Why don't The Masses acknowledge their oppression?

[Bruce G Charlton]

What follows in an excerpt from a guest-post from Serhei on my Notions blog today. You may wish to read the whole thing (https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2023/04/what-if-absence-of-christian-slaves.html) to get its full impact - which is potentially considerable IMO.


The original piece is about the phenomenon seen among many self-identified, and apparently devout, Christians whereby they go-along-with the evil strategies of the globalist totalitarians - and do repent their support of evil, apparently not even privately.

But this explanatory hypothesis can also be seen as a deep explanation for how the law of attraction (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8oUqMbWYYs) works in modern conditions and the consciousness of modern mass Man. In brief: the way that people (overall and in the long term) attract the conditions that they - in a spiritual sense - are 'asking-for'.

Both Serhei and myself tend to regard the law of attraction in terns of the 'evolutionary development of human consciousness' as described by Rudolf Steiner and Owen Barfield. This has it that modern Western consciousness (the consciousness soul) is, for the first time in history, detached from the divine consciousness of creation; therefore Man creates his own reality to a greater extent than ever before.


This leads on to the question of why, if this is the case, and people could choose otherwise; so many Men create such a malign reality?

Why do they fail to recognize their oppression, argue against its actuality; lack either courage or the ability to dissent even inwardly?

Why can't they (or won't they) repent their own coerced collusion in sin? (When one might suppose it easier to notice and repent some behaviour that had been forced-upon us.)

Why it is so difficult - often impossible - to persuade so-many people of what ought-to-be obvious truths about the globalists plans and the obvious evil motivation of the leadership class? (When there is so much evidence of evil intent - so little evidence that They are working for the well-being of the masses.)


Also the question of why a modern Christian 'slave', who is apparently compelled by his Totalitarian Masters to go-against his faith and actively-support the work of evil or else lose his friends and family/ status/ job/ safety; fails to feel this conflict; and ends-up calling the imposed evil good, and revises the doctrines and practices of Church-Christianity to make it so!

That is the area which Serhei is addressing here:


Supposing that consciousness has evolved to the extent that people are more-able to choose their state of being and unrelentingly translate their Desires into Reality... it would follow that nowadays a Christian-slave who genuinely does not wish to be a slave, who genuinely-Desires to be free... will almost-always find a way to act on that desire and smash his chains with the cooperation of other Beings that share his desire for freedom.

This is unlike past eras where a Christian-slave may be stuck in this suboptimal state for a much longer time. Now, attaining freedom may not be a pleasant process -- but by undergoing moderate or intense hardship the Christian-slave proves that his desire is stronger than mere 'incentives'.

Those who are left-behind in chains are increasingly, not always, but ever-more, those who chose and continue to choose their chains, which makes it seem like physical- and spiritual-submission beget one another.

This seems, in some ways, like a cruel doctrine ("you are only oppressed because you chose to be").

In other ways, it seems like a sign of increased responsibility and power of choice in the modern era.

Any coercive-tactic that meets with spiritual-rejection will fail, which is why the recent persecutions are remarkable for their 'voluntary' character, why there is so much emphasis on demanding gestures of obedience, apology, etc., and so much hatred when those gestures are not offered. Why the System feels so much more need for mind-control, and puts more emphasis on totalitarian (we dictate what you may think) rather than authoritarian (we dictate what you may do) ideologies.

It is increasingly not possible to enforce measures on people who do not agree to them. Which is why the [pandemic] measures reversed so rapidly and every authority went looking for a new, not-yet-worn-out fear for people to enslave themselves to.

Perhaps that’s a reason why things have not yet collapsed to-the-extent that they 'ought' to? Plenty of people want to drown-in-destruction, but not enough; the public is still being sold on the idea.

It occurs to me that even things like [global warming] are sold primarily on the paradoxical idea that people ought to simultaneously hate and consciously wish-for and desire a [climate emergency] to manifest itself to, I don't know, spite the hypocrisy of civilization or something...

[thepainterdoug]

thanks Bruce I will try to read thorough later tonight but in reference to this/

"It occurs to me that even things like [global warming] are sold primarily on the paradoxical idea that people ought to simultaneously hate and consciously wish-for and desire a [climate emergency] to manifest itself to, I don't know, spite the hypocrisy of civilization or something..."

A wise friend told me, people love covid. They want it. It gives them meaning, purpose, a rally cry for a variety of reasons they are unaware of.

[palehorse]

thanks Bruce I will try to read thorough later tonight but in reference to this/

"It occurs to me that even things like [global warming] are sold primarily on the paradoxical idea that people ought to simultaneously hate and consciously wish-for and desire a [climate emergency] to manifest itself to, I don't know, spite the hypocrisy of civilization or something..."

A wise friend told me, people love covid. They want it. It gives them meaning, purpose, a rally cry for a variety of reasons they are unaware of.

hypocrisy and cynicism run high on any govnmt and elite circles, it is passed down the line to the common wealth of all nations (not only British), it is the same old game of acknowledging the monarchs in power, a "practical cooperation" that goes all the way down to the lay man working hard on a piece of land....... unless people are aware of that nothing will ever change, works on any level from top to bottom.

most people are not prepared to handle things on their own, they beg for help from their masters.

[Bill Ryan]

This may be part of the problem:

https://projectavalon.net/Goethe.gif

[O Donna]

I wager my enslaved ass that none of us knows what it is to be fully free.
The freedom we do have are all idols.
Dolls of the mind.
Toys in the attic.

To not be fully free is but a tease, no?

[Bill Ryan]

I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:


Interesting tweet:

https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/status/1562104516153147392
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[RunningDeer]

Transcribed:




How can I wake up my friends and family? So I'm going to answer this question that I get all the time. And it's an answer that sometimes people don't like to hear it but I'm gonna explain why I think it's true.

In evolutionary astrology way back in the 90s when a guy named Jeffrey Wolf Green founded this type of astrology, which is the type of astrology I practice. He stated that 70% of the population lives in a consensus state. Which is basically a herd mentality. So these are the literal NPC's of the world. So they don't form independent thought. When they want know what their opinions are on certain topics they just look to the external world. So these kinds of people will tend to get the most offended when you present them with certain views that go outside of their paradigm because their beliefs actually represent unconscious security needs.

