What is the general consensus of what we can all agree on?

[Jay82]

So, I am curious about what we can all agree on about what s really going on on our planet. I am sure we can all agree that our world has been hijacked by very greedy people who want to enslave us aka the new world order. But what else is obvious?

Sorry if my post seems a little uneducated but I stopped going down the rabbit hole for a few years now trying to figure it out all. After spending years sifting through all the different disinformation in the past I kind of gave up on it. So, I am not up to date with it as much as I would like to be.

But what is going on? I guess I am asking the people who spend a lot of time in the alternative media researching this stuff. What else is going on that is obvious and we can all agree on? Like is the planet truly moving from 3rd density to 5th density? Are we going to really have a new age of peace like they say?

I lean toward this belief myself because it works for me, I can’t prove it, but through my research as limited as that may be, I have come to that conclusion. There is still a little doubt in mind because I never can say for sure though.

It gives me peace. I am now content just to live my life being the best person I can possibly be by being myself and treating others how I would like to be treated. Kind of cliché and corny a bit eh haha but it works for me. I keep it simple. Whatever happens in the world in the future I am at peace with also.

But for you guys, I think I am asking what kind of conclusions have you come too? I know this is a very broad question and that s why this forum is here to discuss it all but I am asking how deep does the rabbit hole really go?

I am curious to hear if you guys can sum it up all in a few words although that may be difficult and I am asking a lot maybe but If you’re willing to share, thanks

[Heart to heart]

There are two choices to be had.

Follow the MSM, WEF, etc. into a negative spiral OF FEAR

OR

Listen to your HEART and resonate with the upward spiral of LOVE.

Put on your armour of LIGHT, get your head above the parapet and enjoy LIFE being human.

[wondering]

Heart to heart, So well said. Truth in a few words - thank you! 😍

[RunningDeer]

I am asking what kind of conclusions have you come too? I know this is a very broad question and that s why this forum is here to discuss it all but I am asking how deep does the rabbit hole really go?

I am curious to hear if you guys can sum it up all in a few words although that may be difficult and I am asking a lot maybe but If you’re willing to share, thanks



Hi Jay82, http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/wave-hi.gif

It doesn’t matter how deep the rabbit hole goes. That’s where “the-it” wants everyone rather than experiencing inward expression of heart, and the reconnection with the eternal cells within that are Source-filled and co-creating with all Life.

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[wondering]

Another very short expression that reminds me of my continual choices..."Love or Fear". 😍 Just an echo of Heart to heart's post.

[norman]

I am asking what kind of conclusions have you come too? I know this is a very broad question and that s why this forum is here to discuss it all but I am asking how deep does the rabbit hole really go?

I am curious to hear if you guys can sum it up all in a few words although that may be difficult and I am asking a lot maybe but If you’re willing to share, thanks



Hi Jay82, http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/wave-hi.gif

It doesn’t matter how deep the rabbit hole goes. That’s where “the-it” wants everyone rather than experiencing inward expression of heart, and the reconnection with the eternal cells within that are Source-filled and co-creating with all Life.

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http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/Notices/dont-feed-beast.jpg


Yea, no more free rabbit hole shovels at the door.

On my own, I can only imagine a consensus.

I don't see a complete consensus yet but looking at trends and estimating scales of those trends, I'll guess the dominant consensus at this point is 'hide under a proverbial duvet and hope pray and wait for the wolf to stop scratching at the door and go away'.

It would take us all getting out of ourselves and building it, from the ground up, for a truly manifested consensus that leaps out of our imaginations into the real world around us. But ain't that always been so.

Who said you can't put the genie back in the bottle ?

The genie did.

[ExomatrixTV]

Is it possible that all active Avalonians (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/memberlist.php?order=desc&sort=posts&pp=999) can agree that: unhealthy Love of money (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_of_money) is the root of many problems in our society, often related to:

01. Greed based upon (unfounded) Fears.
02. Greed based upon (unhealthy) Addictions.
03. Greed based upon Narcissism.
04. Greed based upon Tunnel Vision Perceptions of Reality.
05. Being greedy because of selfish egotistical reasons.


How many in the world are like that? ... How would the world be without that kind of behavior?

... and remember, we all "vote" with our money (almost) every day!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[wondering]

Norman, I might be offended by your "proverbial duvet", still deciding. If that means that one who chooses to be in a place of faith and trust, while doing all in one's power to combat ignorance and fear, is taking the easy way of inaction, then I am indeed offended.
Explain yourself, please. Is that what you mean? If so, you underestimate the power that is manifest in that stance.

