Q Proofs

[John Hilton]

I followed the 'Q' posts and analyses from week one (Nov 2017) but the following analysis has just been pointed out and it's new to me. So I thought that I'd share it.

https://conspiracynomore.substack.com/p/qproofs-learn-our-comms

[Matthew]

That brings to mind a video by Probably Alexandra I watched last night. She talks about Q and its implicit framing of 𝑥/𝑦 polarity.

Her entry point into the subject is analysis of an official US PsyOp video which is shown at the start of her video, then she rises above the polar politics and deconstructs how they're getting in our heads.

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[mountain_jim]

I followed the 'Q' posts and analyses from week one (Nov 2017) but the following analysis has just been pointed out and it's new to me. So I thought that I'd share it.

https://conspiracynomore.substack.com/p/qproofs-learn-our-comms

That's an excellent summary/review of the early nature of and details that made it clear that the Q source was not just a LARP but was connected to the military in some way and to the Trump administration - which I and others often stated here but which many still deny to this day.

[Matthew]

mountain_jim that's a great summary of Q multiplied by Project Avalon, although just as I have misjudged the Q movement in the past by oversimplifying pro-Q reasoning (my stupidity, I'm learning), I think there is a bit more to the Q sceptic side than plain out denying. I don't take Q at face value. It's in the style of a LARP by design, so I argue it's not unfair to still characterise it as a LARP at some level. The actual state involvement sits along side typical internet truther journalists etc peddling existing truth but rebranding as Q. Tracy Benz, I remember she was one? I'm spelling her name wrong. So the bulk of their hidden posting staff were people pretending to be something they weren't. Filling in the blur with something that I simply hope isn't something I can bring myself to do outside my religious beliefs.

And then what might conceivably be from actual official sources is still only them solving problems with deceit. Lies are their golden hammer. How can I hold onto this? Sweet in the mouth but bitter in the belly.

Then there's all this stuff from a DHS-insider (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57144-Doug-Hagmann-s-DHS-insider-update---IT-HAS-BEGUN.--&p=1410454&viewfull=1#post1410454) cross thread link.


Bump. 'Cause I keep remembering this quote:

(Rosebud interview, 2013)


...
RB: I don’t have a crystal ball, but I have seen various reports referencing unprecedented “drills” to take place in later March and April. I’ll mention this because I know a lot of people on the inside at DHS have seen this. A document called “Operation Thunderdome.” It’s maybe 50 or 60 pages, I’m not certain. It describes an economic collapse in the U.S., followed by an attack on the government by “a made-up patriotic group.” It combines gun owners, Constitutionalists, and even Christians into an enemy group that pulls off an attack in Washington.
But don’t fall into the trap of trying to pick the time of these events. Their plans are flexible, but their objectives are carved in stone.
DH: Sounds like a Reichstag type event - sometime.
...Source: Referenced pdf (http://projectavalon.net/Doug_Hagmann_DHS_Insider_Obamas_cyber_warriors_and_preparing_for_collapse_6_Feb_2013.pdf) from the opening Post, 20th March 2013 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57144-Doug-Hagmann-s-DHS-insider-update---IT-HAS-BEGUN.--&p=651233&viewfull=1#post651233)


But just as there's a lot to Q, also, on the plus side, there's a lot to Q; there are treasures there but I don't want to play the cryptic game. I've said before and it's still true: I love the Q movement. I have respect and admiration for the individuals inspired and transformed by all of this. Love the player, hate the game?

I'm not trying to say I know, I'm explaining how I don't know and inviting the reader to join my uncertainty, which is more powerful than certainty and 'hope in the bank' in my very humble opinion.

[Denise/Dizi]

Hi John,

Did you find the pages of Q threads that are here on PA from those times? I never read them.. I browsed a few pages and just didn't have the time to engage. Many fought, feelings were hurt, people left, felt attacked, did some attacking, and it caused a great deal of strife here on PA at the time.

I am sure it may still be on the site somewhere if you seek it out in the advanced search... It may show you who felt what, and why, as I doubt the topic would gain momentum now... It did really have a ton of contributions at the time however... You may find it interesting reading. And find some like minded individuals or interests on the forum as a result.

Just a suggestion! Welcome...

