Supposed Crash Retrieval Employee Leak (4chan) (April 2023)

[noprophet]

I looked around a bit and I don't believe it's been posted. I've been going through this archive of the supposed whistleblower this evening:

https://imgur.com/a/NXjWQaN

Subjects include: craft construction, retrieval, crashes, manned/unmanned, atlantic base, technology recovery, subtle allusions to lockheed leaking information, abduction, "made-to purpose" on-demand UFOs/UAPS

(edit) 4chan link: https://boards.4channel.org/x/thread/34704869/ufo-knowledge (obligatory, beware, 4chan link)
archived orioginal: https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/34629564/

Sample:
https://i.imgur.com/bGK8bAU.png
https://i.imgur.com/78qFdKk.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/DkbwN6Y.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/YUODFW8.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/5MBYGar.jpeg

[Bill Ryan]

Many thanks. I read all that carefully, and my first impression is that the poster seems credible, as does the information he shares.

But there are many questions (that would seem important and obvious to ask!) that aren't in that screenshot. It looks like there has to be a lot more in that thread. Can you keep posting?

[Tintin]

Many thanks. I read all that carefully, and my first impression is that the poster seems credible, as does the information he shares.

But there are many questions (that would seem important and obvious to ask!) that aren't in that screenshot. It looks like there has to be a lot more in that thread. Can you keep posting?

Yes, this does seem pretty credible at this stage.

Hopefully this snapshot converted to pdf will embed here:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/Paranormal_Thread_34629564_%28April_2023%29.pdf

Otherwise it can be sourced from here: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/Paranormal_Thread_34629564_%28April_2023%29.pdf

[Bill Ryan]

Yes, this does seem pretty credible at this stage.
Yes, recommended. :thumbsup:

But, warning! :) It's very long and sometimes hard to follow. And you have to skip over the trolling posts. OP's login Anon ID changes each time, so you can't search for his post replies like that.

I've been focused on this for a good half hour or more, and I'm still only on page 20 of 72. But I've not yet found anything to suggest this guy is not for real.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Agreed, and I'm shocked to say that. I defaulted at once to larp or shill. The Chans are just not a reliable source of intel. There's a lot here and I'm still reading - so far I can hardly believe it, it's coming off as legit to me.

One con however:

He says he's involved with crash retrieval, so that would surely have to make him a scientist or an engineer, but there's nothing really here that commends any hard scientific or engineering data or details, or contains sophisticated language you might expect an "expert" to use. He's actually quite inarticulate, and his text is riddled with basic proofing errors.

That said, there's a lot of interesting info. I tried to pick up a clue as to who he was working for, or what government or military branch. A couple of times he mentions Lockheed Martin, how "great" they are. I have no doubt they're one the contractors directly involved with reverse engineering recovered tech. So that's my guess. He worked for some secret R&D division in Lockheed Martin.

More,


Q: Are there any guidelines or procedures for releasing info to the public that you’re aware of?
A: For me, it was “You know what the USAF knows and nothing else ever” and things like the Space Force are going to be disinformation based.

What an answer. Sounds very very plausible that this is how things really are.


Q: What race of ayys (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ayys) we know actually exist?
A: Never had another one mentioned other than the ones I described

A deeply compartmentalized program has you laser focused on tasks confined to your cubicle only. This again is a very plausible answer.

Larpers tend to enlarge and elaborate, coming up with answers for everything. They are there only for their own ego. Insiders understate and stay strictly within their lane. This guy does that.

...continuing to read.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Here's a link to the still active thread: https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/34629564/?fbclid=IwAR0Vfs-b6nLRsLCYXOZdLNQO6rZwf-QY9LTBI3axXjr8KJH1BqDC5DU9g84

He hasn't posted for days now. One anon chipped in with -

>>3476287
Former military here... I think they straight up killed him. That's how you plug leaks.

Traffic accidents are great ways to stage accidents. Either that or they just strangled him at home. He has cancer after all, no one would question his death. Bob Lazar said he had death threats, so it would fit.

