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arwen
5th May 2023, 14:06
This goes a long way to explaining the mess of the world today. The fact that most governments are disastrous to the well being of the world - the environment, the people, and all life forms, can be explained by a combination of malice by those at the very top and stupidity by the rest.

One DOES need some reasonable rules and governance, but currently, especially in the US and the West, their "rules based order" is purely left brain and thus stupid. Left brain perspective leaves no room for variances, exceptions, wisdom, intelligent leadership or compassion. Using solely left brain thinking leads to nuclear war and destruction, so long as the rules are rigidly followed. (Rules are more important than life).

It leaves out any possibility of wise and intelligent decision making. Purely left brain thinking is a closed loop system, thus necessarily entropic and is guaranteed to self-destruct.

David Icke rather brilliantly articulates this in this 37 minute video:

YFcunRTN83m4

thepainterdoug
5th May 2023, 14:27
Thanks Arwen. This was excellent . I feel I am very right brain and this explains it well.

Also, the recent James Webb tele pics have Michio Kaku saying the big bang never happened.
Thats what I though all along. lol

ooops

Bill Ryan
5th May 2023, 14:52
This goes a long way to explaining the mess of the world today. The fact that most governments are disastrous to the well being of the world - the environment, the people, and all life forms, can be explained by a combination of malice by those at the very top and stupidity by the rest.

One DOES need some reasonable rules and governance, but currently, especially in the US and the West, their "rules based order" is purely left brain and thus stupid. Left brain perspective leaves no room for variances, exceptions, wisdom, intelligent leadership or compassion. Using solely left brain thinking leads to nuclear war and destruction, so long as the rules are rigidly followed. (Rules are more important than life).

It leaves out any possibility of wise and intelligent decision making. Purely left brain thinking is a closed loop system, thus necessarily entropic and is guaranteed to self-destruct.

David Icke rather brilliantly articulates this in this 37 minute video:

YFcunRTN83m4Actually, I'd argue a little with David about this. :)

Here's my own briefest summary, in just a fewparagraphs. Everything that David presents is true. But its not the cause. It's the underlying weakness. Everything else around takes advantage of that.

CIA mind control researcher and whistleblower Robert Duncan stated that the mind has no firewall. He meant this in a slightly different sense, but the common factor is that most humans don't have the wherewithal to withstand all the influences on them — basically as highly intelligent animals with an immortal spirit, often itself with little or no influence or control over the animal it inhabits, hanging on in there for dear life. )

So the uber-rational left brain is adept at justifying anything in its sphere or perception. That includes temptation of every kind. (I'm aware that's a biblical term, but it's still the best one to use.)

There's a mind-virus in operation in most of the 'western' world right now. Leaders and politicians of every kind are infected beyond any hope of change or rescue. And media propaganda takes care of the rest, with most regular citizens just as hypnotized by what their infected leaders maintain and urge people to believe.

In my personal view, the mind virus isn't a metaphor. It's a non-physical effect (not an actual 'virus'), but it operates as one. In many ways it's also like a parasite, inasmuch as it keeps its host alive. (The viruses that spread most widely don't kill their hosts quickly at all, if ever.) And looping back to David's thesis, our left brains do very little to protect us.

arwen
5th May 2023, 15:10
You are welcome the painterdoug, I completely relate. I feel very right brained too, although my left brain basic functionality still exists and works, but in harmony with the right brain bigger picture. I am grateful for that.

Bill, excellent comments, and I can only agree with you. Thank you for gracing my topic with your wisdom and intelligence. Much appreciated. :sun:

I think the left brain limitation is a piece of the puzzle, and is what made it possible - laid the foundation - for the mind virus/parasite to invade. The virus would have gained no traction if the majority of those in so called "leadership" positions had whole brain functioning, connected with heart (compassion) and wisdom. And sadly I agree that those infected are beyond hope of rescue and are beyond salvaging at this stage.

thepainterdoug
5th May 2023, 15:12
Bill, this is an excellent addition and observation. I am often amazed at all the material that has passed before your eyes over the many years.
We need a "spiritual Ivermectin" to rid ourselves of this horrible parasite.

norman
5th May 2023, 19:45
This conversation does a lot of left-brain/right-brain comparing and subjectively defining.

The One You Feed - How to Live Without a Script with Martha Beck and Rowan Mangan (https://podbay.fm/p/the-one-you-feed/e/1682460000)
59 minutes Posted Apr 25, 2023


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How to develop a stronger sense of embodied presence that enhances your overall well-being and success.

What the role of improvisation is in this age of constant change?

The importance of embracing a “don’t know” mind and rejecting shame

Bill Ryan
5th May 2023, 21:26
Bill, this is an excellent addition and observation. I am often amazed at all the material that has passed before your eyes over the many years.
We need a "spiritual Ivermectin" to rid ourselves of this horrible parasite.My greatest concern is that there may not be an easy remedy. I've been thinking about this 'mind virus' for months, and I really do see it as a kind of evil, non-physical, infectious parasite which perfectly accounts for the lockstep views, policies, statements and sincere beliefs of 99% of all politicians, business leaders and media influencers in the western world.

Most humans have little defense against this, certainly not the ones who are already corrupt, ambitious, and/or have already made their own deals. I was originally going to write a longer post, but edited it down as I don't want to derail arwen's thread... and David Icke is totally worth listening to carefully in the video that she posted.

