Paradise

[Eagle Eye]

Do you believe that Paradise exist? The highest order of things and eternal Peace.


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[grapevine]

Just to clarify, do you mean here on earth, other dimensions or perhaps a state of mind?

[Eagle Eye]

We can think of it as a highest creation. If paradise has a portal to enter, than it can't be here on earth, but somewhere else, maybe another dimension.

[Le Chat]

I don't believe that a 'paradise' exists....

[Anna70]

Thank you for your post, which prompted me to remember that as a very young child, I somehow had the very strong notion that there would be an end to all the wars I was hearing about on TV before too long, and I remember feeling genuinely surprised that they were still at it with the silly violence.
I'm not sure if it was just my naivety; admittedly, I've always been a bit of a dreamer... When listening to my father telling my sister and me about Hansel and Gretel, I always insisted the witch should not get pushed into the oven, but use her powers to do good instead.
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Anyway, to answer your question, I do believe that there is some sort of Paradise out there somewhere.

[ExomatrixTV]

Define the word: "believe"


... I rather: know, experience, being aware, being consciousness of etc. etc.

If belief/believe is (very) similar to words like: "hope" and/or "wishing" and/or "assuming" and/or "guessing" etc. etc. I fully understand why people do that.

And in my view, there is nothing wrong to admit: "I do not know (for sure)"


Not for sure knowing does not mean it is "impossible" ;)

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[palehorse]

as John wrote right above perfectly.
Paradise is BS (believe system) as hell as well.

How could the poor of me possibly know about such a thing, I can only wonder and try the best of my abilities to live a meaningful life, would that be some "sort of" paradise?

[Eagle Eye]

Define the word: "believe"


There is a contradiction in dictionary. The translation of the word "believe": to accept that (something) is true, especially without proof.
It stops there (without proof). They do not mention " the signs", what are the signs: an object, quality, or event whose presence or occurrence indicates the probable presence or occurrence of something else.

The signs comes usually in smaller or greater examples that happen during life, that has deep explanation. If the person is well aware and focused on that, when it happens, will understand it.

If someone is aware of the tests in life, is also aware that a simulation (in small degree) of experiencing heaven and hell will happen during this life.

[mountain_jim]

Yes - it's by the dashboard light (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUZk3mzwxNk).

[thepainterdoug]

I have a problem with the concept of paradise as I also have a problem with things like holidays, celebrations, and all else that grants us a "time out" from the everyday.
We only can know thru a duality. paradise needs a comparison to be known. a non paradise. Like rest. rest is understood thru its opposite, work effort etc.

I always come up with the uneasy thought " now what"? Now that I have this or accomplished that? what is left to do but loose it ?

I am very uneasy on vacations. seems silly doesnt it ? but a part of me is already knowing it will be ending and then there will be the facing of some other reality. the reality that needed a vacation in the first place.

I am also uneasy with the concept of nothingness or peace. nothingness needs consciousness to be identified as such. so there has to be something to know it
peace requires its opposite, war to know it.

The NDE people seem to explain it all well, but since I have not experienced an NDE , I need to believe it.

[Eagle Eye]

I am also uneasy with the concept of nothingness or peace

Peace doesn't mean to be in nothingness, but to live in absence of evil.

[thepainterdoug]

Eagle Eye. my bad , I conflated words there. I meant to say, "with the concept of nothingness and also with the concept of peace. I was describing two separate concepts.

[Matthew]

Do you believe that Paradise exist? The highest order of things and eternal Peace.

Yes, first as a matter of religious dogma but then its come closer and more personal, like I've seen a flash of it... or something I can understand that represents it. Like a pure instruction set with operations of only love and an unstoppable pouring out of that. But where we are with what I think of as freedom, doing what we want, putting the square peg in the round hole if we want, ...using a hammer to achieve that because it kind of works, having difficulty affording food on a planet that does nothing but produce free food, paying for water on a planet made of water where water falls from the skies most places, using a tumble dryer when we have a sunny garden... You get the idea; we're absolutely bonkers mad. We constantly go against the purest, simplest solution then compound this down generations. Self-awareness is optional, but copying people around us is very important.

So despite paradise transmitting non-stop beams of all love all the time we manage to screw this up, and that's not paradise's fault. In fact fault is not an operation that exists in [my interpretation of] paradise, there are just more beams of love. Paradise doesn't transmit a shadow of the past (but we each have one), paradise only beams love then more love.

Then, most of the time, in our self-made crazy world, our days can be so difficult it's hard to visualise paradise or hold it as a viable concept.

[bobme]

Like the question. yet I feel it does not exist here. Too many people here, {on earth. to eagerly to corrupt it. Find a sort of paradise, and it will be corrupted, or tarnished by those who would wish to cash in on it. If you know what I mean.

A song popped into my mind when I first read the thread title.

it was written by A member of the Eagles band. called paradise.

Sorry, can not find the song right now.

Thanks anyway:sun:

[ExomatrixTV]

What if the vast majority of Souls get easily bored after a while and really want some (interesting) challenges ... What if in a multiverse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse) a "parallel world" does exist where everything is perfect with no evil at all ... as the moment you hurt anyone you feel the same pain immediately ... "instant karma effect" ... that means people having truly 100% access to their fullest potential ... Now, why would Souls from that perfect parallel world want to be here in our Fcked Up world? ... Read my first sentence again!

Do we have a (temporary) amnesia (who we really are) on purpose to make it more interesting?


By the way, the above insight might also apply for Alien Souls having similar issues on other planets ... even the most sophisticated "control freaks" Souls may reach a point they get bored too and want something different.

I can say these things because am not obsessed with scripture ... am not a slave to what others tell me "how to think" or "what to think" ... especially when you are beyond the fear conditioning.