Also this:

>>34762773 (OP)
He said he had a Deadmans switch for if he dies, that everything will be posted on /x/.

[Hamish]

Hello,

Read what I can see from this link https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/34629564/

The poster says their knowledge involves in Monitoring what their Unit belives to be an off world contruction facility in or around the Bermuda Triangle.

The poster first says the US believes the facility has been active on earth for at least 100 years or much longer but also says when asked to comment about the origins, that their unit think's the construction facility has been around since at least 4000 BC and refers to sightings/paintings from the early eras of history.

The Poster believes the facility outputs specific craft per need i.e. science craft and or suvilliance drones.

The poster says from crashes they found typical looking humanoid greys, no comment from what I saw that they encountered any alive.

The Poster believes the Greys to be emotional and take hostile comments very seriously, considers that they act like uninterested Zoo Keepers, don't want to speak with us, see us as tools and do not seem to care if we die from any encounter with them. Also says the Greys cut their losses when crashes are recovered, Same with personnel. Poster says Zoo keepers aren't friends with the animals.

Says they have seen Military who approach the facility be destroyed and or the facility disappear for some time and move elsewere if trying to avoid Civiliian boats etc.

Says from the crashes they have encountered there has been slight variations to the craft, as if the craft was being "updated" says for a time they were piloted and then encountered less pilots and more automated and or remote operated craft. Poster belives happened as the craft encountered problems in certain areas and one area in Mexico is said to be an area they avoid.

Something seems off. It's like I am reading tib bits of information from say different Avalon threads.

We have a Race who apparently comes to Earth 1000-4000 years ago, lands, has advanced quioment but their craft keeps crashing, have total disdain for us and dont seem to care about their own craft and own race.

Would said advanced race not be concerned that their advanced craft and or bodies of their fallen would fall into the wrong hands? Would you take the risk of leaving a shot gun and spare ammo in the Gorilla enclosure just to see what if?

Sounds a bit of to me.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Would said advanced race not be concerned that their advanced craft and or bodies of their fallen would fall into the wrong hands?

I 'understand' from elsewhere (and tend to believe) that the Greys, though biological, are essentially clones, which they 'wear' like bio-suits. When one is destroyed (dies), their essence or consciousness simply zaps up to inhabit a new, waiting bio-suit. Like instant reincarnation.

That would explain why they don't much worry about fallen comrades.

As for leaving advanced technology behind, that's been happening since at least Roswell (and likely before). The first crashes were probably mistakes. But we know from various testimonies a treaty was signed at some point in the 50s: they get to abduct and experiment on us, no questions asked, and we get samples of their technology, including working craft to experiment on. That's what Area 51 (and S4) were for. If this is indeed true, and I strongly suspect it is, a few alien drones dropping out of the sky now - why race to gather up the pieces to prevent it falling into our hands? We already have this technology in our possession.

[Arcturian108]

Just finished all 72 pages of the pdf, and I am convinced that the guy is telling the truth. The most interesting element for me is the underwater facility in the Bermuda Triangle. This is a big, big giveaway for those of us who are aware.

[Bill Ryan]

Just finished all 72 pages of the pdf, and I am convinced that the guy is telling the truth.Yes. I read the whole thing as well (took a long time!), and I agree. I've had some experience with both genuine and fake whistleblowers, and one of the indicators of the real thing is when they readily admit to not knowing something, and are correspondingly careful with their exact statements. This guy does exactly that.

One instance of many: he was asked about the Varginha incident (in Brazil, Avalon thread here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96008-The-Brazilian-Varginha-Incident-1996----a-dramatic-UFO-landing-and-multiple-witness-case)), and said he didn't know about it. If he was an armchair ufologist masquerading as a whistleblower, he'd certainly be aware of it and would have been sure to showcase his knowledge by responding to the question in some detail.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I'm still tilting towards our Anon being the real deal, but I'm keeping it in mind that he uses some...suspect language.