[John Hilton]

I read a few pages but I can't commit the time to read all. I followed ALL of the "Q" posts from the beginning as well as many interpretations. I'm not interested in people's feelings expressed before "Q" had written ALL of his posts. You need to look at the full picture.

There's clear proof of a very strong connection between "Q" and Trump (time deltas and photos) so that shouldn't be in question. What is in question, I think, is Trump's exact role. It seems to me that Trump is a true patriot who is working for the long-term benefit of America and probably the world. He began his presidency by visiting many heads of state and presumably obtaining their cooperation. However, I can't explain some of his individual actions such as pushing the "vaxxines".

I think that this year will be horrendous but that it will result in a move towards a much better society. Frankly. I'm happy to be on an island in the Mediterranean, although I'm uncomfortably close to the American navy base at Souda, which would be a prime target.

My intuition is that there's a strong alien involvement (ETs). It's been documented that they can, and have, disabled nuclear warheads so it may be that if nukes were launched, they would be neutralised. However, I don't believe ANY of the alien stories so far. Of course the disinformation is interspersed with some truth but I have no idea what the truth is.

[Ratszinger]

When retired and x service men and women that know aliens exist said publicly that thy would testify before congress under oath as to what they know and what they did and saw I felt then that aliens had been confirmed as real. Now however I have seen so many so called responsible and ethical people come in and testify to congress and flat out lie I must admit it is hard to take as real anymore. Even with the release of the Navy intel on the UAP issue and the hearings it rings of a smokescreen even then like they are trying to hide something still.

[John Hilton]

...I must admit it is hard to take as real anymore.

"Consider the vastness of space."

(It's real but [they] are using it as a distraction.)

[seekingtruth]

1913405768788816237

On a 5 year delta of Q post 3987 (https://qanon.pub/index2.html#3987)

54995

Seems.. notable.

[mountain_jim]

copying my post here today, but I generally stick to the main thread with any updates I might have, as these are not proofs for this thread but observations and speculations, that may become proofs later, in my view.


https://x.com/NewsTreason/status/1913556035161166004

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Dan just posted this on Truth Social. The image is found in this 2009 article. Note the article title (Playing the Trump Card) and then look at the 7-year delta tomorrow: "TRUMP card coming."

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[Ratszinger]

I certainly would NOT want to be one of those sentenced to Alcatraz can you imagine!? Just kill me now!

[John Hilton]

This is probably not the best place to post the following but it mentions Q, amongst other matters. I found it really interesting, although I wish that Americans wouldn't bring "God" into every discussion, as if they even know what "God" is.

Rants about Q, Epstein and the Nature of Reality Itself
https://badlands.substack.com/p/a-hypnotist-rants-about-q-epstein

[edina]

I think there's some merit in this part of his rambling (his words) (analysis-my word).


Before Trump and Q showed up, conspiracy topics were very safely marginalized to various corners of society from which they posed no threat to the cabal’s power. Indeed, they thought they had their endgame in the bag, hence why “they never thought she would lose”. The pre-Trump and Q days of the internet saw much less censorship because “truthers” posed significantly less of a threat than after Trump and Q arrived.

This tells you something VERY important…

It tells you that the Q drops and Trump presidency were the “missing ingredient” needed to transform the truth movement into something that poses a real threat to the mainstream.

Many people complain that “Q only revealed stuff other people already said”, and though that’s not factually accurate, that complaint misses the point entirely: prior to Q, there was NO unifying means for truthers to coordinate their “truthing” beyond their tiny little siloes, most of which have always been EASY for bad actors to thwart, hijack, etc.

Q changed the landscape…

Q did change the landscape,

... some are aware of it, others not.

It happened layers deep, within the field of consciousness, not necessarily observable at the surface level. Although, many people do see it at the surface level as well.

And I want to add, from my own experience, it wasn't just Q. It was relational. It was the synergy of Q and the millions of anons who participated in researching and learning the answers to the questions Q asked. I've mentioned this before, I call it the Q-Anon Phenom.

It was the synergy of energy that happened in the process of people's eyes (consciousness) interacting, gathering information, sharing information and seriously thinking about the questions raised that I feel changed the interior landscape of the human collective consciousness.

