throughout this thread and it just occurred to me that both of you, Shab & PH, would probably enjoy a book I am currently close to finishing. The author lays into the methods/madness of industrialised farming and points out, successfully, there is always a better way.

https://archive.org/details/folksthisaintnor0000sala

https://img1.od-cdn.com/ImageType-400/0017-1/5A8/772/3D/%7B5A87723D-6C56-4144-8579-2B8BC67AFC8D%7DImg400.jpg

Edit:
An amusing/horrifying little snippet from the book tells of an intern who was working at the farm and met a Canadian girl, they got on well and decided to marry. When this intern travelled to Canada to meet/wed his girlfriend border control challenged his occupation. He had put 'Farmer' and the guard did not accept that was a valid occupation.

[shaberon]

The author lays into the methods/madness of industrialised farming and points out, successfully, there is always a better way.


That is doubly good because Archive doesn't need a subscription or anything like that.


I would like to get involved with "local production", not necessarily farming, but there is everything involved behind "farm to table" restaurants, and the production of various goods and the retail related to them. There should be this whole chain of events, but so far I have never been able to work in those kinds of places; or, I did one time, which was brief since I did not know the company was in bankruptcy. This type of movement exists, but so far it is not really big enough to outpace chain production, which makes it difficult for me to say that there are places I want to work or live. I suppose we are discussing a vision about how to turn this around.


Our other house is across the street from not just a hog lagoon but chickens. Every 55 days the trucks roll at about 4.30 a. m., and there is one every fifteen minutes usually until eight or nine in the evening. Imagine what those jobs and facilities are like. These go into big plants, I think it is Purdue, where the plant has something like fifty-five of these operations in driving distance, so the trucks have somewhere to go every day.

When I look around, if these people didn't have chickens, they sell mud, sand, trees, grass, and pine needles, at volume.

The boutique sources for peaches or milk or whatever for local markets are miniscule in comparison. Those chickens could be frozen and shipped to Ohio, who knows.

If one were to argue that industrialization took multiple generations to wipe out traditional lifestyles, then, yes, it probably could take generations to possibly break it down where more people could be working with their local milk and peaches in small venues.

[palehorse]

I was reminded of this topic today.

No, I don't know in each case exactly what kinds of financial entity is involved. Here is one fresh off the press about a guy just arrested (and bailed) for trafficking babies (https://southfront.org/legalized-sale-of-children-for-spare-parts-and-ukrainian-justice-why-did-court-release-transcarpathian-child-trafficker/):


He is presently the head of the “Heart With Love” charitable foundation...



A "most profitable business" which is more or less legalized:


Adopted at the end of December 2021, one of the points states that: “it is no longer necessary to notarize the written consent of a living donor or his relatives for transplantation. If documents are available, there is no need to confirm or authenticate signatures. It is also permitted to remove organs in this way, and from children also”.



But there is a major case study, which is what I had in mind rotating 180 degrees--Americares. First we try to read through a little of their own gush (https://www.wagmag.com/extraordinary-everyman-2/):


Working with Pope John Paul II in 1981, Americares airlifted more than $3.2 million in aid to Poland, then under martial law. Today, the organization is the leading nonprofit provider of medical programs and supplies to those suffering the effects of natural catastrophes and poverty, delivering more than $500 million in goods and services to all 50 states and more than 90 countries.

It’s had a long presence in Guatemala...



That, combined with ongoing suspicions of the SMOM (https://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg01426.html):


As a charitable non-governmental
organization with diplomatic immunity
in many countries...

As a sovereign entity controlled by a
handful of wealthy aristocrats and busi-
ness people, the Knights of Malta also
can-and often does-become a potent
instrument for covertly achieving political
and quasi-military goals which its mem-
bers could not hope to attain through
democratic methods.


That is from the 90s, also picked up by Russ Baker 2010 (https://russbaker.com/2010/05/21/a-thousand-points-of-blight/comment-page-1/).


It caused the career suicide of Hersh 2011 (https://www.salon.com/2011/02/28/seymour_hersh_whowhatwhy/).


Now we can just grab from a CIA (https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp90-00845r000100170004-5) wall of text:


Much of the $3.4 million in Americares' medical aid to Guatemala has been distributed through the armed forces as part of its resettlement program of "model villages" aimed at defeating leftist insurgents...


That story is humongous, reaching back to Operation Paperclip.

It is what I call "machine guns for nuns".

Absolutely jaw-dropping.



Nothing much to say about all that mess, I heard some of that but you posted a nice chain of information, thanks.




Well they do help some people for PR, but there is something in the water.


They use these front organizations to do their nasty thing, that is no surprise at wall, it is like the mis/dis info we have today, they drop some truths in mix to make it look credible when in reality it is all garbage to confuse.. but yes back to front organizations, there is a good website to track down these organizations, a bit of leg work but if it is really important it can be reliable. I used them when registering an offshore shelf company for a gambling company a while ago. You have Panama Papers, Pandora Papers, Paradise Papers, Russia Archive, and a few more, some under the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (The ICIJ - https://www.icij.org/). All these investigations started decades ago, but only about 1 decade ago it got fueled up and leaked thousands of wealth filth in all industries all around the world, and guess what? nothing happened as usual, they always have a great explanation for everything. When I was "dealing" a shelf company in Delaware US I got one in the list (rotten apple) because I was checking them all to know their history of activities, shelf companies can have a very dark and sinister history, must be aware before purchasing it. What you wrote above I think it fits in "Shadow diplomats" a term used to describe these people, they are usually involved with very nasty things, from human trafficking, arms trafficking to terrorism financiers (here is a few of them https://www.icij.org/investigations/shadow-diplomats/controversial-honorary-consuls-profiles/).

It is very extensive subject anyway, here is what I used to check for bad apples before purchasing and I made that clear for the attorneys I had dealt with, that it was not acceptable to buy a shelf company with dark history, one of the attorney disconnected his number after the conversation (some was using skype numbers too), and I will tell you it is quite easy to find these scam bags online (they promote their businesses), I have a list of them.

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/

I grew disenchanted with this idea of society controlled by corporations, most are fraudulent, have extremely bad practices and so on.. we just can't rely on them, that is the whole focus why I decided to start the thread "starve the beast" in hope to collect as much as possible information about all sort of things related to this nefarious system of deceive. Must be a way out or maybe I am just delusional lol




Why not take that same framework, but just turn it around into a local land-management process. I am terribly concerned about how we wind up housing-insecure because of the business model of raising property taxes. There's no relief. That kind of law *should* be repealed, but, that is not something a person can directly do. I am thinking of perhaps a mix of a commune with a halfway house. Something for permanent residents but also somewhere that a person in trouble could go, without a commitment of permanency.



That sounds like a way to avoid this tax burden, here is the question, could you change it into charitable? I know if you got already all the infra-structure in place could be hard, but maybe you donate your land to your own Charitable Trust? :)

Here is something that may interest others, this is my experience because I have land in my home country and the time when it belonged to my ancestors it was a full run farm/business, but since my old folks already passed, now all I have is the land, the main wood house was torn apart and removed, the barn/warehouse too and a few more capital improvements were sold (things like vehicles, machines, animals, trees(timber), etc) and the land now is registered as bare land and tax is on the value of the land only, no capital improvements on it, tax is as low as it should be, but that was done like that because I am not living in there and nobody actually is living in there or taking care of the place. I think it is called LVT or something like that. the trick here is: building mobile homes (tiny homes), parking a trailer, or natural building (cob tiny houses for instance), would not be included in the annual tax paying scheme, also you don't have to tell them every little thing you do in your land, is it illegal? then be it. :) If I even go back to my home country that would definitely be the plan.





It is complicated. I can think of reasons to keep early 1900s technology, such as a washing machine and refrigeration. I can't think of a reason to keep early 2000s technology with smart buttons that break, and electronic controls without any mechanical override. A lot of that junk is just ways to make things more expensive. This house has an optical stove--messed up in ways that a basic model would never do. No two light fixtures are the same. I broke one when commanded to pull the bulb. So we just let them go out! The fancy sink faucet froze itself in position. Nothing is upgraded, things have been made weaker and worse.



Absolutely low-tech, there was an experiment in Japan circa 2010, the group was able to live very well for around 1 year only using low-tech, they had no electricity, they preserved meat with smoke, it was a full experiment and people improved their health too after it. Yes it works, just like it worked for our ancestors.



Yes, of course it is physically possible to raise enough crop to feed one's own livestock. Have you heard of a hog lagoon? Sometimes they burst. If we look at a place that has ten thousand hogs, the amount of energy and material put into that is really significant. Then we pay a premium for organic produce, since the industry is no longer keyed to support that. You probably shouldn't have to go through a process and get a special "organic certificate", that should be standard, and if you don't, your product ought to be labeled "contaminated".



