WHY space colonization is so vital

[ozmirage]

Based on a 50 year doubling rate - WORLD POPULATION

Year . . . . Population . . . . Doubling rate (years)
2000 . . . . 6.00E+09 . . . . 50

Year . . . . Yrs. Diff. . . Population
2020 . . . . . 20 . . . . 7.92E+09 (billions)
2050 . . . . . 50 . . . . 1.20E+10
2100 . . . . 100 . . . . 2.40E+10
2150 . . . . 150 . . . . 4.80E+10
2200 . . . . 200 . . . . 9.60E+10
2300 . . . . 300 . . . . 3.84E+11
2400 . . . . 400 . . . . 1.54E+12 (trillions)
2500 . . . . 500 . . . . 6.14E+12
2600 . . . . 600 . . . . 2.46E+13
2700 . . . . 700 . . . . 9.83E+13
2800 . . . . 800 . . . . 3.93E+14
2900 . . . . 900 . . . . 1.57E+15 (quadrillions)
3000 . . . 1000 . . . . 6.29E+15

CENSUS
2021 : 7.919 BILLION, not too far off, eh?

It is vital to the survival of humanity (and to have more abundant life) for mankind to establish autonomous, self reliant, very large orbital habitats and vivariums. (Terraforming other planets is too slow and wasteful of resources)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_colonization
“Resources in space are enormous, both in materials and energy. The Solar System alone has, according to different estimates, enough material and energy to support a human population anywhere from several thousand to over a billion times that of the current human population.
“Outside the Solar System in the Milky Way are anywhere up to several hundred billion other stellar systems.”
At 1/10 C, humanity could span the Galaxy in half a billion years, give or take a million.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120219082348/http://settlement.arc.nasa.gov/Basics/wwwwh.html
“The key advantage of space settlements is the ability to build new land, rather than take it from someone else. This allows a huge expansion of humanity without war or destruction of Earth's biosphere. The asteroids alone provide enough material to make new orbital land hundreds of times greater than the surface of the Earth, divided into millions of colonies. This land can easily support trillions of people.”
.. .. ..
Let us have more abundant life - in the up and out !

[selinam]

Hmmmm I remember seeing something that said our population would start declining due to 3rd world countries being more educated and people deciding to have fewer children. I’ll see if I can find it. That and the fact that the vaccine seems to play a role in infertility.

Edit
https://www.google.com/search?q=world+population+decline+projections&client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&source=hp&ei=2_CZY-7vAYjIkPIPu5KSkA0&oq=workd+population+decline&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBABGAMyBwgAEIAEEAoyBwgAEIAEEAoyBwgAEIAEEAoyBwgAEIAEEAoyBwgAEIAEEAoyB wgAEIAEEAoyBwgAEIAEEAoyBwgAEIAEEAo6CggpELEDEIMBEEM6BQgpEIAEOggIKRCABBCxAzoFCCkQoAE6CwgpEIAEELEDEIMBO gQIKRADOgIIKToOCAAQjwEQ6gIQjAMQ5QI6CAgpELEDEIMBOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBE McBENEDOgsILhCDARCxAxCABDoICAAQsQMQgwE6DggAEIAEELEDEIMBEMkDOgUIABCSAzoICAAQgAQQsQM6CAguELEDEIAEOg4IL hCABBCxAxCDARDUAjoFCAAQgAQ6DgguELEDEIMBEMcBEK8BOgoILhCABBCxAxAKOg0IABCABBCxAxCDARAKOg0ILhCABBCxAxCDA RAKOg8IABCABBCxAxAKEEYQ-wE6CggAEIAEELEDEApQkQtYm1Jg8mZoAXAAeACAAeIBiAHBEJIBBjIwLjMuMZgBAKABAbABHg&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp

[Vicus]

Let us play... possible scenarios...

Let say we play a sort of "monopoly " game...the cards could be something like:

a) Natural resources(whatever and where they may be...
b) Population
c) Overpopulation
d) Parcel lots (Earth, another planet, satellites, whatever you plant your flag on...)
e)Break away "civilization" "people"
f)Star Trek technology
g)Mad scientist
h)Cataclysmic events (like 2 coming, mini nova, Nuclear war, poles flip, comets/asteroids rain, Alien invasion, insert your fearfully event...
i) THEY(whatever or whomever will be)

It is super clear( for everybody with 2 neurons still working...) that (i) are in a hurry...why?
1) because THEY know that (h) come too soon...
2) And THEY already have hybrid man/woman to replace/repopulate Earth or wherever under their (b) flavor...

How I come to this conclusion?

When you Sums e+ f+ g+ i THEY don't ****ing care anymore about ENYTHING and b/c.

Everybody reading this and the 99% of b/c are totally spendable.

But, hey! hold your popcorn! :popcorn:

[Tyy1907]

So instead of coming together and solving real world problems (sorry Bill Gates, overpopulation isn't one of them) we should simply move, live a happy life in space on a space ship.

Not buying it.

[Dreamer148]

Humans are discoverers, explorers, it's in our nature. To colonize new worlds is an incredibly exciting adventure. What will we find? What we don't know and what we don't know that we didn't even know.

As Elon Musk says, "we need to become a space faring people." Just not me - thank you!

[ozmirage]

So instead of coming together and solving real world problems (sorry Bill Gates, overpopulation isn't one of them) we should simply move, live a happy life in space on a space ship.

Not buying it.
Based on quadrupling populations every 100 years, I don't know of any other viable solution that provides for the seventh generation yet to come.

FYI : socialist genocide is not a viable solution (see: Graying of Europe, etc). Coincidentally, only socialist "paradises" are experiencing a drop in fertility. Those "primitive" non-socialist cultures are creating a surplus - and exporting them to (guess?) - socialist paradises in Europe and USA.
Even China [1.4 B], with its [former] one child policy, has created more problems that solutions. The preference for male children has skewed the gender balance, but not the cultural preferences. I suspect India [1.2 B] without any restraint, will surpass China as #1 in population, and continue to export its surplus to the world.
. . . .
How that will play out - who knows?
. . . .
Re: "SPACE SHIPS"
I stipulate that most science fiction / fantasy depictions in the (m)ass media are wholly ridiculous.
When I refer to vivariums and orbital habitats, they are specifically very large volumes, divided into concentric decks, with a multitude of ecological zones for wildlife, as well as human habitat.
In addition, the best overall shielding from cosmic rays, and hard stuff that generates secondary X-rays, are hydrogen rich materials - like H2O. So I think the optimal design would have the outermost shell of a spinning cylindrical space colony filled with water - a celestial ocean (salt or fresh, as preferred).
[Yup, no windows... sigh]

Giant Rigatonis in Space
(Spinning cylinders would probably keep the hub axis open, for easy docking and zero-G transfers of large cargo.)

Thought Experiment :
An “Island Three” O’Neill colony might consist of (2) 5 mile diameter by 20 mile long cylinders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder
Radius = 13200 ft. (4023.4 m)
Each cylinder could hold 1319 “floors” of concentric cylinders, with a total surface area of 207188.04 square miles (536614.56 square kilometers).
Combining both cylinders, the net result is 414,376.08 square miles (1073229.12 square kilometers).

(For comparison, the surface area of California is 163,696 sq mi or 423970.69 sq km )

If the maximum population density was 100/ sq.mi.(6.4 acres per person), a space colony could contain 41,437,608 passengers. (A charter crew of half a million would take about 300 years to reproduce enough to hit the max. Of course, after self sufficiency, the next job is to bud off another colony. Assuming a 20 year building cycle, folks who want to start their "own" colony can stock it and head off to a new orbit.)

Banks of Shells of Decks

To boost the number of usable decks, let us have nested concentric spinning cylinders, to have more decks with “near Earth normal” 1 g

5 mile diameter ship has a radius of 13200 feet.
1,319 decks (10 ft or 3.048 m apart)
Divide the decks into banks of shells
For a range of G = 1.0 to 0.7, computes to 9 cylinders / shells + 1 zero G hub
{Deck 1 is always the heaviest, higher number decks have lesser G forces}
. . . . .
Shell 1, Deck 1, . . G=1.0, 0.470 RPM, 443.13 MPH
Shell 1, Deck 398, .G= 0.7, 0.470 RPM, 309.85 MPH

Shell 2, Deck 1, . . .G=1.0, 0.562 RPM, 369.95 MPH
Shell 2, Deck 275, .G=0.7, 0.562 RPM, 259.20 MPH

Shell 3, Deck 1, . . .G=1.0, 0.672 RPM, 309.28 MPH
Shell 3, Deck 192, .G=0.7, 0.672 RPM, 216.73 MPH
. . .
(and so on)
. . .
Shell 9, Deck 1, . . .G=1.0, 1.934 RPM, 104.92 MPH
Shell 9, Deck 21, . .G=0.7, 1.934 RPM, 74.55 MPH
= = = =
As far as I can determine, no science fiction author or futurist has suggested nested cylinders to increase the "ideal" gravity zone for humans.
Most "generation ships" and "world ships" tend to be simple spinning cylinders with gradiated drop in "G" as one approaches the hub.
Or worse, big hollow cylinders showing clouds, etc. Which ignores the differential in air speed from angular velocity - causing hurricane speed wind differentials.
They may "look" pretty but are horrid examples.
- - -
Caveat : An "Island 3" O'Neill colony is based on 1970s "state of the art."
- - -
MCKENDREE COLONY
A McKendree cylinder is a type of hypothetical rotating space habitat originally proposed at NASA's Turning Goals into Reality conference in 2000 by NASA engineer Tom McKendree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKendree_cylinder
McKendree’s design would use carbon nanotubes instead of steel, allowing the habitat to be built much larger.
CYLINDER: 290 mi x 2900 mi (466 km x 4667 km)
Area = 101,137,475,080.59 sq mi; 26,194,485,796,813.16 hectares; 261,944,857,968.1 km2;
or 513.54 Terrs* per colony
Decks = 76,544
Population = 5.057E+12 (@ 50 per sq mile) (@ 19 per km2)
(central corridor = 300 ft (91.4 m) diameter)

*Surface area of Earth: 510,072,000 km2 (196,940,000 sq mi), or one “Terrestrial” or Terr.

