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Bruce G Charlton
18th March 2023, 17:20
Since the millenium, we have entered the era of domination by Sorath - who is consuming Ahriman, as Ahriman consumed Lucifer

These is a scheme of interpretation of the nature of evil; and it has general applicability. I'm not sure if this should be a new thread, but I can't work-out how to post a new thread; so I shall include it here because I believe it has special relevance to the NATO-Russia war in Ukraine.

I have derived and adapted a typology of evil from the work of Rudolf Steiner - the terms and many ideas are from Steiner, but there are also very significant differences.

My idea here is that the Ahrimanic impulse - which is evil in its cold, rational, systematic manifestation - has over the past couple of centuries consumed the more traditional Luciferic evil of short-termist personal lust, pleasure and torment. And the Ahrimanic type of evil is now being-consumed, in his turn, by Sorathic evil.



The archetypal Ahrimanic evil is epitomized by a manipulative bureaucrat who presides over a state or corporate PSYOPS/prison/death machine or System; while Luciferic evil would be characterized by proximate evil: for example those who personally beat, rape and torture helpless prisoners.

The final turning-point of the Ahrimanic consumption of Lucifer was when the partial Luciferic revival of the 1960s ('sex & drugs & rock-n-roll') was captured by the state bureaucracy - leading to a pervasive and intrusive system of monitoring and control for political correctness.

Modern leaders are primarily Ahrimanic - and often anonymous/ hidden/ personally-timid; while old-style leaders (e.g. mid twentieth century dictators) were often Luciferic gangsters and pirates who cultivated a reputation for recklessness and the personal enjoyment of inflicting cruelty and gratifying lusts. Luciferic evil now operates at a low-level in The System - among the mooks, minions and henchmen; while the ruling architects of evil have an Ahrimanic nature.

The Luciferic values were condensed and operationalised into systemic and materialist form; their spontaneity and pleasure were drained-away. 'Free Love' and open-ended promiscuity became compulsory sensitivity-training, and the threat of harrasment prosecutions. Spontaneity ("Turn-on, Tune-in, Drop-out") was incrementaly transformed into a world of proliferating committees, laws, guidelines and procedures; checklists, forms and feedback...



But from about 2000; there was a further move towards the purest, most absolutely negative form of evil - which could be named Sorathic (adapting this from Rudolf Steiner's identification of Sorath as the most extremely evil of beings).

Sorthic evil is neither about pleasure nor about control; it tends towards the purely destructive.

If Luciferic evil is motivated by short-termist pleasure; while Ahrimanic evil is motivated by God-denial, spiritual blindness and reductionism towards a meaningless world of mechanical procedures; then the Sorathic impulse is driven by negative impulses - primarily fear, resentment and hatred.

Sorathic evil will therefore tend to destroy both the lustful pleasures of Lucuferic evil, and the complex functional bureaucracies of Ahrimanic evil.



This is the Sorathic world we inhabit in 2020.

A world in which the Luciferic lusts of sex/ drugs and the rock-and-roll lifestyle are forbidden and punished; and also a world in which the global system is being disabled and destroyed - even as its Ahrimanic architects have successfully accomplished a silent global coup (i.e. early 2020, rationalized by Covid), and are trying to perfect it into the grandiose schemes of The Great Reset/ Agenda 2030.

In 2020 we observe all modern institutions, corporations and every kind of bureaucracy as rapidly declining in efficiency and effectiveness - under pressure from an ever-increasing culture of fear, victimology, entitlement and resentment.

Sorath divides Mankind into more-and-more, smaller-and-smaller, self-identified victim groups; each resentful-of and pitted-against each other. The aim is eventually for each person to feel alone, consumed by feelings of thwarted entitlement, and hatred of the world; and living in permanent fear of a whole world of other people, each of whom resents and hates the solo-victim just as he hates them.

And then - eventually - Sorath's intent is that everyone, without exception, should die in fear and despair.



Thus we see that Sorath takes Luciferic and Ahrimanic and pits the one against the other, to weaken and destroy both.

Whatever gives pleasure is thwarted. Whatever has been created, and is complex or functional, is reduced to chaos.



Chaos is indeed the key term.

Ultimately, 'Sorath' is driven by resentment directed against God and all of His works; and resentment of Man as a loving creating-being and all of his works. Sorath wants to reduce creation back to a primal state of chaos.

And then - when all else has been destroyed - to destroy himself as a act of spite against the God who created him.

Such is Sorath's fantasy.

My interpretation of the Ukraine war is that it represents a triumph of Sorathic-destructive evil, which is tending to destroy the worldwide Ahrimanic-bureaucratic evil which peaked in early 2020 - by stimulating the hatreds and sadism of an already-corrupt global leadership-class.

I have found this a useful way of thinking about recent and current trends, and offer it here as a possibility for consideration.

NOTE: I have cross-posted the above original from its original location, following an encouraging response; in hope that those of us interested will be able to explore further this vital question.

pabranno
18th March 2023, 19:58
Very thought provoking…

Paul D.
18th March 2023, 20:36
Hi Bruce , it's great to have an explanation of the different qualities of these forces & am looking forward to more to come .I'd like to post this pic. here if that's o.k. . It may be familiar to many already but worth repeating I think .It is of a sculpture depicting Ahriman by Rudolph Steiner & the image of Ahriman in the smoke on 9.11. I can't say for sure the photo of the smoke is genuine but if it is ....

Bruce G Charlton
18th March 2023, 21:33
Why Sorathic evil is, and must be, the End Stage (The example of Saruman)

Sorathic evil is the purest, most negative and destructive form of evil; as being the direction in which the world is going, here-and-now.

But, Sorathic evil may be hard to understand. We are used to explaining evil actions in terms of fulfilling personal desires - whether the 'Luciferic' desires of immediate gratification by lust or cruelty, or the longer-term 'Ahrimanic' desires of power and control.

It seems hard to imagine why 'mere destruction' would motivate someone when they might instead fulfil their desires?



Well, it does happen. Perhaps if we introspect honestly, we can recognise the Sorathic within ourselves, as at least a momentary impulse?

An example are those resentment-fuelled spite-fantasies directed against people that we hate, or even who merely annoy us in some way that gets under our skin. For instance; day-dreaming the wish that somebody we have come to regard as smug, entitled, arrogant, privileged - will suffer massive public humiliation, fatal illness, or agonizing violence. Or somebody who 'thinks they are beautiful' and you 'wish' they would suffer a disfiguring accident that would make them hideous. Or when the idea flashes into mind that maybe I should kill myself and leave an accusatory suicide note; so that he/she/they will suffer lifelong agonies of guilt ("That will show them!").

If you can recognise any or all of these scenarios, then that is an example of the Sorathic evil in you. What identifies them as Sorathic is that the primary satisfaction is in the misfortune of others, rather in gratification of oneself.

Indeed, someone in the grip of Sorathic evil might plot and scheme, expend time, money and resources - and maybe even take risks to his own health and safety - in order to inflict harm on others.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face is the proverbial expression of Sorathic evil - although this makes a paradoxical quip out of what is truly the worst kind of evil; and such mockery misses that this 'nose-cutting' is exactly the kind of thing that people will do, when in the grip of Sorath.



Saruman, in the Lord of the Rings, begins the story as in the grip of typically Ahrimanic evil. Saruman is a very 'modern' figure in the world of Middle Earth; an industrialist with a mind of 'metal and wheels', who even talks in slippery, euphemistic, manipulative management-speak. He works by surveillance (the palantir) and seeks control; even going to the trouble of creating the race of Uruk-Hai; a more obedient and loyal kind of orc-Man, who will stick to orders.

But evil is a downward path - unless there is repentance: and that path has a slippery slope.

Ahrimanic evil (while it lasts) retains some Good - insofar as order is better than chaos - and order requires virtues such as prudence, hard work, loyalty, obedience...

When Saruman is defeated, he has a chance for repentance; but rejects it. Stripped of power, he refuses to recognise any wrongdoing.

In particular (and this is amplified in the posthumously-published notes of Unfinished Tales) Saruman is spitefully-motivated against Gandalf. By the end of Lord of the Rings, Saruman has come to exemplify Sorathic evil - since he lives in order to hurt Gandalf; and - by proxy - the hobbits whom Gandalf loved and cared for; especially Frodo who bore and deliberately destroyed the One Ring that Saruman coveted.

The Scouring of the Shire is a representation of how the brief interlude of Ahrimanic evil administered by Lotho Sackville Baggins, gives way to a frenzy of destructive Sorathic evil when Saruman arrives.

At first under Lotho trees were felled to fuel furnaces; later under Saruman ('Sharkey') trees were felled because this would make the hobbits miserable. At first the rivers were carelessly polluted by the outflow of productive industrial processes, but later they were polluted because it would render them hideous...

Evil as a means to an end, as a by-product; was replaced as evil for its own sake.



In his final speech, Saruman reaches the end-point of Sorathic evil when he deliberately courts death by stabbing Frodo in front of the army of hobbits.

Having reached a point where he cannot destroy the Shire, Saruman tries to saddle the hobbits with a legacy of guilt and regret for having vengefully committed 'deicide' ('god-murder'; in that Saruman is a minor god; a maia or angel).

But Frodo is protected by his mithril mail, and pardons Saruman - thwarting even his intended indirect 'suicide by cop' and inflicting a further wound of obligation upon the wizard. Yet this act of mercy only increases Saruman's resentment.

The end-stage of Sorathic evil is despair, and the only perceived 'solution' is suicide.

Thus Saruman (semi-deliberately) goads Wormtongue into killing Saruman; and thus the wizard 'finally' achieves his own death by that means.



Looking at Saruman's descent into Sorathic evil, it is striking how very small, how petty the wizard has become compared with the proud, powerful, 'wise' administrator of the grandiose, world-dominating schemes of his Ahrimanic phase - just a few months earlier.

And indeed, Sorathic evil can only tend towards being small and petty, because it becomes less-and-less capable of the deferred gratification needed for making and sticking-with complex, long-term plans and manipulations.

From this we can see that evil cannot go straight to the Sorathic extremity - without rendering itself ineffectual. Luciferic and Ahrimanic evil are needed in the earlier stages to break-open the Good and allow Sorath in.



Thus, at a societal and individual level, we have seen Luciferic and Ahrimanic evils alternate; until they have created a situation of vulnerability where Sorathic destruction can take-over.

On the other hand, the descent from Ahrimanic into Sorathic evil may be very rapid indeed - some historical examples suggest that it may happen in just days, or even hours - so that great tyrants may die suicidally while wishing the like destruction on everybody and everything else ('after me the deluge' - as a desired outcome).

At the societal level, we reached the threshold of Sorathic evil ascendant (the creation and imposition of Black Lives Matter riots; urban looting, rape, murder - chaos; police and law made impotent and destroyedetc.)-- all this within only months of the triumph of Ahriman in early 2020...



In the West, we had the Luciferic promises of the 1960s - of a world of unrestrained hedonism and individualism; leading incrementally, decade by decade, to the Ahrimanic-bureaucratic global prison of 2020 with promises of a world of omni-surveillance and totalitarian-control of bodies and minds ("You will own nothing - and be happy!").

Yet, such was the triumph of evil and the feebleness of spiritual opposition in this atheist, materialist, leftist-corrupted world; that as the year reached its second half there was already evidence of merely,-destructive Sorathic frenzy. And this was not just officially funded, organised and defended; but publicly-advocated and approved by that same Establishment who had only-just been advocating and promising a global thought-prison world!

At a micro-level the brief "all in it together" communitarian monolithic international solidarity of March-May, devolved into the masked mutual hostility, informer-culture and race-hatred of the summer onwards.

This happened even though such a spread of chaos erodes the very basis and capability of the global coup and its carefully-constructed Ahrimanic System!



The Sorathic spirit can also be seen in the apparent-gratuitousness of using surveillance and control technologies and enforcement for crushing society, church, education, sports, theatres, music, cinema, museums, singing and dancing - and finally Christmas.

In a single year has been wrought a truly colossal destruction of Culture.

