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Listkov
10th July 2023, 02:56
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2023/06/30/russia-banned-gmos-years-ago-to-distinguish-itself-from-the-united-states-whats-its-current-stance-toward-genetic-engineering-crispr-and-other-new-breeding-techniques/

Putin and Russia have shown an anti-GMO attitude in recent years.


When Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin signed a law (passed by the country’s legislature) in 2016 banning the importation and cultivation of genetically modified plants, seeds and livestock, he made an easy decision, politically. But in the long run, it has proved risky.
Agriculture is a pillar of the Russian economy. It is now its second-largest industry after oil and gas. The Ukrainian War aside, how is Russia managing its considerable agricultural resources? Very little is actually known, as much of the Russian economy is shrouded in secrecy.

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Before the current war, Russia had become a meat importer (it was a lot cheaper than domestic production) and an exporter of grains. These exports have rapidly increased since 2002. Since 2014, Russian military and political forays into Ukraine resulted in economic sanctions against the country from the US, European Union and other countries. Russia retaliated by banning agricultural and food imports from many of those countries. While the ban hurt Russian consumers in their wallets and pocketbooks, it has not been politically harmful. After the 2022 Ukrainian invasion, Russia switched exports to many Western countries to other other neutral countries, including India and in Africa.

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However, Putin and Russian regulators and politicians (and to a large degree the Russian people) remain – to put it mildly – skeptical of GMOs. When Putin signed Federal Law 358-Z, prohibiting “cultivation of genetically engineered plants and breeding of genetically engineered animals on the territory of the Russian Federation,” he put restrictions on a technology that polls show is feared by about 80 percent of Russians. On the surface, it also was an economically easy decision, as the proportion of GMO-containing food declined from 12 percent to just 0.01 percent since 2007, according to Russia Today.

Anti-GMO groups and anti-biotech websites like Natural News and Sustainable Pulse also celebrated the decision, making a logical leap that this decision could curb any GMO development. According to Sustainable Pulse, “this law makes Russia the world’s largest GMO-free territory and offers a great platform for the development of organic agriculture.”

Natural News went a step further, posting an alleged quote by Putin critical of GMOs, vaccines, and fast food:

"We as a species have the choice to continue to develop our bodies and brains in a healthy upward trajectory, or we can follow the Western example of recent decades and intentionally poison our population with genetically altered food, pharmaceuticals, vaccinations, and fast food that should be classified as a dangerous, addictive drug."


Don't know too much about agriculture but since they're exporting grain and obviously not starving, they must be doing something right.

This seems to align with soviet attitudes to genetic research and practice, most famously embodied in the controversial figure of Trofim Lysenko, who opposed the (at the time useless) discipline of genetics in favor of Lamarckian ideas of the inheritance of acquired characteristics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko

According to Dr. Ray Peat



khrushchev for a while supported lysenko and

and what he was doing wanting to support massive organic farms but when khrushchev went out then that was the end of lysenko's career

(interviewer): wikipedia says lysenko was a strong proponent of soft inheritance and rejected mendelian genetics in favor of pseudoscientific ideas termed lysenko-ism and so also known as lamarckism

Peat: you could until a few years ago you could usually get a some old professor to almost have a stroke but saying something good he was probably a more populartarget for a lot of people than stalin but for example he anticipated barbara mcclintock and the work that got through the nobel prize and epigenetics everything he did now is not at all controversial but he increased grain production and food production people who used his
methods but the academic geneticists still had lots of power the soviet union wasn't at all monolithic the western factions in science were very powerful so you mentioned khrushchev and trotsky and potentially others at the soviet leadership being at least ideologically aligned with the cia

In one of Peat's books he mentions a rift between academic geneticists in the central institutes and rural agricultural schools who cultivated crops under the methods of Lysenko.

Others have claimed that the majority of agricultural strains currently planted in Russia were created by Lysenko and his adherents in institutes across the former USSR.

