Live Hearing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena 26 July 2023

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National Security Subcommittee to Hold LIVE Hearing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena

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WASHINGTON—The Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs will hold a hearing titled “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency (https://oversight.house.gov/).”

The subcommittee hearing will explore firsthand accounts of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) and assess the federal government’s transparency and accountability regarding UAPs’ possible threats to U.S. national security. This hearing will also highlight legislative efforts to bring transparency to UAPs and require the federal government to provide the American people with information about potential risks to public safety and national security.

“The Pentagon and Washington bureaucrats have kept this information hidden for decades, and we’re finally going to shed some light on it. We’re bringing in credible witnesses who can provide public testimony because the American people deserve the truth. We’re done with the cover-ups,” said Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.).

In 2022, at the direction of Congress, the Department of Defense created the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) to investigate UAP reports. The federal government spends millions of dollars examining UAPs yet refuses to be forthcoming with the American people as it continues to declassify certain videos and studies on various UAP incidents with little clarity on the subject’s origins.

“The status quo on the part of the U.S. government has been to leave the American public in the dark regarding information about UAPs, refuse to answer questions posed by whistleblowers, avoid the concerns Americans have about the possible threats UAPs pose to our national security and public safety, and default to extreme and unnecessary over-classification. If the last few months have taught me anything, it is that this is an issue that matters to Americans. It also impacts the transparency and accountability our government is supposed to grant to the people who it serves. I look forward to bringing this topic to light,” said Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.).

WHAT: Hearing titled “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency.”
DATE: Wednesday, July 26, 2023
TIME: 10:00 a.m. ET
LOCATION: 2154 Rayburn House Office Building
WITNESSES:


Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace
Rt. Commander David Fravor, Former Commanding Officer, Black Aces Squadron, U.S. Navy
David Grusch, Former National Reconnaissance Officer Representative, Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force, Department of Defense

The hearing will be open to the public and press and will be livestreamed online at oversight.house.gov (https://oversight.house.gov/). Press must be congressionally credentialed and must RSVP by emailing oversightgoppressrsvp@mail.house.gov by Tuesday, July 25 at 5:00pm.


source (https://oversight.house.gov/release/national-security-subcommittee-to-hold-hearing-on-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena%ef%bf%bc/)

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A House panel is holding a congressional hearing Wednesday on unidentified anomalous phenomena, also known as unidentified flying objects, or UFOs.

Lawmakers on the House Oversight Committee’s subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs will hear public testimony from three individuals (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/07/25/ufo-navy-pilot-awareness-congressional-hearing-cnntm-vpx.cnn)who previously served in the US militaryat 10 a.m. ET. The witnesses include: David Grusch, a former intelligence officer in the US Air Force; David Fravor, a retired US Navy commander; and Ryan Graves, a former Navy pilot.

The hearing is the latest push by lawmakers, intelligence officials and military personnel working on unexplained aerial phenomena to probe the issue on a national platform.

Republican Rep. Tim Burchett of Tennessee said in a news release last week announcing the hearing that the witnesses would “provide public testimony because the American people deserve the truth.”

At previous congressional hearings, lawmakers have pressed the Department of Defense on the sightings, describing them as potential national security threats (https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/17/politics/house-ufo-hearing-congress/index.html).

Last year, the House Intelligence Committee held the first congressional hearing on UAPs in decades (https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/politics/ufo-hearing-house-intelligence-committee), and a Senate Armed Services subcommittee heard from the director of the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office in April.

Sean Kirkpatrick, director of the office formed to focus on the sightings, told the Senate panel at the time that the government is tracking more than 650 potential cases.

“Of those over 650, we’ve prioritized about half of them to be of anomalous interesting value, and now we have to go through those and go ‘How much of those do I have actual data for?’” he said.
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Jeremy Corbell On Fox News: UFO Hearings In Congress Next Week Will Be 'Historic'!

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source (https://rumble.com/v31f7pe-jeremy-corbell-on-fox-news-ufo-hearings-in-congress-next-week-will-be-histo.html)

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[Lilyofthestars]

Watching the live hearing now.. From the time I saw David's interview I intuitively knew he was partially lying and doing the work of the CIA. There is something entirely off about David Grusch, and I believe that one day we will find out he was controlled disclosure. There's a reason that the CIA is allowing him to come out right now. I don't doubt the existence of UFO's, an extraterrestrial presence, and their interactions on earth having gone on for thousands of years... I've had my own direct experiences that have proven that to me. But, true whistle blowers are never as confident as David Grusch. For anyone who is genuinely giving honest information, their lives are wrecked and ruined by the the CIA or they are literally found dead. I think Mr. Grusch's body language says it all.. If congress is going to have a "whistle blower protection" hearing on UFO's, there are much better people they could have called to the stand. Mr. Grusch's Newsmax interview was set up by the CIA and was very deliberate timing. That much is obvious.

My personal feeling is that Dr. Greer is soon going to end up being right. I know a lot of people think he has been discredited and proven a liar - I disagree completely and that was nothing more than a clever smear campaign which sadly succeeded. The real frauds are people like Tom Delonge of Blink 182 (though probably not his fault) and his "to the stars academy" non-sense which was sold to the public like candy. Didn't work out too well..

This is happening now because they're about to create an "alien" threat to the public within the coming 1-3 years, or so. Though I do feel that even Dr. Greer's recent convention which was inspired by David Grusch's sudden bursting onto the scene, and which showcased some top whistle blowers might have been compromised. Really, of course such a convention would be compromised.. For as genuine of Dr. Greer truly is, most all well known and famous UFO investigators end up inadvertently becoming an CIA asset (unbeknownst to them) by simply passing on some serious lies by such disinformation agents. One of the fellows was wearing a free mason button on his suit which I found highly suspicious. Greer is also not beyond falling victim to trained disinformation agents any more than congress is clearly falling victim to it right now. Many of these CIA disinformation agents are incredibly talented at what they do, and there is not ONE researcher of the UFO phenomenon alive today who hasn't been manipulated by the CIA. However, given that Greer has literally interviewed thousands(no exaggeration) of high government officials over the course of his 30+ year career as a researcher into the topic, I still see him as one of the best investigators in the field and he has contributed an enormous amount of genuine and accurate insight to the topic. Not every whistle blower Greer has interviewed has been a liar. But you can be sure a handful of them are.

What we're seeing today is for show and so that the public will fear the "alien threat" coming our way.

ETA: As the hearing goes on, it is impossible to ignore the dead eye stare, callous cold eyes, dead emotion, and total lack of humanity in Mr. Graves and Mr. Grusch's body language. These are not threatened whistle blowers. "Golden credentials" is not evidence of anything and doesn't mean that someone hasn't been recruited to high level CIA disinformation efforts. I've really just added my two cents to this historical event and don't plan on debating about it with anyone, so apologies in advance if I don't reply after this.

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Total length of time of this New UAP Hearing 2023 is: 2 hours and 18 minutes and is in my view 100% worth of our time ... I hope soon to produce a personal "report/analyses" on it!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[grapevine]

Thanks John - agree 100%, even after all the hype of the last few weeks, and looking forward to reading your analysis :thumbsup:

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[Artemesia]

I do think this hearing was a significant step forward in public involvement in FULL disclosure, but I think its also important to remember what we have seen in the past and how to protect this important energetic field opening created by today's hearing to guard against the ongoing and repeated hijack and obfuscation.
1) it is important to remember that what we have seen in the outer field that any event of significance will then be analyzed for how it can be hijacked and utilized to further the war on consciousness agenda. 'The them's" as I just generally refer to the archontic deceivers will use their same few dance moves, in fact they already did during the hearing. The focus was on threat assessment (fear based decision making which will be used to drive false flag events) and the insistence that information is needed for 'scientific and analytic reasons.' Again ZERO mention of the significance to human consciousness or spiritual evolution for the masses who have largely bought the spoon fed controlled narrative of nothing to see here. The far more significant revelation of Grush is that it exists. What anyone on planet chooses to do with that understanding is theirs and theirs alone, this is the self-sovereign right to grasp and act upon information and understandings as the individual sees fit to add to their own soul evolution and highest expression of their unique heroic probability, to use the Joseph Campbell term.
2) Intent is the critically important piece in determining the law of structure that lays down the energetic architecture for any interaction on any level, seen and unseen. When I beleive it was Raskin asked each witness to divulge their reasons for whistleblowing, it is SUPER important to note their responses. In the case of Grush he stated that it was to protect his colleague pilots 'for safety reasons', that same ol same ol blanket term we see time and again as formless excuse for all kinds of evil actions and rollouts. If his statement had been to allow the greater human populace to be at last allowed access to information, data and accounts from which to make their own reality assessment in full (or more full, depending on any given person's ability to even critically and spiritually-energetically assess personal, experiential and also externally supplied data), then that would be a benevolent intent as it comes from a NEUTRAL FIELD of awareness, allowing for individual freedom within that structure. but for his intent to be a boil down of 'help my buddies', well ok. remember the the Godfather line, " I tell the truth even when I am lying'. When you can look at the energetic field from the underlying intent, the law of consent (he repeatedly deferred to I can say that... so then he is in consent with forces that are imposing consciousness subjugation and thus should be weighed with awareness of that observer point aspect that is energetically harnessed to an externally imposed set of laws of structure) .

So yes, something super important happened today. But also again, disclosure happens with us, each of us, on an individual SPIRITUAL, ENERGETIC AND CONSCIOUSNESS LEVEL. it is not coming from an external source, give up on that entirely. but, if we consciously collaborate with this unique moment, or 'aperture of awareness' to use the term Grush himself utilized, then we each have the opportunity to engage with this newly opened field of discussion, almost like a sudden appearance of a Rumi field of non-judgement but rather careful discernment, guided from spiritual awareness of natural laws and how the architecture flows, given all that we have witnessed in our lifetime of experience and our unique personal understanding of those organic flows, and realize that there is a platform that has been generated in the field that is significant and should be respected for that, and for all that it has taken on an individual and collective level, under a tide of the history of great duress of violent suppression, to acheive this moment. we have been nurtured to the nexus of this moment. and will be held in the grace of that into the next, and the next and the next. if we each act with integrity, respect for one another, from our heart centered awareness of the consciousness opportunity that this has presented us with, rather than from ego and judgements or the old SOP tactics of fear, divide and conquer, threat based decision the thems want us to continue to propagate from their imposed colonized mindsets of anti-life and consciousness enslavement, watch for these tactics, and proceed ever onward with our own journies in truth, for disclosure, as we work to re-join the cosmic community in FULL DISCLOSURE AND AWARENESS FOR ALL THAT THAT RESPONSIBIILTY ENTAILS, then we can move forward into this profound new phase of the journey.

as a dear friend of mine once liked to say, 'the truth is out there, its inside you.' walk in that light and never give up, and we will all find ourselves in the greater cosmic awareness of our truth and our origins in the stars, together, in exploration and peace as was intended, at long last.
so yeah, after all that?
today is the first day of the rest of the day.
this is not the end, this is not the beginning, this is not the beginning of the end, this is the end of the beginning.

[aoibhghaire]

First impact on media USA about The Washington conference, just before the live session

Washington UFO UAP - Big News

The Independent

UFO hearing – live: Pentagon whistleblowers to testify before Congress about alien sightings
Lawmakers are set to hold a congressional hearing on UFOs on Capitol Hill on Wednesday, where several
Pentagon whistleblowers ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...use-committee-pentagon-b2382196.html

ABC 7

House UFO hearing today to feature former official claiming knowledge of US finding alien crafts
UFO whistleblower claims: Congressional UAP hearing features former official claiming knowledge of US
finding alien crafts - ABC7 Los Angeles

CBS POLITICS

Watch Live: UFO hearing underway as House panel pushes for more transparency - CBS News

The Guardian

UFO hearings live: Republicans claim ‘we’re going to uncover the cover-up’ as Congress examines spacecraft claims (the guardian.com)

UFO hearing – live: Pentagon whistleblowers to testify before Congress about alien sightings

Lawmakers are holding a congressional hearing on UFOs on Capitol Hill, where several Pentagon

[Lilyofthestars]

UFO hearings live: Republicans claim ‘we’re going to uncover the cover-up’ as Congress examines spacecraft claims (the guardian.com)



Sure they will, sure they will. The illusion that we're "uncovering the truth" is precisely what the CIA is orchestrating right now. Sadly, less than 1% of humanity (which is probably being overly generous) will catch onto that as earth shattering events unfold before 2030. We're in for a wild ride.

[Pris]

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HAHA the perfect BS -- aliens again. Right on schedule to distract everyone from all the sh*te hitting the fan right now that they don't want you to see. Like this:

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[shaberon]

What we're seeing today is for show and so that the public will fear the "alien threat" coming our way.


Haven't we "been there done that" with "War of the Worlds"--a piece of fiction?

Who the heck actually believes in "national security"--something that is remarkably unthreatened, and, protected by those who cannot do anything about Jan. 6, 2021, even with foreknowledge??

Both of those were domestic panics, nothing from the outside is necessary.

If fifty+ years of "sightings" were really "threatening", we'd be dead by now.

I smell censorship, central control, and probably another siphoning of taxpayer funds so the NSA can keep their cushy office jobs.

But, ok, let's see what comes out of it.

[thepainterdoug]

So I watched the UFO hearings today, rebranded by Killary as "UAP,s", so right off ,I reject that acronym .

Regardless of being a bit distracted by an untimely phone call, here is my take.
Put aside, any possible distraction agenda and tactics to obfuscate the H Biden issues, this will be a difficult genie to put back in the bottle.
ITS OUT !!

And why i say this is regardless of tangible proof as in actual bodies etc, this convincing and harmonious meeting went out to the entire county, the world and all the media.

Perception is truth! and especially in our present day of 2+2 does not equal 4, the very credible presentation was quite profound in my view.

A bi partisian hearing, including Ocassio Cortez, maybe the first time I tolerated her, seemed like a gov body working in concert for its people.
The only real indictment raised of any foul wrong doing , was pinned against the fumbling, bumbling Biden admin for its balloon fiasco , and Washington DC,s general dysfunction . All seemed to agree.

So Biden does not get any credit for offering any disclosure here! and one would think they would want to scoff up the credit, but not so. Perhaps COG. ?? Pris?


No matter what, this changes the terrain from here on. One or two witnesses fake? But all three and all having multiple witnesses behind the scenes with them built over so much time, its game nearing over.

