The Avalon server is overwhelmed - a request for support

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All:

I rarely do this! But this is an appeal to members for some financial assistance. Not much is needed - just a little.

The new material from 'Charles' has generated such a huge amount of public traffic that the Avalon server is overwhelmed - as many of you have discovered.

Our sincere apologies: we've been working to handle this, but it involved the stopgap measure of suspending new registrations, and restricting access to those threads - until we can upgrade the server.

You might be able to imagine the problem. Tens of thousands of visitors are getting jammed in the doorway.

The server upgrade can be almost instant if we can pay for it. It could happen today. In theory, I have the funds, but it might be an additional $300 per month from here on out.

If anyone would like to donate to this cause - and this is totally voluntary - I would very much appreciate it. I receive no income from this work - I live on occasional donations only - and all the mods are working their socks off 24/7 entirely because they're so committed.

If you'd like to help, and are in a position to, we are sincerely grateful.

The needed amount would only be 60 of you at $5 per month. It's the price of a couple of cups of coffee.

There's a PayPal button here (the easiest one to find!):

http://projectavalon.net/donation.html (http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/donation.html)

And if you're broke and penniless, it's not a problem - we love you here anyway. :)

With my best wishes to everyone, Bill

[bluestflame]

will see what i can rearrange at home will let you know

[Muzz]

HI Bill
Just donated thanks for all your hard work.

[Redtailhawk]

I'll put a tip in the hat once I make it to the bank a little later this morning. :)

Thanks for all you and your staff are doing!

[bluesky1]

Done........... and a very big thank you for all you do

Love X

[000]

Just sent a donation.

You and your team are doing excellent work, the importance of which is beyond words. Thank you :)

[Buchanan561]

I just donated 100.00 via pay pal. Keep up the good work even though you destroyed my post an hour ago. :sad::mod::dizzy:

[vericocha]

Donation made Bill. Your work is of the highest calibre.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Bill, have you any idea when we may be given any more information regarding the False flag next stage?

Regards, Rob

[DawgBone]

Done. Keep up the good work!

[Ami]

Thanks for everything Bill, thank you to the Mods too. I'll stop by my bank tomorrow (as it's around 10 pm here) and send my donation. I had wanted to send something before as I've been a fan of Avalon for some time now, I guess I needed to be reminded that no one is getting paid for any of the hard work here... happy to help!

[Adam1983]

Have gladly donated Bill,

keep up your truly inspirational work :)

[Chris411]

Hi Bill,

I just donated.
I understand that you really, really need this money otherwise you would not ask for it as you have never asked before. When I look around the Forum and see its growth in terms of quantity and quality I am sure this money will be well spent.
Thanks for your work, Bill.
God bless you and our Humanity in the difficult times that lie ahead.

Chris

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Just donated $50.00 from my hat.
Yes I'm a street entertainer at the Christchurch buskers festival. The rains stayed off and the aftershocks have eased and I'm doing great shows. Feeling good. Like really bloody good. I don't know what I'm feeling but I isn't looking back baby,,,,, This Charles guy is priceless. This Bill is a legend. These mods and most members are everything I have been searching for. I wish I was rich I'd donate more.

[history]

Thanks, Bill!

[Fred259]

Done.

Hello Bill,

I’ve been thinking.

Is Project Avalon going to grow? Answer, Yes.

Will you have problem with the server in the future? Answer, Maybe or Yes.

Why not have a “nurse medical thermometer” month by month donation chart on the forum.

In so doing we will all see “cash in the hat” for the server or anything else for that matter.

Grade the thermometer $25 - $50 - $100 etc and this will show when a top up is required.

It’s just a suggestion.


A sincere thank you for all your work, moderators included around the world.

[Deega]

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Dear All:

I rarely do this! But this is an appeal to members for some financial assistance. Not much is needed - just a little.

The new material from 'Charles' has generated such a huge amount of public traffic that the Avalon server is overwhelmed - as many of you have discovered.

Our sincere apologies: we've been working to handle this, but it involved the stopgap measure of suspending new registrations, and restricting access to those threads - until we can upgrade the server.

You might be able to imagine the problem. Tens of thousands of visitors are getting jammed in the doorway.

The server upgrade can be almost instant if we can pay for it. It could happen today. In theory, I have the funds, but it might be an additional $300 per month from here on out.

If anyone would like to donate to this cause - and this is totally voluntary - I would very much appreciate it. I receive no income from this work - I live on occasional donations only - and all the mods are working their socks off 24/7 entirely because they're so committed.

If you'd like to help, and are in a position to, we are sincerely grateful.

The needed amount would only be 60 of you at $5 per month. It's the price of a couple of cups of coffee.

There's a PayPal button here (the easiest one to find!):

http://projectavalon.net/donation.html (http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/donation.html)

And if you're broke and penniless, it's not a problem - we love you here anyway. :)

With my best wishes to everyone, Bill

Hi Bill,

Glad to be part of the Avalon Forum, glad to make a donation.

Done.

All my blessings.

Deega

[bashi]

Done.

Hello Bill,

I’ve been thinking.

Is Project Avalon going to grow? Answer, Yes.