In a Russian Language blog (accessed through google translate), several advancements in agriculture through this school of thought are detailed - most interesting to me is the experiments regarding watering tomatoes through "magnetic water treatment", which corroborates with western parapsychological research on this same subject

https://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/288787.html


Well, and finally - something else from Dolgushin's most interesting book ...
Back in 1923, the Soviet physicist A. Gurvich discovered a striking phenomenon. Having placed two test tubes with the simplest plants next to each other, he poured acid into one of them. That is, he simply killed the life in her. But the plants also died in the second test tube, although the environment there remained favorable for their life. In other words, the dying organisms sent a signal of death to their healthy counterparts - and they also died. Gurvich considered that he was faced with the action of unknown "mitogenetic rays" - rays sent by living cells. What it is, he could not understand, but the fact of the exchange of information between living organisms at a distance was proved. What is this connection? In 1943, the German physicist Schrödinger suggested that all living things receive and emit electromagnetic waves. And the radiation (according to Max Planck) comes in portions-quanta. Gurvich's experience only confirmed this conjecture. If there are rays, then there is both their wavelength and the frequency of their transmission. For a beam is just a form of an electromagnetic field. If so, then you can build an emitter, with which you can orchestrate the processes inside the living.
The work of the Institute of Blood Transfusion, organized by the prominent Bolshevik Bogdanov, gave amazing results. It was there that a completely heretical fact from the point of view of Western genetics was established: when blood is transfused from one person to another, the body of the recipient-recipient suddenly begins to change, striving to become like the body of a donor. This means that blood cells carry information about their owner, which they can transmit to another person.
A lot of work in the direction of wave genetics was carried out in the 1930s, and has not lost its relevance to the present day. Let's open a peculiar message to future generations, the almost forgotten today book by Yuri Dolgushin "Generator of Miracles". You've already encountered her in The Third Project. For the late Dolgushin is the star of Soviet scientific journalism of the thirties and fifties. What did he write at that time?
“... Biologist A.G. Gurvich discovered mitogenetic radiations of living tissue, and Lepeshkin - necrobiotic rays - “rays of death”. A large number of studies have appeared that speak about the specific effect of high-frequency electromagnetic radiation on living tissue, on the development of plants and microbes. K.K. Korovin, using an ultrasonic generator, grew a radish the size of an apple ...
... Dr. Dubrovin Evgeny Alekseevich in a cramped room at the Tropical Institute made me hold a white rat with sarcoma on his back while he irradiated it with ultrashort waves ... ...
Acquaintance with academician Trofim Denisovich Lysenko, conversations with him about "alive and dead", about immortality and death , about new genetics, they made me feel the fresh wind of our advanced biology ... ”(Yu. Dolgushin. “Generator of Miracles” - Moscow, All-Union Educational and Pedagogical Publishing House “Proftekhizdat”, 1960, pp. 6-8).
The "Generator of Miracles" became the cherished dream of biologists of that time: to master the language of these signals of living matter. As Dolgushin writes, the treatment of radish seeds with ultrashort waves led to an amazing phenomenon: just like in the case of Kolomeitsev, they gave a record harvest. But here's the most surprising thing: as soon as the irradiated seeds were placed next to the non-irradiated ones, the latter also adopted their properties. It turned out that the irradiated seeds themselves turned into "transmitters"! Later, all this will be declared a fabrication of the Stalinists-Lysenkoites, the persecutors of "true genetics" - but Kolomeitsev today achieves the same unheard-of success! Moreover, with costs that are a thousand times less than the money that the “genetic engineers” who defeated Stalinism in science devour to increase productivity! However, let us quote Dolgushin:
