Democracy: Stick a fork in it, it's done

[Bill Ryan]

I've been meaning to start this thread for quite a while. It's very clear to me that 'democracy' has been a sham — and often a cynical, crooked, manipulated one — for decades, in almost every part of the world. (But significantly, not Crimea or the Donbass. :thumbsup: )

This new video from Chris Martenson made my decision to post this. He's outraged about the recent treatment of RFK Jr in the censorship hearings (when he himself was censored!), but there's a LOT more to this important topic than that.

It's All Over! (Democracy, That Is)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0L0BdycDJE

[ExomatrixTV]

The "informed consent" principle (based upon trusting the right people) is one of the most important aspect of the Nuremberg Code (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code) of (Mass) Medical Experiments Ethics! ... So is our: "Democracy Experiment".

... that failed so many times on so many levels meanwhile people are trained not to see it anymore or play along acting like they do not see it >>> or worse: assuming it is normal to get lied too so much so they can not digest real truth anymore ... More and more people having >>> no discernment skills <<< exactly what the psychopathic control-freaks counting/depending on to be successful.


RFK Jr. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120744-Robert-F.-Kennedy-jr.-May-Run-for-Presidency-Challenging-Joe-Biden-2024) knows this ... so should all of humanity!

Big Mainstream Media Networks in all its forms including all written press on paper, Magazines, Scientific Publications, Radio, TV, Wikipedia, "Fact-checkers sites", mainstream media on internet are PROVABLE hijacked & corrupted <<< the main reason why the "informed consent" principle in any "experimental democracy" does not and can not work anymore.


And the same forces behind this major scheme blame anyone who tries to expose their scam as "a danger to democracy" >>> which is harrowing pathetic and super ironic/hypocritical.

I noticed there is an agenda to make "truth" fluid... claiming: "everybody has his or her own truth" >>> which to a degree is a KNOWN psychological mechanism with everybody (including "die hard" scientists). But now it is used to push certain alleged "truths" (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115313-There-s-the-Woke-and-the-In-The-Know) as "unquestionable (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96561-Climate-Change--AKA-Global-Warming--...-is-it-a-scam)"

... and anything or anyone that exposes their schemes/lies with verifiable facts are not allowed (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-began...) to speak their truths ... thus "informed consent" is out of the window in our "democracy experiment" that is totally rigged >>> which you are not allowed to discuss.

And the so-called "new normal people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" are heavily conditioned to see it as it is all for "the greater good" (collectivism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115763-American-Marxism)) believing/assuming they are "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" which is KEY to understand how it all works (https://technocracy.news)!

--o-O-o--

Truly understanding what "Self-Determination Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination)" are ... is KNOWING it is the exact opposite of what WEF minions (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) are doing worldwide with their Technocratic (https://technocracy.news) Tyrannical Dystopian "Global Governance (https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1Gb0000000LHN2EAO)" aka "Agenda2030 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset)" & "NetZero2050 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115447-Climate-Lockdowns-are-Coming--Agenda2030--Predicted-by-Conspiracy-Researchers-)"


Same psychopathic control-freaks pushing for conditional version of U.B.I. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income)

We live in a world that has hijacked governments: criminalizing real solutions (suppressed inventions/cures) and legalizing corporate crimes!

"First they overlook evil, Then they permit evil. Then they legalize evil. Then they promote evil. Then they celebrate evil. Then they persecute those who still call it evil."


If we can succeed to find a way to empower/inspire enough key-people within corrupt systems (that want to enslave us) <<< that would be the first important step in: "Throwing Sand in their NWO Machine (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum)".

As there are many insiders that falsely believe they are "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" serving "the greater good" ... if some of them realize how they are mass hypnotized via NLP (https://www.contentgrip.com/natural-language-processing-nlp-marketing/) type techniques, becoming victim of Mass Formation Psychosis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism) could be an important way to turn the tide!

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/user/27474914.f5b631e7.160x160o.f6c78faaf102.png (https://www.facebook.com/groups/stop5g)

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://www.facebook.com/groups/stop5g) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 23th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳


Informed_consent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informed_consent) (something the mass brainwashing media loves to ignore).

[ExomatrixTV]

Almost all important systems in our society we depend on are not only hijacked & totally rigged last decades, they also became tools for evil, and our Constitution (https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/constitution-101-course), Bill of Rights (https://www.archives.gov/files/legislative/resources/education/bill-of-rights/images/handout-3.pdf) & Nuremberg Code (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code) were created to prevent that from happening ... but:

Somehow evil succeeded to convince the masses with their "new normal" agenda (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) as something "good", normalizing insanity 24/7 (sacrificing more and more basic rights for their "greater good") <<< and when people believe they are "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" >>> based upon (sophisticated) lies & deceit, there will be a price we all have to pay for people believing these massive scams & schemes.

* Willful ignorance now will certainly not help when there will be a time when the majority finally finds out what really happened when they were sleeping (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism) in a "democracy" waking up in a technocratic (https://technocracy.news) dictatorship run/micromanaged by an immortal dictator (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-) far more powerful than any human tyranny ever was.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120744-Robert-F.-Kennedy-jr.-May-Run-for-Presidency-Challenging-Joe-Biden-2024) is in my opinion far more aware (better informed) of these sophisticated schemes (aka conspiracies) than any other politician ... nobody comes even close to his level of awareness and has the will and the courage to address ALL issues that most do not want to discuss in both parties nor mainstream media.

In my view, the main reason we do not like to be deceived by those who are PROVEN to be deceived is that these so-called: "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" are the reason why Evil can impose new insane unconstitutional laws (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118331-Global-WHO-Treaty-for-Pandemics-with-Digital-ID-and-Digital-Currency&p=1544816&viewfull=1#post1544816) and take away fundamental human rights successfully all to serve "their greater good" based upon (unchallenged) PROVABLE LIES & DECEPTIONS >>> blindly trusted & believed by gullible "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)".


Without this mechanism, Evil would have ZERO CHANCE!

Evil has a symbiotic (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/symbiotic) relationship with gullible "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" <<< and these so-called "good people" do not want to be challenged using all kinds of "guilt tactics" and "counter narratives" spoon-fed to them by among others totally corrupt "fact-checkers" sites. Who still are not held accountable for being provable wrong so many times ... meanwhile millions of people are wrongfully silenced, buried, flagged, shadowbanned, delisted, censored, losing their social media accounts etc. etc.

Having a conspiracy theory is not that different from having a crime theory ... so who exactly benefits if certain crime theories are not further investigated and systematically downplayed & marginalized?

* If a conspiracy is (partly) in the open does not make it any less criminal nor less harmful ...

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://www.facebook.com/groups/Stop5G) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
May 3rd, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

* source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120744-Robert-F.-Kennedy-Jr.-will-run-for-Presidency-Challenging-Joe-Biden-2024&p=1555358&viewfull=1#post1555358)

[thepainterdoug]

Bill Thanks for posting this. i look forward to watching the video. i have always said that democracy is the best of all bad systems
it's not the system that is the problem but rather the human being itself.

Everyday I pass over things , stories, news, revelations, realities, things I hear ,witness and come across with an indifferent deadpan dismissal cause I cannot process any of it anymore with any kind of feeling ,accessibility or common sense attached.

i watched a movie on a tv channel vice. The late night commercials being shown of what people are, what they do, how they look and act and what they are striving for looked like a commercial for the circus . As if the circus and the freak show I used to see as a kid was coming to town. Like Fellini's "La Strada" but now real everyday life

and I look and accept it all with a strange sedated indifference . Add to this, on the journalism blogs and various sites, I see war footage from Ukraine posted with music production, sensational dramatic music as if this is entertainment. As if there is such a glut of excess created electronic music, art, or whatever that it needs to be dumped on top of every second we have to think and process things. The soldiers death is pointless, now, just a number

i don't even believe I can quite hit the target of what I am trying to say . And I feel if i say EXACTLY what I want to say, I will be marred and labeled a title of a grand inaccuracy I will be marked with and unable to undo.
so I will sit and stare mouth agape

[ExomatrixTV]

When they claim "truth is fluid" (wokism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115313-There-s-the-Woke-and-the-In-The-Know)/neo-marxism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115763-American-Marxism) tactics) but at the same time they push their alleged "truths" (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115313-There-s-the-Woke-and-the-In-The-Know) as "unquestionable (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96561-Climate-Change--AKA-Global-Warming--...-is-it-a-scam)" :facepalm:


Part of me understands the psychological concept, but it is a whole different issue the moment they force/push/mandate/make their corrupted "truths" mandatory with HUGE (long term) consequences, especially in a rigged & super fragile "democracy" where counter-narratives are automatically flagged as: "fake news", "disinfo" or "misinfo" without allowing a debate! ... Thus, mass censorship (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-began...) became the "new normal" and still is.



Truth does not fear to be questioned, only lies does!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Bill Ryan]

This other thread may be worth reading. But of course Meritocracy has its own serious issues, many of which are obvious.

The premise, which is totally politically incorrect and as unwoke as one can imagine, is that some people are not well-informed enough to be entitled to vote. (I'd argue that quite strongly, but the remedies are very difficult and a system like that is almost as easy to manipulate and control.)


Meritocracy: an alternative to Democracy? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112812-Meritocracy-an-alternative-to-Democracy&highlight=meritocracy)

[DNA]

For me, personally, the shock comes from the lack of response the indifference by all I come in contact with.
I work at a hotel and do delivery driving part time. I'm in contact with your common man.
People simply don't care.
People are brainwashed.
If you try to talk to people they are triggered.
No one is allowed to talk about anything controversial.
What that really means is no one is allowed to talk about conservative matters.
And if you mention Trump you're getting written up.
But,,, you can talk and or say anything liberal leaning what so ever.

I have witnessed the judicial system attack Trump nonstop for the past six or seven years and I'm not even allowed to talk about it. It's insane!!!!

[Vicus]

Democracy or Republic, which is it? by Benedict D. LaRosa

Years ago I found this little gem, it cleared many things for me... why?
Because what must people don't know, the legal name of Argentina complete is: Republica Argentina.

So, yes, Argentina is a Republic, not a democracy.

Maybe this PDF may or not clarify something for you

https://freedom-school.com/democracy-v-republic.html :sherlock:

Apart from coup de tat from U.S sock puppets across decades (now outdated)
the new attack come from inside the juristic apparatus...when ever not the middle or right win then come whatever crazy stuff from their putrid catalog...
And they control the media too...

Peronismo is not an angel too ( they have links, middle and right factions) BUT
they are the only politic line oppose to dictators.

[norman]

It's not dead, it's buried.

Buried alive.

It's up to us to realise we are seeds.

[happyuk]

The American (and to a large extent, British) system of voting has a serious flaw in it - much of the time the people don't know why they vote the way they do.
The one who gets elected is usually the one who can afford to spend great sums of money to tell the people how good he is, or otherwise has some kind of deep state backing.
The voting system should be based on recognition of the real worth of the candidate, and his accomplishments, not on how much he spends to make his name known.
The greatest scientists, engineers, writers, philosophers and thinkers should be given a strong voice in the selection of the candidates who run for government positions

The wonderful thing about America when compared to almost every other nation on the planet is that everyone has a chance; it has been a "melting pot of nations."
This meritocracy is being eroded and I pray that America never lose her universality where people can think and speak out freely, with no fear of being murdered, imprisoned, destituted or otherwise "cancelled".

[Ernie Nemeth]

Democracy is only as alive as the free speech that protects it. If there are 'hate speech' laws, where certain topics cannot be broached, then democracy under those conditions is dead. If the scientific community are subject to governmental review and sanction, if peaceful protest is outlawed, if the news and social media are censored and policed, if degrading social norms are under attack by the filth and depravity of a fringe group, if mobs of rioters and rogue violent protestors are protected by police while grandmothers are rounded up and held for questioning...then democracy is dead.

When the general public no longer supports free speech and will not protest decaying social values, while tyranny runs rampant, democracy dies an ignoble death.
Those that decry a dead democracy but refuse to support its cause, suffer the abuses they allow to happen in silence - like martyrs to a lost cause.

Tyranny is the birthright of the apathetic.

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Bill for Chris Martenson. Thank you John (Exomatrix) for your more than excellent synthesis and analysis.

Adding two points to the meritocracy idea, which I defend – I prefer to call it aristocracy – in the Greek sense (not “the Royals”): rule by the best.

One. In my professional life I have frequently confronted my students/trainees/clients with difficult music, difficult literature, difficult art, difficult thinking (philosophy).. difficult, but excellent, supreme, brilliant.. “true”/“good”/“beautiful”. Quite often I got protests: “this is very heavy stuff, haven’t you got something more simple, digest (etc.)”. My answer was always: “Only the best is good enough for you”. “How do you know it is the best?” My answer: “ I just know... But: I am not the only one in saying so. People whom I admire say this also. I have learnt from accepting their advice. Now let us start listening/reading/watching/thinking etc.”

Only the greatest quality is good enough for us. We should continuously nourish ourselves with the greatest quality. Every time we feed ourselves with subtop quality we harm ourselves.. (Doug, you are so right about this cruel use of horrible music to underline deeds of war – where every one of the crushed soldiers deserves a long song of sadness and sorrow – a Benjamin Britten War Requiem just for him or her alone. But Doug, stop watching bad movies. Michel, stop watching those few minutes more of any violent and idiotic movie trailer YouTube suddenly confronts you with.)