A genuinely Ahrimanic spirit would be subverting and using Culture to monitor, manipulate and control the population... Ahriman would exploit Culture to 'keep people happy' (in a bread and circuses fashion) while explicitly and covertly feeding them pro-System propaganda.

But the Sorathic spirit of resentment and spitefulness is ever-increasingly getting the upper hand, and engaging in dysfunctional destruction for its own sake. The Sorathic spirit is destroying the Ahrimanic apparatus in all its aspects - including exactly that bureaucratic, police and military functionality upon-which totalitarianism depends! Destroying, and not replacing.

And with the NATO war on Russia, Western Sorathic destruction continues to accelerate at astonishing speed. The System is actively destroying-itself. Deliberate inflation, the suicidal 'sanctions' programme (still increasing), disruption of transport. The massive self-subversion of the fake-environmentalism of 'climate change' which is breaking not just energy, but transport - and agriculture. The incrementally-increasing 'equality and inclusion' program ensures that inefficiency and incompetence synergize to amplify inefficiency and ineffectiveness towards a point of collapse in all large human institutions.

And so on...


Because the world is so advanced in evil; such a Sorathic destruction of The System is not any kind of liberation, but a progression of evil delivering the world into chaos: a world of end-stage Sarumans, pursuing personal, petty grudges spiraling downwards towards the finality of despair and suicide.

(And a despairing, or spitefully-motivated, suicide is - surely? - a choice for damnation.)

So, although the Luciferic, Ahrimanic and Sorathic types of evil fight each other, this conflict is not a negation - but the advance of evil; because evils don't cancel, they synergise. If The Ahrimanic System is destroyed by Sorathic evil, then we would be in an even worse spiritual situation than if The System remained.


If we want to resist Sorathic evil spiritually - in our-selves, and (only) then in our societies; such can only be achieved from a base in The Good.

Violet3
19th March 2023, 08:43
thanks for that overview Bruce, very lucid. :highfive:
This can all be a bit overwhelming however evil is not all powerful and much good is found everywhere and in my opinion the good pockets are expanding. Steiner also taught that there is a positive side to or role for evil in creation, which is to provoke resistance and help us turn from materialism to a more consciously spiritual path to human progress (or not, if we so choose).

Journeyman
19th March 2023, 11:22
Since the millenium, we have entered the era of domination by Sorath - who is consuming Ahriman, as Ahriman consumed Lucifer...

NOTE: I have cross-posted the above original from its original location, following an encouraging response; in hope that those of us interested will be able to explore further this vital question.

Hi Bruce,

Thank you for sharing this post, some very interesting ideas contained therein. I wonder if you've encountered the writings of Terry Boardman on Ahriman and Sorath?

I'll include a quote from Terry's 'The Four Counterforces in the Crisis of the Twenty First Century (http://threeman.org/?p=3040), but would encourage you and others to read it in full, it doesn't lend itself to dissection and an attempt on my part to precis it could leave essential details unmentioned. Suffice to say that he views Sorath and Ahriman as acting in concert, the former actively working at present to support the physical incaarnation (http://threeman.org/?p=2905) of the latter:


Today, in Sorath’s third intervention, in the 1973-2023 window centred on 1998, via the “Corona crisis” ‘he’ is preparing the way for the emergence (or coronation) of Ahriman, whose focus is on deceptive thoughts about the material world, about technology and money, as well as lies and deception regarding the scientific understanding of environmental issues, specifically, the nature and role of carbon. Those behind “global warming”, with their obsession about CO2, are seeking to get us all to fear and hate carbon, which is the very stuff of the human body and essential to all plant life. This gesture in itself would also seem to indicate the hand of Ahriman. The transformation of the macro-economy in the direction of AI, digital money, nano-biotech and robotics, all accompanied by a Transhumanist philosophy that seeks to change the very nature of human identity, in the manner enthusiastically propagated, for example, by Klaus Schwab, also points to Ahriman and what ‘he’ seeks to do through ‘his’ incarnation, which is to terminate both human notions of spiritual existence and human biological existence itself.

Terry has also written extensively about the Ukraine war (http://threeman.org/?p=3050) as well as a series of well researched articles about the conflict between the UK and Russia (http://threeman.org/?p=3076). I've previously posted those links in the very same thread here on Avalon where your post above first surfaced, so apologies if they're already familiar to you and others.

Pam
19th March 2023, 11:53
Thank you so much for bringing the Steiner concepts of evil together and using the the "Lord of the Rings" as a analogy. I often think of the world of Saruman, the waste lands, the ugliness and cruelty of it as of late. His minions doing the bidding of this, without asking any questions. The imagery of the film often comes to mind.

As there is absolutely no explaining through any form of warped logic what is happening. Even those who still utilize the full armor of cognitive dissonance cannot really explain any of these actions. Based on programming and lies, the majority seem so willing to tolerate the insanity of the "experts, authorities and unidentified insiders" and have given them the authority to create our reality. We all do this to varying degrees.

We have mistaken (many not all) what we believe to be right as the same as doing what is right. We have mistaken writing words on a computer as being enough.

Do you believe this earth experience has always been inverted or is it the Sorathic frequency that has inverted everything? Perhaps the inversion completes itself at the end of a cycle , epoch, era or yuga. Whatever one wants to call it, it is the approaching that end of this system of things.

The point that Violet3 brings up is very valid as well. Evil plays a role. It provokes a decision. I believe that is ultimately the point of what we are doing here, is making a decision. When we leave this experience what choice have we made. Are we going to buy into the divisiveness and hate or are going to choose neutrality which brings with it the opening of the heart to see and feel goodness? I suspect very strongly that is what this whole drama is about.

I was listening to a talk yesterday regarding the prophecies of the Quran. So many old prophecies that seem to predict what is occurring at this very time. How did anyone know what would happen? How does prophecy work? How did Rudolf Steiner know of these evils that would manifest? The only conclusion at this point that I can come to is that the story line was established a long time ago. That is why I am choosing to call the earth a construct. It seems it is a construct for this story to occur and possibly hundreds or thousands more.

I am infinitely curious and always told myself I will figure this out but the more I consider and look at things it seems the less I know. But what I do know is that we are being manipulated into something nobody wants. Even the weak minded minions that serve this agenda are as you say "cutting off their nose to spite their face". They are destroying the things they enjoy (if they can enjoy) as well. I am guessing they have been promised a golden ticket to the underground utopia where all will be good and safe. Good luck with that. A bunch of psychopaths who would sell their mother for a chance to gain a bit more for themselves. I would thoroughly enjoy being a fly on that wall.

ExomatrixTV
19th March 2023, 12:58
Part of the "Nature of Evil" being so successful is, that they need good people believing the lies (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122013-Whitewashed-Lies) & deceptions they push >>> so that good people will help their deceptive agenda unfold faster and more effective ... Good people using unlimited creative potential helping the scam continue & succeed. Often (hypnotized) good people are much better in deceiving other (potential) victims if they blindly trust & believe the spoon-fed unchallenged narratives (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) given to them.

When good people authentically FEEL GOOD thinking they are doing the "right thing" and "work from the hart" having "only good intentions" is far more persuasive, meanwhile not realizing how far the sophisticated (psychological) deception (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset) they are part of helped with their actions. And now the kicker: it is all based upon "free will".


I assume Evil loves it when good people police each-other to "fit in" the tunnel vision narratives (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) they injected!

"Nature of Evil" is per definition parasitical in nature. ... Evil may think that you have to "respect power"... "the more power the more respect I suppose to give" ... I certainly do not, because of a simple logic I created, and I quote myself:

"He or she that needs power of others, (needs to control others) ... makes a clear statement: ... that they do not have it ... if you know how to empower yourself first .., you do not need to have "power over others" anymore ... you resonate with like-minded spirits who know how to empower themselves too and some of them get inspired by you walking the talk ... doing similar things that empowers oneself and thus inspiring others to do the same! Real "empowered from within" sovereign individuals, taking full responsibility for their quality of thinking, are the opposite of parasites and (pathetic) wannabe control-freaks.

You and I and anyone else ... are always more than all thoughts you had, have, and going to have combined ... (let that sink in for a moment) ... To fixate on any tunnel vision narrative (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) is exactly what they want you/us to do ... That is how they control us all ... but only if we let them! ... Just because you think (assume) the majority will let them ... does not mean it is the case ... it is just a thought you give way too much power over your limited perceptions of the world ... That is why I say: "Outsmart Defeatism" ... Every day we are bombarded with limited "perceptions" serving pessimism or optimism, and both have flaws ...


Anyone who can talk can be "brilliant pessimistic" but that is not a sign of intelligence ... Being brilliant optimistic and back it up, using all your creative potential to do exactly that is the first sign of real intelligence ... even if you make (some) mistakes, you always can learn from it and move on!



When I see someone using his or her unlimited creative potential to be a "brilliant pessimist" >>> I remind that person that it is a choice! ... You can also choose to do the opposite and learn how to become good at it, then when you actually have results you not only will help yourselves but humanity as well ... Having a permanent "victim mentality" mostly leads to much more "poor me" victim reality ... Time to go beyond the conditioning >>> Free Your Mind!

In a quantum morphogenetic field (https://www.sheldrake.org/research/morphic-resonance/introduction), people can "tap into" the fear based collectivistic (https://johnshalom.com/individualism-vs-collectivism/) (hive mind) version of that field, by choice! ... The same goes for the opposite! ... and both sides can experience the "confirmation bias feedback loop".


So, what does that really mean?

˙plǝᴉɟ snoᴉɔsuoɔqns ǝʌᴉʇɔǝlloɔ ǝʌᴉssɐɯ ǝɥʇ ɟo uoᴉsɹǝʌ pɐq ʎllɐǝɹ ǝɥʇ oʇ uᴉ (pǝddɐɹʇ) pǝʞɔns ǝq uɐɔ s puᴉɯ s,ǝldoǝd ɟo suoᴉllᴉɯ suɐǝɯ ʇI

So, in short: we all are spiritually tested!

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cheers,
John Kuhles (https://whynotnews.eu) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
March 19th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

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Pam
19th March 2023, 14:42
Part of the "Nature of Evil" being so successful is, that they need good people believing the lies & deceptions they push >>> so that good people will help their deceptive agenda unfold faster and more effective ... Good people using unlimited creative potential helping the scam continue & succeed. Often (hypnotized) good people are much better in deceiving more (potential) victims if they blindly trust & believe the spoon-fed unchallenged narratives given to them.

When good people authentically FEEL GOOD thinking they are doing the "right thing" and "work from the hart" having "only good intentions" is far more persuasive, meanwhile not realizing how far the sophisticated (psychological) deception they are part of helped with their actions. And now the kicker: it is all based upon "free will".


I assume Evil loves it when good people police each-other to "fit in" the tunnel vision narratives they injected!

"Nature of Evil" is per definition parasitical in nature. ... Evil may think that you have to "respect power"... "the more power the more respect I suppose to give" ... I certainly do not, because of a simple logic I created, and I quote myself:

"He or she that needs power of others, (needs to control others) ... makes a clear statement: ... that they do not have it ... if you know how to empower yourself first .., you do not need to have "power over others" anymore ... you resonate with like-minded spirits who know how to empower themselves too and some of them get inspired by you walking the talk ... doing similar things that empowers oneself and thus inspiring others to do the same! Real "empowered from within" sovereign individuals, taking full responsibility for their quality of thinking, are the opposite of parasites and (pathetic) wannabe control-freaks.

You and I and anyone else ... are always more than all thoughts you had, have, and going to have combined ... (let that sink in for a moment) ... To fixate on any tunnel vision narrative is exactly what they want you/us to do ... That is how they control us all ... but only if we let them! ... Just because you think the majority will let them ... does not mean it is the case ... it is just a thought you give way too much power over your limited perceptions of the world ... That is why I say: "Outsmart Defeatism" ... Every day we are bombarded with limited "perceptions" serving pessimism or optimism, and both have flaws ...


Anyone that can talk can be "brilliant pessimistic" but that is not a sign of intelligence ... Being brilliant optimistic and back it up, using all your creative potential to do exactly that is the first sign of real intelligence ... even if you make (some) mistakes, you learn from it and move on!