:focus:

Sue (Ayt)
5th May 2023, 23:41
This reminds me of the 1967 book by Colin Wilson, "The Mind Parasites". The concept of this sci-fi novel (146 pages) is not new, but more chilling now than ever.


"The Mind Parasites is a disturbingly creepy story of monsters that live within the depths of human consciousness, feeding off our energy and keeping us depressed, dumbed-down, anxious and living below our potential. Sounds like a common, everyday disease! But noted author Colin Wilson’s horror story is fiction, and you have to keep reminding yourself of that little fact as you read this classic metaphysical thriller.

A professor of archeology discovers the existence of mind parasites while on a dig at an excavation site that has a dark and disturbing history of its own. When Gilbert Austin, our hero of sorts, receives the documents of a dead colleague, he is intrigued by passages referring to these mind monsters that live and feed off of human consciousness. Austin has an experience of his own that proves the parasites exist, and soon he is finding even more proof at an archeological dig in Turkey, where he confides in his colleague.

Eventually, they learn that the parasites have existed for centuries, and that they are now preparing to destroy the human species. The war against the mind parasites begins with worldwide consequences as a small group of people who possess the mental strength and control are gathered together to fight the mind monsters.

The fate of humanity rests with the ability of very few people to sharpen their minds enough to control the sheer ignorance and laziness of the majority. That alone is enough to send chills down the reader’s spine, and much of this book echoes our own modern predicament, where the tribal or mass consciousness allows all kinds of horrible things to occur in our world, including their own misery and unhappiness. The Mind Parasites is part sci-fi, part horror novel, with plenty of solid commentary on the paradigms that shape human society and evolution thrown in, giving it more of a nonfiction feel, and many times I had to remind myself I was reading a novel and not a first-person account by a real scientist reporting on a real situation.

That’s what makes this such a skin-crawling read, one that will poke and prod at your mind, distressing and disturbing your relative calm with its ripples of unease. Because, like the mind parasites, this story does its damage just below the surface, and you have to pay attention to understand why."
"
https://www.curledup.com/mindpara.htm

Free Download Here (https://archive.org/details/B-001-004-420)
(might be a good add to the PA library)

ExomatrixTV
6th May 2023, 15:28
Our Time Has Come - New 2023 David Icke Interview (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121086-Our-Time-Has-Come-New-2023-David-Icke-Interview) :dog:

ozmirage
6th May 2023, 23:13
A lot of government "stupidity" can be explained by the "secret rule."
What is the "secret rule?"
I can't say - it's secret...
Naw - - - just kidding.

The SECRET RULE of all government is "grow or die."
Regardless of the format and organization, any government that is stagnant or shrinking in size is BAD NEWS for those whose careers depend on government, whether elected or appointed officials, employees, etc.
SO, any excuse for government to spend more, tax more, hire more will be used. . . especially STUPID EXCUSES.
(Look at all those "new" agencies created - "Homeland Security" - "Space Force" - TSA - and so on)

The founders were aware of this tendency, and tried to nip it in the bud. Before 1820s, to be a citizen / elector, one had to be a property owner, tax payer, militia man, and held to a higher standard of behavior. In short, few Americans qualified. And with so few to tax and rule, governments were lean and mean. (Endowed rights cannot be taxed, and without consent, the people cannot be governed)

Unfortunately, once the founding generation was dead or ignored, the new generation cut back on the prerequisites and, soon, any warm body could vote... helped by free beer on election day. Thus partisan politics and "democracy" perverted the operation of government and it has been downhill ever since.


Need proof?
The 1960s "War on Poverty." - - - wasted billions, built (and demolished) federal housing projects - - - boosted welfare budgets - - - food stamps - - - college grants - - - and we're poorer now than in 1960s!
(44% tax bite of the GDP & hyperinflation)

ozmirage
6th May 2023, 23:33
Addendum : to "stupid government"

I grew up in a Federal Housing Project. This project was built as shoddily as code would allow. And stupid is a compliment to the "genius" that designed it. They made blocks with 8 apartments in each. Not unlike a townhouse, side by side, but ugly. I realize that it is public policy that po' folks never can live better than their "betters." But. OMG. Even the Soviet Union's projects had more common sense. Instead of grass, each apartment had a crushed stone "front yard." You couldn't do anything with it. Kids couldn't play on it. In our end apartment, the drain pipe had an access cap in the closet. And you guessed it - every year or so - "waste" would bubble up through the cap as the line would clog. Oh joy.

The walls were concrete block. That's not all bad, but they weren't insulated. Of course, the government provided the hot water heating as part of the rent. BUT no insulation meant they were wasting $$$ every winter.

The poured concrete floors had a faux tile overlay that was impossible to keep clean. I don't know what the composition was, but nothing would work. Scouring with Brillo pads would not cut the crud.

It's no surprise that most federal projects were demolished or abandoned.

rgray222
7th May 2023, 01:29
My greatest concern is that there may not be an easy remedy. I've been thinking about this 'mind virus' for months, and I really do see it as a kind of evil, non-physical, infectious parasite which perfectly accounts for the lockstep views, policies, statements and sincere beliefs of 99% of all politicians, business leaders and media influencers in the western world.

Most humans have little defense against this, certainly not the ones who are already corrupt, ambitious, and/or have already made their own deals. I was originally going to write a longer post but edited it down as I don't want to derail Arwen's thread... and David Icke is totally worth listening to carefully in the video that she posted.