My students then followed me – I did seem to have that authority – and always changed their initial aversion. They would not necessarily run to the shop to immediately buy Bartok’s Music for Strings or a biography of Paul Klee, but they understood that those works have a deep meaning and would be worth their while to delve into them so as to enrich their bodies, souls and spirits spending some time of their finite life to this honing of their own worth in their own eyes. A Bach cure. A Michelangelo cure. A Spinoza cure. Lessons in admiration.

Point two: often we had discussions about “democracy” and what it means. “Oh, one man one vote”. Really? Actually I think you are right (I am remembering typical dialogues here, and put my own voice out of the quotation marks) – but that is precisely the problem. “What do you mean?“ Not everybody deserves a vote. “What? That is dictatorship!” No, it is not. The people who insist on their right to vote without deserving it are the dictators. “How can that be?” Two things. One. Do you really think that people who almost every day profess that they “are not interested in politics” have the same right as you have who are actively interested in it and try to understand how politics may impact your life? Two. Haven’t you noticed that dictatorial governments arise in democracies because they are elected by people who “are not interested in politics”? “How are you going to change that?” I suggest that votes should be qualified. I do not have an absolute right to have one vote. I have the right to have anything between 0.75 and 1.25 of a vote – and voting will not only collect my voting but also present me with a test of my political interests, and tell me after my vote how much of a vote I obtained. (Big protests. Suddenly everybody was “interested in politics”.)

I fear that the people who are asleep, John, are the ones who “have no interest in politics” and would certainly never want to fight or work to acquire their best possible vote – and it is the "democratic" system which is geared at having precisely their votes, the votes of disinterested and lazy people, and at gradually reducing their interest further. Politicians who are genuinely ambitious to design the best political courses for the genuine common good would be interested in the 1.2 votes and hence would court the approval of those who really want progress for humanity (or as Martenson calls it, a bit naively, “prosperity”).

Alas, because people “who are interested in politics”, like us, like Kennedy Jr., are in the minority, we will not be able to prevail.

That means that it will have to get (much) worse before it can become better indeed. And that worse will involve internecine and civil war, and self-sacrifice.

Maybe the “End Times” will entail that “Christ returns” in the sense that hundreds of millions of people will prefer to drink the cup to its bitter end rather than give up their hunger for the truest, the best and the most beautiful that is “just good enough for them”..

[Tracie (Bodhicee)]

Thank you Bill for Chris Martenson. Thank you John (Exomatrix) for your more than excellent synthesis and analysis.

Adding two points to the meritocracy idea, which I defend – I prefer to call it aristocracy – in the Greek sense (not “the Royals”): rule by the best.

One. In my professional life I have frequently confronted my students/trainees/clients with difficult music, difficult literature, difficult art, difficult thinking (philosophy).. difficult, but excellent, supreme, brilliant.. “true”/“good”/“beautiful”. Quite often I got protests: “this is very heavy stuff, haven’t you got something more simple, digest (etc.)”. My answer was always: “Only the best is good enough for you”. “How do you know it is the best?” My answer: “ I just know... But: I am not the only one in saying so. People whom I admire say this also. I have learnt from accepting their advice. Now let us start listening/reading/watching/thinking etc.”

Only the greatest quality is good enough for us. We should continuously nourish ourselves with the greatest quality. Every time we feed ourselves with subtop quality we harm ourselves.. (Doug, you are so right about this cruel use of horrible music to underline deeds of war – where every one of the crushed soldiers deserves a long song of sadness and sorrow – a Benjamin Britten War Requiem just for him or her alone. But Doug, stop watching bad movies. Michel, stop watching those few minutes more of any violent and idiotic movie trailer YouTube suddenly confronts you with.)

My students then followed me – I did seem to have that authority – and always changed their initial aversion. They would not necessarily run to the shop to immediately buy Bartok’s Music for Strings or a biography of Paul Klee, but they understood that those works have a deep meaning and would be worth their while to delve into them so as to enrich their bodies, souls and spirits spending some time of their finite life to this honing of their own worth in their own eyes. A Bach cure. A Michelangelo cure. A Spinoza cure. Lessons in admiration.

Point two: often we had discussions about “democracy” and what it means. “Oh, one man one vote”. Really? Actually I think you are right (I am remembering typical dialogues here, and put my own voice out of the quotation marks) – but that is precisely the problem. “What do you mean?“ Not everybody deserves a vote. “What? That is dictatorship!” No, it is not. The people who insist on their right to vote without deserving it are the dictators. “How can that be?” Two things. One. Do you really think that people who almost every day profess that they “are not interested in politics” have the same right as you have who are actively interested in it and try to understand how politics may impact your life? Two. Haven’t you noticed that dictatorial governments arise in democracies because they are elected by people who “are not interested in politics”? “How are you going to change that?” I suggest that votes should be qualified. I do not have an absolute right to have one vote. I have the right to have anything between 0.75 and 1.25 of a vote – and voting will not only collect my voting but also present me with a test of my political interests, and tell me after my vote how much of a vote I obtained. (Big protests. Suddenly everybody was “interested in politics”.)

I fear that the people who are asleep, John, are the ones who “have no interest in politics” and would certainly never want to fight or work to acquire their best possible vote – and it is the "democratic" system which is geared at having precisely their votes, the votes of disinterested and lazy people, and at gradually reducing their interest further. Politicians who are genuinely ambitious to design the best political courses for the genuine common good would be interested in the 1.2 votes and hence would court the approval of those who really want progress for humanity (or as Martenson calls it, a bit naively, “prosperity”).

Alas, because people “who are interested in politics”, like us, like Kennedy Jr., are in the minority, we will not be able to prevail.

That means that it will have to get (much) worse before it can become better indeed. And that worse will involve internecine and civil war, and self-sacrifice.

Maybe the “End Times” will entail that “Christ returns” in the sense that hundreds of millions of people will prefer to drink the cup to its bitter end rather than give up their hunger for the truest, the best and the most beautiful that is “just good enough for them”..

Such a lucid, poignant post, thank you.:rose:

Sadly, I think the general collective has been bewildered into apathy, exhaustion, a type of waking sleep and downright madness by deep, existential and deliberately engineered chronic trauma.

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[Vicus]

Professor Alexander Fraser Tyler, writing when the states were still colonies of Great Britain, explained why democracies (today democrazy) always fail...

A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. (today the largess steaming pile of WOKE...)

From that moment on the majority always vote for the candidate promising the most benefits(give me give me...Obamawanka) from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy,(how many trillions today?) (plus save Ukronazia, slava banana) always to be followed by a Dictatorship.

If you still need more... check my first post.

[shaberon]

I don't think it ever started, since most of these regimes are republics.

Exceptions may be Vermont and Switzerland.

Neither way works except in a community of like-minded moral individuals. Those two places are small. The Swiss somehow manage to stave off most of the Protestant and Catholic rivalry widespread in Europe. The next closest thing was probably Franz Josef who was an Emperor.

If "democracy" means "overthrow monarchy" then it is actually Communism, or, that is, modern communism. To "fight communism" you would install a monarch.

France is rather more interesting, since, apparently, you can't just register to vote, Citizen is an acquired status higher than Man. I am not sure how many other countries follow the French model. Anyone with experience in these places could provide valuable insight.

Secondly, here, anyway, we have an appointed State Department, whereas almost all other countries just have an elected Foreign Minister. Exactly how our "checks and balances" work between State and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee would be telling.

That is why I tend to call the objectionable political cartel Capitalism. It not just straddles parties, but, is oblivious to the form of government, and is mostly characterized by manipulation and deceit, rather than a given political platform. Any means of the rich thriving over the poor.

Because America is a "melting pot", that is why it is not a nation, it does not have a culture, it specifically devours and digests them.

The first way to be manipulated less is to defend a national culture, such as Kurdish or Welsh. To see through the Russian lens, you expect that you will always have some 5% criminal element, but this means that such forces are "effectively" contained, as it is not enough to hold power. However once you are up to about 15% falsehood then you do have powerful gangs who are able to exploit others. You do have confusion and disinformation and power slips, and, a relatively small minority can decimate a much greater unprepared number.

The idea is less that you have to implant a camera on every person and show up with a gun as soon as something doesn't look right, but to try to contain the rogue 5%.

Money isn't everything once we see that the private bunkers that the fantastically wealthy do own, are places where they turn around and live in the paranoia of how to keep their own security force from revolting.

Short of that, yes, we have been told that money doesn't care about the kind of government, by Capitalists.

The whole idea of where we draw the property lines, and who gets to say what about the policies, is really difficult.

Humans cannot compare to animals, not so much because of intelligence and hands--which just produce fancy bird nests and beaver dams--but because of the long term of pregnancy which produces a helpless infant which is in a delicate state for a very long time.

What you need is the best way of doing that.

If that is not what is shaping the policies, chances are nothing good will come out of it.

[happyuk]

A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. (today the largess steaming pile of WOKE...)


Nailed it. When a nation (ab)uses their voting privileges to obtain things the country cannot afford, coupled with politicians who (deplorably) oblige them in order to get into or stay in office, then that is what rots your civilization. Everyone wants money, but many people would rather not have to work in exchange for it. Man is always hoping to get something for nothing, and in my own strong opinion when he does, a spiritual law is broken.

I am not a political animal; my domain is and always will be spirituality. My gut feeling is that through her good qualities America will escape the worst of the calamities of other nations - but will experience their share of misery and poverty just the same. The emphasis now is on spending and on increasing taxation. When the false prosperity collapses, there will be millions unemployed. Many (most?) are now living in blissful oblivion, unaware of any impending emergency.

[JackMcThorn]

I'm sort of a man without a country. I've turned my back on america in September of 2o18. I owe Ireland a great debt and I have no say here either. The business of governments does not appeal to me. Governments will do as they will regardless of what the 'losers' voted. Think about that for a second. If you happen to be on the right side of the vote, are you now responsible for the winning government? This itself is a travesty of accountability. Imagine a world, where the government screws up; and the voters are held accountable. Or in the case of a republic federal elections, the electoral college is held accountable.

It is a good feeling not being able to vote. I no longer have to choose a lessor of two or more evils. I can keep myself informed at my leisure. Some will say the benefit of voting is the 'right to complain'. This so-called right lacks appeal as well. Does the winning government care about the voice of the losers and their uncanny ability to complain about the current state of affairs? Not one bit. Complaining is a colossal waste of time, in any event.

They call it apathy when people do not vote. For me, it is a conscious decision not to care too much about government. It wasn't always like this. In my youth, I did care and I did vote. I found myself with the winner sometimes and with the loser sometimes. But nothing really changed. Except, I did change.

Churchill is attributed to saying something along the lines that "The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter." But he was beholden to royalty who invented one of the first so-called democracies in the world, in a manner of distancing the royals from a dissenting and possibly violent in numbers, public. Kind of 'make them feel like they have a say'. What about a 5 minute conversation with the non-voter? There is about as many of them as there are actual voters.

What I experience is a form of Liberty. I am not beholden to anyone politically. Ireland can still send me back; but I will enjoy the rest of my time here; however much longer.

All of these silly governments are going to persist until we think of real solutions and theories do not count.

Vote with your feet, it will provide you with maximum satisfaction. [In my opinion, of course.]

[thepainterdoug]

happyuk said /I am not a political animal; my domain is and always will be spirituality. My gut feeling is that through her good qualities America will escape the worst of the calamities of other nations -

Thanks for reminding me. art creativity and spirituality is my domain.

Michel/ im sorry, I love bad movies


Bill I watched the video ,I made it to about 12 minutes before I wanted to jump out the window.
i dont know how anyone could do that job.

[Delight]

I have been quite disappointed by the way I expected "we" would be progressing along the lines of living the golden rule and extending simple human kindness as a whole. That sucks.

[DNA]

For all those who say their focus is spiritual rather than political, Moloch thanks you.

Maybe folks haven't gotten the message yet but we are engaged in a spiritual war right now.

There is no where safe. No where to run.
Western civilization is the first target and this attack won't stop until third world countries look like heaven by comparison.

[Delight]

For all those who say their focus is spiritual rather than political, Moloch thanks you.

Maybe folks haven't gotten the message yet but we are ingaged in a spiritual war right now.

There is no where safe. No where to run.
Western civilization is the first target and this attack won't stop until third world countries look like heaven by comparison.

One of the benefits to being 100% disillusioned by every possible narrative, one changes into embracing the woowoo reality version one chooses out of every possible representation. This is maya.

The evidence of so much I refuse to accept has turned me inward. My woowoo now is that I use imaginary processes to create my reality. I have heard about fierce surrender to one's soul. One absolutley gives up alliegence to any heard POV. One uncovers one's own "society". Truth is never the content and truth is real. Live the truth one knows in ones heart. Stop feeding the machine with one's beliefs in just anything except what one chooses to BE. Why not? We have seen the myriad rabbit holes all leading out to infinity. Follow them forever and never get to the bottom. The bottm is absolutley in us. It is the bedrock we create from our ethos and our relationship to Intelligent Infinity that is Our surce.

My narrative is that I am living in a world that has repudiated evil. We had an NDE and met the other side and we are renewed by a tsunami of LOVE. Now we are in the after wards of effects from our Universal NDE exerience. Now, from this newstate,where we have become conscious of who we are all tgether, we will never be without the relationship of LOVE itself. IMO politics and all the systems are dead. Life moves us. RE Connection from spirit planes to the material is a new bedrock. We have leveled up......