My "What if" questions are not meant to be "evidence" of anything ... it is just me having an alternative (not fixated) "belief/believe" what I call: "planting seeds of considerations".

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cheers,
John Kuhles (https://www.facebook.com/JohnKuhles/) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
May 31st, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

[Eagle Eye]

What if the vast majority of Souls get easily bored after a while and really want some (interesting) challenges ...

Now, why should Souls from that perfect parallel world want to be here in our Fcked Up world?

1. There is a lot more freedom by obeying the rules, than in chaos, but people fail to understand that. In a world of perfect order, there is infinite freedom, by obeying it's rules, than the illusion of freedom by breaking them. It seem a contradiction, but it's not. I will show you an example, you have more freedom in a big city with it's rules set, than in a vast desert that is larger and you can do whatever you want, but it's not much you can do anyway. That is the difference between order and chaos.

2. It was not our choice to be here and experiencing this duality, but it was decreed so.

3. Not everyone deserve to be in a perfect world (paradise), you have to meet it's standard.

[ExomatrixTV]

What if the vast majority of Souls get easily bored after a while and really want some (interesting) challenges ...

Now, why should Souls from that perfect parallel world want to be here in our Fcked Up world?

1. There is a lot more freedom by obeying the rules, than in chaos, but people fail to understand that. In a world of perfect order, there is infinite freedom, by obeying the main rules, than the illusion of freedom by braking them. It seem a contradiction, but it's not. I will show you an example, you have more freedom in a big city with it's rules set, than in a vast desert that is larger and you can do whatever you want, but it's not much you can do anyway. That is the difference between order and chaos.

2. It was not our choice to be here and experiencing this duality, but it was decreed so.

3. Not everyone deserve to be in a perfect world (paradise), you have to meet it's standard.

Quoting me out of rhetorical (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetorical) context is not what I am about, especially when you use scripture as your "main focus" only.


My "What if" questions (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121219-Paradise&p=1560113&viewfull=1#post1560113) are not meant to be "evidence" of anything ... it is just me having an alternative (not fixated) "belief/believe" what I call: "planting seeds of considerations".



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[ExomatrixTV]

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[Pris]

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Belief isn't required when you know. For me, I'd say that Paradise (NOT peace) -- my state of absolute creative joy, playfulness, and loving bliss -- has always been inside me. It's something I've actually manifested and experienced here on Earth and during my OBEs.

[Carlitos]

I agree with Pris - Paradise is a state of mind.

When pain, fear, anger, jealousy, confusion, etc is washed out of you (a cleans, a meditation, a bath in pure love, a surrender and state of acceptance - self induced or otherwise) - then you will see that you are whole, you can recognize your soul - you can realize who and what you are and how that fits into the greater hyper-dimensional reality. You can experience true bliss, calmness, peace, contentment, love => let's call that paradise. Once you recognize that, you can have moments of bliss throughout the day, anywhere, anytime, if you just stop to remember that it is there.

It seems obvious that most human beings are being kept from having this feeling, which is why paradise seems an unreachable concept, instead of a matter of course, as it could be.

[Eagle Eye]

I would say it's mostly a state of soul, than a state of mind, but what exists in the inside is materialised also in the outside, so the paradise has to be a perfect state on the inside and outside.

[ian33]

if there is a doggy heaven, i would much prefer to a judgemental anthromorphised god..you can trust a dog to share unconditional love..that is paradise for me

[Docim369]

This would better be told in poetic terms...Heaven is within us...it seems you cannot grasp it with the mind...it is unity in the midst of worldly duality...it rings a bell to me when a teacher said: I am not of this world, by this I believe he meant he is of the heavenly realm...I believe we all are but we somehow choose our experience in this "world"...I find this heavenly realm as a strong experience of ECSTATIC UNITY, LOVE...many micstics, NDE experiencers, poets and others have felt it, dwelt in it... I KNOW it to be true! :heart2:

[lake]

Perfection ... a stagnate pond.
Nothing is gained from being perfect or all knowing.

A beautiful garden is only beautiful from a limited perception .... There is 'nature' and that holds vast fears for near all within it.

Do you really wish to dwell in the 'Paradise'?
Nice for a visit .... A bit like a few weeks off from the daily grind .... But to exist there for eternity???
Would you actually want to?

No challenges, no wrongs to put right .... nothing to learn as you know all there is to know!

A paradise is a 'dead end' ....... From my point of view, there is potential .... but in a 'paradise' there is only limitation and repetitiveness!

Two pence opinion so please excuse me :)

[Eagle Eye]

Once they enter it, they wish to never leave it. (from the Scripture)

[lake]

So in this 'Paradise' .... what are YOU going to do?

What can you create in perfection?

What is this realm 'like' for you?

What will you become in a perfect world with no 'drama' to engage?

A perfect paradise is nothing but a dead end.

Tell me why I am wrong?

[Eagle Eye]

This creation is nothing compared to the Paradise, also if you ever had a blessed day, than you just experienced a glimpse of it.

[lake]

This creation is nothing compared to the Paradise, also if you ever had a blessed day, than you just experienced a glimpse of it.

Not really an answer my friend .... I ask you again:

Would you really wish to live for eternity in a 'Paradise'?

[Heart to heart]

One morning I awoke with these words

“ I know not whence I came
Or why I linger here
I only know that love remains
Within my heart
From some place
Far away, far, far beyond the stars
Where Love creates all things with joy.”

This may be paradise?

[Eagle Eye]

Would you really wish to live for eternity in a 'Paradise'?



That's what I wish. All those people who have experienced a glimpse of it, wish it too.

[lake]

Would you really wish to live for eternity in a 'Paradise'?



That's what I wish. All those people who have experienced a glimpse of it, wish it too.