Most all here at Avalon know or are open to this truth. I know we can all say, ho hum, nothing new. But think of what this will mean to the march in step normies and the new young openminded people?

this is a huge step forward in my mind
pd

[Lilyofthestars]

this is a huge step forward in my mind
pd

I'd agree with you if I thought they were going to say good things in the future about the ET presence, but I don't think that's within their many decades old long plan set.. Carol Rosin is someone I feel was telling the truth all this time after all. Not sure how many are familiar with her claims but I personally do not think she's a liar. This is only the first phase in essentially admitting they're here and that biological bodies were recovered, and so on. So when someone says "haven't we been down this road before?". Actually, no, we haven't had a full blown acknowledgement like this in front of the world for the entire public to see. In the past, the US congress is normally told that there's no cheese down that tunnel and that there's simply no evidence to suggest there's an extraterrestrial presence from non-earth origins. Not sure how much other countries have publicly acknowledged or not acknowledged it's reality. Mr. Grusch plans on doing a "closed doors" Q and A with congress later he stated, and so I can only imagine what sort of alien slandering is going to go on there.. From here forward they will likely be painting the story that these beings are dangerous and that we must ramp up military defense, and so on. Over the last decade there's even been US ARMY commercials advertising military members "winning the war" against the aliens. Not sure how many people saw that marketing... The US Space force wasn't just founded on the principle of defense against our perceived terrestrial adversaries, clearly. It was all in deliberate timing for the eventual acknowledgment of the ET presence, and turning us against them later on of course. If we were going to be attacked/harmed by ET's it would have happened by now. THEY are not the bad guys - we are. I think the CIA can't handle the fact that they aren't as in control as they'd like to be of this world and the universe.

A clip from today for anyone who missed it:

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ETA: For the record, I've had at least, I'm estimating, 50 or so UFO experiences. Some of those I feel were simply government reverse engineered vehicles, but not all of them. Some have been genuine visitations from highly evolved beings who I believe to be loving and cosmically attuned for purposes of supporting light, consciousness freedom, purity, and goodness. I've also had one abduction experience. I don't believe they are what we're soon going to be lead to believe they are by US "whistle blowers" in the coming months/years. I think we're going to be heavily lied to about the ET presence, their purpose, what they're doing here, and what the supposed "situation" is. They know they have to tell us eventually, but only on their terms and THEIR chosen narrative. I wouldn't trust an ounce of what we're about to find out over the coming years. I've seen too much and experienced too much to know most of it is lies.

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Lillyofthestars

Understood. Again I was stating public perception. It's important because regardless of the nuances involved in the deeper story, no one will be able to return to the days of giggling news anchors and denial. Its out! and the new young people becoming aware will accept it as a given

btw Im friends with Carol and we speak often. I included her in my whistleblower series of portraits

[Lilyofthestars]

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Understood. Again I was stating public perception. It's important because regardless of the nuances involved in the deeper story, no one will be able to return to the days of giggling news anchors and denial. Its out! and the new young people becoming aware will accept it as a given

btw Im friends with Carol and we speak often. I included her in my whistleblower series of portraits

Agreed, and I am excited about that much. Gave a little re-edit to my previous reply where I shared my own UFO experiences. Might check it out. How wonderful that you know Carol. :heart2::sunrise:

[Pris]

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So I watched the UFO hearings today, rebranded by Killary as "UAP,s", so right off ,I reject that acronym .

Regardless of being a bit distracted by an untimely phone call, here is my take.
Put aside, any possible distraction agenda and tactics to obfuscate the H Biden issues, this will be a difficult genie to put back in the bottle.
ITS OUT !!

And why i say this is regardless of tangible proof as in actual bodies etc, this convincing and harmonious meeting went out to the entire county, the world and all the media.

Perception is truth! and especially in our present day of 2+2 does not equal 4, the very credible presentation was quite profound in my view.

A bi partisian hearing, including Ocassio Cortez, maybe the first time I tolerated her, seemed like a gov body working in concert for its people.
The only real indictment raised of any foul wrong doing , was pinned against the fumbling, bumbling Biden admin for its balloon fiasco , and Washington DC,s general dysfunction . All seemed to agree.

So Biden does not get any credit for offering any disclosure here! and one would think they would want to scoff up the credit, but not so. Perhaps COG. ?? Pris?


No matter what, this changes the terrain from here on. One or two witnesses fake? But all three and all having multiple witnesses behind the scenes with them built over so much time, its game nearing over.

Most all here at Avalon know or are open to this truth. I know we can all say, ho hum, nothing new. But think of what this will mean to the march in step normies and the new young openminded people?

this is a huge step forward in my mind
pd


No, I'm not buying any of it. Until I shake hands with an "alien" (and even that I'll question, I've had them in OBEs -- even conjured one up in my kitchen lol)... No question the UFOs are from the Deep State and/or OTHER foreign governments, certainly. Back engineering each other? Sure, why not. UFOs from extra-terrestrial aliens, nope.

I think the "alien" angle has been meant to throw everyone off for decades... plant the seed to confuse everyone (add hyperreality, predictative programming...) and then use that to ridicule anyone nosing around their bases, questioning their experimental test craft. The "alien" angle has allowed the Deep State to play with their sequestered tech knowledge with impunity. From what I see, any so-called "alien disclosure" doesn't address their illegal/criminal activities. Instead, the distraction and misdirection keeps their activities alive and well.

They obviously like to play around with their weapons tech/bio-tech toys... The "alien" angle has made a perfect "National Enquirer" cover story for what has likely been decades of continuous human medical/psyop experimentation (include cattle/animal mutilation, reproductive research etc., ongoing tech and bioweapons research/transhumanism crap). Now, the same people (experts in psychological warfare) want us to take "aliens" seriously. I think it's all an ongoing coverup for their crimes against humanity. Where does everyone think the mRNA thing sprang out from? Nine pages of side effects that they wanted kept hidden for 75 years? Who did they test it on (and for how many years) to arrive at NINE PAGES OF CLEARLY DEFINED SIDE-EFFECTS for something supposedly "brand new" they said was "safe and effective"? (They already held the patents on COVID-19 before the so-called "pandemic" even happened.) They've known exactly what kind of deadly toxin (with self-organizing graphene oxide when exposed to strong EMF fields lol, also causing VAIDS) they've unleashed upon humanity. Psychopathic globalists are behind everything, remember that.



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[Lilyofthestars]

Who did they test it on to arrive at nine pages of clearly defined side effects for something they said was "safe and effective"?

probably kidnapped homeless people... but I completely agree about your comments regarding what the vaccinations are actually intended for. We haven't seen their true potential just yet and I do think it's related to EMF's and how they can potentially interface with what's being permanently infused into your body through the mRNA technology. Redacted has had some really great interviews with scientists who were able to see that they're using certain proteins to cover up what's actually happening at the most nano-scale size so that scientists will struggle seeing what's actually in there. They don't want people to see behind the curtain.

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Congressman Tim Burchett speaks after Congressional Hearing on UAPs and UFOs:

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LIVE FROM CAPITOL: Jeremy Corbell Breaks Down UFO Hearings

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WATCH: Congressman Matt Gaetz at Oversight Hearing on UAPs 🛸

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[thepainterdoug]

My Carol Rosen portrait from my 100 portraits of whistleblowers.

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So when someone says "haven't we been down this road before?". Actually, no, we haven't had a full blown acknowledgement like this in front of the world for the entire public to see.


I was reacting to your statement that this is a "show", for fear-mongering purposes. One time, it definitely did cause mass panic--due to fiction that sounded like news.

That was followed by a prediction that more fiction will repeat a similar scenario, although this fiction may have testimony and governmental backing.

I am just challenging "National Security" as a canard from the very outset. Sort of like suggesting "alien presence" to distract from a criminal regime on control of a country.

Also, the CIA does not "control everything" or "control timing", they are completely capable of failure. From my view, they are not even very good propagandists...granted, it does not take much to misguide an uneducated populace.

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And the "false flag" show has begun.

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A bi partisian hearing, including Ocassio Cortez, maybe the first time I tolerated her, seemed like a gov body working in concert for its people.


You can't be serious. "Aliens" arrive just in the nick of time to unite the world -- united under the NWO. It's in their playbook.

If "National Enquirer" could have the perfect spokesperson, it would be AOC. So, it's all an act, it's all lies... but not about aliens. Aliens are different. Double Clown World just stepped up to Triple.

The Left sends in their best and brightest...



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She's so goofy, sometimes I think she's a secret undercover agent (Central Casting) sent in by the White Hats to decimate the Left so people wake up.

[arwen]

Interesting deconstruction of the hearings - 50 minutes:


Dark Journalist of https://darkjournalist.com/ and Dr. Darren J. Beattieof https://revolver.news join The Alex Jones Show to break down the reality of UFO disclosure.

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Pris lol i said "seemed". And it did. God so much cynicism we all live with, there is not end to it. Now Im listening to Dark Journalist and hes wriritng the entire thing off as B S.

But I have been stressing the point of PUBLIC PERCEPTION . That cannot be undone in my humble naive opinion

[Artemesia]

They know they have to tell us eventually, but only on their terms and THEIR chosen narrative. I wouldn't trust an ounce of what we're about to find out over the coming years. I've seen too much and experienced too much to know most of it is lies.


Absolutely Lilyofthestars! I concur completely. This is why I say time and again, disclosure comes from US. Every step of the way. Individuals doing the moment to moment work to share what we have experienced.

In scanning the thread today to get a pulse check on where the consciousness flow is at today after the hearings, I still feel like there are many even here on Avalon who dont grasp the reality assessment responsibility we are facing. If hundreds of thousands of people across the world, from many different cultures, religious mindsets, ecotype environments and political terrains over thousands of years of recorded history that has not been fully usurped, destroyed and falsely discredited all say hey, the ET and negative alien presence is real and an ongoing feature of (many of our) DAILY lives, then this is a FACT. It is not a ‘maybe’ needing a government authority presentation to validate. The government card we saw get played today is
Just that, a PLAY. So then we, as citizens and experiencers doing our own due diligence to understand what we are seeing in the interactive holographic field of awareness play out, begin to observe how and why they are choosing to play the old maid card right exactly NOW. Timing is EVERYTHING. Its why I have chosen to show up again here on this forum after almost a decade of (enforced and also self-protective) silence.

So yes, Lilyofthestars, those of us who have been living with the ET and negative alien comprehension and interactions are in a powerful space to NOT allow the figurehead government players to hijack and commandeer the dialogue that is now proceeding forward in a new way after total energetic block. Sorta like how they ‘legalized’ marijuana after they had fully hybridized it and linked it in to the imposter demonic links in the way they wanted, I think we look at this with the wisdom of our own hard won wisdom and continue to do the real ground crew work of disclosure, because it is totally all us, ‘the thems’ recognize this to at least some extent, and so they are trying to bossypants this like always. But we have choice in each moment of expression, and I know my personal choice is that its not going to go that way, not as far as my sphere of influence in a very large dynamic that i am but a small particle field within. But as a wave form influence as well, I know the divine direction is far more powerful, so I ride that flow in guided timing and divine right order and right relation.

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We are the ones we have been waiting for. *WE* are the disclosure movement, not them. They are the game players and the war matrix. Sensing the difference and acting accordingly with integrity and peaceful calm alertness is clearly to be our current focus.

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Pris lol i said "seemed". And it did. God so much cynicism we all live with, there is not end to it. Now Im listening to Dark Journalist and hes wriritng the entire thing off as B S.

But I have been stressing the point of PUBLIC PERCEPTION . That cannot be undone in my humble naive opinion


You're right, I've gotten a little cynical in my older age. You've noticed. ;D

My problem with all of it is that I, myself, am not convinced anymore of anything outside of what we humans are doing to each other. Humans can be such mischievous, cunning creatures. Some are monstrous. Over the years, having discovered that psychopaths have pretty much been in control of society for many decades (if not centuries!) manipulating and harming us all, my cynicism has peaked.

Public perception?... Since I think it's all nonsense, I'm guessing I'm not the only one who thinks so. But, for those who are going along with it... just when the tin-foil hat wearers were starting to gain some respect, this isn't helping. Fifth generation warfare... what an attention-grabber this is. Many will happily focus on "aliens" and ignore everything now being revealed about the Biden Crime Family as the process for impeaching Joe Biden begins.

[Pris]

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Interesting deconstruction of the hearings - 50 minutes:


Dark Journalist of https://darkjournalist.com/ and Dr. Darren J. Beattieof https://revolver.news join The Alex Jones Show to break down the reality of UFO disclosure.

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This is a fantastic show that not only goes into the whole human black ops advanced technology coverup using made-up "aliens" to misdirect the public, they even talk about Elon Musk and his Twitter X (...relating to [what has been previously hidden] advanced technology). There's a fascinating explanation as to why Elon may be using the X publicly at this time in relation to Trump and the United States Space Force (USSF)... For the part with Elon Musk, start at 36:13. About 10 minutes.


Also on Bitchute:

Are Congressional UFO Whistleblowers for Real? Dark Journalist and Alex Jones Report

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[aoibhghaire]

Here is a reaction update from the media after the Congress hearings

UFO hearing live updates: Lawmakers, witnesses accuse Pentagon of ‘cover up’ - The Hill (26.7.2023)

https://thehill.com/homenews/4118340-ufo-hearing-live-updates-lawmakers-former-officials-strange-sightings/

Whistleblower tells Congress the US is concealing ‘multi-decade’ program that captures UFOs AP The Associated Press (26.7.2023)

https://apnews.com/article/ufos-uaps-congress-whistleblower-spy-aliens-ba8a8cfba353d7b9de29c3d906a69ba7

UFO hearing key takeaways: What a whistleblower told Congress about UAP - CBS news (26.7.2023)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-hearing-congress-uap-takeaways-whistleblower-conference-david-grusch-2023/

UFO hearings: whistleblower David Grusch says ‘non-human biologics’ found at alleged crash sites – as it happened - The Guardian (26.7.2023)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jul/26/ufo-hearing-congress-david-grusch-whistleblower-live-updates

UFO hearing: Former official testifies on alleged US program for alien spacecrafts - ABC 7news (26.7.2023)

https://abc7chicago.com/ufo-hearing-uap-david-grusch-whistleblower-claims/13551080/

UFO hearing – live: Pentagon whistleblowers share explosive claims of alien technology defying laws of physics - The Independent (26.7.2023)

https://independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ufo-hearing-congress-summary-updates-latest-b2382696.html

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

including Ocassio Cortez, maybe the first time I tolerated her,

Was waiting for her ask what the aliens' pronouns were (semi joke).

It frustrated me that all the juicy stuff was to be restricted to "closed sessions".

The entire cover-up was built on closed bloody sessions. What use spilling the beans in a SCIF? Congress are just going to keep it to themselves anyway because "national security" or some crap, or "the people cannot handle the truth". And the cover up will just continue.