So they unconsciously gain security, interest in the mainstream media, celebrities, the experts, the government. They basically can't really think for themselves so they seek security and outsourcing their opinions to the outer world. Moving from this consensus herd mentality to the next stage which is an individuated state is often a traumatic process. Because instead of trusting the external world like you always have, the government, the authorities, you actually have to learn how to trust self as an inner guidance system instead. And in order to do that you actually have to decondition and then do a lot of what you thought was true about yourself and the world in the process.

So this is a really alienating and lonely process by design because in order to discover who you are you actually have to separate from the herd to begin with. And the thing is you can't actually force people out of this state. It has to come from an inner calling, so it has to come from them realizing that there is something different inside of them that can't be explained by the expert, science, celebrities, government. And in my view it really takes a certain ripeness of the soul to even want to go down that path because it's not easy.


I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:


Interesting tweet:

https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/status/1562104516153147392
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[Bruce G Charlton]

I would urge commenters to go and re-read what Serhei suggests in the original post - and perhaps check-out the links there.

So far, I am not sure whether people are 'getting' the really interesting (and - to me - both novel and valuable) things that he is suggesting, regarding this perennial topic.

https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2023/04/what-if-absence-of-christian-slaves.html

In particular this is important, when taken in context: "Any coercive-tactic that meets with spiritual-rejection will fail, which is why the recent persecutions are remarkable for their 'voluntary' character..."

We were both struck by the fact that (in most places) governments refrained from making vax compliance legally-compulsory and impose it by force - but carefully phrased it as advisory, and always encouraged others (employers and other businesses) do do the regulating.

To us - this suggested that vax compliance was a spiritual strategy primarily. It was very important to Them that people would (at some level) agree to the vax; and this reminded us of the idea that (to be spiritually corrupting and damning) evil must be invited into the heart.

(Much as vampires must be invited to cross the threshold; otherwise they cannot.)

[Pam]

I remember being grateful at times for going to job I didn't really like, nor was I aligned with it's causes. The reason was that I found comfort in the "structure" of the job. The reality was that I found it easier to be told what to do. No one was directly standing over me and making me do anything, but there were specific tasks that were expected of me. It was so much easier than making my own decisions. In fact, I can now see how I really did embrace forfeiting my own freedom for the will of another. I wanted someone else to tell me what to do. At the time I saw it as a diversion from personal issues and a distraction from a low grade anxiety. The reality is that I most likely had a constant sense of anxiety and uneasiness from the very thing I was using to distract myself. It is the anxiety and uneasiness of living a life that was not the reality of my choosing at a deeper level it was the reality tunnel of someone or something else. In effect, I traded my autonomy for fiat currency.

Wow!!! This realization of the level of programming unconscious voluntary slavery is mind blowing.

That is actually a new understanding for me. The programming runs really deep.

[Pam]

I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:


Interesting tweet:

https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/status/1562104516153147392
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I wish I knew who this woman was because she articulates this truth so well. I would have loved to hear her entire talk but deeply appreciate that piece.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Being here in these bodies is the inviting...

[Delight]

I wish I knew who this woman was because she articulates this truth so well. I would have loved to hear her entire talk but deeply appreciate that piece.

That's Laura Matsue. She is married to Bernhard Guenther and they generally are very sharply refreshing in their critique of the awakened community. You can find her on twitter and telegram.

[Pam]

I wish I knew who this woman was because she articulates this truth so well. I would have loved to hear her entire talk but deeply appreciate that piece.

That's Laura Matsue. She is married to Bernhard Guenther and they generally are very sharply refreshing in their critique of the awakened community. You can find her on twitter and telegram.

Thanks Maggie! I actually found she has a website and a bunch of writings, some of them look as though they may fit in with this topic really well.

https://lauramatsue.com/writings/

[Delight]

Wow!!! This realization of the level of programming unconscious voluntary slavery is mind blowing.

That is actually a new understanding for me. The programming runs really deep.

It is mind blowing BUT maybe this is atually why we are here....to recognize the way the "mind" enslaves and find the way OUT. More and more I understand the meaning of being in an "illusion", in Maya and the way it has been described for as long as we have "historic references". DIS-illusionment is what happens when one realizes the UN-conscious way we "robots" operate and seeks to be conscious.

It is so weird the way we create in 3D what we ARE.... as in Maybe we are AI already...the sum of input of the programs. BUT what ELSE I am, I don't KNOW! In that context, are WE reaching the Singularity?

Frankly, it seems that everything one finds FAULT in another for doing, WE usually do. We project the script until we RE-cognize its a script. As a writer, it is often HARD to end the story. IMO we must CHOOSE to end the story consciously and that is why we MUST be disillusioned. It STOPS being of any use and then we CHOOSE to end it .

That is why IMO one should forgive and forget. I personally suspect I could stay in the story for eons trying to Right (write) all wrongs to "my" personal advantage or the advantage of mankind or wherever my focus lands.

The world is my mirror and I contemplate myself. I will now LOVE what I see as I will claim is ALL as me. I stop oppressing and oppression stops. That is what the masses can't acknowledge. Not only is there oppression but it's all "My" fault.

This is a MASTER class here. Not everyone will graduate and that is just fine as we have all time needed. It is just that some of us have repeated so many times that we just are sick and tired of the projections.

Irony, paradox and play
This is the reason we are here today.
Find the fun in being wrong,
Find the humour where life once stung,
Find the Joy of being stupid
See how LOVE is not just cupid!

STOP the press
Forget the rest
End the scene by accepting I DREAM.
By accepting I keep the characters in motion.
I allow the enslavement notion.

See how much we LIVE and learn
when first we hasten to discern:
HOW we have been at fault
we have enslaved the world
Despised ourselves we punished others

We have a zillion "years" to grasp this fact
we cannot change what we cannot own intact

WE (who we ARE) "I am" don't die
The time here passes (well it flies)
We probably will return UNLESS
we OWN our actions, CONFESS, repent
Turn around
Stand Upright, outside in and Frontwards facing down the truth.

