The Fallacy of "saving the planet"

[thepainterdoug]

Some thoughts relating to Greers talk, disclosure, ET, and climate change that kicked off this post

I wonder who else ponders these questions?

Saving the planet? Save it from what or who? Humans or not, the earth goes thru changes with Sun activity, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions , tsunamis, forest fires and its own weather for centuries. How much of earth contained gasses, magma, oil etc are released during these large scale natural events?

The Nordstream explosions , our doing, released more so called damaging gasses in short time then our conservation efforts could do in years.

Without humans, the planet still goes thru all this.
So is the planet hurting or crying because we live on it?
Even if the planet was so called choking with emissions, it would be WE who are choking.

Animals around a watering hole in the Serengeti enjoy the riches of plentiful water and the horrors of draught regardless of humans.They live and die in cycles. Did the Dino's perish because it was their time and there is nothing wrong with it. Or did they need saving? For what, for who? the planet?

Then there is the Et story which gets me. ET's are advising us about saving the planet and giving us peace, yet according to so much I read about ET races, they are constantly at war themselves!
Yet they are teling us, we want to help you? They are in the dumbs, and presently being fought. Phil Schneider was in a fight with them. Then there are the alleged civilizations coming and altering us while they are fighting among each other.

Theres never seems to be a peaceful benevolent ET race helping us and what would they help us for? Saving the planet? The planet does not need saving.

I commend Steven Greer for doing what he does,( more than most of us), but I also have my doubts. Im not sure anymore was accomplished by yesterdays press conference than the one in 2001. Stories, without hard evidence.

It's all money in my mind. Scare, create a problem, then solve.
Rinse and repeat.

as George Carlin said, the planet isn't going anywhere, you are.

[Sunny-side-up]

Cant thank you for this post doug :(

Are you depressed ? you certainly seem to be running on a very negative low energy levels

Yes we are the worst thing on this planet or rather a small percentage of us who are power mongers and want all the wealth at the expense of every thing else :(

We could and should be living on a pristine, wonderful planet now, we have the minds and means or rather could have. We are being kept down and dirty.

[thepainterdoug]

Sunny side, depressed? no not at all, Im in good spirits, just airing out some thoughts feelings and opinions here at the best place to do it.

and why should we be living on a prestine planet? has it ever been that way? was it like that for the native peoples ? they were waring and conquering as well
fighting for food , water and territory. yes they had cleaner air I guess, but were they living till 200 with it?

do animals live in peaceful harmony? or rather is it a natural balance?
and your key phrase was, " could have "

thanks Sunny Side for your reply
pd

[lake]

Some thoughts relating to Greers talk, disclosure, ET, and climate change that kicked off this post

I wonder who else ponders these questions?

Saving the planet? Save it from what or who? Humans or not, the earth goes thru changes with Sun activity, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions , tsunamis, forest fires and its own weather for centuries. How much of earth contained gasses, magma, oil etc are released during these large scale natural events?

The Nordstream explosions , our doing, released more so called damaging gasses in short time then our conservation efforts could do in years.

Without humans, the planet still goes thru all this.
So is the planet hurting or crying because we live on it?
Even if the planet was so called choking with emissions, it would be WE who are choking.

Animals around a watering hole in the Serengeti enjoy the riches of plentiful water and the horrors of draught regardless of humans.They live and die in cycles. Did the Dino's perish because it was their time and there is nothing wrong with it. Or did they need saving? For what, for who? the planet?

Then there is the Et story which gets me. ET's are advising us about saving the planet and giving us peace, yet according to so much I read about ET races, they are constantly at war themselves!
Yet they are teling us, we want to help you? They are in the dumbs, and presently being fought. Phil Schneider was in a fight with them. Then there are the alleged civilizations coming and altering us while they are fighting among each other.

Theres never seems to be a peaceful benevolent ET race helping us and what would they help us for? Saving the planet? The planet does not need saving.

I commend Steven Greer for doing what he does,( more than most of us), but I also have my doubts. Im not sure anymore was accomplished by yesterdays press conference than the one in 2001. Stories, without hard evidence.