Bill, I don't want to take this thread too far off topic but I honestly believe that the mind virus you referring to is easily explained. It is simply good vs evil. While some people are consciously choosing sides most are aligning behind good or evil without really understanding what they are doing or the consequences of their actions. There are many examples, especially in politics but the best example of what I am talking about can be understood when it comes to the gender issues the world is grappling to understand.

If evil can make you believe that there are more than two genders or that men can give birth or that menstrual material should be put in all men's bathrooms then you have already aligned with evil. A harder issue to come to terms with is war, people that believe that war is justified or necessary have clearly aligned with evil.

Also as a footnote, there certainly is "stupid government" but I believe we have moved beyond the realm of stupid and entered the domain of evil government. Making this distinction is not hard and it has become necessary to get our terminology more accurate. Where this is all going is for another thread.

Isserley
7th May 2023, 09:18
The people who run the countries were hacked, long before the covid transhumanist agenda. In some way, they divorced their spirit/soul/humanity, whether through trauma (mk ultra) or some other way, but you can see from a far that they are empty vessels.
Looking at everything we’ve uncovered so far in light of the matrix agenda of the hostile forces, it is more and more clear that:

1. Humans Are Now Hackable Animals

2.Freedom And Freewill Are A Myth

..according to Yuval Noah Harari at least :nerd:

Some highlights from his speeshes:

“Covid is critical because it convinces people to accept total biometric surveillance. If we want to stop this epidemic we not only need to monitor people, we need to monitor what is happening under their skin.

Humans are now hackable animals. The whole idea that humans have this soul, spirit, and they have free will and nobody knows what’s happening inside me….that’s over! There is no such thing as free will. There are only deterministic processes and random processes in science and a combination of the two but none of this is freedom. Freedom is just another myth that humans have invented just like humans have invented God.

Feelings are just biochemical algorithms and most importantly, what scientists and engineers are telling us more and more is that if we only have enough data and enough computing power, we can create external algorithms that understand humans and their feelings much better than humans can understand themselves.

And once you have an algorithm that understands you and your feelings better than you understand yourself, that’s when authority shifts away from humans to algorithms.”

– Yuval Noah Harari

Yuval may already be a vessel for ahrimanic [demonic] spirits and an “Organic Portal.” There is no soul, just a mechanical, materialistic worldview. His words give insights into the mindset of many people in positions of high power and specifically the elite of the World Economic Forum WEF around Klaus Schwab. They deny the soul, spirituality, and the Divine, and they want to play God themselves.

arwen
7th May 2023, 13:12
Thank you for your comments and views everyone.

I am suggesting an edit of the title of this thread to be rather:

"The reason most Governments are stupid, evil and insane"

(I tried to do it myself but it did not stick)

I originally had in mind the type of stupid ozmirage describes here:


Addendum : to "stupid government"

I grew up in a Federal Housing Project. This project was built as shoddily as code would allow. And stupid is a compliment to the "genius" that designed it. They made blocks with 8 apartments in each. Not unlike a townhouse, side by side, but ugly. I realize that it is public policy that po' folks never can live better than their "betters." But. OMG. Even the Soviet Union's projects had more common sense. Instead of grass, each apartment had a crushed stone "front yard." You couldn't do anything with it. Kids couldn't play on it. In our end apartment, the drain pipe had an access cap in the closet. And you guessed it - every year or so - "waste" would bubble up through the cap as the line would clog. Oh joy.

The walls were concrete block. That's not all bad, but they weren't insulated. Of course, the government provided the hot water heating as part of the rent. BUT no insulation meant they were wasting $$$ every winter.

The poured concrete floors had a faux tile overlay that was impossible to keep clean. I don't know what the composition was, but nothing would work. Scouring with Brillo pads would not cut the crud.

It's no surprise that most federal projects were demolished or abandoned.

This was because I was looking at the unintelligent systems and people that render silly, inhuman and non optimum results. But as Bill, Sue and rgray have shown, this topic definitely wants to include the mind virus (weitiko?) aspect, as well as the hacking aspect raised by Isserley above.

This is a vast and complex topic.

The reason I am focused on governments is that they are the instruments - the tools - weaponized against all life now. In a sense, they always have been, but this is now on a global, synchronized scale. Of course they are directed behind the scenes by cults, and in public by Corporations (Public-Private partnerships), all of whom have now been shown to have an evil agenda - wiping out humans, suppressing them, crushing innovation and intelligent design with their legal systems, armies and police, in Australia going and killing the bees, everywhere cutting down trees for 5G towers, killing chickens and animals, poisoning the air, water and food and so on. Utter madness.

I thought the left-brain thinking video by David Icke was a very good start to this topic as it addresses the stupid part. But the evil and insane part are now rampant and I am not sure how long we have left to discuss these issues freely, so wanted to put it on the table now. I appreciate the very intelligent responses so far on this thread. I am OK with expanding the topic to include the mind virus, and other aspects of this very unfortunate turn of events.

I just wanted to throw in here this incredible short video of the singer, Dimash Kudaibergen, from Kazakhstan, who has an astounding voice octave range of SIX octaves. Not only as a balance to this dark topic, but apart from his flawless exquisite voice, the responses of the people in the audience - all normal, beautiful human beings who are sane and open and joyfully embracing being transported to the higher realms by this divine voice.

