What are your preparations for any potential crisis situation?

[Pharaohs Maze]

I dont claim to know what were really headed for over the coming years, I try to avoid forcasting certainties due to the apparent complexity of some of the information given out through the Avalon and Camelot portals. However I think many of us here are at the very least preparing mentaly for some kind of social / spiritual reform.
If anyone is familiar with the Pete Peterson material presented by Bill and Kerry he touches briefly on making preparations for the possible / probable disintergration of society.

I wonder weather there are any organised strategies among this community for such circumstances? Since one person may have expertise with radio and technology while other may have survival skills another may have building skills etc... thus the communities chances of survival is raised by sharing and organising resources.

I think it would be useful to hear peoples thoughts and most importantly what people feel is the most apropriet prepartion for such and outcome... even just for ourselves and families.

Thanks

[Star Gazer]

I try to maintain my physical as well as spiritual health. I practice daily meditation as well physical exercise (mainly running and weight-training). I also try to honor my creativity each day.

[truthseekerdan]

Here is a cool website with great info on how to start and develop a (your) community: http://www.projecttristar.net/

[Transdimensional Bean Pod]

I try to maintain my physical as well as spiritual health. I practice daily meditation as well physical exercise (mainly running and weight-training). I also try to honor my creativity each day.

I hear ya.

Honoring your creativity.... that's a great one.

Several years ago, I spent a bunch of money and fear on rations and gear. Over time, I kept having dreams. In those dreams, my bug-out kit was either unavailable to me, or useless - but I keep finding just what I need, when I need it; I keep managing to survive, despite my flaws. These dreams have given me much peace. I just need to be prepared mentally, and have faith that I'll have the inner resources to rise to the challenge, which I believe I do have. I trust my dreams - especially when they are so clear on a point, over and over again.

In a sense, it's as if it's already written.

[Star Gazer]

I hear ya.

Honoring your creativity.... that's a great one.

Several years ago, I spent a bunch of money and fear on rations and gear. Over time, I kept having dreams. In those dreams, my bug-out kit was either unavailable to me, or useless - but I keep finding just what I need, when I need it; I keep managing to survive, despite my flaws. These dreams have given me much peace. I just need to be prepared mentally, and have faith that I'll have the inner resources to rise to the challenge, which I believe I do have. I trust my dreams - especially when they are so clear on a point, over and over again.

In a sense, it's as if it's already written.

Exactly, I try to focus on what I know I can control (mental/physical/emotional) and trust my creativity to carry me through the Unknown.

[bitworm]

I read similar questions in some of those long threads; what kinds of skills should we try to develop in preparation for such a situation?

I believe it is important for one to practice his/her ability to adapt to dramatic changes in the daily routine. I know some people here do this; shut off the power for a month, don't use the car, etc. I do things like this as well; doesn't have to be so drastic, like making your own bread and/or living out of the pantry for a month (also helps rotate your staple foods).

How many people really know how to put their feet to the ground when they travel? It's easy to get in a climate-controlled box and watch the world go by, but how can you understand what's ahead if you don't understand what's in the rearview mirror?

You can see the world on Google Maps, but is is the same as actually being there? If you were dropped in a strange city where everyone else spoke a different language, could you manage yourself enough to meet your basic needs? Or your extended needs?

It's obvious these skills haven't been developed for many of us because we never needed to. But that doesn't mean we lost them, just means we have to put in some work to get caught up.

[_M_]

"The mental, spiritual and physical ability to just get on with it."

Know who you are, and know what is important. Realise that if something doesn't go your way, adapt. Complain to the world when you have to, but if your life and your loved ones lives are potentially in danger, accept change - get a new plan.

[Hybrid5226]

I try to maintain my physical as well as spiritual health. I practice daily meditation as well physical exercise (mainly running and weight-training). I also try to honor my creativity each day.

Same here . Started walking to work last week just to see if I could an found I enjoy it an gives me a better perspective of what is going on around me in the town I am in .
I have also realized I do not need as much fuel for my body as I previously thought after fasting for a while to see how I reacted physically .

[Otho]

I dont claim to know what were really headed for over the coming years, I try to avoid forcasting certainties due to the apparent complexity of some of the information given out through the Avalon and Camelot portals. However I think many of us here are at the very least preparing mentaly for some kind of social / spiritual reform.
If anyone is familiar with the Pete Peterson material presented by Bill and Kerry he touches briefly on making preparations for the possible / probable disintergration of society.

I wonder weather there are any organised strategies among this community for such circumstances? Since one person may have expertise with radio and technology while other may have survival skills another may have building skills etc... thus the communities chances of survival is raised by sharing and organising resources.

I think it would be useful to hear peoples thoughts and most importantly what people feel is the most apropriet prepartion for such and outcome... even just for ourselves and families.

Thanks

You might want to check out Dimitry Orlov's work (here's a link to a talk http://fora.tv/2009/02/13/Dmitry_Orlov_Social_Collapse_Best_Practices). He has akind of no BS nuts and bolts approach to functioning during political/economic/social collapse based on his experience and observation of what happened in the former Soviet Union. He fully expects America to go through something worse and be generally poorer prepared. He now lives on a sailboat in Maine btw.

It's hard to say what will work best. But I think that networks, adaptability, and sell-able/barter-able skill sets are pretty key. In the end, visible or detectable resources may not be your friend.

[CivilDawn]

In the Avalon interview with Marcel Messing, he suggests that we organize our Selves. Upon hearing that I've taken that line into great consideration since our Selves are multi-faceted. It is that balance between (but not limited to) our knowledge, emotions, Presence, creativity, adaptability, acceptability and our capacity for forgiveness that that will ultimately make or break us if our entire civilization tanks. It pretty much boils down to strong self-responsibility IMO.

Otherwise, warm clothes, stored foods, self defense skills and a good bike (+lock) might be a few solid initial investments.

[ponda]

Same here . Started walking to work last week just to see if I could an found I enjoy it an gives me a better perspective of what is going on around me in the town I am in .
I have also realized I do not need as much fuel for my body as I previously thought after fasting for a while to see how I reacted physically .


Yeah sweating from walking and other types of exercise and also fasting are good ways of getting rid of toxins out of our systems

Drinking plenty of water is also helpful

[peaceviddie]

Something as simple as the power going out for an extended period of time would be devastating to anyone who is not prepared. What I've found is that it is not that expensive to be prepared for disruptions in food/product supplies if you are willing to change your lifestyle a bit.

Here's an example; I purchased a years worth of whole wheat for my family ($240) and a grainmill so that I could make flour. Best case scenario, my family eats freshly made bread from fresh flour.

If one purchases a years worth of soybeans and sprouting seeds. Best case scenario, his/her family will get to eat fresh sprouts.

If one buys a gravity fed water filter. Best case scenario, they get to drink cleaner water at home.

My list is not comprehensive but it gives you an idea of some of the precautions I have taken which have become healthy lifestyle choices and actually more economical choices (bulk grain purchased from LDS churches or farmers is half the price of no name flour at Walmart).

In terms of starting community groups and learning to cope with less technology; I'm completely on board. I just think that everyone should be prepared for the worst.

[Anchor]

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=70497&postcount=1


It is good to prepare, and have some of the outside stuff taken care of. Looking after the basics, being ready for Urban inconveniences, or a full on TEOTWAWKI situation.

Here is my little list of things you can do to prepare your body for the influx of energies bathing our planet, increasing towards 2012, and generally make it easier to get along in life.

* Turn off the TV
* Eat healthy food
* Drink pure water
* Stop doing drugs (legal (taxable) or illegal (not taxable)) [1]
* Get sufficient sleep
* Exercise moderately
* Take a freezing cold shower every day to wake up (before sunrise)
* Learn to meditate if you didnt already
* Meditate each day
* Fan the flames of love in your heart
* If you buy into the whole co-creator idea then manifest a new paradigm
* Listen to your heart
* Follow your heart
* Cultivate the inner dialogue
* Rely less on external sources of guidance
* Ask for help/guidance as needed


...

A..

[1] Medical drugs are not included in the meaning of this item. I don't give medical advice. You are TOTALLY responsible for anything you put inside your body, and you should be making informed free-will decisions when and if you should ever need to follow another's advice about whether or not to use medication.


Also

I made a list of preparations for consideration to do with "Urban Inconveniences"
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4360-Basic-preparations-for-%C2%93Urban-Inconveniences%C2%94-%28V1.04%29

[bluestflame]

and perhaps could include a little "journal of reminders" filled with little reminders to help calm the nerves in times of stress

things you'd tell someone else to help them gain , or maintain ability to function

[Rainbow44]

We have begun a list of important items that will be for survival needs but I must say that in these times we also need to keep our 4 corner stones together; spiritual, emotional, physical and mental. They have to be carried around with just as much importance as food, shelter and water.
Some items on our list:
short wave radio
bottled water
dried fruits/nuts/beef jerky/beans/rice.....and remember to stock up on toilet paper!
first aid kit
long lasting flashlights.........just to name a few.

Remember to follow your gut on anything because our gut feelings are a direct link to the Universe which means if you feel the need to to get out of dodge for a few days than do it and don't second guess yourself. Meditation helps and staying calm for the coming year and beyond. Remember we are all going through this together so no one is alone!!

Blessings,

Rainbow

[Transdimensional Bean Pod]

I find this blog very helpful. It's written by an American who has been living in Argentina for many years, and was present as the economy collapsed. Very practical stuff from a guy who has and still is living everything he documents.

One of the take homes for me, was the dispelling of the 'grab your bug out kit and run' notion. It's all about surviving in place, mainly. But the topics are very comprehensive, and the style down to earth.

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

Hope this helps.

[SKAWF]

well up till a few weeks ago, it was to sell as many pictures as i could, buy myself a dutch barge, convert it so i could grow food in it, buy a seed bank, and 6 months worth of food to eat while it grows. also to look into free energy (like the motor george green mentioned) or turbines that can be dropped into the water so that i could anchor myself on a river, and let its current drive the turbine, that with solar, and wind power should sustain things, then if society breaks down, i can have it on my toes a bit sharpish, and get myself to a safe place.
that said things have changed a bit recently.

[Arrowwind]

I have been preparing most of my life for changes that I feel are coming
mostly on a spiritual level.. then a mental level.

Only until a few years ago did I realize how foolish it is only to prepare on a spiritual/mental level.
I decided that I don't really know how to live very long without food and water
I am making no rationalizatins any longer about how severe it will be.
You are given a spirit and a mind to understand what is required physically to take action.
This is living in balanced male / female energy.


If you ignore physical reality then you may be moving on into spirit only.. which can be OK
just be aware of the decision you are making now. Do not expect to learn how to live like an Indian in just a few weeks.

Some people will get to stay on the planet and some people will not
I intend to say until the natural couse of my life ends. that is the end of a well nourished life
that does not suffer from starvation nor exposure.

I plan to be one who is helping my neighbors
not one who is knocking on doors for help
Perhaps you are willing to subject yourself to this level
of dejection but it is not part of my sacred dream
Nor is digging in the wilderness for roots along
with 300 million other people.

Now if I get to ascend and become a light body that is all well and good
but since I have not done it yet I am not counting on it.

I think having children is a real wake up call.
Before children I could not kill
After children I knew I could kill to protect them
It has made me fierce and strong.
and willing to do what I must for my survival
because my survival underlies their survival

I will not allow someone who has spent their lives contemplating their navel
or the television set to undermind our survival
It they can be participants in creating their survial along side of me,
that will be another matter.

I have chosen a community where those who know how to survive
are more prelevant. There will be support for one another.

My deep intution is telling me that time is getting short.
If you are going to make physical preprations I suggest you do it soon
It takes more time and energy than you realize to get it together.

My husband says so what happens if we are forced from our place for some reason.
Then I say we have here what someone else will use someday for their sustenance.

Most of my stores have a 30 year life time. It will be used someday by someone who
very likely will be needing it.

so in this sense, perhaps this is what the culling that the 33 is thinking about?

I recommend this forum for all the how to's on preparing for survival
www.selfsufficient.com (http://www.selfsufficient.com) they are lovely people there, largely christian, but not all, who know how to do it.

[10over7]

As well as physical fitness and spiritual preparation, I would recommend learning as many skills as you can. How to make useful stuff out of wood and other materials, how to farm, what’s edible and how to find it.
Self sufficiency and having a bugout bag are all well and good, but the more you can hold in your head, the less it matters if you lose your kit, or if it’s taken from you.

Also, this will help your non attachment to your prepared kit: You never know, one day, dumping your hard collected stuff and running as fast and as far as you can may save your life!
Many people go back to get 'that essential thing' from burning buildings and don’t come out again.

If you are so inclined, it may be worth learning a healing discipline - there are powerful energetic and physical healing techniques out there. But remember - not all techniques available to learn are necessarily what they appear. It’s got to feel right, and you should be able to verify the results after a short to mid amount of time.

[Arrowwind]

My medical stock is extensive. I can treat many conditions with the stores I have. It includes 600 homoepathic remedies, a colloidal silver maker, manuka honey, Enough mms to treat over 1000 people, an herbal garden, bandages, suture kits, medical grade ozone generator, massage table and massage skill, experience delivering babies, assorted enzyme and herbal preparations as well as instructive manuals.

The one condition that I have not yet found effective cures for is fungal infections... except for lufeneron, which is too expensive to stock so if anyone has any ideas... Mostly I have found MMS not effective for imbedded fungal conditions.

[Harmoniques]

Getting back to the basics and discovering new things has helped me prepare for a pending crisis. Along with food storage I have taken up gardening, dehydration, bread making and pressure canning. Can we ever fully prepare? Perhaps not, but by doing a little at a time you soon have something to be thankful for it if ever needed. My wife and family gave me grief at the onset of my preparations but as the plot has begun to thicken they too are begining to understand my quest for survival.