Fair enough .... I think that I would get very bored, very quickly!
You know .... Knowing EVERYTHING and having NOTHING to do which I hadn't already done!

I think that .... even after millions of years (well it couldn't be that as I already have done and know all things) of trying to 'like' perfection .... very boring!

Paradise .... What is it?

Please explain it to me as I only see it as a empty hole in the ground .... NOTHING new will come out of it; It is already only itself and can be no more!

By the way .... just so you know .... I believe in VASTLY more than I.

[Docim369]

Lake, much gratitude for your questions. It is hard to explain everything with words. Its about experience. I agree, we also need body experience once in while, until we find 'home' again and stop the 'fight' and just be. Or you can just fight all the time if you wish to, ofcourse.

[lake]

Lake, much gratitude for your questions. It is hard to explain everything with words. Its about experience. I agree, we also need body experience once in while, until we find 'home' again and stop the 'fight' and just be. Or you can just fight all the time if you wish to, ofcourse.

Thank you Docim but what is 'Paradise' from your point of perception?

I mean .... What is it?

[lake]

Lets have an idea of a conversation:

Me: Hey Docim how is it going here in Paradise?

Docim: All great .... love it here .... No harm, everyone only loves and all is given, no one wants and all are always equal.

Me: Nice mate, that must be so wonderful?

Docim: Yes it is .... Only 'love' nothing else .... such a joy to be within.

Me: What do you do with your time? I take it that you allow time?

Docim: Yes we allow time but only for 'love' of other. We write books and create music and beautiful art and do whatever fulfils use.

Me: Sweet deal Docim .... I am off back to the chaos (I know that you don't like it but anyway) be creative and I respect your choice to be here in Perfection (Paradise).

!0 Billion Years Later ....

Me: Hey Docim, how is it going?

Docim: Hi lake .... well it is all ... goodish.

Me: What you been upto?

Docim: Errm .... well .... we write books and do art ....... and you know .... all that stuff!

Me: Anything new mate?

Docim: Yer sorry I have things to do again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again etc

[Pris]

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With regard to "Paradise"...

When you find love
When you find your love
When you find the things
.....you love to do
And, remember that it all comes
.....from deep inside of you
It's always new
.....and you always knew
That is Paradise.



"There never seems to be enough time
.....to do the things you want to do
..........once you find them..."


Jim Croce - Time in a Bottle

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[Docim369]

I like the parable Swami Vivekananda gives about trying to fix things of this world: it's like trying to straighten a pig's tail once you try to do that, when you let it go it goes back to it's place. I believe it's about letting go and surrendering to the incorruptible, everlasting Divine Truth, which some would simply call Love.

[Matthew]

Lets have an idea of a conversation:
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!0 Billion Years Later ....

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Reminds me of the Futurama episode where Gary Gygax, IBM's chess computer Deep Blue, Stephen Hawking and others are stuck at the end of time with no universe. Gary Gygax suggests they play Dungeons & Dragons for the next quadzillion years which goes down well with the other nerds.

A short medley (34s total) of all of Gary Gygax's appearances in Futurama... the scene I referenced is at the end

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I find it hard to stay in the same room as someone for longer than two hours. So how many lifetimes of experience will it take for me to tolerate being in the same room for a quadzillion years, let alone eternity!? ...I'm not sure I'm ready for that.

But the world teaches us as we go along and people mellow with age. Although I hear that people get less tolerant with age. I forgot what my point was. I guess it was that we're here to age. Oh, I remembered, it was something like we're here to learn but the bar of perfection is super high so the process to get there can take near eternity... to get to eternity. There are fabled shortcuts but I'd only trust the ones centered around love.

I don't have the answers but I do have a lot of waffle. :bowing:

[pabranno]

Bobme,

Perhaps you’re referring to a song titled “The Last Resort” by the Eagles?

Great thread….

Pamela

[Eagle Eye]

I have said it before, we cannot understand the concept of eternity from our prespective, because our capacity is limited.
All we can understand is that Paradise is among the highest degree of creation and it is nearer to the Creator.

[ExomatrixTV]

Once they enter it, they wish to never leave it. (from the Scripture)
So if it is from "scripture", am I correct to assume that from your perspective, you do not have to question any of it? ... You just say "it is" and your own quality of thinking is solely based upon seeing "scripture" as the "highest authority" ... Anyone who dares to question that, suppose to be "evil" or "possessed/influenced by demons"? ... Yes? ... If it turns out to be different from "scripture" (written by humans) you just blame scripture not yourself? ... Maybe I am missing something, and you DO question everything too, and you are not (seemingly) obsessed with scripture ... Then I stand corrected.

* fascinating psychological mechanisms!

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* Side note, but 100% on topic:

In the past I was always fascinated with the: "Adam & Eve Story" being in "Paradise on Earth" not in "the Heavens" but here on Earth.

And in this "perfect" realm called: "Paradise" everything in there is/was a creation of the (alleged) God ... so in essence God is 100% responsible for the creation of a "talking snake" lying (but also telling partial truths) to Eve... RIGHT?

Adam & Eve suppose NOT to eat Apples from the "Tree of Knowledge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_the_knowledge_of_good_and_evil)" (then why put it there? Why not build a big fence around it?) ... Let's assume it was/is a "spiritual test" an obedience test to the (alleged) God and Eve failed by eating an Apple from the "Tree of Knowledge" because Eve listened to a "Talking Snake" also part of "God's Creation!".

I immediately assumed that the Apple is/was not necessarily containing "superior knowledge" but rather it is the intellect that wants to examine, inquiring, exploring and any form of curiosity can be a path of LEARNING about "good & bad" <<< without all that you are just going to live without "intellect" and you blindly trust what you are told by (an alleged) "God" assuming he is not an Alien posing as a "God".