From here, no government but Self goverened. This is my world. I have freewill to choose where I AM. CHOOSE YOUR WORLD. IMO this is the crux of the matter. Mind is the builder. Be disillusioned by what we "believedin" so we will choose what we AUTHENTICALLY value. Our hearts all love being the author writing the poem of love now. Don't forget that this is a process.

[Pris]

.
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Democracy means "rule by the mob". Presently, the sheeple mob ("useful idiots") has been steered and brainwashed to be a pawn for the globalist Mafia mob -- a pawn used to prevent any populist uprising. How has Democracy EVER been a good thing? It's far too easy to manipulate the masses using Democracy. If it's dead, good riddance.



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[DNA]

One of the benefits to being 100% disillusioned by every possible narrative, one changes into embracing the woowoo reality version one chooses out of every possible representation. This is maya.

Our situation is not abstract.

Globalists have controlled and subverted mainstream culture for the last 60 years or so.
Why?
Why start the music of the sixties in Lauryl Canyon California promoting drugs, alcohol and indiscriminate sex with many partners?
The Beatles and Rolling Stones were products of the Tavistock Institute tasked with doing the same thing. When Paul McCartney described how and why his band was created and put together he states in his Memoirs of Billy Shears that John Lennon said the reason was,
"To subvert Christianity".
Why?
Say what you will about Christianity but you can't argue this.
Christianity at it's base is about impulse control.
A society that has no impulse control is a pretty easy society to subvert and destroy.


The Globalists are telling us what they want to do. Read the transcripts of the World Economic Forum.
They are going to take away our ability to heat ourselves.
They have pretty much already done this in Europe and they are in the process of this in the USA.
They are going to have rolling black outs and energy outages all across Europe and the USA.
They are attacking global food supplies right now.
The Wheat of Ukraine and Russia is not being allowed on the open market due to UN sanctions. The IMF just issued a warning that food prices will be going up and everyone will see a profound increase. The response to this from India was to announce that they would be exporting no rice in the coming year.

Food production across the United States is being hampered by the attacks on Food Production plants or rather the food production plants have just burned to the ground in the last year and a half to the tune of about 30 factories according to the MSM.

They are immunizing cattle and pigs right now with Covid-19 gene altering jabs doing who knows what to that meat and milk.

The population as a whole is suffering from those jabs as well. And we are yet to see the horrific fall out from that.

The United States seems eager to start WW3 which it has no business doing what so ever. And will surely suffer horrible retribution for doing so.
But,,,,that is of course planned as such.

Europe is a fire keg, loaded with Muslim refugees who were never refugees but rather Trojan Horse provacatuers awaiting their orders.

The USA has a open border with the same rushing in everyday.

What I say sounds horrible, who would do such a thing?
It doesn't make sense.
I'll tell you who.
Moloch worshipping satanists who have willingly or been tricked into doing things so horrible it compromised their resistance to possession , the resistance given to all God born entities can be strengthened through acts of selflessness and love or lost and weakened to the point of losing the natural resistance to possession.
What we have left are people in power possessed by inter-dimensional entities who want the population of earth decimated.
Who dance with glee at the prospect.
Moloch is more a race of inter-dimensional entities in my opinion, summoned through horrible acts of murder/sacrifice that weaken the practioner of which to being capable of a possession by a inter-dimensional race.

[I am B]

After a yet another pointless spanish general election yesterday, the subject stays fresh.

I won't spend my time discussing what works or what doesn't, the whole thing is fundamentaly crooked.

If you have to play a game, but the game is rigged aganist you, what do you do? For me there are only two logical options, stop playing and forget about it, or take the playing desk and break it. Trying to fix a game that you didn't create is pointless, same as even discussing it.

Learn to live without a government, so whatever there is won't be a problem for you.

[Bill Ryan]

Huh...?? :facepalm: :ROFL:

Higher Military Spending Will Save Democracy, Says NY Times

https://zerohedge.com/geopolitical/higher-military-spending-will-save-democracy-says-ny-times (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/higher-military-spending-will-save-democracy-says-ny-times)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Western demoncrazy, I mean democracy, is a sham and always has been.

It thrives on toadyism, cronyism, embezzlement, corruption, and running interference to protect hidden interests.

It's no better than a secret mafia, where progression is determined by vassalage/loyalty to certain vested interests, including financial (central banks), ancestral (royal or elevated bloodlines), and the pseudo-spiritual (sects, cults, and secret societies). They trade in the currency of SECRETS and ILLUSIONS, and under the table weapons, drugs, and dirty money (and maybe other awful things, eg trafficking).

That maybe not what democracy is on paper, but it's what its become in reality. But you can't really say it works on paper either, not when 51% of the people hold power (so say), and 49% are oppressed.

For democracy to work in any real sense it MUST have an awake and fully informed populace - on every single issue of state. In reality, those people are party to only a tiny percentage of what's going on in the corridors of power. This renders the word 'democracy' pretty much VOID.

That's been democracy's greatest trick though. Hiding behind the word itself. After all it isn't one of those nasty words like communism or tyranny -- democracy is a nice, fluffy, friendly word, it means everything fair, good and true. I think most people if you asked them wouldn't be able to define it, much less tell you how it works (and how it fails).

A dynasty of corrupt, greedy Emperors destroyed Rome - and its Constitutional Republic - in a single generation, and in the process cancelled all the checks and balances (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers#Checks_and_balances) for a fair, just system, one of the people and controlled by the people. That, in my view, was the beginning of the New World Order - the New Democracy. All that happened after Rome was that the Emperors went underground.

[thepainterdoug]

with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?

[norman]

with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?

Only partly in jest, "His Kingdom".

[JackMcThorn]

with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?

Local governments such as towns and cities, maybe counties could prevail without state and federal entities. If you have a federal entity it should only handle national defence and some legal matters; including care of the elderly or disabled. There would be no voting. Candidates would be selected from a variety of criteria -mostly experience and not necessarily heavy in educational pursuits as some great managers do not have extensive education. They would be called to duty for a few years and return to their regular vocations following their dutiful service. They would have fitness reports every 6 months subject to continue their duty. They would learn to operate within practical budgets and would not serve long enough for pensions to be an issue.

The kind of government I wish to see is the least amount of government possible. I do not want to spend my time chasing reckless and unqualified officials. I do not want the government to do what the private sector does better and cheaper. I do not wish to decipher the intentions of a two-party or multiple-party systems. I would have no problem with a set of taxes that are sensible for a practical local budget and defence.

You might say I am too much of an idealist and you are probably right. But I also think there might be a future without the use of currency, and such a future will topple governments altogether.

[Paul D.]

with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?
Coincidentally I read someone today who was advocating a system of societal order from natural parenthood & elders only , as that would be based on love & not rule by some assumed authority , which they say is inherently fascist .
I've always considered myself an anarchist really & this theory at first sight works well with that .

[T Smith]

Of course Martenson is spot on and so very articulate and intelligent cutting through the politicization and brainwashing undergirding this issue. As DNA points out above, that's a TALL order and an extremely difficult task--arguably an integral component of the psyop itself---even among the most learned, patient, non-politicized, and skilled communicators among us.

The rest of us can only yell from the rooftops... "Hey, they're killing and enslaving US ALL while we argue in a state of rabid hypnosis about digging our own graves! Don't you see what's going on here? Don't you see we shovel-mates are the ones whacking each other over the heads and pushing each other into that big hole we just unearthed? Can't you see they are cajoling us to a self-inflicted demise while the next shift unknowingly carries on?!"

To which the only reply back is, "RACIST! TRANSPHOBE! WHITE SUPREMICIST!" It really is a fascinating magic trick to mind control an entire species of thinking, often intelligent people... especially to the end of their own demise.

Martenson: "...many of you have come to this (epiphany) sooner.... it's just a process...." He genuinely seemed agitated by a sort of realization that thrust his paradigm of understanding to an entirely new level for him.

So the only one thing I might say Chris was a little off on was with the title of his podcast's RIP date... As far as I can tell, democracy hasn't had a heartbeat long before 2023. That said, his words do give me hope that there is some demographic (smarter and more aware than I :) ) still arriving at a new level of understanding and to the gravity of exactly what is going on. Chris may have been focused on the up/down vector up until this juncture (which is fine if one does not want to engage in the often feckless pursuit of continually politicizing the truth), but at some point every critical thinker (IMHO) needs to break through the hypnosis of their own politicalization bias/programing and recognize the politicalization of the truth is the cornerstone of the con/psyop afoot here, and we must engage the (at-present anyway) right/left vector in a meaningful way if any from of inalienable human rights are to survive.

[Bill Ryan]

with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?Doug, this isn't a direct answer to your excellent question, but I might offer the view that it's not the imperfect system that's rotten, it's the people controlling and manipulating it. With those same people in power and influence, any other system would be corrupted in the same way.

I feel I have to be careful here in what I say, but I'm pretty sure the entire thing has to come down. All the many predictions, visions, and prophecies (as well as personal 'messages' from unseen sources) — all of them! — state that things will get worse before they get better. That feels pretty true to me.

How much worse, I don't know. No-one does. But it might get pretty bad. Not just in terms of the breakdown of society and all its norms, but also law and order, the financial system, supply chains (including food and energy, the two key items), and maybe a large-scale kinetic world war. Throw in a few natural disasters as well, and that's pretty much the end of many aspects of everyday life as we've become accustomed to expect it to be every day.

Some countries and areas would fare a lot better than others. But regarding the US, Canada and Europe, I think only very few people truly understand how precarious and dire the entire situation is.

Everything is breaking. Nothing at all is sustainable. National projects and programs are almost all based on flawed premises, in turn based on equally flawed ideologies. Just look. With eyes wide open, it's all there to see.

The way this all connects with the issue of democracy is that citizens are meant to be able to vote bad leaders out of office and choose new ones. But that doesn't work — and hasn't worked for decades.

The people who COULD maybe fix it all — highly intelligent, highly educated, politically unaffiliated, totally ethical and incorruptible people, the exceptional best of the best (and these people do exist) — who in some parallel reality might work together in large, empowered, action-oriented international think tanks with no political donors or sponsors in sight — don't go anywhere near politics, definitely don't want to, and probably couldn't even if they chose to.

They present themselves on alt media videos instead. Like Chris Martenson, and Alexander Mercouris or Doug Macgregor, Tucker Carlson or Tulsi Gabbard. (There are many many others, of course, including in other countries and in other languages.)

They have their own networks of well-informed kindred spirits, and an audience of a few million people: just a tiny proportion of the world's population. But they have little or no real influence of any kind in the so called Halls of Power. Even most hard-working regular folk have no time to watch, listen to or read the kind of material that everyone reading this post will do very regularly. Most are only dimly aware that this alternative-viewpoint world even exists.

As a tiny example of how genuinely good people almost never reach any real positions of influence, look how many well-intentioned candidates we hear about every year who valiantly try to stand for (e.g) the US Senate, or Congress, or other positions of office where they might get elected. (In the UK or the EU, maybe Members of Parliament.) But they almost never stand a chance.

'From Log Cabin to White House' died its death over 150 years ago.

Democracy just does not work. The price the western world will surely pay for that may be enormous. We think it's all happening slowly (though increasingly less so!) — but in historical terms, seen in the context of man's journey over the last 2500 years, it's all happening VERY VERY fast now. Within just a single decade, the entire world might be totally different in a whole bunch of ways.

:flower:

[Mari]

with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?Doug, this isn't a direct answer to your excellent question, but I might offer the view that it's not the imperfect system that's rotten, it's the people controlling and manipulating it. With those same people in power and influence, any other system would be corrupted in the same way.

I feel I have to be careful here in what I say, but I'm pretty sure the entire thing has to come down. All the many predictions, visions, and prophecies (as well as personal 'messages' from unseen sources) — all of them! — state that things will get worse before they get better. That feels pretty true to me.

How much worse, I don't know. No-one does. But it might get pretty bad. Not just in terms of the breakdown of society and all its norms, but also law and order, the financial system, supply chains (including food and energy, the two key items), and maybe a large-scale kinetic world war. Throw in a few natural disasters as well, and that's pretty much the end of many aspects of everyday life as we've become accustomed to expect it to be every day.

Some countries and areas would fare a lot better than others. But regarding the US, Canada and Europe, I think only very few people truly understand how precarious and dire the entire situation is.

Everything is breaking. Nothing at all is sustainable. National projects and programs are almost all based on flawed premises, in turn based on equally flawed ideologies. Just look. With eyes wide open, it's all there to see.

The way this all connects with the issue of democracy is that citizens are meant to be able to vote bad leaders out of office and choose new ones. But that doesn't work — and hasn't worked for decades.

The people who COULD maybe fix it all — highly intelligent, highly educated, politically unaffiliated, totally ethical and incorruptible people, the exceptional best of the best (and these people do exist) — who in some parallel reality might work together in large, empowered, action-oriented international think tanks with no political donors or sponsors in sight — don't go anywhere near politics, definitely don't want to, and probably couldn't even if they chose to.

They present themselves on alt media videos instead. Like Chris Martenson, and Alexander Mercouris or Doug Macgregor, Tucker Carlson or Tulsi Gabbard. (There are many many others, of course, including in other countries and in other languages.)

