The Highest Sacred Spiritual Knowledge

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If the fruit of the Tree of Life is the sacred oil, the Christos (Christ), that travels up and down the spine... and that sacred oil is wasted by "watering it down" through overindulging in sex and drinking alcohol in the physical world, as examples, then the door to Heaven will not open. However, if the body (and temple/Cave, skull) is properly taken care of, the Snake -- the Kundalini... the electrical current ("angels" or angles of light) traveling up and down the cerebrospinal system (Jacob's Ladder, 33 vertebrae of the spine) will rise up to the pineal gland (the "third eye") and open the door to Heaven... Paradise. Lo and behold: the out-of-body experience.


I found the following video very informative:


104 yr Old Book Reveals The Highest Sacred Spiritual Knowledge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z899SKJ8WEc
Speaker: Ryan McMahon

00:00 - INTRO
02:00 - Sacred Knowledge of The Essenes (Primitive Christians)
04:25 - Sacred Texts Reveal Your Body Is a Temple of God
05:55 - The Sacred Secret Secretion Oil (Christos)
06:55 - Ancient Mystery of The Solar Plexus (Relationship With Solar System)
09:00 - The Psycho-Physical Seed Born Out Of The Solar Plexus Every 28.5 Days
11:30 - How To Eat The Fruit Of The Tree Of Life (Within You)
13:25 - Constantine: The Man Who Changed Everything
15:07 - Jacobs Ladder (The 33 Vertebrae of The Spine)
16:55 - JACOB - Heel Catcher In Hebrew (The Man In The Sky)
18:10 - The True Zodiac Revealed

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The Temple of God -- The Human Body Itself

The Sacred Secret -- Secretion

Jacob's Ladder -- The Spine

The Tree of Life is not a physical place.

The Tree of Life is your cerebrospinal system.

The real place of Salvation is your own body, the human form.


"Jacob's Ladder was not a real event that some man named Jacob witnessed, Jacob's Ladder was an allegory that talked about the spine. The Ladder that angels went up and down are the THIRTY THREE vertebrae of the spine, and angels are angles of light. They are also called "messengers" in Hebrew. The point is that Jacob's Ladder is not a story of a man named Jacob.

When you read multiple spiritual traditions from all over the world from sacred texts, you can't help but realise that they're always talking in metaphor, or parable, or allegory. So, the bible should be no different. There's certain people that want to take it literally, but you're talking about something spiritual. The only way to get at something abstract is to put it in some sort of language, some sort of story, some sort of way to reference the context of it. So, the spiritual texts are almost always referring to some sort of metaphor.
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There's two meanings. There is The Ladder which is the human spine in which the prodigal son of the sacred oil -- or Christos -- travels up and down to offer healing and enlightenment to the human form. Then, there's also the Heel Catcher. The word -- the name, Jacob, and in very ancient zodiacs, you'll see a man drawn in the center of them where his back is arched and his heels circle around and touch the back of his head to create a circle. And, that's what the word "Jacob" means: "The Man in The Sky" which refers to the Zodiac which is a reflection of the time cycle of the human body."

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I felt that the following video goes hand-in-hand with the opening post. Very illuminating, connects many dots. It also provides a great explanation for the reason behind the reinterpretation and misrepresentation of the Norse god Loki, today, and explains Loki's ancient origins and connection to Santa Claus (the claustrum, a structure in the brain that produces the sacred oil, the Christos [Christ], that comes down the chimney (spinal cord) bringing presents).


The Truth About Veles - Indo-European Mythology, Christian Corruptions, and Aryan Serpent Imagery
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"The following video breaks down the true meaning (in my opinion) behind the Slavic pagan god Veles, his connection to the Norse Loki and the Vedic Varuna, how Christianity corrupts the true meaning behind esoteric pagan concepts, as well as the significance of serpent imagery through ancient aryan cultures."

[shaberon]

However, if the body (and temple/Cave, skull) is properly taken care of, the Snake -- the Kundalini... the electrical current ("angels" or angles of light) traveling up and down the cerebrospinal system (Jacob's Ladder, 33 vertebrae of the spine) will rise up to the pineal gland (the "third eye") and open the door to Heaven.



If I am in a position to say, I have performed this thousands of times, at will, am I able to critique information passed by others in the study thereof?

Being honest. I found it somewhat unintentionally for maybe two years before I learned anything about it.

I deny it is the highest or ultimate truth, but, let us say, the arena where it might be found.

I am always curious to see if anyone else really experienced it. I think maybe some have, as a tiny sample. Out of any personal friends I have ever had that attempted meditation, etc., I certainly have never known anyone who found the same results. What happened was that it was so powerful that I had to intentionally shut it off, and it took almost two years to fade.

Although it is something I would like to work with, in recent times, even in only approaching it, I did not get enough darkness, and the tiny green light from a keyboard number lock turned in to something like a never-ending spear.

Unfortunately it does not mix with most normal living and working situations. There is no way I could go back to it without a dedicated space free from interferences. If someone could get that much power, and, find a way to blend with a modern, mundane life, that would be interesting.

In my view, the whole point of modernization with things like washing machines is so that the time and energy conserved could be applied to spiritual purposes. So far, I have not exactly seen an area that supports this.

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However, if the body (and temple/Cave, skull) is properly taken care of, the Snake -- the Kundalini... the electrical current ("angels" or angles of light) traveling up and down the cerebrospinal system (Jacob's Ladder, 33 vertebrae of the spine) will rise up to the pineal gland (the "third eye") and open the door to Heaven.



If I am in a position to say, I have performed this thousands of times, at will, am I able to critique information passed by others in the study thereof?

Being honest. I found it somewhat unintentionally for maybe two years before I learned anything about it.

I deny it is the highest or ultimate truth, but, let us say, the arena where it might be found.

I am always curious to see if anyone else really experienced it. I think maybe some have, as a tiny sample. Out of any personal friends I have ever had that attempted meditation, etc., I certainly have never known anyone who found the same results. What happened was that it was so powerful that I had to intentionally shut it off, and it took almost two years to fade.

Although it is something I would like to work with, in recent times, even in only approaching it, I did not get enough darkness, and the tiny green light from a keyboard number lock turned in to something like a never-ending spear.

Unfortunately it does not mix with most normal living and working situations. There is no way I could go back to it without a dedicated space free from interferences. If someone could get that much power, and, find a way to blend with a modern, mundane life, that would be interesting.

In my view, the whole point of modernization with things like washing machines is so that the time and energy conserved could be applied to spiritual purposes. So far, I have not exactly seen an area that supports this.



Perhaps, it is all very simple and "stepping into heaven" really is the OBE. That you've performed it thousands of times... I would say that you are fortunate that your mental and physical circumstance provided the experience with hardly any effort. Many are not so fortunate. I consider myself fortunate that my first OBEs were spontaneous... Otherwise, I don't think I would have ever believed it could be real. So many of us have been conditioned and programmed throughout our lives to think we're less than we truly are, and we are unable to grasp the true nature of ourselves. Some even self-flagellate and call themselves sinners. I will never underplay the extraordinary out-of-body experience.

Yes, the OBE is POWERFUL. When we realize just how multi-dimensional we really are.... It's incredible. And, it can become very distracting from everyday physical existence. For you, it sounded like the experience just came so naturally to you, you had trouble shutting it off in order to function "normally". Maybe you are one of those people who can't truly be themselves unless you live up on a mountain top, away from other people and societal control systems that would only hold you down.

For me, having spontaneous OBEs is rather rare. But, when I worked at it, I started to figure out how to initiate and control them. It was a whirlwind of OBEs during a 2-3 month period a few years back. But, it only lasted as long as I WORKED HARD at it. These days, I'm not so driven to self-initiate OBEs. For me, it's too tiring, time-consuming, and disruptive. I had a spontaneous one recently and that was thrilling. The experience never ceases to amaze me. It's always good to be reassured that my OBE "machinery" still works.

Nowadays, I focus on seeing and recognizing Good (God) in myself and in all the physical and living physical around me, doing my best to enjoy life to the fullest. For me, that means appreciating every single moment and every "little" thing in this "space time" like stopping to smell the roses and playing with the pooch that lives across the way. That seems easiest. I admit, my mind likes to wander. Even though I am often in "The Zone", it's still challenging for me to focus on one thing. It seems like "everything wants" my attention. Anyway, I don't think the OBE multiverse is going anywhere. In "time space", there's time enough for everything.

[shaberon]

Yes, the OBE is POWERFUL. When we realize just how multi-dimensional we really are.... It's incredible. And, it can become very distracting from everyday physical existence. For you, it sounded like the experience just came so naturally to you, you had trouble shutting it off in order to function "normally". Maybe you are one of those people who can't truly be themselves unless you live up on a mountain top, away from other people and societal control systems that would only hold you down.



Pretty close to that.

I am not sure about some of the vocabulary that gets in to these subjects. To some, "out-of-body" indicates something like astral projection, which is not what I mean at all. The way I mean it is:


Ecstasy (from Ancient Greek ἔκστασις (ékstasis) 'outside of oneself') is a subjective experience of total involvement of the subject with an object of their awareness. In classical Greek literature, it refers to removal of the mind or body "from its normal place of function."



The closest I know of as a Western practice is Hesychasm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesychasm) which is not found in the Catholic and Protestant countries.

I actually do not believe in "dimensions", which sounds like an adaptation of mathematical String Theory, whereas what I am talking about is made of mind and emotions brought to a point like in Hesychasm. If anything, it has no dimensions.

A "dimension" is a "measurement", and so if someone says there are three dimensions, with a line of width, a line of height, etc., I am going to say that I do not perceive any such three lines. In fact, if there is a dimension, it is probably Time. "Measurements" are made by devices, whereas the kind of thing I am talking about has only one measuring device, the living organism, which does not experience sets of three lines, but it does experience time.

There is one dimension, time, which can be eliminated by Hesychasm and the like, and if it can be removed, then there really aren't any dimensions.

The result is basically as you say, to stop with the roses and little dogs, although this is in the same breath with, for example, killing anything that threatens those roses and dogs.

The inner experience I mean is quite close to Eight Stages of Geometry (https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Geometry) and Ego Death. Level Four:

https://psychonautwiki.org/w/images/c/ce/Switch_by_Sam_Perkins.png





And so when this is the same whether your eyes are open or closed, you are in the subject-object unity. And if you keep going and you penetrate all of these layers, you may perceive what we call the Absolute Object. This is Meditation. I honestly do not know how to express it in English. Close as I can come right there. I would not say this, itself, was the highest or ultimate knowledge, more like the source of it, and the Ultimate could then be considered the Perfection of Meditation.

100% natural process. Not really a secret. Everyone does it when they fall asleep--usually too fast to notice. It is like taking this five seconds of blurry sleepiness and extending it to hours of controlling it in clear consciousness.

It can, of course, induce astral projection and other psychic experiences; I personally am terrible at that. All I know is the ecstasy itself and that it causes a type of clairvoyance through the physical eyes.

[norman]

I'm not sure how to deal with the word "highest" in the title of this thread but if it's a thread about sorting the junk from the real stuff, and I see some references to the fakery ( at best ) of the religions, I'll drop this in here.

It's only 1 minute 11 seconds.

https://rumble.com/v2ubsxi-thomas-jefferson-on-jesus-v-the-gospel.html

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I'm not sure how to deal with the word "highest" in the title of this thread but if it's a thread about sorting the junk from the real stuff, and I see some references to the fakery ( at best ) of the religions, I'll drop this in here.

It's only 1 minute 11 seconds.

https://rumble.com/v2ubsxi-thomas-jefferson-on-jesus-v-the-gospel.html


That's interesting, Norman. So... Thomas Jefferson interpreted the bible (probably literally?) and tried to "fix" the bible if I'm getting this right.

This thread... the word "highest" came with the title of the video I attached so I just used it for the title. Is it the "highest" sacred spiritual knowledge? That's for each of us to decide for ourselves. By their very nature, words tend to be problematic and subjective.

I guess what I'm trying to say about the bible -- with regard to the stories therein (and the direction of this thread) -- is that it's a collection of man-written (and, unfortunately, re-written/edited/censored) stories meant obfuscate what should be easily comprehended information about complex, abstract ideas. Those ideas describe the inter-workings of the human body, mind, and soul. The big take-away is that none or very little of the bible is meant to be taken literally (for example, Christ is not a person but a "sacred oil", and Sodom and Gomorrah aren't cities but describe a physical/energetic place in our bodies.). Despite being incomplete, we can see how the bible along with other multiple ancient spiritual teachings worldwide are interconnected. They tell the same stories in different ways and help to fill in the missing knowledge gaps. We can finally connect the dots to build ourselves a comprehensive spiritual roadmap to go by... and what that may mean to each of us, personally.