It contrasts what life SHOULD be about and is the complete opposite to what governments are doing to humanity and all life now - a reminder of the evolutionary path we SHOULD be on:

anKmU1J0l9g






From Bill:
Yes, thread title changed. (It's a mods' thing, but very easily done)
:thumbsup:

Bill Ryan
7th May 2023, 13:36
I honestly believe that the mind virus you referring to is easily explained. It is simply good vs evil. Yes, absolutely. :highfive:

The interesting factor in play here, I'd suggest. is that the 'stupidity, evil and insanity' is all near-identical.

When a smallpox virus (e.g.) infects part of the population, the symptoms are all the same. That's how come we know it's a virus (which in many cases becomes very infectious) — and not just an isolated bodily malfunction of some kind.

arwen
7th May 2023, 13:42
Thanks Bill! :highfive: And do feel free to have at it if you feel like it.

Kuperkai
8th May 2023, 10:21
Governments are the way they are today because of the consciousness of the people running them. I see this really as a War on Consciousness between those who are connected to Source, Creator, God or the UCC as remote viewer Marty Rosenblatt would call it and those who have become disconnected from Source. Edgar Cayce described the two opposing forces very well during his readings on Atlantis- the Children of the Law of One vs the Sons of Belial.

Earlier today, I just happened to come across this Cayce reading- From Edgar Cayce – reading 877-26 (Atlantis) (https://newgoal.ru/edgar-cayce-877-26-english/)
Cayce on the Children of the law of One

15. Their STANDARD was that the soul was given by the Creator or entered from outside sources INTO the projection of the MENTAL and spiritual self at the given periods. THAT was the standard of the Law of One, but was REJECTED by the Sons of Belial.

Cayce on the Sons of Belial

8. The Sons of Belial were of one group, or those that sought more the gratifying, the satisfying, the use of material things for self, WITHOUT thought or consideration as to the sources of such nor the hardships in the experiences of others. Or, in other words, as we would term it today, they were those without a standard of morality.

9. The other group – those who followed the Law of One – had a standard. The Sons of Belial had no standard, save of self, self-aggrandizement.

Cayce on how the Children of the Law of One see the interconnectedness of all "sparks of light":

27. The entity knows innately the RELATIONSHIP of the soul – or the first cause of self – with infinity; the relationship of infinity to each entity; and that there is no respecter of persons except as to how and why each entity, as a spark of infinity, magnifies or uses its relationship NOT for self-indulgence or gratification but for the GLORY of that which is the source of light, of all that pertains to light. For every spark of light, whether in the spiritual, the mental or the material sense, must have its inception in infinity.

The above reading can also be found, along with many other Cayce readings on Atlantis in this pdf (https://www.edgarcayce.org/media/5709/21546_atlantisvol1.pdf) from EdgarCayce.org.

To me, it seems pretty evident that the people running the West today are the Sons of Belial. Here are some recent examples:
• When ISIS destroyed the historic ruins of the Temple of Baalshamin in Palmyra, Syria (described here (https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/history-and-civilisation/2017/11/ancient-sites-damaged-and-destroyed-by-isis)), out of seemingly nowhere western groups suddenly built imitations of the Arch of Palmyra (aka Arch of Baal). The following video shows Boris Johnson (UK PM at time) dedicating a cheesy Arch of Baal:
THE ARCH OF BAAL part two | Someone_out_there (https://www.bitchute.com/video/RdltmXXX2Cdn/)

• In Nov of 2022 the Balenciaga FashionGate Pedo Promotion scandal exploded. Alex Jones did a piece on the scandal:
Balenciaga Pedo Scandal Brings The Elite To It's Knees (https://www.bitchute.com/video/QKR8GzBLTWBz/)

Here is a pdf on Balenciago's stylist:
Who Is Balenciaga's Stylist Lotta Volkova? (https://www.scribd.com/document/610841394/Who-is-Balenciaga-s-Stylist-Lotta-Volkova#)

In one of Balenciaga's ads, they placed caution tape which read "BAALENCIAGA". Broken into three words like this "Baal enci aga" translates in latin to "Baal the king". Translate here (https://www.onlinetranslationpro.com/latin-to-english-translation). Here is a link (https://archive.ph/uG6vf#selection-615.0-651.246) to a relevant tweet.

• And then there is a scene from ‘American Horror Story’ where the last words of one of the witches before being burned alive at the stake are none other than “Balenciaga!”. Link here (https://twitter.com/Xx17965797N/status/1598725866728484864).

Okay, so the western occult is openly telling us that Baal is their king. I will argue that Baal (aka Nimrod) is of the same consciousness as Edgar Cayce's Sons of Belial. These folks put the material above the spiritual (complete opposite of the Law of One crowd). The western aristocracy use their knowledge and technology to gain power and wealth. They are dark art materialists.

As for Baal himself, he strikes me as a demonic consciousness, perhaps a fallen angel, who is completely disconnected from Source, Creator that feeds off the emotional trauma of human souls. From my cursory examination of our hidden history, it appears that the Children of the Law of One have survived by continually moving and hiding.

In order to end on a higher note, I'll leave you with my favorite Cayce Reading:
Reading #5749-14
(Q) Should the Christ Consciousness be described as the awareness within each soul, imprinted in pattern on the mind and waiting to be awakened by the will, of the soul’s oneness with God?
(A) Correct. That’s the idea exactly!

Hamish
8th May 2023, 11:06
Hello,

This is always a hmmmm...question for me.

Know from previous lifes that this question keeps cropping for me, what can we do to stop the fighting, to come to an agreement, to bring social order, because if all we are doing is fighting and trying to control each other, what is the point, it's seemlingly endless cycle of destruction, mistrust and degradation of the Human experience.