Will you have problem with the server in the future? Answer, Maybe or Yes.

Why not have a “nurse medical thermometer” month by month chart on the forum.

In so doing we will all see “cash in the hat” for the server or anything else for that matter.

Grade the thermometer $25 - $50 - $100 etc and this will show when a top up is required.

It’s just a suggestion.


A sincere thank you for all your work, moderators included around the world.


done.
i think it's a very good idea - or a small monthly donation-pledge

[happyexpat]

Did what we could at the moment. Thank you for all you do.

Expand, expand, expand. A thousand times a thousand for both the giver and the receiver in love and in light. Not that my will be done, that thy will be done.

[write4change]

Dear Bill,

I am moved to make this offer which is not instant cash but may be continual cash. I know that you have the people to trust and research. In 1997, I bought the last big piece of property on Bouquet Canyon in Santa Clarita from Edward Muhl who was then 95 years old. He was the executive producer of To Kill a Mockingbird of Universal Studios. I tell you this because it is the first thing you can check; his name is in the credits. He told me that he bought the book and its rights at the instigation of Rock Hudson who wanted to star in it badly. Muhl told me he regretted betraying him but he was not right for the role of Atticus in the public's mind. Edward visited me many times after I bought the property because he loved it so much. He gave me his library that he and his wife collected over a lifetime over 5000 books and I had my own collection of about 5000. The loss of these are about the only "things" I grieve.

A year ago I found one of his books and all his books have library cards. I loaned it to a friend in Guam and just recently got it back. I believe it is out of print and expired copy right. I doubt that 500 were ever printed. I think it was self published. The guy died just a few years after it was published. As I understand it and what I see Barnes and Noble doing is you can go out and buy the copyright for less than 500 dollars and then have it reprinted. I have seen this done with other books on the net that are rare and selling from 35 to 60 dollars a copy. These are the things you have to check.

What is interesting to me is that I have absolutely no idea how out of all the books I retained this book. I have no knowledge of ever "seeing" it before I noticed it tuck in a dark part of one of my shelves a year or so ago. I read then for the first time. It is unique. It is thought provoking. It reflects almost 100 years from 1840 to 1940 of a couple of committed select white men who were allowed to live among the last of these peoples.

If it is possible for this site to make money this way--this is a manifestation from the universe. I want you to consider doing the following: buying and owning your own servers and placing them under the supervision of Brian O'Leary in Ecuador. To me there are lots of reasons for doing this that does not require a lot of thinking to come up with. If something catastrophic is a possibility where Brian is --- is most likely to survive. And finally if you start really getting successful and more things like this happen, you cannot trust either US or UK governments--look at Assange. This book was published in 1948. While I don't think it is an issue, I am quoting a few paragraphs as educational and under fair use.

This report deals with the discovery of an ancient and secret system of workable magic, which, if we can learn to use it as did the native magicians of Polynesia and North Africa, bids fair to change the world...provided the atom bomb does not make all further changes impossible.

As a young man I was a Baptist. I attended the Catholic Church often with a boyhood friend. Later on I studied Christian Science briefly, took a long look into Theosophy, and ended by making a survey of all religions whose literatures were available to me.

With this background, and having majored in Psychology at school, I arrived in Hawaii in 1917 and took a job teaching because the position would place me near the volcano, Kileauea. From the first I began to hear guarded references to native magicians, the kahunas, or "Keepers of the Secret."

My curiosity became aroused and I began to ask questions. To my surprise I found that questions were not welcomed. Behind the natives there seemed to lie a realm of secret and private activities which were no business of a curious outsider. Futhermore, I learned that the kahunas had been outlawed since early days when the Christian missionaries became the ruling element in the Islands, and that all activities of the kahunas and their clients were strictly sub rosa, at least as so far as a white man was concerned.

There were the accounts of healing through the use of magic, of magical killings of people guilty of hurting their fellows, and strangest of all to me, the use of magic to investigate the future of individuals, and if it was not good, change it for the better. This last practice had a Hawaiian name, but was described to me as the "Make luck business."

Considerable further on:

Over a year after the publication of my article in a journal (article called Recovering the Ancient Magic), there came a letter from a retired English journalist, His name was William Reginald Stewart, and what he had to say was very much to the point.

In my report, he had been greatly interested to find that I was describing the same magic that he, in his younger days, had found being used by a certain Berber tribe in the Atlas Mountains of North Africa. Also, to his surprise, he had found that the Hawaiian words used by the kahunas were the same, except for dialect differences, as those which had been used to describe magic in Africa. he had, after reading my book, hunted up his yellowed notes and compared words which he had been told belonged to a secret magical language. The Hawaiian word kahuna appeared as quahuna among the Berbers, and the Hawaiian term for woman kahuna was changed from kahuna wahini to quahini. The word for a god was nearly the same in both languages--akua and atua--as were a number of other words we checked.

As the Berber tribes spoke a language not at all related to the Polynesian dialects, the discovery of the similarity of magic and language used to describe rituals offered definite proof that the two people had either come form the same original stock or had been in contact with each other in ancient times.