If I am correct, from "God's perspective" the Apple in the Garden of Eden does not need to be special at all because it was most likely NOT about the "ingredients" of The Apple but rather it was solely an "obedience test" which is an intellectual and "spiritual" test ... When "passed" or "failed", both are also a form of gaining "knowledge" ... but it is one-sided ... if Adam & Eve passed the test they themselves still do not know what it means to fail the test from a being that might be just an Alien posing as "God" testing its own new hybrid races adding "intellect" capacity to a "genetically upgraded animals" ???

You see, IF that is the case ... the "talking snake" in "Paradise" might be a product of Alien Genetic intervention millions of years ago that REBELLED against the Aliens being FED UP how they are used in an experiment that failed! ... So they had to make a different "smarter" new species who are more obedient to the alleged "God" and this Alien posing as "God" used FEAR of them AND FEAR the "genetically upgraded" Reptilians (who can speak) to be used in a "master plan" .... Most likely because Reptilians lost many wars, they had to go underground found different alien allies to "survive" ... because they are in the minority they had to find different ways to dominate again ... All of this makes complete & perfect sense to me, even if it is all "just speculation" on my side.

* Story made short: The Reptilians ("talking snakes") in Eden AND the "God of the Old Testament" are in my view both are totally fcked up!

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If nobody wants to leave Paradise (according to "scripture"), if that is 100% correct, how would you know? ... Because there is nobody who can tell you that >>> assuming they will not leave it ever! ... Oh wait, we not suppose to use our intellect unless it serves a specific agenda without questioning it :facepalm:

Prime Creator is way too big for any man-made and/or alien made religions! ... any (alleged) "God" that needs worship is a big red flag for me!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Eagle Eye]

It wasn't the purpose to protect Adam and Eve from the forbidden fruit, but to test them. Due to the nature of humans, it was unavoidable, so we are exactly experiencing what we were ment to experience. So do not blame Adam or Eve, but be grateful that God accepted their repentance, as He will accept it from everyone who will call upon Him.

[Docim369]

ExomatrixTV, I do agree with many of your points about the scriptures. I think everything should be discerned and not taken for granted but not ignored also. My experience, for example, is that the the nature of this experience we are having on this plane is SPIRITUAL, that is the same thing the scriptures state and that is a confirmation for me. And also to enter the God's kingdom by becoming a child (scriptures) is also a confirmation, as a child I felt that and I know that as an adult by experience. All the intellectual work and knowing the dark side tactics, knowing philosophy can guide and help but just by that one still cannot catch a rabbit. Again, as I have said, in my experience and the experiences of many others it is about surrendering to "THE LIFE GIVING FORCE, COSMIC INTELLIGENCE", its about overcoming ego driven mind. Of course I understand we all have different preferences and models and that is perfectly fine. :heart2:

[Matthew]

It wasn't the purpose to protect Adam and Eve from the forbidden fruit, but to test them. Due to the nature of humans, it was unavoidable, so we are exactly experiencing what we were ment to experience. So do not blame Adam or Eve, but be grateful that God accepted their repentance, as He will accept it from everyone who will call upon Him.

This is my interpretation too, which for me comes from the Nag Hammadi collection, The Secret Book (Apocryphon) of John, Marvin Meyer Translation.

Layers of acting agents will take responsibility for mans origin or state, but The Great Spirit works anonymously, and layers below are constantly surprised by His actions.

Annotations of the below section, that I can't find anymore, commented that the reason for Adam & Eve's descent was for us to experience things, so we could learn to live, love and die, to work towards perfection.

I've come to feel the fabled expulsion from paradise/garden of Eden/whatever was OUR escape from a sort of prison where we were threatened with stagnation being held back. The Great Spirit will constantly work with the underdog. We pull up the weeds but look again... they can be amazing food and medicine. Never write off the underdog. Humans are the 'weeds' of the spiritual multiverse and the spiritual multiverse is full of surprises even when you think you've nailed it, something comes along to show you, nope not yet. (edit add: for both us and 'authorities' at all levels)

Secret Book of John link (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_sbj.htm)


THE IMPRISONMENT OF HUMANITY

The human being Adam was revealed through the bright shadow within. And Adam’s ability to think was greater than that of all the creators. When they looked up, they saw that Adam’s ability to think was greater, and they devised a plan with the whole throng of rulers and angels. They took fire, earth, and water, and combined them with the four fiery winds. They wrought them together and made a great commotion.

The rulers brought Adam into the shadow of death so that they might produce a figure again, from earth, water, fire, and the spirit that comes from matter, that is, from the ignorance of darkness, and desire, and their own false spirit. This is the cave for remodeling the body that these criminals put on the human, the fetter of forgetfulness. Adam became a mortal being, the first to descend and the first to become estranged.

The enlightened afterthought within Adam, however, would rejuvenate Adam’s mind.

The rulers took Adam and put Adam in paradise. They said, Eat, meaning, do so in a leisurely manner. But in fact their pleasure is bitter and their beauty is perverse. Their pleasure is a trap, their trees are a sacrilege, their fruit is deadly poison, their promise is death.

They put their tree of life in the middle of paradise.

I shall teach you the secret of their life, the plan they devised together, the nature of their spirit: The root of their tree is bitter, its branches are death, its shadow is hatred, a trap is in its leaves, its blossom is bad ointment, its fruit is death, desire is its seed, it blossoms in darkness. The dwelling place of those who taste of it is the underworld, and darkness is their resting place.

But the rulers lingered in front of what they call the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which is the enlightened afterthought, so that Adam might not behold its fullness and recognize his shameful nakedness.

But I was the one who induced them to eat.

I said to the savior, Master, was it not the snake that instructed Adam to eat?