Alternatively we'll get, as many anticipate, a carefully contrived soft disclosure consisting of scare tactics -- with aliens as the new boogie man. Whatever they can come up with to justify higher taxes and increased military spending.

I am glad Grusch came along, as it's a step in the right direction. But until we get into that real nitty-gritty and in open sessions I'm not going to buy into this spectacle. Show us the historical context (and the content). Show us where the billions of taxpayer money has gone. Let's talk Majestic shall we? Let's get into Roswell – for REAL, and the Secret Space Program. Show us pictures. Show us the bodies. Show us the full unedited film reel of the Holloman landings.

That would be a start, a useful preface. Until then, I see this as little more than theatre.

[ExomatrixTV]

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[shaberon]

In scanning the thread today to get a pulse check on where the consciousness flow is at today after the hearings, I still feel like there are many even here on Avalon who dont grasp the reality assessment responsibility we are facing. If hundreds of thousands of people across the world, from many different cultures, religious mindsets, ecotype environments and political terrains over thousands of years of recorded history that has not been fully usurped, destroyed and falsely discredited all say hey, the ET and negative alien presence is real and an ongoing feature of (many of our) DAILY lives, then this is a FACT. It is not a ‘maybe’ needing a government authority presentation to validate.


Same argument applies to anything.

If true, then...it makes no difference.

Viruses, we don't understand but its true, angels, we don't understand but its true, climate change either, cryptozoology, just about everything we name is misunderstood and a source of competing views.

Governments and laws are man-made, maybe it is the only thing that truly is. No ingredients like metal or electricity that someone might need to figure out. Has no purpose other than promoting general welfare, which does not consist of telling anyone what to think or believe, but to tax fairly and invest wisely. That's not the situation here.

I don't see this particular subject as having been any kind of public focus until after World War II, even though there may be a few old pictures and stories that could possibly be interpreted as support. Not many.

As to whether it grabs mass attention, so that people ignore what they already don't pay attention to...I don't see it happening. Ever since "freedom of speech" ceased to mean public discussion of anything significant, I have never heard anyone even speak about issues. Only a little bit about Covid, because the laws threw a monkey wrench into daily life. Actually the only thing I have seen in years is people fixed on their cell phones for entertainment purposes, that seems to be where attention goes.


My actual view is that there is no such thing as an uninhabited world, except they are not inhabited by physical beings, and what goes on would be more like astral projection. If some amount of that turned out to be physical, that is fine. The bar for evidence is just a lot stricter. None of that has been mentioned yet. If some weird looking person flew around in an unusual vehicle, if they really were physical, then they would have to prove that for example they did not launch out of Agartha. Could be an earthling trying to telepathize "I come from another galaxy", mis-direction like the regular government.

So far, what seems to be coming forward is that the military and various branches of the government do not work together and are not transparent to the citizenry, which is not news.

Anything more to this?

[ExomatrixTV]

""I told you, "UFO whistleblower 'Non human' biologics discovered | What they're not telling you!

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[Pris]

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I like what Styx had to say about the UFO subject being paraded in the (legacy) news right now. At one point, he shares his thoughts on the evolution of life which I don't particularly agree with, but other than that, I think he's got a good grasp of the situation, in my opinion. UFOs as "extra-terrestrial in origin" is a made-up distraction.


Say It With Me: UFO Stories are a Distraction

https://rumble.com/v32ms9u-say-it-with-me-ufo-stories-are-a-distraction.html
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[Pris]

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Let's talk Majestic shall we? Let's get into Roswell – for REAL, and the Secret Space Program. Show us pictures. Show us the bodies. Show us the full unedited film reel of the Holloman landings.

That would be a start, a useful preface. Until then, I see this as little more than theatre.


Perhaps, it's a bit more than just theater. The timing of it all seems planned -- but not necessarily for malevolent purposes. It's good that it looks like theater. That makes people start to ask questions which I think is the whole point. Things, usually, aren't as they seem.

Who is delivering the message? Friend or foe? If there is something to be disclosed, we can't have the lying insiders be the ones "disclosing" anything to us. Whatever they would pretend to disclose would only serve their secret agenda.

Perhaps, what we are witnessing today is the two "rivaling factions" taking their war out into the open. I'll speculate here: it's the good ol' Lemurians battling the bad ol' Atlantians. (There's the growing Earth/pole shift idea I want to talk about at some point that can explain that Lemuria is present day Australia and Atlantis is Antarctica -- that there never was a "Pangea" -- and a smaller Earth (less gravity) would explain the enormous size of the dinosaurs. Also, it seems we may have misinterpreted the years represented in old artwork/manuscripts/stained glass and we're not actually in the 21st century. We're off by 1000 years and it's actually the 11th century.) When it comes to present-day technology, we do seem to have advanced ourselves in the blink of an eye. But, that can be explained if we already had the technology or at least some of it. We seem to like to cyclically build ourselves up and then destroy ourselves over and over again.

Anyway, it all comes across to me that we humans are, likeliest, the ones behind it all. There's no "aliens", there's just us. The battle between Lemurian's and Atlantian's? Advanced technology -- the Vimana in India? It seems we've been at this battle forever. Did we originally come from Mars but we laid it to waste... so here we are on Earth now? If so, it seems the psychopaths within our midst seem intent on destroying all life and laying waste to planets. "Carbon Zero"? Seriously, how obvious do they need to be?

The psychos are not interested in "research and development". No, they're only interested in "research and destruction" -- torture... the mutilation and degradation of all life. They hate that they are unable to create new life from scratch so they take what is already here and ruin it. They want to de-nature everything. They despise life, the freedom of others, and the pure spark that is spirit. They are psychopathic control freaks and religious fanatics. They want to engage in what is morally and ethically forbidden, to corrupt purity and innocence -- to take it away from others -- because they do not have that quality in themselves. Somehow, removing it from others gives them their self-destructive, power-tripping high. No wonder most of them are pedophiles. They hate what is Good ("God") because they aren't it. They despise life as much as they loath themselves... which is why they particularly hate women. Women represent purity, compassion, intuition (in tune), and motherly love... because life is created inside a woman. She must forever be punished for this "sin". I think this is why these monsters enjoy killing/sacrificing the babies.

It seems these psychos (Black Hats) may have been messing around with genetics for a very long time, unleashing chimera back in our ancient history. What good is it for them to "show us the bodies"? It could simply be some monstrous thing they grew in a lab or inside a woman (womb-man) victim, using cloning technology etc. Whatever is going on, we would need people of highest integrity with the desire to help all of mankind to step forward and, finally, share the truth with the rest of us. We have the right to know. No one is above anyone.

As we go along, truth continues to be revealed. I think we are witnessing a most monumental time in our history. Maybe we are on the brink of the "White Hats" bringing it all out into the open, finally. It does seem like some dark,"secret society" of master manipulators is being revealed to us -- a society that's had medical, technical, and psychological advantage over us (but lacking soul) that's kept itself hidden from us throughout the centuries (I think Yahweh falls into that group). Wouldn't it be nice if the knowledge that's only benefited the so-called "breakaway society" will finally be available to all.


Behold, our advanced ancestors:


UFOs in ancient paintings

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Native American Thunderbird

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Mayan "aircraft"

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/63/29/90/6329903af76bc4d07193764f7c62e95d.jpg



Mayan "spaceship"

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Flying Vimana

https://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/Pushpaka-vimana-flies-in-the-sky-ufo.jpg

[arwen]

Here is a continuation of yesterday's (26/7/2023) conversation between Alex Jones and Dark Journalist. 67 minutes.

Jul 27, 2023


Dark Journalist of https://darkjournalist.com/ joins The Alex Jones Show to break down the fight to access the government's files on UFOs.

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[shaberon]

There's the growing Earth/pole shift idea I want to talk about at some point that can explain that Lemuria is present day Australia and Atlantis is Antarctica -- that there never was a "Pangea" -- and a smaller Earth (less gravity) would explain the enormous size of the dinosaurs.


I think there probably never was--not plate drift--vertical movement like pegs, with the two names as different historical epochs.

The planet accrues ~60 tons of cosmic dust per year, sounds like a lot, but I am not sure it adds much compared to the total mass.

Many reptiles, amphibians, and whales continue growing for their entire life.




Advanced technology -- the Vimana in India?


They don't question it, this being the same tradition which has an accurate record of the submergence of Dwarka.

If you understand witches' herbalism, like Shakespeare did--"eye of newt" being a mustard seed--the similar Indian encodings dwarf this, so, it is understandable no one can comprehend whatever may have been recorded that activates a Vimana.




It does seem like some dark,"secret society" of master manipulators is being revealed to us -- a society that's had medical, technical, and psychological advantage over us (but lacking soul) that's kept itself hidden from us throughout the centuries (I think Yahweh falls into that group). Wouldn't it be nice if the knowledge that's only benefited the so-called "breakaway society" will finally be available to all.


Yes and no...considering Yahweh as a local Canaanite volcano deity, the Demiurge or even lower, conflated with the Elohim, and mixed with extreme Manichean dualism. All that needs doing is deconstruct the Book of Genesis, because the first sentence is translated wrong, and to the extent the book probably referred to a Spirit on the Face of the Waters, the only important result is a material Creator, which now sub-stands most religions.

No Dharmic religion worships the Creator.

What knowledge could the redactors (such as Ezra) possibly hold besides materialistic manipulation?

Such a society has been "seen through" ever since it began, it just happened to erase any competing ideas in western languages. As you know, "thought control" by withholding information works almost effortlessly, whereas "injecting ideas" is considerably more difficult.



Native American Thunderbird

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0d/16/23/0d1623a70edfa73b3c9d5844a7eb8de1.jpg




I will see your Thunderbird and raise it to a Bogazkoy Seal:



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Homa bird, श्येन śyena, sēṇa brings down Soma.




And cite a paper (https://tamilandvedas.com/2014/09/06/indus-valley-to-egypt-lapis-lazuli-export/):

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Thanks to the clay tablets of Amarna letters we know that Dasaratha’s daughter Taduhepa ( Datta shivaa) was married to Amenophis III of Egypt. Dasaratha was ruling Syria and Turkey around 1380 BCE. He was assassinated in 1340 BCE. Mitanni kings followed Vedic religion is confirmed by Bogazkoy inscription where all the four major Vedic gods are mentioned in a treaty. Pratardhana – name in Vishnu sahasranama – was ruling Aleppo now in Syria. Turkey and Syria were ruled by the Vedic kings from 1480 BCE according to the clay tablets. Dasaratha sent Amenophis five chariots, five horses, trinkets of gold, a pair of gold rings and goodly stones, says one of the Amarna letters. We have more Sanskrit names and horse manual with Sanskrit numbers around 1400 BCE in Turkey. Marrying one’s daughter with a king of a neighboring country is a typical Hindu custom followed by kings from Kanyakumari to Kashmir and beyond. Afghan Gandhari and Iranian Kaikeyi were married to Drudharashtra and Dasaratha, because all those countries were ruled by the Hindus in those days.



Tip of the iceberg. There was some kind of continuity since around 8,000 B. C. E., until, by degrading Zoroastrianism and Abrahmic traditions, eventually we got a murderous Dark Age, whose result is "the West" breaking off and isolating itself, by ca. 600, it was finished. In the process, it wiped out Druidic Avalon and Bibractis, which most likely held its continuity to the rest of the world and less-materialistic values.

None of that, to my knowledge, makes any special notice about off-world beings, although the Vimana is definitely called an "airplane", without a known propulsion system--whatever it was, does not resemble internal combustion engines.

Another thing not mentioned with respect to some of the other paintings is the art of levitation. "Flying nuns" did not move around, they simply floated, i. e. by reducing the force of gravity, which does not, in turn, provide guidance.

I would tend to agree those are serious subjects, but they have no need of being explained by a "spacecraft" in the modern sense.

Agartha could be under Antarctica, and maybe they have Vimanas. The Germans thought so, and Admiral Byrd thought they were worth chasing, but did not get useful information.

I have personally been told there was a functional "Nazi Bell" at Stuttgart in the 1980s, but as to whether it was a gimmick. something for public display, there is no way to determine.

[ExomatrixTV]

"We Have Alien Bodies And They Are Hiding It From You" Bombshell UFO Testimony With Dr. Steven Greer:

kZle-PYmoQEOn Wednesday, Congress held a hearing about UAP’s or “unidentified aerial phenomena.” This is government speak for UFO. During the hearing, U.S. intelligence official David Grusch, a whistleblower, testified under oath before Congress that the United States has the bodies of alien pilots who were recovered from crashed UFO’s. He also said that we have crashed craft and that he will give more details about that in separate closed-door hearings. We speak to physician and ufologist Steven Greer on the matter.
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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Anyway, it all comes across to me that we humans are, likeliest, the ones behind it all. There's no "aliens", there's just us.

There are aliens -- extra-terrestrial and interdimensional -- and they are definitely not us. A variant of "us", visiting from some other reality or time, may exist as part of this phenomenon, I don't rule that out. But that "we" are the only life there is, that we're alone in the Universe, just isn't a sound argument. Even the most dyed in the wool sceptic can admit this is infinitely unlikely. The cosmos is literally teeming with life. I'm convinced there's life even in our own solar-system, although microbial in nature.

If you're dead-set against the idea of aliens existing that's okay, I won't argue the point (too much :bigsmile:). I did attempt to do so by relating my own close encounter experiences in another thread. There's many, many more people on the forum that have had the same or similar experiences. You can't just write them off as imagination.


The battle between Lemurian's and Atlantian's?

Atlantis I believe was the next phase of civilization and it succeeded Lemuria. I don't think the two existed in the same time-frame, much less warred with one another. There's a persuasive argument that suggests a contingent of Atlanteans persisted beyond the destruction and went underground. They can be thought of Ultra-terrestrials. The idea that humanoid Nordic type aliens are these ultra-terrestrials is a conceivable notion, but that's another discussion.


It does seem like some dark,"secret society" of master manipulators is being revealed to us -- a society that's had medical, technical, and psychological advantage over us (but lacking soul) that's kept itself hidden from us throughout the centuries (I think Yahweh falls into that group)

I think you may be overestimating these black hats. I don't underestimate them; we have only to look at history to see what damage has been done. For sure, some dark, meddling contingent or faction has been lurking behind the scenes for a very long time. Possibly as a lineage, or a series of secret societies, and reaching as far back as the Roman Empire, or possibly to Babylon. They may well worship some form of advanced, esoteric "outer force" -- call it demonic in nature, maybe that's true -- but this should not be conflated with extra-terrestrial visitation. And some of them quite benevolent.