Steward had heard tales of this Berber tribe and their magician while exploring for oil signs for a Dutch company, and corresponding for the Christian Science Monitor as a free lance writer and authority on North Africa. Taking a vacation, he hired guides and set out to th find the tribe. Eventually he did find it and met the magician, a woman. By dint of much persuasion he got himself adopted and made her blood son so that he could become eligible to receive training in the secret magic. The magician, whose name was Lucchi, had a daughter aged seventeen who was just beginning the teachings, so Stewart was allowed to join in.

Bill, I guarantee that Graham Hancock would love to get his hands on this material. LOL

I post this here to show my commitment to doing this and my sincerity of belief in its value. I have no idea what to do about following up in any way.

Today, I became a junior member quite a nice surprise. That is the good. The bad is I have not been able to sleep since reading about Road's tormented cow creatures on Wade's diary. I will have to work to exhaustion. LOL

Peace, Jai

[DawgBone]

Why not have a “nurse medical thermometer” month by month donation chart on the forum.

In so doing we will all see “cash in the hat” for the server or anything else for that matter.

This is an excellent idea!

Here's a site with a thermometer template and code: http://www.fundraiserinsight.org/thermometer/

[Taurean]

Done:clap2:

[sheddie]

Bill the button puts you through to paypal but only accepts a one off payment, I will happily pay a monthly donation but didn't know how to set it up. In the meantime I have sent a small payment, sorry it's not more.

Thank you all for all your hard work

x

[romina]

I am new to this forum (newly registered that is) but I'll be happy to donate so you can quickly fix this server issue and I can get back the ability to view all "Charles" threads.
:Clicking donate button:

[quench]

Will do within the next two days! :)

[Aurelius]

done

Regards

[conk]

Glad to help. Good luck.

[quench]

Will do within the next two days! :)

Actually, I best wait until I'm out of my unarranged overdraft :/ lol

[Kindling]

Donated $20.00. Wish it could have been more, but my family is struggling because of the bad economy. I love Bills idea of donating $5.00 per month. I wish there was a way to set that up as an automatic monthly payment thru PayPal. Please let me know if there is a way to do that and I'm just missing it. I would not hesitate to make that pledge :-).

[Shezbeth]

Mr. Ryan,

I find your suggestion/request to be entirely reasonable and marvelously apropos. The Avalon community has been supported and maintained by the ideas and and participation of it's members up until now, and for that it has received exponential growth both in members and guests. This, as I understand it, is the goal and purpose. As the forum and community evolves it makes perfect sense that the method of participation should likewise grow and evolve. I further find great quality in Fred259's suggestion (#15) to have a nurse thermometer or visible gauge by which the members can monitor the forum's financial needs both for maintaintance and expansion. Additionally I would participate in Sheddie's idea (#22) of monthly subscription should that be implemented.
If you'll pardon my candor, I work a menial industrial labor job - more details in my bio. For me, $5 represents a half an hour of work after taxes. It would significantly increase my satisfaction to realize and know that "this hour or even this day" of work is furthering the perpetuity of this forum, community, and movement - something which is neither in it's self a vocation or a charity.
To me this is an avocation,... a passion. I'm apologize that it is only amidst the recent topics and discussions that I finally decided to upend my posterior and participate.

A sidenote that only just occurred to me moments ago. Perhaps in lieu of quoting entire messages the formatting could allow numeric reference to the messages in question, as I have here and shall do from here on. This requires anyone who wishes to know what I'm referencing to look for themselves, instead of unnecesarily duplicating information. Also this encourages more interactive participation from the observer. I could wax, but I'm sure the observer understands what I'm driving at. Peace and good health!

[elysian]

Happy to help! Love this place :)

[buffski]

with many thanks x

[MargueriteBee]

Done. Hope this all adds up to enough!

[avid]

$50 sent to your most worthy cause Bill - your stoicism is admirable, and your professional approach without question. Thank you so much - we owe you so much over the years to really make us aware, and you've opened many questionable doors, they are now being pushed wide open by all of us. I am sending you the most positive of vibrations.

[Rocky_Shorz]

how can you not look up to a leader that asks for help and yet welcomes those who can't...

[Transdimensional Bean Pod]

Done!

Thank you for this wonderful resource, and all your hard work.

:happy:

[smig]

Money sent Bill.

I too commit to sending a monthly amount to keep the Avalon servers buzzing with this most important info.

Regards

Steve

[fifi]

Hi Bill,

I have just sent a one-time donation to help with the current issue of overwhelmed server. Would you please setup a link for monthly donation. Your work is very much appreciated. You and Kerry are my heroes.

[1159]

With the amount of traffic you get here serving an ad in the top banner would easily pay your fees. No it's not pretty, but neither is a slow server.

[Dennis Leahy]

With the amount of traffic you get here serving an ad in the top banner would easily pay your fees. No it's not pretty, but neither is a slow server.

Let's see how we do with donations, first. Advertising of any sort completely changes the 'feel' of a site.

I just tossed in $20. Not much, but if a bunch of people do it, it will add up.

Dennis

[Celine]

From what he told me..Bill is against all advertising..

[joedjemal]

Payday next Monday. If you have a subscription button by then I'll click it.