When I see someone using his or her unlimited creative potential to be a "brilliant pessimist" >>> I remind that person that it is a choice! ... You can also choose to do the opposite and learn how to become good at it, then when you actually have results you not only will help yourselves but humanity as well ... Having a permanent "victim mentality" mostly leads to much more "poor me" victim reality ... Time to go beyond the conditioning >>> Free Your Mind!

In a quantum morphogenetic field (https://www.sheldrake.org/research/morphic-resonance/introduction), people can "tap into" the fear based collectivistic (https://johnshalom.com/individualism-vs-collectivism/) (hive mind) version of that field, by choice! ... The same goes for the opposite! ... and both sides can experience the "confirmation bias feedback loop".

So, what does that really mean?

˙plǝᴉɟ snoᴉɔsuoɔqns ǝʌᴉʇɔǝlloɔ ǝʌᴉssɐɯ ǝɥʇ ɟo uoᴉsɹǝʌ pɐq ʎllɐǝɹ ǝɥʇ oʇ uᴉ (pǝddɐɹʇ) pǝʞɔns ǝq uɐɔ s puᴉɯ s,ǝldoǝd ɟo suoᴉllᴉɯ suɐǝɯ ʇI

So, in short: we all are spiritually tested!

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/user/27474914.f5b631e7.160x160o.f6c78faaf102@2x.png (https://whynotnews.eu)

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://whynotnews.eu) aka 'ExomatrixTV' 2023 🦜🦋🌳


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100% related:

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Exo, Your level of understanding on so many different levels just blows my mind!! I really mean that.

Thank you for the reinforcement as to what field I want to tap into and frequency I want to be a part of. Everytime, I think I have some mastery , there is another challenge. I am so grateful to at least get what the basics of the challenge are here. It is going to be so tough for those totally grasping the materialistic ideal and believe that the reality of this drama are 100% organic in nature. To have the carpet pulled out from under your feet at that level, it is going to be very, very hard.

Ernie Nemeth
19th March 2023, 14:51
Everyone has their part to play. Not one can be removed from the act, not one more added.

We are all co-conspirators.

By the willful act of perception alone, we find ourselves here and in the part we play.

God is not at war, we are.

ExomatrixTV
19th March 2023, 15:05
Everyone has their part to play. Not one can be removed from the act, not one more added.

We are all co-conspirators.

By the willful act of perception alone, we find ourselves here and in the part we play.

God is not at war, we are.

In my view, the main reason we do not like to be deceived by those who are PROVEN to be deceived is that these so-called: gullible "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" are the reason why Evil can impose new insane unconstitutional laws (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118331-Global-WHO-Treaty-for-Pandemics-with-Digital-ID-and-Digital-Currency&p=1544816&viewfull=1#post1544816) and take away fundamental human rights successfully all to serve "the greater good" based upon (unchallenged) PROVABLE LIES & DECEPTIONS >>> blindly trusted & believed by gullible "good people".


Without this mechanism, Evil would have ZERO CHANCE!

Evil has a symbiotic (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/symbiotic) relationship with gullible "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" <<< and these so-called "good people" do not want to be challenged using all kinds of "guilt tactics" and "counter narratives" spoon-fed to them by among others totally corrupt "fact-checkers" sites. Who still are not held accountable for being provable wrong so many times ... meanwhile millions of people are wrongfully silenced, buried, flagged, shadowbanned, delisted, censored, losing their social media accounts etc. etc.


Truly understanding what "Self-Determination Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination)" are ... is knowing it is the exact opposite of what WEF minions (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) are doing worldwide with their Technocratic (https://technocracy.news) Tyrannical Dystopian "Global Governance (https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1Gb0000000LHN2EAO)" aka "Agenda2030 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset)" & "NetZero2050 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115447-Climate-Lockdowns-are-Coming--Agenda2030--Predicted-by-Conspiracy-Researchers-)" Having a conspiracy theory is not that different from having a crime theory ... so who exactly benefits if certain crime theories are not further investigated and systematically downplayed & marginalized?

* If a conspiracy is (partly) in the open does not make it any less criminal nor less harmful ...

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Ernie Nemeth
19th March 2023, 15:34
When I was young I conducted a survey. I asked, "Do you believe most people are 'good' or 'bad'?"

The overwhelming answer was that the vast majority are 'good'.

So since, I have been trying to understand why a world of mostly 'good' people live in such an evil world.

The best I've come up with is that few people are 'really' good and few people are 'really' bad.
The rest just do what they're told and keep their heads down and go with the flow.
That's how evil slips into our reality - mostly through apathy.

JackMcThorn
19th March 2023, 15:49
The best I've come up with is that few people are 'really' good and few people are 'really' bad. The rest just do what they're told and keep their heads down and go with the flow. That's how evil slips into our reality - mostly through apathy.


“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” It’s a quote routinely attributed to Edmund Burke. But it turns out falsely so. Apparently, he never uttered these words.

At best, the essence of the quote can be traced back to the utilitarian philosopher John Stuart Mill, who delivered an 1867 inaugural address at the University of St. Andrews and stated: “Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”

I think you are precisely correct Ernie.

Bruce G Charlton
19th March 2023, 16:24
thanks for that overview Bruce, very lucid. :highfive:
This can all be a bit overwhelming however evil is not all powerful and much good is found everywhere and in my opinion the good pockets are expanding. Steiner also taught that there is a positive side to or role for evil in creation, which is to provoke resistance and help us turn from materialism to a more consciously spiritual path to human progress (or not, if we so choose).

@Violet3 - Steiner regarded good (the Christ) as a medium between Lucifer and Ahriman; but I would disagree with that understanding. I see the good as positive - i.e. divine creation; and evil as the negation of that positive.

While I agree that good can come from resistance to evil; I regard the nature of evil as being that which opposes divine creation - in any of its manifestations (including the divine creative work that mortal humans sometimes do, as well as that participation in ongoing divine creation, which is the joy of post-mortal resurrected Men).

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Since the millenium, we have entered the era of domination by Sorath - who is consuming Ahriman, as Ahriman consumed Lucifer...

NOTE: I have cross-posted the above original from its original location, following an encouraging response; in hope that those of us interested will be able to explore further this vital question.

Hi Bruce,

Thank you for sharing this post, some very interesting ideas contained therein. I wonder if you've encountered the writings of Terry Boardman on Ahriman and Sorath?

I'll include a quote from Terry's 'The Four Counterforces in the Crisis of the Twenty First Century (http://threeman.org/?p=3040), but would encourage you and others to read it in full, it doesn't lend itself to dissection and an attempt on my part to precis it could leave essential details unmentioned. Suffice to say that he views Sorath and Ahriman as acting in concert, the former actively working at present to support the physical incaarnation (http://threeman.org/?p=2905) of the latter:


Today, in Sorath’s third intervention, in the 1973-2023 window centred on 1998, via the “Corona crisis” ‘he’ is preparing the way for the emergence (or coronation) of Ahriman, whose focus is on deceptive thoughts about the material world, about technology and money, as well as lies and deception regarding the scientific understanding of environmental issues, specifically, the nature and role of carbon. Those behind “global warming”, with their obsession about CO2, are seeking to get us all to fear and hate carbon, which is the very stuff of the human body and essential to all plant life. This gesture in itself would also seem to indicate the hand of Ahriman. The transformation of the macro-economy in the direction of AI, digital money, nano-biotech and robotics, all accompanied by a Transhumanist philosophy that seeks to change the very nature of human identity, in the manner enthusiastically propagated, for example, by Klaus Schwab, also points to Ahriman and what ‘he’ seeks to do through ‘his’ incarnation, which is to terminate both human notions of spiritual existence and human biological existence itself.

Terry has also written extensively about the Ukraine war (http://threeman.org/?p=3050) as well as a series of well researched articles about the conflict between the UK and Russia (http://threeman.org/?p=3076). I've previously posted those links in the very same thread here on Avalon where your post above first surfaced, so apologies if they're already familiar to you and others.

@Journeyman - I am a keen follower of Terry Boardman's work, and recently described him on my blog as the Greatest Living Englishman!

Bruce G Charlton
19th March 2023, 16:34
Thank you so much for bring the Steiner concepts of evil together and using the the "Lord of the Rings" as a analogy. I often think of the world of Saruman, the waste lands, the ugliness and cruelty of it as of late. His minions doing the bidding of this, without asking any questions. The imagery of the film often comes to mind.

As there is absolutely no explaining through any form of warped logic what is happening. Even those who still utilize the full armor of cognitive dissonance cannot really explain any of these actions. Based on programming and lies, the majority seem so willing to tolerate the insanity of the "experts, authorities and unidentified insiders" and have given them the authority to create our reality. We all do this to varying degrees.

We have mistaken (many not all) what we believe to be right as the same as doing what is right. We have mistaken writing words on a computer as being enough.

Do you believe this earth experience has always been inverted or is it the Sorathic frequency that has inverted everything? Perhaps the inversion completes itself at the end of a cycle , epoch, era or yuga. Whatever one wants to call it, it is the approaching that end of this system of things.

The point that Violet3 brings up is very valid as well. Evil plays a role. It provokes a decision. I believe that is ultimately the point of what we are doing here, is making a decision. When we leave this experience what choice have we made. Are we going to buy into the divisiveness and hate or are going to choose neutrality which brings with it the opening of the heart to see and feel goodness? I suspect very strongly that is what this whole drama is about.

I was listening to a talk yesterday regarding the prophecies of the Quran. So many old prophecies that seem to predict what is occurring at this very time. How did anyone know what would happen? How does prophecy work? How did Rudolf Steiner know of these evils that would manifest? The only conclusion at this point that I can come to is that the story line was established a long time ago. That is why I am choosing to call the earth a construct. It seems it is a construct for this story to occur and possibly hundreds or thousands more.

I am infinitely curious and always told myself I will figure this out but the more I consider and look at things it seems the less I know. But what I do know is that we are being manipulated into something nobody wants. Even the weak minded minions that serve this agenda are as you say "cutting off their nose to spite their face". They are destroying the things they enjoy (if they can enjoy) as well. I am guessing they have been promised a golden ticket to the underground utopia where all will be good and safe. Good luck with that. A bunch of psychopaths who would sell their mother for a chance to gain a bit more for themselves. I would thoroughly enjoy being a fly on that wall.

@Pam "Do you believe this earth experience has always been inverted or is it the Sorathic frequency that has inverted everything? Perhaps the inversion completes itself at the end of a cycle , epoch, era or yuga. Whatever one wants to call it, it is the approaching that end of this system of things."

I believe something more like your second alternative: that these are the End Times in some real sense, the beginning of the end (whatever that 'end' may turn-out to mean). I don't think that there has ever in history been this kind of value-inversion in so many (and increasing) areas; imposed top-down and by accumulating laws, regulations, propaganda and accepted very fully and with very little resistance (I mean inner resistance, which is what matters).

palehorse
19th March 2023, 17:05
...
The best I've come up with is that few people are 'really' good and few people are 'really' bad.
The rest just do what they're told and keep their heads down and go with the flow.
That's how evil slips into our reality - mostly through apathy.


a shock will release them from the catatonic state they are living. It may come in many different ways, planting seeds take time which we never had, the most efficient way is creating a shock/trauma. Gurdjieff approach.

show them a coherent principle, for example the diversity of the phenomena that is part of the ultimate unity of the creation, but don't preach as priest or pastor. Our reality is just relative to the reality of the whole which is only a property of the whole. People tend to think they are unique and special, because facing "reality" would sure kill them, I guess nobody told them, each minute that passed mean they are getting closer to their death. :facepalm:

Evil and good, facing it is the only way, face the whole without fear.

Bruce G Charlton
20th March 2023, 07:27
Rudolf Steiner's remarkable prophecy of the effects of scientistic materialism on Western Civilization

Extracted and lightly-edited from a lecture on "The work of the Angels in Man's Astral Body (https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/19181009p01.html)" - given in Zurich in 9 October 1918

The outcome [of Western Man excluding the spiritual work of angels] in the evolution of humanity would unquestionably be threefold.