[norman]

I don't think you and I will ever meet in that middle Pris, the one about Christ being an oil and a metaphor.

We probably share a similar valuation of the post Roman Bible though, but I think the bible was very much intended to be taken literally by the sect that put it together as part of a comprehensive take-down and coup d'etat over the entire Christ phenomenon. I can't decide if they saw it as an emergency reaction to a dire threat to them or if it was just business as usual.

Christ never created a religion, or proposed one, or asked anyone else to do so.

Christ never did/does ritual.

I try to imagine how the world would, by now, remember (and be in Christ, maybe), if the Roman satanic sect [ they do, after all, have a bloody great big obelisk standing in their front yard to this day] had not done what they did.

I agree with Jefferson about Paul. He was always an adversary to Christ but feigned a conversion. What conversion?, there was nothing to convert to. There in lies the root of where it all went tits up, purposefully, until it emerged out of a big process of a complete inversion to a satanic ritual blood sacrifice that has deceived, forcibly and innocently fooled, simple folk.

From Paul onwards, Christ was intellectualized into not only a religion, but a Paul centric religion. I've known more than one enthusiastic 'bible basher' who have admitted that their favorite text in the bible is actually all that over represented intellectual head bangery attributed to Paul. There are chapters and chapters and chapters of his mental masturbations', (while, conveniently, there is not one reference to reincarnation).

The bible is a loaded weapon, to crush true faith and roll out a subservience new paradigm. It's no coincidence that the Roman Empire transformed from a brute army driven thing into a stealthy mind control operation during that time that the Christianity we know today was packaged and distributed. Jeeze, the confession booths were the NSA before there was an NSA.

A growing number of people are coming around to the idea that the Roman Catholic Church is off the rails and run by Satanists but have yet to grasp that it never wasn't !. The situation is hardly better anywhere further down the division trees from there. The Protestants and their offspring maintain the same inverted and intellectualized versions of Christ. It's rife all through Christendom, and tragic, and bloody serious in it's significance and consequence.

Not only is the inverted cross 'satanic', so is the cross so called Christians cherish and often wear on chains as bling, though not as gruesome as those grotesque 10 foot plus contraptions that show up almost everywhere you can find a custom built musical pipe organ.

The 'great awakening'?, whaw . . we ain't got started yet.

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If the fruit of the Tree of Life is the sacred oil, the Christos (Christ), that travels up and down the spine... and that sacred oil is wasted by "watering it down" through overindulging in sex and drinking alcohol in the physical world, as examples, then the door to Heaven will not open. However, if the body (and temple/Cave, skull) is properly taken care of, the Snake -- the Kundalini... the electrical current ("angels" or angles of light) traveling up and down the cerebrospinal system (Jacob's Ladder, 33 vertebrae of the spine) will rise up to the pineal gland (the "third eye") and open the door to Heaven... Paradise. Lo and behold: the out-of-body experience.


I found the following video very informative:


104 yr Old Book Reveals The Highest Sacred Spiritual Knowledge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z899SKJ8WEc
Speaker: Ryan McMahon

00:00 - INTRO
02:00 - Sacred Knowledge of The Essenes (Primitive Christians)
04:25 - Sacred Texts Reveal Your Body Is a Temple of God
05:55 - The Sacred Secret Secretion Oil (Christos)
06:55 - Ancient Mystery of The Solar Plexus (Relationship With Solar System)
09:00 - The Psycho-Physical Seed Born Out Of The Solar Plexus Every 28.5 Days
11:30 - How To Eat The Fruit Of The Tree Of Life (Within You)
13:25 - Constantine: The Man Who Changed Everything
15:07 - Jacobs Ladder (The 33 Vertebrae of The Spine)
16:55 - JACOB - Heel Catcher In Hebrew (The Man In The Sky)
18:10 - The True Zodiac Revealed

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The Temple of God -- The Human Body Itself

The Sacred Secret -- Secretion

Jacob's Ladder -- The Spine

The Tree of Life is not a physical place.

The Tree of Life is your cerebrospinal system.

The real place of Salvation is your own body, the human form.


"Jacob's Ladder was not a real event that some man named Jacob witnessed, Jacob's Ladder was an allegory that talked about the spine. The Ladder that angels went up and down are the THIRTY THREE vertebrae of the spine, and angels are angles of light. They are also called "messengers" in Hebrew. The point is that Jacob's Ladder is not a story of a man named Jacob.

When you read multiple spiritual traditions from all over the world from sacred texts, you can't help but realise that they're always talking in metaphor, or parable, or allegory. So, the bible should be no different. There's certain people that want to take it literally, but you're talking about something spiritual. The only way to get at something abstract is to put it in some sort of language, some sort of story, some sort of way to reference the context of it. So, the spiritual texts are almost always referring to some sort of metaphor.
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There's two meanings. There is The Ladder which is the human spine in which the prodigal son of the sacred oil -- or Christos -- travels up and down to offer healing and enlightenment to the human form. Then, there's also the Heel Catcher. The word -- the name, Jacob, and in very ancient zodiacs, you'll see a man drawn in the center of them where his back is arched and his heels circle around and touch the back of his head to create a circle. And, that's what the word "Jacob" means: "The Man in The Sky" which refers to the Zodiac which is a reflection of the time cycle of the human body."

Right away I have a question - and I am being honest.

What if a person has spinal damage? Will that have an effect on my ability to open my third eye?

I have damage pushing inward on my spinal column between L5 and L3, and also almost no disc left at C8.

[Pris]

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I don't think you and I will ever meet in that middle Pris, the one about Christ being an oil and a metaphor.

We probably share a similar valuation of the post Roman Bible though, but I think the bible was very much intended to be taken literally by the sect that put it together as part of a comprehensive take-down and coup d'etat over the entire Christ phenomenon. I can't decide if they saw it as an emergency reaction to a dire threat to them or if it was just business as usual.

Christ never created a religion, or proposed one, or asked anyone else to do so.

Christ never did/does ritual.

I try to imagine how the world would, by now, remember (and be in Christ, maybe), if the Roman satanic sect [ they do, after all, have a bloody great big obelisk standing in their front yard to this day] had not done what they did.

I agree with Jefferson about Paul. He was always an adversary to Christ but feigned a conversion. What conversion?, there was nothing to convert to. There in lies the root of where it all went tits up, purposefully, until it emerged out of a big process of a complete inversion to a satanic ritual blood sacrifice that has deceived, forcibly and innocently fooled, simple folk.

From Paul onwards, Christ was intellectualized into not only a religion, but a Paul centric religion. I've known more than one enthusiastic 'bible basher' who have admitted that their favorite text in the bible is actually all that over represented intellectual head bangery attributed to Paul. There are chapters and chapters and chapters of his mental masturbations', (while, conveniently, there is not one reference to reincarnation).

The bible is a loaded weapon, to crush true faith and roll out a subservience new paradigm. It's no coincidence that the Roman Empire transformed from a brute army driven thing into a stealthy mind control operation during that time that the Christianity we know today was packaged and distributed. Jeeze, the confession booths were the NSA before there was an NSA.

A growing number of people are coming around to the idea that the Roman Catholic Church is off the rails and run by Satanists but have yet to grasp that it never wasn't !. The situation is hardly better anywhere further down the division trees from there. The Protestants and their offspring maintain the same inverted and intellectualized versions of Christ. It's rife all through Christendom, and tragic, and bloody serious in it's significance and consequence.

Not only is the inverted cross 'satanic', so is the cross so called Christians cherish and often wear on chains as bling, though not as gruesome as those grotesque 10 foot plus contraptions that show up almost everywhere you can find a custom built musical pipe organ.

The 'great awakening'?, whaw . . we ain't got started yet.


Yes, it seems we can't meet in the middle... I take it you did watch the videos? The story of Christ goes way back into antiquity, possibly 40,000 years if not more... because Christ went by many different names. That's the point I'm hoping is being conveyed in all of this. Anyway, you must find it only an extraordinary coincidence then, that for example... they call the sacred oil produced in the claustrum, the Christos. And, that Santa Claus brings gifts (Christ) "down the chimney". Because, that's where the electrically conductive oil goes -- down through our spine.

There's the cup of Christ, there's the Ark of the Covenant... All these things describe the "strange" structures in our brain where all the "spiritual" stuff happens.

Yes, indeed. I agree that Christ never created a religion. Because, when Christ is the sacred oil produced inside your head running up and down your spine that opens the door to Heaven/paradise, it's got nothing to do with religion. This is about spirituality. This is how we funnel our energy through our bodies to create an "interdimensional" doorway.

This has never been about man-made religions meant to bind and enslave you. This is about self-empowerment. This is about you realizing you hold all the answers inside yourself. And, by discovering that knowledge, you remember who you are and that you are an entirely free spirit beholden to no one.

People like to allegorize all things. Anything to do with "Satan"... that's entirely about us fighting our own darkest "demons".

Like it or not, humans put sex and ritual into everything since the beginning of time. If you don't already know and you're curious about the real meaning behind objects like obelisks and church steeples (eg. phallic objects), you might like to check out this book, "Symbols, Sex, and the Stars":


https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1179355761i/907753._UY630_SR1200,630_.jpg

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If the fruit of the Tree of Life is the sacred oil, the Christos (Christ), that travels up and down the spine... and that sacred oil is wasted by "watering it down" through overindulging in sex and drinking alcohol in the physical world, as examples, then the door to Heaven will not open. However, if the body (and temple/Cave, skull) is properly taken care of, the Snake -- the Kundalini... the electrical current ("angels" or angles of light) traveling up and down the cerebrospinal system (Jacob's Ladder, 33 vertebrae of the spine) will rise up to the pineal gland (the "third eye") and open the door to Heaven... Paradise. Lo and behold: the out-of-body experience.


Right away I have a question - and I am being honest.

What if a person has spinal damage? Will that have an effect on my ability to open my third eye?

I have damage pushing inward on my spinal column between L5 and L3, and also almost no disc left at C8.


That's a very important question. Do you dream? Dreaming is a form of OBE. You can even learn how to lucid dream... which is very close to having the full experience...

There are methods you can use that help you put your body to sleep while your mind stays alert. I've found the methods work for me (like interrupted sleep patterns) and are most helpful for initiating OBEs.

OBE preparation is important. I found keeping a dream journal is helpful for pre-conditioning the "unconscious" mind to be more awake, aware, and ready for the commands you give it.

That said... any time our beloved "chariot" is damaged... I have to guess that MIGHT hinder the OBE process. What you describe... there is nothing stopping you from trying. It's all good.

Meantime, I think our spirit bides its time, regardless.

I'm thinking we can also reach that "highest" state of spiritual awareness in a way that doesn't require "opening the third eye". It's about deciding to be fully present in the moment... enjoying life... For me that feels like bliss even when I just stop to smell a rose... It's like eternity in that moment. It's always "new". I lose myself in the color, form, scent, touch... the sounds all around me... It's pure love. It's infinite. It's about appreciation for all things and being grateful. State of mind is everything.

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If the fruit of the Tree of Life is the sacred oil, the Christos (Christ), that travels up and down the spine... and that sacred oil is wasted by "watering it down" through overindulging in sex and drinking alcohol in the physical world, as examples, then the door to Heaven will not open. However, if the body (and temple/Cave, skull) is properly taken care of, the Snake -- the Kundalini... the electrical current ("angels" or angles of light) traveling up and down the cerebrospinal system (Jacob's Ladder, 33 vertebrae of the spine) will rise up to the pineal gland (the "third eye") and open the door to Heaven... Paradise. Lo and behold: the out-of-body experience.


Right away I have a question - and I am being honest.

What if a person has spinal damage? Will that have an effect on my ability to open my third eye?

I have damage pushing inward on my spinal column between L5 and L3, and also almost no disc left at C8.


That's a very important question. Do you dream? Dreaming is a form of OBE. You can even learn how to lucid dream... which is very close to having the full experience...

There are methods you can use that help you put your body to sleep while your mind stays alert. I've found the methods work for me (like interrupted sleep patterns) and are most helpful for initiating OBEs.

OBE preparation is important. I found keeping a dream journal is helpful for pre-conditioning the "unconscious" mind to be more awake, aware, and ready for the commands you give it.

That said... any time our beloved "chariot" is damaged... I have to guess that MIGHT hinder the OBE process. What you describe... there is nothing stopping you from trying. It's all good.

Meantime, I think our spirit bides its time, regardless.

I'm thinking we can also reach that "highest" state of spiritual awareness in a way that doesn't require "opening the third eye". It's about deciding to be fully present in the moment... enjoying life... For me that feels like bliss even when I just stop to smell a rose... It's like eternity in that moment. It's always "new". I lose myself in the color, form, scent, touch... the sounds all around me... It's pure love. It's infinite. It's about appreciation for all things and being grateful. State of mind is everything.