I don't think there's any evidence for the elites possessing advanced technical or scientific knowledge prior to the 20th century. The earliest verifiable crash retrievals occurred in the 30s and 40s. Soon after, efforts began to co-opt this technology and back-engineer it for military purposes. This is where all the evidence points. Witnesses, whistle-blowers and documents all testify to that. Until then "they" had no idea what these things were. Because the technology is not of this planet. It's thousands if not millions of years beyond us. It wasn't made by us and doesn't belong to us.

I don't wish to belabour the point, but the ETs are most definitely real. The "black hats" know they're real, and have been keeping it secret for decades and experimenting in secret for that time. That this information is starting to leak out is a huge threat to the secret power they wield. You may see this as just a distraction. I don't. So many of us don't. Distractions are devised to steer attention from important issues (that threaten them) to something trivial and worthless. If anything this is the opposite of that.

This IS THE MOST paradigm-shifting revelation that could be revealed to our civilization, short of the provable existence of God. Whether disclosure will be positively aligned or negatively is for now a moot point. We will see. The overriding consequence however is inescapable, and irresistible: We are not alone.

By itself this will trigger in humanity a huge expansion of consciousness.

These black hats, whoever they are, absolutely do not want that.

[mountain_jim]

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1684673623678767104?s=20

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The total number of active duty US General Officers is capped at 231 for the US Army, 62 for the US Marine Corps, 198 for the US Air Force, and 162 for the US Navy.


How many of these 653 active US Generals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_(United_States)) are on "our side" (the people, upholding the oath) and how many are completely (willfully or unwillingly) slave to the Deep State serving a hijacked corrupted mafia type system?

Let's say 1 out of 10 or even 1 out of 20 ... is enough to ignite a chain reaction of events coming months, NO DOUBT of that ... and some of them may pose as a "whistler blower" but is part of a scheme to control the narrative serving a specific agenda! ... It is up to all of us to figure out who is who and practicing discernment skills which can never be spoon-fed by any so-called "authority" on anything.


Maybe we can create a joint open letter to all of them :) Asking specific, astute, way above average questions!



If only 1 of the 653 active US Generals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_(United_States)) respond back with new insights that turned out to be correct AND helpful, it is worth our effort! ... If there are more than one responding that way, we did something super important to speed up the Authentic UFO/UAP Disclosure Process that is beyond the sold (pushed) narratives of all mainstream media combined!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121591-Airforce-General-backs-Grusch-that-Aliens-and-crashed-saucers-exist&p=1569456&viewfull=1#post1569456)

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We Need a Select Committee To Investigate UAPs!

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Congressman Matt Gaetz, Congressman Tim Burchett, Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna, and Congressman Jared Moskowitz sent a bipartisan letter to House Speaker McCarthy demanding the establishment of a select committee to investigate Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs).

(Newsmax, Rob Schmitt Tonight, 07/28/23)
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Pentagon UFO Office Director Slams David Grusch’s Testimony:

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Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick in a public statement sates that AARO, the Pentagon's UAP UFO program is insulted by the testimony from the July 26th UFO Hearing. This is breaking UFO News.
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Matt Laslo on Talking to Congress about, and Reporting on, UAP/UFOs

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What does the US Know About UFOs and Aliens? | Vantage with Palki Sharma

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Yes, Aliens Exist But The Fake "Alien Invasion" Scam Is Building: David Icke

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Experts break down UFO Hearing testimony | NewsNation Now:

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Experts break down the significance of testimony given to a congressional hearing on UFOs and UAPs on Wednesday, as well as discussing what comes next.

Panelists include Dr. Steven Greer of The Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, Harvard professor and astrophysicist Avi Loeb, retired U.S. Navy Chief and filmmaker Sean Cahill.

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Inter-Dimensional BEINGS? UFO Hearing Sparks HOLOGRAPHIC THEORY Debate: Dr Avi Loeb Explains:

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Professor of science Dr. Avi Loeb reacts to the holographic theory discussed in the House hearing on unidentified anomalous objects, or UAPs.'


NOTICE HOW HE IGNORES SO MANY THINGS ... UFO "appearing out of nowhere: and disappearing" ... Remote Viewing Research ... etc. etc.
Making a false assumption that people who discuss New Physics do "not know" old physics.
Notice it is not really a balanced back and forth rebuttal ... no real debate ... just him having a monolog of assumptions.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[ExomatrixTV]

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UFO Journalist Leslie Kean BREAKS DOWN What You HAVEN'T Heard From Crazy UAP Hearing: Rising

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Investigative journalist who cover UFO-related matters Leslie Kean weighs in on the historic congressional hearing on unidentified anomalous phenomena, or UAP, that took place this week.

[shaberon]

I'm convinced there's life even in our own solar-system, although microbial in nature.


Are you of the view that it is all "organic", i. e. based on carbon and oxygen?

Versus if you inhabit an environment composed mainly of other things, there once was a "silicon-based" theory.




There's a persuasive argument that suggests a contingent of Atlanteans persisted beyond the destruction and went underground.

Avalon again.

But even when combining Poseidonis with the end of the Ice Age, there must have been numerous pockets of survivors, on all continents.





...you may be overestimating these black hats. I don't underestimate them; we have only to look at history to see what damage has been done. For sure, some dark, meddling contingent or faction has been lurking behind the scenes for a very long time. Possibly as a lineage, or a series of secret societies, and reaching as far back as the Roman Empire, or possibly to Babylon. They may well worship some form of advanced, esoteric "outer force" -- call it demonic in nature, maybe that's true -- but this should not be conflated with extra-terrestrial visitation. And some of them quite benevolent.

I don't think there's any evidence for the elites possessing advanced technical or scientific knowledge prior to the 20th century.



Mostly so. If one turns to the time of the Babylonian Captivity, it is the source for both the spiritual path or Kabala, and, what I would call extreme Manicheaism, although that would be anachronistic. The intended meaning is that yes, of course, all of the ancient traditions express a material pole which is "in opposition" to heaven, which is just a description of Nature or Pan, so superficial it is almost redundant. The distortion is to greatly magnify the lower pole and spawn the belief that it is a Cosmic Father of Evil.

Then, when this is configured as the enemy of Yahweh or the Demiurge being, at most, a materialistic creator, you wind up with a somewhat nonsensical dispute, which erases the significance of Elohim or Archangels, or whatever may have represented the non-material aspect of deity, which we would call the important subject and practice.

At greater length, this could also be described as "the two Saturns", i. e. the Saturn of Virgil's Golden Age, and the dark baleful Saturn as a planetary equivalent of the overly-materialized Demiurge.

It would be correct that the Vatican stole/collected every competing book they could find, suppressing it, while it is also true that they are incapable of using it. So, historically, no, they have no special knowledge.

Yes, eventually, around the 20th century, with, let's say, patents being the repository of knowledge rather than the Vatican Library, then you do have ways for inventions to be effectively banned, or, someone keeping something useful for themselves.



Contrary to the picture there, the anti-spiritual force as known in the East is:


Mara, (adj.) (fr. mṛ) dying; only neg. amara not dying


which has four kinds, that I suppose are not entirely unlike what Jesus endured. They are not terribly complicated:


Afflictions (such as sloth or hyperactivity)

Subtle mental afflictions

Death (as a natural law and how it works)

and the Son of the Gods, who is:


...primarily your own great attachment and great craving. Therefore, it is given the name of child of the gods, because when this mara is depicted iconographically — because it is craving or wanting something so much —it is not depicted as something ugly and threatening, but as something attractive, because that is the feeling-tone of attachment. It is liking things so much that it interferes with your dharma practice and your attainment of awakening.


Moreover, that does not say material elements are inherently evil--human consciousness makes that choice. What we translate as "demons" just means "elements", which could be subterranean, such as inside the planet, or, inside one's body.


For whatever reason, in English, "Demon" is demonized; here is a Greek (https://www.quora.com/When-did-the-word-demon-for-evil-spirit-come-into-popular-usage-in-the-English-language) response:


This is a classic example of a very positive Ancient Koine Greek word turning into a repulsive Christian one.

let’s look at the etymological history

“Demon” or “Daemon” comes from Ancient Greek «δαίμων» which literally meant “a divine entity” even “a god”. The Ancient Greek and Romans were polytheistic and had the concept that the “divine” was “distributed” into different parts (human and spiritual). The Ancient Greek verb “to divide” is «δαίω». This particular verb has multiple meanings including “to destroy” , “to burn”, “to share”. It probably comes from Zeus/Dias Δίας the Supreme God of the Pantheon.

The Romans followed suit and that’s how we get “divine” coming from Latin “divisus”= separated (e.g. division) . Again, the “Divine” is spread in the world

BUT, this can’t work for Monotheistic Christianity. The Divine isn’t “divided” and certainly not “shared”. In this context, Demons came to signify the occult and repulsive “evil spirit” in the Late Middle Ages.

interestingly, even in Modern Greek, the word “demon” can be used as “devil” but also, as its original favorable meaning, in «δαιμόνιος»/daimonios which means “very intelligent” or “resourceful” and in «ευδαιμονία» eudaimonia which means “pursuit of happiness”-the favor of the Gods.




Returning to thoughts of some kind of physical evidence for something, I do not think the Tether Incident has been explained satisfactorily. It has the advantage of being a long, stable look at something, which we were told is dust. It is not a secret find, rumour, and cover-up, unlike the debates about everything else from Roswell to today. I don't know what it is, other than visually it certainly seems to be intelligently-guided propulsion in outer space.

[shaberon]

Advanced technology -- the Vimana in India?



I had to take a closer look at this, because something felt off after I compared it to alchemy.

The first thing that threw it off is because the "airplane" references come from a spontaneous remark by D. Sarasvati on a verse from Rg Veda which certainly does not support this meaning.

Read: Arya Samaj.

Let's say that the idea of "flying vehicle" is present, but, it is a minor meaning, without any lists of components such as wings, rotors, or anything of the sort.

The picture you posted looks like a flying temple, because the main meaning of Vimana is "a temple", which is a furtherance from the root "mana":


1) Measuring.

2) A measure, standard

3) Dimension, computation.


A "vimana" is made of measurements, is "dimensions", is "measured" as a model of the cosmos, as if it were the very heart of Masonry.

The one posted is "Puspak Vimana" or "flower temple", with perhaps the implication of "yellow", which can be extended to brass, sunlight, etc., and since this is perfectly well-known, then it may be a little surprising to see it drawn this way:


https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3e512d4c5f7b34f344b60c93dec71371.webp




The simplest way I can explain it, is that Vimana is an all-inclusive metaphysical term scaling from the cosmos, to a building, to the microcosm or individual, the main purpose being less a transportation device, because it is the Mansion in Heaven that you build by meritorious acts.

The possibility of it conveying you to and from the physical sky pales in significance to traffic to and from heaven, that is, another plane altogether.

That matches what I am trying to say about "aliens" as immaterial magic travelers, while it leaves the minor possibility that they could be physical conveyances, there is no definite statement about that, nor the denial of the possibility.

The Arya Samaj doctrine was soon amplified by someone channeling Rishi Baradhwaj, and from that point you do get mass numbers of Indians propagating this view at the expense of the traditional one. From around 1900 until now. On the other hand, a smaller minority looked at the legends and decided that the historical object was probably a hot air balloon. It was towed by horses.


It is tricky because these tales are almost pure metaphor and allegory. Vimana however lacks "component codes" as in alchemy and astrology. It is architectural or Masonic in a way that they have to know precisely, otherwise there would not be buildings at a 1,000+ years of age that are fully intact, and certainly defy notions of how they might have been built with "primitive technology".

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4K UFO Satellite Images Withheld From Congress:

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[Pris]

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Advanced technology -- the Vimana in India?



I had to take a closer look at this, because something felt off after I compared it to alchemy.

The first thing that threw it off is because the "airplane" references come from a spontaneous remark by D. Sarasvati on a verse from Rg Veda which certainly does not support this meaning.

Read: Arya Samaj.

Let's say that the idea of "flying vehicle" is present, but, it is a minor meaning, without any lists of components such as wings, rotors, or anything of the sort.

The picture you posted looks like a flying temple, because the main meaning of Vimana is "a temple", which is a furtherance from the root "mana":


1) Measuring.

2) A measure, standard

3) Dimension, computation.


A "vimana" is made of measurements, is "dimensions", is "measured" as a model of the cosmos, as if it were the very heart of Masonry.

The one posted is "Puspak Vimana" or "flower temple", with perhaps the implication of "yellow", which can be extended to brass, sunlight, etc., and since this is perfectly well-known, then it may be a little surprising to see it drawn this way:


https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3e512d4c5f7b34f344b60c93dec71371.webp




The simplest way I can explain it, is that Vimana is an all-inclusive metaphysical term scaling from the cosmos, to a building, to the microcosm or individual, the main purpose being less a transportation device, because it is the Mansion in Heaven that you build by meritorious acts.

The possibility of it conveying you to and from the physical sky pales in significance to traffic to and from heaven, that is, another plane altogether.

That matches what I am trying to say about "aliens" as immaterial magic travelers, while it leaves the minor possibility that they could be physical conveyances, there is no definite statement about that, nor the denial of the possibility.

The Arya Samaj doctrine was soon amplified by someone channeling Rishi Baradhwaj, and from that point you do get mass numbers of Indians propagating this view at the expense of the traditional one. From around 1900 until now. On the other hand, a smaller minority looked at the legends and decided that the historical object was probably a hot air balloon. It was towed by horses.


It is tricky because these tales are almost pure metaphor and allegory. Vimana however lacks "component codes" as in alchemy and astrology. It is architectural or Masonic in a way that they have to know precisely, otherwise there would not be buildings at a 1,000+ years of age that are fully intact, and certainly defy notions of how they might have been built with "primitive technology".


I found this video that gives a better overview of the Vimana. It seems there may have been both purely physical Vimana and a kind of physical/interdimensional Vimana, the latter requiring the pilots to be, if I'm getting this right, spiritually in tune with the machinery as part of the key to flying them.


