Out of Body Experience : Inducing the Altered State

[Casey Claar]

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A compilation of ideas and guided journey into the out of body experience. Inducing and optimizing ( your awareness of ) the altered state - and how to make it back into physical space with your explorations intact. **For beginning and advanced practitioners alike. I hope many of you will find something in here helpful to where you are in your journey.

00:00 Into the Void
00:24 A lesson on visual environments; differentiation
00:57 How to have your first OBE ( close your eyes! )
05:00 Stimulating the visuals
05:41 Gazing, candle flame gazing
09:12 Sensory deprivation, palming the eyes
10:58 Sensory deprivation, mindfold mask
12:12 Inversions, head standing
13:14 The breath is the most powerful tool you have
14:29 The floating breath, entering an altered state
19:36 Altering the brainwaves, shifting the patterns
21:01 Reality and dream, creating a level playing field
28:11 Making it back with the data; ( recall )
28:37 Patterns, repeating patterns, creating patterns of awareness
29:44 Data that comes through the top, middle and bottom of the night; repeating patterns
30:46 Sleep hygiene, dream practices
31:59 Wake-back-to-bed, sleep pattern interruption
34:55 Grouping with others of like mind
35:57 Daily logs; an important message
37:17 Becoming apt to hold data purely in your being
38:02 Foods and consciousness, the dream diet
41:54 Exploring your boundaries, expanding your comfort level
43:05 More intelligent observation, the result of vacating cozy zones
44:08 Daily engagement, commitment and fierce focus
45:55 Opening the data flow

[seehas]

Robert Monroe released a Set of CDs so called "Hemi Sync" these are the perfect introduction when it comes to induce a OBE, since i own the first set of 6 CDs would it be possible to upload these into the avalon library or would this be a copywright issue?

[Helvetic]

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[Casey Claar]

Love Tom, and in principle agree fully with his sentiment as expressed in the 1 minute video clip, however.......what a thing is in itself, and what the EXPERIENCE of it is are most often two very different things. Most people who experience what we colloquially call an OBE, notably in the beginning will perceive it as a coming up out of the body. The process of having OBEs over an extended period of ( what we colloquially call ) time one begins to learn what "body" really is. Spoiler alert, it, too, is consciousness. — consciousness is all there is. < — even illusion ITself is composed of this.

[seehas]

Robert Monroe released a Set of CDs so called "Hemi Sync" these are the perfect introduction when it comes to induce a OBE, since i own the first set of 6 CDs would it be possible to upload these into the avalon library or would this be a copywright issue?

Here it is enjoy all, the size is quite big because its FLAC-HighRes Audio Format (CD-Quality) the quality is important and headphones are mandatory:
Hemi-Sync - The Gateway Experience - Part1 (https://sendgb.com/BLPiMldkNpV)
Hemi-Sync - The Gateway Experience - Part2 (https://sendgb.com/wQnLcBUDI2l)

Edit: you need to download both files and extract both of them together

[Casey Claar]

Thank you, Seehas Do you meditate? access additional states of consciousness? ( ie: go out of body ).

[seehas]

Thank you, Seehas Do you meditate? access additional states of consciousness? ( ie: go out of body ).

Yes i do, but just coming back to it did it more like *edit* just noted its more like 20 years ago, and when i was a kid it was pretty normal for me the go there and im planing to do some visits soon :)

[Helvetic]

A piece of gold for those interested in Consciousness Research, Out of Body Experiences and Afterlife. Highly recommended.

Tom Campbell | Out of Body Experiences, Afterlife & The Larger Consciousness System (LCS)

Source: my-big-toe.com (http://my-big-toe.com), dearlifepodcast.com (http://dearlifepodcast.com)

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Today’s guest is Tom Campbell. Tom is a Physicist and Consciousness Researcher that began researching altered states of consciousness with Bob Monroe in the early 1970s where he and a few others were instrumental in getting Monroe’s laboratory for the study of consciousness up and running.

He has been experimenting with and writing and speaking about consciousness ever since. There is a stillness about Tom, and deep inner knowing that you will experience when you listen to this conversation. Even though I have spent many years reading about and researching consciousness and time and space, this conversation and Tom’s work has forever shifted and altered the way that I understand and think about these things.

Through this vast and expansive conversation, we dive into Tom’s understanding of consciousness and answer some of the BIG questions like, Why are we here? Where do we go? Where does love fit into all of this? And a whole lot more!

I also want to say that it is OK not to agree with some of Tom’s discoveries and beliefs. In my humble opinion the truth about our existence is a multi layered reality. There are many answers that will construct the one truth. So take from this conversation the parts you need to add to your truth.

“We are here to grow up. We’re here to make good choices, and through the quality of our choices we evolve.” ~ Tom Campbell

Tom shares the work that he did with Bob Monroe in the 1970s, his first out-of-body experience, and how he can now have these experiences at will. Tom is a self-described skeptic and explains how these experiences allowed him to see what is fact and what reality, consciousness, and our purpose here really is.

We talk about what reality actually is, what those synchronicities might mean, and trying to tell you. I share a story that some of you may have heard already about a rubber ducky and how it continues to show up in my life, the life of my loved ones, and even people I’ve worked with.

He explains in great detail what happens when we die and how he knows this to be true, how we remain connected to those that have exited this reality, and how that connection changes as well. This conversation will stay with me in this life. It is truly extraordinary. You may want to listen to it a few times over because it is FULL of big ideas and concepts. -Christina Rasmussen

[seehas]

The CIA declassified all its reseach papers about the "HemiSync - Gateway Experience" (https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf) in 2003.