ONE COLONY = 500+ "EARTHS"
Max. Pop. of 5 trillions in each one

>> whoa ! <<

In the space between Mars, Earth, Venus, Total colonies = 9.864 billion, with a 4000 km spacing on the ecliptic. (If orbits are inclined to the ecliptic, even more can be squeezed in) DYSON SWARM ME, BABY !

9.864 billion colonies x 5 trillion passengers = 49,320,000,000,000,000,000,000 capacity
49.3 Sextillion (which humanity could surpass in 4000 AD)

If you have a better solution that can accommodate 49.3 Sextillion human beans, by 4000 AD, let us know.

[ozmirage]

So how do you move all those giant habitats?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Transport_Network
The Interplanetary Transport Network (ITN) is a collection of gravitationally determined pathways through the Solar System that require very little energy for an object to follow. The ITN makes particular use of Lagrange points as locations where trajectories through space are redirected using little or no energy. These points have the peculiar property of allowing objects to orbit around them, despite lacking an object to orbit. While they use little energy, the transport can take a very long time.
- - -
This option is due to the advancement in computer technology that the "old timers" had no access to, when projecting how interplanetary travel would function.
And when you're in a self sufficient, autonomous orbital colony, taking a long time to move is not an issue.
For those in a "hurry" - we may implement laser propulsion, powered by our friendly neighborhood fusion reactor - Mr Sun.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_propulsion

IF WE HAD LASER PROPULSION... (no fuel need be taken)
We might send an expedition to Alpha Centauri (4.4 ly) thusly.

Using solar powered lasers, focused upon a spinning transport, it can accelerate at One Tenth Gee, to reach a velocity of 0.1c in 353.82 days,
Distance when achieved: 4.582 E+14m (458.2 Terameters)
(0.048 light years)(17.7 light days)

FYI: Oort cloud estimated to be from 0.8 to 3.2 ly

Approximately 46 years to reach Alpha Centauri.

(Decelerated with lasers built by an earlier expedition of robot scouts / factories, sent 50 to 100 years earlier. Or just rely on the stellar output of the destination star.)

It would also be wise to launch a new transport colony every year. This would result in a daisy chain of relay stations separated by 0.1 ly. A continuous moving chain of transports would insure that communications would keep humanity together, as we spread across the firmament.

[ozmirage]

STAR BROWSER (Celestia)
One can figure out which stars are candidates for colonization, by examining the neighborhood.

SOL (start)


A. Centauri 4.365 ly
Barnard’s Star 5.979 ly
CN Leo 7.782 ly
Gliese 411 8.294 ly
Sirius 8.583 ly
BL Cet 8.728 ly
V1216 Sgr 9.672 ly
EPS Eridani 10.48 ly
SCR J1845-6357 A 12.57 ly
AX Mic 12.87 ly

Up to ten expeditions might be mounted to our nearest star neighbors.

Rigil Kentaurus A (Alpha Centauri) (start)


Sol 4.36 ly
Barnard’s Star 6.474 ly
V1216 Sgr 8.071 ly
CN Leo 8.289 ly
SCR J1845-6357 A 8.927 ly
Sirius 9.521 ly
EPS Ind A 9.65 ly

V1216 Sgr / Gliese 729 / Ross 154 / HIP 92403 (start)


Barnard’s Star 5.512 ly
AX Mic 7.36 ly
Gliese 674 7.778 ly
EPS Ind A 8.932 ly

AX Mic / Gliese 825/ Lacaille 8760 / Cordoba 29191 (start)


Gliese 832 4.214 ly
EPS Ind A 4.296 ly


REAL STAR TREK (at sublight velocities)
Sol => 4.3 ly Alpha Centauri => 8 ly Gliese 729 => 7.36 ly Gliese 825
43yrs + 80 yrs + 73.6 yrs
-vs-
Sol => 12.87 ly Gliese 825
128.7 years (direct flight)

Takes longer to go by steps, but the transport time is far less. If we assume a century or two lay-over in each destination star system, to provide time for population growth and new construction, transports to Gliese 825 might launch as early as 2800 AD.

INFO: Gliese 825, aka Lacaille 8760 (AX Microscopii) is a red dwarf star in the constellation Microscopium. It is one of the nearest stars to the Sun at about 12.9 light-years' distance, and the brightest M dwarf star in Earth's night sky, although it is generally too faint to be seen without a telescope. At an apparent magnitude of +6.7 it may only be visible to the unaided eye under exceptionally good viewing conditions, under dark skies.
Due to its low mass (60% of the Sun), it has an expected lifespan of about 75 billion (7.5 × 10^10) years, seven times longer than the Sun's.
It is a flare star, but it is relatively quiet, only erupting on average less than once per day.

[Tyy1907]

So instead of coming together and solving real world problems (sorry Bill Gates, overpopulation isn't one of them) we should simply move, live a happy life in space on a space ship.

Not buying it.
Based on quadrupling populations every 100 years, I don't know of any other viable solution that provides for the seventh generation yet to come.

FYI : socialist genocide is not a viable solution (see: Graying of Europe, etc). Coincidentally, only socialist "paradises" are experiencing a drop in fertility. Those "primitive" non-socialist cultures are creating a surplus - and exporting them to (guess?) - socialist paradises in Europe and USA.
Even China [1.4 B], with its [former] one child policy, has created more problems that solutions. The preference for male children has skewed the gender balance, but not the cultural preferences. I suspect India [1.2 B] without any restraint, will surpass China as #1 in population, and continue to export its surplus to the world.
. . . .
How that will play out - who knows?
. . . .
Re: "SPACE SHIPS"
I stipulate that most science fiction / fantasy depictions in the (m)ass media are wholly ridiculous.
When I refer to vivariums and orbital habitats, they are specifically very large volumes, divided into concentric decks, with a multitude of ecological zones for wildlife, as well as human habitat.
In addition, the best overall shielding from cosmic rays, and hard stuff that generates secondary X-rays, are hydrogen rich materials - like H2O. So I think the optimal design would have the outermost shell of a spinning cylindrical space colony filled with water - a celestial ocean (salt or fresh, as preferred).
[Yup, no windows... sigh]

Giant Rigatonis in Space
(Spinning cylinders would probably keep the hub axis open, for easy docking and zero-G transfers of large cargo.)

Thought Experiment :
An “Island Three” O’Neill colony might consist of (2) 5 mile diameter by 20 mile long cylinders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder
Radius = 13200 ft. (4023.4 m)
Each cylinder could hold 1319 “floors” of concentric cylinders, with a total surface area of 207188.04 square miles (536614.56 square kilometers).
Combining both cylinders, the net result is 414,376.08 square miles (1073229.12 square kilometers).

(For comparison, the surface area of California is 163,696 sq mi or 423970.69 sq km )

If the maximum population density was 100/ sq.mi.(6.4 acres per person), a space colony could contain 41,437,608 passengers. (A charter crew of half a million would take about 300 years to reproduce enough to hit the max. Of course, after self sufficiency, the next job is to bud off another colony. Assuming a 20 year building cycle, folks who want to start their "own" colony can stock it and head off to a new orbit.)

Banks of Shells of Decks

To boost the number of usable decks, let us have nested concentric spinning cylinders, to have more decks with “near Earth normal” 1 g

5 mile diameter ship has a radius of 13200 feet.
1,319 decks (10 ft or 3.048 m apart)
Divide the decks into banks of shells
For a range of G = 1.0 to 0.7, computes to 9 cylinders / shells + 1 zero G hub
{Deck 1 is always the heaviest, higher number decks have lesser G forces}
. . . . .
Shell 1, Deck 1, . . G=1.0, 0.470 RPM, 443.13 MPH
Shell 1, Deck 398, .G= 0.7, 0.470 RPM, 309.85 MPH

Shell 2, Deck 1, . . .G=1.0, 0.562 RPM, 369.95 MPH
Shell 2, Deck 275, .G=0.7, 0.562 RPM, 259.20 MPH

Shell 3, Deck 1, . . .G=1.0, 0.672 RPM, 309.28 MPH
Shell 3, Deck 192, .G=0.7, 0.672 RPM, 216.73 MPH
. . .
(and so on)
. . .
Shell 9, Deck 1, . . .G=1.0, 1.934 RPM, 104.92 MPH
Shell 9, Deck 21, . .G=0.7, 1.934 RPM, 74.55 MPH
= = = =
As far as I can determine, no science fiction author or futurist has suggested nested cylinders to increase the "ideal" gravity zone for humans.
Most "generation ships" and "world ships" tend to be simple spinning cylinders with gradiated drop in "G" as one approaches the hub.
Or worse, big hollow cylinders showing clouds, etc. Which ignores the differential in air speed from angular velocity - causing hurricane speed wind differentials.
They may "look" pretty but are horrid examples.
- - -
Caveat : An "Island 3" O'Neill colony is based on 1970s "state of the art."
- - -
MCKENDREE COLONY
A McKendree cylinder is a type of hypothetical rotating space habitat originally proposed at NASA's Turning Goals into Reality conference in 2000 by NASA engineer Tom McKendree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKendree_cylinder
McKendree’s design would use carbon nanotubes instead of steel, allowing the habitat to be built much larger.
CYLINDER: 290 mi x 2900 mi (466 km x 4667 km)
Area = 101,137,475,080.59 sq mi; 26,194,485,796,813.16 hectares; 261,944,857,968.1 km2;
or 513.54 Terrs* per colony
Decks = 76,544
Population = 5.057E+12 (@ 50 per sq mile) (@ 19 per km2)
(central corridor = 300 ft (91.4 m) diameter)

*Surface area of Earth: 510,072,000 km2 (196,940,000 sq mi), or one “Terrestrial” or Terr.