[veda]

I may have only have been accepted as a member 20 minutes ago, but I know how hard Bill has worked to enlighten others, his work over the last few years has played a major part in my awakening. 50 dollars in the tip jar. - Veda

[Heartsong]

Bill,
After a reasonable amount of time, do let us know if you've collected enough or need more. With a little bit time for planning, members might find a bit more to donate. I've sent what I could on short notice. Thanks for all you do.

[1159]

I completely agree that ads are ugly and intrusive. I run several sites and I use a really good company called Ethical Junction http://www.ethical-junction.org/ethicalads. Their policies and screening are excellent.
Part of the problem is that servers need regualr rental payments. In my experience, an occasional passing around with the hat is not likely to solve the problem long term. I also posted a short contribution about server improvements here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10531-Is-Avalon-under-attack&p=93061&viewfull=1#post93061

[astrid]

Hi Bill, please inform when u have a monthly button up, so i can donate on a regular basis.....

[viscountvlad]

Done what little I can today, hopeully more soon! Thanks for all your hard work

[Oldyella]

Hi Bill,
Just donated, keep fighting the good fight!!!!

[Snowbird]

I like the idea of a tip jar that Veda mentioned. :thumb:

I donated about a week ago and before that and before that. Because I use this forum for learning and knowing what is happening, I don't think twice about donating.

We need this forum!! :yes4:

[jamjar99]

Hi Bill,

Donation sent. Keep up the good work - you're a one off!

Best Wishes

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Against my principles and vowing to stay clear of forums, but after being told about this I simply had to login and give my 2pence worth. To be honest I'm flabberghasted that donations are being requested from members seeing as its because of this damn Charles business, why not ask the lad to put his hands in his pockets to fund a better server? Holy crap I can't believe what this forum has turned into, its a bit of a circus. That said, BYE.

[Celine]

how do you know he has not, dear barry??

[write4change]

Bill,

In thinking about how to get and maintain cash to keep control and protect your OWN server:

You do many things on this forum that I have thought about. I am not that great with tech of computers but I have watched groups and participated in groups that have gone up and down. I once belonged to a woman's group that got 60,000 members in one month. The most eviscerating site I have ever witnessed. LOL Crashed in six months. The other site I still watch as it is slowly dying is smirkingchimp which I found almost immediately when I first got on the net in 2002.

I have come to the conclusion that group sites do not work---they need an owner who is committed. Smirkingchimp once had millions of members and threads often had over a quarter million views in one day. It also showed how many people were on the site at one time which often averaged 20,000. That site now has about 500 who show up more or less regularly and it is like pulling hen's teeth to get 10,000 every 3 months to pay what is claimed are the sites bills. In the beginning, SC had a platform, if that is the right word, much like this and people really liked it. The owner also functioned on donations which people gave often and willingly. He formed a small cabal with the people he saw has his core donors etc and they had their behind the scenes discussions about his buying new servers and changing etc. To make a long story short, he changed everything without so much a by your leave or kiss my foot approach. He lost 50% of his people at once who never returned. The site began a long slow progression down and what was once the largest progressive political site in the world is now nothing significant.

OTOH, the political site I am contemplating leaving to join here has been up an equal amount of time. It has been through a lot and is fixing to change again--something I may not be able to handle tech wise but also over the years "change" is the one thing that is not happening politically--it is in your face--up yours--you have no place else you can go and nothing you can do about it. That site still has only about 250,000 members and as I have been studying it--is driven by the writing of less than 50 people. This is one of the reasons for the change; it is now possible for a small group to capture and control the essence of daily discussion. I don't think that is possible on this kind of platform. But this site employs and pays a living wage to about six or eight people and has made the owner a millionaire. Also we see the more successful he has become the more he has been blocked by the MSM. Once he started growing he began to purchase and own his servers first. Found a good out of work IT guy--whose house was burned down--and people donated to help him move his family to who knows where in the boonies. But they are closely bonded and work well together. Because he gets a lot of views over a million a week, he does have a substantial ad program.

He developed a way for ads to go up for the general public who lurk and to have clean screens from ads from subscribers. He has at least 20,000 subscribers at 5.00 a month which gives him at least an annual income of 1.2 million. The other thing he has done right--is that he has been upfront and transparent about every step he has taken and why. There are things I don't always agree with but I maintain my respect for him because of this. In effect, he recognizes that he owns the site but he serves the community. I believe the minute he thinks he does not serve--he is done.

I have thought about developing a site myself but I do have the tech to do it; so my place is to share my observations. The way this site works you can give to your 5.00 a month subscribers the designation Guardians of Avalon and so they would be. And we need to go there to grow this site in the right way, in the right time, for the right reasons. I do not see why this could not go under the other designations like Avalon junior member.

The other thing I would do that I have seen no other site do and have no idea the tech ramifications of. Is developing a core curriculum. I really have no idea what that would be here. And that would be a good topic for community discussion. But what I have in mind for my site if I ever did have one is I would have ten documentary films like Century of the Self, ten books that appear to be basic and ten of the best interviews people consider you have produced for information. This gives those who are that interested a deeper frame of reference and will produce in site leaders who will drive discussion deeper and more specifically. I have no idea how you could set up a curriculum tab and how you could have a box checked or confirmed when a person had done each one. These people could then have another line under their handle and they would be one of the Sages of Avalon.