[RunningDeer]

Yea, no more free rabbit hole shovels at the door.

On my own, I can only imagine a consensus.

I don't see a complete consensus yet but looking at trends and estimating scales of those trends, I'll guess the dominant consensus at this point is 'hide under a proverbial duvet and hope pray and wait for the wolf to stop scratching at the door and go away'.

It would take us all getting out of ourselves and building it, from the ground up, for a truly manifested consensus that leaps out of our imaginations into the real world around us. But ain't that always been so.

Who said you can't put the genie back in the bottle ?

The genie did.



RE: rabbit holes. These are my thoughts and feelings, and where I put my focus as best as I can throughout each day.




We’re living a 3D experience when really it’s time to understand things in a multidimensional way. More parts of ourselves are coming on-line for us to consider, and do more than what our DNA was programed against us to do. Those locked-up energies are now short circuiting and we’re stretching beyond.

It is up to each of us to shake off the slumber and the antiquated remnants of technologies that’ve kept us plugged, implanted and programmed to their dark-light systems. It’s lights out for evil nasties.


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[Mari]

It gives me peace. I am now content just to live my life being the best person I can possibly be by being myself and treating others how I would like to be treated. Kind of cliché and corny a bit eh haha but it works for me. I keep it simple. Whatever happens in the world in the future I am at peace with also.



You already have it in the bag, you instinctively know how to Be. That's the way. Would that we could all be like this :)

[Samson]

After 911, 22 years ago i instantly knew about the years of preparation it would take to get that done. And how close to impossible it is to get buildings like that to free fall in their own footprint. I stopped working that day for money and learned to live without it. Everybody knows, is a Cohen song and sums it up... the consensus.
Im in my 50s and its close to impossible to surprise me with facts. But only recently i realised that my best friend; my greatgrandmother has personally known a guy that fought in Napoleons army in 1812. She died when i was 14 years old, and that famous soldier died when she was 14 in the year 1899.
Everybody knows the good guys lost.

Nobody knows how infinite you can grow. There is no end and there was no start, in our dimensions. Historically our days are known to be lowest in spiritual awareness.consensus.
Namaste

[Matthew]

I haven't come to add anything useful except to echo appreciation for the suggestions of love vs fear. Truth vs lies still works best with love and no fear. But thinking about it we are actually already united on an explicitly declared quest for truth.

[Ernie Nemeth]

If we assume a consensus is to be had in our little group, which I don't think would be possible except in general terms, I can think of only one person who could actually make use of us.

Wade Frazier.

[Ewan]

After 911, 22 years ago i instantly knew about the years of preparation it would take to get that done. And how close to impossible it is to get buildings like that to free fall in their own footprint. I stopped working that day for money and learned to live without it. Everybody knows, is a Cohen song and sums it up... the consensus.
Im in my 50s and its close to impossible to surprise me with facts. But only recently i realised that my best friend; my greatgrandmother has personally known a guy that fought in Napoleons army in 1812. She died when i was 14 years old, and that famous soldier died when she was 14 in the year 1899.
Everybody knows the good guys lost.

Nobody knows how infinite you can grow. There is no end and there was no start, in our dimensions. Historically our days are known to be lowest in spiritual awareness.consensus.
Namaste

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Just to draw (more) attention to this post.

[Michel Leclerc]

That there is nothing we can all agree on.

[O Donna]

Another very short expression that reminds me of my continual choices..."Love or Fear". 😍 Just an echo of Heart to heart's post.

Bill Hicks has entered the room:


It's only a choice. No effort. No worry. No job. No savings and money. Just a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one.

[RunningDeer]

Another very short expression that reminds me of my continual choices..."Love or Fear". 😍 Just an echo of Heart to heart's post.

Bill Hicks has entered the room:


It's only a choice. No effort. No worry. No job. No savings and money. Just a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one.


Bill Hicks - It's Just A Ride (2 min)
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[seehas]

Imagin chosing a planet for your next incarnation where you are born with amnesia?

do you think you are able to reconnect to your higher self or will you get lost there? sounds interesting?

Sign Up Here for the "Earth" Diploma ! and incarnate right now!

Lets face it we all fall for that incarnation advert because it sounded way more easy than it actualy is, but hej at leat we made it to the PA forum to talk about it YES!