[Casey Claar]

A piece of gold for those interested in Consciousness Research, Out of Body Experiences and Afterlife. Highly recommended.

Tom Campbell | Out of Body Experiences, Afterlife & The Larger Consciousness System (LCS)

Source: my-big-toe.com (http://my-big-toe.com), dearlifepodcast.com (http://dearlifepodcast.com)



Thank you, Helvetic, do you study and practice states of consciousness yourself? When did you become interested? how long have you been at it? ( do you have a meditation practice? ). What can you tell us about your experience and what you have learned through it? I take it you study Tom's work?

It is not very active anymore, notably since Ted Vollers passed on to larger life, but Tom has a forum board where a wealth of insight is archived : https://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/ : I personally came to him there in 2012 to ask what later became a somewhat famous, or infamous thread on that board, that had to do with my experience of what I call etheric body examinations ( on board extraterrestrial craft ). You might imagine how well that went over on that highly focused board. It became interesting to readers, though, not just due to the intrigue of the question, but because, Tom, who had not spoken on the board for some time, showed up to speak with me.

Through our dialogue, he revealed some things about himself never before revealed—or…..if not never before, not often before, it was certainly not common knowledge. Tom tends to stick to fundamental principles, not often venturing into his discrete experience. He validated the Kundalini phenomena and shared his unique experience with it. As well as experience with extraterrestrials and his choice to cut them off from him.

Tom and I take a different tact when it comes to the body.

He of course keeps to the illusory ( ie: virtual ) nature of the body. While I venture into the idea that it, too, is composed of consciousness—consciousness being all there is from which to compose anything. I go into some of my experience with coming to realize this. Which flew only as well as it did with the given audience. In 2012 I was only 3 years into the process of making the conscious shift out of body, but as I was regularly going out, non-stop at the rate of roughly 4x a week already had hundreds of experiences to draw from. Now—more than a decade after this I have thousands. This said, there remains no resolution to the EBEs ( etheric body examinations ). The intrigue continues.

Interestingly, the thread on this subject on the MBT board, unbeknownst to at least two of the board's primary moderators was scrubbed some time after the active conversation itself had reached a point of rest. The marker for it can still be seen on the board index, but if you click into it, it is not there.

https://consciousnessexplorationblog.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/screenshot-2023-08-10-at-2.01.57-pm.jpeg


Fortunately I had been studying parts of the conversation, and had copied them over to a private area on my own board. And a moderator at MBT contacted me later and shared a pdf she had arranged of the discussion between Tom and I. She contacted me because she had a question but I do not recall now what it was. Something to do with this general subject matter, though. With the parts of the dialogue I now had I put together this PDF. Tom comes in on page 12.. some might find it of great help. I know I have.

https://consciousnessexplorationblog.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/etheric-body-examinations-talk-w-tom-campbell-pdf-3.pdf

[Kuperkai]

@Seehas- Thanks for files. I just DL'd the first file and got the following error on a flac file in the folder "Wave IV - Adventure" called "CD1 - 1 - One Year Patterning.flac". The app "The Unarchiver" reported the file as corrupted. I've attached the error message below.
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When I went to play the file, it opened in VLC, but only played approx. half-way through and stopped at the ~17 min mark.

Did anyone else have this problem?

[Kuperkai]

The CIA declassified all its reseach papers about the "HemiSync - Gateway Experience" (https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf) in 2003.

I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but this CIA doc is missing one page. The missing page is p.23 as listed by the page number at the bottom of the document. If you go by the full pdf, page 25 is missing. Thankfully, the people at Vice.com tracked down the missing page.

Here is Vice's article on the missing page
Found- Page 25 of the CIA’s Gateway Report on Astral Projection- April 8, 2021 | Vice.com (https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7e4g3/found-page-25-of-the-cias-gateway-report-on-astral-projection)

Archive of Vice.com article:
https://archive.is/HNqQw

From the article, here is the FULL Gateway report with the missing page (https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20601195/6-full-report.pdf). Just click on the icon to the right of the printer icon in the top right-hand corner and the pdf should download. The first three pages are tinted a light yellow, but the rest of the document looks fine. Interestingly, this full document does not have any of the CIA classified markings at the bottom of each page, making the document more readable.

The Avalon Library has the CIA version of this file, but not the FULL version as linked in the Vice.com article. Would greatly appreciate if one of the mods, could upload the FULL one to the Avalon Library.

[seehas]

@Seehas- Thanks for files. I just DL'd the first file and got the following error on a flac file in the folder "Wave IV - Adventure" called "CD1 - 1 - One Year Patterning.flac". The app "The Unarchiver" reported the file as corrupted. I've attached the error message below.
51541

When I went to play the file, it opened in VLC, but only played approx. half-way through and stopped at the ~17 min mark.

Did anyone else have this problem?

you need to download both files and extract both of them together

[Helvetic]

For those with problems downloading the file.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20601195/6-full-report.pdf

[Casey Claar]

Does anyone have have any practical experience with all this they would like to share? - observation and insight into additional states based on your own practice and discrete experience would be welcome, and I image quite helpful to others passing through. My apology for not knowing you each well enough to know what your experiences are. Please share links to where you have written on this if there is not the time or inclination to begin again anew in this thread. I can familiarize myself.

[Kuperkai]

@Seehas- Thanks for files. I just DL'd the first file and got the following error on a flac file in the folder "Wave IV - Adventure" called "CD1 - 1 - One Year Patterning.flac". The app "The Unarchiver" reported the file as corrupted. I've attached the error message below.
51541

When I went to play the file, it opened in VLC, but only played approx. half-way through and stopped at the ~17 min mark.