“... For a long time, scientists began to notice that many bodies and substances have some kind of strange ability - to act in a certain way on other bodies of biological origin at a distance. A thin root of an ordinary onion, directed with its tip to the lateral surface of another root, caused an increased cell division in it. The pulsating heart of a frog, the brain of a tadpole, the muscles of various animals, even human blood, acting at close range, force the yeast culture to develop intensively. The proximity of water, metals, ores, and some medicinal substances sometimes causes an involuntary contraction of the muscles of the hand in a person ... "
We emphasize: all this was observed by Soviet scientists in 1936-1958! That is, already at that time, the Russians understood that in parallel with the material world there is also a thin, informational world, permeated with streams of signals from living and inanimate nature. The very pathos of the “Generator of Miracles” is precisely to build generators capable of controlling nature with electromagnetic radiation, providing fantastic yields, changing the properties of living organisms, defeating diseases (Dolgushin was confident in their wave, energy-informational nature), stopping the aging process and decomposition, even cause the transformation of some chemical elements into others. The brain controls the body with weak high frequency signals! This is how excitation is transmitted from one cell of the body to another. You just need to decipher this language. That is, before us is a program for creating real magic. Moreover, highly scientific, under the red banner.
In the USSR, from the very beginning, a special genetics was born, different from the Western, which is now dominant. What did they say in the West? That information about living organisms is carried by special structures - genes hidden in a living cell. It is on them, inherited, that information about the body is recorded. If you want to change the appearance and properties of a living thing, change the genes. True, later it turned out that genes as such do not exist, but there are chromosomes, DNA molecules - double helixes. Then its sections were dubbed genes. Like, one is responsible for the color of the eyes, the second - for the size of the hooves, etc.
But our people from the very beginning said: this is not so. A. Gurvich, who was the first to discover the mysterious connection between the living, in 1944 believed that the load on genes was too high, that it was necessary to introduce the concept of a biological field, the properties of which are described by physics. He foresaw that chromosomes are emitters of electromagnetic waves. Even earlier, A. Lyubishchev (1925) stated that genes are not material structures, as they believe in the West, but a kind of memory. “... The genes in the genotype do not form a mosaic, but a harmonic unity, like a chorus ...” (We quote from the article by P.P. Garyaev “Wave genetics as a reality”). And it was no longer just genetics: this wave, energy-informational view of the world promised breakthroughs in many sciences and spheres of human activity.
Unfortunately, history took a sharp turn, and Dolgushin's dreams remained only dreams for a long time. This wave, energy-informational direction in biology turned out to be in the corral. He was declared pseudo-scientific and totalitarian. They began to tell us about Lysenko swindlers who fed cows with chocolate. I will give an excerpt from the article by Y. Mukhin:
“Until 1987, there was a famous livestock farm in Gorki Leninsky near Moscow, formed from cows and bulls based on the scientific ideas of Academician T.D. Lysenko. This farm was distinguished by a high fat content of milk. "Chocolate production waste" had nothing to do with this fat content, since the farm was fully provided with feed produced on the Gorki Leninskie farm itself, and the missing feed concentrates were received in exchange for grain produced on the farm. The farm did not need subsidies.