Yes, I dream a lot and I do have interrupted sleep patterns.

Many experiences and sometimes there seems to be a flowing or rhythm to the strength of them.

No major OBE though...not yet. :)

[Pris]

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Yes, the OBE is POWERFUL. When we realize just how multi-dimensional we really are.... It's incredible. And, it can become very distracting from everyday physical existence. For you, it sounded like the experience just came so naturally to you, you had trouble shutting it off in order to function "normally". Maybe you are one of those people who can't truly be themselves unless you live up on a mountain top, away from other people and societal control systems that would only hold you down.



Pretty close to that.

I am not sure about some of the vocabulary that gets in to these subjects. To some, "out-of-body" indicates something like astral projection, which is not what I mean at all. The way I mean it is:


Ecstasy (from Ancient Greek ἔκστασις (ékstasis) 'outside of oneself') is a subjective experience of total involvement of the subject with an object of their awareness. In classical Greek literature, it refers to removal of the mind or body "from its normal place of function."



The closest I know of as a Western practice is Hesychasm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesychasm) which is not found in the Catholic and Protestant countries.

I actually do not believe in "dimensions", which sounds like an adaptation of mathematical String Theory, whereas what I am talking about is made of mind and emotions brought to a point like in Hesychasm. If anything, it has no dimensions.

A "dimension" is a "measurement", and so if someone says there are three dimensions, with a line of width, a line of height, etc., I am going to say that I do not perceive any such three lines. In fact, if there is a dimension, it is probably Time. "Measurements" are made by devices, whereas the kind of thing I am talking about has only one measuring device, the living organism, which does not experience sets of three lines, but it does experience time.

There is one dimension, time, which can be eliminated by Hesychasm and the like, and if it can be removed, then there really aren't any dimensions.

The result is basically as you say, to stop with the roses and little dogs, although this is in the same breath with, for example, killing anything that threatens those roses and dogs.

The inner experience I mean is quite close to Eight Stages of Geometry (https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Geometry) and Ego Death. Level Four:

https://psychonautwiki.org/w/images/c/ce/Switch_by_Sam_Perkins.png





And so when this is the same whether your eyes are open or closed, you are in the subject-object unity. And if you keep going and you penetrate all of these layers, you may perceive what we call the Absolute Object. This is Meditation. I honestly do not know how to express it in English. Close as I can come right there. I would not say this, itself, was the highest or ultimate knowledge, more like the source of it, and the Ultimate could then be considered the Perfection of Meditation.

100% natural process. Not really a secret. Everyone does it when they fall asleep--usually too fast to notice. It is like taking this five seconds of blurry sleepiness and extending it to hours of controlling it in clear consciousness.

It can, of course, induce astral projection and other psychic experiences; I personally am terrible at that. All I know is the ecstasy itself and that it causes a type of clairvoyance through the physical eyes.


VERY interesting...

I think I may be able to relate to some of what you are saying. For myself, I get the feeling of being "singularly expansive". And, the "geometry" you describe... I've had that more so when I close my eyes in the dark (very intricate, colorful, swirling kaleidoscope of geometric patterns, forms... I've even had little colorful strings of dancing Kokopelli/Aztec-like figures lol...). But, you describe it happening all the time even while awake?.. Not so much for me (unless I stare and "phase out" for awhile, things kind of get funny), instead there is just SO MUCH information in the visual spectrum that things almost seem to go in and out of phase. And, when I shift my focus to sounds, for example, it's the same kind of overwhelming awareness of "hearing all at once". I don't "meditate" myself. For me, it's all a 100% natural process as well.


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Also, from earlier today:

I'm thinking we can also reach that "highest" state of spiritual awareness in a way that doesn't require "opening the third eye". It's about deciding to be fully present in the moment... enjoying life... For me that feels like bliss even when I just stop to smell a rose... It's like eternity in that moment. It's always "new". I lose myself in the color, form, scent, touch... the sounds all around me... It's pure love. It's infinite. It's about appreciation for all things and being grateful. State of mind is everything.

[shaberon]

And, the "geometry" you describe... I've had that more so when I close my eyes in the dark (very intricate, colorful, swirling kaleidoscope of geometric patterns, forms... I've even had little colorful strings of dancing Kokopelli/Aztec-like figures lol...). But, you describe it happening all the time even while awake?.. Not so much for me (unless I stare and "phase out" for awhile, things kind of get funny), instead there is just SO MUCH information in the visual spectrum that things almost seem to go in and out of phase. And, when I shift my focus to sounds, for example, it's the same kind of overwhelming awareness of "hearing all at once". I don't "meditate" myself. For me, it's all a 100% natural process as well.



This again is pretty close to how we train. When you go this route, you are on, so to speak, level two.

During normal waking consciousness, something like 90% of the brain's bio-electricity is wired into Sight. So this is called the Demon of Form. Not inherently evil, but, the magnetization of ordinary material--which one can come to realize is certainly not the only thing you can see. It is a difficult thing for the ordinary person to break, or, at least, so I read. But we understand there are something like veils of light which simply peel away.

And so when you do closed-eye and you get certain appearances, then, let us call it a Weak version. And then we do iterations which are expressed slightly differently as Day and Night Yoga. This is basically forcing you to hallucinate. Then it absolutely destroys what is usually called "healthy psychology"--which tends to be disturbing for most people. So, again, I have only read about this, because I thought it was interesting so I naturally followed it.

When you make that work then no it no longer makes any difference about your eyes, and then let us say you have a Strong vision.

At that point, it becomes nearly impossible to proceed in English, since everything from that language is designed to prevent this from ever happening.

But really that is just where it gets even more interesting.

We are doing this thing you are not supposed to which is having a Strong hallucination while your brain essentially expires. But if someone knocks on the door then you are startled, you may just snap out of it, or it could shatter your nerves, whatever, the point is that even though the vision is Strong, you are easily disturbed.

So then you are purging response to disturbances, and this is called the practice of Sampatti, which means that I knock and you don't hear it; I come pinch you and nothing happens. At that point you are slipping out of the body. These are The Goddesses in the sense of generic, universal units which are basically the same for everyone, being one's true senses since Beginningless Time.

If you go off and do it in your own weird way, I can't help you.

I serve only one purpose which could be translated as Salvation, but, just think of what we are saying about the senses and never look this up according to dictionaries.

Avalokiteshvara


Everything is redolent with Manicheism, saying something like "lord looking down from high" or something useless like that. It is more reflexive and like an adjective, more along the lines of "lordliness which is seen", so, i. e., describing vision, hallucination, etc., as we have been saying. This comes from a spoken language, which of course is not determined by the Roman alphabet, and so the same name also means it equivalently ends with what could be spelled Svara, meaning Sound.

Then you would have Sound which is seen.

Correspondingly--layers here again. We can look at slightly different versions of around eight or ten kinds of sounds, like bells, and bees, and so forth, until we reach that which is called Thunder at the End of the Mind.

Well, if it seems weird that I might arbitrarily say this in the face of scholarship and people who are more important to me, then, all you have to do is read a common story of Avalokiteshvara and it says right there he is a Fully Enlightened Being who achieved attainment in a previous universe by meditating on Primordial Sound.

What is meant by Salvation is that from here, I do not particularly care about a Creator or the details of what such universes may be, because those are simply tools for a purpose. The simple way of putting it is something like this. Avalokiteshvara came to our world and saw how many beings were perishing and falling into Hell and suffering tremendous agony. Out of Compassion--Pathos--he went into Hell and preached Salvation to these fallen beings so that they became relieved of their sins and were able to transmigrate to new destinies. He found he could do this quite easily but then looking the other direction, he saw that he would never keep up with the beings flowing into the door.

How do we keep beings from going to Hell in the first place.



So while it is true that the physiological states are known in considerable detail in many schools of yoga, this again is like a fact of nature in the hands of the vehicle of Salvation.

Moreover, if you think of it in terms of an axis, the opposite pole from the Suffering of Hell is Orgasmic Bliss. This is what I am supposed to say on behalf of Buddhist Yoga, which, I think, is original to us, although it is now in some other yogas such as Ananda Bhairavi which came up around the ca. 16th century.


Ananda Bhairavi:

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Moreover, Buddhist Yoga tells me that if something like that can withstand enough debating so that we can establish that it actually is beneficial, then, you can grab it, or you can look into that system if you want to and it is not a conflict with Buddhism. It isn't exactly the same, but, we don't really prohibit any of the religions, if you can show you are using it peacefully and beneficially. That is fine. But you know you can't really "become" a Hindu that easily, whereas anyone can become a Buddhist quite easily. We would mainly be asking that you don't hash the practices, i. e. if you want to go to church on Sunday then that is its own, distinct thing, and you don't start sticking the stuff from church into what you may learn of Buddhism. To a degree, it is strongly comparable to most Hindu yogas, or perhaps it is even the same with the stroke of a master artist.

Moreover, the purpose of Avalokiteshvara is called "karuna" and, what we might call our "permanent" meditation are the Four Values of a Wanderer that are said to be Infinite:

Metta Mudita Karuna Upekka

Love Joy Compassion Resolve


It is easy to understand how this works because the hardest and most powerful one is Upekka.

Simply enough, one can see how that attaches to the purpose of Avalokiteshvara as well as the Sampattis of the various senses and minds during inner yoga. Even though I may have inhibited those practices which induce such a profound inner state, I have been regenerating the Four Infinite Qualities continuously for decades.


Moreover, although it is usually not quite hammered out in the way I am about to tell you, characters such as Avalokiteshvara are not just teachings and litanies, they are songs. And, these are commonly known to people who speak totally unrelated languages from Indonesian to Buryat. Sanskrit is directly related to Greek and English, and not at all to most Asiatic languages, which means in theory at least, it is a little more difficult for them to learn. But they do it. And it is not that hard to pick up. I found a fun thing which is a Chinese girl doing a sped-up dance version of one of the traditional Avalokiteshvara tunes. And her pronunciation is pretty good I think.

Otherwise this has generally been the same since about our year 300 or 500 maybe. And it is not her fault that there are a couple of scribal or interpretive errors that have crept in and we will adjust those below. Here she is going to sing the thing two rounds, and the rest of it is just her talking Chinese to someone. It is called Maha (Great) Karunika (doer or maker of karuna):

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The lyrical mistakes are:


Vyuhara Jaya

(nonsense) victory


ought to be:

Vyuha Rajaya


King of the Magical Display


Also "shoraya" is a nonsense and should just be a connected -svaraya, Namo Arya Avalokiteshvaraya.


The way the whole thing actually works starts from here, you see she sings about the Magical Display of Vairocana, which is saying the illusions of the Demon of Form. And then it would go round and change the name so you would sing it about Sound and the other senses.

Sorry for caps but this is the quickest version I could find:

NAMO RATNA TRAYĀYA / NAMA ĀRYA JÑĀNA SĀGARA VAIROCANA VYŪHA RĀJĀYA / TATHĀGATĀYA / ARHATE / SAMYAKSAṂ BUDDHĀYA / NAMAḤ SARVA TATHĀGATEVYAḤ / ARHATEVYAḤ SAMYAKSAM BUDDHEVYAḤ / NAMA ĀRYA AVALOKITEŚVARĀYA / BODHISATVĀYA / MAHĀSATVĀYA / MAHĀKĀRUṆIKĀYA / TADYATHĀ / OṂ DHARA DHARA / DHIRI DHIRI / DHURU DHURU / IṬṬI VAṬṬI / JVALE JVALE / PRAJVALE PRAJVALE / KUSUME / KUSUMA / DHARE / ILI MILI / CHITE JVALAMAPANAYA / SVAHA


Someone apparently tightened up the words since she sang her copy, although a few towards the end are actually different, in her version it is Cale Cale Puracale Puracale, which has a meaning towards prime motion or directive force.

The number of these things is staggering, hundreds passed down through generations, thousands if including others now gone, but obviously this is among the most popular. But then I can for example take any of them, and make up a musical version. I can just do them. Everything we have is non-different from or includes music.

The earthly residence of Avalokiteshvara is Mount Potalaka (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Potalaka) in Tamil Nadu Pothigai Hills (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pothigai):


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/Pothigai_Hills_Range.jpg


Agastyamalai is home to the Kanikkaran people, one of the oldest surviving hunter-gatherer tribes in the world.

Tamil Buddhist tradition developed in Chola literature, such as in Buddamitra's Virasoliyam , states Agastya learnt Tamil from the Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara; the earlier Chinese traveler Xuanzang recorded the existence of a temple dedicated to Avalokitesvara in the South Indian hill Potala.