Did anyone else have this problem?

you need to download both files and extract both of them together

@seehas- ahhh, a split zip file. Thanks for the clarification.

So, for the Avalon Members new to split zip files here is what I did.
1) DL'd both the of zip files uploaded by @seehas.
2) Expanded each of the DL's zip files individually. This creates two new files with a .zip and number at the end:
Hemi-Sync - The Gateway Experience.zip.001
Hemi-Sync - The Gateway Experience.zip.002
3) Since my main driver is currently a Mac, I used the Keka app to concatenate and unzip the joined file. The trick with Keka is to select both files in the Finder and then drag them onto the Keka app window. Keka joins the split zip files and extracts the data into a new folder.

Again, a big thanks to @seehas for the uploads :-).

[mr.white]

I tried downloading it, seems to be not working anymore!? Get this message:

[mr.white]

For those with problems downloading the file.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20601195/6-full-report.pdf

These are pretty good sum-up's of the document(s)

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[seehas]

I tried downloading it, seems to be not working anymore!? Get this message:

reuploaded it for you, should work for another 7 days.

[Casey Claar]

Does anyone have have any practical experience with all this they would like to share? - observation and insight into additional states based on your own practice and discrete experience would be welcome, and I image quite helpful to others passing through. My apology for not knowing you each well enough to know what your experiences are. Please share links to where you have written on this if there is not the time or inclination to begin again anew in this thread. I can familiarize myself.

A bump. And willingness to stay open to actual dialogue.

If anyone else is so willing?

[RMF808]

Aloha Everyone, I am trying to make a concise list of the Gateway Experience Brain Hemisphere Synchronization if you are interested. I have been in touch with Robert’s daughter, Carol, and I am a Monroe Community Group Leader. Feel free to participate in my Guided Brain Hemisphere Synchronization.

[Salathial]

Are these the originals? I heard (and saw) the new versions are deliberately watered down to remove effectiveness. 

[seehas]

Are these the originals? I heard (and saw) the new versions are deliberately watered down to remove effectiveness. 

Interesting, what do you mean by new ones? the first episodes are still the ones recorded by monroe himself? do you mean the newer ones voiced by his daughter?

[chris_walker]

Monroe died on 17th March 1995. It is believed shortly after, the CIA neutered the Gateway Experience tapes to be ineffective. I bought the tapes on 31st December 1994 so I assume I have the pre-adulterated tapes. Some of them are dated 1981. When I received them, in January 1995, I started listening to them in sequence and during the 6th tape I had the vibrations and slipped out of body. It scared me so much that I never touched the tapes since that time.

[Mark]

Some of them are dated 1981. When I received them, in January 1995, I started listening to them in sequence and during the 6th tape I had the vibrations and slipped out of body. It scared me so much that I never touched the tapes since that time.

Yeah. The same thing happened to me when I read Monroe's book "Journeys Out of the Body" and followed his exact instructions. I've had the vibrations countless times since, but I don't slip out or purposefully try to bring them on anymore.

[Salathial]

Are these the originals? I heard (and saw) the new versions are deliberately watered down to remove effectiveness. 

Interesting, what do you mean by new ones? the first episodes are still the ones recorded by monroe himself? do you mean the newer ones voiced by his daughter?

They were altered to remove the OBE experience.  

[Casey Claar]

Some of them are dated 1981. When I received them, in January 1995, I started listening to them in sequence and during the 6th tape I had the vibrations and slipped out of body. It scared me so much that I never touched the tapes since that time.

Yeah. The same thing happened to me when I read Monroe's book "Journeys Out of the Body" and followed his exact instructions. I've had the vibrations countless times since, but I don't slip out or purposefully try to bring them on anymore.

Mark, Chris.. this is a very good point on which to perhaps elaborate further.

It is true that just about anyone can go out of body, but not just anyone should, particularly as a notable feature through any portion of a lifetime. It takes a certain purity of mind, and due preparation. It is something we evolve our experience toward, not something to hit on a dime. - damage CAN be done, and by this I mean we can set ourselves back, rather than further ahead. The OBE comes naturally to our conscious state of attention once the readiness is present. And even then there is a certain shock factor to work through, in order for higher consciousness to see just how far an individual is ready to go. An unyielding curiosity at the phenomena is one sign that a person may be ready, so if meditation and what we call sleep states are not on their own producing Experiences beyond the 3D variety then binaural beats, brainwave entrainment may be a tool to help boost the frequency following response. But they are not meant for the general population. Even though most who try them unprepared will get little from them aside of a headache, there will be the occasional someone who breaks through. And, again, the fear generated from this can be more detrimental than good. It can take a long time to process a fear of this kind and magnitude.

So many of us, often unbeknownst to even ourself, perpetually live in the sympathetic nervous system ( fight - flight ). This is the first situation to address. YOGA ( and by this I mean real yoga ) addresses it thoroughly. Yama, niyama, asana, pranayama, pratyahara, dharana, dhyana, samadhi. Translated loosely, the do's and don'ts, right posture, breath awareness/control, concentration/contemplation, meditation, pure being. The other yogas are also acceptable, notably karma yoga, selfless service. Without this background, the central nervous system, "your back body guard", will not let any experience beyond 3D through to your knowing. This is due to the perceivable detriment it would cause. It won't let anything through that could potentially harm you, or that you would do potential harm with.

There are governors, safeguards, on all that lay beyond 3D experience.

Thank goodness.