But in other farms of the Moscow region, subsidies were used very widely. Waste of chocolate production was also used - CACAVELLA (cacao bean husks). It was used not from a good life, but because of the lack of ordinary (normal) feed. Feeding qualities of cocoa shells are lower (in any case, not better) than those of the notorious "branch food". Animals refused to accept it. And so, to test the feeding properties of cocoa shells, 5 tons of it were brought to "Gorki Leninskie". It was not possible to use these 5 tons: the animals categorically refused it. But even if these 5 tons were used, then its one-time delivery, and even in such a quantity, not to mention its dubious feeding qualities, could not affect either milk yield, milk fat content, or the physical condition of animals. Thus, the good physical condition of the animals on the farm in Gorki Leninskie and the success of Academician Lysenko's work cannot be explained by the systematic use of "chocolate factory waste". The tale about the "waste of chocolate production", on which the success of the work of academician T.D. Lysenko was allegedly based, is just an element of the slander that fills the life and work of T.D. Lysenko.
One of the collections of slander against Academician T.D. Lysenko is the memoirs of Academician M.A. Lavrentiev. Among other things, Academician M.A. Lavrentiev "testifies": "Lysenko showed us his fat bull-calves (they were fed with waste from a chocolate factory) ..." (Journal of the Siberian Branch of the USSR Academy of Sciences "ECO", N 1, 1980, p. 147). The sly expression "chocolate factory waste" is not cocoa bean husks, but broken chocolate and pieces of candy. It was in this direction that the writer Dudintsev and the journalist Adzhubey developed the slander on T.D. Lysenko, who announced to the people in their "dialogue" that Lysenko's farm in "Gorki Leninskie" for feeding animals "received scrap cookies from the confectionery factory - they fed them ". (Newspaper "Moscow News" January 4, 1987
We have ceased to be reminded that Russia still uses wheat varieties that are productive and resistant to our climate, bred just by “anti-scientific Lysenkoites”.
The best varieties of winter wheat in the Union were bred by the Lysenkoites: D.A. Dolgushin, V.E. Pisarev, P.P. Lukyanenko, V.N. Remeslo, I.G. Kalinenko. Donat Dolgushin was even presented with the title of Hero of Labor when his "Odesskaya 56" occupied more than six million hectares (early 1980s).
“... After all, it is a fact that, on the basis of Lysenko’s work, such varieties of agricultural crops as spring wheat “Lyutentses-1173”, “Odesskaya-13”, barley “Odessky-14”, cotton “Odessky-1”, a number of agricultural techniques have been developed , including vernalization, coinage of cotton. Pavel Panteleymonovich Lukyanenko, perhaps our most talented and prolific breeder, who has 15 zoned varieties of winter wheat, including the world-famous Bezostaya-1, Aurora ", "Caucasus". Whatever Lysenko's "critics" may say, the country's grain wedge is still dominated by agricultural crops bred by his supporters and students.
But what if other areas of “Lysenkoism” had also developed?
And yet the magical trend in science has not died. Evidence that the cells of the body and organisms exchange information with each other is already full today. In the sixties, Bell's theorem appeared - about a non-local connection between objects. In 1979, the phenomenon of letagen was discovered in the USSR. Igor Smirnov established that there is a strange connection between animals from the same family or those who have lived side by side for a long time. When one rabbit is killed or injured, the other becomes ill as well. And over great distances. When Dr. Barnard began transplanting hearts in the 1960s, he too faced the unthinkable. A heart transplanted from a young donor into an old man's body aged very quickly. This was discovered at autopsy. It became obvious: the cells of the decrepit body transmitted information to the cells of the young heart.
In 1971, the Chinese biologist Jian Kanzhen, another successor of the Gurvich-Lyubishchev case, emigrated to the USSR. In Khabarovsk, he worked miracles: without any genetic engineering, with the help of cheap electromagnetic emitters (which, in principle, could have been created already in the thirties), he transferred the properties of some organisms to others. We have seen photographs of his "chimeras": chickens with duck feet, rabbits with goat horns, chickens with the hair of the scientist himself, corn on the cob, similar to an enlarged wheat ear ... From the point of view of classical genetics, these are impossible things. From the point of view of wave genetics and the energy-information picture of the world in general, everything is in its place...