This what I'll call "Force" I wouldn't say is evil or postive. This force has been on Earth for a very long time. This Force does not mind peace but has it's own version of Peace. This Force seems to want to progress Human Race in a direction towards something, seems like moving a large herd, not caring how many is lost, but get enough to the end destintion.

This "Force" does not seem to care about one's beliefs/views of themseleves and or EGO. in fact, this Force seemling will use such beleifs/EGO to manipulate to a goal. if the goal is not met, it's still a success since the Human time as been spent on goals not impacting the Force progress.

We can explain greed.
We can explain belief.

How can we explain, that through time, Humans have a thirst for control/power / to kill To lie and manipulate. To create endless cycles of war. Think the Human experience has been tampered with beyond orginal intention.

Pam
8th May 2023, 11:42
This goes a long way to explaining the mess of the world today. The fact that most governments are disastrous to the well being of the world - the environment, the people, and all life forms, can be explained by a combination of malice by those at the very top and stupidity by the rest.

One DOES need some reasonable rules and governance, but currently, especially in the US and the West, their "rules based order" is purely left brain and thus stupid. Left brain perspective leaves no room for variances, exceptions, wisdom, intelligent leadership or compassion. Using solely left brain thinking leads to nuclear war and destruction, so long as the rules are rigidly followed. (Rules are more important than life).

It leaves out any possibility of wise and intelligent decision making. Purely left brain thinking is a closed loop system, thus necessarily entropic and is guaranteed to self-destruct.

David Icke rather brilliantly articulates this in this 37 minute video:

YFcunRTN83m4Actually, I'd argue a little with David about this. :)

Here's my own briefest summary, in just a fewparagraphs. Everything that David presents is true. But its not the cause. It's the underlying weakness. Everything else around takes advantage of that.

CIA mind control researcher and whistleblower Robert Duncan stated that the mind has no firewall. He meant this in a slightly different sense, but the common factor is that most humans don't have the wherewithal to withstand all the influences on them — basically as highly intelligent animals with an immortal spirit, often itself with little or no influence or control over the animal it inhabits, hanging on in there for dear life. )

So the uber-rational left brain is adept at justifying anything in its sphere or perception. That includes temptation of every kind. (I'm aware that's a biblical term, but it's still the best one to use.)

There's a mind-virus in operation in most of the 'western' world right now. Leaders and politicians of every kind are infected beyond any hope of change or rescue. And media propaganda takes care of the rest, with most regular citizens just as hypnotized by what their infected leaders maintain and urge people to believe.

In my personal view, the mind virus isn't a metaphor. It's a non-physical effect (not an actual 'virus'), but it operates as one. In many ways it's also like a parasite, inasmuch as it keeps its host alive. (The viruses that spread most widely don't kill their hosts quickly at all, if ever.) And looping back to David's thesis, our left brains do very little to protect us.

I would like to emphasize one issue that Bill made in this post, although it was minor compared to the rest of it. No human in this realm is accurate 100% of the time. I am writing this for myself as much as sharing it. No matter how sincere and accurate they are most of the time, they can be off the mark at times, thus the importance of developing discernment and always checking in with you own inner guidance system as to the accuracy of the information before adapting any information into your way of being. Be prepared to let go of the old if it no longer benefits you.

Another point, even if something is accurate today and useful, things do change. I believe it is best to keep a flexible approach, not clinging to any dogma, ideology or way of doing things if it no longer is of highest service to you.

Pam
8th May 2023, 12:19
Hello,

This is always a hmmmm...question for me.

Know from previous lifes that this question keeps cropping for me, what can we do to stop the fighting, to come to an agreement, to bring social order, because if all we are doing is fighting and trying to control each other, what is the point, it's seemlingly endless cycle of destruction, mistrust and degradation of the Human experience.

This what I'll call "Force" I wouldn't say is evil or postive. This force has been on Earth for a very long time. This Force does not mind peace but has it's own version of Peace. This Force seems to want to progress Human Race in a direction towards something, seems like moving a large herd, not caring how many is lost, but get enough to the end destintion.

This "Force" does not seem to care about one's beliefs/views of themseleves and or EGO. in fact, this Force seemling will use such beleifs/EGO to manipulate to a goal. if the goal is not met, it's still a success since the Human time as been spent on goals not impacting the Force progress.

We can explain greed.
We can explain belief.

How can we explain, that through time, Humans have a thirst for control/power / to kill To lie and manipulate. To create endless cycles of war. Think the Human experience has been tampered with beyond orginal intention.

Your question is very valid, here is something for you to consider. Look at the history, as best we can observe it. Although no one may know the reality of it exactly, it has been a series of wars, famine, draught, religious conflict, I could go on and on.

What if this place we call Earth was never meant to be anything but exactly what it is? Honestly, do you see any way of fixing this? It is not undo-able but it won't happen. It would require a spirit of universal cooperation and this place is not set up like that. We can elect a decent politician but how do they make any headway in all the corruption?

If you begin to look at the myriad of cycles that have occurred here, there have been periods of cleansing the slate, a height of culture and then the slow downfall as you can see in the US at this time.

Although one can have wonderful experiences here and may be lucky enough not to be in a war, famine or other disaster, there is still death and disease, divorce, and other undesirable conditions.

My thoughts are that this is not meant to be fixed, we are here to experience this. That doesn't mean I wouldn't assist someone in need or do something beneficial, but I no longer see any benefit in trying to correct this system.