He says he's never seen any 'discs' or worked on any discs, and that cigar-shaped vehicles are extremely rare - almost blowing them off. He seems to imply this phenomenon consists of 'pill-shaped' craft and 'tic-tacs'.

Until 5 minutes ago and for the entire history of Ufology they did not. They were discs and cigars. Ah...but discs and cigars are U.F.Os - and they don't exist! It's UAPs now...

We know very well who talks like this, and would also have nothing to say about the Varginha incident or any other historical case -- that's the fake disclosure bodies of the CIA, like the ODNI (Office of the Director of National Intelligence), AARO (All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office), the ridiculously named AOIMSG (Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group), and formerly AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program - Elizondo's boys).

[Le Chat]

I'm not familiar with 4chan but have started to read the pdf.
However, I'm confused as to what the numbers after a post mean
For example: "Anonymous Tue 25 Apr 2023 01:58:22 No.34631628"
At first I thought they might be a poster's 'personal' number for security purposes, but the number is different each and every time a poster posts a message.
Can someone please enlighten me? :sherlock:

[noprophet]

I'm not familiar with 4chan but have started to read the pdf.
However, I'm confused as to what the numbers after a post mean
For example: "Anonymous Tue 25 Apr 2023 01:58:22 No.34631628"
At first I thought they might be a poster's 'personal' number for security purposes, but the number is different each and every time a poster posts a message.
Can someone please enlighten me? :sherlock:

4chan is setup to be completely anonymous, so there is no way to continuously identify a user other than context.

The imgur link at the top has a clipped version if you want a cleaner overview.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I'm not familiar with 4chan but have started to read the pdf.
However, I'm confused as to what the numbers after a post mean
For example: "Anonymous Tue 25 Apr 2023 01:58:22 No.34631628"


That's the post number, and (I believe) they're sequential across the whole board regardless of thread. That means the above post was the 34,631,628th post on 4chan.

I think that's the case, if not someone can correct.

[Hamish]

I'm not familiar with 4chan but have started to read the pdf.
However, I'm confused as to what the numbers after a post mean
For example: "Anonymous Tue 25 Apr 2023 01:58:22 No.34631628"
At first I thought they might be a poster's 'personal' number for security purposes, but the number is different each and every time a poster posts a message.
Can someone please enlighten me? :sherlock:

Hello,

My own guess is that is the user random id: 34629564

I think in AMA type channels to avoid confusion, the person would keep having 34629564 in their posts.

This make it easier for peoople to follow.

But believe if starting a new session, the ID keeps changing like this Poster seems to have.

EDIT:

Here is what ChatGPT has to say:

The numbers associated with each 4chan post have a few different purposes:

Post Number: Each post on 4chan is assigned a unique post number by the server. This number is used to identify the post in replies and for other features, like reporting posts that violate the site's rules.

Replying: When a user replies to a post, they can use ">>" followed by the post number to directly reply to that post. For example, if a post has the number 123456789, a user could reply to it by typing ">>123456789" in their post.

Post Counting: In some threads, users might try to make a post with a "special" number, like 123456789 or 22222222. These posts are often called "GETs" and can sometimes lead to a lot of rapid posting as users try to hit the number.

Thread Identification: Each thread on 4chan is also identified by the post number of its original post (OP). This allows users to refer back to the original thread or to track the thread as it moves through the board.

Identification: In the rare cases where a user chooses to use a tripcode (a kind of pseudo-identity), this will also appear near their post number, though it's not the number itself.

[peace]

Exciting to read.

Ultimately, I think, fabrication.

Seems like the person receiving and answering these questions is lacking some fundamentals when it comes to this subject, is BLISSFULLY ignorant to very important and dangerous information regarding abduction/close encounters and has thrown a lot of babies out with a lot of bathwater, wrapped up in "not my department."

Someone in this position wouldn't be so ignorant to some of the simple questions posted to them here; questions that would probably be answered in the briefing file/packet on day 1.

I get the act of misdirection and not answering, but that's not what is presented here.

Fun stuff, but ultimately a distraction.