ONE COLONY = 500+ "EARTHS"
Max. Pop. of 5 trillions in each one

>> whoa ! <<

In the space between Mars, Earth, Venus, Total colonies = 9.864 billion, with a 4000 km spacing on the ecliptic. (If orbits are inclined to the ecliptic, even more can be squeezed in) DYSON SWARM ME, BABY !

9.864 billion colonies x 5 trillion passengers = 49,320,000,000,000,000,000,000 capacity
49.3 Sextillion (which humanity could surpass in 4000 AD)

If you have a better solution that can accommodate 49.3 Sextillion human beans, by 4000 AD, let us know.

Let me ask you this Ozmirage

What do you attribute the leap in technological innovations over the past 100 years to?

[ozmirage]

Let me ask you this Ozmirage

What do you attribute the leap in technological innovations over the past 100 years to?
A more comprehensive answer may be found in the 1978 series "CONNECTIONS", hosted by James Burke.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078588/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_(British_documentary)
[The documentary] took an interdisciplinary approach to the history of science and invention, and demonstrated how various discoveries, scientific achievements, and historical world events were built from one another successively in an interconnected way to bring about particular aspects of modern technology. The series was noted for Burke's crisp and enthusiastic presentation (and dry humour), historical re-enactments, and intricate working models.
As to the discrepancy between what science fiction authors and futurists predicted, and what actually transpired, is a complicated question.
A short answer, IMHO, is that it would appear that the power density capability of humans was not achieved, as predicted - which quashed all sorts of related aspects ranging from independently mobile robotic servants to inexpensive space flight. Even nuclear reactors are basically inefficient steam boilers.

And what was NOT expected was the vast leap in computational power and density. A smart phone has more computational power than a room sized super computer of the 1960s-70s. A graphics card is several magnitudes more powerful than those same super computers... ironically being used to play video games. Coupled with that computational power was the ability to do fast fourier transforms and facilitate spread spectrum radio technology - used in cellular phones - and provide far more channels without interference in the same limited bandwidth.


Multimillion $$$ Cray-2 supercomputer was once the world's fastest.
Rated at 1.9 GFLOPS (billion floating point operations per second)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-2
...
And it is outperformed by a Gamer GPU card.
Radeon HD 7970: 3,789 GFLOPS (budget)
nVidia GeForce RTX 3090 Ti : 78 TFLOPs (budget buster) (78 trillion ops per second)


https://youtu.be/NcOb3Dilzjc

[Vicus]

If you have a better solution that can accommodate 49.3 Sextillion human beans, by 4000 AD, let us know.[/QUOTE]

The solution before come to that is : Vasalgel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfv9PDRaSTQ

Vasalgel is a proprietary hydrogel injected into the vas deferens (the tube that sperm swim through). The procedure is similar to a vasectomy, but instead of permanently cutting the vas, the hydrogel is intended to act as a flexible filter for sperm. The ultimate goal is for the product to be easily dissolved or flushed out whenever a man wishes to restore the flow of sperm.

https://nextlifesciences.org/vasalgel

https://nextlifesciences.org/faq

this product is existent at least 10 years...

Originally tested in India (when the wannabe "Masters of Universe") still wanted a "normal" control population.

But immediately were Shure that its work, they brake recoil...

Their" excuse " to not bring that to market was, more or less something like that:

Because man don't have monthly hormones dysfunction like woman, they no need a pill but an injection for 6 months, making the product "too expensive" for most men...(do you know any man too dumb for no pay cheerfully for this?)

The real reason is that it would change for ever the birth control from woman to men...
And that clash with their "emasculation" agenda ...

Why? it would be a new "sexual revolution" but this time for men...because every normal intelligent man:
1) will NEVER tell he is on the injection...
2)It will be the end for "0000hppps! pregnancy
3) Men will revaluate woman for another's deals what can she bringer after only sex (can you Cook?
does she have any goals in life? and yada, yada depends what he valuates...)
4) every man knows that any error will be pay with perpetual alimonies life long
5) He will know exactly he is/is not the father his child/children

All of this summarize why you never heard of. :sherlock:

[ozmirage]

If you have a better solution that can accommodate 49.3 Sextillion human beans, by 4000 AD, let us know. The solution before come to that is : BIRTH CONTROL
We'll have to agree to disagree.

I don't consider wiping out the future descendants as a viable solution.

Ironically, socialist countries that did cut back on their birthrates are scrambling to find "warm bodies" to support the growing ranks of aged recipients.
(See: Graying of Europe)
Unfortunately, accepting immigrants from incompatible cultures is backfiring.
They're more likely to become recipients than tax payers. And they're not assimilating too well.

Basically, we're facing Biowar, where the future belongs to the descendants. Fail to make enough, and your procreative neighbors inherit your lands, peacefully or not.

[ozmirage]

Hmmmm I remember seeing something that said our population would start declining due to 3rd world countries being more educated and people deciding to have fewer children. I’ll see if I can find it. That and the fact that the vaccine seems to play a role in infertility.

Edit
https://www.google.com/search?q=world+population+decline+projections&client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&source=hp&ei=2_CZY-7vAYjIkPIPu5KSkA0&oq=workd+population+decline&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBABGAMyBwgAEIAEEAoyBwgAEIAEEAoyBwgAEIAEEAoyBwgAEIAEEAoyBwgAEIAEEAoyB wgAEIAEEAoyBwgAEIAEEAoyBwgAEIAEEAo6CggpELEDEIMBEEM6BQgpEIAEOggIKRCABBCxAzoFCCkQoAE6CwgpEIAEELEDEIMBO gQIKRADOgIIKToOCAAQjwEQ6gIQjAMQ5QI6CAgpELEDEIMBOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBE McBENEDOgsILhCDARCxAxCABDoICAAQsQMQgwE6DggAEIAEELEDEIMBEMkDOgUIABCSAzoICAAQgAQQsQM6CAguELEDEIAEOg4IL hCABBCxAxCDARDUAjoFCAAQgAQ6DgguELEDEIMBEMcBEK8BOgoILhCABBCxAxAKOg0IABCABBCxAxCDARAKOg0ILhCABBCxAxCDA RAKOg8IABCABBCxAxAKEEYQ-wE6CggAEIAEELEDEApQkQtYm1Jg8mZoAXAAeACAAeIBiAHBEJIBBjIwLjMuMZgBAKABAbABHg&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp

POPULATION DOUBLING
(NPG = negative population growth)

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https://web.archive.org/web/20170814235823/http://sweeneyr.faculty.mjc.edu/Population%20Doubling%20time%20by%20Nation.pdf (http://sweeneyr.faculty.mjc.edu/Population%20Doubling%20time%20by%20Nation.pdf)
RUSSIA : NPG
UKRAINE : NPG
GREECE : ZPG
DENMARK : 990 years
AUSTRIA : 990 years
POLAND : 573 years
U.K. : 433 years
FRANCE : 204 years
CANADA : 127 years
USA : 116 years
AUSTRALIA : 100 years
KOREA, S : 75 years
CHINA : 67 years
TURKEY : 43 years
KOREA, N : 39 years
INDIA : 36 years
MEXICO : 32 years
TANZANIA : 23 years
NIGERIA : 23 years
SAUDI ARABIA : 23 years
LIBERIA : 22 years
WEST BANK : 21 years
NIGER : 21 years

[ozmirage]

RESTATEMENT

1. World peace needs space colonization needs world peace. (War is a waste of resources that could be better used for space colonization)
2. Geometric expansion of humanity cannot continue if limited to the finite resources of Earth
3. Money is not prosperity nor real, but an abstraction for reality. Prosperity is based on prodigious production, equitable trade, and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services. Achieving space colonization is not constrained by money, but by the aggregate surplus goods and services available to be diverted to that goal. And higher populations can generate more surplus !
4. Most practical means to colonize the solar system is by constructing immense autonomous self reliant spinning habitats and vivariums, using abundant resources already in outer space (asteroids, comets, moons, etc). Using water in the outermost shell will shield against cosmic rays, beta particles, secondary radiation and most other harmful radiation. (Sorry, no “windows to open space”)
5. Most efficient means to construct the infrastructure is to use autonomous robot factories ("Queen ants") which are seeded upon a multitude of celestial bodies. Each "queen" builds tools, that build the bigger tools, that build the shells, hulls, tanks, and habitats necessary for space colonization.
6. Once completed, giant colonies can "surf gravity" via the Interplanetary Transport Network, to Earth's L4 or L5, where they would be crewed, loaded with embryos, zygotes, and seeds, and commissioned. Then each can be redirected to establish orbits, around the sun, cycling between planets, around moons, or anywhere that suits the crew members. (Cyclers can be low cost but slow means for travellers to "hitch a ride" between planets)
7. Each colony can construct and establish human habitats and vivariums with varied climates to provide a suitable environment for their lifestock.
8. Once the colony growth rate is faster than the human population growth rate, humanity is freed from the limitations imposed by a terrestrial lifestyle. By expanding into the solar system, more abundant life can exist.
9. Thus we fulfill the destiny and meaning of life - to make more life, and more habitats for that abundance of life. Why? Life is an endless struggle against extinction by a hostile inanimate universe.
10. If laser propulsion is perfected, a multitude of orbital laser stations can be established so that vessels can accelerate / decelerate using coherent light powered by our friendly neighborhood fusion reactor.
11. Star systems may be colonized by first sending robot scouts / factories to investigate and begin construction of infrastructure, vessels, and laser propulsion systems. Then launch an armada (i.e., serial packets) of colony transport habitats, via laser propulsion (0.1g acceleration requires 354 days to reach 0.1c), to the neighboring star systems. The continuous long chain of ships, 0.1 light year apart, provide a communications link. One year from destination, decelerate using the laser systems previously built (or the star's own light output), and then crew, provision and commission the habitats and vivariums awaiting their arrival. (Low acceleration is more practical when living within a 1g spinning habitat.)
12. Repeat the process, and expand life outward to new star systems, filling the galaxy in half a billion years or so.