I believe humans have been manipulated in many cases. We are seeing extremes of the basest human instincts operating at the lowest of frequencies. It is very easy to do if you are grounded in this reality. There is an ability to connect to your "higher self" at least that is what it seems to be, which will allow you access to a much larger picture.

I can see from your question alone that you have that ability and are already accessing it. That thing you call the force is most likely what I am talking about. The thing is, you can't force it on anyone and they must do the work to access it. I believe everyone will eventually get it, but that won't be in this lifetime.

I have found the best thing is neutrality towards this world, easy to say, hard to do. If you can maintain that neutrality you will be more available to access this higher self, higher frequency. The goal now, I believe is to stay there as much as possible. You seem to be empathic and that makes it extra hard, but it can be done.

In your response to the last paragraph, I don't believe humans start these wars, there are higher forces that get their minions to do the dirty work. Very, shortly it will be AI that take that role.

When I was younger, I thought I must not have the ability to understand the dynamics of what starts wars because they could easily have been terminated, but that was never the point, those wars were going to happen and not for the reasons that we are told. Why wouldn't Ukraine simply promise they would not joint NATO at this time. Could have saved the massive destruction, saved hundreds of thousands of lives, saved the environment ect. All for the reason of joining a alliance that doesn't even seem cohesive. That is pure insanity.

Although what I write is kind of depressing, it is the truth as I understand it. Of course we have wetiko the element of us that will join in with the low frequency of control, wars, perversions and abuse and manipulations of others. The point is to stay out of the frequency that allows wetiko the power turn us into puppets for the forces that feed off our misery.

Mark (Star Mariner)
8th May 2023, 12:54
To me, it seems pretty evident that the people running the West today are the Sons of Belial. Here are some recent examples:


They are, that is exactly correct. To answer the question, why are the 'elites' the way they are - stupid, evil, and insane, is because they adhere in secret to an ancient religion, whose tenets are all about those things. We may call it Luciferianism, but it was hatched from the Sons of Belial, and is essentially the same thing.

Every connection, every single rancid thread of darkness, evil, and corruption in today's modern world leads back to Atlantis, and the dark powers that destroyed it - the Sons of Belial. Why do you think they're so obsessed with keeping the truth of Atlantis hidden? So long as it's forgotten we are none the wiser. It also leaves the way open for them to obtain and secure (in secret for themselves) that which they desire the most. The Hall of Records.

Hamish
8th May 2023, 14:10
Hello Pam,


What if this place we call Earth was never meant to be anything but exactly what it is? Honestly, do you see any way of fixing this? It is not undo-able but it won't happen. It would require a spirit of universal cooperation and this place is not set up like that. We can elect a decent politician but how do they make any headway in all the corruption?

That is the difficulty. A fix for everyone on Earth right now, will be vary different for each person. This is why I think in NDE's, each person does not always have the same experience.

I see Earth as an open planet, if your willing to go through this experience, losing understanding of who you are, will want for emotional needs, to come back, as next time will be diffierent, find yourself going through various lifes, being perceived as the good one, the bad one, the one who judged or was judged and then the soul progresses, each life adding on top of the soul, your soul wants you to get to a certain level of understanding, one way or another. Only when the Earth changes it's open door policy, will then be change, be in for postive or negative remains to be seen.


If you begin to look at the myriad of cycles that have occurred here, there have been periods of cleansing the slate, a height of culture and then the slow downfall as you can see in the US at this time.

I think this is the Force goal. It's happy for you to have a certain life, but it has it's own needs, and that could be emotional energy. It's mind-boggling how in a day a civiliasation can collapse, and the anguish from an every day Human to this, and then the energy released from this, it's source for something. Take 8 billion humans on the planet, and what we are seeing accross the planet, war, social discorder, belief structures like religions almost collpasing, losing faith, politicians acting like some mindless war hawks, TV presenters squaking about War, brazen conversations about blowing up pipe-lines and what a coincidence a pipe-line explodes. Either everyone has lost their marbles and or a force has stong control and gonna be milking us for all we have.


Although one can have wonderful experiences here and may be lucky enough not to be in a war, famine or other disaster, there is still death and disease, divorce, and other undesirable conditions.

Yes, I think this is what keeps bringing us back, for us to try and learn from these experiences, as surley, has to be some good from all this?


My thoughts are that this is not meant to be fixed, we are here to experience this. That doesn't mean I wouldn't assist someone in need or do something beneficial, but I no longer see any benefit in trying to correct this system.

Agree.


I believe humans have been manipulated in many cases. We are seeing extremes of the basest human instincts operating at the lowest of frequencies. It is very easy to do if you are grounded in this reality. There is an ability to connect to your "higher self" at least that is what it seems to be, which will allow you access to a much larger picture.

This is what puzzles me sometimes. Why does our higher selfs need us here on this planet if it knows the system is rigged. My answer to myself, is like a And? So what? What ya gonna do? If you know it, will you participate in the madness and or will take a different route?


I can see from your question alone that you have that ability and are already accessing it. That thing you call the force is most likely what I am talking about. The thing is, you can't force it on anyone and they must do the work to access it. I believe everyone will eventually get it, but that won't be in this lifetime.

Me and my higher self don't seem to be on talkings terms right now :ROFL: Serious note, agree, there is too much going on forcing us in a directions we dont want, I don't see how me forcing anyone to listen/watch/understand x would assist. Better to offer, and if taken can proceed with terms on how to proceed.