They have their own networks of well-informed kindred spirits, and an audience of a few million people: just a tiny proportion of the world's population. But they have little or no real influence of any kind in the so called Halls of Power. Even most hard-working regular folk have no time to watch, listen to or read the kind of material that everyone reading this post will do very regularly. Most are only dimly aware that this alternative-viewpoint world even exists.

As a tiny example of how genuinely good people almost never reach any real positions of influence, look how many well-intentioned candidates we hear about every year who valiantly try to stand for (e.g) the US Senate, or Congress, or other positions of office where they might get elected. (In the UK or the EU, maybe Members of Parliament.) But they almost never stand a chance.

'From Log Cabin to White House' died its death over 150 years ago.

Democracy just does not work. The price the western world will surely pay for that may be enormous. We think it's all happening slowly (though increasingly less so!) — but in historical terms, seen in the context of man's journey over the last 2500 years, it's all happening VERY VERY fast now. Within just a single decade, the entire world might be totally different in a whole bunch of ways.

:flower:



Totally agree that the entire thing has to come down. And it will. The whole edifice of 'democracy' was created in order to convince the population that we are 'free'. Why would you try to break out of a prison if you couldn't see the bars? Just give us a bit of 'freedom' and enough mind-numbing toys/drugs to convince us we are 'freeee' to prevent us from questioning too closely.
We have to completely get away from any idea of being 'governed' Why do we have to be 'governed'? Oh yes, it's for our greater good......for god's sake we might do something stupid like run amok , think freely and wont he able to 'function' without being told what to do, where to do it and how, though I can think of many people who absolutely love their slavery and look to institutions for permission to do things in their everyday lives. The Church, anyone?

Agree with Bill and others, that it's going to get much worse before it turns around. It has to. There has to be the shock of the rug being pulled, the scenery collapsing. Because the majority of people are not spiritually mature enough to realise just how powerful the human race is, it's going to be painful, but it's a lesson that has been a long time coming.
The 'unseen forces' that can see future timelines do assure us that we CAN do this and we will prevail (it's in our evolutionary destiny)

There's been talk of an 'event' that will happen 'soon' (don't shoot the messenger!) to 'help' us, but whatever you may think of this (and I don't means aliens inviting us up for ride :waving:) I do sense that something will happen that'll shock out of our apathy and steer us towards knowing our true divinity and inherent power. It'll be the cosmic leg-up. I can't see the human race ever waking up without this assistance. This will happen either just before, after or perhaps in the middle of the 'collapse', making for some very interesting times ahead! :nod:

[happyuk]

with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?

I see no future with governments and their 'isms' right now.

I think the time is ripe to start now building colonies and stop industrially selfish nations and societies from gambling with our destinies. Get away from the perpetual slavery of holding full-time jobs until the last day of your life. Buy farms or smallholdings or land and settle down with harmonious friends. Reject consumerism. Have time to live a spiritual life and constructively exchange experiences.

As an initial thought experiment, and I'm not sure how pragmatic this would be: let a group of men each gather from between 50 to 150 (?) thousand dollars and, in groups of thirty to forty, let them build a self-sustaining, self-governing colonies. How about starting with California? Do not spend the principal of the money, except what's necessary to buy the land and start the colony. Put the remainder into S&P 500 index funds or similar. Pay taxes and expenses from the dividends and produce only the necessities of life and renouncing luxuries.

Such a life would enable each member to associate with those who share the same spiritual and idealistic goals. They would be places where people would gather for commonly-held, high-minded purposes, and not just for economic or for political reasons. I think they would act an effective balance to governmental centralization and interference, and to a great extent relieve the governments of the world of the burden of caring for the sick and the aged; such communities naturally tend to look after their own.

Such communities need not necessarily be isolated from the rest of the world, as they used to be in the days of slow bullock-cart transportation and before the availability of telecommunications; they would form a vital microcosm, and would reach out to to the wider world in a spirit of cooperation.

Such a community I think could hardly be developed widely at first, nor would it be practical in the middle of a major city, but through this experience on a small scale rural experiments first.

[Mari]

with all thats been said, knowing the state of the human being today , will anyone advocate what form of government they feel could possibly work today?

I see no future with governments and their 'isms' right now.

I think the time is ripe to start now building colonies and stop industrially selfish nations and societies from gambling with our destinies. Get away from the perpetual slavery of holding full-time jobs until the last day of your life. Buy farms or smallholdings or land and settle down with harmonious friends. Reject consumerism. Have time to live a spiritual life and constructively exchange experiences.

As an initial thought experiment, and I'm not sure how pragmatic this would be: let a group of men gather from between 50 to 150 (?) thousand dollars and, in groups of thirty to forty, let them build a self-sustaining, self-governing colonies. How about starting with California? Do not spend the principal of the money, except what's necessary to buy the land and start the colony. Put the remainder into S&P 500 index funds or similar. Pay taxes and expenses from the dividends and produce only the necessities of life and renouncing luxuries.

Such a life would enable each member to associate with those who share the same spiritual and idealistic goals. They would be places where people would gather for commonly-held, high-minded purposes, and not just for economic or for political reasons. I think they would act an effective balance to governmental centralization and interference, and to a great extent relieve the governments of the world of the burden of caring for the sick and the aged; such communities naturally tend to look after their own.

Such communities need not necessarily be isolated from the rest of the world, as they used to be in the days of slow bullock-cart transportation and telecommunication; they would form a vital microcosm, and would reach out to to the wider world in a spirit of cooperation.

Such a community I think could hardly be developed widely at first, nor would it be practical in the middle of a major city, but through this experience on a small scale rural experiments first.



Has anyone heard of this idea:

https://www.onesmalltown.org/

Its based on the ideal of Contributionism. Admittedly it's been slow to get off the ground globally, and maybe it's time hasn't yet come, but I think it surely will...this is the way to go, I feel.

[ExomatrixTV]

What exactly have we learned last 3 years about the:

01. insane (pushed) wokism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115313-Some-are-Woke-but-others-are-Truly-Aware)
02. insane (pushed) cancel culture (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-continues...)
03. insane (pushed) climate hysteria (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115447-Climate-Lockdowns-are-Coming--Agenda2030--Predicted-by-Conspiracy-Researchers-)
04. insane (pushed) tunnel vision narrative about Nato-Ukraine-Russia Proxy War (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia)
05. insane (pushed) covid hysteria (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116428-30-Covid-Facts-Sheet-A-collection-of-all-the-arguments-you--ll-ever-need) lockdowns mandates face-masks social distancing etc. etc.
06. insane (pushed) mass experimental mRNA injections (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113668-Vaccination-Injuries-On-Record-for-Covid19) with tons of adverse "side effects" which ARE the effects!
07. insane (pushed) farmers environment regulations (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118943-Dutch-Farmers-Fighting-Back-Against-Government-s-Green-Agenda-Connected-to-WEF) "green agenda" global induced food crisis etc. etc.
08. insane (pushed) "energy transition (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115447-Climate-Lockdowns-are-Coming--Agenda2030--Predicted-by-Conspiracy-Researchers-)" (NetZero2050 & Agenda2030 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset)) causing extreme inflation!
09. insane (pushed) rigged elections (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119662-FIRST-ARREST-True-The-Vote-2000-Mules-2020-election-theft-evidence-movie-and-The-Pit--election-fraud-research-group--now-has-bagged-big-arrest)
10. insane (pushed) ... etc. etc. >>> the list of: "new normal normalizing insanity" is much longer ...

Do you really think that those who are behind all (or some of) the above will "change their ways" when they introduce "universal basic income"? ... Hell No! ... it only makes it much easier for them to go to the next level of global tyranny!

And yes those who obey (willfully comply) and those who are part of this (evil) dehumanizing system will feel very cozy & nice! ... They will not see the problem because everything is done "for the greater good (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset)" for "the great narrative (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum)" and they really think you are "crazy" to openly criticize anything I just mentioned >>> meanwhile defending total insanity defying all common sense & logic.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳


source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism)

[Franny]

A few quotes about control from above:


Globalists have controlled and subverted mainstream culture for the last 60 years or so.


I might offer the view that it's not the imperfect system that's rotten, it's the people controlling and manipulating it. With those same people in power and influence, any other system would be corrupted in the same way.


To which the only reply back is, "RACIST! TRANSPHOBE! WHITE SUPREMICIST!" It really is a fascinating magic trick to mind control an entire species of thinking, often intelligent people... especially to the end of their own demise.

I think this is a slightly abbreviated version of the original video from Darren Brown of the Birthday Present. It shows in a few minutes how a master NLP manipulator can replace a thought in this man's mind in minutes. DB even tells the man what he is doing. The birthday man's mind is changed in such a way he does not remember or care about the item he originally wanted, even when he sees the proof.

A friend told me recently that he knew global warming was absolutely true and I know there is not a thing I can say or show him that will change his mind. He has no idea there are control systems in place and unquestioningly accepts what he is told. He even says the government can lie but still he believes and obeys. I mentioned a quote by Thomas Sowell, "if you think your government cares about you, you don't know history." He agreed, but still believes and obeys. This is the status for so very many people.

Humans are easily controlled when one knows how and it can be brought to bear in any system; religious, educational, political or otherwise. Systems are very useful to the controllers, they don't really care much what we believe. As long as we believe in a system, it can be a mechanism thorough which we can be controlled.

YMropN6ft4Y

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I do agree that we the people have the power to change things. The potential power at any rate. The greatest impediment to actually getting anything done though is the billions of sleeping masses – not governments. Without everyone falling in, and being on the same page, I don't see a way forward.

What's required, first, is an expansion of consciousness worldwide. For some people, maybe just the appearance of consciousness. As I feel that in the last maybe twenty years the great majority, young and old, have actually regressed in awareness. Behaviour modification, psychological warfare, vaccines - call it what you will. But so many now seem to live without attention or comprehension, existing on some primitive, automatic level, commanded by urges, driven by emotion.

They've got not a single clue about almost anything.

I believe Mari is correct: short of some mass awakening event or catalyst, that shakes this majority out of their slumber, or frees them from their brainwashing, I don't see a reset, or any kind of positive change.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I think this is a slightly abbreviated version of the original video from Darren Brown of the Birthday Present. It shows in a few minutes how a master NLP manipulator can replace a thought in this man's mind in minutes. DB even tells the man what he is doing. The birthday man's mind is changed in such a way he does not remember or care about the item he originally wanted, even when he sees the proof.
YMropN6ft4Y

I don't buy that personally. That's Simon Pegg, he was Scotty in the new Star Trek films among many other big titles - he's an actor so this smells of a set up. Either that or he's is a weak-minded fool. That's not to say the power of suggestion doesn't work, it can and does on many, but it takes time and repetition to pull off.

I think I can safely say it wouldn't work on the majority of us. We here are free, critical thinkers. Our awareness is a natural firewall against manipulation.

That's not without its drawbacks actually...

For example, I find it almost impossible to get hypnotised! Over the years I've tried multiple methods and therapists (seeking a past-life regression) - and none could put me under, not even slightly (to their great exasperation!) My only success came with a quantum healer, trained by Dolores Cannon herself. Even then it took her an unprecedented full hour to put me in a 'light' trance.

[grapevine]

Just out of interest, here's a link to Wikipedia's List of Forms of Government:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_forms_of_government
As you can see, there are many, and if you hold your cursor over any of them you'll get a brief description.

None of them would work well because we're individuals, and that phrase about pleasing some of the people some of the time springs to mind.

To experience first hand why any form of government doesn't work, look no further than becoming a member of a Tenant's Management Committee. I have :facepalm: and I'd rather be strapped to a scud missile and fired into the Thames than do so ever again. There's endless discussion about the most trivial matters and it's virtually impossible to agree any form of action. Unbelievably frustrating.

Interestingly, the list of forms of government doesn't include an Egalitarian Society, where everyone is considered equal, regardless of gender, race, religion, or age. There's no class system in an egalitarian society but relatively equal access to income and wealth. According to Google, the country with the most egalitarian society is Norway. Coincidentally Norway is considered to be the best country in the world to live. Anyone here from Norway who can vouch for it?

[Bill Ryan]

A perfectly timely article on Zero Hedge: a warning from Carl Sagan. My red emphasis is below.


https://zerohedge.com/markets/watch-carl-sagan-issues-prescient-warning-authoritarian-science-grave

"Combustible Mixture Of Ignorance & Power" - Carl Sagan Warned 'Authoritarian Science' Would "Blow Up In Our Faces"

The late astronomer Carl Sagan, who perhaps understood the unique threat of technocracy as well as anyone ever has, has emerged from the grave with a prescient warning on the dangers we are wading into unchecked.

https://twitter.com/OMGTheMess/status/1681079211136786432
1681079211136786432
“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology in which nobody understands anything about science and technology,” Sagan says. “And this combustible mixture of ignorance and power, sooner or later, is going to blow up in our faces.”

“I mean, who is running the science and technology in a democracy if the people don’t know anything about it?” he asks rhetorically.

(...the article continues (https://zerohedge.com/markets/watch-carl-sagan-issues-prescient-warning-authoritarian-science-grave)...)

[ExomatrixTV]

PROPAGANDA - They Showed This To High School Kids In 1948! Would They Allow This Today?