[ExomatrixTV]

That there is nothing we can all agree on.


... not even agreeing on that: "water is wet"? :bathbaby:

[ExomatrixTV]

As long as Evil knows that the vast majority still wants to do good for the sake of feeling good about it ... that fact alone is why they use multiple tactics to abuse good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367), to be fooled manipulating the perception of what: "good suppose to be about".

Even if "evil wins" at any point of time >>> there will ALWAYS be a majority of Souls that want to do good and feel good about it ... This FACT is inevitable, and they know it ... that is why they need to hijack/infiltrate so many good causes and corrupt it for their own schemes & agendas ... But at the end they know they always need to lie & deceive towards good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367) and behave like pathetic parasites.


So in essence it is always good to realize that Good will NEVER DIE, never "disappear" ... even the most evil person on Earth has to admit they heavily depend on good (creative) people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367) <<< without them, they are even more pathetic.

Any so-called "victory" for evil is always destined to be a temporary thing ... they can not change the urge of the majority wanting to do good and feel good about it ... It is too powerful ... it is beyond being a lame parasite.

I wonder if I how many disagree with my above short assessment of "Evil vs Good People!"

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Bill Ryan]

What might be more interesting (and easier to andwer!) is what the community does NOT have a consensus on.

Consensus really means no dissent or disagreement. When making decisions as a group, consensus means there's no objection. It's not a 'majority decision' kind of thing.

So here's at least a partial list of what Avalon members might NOT all agree on. (The issues are sometimes obscured when some members no longer visit or post on threads which they disagree about. And sometimes members quietly leave, e.g. feeling strongly about hot topics like Trump, Russia, and the vaxx. This is one reason why the number of active members has gradually fallen, precisely because of these disagreements.)


Global warming. (For instance, Wade Frazier considers that this is an undisputable fact.)
Whether the moon landing videos and photos were faked. (For instance, Wade Frazier, as above.)
Some members consider that the US never went to the moon at all, while others disagree.
Whether the megafauna were hunted to extinction 12,500 years ago. (Wade Frazier, as above.)
Many issues concerning China.
Many issues concerning the claimed reality of US continuation of government, maybe with Trump still being the legal Commander-in-Chief.
There are still some Russophobes (and/or those opposed to the Russian SMO), though they're now increasingly inactive.
I think there are many esoteric or spiritual issues where they may be disagreement, though those are usually less strongly felt.
The degree to which we should or shouldn't be focused on 'bad news', or on a possible non-optimum future for humanity.
Whether or not Kim Goguen is legitimate.
Some of the less-well-known Secret Space Program whistleblowers. (And also David Grush)
The uses of ChatGPT. (possibly!)
Gun control. (possibly)
Hunting for sport.
The ethics and practicality of veganism.
Some aspects of Biblical and Christian theology and history.
The 'Flat Earth'. (Yes, really. We have at least one member who still believes the earth is 'under a dome'. We'll not embarrass this person here, but you could search for 'dome' in posts and maybe find it.)
Whether global depopulation (gradual or otherwise) is a good or bad thing.
We did have some disagreement about migration and immigration issues, but I do think there's a broad consensus now.

This is surely an incomplete list. :) I've just noted what seemed to come to mind right now.

[Harmony]

Because generally people have had different experiences and been exposed to different incoming information that forms our perspective on reality, it is only natural we will see things through our own ever changing lens.


Some of the important things I have realised is even though people are different in many ways, we are all inter-related and everything is integrated. When that has been a realisation it is hard to look at anything, from the smallest everyday thing, to events, the way we treat our planet and each other no matter what country or culture we come from, our alignment in what actions we take are important and something that is in our control. What we do and say has consequences and balance in all ways, which requires care and deep awareness.


Right now it seems we are hit with a barrage of energies that seem so out of alignment to many and our response and reactions are important, but leave us often with a feeling that it is all too big, terrible and dark to deal with. For me, sometimes all I can do is concentrate on what really matters to me, my true direction, which is peace and love and caring in everything I am doing with a presence or reverence within the heart and know that I will know what to do when the time comes for action in that moment.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... yeah! We can all agree that we can disagree! Now, that's a bottom-barrel start!

[scotslad]

For me, having been "screwed, blued and tattooed" many times over the decades (and had a few successes and lighter moments too). more often than not, life is happening for us and not us including the many challenges and people we encounter on this often complex and multifaceted journey, experienced each in our in diverse ways.