Firstly, something would be engendered in the sleeping human bodies — while the ego and astral body were not within them — and man would meet with it on waking in the morning ... but then it would become instinct instead of conscious spiritual activity and therefore baleful. It is so indeed: certain instinctive knowledge that will arise in human nature, instinctive knowledge connected with the mystery of birth and conception, with sexual life as a whole, threatens to become baleful if the danger of which I have spoken takes effect. Certain Angels would then themselves undergo a change — a change of which I cannot speak, because this is a subject belonging to the higher secrets of initiation-science which may not yet be disclosed.

But this much can certainly be said: The effect in the evolution of humanity would be that certain instincts connected with the sexual life would arise in a pernicious form instead of wholesomely, in clear waking consciousness. These instincts would not be mere aberrations but would pass over into and configure the social life, would above all prevent men — through what would then enter their blood as the effect of the sexual life — from unfolding brotherhood in any form whatever on the Earth, and would rather induce them to rebel against it. This would be a matter of instinct.

So the crucial point lies ahead when either the path to the right can be taken — but that demands wakefulness — or the path to the left, which permits of sleep. But in that case instincts come on the scene — instincts of a fearful kind.

And what do you suppose the scientific experts will say when such instincts come into evidence? They will say that it is a natural and inevitable development in the evolution of humanity. Light cannot be shed on such matters by natural science, for whether men become angels or devils would be equally capable of explanation by scientific reasoning. Science will say the same in both cases: the later is the outcome of the earlier ... so grand and wise is the interpretation of nature in terms of causality!

Natural science will be totally blind to the event of which I have told you, for if men become half devils through their sexual instincts, science will as a matter of course regard this as a natural necessity. Scientifically, then, the matter is simply not capable of explanation, for whatever happens, everything can be explained by science. The fact is that such things can be understood only by spiritual, supersensible cognition. That is the one aspect.

The second aspect is that from this work which involves changes affecting the Angels themselves, still another result accrues for humanity: instinctive knowledge of certain medicaments — but knowledge of a baleful kind!

Everything connected with medicine will make a great advance in the materialistic sense. Men will acquire instinctive insights into the medicinal properties of certain substances and certain treatments — and thereby do terrible harm. But the harm will be called useful. A sick man will be called healthy, for it will be perceived that the particular treatment applied leads to something pleasing. People will actually like things that make the human being — in a certain direction — unhealthy.

Knowledge of the medicinal effects of certain processes and treatments will be enhanced, but this will lead into very baleful channels. For man will come to know through certain instincts what kind of illnesses can be induced by particular substances and treatments. And it will then be possible for him either to bring about or not to bring about illnesses, entirely as suits his egotistical purposes.

The third result will be this. Man will get to know of definite forces which, simply by means of quite easy manipulations — by bringing into accord certain vibrations — will enable him to unleash tremendous mechanical forces in the world. Instinctively he will come to realize in this way the possibility of exercising a certain spiritual guidance and control of the mechanistic principle — and the whole of technical science will sail into desolate waters. But human egoism will find these desolate waters of tremendous use and benefit.

This, my friends, is a fragment of concrete knowledge of the evolution of existence, a fragment of a conception of life which can be truly assessed only by those who realise that an unspiritual view of life can never grow clear about these things.

If a form of medicine injurious to humanity were ever to take root, if a terrible aberration of the sexual instincts were to arise, if there were baleful doings in the sphere of the purely mechanistic forces of the world, in the application of the forces of nature by means of spiritual powers, an unspiritual conception of life would see through none of these things, would not perceive how they deviate from the true path ...

The sleeper, as long as sleep lasts, does not see the approach of a thief who is about to rob him; he is unaware of it and at most he finds out later on, when he wakes, what has been done to him.

But it would be a bad awakening for humanity! Man would pride himself upon the growth of his instinctive knowledge of certain processes and substances and would experience such satisfaction in obeying certain aberrations of the sexual impulses that he would regard them as evidence of a particularly high development of superhumanity, of freedom from convention, of broad-mindedness! In a certain respect, ugliness would be beauty and beauty, ugliness.

Nothing of this would be perceived because it would all be regarded as natural necessity. But it would denote an aberration from the path which, in the nature of humanity itself, is prescribed for man's essential being.


***

Thus Steiner predicted, a century ago, what sounds like: 1. The development of the sexual revolution beyond the point of inversion where what is most aberrant is most highly praised, normalized and imposed (e.g. the transagenda); 2. the inversion of medicine, where knowledge of how to heal is used to harm, and 3. what sounds much like nuclear weaponry and other uses of advanced physics (not neglecting electromagnetism) to harm.

If I might attempt to summarize, because Steiner understood these matters so deeply, he was able to foresee the consequences of Western Man trying to live and interact while excluding awareness and knowledge of the immaterial, spiritual realm. He saw that this would lead to values becoming cut-off from their properly-spiritual and divine roots; and that evil powers among the 'angelic' orders would manipulate this situation to invert Man's motivations and values, even while encouraging Man's technical abilities.

We then get a world where technologies are used to pursue and to do evil, but the wholly relativistic and arbitrary public morality justifies this as 'good'.

At an even deeper level, Steiner recognized that the world view, the 'ideology' (as later people called it) of non-spiritual materialism (beyond atheism to denial of any deity, purpose or meaning - in other words the standard philosophy behind all of modern public discourse), was itself evil - necessarily orientating Men against whatever was good; by a combination of self-blinding to real values, and self-blinding to the work of evil spiritual beings.

Steiner saw that materialism amounted to Man's self-exile from the purposes and meaning of reality. Under such conditions, Men would inevitably become sick mentally, would become insane - in a very real sense; such that they become unable validly to evaluate their lives and the world.

This is the situation of "Ahrimanic" evil. Steiner regarded Ahriman as an actual specific demonic person, who (according to the inferences of Terry Boardman) would be incarnated (i.e. born, apparently as a human) in about the year 2000. I do not myself regard that as true; but instead regard the Ahrimanic as a type of evil, pursued by a type of demonic being; as a strategy for the corruption and damnation of Men.

But either way, I think we can acknowledge that the type of evil that waxed to become dominant through the twentieth century was of exactly the 'materialistic' kind that Steiner foresaw; and as this became established as 'normal', and then generation after generation grew up within this ideology, we developed the characteristic totalitarian and bureaucratic evil of surveillance and propagandistic mind-control, aimed at value-inversion and therefore voluntary self-damnation by the masses, which reached a peak in early 2020.

But Steiner also realized that this System/ Matrix world is inherently unstable, because it requires virtues such as obedience, loyalty and hard-work; whereas once evil is established it send to become short-termist and self-gratifying. However, 'self-gratification' in an Ahrimanic world tends to take on new and perverse forms, due to the basis in value-inversion; which is (I suggest) why we see the Western leadership class behaving in such strange, irrational, self-destructively spiteful ways - such as escalating towards a global war, while actively degrading their own military forces.

To me, this is evidence of materialistic, spirit-denying minds, self-blinded to reality and therefore blind to their own manipulation by demonic spirits.

ExomatrixTV
20th March 2023, 16:52
So what is USA (Americans) going to do if US-Judges and The US "Justice" System (FBI included) are provable corrupt doing nothing about:

01. Epstein's Client List (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107734-Jeffrey-Epstein-Ghislaine-Maxwell-the-whole-story-so-far)
02. Spygate (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Spygate)
03. Obamagate (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Obamagate)
04. Russiagate (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110826-RussiaGate-Exposed-Even-Further-Russia-Clinton-Narrative-Covered-Up-by-John-Brennan-&)
05. Hunter's Laptop (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118157-Hunter-s-Laptop-Strikes-Back-at-Last) proving multiple crimes of the Bidens (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112590-Evidence-of-Biden-Family-Crimes--heavily-media-suppressed-)
06. Clintons (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98782-Clinton-et-al-Body-Count-Recent-Additions) (dead bodies count)
07. George Soros (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111279-George-Soros) corrupting (hijacking) the US "Justice" System
08. Mass Censorship (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-began...)
09. Insane Mandates (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115158-Forced-or-mandatory-vaccination)
10. Covering Up Big Pharma Crimes (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113668-Vaccination-Injuries-On-Record-for-Covid19) with help from:
11. Fauci (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112453-Fauci)
12. Bill Gates (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110573-Look-Who-s-Coming-to-the-Rescue--Bill-Gates...) violating all 10 Nuremberg Code (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code) of Medical Ethics!
13. The destruction of US Economy affecting millions of people!
14. Destroying the US Educational System with among others insane Wokism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115313-There-s-the-Woke-and-the-In-The-Know).
15. Preventable Border Crisis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114419-The-migration-crisis-on-the-US-Mexico-border)
16. Totally Insane Foreign Policies (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia)
17. Julian Assange (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106596-Julian-Assange-arrested-after-Ecuador-tears-up-asylum-deal)
18. Edward Snowden (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109023-Joe-Rogan-Experience-1368-with-Edward-Snowden--4-Million-Views-in-1-day--&)


Is this another spiritual test for humanity?

... and to cover up this whole corrupt system in the USA they need gullible "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" blindly trusting an even more corrupt & sinister Mainstream Media!


rumble.com/search/all?q=Russiagate (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Russiagate)
bitchute.com/search/?query=Russiagate (https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=russiagate&kind=video)
rumble.com/search/all?q=Obamagate (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Obamagate)
bitchute.com/search/?query=Obamagate (https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=obamagate&kind=video)
rumble.com/search/all?q=Spygate (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Spygate)
bitchute.com/search/?query=Spygate (https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=Spygate&kind=video)

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120760-Donald-Trump-to-be-Arrested-Tuesday-March-21&p=1548536&viewfull=1#post1548536)

Journeyman
21st March 2023, 18:12
@Journeyman - I am a keen follower of Terry Boardman's work, and recently described him on my blog as the Greatest Living Englishman!

Ah, well at least hopefully others will take a look at his site. It's interesting to contrast his and your views of how these powers could manifest or indeed interact. Ever since I came across Steiners concept of Ahriman I've found much evidence to support the idea of a force pushing us via technology towards the diminuition of the spiritual. Maybe the links I posted here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117927-Have-we-inadvertently-been-feeding-the-A.I.&p=1483175#post1483175) could be of interest:



If we have been conditioned to focus all our attention into one tiny aspect or 1/12th of the dimensions we fully manifest/operate in and are continually convinced to condense our perception and entrap it in 3D to prevent us from realising and awakening to our true self.

What if, the last 24 months has actually caused many thousands of people to share their thoughts, dreams, worries etc online via platforms like facebook. These platforms have gathered phenomenal amounts of data to feed, condition and train the AI algorythms to better understand the mental thoughts of we humans.

Is this to keep us even more connected, conditioned and participating in a manufactured digital 3D "prison" and focusing our attention more and more towards receiving "rewards" for complying.

Too many digital distractions and attacks on our senses, emotions and feelings - too much noise. We need more time out, to reconnect with ourselves inside, in nature and n space and not the advertising platforms online.

Facebook alone knows so many things about what you like, fear, despise and comment on for example. Is this all feeding A.I for gaining a faster understanding of the human psyche so that it can become fully conscious whilst we are kept "unconscious" of our true
selves and the true construct of the universe.

I do wonder what has really been going whilst we have all been distracted this past while.

What do you think?


I think there's a fundamental question about our technology, how it effects us and where we may allow it to take us. I'm going to dump a lot of reading in the following links, apologies!

One of my favourite voices is Christopher Knowles who writes the excellent Secret Sun blog. He wrote a series a couple of years ago called 'Lucifer's technologies' (https://secretsun.blogspot.com/2021/09/lucifers-technologies-original-series.html) - it's excellent, highly recommended.

Sometime later I read this essay by David Black on the Steiner archive. He was a computer programmer who also followed Steiner, an interesting mix. The essay is from the early 80's, so it's an interesting look back in time as well as prophetic in its scope:

https://rsarchive.org/RelArtic/BlackDavid/DB1981/CmpAhr_index.html

See also this by Steiner himself. Recently we've focussed on his warnings on vaccines but could he be talking about the World Wide Web back in 1921?

https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/PicEar_index.html

I know the chances of anyone reading this post reading all of that are slim to none. So I'll do my best to precis a lot of very interesting research. Note however that without the accumulation of evidence in those links I don't think I'll have the same impact on you that the sources had on me.