We dreamed it up and live it out
We make the prison we worry about
We make the key when its "time" to bring us out

The upside down and inside out
The way of backwards SUITS to sort
The ones with SOUL
The ones with spirit
The ones where being squelched serves triggers
Wake up Dreamer and to YOUR SELF much BIGGER

Home awaits us SOON though we forgot to know
It's just the way the story Goes.

[O Donna]

I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:


Interesting tweet:

https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/status/1562104516153147392
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Some nitty gritty stuff right there!

Some may recall an echo from fiction that alludes to this psychological tug of war. Many reading this will know of this all too well:


Cypher : Ignorance is bliss. Cypher : I know what you're thinking, 'cause right now I'm thinking the same thing. Actually, I've been thinking it ever since I got here: Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?

The Matrix (1999) - Joe Pantoliano as Cypher

As far as I 'know', once the genie's out.....

Pandora's box is open.....

There's no unseeing what's been seen.

https://media.tenor.com/A8Ayxxe6QtQAAAAM/5d-ascension-third-eye.gif

Not entirely sure there was ever a conscious choice available on whether 'to see or not to see'.

Likened to an unseen force or perhaps curiosity killed the cat?
Digressing from OP so will pretend to put that cat back in the bag.

[Ashiris]

Transcribed:


How can I wake up my friends and family? So I'm going to answer this question that I get all the time. And it's an answer that sometimes people don't like to hear it but I'm gonna explain why I think it's true.

In evolutionary astrology way back in the 90s when a guy named Jeffrey Wolf Green founded this type of astrology, which is the type of astrology I practice. He stated that 70% of the population lives in a consensus state. Which is basically a herd mentality. So these are the literal NPC's of the world. So they don't form independent thought. When they want know what their opinions are on certain topics they just look to the external world. So these kinds of people will tend to get the most offended when you present them with certain views that go outside of their paradigm. Because their beliefs actually represent unconscious security needs.

So they unconsciously gain security, interest in the mainstream media, celebrities, the experts, the government. They basically can't really think for themselves. so they seek security and outsourcing their opinions to the outer world.

Moving from this consensus herd mentality to the next stage which is an individuated state is often a traumatic process. Because instead of trusting the external world like you always have, the government, the authorities, you actually have to learn how to trust self as an inner guidance system instead. And in order to do that you actually have to decondition and then do a lot of what you thought was true about yourself and the world in the process.

So this is a really alienating and lonely process by design because in order to discover who you are you actually have to separate from the herd to begin with. And the thing is you can't actually force people out of this state it Has to come from an inner calling, So it has to come from them realizing that there is something different inside of them that can't be explained by the expert, science, celebrities, government. And in my view it really takes a certain ripeness of the soul to even want to go down that path because it's not easy.

I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:


Interesting tweet:

https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/status/1562104516153147392
1562104516153147392

a longer version


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1J9KUIlbbM

[Bright Skies]

I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:


Interesting tweet:

https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/status/1562104516153147392
1562104516153147392

Thank you very much mizo and Bill Ryan for posting this speech and to all the other posters.

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Hint: When I have been away from checking the forums for a while I always find searching Bill Ryan's recent posts one of the best ways to quickly stay up-to-date on topics of importance: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?do=finduser&userid=6&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1
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I searched the Twitter thread and found the woman's name and then discovered Delight had already posted her name: Laura Matsue

Thank you. I have listed her sites down and I must research her work further.

There are some very interesting links to articles on her Twitter feed including articles regarding the so-called vaccine and the spiritual agenda. These articles certainly resonated with me:

https://twitter.com/lauramatsue/status/1636220913816604672?cxt=HHwWgMDU4ZCQg7UtAAAA

The COVID mRNA vaxx: Impact on Future Incarnations and the Transhumanism Trap
https://twitter.com/veilofreality/status/1636210945172340736

By Bernhard Guenther, May 24, 2022
COVID Vaccines – Consequences For The Soul, Spirit, And Life After Death
https://veilofreality.com/2022/05/24/covid-vaccines-consequences-on-the-soul-spirit-and-life-after-death/

By Bernhard Guenther, December 15, 2022
The A.I. Transhumanism Occult Trap And The Way Out
https://veilofreality.com/2022/12/15/the-a-i-transhumanism-occult-trap-and-the-way-out/

Here in Australia the government are still pushing the so-called vaccine with desperation – and unfortunately some COVID cultists who view their government as their benevolent protector very much looked forward with excitement and lined up for their fifth jab without any hesitation. Perhaps the above articles hint at the ultimate reason why the jabs were pushed so much and are still being pushed. The agenda is not limited to this earthly realm.

Stay safe all – physically, mentally and spiritually.

:heart:

[T Smith]

Following the evolutionary development of human consciousness described by Rudolf Steiner et. all, the enslavement appears to be some kind of governor on creating reality. Who/what installed this governor is anyone's guess, but its purpose is to check the majority of people in this collective experience of ours from creating reality per their wishes and desires. In this quasi-lame state, many humans, while in a veritable time-out, decry to their captors, hold us back for we know not what we do!! We are noble souls! We are a Divine species! We're just not ready! Enslave us! Please!


Why it is so difficult - often impossible - to persuade so-many people of what ought-to-be obvious truths about the globalists plans and the obvious evil motivation of the leadership class? (When there is so much evidence of evil intent - so littleevidence that They are working for the well-being of the masses.)

There is really only one logical conclusion to this question, then, and that is, many people want to be enslaved. So the real question is, why do they want to be enslaved?

I would submit their enslavement, in itself, is a form of repentance in a self-disengaged state of Being sans the capacity to think. An iteration of Flagellantism, if you will. A repentance of the mind.


Also the question of why a modern Christian 'slave', who is apparently compelled by his Totalitarian Masters to go-against his faith and actively-support the work of evil or else lose his friends and family/ status/ job/ safety; fails to feel this conflict; and ends-up calling the imposed evil good, and revises the doctrines and practices of Church-Christianity to make it so!