Yes they also call it pink lagoon, it can be done with chickens as well when the chicken coop is placed a meter or so higher above the pond, works well for what I know. There is many attacks from mainstream into this practice of hog lagoons, you are right they would label as not only contaminated but worse. What about doing it in small scale? I personally would go with a "home made" version of biodigester, the byproduct anyway would be the fertilizer, but also the biogas, just would have to figure out how to collect and store it properly.
There was attempt to turn a hog lagoon into a massive biodigester, but cost was prohibitive.

https://www.interraglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/What-is-a-Biodigester-01-1024x417.png



I doubt I really have any new ideas, more like rejections of new ones. If we ask ourselves what has really been improved during our lifetimes, do we have anything to say? The internet is nice, but, it doesn't need much beyond 486 tech to be effective.




I fully agree. We can improve in personal terms but as a community it is much difficult (specially when almost all forces are against), all it takes is a few mind-like do things in the right direction to change and eventually set the example, break the paradigm once again improving and so on.. is a lot of energy and since most people think in terms of money, most of amazing projects will never go out from paper and computers because for sure it is not profitable, unfortunately.

Egalitarianism comes to mind, but it does not apply to the super wealth. Egalitarian society for the peasants, the word itself is a very trick one and much used nowadays, so we have to be careful, because each individual has their own moral and legal standing, their own abilities, their own talents and so forth and so on.. there is no way the NWO set it as 1 standard for all (one shoes size fits all). That will never happen.

I think more in terms of living without competing with others because surplus is what we need to create and not otherwise (taking from) and once we do it, the cycle starts, there is no mistake, we just can't see that right now because capitalism smoked and polluted everything everywhere.

[palehorse]

I've been following along throughout this thread and it just occurred to me that both of you, Shab & PH, would probably enjoy a book I am currently close to finishing. The author lays into the methods/madness of industrialised farming and points out, successfully, there is always a better way.

https://archive.org/details/folksthisaintnor0000sala

https://img1.od-cdn.com/ImageType-400/0017-1/5A8/772/3D/%7B5A87723D-6C56-4144-8579-2B8BC67AFC8D%7DImg400.jpg

Edit:
An amusing/horrifying little snippet from the book tells of an intern who was working at the farm and met a Canadian girl, they got on well and decided to marry. When this intern travelled to Canada to meet/wed his girlfriend border control challenged his occupation. He had put 'Farmer' and the guard did not accept that was a valid occupation.

Thanks Ewan, seems like interesting one.

WTF farmer not an occupation? I would reply to this officer, is your occupation of pushing paper better than my occupation? lol

[shaberon]

That sounds like a way to avoid this tax burden, here is the question, could you change it into charitable? I know if you got already all the infra-structure in place could be hard, but maybe you donate your land to your own Charitable Trust? :)


Something like that. I am surrounded by miles of woods owned by a Trust. Towards the south are various clearcuts and burns, with stocked and non-restocked growth, which is some kind of long-term land management research. Towards the north, the military uses is for School of the Americas-type SALT training. They actually own the house next door, which has no markers like
"federal property" or "U. S. Army", nothing. Just like a normal house.

Since I don't personally own anything, I have not been able to do anything like folding the property into an indirect ownership, or operating a 501c on it, and if I ever did something like that, it will be pretty far down the road. It is just a few ideas that maybe someone else could actually apply.


Most of the tax is for the house, the land is kind of cheap. Usually a trailer or mobile home is a "vehicle" registered with the DoT, and not considered a fixed appurtenance, therefor not added to property tax.




I think more in terms of living without competing with others because surplus is what we need to create and not otherwise (taking from) and once we do it, the cycle starts, there is no mistake, we just can't see that right now because capitalism smoked and polluted everything everywhere.



Same. A lot of the information I post is just the precursor to what you put, i. e. in modern times, such as Panama Papers and the various tracking services that help identify who is scratching who's back. I look at it in terms of precedents and then later propaganda which usually distorts it.

For example on the no-compete thing, HPB was probably the first one to explain in the English language how western education is based on competition, while the east teaches cooperation; in many ways we are just re-cycling what she said, in a more technologcially-intricate manner. Such as Delaware being the main first place that allowed corporations to register themselves with a Post Office Box for an address--they set an example which would now appear common place, accepted, like there is no other way.

That itself is a redux of the Bank of England starting the web of offshore tax havens in the Carribean, still ongoing.

Income and property taxes are completely non-productive and ought to be repealed.

Even if Social Security "is" socialism, it is a fairly minor expense, that you get paid back, whereas most of those other taxes are taken hostage for something you do not agree with.



Here are a few long-standing fraudulent charities:


American Medical Association

American Cancer Society

American Legion


True, one could pencil in 2020-2021 the Florida church which sold floor cleaner as a Covid cure...if they could do that, seems like someone hasn't processed the hundred-year-old information yet.

Once you look at those big, easy-to-remember names, then your suspicion level grows high, and you are less likely to be blindsided by the onslaught of new claimants to the throne.

[palehorse]