Hijacked Ancient Indian Aeronautics | Science of Ancient India | PDF visuals | English subtitles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2zJBYHaS7A

OVERVIEW

"On 17th Dec 1903, an aircraft trust into the skies and became (so called) the first aircraft I the human history. Wright Brothers became its inventors. We all greatly adore them today and we reach this fact to our children in schools. But to our surprise the truth seems to be different.
Eight years before Wright brother's aerial show in India in 1895, at the chowpatty beach in Bombay, an aircraft flew in the skies up to 1,500 ft, when a large Indian audience watched this feat. And this performance happened in the august presence of his highness Maharaja of Baroda,shri sayaji Rao Gaikwad and honorable judge Mahadev Govind Ranade. This event was
covered and published by the then popular newspaper “Kesari” which was published from Pune.
The inventor of that aircraft was an ordinary Sanskrit scholar, named “Shivkar Bapuji Thalapade.”
The name of this aircraft was “Maruthi Shakti”. This aircraft had been built based on the technology mentioned in Sanskrit Text written by “Bhardwaj'' called “yantra sarvasvam”. Talapade adopted the technology from the chapters of “Vaimanika sastra” of Bharadwaja’s book.
Then british government, after strictly warning the Baroda Maharaj not fund the project, stalled this experiment. In seems that experimental remnants of the plane and various working plans had been taken over by the british government. (Source: Deccan herald, Tuesday Dec 16,2003)
Did our ancestors have much advanced knowledge about aircrafts? If so, what happened to all
that? Why has such an advanced knowledge been kept as a secret? What is the vaimanika shastra of Bharadwaj? What are the contents? Whether modern scientists did any research on this contents? If so, what are their findings in this regard?"

[Pris]

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I found this video that gives a better overview of the Vimana. It seems there may have been both purely physical Vimana and a kind of physical/interdimensional Vimana, the latter requiring the pilots to be, if I'm getting this right, spiritually in tune with the machinery as part of the key to flying them.


Hijacked Ancient Indian Aeronautics | Science of Ancient India | PDF visuals | English subtitles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2zJBYHaS7A




On a side note here, for those who may be interested, at the 4:40 minute mark of the video above, there just happened to show a diagram of a modern triangle ship, perhaps the so-called TR-3B. According to the video, that would be a modern day version of a Vimana. I actually saw something like that once very near Powder Point Road, Canadian Forces Maritime Experimental and Test Ranges, Nanoose Bay, BC, and I wasn't alone (Note: this base may have been controlled by the US Navy at the time of our sighting almost 20 years ago).

On December 17, 2005, my significant other and I were driving home on a quiet country road (Fairwinds Drive, east of Powder Point Road, heading back to Parksville) from an office Christmas party. (Note: we didn't drink any alcohol that night as we'd stopped drinking alcohol years before.) At 9:45 pm, we saw what appeared to be a slow-moving black triangular aircraft no bigger than a small jet (about the size of a Learjet) floating just above the treeline next to us (at the closest point, maybe 75 feet away), traveling across the sky from west to east. At first it looked like a string of green Christmas lights in the distance on a house up on a hill (the night sky was almost pitch black, couldn't see the sky, probably high cloud cover, turns out there was no hill lol). I figured it out first that it was actually slowly moving towards us in the sky just above the trees. It didn't look like anything recognizable so I got very excited. There was road construction on our side of the road and the shoulder had been removed so I brought the car literally to a halt in the middle of the road. There was no one else on the road except for us. I stayed in the car and kept it running just in case I had to move it should a vehicle come up from behind. My partner got out to get a better look at the UFO. He heard no sound coming from the aircraft. We both saw three white lights, one underneath each corner, and a blinking red light just back of the front light. There was also a yellowish light in the middle underneath. The side we saw had vertical vents running along its length that appeared to glow green from the inside. From the moment we first saw it, we watched this aircraft for maybe five minutes as it passed by us floating at a constant speed (maybe 15 km/h) and eventually passed out of visual range down the road we'd just come up.

My partner was inspired to build a model replica of this aircraft with working lights. There's some artistic license with the surface details because we only saw the outline shape mostly from the side and the lights. Here's a picture of the model:

Click to enlarge:
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Here's the location where I stopped the car, 18 years ago. Notice that there's still a line on the road where they'd removed the edge of the road. It appears they were in the process of adding a sidewalk.

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https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2747692,-124.1403615,3a,90y,319.55h,78.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNmEZMIlxpJCSBNaMu9QA6A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu


This is the direction the aircraft came from, towards us on our left, parallel to the road.

51440

https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2747692,-124.1403615,3a,90y,222.05h,114.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNmEZMIlxpJCSBNaMu9QA6A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu


And, this is a shot of the direction the aircraft took looking back behind us as it traveled eastward over the treeline from the right hand side. The whole time, it was moving in a straight line across the sky and eventually crossed over to the left where the road curves in the distance. The object then fell out of visual range. (Note: 18 years ago, all those evergreen trees were maybe half the height shown in these recent images so we had a perfect view of the aircraft the entire time. Also, we don't remember the newer homes down the road as they probably weren't even built yet.)

51441

https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2747692,-124.1403615,3a,90y,124.56h,113.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNmEZMIlxpJCSBNaMu9QA6A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

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UFO/UAP Update The July 26, 2023 Congressional Hearings:

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An exploration of the recent Congressional hearings on UFOs/UAP and what that might mean, and where we go next.


dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/FileId/170026 (https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/FileId/170026)

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Former U.S. Intelligence Chief Suggests Aliens Are Here:

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I discuss John Ratcliffe's various statements on UFO UAP. Plenty of UFO News in this one.

[shaberon]

Eight years before Wright brother's aerial show in India in 1895, at the chowpatty beach in Bombay, an aircraft flew in the skies up to 1,500 ft, when a large Indian audience watched this feat. And this performance happened in the august presence of his highness Maharaja of Baroda,shri sayaji Rao Gaikwad and honorable judge Mahadev Govind Ranade. This event was
covered and published by the then popular newspaper “Kesari” which was published from Pune.


After being forgotten for a century, this is what has been posted on Youtube by Hindu nationalists. To be skeptical (https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-Shivkar-Bapuji-Talpade-get-credit-for-constructing-and-flying-the-worlds-first-unmanned-airplane-in-1895):


For a feat so spectacular, the newspaper coverage or other contemporary accounts are almost none. Kesari, a marathi daily carried a report, but it was small and without any image or design. The Maharaja of Baroda, Sayajirao Gaekwad and Justice Ranade are said to witness the feat, but the mention doesn't go further than that.

Photography was quite developed by the time, and especially since the Maharaja was present, they should've taken a photo or something. Not just the incident, but there is no photograph, drawing or design details of the craft even after it. It reportedly was kept at his home even after his death.

If it had really flown, it would have been a big deal indeed, especially in a place like Mumbai it would not be an obscure news. The British technicians would promptly have taken advantage of it, and use it to their benefit.


Note that the Maharaja (https://msubaroda.ac.in/academics/OI) in question is a founder of a university and publisher of Indian texts still used today.

They have nothing to say about it.

My first reaction is that Marut Shakti is "inner wind", i. e. life force of the individual.

This has only the sparse rumour as evidence, nothing "scientific", that is, repeatable.

Kesari (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kesari_(newspaper)) is like a mouthpiece of the Sepoy Mutiny and Arya Samaj.

Still publishing (http://www.dailykesari.com/epaper/) if you want to make an account.


The first editor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopal_Ganesh_Agarkar) quit:

Ideological differences with Tilak caused him later to leave.

Agarkar abhorred blind adherence to and glorification of tradition and the past.


Then Maharaja Gaekwad sold the building.


The paper's owner was a radical (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bal_Gangadhar_Tilak):


Tilak was considered a radical Nationalist but a Social conservative. He was imprisoned on a number of occasions that included a long stint at Mandalay. At one stage in his political life he was called "the father of Indian unrest" by British author Sir Valentine Chirol.

Tilak helped found the All India Home Rule League in 1916–18, with G. S. Khaparde and Annie Besant.

Tilak was impressed by the Russian Revolution, and expressed his admiration for Vladimir Lenin.

In Tilak's opinion, the Bhagavad Gita provided a strong justification of activism. However, this conflicted with the mainstream exegesis of the text at the time which was dominated by renunciate views and the idea of acts purely for God. This was represented by the two mainstream views at the time by Ramanuja and Adi Shankara. To find support for this philosophy, Tilak wrote his own interpretations of the relevant passages of the Gita and backed his views using Jnanadeva's commentary on the Gita, Ramanuja's critical commentary and his own translation of the Gita. His main battle was against the renunciate views of the time which conflicted with worldly activism. To fight this, he went to great lengths to reinterpret words such as karma, dharma and yoga, as well as the concept of renunciation itself. Because he founded his rationalization on Hindu religious symbols and lines, he alienated many non-Hindus such as the Muslims who began to ally with the British for support.

Tilak was strongly opposed to liberal trends emerging in Pune such as women's rights and social reforms against untouchability. Tilak vehemently opposed the establishment of the first Native girls High school (now called Huzurpaga) in Pune in 1885 and its curriculum using his newspapers, the Mahratta and Kesari.

Tilak and Swami Vivekananda had great mutual respect and esteem for each other. They met accidentally while travelling by train in 1892 and Tilak had Vivekananda as a guest in his house. A person who was present there(Basukaka), heard that it was agreed between Vivekananda and Tilak that Tilak would work towards nationalism in the "political" arena, while Vivekananda would work for nationalism in the "religious" arena.



It is like most revolutions, i. e. such as in France, Jacobin Radicals were *not* on the same page with moderates.

Nationalist + Conservative describes Hitler fairly well doesn't it?



Mahatma Letter 113 goes through the consequences of Cornwallis's agreement and other prior events, and already disagrees with the 1857 Sepoys:


Things too horrible to mention were done under the eyes and often with the sanction of the Company's servants, when the Mutiny put a certain impediment by bringing as its result another form of Government.


That means that control of India transferred from EIC to the British Crown. So we can see that original Theosophy opposed the likes of Ms. Besant long before she was born. That is why this meagre "airplane story" is not such a good thing.

American politicians are perhaps today's Zamindars and the "crafts" not much different than this supposedly-hidden "flying machine".



This goes back to the relative independence of Nepal and the end of the Sikh's independence:


Brian Hodgson's son was a tutor of the son-in-law of Jang Bahadur Kunwar, the Prime Minister (of Nepal). After the 1846 Kot Massacre, Kunwar was able to install King Surendra, who was basically a puppet, even a prisoner. In 1850, Kunwar made a then-unheard of move, which was to travel to Britain, France, and Egypt. He did not succeed in getting the British government to deal directly with him while he was there, but he was able to establish goodwill. Nepal's future would generally be cooperation with, but independence from, the British.

In 1857 from Darjeeling, Hodgson influenced Lord Canning to accept Kunwar's help in suppressing the Sepoy Mutiny. In 1858, King Surendra gave Kunwar the name Rana, a Rajput title of martial glory (Jang Bahadur Rana).



As to the Maharaja of Benares:

Ishwari Prasad Narayan Singh, who, at age 13, did not revolt in the Sepoy Mutiny, and was promoted to the rank of Maharaja Bahadur; his son married the daughter of the first Prime Minister of Nepal, Jang Bahadur.


The friendship between the two countries reached its pinnacle during the reign of Jang Bahadur Rana. During the Sepoy Mutiny of 1857, Nepal also involved itself in support of the East India Company.



It sounds sketchy until you become familiar with the "on the ground" situation, which would be much more than briefly indicated here.

[Pris]

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Eight years before Wright brother's aerial show in India in 1895, at the chowpatty beach in Bombay, an aircraft flew in the skies up to 1,500 ft, when a large Indian audience watched this feat. And this performance happened in the august presence of his highness Maharaja of Baroda,shri sayaji Rao Gaikwad and honorable judge Mahadev Govind Ranade. This event was
covered and published by the then popular newspaper “Kesari” which was published from Pune.


After being forgotten for a century, this is what has been posted on Youtube by Hindu nationalists. To be skeptical (https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-Shivkar-Bapuji-Talpade-get-credit-for-constructing-and-flying-the-worlds-first-unmanned-airplane-in-1895):


For a feat so spectacular, the newspaper coverage or other contemporary accounts are almost none. Kesari, a marathi daily carried a report, but it was small and without any image or design. The Maharaja of Baroda, Sayajirao Gaekwad and Justice Ranade are said to witness the feat, but the mention doesn't go further than that.

Photography was quite developed by the time, and especially since the Maharaja was present, they should've taken a photo or something. Not just the incident, but there is no photograph, drawing or design details of the craft even after it. It reportedly was kept at his home even after his death.

If it had really flown, it would have been a big deal indeed, especially in a place like Mumbai it would not be an obscure news. The British technicians would promptly have taken advantage of it, and use it to their benefit.


Note that the Maharaja (https://msubaroda.ac.in/academics/OI) in question is a founder of a university and publisher of Indian texts still used today.

They have nothing to say about it.

My first reaction is that Marut Shakti is "inner wind", i. e. life force of the individual.

This has only the sparse rumour as evidence, nothing "scientific", that is, repeatable.

Kesari (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kesari_(newspaper)) is like a mouthpiece of the Sepoy Mutiny and Arya Samaj.

Still publishing (http://www.dailykesari.com/epaper/) if you want to make an account.


The first editor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopal_Ganesh_Agarkar) quit:

Ideological differences with Tilak caused him later to leave.

Agarkar abhorred blind adherence to and glorification of tradition and the past.


Then Maharaja Gaekwad sold the building.


The paper's owner was a radical (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bal_Gangadhar_Tilak):


Tilak was considered a radical Nationalist but a Social conservative. He was imprisoned on a number of occasions that included a long stint at Mandalay. At one stage in his political life he was called "the father of Indian unrest" by British author Sir Valentine Chirol.

Tilak helped found the All India Home Rule League in 1916–18, with G. S. Khaparde and Annie Besant.

Tilak was impressed by the Russian Revolution, and expressed his admiration for Vladimir Lenin.

In Tilak's opinion, the Bhagavad Gita provided a strong justification of activism. However, this conflicted with the mainstream exegesis of the text at the time which was dominated by renunciate views and the idea of acts purely for God. This was represented by the two mainstream views at the time by Ramanuja and Adi Shankara. To find support for this philosophy, Tilak wrote his own interpretations of the relevant passages of the Gita and backed his views using Jnanadeva's commentary on the Gita, Ramanuja's critical commentary and his own translation of the Gita. His main battle was against the renunciate views of the time which conflicted with worldly activism. To fight this, he went to great lengths to reinterpret words such as karma, dharma and yoga, as well as the concept of renunciation itself. Because he founded his rationalization on Hindu religious symbols and lines, he alienated many non-Hindus such as the Muslims who began to ally with the British for support.

Tilak was strongly opposed to liberal trends emerging in Pune such as women's rights and social reforms against untouchability. Tilak vehemently opposed the establishment of the first Native girls High school (now called Huzurpaga) in Pune in 1885 and its curriculum using his newspapers, the Mahratta and Kesari.

Tilak and Swami Vivekananda had great mutual respect and esteem for each other. They met accidentally while travelling by train in 1892 and Tilak had Vivekananda as a guest in his house. A person who was present there(Basukaka), heard that it was agreed between Vivekananda and Tilak that Tilak would work towards nationalism in the "political" arena, while Vivekananda would work for nationalism in the "religious" arena.