The alternatives aren't as pleasant.

[Tyy1907]

Edgar Mitchell once said how transformative it was seeing the earth from space. And seeing it inspired a sense of duty within him. Duty to fix what's broken.

It's kind of like we forget we live on a planet.

I think our connection to earth is more profound than we think. We're literally a part of earth and we would miss her.

[Johnnycomelately]

:bump:


Edgar Mitchell once said how transformative it was seeing the earth from space. And seeing it inspired a sense of duty within him. Duty to fix what's broken.

It's kind of like we forget we live on a planet.

I think our connection to earth is more profound than we think. We're literally a part of earth and we would miss her.

Yes, I heartily agree. Imagine the lack of Earth’s constraints, and only a devised physical environment. They will need a solid anti-human-nature Law, to not devolve into a race of couch and desk potatoes. Tho I guess drugs might make it feasible.

I have heard of a people, several ‘dimensions’ up from us, who endeavour to bring their whole sun system back to Heaven with them. Iirc, they were on the fifth level of consciousness, throat/neck area chakra in us, and their star shone through their planet. They described themselves, their bodies and home surroundings, as part-material.

[palehorse]

Isn't what projects like Asgardia is trying to do?


"
Mission

Asgardia aims to unite people in a transnational, equal and progressive society to build a new home for humanity in space and protect our cradle — planet Earth.

First Human Born in Space

Our key scientific goal is facilitating the first human childbirth in space — a crucial step on our path to immortality as a species."

source: https://asgardia.space/en/pages/mission

[norman]

We should fix the human condition.

Space colonisation would be regarded as a spreading cancer, under current management and conditioning.

It would fix the problems here on earth too. We're trashing the planet, but the trashers are the very same people who are trying to sell the idea that we're screwed because there are too many useless eaters. Who created useless eaters ? They did. We can fix all this, but not until we get them out of the bloody way, at the very least.

They just don't want to change the things that need to be changed to make living on this planet actually work well. They want to continue to be spiritually ignorant selfish idiots living in a firm belief that they can always get away with that as long it's only a few of them being such toxic vandalistic litter louts.

That is SO ass backwards. If there's any culling to be done it's very obvious where to start. They know that too, that's why they work so hard to make the rest of too confused and stupid the figure it out.

[Tyy1907]

We should fix the human condition.

Space colonisation would be regarded as a spreading cancer, under current management and conditioning.

It would fix the problems here on earth too. We're trashing the planet, but the trashers are the very same people who are trying to sell the idea that we're screwed because there are too many useless eaters. Who created useless eaters ? They did. We can fix all this, but not until we get them out of the bloody way, at the very least.

They just don't want to change the things that need to be changed to make living on this planet actually work well. They want to continue to be spiritually ignorant selfish idiots living in a firm belief that they can always get away with that as long it's only a few of them being such toxic vandalistic litter louts.

That is SO ass backwards. If there's any culling to be done it's very obvious where to start. They know that too, that's why they work so hard to make the rest of too confused and stupid the figure it out.

Here here

This is what could be thought of as the human dilemma! Who are these UNELECTED globalists anyway? What or who gave them the right infiltrate our world and impose THEIR ways on us?

In a sense, through our collective weakness, we were taken over.

This speaks to what can happen when INTERLOPERS infiltrate a society and poison it by imposing materialistic GODLESS ideologies devoid of Love or Compassion. Installing Authoritarian governments thar rule by fear.

That being said it's still not too late to recall, invite, call on the Highest Source of all that is good, our true nature's, for help. Just as we help a brother in need, the Divine CAN and in fact ARE coming to our rescue. Their power truly comes from our intentions for something better.

[ozmirage]

We should fix the human condition.

Space colonisation would be regarded as a spreading cancer, under current management and conditioning.

It would fix the problems here on earth too. We're trashing the planet, but the trashers are the very same people who are trying to sell the idea that we're screwed because there are too many useless eaters. Who created useless eaters ? They did. We can fix all this, but not until we get them out of the bloody way, at the very least.

They just don't want to change the things that need to be changed to make living on this planet actually work well. They want to continue to be spiritually ignorant selfish idiots living in a firm belief that they can always get away with that as long it's only a few of them being such toxic vandalistic litter louts.

That is SO ass backwards. If there's any culling to be done it's very obvious where to start. They know that too, that's why they work so hard to make the rest of too confused and stupid the figure it out.

Here here

This is what could be thought of as the human dilemma! Who are these UNELECTED globalists anyway? What or who gave them the right infiltrate our world and impose THEIR ways on us?

In a sense, through our collective weakness, we were taken over.

This speaks to what can happen when INTERLOPERS infiltrate a society and poison it by imposing materialistic GODLESS ideologies devoid of Love or Compassion. Installing Authoritarian governments thar rule by fear.

That being said it's still not too late to recall, invite, call on the Highest Source of all that is good, our true nature's, for help. Just as we help a brother in need, the Divine CAN and in fact ARE coming to our rescue. Their power truly comes from our intentions for something better.
"Cancer"?
If more abundant life is cancer, and sterile universe is not, bring on the big "C".
Only humans can significantly "thicken" the life bearing volume of a finite surface area on a planet like Earth - and in outer space.
Mother Nature's best attempts are trees and beavers.

"Help"?
I doubt big "G" would interfere. If He gave us "free will" any interference is a violation of that gift.
And if one believes in scripture, Ezekiel 18:13 KJV pretty much condemns the "faithful" as "dead men walking" if they have personal, interest bearing bank accounts (Even Jesus whipped the usurers out of the temple).

PUNK AMISH
Once the production of new colonies outstrips the population growth of humans, there will be plenty of "empties". Any like minded group could commission one and surf gravity to a new orbit. Would be interesting to see the results after a few generations.


MANY EARTHS
Surface area of Earth: 510,072,000 km2 (196,940,000 sq mi), or one “Terrestrial” or Terr.
. . .
An “Island Three” O’Neill dual cylinder space habitat has an equivalent of 0.0021 Terrestrials, in surface area. (If subdivided into concentric cylindrical decks)
. . .
To reach one Terrestrial, 475 space habitats would need to be constructed. If the production cycle was 20 years per habitat, and each habitat built another, it would only take 9 cycles or 180 years (9 x 20 years).
If we started building Colony One in 2040 - - - -

2040: 0
2060: 1
2080: 3
2100: 7
2120: 15
2140: 31
2160: 63
2180: 127
2200: 255
2220: 511 <<1.07 Terrs.
2240: 1023 <2.14 Terrs.
2260: 2047 <4.38 Terrs.
2280: 4095 <8.76 Terrs.
. . .
3000: 2.815 e+14 < 5.911 e+11 Terrs (0.591 Trillion Terrs)
4000: 3.169 e+29 < 1.331 e+27 Terrs (3.169 Octillion Terrs)

The obvious point is that colonizing space via orbiting habitats is far more efficient and practical than seeking equivalent terrestrial planets, or terraforming planets in our own solar system.

[ozmirage]

In case you're concerned about money - that's a symptom of money madness. To colonize outer space will require the abandonment of money madness and its limitations.

The money does not exist.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/current/
Search report for "currency in circulation"
(approx. 2 trillion dollar bills are in circulation)

Even the promise of space colonization and exploitation is skewed by money madness. This site shows over 600,000 asteroids listed with “economic value” denominated in trillions and quadrillions of “dollars.”
http://www.asterank.com/

What if an entrepreneur (or a group of billionaires) walked into the biggest bank in the world, and said, “I would like to borrow 100 trillion dollars to be used to mine asteroids whose net worth is 40 quadrillion dollars, and gladly pay you ten percent interest per year....”

Can not happen.
The money does not exist.
(For CONgress to authorize more "dollar bills" it would have to "borrow" them into existence, via deficits. Yeah, insane.)

This is also the problem with usury, the abomination. Usury is mathematically unsustainable in a finite money token system due to the exponential equation used for compound interest. Over the long term, one needs an infinite money supply. That is not possible, thus a portion of debtors must default because enough money never existed to pay all outstanding usury (principal and interest). In short, usury was and is a scam to rob people, which explains why it was denounced for “only” 3500 years and proscribed by every religion that I checked.

SO any objections about "cost in money" are based on insanity. Ditto, for "return on investment."

In reality, labor multiplied by tools and machines is what generates the surplus needed to sustain us. Once freed of the limitations of money madness, we might see some real progress in colonizing the up and out.

[Tyy1907]

We should fix the human condition.

Space colonisation would be regarded as a spreading cancer, under current management and conditioning.

It would fix the problems here on earth too. We're trashing the planet, but the trashers are the very same people who are trying to sell the idea that we're screwed because there are too many useless eaters. Who created useless eaters ? They did. We can fix all this, but not until we get them out of the bloody way, at the very least.

They just don't want to change the things that need to be changed to make living on this planet actually work well. They want to continue to be spiritually ignorant selfish idiots living in a firm belief that they can always get away with that as long it's only a few of them being such toxic vandalistic litter louts.