Today, a Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Malawi and Liberland through a special arm of the Liberland Aid Foundation. This Memorandum signifies the recognition of our country as a valid and worthy diplomatic and economic partner for the African State.

~~~

Beside this news, also Colombia recognize officially the Liberland passport, Liberland are also in advanced talking with Pakistan and The Philipines. This is a good example of how a society can build international recognition without territory. These are necessary stepping stones to securing freedom for the people of Liberland. Thanks for the FYI palehorse!



As ‚Liberland‘ for example has been mentioned several times, I took a look at their website out of curiosity. Sounds promising at first glance. Then I went to the biographies of people who are representatives of Liberland in many states around the world. There it started getting a bit nightmarish. Take a close look, it‘s interesting. Tells you a lot. Not sure if I really want to know the exact purpose and agendas of such socalled ‚micronations‘.

Just a few examples.
Representative office of Liberland in
Austria: Anna Riedl https://www.weforum.org/people/anna-riedl
Germany: Kolja Spöri https://germany.liberland.org/en/
Russia: Andrey Voronkov https://voronkov.io/en/about
UK:Tariq Abbasi https://uk.liberland.org/en/


Extending a bit further on this Liberland topic (I think it alone would do a great thread), I found this video today, it was posted 8 days ago on Liberland Official YT Channel

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The video is short direct to the point, only 1:56

It is about Liberland opening a new embassy in Mexico. The thing is Jeff Berwick will be the ambassador LOL

For what I know which is almost nothing about him, I just took the time to listen some of his videos to learn more about his intentions, he seems to run a large crypto operation with Dollar Vigilante.. he was the founder of Anarcapulco, he is Canadian but he lives in Mexico.. first I heard about him many years ago, was not good at all, people were saying to be scammed by him and many were calling the dude a con man.. anyway, I never follow anything about him at all, I won't judge it, I am just posting the news about Liberland, seems like they are moving faster than I previously imagined.


Just a short update about Liberland...

8th birthday of Liberland, here is the video of the celebration.

SNEAKING Into A BANNED Country
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seems a bit like theater to me, but the boot in the chest by the Croatian police man at the end when they set foot on the river island, seems real haha the video got 5mil subscribers in 3 days, right now it has 7mil which is quite a lot I think for something that isn't very popular (ask anyone around if they want to go to Liberland LOL)

Another propaganda!

[palehorse]

Life is easy. Why do we make it so hard? | Jon Jandai | TEDxDoiSuthep
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It is a 12 years old video, very simple and practical ideas for everyone.

[palehorse]

Another video from Jon Jandai on preparedness.

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[palehorse]

Here is a recap of these 2 posts I made previously and it falls into the category of shelter:

EARTHBAG "BLUEPRINT"
Thread link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120017-Starve-the-beast-solutions&p=1535391&viewfull=1#post1535391

EARTHSHIP "BLUEPRINT"
Thread link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120017-Starve-the-beast-solutions&p=1534711&viewfull=1#post1534711

Shelters are usually separated into these 3 categories: Temporary, Semi-permanent and Permanent (mobile or rooted), but it is a huge topic on its own, so here is just a few more that are widely available on internet for research, shelter is a priceless skill to have, so understand how to build that properly is a big plus in life.


Wood shack/cabin
Igloo
Caravan (AKA motor home)
Tiny home
Shipping container
Cob houses (similar to earth bag above)
Teepees (American Indian Style)
Bamboo house
Adobe houses (The Pueblo style)
Yurt



Here I will extend into another basic necessity: "food & medicine" I think these 2 items should be one and only one category and not how it is classified today separated, after all food is medicine. :)

As we know our basic essential necessities are:

Shelter
Food
water
medicines (some extends it to health care, but I am not getting into it because it always involves institutions/profit)
clothing

There is books, papers and opinions out there saying it should be extended to: transportation, sanitation, education and healthcare (as I mentioned above). I recognize the importance of these items, but in my humble opinion the measurement of these items aren't fare, you just can't compare a lifestyle of an indigenous tribe in Africa or South America with the life of anyone living in a big city in Europe or America or elsewhere to be frank.. so I will stick with the 5 items in the list only, the rest is all about having a good sense and manage the situation as it seems fit (your own standard operating procedures).


Farming with science or farming with nature or both ways when applicable

Farming in the natural way includes understanding a few points in depth but not limited to that only:

cultivation - every time you plow the soil it deplete the soil in a long term, mono crops is a soil killer.
fertilizer - unless natural fertilizes it will pollute the soil leaving chemical trails.
weed - on the contrary with the mainstream thinking, weed is good for the soil, it enriches the soil, it also used to recovery already depleted soils.
pesticides - it causes pollution in the long run, not beneficial at all unless it is a natural one.

If we follow the natural order to establish our food source, we will also follow the natural diet which is interconnected anyway leading to optimal health. It is all a cycle connected with earth/gaia.


The question that many world wide ask, how can we feed the world rapid growing population? First I am not so sure it is rapid growing, I would say with the poison campaign going on I would say it is rapidly decreasing now. But anyway how can we feed the hunger?
That is how I see it, feel free to disagree, since the introduction of mega cities and it comes from ancient times, people were mentally trapped inside it and they believe everything their masters say, I won't debate to that because it is a huge waste of time, the solution is simple, for those who sees it, get out from mega cities and start a new life where you are in control of your thoughts, authority will always gives more focus in their large controlled environment, they just don't care to the little folks living on their own, they can pass laws and regulations for forbid people of doing this and that, but in the end of the day the option to be a slave or free is ours (most laws are meaningless). You do it small and you don't broadcast widely open (e.g. youtubers), do for yourself for your family and friends, isn't that enough? I understand some people want attention and they love to show themselves as smart and ultimately doing stuffs online for money, but this subject is serious, is about our sovereignty, our survival, our privacy, our liberties and so on, it isn't a reality show.

I recommend reading the book I added in the reference bellow, it covers basically everything from start to maintenance, using as less work as possible.

Here is the book The Natural Way of Farming by "Masanobu Fukuoka"
https://ia800306.us.archive.org/18/items/The-Natural-Way-of-Farming/The-Natural-Way-of-Farming.pdf


I will finish this post with this quote:

"Man prides himself on being the only creature on earth with the ability to think. He claims to know himself and the natural world, and believes he can use nature as he pleases. He is convinced, moreover, that intelligence is strength, that anything he desires is within his reach."
-- Masanobu Fukuoka

[Lunesoleil]

He had put 'Farmer' and the guard did not accept that was a valid occupation.

my childhood memories which rise to the surface of consciousness, especially when we begin to relate moments which precisely nourished my youth.

I replaced the “Caillebotte” of old with Lebanese cream, but that doesn’t really give the same result. The men were entitled to the “trempine” it also bears the name Miget and it was appreciated especially when it was very hot and they were coming back from working in the fields. We can call it a sweet soup, this name loses its origin from the Vendéen dialect.

Those days are completely gone, because a large family rarely meets today of the same lineage, parents and brothers and sisters except perhaps during a family reunion with grandparents, parents, children and grandchildren , is very rarely done today and it would require a lot of expense if you don't have a garden and livestock, chickens, rabbits, sheep, pigs etc...

I experienced that, my mother was passing the majority of his time cooking. To say that the number was there, and it lasted around ten years after the birth of my last sister. My mother put fried mojette (white beans) on the table every day which, reheated several times, became delicious, plus the meal of the day. We also cooked with pig and I can't tell you the blood sausages with real little pieces of fat inside, you will no longer find them in the butchers' display and which we made shine on the table with a rind of pig, in the whites my mother put milk coming from the udder of the cow in the morning with eggs and in the blacks pig's blood. It was not industrialized cooking at all, it was for our personal consumption. The food reserves were transposed into the freezer, in jars.

My parents, already at the time lived in the old way and they had children to have staff available certainly to go to the fields and at the time did not think at all about our future outside the farm, we lived in a sort of family business, we call it today a micro business, withdrawn into ourselves within the family clan in self-sufficiency, because we produced for ourselves apart from the photographer to whom we had to deliver two liters of milk per week at his store.

Almost everyone had their work task, a sister took care of feeding the pig with leftover food but also grain that was cooked with potatoes in an old cauldron fueled with wood and other rubbish to burn, a brother took care of the garden in which tomatoes were grown after a large trench where the toilets located at the edge of the garden were emptied. That's what life was like on a farm in the old days, we didn't do anything fussy at all and we had everything at our disposal.

One sister took care of feeding the poultry, another brother the rabbits and guinea pigs with which we once made pâté, there were also two sisters to milk the cows morning and evening and in the summer we had to dedicate to take them to the pastures via the road two or three kilometers from the farm. My father took care of sheep and bees, his passion, part of the honey was sold to a cooperative and he made these hives himself, there was no question of royal jelly at that time... We went once a year to the seaside by taxi, because there were no cars and my mother went to do her shopping almost every day by bike which had two large panniers hanging on it. Then the cars arrived and my mother once a week would go shopping with one of my brothers.

It was another era within an era, we had neighbors with whom we often spoke, a Dutch family, the father was a pastor, then one day they left...

[palehorse]

Today I came across this video when searching for ways to store natural gas, it is kinda of hilarious but also great solutions for difficult times, I am not so sure if I would like to cook with a huge bag of gas over my head.. anyway food for thought haha Pakistani solutions!