A good consensus is that it's continuous, not static. It's characterised by growth, change, and development. It encompasses various stages, experiences, and opportunities for personal evolution.

For me, we experience, we learn (and if we apply the learning), we evolve. and many try to stick their oar and influence in to try and shape our decisions (and outcomes).

For me, Life is subjective. Each person's experience is unique, shaped by perspectives, values, beliefs, and circumstances.
Respecting this subjectivity fosters empathy and understanding. Something that many in authority simply do not do.

For me, and I suspect like many on PA, life is precious, valuable, and deserving of respect as are each and every member in here.

It's finite, urging us to cherish our lives and value others' and to align our head, heart and gut and play a straight game.

Life comprises both joys and challenges. It mixes positive and negative experiences—happiness, love, success, fulfillment, difficulties, hardships, setbacks. Embracing ups and downs cultivates resilience and adaptability.

And my consensus is we create and experience what we think and create with the right intention, but many try and force (or enforce) their negative intentions on us. Don't let them. We are free to do what we choose.

Life requires purpose and meaning. Many seek it through relationships, career, creativity, spirituality, or contributing to others' well-being. Purpose guides and enhances satisfaction and then theres those who love to keep others in misery.

separation not only keeps us apart as a species, but also our internal connection to "unity".

We are more than all the distractions and misinformation being perpetrated upon us.

Unlike, any other college or university education, the school where you learn first then you're tested...
...the school of life is the only place where you are tested first then you learn.

Reminds of the 10 rules of being human:

The "10 Rules for Being Human" is a popular list that has been shared widely and attributed to various sources. While the exact origin is uncertain, these rules provide insightful guidance for navigating life. Here they are, presented in a combination of long and short sentences:

1. You will receive a body: You are given a physical form to experience the world.

2. You will learn lessons: Life is a constant journey of growth and learning.

3. There are no mistakes, only lessons: Embrace the idea that failures and setbacks are opportunities for growth.

4. A lesson is repeated until learned: Life will present you with similar challenges until you grasp their underlying teachings.

5. Learning does not end: The process of learning continues throughout your entire life.

6. "There" is no better than "here": Embrace the present moment and find contentment in your current circumstances.

7. Others are merely mirrors of you: People you encounter reflect aspects of yourself, offering opportunities for self-reflection and growth.

8. What you make of your life is up to you: Take responsibility for your choices and actions, as they shape your life's path.

9. Your answers lie within you: Trust your intuition and inner wisdom to guide you.

10. You will forget all of this at birth: As you enter this world, you may forget these rules, but they can be rediscovered throughout your life.

For each and every one of us, our time is now, thats why we're here and chose to be here at this time - to make a difference in our own unique way. ;)

[Ernie Nemeth]

That is the question, right? Can we agree, have consensus, on a wide range of topics?

What I was pointing out was that even if we did, so what? Science has a broad consensus, and yet the consensus is incorrect, I think most of us would agree with that - especially in the health field. What's the use of consensus if the consensus is wrong?

But if the consensus is correct it has to have value. How could that value be best utilized?
Wade says that if he could find these needles in a haystack that is this hypothetical consensus, then he could use it to bring zero-point energy to market and into every home.

It makes me wonder why Wade is so insistent on his consensus. But what I decided is that the details don't matter so much - they can unravel themselves later.

We could maybe arrive at a limited consensus on topics that are relevant and necessary and timely.


A list might start with:

1) our modern world is at a serious crisis point
2) our industries and technologies have almost exceeded the capacity of our energy systems
3) future tech will require more energy than is available
4) there are advanced energy and propulsion systems already developed but sequestered from the public
5) it seems likely that plasma plays a key role in galaxy formation
6) as a result of 5), it seems likely that the earth goes through a catastrophic disaster caused by the sun every six thousand years or so, some more violent than others (thus the 6,000 year old written history of the current era)
7) it seems likely that there have been numerous highly advanced human civilizations on this planet stretching back possibly millions of years
8) we cannot really understand the epochal change upon us, but it will change everything

I'm sure others could come up with better lists or add to this one.

[shaberon]

Multipolarity.

Look into that thread and the psychosis of "the collective West".

/agree that 911 produced mass insanity pretty much immediately. Also Wade Frazier is a good rally point for the forum.