The Q posts were the catalyst, but everyone engaged, for and against, were the transformative energy.

Note Added: I just had this side-thought, keeping in mind clif's premise of "qualia" and "the ontology", so many people involved in the Q-Anon Phenom, expressed the increase in synchronicity they experienced during that time. Maybe, in addition to Q, it was Ontology, increasing human awareness?

Ontology could be described at Self-Organizing Consciousness (SOC).

What do you think?

[John Hilton]

Synchronicity, yes. I was ready for it.
It was Jordan Sather who alerted me to the first Q post. Until that time I'd been following the likes of Alex Jones (no longer). Here's Jordan's latest post.
https://jordansather.substack.com/p/russiagate-pedogate-and-panic-in

[Raskolnikov]

Hi John,

I was an admirer of the Q material as well, in that it used the Socratic method of asking questions which promoted independent thought and pushed the reader to further research. Correct me if I'm wrong here, it's been a while, but didn't Q laud William Barr as someone who was going to turn the tables and finally bring justice to the swamp? I vaguely remember Barr being heralded as a savior by Q, or is my alzheimer's just setting in early?

[John Hilton]

Hi John,

I was an admirer of the Q material as well, in that it used the Socratic method of asking questions which promoted independent thought and pushed the reader to further research. Correct me if I'm wrong here, it's been a while, but didn't Q laud William Barr as someone who was going to turn the tables and finally bring justice to the swamp? I vaguely remember Barr being heralded as a savior by Q, or is my alzheimer's just setting in early?

I can't say that I "admired" the Q posts but I followed them in real time and I followed several people who claimed to interpret them. Bear in mind that the Q posts were not only intended for good people. The Socratic questions were generally cryptic clues but many statements were false or at least misleading.

Barr was mentioned several times. For example:-

Post #4486 stated:
Was Bill Barr a member of the board?
What advantages might exist to incoming AG Barr re: member of external advisory board (CIA)?

The implication might be that Barr was totally trustworthy but I'm doubtful. Trump appointed many people who later appeared to work against him (e.g. "Trust Wray") and I don't know whether he simply tried to pick the best compromise or whether he picked them because he needed them to incriminate themselves and others to provide firm evidence for later trials.

Judging by recent events (Tulsi Gabbard) those trials now look certain to happen, but it might take some time before arrests occur.

In post #3387 dated July 19 2019 it was stated:-
Note past (2) years.
Note next (6) years.

So one might assume that 6 years on from that post, things might finally start to happen. That would be July 19, 2025. And when did Tulsi post the disclosure?
I'm teasing of course. It's probably just a coincidence.

[John Hilton]

Some of you might have come across Mike King previously. I confess that I hadn't heard of him until recently. Anyway, he has some interesting things to say and has written several booklets about conspiracies. One of them is read here:
https://rumble.com/v5d02d1-movie-mike-king-the-secret-plan-to-save-humanity.html

And Mike explains Israel:
https://rumble.com/v6z4um2-saving-israel-for-last.html

Transcript of "The Secret Plan to Save Humanity" by Mike King (attached)
The Protocols (attached)

[John Hilton]

Ten essays by Martin Geddes on Q - Second edition - is now PUBLIC DOMAIN and available as a PDF download. I'll attach it below if I can.

PDF: https://www.onq.martingeddes.com/

EPUB: https://files.catbox.moe/hjcjdx.epub

[John Hilton]

Why Q really did have to be this way? Attribution, persuasion, and the shape of Fifth-Generation Warfare
https://newsletter.martingeddes.com/p/why-q-really-did-have-to-be-this
Summary by Grok AI: “Why Q really did have to be this way”
by Martin Geddes (Jan 21, 2026)

One-sentence core message

The Q phenomenon was structurally forced to take exactly the form it did — anonymous, leaderless, distributed, ambiguous, non-persuasive, protocol-like — because any version that allowed stable attribution, centralised meaning, leadership, or conventional persuasion would have been rapidly destroyed by the lethal attribution/retaliation dynamics of fifth-generation warfare (5GW) in a high-risk, high-stakes information environment.