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Despotism 1946:

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Both videos warn about what kind of "Government" you may experience!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[shaberon]

Maybe folks haven't gotten the message yet but we are engaged in a spiritual war right now.

Western civilization is the first target and this attack won't stop until third world countries look like heaven by comparison.



Well, yes, in the sense that all that can be identified as "Western" is un-civilized Anti-Christianity.

It is in Aristotle and Alexander the Great, the early Popes, the fall of Rome, and it is something most of the world wishes had never started. Viz., Gandhi, what do you think of western civilization?


"I think it would be a good idea".


Yes, it is a target, and the possibility of that changing is none.

Not aimed at "the western people", of course, but to the authorities and institutions.

With perhaps a few exceptions, such as the Treaty of Westphalia or the reign of Franz Ferdinand, have there ever been any symptoms of success of a "civilized" Europe or United States? Hard to find.

[thepainterdoug]

Bill. I tend to feel your right. And Im quite saddened to have to agree and realize this. And in reading various other comments, I feel a resignation.
I actually feel the only way out of this is by way of Trump and the so called white hats that some have fun with here. I dont blame them, its all hard to believe we are at this point.
But its really not hard for me to imagine how it all got here. Man has an evil side he must hide. And though that evil co exists with the good, the good is in harmony for most all, but the evil is only good for some.

A beautiful family has a child that some evil person wants and takes. And then that has to be hidden. And then that becomes a bargining position against the good in the world. The good are easy to get over on by the evil. Blackmail, coercion, bribery and so on runs the world . Its just the way it is.

All man can do is buy time in between their governments.
I hope and pray the white hats overcome these criminals and restore a just world. As silly as it may sound , thats where Im at.
Regardless, we will all be heading home soon anyhow.

[ExomatrixTV]

"they try to FORCE me into silence.." with Jordan Peterson:

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"they try to FORCE me into silence.." with Jordan Peterson message strange truth world news current events july 2023 today this week this month motivation

Jordan Peterson has fearlessly peeled back layers upon layers of deception, exposing the puppet masters, orchestrating the grand scheme. Get ready to have your mind blown as we uncover the shocking truth behind this system of ideas and their nefarious plans to reshape our world.

Jordan Peterson is a renowned Canadian clinical psychologist, cultural critic, and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. In this video, Jordan Peterson explains how radical ideologies are spreading through society by weaponizing concepts like social justice and equity to disguise the unholy alliance of corporations promoting diminished freedom and standards of living for average people. Get ready to have your mind blown as we uncover the shocking truth behind the system of ideas and their nefarious plans to reshape our world.

Have you ever felt like there's a hidden agenda behind the chaos and confusion of our times? Are you tired of being told what to think and believe? Well, you are not alone.

[Antagenet]

It would be much more relaxing to feel resigned. Instead I feel increasingly pissed off.
It seems clear to me that one group of psychopaths have most of the control.
https://gtvflyers.com/

[rgray222]

Antagenet, you are out of line. Your post clearly states that every aspect of every problem in the world (see below) is virtually the result of Jews. I am not Jewish and I have no skin in this argument but when I see something so hate-filled and so out of line I feel it must be called out.

COVID
Slavery
Abortion
Guns
Satanism
Pornography
Penis Sucking (not joking, see below)
LBGTQ Movement
Biden Administration
Trump Campaign Funding
Mass Immigration
Ukraine
911
Federal Reserve
Communism
Child Murdering Pedophiles
Feminism


It would be much more relaxing to feel resigned. Instead, I feel increasingly pissed off.
It seems clear to me that one group of psychopaths has most of the control.
https://gtvflyers.com/

The link you referenced is a site that distributes hate flyers. After reading through the info it appears to me that it is most likely some young man who considers himself a victim and he prints and sells these flyers from the basement of his mother's home. He states the following.

A sampling from the link you posted.
If you live in the United States, our flyers have been fact-checked multiple times for accuracy, and legality to be distributed. This is sadly such a bold lie that it borders on humor.

Because of how hate crime laws work in the US and other countries, never distribute flyers at Religious institutions or parking lots. Wow, even this guy states his flyers can be considered hate crimes

A small sampling of the flyers from the link you posted

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Mod note
Edit: To spare most people's eyes these images are best left where they are. If anyone wants to see them they can find them at the website.

[Mari]

I think this is a slightly abbreviated version of the original video from Darren Brown of the Birthday Present. It shows in a few minutes how a master NLP manipulator can replace a thought in this man's mind in minutes. DB even tells the man what he is doing. The birthday man's mind is changed in such a way he does not remember or care about the item he originally wanted, even when he sees the proof.
YMropN6ft4Y

I don't buy that personally. That's Simon Pegg, he was Scotty in the new Star Trek films among many other big titles - he's an actor so this smells of a set up. Either that or he's is a weak-minded fool. That's not to say the power of suggestion doesn't work, it can and does on many, but it takes time and repetition to pull off.

I think I can safely say it wouldn't work on the majority of us. We here are free, critical thinkers. Our awareness is a natural firewall against manipulation.

That's not without its drawbacks actually...

For example, I find it almost impossible to get hypnotised! Over the years I've tried multiple methods and therapists (seeking a past-life regression) - and none could put me under, not even slightly (to their great exasperation!) My only success came with a quantum healer, trained by Dolores Cannon herself. Even then it took her an unprecedented full hour to put me in a 'light' trance.


I share your pain :ohwell: I remember lying on a hypnotists' couch thinking all sorts of things...everything indeed except what the hypnotist was 'suggesting' to me, and it hit me after 10 mins or so, that I wasn't going 'under'. It felt excruciating....'do I pretend?' I asked myself, or just sit up and say, sorry mate, I've wasted my heard-earned and you, your time. I pretended :facepalm: to save us both embarassment (who was I kidding?) I don't think he was fooled.

Like you, I feel quantum healing would do the trick, but I'm aware that there is some stiff resistance within that prevents me from pursuing further, even though I'm fascinated with the idea of regression..
This could be why I never bought the 'covid' hoax from day one. Maybe those who 'cant' be hypnotised easily are more likely to see through the BS?

[Pris]

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"they try to FORCE me into silence.." with Jordan Peterson:

ZWKf38qoJZw


This is so good... But, then it went private? Could there be some YouTube shenanigans going on? Anyway, it was an edited copy...


Joy of joys, although I've not watched the whole thing yet, I found the full version:


You Might Already Be A Member | James Lindsay | EP 367


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnrdyphape4

OVERVIEW:

"Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Dr. James Lindsay break down how Marxism evolved from a singular ideology into a genus, spawning many oppressor/oppressed dogmas across modern culture such as equity, critical race theory, and queer theory. They trace these sub-Marxist doctrines back past fundamental narrative into the theological realm, and detail their utility in the acquisition of power. Dr. Peterson and Dr. Lindsay also discuss the Grievance Studies Affair, of which Dr. Lindsay was a co-author and which casts a spotlight on the Marxist capture of our academic and scientific institutions.

An author, mathematician, and political commentator, Dr. James Lindsay has written eight books spanning a range of subjects including education, postmodern theory, and critical race theory. Dr. Lindsay is the founder of New Discourses, an organization dedicated to shining the light of objective truth in subjective darkness. Dr. Lindsay is the co-author of “Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race, Gender, and Identity―and Why This Harms Everybody” and the author of “Race Marxism,” as well as, “The Marxification of Education.” Dr. Lindsay has been a featured guest on Fox News, Glenn Beck, Joe Rogan, and NPR, and he has spoken at the Oxford Union and the EU Parliament."

[Satori]

A perfectly timely article on Zero Hedge: a warning from Carl Sagan. My red emphasis is below.


https://zerohedge.com/markets/watch-carl-sagan-issues-prescient-warning-authoritarian-science-grave

"Combustible Mixture Of Ignorance & Power" - Carl Sagan Warned 'Authoritarian Science' Would "Blow Up In Our Faces"

The late astronomer Carl Sagan, who perhaps understood the unique threat of technocracy as well as anyone ever has, has emerged from the grave with a prescient warning on the dangers we are wading into unchecked.

https://twitter.com/OMGTheMess/status/1681079211136786432
1681079211136786432
“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology in which nobody understands anything about science and technology,” Sagan says. “And this combustible mixture of ignorance and power, sooner or later, is going to blow up in our faces.”

“I mean, who is running the science and technology in a democracy if the people don’t know anything about it?” he asks rhetorically.

(...the article continues (https://zerohedge.com/markets/watch-carl-sagan-issues-prescient-warning-authoritarian-science-grave)...)

Bump, bump, bump. Bingo!

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm kind of surprised that no one yet has injected the meme that democracy is 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Usually, this is followed by some chest thumping and the declaration that the US of A is not a democracy, nor ever has been; it's a republic. Those advancing this meme are more than frightened by democracy. They'll say they don't want to be legally subjected to the concepts and ideals of 51% of the population composed mostly of dumbasses. (Of course, they fail to recognize that a republic is just a smaller group of individuals making up the rules than in a true democracy, and so they will still be subjected to rules/laws/policies that didn't come from themselves.)

The meta-analysis paper that was nicknamed "The Princeton Report" concluded that US citizens have ZERO influence over foreign and domestic policy. That is, at very best, the illusion of democracy. "Self-determination" in the USA, Inc. consists of the inalienable right to choose between fast-food restaurants, not having the right to choose (or even be a small part of the determination process of) anything international, national, or in any way important.

The illusion of the USA being a democracy has eroded to the point to where more people have begun to notice - and what that means is that the government's social engineering /propaganda think-tanks are already on it, spinning the narrative so that US citizens will conclude that democracy wasn't all that great a concept anyway, or, more likely, that democracy is alive and well in the USA, a shining beacon of democracy to the world. The emperor's clothing trick. They've been using this one forever, but I suspect they'll stick with it.

The opposite of democracy is the consolidation of control/power into a very few hands. This is the actual direction that the USA, Inc. and its Western allies have been advancing for many decades, through corporate mergers and acquisitions and governmental collusion with the prime corporate powers (who are either mostly self-interested Americentric corporations, such as high-tech military manufacturers or globalist/"multinational" corporations.) They further their agenda toward global hegemony by ever-expanding governmental control of allies and vassal states.

That's the State of the Union. The concept of "democracy" was beaten to death a long time ago and its corpse propped-up and sprinkled with glitter.

[norman]

People fondly hang on to the idea of democracy because the word still subtly says individuality drives the collective.

Voting and the people being put up to vote for is so corrupt that it's a very long way down the list of effective individual influences on the collective.

How we choose the items and services we consume is higher on that list than voting, but even that runs into the Blackrock phenomenon in the end. They just about own every option.

Meme sharing seems to me to be where the action is now, mostly.

[shaberon]

I'm kind of surprised that no one yet has injected the meme that democracy is 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Usually, this is followed by some chest thumping and the declaration that the US of A is not a democracy, nor ever has been; it's a republic.



Why is it even mentioned to begin with? Why do we pretend to exalt Greece?


Demokratia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demokratia) excluded women, foreigners, and slaves. It barred between 80 and 90 percent of the population from political rights.



The idea that the "freedom to make choices" or "diversity" were absolute goods and thus could serve as goals or ideals (on a level with, much less above, family, gods, or polis) contradicted the very premises of Athenian society. Thus while democratic practices ultimately had a marked and deleterious effect on Athenian national strength and public morale and arguably contributed to the loss of Athenian independence, Athenian society managed to stave off the most harmful aspects of democratic theory. Even after they lost their democracy and autonomy, there is little evidence that the Athenians completely lost their fundamental conception of a society based on the principle of duties.


It was not taken all that seriously to begin with, contradicted and degraded Athenian society. And yet this is supposed to be a secret which was miraculously resurrected by some American forerunner?

Vermont and Switzerland both allow democratic referendums on at least some actual issues, while being republics or parts thereof.

Republics are also called Confederacies, and arose independently in India at a noticeably early time ca. 600 B. C. E.

The United States was originally a Confederacy with no taxing power, but, this "Perpetual Union" was rapidly dissolved and replaced by what was called a "consolidated government", that is, a central power. Still, like Greece, it disenfranchised probably 80% of the actual human beings.

So I have no clue what anyone means by "Democracy", why they would say it, or what they might mean by that.

The idea of the "Democratic Party" does not necessarily mean "a form of government", but those who opposed the forces of Wall Street. It was first called Democrat-Republican, being generally against anything consolidated going into the Constitution, and had tried to impose about thirty Amendments for the reason of limiting the central government, things that have nothing to do with the Bill of Rights, which may have been superfluous.


The Atlantic tells us that someone wanted to modify the meaning from "direct democracy" to "majority rule":


Lincoln insisted, “the rule of a minority, as a permanent arrangement, is wholly inadmissible.” Indeed, Lincoln offered a definition of popular government that can guide our understanding of a democracy—or a republic—today: “A majority, held in restraint by constitutional checks, and limitations, and always changing easily, with deliberate changes of popular opinions and sentiments, is the only true sovereign of a free people.”


The Smithsonian gives us an opinion pointing to Washington's Farewell Address, which happens to tell us:



...the importance of a unified national government, the folly of getting involved in foreign affairs...



Wiki's abject History (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_democracy) of it is not bothered by a two thousand year lacuna:


The extent to which these 18th-century democratic revivalists succeeded in turning the democratic ideals of the ancient Greeks into the dominant political institution of the next 300 years is hardly debatable...