This is a more tricky question to answer, but I believe it's either a self-induced agreement with the soul to numb the mind (anesthetize the pain of cognitive dissonance, essentially), by way of program, or, perhaps more pernicious, a state of mind cast upon the afflicted by an outside power/influence. In any case, the effect is no different from taking a pain pill, i.e., I am devout and will repent, and will take my punishment, but please knock me out first! (After all, it's the humane thing to do...)

The problem is--and this is where we venture into consequences--I believe there are unintended side effects to taking this pill. The Christian Slave is highly vulnerable to--at the very least susceptible to--Ahrimanic obeisance and is at risk of damnation (only for lack of a better word), because she/he no longer has faculty of heart. Which is in state of disconnect by some drug, program, hypnosis, psychological technology, etc., either soul-induced or otherwise. In other words, what is being judged are the actions of unconscious Being, the heart, with the mind in time-out.

The most profound question, then, what is the appropriate way for the conscious to judge that?

[Wind]

Man, know thyself.

"The first reason for people's slavery is our ignorance, and above all, our ignorance of ourselves."

~ G. I. Gurdjieff

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-crowd-neither-wants-nor-seeks-knowledge-and-the-leaders-of-the-crowd-in-their-own-g-i-gurdjieff-113-74-46.jpg

[Icare]

That Gurdjieff quote is so true, Wind, thank you for posting it.

So is the Goethe quote, Bill, thank you. And the young woman in the clip put very well.

I think our most important task now is to remember who we really are, we all know, but many of us find it very difficult to access that information.

It's currently getting more and more important to concentrate on that and connect with our Higher Selves.

That's the real freedom we have on this planet: remembering who we really are and doing what we know in our hearts to be right.

[Bruce G Charlton]

Following the evolutionary development of human consciousness described by Rudolf Steiner et. all, the enslavement appears to be some kind of governor on creating reality. Who/what installed this governor is anyone's guess, but its purpose is to check the majority of people in this collective experience of ours from creating reality per their wishes and desires. In this quasi-lame state, many humans, while in a veritable time-out, decry to their captors, hold us back for we know not what we do!! We are noble souls! We are a Divine species! We're just not ready! Enslave us! Please!


Why it is so difficult - often impossible - to persuade so-many people of what ought-to-be obvious truths about the globalists plans and the obvious evil motivation of the leadership class? (When there is so much evidence of evil intent - so littleevidence that They are working for the well-being of the masses.)

There is really only one logical conclusion to this question, then, and that is, many people want to be enslaved. So the real question is, why do they want to be enslaved?

I would submit their enslavement, in itself, is a form of repentance in a self-disengaged state of Being sans the capacity to think. An iteration of Flagellantism, if you will. A repentance of the mind.


Also the question of why a modern Christian 'slave', who is apparently compelled by his Totalitarian Masters to go-against his faith and actively-support the work of evil or else lose his friends and family/ status/ job/ safety; fails to feel this conflict; and ends-up calling the imposed evil good, and revises the doctrines and practices of Church-Christianity to make it so!

This is a more tricky question to answer, but I believe it's either a self-induced agreement with the soul to numb the mind (anesthetize the pain of cognitive dissonance, essentially), by way of program, or, perhaps more pernicious, a state of mind cast upon the afflicted by an outside power/influence. In any case, the effect is no different from taking a pain pill, i.e., I am devout and will repent, and will take my punishment, but please knock me out first! (After all, it's the humane thing to do...)

The problem is--and this is where we venture into consequences--I believe there are unintended side effects to taking this pill. The Christian Slave is highly vulnerable to--at the very least susceptible to--Ahrimanic obeisance and is at risk of damnation (only for lack of a better word), because she/he no longer has faculty of heart. Which is in state of disconnect by some drug, program, hypnosis, psychological technology, etc., either soul-induced or otherwise. In other words, what is being judged are the actions of unconscious Being, the heart, with the mind in time-out.

The most profound question, then, what is the appropriate way for the conscious to judge that?

Some good analysis here - thank you.

I was particularly struck by; "their enslavement, in itself, is a form of repentance in a self-disengaged state of Being sans the capacity to think."

Its tricky to articulate, and much more profound than 'cognitive dissonance' (which does Not seem to be experienced as a problem by 99% of 'sufferers'); but there is a vast and increasing mis-match between the inner and outer, the subjective and the objective, the communal ad the personal etc. This rift through life induces such a looming threat of existential dread and guilt especially among the 'nicest' and most pro-social people...

Steiner clearly recognized that conscious spiritual knowledge and understanding was going to be the key in our age; and that the unconscious/ automatic/ obedience-based ways of the past could no longer suffice - but would indeed lead to inevitable disaster.

This is the difficulty. I think many or most people unconsciously-assume that Men are all fundamentally alike everywhere and at all times in history - and therefore see human history as repeating itself or going-nowhere. But if there is a linearity and development to history, and if that development is driven by changing consciousness of Men (on average); then the core problems now in The West differ from those of 500, 1000, 2000, or 50,000 years ago. What worked well-enough then, may do active harm now.

(And be different in different current societies - for instance, this may be reflected in the separation of Russia, China and other nations from Western-based globalism. In particular - and Steiner noted this - Russia's spiritual destiny is different from that of Western Europe, UK, USA etc - and that is emerging, so far. On the other hand; the destined-distinctive spiritual role of Central Europe and Germany is being coercively-obliterated by The West with a great deal of collusion from Germany itself - again driven by an existential dread and guilt and willed cultural self-genocide that has been actively inculcated in Germany since 1945, and especially since the middle 1960s. Germany is a bigger version of the condition of Western Man - the idea that the best and only only 'safe' way to deal with the evil-tendencies in a human being or social entity - is to tranquillize, imprison and enslave... Without even asking about the nature and motivations of the Slave Masters, the Globalist Billionaire class - and what ideals and order They are serving.)

Steiner and Barfield both correctly (IMO) saw that these problems arising from 'spirit denial' and refusal to become conscious and understand the world of spirit, would continue to grow and reach an inflexion point around the millennium, after which matters would deteriorate more rapidly.

[Matthew]

...In particular this is important, when taken in context: "Any coercive-tactic that meets with spiritual-rejection will fail, which is why the recent persecutions are remarkable for their 'voluntary' character..."