That is SO ass backwards. If there's any culling to be done it's very obvious where to start. They know that too, that's why they work so hard to make the rest of too confused and stupid the figure it out.

Here here

This is what could be thought of as the human dilemma! Who are these UNELECTED globalists anyway? What or who gave them the right infiltrate our world and impose THEIR ways on us?

In a sense, through our collective weakness, we were taken over.

This speaks to what can happen when INTERLOPERS infiltrate a society and poison it by imposing materialistic GODLESS ideologies devoid of Love or Compassion. Installing Authoritarian governments thar rule by fear.

That being said it's still not too late to recall, invite, call on the Highest Source of all that is good, our true nature's, for help. Just as we help a brother in need, the Divine CAN and in fact ARE coming to our rescue. Their power truly comes from our intentions for something better.
"Cancer"?
If more abundant life is cancer, and sterile universe is not, bring on the big "C".
Only humans can significantly "thicken" the life bearing volume of a finite surface area on a planet like Earth - and in outer space.
Mother Nature's best attempts are trees and beavers.

"Help"?
I doubt big "G" would interfere. If He gave us "free will" any interference is a violation of that gift.
And if one believes in scripture, Ezekiel 18:13 KJV pretty much condemns the "faithful" as "dead men walking" if they have personal, interest bearing bank accounts (Even Jesus whipped the usurers out of the temple).

PUNK AMISH
Once the production of new colonies outstrips the population growth of humans, there will be plenty of "empties". Any like minded group could commission one and surf gravity to a new orbit. Would be interesting to see the results after a few generations.


MANY EARTHS
Surface area of Earth: 510,072,000 km2 (196,940,000 sq mi), or one “Terrestrial” or Terr.
. . .
An “Island Three” O’Neill dual cylinder space habitat has an equivalent of 0.0021 Terrestrials, in surface area. (If subdivided into concentric cylindrical decks)
. . .
To reach one Terrestrial, 475 space habitats would need to be constructed. If the production cycle was 20 years per habitat, and each habitat built another, it would only take 9 cycles or 180 years (9 x 20 years).
If we started building Colony One in 2040 - - - -

2040: 0
2060: 1
2080: 3
2100: 7
2120: 15
2140: 31
2160: 63
2180: 127
2200: 255
2220: 511 <<1.07 Terrs.
2240: 1023 <2.14 Terrs.
2260: 2047 <4.38 Terrs.
2280: 4095 <8.76 Terrs.
. . .
3000: 2.815 e+14 < 5.911 e+11 Terrs (0.591 Trillion Terrs)
4000: 3.169 e+29 < 1.331 e+27 Terrs (3.169 Octillion Terrs)

The obvious point is that colonizing space via orbiting habitats is far more efficient and practical than seeking equivalent terrestrial planets, or terraforming planets in our own solar system.

Big G

This is precisely why requests must be made for an intervention, Because freewill will not be violated. But with an invitation, a yearning, a conviction to want what is in fact ours to begin with, directed to Creator, will be acted upon. You can take this to the bank.

Divine warnings are being issued about our safety. Do we have ears to hear them.

"They will deceive even the very elect,"

[ozmirage]

ASTEROIDS R US

Scientists think the M-type (metallic) asteroid 16 Psyche is comprised mostly of metallic iron and nickel similar to Earth’s core.
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/asteroids/16-psyche/in-depth/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_Psyche
16 Psyche (asteroid) mass : (2.23±0.36)×10^19 kg

From this one asteroid, one could build 546,256,494,080 battleships of the Iowa Class.
IOWA class battleship weighs 45,000 tons (40,823,313.3 kg, or 40,823 metric tonnes)

{Of course, we’d rather build autonomous space colonies, instead of armored dreadnoughts in space.}
[An O’Neill cylinder 5 miles x 20 miles, 1304 decks, holding approx. 10.36 million crew.
Massing 26,742 megatonnes per colony]
ONE ASTEROID could be the source of an
Estimated 833,895 space colonies

Hosting population of 8.637E+12 (8.637 trillions)

Surface area equivalent to 877 Earths

THAT'S JUST FROM ONE ASTEROID.

http://www.asterank.com/

But we have plenty of candidates that are closer to home - - -
It is currently estimated that there are about 1,000 Earth-crossing asteroids larger than 1 km (0.6 mile). Just liberally sprinkle with autonomous, self replicating factory scouts, and, in time, have a "round up" of finished products and materials.

[ozmirage]

I find it odd, that there are so many who object to engineering a multitude of habitats that can vastly exceed the habitat capacity of the Earth. Isn't more abundant life the goal of life?

Remember, environmental preservation is suicidal. We need environmental amplification - vastly increasing the life bearing volume of Earth - and of outer space.

What is objectionable about converting raw materials (outside Earth), and "free" sunlight into habitats and vivariums hosting an abundance of life ?

Frankly, once there is a significant amount of habitat in orbit around the sun, planets, and moons, Earth has an "insurance policy" in the event of a terrestrial calamity. There will be plenty of sources to restock any population that has been impacted.

[ozmirage]

Orbis Oceanus

= = = =
Imagine, if you will, living within an ocean, but not getting wet. If you could look, with X-Ray eyes, you would see an ocean in all directions. This fantastic vision is how life is sustained within our orbiting vivarium, a giant habitat in outer space.

This anthropogenic earth like environment contains multitudes of climates, topographies, and oceans, in nested cylinders, all spinning to impart that essential feeling of weight from gravity.

The outermost shell is the grand ocean, spinning at one G. The ocean shell provides the ideal shield from beta particles, cosmic rays, decelerates hypervelocity micrometeoroids, plugs holes with ice, and provides habitat for a multitude of aquatic life... oh, and is a reservoir for the colony’s water supply. The ocean is 10 kilometers deep, holding 625,176,938 cu km. (The earth’s oceans, seas, and bays hold 1,338,000,000 cu km - a little over twice that of the sky ocean in one cylinder.)

Life in the mothership is a heady mix of activity. Our mission is simple - more abundant life. We expand habitat - of all life. We tend to wildlife and its habitat, we have food production, and we have human habitat, all within a spinning cylinder 1000 km in radius and 10,000 km long (621.3 mi in radius x 6213.7 mi).

If you only had human habitat shells, the total surface area would be that of 2,020 earths. Of course, we don’t human format the whole vessel. Large volumes are reserved for varied climates, ecologies, and wildlife habitats, to support life in almost infinite diverse combinations. Still, with the potential for 2020 earths per cylinder, the wisdom in building titanic orbital habitats instead of terraforming planets and moons is obvious.

Ironic that the ancient futurists and science fiction writers had not imagined this destiny for Terran life - and its slow, steady migration across the galaxy.

[ozmirage]

= = = =
EXOTIC MATERIALS
= = = =

NEW SUPER MATERIAL
Linear acetylenic carbon... a sci-fi author's dream material
- - -
Carbyne chains have been claimed to be the strongest material known per density. Calculations indicate that carbyne’s specific tensile strength (strength divided by density) of 6.0–7.5×107 N·m/kg beats


graphene (4.7–5.5×107 N·m/kg),
carbon nanotubes (4.3–5.0×107 N·m/kg), and
diamond (2.5–6.5×107 N·m/kg).

Its specific modulus (Young's Modulus divided by density) of around 109 N·m/kg is also double that of graphene, which is around 4.5×108 N·m/kg.

Stretching carbyne 10% alters its electronic band gap from 3.2 to 4.4 eV. Outfitted with molecular handles at chain's ends, it can also be twisted to alter its band gap. With a 90-degree end-to-end rotation, it becomes a magnetic semiconductor just by stretching the material by 10% and finally, when twisted by 90°, carbyne also turns into a magnetic semiconductor.

Carbyne chains can take on side molecules that may make the chains suitable for energy and hydrogen storage.

The material is stable at room temperature, largely resisting crosslinks with nearby chains. The rods' stiffness prevents them from coming together in a second location, at least at room temperature.

https://futurism.com/first-direct-proof-stable-carbyne-worlds-strongest-material/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_acetylenic_carbon
= = = =


:-:-: Metallic Hydrogen :-:-:

Potential Solution for Spaceflight
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/hydrogen-metal-revolution-technology-space-rockets-superconductor-harvard-university-a7548221.html?cmpid=facebook-post
https://www.inverse.com/article/26969-scientists-create-metallic-hydrogen-100-years


Scientists created the metallic hydrogen by pressurizing a hydrogen sample to more pounds per square inch than exists at the center of the Earth. This broke the molecule down from its solid state and allowed the particles to dissociate into atomic hydrogen.

Metallic hydrogen could potentially enable rockets to get into orbit in a single stage, even allowing humans to explore the outer planets. Metallic hydrogen is predicted to be "metastable" — meaning if you make it at a very high pressure then release it, it'll stay at that pressure. A diamond, for example, is a metastable form of graphite. If you take graphite, pressurize it, then heat it, it becomes a diamond; if you take the pressure off, it's still a diamond. But if you heat it again, it will revert back to graphite.

Metallic hydrogen has also been predicted to be a high- or possibly room-temperature superconductor. There are no other known room-temperature superconductors in existence, meaning the applications are immense — particularly for the electric grid, which suffers for energy lost through heat dissipation. It could also facilitate magnetic levitation for futuristic high-speed trains; substantially improve performance of electric cars; and revolutionize the way energy is produced and stored.

= = = =
(Mag-lev catapults could also drastically cut the cost for vehicle launches into orbit)

[ozmirage]

RADs

COSMIC SHIELDING
Though space habitats are often shown with large expanses of transparent shells, it is highly unlikely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_threat_from_cosmic_rays
Several strategies are being studied for ameliorating the effects of cosmic radiation hazard for planned human interplanetary spaceflight:
_ _ Spacecraft can be constructed out of hydrogen-rich plastics, rather than aluminium.