The savior laughed and said, The snake instructed them to eat of the wickedness of sexual desire and destruction so that Adam might be of use to the snake. This is the one who knew Adam was disobedient because of the enlightened afterthought within Adam, which made Adam stronger of mind than the first ruler. The first ruler wanted to recover the power that he himself had passed on to Adam. So he brought deep sleep upon Adam.

I said to the savior, What is this deep sleep?

The savior said, It is not as Moses wrote and you heard. He said in his first book, He put Adam to sleep. Rather, this deep sleep was a loss of sense. Thus the first ruler said through the prophet, I shall make their minds sluggish, that they may neither understand nor discern.

[ExomatrixTV]

It wasn't the purpose to protect Adam and Eve from the forbidden fruit, but to test them. Due to the nature of humans, it was unavoidable, so we are exactly experiencing what we were ment to experience. So do not blame Adam or Eve, but be grateful that God accepted their repentance, as He will accept it from everyone who will call upon Him.

It seems @Eagle Eye (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?10618-Eagle-Eye) you are not really reading what I have written here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121219-Paradise&p=1560572#post1560572) and why I state certain things ... your focus is scripture only 24/7 ... that is clear to me.


Prime Creator is way too big for any man-made and/or alien made religions! ... any (alleged) "God" that needs worship is a big red flag for me!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Pris]

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It wasn't the purpose to protect Adam and Eve from the forbidden fruit, but to test them. Due to the nature of humans, it was unavoidable, so we are exactly experiencing what we were ment to experience. So do not blame Adam or Eve, but be grateful that God accepted their repentance, as He will accept it from everyone who will call upon Him.

It seems you are not really reading what I have written here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121219-Paradise&p=1560572#post1560572) and why I state certain things ... your focus is scripture only 24/7 ... that is clear to me.


Here's another interpretation... If the fruit of the Tree of Life is the sacred oil, the Christos (Christ), that travels up and down the spine... and that sacred oil is wasted by "watering it down" through overindulging in sex and drinking alcohol in the physical world, as examples, then the door to Heaven will not open. However, if the body (and temple/Cave, skull) is properly taken care of, the Snake -- the Kundalini... the electrical current ("angels" or angles of light) traveling up and down the cerebrospinal system (Jacob's Ladder, 33 vertebrae of the spine) will rise up to the pineal gland (the "third eye") and open the door to Heaven... Paradise. Lo and behold: the out-of-body experience.


I started a new thread here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121242-The-Highest-Sacred-Spiritual-Knowledge&p=1560723&viewfull=1#post1560723

[ExomatrixTV]

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It wasn't the purpose to protect Adam and Eve from the forbidden fruit, but to test them. Due to the nature of humans, it was unavoidable, so we are exactly experiencing what we were ment to experience. So do not blame Adam or Eve, but be grateful that God accepted their repentance, as He will accept it from everyone who will call upon Him.

It seems you are not really reading what I have written here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121219-Paradise&p=1560572#post1560572) and why I state certain things ... your focus is scripture only 24/7 ... that is clear to me.


Here's another interpretation... If the fruit of the Tree of Life is the sacred oil, the Christos (Christ), that travels up and down the spine... and that sacred oil is wasted by "watering it down" through overindulging in sex and drinking alcohol in the physical world, as examples, then the door to Heaven will not open. However, if the body (and temple/Cave, skull) is properly taken care of, the Snake -- the Kundalini... the electrical current ("angels" or angles of light) traveling up and down the cerebrospinal system (Jacob's Ladder, 33 vertebrae of the spine) will rise up to the pineal gland (the "third eye") and open the door to Heaven... Paradise. Lo and behold: the out-of-body experience.


I started a new thread here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121242-The-Highest-Sacred-Spiritual-Knowledge&p=1560723&viewfull=1#post1560723


So why is it "forbidden" ???

[Pris]

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It wasn't the purpose to protect Adam and Eve from the forbidden fruit, but to test them. Due to the nature of humans, it was unavoidable, so we are exactly experiencing what we were ment to experience. So do not blame Adam or Eve, but be grateful that God accepted their repentance, as He will accept it from everyone who will call upon Him.

It seems you are not really reading what I have written here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121219-Paradise&p=1560572#post1560572) and why I state certain things ... your focus is scripture only 24/7 ... that is clear to me.


Here's another interpretation... If the fruit of the Tree of Life is the sacred oil, the Christos (Christ), that travels up and down the spine... and that sacred oil is wasted by "watering it down" through overindulging in sex and drinking alcohol in the physical world, as examples, then the door to Heaven will not open. However, if the body (and temple/Cave, skull) is properly taken care of, the Snake -- the Kundalini... the electrical current ("angels" or angles of light) traveling up and down the cerebrospinal system (Jacob's Ladder, 33 vertebrae of the spine) will rise up to the pineal gland (the "third eye") and open the door to Heaven... Paradise. Lo and behold: the out-of-body experience.


I started a new thread here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121242-The-Highest-Sacred-Spiritual-Knowledge&p=1560723&viewfull=1#post1560723


So why is it "forbidden" ???


It does sound rather harsh, doesn't it... To say it is "forbidden" to eat the fruit from the Tree of Life, the gift, the Christos... Still, it makes sense when we realize we "degenerate", shorten our lives (our life force), and separate ourselves from "Christ" (our true spiritual nature) each and every time we waste that electrical energy in the physical realm.

[Eagle Eye]

Here's another interpretation... If the fruit of the Tree of Life is the sacred oil, the Christos (Christ), that travels up and down the spine... and that sacred oil is wasted by "watering it down" through overindulging in sex and drinking alcohol in the physical world, as examples, then the door to Heaven will not open. However, if the body (and temple/Cave, skull) is properly taken care of, the Snake -- the Kundalini... the electrical current ("angels" or angles of light) traveling up and down the cerebrospinal system (Jacob's Ladder, 33 vertebrae of the spine) will rise up to the pineal gland (the "third eye") and open the door to Heaven... Paradise. Lo and behold: the out-of-body experience.