This would probably be a controversial issue because we as a society are so divided about education. On the one hand, we complain about dumbing down and on the other hand we find it difficult to give more weight to the opinions of people who have worked to form more knowing positions. What seems fair to me is that everyone would have equal opportunity to do as much or as little as they want. If things did break apart like Mad Maxx, we could no better serve than to carry with us a shared knowledge that would drive reconnection like the Postman.

I hope I am not out of line writing this here. I know nowhere else to put it and to me this is an extended part of the current problem--preparing for a future. If I am out of line, I apologize for not understanding the working of this site yet.

[Chuck]

a pleasure

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Glad the servers have been fixed and all is looking good. O.K. back to business.

[Anchor]

Donated $20.00. Wish it could have been more, but my family is struggling because of the bad economy. I love Bills idea of donating $5.00 per month. I wish there was a way to set that up as an automatic monthly payment thru PayPal. Please let me know if there is a way to do that and I'm just missing it. I would not hesitate to make that pledge :-).

I concur.

In the meantime some money is on the way.

[Anchor]

Against my principles and vowing to stay clear of forums, but after being told about this I simply had to login and give my 2pence worth. To be honest I'm flabberghasted that donations are being requested from members seeing as its because of this damn Charles business, why not ask the lad to put his hands in his pockets to fund a better server? Holy crap I can't believe what this forum has turned into, its a bit of a circus. That said, BYE.

If I were Bill I would not ask Charles.

Why create something that could be perceived as a conflict of interest ?

Money is the tool of those that seek to control.

Those of us who have it to donate in this manner will do so and bridge over this flaw in the old paradigm which unfortunately still exists for the time being - at least we don't try to control.

[write4change]

I would not make any tiered membership based on money alone. That is the very paradigm we are trying to break. Even someone like me who has only 200 a month in discretionary spending for food, medicine, car gas, etc. can find 5.00 to support what I am committed to. My widow's mite should be equal to Bill Gates donation. He can give his 5.00 like everyone else and he is free to give millions more but they should not be the force that guards the survival of the site. That is how you get captured like NPR for example and cease to be a real Frontline.

[Bill Ryan]

Against my principles and vowing to stay clear of forums, but after being told about this I simply had to login and give my 2pence worth. To be honest I'm flabberghasted that donations are being requested from members seeing as its because of this damn Charles business, why not ask the lad to put his hands in his pockets to fund a better server? Holy crap I can't believe what this forum has turned into, its a bit of a circus. That said, BYE.

Dear Barry,

What has happened is that you (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3522-Spirit-wolf) (and Eva, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3647-The-Bodhgaya-Event-Eva-Zemanova-s-detailed-personal-experience) and Wade Frazier, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet) and one or two other significant voices) are now on a much larger stage talking an audience which is now more than twice the size. They are reading everything. Including all your material.

Everyone wins.

This is not a competition! What we want is a large 'information supermarket', with everything freely available, in which the visitors can choose what they want to go and find for themselves.

But the doors need to be wide open 24/7.... which is what they are now, with the help of the exceptional generosity of many.

Folks, my heartfelt thanks to you all for your immediate responses. After just 24 hours we now have 60% of the hosting costs for the whole of 2011.

The new dedicated server is now lightning fast, and non-member visitors have read-only access to almost every part of the forum. It's exactly what was urgently needed as Avalon (and everyone on board) sails sedately off into the sunset.

With all my best wishes, Bill

[Bill Ryan]

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The good ship Avalon sailing sedately off into the sunset....

:)


http://projectavalon.net/rafting_sm.jpg

[greybeard]

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The good ship Avalon sailing sedately off into the sunset....

:)


http://projectavalon.net/rafting_sm.jpg

Yeah!!!! thats me at the back.
Scorpios love water.
Chris

[Chuck]

lol! Notice Chris you are the only one paddling...

[Anchor]

Na thats pretend, he just goes with the flow...

[the voice]

as a person whose trapped in the benefit system in the UK not of my own choosing but ill health, i scrape an existence at the moment. Even i will make a donation for the great work that's done here, with the hours of information iv found and fun iv had finding it. As for the post about Charles putting some money up for the server, that's like asking a priest to babysit your children not a good idea at all. Sorry Charles no offense meant im sure you know what i mean.

[greybeard]

Na thats pretend, he just goes with the flow...

Who me!!!!
I thought I was steering, rapids ahead, at least I got a life jacket and helmet.

Rapids --- sissy stuff --- try racing a 505 in a force 6, kiss the beach stuff.

Humor and love that is all thats needed.

Even rivers with rocks and rapids eventually make it to the Ocean.

We are all coming home eve nt u ally

SEA

SEE

Chris

[Andrew]

New server is much better! instant loading now. Thanks to all that made this happen. Sorry I couldn't donate I'm broke :o much appreciated.

[DawgBone]

http://www.clairvaux.org/images/Avalon/sailplane.tiff

The new Avalon server!

[Agape]

Dear Barry,

What has happened is that you (and Eva, and Wade Frazier, and one or two other significant voices) are now on a much larger stage talking an audience which is now more than twice the size. They are reading everything. Including all your material.