We were both struck by the fact that (in most places) governments refrained from making vax compliance legally-compulsory and impose it by force - but carefully phrased it as advisory, and always encouraged others (employers and other businesses) do do the regulating.

To us - this suggested that vax compliance was a spiritual strategy primarily. It was very important to Them that people would (at some level) agree to the vax; and this reminded us of the idea that (to be spiritually corrupting and damning) evil must be invited into the heart.

(Much as vampires must be invited to cross the threshold; otherwise they cannot.)

One of my friends who got the jab told me he did it out of consideration for others. That fits the character profile of my other friends who got jabbed. That's one of the big segments in the pie-chart of my jabbed friends. And I wonder if the other big segment are people who got jabbed because "I'm Science person". They are all very well informed but from mainstream only. So informed by lies. So they made them feel like they were good people doing the right thing.

The bedrock lie here is that getting jabbed stops transmission, and also throw in asymptomatic transmission. Those lies came full force from the press/state from all our countries, enabled by PCR tests using a very dodgy rate of sensitivity that has come under non-stop criticism, even from the test's creator.

So they knew the right lie. Add in that it's hard to cerebrally think under fear, straight out of the MKUltra playbook. Behavioral psychologists and social engineering are what they needed, and what they got and still have.

It's hard to see how predictable we are as creatures. People are still surprised that fruit machines pay out a fixed percent of cash inserted, and it's not random. Fruit machines also use behavioral psychology, and the trick as a punter is to pass an opportunity, rather than take every opportunity presented.

Obedience has a large part to play. People have been bait and switched from science to obedient religion but they haven't noticed. They still think they're following science! The only science they're following is behavioral science.

[Matthew]

About the twitter video echoed in this thread. I don't think 'NPC's are impossible to get through to, that feels like dehumanising them. I might currently hate all my friends who swallow the lies then replay them, but they aren't lost forever. I think hypnotism rates are more useful here, something like 20%~~ are lost forever, 20%~~ can't even be hypnotized, and the remaining 60% have some hope. I live in hope anyway. Not sure that 70% demarcation is a useful way to park those thoughts :confused:

[Bruce G Charlton]

@Matthew - "The only science they're following is behavioral science."

There is something in that - but not enough to explain why modern people so casually-ignore what were (for maybe 1000s of years) regarded as innate instincts. There are many examples, but the transagenda (instantly obliterating personal experience, common sense, many generations of evolution - and, almost incidentally, starkly denying the basis of most biology/ natural history) is maybe the most extreme of these.

Something is new and different is afoot - which is why I continually recur to the Steiner/ Barfield insights about the evolutionary development of human consciousness - the modern change in the way we 'construct' the world we inhabit.

People now experience what they want to believe in a way not previously possible, and this is (in the West anyway) essentially unavoidable. For example, modern atheism/ secularism, our disbelief in the spirit/ soul/ afterlife etc, our rejection of any purpose or meaning to life or the universe... Such casual (and comprehensive) nihilism of our fundamental assumptions, was apparently impossible for the vast majority of human beings in history. It is something new.

So, I think the core problem is how and why people choose to believe The System... over-and-again, despite frequent reversals and exposed lies; when it ought to be clear that The System desires nothing more than their psych-physical torment and spiritual destruction. Believe The System and embrace their own spiritual and physical enslavement to evil Masters - when they could believe almost anything!

(As relatively recent Christian a sometimes pretty aggressive atheist/ materialist from age six to my mid- forties - I know both sides pretty well. I now find it astonishing that I ever wanted Heaven and eternal resurrected life Not to be true! It wasn't mainly or just that I did not believe eternal life was true - because even if I had been convinced it was factually available to me and by my choice, there were significant periods of my adult life when I would have rejected it!)

[palehorse]

So they knew the right lie. Add in that it's hard to cerebrally think under fear, straight out of the MKUltra playbook. Behavioral psychologists and social engineering are what they needed, and what they got and still have.

It's hard to see how predictable we are as creatures. People are still surprised that fruit machines pay out a fixed percent of cash inserted, and it's not random. Fruit machines also use behavioral psychology, and the trick as a punter is to pass an opportunity, rather than take every opportunity presented.

Obedience has a large part to play. People have been bait and switched from science to obedient religion but they haven't noticed. They still think they're following science! The only science they're following is behavioral science.



Not for Mitnick as a social engineer in his earlier phreaking days and actually many others, I remember reading his book on the subject (The art of deception) and it was a real kick in the brain, without saying he got a huge sense of humor, nowadays he seems to be part of the fat cat club of globalist enterprises of the world.

Con man comes to mind, they can read people inside out easily. The politically correct is easy target for all sort of things, read patterns and take action, it is actually very simple mindset, now imagine what AI can do with that.. who to blame?

[Matthew]

There's a compound effect: the backdrop of decades of social programming, the erosion of civilization's archtypes and patterns, and more recently a marked increase in coordinated social engineering by synchronized nation states, on a backdrop of fear. It's a complex web some strands going back possibly hundreds of years ...deconstructing by reverse engineering where we are is going to be hard.

So my money is on a multitude of factors, some that got more strong over the last three years, some have gotten very strong over the last forty years, then they worked together and got cohesive, then soon all the elements combined will get stronger yet and give birth to something like a Chinese social credit control system, with tracked digital currency and spying lampposts. We've been polyfu%*~@.

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2010/12/23/gulliver-s-travels-gt-524_rgb-a07bc399b7b52e4ccb0215d9f46d8cf0adfe216e-s1100-c50.jpg
No one strand is difficult to break.

But my last thought is if my friends didn't believe they were sacrificing a sore arm for other peoples health they wouldn't have bothered. I almost forgot my piechart segment of friends and family who got jabbed so they could go on holiday. But it doesn't break my heart as much as the friends who did so believing they did it for others .

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

So, I think the core problem is how and why people choose to believe The System... over-and-again, despite frequent reversals and exposed lies;

Because if you tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth (said Joseph Goebbels...)

And it's true. Many, perhaps most, don't understand that - or more correctly, they won't. No matter what you tell them, show them, even prove to them, the "truth" [as they see it] is too deeply engrained to be removed. Because it's based on belief, on what they've been told, what they've been persuaded to agree with [not discover or examine for themselves].