It seems a made up theory, because it isn't based on anything.

[ExomatrixTV]

Here's another interpretation... If the fruit of the Tree of Life is the sacred oil, the Christos (Christ), that travels up and down the spine... and that sacred oil is wasted by "watering it down" through overindulging in sex and drinking alcohol in the physical world, as examples, then the door to Heaven will not open. However, if the body (and temple/Cave, skull) is properly taken care of, the Snake -- the Kundalini... the electrical current ("angels" or angles of light) traveling up and down the cerebrospinal system (Jacob's Ladder, 33 vertebrae of the spine) will rise up to the pineal gland (the "third eye") and open the door to Heaven... Paradise. Lo and behold: the out-of-body experience.


It seems a made up theory, because it isn't based on anything.


... and yours is based upon "scripture (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121219-Paradise&p=1560572&viewfull=1#post1560572)" written by humans (https://johnleefisherjr.medium.com/astro-theology-the-true-story-of-jesuss-the-sun-s-birth-death-and-resurrection-383041b701a7)!

[Eagle Eye]

... and yours is based upon "scripture" written by humans

I don't think we are the only creation being tested in the universe and to those being tested, God sends messengers from their kind. If people would see angels messengers, they would believe in God right away, but that is not the way. So yes, the holy Scriptures are written by the hands of men, but sent and taught to the messengers by God.

[ExomatrixTV]

... and yours is based upon "scripture" written by humans

I don't think we are the only creation being tested in the universe and to those being tested, God sends messengers from their kind. If people would see angels messengers, they would believe in God right away, but that is not the way. So yes, the holy Scriptures are written by the hands of men, but sent and taught to the messengers by God.

@Eagle Eye (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?10618-Eagle-Eye)... using your logic/wisdom, Pris (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?23725-Pris) could also be a "messenger of God" too ... and if you say: "no that is impossible" ... I would say to you: "Who are you to limit the possibilities of God?"

There is no monopoly with genuine, honest spirituality (maybe there are endless sparks of the Devine active, and you're not even realizing it) ... Most religions are all about control and claiming their "interpretation" is the "highest authority (https://youtube.com/watch?v=yJBcA_KlZpw)" and because of that (myopic) attitude we still have endless wars going on ... Atheists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism) too, have their rigid tunnel vision belief-systems, that ALSO can lead to horrific war crimes!


Prime Creator is way too big for any man-made and/or alien made religions! ... any (alleged) "God" that needs worship is a big red flag for me!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Pris]

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I have said it before, we cannot understand the concept of eternity from our prespective, because our capacity is limited.
All we can understand is that Paradise is among the highest degree of creation and it is nearer to the Creator.


Not "we"... When you speak of limitations and the inability to Know eternity, you speak for yourself. I find the answers are within me, and I speak for myself. The "Creator" is in me and is me. "As above, so below." In others words, there is no "above" and there is no "below".





Here's another interpretation... If the fruit of the Tree of Life is the sacred oil, the Christos (Christ), that travels up and down the spine... and that sacred oil is wasted by "watering it down" through overindulging in sex and drinking alcohol in the physical world, as examples, then the door to Heaven will not open. However, if the body (and temple/Cave, skull) is properly taken care of, the Snake -- the Kundalini... the electrical current ("angels" or angles of light) traveling up and down the cerebrospinal system (Jacob's Ladder, 33 vertebrae of the spine) will rise up to the pineal gland (the "third eye") and open the door to Heaven... Paradise. Lo and behold: the out-of-body experience.


It seems a made up theory, because it isn't based on anything.


Bible stories, for example, were not meant to be taken literally. Back in the day, most people were illiterate. To explain complex, abstract concepts, those who told the stories used parables, metaphors, and allegories.

I say that many -- if not most -- people, unfortunately, are completely unaware of who and what they are. They lack the knowledge to recognize the true nature of "reality" constantly manifesting around them in everything and recognize it in themselves. The proof -- the blueprint -- is there for all to see and experience. I see it. I experience it. It all fits. The sacred oil -- the "Christ" -- is within me. "Christ awareness" is my individual unique crystal consciousness. I am a zero-point spiritual being who, at the moment, is living in a liquid crystal body remembering who and what I am. And, I am Good.

[Pris]

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... and yours is based upon "scripture" written by humans

I don't think we are the only creation being tested in the universe and to those being tested, God sends messengers from their kind. If people would see angels messengers, they would believe in God right away, but that is not the way. So yes, the holy Scriptures are written by the hands of men, but sent and taught to the messengers by God.

@Eagle Eye (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?10618-Eagle-Eye)... using your logic/wisdom, Pris (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?23725-Pris) could also be a "messenger of God" too ... and if you say: "no that is impossible" ... I would say to you: "Who are you to limit the possibilities of God?"

There is no monopoly with genuine, honest spirituality (maybe there are endless sparks of the Devine active, and you're not even realizing it) ... Most religions are all about control and claiming their "interpretation" is the "highest authority (https://youtube.com/watch?v=yJBcA_KlZpw)" and because of that (myopic) attitude we still have endless wars going on ... Atheists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism) too, have their rigid tunnel vision belief-systems, that ALSO can lead to horrific war crimes!


Prime Creator is way too big for any man-made and/or alien made religions! ... any (alleged) "God" that needs worship is a big red flag for me!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳


Yes... I say we are all "messengers". We are all "angels/fallen angels", angles of light coming "down" to Earth, living electrical currents inhabiting physical forms, recording our experiences with individual and singular intent and purpose, each one of us as a SINGULARITY... and, when we remember this, we remember that we are Good.

