Emotions (chicken or eggs first)

[superior88]

today I was reading about some badass dictators when I was stopped at how they justify their way of ruling and prices people have to pay for that. something close to "goals justify the means". and I was thinking is their logic based on their emotions or its their emotions based on their logics?

for example (a person kills another) a claim like may not gives a deep feeling of sadness or pleasure because we have not rationalize it yet. it could depend on the reason(revenge/ robbery/ self defense...)

for bigger scale, lets say wars. The leaders do same they have their own logic or rational reason to justify killing thousands or hundred thousands of people. for them it could be a self defense or something the other country own to them and they are taking it back or it could be that they see them as devils who want to ruin the world..

what puzzling me is : their logic is based on their emotion, like if someone (who turned to be leader later) has trauma like bad parents "molested" then their logic will be created based on their deep emotions?, or their emotions created on their analyzing of the situation and how they logicize it

and another thing. emotions are based on chemicals in body (neurotransmitters: dopamine /serotonin /glutamate /norepinephrine...etc) which released when feeling is triggered but at same time you can use some methods or compounds to release it so again our emotions are controlled by such chemical things or those just chemical things are controlled by our emotions?

I am just trying to understand the connection between logic and emotions as i see them 2 sides of same coin. some people usually argue that they are totally different things and even opposite to each other like there is some conflict if we mix them.

PS : I consider emotions presence does exist even if the dark triad people or even dark empath ...etc but somehow twisted.

I would love to hear about your opinion and feedback

[JackMcThorn]

I am just trying to understand the connection between logic and emotions as i see them 2 sides of same coin. some people usually argue that they are totally different things and even opposite to each other like there is some conflict if we mix them.

I think they become different sides of different coins when one has taken the time to master one's emotions and separate it from their logical reasoning. The argument that they are different becomes more logical with control. The truth is; many many people do not make the effort to control emotions and therefore their logic could be compromised by a literal lack of control. Logic also must be studied and learned. Not everyone is blessed with sound logical thinking or ample common sense. So what you are seeing is a wide range of emotion and logic especially depending on the person and their experience.

When it comes to emotion and logic, I tend to look inward to decide if I am controlling my emotions and aiding reason in decision-making. I also understand that most decisions do not have to take place immediately and will study a decision for some weeks to make sure I am not forgetting anything. Once you have a handle on your situation, it becomes easier to see the range in others.

[Pris]

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today I was reading about some badass dictators when I was stopped at how they justify their way of ruling and prices people have to pay for that. something close to "goals justify the means". and I was thinking is their logic based on their emotions or its their emotions based on their logics?

for example (a person kills another) a claim like may not gives a deep feeling of sadness or pleasure because we have not rationalize it yet. it could depend on the reason(revenge/ robbery/ self defense...)

for bigger scale, lets say wars. The leaders do same they have their own logic or rational reason to justify killing thousands or hundred thousands of people. for them it could be a self defense or something the other country own to them and they are taking it back or it could be that they see them as devils who want to ruin the world..

what puzzling me is : their logic is based on their emotion, like if someone (who turned to be leader later) has trauma like bad parents "molested" then their logic will be created based on their deep emotions?, or their emotions created on their analyzing of the situation and how they logicize it

and another thing. emotions are based on chemicals in body (neurotransmitters: dopamine /serotonin /glutamate /norepinephrine...etc) which released when feeling is triggered but at same time you can use some methods or compounds to release it so again our emotions are controlled by such chemical things or those just chemical things are controlled by our emotions?

I am just trying to understand the connection between logic and emotions as i see them 2 sides of same coin. some people usually argue that they are totally different things and even opposite to each other like there is some conflict if we mix them.

PS : I consider emotions presence does exist even if the dark triad people or even dark empath ...etc but somehow twisted.

I would love to hear about your opinion and feedback


Psychopathy. I figure you're basically trying to rationalize psychopathy. Psychopaths aren't like the rest of us. So, when it comes to what the majority of us think with regard to logic and emotions, anything we relate to is an entirely different animal in the head of a psycho. Psychopaths think they're perfectly normal -- even superior to the rest of us. Theirs is the lack of conscience -- the inability to grasp the moral consequences of their thoughts and actions. No behavior is "off limits" to them. Anyone or anything is just a commodity to them -- to use and abuse. I think that's why psychos seek out other psychos so they can band together to normalize their psychosis in their own little echo chamber to justify their wanton desires and actions. Examples: sexual deviancy like pedophilia, BDSM, insatiable lust for power and wealth, power tripping and sexual gratification through the manipulation, torture, and murder of their victims.

Perhaps, it is because these monsters are so ugly inside and hate themselves so much that they project outwards and attempt to feel better by perverting and destroying all that is good.

Meantime, what we're seeing today worldwide is a multi-faceted subversive attack coming from these lunatics against the majority of people -- who tend to be moral and decent -- in an attempt to infect and corrupt everyone's mind with their disease so they can basically "come out of the closet" with their "new normal" and everyone will go along with it. This is what happens when the world is held hostage by psychopaths.

[superior88]

actually what I am trying is to understand even a bit about human nature. and I believe emotions / logics play main role in our life as human because ,as I see it, we are still very far from understanding ourselves and best way to escape this by just blaming DNA whenever we cant comprehend how our body (including brain/heart) works and hence we cant handle it. the only clear thing is that all connected and work in harmony to make us who we are as a system but digging into this system is still vague and unclear

my main concern if we are able to have a better view of how this works, its possible to find a cure not just treatment for some mental(which mostly cause to biological) diseases which considered now only treatable by keep using some chemical or method to keep it under control

all negative and positive emotions are necessary and they need each other for us to have better feeling to feel our humanity. the era we live, they try to eliminate negative feelings like making our life easier and safer but I think the outcome comes in negative way

I hope I was able to deliver my message in a clear way and my point is not confusing but I am really interested to hear more feedback/ opinions from you guys

[ian33]

https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/article/the-concept-of-the-triune-brain
..different parts of the brain which work best when connected and cooperating
..denial of one for another can lead to a schizoid state, with a strong unconscious element creating difficult undercurrents
there are more brain sections, one at the very top, the 'crown' a spiritual component
Activity in the parietal cortex, an area of the brain involved in awareness of self and others as well as attention processing, seems to be a common element among individuals who have experienced a variety of spiritual experiences, according to a study published online May 29 in the journal Cerebral Cortex.