It's all money in my mind. Scare, create a problem, then solve.
Rinse and repeat.

as George Carlin said, the planet isn't going anywhere, you are.

Well you made me login mate .... good post and thanks for it :)

Lots more can be said .... and I think that you may? :happy dog:

[norman]

Even people with the best of intentions, within the parameters of their own reasoning, get used by other people with access to the power structure closer to the source than they.

Greer could be an angel, in his intent, but he's just contributed to an extensive program of raising the ET talking point in the public consciousness at a time when it's pretty obvious to me and many that certain people want that, and want it fast.

As Daniel Liszt recently said, on the Alex Jones Show, they want an excuse to hand the governing of the US over to the COG commander they have positioned. A nuke war would do it but that's messy and destructive. A "Bluebeam" stunt would get it done too, without the mess.

[Bruce G Charlton]

@doug - This post, from my blog today (https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2023/06/to-make-world-better-place.html), may go some way towards explaining why 'saving the planet' is a bad aim; if STP can be regarded as an extension of trying to "Make the world a better place":

To "Make the world a better place"?

You didn't want to make things perfect. You just hated things the way they are.

Rocket the Raccoon - from the 2023 movie Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

**

I grew-up (didn't we all?) with the idea that the best kind of people wanted and worked "to make the world a better place".

This ideal has knocked around in the west for more than two centuries, and by-now is almost mainstream: a platitude of innumerable uplifting speeches in politics, the mass media, education, law, medicine, science, the military and the police - as well as churches...

Yet, see where this ideal has led us?

It turns out that abstractions such as The World and "better" are - in practice - subject to colossal disagreement of definition, and are capable of infinite distortion. The worst, most evil, most destructive people are exactly those who most use the rhetoric of making The World a Better Place.


Modern Men can certainly make The World a Worse place, but I see not a shred of evidence that it (whatever 'it' is) can be bettered by such ideals.

Such is reality: methods that work well for evil cannot be used to attain Good: the side of God and of Good cannot use the One Ring to fight Sauron, because then they would become as bad as Sauron.

If the side of Good takes up the ideal of making the world a better place - as happened in all the major Christian churches of The West - then it is adopting exactly this Boromir Strategy - which can only end by making the world a worse place.


So, real Christians cannot allow themselves to desire to "make the world a better place". And Christians should eschew such rhetoric.

Indeed, what "the world" and "better" ought to mean, is precisely the major point at issue between God and Satan.

The world is a calculatedly evil loaded-abstraction, and better is a weasel word.


If asked: "Don't you want to make the world a better place?" The proper response is No! Not what you mean by the world and not what you mean by better.

I want, instead, to live in accordance with God's purposes and methods. Which are (very briefly) To love God (first) and my "neighbour"- i.e. actual individual persons; and to follow Jesus Christ.

What happens to "the world" in some vast and overall sense, and the evaluation of what is best for it; is not my business, nor am I capable of bettering such vague abstractions:


"The world" is God's concern.

I may resist those who are trying to destroy The World - i.e. God's creation; but not by having my own alternative ideals of making a "better" world.

[East Sun]

imo, SAVE the world sounds ridiculous.

Nuclear bombs, as in outright war could, destroy our world. I think, that's what ET's are concerned about, and rightfully so.

[thepainterdoug]

good observations all, and I understand my gripe may seem a bit harsh. To be clear, all I mean is we should be clear we mean, save ourselves. Humans. Our species, and animals, our friends while we are at it.

but the earth will keep doing whats its been doing in the manner I described above regardless of us.

Climate change is used via cherry picking when useful. Some will say there is no climate change, its a hoax, but then say the ET,s are trying to help us save the planet with alt energy cause were destroying the planet.

maybe the earth is like a playpen for children.
i did a painting of that once called The Playpen, oil on canvas 50x50

[Bruce G Charlton]

"Some will say there is no climate change, its a hoax"

What is a hoax is first the claim to be able to predict earth's climate: because nobody has ever made exact and timed predictions and then waited to observe whether they are confirmed.

