The Shroud of Turin

[Applesprig]

a 20 min. Introduction to the subject in the below video.HK5ywLcl-Gs

a 2 hour more detailed science on the Shroud of Turin
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[ExomatrixTV]

Jack Sacco Reveals the Science of the Resurrection:

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A powerful & fascinating exploration of Jack Sacco's study of the Shroud of Turin and what it reveals about the science of the resurrection from forensic and quantum physics perspectives.

https://web.archive.org/web/20151127062607im_/http://www.stlouisshroudconference.com/images/about/shroud-of-turin.jpg

The Shroud of Turin is a centuries old linen cloth, about 14 feet long by 3½ feet wide, that bears the image of a crucified man. The twill is a 3-over-1 herringbone weave. It is bloodstained and shows faint front and back images of a man who, by the visible wounds, appears to have been crucified. He seems to be resting in burial repose. A man that millions believe to be Jesus of Nazareth. The ongoing debate is trying to determine if it really is the cloth that wrapped his crucified body, or is it simply a medieval forgery, a hoax perpetrated by some clever artist? Modern science has completed hundreds of thousands of hours of detailed study and intense research on the Shroud. It is, in fact, the single most studied artifact in human history, and we know more about it today than we ever have before.


There are also some Avalonian critics who created this forum thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46289-The-Shroud-of-Turin-is-FAKE..-)
Claims are made, but can they stand up to real scrutiny?

[Applesprig]

Yes I see the 2012 forum on the Shroud of Turin, they are long outdated and a freedom of investigation forced the carbon dating to be released in 2017 - the consensus is that the carbon dating is invalid. You probably know this. Only one person was crucified with a crown of thorns, "King of the Jews".

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

New study using state of the art techniques concludes Shroud maybe genuine, dates it to 2,000 years old :

New Discovery in the Shroud of Turin SHOCKS EVERYONE!!!
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[ExomatrixTV]

‘Face of Jesus' unveiled by A.I. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-) using the latest data of the Shroud of Turin.

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Creepy? Blasphemy? Appalling? Insulting? Or All the above?


Or maybe close to the truth?

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳


archived source: archive.ph/5fb59 (https://archive.ph/5fb59)

[Inversion]

A story about the shroud popped up on Dailymail today. New blood analysis suggests the biblical story is true. This is either a distraction story or designed by the Vatican bean counters to bolster parishioners.

Shroud of Turin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin#:~:text=The%20shroud%20is%20rectangular%2C%20measuring,hands%20folded%20across%20his %20groin.)

dailymail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13765919/shroud-turin-jesus-cloth-confirms-biblical-story.html)

The agonizing crucifixion of Jesus from the Bible details how he endured severe beatings, punctures and nails driven into his hands and feet.

Christians believe those wounds were miraculously imprinted on the burial shroud after Jesus was resurrected from the dead, scorched into the fibers by a burst of energy when he came back to life.

Now, a new analysis of the Shroud of Turin - also known as the Holy Shroud - claims to have uncovered evidence that the crucifixion may be historically accurate.

An engineer from the University of Padua in Italy used modern technology to reanalyze samples taken from the cloth in the 1970s, finding tiny blood particles showing signs of organ failure, trauma, disease and radiation.

Materials that were typical in ancient Jerusalem were also said to be discovered, suggesting that the shroud may have originated in the region and not in Europe where many skeptics think it was created as a medieval forgery.

[onawah]

The alternate story as taken from the Vatican Library by Sir Lawrence Gardner is that Jesus did suffer scourging by the Roman soldiers, but was spared crucifiction, as another convicted man agreed to take his place.
There is lots of fascinating material from the late Sir Lawrence Gardner here: http://www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish.html
...And it adds up quite well.
I think the crucifiction story was the invention of priests who used it to keep the people in fear and under control.
It was convenient for them that there were similar legends taken from other, older traditions such as that known as the "Old Religion".


The late Sir Lawrence Gardner, who had access to the Vatican library, said the same, that another prisoner took his place, and that Jesus was not crucified, but he did endure the scourging.
He left the Holy Land and went on to teach in other parts of the region.
Mary Magdalene and Jesus parted as it was not thought to be safe for her to stay with him.
She sailed to France with Jesus's brother James, and she lived in a cave and also taught anonymously for some years..


>"Jesus survived the crucifiction"

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned but, according to the Farsight Institute (which, by the way, I don't fully trust), a drunken patsy was crucified in place of Jesus.

A story about the shroud popped up on Dailymail today. New blood analysis suggests the biblical story is true. This is either a distraction story or designed by the Vatican bean counters to bolster parishioners.

Shroud of Turin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin#:~:text=The%20shroud%20is%20rectangular%2C%20measuring,hands%20folded%20across%20his %20groin.)

dailymail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13765919/shroud-turin-jesus-cloth-confirms-biblical-story.html)

The agonizing crucifixion of Jesus from the Bible details how he endured severe beatings, punctures and nails driven into his hands and feet.