[RMF808]

Aloha everyone, I was introduced to The Monroe Institute only a few years ago and I still practice today. I have become comfortable in the OBE state. All of the basics are there to begin with such as the Energy Bar Tool, Log Rolling and Resonant Energy Balloon to get us started with separation from the physical body.

I had been trying to meditate for 20 years with no progress but after a week of The Gateway Experience I began to go out of body during meditation. A true dream state. Since then, I have modified the exercises a lot and do free energy work. All for free, mostly from a distance for anyone anytime.

My thread is just getting into Wave 3

[Casey Claar]

Aloha everyone, I was introduced to The Monroe Institute only a few years ago and I still practice today. I have become comfortable in the OBE state. All of the basics are there to begin with such as the Energy Bar Tool, Log Rolling and Resonant Energy Balloon to get us started with separation from the physical body.

I had been trying to meditate for 20 years with no progress but after a week of The Gateway Experience I began to go out of body during meditation. A true dream state. Since then, I have modified the exercises a lot and do free energy work. All for free, mostly from a distance for anyone anytime.

My thread is just getting into Wave 3

Hi, RFM

Thank you for sharing a bit about your history. In your 20 years of trying to meditate what was happening? Do you say 'trying' because you were not reaching deep meditative states? I am just curious about your practice. Was it formal practice? was it daily, bi-weekly? regular or random? Were you able to get into a quiet mind? Very likely much more was happening than you may have realized if you were so easily able to surpass the 3D body via The Gateway Experience. How much time in do you have with The Monroe Institute? How many programs have you completed? How many times have you visited? Can you tell me where the Institute is focusing these days? I mean, is it pretty much the same as when Robert Monroe was still with us or has it changed? My OBEs came on their own following two decades of spiritual disciplines, but Robert Monroe was one of the first people I "found" when searching for what the heck was going on with me, lol. I adore his energy and appreciate the work he did while here, well beyond what I can say. Thank you for jumping into the conversation.

[mr.white]

I tried downloading it, seems to be not working anymore!? Get this message:

reuploaded it for you, should work for another 7 days.

Thank You!

[mr.white]

Does anyone have have any practical experience with all this they would like to share? - observation and insight into additional states based on your own practice and discrete experience would be welcome, and I image quite helpful to others passing through. My apology for not knowing you each well enough to know what your experiences are. Please share links to where you have written on this if there is not the time or inclination to begin again anew in this thread. I can familiarize myself.

A bump. And willingness to stay open to actual dialogue.

If anyone else is so willing?

Yes! Appologies for the distraction. I needed to listen to your whole video first, Thank You for the effort and detailed directions and explanations!

Altough it has not much use for me anymore, for I went a little bit diffrent through it.

I had an spontanious Obe about 10yrs ago and it freaked the s#€%& out of me...non of my beliefs, expiriences, even stuff I was reading or watching would indicate or approximatly translate what I have expirienced...so, havin' tried to distance my Self from it, the curiousity would prevail...the constant questions, what was happening, why is that and so on...

At some point I decided to search on the web, the closest I came up with were Neardeath Expiriences...yet, I certainly did not feel death or close to it...In my persisting search for 'answers', I came about a pdf bundle of Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming, about 10 books or so....every night before sleep I would start to read one of those, and would discard it the moment it started to talk about vampires, demons, aliens and similar fear-based stuff...I just at that moment in time did not want to have anything to do with it, expecially for the lack of understanding what I got my Self into...

So going through the bundle of pdf's, which were in alphabetical order, already almost discouraged, I came to the bottom and read a book by William Buhlman - Advantures Beyond the Body...

After reading it, I felt quite encouraged and calm pursuing my curiousity and expirience...In no page did he mentioned anything of the sort, I read before, and writing from a 30yrs expirience, I thought, this must be it.

Yet, on the cautious side, I was thinking, If...what he writes is true, then there must be other people who have also that expirience having read it...

That's how I find Project Avalon with a thread name called 'Advantures Beyond the Body'
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47841-Adventures-Beyond-the-Body (http://https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47841-Adventures-Beyond-the-Body) (I hope I did the embedding right)

Reading through it, I became hooked when read Sirdipswitch's post's...It instantly awoke something dormant/familiar in me, hard to explain...yet I knew that I was certain beyond doubt to follow the pursue of mastering "that" :))))))

So, I followed the directions given in the book, in my case, initially Visualisation and Affirmation and had some success, not long lasting at the beginning, yet successful they were...needed to get rid of some remaining doubts in the back of my mind, for I was starting to see that my life would gonna change and needed to be certain about it...

Anyway...following the directions from the book and the directions given by sirdipswitch in this thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51152-The-Secret-Of-The-Soul-and-OBE

...at some point I just "made it"...reconnected with my High Self, as directed by sirdipswitch and my life changed complitly, upside-down...

I would not know if something here can be of help, assistence...for it happened in my expirience very individually...I also do not meditate, never did, yet have my own means of balancing/focusing, putting my Self in the right state of mind, so to speak.

In my case...the motivation was key...that, when having put in order removed the blokages of getting out...Also I was a kiddo when I started to go OBE, I still Am:)))))))))

I hope, this would qualify for engaging in actual dialogue

[thepainterdoug]

Casey and friends. My sister Doretta has been suffering and slowly dying from aids, and stage 5 kidney failure for many years.
She just keeps going !
But recently she told me she feels she is going to cross soon, and told me this story that happened top her the other day

everyday she goes and sits with friends about 4 pm for a drink outdoors at a favorite florida bar. She said all of a sudden everything went black. she still heard the voices of her friends as if muffled under wet blankets.
she was in a space totally black, no light and saw a white orb the size of a baseball in the upper left corner of her eyes, but could not focus on it. it would move around.

it all lasted for about 40 seconds and then she returned. no one noticed anything and she just sat there.
she recalled feeling good, and ok, not at all frightened.

what do you feel that was?