[joelmags]

live on a farm.

been physically preparing for 30+ years.

spiritually preparing for 11 years.

with the help of avalon forum, been learning to let go. to release. to forgive. to center. to care for our fellowmen.

how to share this with my family? i do, in a more balanced sort of way. they are awake and aware.

and a lot of the people who visit us leave a little healthier.

very few, a little more awake.

even fewer, a little more aware.

all we can ever do is try (;-))

[baggywrinkle]

The three biggest changes we've made in the last three years

We maintain a years supply of propane and a three year supply of kerosene

We put up four years worth of long term storable food and one year of staples like coffee & cooking oil

Jim Phillips foam clothing allows us to go without heat if necessary down to about zero degrees.


We had a power outage recently. The only reason we even noticed was the radio went out. The kerosene lamps don't
care. The propane heater doesn't care. Deb brewed a cuppa for us on the propane stove and we listened to a podcast
on the computers battery power while kidding about how we were suffering without electricity. It's taken seven years of trial and error to get where we are now.

But you are never done. There was mild concern for the chickens with no power on the predator fence. Fortunately
most of the local critters are trained not to try it. We could use a really good medical kit and it is time to
buy a 100 pounds of coffee again.

We've made a strategic decision to radically change course and get all gasoline off the property changing our vehicles and generator over to diesel. Then by increasing our storage capacity four fold we would have a
years supply of fossil fuel <at normal useage rate> which can be stabilized with PRI-D to last ten years or more.
It's a long term goal due to the cost of diesel vehicles. Battery operated dc pumps would give us our very own fuel
station to help us smooth out the smaller bumps (1-3months or less) A hundred gallon transfer tank in the back of
the pic would ensure anonymity by purchasing in cash from random service stations. We take separation from the world
seriously. Such a move increases the degrees of separation radically

Miles Stair (end times report) estimates you only really need to be in stealth mode for a year. By that time the
unprepared golden horde would be gone.

[TWINNICK]

My medical stock is extensive. I can treat many conditions with the stores I have. It includes 600 homoepathic remedies, a colloidal silver maker, manuka honey, Enough mms to treat over 1000 people, an herbal garden, bandages, suture kits, medical grade ozone generator, massage table and massage skill, experience delivering babies, assorted enzyme and herbal preparations as well as instructive manuals.

The one condition that I have not yet found effective cures for is fungal infections... except for lufeneron, which is too expensive to stock so if anyone has any ideas... Mostly I have found MMS not effective for imbedded fungal conditions.

Tea tree oil is a good anti fungal i believe, also try the colloidal silver( wash with it ) and drink it. Good old salt water works well for this as well.

..Nick..

[TWINNICK]

I must say that I get the feeling a lot of people still think that they can stay at home in the cities or close to the cities and stock up on food and items to see them through.

Just think about what happens when starving desperate people or criminals focus on you because they want something you have.

OK- just say there is a major disaster like an earth quake ( mag 7-9) or even a pole shift,many people are killed or are dieing and seriously injured, now I can hear some people going oh thats a bit extreme, we are all prepared with our spirituality and mental and physical preparations, we know what to do.

Picture this in your mind: an earthquake happens( or something really big), the prisons all have inmates escape because the walls and fences were damaged.

The zoo's have dangerous animals escape because of damaged enclosures, hungry frightened lions and whatnot running amuck looking to get away from the carnage and also looking for a feed.

No electricity means:
no atm's no money.
no water.
no petrol(gas) or diesel.
no heat.
no airconditioning.
no vehicles ( roads are blocked, flooded,damaged,bridges down,fire everywhere).
no medical help (no ambulances)
Prisoners escaping means lots of very pissed off villans and killers running in every direction with no care for you or your family and are looking for the nearest weapons they can find,because they hold a big grudge on society.(rape,murder,hostage,kidnap).
Animals frightened by the event trying to get to a safe place but are confused and hungry, imagine being confronted by a tiger or lion or buffalo or rhino or hippo or baboon or band of chimps.
Smoke and dust, chemicals, toxic air,toxic water laying around,buildings collapsing,service stations exploding.

This is just a sample of what you will have to deal with in a city or even a relatively small urbane city.

It doesn't take long for desperate people to go to extremes to meet there needs whether you think its right or not.

Not everybody is aware of whats coming, and that could mean war(false flag or not ) earthquake,weather extremes,tidal waves, or any combination of all of them.

This is only my opinion but I think getting away from the populated areas is safer for you and your family,If your the only one with a car or transport that works I bet you will have trouble keeping it that way.( think of Tom Cruise in war of the worlds).

I know it sound all doom and gloom and over the top,but I can see these events happening in our time, the tectonic plates are showing signs of moving, the weather all over the planet has gone haywire, there's earthquakes everywhere,there's floods everywhere,volcano's waking up all over the world, not to mention the dwarf star thats going to pass by and disturb our magnetic field and give us who nows how much grief.

Just think about it and use your common sense(which doesn't seem to be that common anymore unfortunately) we will have a lot to deal with.

How do you think most of the unaware population is going to really react if the ptw do the project bluebeam thingy with a 2 mile wide craft appearing above there heads with lots of little zippy ufo's darting all over the place looking threatening.

I think most of them will absolutely SH#T themselves and go into a panic, just like a fox in the hen house.

Just my 2c worth.

..Nick..

[baggywrinkle]

I must say that I get the feeling a lot of people still think that they can stay at home in the cities or close to the cities and stock up on food and items to see them through.

Just think about what happens when starving desperate people or criminals focus on you because they want something you have.

..Nick..

Ahh, now there is the rub!

Part of this is addressed by maintaining a very low profile playing possum. This is part of the rational for the kerosene which creates no emission like a wood fire does. We are well hidden.
Dropping trees on the only road in would discourage casual investigation.

The next part is addressed by maintaining more than we actually need with the intention of using it for Christian charity to those who stumble on us. The key word for the rest is caching

The last part is easy. We resolved long ago that we are not budging from our home base. If we go down, we go down right here. We are practicing Mennonites and nonresistant. So we
would just go home. That would be bad how?

[ThePythonicCow]

The one condition that I have not yet found effective cures for is fungal infections... except for lufeneron, which is too expensive to stock so if anyone has any ideas...I have a concoction I prepared which successfully cured toenail fungus that had been well established below most of my toenails.

I bought a dozen "1 OZ FLINT GLASS WIDE MOUTH BOTTLE W/ BRUSH CAPS, 33/400" from SKS Industries (http://www.sks-bottle.com/) to hold a batch of the preparation, and for a convenient way to apply it.

The concoction consists of mixing together one ounce each of:

Diclofenac (more convenient replacement for Ibuprofin)
ProClearz Tolnafate (1 oz liquid bottle)
Tea Tree Oil
DMSO (from veterinary supply store)
Coconut Oil
Aloe Vera
Lamisil Terbinafine

I have also used this preparation on other minor fungus infections, but would hesitate to apply it to more sensitive skin.

[Anchor]

I have a concoction I prepared which successfully cured toenail fungus that had been well established below most of my toenails.

I bought a dozen "1 OZ FLINT GLASS WIDE MOUTH BOTTLE W/ BRUSH CAPS, 33/400" from SKS Industries (http://www.sks-bottle.com/) to hold a batch of the preparation, and for a convenient way to apply it
....
I have also used this preparation on other minor fungus infections, but would hesitate to apply it to more sensitive skin.

Mate, medical advice is a really thorny problem - we dont want to get the forum into trouble.

For eg: How much do you really know about Sodium Diclofenac? Do you know about its side effects? Are you insured in case anyone follows your advice and ends up with problems? Is the forum? Are you aware that Diclofenac and Ibuprofen have different reasons not to use them - and are not really a complete replacement for each other?

I'm not picking on you - I know you mean well, but I've heard of forums being taken down for less. This post really applies to everyone and I hope the moderators agree with me. I cant remember if it was in the guidelines or not - as I had a hand in writing them I should remember but whatever.

[ThePythonicCow]

Mate, medical advice is a really thorny problem - we dont want to get the forum into trouble.
You raise some good questions ...

The FAQ - Membership Guidelines (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/faq.php?faq=avalonguidelines#faq_membershipguidelines) states:

Posts that promote or showcase illegal drugs and other substances, pornography including nude art, foul language, racial / sexual / national intolerance, hate speech, politically subversive acts or planning, will not be tolerated.

I don't see any other more specific relevant guideline, and this guideline doesn't specifically apply either.

That doesn't however exonerate my post.

I will click on the http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/buttons/report-40b.png Report icon on my post above and ask the Admins if they wish to take action.

Thanks for watching out for us.

[joelmags]

fungus? just try making a paste out of baking soda. alkalinity will kill any fungus. if it recurs, try again. there's a lot to be said for using household and farm stuff (herbs, roots, bark and leaves) to help accelerate healing. this is area specific though and goes with acquired learning through experience.

in other words, in an emergency, there might be no time for reference materials.

[ThePythonicCow]

One more thought on my anti-fungal concoction post, John.

At no point in that post did I recommend some remedy to others. I only stated what I did and what I observed. In short, it was not "advice".

As I think about this a bit more, I think that we should not fear speaking out about what we have done and we have observed. We should defend our right to present first person testimony by vigorous and repeated exercise of that right.

[Anchor]

At no point in that post did I recommend some remedy to others. I only stated what I did and what I observed. In short, it was not "advice".
...
I think that we should not fear speaking out about what we have done and we have observed. We should defend our right to present first person testimony by vigorous and repeated exercise of that right.

You are correct - you have a point. I have done similar with my own personal (successful) use of MMS. It is illegal in the US now, thanks to the wankers at the FDA, but it still gets discussed on the forum. I don't think I have ever recommended it to anyone or told them to take it (not that I do that for anything) - I just said it works for me, and what you do is your problem.

The reason your post jumped out is your discussion of pharmaceuticals in off-label usage scenarios based on DIY mixtures.

Diclofenac Sodium does have side effects that are not all the same as Ibuprofen - that is a medical fact. Doctors prescribe use the two drugs in different circumstances - that is what focussed my attention on your post. Fear is not a motivator for me - don't have much of that these days - but having this forum given one up the bum by the FDA would be inconvenient. So if nothing else, a clear disclaimer would be good. I could be wrong, you could be an MD with fully paid up indemnity insurance ;) I am not a moderator so I will make this my last comment on the matter and leave it up to them.

Thanks for your willingness to share and help people ! and for not getting really sh*tty with me for being picky :)

[Icecold]

Re-locating is essential for me. Somewhere where there is fresh running water.

My local housing supplier -

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http://www.teachers.ash.org.au/bushtucker/


http://www.bushfood.net/forum/index.php

http://www.clivusmultrum.com.au/

http://www.jyetara.com/home.html

http://usedguns.com.au/

[ThePythonicCow]

Diclofenac Sodium does have side effects that are not all the same as Ibuprofen
Does your statement pertain to oral consumption, not the topical use in my concoction?


Thanks for your willingness to share and help people ! and for not getting really sh*tty with me for being picky
No problem. Thanks for staying alert.


I am not a moderator so I will make this my last comment on the matter and leave it up to them.
I reported myself a few hours ago, by clicking on the http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/buttons/report-40b.png icon. I invited intervention if the moderators so chose.

They have not intervened. I suspect they are busy enough that my report was not where they chose to spend much time.

[TWINNICK]

Ahh, now there is the rub!

Part of this is addressed by maintaining a very low profile playing possum. This is part of the rational for the kerosene which creates no emission like a wood fire does. We are well hidden.
Dropping trees on the only road in would discourage casual investigation.

The next part is addressed by maintaining more than we actually need with the intention of using it for Christian charity to those who stumble on us. The key word for the rest is caching

The last part is easy. We resolved long ago that we are not budging from our home base. If we go down, we go down right here. We are practicing Mennonites and nonresistant. So we
would just go home. That would be bad how?


Hi Baggy, Don't take that personally directed at you, you sound very well set up.

I was more speaking in general, people I've over heard around were I live and some I've spoken to.

I believe I am about as prepared as I'll ever be for when SHTF but I still watch and learn as much as I can just in case I miss something, Avalons good for that, lots of wisdom and experienced people.

I'd been on for quite a while reading all sorts of stuff by the time I wrote that and now going back over it LOL, I think I should have gone to bed and tried to get some sleep, I was very tired, haven't been sleeping to well for months now.( feel it coming like a lot of people here).

I am there with you mate, if I die trying to survive this life I know that I don't really cease to exist, I'll actually be free again.( no not a bad thing at all).

Meek as a dove and cunning as a fox is a good thing me thinks, I'll be mobile and if the truck stops working I'll leg it, out of the way somewhere quiet( HA, if at all possible).

Peace......Nick..

[Sol Va]

Great Thread ! and Hello to Everyone!
After putting away food supplies plus hidden clothing (behind cement walls)
for a year or two, I was ready to buy self defense items and realised I could not
make myself ever use them.

So my dilemma was to bail out of the well stocked homestead
and go to a place there ARE no guns, where everyone eats no matter what.
This was my "bug-out" solution.

http://www.cocomovillage.com/

Anyone interested, PM me. Love to All

( I make no $ out of dispersing this info or if anyone joins us)

[Gypsy Woman]

Great Thread ! and Hello to Everyone!
After putting away food supplies plus hidden clothing (behind cement walls)
for a year or two, I was ready to buy self defense items and realised I could not
make myself ever use them.

So my dilemma was to bail out of the well stocked homestead
and go to a place there ARE no guns, where everyone eats no matter what.
This was my "bug-out" solution.

http://www.cocomovillage.com/

Anyone interested, PM me. Love to All

( I make no $ out of dispersing this info or if anyone joins us)

Good for you. I've been thinking about Tonga for 2 years, and researching for maybe 7... Tongo seems like the only place left on earth where one could still live somewhere that TPTB seem to have just about zero interest in invading or usurping...

[777]

Great Thread ! and Hello to Everyone!
After putting away food supplies plus hidden clothing (behind cement walls)
for a year or two, I was ready to buy self defense items and realised I could not
make myself ever use them.