When I was younger, I thought I must not have the ability to understand the dynamics of what starts wars because they could easily have been terminated, but that was never the point, those wars were going to happen and not for the reasons that we are told. Why wouldn't Ukraine simply promise they would not joint NATO at this time. Could have saved the massive destruction, saved hundreds of thousands of lives, saved the environment ect. All for the reason of joining a alliance that doesn't even seem cohesive. That is pure insanity.

Think this is part of the cycle and which the force needs. The energy exported from constant wars on Earth must like a constant negative energy surrounding the planet. Insane it is.


Although what I write is kind of depressing, it is the truth as I understand it. Of course we have wetiko the element of us that will join in with the low frequency of control, wars, perversions and abuse and manipulations of others. The point is to stay out of the frequency that allows wetiko the power turn us into puppets for the forces that feed off our misery.

:clapping:

Kuperkai
8th May 2023, 19:34
I'm definitely in the camp of Earth is a Prison Planet that harvests energy from our souls. Many independent sources have come to the same conclusion with plenty of others disagreeing. What you believe is up to you and your own discernment.

If you are still open to the Prison Planet concept, here are some sources to investigate:

• From remote viewer Brett Stuart we have his legendary video roughly called "Moksha - Remote Viewing freedom from Reincarnation" where he describes a prison planet with the souls energy being harvested. Brett posted the vid to his YT channel "Technical Intuition" but deleted it rather quickly as it created a lot of controversy. When asked about it during one of Daz Smith's webcasts, Brett said words to the effect 'people were not ready for it'. YTber "MokshaTV" has it hidden, but if you know the exact URL you can see it with comments. Here is MokshaTV link to Brett Stuart's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Ed40tVGOg). Thankfully, someone also archived it to Archive.org and here is the link (https://archive.org/details/moksha_video_20190830). Download it for safekeeping, as it is a gem. @Bill this should be in the AvalonLibrary.

• In Chapter 12 of Robert Monroe's "Far Journeys" entitled "Hearsay Evidence" he describes how Earth is a garden for harvesting loosh. From page 168 of his book:

"The creation of pure, distilled Loosh is brought forth in Type 4M units by the action of unfulfillment, but only if such pattern is enacted at a vibratory level above the sensory bounds of the environment. The greater the intensity of said pattern, the greater the output of Loosh distillate. . . ."

• Farsight Institute did a whole project on Death Traps. Unfortunately for us, it is behind a paywall, but here is a link to the trailer & description (https://farsight.org/FarsightPress/Death_Traps_Farsight_Project_main_page.html).

• A Reddit user summarized a ten year investigation (https://archive.ph/fTgFI#selection-2271.337-2271.586) into the nature of our reality and what happens to our soul when we die.

I have thoroughly investigated near death experiences, out-of-body experiences, astral projection experiences, past life regression hypnosis data, remote viewing data, gnosticism, ancient texts and more. I cannot say I know with absolute certainty what happens when we die, but what I do know is that all these different ways/methodologies of researching lead to the same conclusions and because of that, I believe that Earth is a prison planet and a massive farm used by various parasitic entities who are using us and have been using us as energetic food for what appears to be a very long time.

• A German remote viewing site investigated the light traps. They found several kinds of "light traps" and your resonance determined the outcome of where you went. Here is the link to their article "The Light Trap" (http://signallinie.info/die-lichtfalle/) in German. While the images cannot be translated, Google Translate did a good job on the web page. Here is a link (https://signallinie-info.translate.goog/die-lichtfalle/?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=la&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en) to the english translation of the web page (make certain Google does a German -> English translation in the top left).

• Brett Stuart also did a talk with Kerry Cassidy in which he discussed many things remote viewing related and it can be found here (https://archive.org/details/brett-stuart-interview-blue-avians-reincarnation-lost-technology-and-more). From the video description:

49:38: Brett introduces Project Red Dog. The project target was “the most significant undiscovered artifact in North America.” Underneath a tundra is a cavern site, the entrance of which is “masked” by technological means. Deep down is a pyramid which houses an “ascension chair.” Once certain conditions are met, the user becomes aware of all their past lives and of Earth history. They are then given the opportunity to enhance their genetics and transform into an ascended being. The designers, who were most likely Atlantean, created this as an ace in the hole in a timeline where evil prevails.

1:17:15: Brett discusses Moksha, liberation from the incarnational cycle, and the remote viewing results they came back with. Suffice it to say that reincarnation on Earth is a trap; we are like bees producing honey for grander beings.


His videos on Project Red Dog have disappeared from the internet, as far as I can tell. If Atlanteans (presumably from the Law of One crowd) created an "ascension chair" as an escape pod, it tells you the seriousness of the state of affairs here on earth.

So, the absolute madness that is Earth today, appears to me the result of the Sons of Belial working with forces (either knowingly or unknowingly) way beyond our comprehension. If that is the case, then here are some options:
1) Disperse and hide from the Sons of Belial.
2) Divorce ourselves from the Sons of Belial and essentially bifurcate humanity (a more modern version of going Amish).
3) Fight the Sons of Belial. <- This is what they want.
4) Find an exit through the "light traps".
5) Physically leave the planet for another solar system- doable within 30 years.
6) Raise our "vibration" so that we can use the "Red Dog" ascension chair <- low probability.

ozmirage
8th May 2023, 21:52
Morality simplified : Morality is a choice that supports survival. Dead things have no morality. Survival is based on two mutually exclusive laws : law of the jungle versus law of love.
To a predator, under the law of the jungle, it's kill or be killed, eat or be eaten. Win at any cost. The predator is "good", prey are "good to eat," and prey who fight back are "bad."