The video consist of:


1st part - how to store gas into bags. (until 7 min mark)
2nd part - how to mill grains using your own car if you don't have electricity (same principle with old tractors). (from 7 min to 11:30)
3rd part - how to fabricate your own stove (genial piece of art) (from 11:30 to 15:35)
Last part is about what seems to be a small Japanese factory, I am not sure if that is moji or something else.. but it seems delicious and they are selling well haha



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[ozmirage]

Citizenship was, is and ever shall be voluntary in these united States under the promised republican form of government.
Voluntary in the sense that Jefferson's "consent of the governed" was the Revolutionary Oath.
In the Constitution, considering its date, it says the President must have been a "resident" for fourteen years, since there was nothing to have been a "citizen" of in 1773--and that changes for the shorter requirements of the other offices.
This matter was settled in the first election to the House of Representatives of
Smith 1789 (https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-12-02-0115):
...I must own that I feel myself at liberty to decide, that Mr. Smith was a citizen at the declaration of independence, a citizen at the time of his election, and consequently entitled to a seat in this legislature.

Cong. Register description begins Thomas Lloyd, comp., The Congressional Register; or, History of the Proceedings and Debates of the First House of Representatives … (2 vols.; New York, 1789; Evans 22203–4). description ends , I, 391–95. The House decided overwhelmingly in favor of Smith. Many years later JM recalled this contested election when composing his essay on sovereignty (“Sovereignty,” [1835], Madison, Writings [Hunt ed.] description begins Gaillard Hunt., ed., The Writings of James Madison (9 vols.; New York, 1900–1910). description ends , IX, 570).

He was challenged because of not having taken an oath, and was determined (overwhelmingly) to be a citizen simply by living.

Having received this form of rebuke, the accuser wrote an apologetic tract on the current views in Ramsay 1789 (https://static1.squarespace.com/static/590be125ff7c502a07752a5b/t/62af88a807a9130c8574a07a/1655670957827/Ramsay%2C+David%2C+A+Dissertation+on+the+Manners+of+Acquiring+the+Character+and+Privileges+of+a+Citi zen+of+the+United+States.pdf):

...citizens possess
in their own right original sovereignty.
There is also a great difference between citizens, and
inhabitants or residents.
Any person living within a country or state, is an
inhabitant of it, or resident in it.
Negroes are inhabitants, but not citizens. Citizenship
confers a right of voting at elections, and many other privileges not enjoyed by those who are no more than inhabitants...

That is exactly how it started. There is no second "republican form of government", a phrase without meaning.

Find any examples of a period-appropriate person or group who realized Jefferson was secretly protecting some special group who were wise enough to not "give consent".

It's not possible because they were all removed from the physical space.

One argument against the Articles is that the phrase you quoted effectively means a slave--inhabitant (sovereign American national in your words) in one state could cross a border and be treated as a citizen in the next.

Other state documents at the time interchange "subject" for "citizen"--same thing.

One has to voluntarily surrender something in order to not be in the "state of nature", meaning without government.

The Supreme Court ruled in favor of citizenship by birthright in 1830. In 1853, it was noted that an Austrian refugee who had been living and working in the United States for a number of years was a national, but not a citizen.
Here are some relevant Decisions (https://fam.state.gov/fam/08fam/08fam010203.html):
a. The decision in Murray v. The Charming Betsy, 6 U.S. 64 (1804), demonstrates the Court's early understanding that all persons born in the United States were U.S. citizens, despite the fact that the individual at issue in the case had lived most of his life outside the country.

b. In the case of Inglis v. Trustees of Sailor's Snug Harbor, 28 U.S. 99 (1830), the Court faced the question of whether a man born in New York State in 1776 was a U.S. citizen and therefore able to inherit real property. In doing so, the Court resolved complicated questions of how citizenship had been acquired during the Revolutionary War. The court found that those present on U.S. soil at the Declaration of Independence or born thereafter were presumed to be citizens, but the presumption of citizenship was rebutted upon a showing of intent to remain a British subject.

Those are not turns of phrase construed out-of-context from some speech, it is Congress and the Supreme Court in some of their very first actions.

In general terms, Jefferson was a devotee of "agrarian economy", a platform continued by Andrew Jackson, against national banking.

Hamilton was a devotee of Wall Street, a platform continued by Whigs/Republicans such as Lincoln, who let in a national bank and for the first time began loading it with Treasury Bonds, a practice that has remained in place ever since.

I have searched for the first instance of anyone using the "revoke consent" argument, and it was 1953, and not very pretty.

Washington, Jefferson, and the revolutionaries were not risking their lives so that some unknown group could celebrate the mystery of being wise enough not to consent. That is specious.

None of them were fighting "for" the Constitution, which already has such bad issues that Rhode Island resisted it with 1,000 armed men. It is too risky about moving power to the federal level in a way that favors the Wall Street faction. All of its early debates were filled with "states' rights" issues, which continued to come up through the 1800s, until Lincoln answered that too, by having one goal, preserving the union.

If "perpetual" Articles can be repealed and replaced by a "non-perpetual" Constitution, obviously that body of law can meet the same fate. It must be "the Beast", as many of its early challengers described. Unfortunately, most of the historical review guides us to the ten Amendments called the Bill of Rights, neglecting the fact that there were about thirty other proposed amendments on the subject of limiting federal power.

The main justification for the Articles would be that, for example, the state militia of Georgia would not travel and take action in New Jersey, and so by having the first Congress, agreements were reached so that those such as Washington could muster new forces that were highly mobile. The Constitution is such that state militias were slowly depleted and we were given a large standing federal army, which would have been abhorrent to Jefferson, and was one of the main arguments against ratifying the thing.

As I see it, the serious issues are against, question the benefit of, and would "alter or abolish" the Constitution.

I suppose many others see it as a "defining source of freedom" and "that which is to be preserved at all costs". Seems to me that this operates under the "threat" mentality; I need to be under the same government as someone in Idaho, because we are both about to be invaded by Swaziland. If Idaho disagrees, it does not really matter, since the Constitution provides ways for some states to oppress others.
Citizens, by definition are NOT sovereigns. In fact, there is NO court case nor law that I could find wherein it stated that.
I can find several that mention that PEOPLE ARE SOVEREIGNS. It is a common mistake to assume that citizens = people.
In reality, they are mutually exclusive groups.
How do we know this?
Under the republican form, where ALL MEN are created equal and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure, they cannot be compelled to train, fight, and die on command.

WHEREAS, all citizens have militia duty (as determined by law) among other duties.

It was “the LAW” from day one.
Geo.Wash. Sums it up nicely in 1783 - long before the constitution
. . .
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
IN SHORT, NO citizen has any endowed right to life, liberty or private property, since he OWES a duty to the STATE, to defend it and pay for it. Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

. . . .
CONSENT OF THE CITIZENRY
“ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.”
- - - City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944
https://casetext.com/case/city-of-dallas-v-mitchell-1
. . .
The rights of the individual / national / non-citizen / inhabitant / non-resident are not derived from government, but are Creator endowed... (i.e., republican form of government)
But once consent to be governed is granted, via citizenship, that endowment has been surrendered / waived by the citizenry. Why? Because mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, etc, etc. That’s the consequence of migrating to their [socialist] democratic form of government, where a majority can legally persecute a minority... or tax the snot out of them.
It’s been part of the law since day one. Did you miss the part in the Declaration where they pledged “their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor”? All citizens are presumed to have made that same pledge. That’s how conscription / militia duty is 100% constitutional and not a violation of rights and liberties... “Volunteers” don’t have any.
. . .
"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
. . .
GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE SOVEREIGN
>>>||||||<<<
“It will be sufficient to observe briefly that the sovereignties in Europe, and particularly in England, exist on feudal principles. That system considers the Prince as the sovereign, and the people as his subjects; it regards his person as the object of allegiance, and excludes the idea of his being on an equal footing with a subject, either in a court of justice or elsewhere... No such ideas obtain here; at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the PEOPLE, and they are truly the SOVEREIGNS of the country, but they are SOVEREIGNS WITHOUT SUBJECTS, and have none to govern but themselves[.]
“From the differences existing between feudal sovereignties and governments founded on compacts, it necessarily follows that their respective prerogatives must differ. Sovereignty is the right to govern; a nation or State sovereign is the person or persons in whom that resides. In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the [sovereign] people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign [THE PEOPLE] in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns."
- - - Justice John Jay in Chisholm v. Georgia (2 U.S. 419 (1793))
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/2/419#writing-USSC_CR_0002_0419_Z

Who are the sovereigns served by the servant government?
The PEOPLE !

Who serve the government?
The CITIZENS.

People have rights & powers.
Citizens have privileges & immunities.

Until you grasp that, you will be hornswoggled by the legal sleaze.

HOW do they write laws that do not apply to the SOVEREIGN PEOPLE?

A 'PERSON' IS NOT A SOVEREIGN
"In common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, [and] statutes employing the [word] are ordinarily construed to exclude it."

Wilson v. Omaha Indian Tribe, 442 U.S. 653, 667, 61 L.Ed2. 153, 99 S.Ct. 2529 (1979)
(quoting United States v. Cooper Corp. 312 U.S. 600, 604, 85 L.Ed. 1071, 61S.Ct. 742 (1941)).

"A Sovereign cannot be named in any statute as merely a 'person' or 'any person'".
Wills v. Michigan State Police, 105 L.Ed. 45 (1989)