What Buddhism calls "deities" includes different "classes"--again, some are universals because they mean the aspects of one's being or aura, and then others such as Avalokiteshvara which are "chosen". I don't know if you call that paganistic, or something, while this itself is like different kinds of monotheism.

So, yes, these states of Sight and Sound are exactly part of how our yoga works, and it is not the same as anything else, even though such states are used in other systems.

[norman]

Until I reached a point of needing a (growing) stage resolution where I was at, I didn't really notice what a whacking great conflict there is between self empowerment and gratitude.

I'm interested to hear what, particularly, Pris and Shebaron might have to say on it.

In my case, I intuited that I needed to explore gratitude out beyond where I first discovered it, in the here and now. Without deliberation, I found myself having a series of introductions to Christ ( the one I'm talking about ) not in any sensational apparition or anything, but as info bombs dropping on or near my familiar cerebral stomping ground. At the beginning I made no connection to it being a product of gratitude itself, which I have since learned is more than likely ( from the testimony of Jessie Czebotar, a childhood trained 'mother of darkness' in the luciferian brotherhood. It opens portals/spiritual gates, apparently, but as they refuse gratitude they substitute it with ecstasy)

As a realisation of who and what Christ is ( the one I'm talking about, again) sank in a little, it introduced for me a resolution of the conflict between self empowerment and gratitude. It began to show me that the 'power' is not of, from or about the self, in the self identity sense, but that the self conducts the power in and through itself, from another point or place or entity, I comfortable assume that is what some people call source and what I usually just call god.

Tinkering with that flow of empowerment by applying self identity self to it transforms it into the beginnings of 'black magic'. Luciferians have a whole stable of methods and practices to do exactly that.

Christ introduces the practicable self 'discipline' of not doing that or chaotically wavering into doing that, and maintaining a resolved living of both sovereign self empowerment and true gratitude.

I can conceivably reverse engineer parts of the gospel writings and arrive at imagining Christ actually said that, probably to people who had no or very little idea what he was talking about.

Of course, if you solidly believe there was no living Christ, I might as well assume you have no idea what I'm talking about either. That would be a disappointment and I'd leave it there, for this thread, if so.

But you/I never know . . . .

[shaberon]

As a realisation of who and what Christ is ( the one I'm talking about, again) sank in a little, it introduced for me a resolution of the conflict between self empowerment and gratitude. It began to show me that the 'power' is not of, from or about the self, in the self identity sense, but that the self conducts the power in and through itself, from another point or place or entity, I comfortable assume that is what some people call source and what I usually just call god.



Okay, trying to follow this:

you do not agree "christos = anointed"

you think that Pauline Christianity is a travesty

you think that the RCC is a form of the beast

and would that mean you are using Christ as a personal name rather than Jesus?


Qv. Matthew 16 & 24 "Tell no man that I am Christ..."

And, unfortunately, semantically, this already had divisions in its own time. The Jewish Messiah was anticipated as a physical savior restoring the city/country, and such a conversion tool would prove inadequate and useless for "pagans", who didn't anticipate any Messiah.


Who was Jesus?

Baptized by John the Baptist into Mandaeans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeans) = Gnostics.

Mostly practiced in Egypt with the Therapeutae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutae) = Gnostic Healers.

Preached around Galilee for maybe a few years.

His brother James founded the Church of Jerusalem, which is what I, personally, refer to as the Christian religion. To this, the Roman one is certainly seen as the beast.

Is it Mandean, no, was it personally devised by Jesus, probably not much, is it similar to Judaism, yes.

It says there are no other kinds of Christianity. A false representation, such as the Roman one, is called anti-Christ.


I have been a visitor of churches of most kinds, and I do not like them, except for the religion of Jerusalem. I like that. But I have to be admitted as an outsider or visitor. I disagree with their theology primarily on the "one person savior" tenet. Instead I strongly believe in the "one universal principle savior". In Buddhism we call it Vajrasattva. It means Gnosis Being, but, it is more like the universal principle of purification of the mind. "He" is not exactly "a being", and, if someone were to press me for a messiah or something, I would say "he's just imaginary" and go away.

Buddha himself is not at all like Jesus in that way.

I personally accept Jesus in about the same way Islam does, but then I do not turn around and revere Mohammed in such a way.


I may be something like para-Christian, in the sense that I admire what I understand the direct followers of Jesus were doing, which was taking to the streets looking for those who were hungry, sick, etc., and caring for them regardless of race or creed or whatever.

By doing so, they were in an Assembly, an Ecclesia.

A church is a building, an institution, a Circe or Circle.

Jesus definitely started an Ecclesia and probably had little to nothing to do with a church. Usually a church is guilty as sin of third-hand charity. You toss money in a coffer and someone else goes and does the stuff.

The only way Jesus could have been defined as "free of sin" would be according to 641 Mosaic laws.

Within what I know of the religion, I would say that if a person understands the Trinity and the Elohim, this is probably pretty close to how our system works. The Trinity must be taken in the sense of the religion of Jerusalem wherein the Holy Spirit may be regarded as Shekhinah or Sophia which is feminine.

So far I have not found anyone who answers to this.

Concerning the principles you mentioned, yes, of course, Dana or Generosity is our first value, and yes, it is a type of sovereign self-empowerment but without ego. Buddhism does not really have its own morality, astrology, or natural environment, those are about the same as anyone else's, that is, if you look at the basic parts of most religions, they are pretty similar, I like the Sermon on the Mount even though I do not belong to any church.

I strongly support anyone's right to disagree with me and believe or do whatever they want, until it comes to doctrines that deal with revenge, domination, superiority, etc., which seem to have crept into sects in all the religions.

I have an understanding of Orthodox Christianity and of, what we might call, lower-case "christos = oil", but otherwise it can be difficult for me to get what someone is trying to say, because it is kind of a foreign subject.

[Pris]

.

Until I reached a point of needing a (growing) stage resolution where I was at, I didn't really notice what a whacking great conflict there is between self empowerment and gratitude.

I'm interested to hear what, particularly, Pris and Shebaron might have to say on it.

In my case, I intuited that I needed to explore gratitude out beyond where I first discovered it, in the here and now. Without deliberation, I found myself having a series of introductions to Christ ( the one I'm talking about ) not in any sensational apparition or anything, but as info bombs dropping on or near my familiar cerebral stomping ground. At the beginning I made no connection to it being a product of gratitude itself, which I have since learned is more than likely ( from the testimony of Jessie Czebotar, a childhood trained 'mother of darkness' in the luciferian brotherhood. It opens portals/spiritual gates, apparently, but as they refuse gratitude they substitute it with ecstasy)

As a realisation of who and what Christ is ( the one I'm talking about, again) sank in a little, it introduced for me a resolution of the conflict between self empowerment and gratitude. It began to show me that the 'power' is not of, from or about the self, in the self identity sense, but that the self conducts the power in and through itself, from another point or place or entity, I comfortable assume that is what some people call source and what I usually just call god.

Tinkering with that flow of empowerment by applying self identity self to it transforms it into the beginnings of 'black magic'. Luciferians have a whole stable of methods and practices to do exactly that.

Christ introduces the practicable self 'discipline' of not doing that or chaotically wavering into doing that, and maintaining a resolved living of both sovereign self empowerment and true gratitude.

I can conceivably reverse engineer parts of the gospel writings and arrive at imagining Christ actually said that, probably to people who had no or very little idea what he was talking about.

Of course, if you solidly believe there was no living Christ, I might as well assume you have no idea what I'm talking about either. That would be a disappointment and I'd leave it there, for this thread, if so.

But you/I never know . . . .


(Note: from my point-of-view, my explanation here applies equally to everyone.)

This is how I might explain this: the "force", the "life force" is me. It doesn't come from "out there", from "God", or "Source". It is my center, my anchor. Meantime, my self-identity and "ego" are vital, and confirm my power and resolve especially when I enter "altered-states". They are like armor around my soul.

I think the "living Christ" is in each of us, physically manifested. So, technically, each one of us is "Christ", very much alive. Gratitude for all things naturally springs from this realization.

[shaberon]

This is how I might explain this: the "force", the "life force" is me. It doesn't come from "out there", from "God", or "Source".


No, it doesn't.

In our view it is permanent and distinguishable from brain consciousness:


hṛdaya-vastu[hadaya-vatthu] heart-basis. The heart is considered as the physical support of all citta-s other than the two sets of fivefold sense consciousness which take their respective sensitivities as their bases. The hṛdaya-vastu is described as the seat of thought and feeling -- the basis of mind. It is the seat of the divine intuition and of the Buddha-nature.


Then, it suggests re-reading most scriptures in the view that what is discussed as the creator of the planet/universe/etc., is really this, of one's self.

Pretty much just a drop of life force, which is capable of incarnations in all kinds of realms. Beings crave realms which are spontaneously created by them. Such realms are attributable to a "Source", i. e., that aspect of mind which produces manifestation.

That is why I do not think yoga is a religion in the usual sense. It is a practice, that is, the experience of such states as we have discussed, in relation to the above. How consciousness conditions experience in any of these realms, all essentially due to the same life force.


Moreover, again turning to the fact that we are dealing with several ideas that were originally in spoken Pali, if we look around the common "Anatta" or "Anatma" doctrine where Buddhism explains no self, even on one of their own web pages, we find the spelling Annatha (http://dhamma-stream.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-doctrrine-of-annatha-araht-therie.html).


This is a little different:


anātha : (adj.) miserable; helpless; destitute.


According to the Jains:


“That very same doctrine, which is devoted to the helpless (anātha-vatsala), is a preceptor and a friend, and the doctrine is a master and a brother. It is a protector without a motive. This doctrine saves the three worlds [from] sinking into the pit of hell. Also, it confers happiness beyond the senses for corporeal [souls]”.


So Buddhism is really saying an Annatha doctrine, meaning that beings are utterly helpless, especially in matters pertaining to transmigration and rebirth. In turn, Buddha is Natha, utterly helpful to beings, especially in matters pertaining to transmigration and rebirth.

In turn, for example, Avalokiteshvara is Loka Natha, i. e. helpful to the world.

Moreover, it is not true there is no Atma in Buddhism, although it remains true that it is not the ego or formational mental processes, because it is more like a drop of life force in the core of the heart.

[norman]

This thread might complement the reading here, a little.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119382-Belief-Wars&p=1515226&viewfull=1#post1515226

[Pris]

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This is how I might explain this: the "force", the "life force" is me. It doesn't come from "out there", from "God", or "Source".


No, it doesn't.

In our view it is permanent and distinguishable from brain consciousness:


hṛdaya-vastu[hadaya-vatthu] heart-basis. The heart is considered as the physical support of all citta-s other than the two sets of fivefold sense consciousness which take their respective sensitivities as their bases. The hṛdaya-vastu is described as the seat of thought and feeling -- the basis of mind. It is the seat of the divine intuition and of the Buddha-nature.


Then, it suggests re-reading most scriptures in the view that what is discussed as the creator of the planet/universe/etc., is really this, of one's self.

Pretty much just a drop of life force, which is capable of incarnations in all kinds of realms. Beings crave realms which are spontaneously created by them. Such realms are attributable to a "Source", i. e., that aspect of mind which produces manifestation.

That is why I do not think yoga is a religion in the usual sense. It is a practice, that is, the experience of such states as we have discussed, in relation to the above. How consciousness conditions experience in any of these realms, all essentially due to the same life force.


Moreover, again turning to the fact that we are dealing with several ideas that were originally in spoken Pali, if we look around the common "Anatta" or "Anatma" doctrine where Buddhism explains no self, even on one of their own web pages, we find the spelling Annatha (http://dhamma-stream.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-doctrrine-of-annatha-araht-therie.html).


This is a little different:


anātha : (adj.) miserable; helpless; destitute.


According to the Jains:


“That very same doctrine, which is devoted to the helpless (anātha-vatsala), is a preceptor and a friend, and the doctrine is a master and a brother. It is a protector without a motive. This doctrine saves the three worlds [from] sinking into the pit of hell. Also, it confers happiness beyond the senses for corporeal [souls]”.


So Buddhism is really saying an Annatha doctrine, meaning that beings are utterly helpless, especially in matters pertaining to transmigration and rebirth. In turn, Buddha is Natha, utterly helpful to beings, especially in matters pertaining to transmigration and rebirth.

In turn, for example, Avalokiteshvara is Loka Natha, i. e. helpful to the world.

Moreover, it is not true there is no Atma in Buddhism, although it remains true that it is not the ego or formational mental processes, because it is more like a drop of life force in the core of the heart.


Over the years I've gathered bits of information at my own pace from all over that either "rings right" to me or confirms my experiences -- confirms my inner "knowing". Some of the information still holds true to me while some I've cast aside. I am very informal about it all and that's worked for me. That said, some of what you are sharing here does not "ring right" to me. For example, "helplessness" as a concept with regard to myself is not something I entertain.

Perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough. When I said the "force", the "life force" is me and doesn't come from "out there", from "God", or "Source"... I meant that what people perceive to be outside themselves -- "God" or "Source" -- I am saying IS me. I've concluded this for myself from my very own experiences and observations. I recognize this in others. Love finds love.


Uriah Heep The Magician's Birthday


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q75BES-SvCU


The Magician's Birthday

Ken Hensley, John Lawton, Uriah Heep (1972)


In the magic garden
Some were singing
Some were dancing
While the midnight moon
Shone brightly overhead

The stars so gaily glistened
And the sphinx in silence listened to
The magician tell of
Lives that he had led

Let the bells of freedom ring
Songs of love to Friday's king

Let's all go to
The magician's birthday
It's in a forest
But not so far away
Much to do
And so much to say
While we listened to
The orchid orchestra play

Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to magician
Happy Birthday to you

Then at the dead of midnight
As we watched the dancing firelight
The air grew cold
And seemed to dull the flame
The fire died
The music faded
Filled with fear of death we waited
For now we knew
Some evil was to blame

I challenge you
I challenge you all
For all you own
And all you know
And by all the powers of darkness
I will steal what is mine

Surrender now or face my spite
I grant you it may be Friday night
But did you know this day
Also numbers thirteen

First I'll give you fire
I turn your fire into a sleepy stream
Yes, now I give you nightmares
From your horror I'll create a dream

You cannot fight me
For I have the sword of hate
But one thing you can't see
My answer is simply
An impenetrable fortress
Of love, love, love

The fear went as quickly as it came
The air was clear
The fire burned again
The flames leapt
The organ played
The swans sang
To greet the day
And then we knew that
Love will find love will find love

[shaberon]

[COLOR="white"]That said, some of what you are sharing here does not "ring right" to me. For example, "helplessness" as a concept with regard to myself is not something I entertain.


No, of course not.

It was spoken in the view of Compassion towards sentient beings limitless in number.

As I said early on, it seems to me that you, personally, have naturally already shed a vast amount of typical human garbage and penetrated through some veils as described by yoga systems generally.

From our view, we do not have "a" scripture but say there are 84,000 scriptures, emulating the number of nerve branches traveled by the life wind.

Then, in order to stand a chance, we might say something like 80,000 of these are framed by the concern:



What Sutra do we give to the dumbest person?



Moreover, this is in the context that while we hold practices of subtle yoga, this (at least originally) is in conjunction with ordinary worldly education, training in trades, private charity for orphans, victims of earthquake, famine, etc., in times where there were not usually state-based emergency aid programs.

This has something in common with the (original) Christian Ecclesia.


Moreover, it is directly equivalent to the (original) Greek doctrine of One Life, which is Eros with Psyche.

Further, in Greek, one life in the appearance of many lives is Zoe and Ecclesia, who have a known symbol:


=



In India, it is called Amitayus:


His color is red, his posture is one of meditation (dhyana-mudra), his symbol is a begging bowl, his mount is a peacock, his consort is Pandara, ...



Manuscripts on these practices can be traced to ca. year 200 or 300, and they are what is now more commonly considered Pure Land Buddhism (Chan or Zen) as known across China and Japan. These original iterations consist of a type of Upanishadic breathing exercise mixed with a visualization of a Buddha and a purifying transformation of the world we live in. Although beneficial, it is not very advanced, and so far barely distinguishable from any other Kashmiri yoga. And while it is true that China and Japan went through great lengths to import more and more Buddhist scriptures over the course of several centuries, they mostly received a gigantic swell in volume, without much of what we might call "further details" to this kind of basic yoga practice.

As far back as these Amitayus manuals, we find a similar treatment of Akshobhya, which is really Vishnu. But this is still just a continuance of the Upanishads, in the sense that Amitayus means the Life Winds, whereas Vishnu pertains more to consciousness, in the Upanishadic sense of Mind as the Rider on the Winds.

Since those two can be called universals, about the same for everyone, we also find the emergence at this time of the specifically-Buddhist character, Maitreya. These Maitreya practices are not really messianic, about him entering the world, but, the opposite, how do you become skilled enough to go where he is now.

Since hardly anyone can do this, similar to Orthodox Christianity, it is forbidden to make an anti-Maitreya based on foreign ideas projected onto it. Nevertheless, we can find examples, like Chinese Empress Wu does this.


I would probably say that for about ten centuries, within India, these spiritual exercises were refined and re-iterated to an extremely advanced nature, which is not clearly followed in most of the other countries, except that Nepal happens to have been a direct repository, texts still being in the original language. The entire Tibetan language, for example, has a vocabulary that amounts to about ten per cent of Sanskrit.

The Dharma teachings are described as a vast lake, where one will rapidly plunge through depths and you just blow by things that are nearly irrelevant, like "helplessness". You will penetrate it to some degree until you get to something profound and difficult. It is like a self-placement, and then, instead of flailing with 84,000 teachings, you settle in a handful of things that are speaking to you in the present moment.

For example, Tina Turner and Zena LaVey.

Because I independently and naturally started doing the kind of yoga that is in these teachings, I understand a distant level of it much more quickly than most students who are raised in those countries, and I would say, in turn, that forcing a person who has a high degree of natural affinity to undergo a training that is too basic, is actually counter-productive, as is any school where you are ahead of the class.

That is why I am trying to figure out a better organizational system for Indic material which has been inaccessible until recent times.


I have never really gotten it from any Dharma Center I have attended, since they were all so basic. That simply gives me the realization that a public commitment to Refuge Vow is the closest thing I have to an objective bond with any kind of human beings.


Although we cannot find a written manuscript of greater antiquity, the context is the grievances around Queen Vaidehi (https://www.nichirenbayarea.org/queen-vaidehi-aspires-to-the-pure-land):


The Sutra of Meditation on the Buddha of Infinite Life goes on to tell how Queen Vaidehi in desperation called out to the Buddha who was staying on Vulture Peak in the hopes of receiving miraculous visits from his disciples, just as Maudgalyayana and Purna had visited Bimbisara over the previous three weeks. In response to her plea, the Buddha himself appeared accompanied by Ananda and Maudgalyana and a heavenly entourage. Vaidehi then expressed her doubts and despair to the Buddha.

The king’s consort, of her own accord, tore away her necklace and threw herself onto the great earth. Bursting into tears, she said to the World Honored One, “World Honored One, what evil deeds did I commit that I must bear the fruit of giving birth to such an evil child as this, and by what conditions did the World Honored One become a relative of Devadatta? World Honored One, for my sake, please show me the path that is free of sorrow; I have grown weary of this wretched, evil world. This world is an assembly of unhappy beings such as hell beings, hungry ghosts, and animals. From now on, I do not wish to hear unhappy voices nor see unhappy beings. I now face the World Honored One and prostrate myself on the great earth. I beg for your pity as I drown in tears of contrition. I beg of you, World Honored One who dwell amidst the world’s light, please let me gaze upon a pure land.” (Ibid, p. 553)


This is around the well-known King Ajatashatru (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajatashatru), and, using a famous device, no explanations are given to Vaidehi except:



The Buddha does, however, respond to the request to see a better world. He grants to Vaidehi a vision of pure lands throughout the ten directions. These pure lands are essentially heavenly realms where all who are reborn in them can learn and practice the Dharma under the guidance of their presiding buddhas in conditions that are perfectly conducive to attaining enlightenment. Vaidehi then announces that she aspires to be reborn in Sukhavati, the pure land of Amitayus Buddha, the Buddha of Infinite Life (aka Amitabha aka Infinite Light).

At that time, the Word Honored One smiled, and a light of five different hues shot forth; that light shone on the head of King Bimbisara. Although the king was imprisoned, his mind’s eye saw the World Honored One at a distance, and nothing blocked his view. He reverently bowed; the bonds of delusion of themselves came loose, and the king attained enlightenment.

The World Honored One said to Vaidehi, the king’s consort, “Are you not aware that Amitayus Buddha does not dwell far from this place? You ought to think upon Amitayus Buddha’s land of Sukhavati, which was created by virtuous deeds. If you wish to be born in this country, you must perform the three kinds of virtuous deeds. First, you must dutifully attend your parents, serve your teacher faithfully, and be compassionate and refrain from committing the ten grave offences of murder, theft, sexual misconduct, false speech, slander, harsh speech, frivolous talk, covetousness, ill-will, and false views. Second, you must take refuge in the Buddha, Dharma, and the Sangha, observe all the precepts, and uphold your dignity. Third, you must aspire to seek enlightenment, profoundly believe in the principle of cause and effect, read the sutras, and expound their teachings to others. Vaidehi, these three are the virtuous deeds that lead to birth in the Pure Land. The buddhas of the past, present, and future all attained enlightenment on account of these three deeds that functioned as the true cause of their attainment.” (Ibid, pp. 553-554).


This is even more poignant because this Queen--at the time, there not being a "Nepal" and the region between Kathmandu and the Indian border was called Mithila, which is where Buddha is from, already has such a dynasty:


Because Janaka was born from the dead body of his father, he was also known as Vaideha.

A name of Janaka. He had realised the Yoga power of Hari.

Śite, the main female character in the great epic Rāmāyaṇa, who was born in Vidēha country.



Late Vedic literature such as the Shatapatha Brahmana and the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad both mention Janaka (c. 7th century BCE) as a great philosopher-king of Videha, renowned for his patronage of Vedic culture and philosophy, and whose court was an intellectual centre for Brahmin sages such as Yajnavalkya.


The name already has this meaning, Yajnawalkya has brought the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad into Mithila, and then Buddha is born.


Moreover, its actual meaning is:



Videha (विदेह).—a.

1) Bodiless, incorporeal.



Sita is not normal, she was dug out of the ground, an emanation of the Earth Goddess. She leaves our world by going back into it.


Then, in Nepalese stonework, we find a technique called "empty niche", which is where a goddess ought to be, but at the moment she is representing this "bodiless" condition. You could walk past it every day and never think about it. But Nepalese Buddhism is based on teaching what this means, and the resulting practice of it.


And so I think that is a pretty significant "dividing line", between the general public, and someone who has begun to experience dissolution of the senses and Mind as the Rider on the Winds.

From a comparative analysis of most of the training manuals, it appears that levels of teachings are bracketed around Initiations. And in some respects the first one barely counts. It would, for example, qualify someone as a priest, and you could do public rituals like funerals and so on, but it does not make you very adept at yoga. The remaining three all have to do with skill at handling prana or life force.

So a person who naturally is sensitive is not going to find particularly advanced training in the Sutras, because they have already achieved an advanced mode closer to the first two Initiations.

So it is not really true that you have to have direct personal guidance to get there. You may in fact already understand a lot of it and be obfuscated by the fact that most training centers are not set up to accommodate this.


From pursuing "everything" at a young age, I found that I placed a typical mental block against Buddhism, since the idea that Space is an Element seemed ridiculous to me. Energy follows thought, and so nothing subtle about it could have affected me. It was probably five years or so before I re-considered this, while looking into why it seemed that Eastern yoga doctrines were more internal than Western ceremonial magic, and so an increasingly open belief about space and the life winds was all it took to make them start "happening".

Using mainly just tantric materials, I was able to learn that Air Goddess Tara does not just mean the atmosphere around us, but, air in the sense of life winds. And she is the last member in the circle, and so when one so to speak harvests the winds and assassinates the ego, she serves as that guillotine-drop moment. And so it was this Tara that I heavily experienced in a personal way for maybe about five years before learning about Tara as a devotional goddess as the means to purge neurosis. Psychologists are useless, Tara is effective.



Because of that, I have an unusual affinity for Karma Family, which is rare.

Usually, the easiest way for the greatest number of devotees is Amitayus (Celestial) --> Avalokiteshvara (Emanation) = Dharma or Lotus Family. That is why Avalokiteshvara is usually a Buddhist national deity, at least in Nepal, Tibet, Mongolia, and I think Buryatia.


And so it will kind of grid reference you to smaller places in the ocean of teachings coordinated by Family affiliation x Degree, or depth, of Outer, Inner, and Secret in multiple levels.

The reality is something more like they are all always omnipresent at all times, which is why most of the spiritual practices could be categorized as "transformations" from mundane conditions to the magical and divine. The Kagye' map of a hundred deities is something like the constitution of the human aura. And you can see through this, what is being discussed is the ability to die properly and transmigrate to a Pure Land, and then you are going to be reborn. If the Path is rather eonic in nature, part of it is all about death and rebirth.

A personal graveyard of our skeletons would make a mountain.