Everyone wins.



Dear Bill,

my heart core thanks for the note and I'm equally happy to see the Project growing ...:pray:


though, it may give more work for the Ad/Mod team in future to save some of the quality of the forum, as it was ..
I can see new people coming and old going and that's only right, we can't all be on stage or conferencing 24/7 ( who would do all the other work ..?),
some come for lecture or two, some for longer time, some make it their everyday entertainment ( to do with truth seeking which is probably better than doing nothing for yourself..sorry folks ).

I have no money issues here and wish everyone had enough for their own needs and to work on projects such as this together .


I understand what you mean ...approximately...but wish that there's been common respect and even an attempt for communication between you and Barry and me ,
other than few repeated comments whose content we both know , in my thread ..

Barry is working in this field for few good fridays, as they say here, some 40 years ..he's been pack and parcel of military projects, and has significant collection of data in general, and also knowledge of the problematics.

Last few years, since I'm around ..he was in medical retirement and there are times and events that bring us to the edge of what's possible to handle or not.
I don't expect 99, 9 % of your members to be able to understand it straight away,

they need to familiarize themselves with lots and lots of information first ..

But I would expect YOU to be able to understand , as a colleague researcher ..and offer us hand in these difficult times.


I hope you've noticed Barry was trying to say bye on Sunday, in his sub-board . I know this is hard to capture situation and this is not the First time it occurred ,
he's been experimented upon, traumatized during his life , not once , with every next event and age prograding the chances for recovery are less safe. I know and hope he will recover .
But imagine the situation...as if someone did s'thing to you and you came here one day and said ..

''sorry folks, but the Bill who I was yesterday, this forum, this project, you all...'' is totally new to me ..
I have an amnesia of who I was.'' Watch for their possible reaction...

Those without medical education would think this is a tragedy, don't you think so.


Now, see , how am I ready or happy to deal with such occurences 'sent to me' by some clandestine factions of your so very humane society ,

I'm not. Without Barrys expertize and help I'd be judged by you in eye of one of thousands which is not exactly the case.

Without knowing each other too close I often retreat to silence and telepathy.

But there, the 'humanitarian' work usually, does not get done.


Besides this all.........


PM will follow.


Thanks again and thumbs up



Agape:grouphug:

[bashi]

Against my principles and vowing to stay clear of forums, but after being told about this I simply had to login and give my 2pence worth. To be honest I'm flabberghasted that donations are being requested from members seeing as its because of this damn Charles business, why not ask the lad to put his hands in his pockets to fund a better server? Holy crap I can't believe what this forum has turned into, its a bit of a circus. That said, BYE.

Barry, i can understand you, as at first i had the same thought.
But my POV now is this:
We have set sail to change something in a BIG way, aren’t you also?
Then, how on Earth, can we get far if we have to rely on some tiny handouts for a small upgrade?
For something that small which can be achieved (and has) in the blink of an eye?
Is your personal will for sacrifice stopping at this small contribution?
What the 33 are doing at this stage is of no interest for me, that’s their own cup, but here right now, that was our call.
In no way I will give them a chance to say: “Look at these petty beings: Their drive to change the world has been stopped by the value of a few cups of coffee!”
If Their call comes and They stop short of it, then I want to be in position to say:


“Blame on you !”
.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I appreciate the good exchange of ideas, information and assortment of personalities this site offers. I'm retired and live on a small social security pension, but will gladly give up a few movie rentals for the improvement.

[Nenuphar]

Sorry about the delay, I wasn't aware of this thread (or the donation request) until today. :unsure:

I've added what I can the pot, and wish I could do more! :tea:

[seismorg]

The good ship Avalon sailing sedately off into the sunset....

I’ve been associated with Avalon for many years, posting to Bill and Kerry long before the forum even started.
When it became a paid for thing I refused to join, after the subscription was done away with I was welcomed back free of charge, , nice!
Sadly, I feel, or now realise I was duped yet again. Dick head me!

Mod’s, [You know who you are] know or at least should know, why I have left.

The following message was sent to you via the Project Avalon Community Forum Contact Us form by seismorg ( mailto ~ ~ [one born every day] < my words > )

We restructured membership recently, and it might have knocked you down. We had to add another membership level for recent changes.

Obtuseness, duplicity, censorship,, no level playing field to be found here.
The number for becoming senior ( I was already ) was about 30 posts .. we are bumping it up, as more people are posting.
Your read permissions would not change.
Feel free to PM if there would be any problem!
(that includes over-edited posts too!)

Good luck to you all. May your god or lizards go with you.
This rat is leaving while there is still a chance to make for dry land.
I’ll leave my ball here, would not want to spoil your game. The corking needs replaced.

[Bill Ryan]

This rat is leaving while there is still a chance to make for dry land.

Unsubscribed as per your request.

[Janos]

Went through the Paypal process, and got a message on the screen from info@groundcrew.ch that said: "Thank you for your donation to Project Avalon. We very much appreciate your support."

However, nothing has been deducted from the card as of yet, and it's usually pretty instant. I've used this card for many things online and have never had a problem.