Second; nobody knows, with any precision, how the climate is generated - beyond that the sun is surely the primary driver. But then, the sun is left out by 'climate change' people; and nobody can predict the sun with any exactness (beyond the long-established 11 year sun-spot cycles). For instance, the current solar cycles has broken - by a large margin - the predictions of solar activity specialists.

That is enough - but there is more!

The hypothesis that anthropogenic CO2 levels are the primary driver is clearly refuted on multiple grounds - were it not that the hypothesis keeps being protected by ad hoc auxiliary complexities.

The hypothesis that have a small time-window (typically five years) during which anthropogenic CO2 "warming" can be reversed, has been articulated repeatedly for over 30 years by now. This ought to mean that it is by now too late to prevent CO2 warming, and the trillions of dollars being spent ought to be redirected to dealing with the inevitable warming... yet somehow that is not what is happening.

The 'measures' taken to affect CO2 are nonsense - and often make the (imaginary) problem of CO2 production worse (eg electric cars).

In other words; this is a hoax at so many levels and or such a large scale - and the Climate Change provenance alone (i.e. the Great Reset multi-billionaire financier gang) is so obviously evil - that there ought not be any need to discuss it before decisive rejection.

And yet - here we are...

Against all this, the apparent inconsistency of some ET-oligists makes no difference either way...

[lake]

Nuclear bombs, as in outright war could, destroy our world.

Nukes ... Well they may remove us and most 'life' here in this place (dependant on what exactly this 'place' is?) .... But then Sol could do it much better in less time and the frequency or orbit could turn the place into a 'snowball' once again (which if this is a planet ... will happen again).
So many things "could" happen .... This place which we call ours, is not ours .... it is a structure in which we are given "physical life".

If the 'world' ends ... It only ends currently .... No biggie .... I feel more for all the plants and animals which have had to endure, not just humans and mankind but also NATURE <<<< which has removed from this realm vastly more beings than anything 'we' may dare to consider!

Humans are a 'blips' worth in time (time being only a 'thing' here anyway) :bigsmile:

Narrative .... an interaction.



but the earth will keep doing whats its been doing ...


The Earth will mate .... Mainly 'snowball' (in which the Earth kills most all things .... humans just consider 'their' time as the important bit <<<< which it is not lol)



... maybe the earth is like a playpen for children.
i did a painting of that once called The Playpen, oil on canvas 50x50

I know that I have a 'Teacher/Parent' which is not of this limited Hell .... They watch and "care" for me (tough love) .... They want me to 'become' .... To be 'REAL'

I hope I can/have lead a 'life' which

I actually can't finish the above sentence!
Maybe one day I will be able to?

Great painting mate .... type of creativity I really enjoy :heart:

[shaberon]

Well, I think it is terrible, from watching Davos speeches and stuff...the problem is, to enforce my ideas of "saving", I would then have to hire a Fascist army to go dictate it to someone around the globe that I have never met. So that would be horrible.

How about just "stop the insanity"?

I may not know how to "save" anything, but, I am pretty sure the environmental contamination we produce is horrid, and it is all cost-cutting, truly disgusting to see the Pacific Ocean turned into a massive piece of plastic ingested by everything with a mouth.

Again, I am at a borderline of reverting to Atavism, or like the Amish, or what I like to call the unreformed neo-Luddite. My guess is that the future of "green energy" is a horse who munches on grass, nothing to do with technology, I will just say that batteries and robots sound like a waste of time, not a sustainable answer to anything. Yet we are in an era of "drone wars". Who wants a future of surveillance cameras and weapons going around in ever-smaller units the size of flies? I would say that if humanity can do that, it simply needs to be stopped.

If the office of President allows a man to drone bomb weddings across the globe, it needs to be stopped.

If humanity extinguishes itself, then, perhaps, the planet is saved.

Again, if someone would like to write up any actual difference between human beings and livestock, we're all ears. We are both branded and driven in meaningless circles until we die. A human is superior to a cow? When did that cow choke off the Pacific Ocean or bomb a wedding??

Green Nazism is horrid, not meaning that Black Nazism is any better, and I think it is all the West and is just going to crash, and then you will wish you had a horse and cow.