Most yoga systems are written with the intention of Liberation, which means release from rebirth and transmigration to a very passive state. Yajnawalkya personally witnessed this happening. It seems to be a conformed unity with the Sun. This was, perhaps, a generation, or not much more, at the home of Gautama Siddartha --> Sakyamuni Buddha.

This kind of Buddhism is reliant on the same natural principles, but, re-directs them entirely into things like Merit and Salvation towards all beings, with the intention they experience the same for themselves.


Although I have never used Avalokiteshvara as a meditational deity, the closest thing to a vision I have had was something in the sky that got my attention; I thought it was turning into a totem pole. I was looking for a Thunderbird or something like that. I couldn't find any of those features, and, it did not go into a high resolution model of infinity like in some newer art, but, coalesced into the following:

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which is a meditational form of Avalokiteshvara.

I did not know that and only discovered it much later.

However, I found a feedback loop.

In India, Brahma, the Creator, is not really a deity. The three most widely-known Hindu deities are Shiva, Shakti, and Vishnu. After them one finds Surya or the Sun. And then in certain rare, esoteric ways, there are Kartikkeya (Mars) and Ganapati or Ganesha (Elephant Face).

In Buddhism, Manjushri is Mars and Avalokiteshvara is Ganapati:

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He is there with Earth Goddess Vasudhara (Lakshmi) and Buddhist Vajrayogini.

In Buddhism, Sita is accepted as an emanation of Vasudhara.

This one is a tantric view which, I think, shows a Buddhist twist being applied to Hinduism and yoga generally. The description calls for a mountain of Lapis Lazuli "beside" this.

Mars and Ganapati are commonly represented at Nepali shrines; Vasudhara is something like a tantric gating goddess above the "bodiless" realization.


Moreover, the Earth Goddess herself was a witness to Buddha's Enlightenment in the Pure Lands, which is represented by a tradition similar to "knock on earth" which is done to affirm an oath, or pay respect to a city's gates, etc., and is represented in the standard gesture of Akshobhya.

And so I think you could say the Buddhist system is incorporating normal Vishnu and Lakshmi and using them in an extraordinary way, perhaps as represented by this theme in their traditional Epics:


pain of separation


as there is of course a Divine Marriage being enacted. Main purpose being you, personally, doing it, rather than creating the physical cosmos.

"Bodyless" is common to all yogas which have a Kamadeva or Mahesvara subjugation myth--in Hindu systems, he is usually defeated by fire from Shiva's third eye. Most Buddhist systems say Vajrapani, but, on a closer look it is Taste Goddess Ghasmari, who is in essence about the same as Hindu Adi Shakti or Parashakti.

In comparison to all total Buddhist literature, yogic adeptship with life winds is capable of producing experiences which at least temporarily go up to the Eighth Stage of a Bodhisattva. So, yes, there is a sliding scale of collapsing waveforms as you have little need dwelling on material aimed at someone who doesn't get it.

Everything includes One Life, either axiomatically, as a given presence, or, by proliferous deification of that particular Family.

Life wind, as internal to the body, is a bit different and more related to variety or various experiences and states of being.

There are different approaches, within certain parameters, but the real yoga depends on exactly this. No other way to do it.

[Carlitos]

Over the years I've gathered bits of information at my own pace from all over that either "rings right" to me or confirms my experiences -- confirms my inner "knowing".

I feel most western born/raised spiritual aspirants, have no other choice than to put the information 'jigsaw' together in this manner. I had my fair share of the Christian doctrine fed to me at primary and secondary school. Up until the age of 16 or so, in pre-internet times, it was quite a step to get to know anything outside of the cultural framework (indoctrination).

So discovering that yogic and tantric texts, a treasure trove of information about practicing self evolvement, was an eye opener, to say the least. This goes as far as learning how to instruct one's own sub-conscience to set the course of one's own evolution, and further spiritual development and achievements in this lifetime.

I feel the main difference between the east and west is that, is the way in which the information is distorted (by the roman church, for a start) and the people were kept away from 'the path' - In contrast, in the east the knowledge and practices remained intact, going back at least 6 thousand years; and the volumes of knowledge back then, were already an extensive and precise science (of the human condition), and the lessons are practiced to this day.

After finally getting to read all this literature, (including the Bagavad gita, the six yogas of Naropa, and now the Nag Hammadi to name a few), and partake in the practice - shows us that there was a time when all the information was aligned for the people, enabling them to reach for the higher states of consciousness, or 'enter the kingdom'...

These days, the information is available, but (young) people are misled by a barrage of distracting and confusing notions that suggest they are victims of inadequacy, their uniqueness is being averaged out, termed abnormal (which it isn't). The insanity of war is being normalized, the apocalypse is the number one theme on the video platforms like netflix and other garbage services like it. It seems that people only gain access to the lessons of our ancestors either by chance, or at a late age...

[Pris]

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I must say, I appreciate all the information you've shared in this thread, shaberon. It's going to take me some time to properly go over it. Much of it is in terms I'm entirely unfamiliar with so that makes it rather tough.

I wanted to touch on this:


Nowadays, I focus on seeing and recognizing Good (God) in myself and in all the physical and living physical around me, doing my best to enjoy life to the fullest. For me, that means appreciating every single moment and every "little" thing in this "space time" like stopping to smell the roses and playing with the pooch that lives across the way. That seems easiest.


I'm thinking we can also reach that "highest" state of spiritual awareness in a way that doesn't require "opening the third eye". It's about deciding to be fully present in the moment... enjoying life... For me that feels like bliss even when I just stop to smell a rose... It's like eternity in that moment. It's always "new". I lose myself in the color, form, scent, touch... the sounds all around me... It's pure love. It's infinite. It's about appreciation for all things and being grateful. State of mind is everything.


Then, you said this:


There is one dimension, time, which can be eliminated by Hesychasm and the like, and if it can be removed, then there really aren't any dimensions.

The result is basically as you say, to stop with the roses and little dogs, although this is in the same breath with, for example, killing anything that threatens those roses and dogs.


And, then this came up with regard to "helplessness":



That said, some of what you are sharing here does not "ring right" to me. For example, "helplessness" as a concept with regard to myself is not something I entertain.


No, of course not.

It was spoken in the view of Compassion towards sentient beings limitless in number.

As I said early on, it seems to me that you, personally, have naturally already shed a vast amount of typical human garbage and penetrated through some veils as described by yoga systems generally.

From our view, we do not have "a" scripture but say there are 84,000 scriptures, emulating the number of nerve branches traveled by the life wind.

Then, in order to stand a chance, we might say something like 80,000 of these are framed by the concern:



What Sutra do we give to the dumbest person?



Moreover, this is in the context that while we hold practices of subtle yoga, this (at least originally) is in conjunction with ordinary worldly education, training in trades, private charity for orphans, victims of earthquake, famine, etc., in times where there were not usually state-based emergency aid programs.

This has something in common with the (original) Christian Ecclesia.


Moreover, it is directly equivalent to the (original) Greek doctrine of One Life, which is Eros with Psyche.

Further, in Greek, one life in the appearance of many lives is Zoe and Ecclesia, who have a known symbol:


=



In India, it is called Amitayus:


His color is red, his posture is one of meditation (dhyana-mudra), his symbol is a begging bowl, his mount is a peacock, his consort is Pandara, ...


Now, I think I see what you mean. Yes, being equal... " = " with the rose, the little dog... Connected by love, yes, if there was a threat against them, I would do anything to protect them... because I would feel it as a direct attack on me -- love, quantum entanglement... I would use all my power and fury to protect the helpless.

[Pris]

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In another thread on the subject of energy, our spiritual/love connection with trees came up... I thought I'd share it here:




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I’ve shared my experience I had while on my walk. I call it “Tree Talk”:


I asked Tree for strength.
Tree said I already had it.
I needed connection.
So we connected.




That's right. You already have the power within you. When we connect with nature, nature helps us reconnect with ourselves. :cool2:



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Wow! Thanks, Pris. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/comes-in-hug.gif I totally missed that.
I connected with the tree but now I also understand the message in an expansive way.
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You're welcome, RunningDeer! :bearhug: All I know is, over the years, the love grew inside me and now wells up all the time because I finally remembered who I am... You can't give what you don't give yourself first. It makes me weep, so much incredible beauty in the world...

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Deep sadness for what has "come and gone", happiness and joy for the present and what is still to come... Gratitude. Sometimes, it's just so overwhelming. There's really no other way to describe it. When there's not enough time to love yet a moment of love lasts for all eternity.
:happy dog: :raining:

And, to not take it so serious, I remind myself to stay in the moment. Be creative! Laugh, play and have fun!

It's good to have a friend to share life with!


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Link to post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121337-Free-energy-from-a-tree&p=1564312&viewfull=1#post1564312

[Pris]

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Over the years I've gathered bits of information at my own pace from all over that either "rings right" to me or confirms my experiences -- confirms my inner "knowing".

I feel most western born/raised spiritual aspirants, have no other choice than to put the information 'jigsaw' together in this manner. I had my fair share of the Christian doctrine fed to me at primary and secondary school. Up until the age of 16 or so, in pre-internet times, it was quite a step to get to know anything outside of the cultural framework (indoctrination).

So discovering that yogic and tantric texts, a treasure trove of information about practicing self evolvement, was an eye opener, to say the least. This goes as far as learning how to instruct one's own sub-conscience to set the course of one's own evolution, and further spiritual development and achievements in this lifetime.

I feel the main difference between the east and west is that, is the way in which the information is distorted (by the roman church, for a start) and the people were kept away from 'the path' - In contrast, in the east the knowledge and practices remained intact, going back at least 6 thousand years; and the volumes of knowledge back then, were already an extensive and precise science (of the human condition), and the lessons are practiced to this day.

After finally getting to read all this literature, (including the Bagavad gita, the six yogas of Naropa, and now the Nag Hammadi to name a few), and partake in the practice - shows us that there was a time when all the information was aligned for the people, enabling them to reach for the higher states of consciousness, or 'enter the kingdom'...

These days, the information is available, but (young) people are misled by a barrage of distracting and confusing notions that suggest they are victims of inadequacy, their uniqueness is being averaged out, termed abnormal (which it isn't). The insanity of war is being normalized, the apocalypse is the number one theme on the video platforms like netflix and other garbage services like it. It seems that people only gain access to the lessons of our ancestors either by chance, or at a late age...


It's great that you seem to have found "your path" and the information/knowledge you need.

Knowing myself (as far back as I can remember), I think the way my life unfolded growing up in a western society was good for me. I've always resisted societal "norms", teachings. If the teachings "felt right" to me, who knows? But, I didn't get too many teachings that did. Maybe I would have figured out things much sooner. And, maybe I learned what I learned at exactly the pace and piecemeal way that I needed to suit my personality. I think it's made it fun, confirming, and more meaningful for me to discover these things myself.

My creative and performing arts background, from writing poetry, drawing and painting, to acting and animating, played a huge role in the direction my life has taken. Many of my epiphanies are the result of insights I gleaned from pop culture -- everything from TV shows, movies, and music, to comics and toys and so on.

I fell in love with acting (what happens on stage, in front of the camera, and behind-the-scenes) and that led me on a very, very interesting path... I discovered so much about myself. In the mid 1990s, my rather rebellious film acting teacher (previously assistant director in multiple TV productions) used the book, "Psycho-Cybernetics", to teach us how to control our minds through our "sub-conscious" and, therefore, control our outcomes (improved acting performance). It was helpful for Method Acting and building confidence and resolve and was probably the most mind-affecting book I ever read. From there, I dove into "self-help" books. "Happiness is a Choice" really stuck with me.



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[Carlitos]

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[QUOTE=Pris]Over the years I've gathered bits of information at my own pace from all over that either "rings right" to me or confirms my experiences -- confirms my inner "knowing".

... I fell in love with acting (what happens on stage, in front of the camera, and behind-the-scenes) and that led me on a very, very interesting path... I discovered so much about myself. In the mid 1990s, my rather rebellious film acting teacher (previously assistant director in multiple TV productions) used the book, "Psycho-Cybernetics", to teach us how to control our minds through our "sub-conscious" and, therefore, control our outcomes (improved acting performance). It was helpful for Method Acting and building confidence and resolve and was probably the most mind-affecting book I ever read. From there, I dove into "self-help" books. "Happiness is a Choice" really stuck with me.


Thanks for your reply Pris - and for sharing - and I agree, happiness is a choice, and implicitly so is doom and damnation. Once past that realisation, and having found the 'Way' (let me reference another profound book: The Way and its Power - by Lao Tzu) we can see the magic of it all in everyday life, in the simple things, like walking on a beach, or cooking food for our kids, or just hanging out with friends. What dawns on us, and the things we decide to do while walking the way makes achieving great things seem like a matter of course. om tat sat.