It is like most revolutions, i. e. such as in France, Jacobin Radicals were *not* on the same page with moderates.

Nationalist + Conservative describes Hitler fairly well doesn't it?



Mahatma Letter 113 goes through the consequences of Cornwallis's agreement and other prior events, and already disagrees with the 1857 Sepoys:


Things too horrible to mention were done under the eyes and often with the sanction of the Company's servants, when the Mutiny put a certain impediment by bringing as its result another form of Government.


That means that control of India transferred from EIC to the British Crown. So we can see that original Theosophy opposed the likes of Ms. Besant long before she was born. That is why this meagre "airplane story" is not such a good thing.

American politicians are perhaps today's Zamindars and the "crafts" not much different than this supposedly-hidden "flying machine".



This goes back to the relative independence of Nepal and the end of the Sikh's independence:


Brian Hodgson's son was a tutor of the son-in-law of Jang Bahadur Kunwar, the Prime Minister (of Nepal). After the 1846 Kot Massacre, Kunwar was able to install King Surendra, who was basically a puppet, even a prisoner. In 1850, Kunwar made a then-unheard of move, which was to travel to Britain, France, and Egypt. He did not succeed in getting the British government to deal directly with him while he was there, but he was able to establish goodwill. Nepal's future would generally be cooperation with, but independence from, the British.

In 1857 from Darjeeling, Hodgson influenced Lord Canning to accept Kunwar's help in suppressing the Sepoy Mutiny. In 1858, King Surendra gave Kunwar the name Rana, a Rajput title of martial glory (Jang Bahadur Rana).



As to the Maharaja of Benares:

Ishwari Prasad Narayan Singh, who, at age 13, did not revolt in the Sepoy Mutiny, and was promoted to the rank of Maharaja Bahadur; his son married the daughter of the first Prime Minister of Nepal, Jang Bahadur.


The friendship between the two countries reached its pinnacle during the reign of Jang Bahadur Rana. During the Sepoy Mutiny of 1857, Nepal also involved itself in support of the East India Company.



It sounds sketchy until you become familiar with the "on the ground" situation, which would be much more than briefly indicated here.


(You've lost me with all this... Especially with Hitler supposedly being a conservative nationalist.)

Even if the claim of the "first" so-called aerial flight (before the Wright brothers) can't be substantiated, it can't be discounted. Who knows what the real story is. The rest of the information on the video is also intriguing and includes the diagram of a "modern day" triangle UFO (possibly black ops military craft). My partner and I happened to see something almost identical to that in all its glory almost 20 years ago near a government research base. It is what it is.

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Are Congressional Hearings Getting US Any Closer to UFO Secrets??

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Brad Vorhees who attended the Hearings in person will be joining me for a sober and rational discussion on what so far has been a very limited probing of the Pentagon's Inventory and the extent of their technical intelligence with regards to UAPs or what used to be called UFOs.

On the Discussion Agenda:


Future suggested witnesses that should be called?
Government Contractors which should be probed more deeply in the UFO investigation.
How do other whistleblowers step forward?
Does the Government have disinformation agents in the mix?
Who could they be?
How sophisticated is the cover-up?

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Anomalous Introductions: From UFO Disclosure to the Dawning of the New World:

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Throughout much of the 20th century there existed a narrative that ran in parallel, but also somewhat in shadow and away from plain sight, to the march of history that we all learned about in school. This parallel narrative spoke of remarkable technological craft, seemingly centuries ahead of our own cutting-edge marvels, and included whispers of encounters with the pilots of said craft, who often both looked somewhat like us: humanoid, bipedal, etc, but also distinctly different, that is to say: “alien”, with huge, wrap around eyes and skin the color and texture of mushrooms.

Within 20th century history, the period where we see these two parallel tracks most oversect, at least initially, was around the turn of what is commonly referred to as the atomic era. If you look at the history of the development and testing of atomic weapons, you will find these Others entering the fray, even if in ways that still didn’t make mention in mainstream news publications. Desert landscapes, mushroom clouds, and flying saucers; these all go hand in hand, when you consider these two parallel track of history.

Towards the latter half of the 20th century, another key intersection occurred; one that saw these others (or perhaps, another group of “others” altogether), entering the fray to embark upon some kind of vast, but secretive genetic program; a program that saw human beings taken aboard apparent craft, and having their reproductive material taken, apparently in the service of the creation of hybrid beings: that is to say, a new creation of humanoid creature that was very much a cross between us, and them.

These key historical developments have long been rumored about in the so-called backrooms of ufology. That said, they have historically been remarkably difficult to surface, for those who have endeavored to see these two parallel tracks considered as undeniably and inextricably connected to each other - which is to say, you cannot reconstruct the true history of the 20th century without seeing these two parallel tracks merged into one. This difficulty is largely attributable to the remarkable success of an official suppression and disinformation program that was operated by the government of the American people, against the American people, as well as others around the world, throughout much of the 20th century, and stretching on into the 21st.

In light of events of the last several weeks and months, however, it’s now clear that this fight for legitimacy amongst the mainstream has taken a sharp turn. So much so, in fact, that those who’ve been investigating these matters for decades and decades have been left with their mouths agape; as they’ve seen these matters, seemingly overnight, being given true governmental attention, and on a bipartisan basis to boot.

Much of this sudden movement in a long deadlocked pattern has to do, of course, with the revelations brought forward by a former intelligence analyst named David Grusch. His unique position within a generational bureaucracy baked in secrecy has allowed him to surface historical matters that, up until now, have existed only within that depths of that parallel, shadow track.

But does this recent development fully explain the apparent urgency we’re now seeing play-out in the halls of power? Those deeply steeped in legacy ufology have long suspected that some of the very politicians who are now taking action have known about these same matters for years, at least in broad strokes. So that still begs the question: Why is this now galloping along at such a breakneck pace? Why is this subject only now garnering what seems to be a truly national focus?

To be clear, the surprising pace of recent events – which has seen each of the main governmental bodies in the United States, in recent weeks, publicly take up the challenge of endeavoring to be transparent about this enigmatic part of our history – has left many wondering if something more than meets the eye might be in play here. After all, finally beginning to move towards transparency is one thing. But what we’re apparently seeing is arguably much more than that. To be clear, we’re now seeing legislation being crafted, by some of the most powerful politicians in the nation, around what is officially being deemed a “disclosure plan”. The question is: Why? And, just as, if not more importantly, why now? These are the very compelling and complex matters we’ll seek to engage with in this, the 87th episode, of the Point of Convergence podcast.

[ExomatrixTV]

Leaked Satellite UFO Images After NASA Director Promised UAP Report:

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Bill Nelson, the Director of NASA, recently made an announcement while in Argentina. He stated that a report on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena, which was prepared by a group of scientists from NASA, is scheduled to be released next month.


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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

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What is that thing? It's not any kind of airframe I've ever seen. Why doesn't the video provide any context? Channels like this infuriate me!

Re Nasa's report. I wouldn't hold your breath.

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[Michel Leclerc]

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For whatever reason, in English, "Demon" is demonized; here is a Greek (https://www.quora.com/When-did-the-word-demon-for-evil-spirit-come-into-popular-usage-in-the-English-language) response:


This is a classic example of a very positive Ancient Koine Greek word turning into a repulsive Christian one.

let’s look at the etymological history

“Demon” or “Daemon” comes from Ancient Greek «δαίμων» which literally meant “a divine entity” even “a god”. The Ancient Greek and Romans were polytheistic and had the concept that the “divine” was “distributed” into different parts (human and spiritual). The Ancient Greek verb “to divide” is «δαίω». This particular verb has multiple meanings including “to destroy” , “to burn”, “to share”. It probably comes from Zeus/Dias Δίας the Supreme God of the Pantheon.

The Romans followed suit and that’s how we get “divine” coming from Latin “divisus”= separated (e.g. division) . Again, the “Divine” is spread in the world

BUT, this can’t work for Monotheistic Christianity. The Divine isn’t “divided” and certainly not “shared”. In this context, Demons came to signify the occult and repulsive “evil spirit” in the Late Middle Ages.

interestingly, even in Modern Greek, the word “demon” can be used as “devil” but also, as its original favorable meaning, in «δαιμόνιος»/daimonios which means “very intelligent” or “resourceful” and in «ευδαιμονία» eudaimonia which means “pursuit of happiness”-the favor of the Gods.

(...)



Sorry Shaberon – wrong etymologies. The most glaring one: "divide” and "divine”. No relationship whatsoever.

Too tired now to explain the facts. They can be found on the Internet.

Personally I would never volunteer explanations of how my car engine works. It is out of my field of expertise.

[shaberon]

(You've lost me with all this... Especially with Hitler supposedly being a conservative nationalist.)


Hitler was huge on Family Values. That is why the Nazis were popular!

India is full of Jesuitical and Nazi-esque parties. The Vimana machine is exactly that, a propaganda piece.

No, I can't prove it did not happen, but we can say that is a surprising lack of evidence...one tiny little article from a biased source. Especially considering it "should have" been photographed, the British "should have" gone nuts since they controlled the Maharajah and no Indians had authority, and if he kept the parts and ran a university that is still going, where is it?

The rest of what I said is that there is a certain coalition of Sikhs, Tibetans, and Shankarite Hindus who have worked for a long time on the opposite side of the ultra-nationalists, so in the majority of cases, we can tell what is what.

Similarly, I would not think any kind of strange airplanes or spacecraft of today could reasonable equate to a "flying temple" in any of its interpretations. If you have seen one, and, it appeared to be close to a western governmental institution, my guess would be there is nothing particularly holy about it.

[shaberon]

The most glaring one: "divide” and "divine”. No relationship whatsoever.


I am guessing you are reacting to "divine" being Latin, related to all "div-" sorts of words, for which the commentator does admit:

It probably comes from Zeus/Dias Δίας the Supreme God of the Pantheon.


Is this not the case for "demon"?

Greek daimōn ‘deity, genius’


The difference being when it belongs to someone else, it must be evil and idolatrous.

[ExomatrixTV]

We Are Not Alone: Pentagon Unreachable On UFOs Sends 'shocking Signal,' Journalist Says:

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After lawmakers conducted a hearing into UFO sightings, investigative journalist Ross Coulthart, whose interview with whistleblower David Grusch was part of the impetus for the hearing, said the Pentagon’s UFO office not having a phone number or email address for people to reach them sends a “shocking signal.”


Read more: newsnationnow.com/space/ufo (https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/)

[Michel Leclerc]

Pending a more substantial answer (which, given the subject, may be of use) just the following interlinearly in blue:


The most glaring one: "divide” and "divine”. No relationship whatsoever.


I am guessing you are reacting to "divine" being Latin ["divide” is also Latin], related to all "div-" sorts of words, for which the commentator does admit:

It probably comes from Zeus/Dias Δίας the Supreme God of the Pantheon. [other words in Latin: “Iu-” in Jupiter and "Di-” in Diana, the root means "shining“, “brilliant” or ”starlit heaven”]


Is this not the case for "demon"? [already Homer uses “daimōn” in the sense of “deity, genius”, which reveals that the Greeks associated the word root with the one in Zeus/Dios; Socrates’ daimōn was Diotima (“Zeus’ honour”, or “Zeus-honouring” and/or the same but with “starlit heaven" or "the Shining one(s)” instead of “Zeus“);

there are [I]two roots “dai-” in Greek: one meaning “attributing”, the other “burning” and relating "daimōn” to one or the other is hazardous (but it has been done); parallels in Sanskrit exist but they do not bring certainty; what is important, is that the meaning “sharing out” derives from the meaning “attributing” which is primary: obviously when a deity attributes to more than one, it shares, but it does not mean “divide”;

my personal impression/suggestion is that the two Greek roots are basically one, because the “shining ones” do “burn” (as stars, or as the Sun) and it is the heat/light combination which was felt to be beneficent and hence the "heavenly beings” "shine and give” —

important is the Semitic parallel (sadly Indo-Europeanists recoil in front of such parallels because they just do not know the other "“sister language families” within Nostratic well, or at all): in Arabic the verb ḍā’a (َضَاء) still means “to shine, radiate” and the fact that it contains a hidden w sound clearly shows the kinship with Zeus (which was Zews) — and it reveals the identity of the two dai- roots in Greek, one of which initially had a w: there used to be an almost ubiquitous alternation of w (as in “win”) and y (as in "you") in those ancient languages: the most striking example being Semitic hawa (Eve!) alternating with haya (“life“) ;

so the "demon/daimōn" as attributor is the/any giving radiating deity; later on the various Greek gods had their own liturgy and the word “theos” (god) came to the fore; the daimōn then became more the (enthusing) spirit, as in Socrates’/Plato’s use of it: hence “eudaimōn”, which means “inspired/possessed by a good spirit” or "well-spirited” hence “happy” ("eu" meaning "well” as in "evangelical” ("well-messengered”).

It is indeed Christianity that "demonised" the daimōn.
(Incidentally, this is quite interesting – aren‘t we witnessing the same thing happening again with the Visitors?)]

Greek daimōn ‘deity, genius’


The difference being when it belongs to someone else, it must be evil and idolatrous.

[ExomatrixTV]

Vatican and UFOs? What is in the Archives?:

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Whistleblower David Grusch previously made the claim that the Vatican and pope were part of a massive UFO decadeslong cover-up. Live from the Vatican, NewsNation's executive producer Susanna Pinto joins "Banfield" to discuss the possible connection in a special report.
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[Pris]

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(You've lost me with all this... Especially with Hitler supposedly being a conservative nationalist.)


Hitler was huge on Family Values. That is why the Nazis were popular!

India is full of Jesuitical and Nazi-esque parties. The Vimana machine is exactly that, a propaganda piece.

No, I can't prove it did not happen, but we can say that is a surprising lack of evidence...one tiny little article from a biased source. Especially considering it "should have" been photographed, the British "should have" gone nuts since they controlled the Maharajah and no Indians had authority, and if he kept the parts and ran a university that is still going, where is it?

The rest of what I said is that there is a certain coalition of Sikhs, Tibetans, and Shankarite Hindus who have worked for a long time on the opposite side of the ultra-nationalists, so in the majority of cases, we can tell what is what.

Similarly, I would not think any kind of strange airplanes or spacecraft of today could reasonable equate to a "flying temple" in any of its interpretations. If you have seen one, and, it appeared to be close to a western governmental institution, my guess would be there is nothing particularly holy about it.


Hitler, huge on family values, was also behind the Beetle and the Volkswagen. That's nice. However, he was also huge on the removal of individual rights and disarmed the citizenry.

Personally, I don't care that there's lack of evidence in the video I shared for the first flight prior to the Wright Brothers because I don't think that matters with regard to the subject of Vimana. And, I don't buy your assertion that they are purely propaganda.