For the posts about disruption to one's heart nature, yes, I think that is about the same as identifying the West. I am not quite sure this is at a "consensus" point, yet, but I would say it is going to have to be. "We" are already obsolete (https://sputnikglobe.com/20230616/western-leaders-who-backed-kiev-predicted-russias-collapse-dont-know-any-history-1111228921.html):


“The situation today is that the multipolarity is consolidated and it is progressively structuring its own institutional framework. Realistically, multipolarity is a fact and those who benefit from it have no intention of abandoning it. Therefore, Putin’s sentence that ‘the neocolonial international system is irreversibly finished’ is just an empirical statement. It is a realist not an ideological statement," Raffone said.


So, I would say, the necessary consensus would be in understanding how "we" broke away from it, and how do we even get a place at the table again.

[Casey Claar]

What I was pointing out was that even if we did, so what? Science has a broad consensus, and yet the consensus is incorrect, I think most of us would agree with that - especially in the health field. What's the use of consensus if the consensus is wrong?

It is a good question.

My take is that consensus is not about being right or wrong ( in truth nothing is ) >> it is about agreeing to collectively experience something and learning from that.

Not confusing the reality ( the oneness of all things ) for the drama ( duality ) is critical to gleaning this.

What else might be focused upon if letting go 'right' and 'wrong'?

The honoring of each and every one's service to the whole?

Genuine understanding?

What a beautiful world it would be.

[onawah]

I think one thing that we can probably all agree on is that the forum should not be a platform for any kind of criminal activity or for glorifying scammers such as David Wilcock, Corey Goode, Simon Parkes, and (dare I say it? ) Kim Goguen.
Or for the forum to be used to present such scammers as legitimate whistleblowers and credible sources of information.

Whether or not other members are interested in this issue in general, I think most would have to agree that if it were discovered that simply being a paying subscriber to the news outlet that Goguen and her cohorts are selling (not to mention selling subscriptions to that outlet) are criminal acts, and that people are being arrested, fined and jailed for doing so.

Therefore, that such activity should be curtailed on Avalon if only for the safety and welfare of those members who are participating, who may as yet be unaware of the danger they are putting themselves in.
(All considerations aside regarding Avalon's reputation as a credible source of information, but which consideration should also be paramount, imho.)

But the facts indicate that those members who are posting regularly on this thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies&highlight=kim+goguen
...if they are paid subscribers to the news outlet (or selling those subscriptions) that is regularly being posted there, may be in danger of arrest and/or fines.

Because the standard fees charged for republishing articles and videos from various other sources are not being paid for by that outlet, and that is what makes their service illegal by standard copyright laws.

Proof of this can be seen in the report posted here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1562612&viewfull=1#post1562612
...And much else on that thread about why Kim Goguen and her cohorts are prime disinformation agents, a view which Bill Ryan also holds.
(And pretty much anyone with a lick of sense, imho, which can be clearly proven by watching more of the videos and comments posted on the "Who is Kim Goguen?" thread).

Even if Goguen and her cohorts were not openly engaging in criminal activities (the news outlet is only one of many scams she has been part of), I think most members will agree that false claims, such as those that Kim Goguen makes on a regular basis, should not be presented on the forum as being credible or factual.

[PlasmaVortex]

The central bank system; absolutely, positively has to go otherwise we are doomed. that is however unless someone invents a home made ion propulsion drive and we can travel 10 digits in 10 minutes(faster than you think).

[ExomatrixTV]

...

... yeah! We can all agree that we can disagree! Now, that's a bottom-barrel start!


Even if you wholeheartedly disagree with the generalizing statement:


"all agree that we (can) disagree"

You still are part of the same circular logical feedback loop ;) lol

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[ExomatrixTV]

A well known, often used quote:


"For evil to triumph is for good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367) doing nothing"

I would add:


"For evil to triumph is for good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367) believing the lies of the propaganda talking-points (tunnel vision narratives) and help attack/demonize any critical thinking" and calling it: "hate speech or fake news" using totally corrupt "fact checkers" sites often funded directly or indirectly by psychopathic control freaks like Bill Gates (http://tinyurl.com/BillGatesTyranny) and/or George Soros.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Delight]

A well known, often used quote:


"For evil to triumph is for good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367) doing nothing"

I would add:


"For evil to triumph is for good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367) believing the lies of the propaganda talking-points (tunnel vision narratives) and help attack/demonize any critical thinking" and calling it: "hate speech or fake news" using totally corrupt "fact checkers" sites often funded directly or indirectly by psychopathic control freaks like Bill Gates (http://tinyurl.com/BillGatesTyranny) and/or George Soros.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