[shaberon]

Connected by love, yes, if there was a threat against them, I would do anything to protect them... because I would feel it as a direct attack on me -- love, quantum entanglement... I would use all my power and fury to protect the helpless.


Exactly.

The upswing is that this is not just for external threats, but, their own ignorance.

At this point, I am a bit of a living encyclopedia, starting quite similarly to the classics such as Carlitos mentioned, along with the view of the RCC as a parasitic distortion. Then, because over the course of my lifetime, a considerable volume of Buddhist material has been published in books or online, I am more or less spitting out third-year studies as if they were introductory, again because I think for someone who is already fluent with some kind of meditation or yoga, it is redundant if not backwards to re-trace routes that may have been intended for the raising of a six-year-old.

There are tons of flea eggs in almost everything that is readily available.

For example it is correct that "Six Yogas" is the main training method, but, in the sense as written previously, it should be "Six Dharmas of Naro", which are, so to speak, extraordinary sets of phenomena triggered by practicing the Six Yogas. It covers the panel of things from Dreams to Death.

Most "Tibetan Buddhism" claims an attachment to Naro.

The only one I have been "taken into", Karma Kagyu, has the meaning of four ways at looking at four kinds of tantric lineages that were transmitted through Naro. As a practitioner, I have only ever used a "short lineage", such as Tilo, Naro, Gampo, Mila, because I personally am not close enough to Tibet to claim that any extensive list of teachers has anything to do with me. The short list covers the end of Indian Buddhism and its migration into Tibet.

To a great extent, most everything I have is a compendium of the "system of Naro". It is the same basic meditation as in the eleventh century in the university courtyard with collections of human skulls.

In most of these cases, teachers do not innovate or change anything. Naro is simply a vehicle of apostolic succession, who could be said to have "created" Naro Dakini, which is really just a personal adjustment to existing practices.

Through peer review, it is accepted that someone like Naro only dispenses things that are reliable and stable, which becomes a guarantee for it working for others. That is how such practices slowly accumulate. You can't just make something up and submit it for a vote. They are outcomes of pretty rigorous review.

We have an amount of his commentary which is very useful, and not much else.

He was effectively a department head of a university, which, of course, held the strata of Puranic Hinduism and the Vedas, everything about math, astrology, the technology of the era, alongside the Buddhist Sutras and all of its basics.

Gatekeepers such as Naro probably had five or six students out of a population of hundreds or thousands.

These may have been royally-appointed posts, in fact the Pala Dynasty as a whole is the main reason we have most of these things, and, towards the end, King Ramapala is one of the greatest exegetes of our system.

By "system", I mean something that is hardly traceable in Tibetan Buddhism. Here's why.

We use a broad scale to classify "all systems":

0 - nothing, no spiritual beliefs, general lack of morality, animalistic

1 - a belief in "something good", usually with a spiritual ideal of rebirth in a paradise or Heaven world

2 - a belief in reincarnation, usually coupled with "Liberation" or the cessation of cyclic existence

3 - the Bodhisattva Path


This already relinquishes simpler forms of Buddhism based on Nirvana to level two, which encompasses most of the Hindu practices.

However, on that level, we already find something peculiar. In the culture, a guru is obviously significant, and if our basic meditation is Guru Yoga then it sounds impossible without a human master.

In Hinduism, Adi Shankara is significant for developing a different kind of system where Shiva is your Guru. It skips the human intercessory, is intended to make you un-tied from a temple, i. e. is the way of the Ekadandins or Staff Bearers, which is weird because orthodox Hinduism has more rules on ritual cleanliness than Judaism.

Such rules are called "Karma Khanda", which is the part that Buddha said was unnecessary for spiritual growth.

All such "wanderer" traditions are in some sense a social deviation, but then of course Buddhism reaches to the outcastes such as candalas or handlers of corpses and so on.

Kagyu Guru Yoga mirrors the Shankarite principle. You can do it in a transcendental way, without any human. Most Guru Yogas will auto-fill H. H. Dalai Lama or someone like that, and, preferrably, of course, your own teacher.

The teaching itself says it propagates simply by reading and practice.

Most of us are not, and probably never will be, in close guidance by a personal teacher.

This does not compensate for the fact that, if we already have some kind of progress and sensitivity to the subtle body, we have tuned ourselves into a much more selective arena of teachings.

To be Buddhism, it all has to run through Vajrasattva Guru Yoga. Simple as that.

Conversely, all Hindus accept the Buddhist Mahasiddhas as real yoga adepts. These include four Nath yogis, such as Jalandhara and Matsyendranath, meaning they were already accomplished in that practice and then found some reason for joining Buddhism.

One of the latest Indian Vajravarahi practices was composed by Umapatideva, which sounds obscure until you think of Uma (Shiva's wife) Pati (lover or husband) means he is simply named for Shiva, and, as far as I can tell, was a high priest at a large Shiva temple for a long time. He more or less just moved, apparently got into Buddhism, and was able to develop this practice in a relatively brief time.

Anyone can work their way in to the "system of Naro", but, you are banned from Gnostic communities, gated or repressed by most others should you attempt to convert, there is not a lot that offers to make you a full standing member mostly by reading and thinking about it.

Level three, meaning Mahayana Buddhism, is Yogacara or is a yoga practice, this being the only part which distinguishes it from others.

Most Tibetan Buddhism is framed as a contra-Yogacara.

Think about this: would a south Indian yogi be interested in that form of inner heat that melts snow? No, this Tibetanism is like a branch or minor power, unintended by Indian yoga, also practiced by yak drivers and others forced to remain outdoors. Madame David-Neel found out about this and trained accordingly, without going into much detail other than "remarkable results".

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I cannot watch the video until tomorrow but I am wondering the name of the 104 year old book from the title?

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I cannot watch the video until tomorrow but I am wondering the name of the 104 year old book from the title?


Good question! :happy: Funny, I hadn't really concerned myself with that. It seems the information in the video is gleaned from all over the place. Fascinating, no matter how you slice it.

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I cannot watch the video until tomorrow but I am wondering the name of the 104 year old book from the title?


Good question! :happy: Funny, I hadn't really concerned myself with that. It seems the information in the video is gleaned from all over the place. Fascinating, no matter how you slice it.

I watched the video and it was great . The book is called "The anti christ" by Dr george w carey. There is a link in the youtube video description. It seems like a fairly short book

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I cannot watch the video until tomorrow but I am wondering the name of the 104 year old book from the title?


Good question! :happy: Funny, I hadn't really concerned myself with that. It seems the information in the video is gleaned from all over the place. Fascinating, no matter how you slice it.

I watched the video and it was great . The book is called "The anti christ" by Dr george w carey. There is a link in the youtube video description. It seems like a fairly short book


Ah yes, a PDF link. I just might check that out, too. And, I'm glad you liked the video. It's something I stumbled across awhile ago, one of the best comprehensive videos I ever found on the mind/body/spirit subject wrapped up in the shortest possible amount of time with excellent visuals. Really well done. It confirmed so much for me.

And, welcome to the forum!

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The book is called "The anti christ" by Dr george w carey. There is a link in the youtube video description. It seems like a fairly short book


Ah yes, a PDF link. I just might check that out, too.


It is an eight page tract where he calls Constantine the anti-Christ.

Let's give it a mixed review for a moment.

He may be a Hebrew supremacist, viz.:

"The bodily organ that men in their ignorance call heart is termed divider or pump in Greek and Hebrew."


That is first-class because "heart" is Sanskrit Hrd (https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/hrid).

Now of course there is the doctrine that god spoke Hebrew and created the universe in Hebrew, for which there is evidence roughly 1,000 B. C. E. that there was this language.

Sanskrit of course has a similar claim, although it is much older and has millions following an unbroken tradition.

This seems to reverse the sense entirely:

The cerebellum is heart shaped and called the heart in Greek —thus "As a man thinketh in his heart so is he."


Heart doctrine is physically literal, it is about making the brain shut up.


"Constantine, the pagan Roman Emperor,
a monster in human form..."

Constantine was Pontifex Maximus of Apollo and had almost nothing to do with Christianity. At the Nicean Council, he basically let debates go on for a while and then said "answer please".

An argument denigrating "paganism" somewhat undermines the rest of what he is saying. Hebrew astronomy had two planets until the Babylonian Captivity, so, to make a Zodiacal argument is really to exalt the Babylonian system. That is used here, and, this is one of those rare things that I have no idea where it comes from:


"Every twenty-eight and one-half days, when the moon is in
the sign of the zodiac that the sun was in at the birth of the native,
there is a seed or Psycho—Physical germ born in the or out of, the
Solar Plexus..."


This is halfway correct for Ruach:

Breath is translated "soul" over 500 times in the Bible, therefore soul is precipitated air (spirit) which may be lost in physical
desire and expression (waste or sin, viz: to fall short) or saved
by Regeneration.


except the main distinction is Ruach, the physical breath of man, and Ruach Elohim, the beginning of Genesis.

Is this serious?

"—the Devil (lived, spelled
backward)"


He doesn't seem to know where Tropical Astrology comes from:

"But even unto this day the whole anti-Christ world (so-called "Christian")
except the astrologers, go by almanacs that make the moon enter a sign of the zodiac two and one-half days before it does enter it and thus perpetuate the lie of the pagan Constantine, the antiChrist."



This is an article from Azoth Magazine (http://iapsop.com/archive/materials/azoth/). Original editor was M. J. Whitty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Foster_Case):



Whitty was serving as the 'cancellarius' (treasurer/office manager) for the Thoth-Hermes Lodge in Chicago, which was one of the lodges of the Alpha et Omega (A.O.). Alpha et Omega was the successor organization to the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, founded in 1906 by S. L. MacGregor Mathers, after the demise of the Golden Dawn in 1903. Whitty invited Case to join Thoth-Hermes, which was the direct American lodge under the A.O. mother lodge in Paris.


Whitty republished Case's attribution of the Tarot keys (with corrections) in Azoth magazine.

Between 1919 and 1920, Case and Michael Whitty collaborated in the development of the text which would later be published as The Book of Tokens. This book was written as a received text, whether through meditation, automatic writing, or some other means. It later surfaced that Master R. was the source.


Bear in mind these are "experts" who force their own conclusions onto fragmentary relics of foreign cultures.

The author here, G. Carey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Carey), was the first to state that a person's body is a “chemical formula in operation.”

The more accurate part is that he opens by speaking of the Essenes, one of the few traceably "pre-Christian Gnostic" sects, Jesus probably was Essene. And of course this pretty much perished to the sand.

The rest of what he says has no citations at all.

Nicea was kind of a two-edged sword; while it does make a type of domineering code, it has also managed to stuff Astrology under the hood of it all, the simple example being the move of the Sabbath "Saturn Day" to a different service held on Sun Day.

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I cannot watch the video until tomorrow but I am wondering the name of the 104 year old book from the title?


Good question! :happy: Funny, I hadn't really concerned myself with that. It seems the information in the video is gleaned from all over the place. Fascinating, no matter how you slice it.

I watched the video and it was great . The book is called "The anti christ" by Dr george w carey. There is a link in the youtube video description. It seems like a fairly short book


I just read the book and thought it was excellent. It makes a lot of sense to me. To me, it's all about being entirely in control of one's body, mind, and spirit. It's about having a healthy frame of mind and being in a healthy body in order to initiate OBEs for a healthy, awake and aware spirit.

Even without having known much about the information before (as shown in the video/text), throughout the years, I've had a few spontaneous OBEs. Later on I learned how to self-initiate OBEs on my own using fairly simple techniques. I had multiple OBEs in a period of a few months. What worked for me was dream study/awareness, repeatedly writing down my intentions (what I wanted from the OBE), and interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back). Practice and persistence got results. As thrilling as the OBEs are, I found initiating them to be hard work -- time-consuming and tiring.

To help the OBE process, I learned to willfully expand my awareness. I learned to intensify my sense of hearing while focusing on my internal vision. With this focus, I've been able to raise the electrical vibration of my body (that prickly feeling) and amplify the "sound" in my head by willfully raising the pitch.

It probably also helped that for much of my life I've been a vegetarian and more recently a vegan and am quite careful about what I eat. For over a decade now, I also drink distilled water and practice Urine Therapy. I learned how to self-initiate OBEs only within the last 6-7 years. It's not something I've done recently because for me it's tiring and takes a lot of work. As rare as they are, I'm happy to say I still get the occasional spontaneous OBE.

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I cannot watch the video until tomorrow but I am wondering the name of the 104 year old book from the title?


Good question! :happy: Funny, I hadn't really concerned myself with that. It seems the information in the video is gleaned from all over the place. Fascinating, no matter how you slice it.