[Casey Claar]

Hello, Doug, I am so sorry to hear of Doretta's suffering, yes we all step over in our own time, don't we? What you described is a simple ( and very beautiful ) shift of attention from the outer to the inner. Doretta made a conscious shift, but went no further than to what I call ground zero ( the void ) the gateway to ALL life and my most beloved of all 'places'. Yes it does seem your sister is readying herself, practicing going over. It is good, and also sad news I know.

Mr.White -- yes that does indeed qualify as actual discussion. I am fasting for a few days and moving s l o w e r with my external activities at present but will be to continue the dialogue as Inwardly able. Thank you so much for your post.


Casey

[Leroy]

I dont know if this is a proper obe, but maybe related. Some years ago I found an online experiment that Dean Radin was running. He had a sensitive device that people could try to influence.

After doing it several times the computer had enough data to give me a score and I was placed as no. 11 of all the participants. That was a very good ranking in my opinion and I got very excited and said to myself "wow, I must keep on and try to hit top three" But after trying even harder my ranking fell to no 20. So I just quit after that, didnt want to ruin my score :D

I had no idea how to influence the device so I just envisioned myself being inside it in a tiny body. There I tried all kinds of ways to disturb the particles that were fired. This included blocking the path with metal sheets, throwing explosives etc. It seemed to work somehow :)

[mr.white]

This is fascinating...after I wroter here, I went to bed and was woken up in the middle of the night by Spirit..."you have a visitor" this...did not happen for a very long time! Visitations yes, yet i would always know who visits me and where I am welcomed to visit...

Was instanfly out of body and had a presence in my space, unfamiliar to me..."why are you here? can't remember having invited you!" It was quite frightened by my approach and confused...it communicated back: "I do not know, I was just here"

I calmed down and scanned quiqly inward for possibilities, how this could have happened...remebered that I have shared publicly on a OBE thread...as I have realxed and felt that I was not threatened, the presence felt also reliefed. I could now percieve a female presence, very kind, warm, caring and it reminded me a bit of my Self, 10yrs ago when I strated to have OBE'S...

Now facing each other, without tensions, she pointed out that me carry's a "stuckness"...

I said, yes, indeed! I just showed her that part complitly...must say that, getting to know each other happens very fast and the exchange of "seeing" is simoultaniously shared, trusting one can say.

After she looked at, she asked me if I would be willing to engage in a Vision? I said yes...

I was sitting in a car, heavily armed, indestructable...to the left was a women, blond, tiny, like we were partners, togehther, boyfirend-girfriend, not true love yet rathe a very strong bond, based on pain...her pain...we were behind a car

[mr.white]

Oh my, had difficulties yesterday to post, in one moment everething was gone, pressed the back button on the browser and had an duplicate entry:))))

StarMariner was kind enough to delete it, Thank You!

Yet, woke up this morning and felt a bit worried about what I have shared in the last post, for it's intimacy and potentiality of misunderstanding or misinterpretation...this part seems to be gone now somehow!? :)))))

Anyway, to not leave the entry above open ended...the stuckness baecame unstuck and it made me realize some choices I have made and some I didn't, altough the vision was dramatic, it was enough to understand and choose anew!

Which made me reflect today and brought about the thread here, I realized that it is about Obe's and Inducing the altered state, I realized it is about someone who would engage in such activities, which made me also realize that I may have said that it is already individualized for my Self, I remebered something, I have adapted and It became like second nature, yet maybe of assistence or help to anyone headed that journey of going Obe.

A while back I read a book by Serge Kahili King about the Huna Philosophy, called "Mastering the Hidden Self" in that book there was a way of explaining Self by Seperating it into 3 parts with an 4th addition...namely the
Low Self, Middle Self, High Self and the Core Self...
It pointed out that none of those parts are better or less, rather that they are diffrent parts with diffrent functions, I think a fruit was given as an example for the outer layer, the fruit-meat and the core as being part of the whole...

So,
Low-Self would represent the subconscious Self - It remembers

The middle self, the conscious Self - It immagines

The High Self the "Super-Conscious" - It inspires

The Core Self, the Spirit - It wills

With that in mind, while deciding to go obe, I musta have an intention which motivates and "activates" the middle self, I start to immagine, visualize...in my case it's always the kitchen:)))) than the lowSelf would remember the details of the kitchen and even reproduce how something would feel (table, fruits and so on)...now, hence those two working together, High Self may jump in and inspire, something particular to ones memory or expirience...all that combined with the core self (willing) have the great potential to produce results...

Now, in my case, I pointed out towards sirdipswitch's thread, for when I was out, my middle Self and Low Self according to this viewpoint, would combine the direction of "Going to High Self"...which at that point for me I could not draw from memory or expirience, it was engaging into the unkown and "believing" of it's possibilities, yet, the core-self(will) was on board and the harmonious working together produced results....

[Eva2]

'Astral Journey into the Afterlife'
This is Jurgen Ziewe's entry into the "Life beyond Life" film festival. It deals with the reality of life after death, what it looks and feels like, how we find the place where we belong, and what our future holds after we die.'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emekyVbza0U?si=op9ze2EGNZ_n2UiK

[Casey Claar]

Jurgen is amazing, we belong to a few groups together. His work is astounding. Do you travel, Eva? Do you have a process for inducing the altered state?