[Le Chat]

I get the act of misdirection and not answering, but that's not what is presented here.

Fun stuff, but ultimately a distraction.

That was what I was starting to think as I made my way through it all.
It just didn't 'feel' right

[Ewan]

Exciting to read.

Ultimately, I think, fabrication.

Seems like the person receiving and answering these questions is lacking some fundamentals when it comes to this subject, is BLISSFULLY ignorant to very important and dangerous information regarding abduction/close encounters and has thrown a lot of babies out with a lot of bathwater, wrapped up in "not my department."

Someone in this position wouldn't be so ignorant to some of the simple questions posted to them here; questions that would probably be answered in the briefing file/packet on day 1.

I get the act of misdirection and not answering, but that's not what is presented here.

Fun stuff, but ultimately a distraction.

Could that not be accounted for in a well developed, and run, compartmentalized environment?

Imagine a squeaky-clean college grad being recruited and trained gradually to the point where his brief is revealed. But every day, prior to that brief, he was reminded of the rules. Never do this, never do that.. serious consequences. Then it is just a matter of keeping 'need to know' groups apart from one another?

Anyway, I have nothing invested in this one way or another. I decided long ago we are not alone and I am unlikely to ever learn much more than that.

[Bright Skies]

There's a lot here and I'm still reading - so far I can hardly believe it, it's coming off as legit to me.

Yes, on first reading the information this anonymous 'whistleblower' relays seems a lot more believable than the usual anonymous forum whistleblower fare. It just feels different.

Or perhaps it is the concept that seems plausible. I had heard speculation of isolated islands being used as manufacturing hubs and launch pads (I can't remember who speculated this – possibly the late great John Lear?) but not a mobile construction facility that can move about and submerge under the ocean. So this mobile construction facility is pretty much a large UFO (or UAP) itself. Would there be only one?


One con however:

He says he's involved with crash retrieval, so that would surely have to make him a scientist or an engineer, but there's nothing really here that commends any hard scientific or engineering data or details, or contains sophisticated language you might expect an "expert" to use. He's actually quite inarticulate, and his text is riddled with basic proofing errors.

Yes, exactly! You would think he would be more technical and articulate. But he actually writes like someone on 4chan would write.

I first heard about the Varginha incident as a teenager. But the whistleblower never heard of it. So the black world would hire those who have zero knowledge or interest in the subject? Someone who is a complete clean-skin 'UFO virgin' so to speak?

Bill Ryan's comments are of particular interest as he has had close interaction with whistleblowers starting off in the Project Serpo disclosure days (or perhaps even before that?). When Bill Ryan's spidey-sense starts tingling, one should take notice!

If the information is true, partially true, or not true at all, I must say this thread was very fun and nostalgic for me and actually reminded me of the good old days when the world felt less perilous (and I'm saying that as someone who read the book Mystery 666 (https://www.maranathamrc.com/Mystery%20666.pdf) as a 10-year old!).

[noprophet]

There's a lot here and I'm still reading - so far I can hardly believe it, it's coming off as legit to me.

Yes, on first reading the information this anonymous 'whistleblower' relays seems a lot more believable than the usual anonymous forum whistleblower fare. It just feels different.

Or perhaps it is the concept that seems plausible. I had heard speculation of isolated islands being used as manufacturing hubs and launch pads (I can't remember who speculated this – possibly the late great John Lear?) but not a mobile construction facility that can move about and submerge under the ocean. So this mobile construction facility is pretty much a large UFO (or UAP) itself. Would there be only one?


One con however:

He says he's involved with crash retrieval, so that would surely have to make him a scientist or an engineer, but there's nothing really here that commends any hard scientific or engineering data or details, or contains sophisticated language you might expect an "expert" to use. He's actually quite inarticulate, and his text is riddled with basic proofing errors.

Yes, exactly! You would think he would be more technical and articulate. But he actually writes like someone on 4chan would write.

I first heard about the Varginha incident as a teenager. But the whistleblower never heard of it. So the black world would hire those who have zero knowledge or interest in the subject? Someone who is a complete clean-skin 'UFO virgin' so to speak?