What's wrong with metals?
Secondary radiation.

Radiation reference:
http://www.clavius.org/envradintro.html
Beta particles are very small and can penetrate centimeters into the body. But luckily they're too small to cause much damage if they hit anything. But there's a special problem here. When beta particles hit large atoms, the impact causes those atoms to give off x-rays. Metal atoms are usually quite heavy, and so are especially susceptible to this kind of re-radiation which is known by its German name "Bremsstrahlung". In fact, this is how x-rays are produced intentionally for medical applications.

The best materials to shield against beta particles have lots of hydrogen atoms in them. Hydrogen atoms are light, and so absorb the particles without giving off x-rays. Plain old water works very well. In fact, 4 inches (10 centimeters) of water will block almost all background beta particles.

Surrounding a space vehicle with a shell filled with water makes a lot of sense. Plus it can be part of the dynamic equilibrium system that compensates for mass moving within the spinning vehicle.

SPIN DIZZY
The instability - or rather the tendency to reorient for the minimum kinetic rotational energy for a fixed angular momentum (this being the maximal-inertia axis) - becomes a problem if the material inside the rotating cylinder can move around. And if there are people living inside the habitat, they will move around and they will move things around, too.

The height to width ratio of the rotating cylindrical space habitat should be 2.45 or less. (Or height = 4.9 x radius)

For a colony with a 5 mile diameter, the maximum height of the cylinder should not exceed 12.25 miles. Therefore a 20 mile long colony would have to be subdivided into at least two 10 mile long cylinders. If these cylinders are spun in opposite directions, that would dampen coriolis forces.

It is generally believed that at 2 rpm or less, no adverse effects from the Coriolis forces will occur. At 2 RPM, to generate 1.0g, you need a minimum radius of 733.1 ft (223.5m). Any smaller radius at 2 RPM, will generate lesser G forces. And larger radii require lower RPM - the bigger the better - to prevent "spin dizziness."

Bizarre behavior of rotating bodies in zero-G.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VPfZ_XzisU

[onawah]

A little informed commentary as to why Musk et al are looking at colonizing space.

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[ozmirage]

One explanation for the LACK OF INTEREST in space colonization by national governments (and the banksters that run them) - - -
USURY cannot operate in an autonomous, self sufficient space colony. Nor can money madness.

What’s wrong with usury? Other than it’s mathematically unsustainable in a finite money token system, requires an infinite money token supply due to the exponential equation used for calculating compound interest, and proscribed as an abomination for “only” 3500 years - nothing really. (Sarcasm off)
Usury is a scam, derived from applying the concept of “natural increase” - the ancients’ rate of return on investment - to money. Since money is a dead thing and does not reproduce, the whole premise of usury is built upon a connivance and fraud. As long as the debtor cannot create the money token, the demands of usury will cause a proportion of debtors to default and lose their collateral, simply because enough money never can exist for all to repay their debts. In short, usury is a scam to cheat and rob, and protected by every government (usually in hock to those same usurers).

Restating: the function of any medium of exchange is to facilitate trade beyond simple barter. Whatever is used as that medium basically passes an equitable value to a future trade, thus all parties are satisfied. (If the value was inequitable, someone would be cheated) And when those who generate the goods and services (labor and industry) do not also generate the money tokens used to acquire their products, they're being victimized by those who DO.

Once in orbit, in a self sufficient habitat, utilizing "free" power from Sol, there's nothing to "buy" with money. All that is available for trade is that which is generated within the colony, itself. Anything shipped from a gravity well like Earth or from a distant colony, will involve either a large amount of resources (fuel) or a large amount of time (from "surfing gravity" via the Interplanetary Transport Network).

In short, the prosperity of the colony is totally dependent upon the surplus goods and services it generates, equitably traded and enjoyed. There's no way bankers can take a skim of that!

[JackMcThorn]

Hans Rosling - (27 July 1948 – 7 February 2017) was a Swedish physician, academic and public speaker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Rosling

Hans Rosling has several talks online before his passing in 2o17. I selected one of them for your perusal, but I recommend a quick search to reveal his other talks [They have been around for a while[years]].

In the video I selected he discusses what is happening with the world population and the pace for the next century. The alarmist mentality of population growth is unfounded, according to him.

Why the world population won’t exceed 11 billion [Part 5 of 6 - 17 minutes]:

2LyzBoHo5EI

[ozmirage]

Hans Rosling - (27 July 1948 – 7 February 2017) was a Swedish physician, academic and public speaker.
Why the world population won’t exceed 11 billion...
I can't determine if he's blind, an apologist for socialism, or a disinformation agent.
FACTS that dispute his conclusions:
[] Socialist "paradises" are exhibiting substantial drops in birthrates, and some, like Russia and Ukraine, have dipped into NEGATIVE population growth.
It has nothing to do with relative prosperity, or development. And China's 1 child policy has really caused havoc, due to a preference for male children (to better support the parents).

[] NON-socialist countries (and Islamic countries) have a much higher birthrate, regardless of relative prosperity (see: Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Syria, etc.). And they're exporting their "surplus" population to (guess where?) "socialist paradises." In many cases, the immigrants are disguising the genocidal drop in fertility.
[SEE: "Graying of Europe"]

Before "glorious" socialism, security in old age was dependent upon one's family or private charity. So po' folk had plenty of children, to ease the burden for their eventual care. Along comes socialism, with the allure of "taxing other people's children" for your retirement, and whammo - bammo. Birthrates dropped. Plus, the socialist tax burden has pushed all adults into the workforce, which means women of childbearing years are discouraged from having "expensive" child(ren) - especially when day care can eat up half a day's salary. Ironically, in the "evil" pre-socialist days, a single working man could support a wife to stay at home and care for their child(ren).

Well, the "bill" has come due - the growth rate of recipients is far outstripping the growth rate of donors (taxpayers). At this time, in the USA, there are less than TWO taxpayers per recipient. When that drops to less than ONE taxpayer per recipient, what do you think will happen?
[] Recipient riots? -or-
[] Taxpayer revolts?
Either one is nasty.
And when the socialist paradises are overrun with non-socialists, wonder what will happen then?
The future belongs to the descendants. Fail to make enough, and your neighbors enjoy the posterity your ancestors fought to bestow on you.

SOME REFERENCE DATA - - -

BIOWAR Population Challenge
Who will make the future descendants?
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ANNUAL POPULATION GROWTH RATE

Lithuania . . . -1.63%
Latvia . . . . . -1.18%
Romania . . . -0.79%
Portugal . . . -0.45%
Spain . . . . . -0.21%
Japan . . . . . -0.12%
= = = = = = = = = =
Belarus - - - - 0.01%
Poland - - - - - 0.02%
Russia - - - - - 0.04%
Germany - - - 0.06%
Italy - - - - - - - 0.07%
Cuba- - - - - - - 0.14%
Ireland - - - - - 0.31%
Netherlands - - 0.35%
Denmark - - - - 0.42%
France - - - - - -0.45% (under one half world avg)
UK - - - - - - - -0.63%
United States - 0.75%
Canada - - - - -1.04%
Switzerland - -1.16%
WORLD AVG 1.18% <<<<
Mexico - - - - - 1.37%
Israel - - - - - - -1.66%
Turkey - - - - - -1.69%
Guatemala - - - 2.08%
Pakistan - - - - -2.11%
Saudi Arabia - - 2.32% (double world avg)
Yemen - - - - - - 2.52%
Nigeria - - - - - - 2.67%
Palestine - - - - - 2.75%
Afghanistan - - -3.02%
Jordan - - - - - - -3.06%
Iraq - - - - - - - - -3.31%
Niger - - - - - - - 4.00% (triple world avg)
Kuwait - - - - - - 4.81% (quadruple world avg)
Lebanon - - - - - 5.99%
Oman - - - - - - - 8.45% (7 times world avg)
SOURCE:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_growth_rate
UN 2010-2015 column data
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Population doubling (in Years)

https://web.archive.org/web/20170814235823/http://sweeneyr.faculty.mjc.edu/Population%20Doubling%20time%20by%20Nation.pdf

RUSSIA : NPG
UKRAINE : NPG
GREECE : ZPG
DENMARK : 990 years
AUSTRIA : 990 years
POLAND : 573 years
U.K. : 433 years
FRANCE : 204 years
CANADA : 127 years
USA : 116 years
AUSTRALIA : 100 years
KOREA, S : 75 years
CHINA : 67 years
TURKEY : 43 years
KOREA, N : 39 years
INDIA : 36 years (1.2 billion to 2.4 billion in 2058!)
MEXICO : 32 years
TANZANIA : 23 years
NIGERIA : 23 years
SAUDI ARABIA : 23 years
LIBERIA : 22 years
WEST BANK : 21 years
NIGER : 21 years
: : : : : : : : : : : :

The total fertility rate at replacement is 2.33 children per woman. (23.3 per thousand)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2054.html
.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ..
Japan . . . . . 7.8 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)
Canada . . . 10.3 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)
Russia . . . . 11.3 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)
Australia . . 12.1 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)
Norway . . . 12.2 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)
China . . . . .12.4 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)
USA . . . . . .12.5 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)
Iran . . . . . . 17.8 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)
Mexico . . . 18.5 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)
- - - not replacing ^^^^^^^^
Iraq . . . . . . 30.9 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)
Afghanistan 38.3 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)
Uganda . . . 43.4 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)
Niger . . . . . 44.8 births/1,000 population (2016 est.)