“. . . A sovereign is not a person in a legal sense” In re Fox, 52 N. Y. 535, 11 Am. Rep. 751; U.S. v. Fox, 94 U.S. 315, 24 L. Ed. 192
All "PERSONS" (subjects / slaves) can be born citizens. All people (sovereigns) cannot.

Why?
Because all mandatory civic duties derive from "voluntary" citizenship.

Title 10 USC Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of ALL ABLE-BODIED MALES at least 17 years of age and, ... under 45 years of age who are ... CITIZENS of the United States ...
The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, militia, on the jury, etc." In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

(If they’re not involuntary servitude, they MUST be voluntary. But they only apply to citizens. Did someone forget to tell us how and when we volunteered?)

If one is liable for militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command - certainly no longer has any right to life and liberty. That's been the law since day one.

In short, citizenship is 100% voluntary lest mandatory civic duties become INVOLUNTARY servitude, banned by the republican form, by the Declaration of Independence, and the 13th amendment.


{BTW - there is only one nation on Earth with a republican form, where the people are the sovereigns. Ironically, not 1 in 100,000 Americans can accurately define it, nor its source and origin. Kudos to the world's greatest propaganda ministry.}

[ozmirage]

[1]
Most of the tax is for the house, the land is kind of cheap. Usually a trailer or mobile home is a "vehicle" registered with the DoT, and not considered a fixed appurtenance, therefor not added to property tax.

[2] Income and property taxes are completely non-productive and ought to be repealed.

[3] Even if Social Security "is" socialism, it is a fairly minor expense, that you get paid back, whereas most of those other taxes are taken hostage for something you do not agree with.
[1] All ad valorem taxes ("property taxes") are limited to real estate held with qualified ownership. Whereas absolute ownership of private property is not taxable. In fact, only private property ownership is explicitly protected in all state and federal constitutions.
There are no requirements for inhabitants (non residents) to register their private property, nor get permission (license) to own, possess or use such property.

[2] No government instituted to secure endowed rights can tax them. Thus all taxes are limited to government privileges - which are all voluntary. Therefore, it matters not if the taxation is with or without representation, fair, equitable, etc, etc.

[3] Socialist Insecurity is the legal basis for a host of abominations (inc. the recent Obamacare scam). And it is NOT insurance - at least not for the participant. In Helvering v. Davis and Flemming v. Nestor, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are simply taxes and convey no property or contractual rights to Social Security benefits. And that benefits are entirely at the discretion of Congress. Frankly, it was a "tax and bribe" scam to cover up imposing a new tax in the midst of the Great Depression.

The only real insurance is a plot of land you absolutely own, work and provide sustenance for you and yours.

Example of a 90% self sufficient garden enterprise on 3/4 acre in the high desert of western Colorado.

https://youtu.be/i5yUPau-F1c

Apparently there is no livestock or animal protein sources in the video - though there might be.

[ozmirage]

Homework assignment for those who are just starting to "read law for themselves."
...
Determine the (legal) difference between the following pairs:
1. national v. citizen
2. sovereign v. subject
3. individual v. person
4. inhabitant v. resident
5. domicile v. residence
6. natural liberty v. civil liberty
7. personal liberty v. political liberty
8. private property v. estate (real and personal property)
9. absolute ownership v. qualified ownership
...
If you do not know the legal difference, you will not understand what has happened to the United States of America and the republican form of government promised to the American people. (See: Art.4, Sec.4, USCON)

{When you check your own state’s constitution and laws, pay attention to trigger words : inhabitant, domicile, private property, common law, natural liberty, personal liberty, rights, powers, immunities, and sovereignty. Pay attention to the obligated party identified in the statute. Also note when the statute explicitly recognizes that the common law or any right derived from the common law supersedes it.}

It's important to read the law, if only for these 9 pairs. For we're all victims of the world's greatest propaganda ministry, bar none. Academic study of the law (as found in colleges) will often omit anything to deal with the common law (common law marriage, common law copyright, etc), private property and endowed rights. Of course, 99.999% of Americans voluntarily left the republican form for the socialist democrazy.... or did they?

Another example of the power of indoctrination can also be found in eCONomics. Anyone who has studied eCONomics knows the calculations for future worth, annuities, present worth, mortgages, etc. And yet no one has the common sense to realize that compound interest being calculated with an exponential equation, requires an INFINITE MONEY SUPPLY to operate over the long term.

I like this because I found a reference from a LAWYER who knew eCONomics, as well.
https://www.monetary.org/research-articles/60-the-usury-problem-remains
In 1836 John Whipple, an American lawyer, showed the impossibility of sustaining long term metallic usury in this fashion:
" If 5 English pennies... had been invested ... at 5 per cent compound interest from the beginning of the Christian era until the present time, it would amount in gold of standard fineness to 32,366,648,157 each eight thousand miles in diameter, or as large as the earth."
To pay usury over the long term, would require THIRTY TWO BILLION EARTH SIZED SPHERES OF GOLD. (Is that impossible enough for you? Is that sufficient proof that the usury is a scam to rob, cheat and steal?)

[MATH CHECK]
FV = future value, PV = present value

FV = PV x (1+ interest)^time
FV = PV x (1+0.05)^1835
FV = PV x 762.7 x 10^36
(10^36 :: Undecillion (Billion Billion Billion Billion)

OF COURSE, YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TRUST THE 'EXPERTS' !
Why would they lie to us?

(wink, wink, nod, nod)

[ozmirage]

WARNING
DO NOT READ IF YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE
THIS WILL GREATLY UPSET YOU
. . .:-:-:-:. . .
You are a "voluntary" socialist slave, bankrupt, and have sold your children's children into perpetual servitude.
. . .:-:-:-:. . .
What facts support such a conclusion?
Your consent, via citizenship, national socialism, and usury.


Citizenship imposes the obligation to support and defend the State with your life, your property and your obedience.
Socialism imposes the obligation to support other socialists, in addition to the aforementioned duty to the State.
Usury (interest bearing accounts) imposes the obligation of obedience to the "rules of the Bank" (international usurers), to whom you're pledged as collateral (*human resource).

Thanks to FICA, every enumerated "contributor" is equally liable on the impossible to repay public debt.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/
The current national debt is $34.2 trillion dollars (February, 2024), which computes to an obligation requiring 1.655 trillion ounces of gold, stamped into coin.
***Pursuant to the Coinage Act of 1792, a Double Eagle = coin containing 0.9675 ounce (troy) of gold bullion and other alloys. Equivalent to 20 unit dollars.
DIVIDE the debt (in dollars) by 20, to compute the number of coins, and then multiply that by 0.9675 to compute the amount of GOLD BULLION NEEDED.
Ex: 34.231 trillion dollars computes to 1.655 trillion ounces (Troy) of gold, stamped into coin.
THE PROBLEM
WORLD SUPPLY OF GOLD (EST) = 6.4 BILLION OUNCES ($132 Billion in lawful money, as defined by the Coinage Act of 1792)***

World supply of gold (est) = 6.4 billion ounces
BUT we owe 1,655 billion ounces (and rising)
(shortfall of 1,649 billion ounces)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold

HOW is this possible?
The national debt is a complete FRAUD !
Congress was never lent that much gold.
WHY won’t any politician address this?
__________
“The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”
- - - Section 4, 14th amendment, USCON
“The validity of the public debt ... shall not be questioned.”

According to the law, this is all by your consent. That is why there is NO REMEDY in the ballot box, or any other method that seeks to reform the socialist democracy from within. Your only remedy is to WITHDRAW CONSENT.

When enough walking collateral departs, only then will the creditor be thwarted. Until then, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

Either way, the "system" is approaching terminal collapse. The only difference is whether or not the people submit to the Peoples Democratic Socialist Republics of America or restore their endowments under the promised Republican Form of government.
So far, the PDSRA is winning. Few Americans bother to read their own laws, and learn the truth. They'd rather listen to 'experts' and 'authorities' who ply them with pleasant lies and half truths.

[palehorse]

Well, if it is not too much to ask, do you have any sort of "blueprint" for the Tulou buildings or even for the Ring Village?.
Thought Experiment

Using the 10 acre square equivalent for a “city block,” we can inscribe a dual ring village within.
Square Block . . . . 10 Acres . . 4.05 Hectares
Side Length . . . . 660 Feet . . 201.17 Meters
Road Width . . . . . 18 Feet . . . . 5.49 Meters
Ring2 Width . . . . . 40 Feet . . . 12.19 Meters
Balcony2 Width . . 6 Feet . . . . 1.83 Meters
Circle St. Width . . 18 Feet . . . . 5.49 Meters
Balcony1 Width . . . 6 Feet . . . 1.83 Meters
Ring1 Width . . . . . 40 Feet . . . 12.19 Meters
Balcony0 Width. . . 6 Feet . . . . 1.83 Meters

Dependent Variables
Road Radius. . . . . . . 312 Feet . . . . .95.10 Meters
Ring2 Radius . . . . . . 272 Feet. . . . . 82.91 Meters
Balcony2 Radius. . . . 266 Feet . . . . 81.08 Meters
Circle St. Radius . . . .248 Feet. . . . . 75.59 Meters
Balcony1 Radius . . . .242 Feet . . . . .73.76 Meters
Ring1 Radius .. . . . . .202 Feet . . . . 61.57 Meters
Balcony0 Radius . . . .196 Feet . . . . . 59.74 Meters
Park Area . . . . . . . . 2.77 Acres . . . . 1.12 Hectares


Ring Area = (pi x rad1^2) - (pi x rad2^2)
Rad1 = 312, Rad2 = 272; Rad3 = 242, Rad4 = 202
RESULT = 129,182.29 sf per level
For this simulation, the model dual ring village is home to 462 inhabitants (800 sf per capita),
spread over 3 apartment levels, at a density of roughly 40 per acre.

Parkland density of Ring Village

Central Park area = 2.77 ACRES for 462 people,
166.78 people / park acreage
(the approx size of 2 football fields)

In contrast:
New York City = 38,147 acres parkland for 8,274,527 people,
216.9 people / park acreage

(Ring Villagers can change specifications, and adjust the DRV to fit their particular requirements.)


As to livability, it compares well with the many suggestions stated in "A Pattern Language".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pattern_Language


Thanks for the thoughts, I will do some drafts and try to build a 3D model for it.

Regarding the type of the material used in the construction, I read it was usually cut granite or just fire bricks, these materials alone are most cost effective than traditional building, in order to keep a project as such in as low as possible budget, I was wondering if rammed earth for at least the construction of the walls of the rings would be a good idea, or using things readily available like straw bale or hay bales (for insulation if necessary) with framed walls.. also earth bag could work for such a project.