… Here we are not at all confronted with the laws of the development of the technosphere and not with the logic of the scientific and technological revolution! No, we are dealing with the result of the interaction between the technosphere and society, with the action of specific mechanisms aimed at curbing development, at stabilizing the world through its simplification and degradation, at destroying its dynamics. And then reverse movement. Everything is aimed at ensuring the abundant life of the few at the expense of the destruction of the world, at the expense of the rejection of mankind from its mission. This is a conspiracy against the future in its purest form.
The fight against crimes against the future is one of the main directions of our actions in Supernova Russia (Russian Union, USSR-2)…


AFTERWORD: TROFIM DENISOVICH AS PART OF THE FUTURE
Time brings more and more evidence that Lysenko's genetics should develop ALONG WITH the current mainstream genetics. Let the two directions compete with each other, mutually enriching themselves.
Too many confirmations of the correctness of Trofim Denisovich have accumulated today. Organisms can really change under external influences, acquire new properties - which Vavilovism did not want to admit.
In 1975, magazines and newspapers all over the world covered photographs of the Englishman Charles Roberts (I have one in my personal archive), who grew a tomato of a record size - two kilograms. How? Roberts, using stereo headphones, played all sorts of music to the tomato.
In 1976, the Soviet press wrote about the work of researchers Igor Ostryakov and Zenon Zhurbitsky (VNII of Plant Physiology named after Timiryazev, USSR Academy of Sciences). Influencing plants with electric current, ionizing water and air, they achieved the intensification of photosynthesis. Or suppressed it. That is, they fundamentally proved the possibility of stimulating the growth of useful crops and suppressing weeds in this way. Yu. Kuzminov and V. Sobolevsky at the same time achieved an increase in productivity by ionizing water for irrigation of cotton, wheat and fodder crops.
Doctor of Biological Sciences Zenon Zhurbitsky in the late 1960s placed a grounded metal mesh over a corn field. Corn under the net turned out to be stunted. As well as barley. But radishes and onions gained a record weight, increasing in mass by 23%.
Biophysicists from the Timiryazev Central Genetic Laboratory at the same time passed a weak current through the earth, achieving an impressive increase in corn yields - by almost a third.
In the same 1976, at the Eighth National Review of Technical and Scientific Youth Creativity in Bulgaria, a group of students led by Professor Peter Penchev (Sofia Higher Machine-Electrotechnical Institute) showed their work: magnetic water treatment equipment. Watering greenhouse tomatoes with such water increased the yield by 8.5%. (By the way, concrete on "magnetized" water hardened twice as fast, and its strength increased by 18%).
And here is another example. In 1959 (and even a film was made about it), the director of the Institute of Cytology and Genetics, academician D. Belyaev, began a long-term experiment. He selected the most accommodating of the wild foxes (ready to take food from the hands of man), crossed them, selecting the most accommodating from the offspring. And - about a miracle! - the offspring of these foxes began to resemble yard dogs. They had a purely doggy spotted color, their ears drooped. Snow-white foxes with blue eyes appeared, calmly walking on a leash.
This means that many “programs” are hidden inside the oranism, which can be launched, in one way or another, by influencing it from the outside. And if foxes can turn into dogs, then was Lysenko so wrong when he spoke of the possibility of turning some cereals into others? (Wheat can be reborn into rye and barley, rye into wheat - so said T.D.)
So when they compare me with Trofim Lysenko, I say: “Thank you for the compliment” ...
Continued - http://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/289254.html




I'd greatly appreciate anything you all have to add to this, especially from Russian readers and those interested in agriculture and biology.

shaberon
10th July 2023, 04:45
The argument in favor of GMO claims that it is just an accelerated form of selective breeding.


Breeding is, for example, why we have different kinds of domestic dogs. Left to their own devices, there are not Dachsunds and Pomeranians and French Bulldogs which stably reproduce their characteristics and dominate an area. On other hand, they were not made in a test tube, but carefully selected over a large number of generations.

The crippling of agriculture began around 1890 in the United States, particularly with tomatoes. Back then it was the development of hybrids, again a sort of natural breeding, selecting for larger and better-looking products, or a given flavor and so on.

The problem with hybrids is that their seeds contain such a variety of genetics that only about 1/3 of them might closely reproduce their parents. What that means is that it is no longer efficient for a farmer to keep his own seeds and re-plant them. He has to go back to the store to buy a new batch of first-generation hybrids.

What that means is that both production and retail began to slip out of the control of small family farms, and into the hands of Big Ag.