Some think that because the U. S. has the first "Constitution", that would make it important, and that somehow the French needed this or copied it. But most of the Founders' ideas *were* French. Many of them *did* value the freedoms enjoyed by average citizens of the United Kingdom, and they were *not* anti-monarchists.


One could say they were against inherited nobility, and generally favored term limitations, and then look at Jesse Helms.

Lincoln says we want "majority rule", do we really? We complained about "minority rule" as well. Apparently neither the minority or majority is to be trusted.


I think they are just praising the union formed by the Constitution, in whatever nonsensical manner of their choosing. They debate terms that are not very relevant, and act as if these ideas were somehow superior to similar ideas anywhere else.

"Consolidation of central power" *is* the Constitution, which is the reason it was opposed in the first place, in some cases quite strongly.

[Pris]

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I feel I have to be careful here in what I say, but I'm pretty sure the entire thing has to come down.


I think a little differently. My feeling here is that the entire thing doesn't have to come down at all... at least not all at once and certainly not in any kind of "fire and brimstone" apocalyptic way. The Apocalypse is all about "lifting the veil". Light eradicates the darkness. The people can't fix what they don't know needs fixing. And, that's where we are at right now -- learning about what needs fixing. There's already parts of the system being reworked and replaced as we go. I think we're getting a little background help... a stealthy military-civilian alliance? That's what I'm seeing. And, it's global.




Everything is breaking. Nothing at all is sustainable. National projects and programs are almost all based on flawed premises, in turn based on equally flawed ideologies. Just look. With eyes wide open, it's all there to see.


The psychopaths have their tentacles in everything. Theirs is the cult of death and destruction, "order out of chaos". But, they're rapidly being exposed. Everyone sees who and what they are now, and they're being called out... which is excellent. Because the psychos can't operate in the light.




The way this all connects with the issue of democracy is that citizens are meant to be able to vote bad leaders out of office and choose new ones. But that doesn't work — and hasn't worked for decades.

The people who COULD maybe fix it all — highly intelligent, highly educated, politically unaffiliated, totally ethical and incorruptible people, the exceptional best of the best (and these people do exist) — who in some parallel reality might work together in large, empowered, action-oriented international think tanks with no political donors or sponsors in sight — don't go anywhere near politics, definitely don't want to, and probably couldn't even if they chose to.


We're going through a "waking up" process, wouldn't you say? I'd say everything is changing for the better as people shake off the psyop paralysis and start to actively live "as if" they have the future they want to see. Thoughts are things, so very powerful. The people are powerful and are now beginning to remember just how powerful they've always been.

Fundamentally, everyone is relearning what it takes to make something work from the ground up to benefit everyone equally. Top down is, obviously, out of the question: we clearly see now what centralization of power does. Decentralization is the answer. Restore the corrupted justice system back to being blind once again. And, finally, arrest the psychopaths and criminals and put them on trial.

Watching the States, the voting system is already slowly being reworked, state by state. Ultimately, the goal is: no mail-in ballots, no machines, paper ballots only, one day voting, one day counting by hand, guarded. Personally, I never thought the system could be fixed in a million years... but I'm becoming more optimistic by the day.

The world is watching the States in everything it does. The States is the nexus of this global battle. We're all being taught heavy lessons in what's required to take back our countries and our individual rights and freedom.

Also, in politics worldwide, we're witnessing the rise of a new party, the populist party. In the States, it's called MAGA, and it's exposing the lie of the "two party" political system. The uniparty... the illusion of choice.




Democracy just does not work. The price the western world will surely pay for that may be enormous. We think it's all happening slowly (though increasingly less so!) — but in historical terms, seen in the context of man's journey over the last 2500 years, it's all happening VERY VERY fast now. Within just a single decade, the entire world might be totally different in a whole bunch of ways.

:flower:


Yes... I'd say democracy -- even if done correctly -- is horrific. I don't want a mob forcing me to comply with whatever they want against my will. Plandemic. Masks. Death-jabs. Control the narrative, censor opposition, gaslight the population. Create the problem, steer the reaction, force the solution. That's how medical techo-fascist totalitarianism hides behind the facade of democracy. If it's not contrived global medical emergencies, climate emergencies, and wars, then it's other BS like the ozone hole, killer bees, overpopulation, and aliens. It's all psychological warfare and asymmetric warfare terrorism waged against the general population in order to weaken us, keep us off balance, trick us into giving up all our freedom, and force us all to suffer under a "one world government".

But, that's all being exposed. Faster and faster, everything is being exposed.

And, there are key players (we see them, we hear them!) who are working at getting everything into place to repair and fix the damage. It's all building up. Sure, there might be one huge worldwide scare still to come, like the start of WW3. We keep hearing about it (repetition, that's a clue) while Trump has positioned himself on the world stage as the "peacemaker", repeatedly saying he can stop WW3 in 24 hrs. I keep my eye on that man.

I think the United States is experiencing its Second Revolution.

When the whole world seems to be falling apart at the seams while the entire globalist apparatus is constantly attacking Trump, the fact is he's as cool as a cucumber all the while pushing out the incredibly well-planned Agenda 47 to solve all the (world's) problems... He's already planning for the year long 250th birthday celebration of the USA in 2025 going into 2026. I can't help but think there's some wheels turning here and things are happening in such a way to get American's to wake up and take back control of their country. And, the best part? I think the rest of the world is following Trump's lead to take back control of their respective nations...

At least, that's my take. :)
. . .:blackwidow:

[Satori]

I'm kind of surprised that no one yet has injected the meme that democracy is 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Usually, this is followed by some chest thumping and the declaration that the US of A is not a democracy, nor ever has been; it's a republic. Those advancing this meme are more than frightened by democracy. They'll say they don't want to be legally subjected to the concepts and ideals of 51% of the population composed mostly of dumbasses. (Of course, they fail to recognize that a republic is just a smaller group of individuals making up the rules than in a true democracy, and so they will still be subjected to rules/laws/policies that didn't come from themselves.)

The meta-analysis paper that was nicknamed "The Princeton Report" concluded that US citizens have ZERO influence over foreign and domestic policy. That is, at very best, the illusion of democracy. "Self-determination" in the USA, Inc. consists of the inalienable right to choose between fast-food restaurants, not having the right to choose (or even be a small part of the determination process of) anything international, national, or in any way important.

The illusion of the USA being a democracy has eroded to the point to where more people have begun to notice - and what that means is that the government's social engineering /propaganda think-tanks are already on it, spinning the narrative so that US citizens will conclude that democracy wasn't all that great a concept anyway, or, more likely, that democracy is alive and well in the USA, a shining beacon of democracy to the world. The emperor's clothing trick. They've been using this one forever, but I suspect they'll stick with it.

The opposite of democracy is the consolidation of control/power into a very few hands. This is the actual direction that the USA, Inc. and its Western allies have been advancing for many decades, through corporate mergers and acquisitions and governmental collusion with the prime corporate powers (who are either mostly self-interested Americentric corporations, such as high-tech military manufacturers or globalist/"multinational" corporations.) They further their agenda toward global hegemony by ever-expanding governmental control of allies and vassal states.

That's the State of the Union. The concept of "democracy" was beaten to death a long time ago and its corpse propped-up and sprinkled with glitter.

That meme was injected recently on another thread on this Forum.

[Pris]

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I'm kind of surprised that no one yet has injected the meme that democracy is 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Usually, this is followed by some chest thumping and the declaration that the US of A is not a democracy, nor ever has been; it's a republic. Those advancing this meme are more than frightened by democracy. They'll say they don't want to be legally subjected to the concepts and ideals of 51% of the population composed mostly of dumbasses. (Of course, they fail to recognize that a republic is just a smaller group of individuals making up the rules than in a true democracy, and so they will still be subjected to rules/laws/policies that didn't come from themselves.)


Here you go, be surprised no more. (At least it's harder to control people when they're in smaller groups scattered all over the place. And, if you don't like one group, you can join another. There's a reason why the a-holes want everyone out of the countryside and crammed into "15 minute cities" lol.)



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Democracy means "rule by the mob". Presently, the sheeple mob ("useful idiots") has been steered and brainwashed to be a pawn for the globalist Mafia mob -- a pawn used to prevent any populist uprising. How has Democracy EVER been a good thing? It's far too easy to manipulate the masses using Democracy. If it's dead, good riddance.



https://i.imgflip.com/39z2yy.jpg

Link to post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121559-Democracy-Stick-a-fork-in-it-it-s-done&p=1568685&viewfull=1#post1568685




That's the State of the Union. The concept of "democracy" was beaten to death a long time ago and its corpse propped-up and sprinkled with glitter.

Nice. I can easily picture that.

[Pris]

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"Consolidation of central power" *is* the Constitution, which is the reason it was opposed in the first place, in some cases quite strongly.


I found this. Seems that someone from China explains "separation of powers" quite well...

Excerpt:
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Separation of Powers in the Central Government

One important principle embodied in the U.S. Constitution is separation of powers. To prevent concentration of power, the U.S. Constitution divides the central government into three branches and creates a system of checks and balances. Each of the three governmental branches, legislative, executive and judicial, “checks” the powers of the other branches to make sure that the principal powers of the government are not concentrated in the hands of any single branch. The principle of separation of powers and the system of checks and balances perform essential functions and contribute to a stable political situation in the United States.
_________________________________________________________

Link to full 'report':
https://www.varsitytutors.com/ca/earlyamerica/early-america-review/volume-13/constitution-separates-power

...


By the way, Derek Johnson talks about the USA being under military occupation right now -- under COG (Continuity of Government), recently changed to COOP (Continuity of Operations Plan).


Derek says, "There's two powers in the US -- the military and the federal government. And, for the first time in United States history... this is why nothing else matters right now: no courts, no Congress, no anybody... but Donald John Trump, the Generals, and the military."

Link to post (and video):
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120854-Derek-Johnson-says-Trump-could-still-be-the-legal-US-President&p=1566228&viewfull=1#post1566228

[DNA]

A few quotes about control from above:


Globalists have controlled and subverted mainstream culture for the last 60 years or so.


I might offer the view that it's not the imperfect system that's rotten, it's the people controlling and manipulating it. With those same people in power and influence, any other system would be corrupted in the same way.


To which the only reply back is, "RACIST! TRANSPHOBE! WHITE SUPREMICIST!" It really is a fascinating magic trick to mind control an entire species of thinking, often intelligent people... especially to the end of their own demise.

I think this is a slightly abbreviated version of the original video from Darren Brown of the Birthday Present. It shows in a few minutes how a master NLP manipulator can replace a thought in this man's mind in minutes. DB even tells the man what he is doing. The birthday man's mind is changed in such a way he does not remember or care about the item he originally wanted, even when he sees the proof.

A friend told me recently that he knew global warming was absolutely true and I know there is not a thing I can say or show him that will change his mind. He has no idea there are control systems in place and unquestioningly accepts what he is told. He even says the government can lie but still he believes and obeys. I mentioned a quote by Thomas Sowell, "if you think your government cares about you, you don't know history." He agreed, but still believes and obeys. This is the status for so very many people.

Humans are easily controlled when one knows how and it can be brought to bear in any system; religious, educational, political or otherwise. Systems are very useful to the controllers, they don't really care much what we believe. As long as we believe in a system, it can be a mechanism thorough which we can be controlled.

YMropN6ft4Y

Excellent points all the way around Franny!
Folks keep talking about the system and it's faults rather than the abductors and orchestrators of the system and the system's demise.

Too many posts here seem to be hinting that the system was meant to fail due to inherit flaws in its construction rather than point to deconstruction specialists and their financial enablers.

And this is indeed where the use of NLP themed brain washing through repetition, Hollywood fame leveraged endorsement and never ending exposure through movies, tv, music and news have done their magic.

Klause Schwab could literally give a power point presentation on what he is going to do to the masses while George Soros is twerking up and down the stage making it rain check receipts and campaign contributions to liberal politicians and district attorneys all across the western world.
Things were bad when politicians took bribes and were never held accountable.

The same thing is now happening with the judicial system and the whole thing is crumbling exponentially faster as a result.

Democracy was created with the understanding it would be cherished, coveted and protected.
But the indoctrination of 70 years of satanic Hollywood has paved a way to our demise with best intentions and blinders.

[DNA]

eXOI-2aQNDI

I hate to be a thread killer.
I love this song.
Treasure hands by Lucy's fur coat.
The chorus goes
"Times are changing for the worse I wish they weren't but I know they are".

It's a good song.
Now on to another subject.
I was given a video by a former member of the forum a few days ago.
He asked me to watch it.
Honestly I didn't really want to but I was glad I did.

This guy's name is Michael Herrera.
You've never heard of him.
He only has one story and it's relatively short.
It's simple, to the point.
Why this interview strikes me as worth the interest is the person.

This is a regular old marine with a wrong place wrong time one off story.
He is deployed and in a South East Asian country like Thailand or Indonesia and he is there to help protect humanitarian efforts after a bad earth quake.
This guy's story is reinforced by his demeanor and way of talking.
I've known quite a few marines and this is just how they come across. And a lot of cussing.
So he is in a small four man unit when he is told to go with his fellow men to a spot about five kilometers away.
So they do so.