What are your thoughts regarding materials?

and thanks again for the measurements.



Here are some screenshots of the 3D model for a Chinese Tulou, note there is no external wall in this model, but it could be added with an external layer. I found these models in `sketchup.com`, the buildings are not in line with @ozmirage suggestions, but could be adapted in case someone is going to build it.

This Tulou has 3 levels in the external ring and 1 level in the internal ring, the central park is too small in this model, but it could be proportionally expanded, so that also means large buildings and even larger outer ring.


https://images2.imgbox.com/df/ad/lvXGCe3T_o.png
This is an interesting model, I had seem places like this in Myanmar, usually old temples, they built it square, more like a square in a square, it is also called Tulou and there is a few in China too.

https://images2.imgbox.com/bd/49/Bckp1fhp_o.png
General view

https://images2.imgbox.com/b3/d9/MzvJuJYa_o.png
Level access by stairs

https://images2.imgbox.com/df/df/lMRZUeQS_o.png
External layer has 3 levels of units and a balcony, the internal layer has only 1 level and it gives access to the central park (which needs to be resized)

https://images2.imgbox.com/4f/33/o0litqew_o.png
Units (living spaces)

https://images2.imgbox.com/b1/dc/eLQlTfS6_o.png
A view from the balcony

https://images2.imgbox.com/8b/c1/qyjBoqlu_o.png
Balcony, passages and units.

https://images2.imgbox.com/e0/e9/moaM3PMd_o.png
Hovering over the buildings. Roof's view allow water collection with the use of gutters.

https://images2.imgbox.com/e9/0e/50gTLg3E_o.png
View from above.

https://images2.imgbox.com/31/c6/jbt2cTsI_o.png
External view, entrance.

I don't know if it is necessary to have an external ring as wall (2m thick) for the security of the place.
I think this 3d draws give us a basic idea of what it would be.

It is an expensive construction I would say, I believe a strong united community could build such a thing using only natural materials, like straw bales, ***rammed earth, ***hard wood, etc.. in order to reduce costs. More or less like Amish build a barn in days using several dozen skilled people.

If anyone want the `.skp` file for the 3D model, let me know I can upload somewhere.


*** "In China, there are reports of Tulou built 900 to 1000 years ago, that are still standing. They were often built "dirt cheap" - literally - made from rammed earth and unfinished lumber."

ref.: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122679-Post-Socialist-World-and-our-options&p=1600302&viewfull=1#post1600302

[ozmirage]

Regarding the type of the material used in the construction, I read it was usually cut granite or just fire bricks, these materials alone are most cost effective than traditional building, in order to keep a project as such in as low as possible budget, I was wondering if rammed earth for at least the construction of the walls of the rings would be a good idea, or using things readily available like straw bale or hay bales (for insulation if necessary) with framed walls.. also earth bag could work for such a project.

What are your thoughts regarding materials?

and thanks again for the measurements.
I don't know if it is necessary to have an external ring as wall (2m thick) for the security of the place.
I think this 3d draws give us a basic idea of what it would be.

It is an expensive construction I would say, I believe a strong united community could build such a thing using only natural materials, like straw bales, ***rammed earth, ***hard wood, etc.. in order to reduce costs. More or less like Amish build a barn in days using several dozen skilled people.

If anyone want the `.skp` file for the 3D model, let me know I can upload somewhere.

The older tulou were constructed of rammed earth, and the outer ring wall was, on average, 2m (6.6 ft) thick. But I see no problem using more modern materials, like reinforced concrete - poured in place, tilt up, or shotcrete.
I am not fond of straw bales, etc, because of their ephemeral nature.
Though we don't have the recipe for Roman concrete, there are examples of 2000+ year old concrete in service. It would be nice to build villages that last for millennia and not require expensive maintenance and repair.

https://socks-studio.com/2014/02/01/walls-as-rooms-4-the-hakka-tulou-community-housing-for-equals/

https://web.archive.org/web/20160311032136/http://www.chinadwelling.dk/hovedsider/clan_homes-tekst.htm
"The round tulou, yuanlou, range widely in size. Five standing yuanlou exceed 70 meters (230 ft) in diameter and there are several less than 20 meters (65 ft) in diameter. Perhaps the largest is Zaitianlou in Zhaoan with 2,4 m (7.8 ft) thick walls and a diameter of 91 meters (298 ft)."
Often the wall thickness varied as the height increased, forming a ledge for each floor joist.

The very thick exterior ("barrier") wall (with one gateway) was probably based on their requirements for a fortified village / clan home to deal with clan warfare and even Japanese pirate raids.
"The tulou is probably the largest, and defensively most advanced, village residences known."
. . .
The dual ring village is a more ambitious solution, focusing on disaster resistance as the justification for the robust exterior wall. A large, tall, massive wall can be a remedy to :
● Hurricanes, with storm surge, flying debris;
● Tornadoes, high wind and flying debris;
● Flooding, ice dams, rainfall, tsunamis;
● Mudslides; avalanches
● Blizzards, snowstorms, with high drifts;
● Forest fires;
● Earthquake, meteor shockwave;
● Vermin, insects, mold, mildew, pests, pestilence; and
● Weather extremes (hot or bitter cold).

Though there is no one optimal size, the previous DRV example had a diameter double that of the largest tulou. Frankly, folks can choose any particular metric and design accordingly. . . park size, occupancy limit, in house businesses, transportation, and so on.
There are some suggested limits : 4 to 5 story maximum height, based on the ability to climb stairs when there's no elevator, and the amount of shading / shadows cast onto the central park and main street.

[ozmirage]

Homework assignment for those who are just starting to "read law for themselves."
...
Determine the (legal) difference between the following pairs:
1. national v. citizen
2. sovereign v. subject
3. individual v. person
4. inhabitant v. resident
5. domicile v. residence
6. natural liberty v. civil liberty
7. personal liberty v. political liberty
8. private property v. estate (real and personal property)
9. absolute ownership v. qualified ownership
...
If you do not know the legal difference, you will not understand what has happened to the United States of America and the republican form of government promised to the American people. (See: Art.4, Sec.4, USCON)

{When you check your own state’s constitution and laws, pay attention to trigger words : inhabitant, domicile, private property, common law, natural liberty, personal liberty, rights, powers, immunities, and sovereignty. Pay attention to the obligated party identified in the statute. Also note when the statute explicitly recognizes that the common law or any right derived from the common law supersedes it.}

It's important to read the law, if only for these 9 pairs. For we're all victims of the world's greatest propaganda ministry, bar none. Academic study of the law (as found in colleges) will often omit anything to deal with the common law (common law marriage, common law copyright, etc), private property and endowed rights. Of course, 99.999% of Americans voluntarily left the republican form for the socialist democrazy.... or did they?

Another example of the power of indoctrination can also be found in eCONomics. Anyone who has studied eCONomics knows the calculations for future worth, annuities, present worth, mortgages, etc. And yet no one has the common sense to realize that compound interest being calculated with an exponential equation, requires an INFINITE MONEY SUPPLY to operate over the long term.

I like this because I found a reference from a LAWYER who knew eCONomics, as well.
https://www.monetary.org/research-articles/60-the-usury-problem-remains
In 1836 John Whipple, an American lawyer, showed the impossibility of sustaining long term metallic usury in this fashion:
" If 5 English pennies... had been invested ... at 5 per cent compound interest from the beginning of the Christian era until the present time, it would amount in gold of standard fineness to 32,366,648,157 each eight thousand miles in diameter, or as large as the earth."
To pay usury over the long term, would require THIRTY TWO BILLION EARTH SIZED SPHERES OF GOLD. (Is that impossible enough for you? Is that sufficient proof that the usury is a scam to rob, cheat and steal?)

[MATH CHECK]
FV = future value, PV = present value

FV = PV x (1+ interest)^time
FV = PV x (1+0.05)^1835
FV = PV x 762.7 x 10^36
(10^36 :: Undecillion (Billion Billion Billion Billion)

OF COURSE, YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TRUST THE 'EXPERTS' !
Why would they lie to us?

(wink, wink, nod, nod)



USURY LINK CORRECTION
https://web.archive.org/web/20180207095637/http://www.monetary.org/the-usury-problem-remains/2010/12
Fixes dead links :
http://www.monetary.org/the-usury-problem-remains/2010/12
https://www.monetary.org/research-articles/60-the-usury-problem-remains

[palehorse]

Here is a recap of these 2 posts I made previously and it falls into the category of shelter:

EARTHBAG "BLUEPRINT"
Thread link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120017-Starve-the-beast-solutions&p=1535391&viewfull=1#post1535391

EARTHSHIP "BLUEPRINT"
Thread link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120017-Starve-the-beast-solutions&p=1534711&viewfull=1#post1534711

Shelters are usually separated into these 3 categories: Temporary, Semi-permanent and Permanent (mobile or rooted), but it is a huge topic on its own, so here is just a few more that are widely available on internet for research, shelter is a priceless skill to have, so understand how to build that properly is a big plus in life.


Wood shack/cabin
Igloo
Caravan (AKA motor home)
Tiny home
Shipping container
Cob houses (similar to earth bag above)
Teepees (American Indian Style)
Bamboo house
Adobe houses (The Pueblo style)
Yurt
Chinese Tulou




To complement this list I am adding another option for rooted shelter, the Chinese Tulou.
CHINESE TULOU "BLUEPRINT"
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120017-Starve-the-beast-solutions&p=1600720&viewfull=1#post1600720

and moving on from here, in my opinion large structures like the Tulou would work only for a very determined group of people willing to pinch resources and work together, it isn't simple project.

In this thread I will focus more in small structures, small alternative systems that works for small group of people (family for example) but not limited to that, anything is welcome in this thread, so go ahead post your ideas of solution and explain to us why you think that would work.

I know that keeping things simple and under the radar is what most people that are trying to escape the beast system is looking for, large systems always come with overhead problems and is not always detached from the beast system, so persist on that is a waste of time, don't look the trend when it comes to your health and safety.