Beliefs are something cherished, like a comforter to a child. They cannot give it up for fear of the trauma it would cause. Eventually, however, it must, and it will - in order to grow, but it must do so independently, usually via some catalysing event or new perception that triggers a [self] realisation - just as the astrologer lady presented in this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116412-Breaking-it-gently-how-do-I-inform-the-uninformed-about-what-is-really-happening&p=1514261&viewfull=1#post1514261).

[Tyy1907]

Many are walking wounded from many lifetimes of oppression and subjugation. Simply going through the motions for their families, looking to their neighbour's for validity in their actions. A holding pattern largely.

Those with an intuitive side can see above the fray. These ones are targetted so they can be disarmed. There are MANY tactics used on them to sideline them by character assassination, drugs, alcohol, misdirection etc. Divine alignment and protection is the solution.

[norman]

So, I think the core problem is how and why people choose to believe The System... over-and-again, despite frequent reversals and exposed lies;

Because if you tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth (said Joseph Goebbels...)

And it's true. Many, perhaps most, don't understand that - or more correctly, they won't. No matter what you tell them, show them, even prove to them, the "truth" [as they see it] is too deeply engrained to be removed. Because it's based on belief, on what they've been told, what they've been persuaded to agree with [not discover or examine for themselves].

Beliefs are something cherished, like a comforter to a child. They cannot give it up for fear of the trauma it would cause. Eventually, however, it must, and it will - in order to grow, but it must do so independently, usually via some catalysing event or new perception that triggers a [self] realisation - just as the astrologer lady presented in this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116412-Breaking-it-gently-how-do-I-inform-the-uninformed-about-what-is-really-happening&p=1514261&viewfull=1#post1514261).

The woman in that ["this post"] Twitter video is Laura Matsue. She and her partner Bernhard Guenther have a website and podcast.

The website (https://veilofreality.com/the-cosmic-matrix-podcast/)

Audio podcasts list (https://podbay.fm/p/the-cosmic-matrix)


Laura points out that WHAT people believe the truth to be is NOT the primary issue. It's secondary to HOW they believe what they believe. Her primary point in that video is the process and achievement of INDIVIDUATION.

Individuation itself can me badly misunderstood and has become the pivot point in the "spiritual" battle we are in.

The external 'matrix' world masters and drivers frame an individuated person as a freak rebelling against the sensible and intelligent progression towards a singular unity of the species. They pretty much have a tick box list of milestones towards that and have many of those boxes already ticked.

The truly individuated person has a reorientated and spiritual inner path towards a spiritual singularity. External matrix world intellectual validity and evidence for such a singularity doesn't exist so cannot be explained in those externalized terms.

True individuated faith, fully shared, is the ultimate singularity, and makes the effort of the scientific singularists look pathetic, at best.

[Jamie]

I wonder the same, even when it comes to my own reality and desire for a stable life.
I guess...

Sanity is a cozy lie.
- Susan Sontag

[ExomatrixTV]

...
So the moment you face people who think that they have the "moral high ground (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_high_ground)" feeling that they are "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" judging anyone who do not blindly follow nor blindly trust the mainstream narratives <<< even if it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, how many times mainstream have lied, deceived us all in the past, misrepresented, falsely accused critics etc. etc. THEY STILL THINK "they know better than you" .... :facepalm: ... which is of course pathetic & appalling!

The few things that are "spiritually correct" is to leave them with (profound and/or essential, intelligent) questions they themselves have to answer in an honest way (not immediately, but as soon they are able to investigate it for themselves) ... if they still refuse to think about these key-questions >>> it is their Karma (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma) including their children and loved ones that can suffer for being a willful ignorant.


In a court of law, "ignorance of the law" is no defense! (https://www.facebook.com/FutureFirstCriminalLaw/videos/can-ignorance-of-the-law-be-a-defense/3168007500107117) ....

In a court of life, "willful ignorance" is not "bliss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLv6ycYcpGI)" ... as it has a way of being educated by an unfolding reality.

If you are able and succeed not to stay in anger nor being in a perpetual frustration mode and only ask some key-questions, then let it go without assuming good or bad results ... You just did what you could and your energy is based upon CARE (love :heart:) for your fellow humans without projecting future doom scenarios too much (that's key!)... because that kind of energy is what ignorants can feel/sense radiating from me & you if we are on that level .... which is a human thing to do .... If you or me are able to do that, you will see your "planted seeds of considerations" for the willful ignorants works like a "splinter in their brains" (quoting Morpheus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6T69LFIg1k) from the movie "The Matrix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix)") .... Meaning that seed (in their brains) will grow as reality will catch up to vindicate your warnings, predictions & insights ... So yes to "let go" of expectations is key as you have done what you could ... The rest is up to them.


You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

This is how I avoid spiritual poisons most of the time ... but not always, depends on who it is and what my "state of mind/being" at that moment was.

--o-O-o--

ps. maybe we can brainstorm what kind of questions are key to have a long-term effect on those who are willing to listen ... depending on the topic/issue, of course.


He or she that asks the right questions has a better chance of finding the answers we need to move forward and prevent unnecessary suffering.
He or she that asks the wrong questions has no chance finding the right answers we need!
The framing of questions done by mainstream is often full of false assumptions. And the quality of these questions can easily be tested in the all vindication-precesses that happened for people who were way ahead of their times.

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/user/27474914.f5b631e7.160x160o.f6c78faaf102@2x.png (https://whynotnews.eu/)

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://whynotnews.eu/) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
March 31st, 2023 🦜🦋🌳


source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120838-Spiritual-poison&p=1550135&viewfull=1#post1550135)
For believers proof is not necessary ... for non-believers proof is never good enough or "impossible" ... both believers & non-believers suk! (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120277-Red-Pilled-Dr.-John-Campbell-s-Awakening-The-End-of-Evidence-Based-Medicine&p=1536238&viewfull=1#post1536238)
The Psychology of Totalitarianism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism&highlight=Psychology+Totalitarianism)


Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere (willful) ignorance and conscientious stupidity.