I then noticed at the bottom of my card (Visa Debit Gift Card) it said VALID ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES

Well... that could be the issue. Maybe since it's a 'Swiss' Paypal account. But then, that's ridiculous. Paypal should be Paypal, but stranger things have happened.

I don't have, nor do I use, a bank account nor regular credit cards. Haven't for years. (Nor have I used my Paypal in eons, and they require a regular credit card, or a bank account or 'MoneyPak' to add funds.)

So, if it does not go through, apologies for the delay, as it will be a few days until I can get into town and get a 'MoneyPak' to add funds to the Paypal account. But one way or another, it shall be coming, though a mere pittance it may be. You have my word on that.

[sepia]

The good ship Avalon sailing sedately off into the sunset....

I’ve been associated with Avalon for many years, posting to Bill and Kerry long before the forum even started.
When it became a paid for thing I refused to join, after the subscription was done away with I was welcomed back free of charge, , nice!
Sadly, I feel, or now realise I was duped yet again. Dick head me!

Mod’s, [You know who you are] know or at least should know, why I have left.

The following message was sent to you via the Project Avalon Community Forum Contact Us form by seismorg ( mailto ~ ~ [one born every day] < my words > )

We restructured membership recently, and it might have knocked you down. We had to add another membership level for recent changes.

Obtuseness, duplicity, censorship,, no level playing field to be found here.
The number for becoming senior ( I was already ) was about 30 posts .. we are bumping it up, as more people are posting.
Your read permissions would not change.
Feel free to PM if there would be any problem!
(that includes over-edited posts too!)

Good luck to you all. May your god or lizards go with you.
This rat is leaving while there is still a chance to make for dry land.
I’ll leave my ball here, would not want to spoil your game. The corking needs replaced.


I don't really understand everything of seismorg's post, but this sentence I understand:


When it became a paid for thing I refused to join

Good grief! - What logic is behind this kind of thinking?


Bill needs
> a computer, an internet connection
> a bed, a roof
> something to eat, and lots of coffee
> something to wear (not all his clothes are made of leather and last 100 years!)
> even maybe a dentist from time to time...

because his human body is flesh and bones.

Where does a person like seismorg think where the money for this comes from?

Advertisements? - Nope

An insurance? - The Government? - (which is actually the money from other working people.) - No.

From some sponsors who themselves make good money by working in well-paid Illuminati jobs? I'm sure Bill has no sponsors like this.

Those who want this kind of information should from time to time donate something so it is possible for him to continue.

Sepia

[greybeard]

I don't really understand everything of seismorg's post, but this sentence I understand:



Good grief! - What logic is behind this kind of thinking?


Bill needs
> a computer, an internet connection
> a bed, a roof
> something to eat, and lots of coffee
> something to wear (not all his clothes are made of leather and last 100 years!)
> even maybe a dentist from time to time...

because his human body is flesh and bones.

Where does a person like seismorg think where the money for this comes from?

Advertisement? - Nope

An insurance? - The Government? - (which is actually the money from other working people.) No.

From some sponsors who themselves make good money by working in well-paid Illuminati jobs? I'm sure Bill has no sponsors like this.

Those who want this kind of information should from time to time donate something so it is possible for him to continue.

Sepia

I really smile.
Im not in a position to contribute and there has always been the possibility to contribute here,

Bill through this forum has brought great joy, information. pleasure, to me and I am greatful to him.
I am very aware that there has been considerable cost to him.

Reason I laugh is that It cost healers an enormous amount of money to find they can do this then people are reluctant to even donate though many do.
Its seen as a gift. Do they go and work for nothing?
Similarly sharing spiritual information is the result of trips to India ill afforded, hundreds of books bought and lent to be not returned.
However it all goes round I have had so many blessings through sharing you would not believe it.

It takes all kinds as the saying goes.

We are very fortunate to have this forum, the birth pains I remember well.
Thank you Bill.
Chris

[9eagle9]

Bill needs
> a computer, an internet connection
> a bed, a roof
> something to eat, and lots of coffee
> something to wear (not all his clothes are made of leather and last 100 years!)
> even maybe a dentist from time to time...



As do we all.

Not unusual. These sorts of arguments about how and where we receive funding in spiritual and investigate communities have been a source of contention for decades. It springs from the view that people who are in Service to Others should not be allocated any funds or ask for them to serve others with regardless of the source. Stuck in that whole 'money is evil' mindset. Those same people who howl about funds marring the purity of the work, however, are supported in THEIR work , and aren't spinning support from thin air. Not realizing that if it were that easy none of us would bother putting our hat out for donations. This sort of naive assumption that God will send someone a check every month and pay for the printer cartridges. Because someone else is doing it for them. A woman attacks me all the time demanding to know why I accept funds for doing 'God's Work' and my reply is always "Unlike you I don't have a wealthy husband at home paying my light, heat, food, etc."

She doesn't get it. To her way of thinking she's different for working for free. But she's not. She's supported in what she does. Someone is funding her work.

But ..if you don't have it, you can't give it.... ....and ....The more you have the more you can give.