Well, let's see. Mankind first domesticated cereals in the Zagros Mountains of Iran about 12,000 years ago, and ever since then, you got the option to cease being nomadic, and a person could live in a stable house and raise enough crops to survive or even sell the surplus. This is called "civilization".

In the U. S., as more and more types of plants became hybridized, combined with banks foreclosing properties and re-selling them to large conglomerates, civilization vanished. By some point around the 1930s, a family could no longer make a living by "truck farming". Both sides of my family were large farming families, and then, yes, all of them left and all of the land belongs to someone else.

The country was designed on an agricultural basis, which worked perfectly well, and then it destroyed itself.

It already destroyed itself in the early 1900s, in multiple aspects, and it is just bleeding out.

What we call "wheat" is not even real wheat, it is a bushy dwarf hybrid from the 1970s, not what the Roman Empire ate. Ask the Germans. I have encountered many who specifically ask for Einkorn. This is, so to speak, the "original" wheat which has a single pair of alleles in its DNA. Owing to natural processes, the kind with two pairs is called Spelt, and qv. "Ezekiel's Bread", has also been around for a long time.

Through hybridization, modern wheat has something like forty-six pairs of alleles.

It is higher in, for instance, gluten, which the brain requires to produce HTTP5, one of its main "happy chemicals", and so doctors figured out a way to tell people they are "gluten intolerant". But one of the main reasons they felt ill is because crops are frequently sprayed with Roundup shortly before harvest.

Idaho potato farmers won't even touch their crops out of the ground, for about two weeks. That is because the "ground" is nothing but an ashy powder, with liquified chemicals constantly sprayed on it, which then have to decarboxylate before you can eat it.

That, basically, is the scene into which GMO finds its birthright.

Yes, I would think the Russian reaction is appropriate, it should be a Schedule II Narcotic, or something similar. If desired, *you* can eat it in some controlled way where it's not forcing *me* to do it as well. Worse than just the crop, though, is the pollen--most of which can spread for at least half a mile, and, some of it can spread for many miles. So if it was even physically possible for me to grow my own original tomatoes and wheat, a neighbor in the next county could GMO me and then I would be ruined.


That being said, I don't know much about how the GMO process itself, works, or what Russian or other experiments sounding like Sheldrake's "morphic resonance" may have discovered.

I can say that, generally, in the U. S., you can stick anything on the shelf for sale until it is "proven unsafe". In most other countries, it is opposite, you cannot put anything on the shelf that is not "proven safe".

Although I don't know the details of the techniques, anyone can distinguish the trends. It might take about twenty minutes of analysis to figure out the American way is pure Fascism.

What is doubly frustrating is that, despite spending most of my life supporting the message about why organic is superior and other industries should be boycotted, all I have seen is that everything goes backwards. We recently saw that in post-sanction Russia, the equivalent of about twelve dollars would get you about three bags of organic groceries. Here, you can easily spend that on a single item.

East Sun
10th July 2023, 21:55
"Russia will be the savior of the Earth" ( Not a verbatim quote, but close enough)
Edgar Cayce.

gord
11th July 2023, 04:29
"Russia will be the savior of the Earth" ( Not a verbatim quote, but close enough)
Edgar Cayce.

It's from two readings: 3976-10, given on Feb. 8, 1932, and 3976-29, given on June 22, 1944.

See this article: Out of Russia Will Come Hope (https://www.edgarcayce.org/about-us/blog/blog-posts/out-of-russia-will-come-hope/) from A.R.E., and this pdf article from the July-September 2012 issue of their magazine Venture Inward.

The Spirit of Cayce’s ‘World Affairs’ Readings
https://www.edgarcayce.org/media/17271/jaffin-worldaffairsarticle.pdf

SoulValor
11th July 2023, 08:32
It is higher in, for instance, gluten, which the brain requires to produce HTTP5, one of its main "happy chemicals", and so doctors figured out a way to tell people they are "gluten intolerant". But one of the main reasons they felt ill is because crops are frequently sprayed with Roundup shortly before harvest.