So my dilemma was to bail out of the well stocked homestead
and go to a place there ARE no guns, where everyone eats no matter what.
This was my "bug-out" solution.

http://www.cocomovillage.com/

Anyone interested, PM me. Love to All

( I make no $ out of dispersing this info or if anyone joins us)

Good for you. I've been thinking about Tonga for 2 years, and researching for maybe 7... Tongo seems like the only place left on earth where one could still live somewhere that TPTB seem to have just about zero interest in invading or usurping...

My uncle used to make shoes for the King of Tonga and I have family there I've never even met! I didn't realise it was such a haven?!?!

*plan starts to form*

[Lancelot]

Self sufficiency is key to my plan.
Im growing food, getting some ducks and have made enough biofuel to get out of the city and to wherever I need in my live-in van.
Hopefully, a crisis situation will never happen but having a back up plan is a good idea.

[Shairia]

My preparations include: common sense, keeping calm and being flexible and adaptable to all situations as we have no idea what we will face.

[edina]

I dont claim to know what were really headed for over the coming years, I try to avoid forcasting certainties due to the apparent complexity of some of the information given out through the Avalon and Camelot portals. However I think many of us here are at the very least preparing mentaly for some kind of social / spiritual reform.
If anyone is familiar with the Pete Peterson material presented by Bill and Kerry he touches briefly on making preparations for the possible / probable disintergration of society.

I wonder weather there are any organised strategies among this community for such circumstances? Since one person may have expertise with radio and technology while other may have survival skills another may have building skills etc... thus the communities chances of survival is raised by sharing and organising resources.

I think it would be useful to hear peoples thoughts and most importantly what people feel is the most apropriet prepartion for such and outcome... even just for ourselves and families.

Thanks

You might want to check out Dimitry Orlov's work (here's a link to a talk http://fora.tv/2009/02/13/Dmitry_Orlov_Social_Collapse_Best_Practices). He has akind of no BS nuts and bolts approach to functioning during political/economic/social collapse based on his experience and observation of what happened in the former Soviet Union. He fully expects America to go through something worse and be generally poorer prepared. He now lives on a sailboat in Maine btw.

It's hard to say what will work best. But I think that networks, adaptability, and sell-able/barter-able skill sets are pretty key. In the end, visible or detectable resources may not be your friend.

Thanks Otho, This is one I haven't heard of yet, I'm going to take a closer look at the link, thanks.

In Russia, the dachnas saved the people, these are the small garden plots that many Russians keep.

We live off the beaten path, and have stores for us and extra for members in our local community.
I'm trying to set up a garden process this year where the garden can feed almost all our food needs, for us, our animals, and again, extra to share
We have about three different ways to do anything and can live without power.
I've stocked a decent library, to rebuild from, should the worse happen.

I approach all of this from a sense of compassion.
I found that a person cannot generate enough energy to make real changes in thier lives
from a state of fear, anxiety, anger, and so on.

Also, the biggy for me, now, is to focus on implementing these lifestyle changes
as if I am living an art, to create a space of shared beauty, love, and joy.
I feel this life is better lived joyfully, rather than in drudgery.

This is a process for me, because the learning curve of the skills takes time,
and lots of mistakes while I'm living the experience.

I think in about 4 to 5 years, all the pcs will be in place and everything will POP
and I'll be living in one of those paradise gardens that the Bio-dynamic, and
Permaculture people talk about.

I live well inland, and close to 7000' high.

[Arrowwind]

I have a concoction I prepared which successfully cured toenail fungus that had been well established below most of my toenails.

I bought a dozen "1 OZ FLINT GLASS WIDE MOUTH BOTTLE W/ BRUSH CAPS, 33/400" from SKS Industries (http://www.sks-bottle.com/) to hold a batch of the preparation, and for a convenient way to apply it
....
I have also used this preparation on other minor fungus infections, but would hesitate to apply it to more sensitive skin.

Mate, medical advice is a really thorny problem - we dont want to get the forum into trouble.

For eg: How much do you really know about Sodium Diclofenac? Do you know about its side effects? Are you insured in case anyone follows your advice and ends up with problems? Is the forum? Are you aware that Diclofenac and Ibuprofen have different reasons not to use them - and are not really a complete replacement for each other?

I'm not picking on you - I know you mean well, but I've heard of forums being taken down for less. This post really applies to everyone and I hope the moderators agree with me. I cant remember if it was in the guidelines or not - as I had a hand in writing them I should remember but whatever.

My understanding is that to put out such a formula is not illegal. It is not a recommendation to a person, it is telling what he did. It is illegal to sell a product and then give out a forumula or make claims to cure along with that product... at least that is how it is in the USA. Many US forms provide this kind of information on formulas for different conditons and there isn't a dang thing they can do about it. I have not heard of problems as such in other countries either

[Arrowwind]

[I approach all of this from a sense of compassion.
I found that a person cannot generate enough energy to make real changes in thier lives
from a state of fear, anxiety, anger, and so on.

Also, the biggy for me, now, is to focus on implementing these lifestyle changes
as if I am living an art, to create a space of shared beauty, love, and joy.
I feel this life is better lived joyfully, rather than in drudgery.

This is a process for me, because the learning curve of the skills takes time,
and lots of mistakes while I'm living the experience.

I think in about 4 to 5 years, all the pcs will be in place and everything will POP
and I'll be living in one of those paradise gardens that the Bio-dynamic, and
Permaculture people talk about.

I live well inland, and close to 7000' high.

Excellent! this is a great attitude and where I am heading... Its taking some time to shake off the city vibes and accumulated stress from an intense job but Im about done with that.

I hope to get more active in calling in the Divas and earth spirits this coming spring when we get back. Setting of my medicine wheel with initiate my work.

Some say you need to prepare spiritually and not worry about the material. I cannot not worry about the material.. it is my maternal instincts that command me to provide for those around me... even if we are run off our property, even if the worst happens I will know that what I have done will be providing for someone in need some where at some time.

Regarding water... due to the increased risk of solar flairs coming this year and potential grid problems we placed a hand pump along side the electric pump in the well.. All our neighbors were talking about solar flairs and if the grid goes down. Some could not place a hand pump due to the nature of the type of pump they already had. It was a good feeling to let them know that our well as well as two others in the vacinity would be up and running... all they had to do was pull their wagon over with their buckets.

Ortho - since you are at 7,000 feet I will be interested to hear about what you manage to grow and some of the cures to the problems you face. We are at 6,500 and it is a challenge.

[The Mad spirtualist]

http://www.survivalblog.com/ I have had a 100 pound backpack ready to go for the last ten years. everything I need to survive in the woods or anywhere. Some things to keep in mind is to have GOOD water filtration! Water is life! Get an osmosis/carbon system at the very least. All make sure your vehicle is full of gas and tuned up! Store up food and water for six month supply.

My backpack contains
tent
0 degree sleeping bag
3 means of lighting fire: lighters, waterproof matches, flint stone.
good kettle for cooking & boiling water.
food utensils
good knife with something to sharpen it.
binoculars
hand crank radio with all radio waves
hand crank flashlight, solar powered flashlight
rope, twine, string and dental floss
warm/cold weather clothes
mirror
rain gear
water filter
freeze dried food
fishing rod
saw
axe
and more I can not think of

[Arrowwind]

That was my mode of operation when I lived on the west coast... but not where I am now... but I must say, 100 backpacks is industrious. Who are these all for?

[jjl]

The preparations for myself are for my mother, husband 2 friends and my immediate neighbors. I say nothing to anyone.

[The Mad spirtualist]

100 pound pack sorry.:o

[Arrowwind]

:pound: here i was thinking you were some kind of major urban survivalist organizing your community, with secret meetings in abandonded warehouses, preparing for mass escape. likely creating cells in nearby communities

[Peta Babkama Luruba Anaku]

Fantastic thread. Thank you for posting it. My list is always evolving and even more so now after reading all of your suggestions and advice. I wrote out a list of nutritional food a few months ago that I would like to purchase ASAP. It is your standard, tuna, beans, rice and so on. My biggest problem at the moment is where do I store it? I can store it here in my apt. My biggest concern there is what if the city (I live in a small city 150,00 pop) erupts into violence or looting and so on. It would be hard to transport that much food and survival gear without detection. Do any of you perhaps have any suggestions as to where I can store about a years supply of food, water, blankets and so on. Rent storage space? Bury it, sink it in shallow water? Im interested to know. Thank you all.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Yup, stay fit. stay focussed and my personal piece of advice= buy some weapons, i mean honestly, you should own an assault rifle as you won't be able to compete without one. That is, if shtf totally, you'll wish you had one :)

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Fantastic thread. Thank you for posting it. My list is always evolving and even more so now after reading all of your suggestions and advice. I wrote out a list of nutritional food I would like to purchase ASAP. It is your standard, tuna, beans, rice and so on. My biggest problem at the moment is where do I store it? I can store it here in my apt. My biggest concern there is what if the city (I live in a small city 150,00 pop) erupts into violence or looting and so on. It would be hard to transport that much food and survival gear. Do any of you perhaps have any suggestions as to where I can store about a years supply of food, water, blankets and so on. Rent storage space? Bury it, sink it in shallow water? Im interested to know. Thank you all.

In your situation it could be best to hole up for a bit. Travel would be VERY risky, even for a trained soldier= easy to get shot in the back and robbed. Keep the food in a chest wherever you live, when the power goes out it will happen suddenly(CME) and it will hit the fan quick when the city is pitch black save for the fires at transformers, no water will come out of the tap (electric pumps). You'll need the food with you to eat it, same w water of course. Have some ammo would be prudent, but until then DONT LIVE IN FEAR, life is a beautiful trip

[The Mad spirtualist]

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best! No matter how much you prepare, you can't prepare for everything. That is why mental preparation is most important. Using intuition to help you get through crisis cause your brain might not work as good!

[bilko]

I have a bedroom full of tents, knives, axes, and general bushcraft gear not in case of emergency but because i have nowhere else to store it.
I have been learning to live with the idea that death is the final stage of life and one that i welcome when the time comes.

If i am conscious i hope i can make the emotion a positive one and experience the passing as a joyous next step in my existence.
I do not want to live a 'mad max' life or cling to my body and survival for the sake of it. I try not to feather my nest here....

I trust in the universe and my creator.
I hope i make a difference to somebody and make their time here more joyous.
I learn to love and learn to be.

I have enough supplies to last a month or so but the skill sets to last longer if i desire, probably knowing me lol just to help the passing of some lonely soul frightened and lost.
I often wonder if the aboriginal people or other tribes will even notice when we are at deaths door.

Of course i fear pain, but i am working on it.
Of course i impulse buy just in case but i learning not too.
I fear for others more than myself and that is my best defense and trait i suspect.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

It would be wise for city dwellers to have made arrangements with a farmer who can provide land and water during an emergency.


Put most of your stored food and survival equipment at your bugout location. Your food storage should be sufficiently large to keep you going until your garden is harvested.
If you are not the first to leave the city, you may not get out. Remember hurricane Katrina? If the emergency turns out to be a false alarm you can always turn around and go back.
A quality water filter is crucial. Search online for Berkey (http://www.berkeyfilters.com/) or Katadyn (http://www.katadyn.com/usen/katadyn-products/products/katadynshopconnect/katadyn-water-filters/) water filters.
Keep a full tank of gas while in the city.


Travel Trailers/camper/caravan:

A used travel trailer can provide shelter. I used one for more than 4 years. Based on acquisition cost and what I sold it for, cost was $100 per month.
Water can be transported if hookup to a pressurized source is not available.
Propane can be used as an energy source. A tiny wood stove would be great if it will fit inside.
Electricity can be provided by a small solar system with a generator backup. If an inverter powered by deep cycle batteries is available, the generator would not need to run continuously when electrical power is needed.
A composting toilet (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=216) would be needed unless you had a sewer connection and access to water used to flush.


It would not be wise to wait before looking for a bugout location. Plan ahead or plan to fail. Have more than one plan.

One of the best information resources I've found is the Survival Blog (http://www.survivalblog.com/).

[sygh]

(Deleted) I don't want to pass this along. Sorry.

[Fred Steeves]

Every time I go shopping I buy a case of canned food of different types. It's now starting to overflow in the wood shed I built in the back yard for other things, so I'm just finishing a wall size set of shelves inside to store it, and it can be locked up.

Don't have a pump, but wish we did. For second best I save milk jugs and have a gallon of bleach set aside for sterilization. Hopefully if the worst happens, there will be time to fill them up.....

Basic things like a good hunting knife, survival guide, visquine( for windows or trapping dew) batteries, radio, sterno, lighters, etc.

Of course firearms and ammo, but I hope to god they never have to be used. Also got a good pellet gun for small game.

Hopefully none of these things are never needed and this conversation is merely academic, but of course it always comes down to hope for the best and prepare for the worst. BTW, I don't see ANYBODY else even thinking about thinking about preparation for ANYTHING. It'll be very heartbreaking if the worst happens, and I would share rations with people we know well until everything is gone. After that? Not even gonna worry about it, just trust.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[BowMan]

Here in New Zealand in the aftermath of the earthquake there is a LOT of discussion about what to do and how to survive off the grid etc.

Pyhsical, mental and spiritual 'fitness' has not helped anyone. The earthquake was not discerning in those respects. Fit and unfit, spiritual and non spiritual people were overtaken by the disaster. It randomly killed. So be prepared to not be prepared in that respect. People you may not expect to be taken out might be. You may find yourself suffering from 'survivor guilt'...you just don't know why you survived and others didn't.

People have been rallying around though and taking strangers into their houses, sharing resources etc. The strategy that has worked has been one of 'neighbourliness' or 'mateship' as we call it here.

Here are some practical things that are working for people right now, today...remember power is intermitant and 80 percent of homes are without water.

Barbecues...without electricity or gas they are the main cooking method as well as for boiling water...keep a full gas bottle (and a spare).

Coffee filters if you have electricity but the water supply is likely contaminated filter water through a coffee perculator.

Water containers...these are really valuable assets to have and are highly prized. Collect rain water from roof by cutting into the down pipe on guttering and collect. Boil water before drinking on bbq.