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YEARS TO DOUBLE POPULATION (by nation)
https://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/Download/Standard/Population/

WORLD : 1.18 % (60 year doubling)
USA : 0.75% (93 year doubling)
Mexico : 1.37% (51 year doubling)
. . .
Lebanon . . . 5.99% . . . 11.7 years
Kuwait . . . . 4.81% . . . 14.5 years
Niger. . . . . . 4.00% . . . 17.5 years
Iraq . . . . . . . 3.31% . . . 21.1 years
Uganda . . . . 3.27% . . . 21.4 years
Tanzania. . . . 3.16% . . . 22.1 years
Pakistan . . . . 2.11% . . . 33.2 years
India . . . . . . .1.26% . . . 55.6 years
Iran . . . . . . . .1.27% . . . 55.2 years
Indonesia. . . .1.28% . . . 54.7 years
Japan . . . . . . -0.12% . . . 0.0 years
Russia . . . . . . 0.04% . .1,666.7 years
Poland . . . . . 0.02% . . 3,684.2 years
Ireland . . . . . 0.31% . . . 228.8 years
Denmark . . . 0.42% . . . 166.3 years
Latvia . . . . .-1.18 % . . . 0.0 years
Lithuania . . -1.63 %. . . 0.0 years
Norway . . . . 1.27 %. . . 55.3 years
Sweden . . . . 0.83 %. . . 84.4 years
UK . . . . . . . 0.63 %. . . 111.5 years
Portugal . . . -0.45 %. . . 0.0 years
Serbia . . . . . -0.47 %. . . 0.0 years
Slovenia . . . 0.15 %. . . 479.5 years
Spain . . . . . -0.21 %. . . 0.0 years
Belgium. . . . 0.66 %. . . 105.4 years
France . . . . . 0.45 %. . . 155.6 years
Germany . . . 0.06 %. . . 1,111.1 years
Cuba. . . . . . .0.14 %. . . 486.1 years
Haiti . . . . . . 1.38 %. . . 50.9 years
Dominican
Republic . . .1.24 %. . . 56.7 years
Jamaica. . . . 0.38 %. . . 186.2 years
Brazil. . . . . 0.91 %. . . 77.0 years
Chile . . . . . 1.07 %. . . 65.5 years
Canada . . . .1.04 %. . . 67.6 years

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe
The ageing of Europe, also known as the greying of Europe, is a demographic phenomenon in Europe characterized by a decrease in fertility, a decrease in mortality rate, and a higher life expectancy among European populations.

Low birth rates and higher life expectancy contribute to the transformation of Europe's population pyramid shape. The most significant change will be the transition towards a much older population structure, resulting in a decrease in the proportion of the working age while the number of the retired population increases.

The total number of the older population is projected to increase greatly within the coming decades, with rising proportions of the post-war baby-boom generations reaching retirement. This will cause a high burden on the working age population as they provide for the increase number of the older population.
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The data is somewhat confusing, but the point is simple:
Birthrates have plummeted in certain socialist countries. But overall population may still be rising due to the boom in the elderly (and drop in the death rate). AND those that have socialist insecurity ("taxing other people's children") are running out of "other people's children" to tax. (But even this is skewed by revenue streams from oil)

This, in turn, has instigated policies to encourage IMMIGRATION to boost the tax rolls. Unfortunately, many immigrant pools come from less educated or incompatible cultures, which are causing problems. Especially, when the illegal / undocumented migrants work "under the table" and don't pay as much taxes.

One correspondent suggested a "science fiction" solution - rapid development of robotic servants to care for the booming elderly population. But that does nothing to encourage the fertile portion to start "getting busy." Once a population starts into decline, it is difficult to reverse that trend.

Birthrate BioWar
Dar-es-Salaam
http://www.gees.org/articulos/will-islam-become-the-religion-of-europe
Colonel Muammar Gaddafi declared that “Islam should become the religion of the whole of Europe.” (not by guns, but by birthrate)

Gaddafi’s vision of an Islamicized Europe is closer to becoming a reality than many Europeans are willing to admit. According to the Pew Research Center, Islam is already the fastest-growing religion in Europe, where the number of Muslims has tripled over the past 30 years. Most demographers forecast a similar or even higher rate of growth in the coming decades.
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Muslims dedicated to Jihad don't care about the predictions of socialists and statisticians.
Note: It took Spain almost 700 years to expel the Muslims.

This video on Political Islam is very disturbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
Bill Warner - intro to Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBDDC4wVxk
https://youtu.be/-ilFbbk9jw4
. . .
POLITICAL ISLAM
Tears of Jihad (1400 years and counting)
Kafir Deaths (cumulative)
• Christians : 60 million
• Buddhists : 10 million
• Hindus : 80 million
• Africans : 120 million
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Total : 270 million (conservative) over 800 million (Muslim bragging)
Source : www.politicalislam.com (http://www.politicalislam.com)
(Not to mention the millions captured, enslaved, castrated and abused.)
= = = = = = =
https://www.usdebtclock.org/

AND THE NEXT SHOE DROPPING WILL BE . . . .
USA (2022)

OUTLAYS: . . $6.8 Trillion
REVENUES: . $3.8 Trillion
DEFICIT:. . . . $3.0 Trillion

{Any deficit implies higher future taxes}

POPULATION : . . 332,832,595
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . % OF POP. total
WORKERS: . . . . . .158,568,368 ; 48%
PRIVATE . . . . . . . . .125,214,156 ; 38%
PUBLIC . . . . . . . . . . 23,270,226 ; 7%
SELF-EMPLOYED . . . 9,260,536 ; 3%

Not in Labor Force : . . . . 99,010,047 ; 30%
Non-Taxpayers : . . . 107,000,000 ; 32%
Taxpayers : . . . . . . . . . 51,568,368 ; 15%

vs Taxpayers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . % OF POP. of Taxpayers
US RETIREES : . . . . . . . 56,372,496 ; 109%
US DISABLED : . . . . . . . 9,146,091 ; 18%
MEDICARE : . . . . . . . . . 63,178,498 ; 123%
MEDICAID : . . . . . . . . . .84,530,677 ; 164%
IN POVERTY : . . . . . . . . 39,800,442 ; 77%

vs WORKERS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . % OF POP. of workers
Dependents : . . . . . . . 174,264,227 ; 110%

Ratios
1:1 ... 100%
1:2 ... 50%
1:3 ... 33%
1:4 ... 25%

(Any percentage over 100% means less than 1 taxpayer is supporting the recipient)
No matter who is elected, you can be sure that : the tax bill will go UP, there will be fewer taxpayers per recipients, the debt ceiling will go UP, and so will the debt service (interest). If you're a recipient, things look great. If you're a donor (taxpayer), you're .

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/US_per_capita_spending.html
2022 GDP: $23.499 T, U.S. population : 332.3 M, Per Capita : $70,716.22
● Federal spending, per capita : $18,090.2 (percentage of GDP: 25.5%)
● State spending, per capita : $ 6,931.7 (percentage of GDP: 9.8%)
● Local spending, per capita : $ 6,487.7 (percentage of GDP: 9.1%)
Summed up, combined government spending takes (approx) 44.4% of the GDP.
...
100 years ago, less than 1% was taken by the Federal government (and we can extrapolate that state and local taxes were equally minuscule).

SALT IN THE WOUND - The federal government owns 28% of ALL the land in the united States of America. Approximately 635,600,000 acres (roughly 2 acres per capita). Ironically, the Feds act like they're po' relatives asking for more from us.

But I digress.

[B]THE POINT - - -
THOSE folks who aren't making enough descendants will eventually go extinct. (genocidal socialists, environMentalists, etc)

THOSE folks who are making a surplus, will export that surplus and marginalize the aboriginal / indigenous folks (not unlike what the Europeans did in Americas, Australia, Africa, etc.)

There will be an IDEOLOGICAL CONFLICT between Islam and everyone else. (It's inherent in Islam - jihad is mandatory)

THE FINAL TALLY may be far beyond 11 billion or a tiny sliver (500,000,000) if the Georgia Guidestones have any validity.
On which one will you "bet your life"?
IMHO, rapid colonization of outer space is critical if we wish to avoid the approaching chaos.

[Mari]

My thoughts...

Current Humankind has been 'quarantined' from colonizing space for a very long time. Advanced civilizations will not allow us to 'spread' ourselves out there until we've cleaned up our own mess. Despite our current technology, and it is puny in comparison with other Interdimensionals/off-worlders' tech, we are still regarded as a kindergarten barbaric war-loving species. We'd be a danger to any life forms out there lower than us.
And talking of war-like... in our current paradigm, guess who would be the first to 'leave' and travel out there? It certainly wouldn't be humble Joe Bloggs/Mister ordinary, but the reps of the most most powerful and rich countries, out to spread out their little empires beyond the confines of Earth.

Colonization will come, but not until we've evolved into a more loving, benign species, deserving of being included in the Galactic hierarchy.

[JackMcThorn]

I can't determine if he's blind, an apologist for socialism, or a disinformation agent.

I do not want to argue with you, but I will try to address some of your points, you obviously took some time to put this missive together.


FACTS that dispute his conclusions:
[] Socialist "paradises" are exhibiting substantial drops in birthrates, and some, like Russia and Ukraine, have dipped into NEGATIVE population growth.
It has nothing to do with relative prosperity, or development. And China's 1 child policy has really caused havoc, due to a preference for male children (to better support the parents).