- Martin Luther King

[ExomatrixTV]

Part of the "Nature of Evil" being so successful is, that they need good people believing the lies & deceptions they push >>> so that good people will help their deceptive agenda unfold faster and more effective ... Good people using unlimited creative potential helping the scam continue & succeed. Often (hypnotized) good people are much better in deceiving other (potential) victims if they blindly trust & believe the spoon-fed unchallenged narratives (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) given to them.

When good people authentically FEEL GOOD thinking they are doing the "right thing" and "work from the hart" having "only good intentions" is far more persuasive, meanwhile not realizing how far the sophisticated (psychological) deception (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset) they are part of helped with their actions. And now the kicker: it is all based upon "free will".


I assume Evil loves it when good people police each-other to "fit in" the tunnel vision narratives (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) they injected!

"Nature of Evil" is per definition parasitical in nature. ... Evil may think that you have to "respect power"... "the more power the more respect I suppose to give" ... I certainly do not, because of a simple logic I created, and I quote myself:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png "He or she that needs power of others, (needs to control others) ... makes a clear statement: ... that they do not have it ... if you know how to empower yourself first .., you do not need to have "power over others" anymore ... you resonate with like-minded spirits who know how to empower themselves too and some of them get inspired by you walking the talk ... doing similar things that empowers oneself and thus inspiring others to do the same!


Real "empowered from within" sovereign individuals, taking full responsibility for their quality of thinking, are the opposite of parasites and (pathetic) wannabe control-freaks.

You and I and anyone else ... are always more than all thoughts you had, have, and going to have combined ... (let that sink in for a moment) ... To fixate on any tunnel vision narrative (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) is exactly what they want you/us to do ... That is how they control us all ... but only if we let them! ... Just because you think (assume) the majority will let them ... does not mean it is the case ... it is just a thought you give way too much power over your limited perceptions of the world ... That is why I say: "Outsmart Defeatism" ... Every day we are bombarded with limited "perceptions" serving pessimism or optimism, and both have flaws ...


Anyone who can talk can be "brilliant pessimistic" but that is not a sign of intelligence ... Being brilliant optimistic and back it up, using all your creative potential to do exactly that is the first sign of real intelligence ... even if you make (some) mistakes, you always can learn from it and move on!



When I see someone using his or her unlimited creative potential to be a "brilliant pessimist" >>> I remind that person that it is a choice! ... You can also choose to do the opposite and learn how to become good at it, then when you actually have results you not only will help yourselves but humanity as well ... Having a permanent "victim mentality" mostly leads to much more "poor me" victim reality ... Time to go beyond the conditioning >>> Free Your Mind!

In a quantum morphogenetic field (https://www.sheldrake.org/research/morphic-resonance/introduction), people can "tap into" the fear based collectivistic (https://johnshalom.com/individualism-vs-collectivism/) (hive mind) version of that field, by choice! ... The same goes for the opposite! ... and both sides can experience the "confirmation bias feedback loop".


So, what does that really mean?

˙plǝᴉɟ snoᴉɔsuoɔqns ǝʌᴉʇɔǝlloɔ ǝʌᴉssɐɯ ǝɥʇ ɟo uoᴉsɹǝʌ pɐq ʎllɐǝɹ ǝɥʇ oʇ uᴉ (pǝddɐɹʇ) pǝʞɔns ǝq uɐɔ s puᴉɯ s,ǝldoǝd ɟo suoᴉllᴉɯ suɐǝɯ ʇI

So, in short: we all are spiritually tested!

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://whynotnews.eu) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
March 19th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳


source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)
Would Abuse of Power on a Massive Scale be Possible Without These 25 Points? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120716-Would-Abuse-of-Power-on-a-Massive-Scale-be-Possible-Without-These-25-Points)
The Psychology of Totalitarianism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism&highlight=Psychology+Totalitarianism)

[ExomatrixTV]

If telepathic mind control were real, one individual could retain only a finite number of people to mind control at one time. Possibly, if attempting to mind control a crowd from astral form above it, upwards of 50,000 could be mind controlled at once - if the mind controlling entity has enough retention to send signals to 50,000 people simultaneously!

It becomes a bigger operation if the mind controlling agencies have more than one person. & perhaps 100% accurate prophecy. Their might consists of the combined retentions of their entire military! Imagine 6millions of retention all on the same mind control goal.

I suspect the better prophets tend to win the game.

Meditation may be useful to broaden retention of one's own fate, and to utilize this retention to resist mind control efforts and assist others in resisting. If mind control should actually occur.

There is always, if Pushed, Pushing back. & unifying to achieve such ends. Anyone can build an astral army. So long as they can number astral friends volunteers.

All depends on how many people are sensitive to (carefully injected) suggestions or not ... minute amount of energy that is needed to "suggest" things very similar to "placebo effects" & "nocebo effects" that has an impact or not is KEY to understand how Mass Hypnotism / NLP techniques / Mass Formation Psychosis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism) works ...


The pre-conditioning that precedes the "mind control" operation is also a very important part to fully understand why it works faster or not.

Most people who do not want to question authorities nor want to be held accountable for their quality of thinking >>> conditioned to blindly follow orders "follow the herd" thinking.

They do that to because they are fully convinced they serve "the greater good" that is always bigger than their own (assumed) "selfish ego (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120534-Peeling-the-onion-discovering-Denial.&p=1542354&viewfull=1#post1542354)" and sacrifice common sense & logic to "serve & 'help' others" even if it is based upon provable lies they do not care as long they help "collectivistic ideals" that is bigger than themselves ... Playing/acting dumb is KEY to "fit in" and when you are doing it almost automatically you forgot you are just a willing part of the lies & deceptions.

F.E.A.R. = False "Evidence" Appearing Real ... When you know the difference between "Believe (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120651-Think-for-yourself-Melissa-and-Aaron-Dykes-Why-the-First-Amendment-is-First)" vs "Knowing For Sure" you understand who is easier to mind control.


All works very similar in the telepathic world ... not much difference ... maybe even faster depending on how you allow fear to take over your thoughts or not.
How many people are aware that part of the "mind control" effect is SELF-HYPNOTISM <<< let that sink in for a moment ... If you find a way to let millions do self-hypnotism without them realizing they did that to themselves, you actually have less effort to reach your end-goal of your mind control operation.