Christians believe those wounds were miraculously imprinted on the burial shroud after Jesus was resurrected from the dead, scorched into the fibers by a burst of energy when he came back to life.

Now, a new analysis of the Shroud of Turin - also known as the Holy Shroud - claims to have uncovered evidence that the crucifixion may be historically accurate.

An engineer from the University of Padua in Italy used modern technology to reanalyze samples taken from the cloth in the 1970s, finding tiny blood particles showing signs of organ failure, trauma, disease and radiation.

Materials that were typical in ancient Jerusalem were also said to be discovered, suggesting that the shroud may have originated in the region and not in Europe where many skeptics think it was created as a medieval forgery.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The alternate story as taken from the Vatican Library by Sir Lawrence Gardner is that Jesus did suffer scourging by the Roman soldiers, but was spared crucifiction, as another convicted man agreed to take his place.

There's another alternative story [for the true life of Jesus, his family and those who surrounded him] if you want to take a look. One of the most astonishing books I ever read in my life (and I'm in the many thousands by now). Depends if you're in to deep spiritual/metaphysical/mystery school material as to whether or not it resonates with you, but it's one of those books you want to climb into, that you never want to end..

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Amazon link: Anna, Grandmother of Jesus: A Message of Wisdom and Love (https://www.amazon.com/Anna-Grandmother-Jesus-Claire-Heartsong/dp/0937147346)

Thread on it here:
Anna, Grandmother of Jesus / Anna, the voice of the Magdalenes (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101610-Anna-Grandmother-of-Jesus-Anna-the-voice-of-the-Magdalenes)

[Tintin]

So too is this quite remarkable translation, if accurate, and I really think it may well be. I have to keep rereading this; it's truly astonishing.

Via the Nag Hammadi scrolls, The Apocryphon: The Secret Book of John. Although not specific to the shroud (so, actually 'Off topic' really here in that regard) it's deeply motivating :flower:

Source: www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html

https://avalonlibrary.net/The_Apocryphon/The_Secret_Book_of_John_%28Apocryphon_of_John%29.pdf

[Tintin]

So too is this quite remarkable translation, if accurate, and I really think it may well be. I have to keep rereading this; it's truly astonishing.

Via the Nag Hammadi scrolls, The Apocryphon: The Secret Book of John. Although not specific to the shroud (so, actually 'Off topic' really here in that regard) it's deeply motivating :flower:

Source: www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html

https://avalonlibrary.net/The_Apocryphon/The_Secret_Book_of_John_%28Apocryphon_of_John%29.pdf

It's getting late here but tomorrow I'll start a dedicated thread for this. Amazingly, there isn't one started :flower:

[Tintin]

‘Face of Jesus' unveiled by A.I. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-) using the latest data of the Shroud of Turin.

1826383861275918708
Creepy? Blasphemy? Appalling? Insulting? Or All the above?


Or maybe close to the truth?

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳


archived source: archive.ph/5fb59 (https://archive.ph/5fb59)


I do think Akiane Kramarik's rendition is way way softer, and more sensitive and real than this AI image, as well intentioned as it is maybe :flower:

Here's her extraordinary interpretation, totally spiritually downloaded, :flower:

Painting the Impossible

https://avalonlibrary.net/Painting_The_Impossible_by_Akiane_Kramarik_%282017%29.mp4

And the comparison film too :flower:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Comparison_of_the_ISA_Tile_Prince_of_Peace_and_Shroud_of_Turin_%282014%29.mp4

[Vicus]

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhUtKtom88BBSVmDNpah69wP_k7dn7eQUd3I7PYX-yzs_ExVGN3iKk7TPCsQroJb2FXnB_U6xPR9i14xCx0BjHbZhkdfvjnjxd70Xc36Ni2br6OL_Xo60GiIorSEi1sGf5I9M5MyLffWa uac9Aj8pOoVh-UqcwkJ9HU7YbhQ5WbYt8D03-dwNRzhA/w450-h377/GUID5iwWUAAO5z_.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

‘Face of Jesus' unveiled by A.I. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-) using the latest data of the Shroud of Turin.

1826383861275918708
Creepy? Blasphemy? Appalling? Insulting? Or All the above?



Or maybe close to the truth?





archived source: archive.ph/5fb59 (https://archive.ph/5fb59)



I do think Akiane Kramarik's rendition is way way softer, and more sensitive and real than this AI image, as well intentioned as it is maybe :flower:

Here's her extraordinary interpretation, totally spiritually downloaded, :flower:

Painting the Impossible

https://avalonlibrary.net/Painting_The_Impossible_by_Akiane_Kramarik_%282017%29.mp4
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You beat me to it... I was going to say exactly the same thing. :highfive:

Here's a must-see thread, that might make one gasp:

Akiane - Artist & Child Prodigy - Inspiration from the Divine (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9606-Akiane-Artist-Child-Prodigy-Inspiration-from-the-Divine)

Akiane painted this portrait of Jesus when she was 8 years old.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Akiane_and_Jesus.jpg

[Johnnycomelately]

Hey Applesprig, and everybody, here’s a comprehensive (IMO) review of the science studies on the shroud to date, from a YT post today.