How is Russia and Ukraine 'a socialist paradise'? People are not flocking to these countries and recently millions have fled Ukraine for obvious reasons. America is not really considered socialist and has a negative population growth for some time, this is not a surprise. These stats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w [2o minutes of your time] indicate that it has everything to do with prosperity and development. Further, China abandoned its one child policy in 2o15. How do you 'prefer' a gender? You can't force yourself to have a son over a daughter. 'You know what they say in economics: development is the best birth control,” says Song Limin of the Population Research Institute at Liaoning University.' (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/02/china-population-control-two-child-policy)


[] NON-socialist countries (and Islamic countries) have a much higher birthrate, regardless of relative prosperity (see: Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Syria, etc.). And they're exporting their "surplus" population to (guess where?) "socialist paradises." In many cases, the immigrants are disguising the genocidal drop in fertility. [SEE: "Graying of Europe"]

Some middle eastern countries enjoy prosperity and larger families but this is not a pattern covering the globe. Syria is war-torn and not exactly prosperous. Many African nations are improving in development but are still having larger families and have higher mortality rates. Many of these countries are Third World or Second World and do not uniformly enjoy prosperity at the rate the 1st World does. A socialist vs. non-socialist delineating factor seems like a broad brush. These countries are not really 'exporting' surplus workers. People are leaving due to war [violence/persecution] and legal reasons. I am currently staying at an asylum centre in Ireland. There are about 7o,ooo Ukrainians in Ireland and 8,ooo asylum seekers from countries in the east of Europe, Middle East and Africa mostly. The system here due to the Ukrainians is at a bursting point, some of them were stuck at the airport with no accommodation for weeks. Part of the fault lies in america with its 'interests' in the middle east and part of the fault lies with Europe. You know historically Europe pretty much invaded the world, especially the U.K. and France and they hate the immigration issues they are currently dealing with.


Before "glorious" socialism, security in old age was dependent upon one's family or private charity. So po' folk had plenty of children, to ease the burden for their eventual care. Along comes socialism, with the allure of "taxing other people's children" for your retirement, and whammo - bammo. Birthrates dropped. Plus, the socialist tax burden has pushed all adults into the workforce, which means women of childbearing years are discouraged from having "expensive" child(ren) - especially when day care can eat up half a day's salary. Ironically, in the "evil" pre-socialist days, a single working man could support a wife to stay at home and care for their child(ren).

There is an argument in america that po' folk had many children due to many hands making light work on the farm. Social Security in america started in 1935 as a measure to care for the elderly and disabled; this was before the post-war Baby Boom. A full life of paying into the system by working generates a meagre benefit in your later years, one in which some take advantage of working limits to $1k per month to make ends meet. My ex-wife was able to stay at home part of the time, this is still possible in the modern era.


Well, the "bill" has come due - the growth rate of recipients is far outstripping the growth rate of donors (taxpayers). At this time, in the USA, there are less than TWO taxpayers per recipient. When that drops to less than ONE taxpayer per recipient, what do you think will happen?
[] Recipient riots? -or-
[] Taxpayer revolts?
Either one is nasty.
And when the socialist paradises are overrun with non-socialists, wonder what will happen then?
The future belongs to the descendants. Fail to make enough, and your neighbors enjoy the posterity your ancestors fought to bestow on you.

[All things being equal, america got itself into this mess. I wouldn't call america a socialist paradise. I voted with my feet 4 years ago.]


SOME REFERENCE DATA - - - clipped The total fertility rate at replacement is 2.33 children per woman. (23.3 per thousand)

Many countries are not replacing their population, this is not new, the ones in trouble are well aware of it. Most of the population increases are from the obvious countries and Africa in the near future. But this data also reflects less of an urgency regarding overpopulation.


The data is somewhat confusing, but the point is simple:
Birthrates have plummeted in certain socialist countries. But overall population may still be rising due to the boom in the elderly (and drop in the death rate). AND those that have socialist insecurity ("taxing other people's children") are running out of "other people's children" to tax. (But even this is skewed by revenue streams from oil)

Countries like Bahrain pay their populace an annual stipend based on oil earnings. I am not convinced of 'other peoples children' paying the bulk of security due to a long worker's history of its own contributions. The average age has not increased by much. Age of collection of benefits is often adjusted as people are living longer. Death rates average about 1/2 of birth rates at the moment and about 75% of the birth rate since 195o.


This, in turn, has instigated policies to encourage IMMIGRATION to boost the tax rolls. Unfortunately, many immigrant pools come from less educated or incompatible cultures, which are causing problems. Especially, when the illegal / undocumented migrants work "under the table" and don't pay as much taxes.

Europe right now is hating immigration for the problems you cite and more. I say its their own fault. The U.K. is considering sending refugees to Rwanda. They haven't sent one yet. It is a very touchy topic in Europe.


SALT IN THE WOUND - The federal government owns 28% of ALL the land in the united States of America. Approximately 635,600,000 acres (roughly 2 acres per capita). Ironically, the Feds act like they're po' relatives asking for more from us.

The feds would never get what that land is worth and most of it is protected national parks.


THOSE folks who aren't making enough descendants will eventually go extinct. (genocidal socialists, environMentalists, etc)

THOSE folks who are making a surplus, will export that surplus and marginalize the aboriginal / indigenous folks (not unlike what the Europeans did in Americas, Australia, Africa, etc.)

There will be an IDEOLOGICAL CONFLICT between Islam and everyone else. (It's inherent in Islam - jihad is mandatory)

THE FINAL TALLY may be far beyond 11 billion or a tiny sliver (500,000,000) if the Georgia Guidestones have any validity.
On which one will you "bet your life"?
IMHO, rapid colonization of outer space is critical if we wish to avoid the approaching chaos.

I have some problems with your commentary on colonizing space but I will reserve my comments for another missive. I re-read the entire thread and it answered most of my questions.

[ozmirage]

To simplify things, consider that prosperity is based on prodigious production of surplus usable goods and services, equitably traded and enjoyed. Money has nothing to do with it... unless the society is money mad.
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If you owned all the money in the world, you would be "poor". Why? Because everyone else is trading without needing YOUR money. For any money token to have trade value, it has to be DESIRABLE & SCARCE. Scarcity is essential for the usurers to skim their vast fortunes. The remedy is the private issuance by the people who can create their OWN mediums of exchange, not borrowed at usury.
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Consider that all production is based on labor multiplied by tools, machines, automation and mass production. IF populations are growing, then surplus should be phenomenal. . . we should be prosperous, and living in opulence. But instead we observe poverty and want. That is an artifact of money madness and the scarcity of the money token used for trade. Such a system THROTTLES TRADE. So there are unemployed, underemployed, closed retailers, downsizing factories, etc, etc. All because of money madness.
Imagine what would happen if 90% of all trade was by barter?
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Collectivism (slavery by government) in its various names is genocidal and suicidal. Compulsory charity and confiscation of surplus is tantamount to laboring for the benefit of another (slavery) and theft by government (expropriation of surplus). The downside is that there is no incentive to generate surplus. Why work harder if gubmint will take it from you. Thus we get scarcity - equitably distributed by the collective (omitting the managers).
Voluntary charity is a blessing.
Compulsory charity is a curse.
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It's no surprise that the proponents of socialism (public charity), argue that when workers lose their jobs, exhaust their savings, can't get private charity, they are compelled to commit crimes to survive. Ergo, the state must be their benefactor - by taking from everybody else - via taxes.
However, socialist taxes have a bitter side effect. Penalizing producers and rewarding consumers / recipients shift the value system of a society. Anyone with half a brain seeks to become a protected recipient, and avoid being a burdened donor.

And as the tax levy mounts, women are pushed into the workforce, which is responsible for the steep drop in birthrates in "socialist paradises" [/sarcasm]. Ironically, such socialist paradises have declining standards of living, inflation (debauched money tokens), and intrusive regulations.

Another terrible consequence of taxing labor and industry is tax shifting. Any tax has to be shifted to the last guy in line - the consumer. Where else do laborers and businesses get their money to pay their taxes? And when one cannot shift taxes, one goes bust, broke, or worse.
But those shifted taxes accumulate in the retail price, as inexplicable inflation. Remember, "official" inflation is "too much money chasing too few goods." Go check the total amount of circulating money tokens and see for yourself. We have had a money token drought for generations. Bill Gates, et al, are NOT bidding up the price for milk and cookies. The eCONomists are shills for the Powers That Be.

The point about the Federal government holding 28% of all land was not the "cash value" (money madness again!), but the exclusion of the American people from that land. [... and NO, it's not "all park land" ]

LAND OWNERSHIP, or as Thomas Jefferson euphemistically put it : the pursuit of happiness. This meant your own domain upon which no one is your master - no landlord - no one else's permission needed for you to pursue your happiness.
If you had your own domicile, your private property, absolutely owned, you would have a place to exercise sovereign prerogatives.

Why would any government seek to exclude others from millions of acres? In America, governments are not the masters, but the servants to the people. . . unless we consent otherwise.

THAT is the core problem - 99.9% of Americans are unaware of how and when they consented, and thus surrendered /waived their endowed rights to life, liberty (natural and personal), inherent powers, absolute ownership of private property, and so on.

If the populace "woke up" and withdrew consent, refused to participate in voluntary national socialism (FICA), ceased trading with usurers, diminished the government (and its tax burdens), and became intolerant of predators hiding in the institutions and organizations that serve us, things would be far different.

A nation where 97% are sovereigns, domiciled upon private property, with untaxable endowed rights, and basically enjoying natural and personal liberty ("freedom!"), would be left alone. While the remaining 3% who are running the government instituted to secure rights (i.e. adjudicate disputes, prosecute criminals, and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic) could get into little trouble with so few to govern and tax. No politician would get rich and powerful under THAT kind of handicap.

It would be a national tragedy when the president lost his bus pass. [/sarcasm]

[ozmirage]

Assuming that money madness is sanity - - -

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/neo/resource.html
● NASA has estimated the mineral wealth of the entire Asteroid Belt could be as much as $700 quintillion, or a seven followed by 20 zeroes. That’s $100 billion for every one of the 7 billion people on Earth!
NOW if $100 billion caused the invisible pink unicorn of socialism to fart rainbows of goods and services for you, that $100 billion per capita might be worth something...

[T Smith]

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