Core Structural Argument (in plain English)

1 Attribution is the kill switch
• In modern 5GW (information + psychological + institutional warfare), clearly attributing action/responsibility to any person, group, or institution creates immediate, asymmetric retaliation targets (legal, financial, reputational, physical, existential).
• Retaliation is fast, cheap, and deniable for incumbents; challengers pay full price.
→ Therefore: anything attributable dies quickly. Survival demands attribution failure at every layer.
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2 Persuasion is downstream of attribution
• You cannot stably persuade (or even stably reject/debunk) without a legible source/authority to weigh.
• No attribution → no stable ranking of claims → persuasion cannot bind belief or action.
→ Direct persuasion becomes impossible/useless as a weapon once attribution is blocked.
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3 Conventional responses collapse under these constraints
• Identity/leadership → instant decapitation target.
• Organisation/coordination → creates structure = targets.
• Exposure/naming → triggers lethal retaliation before it can propagate.
• Persuasion/fact-checking/counter-narrative → absorbed into manufactured pluralism (fake open debate); strengthens the surface it attacks.
• Silence → safe but achieves nothing (no signal, no pressure).
→ All obvious paths self-destruct → only non-personal, non-attributable forms survive.
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4 What survives: Protocol, not message
• Agency relocates from people → structure/constraint/pattern.
• Q is not an author, leader, or claim-set; it is a protocol — repeatable, deniable, incomplete signalling that:
• elicits institutional responses without ever resolving to a source.
• forces observable behaviour (suppression, alignment, silence, labelling) instead of argument.
• survives because it has no identity to kill, no centre to decapitate.
• Incompleteness/ambiguity is not a flaw — it is survival property (resolving meaning = creating targets).
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5 How meaning works in this regime
• Meaning cannot be centralised (no safe authority).
• Interpretation must be distributed to the edges (Anons/observers).
• Belief is optional — only orientation (noticing patterns of response) matters.
• Contradiction does not collapse the system — it stabilises it (no authority to enforce one reading).
• True signal = institutional behaviour under pressure, not content.
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6 Historical trace, not tidy narrative
• No final authoritative story can exist (would require attribution/authority).
• What remains: traces of constraint (suppression patterns, silence zones, alignment reflexes).
• Reconstruction only possible later, from distance, via post-hoc synthesis.
• The essay itself is one such artefact — not claiming truth, only showing why no other form could have survived.
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Bottom line (Geddes’ thesis in his own words)
Q is not mysterious, clever, or conspiratorial.
Its form is necessary consequence of the environment:
• Attribution = lethal → must fail.
• Persuasion requires attribution → cannot be primary weapon.
• Only non-personal, protocol-like agency survives at scale.
→ The phenomenon looks strange because no less strange form could endure.
•
Very long, dense, formal-systems-flavoured essay — reads like a software-design spec applied to information warfare. No politics, no endorsement of Q drops — purely structural/mechanical explanation of why the shape had to be exactly what it was.
Enjoy the read — it’s heavy, but the framework is genuinely elegant once it clicks.

[John Hilton]

Q as trading space, not truth space - Why truth alone cannot solve a 5GW survival problem
https://newsletter.martingeddes.com/p/q-as-trading-space-not-truth-space

[John Hilton]

I just came across this PDF by Martin Geddes. I haven't checked to see if it's in the Avalon library. (No time. I must sleep and then wake early to drive my wife to the airport.)

https://www.onq.martingeddes.com/_files/ugd/f9aeb3_1c09d88f29194a3b8fb980c18c7e77ac.pdf

[Chip]

Has anyone looked into the similarities between QAnon and the Jewish Bolshevik “Operation Trust”?
When they began taking over Russia, the Bolsheviks began spreading rumors that high-ranking Russian military officials were working to take down the Bolsheviks from the inside.

The rumors spread like wildfire, and pacified Russian patriots into “Trusting the Plan” while the Bolsheviks took over.

Sound Familiar?

[Samuel]

I heard Q is a team less than 10 people, maybe 9. six are human and three are Pleidians.

[John Hilton]

The Q team stated in post #60:-

"You can count the people who have the full picture on two hands.
Of those (less than 10 people) only three are non-military."

No mention of humans or aliens. In fact the only time that the alien question was even hinted at was when an anon asked "Are we alone?" To which the Q team replied in post #2222:

"No.
Highest classification.
Consider the vastness of space."