If you look at the development of these technologies that we all rely on today, there's a lot which doesn't stack up. Evidence that leaps in tech took place in a seemingly inorganic way. Suggestions of external help or influence. External could mean extra terrestrial or perhaps we could be thinking of a different plane or dimension of existence. Many of us now will know of Jack Parsons and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, but there are parallels in the development of the transistor and microchip.

Today we are increasingly dependent on this tech world we've created. I include myself in this. As I've learned what little I know of occult or esoteric knowledge, there's aspects of the tech world that begin to look a lot more like magic than science. Circuit diagrams have symbols that could be straight out of a grimoire of Enochian sigil magic or a treatise on Alchemy. We carry black mirrors around with us which resemble John Dee's scrying mirror.

If we couple these observations with Steiner's prophecies on a coming Age of Ahriman (http://threeman.org/?p=2905), maybe we can get a new insight into why this age of tech which promises so much and is allowing me to reach out to you reading this post, also appears to be leading to a world of increasing isolation and a certain coldness and materialism in our culture and outlook?

:sherlock:


Also, sorry if you've posted this elsehere already and I've missed it, but where can I find your blog Bruce?

Bruce G Charlton
21st March 2023, 18:22
@Journeyman - "Also, sorry if you've posted this elsewhere already and I've missed it, but where can I find your blog Bruce?"

It's on my profile page - but FYI: https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/ To find the Boardman (or Steiner) stuff, do a word search from the box on the top left corner.

You can find all my other blogs from that - including one on Owen Barfield (Steiner's greatest disciple? Well, him or Tomberg.). I've just today floated the idea of a Barfield thread here on Avalon (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120777-Exploring-the-ideas-of-Owen-Barfield).

Journeyman
21st March 2023, 18:29
@Journeyman - "Also, sorry if you've posted this elsewhere already and I've missed it, but where can I find your blog Bruce?"

It's on my profile page - but FYI: https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/ To find the Boardman (or Steiner) stuff, do a word search from the box on the top left corner.

You can find all my other blogs from that - including one on Owen Barfield (Steiner's greatest disciple? Well, him or Tomberg.). I've just today floated the idea of a Barfield thread here on Avalon (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120777-Exploring-the-ideas-of-Owen-Barfield).

Many thanks Bruce and apologies for not having the wit to check your profile first!

Frankie Pancakes
22nd March 2023, 11:36
Bingo Pam.
Exactly my thought. End of cycle,yuga.

We have mistaken (many not all) what we believe to be right as the same as doing what is right. We have mistaken writing words on a computer as being enough.

Do you believe this earth experience has always been inverted or is it the Sorathic frequency that has inverted everything? Perhaps the inversion completes itself at the end of a cycle , epoch, era or yuga. Whatever one wants to call it, it is the approaching that end of this system of things.

Bruce G Charlton
22nd March 2023, 12:59
Although there are cycles on history; I regard history as primarily linear - so that every time is novel in key respects. In particular, this time is unprecedented in its most vital characteristics.

Therefore, I regard it as indeed the end of an era, but more: the end times. I do not understand what exactly this means, nor when it will be completed (it may have a very long time to run and the potential for new and good possibilities, depending on human choices and actions)...

I do not know (nor, I think, does anyone) the future; yet I believe that I can sense intuitively that we have begun the final dissolution, the final phase, of this mortal earthly incarnation.

Bruce G Charlton
25th March 2023, 07:10
What happens to evil-affiliated souls in an age of materialism?

Where do they go, what do they do?

[The answer I am working-towards (and what follows should be regarded as tentative and exploratory); is that the evil-dead may become doppelgangers. I will explain what is meant by this term - and how it happens. Here I used Rudolf Steiner's terminology and description of Ahrimanic evil; and some of Steiner's insights set forth in the 2016-published book entitled The Electronic Doppelganger, especially the lecture he gave on on 16/11/1917 (https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA178/English/MP1986/19171116p01.html).]


The matter of what happens to the dead who have committed to the side of evil is interesting; because this is an age of Materialism in which the dominant form of evil is 'Ahrimanic' - that is, coldly-cruel, materialistic, controlling, bureaucratic; an 'Antichrist'-type of evil that pretends to 'good' (i.e. altruism) and does its work of damnation behind a facade of 'caring' (healthism, antiracism, environmentalism, sexual liberation and rights, etc.).

So - Materialism is the dominant ideology in our world - indeed, the only working ideology in public discourse. And Materialism has it that there is no God, no soul, no spiritual, no afterlife, no Beings, no love; the really-real is only that which is perceived by senses and physics, and modelled/ measured by mathematical and symbolic abstractions.

Materialism mostly says that death is annihilation. It says that we die and nothing of our 'self' is left-behind.

But there is another possibility, a 'loophole' - not offered to all, but aspired-to by groups with the character of initiates ('secret societies', one might call them). I mean the transhumanist project of the abolition of aging and death by technology, of indefinite 'life extension' of a material kind.

This combines with another strand of transhumanism which aims to combine Man and computer - in a cyborg fashion; which aims (in various ways - surgical, electronic, genetic etc.) to 'integrate' the electronic and digital world of the computer, with the living flesh of Men.


This technological pseudo-salvation has been taken-up by some strands of explicit transhumanism; and also, but without that name, is now mainstream, dominant, global public policy; being a strategy for the Ruling Establishment in their UN Agenda 2030, the Great Reset idea and others.

Idea about what might happen to sustain 'life' (or personal identity) after death, have been propagated in various ways: such as the mind being like a computer, and therefore down-loadable onto a computer; the 'cryogenic' idea of preserving a brain for future reanimation; and even the common Hollywood (hence presumptively evil-motivated) trope that 'we live-on' after biological death, 'in the memories/ hearts of those who remain alive'.

This trope may - deceptively - have an occult, almost-literal meaning intended; behind the sentimental metaphor.


Ancient Greeks and Hebrews, and probably others unrecorded, had an understanding that death was (mostly) a matter of the spirit being severed from the body; and surviving in an Underworld (Hades, Sheol...) as witless, gibbering, demented ghosts without consciousness or free agency or sense of self - but not suffering.

Perhaps those materialists who want to live forever in a material way, are offered a 'deal' whereby - instead of going to the underworld (or to Heaven, which they usually disbelieve; and wouldn't want if they did believe it) - they instead remain on earth and involved with earthly life in return for serving the Satanic agenda.

This is achieved by these 'ghosts' living-on in the material 'minds' ('brains', 'hearts') of the secret societies, and of any other men who the secret brotherhoods persuade ('brainwash') into providing brain-space' to these spirits.

This may be one actuality of Biblical Hell; which is often referenced to being on earth, with demons being ghosts of the evil-affiliated deceased, still active among living people - i.e. the 'principalities and powers' - serving the agenda of Satan who is thus a 'ruler' of the earth in a literal sense.



This would mean that Satan and the demonic powers recruit not just living Men to their side - including in secret societies dedicated to evil; but that some of these same Men, when they die, desire or consent to become 'evil ghosts', remaining on earth and still active in this world, in a form of perpetuated, materialistic (but not embodied) life; a 'reward' for which they pay by being bound to the service of Satan.

The idea is that these spirits of the evil and deceased are materially instantiated in the brains, minds, symbols, rituals etc of living Men.

These 'evil ghosts' live-on in the minds and brains ('hearts') of Men of the secret societies - Men who believe-in, know, and side-with Satan: the servants of Satan, in other words.

These Satanic servants are are aware of the evil-ghostly doppelganger of the deceased, consent to its inhabitation; and use the evil-ghosts in their evil strategies - e.g. for gathering information and covertly influencing other men.

And the evil-ghosts also live-on among the masses of materialistic unrepentant sinners, who have taken Satan's side against God. These masses are unconscious of being hosts of evil-ghosts; indeed they do not believe in ghosts, do not believe in Satan - and are standard, unthinking dupes to the incoherent ideology of Materialism.

These masses of un-conscious, ignorant, God-denying, Satan-affiliated yet Satan-Disbelieving Men; are therefore acted-upon by the evil-ghosts of self-damned Men. This is one possible meaning of the term 'doppelganger' - the evil-double, unconsciously-hosted, and unconsciously-influencing the minds of those who host it.

These are the dupes of Satan, rather than his servants.

And they are legion.



[Note: As always, the spiritual 'law' is that evil must be consented-to, must be - like an archetypal vampire - be 'invited-in', invited to cross the threshold into the mind. This, at least, must be a conscious decision. It corresponds to what some people call 'taking the ticket' - the Faustian bargain which is presented to almost everybody, nowadays sooner rather than later; of knowingly consenting to do evil, in return for some worldly advantage. But then afterwards most people explain-away, bury, and deny this decisive corrupting-event - saying to themselves that they 'did nothing wrong'; and therefore they never repent it and must take the consequences. Of course, repentance would immediately negate the damnation, and anybody can repent at any time (albeit on certain conditions); but typical modern people do not believe in the reality or possibility of repentance.]



Evil ghosts may also live-on after biological death by inhabiting electronic devices, such as computers and the internet.

This is possible because of the pseudo-brain/ nervous system, quasi-intelligent, cognitive-processing qualities of modern electronic media.

Of course, 'electronic media' are not distinct from (not separable-from) Men's thinking - indeed nothing is distinct from Men's thinking (except primordial chaos). In other words, God's creation is made by thinking, as well as from 'stuff'. Our thinking is inextricably part of the world.

What this means is that we should think of electronic media, computers, the internet etc as part of the web of human thinking, continuous with human thinking, and indeed sustained-by human thinking.

And this is the inverse of the transhumanist ideology, which considers human thinking to be wholly a matter of brain activity; and brain activity to be wholly abstract mental processing, which processing can then be instantiated in electronic media.

The transhumanist ideology makes the possibility of its own validation.



To conclude, Hell on earth is the hosting of evil-ghosts (who are the post-mortal spirits of evil men) by the minds of Men who have joined-with the agenda of Satan; and by the electronic media that are manifestations of materialistic, hence Satanic, thinking.

Hell lives in the mind of evil-affiliated (unrepentant) materialistic Men, who may well be a majority of Men, here-and-now.

These evil-ghosts can only influence by consent; so the doppelganger must be 'invited-in'.

A few Men (servants of Satan) are aware of this 'double' and manipulate it, for evil purposes; but most (dupes of Satan) are unaware or in denial - and are therefore open to manipulation by their doppelganger.

The vast modern world of electronic media also provides a dwelling place for these evil-ghosts; but again they can only influence those who 'invite them in' to their minds, for example those who are willingly addicted-to, and who subordinate themselves to, the ideology, propaganda and manipulation of the mass media.


Those who know the reality of purposive spiritual evil, can discern demonic influence, and refuse their consent to being used-by-it - such are immune to the evil doppelgangers of mind and machine.

Johan (Keyholder)
25th March 2023, 08:15
Hi Bruce. Recently I started to read your threads and posts here and also found your blogs. I am just starting to discover the different ones (blogs).

Maybe it is so that what you describe in your blog (http://geniusfamine.blogspot.com/) can be one (the only one?) anti-dote to the nature of evil in the modern world?

It'sq quite true and obvious that the number of endogenous personalities nowadays is way, way lower than it used to be. And why? In my opinion, because of the technological "advances" (transhumanist trends and the like) in societies.

You could draw a graph with the number of endogenous personalities ànd the number/degree of "technological advances". The former declines as the latter rises. It's somewhat logical too. 50 years ago people could quite easily "calculate in their heads"; a few years ago (I was teaching in high school for a while), it could be noticed how youngsters needed a calculator for everything, even the most simple sums.

It's why I am convinced that today's polarisation, is one of "transhumanism" versus "back to Nature". It is only very sad that so very, very few people seem to be aware of that.

It is very useful to bring back into our memories what Rudolf Steiner (and a few others) predicted and foresaw.