It begins to look like something very very STRANGE: bizarre, weird, odd, funny, peculiar, curious, erratic, remarkable about perception of reality is happening. Matt says that it's a download which has people in thrall perhaps? He has a Metaphor that is hilarious and seems to be. There is a Ship of fools and we have all been on it at some point. Those on it just cannot perceive "reality" (or aspects of reality) and apply critical thinking. Some of us jumped ship and swam to the Shore, the rest are staying on the Ship. The Ship of Fools has sailed and NOW (in a new Strange way) ON the Ship of Fools myriads of smaller ships are floating in the swimming pool. They cannot even see the other ships POV. ALL having a separate POV and arguing vehemently as they float in the swimming pool of the Ship of Fools. Some sort of download perhaps (beamed form somewhere?) does not allow the people to come together even as they float away lost to us who stand on shore.
There is a major TRICK playing on the human mind.

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[Delight]

There are a gazillion stories being told and a gazillion POV. To me we wanted to be here with one another connecting with Love and our hearts were broken. We spun every story around heartbreak. IMO the collective dream we created in mental astral thought form stuff is from the trauma. What we imagine matters however so we need to IMAGINE we may LOVE the world and one another, not needing to agree, just flow the energy of love. The heart opening unfolds from there. IMO connecting with the heart again heals the STORY.

For some reason, I feel amazingly happy the last few days because we don't have to wait for everyone else. If we move out of minds to the heart to connect with God (by any name called) as a HIGHER POWER and if we with freewill acknowledge GOD as a working partner, our lives become so unbelievably good. When you meet one another in the common feeling of being connected to Divine unfolding you say:


I have been wrong, I have been right
I have been both these things all in the same night
So if I be wrong, if I be right
Let me be here, with you, tonight


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[shaberon]

I think one thing that we can probably all agree on is that the forum should not be a platform for any kind of criminal activity or for glorifying scammers such as David Wilcock, Corey Goode, Simon Parkes, and (dare I say it? ) Kim Goguen.
Or for the forum to be used to present such scammers as legitimate whistleblowers and credible sources of information.


Freedom of speech never covers any kind of criminality.

I am entitled to a nasty, vile opinion which in a legal sense can be used to insult anyone, which, understandably, in any private venue such as Avalon forum, the person in charge has the right to ban it on their own.

I strongly agree with the "credibility" issue and then who is left. It would be nothing from Coast to Coast. All I have gotten from these people is different ways of identifying misinformation. I think that is what the "alternative press" is--what is wrong with this picture 101.

Eventually I quit paying attention to any of that, none of it is coming from me.

Usually if I poke holes in something on the forum, it's not taken very well.

If I disagree with something "you" say, it's not name-calling or a personal judgment, it is a publicly-viewable way of trying to get through something. One thing I do not think I have ever seen here, is some type of logical argument, where one party discards their inferior views and accepts what was told them. I have seen several "interesting, never heard of this", but nothing really along the lines of a resolved debate.

[onawah]

I don't think that the real point of my post was understood.
It's the actual CRIMINAL aspect of what is being shared that is the real concern I am sharing about this thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...ght=kim+goguen
...Not any "controversial" material that may be shared there or elsewhere on the forum, though I do think that once someone has been clearly demonstrated to be a disinformation agent (or worse), that a line should be drawn, particularly if it continues, or just gets worse (which is so often the case).

But that is still not the issue I am pointing out here.
It's the fact that Kim Goguen and her cohorts are selling subscriptions to their news outlet which is not operating legally
In other words, they are featuring videos and info from other sources on their outlet that they have not paid for and therefore not received permission to share, which is in clear violation of common trademark laws.
Anyone republishing that news outlet as on a forum like this one, is also participating in criminal activity, and moreso if they are also selling those subscriptions to others as well.
The video here outlines those particulars in some detail: 85Pf-iLiK14
And no doubt we will be hearing more on the subject from that source.

That video is also posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1562612&viewfull=1#post1562612
And I have posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120756-WHO-is-Kim-Goguen&p=1562771&viewfull=1#post1562771
...an invitation to Avalonians to discuss and comment on that issue.

(Though I have also requested that those members who are posting on the "pro-Goguen" thread to refrain from posting on the "Who is Kim Goguen?" thread, so as to
avoid the discussion descending into combative futility, and I hold to that request.)