[RMF808]

Aloha everyone, I was introduced to The Monroe Institute only a few years ago and I still practice today. I have become comfortable in the OBE state. All of the basics are there to begin with such as the Energy Bar Tool, Log Rolling and Resonant Energy Balloon to get us started with separation from the physical body.

I had been trying to meditate for 20 years with no progress but after a week of The Gateway Experience I began to go out of body during meditation. A true dream state. Since then, I have modified the exercises a lot and do free energy work. All for free, mostly from a distance for anyone anytime.

My thread is just getting into Wave 3

Hi, RFM

Thank you for sharing a bit about your history. In your 20 years of trying to meditate what was happening? Do you say 'trying' because you were not reaching deep meditative states? I am just curious about your practice. Was it formal practice? was it daily, bi-weekly? regular or random? Were you able to get into a quiet mind? Very likely much more was happening than you may have realized if you were so easily able to surpass the 3D body via The Gateway Experience. How much time in do you have with The Monroe Institute? How many programs have you completed? How many times have you visited? Can you tell me where the Institute is focusing these days? I mean, is it pretty much the same as when Robert Monroe was still with us or has it changed? My OBEs came on their own following two decades of spiritual disciplines, but Robert Monroe was one of the first people I "found" when searching for what the heck was going on with me, lol. I adore his energy and appreciate the work he did while here, well beyond what I can say. Thank you for jumping into the conversation.

Aloha Casey, thank you for starting this thread as I feel like we are all just walking each other home. I began with Jon Kabat-Zinn’s book, Wherever You Go, There You Are in 1998. It had several exercises that I tried. Sometimes not making more than a few pages of progress per week really trying to let things sink in but to no avail. I tried a few times a week for a long time and gradually slowed to a few times per month. I couldn’t tame the monkey mind.

I found The Gateway files in 2017 and went through the Gateway Process in one week. All 7 CDs. My mother & girlfriend noticed a dramatic difference in my demeanor and I felt it too. My meditation without Gateway would take me into dream state. Each time I went deeper and gained more control.

Now, I hear the vibrato without headphones everyday and have even had the standing wave in my head countless times. I regularly use tools learned from The Gateway Process daily and it has brought me true peace. Though, I never went to the institute and don’t know where their focus is now but, I have been in contact with Robert’s daughter, Carol, I am now a Monroe Community Group leader out here in Hawai’i. Location doesn’t mean anything because we go to that altered state reaching whomever is there.

I have sat in and studied the Exploerers. They visit the space between lives in Focus 15 to Focus 27. I have been contacted many times by a few of my guides and they take me out of body. I actually feel them often and communicate with them daily. Feeling so alone most of my life, this has made me feel a lot safer in my wakeful state.

I need to go for now but I will come back to communicate more soon,

Aloha

[RMF808]

This is a link for all 6 tracks of Wave 1 if anyone would like to give it a try. I care about all of you,

Aloha

https://archive.org/details/the-gateway-experience-manual/CD1+-+1+-+Orientation.m4a

[grapevine]

OBE REVEALS: Our Simulation is ENDING; What Lies Beyond is INSANE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFwBhxN0GdQ&ab_channel=LoveCoveredLifePodcast 41.33 minutes

Fascinating video on OOB discussing Constructs, Realms and Dimensional Spaces. Amongst other things, Darius Wright maintains that our souls retain their individuality upon death rather than being absorbed into One, and that there is no soul trap unless you believe that and therefore create it. He also mentions a pending mass exodus where many souls choose to leave this Realm (which is great to hear we have the choice - see you there!), and the Halls of Amenti which I hadn't heard of before.

If you're interested in seeing more of Daniel Wright's work, here's a link to his YTube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@dariusjwright/videos

[Salathial]

Are these the originals? I heard (and saw) the new versions are deliberately watered down to remove effectiveness. 

Interesting, what do you mean by new ones? the first episodes are still the ones recorded by monroe himself? do you mean the newer ones voiced by his daughter?

These are the original 1996 versions digitized from cassettes, it is said they are more effective at producing OBEs - only Wave I and II though 

https://mega.nz/folder/oe9V2C6I#KqAE1a1TQm5EE7ZNU8CCTw 

Get them while you can.

[Mark]

Thanks for that. Sorry for the quite late response, I lost this thread.

Can "just about anyone" go out of body? I don't know if that is true. Because I've asked.

Over the years of my life, in many conversations, if it goes a bit deep, I ask if anybody has ever experienced sleep paralysis. Most respondents have said no. Since the 70s. Sleep paralysis is the gateway to OOBEs.

I've been experiencing sleep paralysis since I was 5. I have visions, have experienced quite a few mystical events as well as direct experience of Source.

I am not so certain that absolutely anybody can do the same. It seems to be a capacity that a significant portion of the population cannot access and so they do not believe in it. I understand that it is a part of the difference between people in the world and kinda fundamental.

[Casey Claar]

It may be a mincing of words. But there can be a long spread between the concepts of "can" and "do". Everyone certainly has the capacity, but not everyone has the will or drive. Fewer yet will open to what it really takes ( beyond, per chance, a random incidence ). And there are fewer still, who will dedicate their life investigating and reporting on it as a service to humanity at large. Sleep paralysis was not my gateway into the OBE, meditation was. Higher being connecting with me was. This was always a fully conscious, discernible and highly tangible event. Simply remarkable. I wonder what served as the gateway for other OBErs here. If anyone would like to report, the floor is open.

[Harmony]

It seems like different people enter altered states of conscioiusness through different doorways. It may be that some, like Mark above, had experences from very young and others when they learn to let go of ordinary thinking, sometimes by accident or after traumatic experiences in their lives.