Throughout history, weak individuals, preyed upon by the strong, have banded together, compromised their individuality and cooperated in the defense against predators. The Romans used the symbol of the fasces (bundled sticks) to demonstrate how the weak individuals become powerful when united. The bundle of sticks with the axe was a reminder of the awesome power that the many can wield. When that power is wielded for the public good, in defense against predators, it is beneficial.

But predators weren't stupid. So they infiltrated the institutions of government and society and perverted them. When that cooperative power is wielded for the benefit of predators, it becomes an abomination.

That is why tolerance of predators is unmerciful to their next victim.

Governments are not stupid, evil and insane. They are merely infected by unscrupulous, greedy, ruthless, and selfish individuals. When the victims are helpless and impotent to stop them, blaming the institution is easier than admitting the truth.

Consenting to the rule by predators and parasites is our own fault. Sure, it's compounded by our ignorance, arrogance and apathy.

To say "NO!" - regardless of the consequences - is the bane of all tyrannies and the foundation of freedom.

Kuperkai
9th May 2023, 02:51
Consenting to the rule by predators and parasites is our own fault. Sure, it's compounded by our ignorance, arrogance and apathy.

To say "NO!" - regardless of the consequences - is the bane of all tyrannies and the foundation of freedom.

@ozmirage— If it weren't for the rampant pedophilia, extremely esoteric agenda of Transgenderism (the merging of opposites as illustrated by Baphomet), and non-stop Satanic symbolism- I might agree with you and call them greedy, selfish, ruthless bastards. However, once I began to recognize the dark occult imagery, I realized it was everywhere, and I've been unknowingly swimming in it my entire life.

This discussion is important because we cannot counter that which we cannot identify. Fear of anything causes paralysis. Fear of the unknown or unnameable causes heightened paralysis and anxiety.

There is a thread and endpoint to all of their symbolism. I've come to the conclusion that their agenda closely follows the plans laid out by Aleister Crowley and The Book of the Law. They want the Age of Aquarius to be the Aeon of Horus, "the crowned and conquering child" (which by the way is the merger of both sexes).

In "Part 3- The Advent of Horus" from his book "The Confessions of Aleister Crowley". he writes the following:

To recapitulate the historical basis of The Book of the Law, let me say that evolution (within human memory) shows three great steps: 1. the worship of the Mother, when the universe was conceived as simple nourishment drawn directly from her; 2. the worship of the Father, when the universe was imagined as catastrophic; 3. the worship of the Child, in which we come to perceive events as a continual growth partaking in its elements of both these methods.


The child is not merely a symbol of growth, but of complete moral independence and innocence. We may then expect the New Aeon to release mankind from its pretence of altruism, its obsession of fear and its consciousness of sin. It will possess no consciousness of the purpose of its own existence. It will not be possible to persuade it that it should submit to incomprehensible standards; it will suffer from spasms of transitory passion; it will be absurdly sensitive to pain and suffer from meaningless terror; it will be utterly conscienceless, cruel, helpless, affectionate and ambitious, without knowing why; it will be incapable of reason, yet at the same time intuitively aware of truth.


There is no need to develop the ethics of Thelema, in detail, for everything springs with absolute logic from the singular principle, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." Or, to put it another way, "There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt." And, "thou hast no right but to do thy will." This formula itself springs ineluctably from the conception of the individual outlined in the preceding section. "The word of Sin is Restriction." "It is a lie, this folly against self." The theory is that every man and every woman has each definite attributes whose tendency, considered in due relation to environment, indicate a proper course of action in each case. To pursue this course of action is to do one's true will. "Do that, and no other shall say nay."

Remember, the Book of the Law was transmitted to Crowley by an entity called Aiwass, who looks almost exactly like a little grey alien. Read more here (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/The_Book_of_the_Law).

From the perspective of the western "elite", I would argue that the Aeon of Horus IS their agenda with Transgenderism being a big part of that puzzle. Additionally, I would categorize Aiwass & his buddies as a service to self consciousness, disconnected from Source whose goal is to Borgify humanity: i.e. to genetically modify all human soul containers such that they are disconnected from Source and controlled by an AI Hive mind.

Nonetheless, if you described this occult agenda to most people, they will just walk away, thinking your crazy. Calling the "elite' predators and parasites will get much better traction with the masses. So, in a very real sense your approach will reach more people, but I don't think it encompasses the "elite's" very dark agenda.

ozmirage
9th May 2023, 10:38
What some call the occult, some might call "Virtue Signaling" (predator talk).
"They" like to sneak their "jokes" on the sheeple.

To illustrate, back in the 1970s, I got a barcode manual from Texas Instruments. It depicted all the various permutations and combinations of barcodes. However, all the barcodes had non-printing characters embedded. In every case, the non-printing character was identical to a "6". So a typical barcode with a start, stop and middle character (guards) had "666" embedded. Fun-nee, right? "They shall not buy nor sell without the number of the beast."

There was no logical nor engineering reason to assign a "6" (0110) to the same pattern as the non-printing character. It was even in the Japanese barcode standard.

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Note the dual thin black stripes on the left side, and dual thin white stripes on the right side. (They invert the parity depending on scan direction)
Then compare with the dual thin stripes for "6" character. (Space ignored)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Product_Code

Just a conspiracy theory - nothing to see here - just a coincidence - move along.