And, "good" is just another way of saying God.

[ExomatrixTV]

Here's What Nobody Told You About Adam And Eve:

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Impressive!

[Eagle Eye]

There is a main rule about the holy Scripture, when someone twist the verses and mix them with ideas that contradict those verses, is to be dismissed right away, because he wants attention and fame and not seeking the truth.

There are many misconception about the story of Adam and Eve. According to the main Scriptures (Torah, Bible and Quran), the garden of Eden wasn't in heaven or paradise, but here on earth.
God created Adam from clay, in the form of a human statue, then He breathed the soul and then begins the life of the human being. About the soul of human or every being, God speaks in Scripture that it is being given little knowledge to humans about "the soul"(what, where, how).
After Adam was created, God gathered all main angels and demanded to bow to Adam, because He created a being, higher in degree. All angels bowed down, except Lucifer, he refused, because he said that he is better than humans, because God has created him from the element of fire and humans from earth element. After that arrogance a war took place in heaven, the angels of God with archangel Michael as their leader and Lucifer with his army. God knew exactly the arrogance of Lucifer and knew he would have done this, that is why Lucifer said after being defeated, that God has put him in error, but it was his choice to go into that grave error. After that Lucifer requested permission to God to give him time before sending him to hell and that time will be until the Day of Judgement. Lucifer has sworn to mislead most of human, because they are mostly ungrateful of their Creator. God granted him that request and said that: whoever will follow your path, will join you in hell. That is where our story begin. So He sent to earth Lucifer and his army (the fallen angels).

Here on earth Adam was sent to the garden in the far east and God made that garden a great provision with many kinds of fruits and other food. After that Eve was created. God gathered both and said to them: to all kind of fruits you can eat, except one, the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God has forbidden them to take the fruit of that tree. This is where many confuses the verses. The serpent that deceived Eve to eat the fruit was not Lucifer/Satan, but was controlled by him, because Lucifer/Satan has different form. That was the main mission of Lucifer, because without eating the forbidden fruit, he couldn't do any harm to them and all their generations. After Eve ate the fruit first, she gave it to Adam. That is why God after that event, has put men to rule over women, because they are much more vulnerable to deception. (it's in the verses)
Genesis 3:16
To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
Genesis 3:17-19
To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”


And here we are, in this kind of mess (testing ground), until the day of Judgement. Until then, there is no escape from experiencing this duality of good and evil.

[ExomatrixTV]

There is a main rule about the holy Scripture, when someone twist the verses and mix them with ideas that contradict those verses, is to be dismissed right away, because he wants attention and fame and not seeking the truth.

There are many misconception about the story of Adam and Eve. According to the main Scriptures (Torah, Bible and Quran), the garden of Eden wasn't in heaven or paradise, but here on earth.
God created Adam from clay, in the form of a human statue, then He breathed the soul and then begins the life of the human being. About the soul of human or every being, God speaks in Scripture that it is being given little knowledge to humans about "the soul"(what, where, how).
After Adam was created, God gathered all main angels and demanded to bow to Adam, because He created a being, higher in degree. All angels bowed down, except Lucifer, he refused, because he said that he is better than humans, because God has created him from the element of fire and humans from earth element. After that arrogance a war took place in heaven, the angels of God with archangel Michael as their leader and Lucifer with his army. God knew exactly the arrogance of Lucifer and knew he would have done this, that is why Lucifer said after being defeated, that God has put him in error, but it was his choice to go into that grave error. After that Lucifer requested permission to God to give him time before sending him to hell and that time will be until the Day of Judgement. Lucifer has sworn to mislead most of human, because they are mostly ungrateful of their Creator. God granted him that request and said that: whoever will follow your path, will join you in hell. That is where our story begin. So He sent to earth Lucifer and his army (the fallen angels).

Here on earth Adam was sent to the garden in the far east and God made that garden a great provision with many kinds of fruits and other food. After that Eve was created. God gathered both and said to them: to all kind of fruits you can eat, except one, the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God has forbidden them to take the fruit of that tree. This is where many confuses the verses. The serpent that deceived Eve to eat the fruit was not Lucifer/Satan, but was controlled by him, because Lucifer/Satan has different form. That was the main mission of Lucifer, because without eating the forbidden fruit, he couldn't do any harm to them and all their generations. After Eve ate the fruit first, she gave it to Adam. That is why God after that event, has put men to rule over women, because they are much more vulnerable to deception. (it's in the verses)
Genesis 3:16
To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
Genesis 3:17-19
To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”


And here we are, in this kind of mess (testing ground), until the day of Judgement. Until then, there is no escape from experiencing this duality of good and evil.

based upon "scripture (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121219-Paradise&p=1560572&viewfull=1#post1560572)" written by humans (https://johnleefisherjr.medium.com/astro-theology-the-true-story-of-jesuss-the-sun-s-birth-death-and-resurrection-383041b701a7)!


Prime Creator is way too big for any man-made and/or alien made religions! ... any (alleged) "God" that needs worship is a big red flag for me!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Eagle Eye]

any (alleged) "God" that needs worship is a big red flag for me!


God doesn't need anything, not our worship, not our attention, nothing. We need God.
You should understand more about what worship is, beside submission to the Creator, it is also gratitude, being aware that He is the supreme Sovereign of everything and being aware and grateful of He who protects us from our visible and invisible enemies. Who protect us from evil entities, who their main purpose is to destroy what is good and to make people lives miserable. Those who are aware of the invisible war in this world, know well how much we need to be near God, in prayer, in worship, in good deeds and in submission.

[ExomatrixTV]

any (alleged) "God" that needs worship is a big red flag for me!