Shovel....have a good shovel because a hole in the ground is going to be your latrine. Keep it as far away from dweilling as possible especially any water source and dig it deep (it fills up quick).

Shelter...nothing like a good tarpaulin to cover up holes and gaps in roofs, provide shade etc....

A radio...it's been the method of communication as all other media down.

A good sing a long and a sense of humour!

Some tips hope they help.

[Arrowwind]

Clorox is sufficient for purifying water but it does not store well. After one year don't count on it. Pool Shock calcium hypochlorite will store well. Please see this page for instructions on how to use calcium hypochlorite to purify water: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15153-How-To-Purify-Water-with-Calcium-Hypochlorite&p=157096#post157096 Its the same as MMS2 go to www.jimhumble.biz (http://www.jimhumble.biz) and read up on mms2. Its cheap.

everyone should have or know how to build a rocket stove for outdoor cooking. They are very efficient on fuel use. You will want this after the propane runs out. If you don't want to do it now at least get a 45 degree bended pipe for a common wood stove pipe,, thats the main ingredient,, you can wing the rest.. find further info on a google search

Also solar ovens can cook things if the climate is right. Do a search. You can make your own.

Always make sure you have good boots for walking with the right socks. No less than 4 pairs of socks. You may need two pairs in one day, and on bad days a pair may take almost 2 days to dry..

Have a way to move water around. Those yellow wagons from Home depot are great. Dont use milk jugs if you can get something more durable... but have a variety of sizes from 5 gal to 1 pint. as you don't know what you will need.

Remember, your MMS1 stash can purify water also, along with lugols iodine.

Be sure to have a stash of medicine that you may be taking...

Be sure to have good skin lotion. Damaged skin could cost you your life. Its a tough world out there.
My husband thought I was psycho when I stocked 6 jars of shea butter...
but since he decided to work in zero weather conditions this winter now he understands.
work gloves also... several pairs... in different sizes, then its easier to ask for help if you can offer gloves.
Good health of your hands and feet are critical to survival.

[mcaballero]

Thanks for this thread! I found it most interesting, and here goes my list:

I live on my own in the 14th largest urban area of the world (Buenos Aires), so the only thing I keep is my wits for hopefully knowing when to get out of here :-). Just in case, I'm planning to get a bike in a couple of weeks. I used to think otherwise as a bike is quite dangerous here, not only because of the thefts but because of the traffic full of really nervous drivers.

Where my family lives we have a 3 month supply of canned food, and 4000 litres of water in an underground deposit that is constantly replenished. I'm planning to increase the food supply to 6 months. What's stored is: canned stuff (tomatoes, beans, corn, pineapple, apricots and other), rice, beans, spaghetti, marmalade (as sweetener), cooking oil and quite a large amount of chlorine, soap and some medical supplies. I'm also planning to get fuel to get my family safe in case of a deeper emergency. And even if there is none, gas prices have gone up here a lot (from 0.75 USD/l last year, to 1.25 USD/l this year), so this might not be a bad idea.

Addendum: shortware radio receiver/transmitter, and spare battery+loader. And a solar charger for small electronics.

I've also researched areas in this country, and came to the conclusion that Neuquén, Argentina is a great place to go in case of emergency. There is plenty of fresh water, a small population, it is not that affected by earthquakes, and parts of it are very green.

On a side note, there was a painter in Argentina called Benjamín Solari Paravicini, who had "visions" about the future from 1930 until his death in the 60's, and prophesied many things that did occur, for example Hitler, the Sputnik satellites, "electric" and "african" music for the "end days" (not bad for mentioning that in the 1930's), and worldwide stupidity. He prophesied that a cataclysmic worldwide event would occur in the year 2000 (did not). He prophesied that Argentina would help feed the world after such a cataclysm (we have the second largest green plains here). He also mentions a pole shift, but claims that Argentina would still remain in the south. I am very skeptic, but I try to keep my mind open, as there are many interesting ideas in his drawing and notes (which I encourage you to research).

What I wish is I knew a way of helping others in case of such an emergency, but unfortunately I'm not wise enough to do that now :-(. Most of the people I am with have no clue, and that saddens me deeply.

Whoa, I got really inspired in this message :).

[Arrowwind]

mcaballero,, you mention clorine. Do you mean clorox? clorox will loose much of its strength in a year so be sure to cycle your stash and don't let it sit too long. Calcium hypochlorite is a solution that will store forever.. learn about it at www.jimhumble.biz (http://www.jimhumble.biz)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15153-How-To-Purify-Water-with-Calcium-Hypochlorite&p=157096#post157096
Its a great water purifier and can be found in pool supply stores, its called pool shock.

I feel that we have been greatly brainwashed to believe that we do not have to prepare for what is down the road in life. In the old days food storage was a skill every family knew to one degree or another. Don't feel guilty or silly for doing it. You are following primal instincts that are a part of who you are, that has not been repressed.

If you store gasoline it will only keep for about 6 months so those containers need to be labled and dated. You can purchase a product to add to it to preserve it for much longer.. I would have that product on hand but save it till the SHTF. Keep rotating your stash of fuel until then. I will make a separate thread to teach how to use calcium hypochlorite

[mcaballero]

Arrowwind.

Thanks a lot for noticing that. Yes, it is indeed Sodium Hypochlorite so thank you so much for pointing that out. I'm looking forward to that thread!

It's always good to hear and exchange opinions. Thanks a lot for that! :-D

[Carolin]

The one condition that I have not yet found effective cures for is fungal infections... except for lufeneron, which is too expensive to stock so if anyone has any ideas... Mostly I have found MMS not effective for imbedded fungal conditions.

Hi Arrowwind,

There is an oncologist from Rome who figured out that cancer is a fungus. He treats it with baking soda. Maybe all fungal infections can be treated the same way. Here is the link to one of his websites. http://www.cancerfungus.com/

[Arrowwind]

I am familiar with Dr Simoncini.... I have not heard of anyone using baking soda just for a fungal infection... you would think that you would have heard something by now... I think there is more to this being effective for cancer than just treating a fungal infection. So many people have used baking soda over the years and I just haven't heard it working for fungal infections... have you? I would like to hear about it if it is so.

Some people get lucky with diet change or MMS.. but not all it seems. Lufeneron is the most promising thing I've come across

[phillipbbg]

Here is the 1st vid of some of his work, I downloaded the set and watched with great interest..... seeing is believing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npgyZMaewuE

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Here are the vids


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQuODiMlUsc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri-C8VvF3Rs

And his example of how it occurs in nature


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJMfrV43ku4

[Watching from Cyprus]

Hi There,

Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) does work on treating Fungus. My mom told me when i was just a kid and used in on my feet/toes ...wupti it was gone. I live in Cyprus and due to the severe heat it is difficult to avoid getting fungus between the toes when you are using closed shoes..and also my son has very often during the summer months.

Fill lukewarm water in a bucked or other where you can submerge your foot. Add a couple of tablespoons of Baking Soda, mix and put your foot in there for as long as you like (minimum 15 min) . Do that evening before going to bed and again in the morning. It will be gone practically immediately. Or even better dip some cotton into a strong solution (1tsp to one shot glass of water) and place on the affected area. Go to bed and it will surely be gone in the morning.

I can also confirm it works wonders again external hemorrhoids :-)

Dont believe the lying media's who has completely destroyed the good work of Dr. Simoncini and if you look him up via wikipedia (only in italian) it is so so sad to see what they are writing about him and his years of research.

May they feel such shame in their souls when the consciousnesses change is complete...

I love you all
Peter

[Lancelot]

Becoming as Self sufficient as possible and learning which wild foods you can eat is a good start- you'd be surprised how much useful stuff there is growing out there. I can reccommend a great little book called 'Food for Free'

[The Truth Is In There]

I am familiar with Dr Simoncini.... I have not heard of anyone using baking soda just for a fungal infection... you would think that you would have heard something by now... I think there is more to this being effective for cancer than just treating a fungal infection. So many people have used baking soda over the years and I just haven't heard it working for fungal infections... have you? I would like to hear about it if it is so.

Some people get lucky with diet change or MMS.. but not all it seems. Lufeneron is the most promising thing I've come across

i think it's important to first get rid of all heavy metals that may have accumulated in your body. i have read somewhere that candida seems to thrive in bodies full of mercury/amalgam. so first the metal, then the fungus or it will always return.

[Marianne]

Arrowwind, do you have essential oils in your stores? They are effective germicides and fungicides. I buy mine from Essential Oil University. Basic essential oils for a first aid kit would be lavender for burns and general use, thyme is powerful in for killing germs, tea tree for general use, and a combo of ravensara, basil and cloves for viral infections.
Let me do a bit of research in my books tomorrow and see which combo is best for fungal infections.
Your healing wares are impressive! I'm an herbalist too.
Do you have calendula in your garden? The resinous petals are made into a tincture that's effective as a lymph cleanser (keeps you from getting sick, or shortens it) and a gentle skin oil for babies and sensitive skins, and an herbal wash for germs, to prevent infections. Doctors used it on battlefield wounds during the civil war.
I like to order seeds and plants from Richter's. Great selection of herbs.
Marianne

[Arrowwind]

Arrowwind, do you have essential oils in your stores?

Junebug, I have stayed away from essential oils because I use homoepathy quite a bit and they tend not to mix well. I go to herbs when I can't get anywhere with homoepathy, which is not all that often. I have seen homoepathy cure some pretty difficult fungal issues. These days I am working on expanding my repertory into other modalities as some people dont respond to homeopathy and are not good homoepathic users for a variety of reasons. But I am developing an interest in tonics and things you can take to keep optimally well, before sickness occurs.... I love herbal teas... and I have a great herbal forumula for flu.. once my son got severely ill from the flu and I couldn't cure it... scared the bejeebers out of me.. so I went about making a flu tincture that can knock the socks off.... and the flu too!;)

The only oils I have around are tea tree, oregano and lavender. Calendula is a great homoeapthic plant and it is used in very low potency in baby products etc. you will see on the lable calendula, calendula 1x, 2x, 3x,,,, so that product has calendula in it as well as the three different potencies of callendula.. this is call a homocord remedy and can be way more effective than any of its parts given separately. Some plant medicines work homoepathically without having to go through the dilutions and potenization process... symphytum off. is another one... place the macerated plant leaves and root directly on a fracture (not a compound fracture) and it will cut the mend time almost in half... so will the homoepathic remedy symphytum in 200c.. It takes away all pain. The homoepathic is great for compound fractures, after it is set and sutured as it will also help heal soft tissues and bruising.

Funny you mention a lymph cleanser. I have used a homeopathic lymph cleaner for many years but right now it is failing me... so Ive been thinking about cleavers... do you know about them? I use castor oil for lymph cleansing too.. and I really really like it. I will look more into calendula for the lymph. Dealing with swollen lumpy lymph nodes in an arm pit. Castor oil is working the best of anything right now as it has cut it in half... but was thinking of getting cleavers. Its too late here to start growing calendula. Would I take a tea or make a poutice?

[Marianne]

Yes, cleavers is a wonderful lymph cleanser, equal to calendula. I have used it as a tea and a tincture. I don't have experience with a poultice, but we know that the skin takes up the herbal med so I imagine it would work too -- maybe do both oral and skin?
Ah yes, I love the mighty comfrey -- I have never needed it for bones, but heard about good cures with it. I know it has fallen out of favor orally. (interesting how the FDA decides what's 'dangerous')
My chiropractor told me the lymph glands can be very gently 'milked' to help them release toxins.
Would you mind sharing your flu formula? The only one I've used is David Hoffmann's formula - yarrow, peppermint and elderflower.
Homeopathy is one area I have NO knowledge of, but it's fascinating to read your posts. My sister in law has had some good success with it.

[Arrowwind]

My chiropractor told me the lymph glands can be very gently 'milked' to help them release toxins.
Would you mind sharing your flu formula?

Yes, lymphatic drainage massage is helpful. I do it every night. Cant seem to qutie get to the core of the issue.
Equal to calendula? Well neither are very helpful to me when right now they are about 100 miles away.. time to go to the city I guess.

The flu formula is on my blog here.. about the 6th suggestion down.
http://www.healthsalon.org/31/flu-season-heres-what-you-can-do/

[Marianne]

Arrowwind--Do you have woods around you? Chances are good that you woud find cleavers growing wild. It looks distinctive enough to identify easily. It creeps along the ground and grows in whorls along the stem. And the clincher is that it sticks to clothing, especially a sweater. I remember my teacher sticking it on a student's sweater during an herb walk.

Thank you for the blog link--lots of good information there. Time for me to stock up too

[Selene]

There is a lot to be learned from the economic depression that is happening right now in Greece. For those of you who have been planning and prepping for financial collapse for awhile, these will not come as news but as verification. But if you’ve had any doubts about the wisdom of ‘putting aside some victuals’ here’s what you need to know.

(See the details for each of these at the link here: http://www.activistpost.com/2012/06/10-things-that-we-can-learn-about.html)



1. Food Shortages Can Actually Happen.
See more details for these at the link above.

2. Medicines Are One Of The First Things That Becomes Scarce During An Economic Collapse.

3. When An Economy Collapses, So Might The Power Grid.

4. During An Economic Collapse You Cannot Even Take Water For Granted.

5. During An Economic Crisis Your Credit Cards And Debit Cards May Stop Working.

6. Crime, Rioting And Looting Become Commonplace During An Economic Collapse.

7. During A Financial Meltdown Many Average Citizens Will Start Bartering.

8. Suicides Spike During An Economic Collapse.

9. Your Currency May Rapidly Lose Value During An Economic Crisis.

10. When Things Hit The Fan The Government Will Not Save You.

This isn’t scaremongering about what might happen. It’s what does happen. And is happening right now, even in the “soft” collapse of Greece.

Cheers,
Selene

[conk]

We made up our own list of items we, or others, use daily. Things like dental floss, sanitary nakins, vitamins, fire, light, water, liquor/beer, tools, food, cash, and more. The basement has shelves with multiples of these type things for our own use and for bartering. Praying that we never need them, but......