The beast infiltrated on every aspect of life, look how they talk about self sustainable way of life nowadays, look how they approach consensus, how they invert and corrupt every single aspect of life they can touch, it happens every time people goes trend with something and it becomes popular, how many eco villages, sanctuaries, intentional communities exists back in time, quite a lot I am sure about that, but they were not visible, the old ones still not visible because that is the intent anyways, it repels those unwanted elements, that is natural protection. So basically if it is heavily promoted (marketing per se), if it seeks visibility, then it is a business as usual, it has nothing to do with the real thing. So you can see how they muddy the waters. Stay away from anything that is been heavily marketed, marketing is a tool to deceive and persuade people buying into services, products and ideologies.

This topic is :fire:

[norman]

I've long had an idea I've never actually put to the test. It's not a dwelling thing but it's stealth food growing thing, maybe.

In rural farming areas in the UK there are a lot of 'dead corners' to the big fields where the mono crops are produced. These corners are 'outside' the radius of the turning circles of the big machinery they use in the big fields. Think of a square with 4 internal corners and think of 4 small circles pressed into those four corners. There's a gap between the edge of the circles and the corner of the square.

If you go for a drive out in the farming country you will see these corners. Some farmers are more carful with their methods and manage to make use of the corners too, but a lot don't.

You couldn't go in there and use the entire corner as an allotment ( though it would be quite sizable if you could ). No, that would be far too obvious and it would be seen and stopped. But, there are so many of them that you could do some stealth planting of seedlings that will be mostly hidden from view by the 'weeds' that will grow up with them.

Am I nuts to think about this ?

To me, it seems like a good way to have food assets that neither gangs of robbers or the government would get their hands on easily.

I may have just blown it's viability by writing about this idea here tho'.

I'm fairly confident the workers in the big fields won't notice a thing. These days, they hardly get out of their tractor cabs and are too busy making sure they get their tasks done without wrecking hundreds of thousands of pounds/dollars worth of kit to notice a couple of plants growing amongst the weeds on the field corners.

[Ewan]

I've long had an idea I've never actually put to the test. It's not a dwelling thing but it's stealth food growing thing, maybe.

In rural farming areas in the UK there are a lot of 'dead corners' to the big fields where the mono crops are produced. These corners are 'outside' the radius of the turning circles of the big machinery they use in the big fields. Think of a square with 4 internal corners and think of 4 small circles pressed into those four corners. There's a gap between the edge of the circles and the corner of the square.
-->snip<--
I'm fairly confident the workers in the big fields won't notice a thing. These days, they hardly get out of their tractor cabs and are too busy making sure they get their tasks done without wrecking hundreds of thousands of pounds/dollars worth of kit to notice a couple of plants growing amongst the weeds on the field corners.

A problem springs to mind straight away, you would need a lot of corners over many fields to produce a viable return. Ergo a lot of leg work, do you think nobody would see you - even walking down hedgerows and fencelines. Also there is the problem of all the chemicals that are sprayed on the actual field crops, overspray and winds will ensure your little harvest is probably contaminated.

You might be better off looking at woodland borders?

[palehorse]

I've long had an idea I've never actually put to the test. It's not a dwelling thing but it's stealth food growing thing, maybe.

In rural farming areas in the UK there are a lot of 'dead corners' to the big fields where the mono crops are produced. These corners are 'outside' the radius of the turning circles of the big machinery they use in the big fields. Think of a square with 4 internal corners and think of 4 small circles pressed into those four corners. There's a gap between the edge of the circles and the corner of the square.
-->snip<--
I'm fairly confident the workers in the big fields won't notice a thing. These days, they hardly get out of their tractor cabs and are too busy making sure they get their tasks done without wrecking hundreds of thousands of pounds/dollars worth of kit to notice a couple of plants growing amongst the weeds on the field corners.

A problem springs to mind straight away, you would need a lot of corners over many fields to produce a viable return. Ergo a lot of leg work, do you think nobody would see you - even walking down hedgerows and fencelines. Also there is the problem of all the chemicals that are sprayed on the actual field crops, overspray and winds will ensure your little harvest is probably contaminated.

You might be better off looking at woodland borders?



Very good observation Ewan, but the idea of using corners or borders of land is quite real, Fukuoka technique of using seed balls would work perfect in this scenario where you don't even need to plant anything, just prepare the seed ball at home and then go around and spread it, the crop will grow on its own.
I have to say it is not a crazy nut idea Norman but I think the field should be well selected and far from contaminants as Ewan noticed, that could be done either inside a national park, nobody would notice, go for the usual hike and spread the seeds around, in few months you go for the usual hike with a bag for harvesting some.

QC1V9x_YpPc

[palehorse]

Here we go back to the original idea of this thread, CBDC.

An interesting podcast from Corbett Report website:

"Joining us today is Aaron Day, a liberty activist who hasn’t used fiat currency since 2019. James and Aaron discuss the biggest threat to human liberty and the Manhattan Project that Aaron is proposing to come up with a solution for those looking to escape the coming CBDC tyranny."

https://www.corbettreport.com/mp3/solutionswatch-fiatfree.mp3
ref.: https://corbettreport.com/living-fiat-free/ (37:28 minutes long) - It gives some alternatives/solutions and also links with a variety of more resources for those interested.


Here is another podcast : "Podcast - Aaron Day - CBDC Rollout Hits DEFCON 1 & Roger Ver’s Arrest is Just the Beginning". It is on spotify and I don't know how to embed it here, so follow the link: https://open.spotify.com/embed/episode/6qMmnzbKQKa94MCnnKfCnh
(this podcast is 1:08:40 long)


and here is the Porcupine Freedom Festival, they are going to cover everything about CBDC this year.
https://porcfest.com/


Just a warning for the Bitcoin lovers: 2 developers of Bitcoin are related to the development of CBDC in US. Bitcoin Foundation is undermined it is a non-profit organization that is directly connected with of course the development of Bitcoin itself. There are direct attack on many other decentralized crypto out there. Since 2015 the development group behind BTC is the same group (MIT looners) that is developing CBDC, so it begs the question why people still have hope on Bitcoin? It has not even privacy! Go figure.

But the fight is on, people are working hard and fast to get new alternatives / solutions, because when the time comes and there will be another manufactured crises and they will introduce the CBDC, the majority of people are not aware about the alternatives and they will fall beautifully into it. We are very very close to that day.

Here is something that worth a comment: Bitcoin isn't designed to retail, in other words it is pretty bad, slow and expensive transactions, can't be use for micropayments, period. A little log here, Bitcoin can handle 7 or 8 transactions per second, which is ridiculous low, CBDC was designed to handle millions of transactions per second, so here is the big catch, Lightning Network (which runs on BTC blockchain) was created after the CBDC figured out how to make the CBDC more effective, Lightning Network is what we can call junky tech directly out of CBDC to the masses, why would they allow that? that question remain to be known, but I believe it is testing purposes because it may attract people and since it runs on Bitcoin technology, it is traceable, what we know that every piece or bit of tech that reaches out in the public, is junky that they allowed to be there for their own testing purposes. For those who doesn't know even Jeffrey Spistein helped funding the development of such things at the MIT labs and also private stuffs for his own ventures. Where the money comes from? human trafficking? cogh cogh

So you don't want to leave cash behind unless you have a real rock solid technology that works for the people, Bitcoin certainly is not that. :coffee:

[palehorse]

Here is a good talk about solutions and alternatives to big tech, I know the guy in the podcast (Ramiro), he is involved with alternative techs for a good while now, guy is solid and have good advice, I used to chat in a group he manage for more than 2 years, basically he gives lots of advice to people and help them figuring out tech things, one of a kind out standing guy. He got this company called AbovePhone (unGoogled Pixel Phones), so he is promoting it in the podcast in certain way, but he also encourage people to do it themselves (jailbreak), it is good to see people taking control of the wheel and actually doing stuffs. He also "touch" the subject of Apple Pay and Google Pay, like they got a huge market for themselves and all they had to do is to offer those Apps with the phone itself, we are talking about at least 90% of all people in the world using Google Android and Apple, the other 10% is divided into smaller software companies, the freedom movement probably represent 0.xxx% of it, this is the current ****ed up situation we are, 6 or 7 billion people using google and apple products.

He also mentioned Freedom Cells, which I posted in the other thread here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116826-Projects-Permaculture-Homestead-Farmstead-and-the-likes

Here is the link for freedom cells: https://freedomcells.org/

and here is podcast (about 1 hour long)
https://open.spotify.com/embed/episode/5UnXxk2JOTJIyvg0DB0Kvj

The podcast ends with the phrase : "thanks for your commitment to starve the big tech beast" :heart:

[palehorse]

also posting here, totally related


gTImMbRVnis

Here is some balance to this debate of crypto currency, I do not agree 100% with what John Bush is saying, but around 15 min. mark, that is absolutely true and Chinese, Russians, politicians, whatever are doing it, this is a well known tactics to move money, hide money using bitcoin (it is traceable but tumblers exist for that reason).

I am not advocating crypto currency, CBDC is simply hell coming alive, been fully programmable and stripping away people's right or what is left of it. But in case the fiat currency goes belly up, if I need to transact money with others (unofficially) I would go with Monero only, not gold or silver (nobody in my area would accept silver or gold for a bowl of noodles, go figure), another thing who guarantee the grid will be functional for most of people?! it probably will be functional for the elites, but not for the plebe.

Here is 1 prediction for the freedom movement (cough bear with me), when the time comes and CBDC is implemented on most countries, all legal businesses will be forced to use it, those who refuse will have 2 options: close down or become an Agorist (lets see how many will stick to the plan of freedom - in my point of view this will be a great indicator to separate the wheat from the chaff).

Any coincidences with Sodom and Gomorrah to the freak show we are heading today? prepare accordingly to your own needs.