Looking back I was very aware, from as long as I can remember, about 1 year old. I can see I was absolutely innocent of the way the world worked and so many things were very shocking really. I do think it was meditation that started me on a different journey with more unusual experiences. First just small sessions of meditation and being alone in the wilderness for weeks at a time. Then later I had a span of 8 years where 6 days a week I spent 3 or 4 and 5 hours a day in meditation, and became a lot more aware of what love felt like, exploring and letting go of many ways of thinking. It seems like a never ending journey and new things are brought forward to contemplate to bring more expansion in perspectives. My life has been a full journey, (not always fun) and what ever is happening can be a lesson if we are watching closely.

[Casey Claar]

It seems like different people enter altered states of conscioiusness through different doorways. It may be that some, like Mark above, had experences from very young and others when they learn to let go of ordinary thinking, sometimes by accident or after traumatic experiences in their lives.


Looking back I was very aware, from as long as I can remember, about 1 year old. I can see I was absolutely innocent of the way the world worked and so many things were very shocking really. I do think it was meditation that started me on a different journey with more unusual experiences. First just small sessions of meditation and being alone in the wilderness for weeks at a time. Then later I had a span of 8 years where 6 days a week I spent 3 or 4 and 5 hours a day in meditation, and became a lot more aware of what love felt like, exploring and letting go of many ways of thinking. It seems like a never ending journey and new things are brought forward to contemplate to bring more expansion in perspectives. My life has been a full journey, (not always fun) and what ever is happening can be a lesson if we are watching closely.

Thank you for this, Harmony.

Yes, I think for most of us our awareness grows to extend to the experiences we have been having since childhood. Even as a child, I would be met in the way described up there, at any point during the day, and/or upon its threshold going into the night. I think many children carry the meditative state of mind forward with them into their lives. Life was simpler in the 1960s, children were left to their own devices. Imaginations were strong and boredom could turn on a dime into something new. As it did with me. Although many people experience sleep paralysis in the way most common depicted, it can be experienced in many ways, from many different states. I for instance most commonly experience it as a collective excitation of all my body system cells. It feels like body bliss, a highly tangible whole body frequency of vibration that literally pins me in place. I would not want to break the state to save my life, so thoroughly and profoundly pleasant is the experience. I have, upon occasion experienced sleep paralysis in the more usual way, closer to the threshold of a predominantly beta frequency wave but it is far more rare. I do not like it one bit, lol.

I wonder if there are even more ways and gateways people experience. The floor remains open.

[Michi]

Are these the originals? I heard (and saw) the new versions are deliberately watered down to remove effectiveness. 

Interesting, what do you mean by new ones? the first episodes are still the ones recorded by monroe himself? do you mean the newer ones voiced by his daughter?

These are the original 1996 versions digitized from cassettes, it is said they are more effective at producing OBEs - only Wave I and II though 

https://mega.nz/folder/oe9V2C6I#KqAE1a1TQm5EE7ZNU8CCTw 

Get them while you can.

I checked them out today. Unfortunately those conversions were apparently done in the close vicinity of a cell phone. Because of that you can hear in the background the cell's modem pulse and the flutter. (Have you ever experienced someone phoning with a cell close to a stereo and thus hearing this "bibib-bib-bibib ... -sound"? - That's what happens here.)
Sorry can't use that copy. The other m4a files from RMF808 from archive.org are clean.

[Helvetic]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJuL6QwWAAE2LAi?format=jpg&name=small

[Mark]

It may be a mincing of words. But there can be a long spread between the concepts of "can" and "do". Everyone certainly has the capacity, but not everyone has the will or drive.

Yeah, I get that perspective. It's very humanistic in the understanding that we all have the same capacities as humans. I don't think that we actually do, in all lifetimes. Sometimes we are constrained by our material conditions and, more particularly, our psychic capacity. Sometimes, infinite, eternal souls can be new souls or old souls. New souls might not have the same capacities as older souls. They might be born into bodies that have limited capacities in some areas. Like, having a brain that is wired differently from other people. Belong to communities that oppress or stigmatize the expression of certain, natural abilities. An apt metaphor is any machine that works only for a specific purpose, or that can only hold so much electromagnetic energy, an equivalent - in the metaphor - to spirit energy. If a soul is only given a body that express a limited range of emotivity or psychic capacity, the issues that come up karmically create conditions for future life expression when they are born into bodies with expanded capacities.

For instance, I know that, according to scientific reporting, those who are far from the Empath side of the Empath/Psychopath scale of the normative, psychological spectrum cannot "feel" the same things as people who are on that side and extend to the extreme expression of it. Brain scans done on such people show that they feel love as sexual desire, they don't feel fear at all, they have no conscience. For those of us who explore these things in-depth, this brings us to that prevalent perspective in the world, which is also kabalistic, that the world is split in twain. There are two kinds of people. Different spiritual systems name them differently, but this split in the human race is remarked upon globally. The psychopath/empath scale kind of comports with that perspective. I don't believe psychopathy is a mental illness. The evolution of the field of psychology and the reality that we are all mixed together obscures that understanding, as it serves that population to remain hidden in plain sight. We are all the same. Nobody is different from anybody else and we all have the same capacities.

For me, I didn't know what "sleep paralysis" was. I was a Christian kid raised in the Baptist and Military Evangelical traditions. Nobody around me knew anything about that. According to Google's AI compilation of responses, it looks something like this in the general population:


According to a 2011 study, 7.6% of the general population, 28.3% of students, and 31.9% of psychiatric patients have experienced at least one episode of sleep paralysis
. A 2023 review of 35 studies found that the lifetime prevalence of sleep paralysis was nearly 8% in the general population, with rates higher in non-White populations.