[Rambo45]

I try to always see how I can be like Macgyver and make the most out of what I have. I also have bug out bags prepared with the usuals but I think mentally training yourself to see how you can use what you've got is a great habit to develop.

[Bill Ryan]

What are your preparations for any potential crisis situation?

http://projectavalon.net/Preparedness_sm.jpg

... and a little bit more than that, as well, not captured in this photo.

What you can see here is:

Supplements of all kinds
EMP (Faraday) bags (to protect electronics, surprisingly inexpensive)
Ferrite clip-on surge suppressors (which cost about $1 each)
Water filter + cartridges
Ham radio station + aerials (used, from eBay)
MMS (which I bought quite a while back when it was still legal)
Colloidal silver generator
External hard drives for data backup
Rechargeable batteries + solar recharger
Hand-held short-range radios for local use
Solar-rechargeable flashlights
Solar + hand-crankable short wave radio

Higher resolution image here!
http://projectavalon.net/Preparedness.jpg

Also:

I have a beloved, 26-year old 4x4 (200,000+ miles) which is in quite good shape -- no computerized engine management system to be knocked out, and a simple engine that's easy to work on -- but I still need to rewire the entire vehicle as old, brittle wiring is vulnerable to induced voltage spikes which can punch through old insulation. I also intend to get hold of and store spare points, plugs, coil, bulbs, and plenty of assorted fuses (all inexpensive but critical if they fail), but have not yet done so.
Critical, irreplaceable data (including high-quality digital scans of all legal documents such as passport, driver's license, etc etc) is burned to CDs and DVDs. (Optical media is not vulnerable to EMP loss.)
I have a dehydrator, but have not yet started preparing food for long-term storage.
I have almost no cash in the bank (or anywhere else!) -- and what modest reserves I have have all been invested in useful materials and resources. (That's always what it was for.)
The most important item I have not yet got is a diesel generator (+ a supply of fuel). Small ones only cost a few hundred $$ (cheaper if used), and diesel can be stored stably and safely for long periods of time. A small generator + 100 gallons of diesel can provide basic emergency power, on a minimal basis, for many months.

[Brizil]

What you can see here is:

Supplements of all kinds
EMP (Faraday) bags (to protect electronics, surprisingly inexpensive)
Ferrite clip-on surge suppressors (which cost about $1 each)
Water filter + cartridges
Ham radio station + aerials (used, from eBay)
MMS (which I bought quite a while back when it was still legal)
Colloidal silver generator
External hard drives for data backup
Rechargeable batteries + solar recharger
Hand-held short-range radios for local use
Solar-rechargeable flashlights
Solar + hand-crankable short wave radio



I am a licensed ham operator. Maybe Avalonians that are ham operators can find ways to connect on the HF bands. The local FM repeaters will be down if the electric goes but I have a set up that will allow me to transmit on HF/UHF indefinitely with solar. I do have EMP bags and an aluminum trash can that I will put my equipment in and bury it until it is safe hook up. Having a ham radio is a must in my opinion. Bill, how about getting the hams that are members to set up a communication network/plan on the HF/UHF bands in case of emergency?

[ThePythonicCow]

I smiled when I realized my stash had many similarities :).


MMS (which I bought quite a while back when it was still legal)

So far as I know, one can still purchase MMS, such as here on Amazon (http://amzn.com/B005XRNJ30) or here at Discovermms.com (http://www.discovermms.com/). I've not used Discovermms.com, so can't speak for them. If Amazon has a frequent flyer plan, then I've got a pre-paid ticket to at least the moon when the time comes.

I'd recommend a toothpaste without glycerin, as that coats the teeth (why they feel so smooth after brushing) inhibiting self healing of minor flaws in the enamel. (Noticed some Jason toothpaste, left side of counter.) Try toothsoap.com.

Be sure to have plenty of matches, iodine, and 2 or 3 or 4 water filters of various kinds -- must not risk one's water supply.

I figure a computer in a good metal case that is powered off and totally disconnected - no wires attached - has a good chance of surviving an EMP, so I keep a couple (well, several, actually, being a computer nerd) old ones around.

[astrid]

Cool.. thanks for the tip on the Diesel generator, i was struggling with the whole issue of power,
searching for one now. .

[bluestflame]

and old victa lawnmower engine with a pulley mod hooked up to a 12v car alternator can supply a bit of power, can play with extra pulleys and ratios to get the revs down

can always use the old treadly (bike) with a belt to a mounted flywheel , pully ratios etc to get the best power to effort ratio

[ThePythonicCow]

Cool.. thanks for the tip on the Diesel generator, i was struggling with the whole issue of power,
searching for one now. .

Propane gas generators also work, and 20 pound tanks of propane (usually used for outdoor barbeque's -- BBQ's) can also be kept a long time.

Then I'll be re-purposing my computer's UPS backups (a pair of APC SmartUPS 750's)... recharge them on the generator, then bring them inside to run easy stuff, like a light, radio, laptop, battery charger, ... Running a portable generator just to get one or two hundred watts of power is rather inefficient.

The same propane can be used with a pressure cooker on the BBQ to cook beans. Pressure cookers are the most energy efficient way to cook beans.

If the crisis lasts very long however, the above will be fond memories.

[Anchor]

Cool.. thanks for the tip on the Diesel generator, i was struggling with the whole issue of power,
searching for one now. .

Thumbs up for diesel!

The best thing about Diesel is that it is safer to store than petrol (gasoline) also safer to handle but potentially messier :)

If you store Diesel, ensure you add the appropriate biocides to make it last longer- its hygroscopic and water collects at the bottom of your tank - stuff grows at the oil water interface that is bad for engines! Airtight storage is the best, but hardest to achieve without getting lots of small metal tanks.

The downside of Diesel engines is that they need to work hard to last a long time - if you have a Diesel generator, make sure its under 60% - 100% load so that the cylinders last a good long time between overhauls.

Modern petrol generators can slow down when they are not under load - economical.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Cool.. thanks for the tip on the Diesel generator, i was struggling with the whole issue of power,
searching for one now. .


Modern petrol generators can slow down when they are not under load - economical.

With a few more components, much fuel can be saved and generator life can be extended. The generator does not need to run 100% to make electricity continuously available. Just add an inverter and batteries to the system.

The larger inverters are designed to charge batteries when external power (the generator or the commercial electric grid) is available. With the external power off, the inverter changes operational mode, converting battery energy to conventional household power.

If electrical power requirements are small, a few deep cycle (important) batteries, a small (inexpensive) inverter and a separate independent automotive battery charger can be used.

Solar battery charging can be added later to expand system capability.

When power demand is high, just start the generator.

[Christine]

Here are some of my must haves:

Hand cranked wheat grass juicer - number two in importance, you can live off of grass, clover, and alfalfa. It will also juice carrots, greens, and beets.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E7L2K6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?ie=UTF8&smid=A14J1QM1C1ENRL
Katadyn water filter - super number on importance, if water source is polluted a good water filter will become essential.
http://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-Vario-Multi-Water-Microfilter/dp/B000KUVVY4/ref=lh_ni_t
Oil expeller - an extra but well worth it to be able to make your own oils and it can be fitted to a bicycle.
http://www.amazon.com/Piteba-Nut-Seed-Expeller-press/dp/B004H2SDTM

[freespirit]

Kick the doors in at my local Tesco's.Fill a trolley with water,soup and corn beef.Go home lock my door and listen to the radio.

Oh and draw the curtains.

[Brizil]

What are your preparations for any potential crisis situation?

http://projectavalon.net/Preparedness_sm.jpg

... and a little bit more than that, as well, not captured in this photo.

What you can see here is:

Supplements of all kinds
EMP (Faraday) bags (to protect electronics, surprisingly inexpensive)
Ferrite clip-on surge suppressors (which cost about $1 each)
Water filter + cartridges
Ham radio station + aerials (used, from eBay)
MMS (which I bought quite a while back when it was still legal)
Colloidal silver generator
External hard drives for data backup
Rechargeable batteries + solar recharger
Hand-held short-range radios for local use
Solar-rechargeable flashlights
Solar + hand-crankable short wave radio

Higher resolution image here!
http://projectavalon.net/Preparedness.jpg

Also:

I have a beloved, 26-year old 4x4 (200,000+ miles) which is in quite good shape -- no computerized engine management system to be knocked out, and a simple engine that's easy to work on -- but I still need to rewire the entire vehicle as old, brittle wiring is vulnerable to induced voltage spikes which can punch through old insulation. I also intend to get hold of and store spare points, plugs, coil, bulbs, and plenty of assorted fuses (all inexpensive but critical if they fail), but have not yet done so.
Critical, irreplaceable data (including high-quality digital scans of all legal documents such as passport, driver's license, etc etc) is burned to CDs and DVDs. (Optical media is not vulnerable to EMP loss.)
I have a dehydrator, but have not yet started preparing food for long-term storage.
I have almost no cash in the bank (or anywhere else!) -- and what modest reserves I have have all been invested in useful materials and resources. (That's always what it was for.)
The most important item I have not yet got is a diesel generator (+ a supply of fuel). Small ones only cost a few hundred $$ (cheaper if used), and diesel can be stored stably and safely for long periods of time. A small generator + 100 gallons of diesel can provide basic emergency power, on a minimal basis, for many months.


I spoke with my friend that has been involved with ham radio for thirty years. He told me that he would be willing to set up a dedicated team speak channel (www.teamspeak.com to download the software) for us that we could meet on to set up the communication network/plan so we may be able to connect when/if the grid goes down. I can provide recommendations to those that are new to ham radio and so can my buddy. Anyone Interested let me know asap. If you don't have a ham radio you will need a all mode all band radio like this one

http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-007099

and an antenna that will receive and transmit on HF/UHF frequencies like this

http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-006411

this external antenna tuner is needed as well which connects right to the side of the radio

http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-010246

Here is a good solar panel

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GEFFBO/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i02

Two of these batteries can be charged by the solar panel above and can run the radio above for 4 hours each

http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-006310

This Duracell power pack can be charged by the above solar panel as well

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TKHMWK/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00

and will be able to run radio along with other things simultaneously

If/When solar event happens here is what you can store equipment in

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AS2AKK/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00

These EMP bags are great protection for equipment

http://techprotectbag.com/products-page/product-category/32x38-large-marge

but I would double bag and put in metal trash can AND bury the trash can at least three feet underground. EVERYTHING fits in there quite nicely.

*Much of this stuff can be found used on ebay at excellent prices but BE CAREFUL

Something else. Getting licensed as a technician is very easy. All the questions can be studied using this book

http://www.amazon.com/Ham-Radio-License-Manual-Arrl/dp/0872590976/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1344805997&sr=8-1&keywords=technician+ham+radio

However, to transmit on the HF/UHF frequencies you must have a general license. Here is the book for that exam

http://www.amazon.com/General-License-Manual-Softcover-Amateur/dp/087259811X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344806116&sr=1-1&keywords=general+license+ham+radio

I recommend that you study for both exams and take them at the same time. The exams are not that difficult and there are CD's included with the book that have every single question on them for both tests. 5 year olds have passed the technician class exam. It is quite easy. The general exam is more challenging but you can take practice tests for both exams till you feel ready right from the CD's

[spiritwind]

Thank you so much for this information on ham radios. It's been the one thing I've wanted to know more about and didn't know who to ask. It's also been the one thing missing from my list of essential things to know about/have. Hopefully we'll sell our boat soon and I'll have the money to get one. Communication, could be key to survival under some conditions. I've just been talking with my 18 year old daughter today. When I first started talking she got upset because she thought I was trying to scare her. Once we got past that (all you really have to do in this situation is remind people what happened after Hurricane Katrina) she figured out that I wanted to discuss what I would like her to do in a variety of different situations so that we could be more prepared, thereby increasing our chances of survival. I wanted her to know where the safest place in the house was, where certain things were, what I planned on doing in a variety of situations etc. I've actually mapped how I would get out of town on foot if I had to. Emergency preparedness is always a good thing.

[Brizil]

Thank you so much for this information on ham radios. It's been the one thing I've wanted to know more about and didn't know who to ask. It's also been the one thing missing from my list of essential things to know about/have. Hopefully we'll sell our boat soon and I'll have the money to get one. Communication, could be key to survival under some conditions. I've just been talking with my 18 year old daughter today. When I first started talking she got upset because she thought I was trying to scare her. Once we got past that (all you really have to do in this situation is remind people what happened after Hurricane Katrina) she figured out that I wanted to discuss what I would like her to do in a variety of different situations so that we could be more prepared, thereby increasing our chances of survival. I wanted her to know where the safest place in the house was, where certain things were, what I planned on doing in a variety of situations etc. I've actually mapped how I would get out of town on foot if I had to. Emergency preparedness is always a good thing.

Anything I can do to help just message me!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

For those interested in amateur radio, I would like to give a little information that may be helpful before you spend a lot of money and have unreasonable expectations about reliable communications. For the record I have an Extra class (all amateur privileges) license, but I do not consider myself to be much more than a beginner. My comments apply primarily to high frequency (HF) communications.

Worldwide communications depends upon many variables. While it is true that there are times when communications are possible hundreds or thousands miles away, it cannot be done all the time. The most popular frequency band (there are many) for long distance is 20 meters (14.150 - 14.350 mHz using voice). However, communications on 20 meters may not be possible at less than a hundred miles or so. An exception to this is when you are very close, let's say less than 30 miles distant. For example, from my Virginia location it is easier for me to talk to Florida and Texas stations than it is to talk with other stations only 30 miles away.

Atmospheric conditions, time of day and sunspot activity are all variables that influence communications. Some frequency bands fluctuate more than others. When conditions allow, communications can be worldwide.

There are many amateur radio clubs here in the U.S. and in other countries. The clubs I'm familiar with are very helpful to those interested in the hobby. Many clubs have members who can administer the examinations required for a license. These helpful hams can be a valuable source of information for those looking for used or new equipment. Get to know your local radio club. They love new people interested in getting a license.