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://whynotnews.eu) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
March 1st, 2023 🦜🦋🌳


source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120671-Mind-Control-and-Retention&p=1545686&viewfull=1#post1545686)
Would Abuse of Power on a Massive Scale be Possible Without These 25 Points? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120716-Would-Abuse-of-Power-on-a-Massive-Scale-be-Possible-Without-These-25-Points)
The Psychology of Totalitarianism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism&highlight=Psychology+Totalitarianism)

[ExomatrixTV]

I'm no astrologer, but I found this short and very articulate explanation very compelling:


Interesting tweet:

https://twitter.com/UltraLandlord/status/1562104516153147392
1562104516153147392


Brilliant! :bump:


Laura Matsue


instagram.com/lauramatsue (https://www.instagram.com/lauramatsue)
thetimeoftransition.com/sales-page1651759954535 (https://www.thetimeoftransition.com/sales-page1651759954535)
veilofrealitycourses.thinkific.com (https://veilofrealitycourses.thinkific.com)
open.spotify.com/episode/50kRioNYTuAUpHEVMwnGHT (https://open.spotify.com/episode/50kRioNYTuAUpHEVMwnGHT)
veilofreality.com/membership-subscription-plan (https://veilofreality.com/membership-subscription-plan)
tiktok.com/@lauramatsue (https://www.tiktok.com/@lauramatsue)



Laura Matsue: Exploring Psychological and Spiritual Warfare

YVRieA-S1zw


twitter.com/lauramatsue (https://twitter.com/lauramatsue)
view.flodesk.com/pages/61a00505117f2e0a9bdc5b0c (https://view.flodesk.com/pages/61a00505117f2e0a9bdc5b0c)
lauramatsue.com (https://lauramatsue.com)



rumble.com/search/all?q=Laura%20Matsue (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Laura%20Matsue)
bitchute.com/search/?query=Laura%20Matsue (https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=laura%20matsue&kind=video)


--o-O-o--



2020 July 17th Project Avalon Forum Flashback:

https://whynotnews.eu/pix/2020-in-a-Nutshell-John-Kuhles.png (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111519-What-is-worse-...--Summarizing-2020-)


source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111519-What-is-worse-...--Summarizing-2020-)

[ExomatrixTV]

Tyrants Hate This 500 Year Old Trick for Ending Tyranny! (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111556-Tyrants-Hate-This-500-Year-Old-Trick-for-Ending-Tyranny-)

https://whynotnews.eu/pix/Politics-of-Obedience.png (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111556-Tyrants-Hate-This-500-Year-Old-Trick-for-Ending-Tyranny-)


source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111556-Tyrants-Hate-This-500-Year-Old-Trick-for-Ending-Tyranny-)
Politics-of-Obedience-PDF (https://cdn.mises.org/Politics%20of%20Obedience.pdf)

[norman]

Brilliant! :bump:


Laura Matsue


instagram.com/lauramatsue (https://www.instagram.com/lauramatsue)
thetimeoftransition.com/sales-page1651759954535 (https://www.thetimeoftransition.com/sales-page1651759954535)
veilofrealitycourses.thinkific.com (https://veilofrealitycourses.thinkific.com)
open.spotify.com/episode/50kRioNYTuAUpHEVMwnGHT (https://open.spotify.com/episode/50kRioNYTuAUpHEVMwnGHT)
veilofreality.com/membership-subscription-plan (https://veilofreality.com/membership-subscription-plan)
tiktok.com/@lauramatsue (https://www.tiktok.com/@lauramatsue)



Laura Matsue: Exploring Psychological and Spiritual Warfare

YVRieA-S1zw


twitter.com/lauramatsue (https://twitter.com/lauramatsue)
view.flodesk.com/pages/61a00505117f2e0a9bdc5b0c (https://view.flodesk.com/pages/61a00505117f2e0a9bdc5b0c)
lauramatsue.com (https://lauramatsue.com)



rumble.com/search/all?q=Laura%20Matsue (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Laura%20Matsue)
bitchute.com/search/?query=Laura%20Matsue (https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=laura%20matsue&kind=video)


--o-O-o--


To hear Laura address, specifically, the theme of this thread and it's OP, dive into this video at around the 20 minute mark.

[O Donna]

So, I think the core problem is how and why people choose to believe The System... over-and-again, despite frequent reversals and exposed lies;

Because if you tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth (said Joseph Goebbels...)

And it's true. Many, perhaps most, don't understand that - or more correctly, they won't. No matter what you tell them, show them, even prove to them, the "truth" [as they see it] is too deeply engrained to be removed. Because it's based on belief, on what they've been told, what they've been persuaded to agree with [not discover or examine for themselves].

Beliefs are something cherished, like a comforter to a child. They cannot give it up for fear of the trauma it would cause. Eventually, however, it must, and it will - in order to grow, but it must do so independently, usually via some catalysing event or new perception that triggers a [self] realisation - just as the astrologer lady presented in this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116412-Breaking-it-gently-how-do-I-inform-the-uninformed-about-what-is-really-happening&p=1514261&viewfull=1#post1514261).

The concept never really hits home for people until they discover (for themselves) a very long, very old lie. We live in a world of instant gratification and short attention spans. Ripe for pickens of the long con.


The bigger the trick the older the trick the easier it is to pull, based on two principles,
1 it can't be that old,
2, it can't be that big for so many people to fall for it - Revolver (2005)

[norman]

I revisited a very old podcast. The first proper episode of The Higherside Chats, episode 11, from May 2011.

In it, Michael Tsarion may have explained the answer to the question asked in the title of this thread. Even if he fails to get it right, he may launch you off in a direction where you find a better answer, for yourself.

He says "slavery" is a two sided relationship more than it is hard oppression.


I've chopped a 24 minute section out of the 2 hour podcast. and uploaded it to my box account here, where you can play it or download it.

THC011 - Michael Tsarion - Selected SectionA_(Selfhood denial) (https://app.box.com/s/34sx0htajzz9vdfn1uly3dk8n67j77lt)