Shaberon,
explain to me then why I can't tolerate wheat and other gluten-rich bread? (Organic) I usually get insane itching after eating it. I can tolerate bread that is low in gluten however (barely to no itching) such as rye, oats or spelt. And are you saying that coeliac disease doesn't exist or that gluten is not its culprit?


What is doubly frustrating is that, despite spending most of my life supporting the message about why organic is superior and other industries should be boycotted, all I have seen is that everything goes backwards. We recently saw that in post-sanction Russia, the equivalent of about twelve dollars would get you about three bags of organic groceries. Here, you can easily spend that on a single item.

How do you know this about prices in Russia? Do you have friends there? It would be nice also to get confirmation that Russia is indeed GMO-free. It wouldn't surprise me though. They seem to be much saner there and actually caring for its people.

I agree that organic foods are superior - that should actually be a no brainer. But some people haven't gotten the memo yet. To their defense however, a lot of them don't buy them because they're more expensive. And the prices here in Germany really are increasing to insane heights (but hey - Russia IS suffering, the sanctions work!! :facepalm: ) and that's quite noticeable with organic products (bur regular ones too). Just a few weeks ago I bought organic mayonaise for 3.99€. 2 (!) weeks later, in the same the store, the same brand, the mayonaise cost 4.29 €!! :wacko: Needless to say, I've switched brands for now.

shaberon
11th July 2023, 15:27
Shaberon,
explain to me then why I can't tolerate wheat and other gluten-rich bread? (Organic) I usually get insane itching after eating it. I can tolerate bread that is low in gluten however (barely to no itching) such as rye, oats or spelt. And are you saying that coeliac disease doesn't exist or that gluten is not its culprit?



No, those were generalizations.

There was no such thing as a food allergy until I was in my 30s. In America, we blame the general deterioration of the immune system to a wide variety of factors--probably all of our factors.

The older varieties/lower gluten forms are, of course, what, if anything, the human system might be conditioned to eating. Anything else called "wheat" was probably hybridized after 1980.

You can just get some gluten and that would tell you pretty quick if that is the culprit.

I've had severe hives five or six times, don't know why...was it something I ate?


From retail experience, there has become a large number of subsets who go into stores calling themselves gluten-intolerant, lactose-intolerant, nitrates-intolerant, nuts-intolerant, it goes on...not something that used to happen. The "diagnoses" given in the majority of cases are just flowcharts, something pre-determined without any real analysis of the patient.


Our governments may be similarly insane, but, the on-the-ground difference between Europe and the U. S. is unimaginable without heavy review. The doctor-dependency and medical mystery and attempts at treatment here are massively problematic and are so much worse, you wouldn't call it reality. There may well be coeliac's and other valid explanations for some problems, but, I don't believe I could go in a store anywhere from Portugal on over and spend the day counting customers with so many finicky food issues as we have here.

Someone just posted an Amish thread, which shows they are free of these problems, because it is a community that refuses to accept anything made after 1900.


As far as I know, no other countries follow the U. S. model on food and medicine.






How do you know this about prices in Russia? Do you have friends there?


It was an article linked, I believe, in the "World War III" somewhere. Literally someone's experiment to see how bad the sanctions might have hit daily life. Almost all of us know they are working backwards. There are so many related, supporting details in this and the Multi-polar thread that it is impossible remember the posts or any unique terms to search for.



This is on top of the fact that recent inflation here in the U. S. is 48% due to corporate profits--which is due to Covid, and, historically unprecedented. Profits play a role of around 3-5% in all previous scoring. That means that if an item went from 1,00 to 1,50, then ,25 of that was because companies have so much extra cash, which is because Covid was probably the largest wealth transfer known to man. Even if that refers to American companies, it quickly impacts everyone else.