The least expensive new HF radio that I know of is the ICOM IC-718, $740 (http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-003490). Used transceivers can be found for less. Most HF radios are powered with 12 volts DC. Find a friendly and local ham for advice when purchasing a used radio.

The extremely simple homemade 20 meter dipole antenna that I use was made using aluminum electric fence wire. All parts, including the shielded coaxial cable between the radio and the antenna could not have cost more than $50.

If the radio is used only on one frequency band, an antenna tuner is not needed if the antenna wire is cut to the correct length.

[Brizil]

For those interested in amateur radio, I would like to give a little information that may be helpful before you spend a lot of money and have unreasonable expectations about reliable communications. For the record I have an Extra class (all amateur privileges) license, but I do not consider myself to be much more than a beginner. My comments apply primarily to high frequency (HF) communications.

Worldwide communications depends upon many variables. While it is true that there are times when communications are possible hundreds or thousands miles away, it cannot be done all the time. The most popular frequency band (there are many) for long distance is 20 meters (14.150 - 14.350 mHz using voice). However, communications on 20 meters may not be possible at less than a hundred miles or so. An exception to this is when you are very close, let's say less than 30 miles distant. For example, from my Virginia location it is easier for me to talk to Florida and Texas stations than it is to talk with other stations only 30 miles away.

Atmospheric conditions, time of day and sunspot activity are all variables that influence communications. Some frequency bands fluctuate more than others. When conditions allow, communications can be worldwide.

There are many amateur radio clubs here in the U.S. and in other countries. The clubs I'm familiar with are very helpful to those interested in the hobby. Many clubs have members who can administer the examinations required for a license. These helpful hams can be a valuable source of information for those looking for used or new equipment. Get to know your local radio club. They love new people interested in getting a license.

The least expensive new HF radio that I know of is the ICOM IC-718, $740 (http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-003490). Used transceivers can be found for less. Most HF radios are powered with 12 volts DC. Find a friendly and local ham for advice when purchasing a used radio.

The extremely simple homemade 20 meter dipole antenna that I use was made using aluminum electric fence wire. All parts, including the shielded coaxial cable between the radio and the antenna could not have cost more than $50.

If the radio is used only on one frequency band, an antenna tuner is not needed if the antenna wire is cut to the correct length.

rmauersr - Maybe we could connect over team speak and get this going? I am only a technician but am taking the general test September 1st or 2nd. I am a brand new ham but have received a great deal of help from local hams like you suggested. I can do research during the week of the 20th to try and find the most inexpensive set up for any avalonians interested in purchasing a ham radio. Let me know!

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

What medications / Vitimins are people stocking up on?

[Camilo]

It seems like the best chance rest in the ability to organize in small communities of like minded people.

[Dennis Leahy]

There is a backyard grill on sale at a local big-box store that caught my eye. It is designed for charcoal, but here is my thinking: it works for charcoal or wood (even has a crank-handle that raises and lowers the bed of coals.) The lid opens far enough that very large pots can be placed on it, which means it will work for giant cauldrons of soup and especially for canning.

I saw a guy make his own custom gas burner, simply by bending pipe and drilling out many small holes for the gas/flames. In his case, this was just hooked to a small propane bottle (like a plumber might use) so the gas regulation was just the torch connector. So, I am thinking... how about making 2 custom gas burners that could go onto this wood/charcoal grill. That way, the grill could be used with either fuel source.

I am in the "engineering/noodling" phase, and will report back if I decide to do this. I am thinking that I would want the gas burners, regulators and hoses to be able to come completely off and re-attach easily, so that when making a charcoal or wood fire, there is no chance of a gas explosion - and a wood fire could warp the burners so it will be good to be able to remove them.

The propane grill I now have is small and will not accommodate 2 large pots or 1 large pot and 1 canner, which is why I decided to see what else was available.

Here's a quick YouTube video that shows a guy repairing old gas grill burners, and you'll see this part is easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNuCZ1KERds
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNuCZ1KERds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNuCZ1KERds)

Dennis

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The Volcano stove (http://beprepared.com/search.asp?t=ss&ss=Volcano&image1.x=0&image1.y=0&sid=GOOGLE&gclid=CJGRnrfuo7ICFUXf4AodijoAGA) was my choice for a stove. It will burn propane, wood or charcoal. The stove can collapse to make it more portable during an evacuation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1qSg-QzZINs#!

It can be used with a dutch oven or a flexible accessory oven for baking.

[Dennis Leahy]

Thanks, rmauersr. I think you posted a link before, and I probably bookmarked it without really checking it out. That thing is cool! Big advantage of portability (anything from a "bug-out bag" to camping) over a backyard grill. The big backyard grill would be left behind in a bug-out situation, but would be a better choice for the idea of outdoor canning (those 2 heavy pots of soup, canning water, or the pressure cooker.)

Thanks for posting that!

Dennis

[Arrowwind]

To me the rocket stove is where its at. If you have to cook with several pots have two rocket stoves. A very small amount of wood will go a long way. Its not portable though... but if you have a car you can transport the parts easy enough. Its my choice because sage brush would be my main fuel but any sticks will do

this is the high tech fancy version and check out the roctet ovens: http://www.rocketstove.org/

I like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6ValmUnjz4&feature=related

[Arrowwind]

What medications / Vitimins are people stocking up on?

Heres some of what I have going...

MMS1 and MMS22
Vitamin c
Vitamin D3
Multi B
Lugol's iodine ( pretty soon Im gonna teach myself how to make it)
pycogenol
genitan violet
boric acid

From the drug store:
pseudophedrine
zyrtec
mucinex
ibuprofen
H202
rubbing alchohol

Colloidal Silver generator

Hand lotions (working in the soil tears them up)

Baking Soda

A homeopathic kit with 300 remedies in two potencies
Machine to make lipsomal vitamin c

Starting to plant medicinal plants that include;
bloodroot
sheep sorrel
burdock
turkish rhubarb
Comfrey
mints
echinacea
mullein

Planting Goji Berries

planting a slipperly elm tree next year

[Dennis Leahy]

Ideas for a solar-powered battery charger?

Something that can charge AA rechargeable batteries at least (for flashlights.) Most of what I see on the market (http://www.amazon.com/Opteka-BP-SC4000-Powered-Capacity-4000mAh/dp/B005ZSVZRY/ref=pd_cp_cps_0) is for charging cell phones, etc.

Dennis

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Ideas for a solar-powered battery charger?

Something that can charge AA rechargeable batteries at least (for flashlights.) Most of what I see on the market (http://www.amazon.com/Opteka-BP-SC4000-Powered-Capacity-4000mAh/dp/B005ZSVZRY/ref=pd_cp_cps_0) is for charging cell phones, etc.

Dennis

Dennis, You might give consideration to using some components you probably already have. If you already have a charging device powered by 120VAC, here is another way to solve the problem.



Use a 12V solar panel connected to your car battery to keep the battery charged.
Purchase a small 12VDC to 120VAC inverter.
Connect the AAA battery charger to the inverter output.

This takes a few more parts but gives you the capability of powering other low power consuming devices from the 120VAC inverter output.

15 Watt Solar Panel (http://www.amazon.com/Sunforce-50032-Solar-Battery-Charger/dp/B0006JO0X8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1347413875&sr=8-2&keywords=solar+battery+charger) $89.95

Inverter (http://www.amazon.com/BESTEK-inverter-motolora-blackberry-3011BU-Y-3/dp/B004MDXS0U/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1347414001&sr=1-1&keywords=inverter+12v+to+110v) $25.09

Just stumbled upon this solar charger (http://www.amazon.com/Solar-Powered-Battery-Charger-Charges/dp/B000H36S0G/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1347413875&sr=8-8&keywords=solar+battery+charger) $38.49 which is closer to what you asked for. But consider the versatility of the other options above.

A coarse rule of thumb: If a 12 Volt battery is charged at 15 amps for 60 minutes, that charge is good for running a 120 Volt 15 amp appliance for 6 minutes, or a 1.5 amp (90 watts) appliance for 60 minutes. Results will be a little less than that due to the efficiency of the inverter but the inverters are pretty efficient.

[genevieve]

EYES WIDE OPEN--

These are items I feel are bottom-line essential:

Number one, of course, is water. Make sure you have plenty of really good water and keep yourself well hydrated. I recommend

--Pro Pur (as seen on Alex Jones's site)--it's a drip filter, not connected to a faucet

For excellent information re water and how important being properly hydrated is
I recommend this website

--Dancing with Water


Our bodies MUST have magnesium, potassium and iodine to operate efficiently

--magnesium oil
--Lugol's iodine (aka: potassium iodide)

Our bodies also need trace minerals

--sea salt (e.g., Real Salt, Himalayan, etc.)

Our acid/alkaline balance (pH) REALLY makes a difference to how our bodies function

--organic apple cider vinegar
--baking soda--better is potassium bicarbonate [EDIT per Paul's info in post #99 on this thread]
--pH test strips

Other bottom-line nutrients from

--super green food drinks (take your pick, but go organic)
--honey

And don't forget this wondrous food/health enhancer

--coconut oil


Plus: I had a horrible case of scabies for a year (!) until I discovered clove oil and wiped them out very quickly. Believe me, once you've had scabies and found a quick cure, you'd never want to be without it. It worked so quickly that I could hardly believe they were gone. Six months later, I'm still dealing with the aftermath of the devastation of my skin. And it's probably good for other skin infestations as well.

--clove oil (dilute it to NO MORE than 6% with a carrier oil [e.g. olive oil])

I purchased most of these items from Swanson's Vitamins online and Amazon (compare prices between these two--Swanson's actually sells coconut oil less expensively than Amazon!).

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve


EDIT: Thanks VERY much, Paul.

[ThePythonicCow]

--baking soda
Instead of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate), I'd suggest potassium bicarbonate. Most of us are more in need of potassium than sodium, and potassium contributes more to keeping the body alkaline than does sodium.

The following article discusses potassium bicarbonate: Diet, evolution and aging -- The pathophysiologic effects of the post-agricultural inversion of the potassium-to-sodium and base-to-chloride ratios in the human diet, by Frassetto L, Morris RC Jr, Sellmeyer DE, Todd K, Sebastian A. (pdf) (www.ionizers.org/pdf/3-scientific-articles/Diet_Evolution_and_Aging.pdf). It's a valuable article; once you've read it, you will likely never recommend sodium bicarbonate over potassium bicarbonate again.

You can get food grade potassium bicarbonate from wine making supply shops, or from nuts.com. It is used (as is acidic calcium chloride) to control the pH of wine.

I add Himalayan pink salt, potassium bicarbonate, Willard water (especially for the sulfates) and fulvic ionic minerals to my drinking water (after using reverse osmosis, various carbon filters and distillation to remove all the crap from it.) When I pour that water into my glass, it fizzes from all the oxygen dissolved into the water, almost as it were carbonated. "Regular" commercial carbonation uses CO2, which is rather acidic and not recommended. But oxygen fizz is a sign of healthy water.

Whenever I tinker with my drinking water "recipe", I use pH strips and a dissolved solids meter, such as the TDS-3, to verify that the result is alkaline and has roughly two or three hundred parts per million dissolved solids (the minerals I added, not the original crap in my municipal water.)

The essential reason we want to keep our bodies slightly alkaline is that our bodies are electric ... they depend on complex electromagnetic fields and currents for the very essence of life. Acids are (positive) proton donors, which means (negative) electron thieves, reducing the conductivity of our body's tissues. Alkalines (bases) are proton thieves, which means electron donors, increasing the conductivity of our body's tissues. As can be read in the above linked pdf, there has been a major shift in our civilized diet from alkaline foods to acidic foods, which contributes to the de-energizing, dumbing down, of humanity.

I recently added 25 pounds of potassium bicarbonate to my supplies, obtained in bulk from an online supplier to wine makers. I repackaged it into several small bags, evacuating the air using a "Food Saver", so that it will keep a long time. Air degrades it. Every year or two, I can open another bag.

[T Smith]

Ideas for a solar-powered battery charger?

Something that can charge AA rechargeable batteries at least (for flashlights.) Most of what I see on the market (http://www.amazon.com/Opteka-BP-SC4000-Powered-Capacity-4000mAh/dp/B005ZSVZRY/ref=pd_cp_cps_0) is for charging cell phones, etc.

Dennis

Hi Dennis,

This is the solar charger I have. Just purchased it recently. I haven't had a chance to try it out yet, but it does have favorable reveiws:

http://www.ccrane.com/more-categories/batteries-chargers/solar-powered-battery-charger.aspx

[Meesh]

I have about 2 weeks worth of bottled water and I have bought solar powered lanterns and good surge protecters for our computers. Also, some food items. That's about all I can do, but it's something.

The spiritual preparation is a given. Been doing that for over 30 years.

[Dennis Leahy]

...
And don't forget this wondrous food/health enhancer

--coconut oil

I purchased most of these items from Swanson's Vitamins online ...

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve
Hi Genevieve,

Thanks for the Swanson's Vitamin's lead. Here's a link for others: Swanson's Vitamins (http://www.swansonvitamins.com/)

(and a link straight to coconut oil): http://www.swansonvitamins.com/q?kw=cocout+oil&x=35&y=9

The price is less than half the price of my buying club price for virgin organic coconut oil. That is, if the measurements are reasonably close) I think the Swanson's is sold by weight in ounces and most oil is sold by the volume of liquid ounces that the container would hold.

Dennis

{edit to add}

I'd suggest potassium bicarbonate. Most of us are more in need of potassium than sodium, and potassium contributes more to keeping the body alkaline than does sodium.

...Nuts.com did have a good price, and especially, thanks for the info about alkalizing water! You may need to do a long post in another thread on "Water" (I started creating a thread a couple of weeks ago, crashed my browser, and had so many tabs open that I forgot to go back and "Lazarus" it back to life.) The long post could describe your entire process, in detail. I'm interested and intrigued.

Dennis

[Bill Ryan]

I have about 2 weeks worth of bottled water and I have bought solar powered lanterns and good surge protecters for our computers. Also, some food items. That's about all I can do, but it's something.