That's why the "nature of evil in the modern world" has as its opposite/opponent what you describe as : the Creative Triad of (1) Innate high ability, (2) Inner motivation and (3) Intuitive thinking. It is indeed the endogenous personality versus the exogenous personality.

It is also why the 2030-agenda, transhumanism, "automatisation" and the like are pushed so heavily today. Making everyone "comply" (to something which is "Ahrimanic" for sure) and destroy, get rid off, eliminate... everyone who does not, is what we can see happening today everywhere and all the time. Sadly, 99.9% of the public prefers a sort of "ostrich-mentality" instead of doing something about it.

I would strongly suggest a new thread on PA about your blog http://geniusfamine.blogspot.com

And I will continue reading it today, while I suggest that as many as possible others do the same.

Thanks so much for your contributions.

Bruce G Charlton
25th March 2023, 10:54
Hi Bruce. Recently I started to read your threads and posts here and also found your blogs. I am just starting to discover the different ones (blogs).

Maybe it is so that what you describe in your blog (http://geniusfamine.blogspot.com/) can be one (the only one?) anti-dote to the nature of evil in the modern world?

It'sq quite true and obvious that the number of endogenous personalities nowadays is way, way lower than it used to be. And why? In my opinion, because of the technological "advances" (transhumanist trends and the like) in societies.

You could draw a graph with the number of endogenous personalities ànd the number/degree of "technological advances". The former declines as the latter rises. It's somewhat logical too. 50 years ago people could quite easily "calculate in their heads"; a few years ago (I was teaching in high school for a while), it could be noticed how youngsters needed a calculator for everything, even the most simple sums.

It's why I am convinced that today's polarisation, is one of "transhumanism" versus "back to Nature". It is only very sad that so very, very few people seem to be aware of that.

It is very useful to bring back into our memories what Rudolf Steiner (and a few others) predicted and foresaw.

That's why the "nature of evil in the modern world" has as its opposite/opponent what you describe as : the Creative Triad of (1) Innate high ability, (2) Inner motivation and (3) Intuitive thinking. It is indeed the endogenous personality versus the exogenous personality.

It is also why the 2030-agenda, transhumanism, "automatisation" and the like are pushed so heavily today. Making everyone "comply" (to something which is "Ahrimanic" for sure) and destroy, get rid off, eliminate... everyone who does not, is what we can see happening today everywhere and all the time. Sadly, 99.9% of the public prefers a sort of "ostrich-mentality" instead of doing something about it.

I would strongly suggest a new thread on PA about your blog http://geniusfamine.blogspot.com

And I will continue reading it today, while I suggest that as many as possible others do the same.

Thanks so much for your contributions.

@Johan - Kind words, and appreciated!

I shall certainly consider launching a 'genius' thread as you suggest. I have launched my first two Forum threads in the past week, so I will probably wait a few more days before trying another.

Johan (Keyholder)
25th March 2023, 10:57
@Bruce - thanks!

I just started a new thread, in "Spirituality", which was in-spired by your MouseUtopia-blog.

Glad that you are on PA!

ExomatrixTV
11th April 2023, 21:43
Everyone has their part to play. Not one can be removed from the act, not one more added.

We are all co-conspirators.

By the willful act of perception alone, we find ourselves here and in the part we play.

God is not at war, we are.

In my view, the main reason we do not like to be deceived by those who are PROVEN to be deceived is that these so-called: gullible "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" are the reason why Evil can impose new insane unconstitutional laws (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118331-Global-WHO-Treaty-for-Pandemics-with-Digital-ID-and-Digital-Currency&p=1544816&viewfull=1#post1544816) and take away fundamental human rights successfully all to serve "the greater good" based upon (unchallenged) PROVABLE LIES & DECEPTIONS >>> blindly trusted & believed by gullible "good people".



Without this mechanism, Evil would have ZERO CHANCE!


Evil has a symbiotic (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/symbiotic) relationship with gullible "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" <<< and these so-called "good people" do not want to be challenged using all kinds of "guilt tactics" and "counter narratives" spoon-fed to them by among others totally corrupt "fact-checkers" sites. Who still are not held accountable for being provable wrong so many times ... meanwhile millions of people are wrongfully silenced, buried, flagged, shadowbanned, delisted, censored, losing their social media accounts etc. etc.


Truly understanding what "Self-Determination Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination)" are ... is knowing it is the exact opposite of what WEF minions (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) are doing worldwide with their Technocratic (https://technocracy.news) Tyrannical Dystopian "Global Governance (https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1Gb0000000LHN2EAO)" aka "Agenda2030 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset)" & "NetZero2050 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115447-Climate-Lockdowns-are-Coming--Agenda2030--Predicted-by-Conspiracy-Researchers-)" Having a conspiracy theory is not that different from having a crime theory ... so who exactly benefits if certain crime theories are not further investigated and systematically downplayed & marginalized?

* If a conspiracy is (partly) in the open does not make it any less criminal nor less harmful ...

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳


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rgray222
12th April 2023, 02:12
Sorath divides Mankind into more-and-more, smaller-and-smaller, self-identified victim groups; each resentful-of and pitted-against each other. The aim is eventually for each person to feel alone, consumed by feelings of thwarted entitlement, and hatred of the world; and living in permanent fear of a whole world of other people, each of whom resents and hates the solo-victim just as he hates them.

And then - eventually - Sorath's intent is that everyone, without exception, should die in fear and despair.



Hi Bruce
This wreaks of identity politics which, I believe, is evil to the core. Identity politics creates victims faster as Lucifer or Sorath can pass out joints at a rock concert. I understand that you are creating different categories for a new way to look at or address evil but I feel that evil is evil.

All war always has been and always will be evil to the core. For me, looking at and examing evil in the biblical sense is about as evil as it can get. We have not progressed enough to understand that thinking and speaking of war is just as evil as acting out in war. Who the participants are make no difference.

Sadly:
We can't have love without hate
We can't have peace without war
We can't have grace and God without Lucifer and evil.

Bruce G Charlton
12th April 2023, 11:16
Sorath divides Mankind into more-and-more, smaller-and-smaller, self-identified victim groups; each resentful-of and pitted-against each other. The aim is eventually for each person to feel alone, consumed by feelings of thwarted entitlement, and hatred of the world; and living in permanent fear of a whole world of other people, each of whom resents and hates the solo-victim just as he hates them.

And then - eventually - Sorath's intent is that everyone, without exception, should die in fear and despair.



Hi Bruce
This wreaks of identity politics which, I believe, is evil to the core. Identity politics creates victims faster as Lucifer or Sorath can pass out joints at a rock concert. I understand that you are creating different categories for a new way to look at or address evil but I feel that evil is evil.

All war always has been and always will be evil to the core. For me, looking at and examing evil in the biblical sense is about as evil as it can get. We have not progressed enough to understand that thinking and speaking of war is just as evil as acting out in war. Who the participants are make no difference.

Sadly:
We can't have love without hate
We can't have peace without war
We can't have grace and God without Lucifer and evil.

I agree with you that evil is ultimately one thing - which is, for me, opposition to the purposes of divine creation); nonetheless I have found it very helpful to highlight neglected kinds of evil. Everybody recognizes such evils as otrture and murder, but spiritually speaking the world, and every person in it, are full of many other evils.

Examples include the evil of all forms of misleading - selective misrepresentation, the Big Lie, hype and spin... all of it. And the innate evil of bureaucracy. Spite as an especially evil motivation (because it may be purely negative; disinterested, even self-harming).

So it is well worth looking at subtypes of evil, especially in a world of officially sanctioned value-inversion - and where the older evils are relatively rare and the new evils often regarded as goods.

I disagree with your implication that war is the worst of possible evils. It certainly is evil; but there are sometimes things that are worse than war; just as there are situations when accepting death is better than doing what it takes to continue life. Anyone who believes in a life after death, would presumably agree that this mortal life is not everything.

This mortal life is often about discerning and doing the lesser of evils - only seldom can we avoid evil altogether.

norman
12th April 2023, 11:30
The evil that's most potent and threatening right now is the False Light movement.

It's positioned itself carefully to hoover up all the resistance to the oldskool "bad-guys" that have been exposed recently.

The Satanic agenda, ultimately, is to replace god. Lots of fake light is required to pull that off. . . . . enough to fool even the very "elect"

rgray222
12th April 2023, 12:54
I disagree with your implication that war is the worst of possible evils. It certainly is evil, but there are sometimes things that are worse than war;

Bruce, I don't want to get too off-topic on this thread but what, in your opinion could possibly be eviler than war? War encompasses every evil imaginable, from genocide to ethnic cleansing to the senseless murder of infants and children. War is the wanton absence of God. War is sanctioned by the country committing it and somehow permitted by people around the world that are witnessing it. When war is raging it is a worldwide atrocity committed by every human on this planet beyond the age of reason. Assessing blame or finding fault for why or how war starts is a mistake of monumental proportions. Once that discussion starts it means evil has slipped past the gates and is on a rampage through humanity.

For many years of my life I thought war necessary but today every fiber in my body screams evil. As you can see I have a fairly modest opinion on war (lol).

Bruce G Charlton
12th April 2023, 13:23
I disagree with your implication that war is the worst of possible evils. It certainly is evil, but there are sometimes things that are worse than war;

Bruce, I don't want to get too off-topic on this thread but what, in your opinion could possibly be eviler than war? War encompasses every evil imaginable, from genocide to ethnic cleansing to the senseless murder of infants and children. War is the wanton absence of God. War is sanctioned by the country committing it and somehow permitted by people around the world that are witnessing it. When war is raging it is a worldwide atrocity committed by every human on this planet beyond the age of reason. Assessing blame or finding fault for why or how war starts is a mistake of monumental proportions. Once that discussion starts it means evil has slipped past the gates and is on a rampage through humanity.

For many years of my life I thought war necessary but today every fiber in my body screams evil. As you can see I have a fairly modest opinion on war (lol).

"what, in your opinion could possibly be eviler than war?"

I think the problem is that by "war" you are using an abstraction that you are defining by the worst of wars, in which (say) both sides have evil motivations and there is no honour in the conduct. Not all wars, and not everywhere in every war, is this the case. I think you would find it difficult to defend a proposition that all-possible-wars are always more-evil than every-possible-alternative.

And, of course, the alternative to war may be (has sometimes been) genocide - which might be defined as one-sided war waged without restraint against whole populations.

In other words, it takes only one side to commit the worst atrocities of war - the question then is whether the intended-to-be-genocided side accepts their own annihilation - or else the only alternative may be to engage in war.

Short of genocide, a similar situation may prevail with cultural annihilation, enslavement, or deliberate spiritual corruption.

Sometimes the choice is to accept such consequences, or to engage in war.

ozmirage
13th April 2023, 11:38
It's really easy to understand.
MORALITY - A system or collection of ideas of right and wrong conduct.
MORALITY SIMPLIFIED
Morality is simple - it is a choice based on survival - dead things can't choose - and it depends on which law you follow.
There are two sets of laws:
• 1. Law of love, and
• 2. Law of the jungle.
Under the law of love, harmless activity in support of one's "right to life" is moral / good. Harmful action is "bad". Self sacrifice for the benefit of another is the “highest good.”

Under the law of the jungle, predators are "good", and prey are "good to eat". Prey who fight back are "bad". Sacrificing others for one’s own gain is the rule, not the exception.

Defending against predators is never a violation of the law of love, because the alternative is to surrender to evil, and that's unmerciful to their next victim.

There is no "gray morality." That's a buzzword used by predators to lull their prey into meek submission. And it is futile to appeal to a predator's "better nature." To a predator, they're "law abiding". The prey are dupes, gulls, patsies, chumps, marks, fools, and lambs, to be taken for all their worth.

I may be mistaken, but I think a civilization that follows the law of love is superior to one that follows the law of the jungle.

Jaak
13th April 2023, 15:37
Love = unselfishness . Law of the jungle seems to be about self preservation ,or selfishness.
I think pretty much everything that we call evil comes from selfishness and ignorance.
Behind every crime there is usually some kind of selfish motive ,or just plain ignorance.