[rick]

Quit paying tax. Tell employer to 1099 you and wipe ass with said form. Anyway that won't stop **** even if lots did it. They can just put zeros in computers all day long.they don't need your money, they just don't want YOU to have it.

Another suggestion:Turn off. As In hammer a nail thru smart phone.screen. stop paying attention to them and their show. Have the " **** with me and I don't care, bring your guns and police and soldiers. Put me in jail. Do what you gotta do and I will do what I gotta do". I don't care I'm not playing your game...The end.

Like dying is the worst thing that could happen in this ****ing place or what?!..jeeezsus ****ing spinless masses.

I was the only asshole in Walmart without a facemask, was stopped every two isles and harassed, just politely said nope nope, do what you gotta do, I'm not wearing it. Felt awesome afterwards and I'm still proud of that one.

That's how we win. Spine. Not tooting my own horn but most people are complete cowards.

[palehorse]

Quit paying tax. Tell employer to 1099 you and wipe ass with said form. Anyway that won't stop **** even if lots did it. They can just put zeros in computers all day long.they don't need your money, they just don't want YOU to have it.

Another suggestion:Turn off. As In hammer a nail thru smart phone.screen. stop paying attention to them and their show. Have the " **** with me and I don't care, bring your guns and police and soldiers. Put me in jail. Do what you gotta do and I will do what I gotta do". I don't care I'm not playing your game...The end.

Like dying is the worst thing that could happen in this ****ing place or what?!..jeeezsus ****ing spinless masses.

I was the only asshole in Walmart without a facemask, was stopped every two isles and harassed, just politely said nope nope, do what you gotta do, I'm not wearing it. Felt awesome afterwards and I'm still proud of that one.

That's how we win. Spine. Not tooting my own horn but most people are complete cowards.


That was exactly the first thing I had done after catapulted myself out of the rat race many years ago, I pay no taxes on my income (not "officially" employed), capital gains, sales, etc but still have to deal with vehicle and land taxes, don't know for how long, or any other way to avoid them by now. I buy and sell whatever I want directly with people using cash, outside of the system, been doing it for years now, no credit card for over 15 years, I live as simple as possible, but I still have some duties, that is really nothing if I compare how it used to be for me.

My time to get angry with these bastards gonna, I just refuse whatever they offer and I do things on my own way, there is nothing anyone can do to stop this behavior, I wish more people see it is possible, my transition (withdrawn from the beast system) had been very slowly, I am satisfied with the results, but still a lot of work to be done on many levels specially the spiritual one.

I may get a horse and a charrette (carriage) a la Amish so then I can get rid of my truck and the taxes that comes with it, I can't believe a 25 years old truck and still have to pay taxes yearly.

I bolded your sentence above, that is it! I do agree with that, in fact is exactly what I am doing, there is no other way, if lucky enough hopefully in time we will find "others" and establish our own clan. :muscle:

[palehorse]

Here is a DRAFT that outline the registration of a Private Membership Association (In US aka: PMA), other countries has similar structures, worth the time looking into it.

-------DRAFT----------

Key Points for Drafting Your Private Membership Association (PMA)

1. Purpose and Mission

Spiritual Retreat: Clearly state that the association’s primary purpose is to provide a private spiritual retreat for its members.
Personal and Communal Development: Emphasize the focus on both personal development (internal work) and common development (external work) within the community.

2. Membership Structure

Invitation-Only: Membership is by invitation only and not open to the public.
Non-Commercial Nature: The association operates on a non-commercial basis, with no sales or public engagements.

3. Activities and Schedule

Positive Actions: Detail the types of activities members will engage in, such as:
Internal Activities: Meditation, personal development workshops, and other self-improvement practices.
External Activities: Communal living tasks, maintenance of the compound, and projects that benefit the entire community.
Active Participation: Members are expected to actively participate in both personal and communal activities, contributing to the overall well-being of the community.

4. Governance and Decision-Making

Democratic Process: Decisions are made through a democratic process involving all members.
Assemblies: Regular assemblies or meetings to discuss and decide on community matters.

5. Resource Management

Self-Sufficiency: The community is self-sufficient, relying on internal resources and member contributions.
Non-Reimbursement Policy: Clearly state that contributions made by members are not reimbursable if they choose to leave the association.

6. Legal and Tax Considerations

Non-Profit Status: Emphasize the non-profit nature of the association.
Land and Buildings: Highlight the use of natural buildings and the non-commercial use of the land.
Tax Exemption or Tax Immune: Prepare to apply for tax exemptions or reductions or immunity based on the spiritual and non-commercial nature of the association.


DRAFT OUTLINE

A. Introduction

Purpose and mission of the association.

B. Membership

Criteria and process for becoming a member.
Rights and responsibilities of members.

C. Activities

Description of daily positive actions and the types of activities.
Schedule and expectations for member participation.

D. Governance

Decision-making process and structure.
Frequency and format of assemblies.

E. Resource Management

Policies on resource sharing and self-sufficiency.
Non-reimbursement policy for departing members.

F. Legal and Tax Considerations

Non-profit status and compliance.
Application for tax exemptions/immunity based on the association’s purpose and activities.




My focus on this DRAFT is only to find out if there is any way to be granted tax-immunity based on the non-commercial nature of this association (maybe charitable/religious form), it is not a non-profit like the others. Since I don't understand much about it, I am trying with a lawyer I know asking some burning questions, but he seems to not have learned anything like that in the law school (I mean they probably don't teach that), I had to explain the difference of tax-exemption and tax-immunity which are two very different things, one basically comes under specific criteria and is necessary to adhere to the regulations to maintain the status, in the other hand tax-immunity is a more absolute status where the entity is not subject to tax laws, does not require to fulfill any conditions or adhere to regulations to keep the status granted to be left alone.

So there is a big catch here as we know: International organizations, sovereign states (like Liberland in a sense), military bases, certain NGOs, Indigenous Tribes.. these ones do not respond to any authority and are tax-immune. Some more powerful are: Diplomats and embassies, Sovereign Military Order of Malta, The Vatican, some small nations (sovereign states), International Committee of the Red Cross (NGO - they operate under international humanitarian law), and actually many others. The beast system is operated this way, they got their own privileges, while the burden of taxes is for the boogie class.

Tax-immunity just mean to operate independently of the state authority, must have a way out or half-way out.

[psikeyhackr]

I searched this thread for 'accounting' but did not find it.

Why hasn't accounting been mandatory in the schools of Western countries since WWII?

Ever heard of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations? The book has been downloadable from the Internet since 2001. If you search it for 'education' you will find Smith used the word Eighty Times. If you search it for "read, write" you will find multiple instances of "read, write and *account* ". The United States could have made accounting/finance mandatory in the schools since Sputnik.

If everyone concentrated on Net Worth instead of jobs what would happen? Karl Marx used the word *'depreciation'* 35 times in the first two volumes of his major work. Using credit cards to buy junk designed to become obsolete is great for GDP, but the depreciation of durable consumer goods is not even in the Net Domestic Product equation.

Western countries claiming to be Capitalist promote a distorted version of Smith's ideas.

Smith used "The Invisible Hand" so many times it could be counted on one finger, but Milton Friedman never stopped slapping us around with it. 😅

[palehorse]

I searched this thread for 'accounting' but did not find it.

Why hasn't accounting been mandatory in the schools of Western countries since WWII?

Ever heard of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations? The book has been downloadable from the Internet since 2001. If you search it for 'education' you will find Smith used the word Eighty Times. If you search it for "read, write" you will find multiple instances of "read, write and *account* ". The United States could have made accounting/finance mandatory in the schools since Sputnik.

If everyone concentrated on Net Worth instead of jobs what would happen? Karl Marx used the word *'depreciation'* 35 times in the first two volumes of his major work. Using credit cards to buy junk designed to become obsolete is great for GDP, but the depreciation of durable consumer goods is not even in the Net Domestic Product equation.

Western countries claiming to be Capitalist promote a distorted version of Smith's ideas.

Smith used "The Invisible Hand" so many times it could be counted on one finger, but Milton Friedman never stopped slapping us around with it. 😅



I don't have the answer for that question, but here is what new generations should learn in schools or by themselves:

Trivium

Grammar / Knowledge
Logic / Understanding
Rhetoric / Wisdom


Quadrivium

Arithmetic (pure quantification)
Geometry (space quantification)
Music (time quantification)
Astronomy (time and space quantification)


It is basically a path to truth and quantification, a classic model of education in ancient Greek/Roman traditions. just like out ancestors learned once, but it was abolished from the public education. This change happened back in the 15th century, slowly towards 18th century where there was the rise of intellectual movements, new scientific discoveries and so forth and so on (aka renaissance and enlightenment), then we moved into industrial revolution where practical/technical skills are necessary, in the 19th and 20th centuries the establishment in many countries focused on producing a "literate" and skilled workforce (that is where experiential learning and critical thinking started a slow death). By the end of 20th century we saw standardized testings, vocational training, STEM (science, technology, engineering, math), the whole educational system prioritize specific skills for economic and technological advancements, nothing else.

With that all the government policies and standardization of everything. game over, unless we starve this system by not playing their game.

I don't agree with Adam Smith's in having a limited government, this is an hierarchical system integrated with an authoritarian chain of command (flow of authority and comm).

Anarchy is probably the best way out of this mess, anything else centralize power in the hands of few.