Those aren't high numbers. Granted, as with most statistics, they are dependent upon the sample size and composition of the audience they are studying. These numbers also comport with my experience of asking people, in every place the military took us as well as my adulthood, traveling all over the country and overseas, speaking to diverse people in diverse circumstances. From strange looks to flat "no's" from the vast majority of people. For this reason, finding individuals who actually knew what sleep paralysis was, has always been very nice. And the very, very few that knew that it is the gateway to having OOBEs, were always great blessings to my experience.

[grapevine]

OBE REVEALS: Our Simulation is ENDING; What Lies Beyond is INSANE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFwBhxN0GdQ&ab_channel=LoveCoveredLifePodcast 41.33 minutes

Fascinating video on OOB discussing Constructs, Realms and Dimensional Spaces. Amongst other things, Darius Wright maintains that our souls retain their individuality upon death rather than being absorbed into One, and that there is no soul trap unless you believe that and therefore create it. He also mentions a pending mass exodus where many souls choose to leave this Realm (which is great to hear we have the choice - see you there!), and the Halls of Amenti which I hadn't heard of before.

If you're interested in seeing more of Darius Wright's work, here's a link to his YTube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@dariusjwright/videos

Have an OUT OF BODY Experience On Demand! Beyond an NDE-- Darius Wright (1:29:34)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yb-AFBrRFM&ab_channel=MichaelSandler%27sInspireNation
Another compelling video from Darius Wright which gives so much more information than the heading suggests about Out of Body and Near Death Experiences. He differentiates between OOB, NDE and Astral Projection, confirms that our souls are safe and can never be destroyed or controlled. He also says there is a finite number of souls. Darius presents visuals depicting the 12 levels (multiple planes of existance), talks briefly about the Annunaki and says that we are all being observed.
If you're interested in learning more about OOB techniques, you'll find it all on Darius Wright's YT channel highlighted above.

[Jaak]

I have had several out of body experiences in my life time ,all through meditation . As soon as i see somebody charging a ton of money and promising to teach these things i immediately think of it as an scam.
Darius Wright seems to be charging 300 or 500 dollars for his teachings ? Thats insane. Flipped through about some things he has sayd and didnt find anything new. Most of it i read already 20 years ago in different online forums . Tons of materials have been available about these things for a long time who bothers to look.
I wrote about some of my experiences in different topics and how i achieved them . No money needed ,just a ton of patience and will power . If anybody has interested to try out on their own i can freely give advice or tell what i know ,no money needed. Just ask.
Truth should be free and for bullsh*t we pay...
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123593-Shaman-drum-recording-for-out-of-body-experiences
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120650-Alternative-theory-of-the-universe

[grapevine]

Thanks Jaak for the link to your threads, which I'll read after writing this. I do appreciate your opinion of this guy (and kind offer to answer questions based on your own oobs), although the saying "every man is worth his salt" seems appropriate as this is how the man makes a living after all. He gives quite a lot of information and tips for free in his videos and I find him pretty straightforward. So saying, there are a lot of charlatans out there preying on vulnerable people.

I also have oobs, although they're spontaneous rather than induced, and I've visited a strange place never mentioned by anyone else that I know of. Something (a hunch) tells me there are many - possibly an infinite number - of such places.

[Mike Gorman]

OBE REVEALS: Our Simulation is ENDING; What Lies Beyond is INSANE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFwBhxN0GdQ&ab_channel=LoveCoveredLifePodcast 41.33 minutes

Fascinating video on OOB discussing Constructs, Realms and Dimensional Spaces. Amongst other things, Darius Wright maintains that our souls retain their individuality upon death rather than being absorbed into One, and that there is no soul trap unless you believe that and therefore create it. He also mentions a pending mass exodus where many souls choose to leave this Realm (which is great to hear we have the choice - see you there!), and the Halls of Amenti which I hadn't heard of before.

If you're interested in seeing more of Daniel Wright's work, here's a link to his YTube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@dariusjwright/videos

This is fascinating stuff, I experienced an OBE back when I was about 19/20 - it was very real and terrifying! I must admit I had been experimenting with hallucinogenic drugs at the time, and I was not in my 'right mind', but when I left my body I was not intoxicated or affected - I was taken by surprise because it happened so suddenly and I did think I was dying, as this fellow says, I panicked and prayed to Jesus to enable me to return to my body, I was watching my body from the ceiling and saw that a local 'base spirit' was trying to steal my body, a dog-like entity! I heard a loud snarl as I re-entered my body it came from outside my window. This was a disturbing event, and because I was inexperienced (as a human being) I was clumsy about it, you know I am not inclined to re-visit this until I have to again, but I know this is very real, I remember the sensation of leaving my body, it is very strange! Just thought I would share this, I am not making any claims.

[grapevine]

OBE Traveler: The World Will Soon Know The Truth! Darius J Wright Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlIcP4DCHfk&ab_channel=INSPIRED (1:14:15)
Jean Nolan of INSPIRED channel interviews Darius Wright about the many worlds that he visits during his OOBs and the races of aliens he's seen from 55:15, like Greys (4 different kinds), the Dragon Race (sounds better PR than Reptilians), many different sizes of Humans (giants?), Annunaki, Angels.
If I have a problem with OBEs is that we go alone, when it would be much better from my pov to call for a friend on the way and share the experiences. Or can you?

[4got2call]

Excellent discussion.