Dr. John C., a stalwart of medical science reporting in recent years, went way off script on this upload. Interesting, about him.

I watched the whole thing (48:07), and was stayed/captivated/mesmerized by the datae presented.

I read that the Christ, down here on Earth as Jesus, was a strapping lad and then a strong man. Grow up in a carpenter’s fam back then, probs lots of lifting expected and done.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT1R2kDPHFA

[Isserley]

The alternate story as taken from the Vatican Library by Sir Lawrence Gardner is that Jesus did suffer scourging by the Roman soldiers, but was spared crucifiction, as another convicted man agreed to take his place.

There's another alternative story [for the true life of Jesus, his family and those who surrounded him] if you want to take a look. One of the most astonishing books I ever read in my life (and I'm in the many thousands by now). Depends if you're in to deep spiritual/metaphysical/mystery school material as to whether or not it resonates with you, but it's one of those books you want to climb into, that you never want to end..

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Amazon link: Anna, Grandmother of Jesus: A Message of Wisdom and Love (https://www.amazon.com/Anna-Grandmother-Jesus-Claire-Heartsong/dp/0937147346)

Thread on it here:
Anna, Grandmother of Jesus / Anna, the voice of the Magdalenes (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101610-Anna-Grandmother-of-Jesus-Anna-the-voice-of-the-Magdalenes)

Thanks for this Mark, and here is the WeTransfer link https://we.tl/t-Z6BDEnXRnD

[Mike Gorman]

I too watched John Campbell's Shroud of Turin special Johnnycomelately, it is especially good in my opinion, well worth the small investment of time: this is the most strange and wonderful item in the world, how could such an image with all that 3d data encoded, being photographically negative & positive-made from a micro burst of radiation 2,000 years ago be made? Mind blowing.

[Bill Ryan]

Copying this new Tucker Carlson interview posted by mountain_jim (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115734-Tucker-Carlson&p=1680167&viewfull=1#post1680167) a few minutes ago:

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https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1953863784038117655
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For decades, experts dismissed the Shroud of Turin as fake. New science suggests they were wrong, and probably lying. Jeremiah Johnston with the evidence that it is in fact the actual burial shroud of Jesus.

(0:00) What Is the Shroud of Turin?
(11:09) The Historical Evidence of Jesus’ Crucifixion
(16:33) What Kind of Scientific Testing Has Been Done on the Shroud?
(25:28) The Gruesome Details Crucifixion
(40:26) What Happened Leading up to Jesus’ Crucifixion?
(44:07) The Flagrum Used to Torture Jesus
(47:25) Is This What the Crown of Thorns Really Looked Like?
(51:50) Where Did the Shroud Come From?
(58:39) The Face of Jesus
(1:01:20) Johnston Debunks Claims That the Shroud Was Man-Made
(1:13:48) Why Isn’t the Shroud on Display Anywhere?
(1:15:50) The Problem With Carbon Dating
(1:16:47) The Deliberate Attempts to Hide Information About the Shroud of Turin
(1:20:51) Is Information About the Dead Sea Scrolls Being Hidden?
(1:28:19) Will There Be Further Study of the Shroud?
(1:28:48) The Spear That Stabbed Jesus
(1:30:09) The Intersection of History and Christianity

[Russian Bear]

The Shroud of Turin: A Mystery Across the Ages
Fr. Alexey Young

The Church celebrates the icon of the Savior "Made Without Hands"—the prototype of which is believed to be an image of Jesus Christ's holy face, left on a cloth used to cover His face at burial after the crucifixion. An exhaustively researched and highly interesting article by Fr. Alexy Young, Nun Michaila, and Mary Mansur was published a number of years ago in the periodical, "Orthodox America" on the Shroud of Turin and the Holy Napkin. We present it today in the spirit of the present feast.

https://pravoslavie.ru/81330.html

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Fascinating interview. I always had a strong belief in the shroud's reality, even when the scepticism was at its greatest. I just had a gut feeling about it: the image on the cloth is an imprint of Christ's light body, emitted at the moment of his transfiguration.

[onawah]

Bloodline of the Holy Grail

On the other hand, according to the late Sir Lawrence Gardner who had access to the secret documents in the Vatican Library, another prisoner slotted for crucifixtion volunteered to take Jesus's place and so Jesus was able to escape, which I am more inclined to believe.
However,. he was scourged by Roman soldiers on the way to Golgotha, so he was not able to travel far upon his escape.
Mary Magdalene and their children escaped with James, Jesus's brother, to France where records remain to this day about her life living in a cave and teaching anonymously.
See:https://www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish.html

[Russian Bear]

According to the Turin Shroud, this is the face of Jesus Christ:

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Orthodox icon of Jesus Christ:

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