And while standing guard a group of nine special forces guys get the drop on them, they are disarmed and told repeatedly that they will probably be executed.
And then they see a huge anti-gravity ship come down to the ground hovering mere inches from the ground.
And then unmarked black trucks arrive loading metal shipping containers on to the craft. All the while the marines are at gun point from these special forces guys in unmarked black uniforms.
Herrera then tells us he is part of a contingency coming before congress to tell their stories trying to force the USA to begin disclosure.

It's a good telling especially how he says he thought they were going to be killed and thrown in the bush but were probably saved by the proximity of their battalion possibly hearing the shots.

Also worth mentioning, Herrera said he was told while on a congress hearing that those shipping containers were probably people, and probably kids.
The ex-Avolon member seemed to really want my opinion on that.

3zm4nh3S66I

So I brought up Phil Schnieder. Now before some nay sayer jumps out of the wood work to debunk a man's life work based on some discrepancy with government paper work let's try to remember, Phil got a lot of sh!t right.

Here is Phil Schnieder 32 minutes in talking about how off world aliens, negative aliens, use us for our blood and adrenals, for something called adrenochrome.
Hmph, makes you wonder.



This was back in 94.
Before the effing internet.
Who the hell had ever heard of adrenochrome???
Especially a geologist.
The remarks Phil makes about the USA trading humans for technology shouldn't be lost on folks, especially in how it relates to the marines story. I will say also I've heard other sources say that the USA is making deals with negative ETs that give us crappy anti-gravity ships with fuel requirements so exotic we can't make it and we are dependent upon them for fuel.

Which brings me back to this thread.
The elite of this world practice everything Phil Schnieder talks about, almost to the point of it being a cargo cult.
The Hollywood/DC/elite procurement and consumption of adrenochrome.
Which makes you wonder.
Is the whole Moloch worship limited to this world?
And more importantly is our government influenced and or controlled by something extraterrestrial or extra dimensional?

At times it seems when watching the level of depravity that is taking place it seems like a potentially valid prospect.

https://rumble.com/v29k4j0-phil-schnieder-3rd-degree-secret-service-agent-best-alien-evidence-ever-exp.html

[Antagenet]

[B]Antagenet, you are out of line. Your post clearly states that every aspect of every problem in the world (see below) is virtually the result of Jews.

Whoa!! lol. Look a little more closely, my friend,
I said
MOST OF THE CONTROL.
(Not every damn problem on earth!!!)

[Pris]

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[B]Antagenet, you are out of line. Your post clearly states that every aspect of every problem in the world (see below) is virtually the result of Jews.

Whoa!! lol. Look a little more closely, my friend,
I said
MOST OF THE CONTROL.
(Not every damn problem on earth!!!)


I would add, it only applies to certain Jews (like, for example, some Zionist Jews...) -- not all Jews. Nobody likes to be painted with a broad brush.

[shaberon]

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"Consolidation of central power" *is* the Constitution, which is the reason it was opposed in the first place, in some cases quite strongly.


I found this. Seems that someone from China explains "separation of powers" quite well...




Sure. It was mainly designed by Montesquieu, and applied, for example, by the Tsarina.

I would suggest it may be why forms of government don't scale too well.

For example, old Gaelic nations were not states. As individuals they owned farms and lands and pasture, but otherwise there was no kind of political boundary marking an area that was a "state". The boundary was your mouth and word. Twenty or thirty families would send their head to a meeting, where one guy was in charge and made all the decisions, he was the Judge and the Executive who would determine if the group needed to attack or defend. The Law was a few ideas he might have gotten from the previous guy, and it was just whatever they said.

You go along with it or you get thrown out.

For one thing, all those people had a whole lot in common.

Past a certain level of population, that kind of thing doesn't seem to work out too well.

The point about the Constitution is that it consolidates power in the Federal Government, at the expense of the states. The State already has a Constitution, the States are the original sovereigns, and so the dispute is far less about the theories and proportions that divide up federal operations, it is about the vampiric relation towards the sovereign States.

That is essentially the main argument from 1787-1865; that is what the War Between the States was about.

During that time the Hamiltonian Wall Street Party became Anti-Masonic, then Whig, then Republican ---> John Birch and Truman mentality.

Although we could say the Democratic party once opposed this, at a certain point it becomes compromised as well, more along the lines of Atlanticism or internationalism --> CFR and WEF mentality.

The U. S. was founded around several caveats to "alter or abolish" the government, actually I think Jefferson may have said a revolution per generation might be normal.

The war we did have was not "Civil", because the Confederacy was not trying to gain control of the Constitutional government. It was not trying to revolutionize, that is, to alter or abolish it either. It tried to make its own less-consolidated government, or, rather, it did, but it was defeated.

[Ernie Nemeth]

It seems that democracy, like fiat currency, is an ideal that can never be 'real'. It relies on perception alone. That is, the reality of a fiat currency is an illusion but for the perception of value that we all agree to. Like now, for example, when the value of the fiat currency is going down, yet we all perceive the same value as before - a dollar is a dollar (even though that dollar today is only worth 94 cents. Tomorrow it will be worth 89 cents, and so on).

Democracy is like that. It is merely a perception that we have agreed to yet, in fact, its value has been decreasing since the first law was enacted. Every law is an abrogation of someone's rights. At best, democracy is a mini tyranny of limited duration. More to the point, democracies tend toward dictatorships over time.

Democracy works only to the extent that there is individual integrity prevalent within its citizenry. It is only individuals with high moral standards that can set a true course of freedom because only they know what that looks like, and what its true price is.

In the past, such standards were expected. Today, not so much.
The first rule of a true civilization is the rule of civility.

I think I now understand more why Wade maintains that integrity is a scarce resource in the modern world.
And that perhaps humanity is not yet sentient...

[shaberon]

Here is a revolution (https://tass.com/world/1653803)--in this case, the removal of a constitutional government:


General Abdourahmane Tchiani has been declared Niger’s new head of state, Colonel Amadou Abdramane, a spokesman for the rebels who have seized power in the country, said in a televised address on Friday.

However, in his words, the constitution of the country remains suspended.


While at the same time, there could be the birth of another constitution (https://tass.com/world/1653267):


"For example, the East African Community (EAC) is in the process of becoming a political federation," Ndayishimiye pointed out.


According to the EAC (https://www.eac.int/political-federation):


The Political Federation is the ultimate goal of the EAC Regional Integration, the fourth step after the Customs Union, Common Market and Monetary Union.



That process is very slow, starting perhaps prior to 2004. It is, in a sense, similar to the United States, because most of those places are formed by colonists drawing up state lines out of their empires. The U. S. made a much faster union, because it entered hostilities with the colonizer, instead of waiting until 1960 for a decision.


Its current stage is treaties:


Signing of the Treaty of Accession of the Democratic Republic of Congo to the Treaty for the Establishment of the East Africa Community 2022


Enlarging it to this area:

https://www.eac.int/images/New_EAC_Map_2022.png



https://www.eac.int/images/images/New_EAC_map.png




Followed by:


EAC officially launches the Verification Mission to assess Somalia's readiness to join the Community

And, they happen to use this buzz word, a lot:

East African Community attaches great importance to nurturing democracy


The Head of the EAC Election Observer Mission (EOM) to Rwanda, former Kenyan Vice President Moody Awori, said that no country could expect to attain economic growth, peace and security without the stamp of legitimacy from its citizens.

“This is why we as a Community are keen on free, fair and transparent elections in all the six Partner States,” said Mr. Awori.



What does it mean? Are they buying an -ism? Doing a cookie cutter of Anglo-American law? It only means whatever they decide to say it means:




During debate, Hon. Dora Byamukama said there was need to make key follow-up on what the Partner States do on the very day. “We need to take the issue of democracy very seriously”, she said. “Perhaps Africa needs its own definition taking into account the fact that we need to take to enhance civic education”, she added.

Hon. Mukasa Mbidde said it was necessary for the rule of law and democracy to be adhered to. The motion is anchored on Article 6 (d) and 7 (2) and all Protocols that African States are party to. “It is on this day that we need to tell the Partner States to carry out, and implement what it takes to ensure access to justice is realized”, he said.


The Partner States should also ensure the access and deposit of the declarations required under Article 34 (6) of the Protocol of the African Court and Human Rights. So far only, the United Republic of Tanzania and the Republic of Rwanda have deposited the said Protocol.

On 29th January, 2015, EALA passed a Resolution urging the EAC Partner States to adopt the African Charter on Democracy, Elections and Governance.

Hon. Mbidde further mentioned that the jurisdiction of the East African Court of Justice (EACJ) needs to be extended to cover the crimes against humanity. At the moment, only the ICC can try perpetrators of human rights violation, Hon. Mbidde said.

The youth are majority and deserve their space in terms of planning and decision making”, he added. They must be part of a constructive agenda and not destructive’, he said, adding, that the Assembly should observe the day by among other things having discussions of intellect on the democratic practices.



This mainly consists of Swahili countries, which Ethiopia is not, nor has it been colonized, most of its trade is north and over the Red Sea, and it has very little connection to these places. So although it looks like a neighbor, it has not signed on to the Currency arrangement or any of the other groundwork that leads to membership. It, possibly, could, but, we might say that Swahili Democracy is just beginning...just not of a kind that has been planted there by someone else. That, to me, at least, is the important thing, it is not "Liberal Democracy" scarfing territory for venture capitalists, it is their own internal affair.

[shaberon]

Here is what happens when you implement martial law (https://tass.com/world/1654995):



Burkina Faso and Mali will consider any military intervention in Niger as a declaration of war against them.



It announced it was suspending the export of uranium to France with immediate effect. Niger is the world’s seventh-largest producer of Uranium and France, which relies on nuclear energy for 75 per cent of its power, is a significant importer.


Because Mali, having recently washed its hands of France (https://southfront.org/niger-suspends-uranium-gold-exports-amid-rumors-of-imminent-french-military-intervention/):


There are already widespread allegations of direct French military intervention being imminent...

France has asserted it will only recognize the only legitimate authority as Bazoum, whose precise whereabouts remain unknown...

Colonel Amadou Abdramane, who is among the coup leaders and a spokesman, has alleged that Niger’s foreign minister had signed a legal order which authorizes external French military intervention to restore political stability.

Complicating matters, and adding to the geopolitical pressures and tensions, is the fact that Niger has long been a major operating hub for French special forces, with some 1,500 French troops in the country, who regularly conducted joint operations with the prior government.

The ‘anti-imperialist’ nature of coup supporters in the streets has been demonstrated by their waving Russian flags. Alarmingly, while both French and American troops are in the region, the Russian mercenary group Wagner is just next door in Mali. Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin, who days ago popped back up in Russia for the first time since the June 23 mutiny events, in a rare message positively celebrated the coup and blasted past French and Western colonialism in Africa:

In a long message posted to social media, Prigozhin blamed the situation in Niger on the legacy of colonialism and alleged, without evidence, that Western nations were sponsoring terrorist groups in the country. Niger was once a French colony and, before this week’s putsch, it had been one of the few democracies in the region.

Meanwhile, Russian flag-bearing protesters have attacked the French embassy in Niamey…

https://s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/coupniger1.jpg


All of this has prompted a fresh response from President Emmanuel Macron, who said his government “will not tolerate any attack on France and its interests” in Niger. He blasted the coup d’état as “perfectly illegitimate” (ironic given this implies he believes he can bestow some coups with legitimacy but not others).

Tensions are also building along the borders, after coup leaders claimed neighboring allies of the West are plotting against them. West African leaders held an emergency meeting on Sunday in Nigeria over the coup and crisis.

The 15-nation regional bloc Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) called for Bazoum’s immediate restoration to office, saying it will “all measures” to restore democratic government and the constitution. The biggest warning from ECOWAS was seen in the following statement:

“Such measures may include the use of force for this effect,” it said in a statement.

The White House in a weekend statement said it is “closely monitoring” the coup and events inside the country, while staying in communication with military leaders.

“We remain deeply concerned about the unfolding developments … the United States condemns in the strongest terms, any effort to seize power by force,” NSC spokesman John Kirby said. “A military takeover may cause the United States to cease security and other cooperation with the government of Niger, jeopardizing existing security and non security partnerships.”



But as The Intercept highlights, this is yet another problem and change of government that’s at least in part of Washington’s own making… that is, another African coup leader who was trained by US special forces. According to The Intercept:

BRIG. GEN. MOUSSA SALAOU BARMOU, the chief of Niger’s Special Operations Forces and one of the leaders of the unfolding coup in Niger, was trained by the U.S. military, The Intercept has confirmed. U.S.-trained military officers have taken part in 11 coups in West Africa since 2008.

“We have had a very long relationship with the United States,” Barmousaid in 2021. “Being able to work together in this capacity is very good for Niger.” Just last month, Barmou met with Lt. Gen. Jonathan Braga, the head of U.S. Army Special Operations Command, at Air Base 201, a drone base in the Nigerian city of Agadez that serves as the lynchpin of an archipelago of U.S. outposts in West Africa.

On Wednesday, Barmou, who trained at Fort Benning, Georgia, and the National Defense University in Washington, joined a junta that ousted Mohamed Bazoum, Niger’s democratically elected president, according to Nigerien sources and a U.S. government official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.





Ft. Benning = School of the Americas, i. e., in general, CIA type training for, you know, overthrows and stuff like that. Guess he is putting the lesson to the test!