There's lack of evidence for a lot of things like, for example, extra-terrestrials. But, lots of people don't seem to care about that. That's something I do care about. With the kinds of technologies some human beings are withholding from the rest of us, who knows what kinds of chimeras may be running around out there let alone what kinds of psyops are being run on the population at large. So, I'm not jumping on the ET train.

As for the flying triangle craft I saw, I think you missed the point I was trying to make. What got my attention was the idea that the propulsion system (supposedly) uses a ring of mercury plasma, the same system as used in some Vimana.

When it comes to Vimana, the term "flying temple" could simply mean any manned aircraft carrying one or more people. The flying craft we saw could, therefore, be seen as a "flying temple" since it was, according the the video, a manned airship. It's the same technology so technically it's a mini version of a Vimana.

As for what one may (subjectively) consider to be "holy" or not, I don't see what that's got to do with any of this.

[ExomatrixTV]

New David Grusch Interview Just Dropped!:

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David Grusch just did a new interview that dropped about an hour ago. One of the most interesting things he touches on is the quality of the witnesses that he interviewed, and how they were sent to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community to be interviewed and for their testimony to be investigated. This is UFO News indeed.

[ExomatrixTV]

UFO Research: Lobbyist Pushes For More Transparency | Elizabeth Vargas Reports:

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Pressure is mounting for more transparency on the possibility of UFO sightings. Lobbyist Nick Gold is the founder of Declassify UAP and hopes to shed more light on the phenomena. Gold joins "Elizabeth Vargas Reports" to discuss his efforts.


My comment on above YT video:

quote: "So they CAN show us all how they shot down a big Chinese SPY Balloon in GREAT DETAIL, but they REFUSE to share high quality UFO footage due to "security reasons" ... GIVE ME A BREAK! ... More and more are FED UP with the LAME lies & deceptive BS excuses! ... Harrowing pathetic!"

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[ExomatrixTV]

UFOs and Aliens: What's the Truth? | WION Wideangle

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[shaberon]

[COLOR="white"]And, I don't buy your assertion that they are purely propaganda.


It's not my assertion. It is the historical circumstance.

It was not a "subject" until framed as such by an "Indian Nazi" propaganda artist.

The story--despite sounding important--vanished, more or less immediately, until re-vivified by You-tubers. That is not surprising, because Arya Samaj has become mainstream India.





There's lack of evidence for a lot of things like, for example, extra-terrestrials. But, lots of people don't seem to care about that. What got my attention was the idea that the propulsion system (supposedly) uses a ring of mercury plasma, the same system as used in some Vimana.

As for what one may (subjectively) consider to be "holy" or not, I don't see what that's got to do with any of this.


No, a lot of people don't care about evidence. Some do. One might say that the "Pistis" of the New Testament is like this.

The popular Pistis is faith in a much-repeated few lines about a dead man walking.

Pistis is actually a Demon. The kind that is intended to mean "convinced by experience".

How does a "supposed" mercury plasma explain something we have no evidence for, combined with something else that has no evidence?

One could grant the substance a fair amount of interest--for example, the shaft of mercury found in Teotihuacan, a fixed temple. I would be curious to hear about repeatable experiments that might lead to a plasma-based propulsion.

Ideas of "holiness" definitely make Arya Samaj fanatics, who made those videos. The opposite, or un-holiness, such as someone lying to us or deceiving us in some way, would also seem to be a factor in arriving at the truth.

Subjectivity/personal testimony is one acceptable way at establishing truth, although it is a lot harder to establish things this way, than by evidence. I would be prone to accepting that Skunkworks, etc., have designed vehicles that do not operate like normal aircraft, onto which a great deal of testimony has been added towards an explanation that they are something other than Skunkwork designs.


Remember the Star of New Zealand? The ones that published the Pearl Harbor incident before it happened. They have a 1921 article on the Rope Trick (https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19211112.2.91), a very old illusion ranging from a levitated rope to the dismemberment of the assistant.

There are numerous photos of a theatrical version, mixed with reports of hypnotically-suggestive versions. The NZ article is along the lines:


Lord Frederick Spencer Hamilton in 1921 described an alleged demonstration of the trick, told to him by Colonel Bernard. Bernard described taking photographs of the boy climbing the rope, disappearing and reappearing at a courtyard in Calcutta. However, the courtyard had been filled with dense smoke and when he had developed the photographs they revealed that "neither the juggler, nor the boy, nor the rope had moved at all." This caused Hamilton to suggest that the juggler had somehow drugged or hypnotized Bernard. Elliot criticized this second-hand account as nothing more than "hearsay evidence." He found the details and lack of witnesses suspicious, concluding that Bernard had hoaxed Hamilton.


Well, just a story that a camera had disproved something strange about the mind's ability to defy gravity. Numerous rewards have been offered for a legitimate performance, which has not come forward yet. Same kind of thing appears to be happening now. The whole art of photography causes a bit of an uproar. If modern sightings were filmed with, say, infra-red, and other methods such as spectroscopy or even sonar, it might obtain a battery of data superior to optical methods.

[shaberon]

Is Latin not practically a baby (https://ancientlanguage.com/how-old-is-latin/)?

The birth of Latin took place around 700 BC in a small settlement sloping up towards Palatine Hill. The speakers of this language were called Romans, after their legendary founder, Romulus.



In other words, the Latium region was settled by Trojan refugees ca. 1100 B. C. E., and then this dialectical shift, if that is the right way to put it, does not appear until after the founding of the city of Rome.





...when a deity attributes to more than one, it shares, but it does [I]not mean “divide”;

my personal impression/suggestion is that the two Greek roots are basically one, because the “shining ones” do “burn” (as stars, or as the Sun) and it is the heat/light combination which was felt to be beneficent and hence the "heavenly beings” "shine and give” —


Yes, although the solar beneficience can be deadly as well. The idea that it "drinks waters"--producing weather--seems to be widespread, although some ancient commentators took this to the extreme that it literally sucks up the water and that is what is "burning".

"Divine" is not really "to divide"...attributing/sharing is a similar meaning. It could perhaps be argued that one divided by one is one, and even if that process is repeated seven or fifty thousand times, the answer remains the same.




Semitic hawa (Eve!) alternating with haya (“life“) ;


Yes, I would say that explains Eve, and we can actually find out a lot of interesting things about "her" in mitochondrial DNA--such as she was probably not an individual.

Most Neanderthals have been found to be mixed with Sapiens, and Denisovans are mixed with some species that has not been discovered.





so the "demon/daimōn" as attributor is the/any giving radiating deity; later on the various Greek gods had their own liturgy and the word “theos” (god) came to the fore; the daimōn then became more the (enthusing) spirit, as in Socrates’/Plato’s use of it: hence “eudaimōn”, which means “inspired/possessed by a good spirit” or "well-spirited” hence “happy” ("eu" meaning "well” as in "evangelical” ("well-messengered”).



From a brief look at this, they seem to be classed differently. Planets are Theoi. Daimons appear to be particular qualities. The effect of interacting with a Daimon may be pleasant or violent.




It is indeed Christianity that "demonised" the daimōn.
(Incidentlly, this is quite interesting – aren‘t we witnessing the same thing happening again with the Visitors?)]


Certainly, flowing from that type of character who follows the belief that "other" beings are inherently forces of evil. This seems to have been taken from extreme Manichean dualism that "demonized" Ahriman and darkness, which is probably less the mis-understanding of language, but, the emotional projection of paranoia that warps the language.

For example, Lucifer was not only a 4th-century Latin bishop, there was a whole sect of "Roman Christian" Luciferians. Christianity was not a "thing" until it was hammered into one. The Gospels were probably spread by illiterate Jews, and Acts is probably an invention. I would suggest the one who "told the truth as it is" was Paul, who was, in fact, arguing *against* the lot of them. Therefore, some books like Epistle to the Hebrews are false attributions, and the genuine Epistles of Paul were also interpolated by later copyists.

I found a magnified picture from Codex Sinaiticus where you can tell that "chrestos" has literally been scratched out so it looks like "christos".

It would not be a surprise that the Vatican continues to participate in cover-ups.

The main difference in India is that despite the combined influence of the Mughals, Gudiyas, Arya Samaj, and so forth, it has never managed to fully extinguish authentic continuity of their philosophies and traditions. That does not mean that everything traditional is correct at face value--the Epics and Puranas are not scriptures. They are pretty similar to the way that Greek mythology shows different family relationships between its Theoi and Daimones, and you can only parse it out to try to establish more and less useful versions.

Both India and Greece maintain that there are Astral Planetary Intelligences present on earth.

One thing I don't do is pry very hard into someone's inmost thoughts until I know them very well. I listen out for what they offer voluntarily. The last Greek I knew--a Spartan, who did not like Macedonians for reasons that may be obvious--offered me the following about the Greeks:

"We're not normal people. We come from space".


I can't explain it any further, but, so far I have not found that in the creed of Orthodoxy.

[shaberon]

"So they CAN show us all how they shot down a big Chinese SPY Balloon in GREAT DETAIL, but they REFUSE to share high quality UFO footage due to "security reasons" ... GIVE ME A BREAK! ... More and more are FED UP with the LAME lies & deceptive BS excuses! ... Harrowing pathetic!"



Let's call that an "effective technique".

Expressions that are outrageously ridiculous and humorous yet basically correct.

Propaganda is an aspect of rhetoric; the rhetoric is an argument of facts and data. The propaganda is more of a "transfer of reputation". Use humor as a psychological shift towards your more accurate rhetoric, rather than fear as a shift towards a pile of non-facts or facts being attempted to keep secret.

Satire = Satyr Play.

Then the Mystery becomes an Apocalypse or revelation.

Shoot down a balloon and press NATO in the Pacific with no allies while admitting Taiwan is a part of China. Ugh!

[shaberon]

Just to go over the current state of energy and engines, here are some developing kinds.



Vimanas 2015 (http://ijrar.com/upload_issue/ijrar_issue_20542966.pdf) is so peer-reviewed that on page one we find:

During the Vedic period (10,000AD)


followed basically by spam from Indian texts, and a few random pictures and stray quotes of "stuff". Not recommended, as sheer intellectual dishonesty. Embarrassing.


At the cost of very high energy input, we find from UNESCO 2022 (https://www.unesco.org/en/articles/breakthrough-offers-proof-fusion-energy-works): over-unity fusion successfully achieved by the U. S.


which is a big reactor, not really for vehicles. Interestingly, even in terms of research papers:


In the developing world, it is Iraq (2/21) which showed the fastest growth in output on nuclear fusion among countries with at least 20 publications on this topic over 2012–2019. Kazakhstan almost doubled its own output, albeit from a low starting point (14/25).


The one that I personally see that may have the capability to power a house, car, airplane, or Battlestar Galactica-sized colonizer of Mars is at least still in development:


Department of Energy 2023 (https://arpa-e.energy.gov/technologies/exploratory-topics/low-energy-nuclear-reactions): eight Low Energy Nuclear Reaction projects

Military 2016 briefing (https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Science_and_Technology/16-F-1333_%20DOC_02_LENR_Briefing.pdf) on LENR research in about twenty countries.

Compared to the potential of a Mercury anti-gravity patent (https://patents.google.com/patent/CN102761296A/en):


2011-04-29
Application filed by 杨凌云, 杨鸿文
2011-04-29
Priority to CN201110121840XA
2012-10-31
Publication of CN102761296A
Status
Pending

or (https://patents.google.com/patent/CN110857151A/en):

Application CN201811035772.3A events
2018-08-26
Application filed by 陈志强
2018-08-26
Priority to CN201811035772.3A
2020-03-03
Publication of CN110857151A
Status
Pending


Hard to say that flies a Nazi Bell or TR-3B.



Again for an extreme energy input, there definitely is such a thing as Plasma thrust (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_propulsion_engine), which has incredibly high Impulse, but:


Due to their extremely low thrust, plasma engines are not suitable for launch-to-Earth-orbit. On average, these rockets provide about 2 pounds of thrust maximum. Plasma thrusters are highly efficient in open space, but do nothing to offset the orbit expense of chemical rockets.

In 2011, NASA partnered with Busek to launch the first hall effect thruster aboard the Tacsat-2 satellite. The thruster was the satellite's main propulsion system.



You can levitate anything, such as a frog, or your grandmother, if you build a big enough magnet. Scales by size (https://van.physics.illinois.edu/ask/listing/11062):



Very small animals (e.g. tiny frogs) can be levitated in dc fields thanks to their diamagnetism. The problems and the strength of the required fields become enormous for larger animals such as ourselves. Although I believe that people are not seriously hurt by the largest standard lab fields (say 15 Tesla) , those would not be nearly large enough to levitate anyone.


If you get a metal like mercury or lead, and heat it up enough, then you can "hold" it in your hand, it will "levitate" on a buffer of water vapour that evaporates from your skin... looks VERY cool and it's easy to screw up. Or you can levitate a drop of mercury (actually, up to about an 11mm diameter) over a strong magnetic field because the magnetohydrodynamic forces cause freaky turbulence (they think) inside the droplet. But to just heat it and have it levitate... no.

Triangular electrostatic craft (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060145019A1/en):


Application US11/017,093 events
2004-12-20
Application filed by St Clair John Q
2004-12-20
Priority to US11/017,093
2006-07-06
Publication of US20060145019A1
Status
Abandoned


Internal mass reduction (https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en):


Application US15/141,270 events
2016-04-28
Application filed by US Department of Navy
2016-04-28
Priority to US15/141,270
2016-04-28
Assigned to DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY
2017-11-02
Publication of US20170313446A1
2018-12-04
Application granted
2018-12-04
Publication of US10144532B2
Status
Expired - Fee Related
2036-09-28
Adjusted expiration


Its oldest citation?


Prigogine, Ilya, Time, Structure and Fluctuations, Nobel Lecture, Dec. 8, 1977, Brussels, Belgium and Austin, Texas.

Operating principle appears to be Quantum Vacuum. Does it really operate? Only an application has been granted, not the actual patent.



To review:

Plasma thrust has a long history of development, and has been put to actual use.

Plasma anti-gravity has a long history of speculation.

Hydrogen powered the first internal combustion engine, and is being rolled out by the Chinese to power trains and buses.

LENR has a reasonably long history of development, and is not yet at the point where it is practical to use.

Fusion works, but simply takes a very high energy to run it.



No, this says nothing as to what may be seen, or, photographed, flying around in the air.

It does show that it almost certainly is not using plasma anti-gravity, otherwise, that would be visible in some kind of R & D, such as the LENR is even being worked on in "developing" countries.


Here is an anecdote.