I think one thing that we can probably all agree on is that the forum should not be a platform for any kind of criminal activity or for glorifying scammers such as David Wilcock, Corey Goode, Simon Parkes, and (dare I say it? ) Kim Goguen.
Or for the forum to be used to present such scammers as legitimate whistleblowers and credible sources of information.


Freedom of speech never covers any kind of criminality.

I am entitled to a nasty, vile opinion which in a legal sense can be used to insult anyone, which, understandably, in any private venue such as Avalon forum, the person in charge has the right to ban it on their own.

I strongly agree with the "credibility" issue and then who is left. It would be nothing from Coast to Coast. All I have gotten from these people is different ways of identifying misinformation. I think that is what the "alternative press" is--what is wrong with this picture 101.

Eventually I quit paying attention to any of that, none of it is coming from me.

Usually if I poke holes in something on the forum, it's not taken very well.

If I disagree with something "you" say, it's not name-calling or a personal judgment, it is a publicly-viewable way of trying to get through something. One thing I do not think I have ever seen here, is some type of logical argument, where one party discards their inferior views and accepts what was told them. I have seen several "interesting, never heard of this", but nothing really along the lines of a resolved debate.

[shaberon]

It's the fact that Kim Goguen and her cohorts are selling subscriptions to their news outlet which is not operating legally


Bump, so to speak. The original first sentence said "any kind" of criminal activity. The meaning is that this is current, and, a blatant rip-off so to speak. Other kinds are a descending order of objectionable.

I would agree with that and just like there is a "Hoaxes" thread which is like a dumping ground for junk which is obviously wrong, there could be one on "Phishing" or plagiarism or whatever this is, and you could have a sort of mod-warning thing if anyone posted these sites, and then the thread would be tracking the culprits. If what you say is true enough to convince a moderator, then that type of a thread would easily mark it off and make it known to the rest of us. I had no idea what it was about.

"First to copy something that does not have to be true".

[Blastolabs]

Q: What is the general consensus of what we can all agree on?
A: If you are reading this, then that means that you are alive!

[ExomatrixTV]

Freedom of Speech can be like shining a bright light on matters that often happens in the dark ... but when part of the dark hijacks part of the light (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367), there will always be a brighter light noticing different "shades of gray" the moment Free Speech can work its thing out ... and it is up to all of us to practice & develop real discernment-skills which can never be spoon-fed by any so-called "authority" on anything ... being responsible for your own quality of thinking seems more rare nowadays.


In my view, to prevent you to practice these skills (via censoring part of Free Speech) will only weaken your abilities to deal with reality much more efficiently.



Nobody wants to be like a snowflake jellyfish type of personality >>> unless you really have psychological issues, right?

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[East Sun]

WW 111 may be on our doorstep. If it can be held off until TRUMP is elected, he is the best person to talk with PUTIN and come to an agreement.

Why even refer to the B**** administration when most of us know that it most certainly is run by internal and external entities skulking in the shadows
and putting the world at risk.

They fear TRUMP because of what he can and will do to stop them. Thats why they will do everything in their power to stop him.

Support trump because he is our only hope IMO.

I hope that most people can see what is at stake here.

[shaberon]

Q: What is the general consensus of what we can all agree on?
A: If you are reading this, then that means that you are alive!



Not making this up.

One time I saw Martin Ain from Celtic Frost interact with the audience.


Martin Ain: Are you dead?

Audience: Yeeeaaahhhh!!!

Martin Ain: Eh...um...you're not dead, you're alive.


Only guy I have seen play left-handed and then switch to right just for looks. Seems that some people may be needing a little help with this particular topic.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Oh, I think we can do better than that. And, are we alive? I am not so sure. Real life cannot end in death, so is this life? It's more like a ride than a life. We don't call a roller coaster 'life' while we're riding it. If there is 'life after death', then our viewpoint is myopic at best.

I think that Delight is more onto the core issue: we have had our hearts broken. We do not understand how we can be love itself. Or that love is all there is: every statement, every action, every thought is always either of love or a call for love.

From the above comes all our dysfunction and results in the world we see...and its problems.

[lake]

I would like to "hold the thought" that we all can agree with this blokes short rant .... or atleast with why he is having a rant!

Some swearing and partial nudity in an image .... but if you are concerned about that at this point and not the reason for the swearing .... well I just don't know!

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