God doesn't need anything, not our worship, not our attention, nothing. We need God.
You should understand more about what worship is, beside submission to the Creator, it is also gratitude, being aware that He is the supreme Sovereign of everything and being aware and grateful of He who protects us from our visible and invisible enemies. Who protect us from evil entities, who their main purpose is to destroy what is good and to make people lives miserable. Those who are aware of the invisible war in this world, know well how much we need to be near God, in prayer, in worship, in good deeds and in submission.

So many fanatic (obsessive) "believers" (Christians, Muslims, Jews etc.) ask me: "Who do I worship"? ... Because they do not like to be questioned ... after meeting all kinds of "believers" last 40+ years I noticed many of them want me to worship their God ... and if I don't "I suppose to worship something else" instead ... They even insinuate/assume I "must" be (somehow) worshiping evil or demons or "the devil" because I have the audacity to refuse to do what they do.

The whole "worship" concept is often used by fanatics of all kinds, and they project their own behavior on others, falsely assuming you "must" do something similar ... And they know from their point of view that worshiping false gods is heresy. Even if it is not the case (me worshiping anything) they do not care, they just assume you do.


When people think they know "exactly" what God "wants" or not ... they have an attitude that is, in my view, beyond arrogance.

To me, worship is blind obedience without the courage to question mind control (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?138-Mind-Control) mechanisms at play ... Personally, it is the "imposing" stuff that gets me reacting.

There are many different types of well documented books describing tons of good research in cult behavior (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?138-Mind-Control), group think, mass formation psychosis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism), cultism ... How they talk ... how they "reason" ... how they infiltrate ... how they manipulate ... how they want to control/push their tunnel vision narrative on others ... how they need others to join "their mission".


... and nowadays "hive mind" cultism happens almost everywhere, including: atheism, scientism, wokism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115313-There-s-the-Woke-and-the-In-The-Know), so-called "education system (https://rumble.com/vnqic9-1-the-ultimate-history-lesson-a-weekend-with-john-taylor-gatto-intro-hour-1.html)", "new normalism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115158-Forced-or-mandatory-vaccination)" derived from mass covid hysteria (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110505-Covid19-Global-reports-news-and-updates) etc.

When you study mass psychology for 40+ years like I have done, you may come to the same conclusion ... not that is necessary because I am not responsible for your quality of thinking & judging.

Last four decades people quoting "holy scripture" (written & translated by humans) on me >>> and many times "worship" is mentioned in many forms ... so after a while I just say what I say best!

Any God that needs worship is a big red flag ... knowing that the REAL Prime Creator does not need any worship at all ... and this Prime Creator is beyond any man-made (or alien-made) religions, that is why I am immune to people quoting scripture (written & translated by humans) 24/7 obsessively ... Because I see the psychology agenda of it.


And I have far more and much greater respect for people doing real good deeds coming from within, not because they are told to do so (or need to be told to do so).

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/user/27474914.f5b631e7.160x160o.f6c78faaf102.png (https://www.facebook.com/groups/stop5g)

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://www.facebook.com/groups/stop5g) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 4th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

For the record: ... I personally met (in real life, face to face) many colleague/fellow "truthers" being: Christian, Muslim, Jew etc. exposing the Tyrannical Totalitarian New World Order Agenda (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?163-The-New-World-Order) and many of them are not fanatic nor obsessive at all ... and learned a lot from them which I am sincerely grateful about and really appreciated their input/insights. And it is because of them I have hope for humankind, as we need a new kind of unity against NWO Tyranny (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?163-The-New-World-Order)!

[Eagle Eye]

I think that someone who believes in the existence of one supreme Creator and do not worship, is on a higher level of arrogance. I mostly have compassion for those who are still confused about the existence of God and speak about that in a humble way.

[ExomatrixTV]

I think that someone who believes in the existence of one supreme Creator and do not worship, is on a higher level of arrogance. I mostly have compassion for those who are still confused about the existence of God and speak about that in a humble way.

So those who blindly trust scripture without questioning must be "free" from being arrogant or the appearance of being arrogant ... I have 100% sincere compassion for anyone who is trapped in any form of belief system, even if they themselves do not realize being in a cultism mode.

For the record: ... I personally met (in real life, face to face) many colleague/fellow "truthers" being: Christian, Muslim, Jew etc. exposing the tyrannical totalitarian New World Order Agenda and many of them are not fanatic nor obsessive at all ... and learned a lot from them which I am sincerely grateful about and really appreciated their input/insights. And it is because of them I have hope for humankind, as we need a new kind of unity against NWO tyranny!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Eagle Eye]

I don't think there has been on this forum since has been created, someone who quoted as much verses from all Scriptures from Abrahamic religion and keeping them apart from the teachings of todays modified religions. You have seen mostly religious people defending their religion and rarely someone who protects the Scriptures. It is true that my main quotes are from the Quran, because it is the last Revelation and also the way it has been protected is unique. Getting from that starting point, it's easier to undo all the changes made to the Bible that made Jesus son of God, or worst to be worshipped as god. For many of the matters in here, I have brought a verse related to the topic, for the members of this forum, to understand that what has been discovered in our time, has been revealed since ancient times, but in a different and more simple form (similar to novel for children), because if it was spoken in our terms, people of that time would not understand a word. The great wonder about the Scriptures is that, the more wisdom you get, the more you understand those words and the more deep meaning they have.

[Lunesoleil]

https://i.gifer.com/g1GR.gif

It's the sky that sends you
And on Earth what a stir
I thank all the angels
Of this strange relationship
stay with me
just be you
Forgive me my state
On the surface is this a case?
open your conscience
Do you perceive my presence?
I'm just passing by
Admire the immensity
Is love a crime?
Or else it's sublime

Written in 2002