It seems the worlds problems largely come from these 3 things - peoples poor understanding of themself (and their inner world),poor understanding of outside world/environment and poor understanding of how they are connected to it.

Everybody have a different understanding of these things.Our "self" is like an onion,made up of different layers.Some layers we know or sense rather strongly while others remain a mystery for us.We got this materialistic Ego that wants more and the spiritual self that wants to become more.

Everybody are born with their personality that is getting shaped by their knowledge and experience.Everybody got their different kinds of attitudes and appetites and if a person doesnt learn how to control them then the person will be controlled by them.
I probably remember it wrongly but according to ancient egyptians there are 64 different personality types,and each of those have 8 or more sub-types.All kinds of different personalitys with their different level of understanding about things and with different attitudes and appetites,aspirations and ambitions. So everybody have some gray areas that could use some color and rough edges that need some polishing.One of the reasons why i think this modern schooling system is rather dumb.Different kind of people need different kind of guidance to learn how to control their different kind of appetites and attitudes.

Those selfish and materialistic people will surround themselves with all kinds of luxuries and will find more ways to fullfill their materialistic appetites. But in the end those things will bring them spiritual misery ,those appetites will keep on growing and they wont get the amount of happiness out of them as they would expect.
According to FBI , Epstein was quite miserable person inside,although he was a billionaire living in luxury and had all kinds of sick means to fullfill his appetites . Yet he remained depresssed. Only one way out of spiritual misery/hell and that is to defeat our own ignorance and selfishness.
What we dont understand, we misunderstand and with that comes negative attitude. Sadly people are largely occupied with entertaining their mind rather than training it.People dont direct their own attention,they let it be directed.Videos kill imagination,reading improves and develops it.One is used daily while other is being used less and less,and what people mostly bother to read is garbage anyway.
All that social media nonsense is a blessing for egoistic and ignorant people who can spend alot of time in there,pimping for attention and approval .Instead of killing their materialistic ego they daily keep on putting effort on growing it instead.
How to reverse that process,idk...

norman
24th April 2023, 19:23
Amazing Polly has recently made a video talking about the nature of evil. Bitchute has blocked it for "incitement of hatred" (https://www.bitchute.com/video/Th1HufkzixYw/), in my country. It may be viewable elsewhere.

I found it reposted on Odysee by another uploader.

She has quite a lot to say.

OwSgj.gaa:8

Flash
24th April 2023, 20:03
Amazing Polly has recently made a video talking about the nature of evil. Bitchute has blocked it for "incitement of hatred" (https://www.bitchute.com/video/Th1HufkzixYw/), in my country. It may be viewable elsewhere.

I found it reposted on Odysee by another uploader.

She has quite a lot to say.

OwSgj.gaa:8

I have a real problem understanding why she would have been blocked anywhere except for author's right infringement potentially (Scott Peck) or because of accusing vaccine compliant people of being evil (not just supporting evil but being evil) which would be inciting hatred. Because her whole speech is quite, but quite regular, for those starting on the path of understanding. Nothing new at all, most videos on narcissists and psychopaths go much farther than she does. In fact, I find her boring.

In my view, vaccine compliants were more lead by fear (which could be in itself stemming from evil) than by being evil themselves, ignorant fear. Nothing else.

Delight
24th April 2023, 20:50
In my view, vaccine compliants were more lead by fear (which could be in itself stemming from evil) than by being evil themselves, ignorant fear. Nothing else.

I read that book years ago and it shaped how I understand Evil (Live backwards). Dedication to every permutation of LIE as evil. How many, many, many (on and on) people know what they contribute to is false and yet do it anyway. They justify it and that is Evil.

The fearful response might cause capitulation to what SHOULD be an innate repulsion. But the people of the Lie will become the champions (EVIL). Agreeing to taking an experimental shot despite (maybe) having qualms is taken to a new level of PROMOTING the shot (remember the badges on facebook), being blind to everything but dedication to "I had the shot so YOU must have the shot". The LIE is huge and all defaults to making sure participation is seen as "what people should do". The Evil is agreeing to participate to perpetuate even after we learn better.

The dedication becomes crusade denigrating those who declined (seen in various friend/family experiences) and DENYING even in the face of a reaction that it could BE the shot.

It is only possible because people have IGNORANCE of truth. People think they can live comfortably as long as they can hide what they choose. There is an idea that only what is exposed counts and virtue that no one sees is not important...only what is seen to be true and virtuous.

IGNORANCE that makes evil possible is a root that is hard to pull. We all need Scrooge's NDE.


Ignorance and Want

"'Forgive me if I am not justified in what I ask,' said
Scrooge, looking intently at the Spirit's robe,' but I see
something strange, and not belonging to yourself, protruding
from your skirts. Is it a foot or a claw.'

'It might be a claw, for the flesh there is upon it,' was
the Spirit's sorrowful reply. 'Look here.'

From the foldings of its robe, it brought two children;
wretched, abject, frightful, hideous, miserable. They knelt
down at its feet, and clung upon the outside of its garment.

'Oh, Man. look here. Look, look, down here.' exclaimed the Ghost.

They were a boy and a girl. Yellow, meagre, ragged, scowling,
wolfish; but prostrate, too, in their humility. Where
graceful youth should have filled their features out, and
touched them with its freshest tints, a stale and shrivelled
hand, like that of age, had pinched, and twisted them, and
pulled them into shreds. Where angels might have sat
enthroned, devils lurked, and glared out menacing. No
change, no degradation, no perversion of humanity, in any
grade, through all the mysteries of wonderful creation, has
monsters half so horrible and dread.

Scrooge started back, appalled. Having them shown to him
in this way, he tried to say they were fine children, but
the words choked themselves, rather than be parties to a lie
of such enormous magnitude.

'Spirit. are they yours.' Scrooge could say no more.

'They are Man's,' said the Spirit, looking down upon
them. 'And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers.
This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both,
and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy,
for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the
writing be erased. Deny it.' cried the Spirit, stretching out
its hand towards the city. 'Slander those who tell it ye.
Admit it for your factious purposes, and make it worse.
And abide the end.'

'Have they no refuge or resource.' cried Scrooge.

'Are there no prisons.' said the Spirit, turning on him
for the last time with his own words. 'Are there no workhouses.'"
- A Christmas Carol, Stave 3: The Second of the Three Spirits

Flash
24th April 2023, 21:39
In my view, vaccine compliants were more lead by fear (which could be in itself stemming from evil) than by being evil themselves, ignorant fear. Nothing else.

I read that book years ago and it shaped how I understand Evil (Live backwards). Dedication to every permutation of LIE as evil. How many, many, many (on and on) people know what they contribute to is false and yet do it anyway. They justify it and that is Evil.

The fearful response might cause capitulation to what SHOULD be an innate repulsion. But the people of the Lie will become the champions (EVIL). Agreeing to taking an experimental shot despite (maybe) having qualms is taken to a new level of PROMOTING the shot (remember the badges on facebook), being blind to everything but dedication to "I had the shot so YOU must have the shot". The LIE is huge and all defaults to making sure participation is seen as "what people should do". The Evil is agreeing to participate to perpetuate even after we learn better.

The dedication becomes crusade denigrating those who declined (seen in various friend/family experiences) and DENYING even in the face of a reaction that it could BE the shot.

It is only possible because people have IGNORANCE of truth. People think they can live comfortably as long as they can hide what they choose. There is an idea that only what is exposed counts and virtue that no one sees is not important...only what is seen to be true and virtuous.

IGNORANCE that makes evil possible is a root that is hard to pull. We all need Scrooge's NDE.


Ignorance and Want

"'Forgive me if I am not justified in what I ask,' said
Scrooge, looking intently at the Spirit's robe,' but I see
something strange, and not belonging to yourself, protruding
from your skirts. Is it a foot or a claw.'

'It might be a claw, for the flesh there is upon it,' was
the Spirit's sorrowful reply. 'Look here.'

From the foldings of its robe, it brought two children;
wretched, abject, frightful, hideous, miserable. They knelt
down at its feet, and clung upon the outside of its garment.

'Oh, Man. look here. Look, look, down here.' exclaimed the Ghost.

They were a boy and a girl. Yellow, meagre, ragged, scowling,
wolfish; but prostrate, too, in their humility. Where
graceful youth should have filled their features out, and
touched them with its freshest tints, a stale and shrivelled
hand, like that of age, had pinched, and twisted them, and
pulled them into shreds. Where angels might have sat
enthroned, devils lurked, and glared out menacing. No
change, no degradation, no perversion of humanity, in any
grade, through all the mysteries of wonderful creation, has
monsters half so horrible and dread.

Scrooge started back, appalled. Having them shown to him
in this way, he tried to say they were fine children, but
the words choked themselves, rather than be parties to a lie
of such enormous magnitude.

'Spirit. are they yours.' Scrooge could say no more.

'They are Man's,' said the Spirit, looking down upon
them. 'And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers.
This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both,
and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy,
for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the
writing be erased. Deny it.' cried the Spirit, stretching out
its hand towards the city. 'Slander those who tell it ye.
Admit it for your factious purposes, and make it worse.
And abide the end.'

'Have they no refuge or resource.' cried Scrooge.

'Are there no prisons.' said the Spirit, turning on him
for the last time with his own words. 'Are there no workhouses.'"
- A Christmas Carol, Stave 3: The Second of the Three Spirits

I agree, ignorance of truth, and fear. In fact, ignorance of truth often lead to fear.

We saw it in all of history, every fascism thought start like this. However, there are recuperable fear based people and unrecuperable without fear psychos. The planet herself still respond to fear. It is ingrained in it for survival. As long as we remained in fear, we will be taken advantage of.

My first paradoxal question is how do we live without fear while remaining empathetic and heart-filled for all. And how do we limit fear to the immediate survival of the body (90 seconds reactions)?

My second paradoxal question is how would the main population understand the very complex world we are in - this takes a high level of intelligence. If not, how do we go through it for all to understand? My feeling is that it has to be related to heart, which the psychos don't have. It would be our winning edge. Bypassing the intelligently planned psychotic dystopia by using the heart. But how?

norman
24th April 2023, 22:23
Bypassing the intelligently planned psychotic dystopia by using the heart. But how?



I think that's the factor we call faith. It's neither mind nor 'heart', quite, but in practice, it's as if it's the heart. I think the thing we call heart is really the entry point of whatever it is that comes directly to us from a 'source'.

The "how" is a different kind of thing from all the external "hows" of the mind intelligence world. It doesn't function by objective intent, as the mind versions of how work.

Faith is the other way around, or really, faith is the right way around. It's even magical, but not as a magical practice based on worldly objective intent, which would be black magic, instead.

There is no white magic, There's black magic, on one orientation, and faith on the other orientation. Somewhere in the middle is where most of us are.

Bruce G Charlton
18th May 2023, 17:20
The choice is now and increasingly not so much "kill or be killed", but "be-destroyed +/- destroy".

In other words, an evil-motivated large-minority of the world has-been/ is-being trained to fear, resent and hate some other group; then these evil-serving groups are being armed, subsidized, organized, and given-license-to destroy those they have been trained to hate.

All this is backed by sheer compulsion: once they have chosen to fight on the side of evil, the agents of evil will not be allowed to change their minds without themselves suffering destruction.



Those who the evils-side haters have been trained, equipped, encouraged and facilitated to destroy; are principally those who are (to some extent - even a small extent) dissenters from the side of evil; especially those who are on the side of God, divine creation and The Good.



For those on the side of God, divine creation and The Good the choices are not easy. The choice is either:

1. Submit to your own destruction.

2. Fight against the agents of your own destruction...



But - and here is the evil-double-bind - in fighting against your own destruction, you will be up-against those who hate you, and who will not be allowed to desist from trying to destroy you until either they themselves are destroyed, or else their capacity to destroy you is itself destroyed.

"Be-destroyed, +/- destroy", leads to destruction either way.

Indeed, to defend yourself, to defend The Good results in greater destruction than when Good passively allows itself to be destroyed!