It's never really been about WHO is funding whom, its always been rather more a contention that someone is funding you at all: "If you were doing very pure well intentioned work God would just send you manna from heaven and pop in a couple cases of film too ;) "

[galilava]

Hi all supporters of Avalon!

Please have a look at my thread from yesterday

"Can we do something together"

where I am suggesting to RECOMMEND to all members

1 dollar/month VOLUNTARY contribution

payable on the last day of each month

Reason: a symbolic amount
with greater number of members
and better organization

pays Bill the bill :cool: for the server

This is our meeting room - we should try at least to pay the rent

[yaksuit]

Well said sepia! (post 74)

Increases in traffic and content = an increase in the need for administration, moderation and server capacity.
Thankfully the community that is Avalon has a willing team to make it happen.
Most content driven 24/7 websites require subscriptions and or advertising.
The only way that the current model can function is through donations. (include online raffles perhaps :))

cheers
yaksuit

[GoldenYears]

Yaksuit,
i think online raffle would be a great idea!!!!

[Bill Ryan]

Yaksuit,
i think online raffle would be a great idea!!!!

I joked with a friend this morning that the prize could be my hat.

We could generate thousands. :)

(And I'd get a new hat.)

[Icecold]

LOL. You'll have to come to Australia. We make good hats. ;)

On a more serious note, you may have to cap membership.

Worse case scenario is 2000+ members posting at once. :eek:

[aroundthetable]

I joked with a friend this morning that the prize could be my hat.

We could generate thousands. :)

(And I'd get a new hat.)

Now i'm not mareially inclined, but that hat sure would make a great conversation piece for my wall ;)

[yaksuit]

I joked with a friend this morning that the prize could be my hat.

We could generate thousands. :)

(And I'd get a new hat.)

Edward De Bono would laterally approve ;)

[ace]

Yes lets create the Avalon lotto!!!, drawn once a month, prize something like a good book (winners choice paid for out of proceedings) all the rest of the cash going to Avalon for the up keep of this movement. (server)

one dollar, or one euro, or one pound, that's 25p a week, that's 3p a day!!



Less is more, i see no reason why this could not bring in a guaranteed 300 per month for Avalon server.

count me in.
Only just noticed Bill is offering his hat up for auction, to the highest bidder by the end of February.

I will start the bidding at 10e :shocked:

kind regards
Ace

[9eagle9]

Raffles also allow those who aren't able to make cash or monetary donations an opportunity to give something of their-selves for raffle be it a good book, artwork, a mini seed vault-- whatever they have in creation or whatever their specialty may be.



Yes lets create the Avalon lotto!!!, drawn once a month, prize something like a good book (winners choice paid for out of proceedings) all the rest of the cash going to Avalon for the up keep of this movement. (server)

one dollar, or one euro, or one pound, that's 25p a week, that's 3p a day!!



Less is more, i see no reason why this could not bring in a guaranteed 300 per month for Avalon server.

count me in.

kind regards
Ace

[yaksuit]

Raffles also allow those who aren't able to make cash or monetary donations an opportunity to give something of their-selves for raffle be it a good book, artwork, a mini seed vault-- whatever they have in creation or whatever their specialty may be.

Thats exactly what I was intimating,
cheers 9eagle9

[Andrew]

Hi all supporters of Avalon!

Please have a look at my thread from yesterday

"Can we do something together"

Im sure Bill said the donations he got to upgrade server was enough for this years Rent, so why dont we worry about paying next years when it gets closer too next year?

where I am suggesting to RECOMMEND to all members

1 dollar/month VOLUNTARY contribution

payable on the last day of each month

Reason: a symbolic amount
with greater number of members
and better organization

pays Bill the bill :cool: for the server

This is our meeting room - we should try at least to pay the rent

I'm sure Bill said the donations he got to upgrade the server was enough for this years Rent, so why not worry about next years rent closer too next year?

[Janos]

I joked with a friend this morning that the prize could be my hat.

We could generate thousands. :)

(And I'd get a new hat.)

Oh if that hat could only talk. ;)

What kinds of things would it have to chat about from all the interviews it's been on, I wonder? :)

I've been on other sites in the distant past, which have had very good success with raffles. The tickets, are, say, $10 each. People buy as many or as few as they want, for a chance to win the item up for raffle. Could be monthly or every other month, and it's quite a bit of fun. Those who want to participate, do. Those who don't, don't, and no one feels 'obligated' to do so.

A very fine idea, that has all kinds of possibilities, methinks.

[ace]

I'm sure Bill said the donations he got to upgrade the server was enough for this years Rent, so why not worry about next years rent closer too next year?

maybe he would like to eat something befor next year? just a thought.

Kind regards

Ace

[gripreaper]

I joked with a friend this morning that the prize could be my hat. We could generate thousands. :) (And I'd get a new hat.)

Well, one day that hat could be enshrined as a symbol of the ego and it's lower self energies having been tamed and aligned with the divinity of souls, and an archetype for the new paradigm of ascended beings.

I'd enter a raffle for the hat!! I've also got a quart of shellac in my garage!:p

[DeMeeee]

Very happy to put in. I like the "Thermometer" idea, a nice visual.
And if I may add, with all the work you and Kerry do, you both need also to collect for yourselves too!
A little from many can go a long way.