One time I was scheduled to travel through Boston's Logan Field airport.

It was shut down due to anomalies--unidentified objects over the Atlantic Ocean picked up by radar.

Well, shortly after gunning down the Chinese balloon, there was this radar anomaly (https://www.krtv.com/news/montana-and-regional-news/norad-says-radar-anomaly-triggered-airspace-closure-over-havre):


At around 3:20 p.m. on Saturday, February 11, 2023, the Federal Aviation Administration temporarily closed some airspace in Montana for "Department of Defense activities."

NORAD detected a radar anomaly and sent fighter aircraft to investigate. Those aircraft did not identify any object to correlate to the radar hits.

The false alarm and response comes on the same day that an "unidentified object" was shot down over western Canada. The object was shot down by a U.S. military F-22 fighter jet over the Yukon, according to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Montanans still have questions about the Chinese spy balloon that flew over our state last week.

Also on that page:

Former ABC News journalist pleads guilty to child porn

Man who transformed into a dog takes a walk for the first time


Anyway, next (https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/02/13/update-norad-general-insists-extraterrestrials-not-ruled-out-yet-after-object-shot-down-above-lake-huron/):



another unidentified object has been shot down by an F-16 fighter jet this afternoon, Sunday, February 12. This time the takedown occurred over Lake Huron in the Great Lakes.

an F-16 fired an AIM9x to successfully shoot down an airborne object flying at approximately 20,000 feet altitude in U.S. airspace over Lake Huron in the State of Michigan”.

“Based on its flight path and data we can reasonably connect this object to the radar signal picked up over Montana, which flew in proximity to sensitive DOD sites”.


As reported by Reuters, the head of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) explained that the military has yet to identify where the three recently shot-down objects originated from.

They were also yet to figure out what they were or how they managed to stay aloft without any visible means of propulsion he continued. “We’re calling them objects, not balloons, for a reason”, the General emphasised.

An unverified online report just claimed that F-15 fighter jets had been scrambled from their base in Portland and were flying in a northerly trajectory. Refuelling tankers were said to have also been deployed out of Fairchild AFB.


The relevant Congressmen are demanding answers for the American public.

Ok, so, this is an old book of bad photography, but it is worth taking a look at. Trevor Constable was looking at invisible objects and used infra-red and similar photography to obtain these horrid shots (the ones from Italy are much more interesting). He proposed a normally-invisible bio-form in Cosmic Pulse of Life (https://ia902304.us.archive.org/2/items/the-cosmic-pulse-of-life/The%20Cosmic%20Pulse%20of%20Life.pdf):


The “critters” proved to consist of calcium
and fluids, the mineral and the fluids both being in the functional or plasmatic
state.

The mineral in this plasmatic state was quite able to reflect radar echoes, in
accordance with the known properties of plasmas.


So, they make a radar signature. Note the reaction and deployment of the same AIM-9 missiles as just used the other day:

Bravo 6

Dr. James O. Woods shot this photograph of an invisible UFO near a phone
pole on the Mojave desert not far from Lucerne Valley, California just after
dawn on 13 September 1958. The area was heavily and repeatedly buzzed by
USAF jets carrying infrared “Sidewinder” rockets.

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Repeated interceptions were
attempted by USAF jets, including some low-level passes within 400 yards of
the author and Woods. All the jets carried Sidewinder infrared homing
rockets. Radar detects unseen UFOs, and they are pursued via radar.
Numerous pictures unsuited to reproduction were taken of this occasion on
13 September 1958.


What?

The book ends with numerous tales of "meteoric goo" from Renaissance England, to the then-modern Philadelphia police. The stuff is luminous, and rapidly dissolves to nothing.

Is that why NORAD doesn't know what they just took out?

He also mentions Alan Bean's blue halo (https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/moon-shots-space-photography-1950-1999/blue-halo-around-alan-bean-lunar-science-station-november-14-24-1969-146/148072), as sold at Chrstie's for 504 GBP.

H. Kroll (https://books.google.com/books?id=99k-Sih_TukC&lpg=PA1&ots=PEBAIBcQ5y&dq=tether%20incident%20ultraviolet%20camera&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=tether%20incident%20ultraviolet%20camera&f=false) refers to such a "blue field around a black hole" at NASA's "Tether Incident" which involved a 5,400V plasma, and, perhaps, bio-forms.


As they say for 1,600 Pounds:

“Everybody was trying to figure out what that aura was. Neither Al or I remember seeing the other guy putting the stuff out, but the film picked it up. The conclusion was the haloes around Alan Bean were water-vapour ice crystals coming out of the water boilers on our backpacks.”

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Second moonwalk. Happen a lot?

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Human behavior is so charming.

So we had this public hearing, which was little more than hints and allegations, and it gets millions of reactions.

Shortly before this, a balloon had been identified, and, despite accusations of "surveillance", it was allowed to drift all the way across the continent.

When perhaps determined to be an inadequate reaction, NORAD switched their radars to look for things they usually don't.

As soon as they start, three unidentified objects were found in rapid succession, and rapidly destroyed. If they somehow posed a danger to airliners, one would think that a notice like "hey, there is a thing five miles to your left and several thousand feet above you", might work for professional pilots to maintain a safe course. But, that was inadequate.

No remains were found.

This is not surprising, since in Washington State alone, at least forty aircraft have vanished without a trace.

For these recent shootdowns, Congressmen "demanded the truth for the American people".

So far, all I found were remarks from the fighter pilots that one of the objects was about the size of a car, and, another was an octagon with strings hanging from it.

This apparently has not been of interest to the community, or, an issue that could have been discussed in the hearing, or, perhaps anything more than a reason to set the radars back to normal so that it quits happening.

Three things in the course of just a few days and no cover-up and nothing more.

40,000 feet is not even justifiable to even try to claim it is some defunct satellite or rocket debris. The objects must have had some kind of propulsion. The "borderline" for space junk is roughly:

Debris left in orbits below 600 km normally fall back to Earth ...


Just to pencil in a few more things, here is a transcript (https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3296177/melissa-dalton-assistant-secretary-of-defense-for-homeland-defense-and-hemisphe/) of the "official interview" on this stuff. At first one may note the lack of technology to "share" tracking information between planes and stations.

Although it is said that any number of entities might fly some object for "benign" purposes, for whatever reason, the first balloon keeps being called a surveillance thing; of course, despite being recovered, nothing more has been said.

Multiple launches of pairs of fighters with refueling takers. Expensive!

They are not balloons, since the thing over the frozen Beaufort Sea left a debris field. Of what, nothing has been said.

Whatever fell in Lake Huron, sank, so this was almost certainly not a balloon either.

Again, radar was not "enhanced", you just adjust the filters to show slow-moving objects. The first $489,000 missile fired at the slow-moving object missed.

By way of imitation, in the pattern of 2023 Objects (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_high-altitude_object_events_in_2023), two more such Chinese balloons were tracked in other areas, but not attacked.

China and Romania also detected some objects...who knows what they did, other than Romania was "unsuccessful" at intercepting it, despite being a hotbed of radar and flying things, thanks to the attempts to spy on Ukraine and the Black Sea.

After February, it looks like everyone set their radars back to normal and quit chasing this stuff.

Mexico and South America do not seem to be too particularly troubled about "spy balloons".


That makes, who knows how many millions of dollars, to shoot down a "floating cylinder", and not say anything about the remains. None of the objects were described as going much faster than a balloon might drift, but, they are not balloons, at least according to the General.

The reporting cycle on this died about as soon as it began, even though it was "unprecedented".

The affected areas pretty much all represent objects being inbound from the sea or ocean.

So far, the Chinese are the only humans to admit they launched something, making it doubtful that they in turn reacted against their own balloons on Feb. 12 and 16.

The most damning statement about the cylinder:

Some pilots said that the object "interfered with their sensors" on their aircraft but other pilots did not report this.


In a statement made shortly after the object was downed, Alaska Governor Mike Dunleavy said it "raises serious national security concerns that should concern every American"...

The White House stated the leading explanation for the objects was "commercial or research entities and therefore totally benign".


The openly-confessed incompetence does not seem very different from decades of jealously-guarded secrets, although that does not help explain why one cannot get something off the ice with:

CH-47 Chinook, HC-130 and HH-60 Pave Hawk were used in the effort.

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Could the Government Keep Knowledge of Aliens a Secret?

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open.spotify.com/episode/7b0XeHJ5Zcjq7EmqCq1Idw?si=46513614bf5842ce&nd=1 (https://open.spotify.com/episode/7b0XeHJ5Zcjq7EmqCq1Idw?si=46513614bf5842ce&nd=1)

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'EGG-SHAPED, SUV-SIZED' UFO Recovered, Stored By US Military: Ross Coulthart Re Confidential Source:

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UFO Scandals TO COME, Witnesses FRIGHTENED FOR THEIR LIVES: Marik Von Rennenkampff

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Marik von Rennenkampff, an analyst with the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation, weighs on the unraveling unidentified flying objects (UFOs) saga.

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"They Are Coming!" – UFO Congressional Hearings Revealed THIS:

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You said it. You told us. Could the recent UFO testimony being entertained by Congress have anything to do with increased military spending? A $30B requested increase for Space Force might offer a clue. But does that mean what the whistleblowers are revealing is any less real, or just the way the information is being used?

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Dark Journalist X Election 2024 CIA UFO Threat Psyop:

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UFO Whistleblower Grusch: Intelligence Officials LEAKED My Medical Records to DISCREDIT Me:

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Briahna Joy Gray and Robby Soave discuss new claims from UFO whistleblower David Grusch.

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All Hell Is Breaking Loose! Congress – THURSDAY FULL SHOW 07/27/23

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Dark Journalist X Election 2024 CIA UFO Threat Psyop:

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Right on target. So many red flags -- it's a CIA operation. When is the CIA not involved in conning the public lol? So-called "alien disclosure", what a joke. And, we're supposed to trust the information coming from CIA operatives. They don't even hide the fact they're CIA!
Sure, they'd never lie to us. :flypig:

This whole thing has been so ridiculous. They certainly aren't using their "best" people or putting their best foot forward by normally remaining hidden, subversive...

Maybe we're being deliberately "awakened" to the biggest con of all: "Aliens". It's very possible that we are now being shown (thanks to COG, now called COOP -- military occupation in the US under CIC Trump) that the whole so-called "reverse engineered alien technology" angle has been a distraction and coverup for what's always been man-made advanced technologies including advanced biotech and mind-control research -- all weaponized against us. Funded by probably tens of trillions of dollars in wealth stolen from the people through a network of criminal organizations and corrupt governments worldwide, advanced technologies have been kept hidden from the general population for decades by the Deep State to protect their own interests -- their "breakaway society". All this very likely has deep roots going back centuries.

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Mark Milley tries to DESTROY David Grusch's testimony on UFO's:

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What's next for UAP disclosure now that David Grusch's testimony has been entered on the record? General Mark Milley just said yes there are UAPs but ...

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Mark Milley tries to DESTROY David Grusch's testimony on UFO's:

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What's next for UAP disclosure now that David Grusch's testimony has been entered on the record? General Mark Milley just said yes there are UAPs but ...


"Redacted" should be absolutely ashamed with themselves falling for this CIA soap opera and helping it along.

So, this newest (very badly orchestrated) CIA psyop, using what HAS BEEN a "tried and true alien con job" on the public for decades as a cover for the Deep State's secret hi tech toys... just brought in yet another one of their "finest", TV General Mark Milley, to rain on Grusch's alien parade. Wow, that's really believable. THEY'RE ALL IN ON IT, IT'S ALL CIA. We're supposed to believe a woke TV "lipstick" General (who tried to start a war with Iran to make Trump look bad) is trying to "run damage control" on CIA-controlled Grusch and his so-called "testimony" -- Grusch, whose mental capacity and honesty is now seriously in question thanks to the "Freedom of Information Act". Give me a freakin' break. Who's dirtier?!

CIA picks really good ones. :chuckle:

"In their telling, Milley – the US Army general who chairs the Joint Chiefs of Staff, emerged as the hero who saved the day, coordinating with the CIA, the NSA, top Democrats, and even his Chinese counterpart to ‘protect’ America from an unhinged president."

https://www.rt.com/usa/534833-milley-book-trump-coup/amp/

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"Redacted" should be absolutely ashamed with themselves falling for this CIA soap opera and helping it along.

So, this newest (very badly orchestrated) CIA psyop, using what HAS BEEN a "tried and true alien con job" on the public for decades as a cover for the Deep State's secret hi tech toys...


Seems to me there is a strong preference for churning rumour mills, and not much to say about what goes on without any cover-up, as posted at the top of this page. Were those incidents not "alien" enough to be of interest?

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What comes next after UFO hearing?:

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Several members of Congress who have been pushing for UAP transparency joined The Hill for a special event Thursday. The Hill's Mychael Schnell, who moderated the conversation, joined "NewsNation Now" to discuss the highlights.

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Request for some help navigating or researching/understanding an active situation of these forces at play here:

See post #3 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121460-Underwater-UFOs-Navy-Admiral-Tim-Gallaudet--Ret-&p=1573448&viewfull=1#post1573448) on this thread:

Underwater UFOs/Navy Admiral Tim Gallaudet (Ret) (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121460-Underwater-UFOs-Navy-Admiral-Tim-Gallaudet--Ret-)

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Rep. Matt Gaetz on the Eglin UFO Encounter:

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This remains one of my favorite moments of any UAP hearing thus far.

It's not just about the UAP story. It's more so because there likely is some military upper brass who weren't happy the story was told in an open setting; but it was.

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UFO Whistleblower David Grusch On Joe Rogan: ALIEN Remains Come in a ‘Variety’ of Shapes and Sizes:

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David Grusch is a former Air Force intelligence officer, representative of the National Reconnaissance Office to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, and co-lead for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena analysis at the National Geo-Spacial Intelligence Agency.


Full Show Here! (https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=3bc7039b99fb4d7a&nd=1&dlsi=bf0f346104be4325)

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UFO Disclosure FINALLY POSSIBLE; But Government Blocking Alleged UAP Access for UNCLEAR Reasons:

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Opinion contributor at The Hill Marik von Rennenkampff weighs in on reported attempts in congress to bar UFO transprency.

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House Lawmakers Blast Intelligence Community's 'Orchestrated Attempt' To Hide UAP Info:

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The Shocking Connection: UAP Disclosure Act, CIA Office of Global Access, and Democracy:

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Matt Ford from The Good Trouble Show on the latest news on the UAP Disclosure Act, otherwise known as The Schumer Amendment, The CIA Office of Global Access and the state of American Democracy.

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Garry Nolan, Ph.D. on The Material Science of UAP 2023 Lecture:

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