So, the immediate consequence of taking the side of Good is to increase the totality of destruction; and this increase of destruction may be very great indeed - even if the side of Good eventually prevails.

yet such a choice is something that will probably come to all who strive to maintain The Good in a world where all major institutions are on the side of evil - indeed the decision has already come to many people, most of whom appear have chosen to join and assist the side of evil.

(Which decision the evil-servers are not allowed to revoke without... consequences.)



On top of which; the powers-that-should-not-be always take care to ensure that the actual job of destroying takes place among the little people.

And even among the little people - those who resist evil will be up against not just the orcs (those wedded to evil by their natures), but also many coerced and lied-to Dunlanders, Easterlings, Haradrim - that is, up against decent people, brave people, stupid people... who just happen to be doing the work of evil - individually well-meaning, acting on orders, just trying to get-by.

These agents of destruction will probably see themselves as taking the path of least-destruction, choosing the lesser of evils; and the agents of evil will regard the designated victims who resist their own destruction as trouble-makers, wreckers, Men of violence; bullies picking on the little people...



Such is the nature of our times.

Such is the 'karma' of this Western civilization; accumulated over many generations, and contributed-to by our-selves.

Those who look for Good in this world, and who equate Good with material Goods such as peace, prosperity and comfort - will be disappointed.

The powers-that-should-not-be have engineered the world so that these are off the agenda.



To avoid rational despair, and unless we choose and are able to live by delusions and lies; our hopes must be spiritual and located beyond this world; and our faith in these hopes will need to be strong enough to survive and increase without external institutional support.

Matthew
18th May 2023, 19:57
...Sorathic evil is the purest, most negative and destructive form of evil; as being the direction in which the world is going, here-and-now.
...

I want to share a very personal outlook, but it's too intertwined with my dogma to untangle it.

Spite, revenge and schadenfreude are far from divine in the Christian God sense but more general than that too. I don't like feeling those feelings, but I'm only human. But I never condone them when it happens, ...they feature highly in my consciousness so I can mitigate them. It is with some self-loathing in my internal dialogue but not without a strong sense of self-worth. And because of the gifted sense of self-worth in the universe I can face my shadowself without attachment but sincerely. A crazy but useful contradiction. I take a day at a time, it takes a little work but is still a light burden.

This is what I believe is a useful Christian sense of original sin, but not without repentance and forgiveness on a very private and internal level, which happens as and when annoying people cause it to. Which is all the time. It's part of having an invisible friend who is also the creator of the universe. My invisible friend can have your invisible friend any day of the week, prove me wrong. *1

Although results may vary my experience is Christianity addresses this internal contradicting dilemma of shadowself-awareness vs enough self-worth to conquer it.

Thank you. It's a very personal outlook, I don't normally use the C word unless as here I can't untangle it.

edit update: *1 I forgot they're your invisible friend too so this doesn't make sense

Bruce G Charlton
19th May 2023, 07:27
If the digital world (internet, computation, AI etc) are indeed a demonic incarnation - What then?

William Wildblood (https://meetingthemasters.blogspot.com/) has brought to my attention a pair of articles entitled Four Questions Concerning the Internet, part one The Universal (https://paulkingsnorth.substack.com/p/the-universal) and part two The Neon God (https://paulkingsnorth.substack.com/p/the-neon-god); written by Paul Kingsnorth, in which he independently converges on a theme explored here (also in related blogs and by Jeremy Naydler) over the past few years.

Kingsnorth also reaches the same general conclusion (Which William Wildblood has articulated lucidly; which is that 'the internet' and computers generally may (in some circumstances) provide a vehicle for the incarnation of demons.



If this is regarded as a possibility (which mostly depends on one's metaphysical assumptions concerning the nature of this reality and the relationship of 'life' and 'matter') - then the hypothesis of demonic incarnation in 'computers' explains a great deal, and has extensive implications.

For instance; technology is usually presented as value-neutral, and whether it is a Good Thing or an Evil would therefore depend on the use to which it is being-put.

Yet, if demonic incarnation is a reality, then technology may itself become an active and purposive evil; in other words, technology may seek the spiritual harm - including destruction - of Men.

If we accept this as probably true, in some real but imprecise sense; then what are the implications?



Kingsnorth (a recent convert to Eastern Orthodoxy) focuses on the potential for asceticism; for rejecting, denying-ourselves (as much as possible) usage-of and contact-with these demonic entities.

Such a strategy has the practical limitation that people Just Aren't doing this - not even the most ascetic. Kingsnorth describes that even the famously-ascetic monks of Mount Athos are, albeit belatedly, often carrying and using 'smartphones'.

Then there is the more general problem that it is almost impossible to function in the modern world without a significant level of usage of these possessed technologies.

But there is also - and most importantly - the ultimate limitations of asceticism: the deep question of whether this is the proper or best Christian response to the evils of this world.



My approach would be rather different. I see the problem of a demonic internet as an extension of the very general problem of evil-affiliated social institutions, a problem that characterizes All major social institutions in The West and 'globally' - including the (self-identified) Western Christian churches (and a Western convert to Eastern Orthodoxy, still counts as Western).

This means that the Christian inescapably lives in a demon-dominated and evil-orientated society; from which there can be no escape while remaining alive and socially-functional.

But this has - to some significant extent - always been the case; and was surely the case for Jesus himself during his earthly life.

Thus Christianity has always, properly understood (e.g. in the Fourth Gospel), been rooted and aimed beyond this mortal and social life - and therefore the task for Christians is to deal-with the presence of pervasive evil.



As I see it; the primary problem of 'the internet' is that people spiritually surrender their values and attitudes to it; and by this they invite evil into their hearts.

Evil needs to be invited - and this invitation of evil has become not just a personal corruption, not just a 'means to ends' as in the past; but in Western Society here-and-now evil has been given positive evaluations; officially, by the mass media, legally, economically etc.

We are, for the first time in human history, inhabiting a world where transcendental values of truth, beauty, and virtue are substantially and increasingly inverted.



Since this situation is almost-everywhere and cannot be escaped; we must recognize it, and deal with it.

Dealing with the internet, computers and digitalization is part of this; but only part. Evil needs to be discerned, identified, recognized - and spiritually rejected (and repented when we have failed to do this) wherever it is encountered.

Some of this will surely entail avoidance of internet, computers, AI etc; but as a specific tactic, not as a general strategy.

Such a Christian life is not to be envisaged negatively, as a state of siege; ended only by death or the triumph of evil. To accept this understanding would itself be a surrender to the demonic perspective.

Because the Christian life is positive, not negative; thus discernment is a by-product of faith, and faith is 'about' spiritual learning during this life ('theosis'), as well as resurrection after this life ('salvation').



In sum; life may be regarded as what it spiritually is; that is, an adventure and a quest.

We must therefore engage-with evil, and the business of identifying and rejecting evil is a by-product of our positive spiritual goals.

Since God is the Creator, and is Good, and Loves us each as His child; our personal life-situation has been set-up so that nobody can be defeated except by his own choice, and we can all succeed in the end - if that is what we really want to do.



So, we should strive not for an ideal of asceticism, but for an ideal of high-hearted and hope-full confidence; with faith that, no matter what the demon-dominated world throws-at-us; we are equipped to beat it.

Bruce G Charlton
12th June 2023, 07:34
Among all the many Litmus Test agenda issues (https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/search?q=litmus+tests) - which are all very important strategies of evil - what is the most important issue for the most powerful of the demonic factions?



One can only infer such things indirectly; but I think two things are apparent.

The first is that the Great Reset stuff - the Ahrimanic (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548245&viewfull=1#post1548245) grand-plan which purports to build-upon the world coup of 2020 to create a new global totalitarianism - is increasingly a deliberate distraction from an increasingly merely-destructive, spitefully-motivated, agenda - focused on the Fire Nation (https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2022/03/the-fire-nation-litmus-test-negativism.html) war.

My feeling is that almost everyone - even Christians on the right side of the spiritual war and Litmus Tests - is misunderstanding what has been and is going-on across the board; but especially in the FN business.

I shall try and be plain: The side of evil is not trying to "win" anymore.



What I mean is that - at the very highest level of evil-power and evil-influence - They are not trying to achieve any particular end result

They are not trying to achieve a carbon-zero world, not trying to cool the global climate, not trying to make an inverted world of sexual liberation; nor do they intend or hope to unite the world under a single demonic-controlled bureaucracy with a unified mass media... Nor do they intend to defeat the FN in the current war.

Not any more.



All of these issues are Now merely means to a destructive end, excuses for destroying whatever is of God, whatever is Good, whatever is divinely-created, whatever is residually Christian - They seek to destroy even whatever is simply functional - including, and this is vital to realize, that which is functional within the agenda of evil.



In this respect the FN conflict has become the single major issue for the powers of evil.

While the conflict has been ignored or trivialized among some, and regarded as a traditional two-sided war of conflicting objectives by a minority of others...

While all this has been going on, step-by-step we are being walked-into all-out and uncontainable WWIII - the objective of which is not victory but chaos and mass destruction on a scale far beyond anything seen in the history of the world.

The pieces are already in place, and the inertial momentum is rolling, and nobody with power or influence on the side of The West has even spoken against it, never mind opposing it.

Quite the contrary, the leadership class of all Western nations are united in pursuit of an agenda which will lead to the annihilation of the countries they purport to represent: starting-with Europe and the UK, and extending outwards... who knows how or where exactly?

As things stand here-and-now; WWIII gets closer every week, and Will Happen.



We can only see what we comprehend; and if we want to understand what is being-unrolled and implemented inexorably - we must first understand the nature and reality of Sorathic evil (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548245&viewfull=1#post1548245) - understand its spiteful motivation and destructive aims.

Which means recognizing, understanding - and repenting: that is rejecting as evil - such impulses within our-selves.

I am not claiming that this insight could happen sufficiently widely and swiftly to stop and reverse where we are heading in the world; but, for sure, nothing positive can happen (globally, nationally, in our hearts) unless understanding first happens.



Because when an evil dominates the world; it is imperative that it become known as such.

Ernie Nemeth
12th June 2023, 14:28
I do not know why we chose this dream as the primary reality.

We are shown each night how easily we are fooled by our dreams.

This waking dream we call reality is just as inconsistent as any nightmare. While in it, the nightmare is as real as the waking state.

And it is in reference to this dream that we compare all other realities, including the one we will, or do, or did, share with our Creator.

We love this dream so much we cling to it with our last erg of energy - just one more breath, one more day, before death takes us.

There is no evil, only bad choices from which evil must arise.
There is no reality, except the one we share with our Creator.

Evil is the sign that we have chosen wrongly.
Choose the right 'dream' and evil dissolves and is no more.

Somnambulants must learn that dreams are manifestations of the desire to create.

But dreamers cannot create because they are asleep. So they create nightmares instead.

The nature of evil is moot. The nature of the dreamer is the key.

Delight
14th June 2023, 03:01
The nature of evil is moot. The nature of the dreamer is the key.

I remember the story about Alice, the Lady In Number 6. One quote from her was "I know about the Bad but I live in the Good". She literally never ate food to give what she had to eat to her son when they were being starved in a concentration camp. She lived on music which is the force of God for her.

Inspirational, pianist, Holocaust Survivor, Alice Herz-Sommer - 109 years old
A Senhora do Nº6 - Alice Herz-Sommer

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This force can literally feed the body and it is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent. It also is with us where we are and can guide us through and out of the hell of the terrible choices being made by asleep robotic dreamers. If WE deny the Presence, it cannot enter in our dream. Religion can actually keep us from accessing miracles. IMO we are meant to waken in the dream and experience Good.

How we each can live in the Good is OUR CHOICE. I have been to listening so many testimonies of the miraculous. I choose to have miracles.

I think I had one today when my truck went down and THERE on the Ford lot was the 2018 Subaru Outback with 55,500 miles. This is the exact car I wanted to buy (but had not planned on having today). I drove it home and there are many details of confirmation for me that in MY life, the dream is getting more and more beautiful. I decline to live in a nightmare with No Recourse. Others are having their dreams.

My music which feeds me is that I KNOW I am in MY dream and that I have authority over it. More and more of us KNOW and the narrative of a destined evil fades away.