Bill Ryan's comments are of particular interest as he has had close interaction with whistleblowers starting off in the Project Serpo disclosure days (or perhaps even before that?). When Bill Ryan's spidey-sense starts tingling, one should take notice!

If the information is true, partially true, or not true at all, I must say this thread was very fun and nostalgic for me and actually reminded me of the good old days when the world felt less perilous (and I'm saying that as someone who read the book Mystery 666 (https://www.maranathamrc.com/Mystery%20666.pdf) as a 10-year old!).

I just want to note here. I'm 36 years old and in a technical field. I'm very good at what I do, and I'm very professional. However, I also talk like someone who grew up on the internet, because I did. If I was to leak a bunch of stuff on 4chan that's what I, and many other millennials would sound like (remember, our generation is approaching 40 now. We're well out of the twenty-something wasteland.) We're also less about the put-on, more casual in our expression, especially to our peers. Most of the Whistleblower's Avalon is familiar with are boomer oriented and express themselves as such.

Also, if I was working in a field as highly classified as crash recovery, I would be very careful to not research UFOs on my very probably monitored internet/phone lines. In fact, it would probably be better, as he stated in the writing, to portray a disinterest in the subject on the whole, even to be sincerely disinterested, when working in a such a field.

I don't think Carmody is around anymore, but I would have been interested in his opinion on the "foil shell".

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I don't think Carmody is around anymore, but I would have been interested in his opinion on the "foil shell".

Unfortunately not, he's a long-term no-show, which is a shame. He could often see angles you couldn't, angles you didn't even know were there. He was one smart cookie.

[Bright Skies]

I just want to note here. I'm 36 years old and in a technical field. I'm very good at what I do, and I'm very professional. However, I also talk like someone who grew up on the internet, because I did. If I was to leak a bunch of stuff on 4chan that's what I, and many other millennials would sound like (remember, our generation is approaching 40 now. We're well out of the twenty-something wasteland.) We're also less about the put-on, more casual in our expression, especially to our peers. Most of the Whistleblower's Avalon is familiar with are boomer oriented and express themselves as such.

Thank you for your post noprophet. Very good points! Don't judge a book by its cover, or in this case – don't judge a whistleblower by their writing style.

And I am a millennial too!

And additionally it is sometimes necessary to present oneself in a certain way and blend in and fit with your target audience. I wonder how the conversation would have gone if the alleged whistleblower had decided to post here on Project Avalon instead.


Also, if I was working in a field as highly classified as crash recovery, I would be very careful to not research UFOs on my very probably monitored internet/phone lines. In fact, it would probably be better, as he stated in the writing, to portray a disinterest in the subject on the whole, even to be sincerely disinterested, when working in a such a field.

:ufo:
:silent:




I don't think Carmody is around anymore, but I would have been interested in his opinion on the "foil shell".

Unfortunately not, he's a long-term no-show, which is a shame. He could often see angles you couldn't, angles you didn't even know were there. He was one smart cookie.

I am not a regular forum poster but the username Carmody is very familiar to me. I was unaware that he no longer posts. I hope he is well.

Also, the Antarctica information that was linked to on the 4chan thread also caught my attention big time (page 59 of the PDF document): https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/Paranormal_Thread_34629564_%28April_2023%29.pdf

Which links to here: https://img.4plebs.org/boards/x/image/1640/19/1640197620388.png

[jimbobule]

https://imgur.io/a/NXjWQaN#39X68By

Interesting. Enjoy

Edit:
Thread merged - this has already been posted, see OP.

[Szymon]

Hi Friends,

This is slightly off-topic, but does anybody know or remember anything about this 4chan image supposedly posted on 30/03/2015? I looked at a few of the 4chan archives and just can't find that post number.

51085

Cheers,
Szymon

[Blastolabs]

Many things he mentioned line up with how I have heard scientists talk about working on classified projects. For example how he mentions that talking about other projects would be career suicide.