I watched the video and it was great . The book is called "The anti christ" by Dr george w carey. There is a link in the youtube video description. It seems like a fairly short book


I just read the book and thought it was excellent. It makes a lot of sense to me. To me, it's all about being entirely in control of one's body, mind, and spirit. It's about having a healthy frame of mind and being in a healthy body in order to initiate OBEs for a healthy, awake and aware spirit.

Even without having known much about the information before (as shown in the video/text), throughout the years, I've had a few spontaneous OBEs. Later on I learned how to self-initiate OBEs on my own using fairly simple techniques. I had multiple OBEs in a period of a few months. What worked for me was dream study/awareness, repeatedly writing down my intentions (what I wanted from the OBE), and interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back). Practice and persistence got results. As thrilling as the OBEs are, I found initiating them to be hard work -- time-consuming and tiring.

To help the OBE process, I learned to willfully expand my awareness. I learned to intensify my sense of hearing while focusing on my internal vision. With this focus, I've been able to raise the electrical vibration of my body (that prickly feeling) and amplify the "sound" in my head by willfully raising the pitch.

It probably also helped that for much of my life I've been a vegetarian and more recently a vegan and am quite careful about what I eat. For over a decade now, I also drink distilled water and practice Urine Therapy. I learned how to self-initiate OBEs only within the last 6-7 years. It's not something I've done recently because for me it's tiring and takes a lot of work. As rare as they are, I'm happy to say I still get the occasional spontaneous OBE.

What do you mean by "interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back)"?

I used to obe very easily as a child, easily as lying down and then sitting straight back up. Then I got attacked for doing them and ended up forgetting how. I remember I used to sit upside down, I think the increased bloodflow to the head helped somehow. I have struggled to do them for a long time now :( Sometimes happens naturally but I would like to be able to initiate obe's at my leisure. I am trying the celibacy as mentioned in the video but it's tough going, lol.

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What do you mean by "interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back)"?

I used to obe very easily as a child, easily as lying down and then sitting straight back up. Then I got attacked for doing them and ended up forgetting how. I remember I used to sit upside down, I think the increased bloodflow to the head helped somehow. I have struggled to do them for a long time now :( Sometimes happens naturally but I would like to be able to initiate obe's at my leisure. I am trying the celibacy as mentioned in the video but it's tough going, lol.


Thanks for the question! But, first off, what do you mean you were ATTACKED for doing OBEs (and then you forgot how to do them)? Are you able to elaborate? I have some thoughts to share on that but first I'd like to hear what you may have to say about it if you're willing to share.

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What do you mean by "interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back)"?

I used to obe very easily as a child, easily as lying down and then sitting straight back up. Then I got attacked for doing them and ended up forgetting how. I remember I used to sit upside down, I think the increased bloodflow to the head helped somehow. I have struggled to do them for a long time now :( Sometimes happens naturally but I would like to be able to initiate obe's at my leisure. I am trying the celibacy as mentioned in the video but it's tough going, lol.


Thanks for the question! But, first off, what do you mean you were ATTACKED for doing OBEs (and then you forgot how to do them)? Are you able to elaborate? I have some thoughts to share on that but first I'd like to hear what you may have to say about it if you're willing to share.
Yes. When I was a kid I would sit upside down on the couch and go off journeying out of body. My older sister used to run in the room and jump on me or disturb me. Eventually I stopped trying and forgot how. I remember someone asking me as a kid how to obe and I used to say "it's as easy as sitting upside down" lol Not so easy anymore but I hope it will be again. I have been attacked by negative entities as well I guess but that happened later on, in dreams more than journeys.

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What do you mean by "interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back)"?

I used to obe very easily as a child, easily as lying down and then sitting straight back up. Then I got attacked for doing them and ended up forgetting how. I remember I used to sit upside down, I think the increased bloodflow to the head helped somehow. I have struggled to do them for a long time now :( Sometimes happens naturally but I would like to be able to initiate obe's at my leisure. I am trying the celibacy as mentioned in the video but it's tough going, lol.


Thanks for the question! But, first off, what do you mean you were ATTACKED for doing OBEs (and then you forgot how to do them)? Are you able to elaborate? I have some thoughts to share on that but first I'd like to hear what you may have to say about it if you're willing to share.
Yes. When I was a kid I would sit upside down on the couch and go off journeying out of body. My older sister used to run in the room and jump on me or disturb me. Eventually I stopped trying and forgot how. I remember someone asking me as a kid how to obe and I used to say "it's as easy as sitting upside down" lol Not so easy anymore but I hope it will be again. I have been attacked by negative entities as well I guess but that happened later on, in dreams more than journeys.


That's great how easily OBEing came to you as a kid. Did you have any idea what was happening to you? It sounds like you enjoyed the activity for the most part. However, it's hard enough for adults to reckon with the experience and analyze what it all means (their belief systems and state of mind can really throw them for a loop). If we "go in" without knowledge -- especially as a young, inexperienced child, I think we can really get messed up. Still, in some ways being a child may be a good thing (depending on the child) as children are less likely to be colored by the indoctrinations and belief systems of others.

So it was your older sister who "attacked" you and disturbed you, I see. Lol! That must have ticked you off. ;p

As for your attacks by negative entities, I can give you my thoughts on those things based on my own experience. What I determined has stuck with me ever since and kept me strong and grounded during the OBE. "Energy flows where attention goes." Thoughts are "things". On the "other side", we get what we expect.

I think that for each of us, the OBE (kind of like it's all one "plane of existence" but our awareness has suddenly expanded so we notice so much more) is as singularly individual as we are. What happens with this new expanded awareness is based on what we expect. "Entities" that manifest are, from my experience, "grown" out of ourselves. It's easy to do especially if you "go in" (go "inward" -- meaning also expanding outward) with apprehension and fear and little idea of what's really happening and "expect bad entities" to show up. However, when you realize you are in charge and nothing can be manifested or touch you unless you create it and allow it, the experience shifts immediately to empowerment.

For me, these "entities" aren't really "real" to begin with -- born out of a thought one moment, the next moment seemly "real" and "tangible". Then, when I demand they leave, the next moment, poof -- gone. During the OBE, it's exactly the same with the "positive entities", the "people I love", "pets" etc. Are they real? What is real? Is it all in my imagination? It is entirely with meaning and entirely without meaning at the same time.

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What do you mean by "interrupting my sleep patterns (while lying on my back)"?


I have always had my OBEs after having gone to bed and have been sleeping for awhile first... The body position that's always worked for me is lying on my back any old way so long as my limbs are not crossed. It's so important to be very, very comfortable and not feel any part of your body moving. My head is facing up, mouth closed... with the tip of my tongue pressed tight against the front my palate right up behind the back of my top front teeth (heard that somewhere, I think something about that is good for electrical flow?... Besides, after having paid attention to the position of my tongue right after I've come out of spontaneous OBEs, that just so happens to be the position of my tongue lol. It may seem like a little thing, but I think it's key.) It's best not to try to initiate an OBE with anybody lying next to you because that can jar you if they move or touch you.

It's practically impossible for me to OBE if I'm too tired. I've gotten OBE results by setting my alarm to wake me up in the middle of the night after maybe three to five hours of sleep (I normally sleep 7-8 hours). The idea is to get up out of bed, take a bathroom break (wake my brain), then go back to bed. I reset the alarm for maybe an hour later. In the meantime, I use that hour to lie there, with eyes shut, and focus (I like to listen intently). Hopefully, the body is tired enough to fall back to sleep while the brain/mind stays awake in order to initiate an OBE. If I lose consciousness and fall back to sleep, the alarm (set an hour later) will wake me up again so I can try again. And, so on and so on. That gives a few opportunities to initiate an OBE during the night and morning hours.

Note: It's always good to be fully hydrated. Dehydration doesn't feel good to me and, if I ignore my body's warning signs, I'll usually be "rewarded" with a charley horse. I've found it's better to run to the bathroom a few times a night than to be dehydrated. Also, I try not to have a full stomach as that interferes with being able to properly relax.

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I am trying the celibacy as mentioned in the video but it's tough going, lol.

I'm not a guy so I can't really give an opinion whether or not this is a good thing. Here's what I know. The term "orgone" comes from the word "orgasm" which means that there's supposedly some kind of energy all around us that we can tap into and/or pull from within ourselves (as above so below so-to-speak).

I've found that OBEs feel really good... They can be very stimulating, arousing. It's that particular energy... when you feel it, it can be focused and directed up the spine and the sensation seems to envelop the entire body -- which then "explodes" inside the head. It's an amazing feeling. If I had to guess, I'd say that celibacy isn't necessary for men (definitely not for ladies). You don't want to be miserable/uptight (if that's how it makes you feel, I'm guessing). You want to feel good. It's just a matter of timing. Time yourself to store up some of that energy for the OBE because that's what helps initiate the experience.

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I am trying the celibacy as mentioned in the video but it's tough going, lol.

I'm not a guy so I can't really give an opinion whether or not this is a good thing. Here's what I know. The term "orgone" comes from the word "orgasm" which means that there's supposedly some kind of energy all around us that we can tap into and/or pull from within ourselves (as above so below so-to-speak).

I've found that OBEs feel really good... They can be very stimulating, arousing. It's that particular energy... when you feel it, it can be focused and directed up the spine and the sensation seems to envelop the entire body -- which then "explodes" inside the head. It's an amazing feeling. If I had to guess, I'd say that celibacy isn't necessary for men (definitely not for ladies). You don't want to be miserable/uptight (if that's how it makes you feel, I'm guessing). You want to feel good. It's just a matter of timing. Time yourself to store up some of that energy for the OBE because that's what helps initiate the experience.

It will be one week tomorrow :) I'm going for at least a month, like it says in the video. I think it's worth trying because I am single anyway and the benefit could be huge. I tried once before and when I got about 2 weeks in and something very unusual happened - ladies started giving me lots of compliments and flirting with me very openly. My energy had changed I guess because they never normally did any of that in my entire life, lol. I'm not going full mortification, I am into buddhism and the middle path seems appropriate for me.

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It will be one week tomorrow :) I'm going for at least a month, like it says in the video. I think it's worth trying because I am single anyway and the benefit could be huge. I tried once before and when I got about 2 weeks in and something very unusual happened - ladies started giving me lots of compliments and flirting with me very openly. My energy had changed I guess because they never normally did any of that in my entire life, lol. I'm not going full mortification, I am into buddhism and the middle path seems appropriate for me.


More power to you! Hey, the other day I was listening to Cyndi Lauper's "She Bop" (lol), and what's interesting is, since we've been talking about this subject, this is the first time I heard the lyrics differently... Perhaps, it's just me... BUT, take a look at this:


[Verse 2]
Do I wanna go out with a lion's roar?
Yeah, I wanna go south and get me some more
Hey, they say that a stitch in time saves nine
They say I better stop or I'll go blind
Oop, she bop, she bop

[Chorus]
She bop, he bop, a we bop
I bop, you bop, a they bop
Be bop, be bop, a lu bop
(I hope He will understand)
She bop, he bop, a we bop
I bop, you bop, a they bop
Be bop, be bop, a lu, she bop
Oh, she do, she bop


My thoughts here... Now, I'm not religious and I don't believe in God. I know about "Good". I'm all for Good. We realize we are Good if and when we realize we've always had it inside ourselves. It can be buried when we take the bad path in life... Without the knowledge of "good" and "evil" to begin with, the older we get -- the longer we live -- the more we are tempted to lose our way. This is about remembering/rediscovering ourselves so the "resurrection" of the Good in all of us can happen.

Being forgiven by someone else (like "God") for the bad thoughts and behaviors we have engaged in, in my opinion, is meaningless. This is an entirely individual process. It is up to the individual to stop their bad behavior, know it was wrong, and then truly forgive themselves and take the Good path.

So, I highlighted the lines in the lyrics that stand out for me. What stopped me in my tracks was the part about "going blind". That old saying about going blind... when we wantonly indulge in the "pleasures of the flesh", I was thinking that the old saying may come from the fact that we are literally wasting our electrically conductive "Christos" oil ("Christ") so there's not enough to open our inner eye (pineal gland, 3rd eye) and enter the "Kingdom of Heaven" (initiate an OBE). In a very real way, we go blind.

In John 9:25, a blind man says, "Whether he be a sinner or not, I know not. One thing I know, whereas I was blind, now I see." This is the change that happens when we "go inside ourselves" and encounter "Jesus", or "Christ", the Christos, the Fruit of the Tree of Life, the sacred oil. Our inner eye (the pineal gland -- physically and literally an eye, by the way) will open. Having negative, lowered vibrational energy as a result from bad behavior and thoughts (and wasting our sexual energy and/or using it in a bad way) shuts us out of the "Kingdom of Heaven".