EMP (Faraday) Bags. Cheap for the vital insurance they offer: they'll safeguard all your electronics in the event of an EMP/CME. Available here:

http://disasterstuff.com/store/pc/EMP-Faraday-Bags-c128.htm

[RunningDeer]

Last week, I collected a couple of large garbage bags of kindling from the State Forest for my new BioLite camp stove. And purchased additional fire starters, too.

BioLite Camp Stove for $129 (http://biolitestove.com/campstove/camp-overview/features/). No batteries and it also powers up gadgets like phone and iPad. The guy does a nice job demonstrating how it works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8pxT7jTGSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8pxT7jTGSs

[RunningDeer]

Water Bottle

These are a couple of items with portability in mind. (i.e., living out of a car if disaster hits) This is a place to begin your research for price comparison and models.

Water Bottle

http://www.berkeyfilters.com/berkeysport.htm

“Berkey portable water filters are easy to use and very effective. Berkey portable water filters remove virtually all contaminants and bad flavors from water. Even pond water can be made drinkable with Berkey portable water filters.”

Refill Capacity:
Water from any source -160
Municipal Water - 640

“At 22 ounces and weighing less than 1 pound, the sport Berkey bottle is lightweight and easy to use. No pumps, or breakdowns to worry about either.  When encountering a lake, pond, or stream, just fill up and start drinking.”
"The exclusive filter also incorporates proprietary absorbing media that are impregnated into the micro-porous filter for the IONIC absorption of pollutants into the filter such as aluminum, cadmium, chromium, copper, lead, mercury, and other dangerous heavy metals."

Eliminator - 1500 watts
http://mysolarbackup.com/eliminator.html
What I liked about this is portability and you can plug it into your car. The downside like all back up equipment, you can’t expect to run a lot of things for long periods of time without recharging. You have to factor in the recharge time. There’s a vid demo at the link above.

“The Eliminator is a backup power system that can supply up to 1500 W of household electricity and is an excellent alternative to a generator. It’s quiet and has no fumes, fuel or moving parts, making it safe for indoor use. This mobile workhorse can also be used outdoors, and operates a wide variety of electronics including communication devices, power tools, full-size appliances and more.”
Applications
Emergency power: operates essential appliances such as a fridge, cordless and cell phone, radio, fan, lamp, home security system, microwave, sump pump and more.
Work productivity: operates power tools such as a drill, belt sander, circular saw and more; powers communication devices such as a laptop, desktop and monitor, printer, fax machine and more.
Indoor and outdoor recreation: operates a TV, blender, video game console, portable cooler, coffee maker and more.

[RunningDeer]

I saved rmauersr's post on water bottles. rmauersr found my Berkey Filters cheaper at Amazon.com

http://www.berkeyfilters.com/berkeysport.htm

“Berkey portable water filters (http://www.berkeyfilters.com/berkeysport.htm) are easy to use and very effective. Berkey portable water filters remove virtually all contaminants and bad flavors from water. Even pond water can be made drinkable with Berkey portable water filters.”

Refill Capacity:
Water from any source -160
Municipal Water - 640

“At 22 ounces and weighing less than 1 pound, the sport Berkey bottle is lightweight and easy to use. No pumps, or breakdowns to worry about either.  When encountering a lake, pond, or stream, just fill up and start drinking.”

"The exclusive filter also incorporates proprietary absorbing media that are impregnated into the micro-porous filter for the IONIC absorption of pollutants into the filter such as aluminum, cadmium, chromium, copper, lead, mercury, and other dangerous heavy metals."[/QUOTE]

At only $22.34 on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Sport-Berkey-Portable-Water-Purifier/dp/B0026OKYPE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1342833670&sr=8-2&keywords=berkey+water+filter+portable), everyone should have one of these filters.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdjByIaAx8Q

The Katadyn Mybottle is another good choce.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVJcNNsWz_Q

There are many models from Berkey and Katadyn. For those who want the best, the expensive Katadyn Pocket water filter has an amazing capacity of 13,000 gallons depending on the water. Lifetime guaranty if that means anything anymore.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0hGPPKUzCc[/QUOTE]

[RunningDeer]

Last fall after loosing power for 6 days, I purchased a 2'X4' solar panel that's on wheels. It also has a battery back up and wall socket power source. For now, I use it to run my little techno gadgets and fan. It's also portable, so it fits into my car.

I've stocked up on food, water, medical supplies, batteries, dog food, paper products, toiletries, etc. My goal now to is to stock up before the prices sky rocket.

[Christine]

Good information here.

My newest purchase is a Hurricane hand cranked wheat grass juicer. http://www.harvestessentials.com/hurricane-wheatgrass-juicer-stainless-steel-like-mj445.html

You can juice grass, greens, carrots, any sprouts. If you had to you could live off your front lawn. :)

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Water Bottle

These are a couple of items with portability in mind. (i.e., living out of a car if disaster hits) This is a place to begin your research for price comparison and models.

Water Bottle

http://www.berkeyfilters.com/berkeysport.htm

“Berkey portable water filters are easy to use and very effective. Berkey portable water filters remove virtually all contaminants and bad flavors from water. Even pond water can be made drinkable with Berkey portable water filters.”

Refill Capacity:
Water from any source -160
Municipal Water - 640

“At 22 ounces and weighing less than 1 pound, the sport Berkey bottle is lightweight and easy to use. No pumps, or breakdowns to worry about either. When encountering a lake, pond, or stream, just fill up and start drinking.”
"The exclusive filter also incorporates proprietary absorbing media that are impregnated into the micro-porous filter for the IONIC absorption of pollutants into the filter such as aluminum, cadmium, chromium, copper, lead, mercury, and other dangerous heavy metals."

Eliminator - 1500 watts
http://mysolarbackup.com/eliminator.html
What I liked about this is portability and you can plug it into your car. The downside like all back up equipment, you can’t expect to run a lot of things for long periods of time without recharging. You have to factor in the recharge time. There’s a vid demo at the link above.

“The Eliminator is a backup power system that can supply up to 1500 W of household electricity and is an excellent alternative to a generator. It’s quiet and has no fumes, fuel or moving parts, making it safe for indoor use. This mobile workhorse can also be used outdoors, and operates a wide variety of electronics including communication devices, power tools, full-size appliances and more.”
Applications
Emergency power: operates essential appliances such as a fridge, cordless and cell phone, radio, fan, lamp, home security system, microwave, sump pump and more.
Work productivity: operates power tools such as a drill, belt sander, circular saw and more; powers communication devices such as a laptop, desktop and monitor, printer, fax machine and more.
Indoor and outdoor recreation: operates a TV, blender, video game console, portable cooler, coffee maker and more.

The Berkey filters are great. Inexpensive also.

The eliminator has a 12 volt 60 amp hour battery that may output 1500 watts, but not for long. Let's say the battery is good for a 50% draw down of energy, or 30 amp hours @ 12VDC. That is an energy draw down of 360 watt hours. If the system were 100% efficient (it is not), the battery would be discharged 50% in about 14 minutes if the output was 1500 watts. However if the energy output was significantly less, it could be a useful device. Especially if solar panels were added to recharge the battery.

[Kimberley]

Interesting thread that started in January of 2011 a thread that I have not seen or participated in until now....

I have been prepared since 2008. My last item a year ago was a Burkey water filter http://www.berkeywaterfilters.com/

I do not have an underground bunker or a gun :-) I do have plenty of caned goods and rice and beans on hand. I also have the luxury of being an 11 year member of a CSA (community service agriculture) harvest entity that is a mile and a half from my home. So I have an abundance or fresh organic produce in my life for 22 weeks a year, June through November.

I am so grateful for the abundance in my life in so many ways! And I know that I created this!

Much love to us all!!! :grouphug:

[Dawn]

I have done just about everything that is recommended. The nicest thing about completing this task a year ago is that I stopped thinking and worrying about it. I no longer worry about not being prepared or whether I will survive a disaster because I know I've done everything I could.

I'm very grateful for this thread though because there are some good ideas here.

Preparation Costs: One thing I will say is that I get most of my treasures second hand or on sale and therefore preparation has cost me very little. Some of my favorite disaster preparation treasures include
* deep cycle batteries being retired from use in a nearby cell phone tower (for our solar system)
* a lovely 1945 small generator in almost perfect condition
* some used solar panels and 2 used inverters that are part of our solar system plans
* 2 used electric bicycles that can be easily recharged and have carrying baskets attached to them. We recenly acquired a little aluminum folding trailer that attaches to these to carry additional gear.
*2 well loved pre 1970 vehicles in excellent running condition that are not subject to EMP issues because they do not use electronic systems
*used food-grade 55 gallon water drums that we've placed around our neighborhood along with a little hand pump to access the water
* a used backpacking water filter
*2 old microwave ovens that I use as faraday cages to store my small electronic items in

Critical Clothes: I just got a wonderful $39.00 polypropelene jacked from Wallmart (of all places) that does as much as my old $600.00 backpacking jacket. I have seen people nearly die for lack of this one important piece of clothing in unexpected weather changes.... a breathable waterproof jacket that I can easily move in is an absolute must.

Food:
*We've been dehydrating all the extra garden produce we grow for a few years now. Dehydrated food still has vitamins, enzymes, and micro-nutrients intact compared to canned food and can be snacked on just as it is as long as you have water to drink... or it can be re-hydrated.
*We've also stored chia seeds, quinoa, and teff.... high energy seeds that are gluten free.
*For oils we have coconut oil which has a very long shelf life
*Lots of powdered green drinks and powdered raw whole milk is in our larder as well

Clothes and shelter:
We have layered backpacking type clothes, sleeping bags, a tent, space blankets, and backpacks ready to go.

Altoid can Survival Kits: And for a serious instant emergency we made these kits for ourselves. If you google 'altoid can survival kits' you can see lots of examples. If something sudden happens we can always grab these. Here's a sample photo of one that someone created:

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSx7IRKm65diuIA2N-uihUSKxf_bMIU8iebjfDrCwjYMswTTL-2

Preparing to Run: We've timed a couple of practice runs to determine the route we would take in an emergency. Since we currently live on the central coast of California, these routes have involved how to get to higher ground FAST in case of a tsunami.

Barter: I've been saving my healthiest and most productive vegetables as seed producers for some time now. I have them carefully preserved in sealed bags with labels. I believe this will make for great barter material. It is amazing how many seeds one vegetable will make... and quite a few vegetable seeds will keep for many years if kept in sealed containers.

Downsizing: Currently we live in a very minimalistic way. My partner has taken apart the appliances we use and re-wired them to function on less electricity. This way we don't overload our little old trailer. For example, we cook on an electric hot plate that uses only 600 watts. This would be easy on our solar system if we needed to switch over.

[Dennis Leahy]

Barter: I've been saving my healthiest and most productive vegetables as seed producers for some time now. I have them carefully preserved in sealed bags with labels. I believe this will make for great barter material. It is amazing how many seeds one vegetable will make... and quite a few vegetable seeds will keep for many years if kept in sealed containers.
For anyone interested, here is a handbook for saving seeds (http://howtosaveseeds.com/store.php). I suspect most of us could learn something from this - I have it "open" to Seed Storage.

There are a few (a couple dozen?) organic seed companies left in the US that have not been bought-out by Monsanto. (I don't know about the rest of the world.) A package of organic seeds is approximately $3 now. I think this is probably one of the smartest items to stock up on - both for your family and for barter. (Maybe some of the seed suppliers will give deals on 2012 seeds too. Well stored seeds last many years. In fact, one seed company, Horizon Herbs, actually sells a type of corn ("Anasazi Sweet (http://www.horizonherbs.com/search.asp?mode=results)") that was found sealed in a pot in an Anasazi cave! )

What's your best guess as to how much a pack of organic seeds will be after the economic collapse? $20? $30?

Dennis

p.s. Here's the Anasazi Sweet:
http://www.horizonherbs.com/images/products/Anasazi_corn_ears.jpg

[Arrowwind]

p.s. Here's the Anasazi Sweet:
http://www.horizonherbs.com/images/products/Anasazi_corn_ears.jpg

I got to grow some Anasazi white beans once upon a time. They were first grown by a Univeristy after they were found, mine was second generation. I was too stupid at the time to assure that I kept some.. oh well.

I have about $100 worth of seed. It will make good trade item, and it can store, most of it, for a very long time... as the Anasazi seed proves. Keep it dry and cool. I store mine in a frige drawer in air proof zip locks or mason jars with tight lids.

Im also learning how to collect seed... getting pushed into that as I belong to a seed lending program in a public library. This year I have to return what I borrowed.

dont know how I turn on these italic lettering nor do I know how I manage to turn it off... it means nothing special

[John Hilton]

I was searching for an appropriate place to put this excellent video and picked this old thread because it mentions "prepping" and I'm on a Greek island:

The Secret Homestead of Survival with the Survivalist Gardener
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcGj157LGhA

On our island we are fairly isolated from the world but the island is large, has a decent infrastructure and (most of the time) a regular plane and ferry service from the mainland. Crete island is largely self-sufficient in food so we're unlikely to starve unless the sky is overcast for a long period. We have an established barter system and good neighbours who share whatever they have.

[Tyler Macmillan]

I just found a concept sketch of an EMP-resistant hard drive setup that I saved back in 2013. Could possibly help preserve data during a Carrington-level (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event) solar flare. I think I intended to post it on Avalon, but forgot about it. Looks like I was using earth shielding, and wanted something that was isolated, but still allowed it to be used daily. Not sure what it would cost to build with the fiber optic networking gear. Maybe this has been done already, or someone could improve upon it.

PDF attached below. Maybe there's a better forum location?

54180

[ThePythonicCow]

Looks like I was using earth shielding, and wanted something that was isolated, but still allowed it to be used daily. Not sure what it would cost to build with the fiber optic networking gear.
Fiber optic has become more affordable.

I have a pair of Multi-Mode Fiber Ethernet Media Converter's on my list of "future project" supplies, for $63.11, and some fiber cabling, with the matching connectors (there are several connector styles, pay attention to getting a compatible connections) for $19.36.