Wild:

https://s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/coupniger.png




ECOWAS is the Treaty of Lagos 1975 (https://www.google.com/search?client=avast-a-1&q=Treaty+of+Lagos&si=ACFMAn_Gd9OM2CPb2aZmeZqmDNcQe6dffWLqUS3eIZkPr91_p5x93IwqOZBDu7ac_XpgF7fWa3fRX-EQLaUgiKM6Am1Re7xlJ6EUbmvzXdMktVLExoJd2iZAnwBl-J_MotpyZJUTixVOU-rACdDW_NmPEfyld-AitNh7cLnl5caHiHn_zJXzFPiVU_OlWJCjkqbHdv6iWzz8&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-uqCg_bqAAxVZlmoFHc4WDwUQmxMoAHoECB8QAg), including Burkina Faso and Mali. It has three suspended members, including Niger, meaning that even if it has a NATO-type defense pact, it does not apply.

The news article for their ouster has expired; instead, it gives me:


Homeless Camps Are Being Cleared in California. What Happens Next?


Democratic leaders who previously tolerated homeless camps have lost their patience for the tent villages and blocks of trailers that proliferated during the pandemic.

[Tiyaira]

In general, there are really only three different kinds of government. Quoting Book 1, Section 3 of the Law of Nations (https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/whatmore-the-law-of-nations-lf-ed):


If the body of the nation keeps in its own hands the empire or the right to command, it is a popular government, a democracy; if it entrusts it to a certain number of citizens, to a senate, it establishes an aristocratic republic; finally, if it confides the government to a single person, the state becomes a monarchy.
The key function in any system is where the right to command is. Do you, as a mere citizen, have the right to command your society? To do your part in managing its affairs as you see fit? No? Then you do not live in a democracy and never have.

What are called "representative democracies" are actually aristocratic republics in their function. Elected representatives are only a subset of the population, and it has been proven time and again that there is neither contractual agreement nor duty for them to consider your interests. The only agreement that exists by vote is that you agreed that they get to make the decisions and not you. If they be an idiot or a traitor, well, that's allowed by the system and what happens happens because it is allowed to happen.

From a functional systems perspective, existing so-called democratic systems are actually very simple in their design and I see many gaps in their functionality. They were designed by people who did not have systems programming experience (excusable because the field didn't exist in their time) and operated under the assumption that people always had good character. They do not. In a numbers game, bad characters can overpower good characters. We also saw that voting, as a function in a system, is error-prone and should not be relied upon as much as it is.

Democracy requires that people exercise self-government in order for it to function, and self-government requires that people develop in themselves a strong character. Democracy also has the feature of the right to command or manage the society being spread widely in the population without representatives in the way. It does not mean rule by mob -- that is an outcome that occurs with poor system design and it is an error because it is possible for an entire mob to be wrong -- and as an optimizing function, a society ought to avoid going down wrong paths because they are inefficient uses of resources. It is possible to implement a democratic system, where the right to command is entrusted widely, but which does not rely upon numbers to steer its direction.

[abc]

Antagenet, you are out of line. Your post clearly states that every aspect of every problem in the world (see below) is virtually the result of Jews. I am not Jewish and I have no skin in this argument but when I see something so hate-filled and so out of line I feel it must be called out.

Correlation does not mean causation, but there is definitely a Jewish hand in the things you mentioned. Not to mention the ruling class talking about how Israel is our greatest ally and how Israel is fiercely anti-immigration while people from there actively advocate for mass immigration into countries.

[rgray222]

Antagenet, you are out of line. Your post clearly states that every aspect of every problem in the world (see below) is virtually the result of Jews. I am not Jewish and I have no skin in this argument but when I see something so hate-filled and so out of line I feel it must be called out.

Correlation does not mean causation, but there is definitely a Jewish hand in the things you mentioned. Not to mention the ruling class talking about how Israel is our greatest ally and how Israel is fiercely anti-immigration while people from there actively advocate for mass immigration into countries.

Correlation does not mean causation......................... This is precisely why I made the comment in the first place.

I firmly stand by my post. The original post did not say that Jews had a "hand in things" It clearly and emphatically stated (see link https://gtvflyers.com/) that Jews were responsible for every aspect of:

COVID
Slavery
Abortion
Guns
Satanism
Pornography
Penis Sucking (not joking, see below)
LBGTQ Movement
Biden Administration
Trump Campaign Funding
Mass Immigration
Ukraine
911
Federal Reserve
Communism
Child Murdering Pedophiles
Feminism

I have no problem with someone making a case against Zionism but one does not need to be related to Einstein to see that this post has all the hallmarks of hate.

I am not going to comment any further on this subject.

[shaberon]

...if it confides the government to a single person, the state becomes a monarchy.


That is not entirely so.

There are various kinds of "constitutional monarchies" and so forth, and various ways of electing kings.

Once the powers of a king are distributed, then he is more or less a chief executive, practically indistinguishable from a president. That is why there was about a 30% minority which would have elected G. Washington king after the American Revolution.

Why is the term "dictator" bandied about? Is Niger currently under the control of one person who is not a king?

Most Tyrants have been installed by popular support, mainly for Debt Jubilee that the "legitimate government" ceased observing.

Either a minority or majority of "bad characters" is able to spread badness through some form of government. I would suggest the form matters less than the character.

The U. S. Confederacy only had a Senate, which led to most of the arguments over the Constitution, in people thinking there should be a "lower house" like in Britain, which is a monarchy with a separate legislature, which led to most of the problems that the Americans revolted against. In that sense, they mainly revolted against the Parliament.

[aKnightThatSaysNi]

I've been meaning to start this thread for quite a while. It's very clear to me that 'democracy' has been a sham — and often a cynical, crooked, manipulated one — for decades, in almost every part of the world. (But significantly, not Crimea or the Donbass. :thumbsup: )

This new video from Chris Martenson made my decision to post this. He's outraged about the recent treatment of RFK Jr in the censorship hearings (when he himself was censored!), but there's a LOT more to this important topic than that.

It's All Over! (Democracy, That Is)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0L0BdycDJE

Some of us have known Democrazy is a farce for a long time.

zqb-R1UznDY

[shaberon]

This is a snippet from the idea of the End of Europe (https://southfront.org/europa-no-longer-exists/):


The macroscopic data that explains what is happening in France after February 2022 is that relating to food consumption. That suffered an unprecedented drop of 17% compared to 2021.



which is just some dry data that speaks volumes on its own.

But right now, my question is, if the following could even possibly be happening:





Turning the death of Europe into a metaphysical tragedy is Spain with its jumble of political parties that fail to find a majority, general election after general election.

The country under the leadership of the socialist Sanchez is facing these difficult economic times in relative tranquility. The country’s GDP is supported by the post-Covid recovery of tourism and the revitalization of the real estate sector. While awaiting the next speculative bubble and the formation of yet another national minority government, Spanish politics is the best geopolitical laboratory of the new American way of life based on false rights, the erasure of culture and political correctness. In the general silence of international public opinion, Madrid has reformed the school curriculum, eliminating history and philosophy from the school curriculum. Instead of those two subjects, now considered outdated, Spanish children will be taught disciplines such as ecofeminism, democratic memory, ethics of care and LGBT rights. We are on the verge of the abyss: that reform, at best, should be considered as the most idiotic distillation of cancel culture. In the background, there remain the secessionist tensions of some regions that can no longer bear the link with Madrid: Catalonia in the lead.

[Bill Ryan]

This is the strongest uncensored rant I've ever heard from Chris Martenson. The video was recorded on 21 December for his Peak Prosperity members (safe behind his paywall!), but has only just been uploaded to YouTube — where there are at least half a dozen reasons why it might not stay for long. (I've downloaded it already.)

I could also have posted it on all or any of these other threads:


The planned takedown of America: now in full swing (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111213-The-planned-takedown-of-America-now-in-full-swing.)
David Rogers Webb's new book "The Great Taking" (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122242-David-Rogers-Webb-s-new-book-The-Great-Taking)
Donald Trump arrested and charged (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120760-Donald-Trump-arrested-and-charged)
God Save Canada (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102121-God-Save-Canada)
Turmoil in Argentina (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109065-Turmoil-in-Argentina).

Martenson opens by praising Argentina's new President Milei, but this was recorded before Milei pulled Argentina out of joining BRICS. I posted earlier (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1591899#post1591899) that Milei was bad news, and I still hold to that. While I take the points that Martenson makes about him, it'd be interesting to know what he thinks now.

Witnessing Democracy's Decline: My Reflections and Fears


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ7bzFDVM4w

[Arcturian108]

This is the strongest uncensored rant I've ever heard from Chris Martenson. The video was recorded on 21 December for his Peak Prosperity members (safe behind his paywall!), but has only just been uploaded to YouTube — where there are at least half a dozen reasons why it might not stay for long. (I've downloaded it already.)

I could also have posted it on all or any of these other threads:


The planned takedown of America: now in full swing (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111213-The-planned-takedown-of-America-now-in-full-swing.)
David Rogers Webb's new book "The Great Taking" (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122242-David-Rogers-Webb-s-new-book-The-Great-Taking)
Donald Trump arrested and charged (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120760-Donald-Trump-arrested-and-charged)
God Save Canada (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102121-God-Save-Canada)
Turmoil in Argentina (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109065-Turmoil-in-Argentina).

Martenson opens by praising Argentina's new President Milei, but this was recorded before Milei pulled Argentina out of joining BRICS. I posted earlier (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1591899#post1591899) that Milei was bad news, and I still hold to that. While I take the points that Martenson makes about him, it'd be interesting to know what he thinks now.

Witnessing Democracy's Decline: My Reflections and Fears


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ7bzFDVM4w

I had the privilege of meeting G. Edward Griffin on several occasions, once in Australia and once in America. He is one of our guiding lights, still active at age 92.

[Mike]

For me, personally, the shock comes from the lack of response the indifference by all I come in contact with.
I work at a hotel and do delivery driving part time. I'm in contact with your common man.
People simply don't care.
People are brainwashed.
If you try to talk to people they are triggered.
No one is allowed to talk about anything controversial.
What that really means is no one is allowed to talk about conservative matters.
And if you mention Trump you're getting written up.
But,,, you can talk and or say anything liberal leaning what so ever.

I have witnessed the judicial system attack Trump nonstop for the past six or seven years and I'm not even allowed to talk about it. It's insane!!!!


I don't think it's that people don't care necessarily. Some are too weak and weary to fight it all, and some are just cowards.

The average person - who is being bludgeoned by countless stressors on a daily basis - simply has no more emotional/mental capacity for controversy. They're all maxed out...mentally, emotionally, spiritually, financially...

They understand intuitively that they're not prepared on any level to accept what you have to tell them. So, with their very sanity hanging in the balance, they will fight you tooth and nail on this stuff. Or they'll simply dismiss you...which gives the impression of not caring but is really something else entirely (deep denial).

They know something is off, but they'd rather live with the cognitive dissonance if it means things will remain relatively stable. They understand that to fight will result in instability, and they no longer have the strength or bravery to endure it. Plus some are just justifiably afraid, which is understandable. But sadly they're not afraid of the right things!

And it's because most people don't have any grasp on history at all...even relatively recent history. I didn't either really, I'm embarrassed to say, until recently. Most haven't the slightest clue where collectivism leads to, or even what it is really. It's a pretty simple concept that gets lost in language (deliberately). The crap they promote goes by many different names - equity, social justice, critical social justice, woke, collectivism etc. But it's all just repackaged Marxism/communism/socialism.

[Johnnycomelately]

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They know something is off, but they'd rather live with the cognitive dissonance if it means things will remain relatively stable. They understand that to fight will result in instability, and they no longer have the strength or bravery to endure it. Plus some are just justifiably afraid, which is understandable. But sadly they're not afraid of the right things!
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Is that (bolded text) what they call a Freudian Slip? Do you really champion FEAR, as long as it’s the right ones? IMO, fear is, like sadness, a symptom of lack of love.

[Mike]

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They know something is off, but they'd rather live with the cognitive dissonance if it means things will remain relatively stable. They understand that to fight will result in instability, and they no longer have the strength or bravery to endure it. Plus some are just justifiably afraid, which is understandable. But sadly they're not afraid of the right things!
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Is that (bolded text) what they call a Freudian Slip? Do you really champion FEAR, as long as it’s the right ones? IMO, fear is, like sadness, a symptom of lack of love.


The point I was making there is that people who are afraid of taking action now should be far more afraid of what will eventually happen if they don't.

Fear can be useful if it makes you act to prevent disaster. It's not useful when you allow it to frighten you into inaction.

[ozmirage]

DEMOCRACY has always been a vile form, where a majority can legally persecute a minority or tax the snot out of them.

I prefer the republican form, where all men are created equal (before the law - none HIGHER) with Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass. Absent consent of the governed, these servant governments are limited to adjudicating disputes, prosecuting criminals, and defending against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Of course, once you consent, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

(a REPUBLICAN FORM is not synonymous with a REPUBLIC. The Peoples Republic of China is a republic but NOT a republican form. Nor can any constitution create a republican form, ergo it's not a "constitutional republic.")

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping this thread, which I'd suggest is an important one, with a new report from Kim Iverson, also withNebojsa Malic, a columnist for Antiwar.com and RT America, now based in Belgrade, Serbia. Here's her opening:
I think deep down, whether we want to vocalize it or not, most people in this country feel that it's over for democracy.

From Ukraine to Epstein: How American Democracy has already Crossed the Rubicon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEHWOyv19-4