My plan is multi-fold:

isolate my main active system behind a run of fiber, for the data, and a single power line, carefully avoiding ground loops,
rotated backup spinning rust disk drives, as I have been doing already for a long time, so that I have close enough to current backup drives disconnected, located elsewhere, inside EMF protection bags, at all times, and
a backup small laptop that I know works, that is kept inside an EMF bag, with an external disk box that can be used with any of my backup drives.


My main system is behind a UPS and (once I replace one ten feet of the copper internet coax with fiber) sufficiently well insulated from two-way, coming and going, opportunities for electrical current flow that it will likely survive a smaller event. I see no serious need to run the fiber all the way outside ... just a ten foot fiber patch cable, with ordinary house power going to the media converter, back to my internet service providers copper, on the end of the patch cable furthest from my main computer. I just want to isolate my main computer where I can (the network line), so that only one run of copper (for power) remains connecting the world to my main computer. Adding dual battery UPS with switching capable of isolating a massive voltage spike would be more money than I am likely to spend.

My backup drives and laptop will take over for larger events.

Then when things really go south (literally ... I expect Texas to move from about 30 degrees north latitude to 60 degrees south latitude), if I'm still alive, I'll likely not be spending time on my computer anymore, but the EMF protected, offline laptop and backup drive might still work, powered by the currently disconnected and offline solar, controller, batteries and converters that I have.

[Tyler Macmillan]

ThePythonicCow- Cool, thx for the fiber gear pricing, that sounds similar to the plan I've been thinking about, especially with all this CME activity. We had a lightning strike years ago, and man was that a lesson. It found a ground through our copper network wiring, and cooked network ports of many devices in the house. Not sure how these CME-induced currents would act, but if people got shocked a couple feet from their telegraph gear back in 1859, it stands to reason that it could be similar.

I might DM you about the fiber adapter later after the first of the year, if needed and if you're cool with that.

And for my personal stuff, manual drive swapping is sufficient isolation. I like the idea of keeping most of my computing and amateur radio gear mobile and generator/solar/battery-ish. We moved this year to an agriculture property, and stayed in our camper for 5 months while renovating the house. It was a good longer-term experiment in power and computing, while I telecommuted for my medical informatics job.

If I make a VHF amateur radio data node that does store and forward messaging and employs solar/battery, I was thinking I might isolate/bury the drive, in case I had messages that still required hand delivery or delivery via HF.

Seems like my higher priority right now is getting soil/crops/water planned and started for this spring when the irrigation water turns on, and start marketing/trading in our valley. So much to learn. I'll stay on topic here and take that to other threads, but maybe that's another reason I was drawn back.

[Anchor]

I just found a concept sketch of an EMP-resistant hard drive setup that I saved back in 2013. Could possibly help preserve data during a Carrington-level (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event) solar flare. I think I intended to post it on Avalon, but forgot about it. Looks like I was using earth shielding, and wanted something that was isolated, but still allowed it to be used daily. Not sure what it would cost to build with the fiber optic networking gear. Maybe this has been done already, or someone could improve upon it.

PDF attached below. Maybe there's a better forum location?

54180

Nice work. Burying it all vastly simplifies some issues and makes the EMP protection very good, at the same time it rather complicates other things.

One criticism would be the charging cable itself which could function as an antenna and could act to bring the emp where it wasn't wanted.

[Tyler Macmillan]

One criticism would be the charging cable itself which could function as an antenna and could act to bring the emp where it wasn't wanted.

Yes, I appreciate that comment, it's a good point. I was also thinking yesterday about the contactors, not having enough gap. It might be possible to just leave the battery charging wire disconnected, at the bottom of the tube, attached to some cord. And have a sealed battery, and a very low power setup with a realtime clock board that would initiate start up, get a daily backup, then shutdown. Charge battery every other month, etc.

[ThePythonicCow]

Nice work. Burying it all vastly simplifies some issues and makes the EMP protection very good, at the same time it rather complicates other things.
I'm not sure burying stuff necessarily provides EMP protection in all cases.

If the EMP is strong enough to create substantial, albeit transient, voltage differences across the land, then, since the earth we stand on is neither a perfect conductor nor a perfect insulator, therefore there will be voltage drops in the earth the currents that were induced by those voltage differences flow.

Somewhere I read that when repairmen are working on downed high tension (voltage) lines that might still have power, they are taught to walk with short steps, lest they impose too large a voltage drop across their two more widely spread feet and harm or kill themselves.


One criticism would be the charging cable itself which could function as an antenna and could act to bring the emp where it wasn't wanted.
Yup - which is why I suggested powering the line-side network adapter directly from the mains, not from the more isolated portion of the system. Imagine a small "bubble" around one's critical but still powered equipment and minimize (ideally to zero, but at least to only one, never to two or more) the number of conductive cables piercing that bubble.

Even the hot and common (and ground -- perhaps best if not present) wires of the power cord from the mains that penetrates that bubble, if your system is not totally "off-grid", do present two paths. But at least those two paths are closely twisted together, so less likely to have unwanted voltage transients across them due to EMF fields from the surrounding environment.

That pair of hot and common wires still risk however having unwanted voltage transients across hot and common that come down the wires from the power grid. I can imagine adding a band pass filter (coils, resisters and capacitors, tuned to pass circa 50 or 60 Hz and reject outside that, placed on the power line that penetrates one's bubble, and placed outside the bubble. I'm sure that ChatGPT or such could tell me right away what components and what circuit I should use to construct a good band pass filter for that frequency range and the needed voltages and currents. Then with a bit of solder and home brew construction, I'd have added a pair of suspenders to backup my belt that keeps my pants up.

Then for extra credit (and increased risk that you made matters worse instead of better due to some unrealized mistake in all this) consider adding a high voltage transient protection device such as an avalanche or zener diode or varistor or thyristor. Off the shelf assemblies will claim to do this, but there's the risk that the author of the literature you're reading that describes such a device had more marketing skills than electrical design skills. I'd also contemplate using an arc-fault circuit interrupter (AFCI) ... they've improved since the National Electrical Code (NEC®), first required them on some circuits beginning in 1999 ... however these AFCI devices can fail over time, so test them periodically. I just had to replace one myself, last month.

In any case, I would try to keep what's "inside the bubble" as simple and low risk of design or implementation error as I could, and put the more complicated and sketchy (whether home brew or off the shelf) equipment outside the bubble ... and then allow no more than one electrically conductive cable (that contained at most one twisted pair) to penetrate into the bubble where your more valued equipment lay.

Also, inside the bubble, minimize wire lengths, unless you're gotten serious about building a Faraday cage, which is not easy to do at the higher frequencies. Hence, if one did construct or purchase a band pass filter and/or transient protection device, put it "just outside the imaginary bubble", so as to minimize the length of wire (aka "antenna") between such a filter or device, and the protected equipment, but not so close that any transients that might be emitted by such a device at the moment of activation are themselves a threat to your equipment ... this all gets to be a "black art" that earned the good radio emissions guys I worked with an extra bump in their salary.

[Bill Ryan]

There are quite a few threads I might have posted this on. :) It's about the potential 'empty shelves' situation that the US-vs-China tariffs might result in. (I wasn't convinced that it actually belonged on the main Liberation Day: US Tariffs on Everyone (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?129480-Liberation-Day-US-Tariffs-on-Everyone) thread. It's entirely possible that none of this may happen.)

I do NOT know if the situation is as serious as many claim. Articles and videos from even self-proclaimed economic 'experts' vary wildly in their analyses and predictions.

But prepping is all about considering worst-case scenarios, and taking sensible steps to protect oneself if it feels easy and reasonably inexpensive to do so. With that in mind, here's a new article from Mike Adams. Adams is often a little hysterical about his warnings, but the list he offers below may be useful for some to bear in mind.

https://naturalnews.com/2025-04-29-urgent-report-the-china-import-embargo.html

The China Import Embargo – What to Stockpile Now Before America Runs Out

The United States is sleepwalking into an economic and supply chain catastrophe. The exports out of China have ground to a near-halt, and U.S. ports are already running bare. Within the next 4-8 weeks, store shelves will ripple empty across America, awakening the “normies” to the extreme shortages that may last anywhere from a few months (minimum) to a few years (or forever, if Trump permanently blocks trade with China).

Like an approaching hurricane, this is a storm we can all see coming. The fallout will be catastrophic. Millions of everyday products Americans rely on will vanish from shelves almost overnight, triggering widespread shortages, price hyperinflation, panicked buying behavior and supply chain chaos.

At the Health Ranger Store, we’ve been warning about this for years. That’s why we’ve rejected Chinese-sourced ingredients in our supplements and food supplies, opting instead for safer alternatives from domestic U.S. producers and a select set of international countries like Canada, New Zealand, Taiwan and the UK. But a great many industries are fully dependent on Chinese manufacturing, meaning Americans remain dangerously unprepared.

They will be shocked when the store shelves are suddenly empty. Because most of them fail to prepare for supply chain collapse.

This report is your survival blueprint. Below is an exhaustive list of China-made products that will disappear in a trade stoppage. Stockpile these now while you still can.

CATEGORY 1: FOOD, AGRICULTURE & FOOD PROCESSING

China dominates food additives, vitamins, packaging materials, and agricultural chemicals in widespread use across U.S. agriculture and food production.

Critical Items to Stockpile:

Vitamin C and B-vitamin supplements (Most U.S. vitamins are made in China)
Canning supplies (lids, seals, jars – many come from China)
Dehydrated fruits, garlic powder, and lower-cost spices (China is the top global supplier)
Agricultural products, garden products, including natural pesticides
Fertilizers (ammonium phosphate, urea, potash – China dominates the market)
Livestock antibiotics and feed additives (many sourced from China)

Health Ranger Warning: If China shuts off food chemicals, American food production collapses within weeks, and the food shortages will be felt for years to come.

CATEGORY 2: ELECTRONICS, COMPUTING, & COMMUNICATIONS

China manufactures over 80% of the world’s electronics, including mission-critical components for internet, computing, and communications.

Critical Items to Stockpile:

Computer motherboards, RAM, processors (Intel/AMD chips assembled in China)
Hard drives, SSDs, and USB storage devices
Routers, modems, fiber optic cables (Huawei supplies global telecoms)
Smartphones, tablets, touchscreens (iPhone, Samsung, etc. – nearly all made in China)
Lithium batteries (for everything from laptops to solar power systems)
LED light bulbs, security cameras and smart home devices
Walkie-talkies, HAM radio components, and CB radios

Health Ranger Warning: If China halts exports, the internet could go dark one community at a time, and replacements may not be available for years.

CATEGORY 3: MEDICINES & PERSONAL CARE PRODUCTS

Over 80% of pharmaceutical ingredients come from China, including essential OTC drugs and antibiotics.

Critical Items to Stockpile:

Antibiotics (amoxicillin, azithromycin, ciprofloxacin)
Ibuprofen, acetaminophen, aspirin (most generics are made in China)
Hydrogen peroxide, rubbing alcohol, and medical gauze
Generic blood pressure and diabetes meds (China controls the supply chain)
Toothpaste, shampoo, razors, and disposable gloves
N95 masks and medical PPE (China was the #1 COVID-era supplier)

Health Ranger Warning: A China export cutoff equals a U.S. health care equipment collapse.

CATEGORY 4: HOME REPAIR, CONSTRUCTION, & PLUMBING

China dominates hardware, power tools, and building materials—essential for home repairs and survival shelters.

Critical Items to Stockpile:


PVC pipes, fittings, and irrigation tubing (most come from China)
Light fixtures, bulbs, and electrical wiring components
Nails, screws, bolts, and fasteners (Home Depot’s stock is heavily China-dependent)
Hand tools (wrenches, pliers, hammers – China makes the majority of tools)
Cordless power tools and battery packs (mostly made in China)
Silicone sealants, duct tape, resins, epoxies and adhesives
Solar panels and backup power equipment

Health Ranger Warning: If the supply chain fails, home repair work will become extremely difficult.

CATEGORY 5: AUTOMOTIVE, FARMING, & INDUSTRIAL SUPPLIES

China makes critical replacement parts for vehicles, farm equipment, and industry.

Critical Items to Stockpile:

Oil filters, air filters, brake pads, spark plugs
Tractor parts and implement parts for agriculture
Batteries for cars, trucks, and ATVs
Bearings, hydraulic hoses, and welding supplies
Generator parts and small engine components

Health Ranger Warning: Breakdowns could strand vehicles and strongly disrupt farming operations and transportation infrastructure.

CATEGORY 6: TEXTILES, CLOTHING, & OUTDOOR GEAR

China is the world’s top clothing manufacturer, meaning Americans will run out of apparel fast.

Critical Items to Stockpile:

Work boots, heavy winter coats, gloves, and socks
Backpacks, camping tents, and sleeping bags
Wool blankets, thermal underwear, and rain gear
Sewing supplies, thread, and heavy-duty zippers
Fishing gear (rods, reels, tackle, nets – mostly from China)

Health Ranger Warning: If China collapses textile exports, clothing prices will skyrocket.

[Merkaba360]

I wonder how many of those products could be ramped up in factories not based in China. In urgent situations, I'd imagine many factories could figure out how to ramp up production by 20% or whatever, especially simple items. I doubt every factory is constantly pumping out products as fast as humanly possible 24/7. They keep pace based on their sales. If sales go up , you speed things up or stay open overnight.

And if things were really dire, I'd think USA could build up manufacturing faster than the usual years it takes to get factories operational. Like using empty buildings instead of waiting to build a new factory. Gov't bypassing regulations or fast tracking them for emergency supplies. We might end up like China, where we learn to get a factory up and running in 1 week lol. Warp speed for everything not just vaccine manufacturing :)

What is this is part of the strategy to force us all to liv simpler lives with less access to unnecessary products. Someone did predict that we would look back at this era as being the golden age of manufacturing, cuz in the future there wouldn't be this much variety of goods. Not sure how that would be the case if 3D printing improves. Cuz there would be endless customization going on with 3D printing.