Dr. Jordan Peterson Reacts to Court Decision to Take Away His Freedom of Speech

[Pris]

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Dr. Jordan Peterson reacts to a new court decision to take away his freedom of speech. The original order came from the College of Psychologists of Ontario for Dr. Peterson to undergo a re-education program by their so-called "social media experts" -- a profession that does not exist - until, in their judgement, Jordan has "learned his lesson" or they can take away his license.

Jordan Peterson is defiant against not having the right to have a political opinion (or the right to have so-called "unacceptable views"). If the College insists on Jordan being re-educated in order to keep his license, he says, "Bring it on!" and will air it all publicly so that everyone can watch and see exactly what they're doing to him.

Obviously, anyone who questions the globalist's narrative/agenda is a danger to them. Their tentacles have reached deeply into many countries. So of course, where they are concerned, anyone who calls out their insanity needs to be attacked, ridiculed and/or silenced.

In this interview, Jordan Peterson also addresses the "woke" culture (which includes climate alarmism and the LGBTQ movement), his opposition to that ideology, and how it's all connected to this attack on his ability to speak freely in Canada. He warns that the same censorship agenda is happening in other countries. By standing up against the system that's becoming more tyrannical by the day, he knows he is a strong voice for Canadians and for people around the world who still think freedom of speech is everyone's right.


JBP Reacts to Court Decision


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_o8goN6FOA

[thepainterdoug]

this is very important and most people have no idea this is even real or a debate. We need people like Jordan to take this head on and to fight back for himself and all of us .

[Ernie Nemeth]

My current timeline for things returning to some semblance of normalcy and sanity is four years. That fits with Jordan's estimate for his lawfare challenge to be resolved.

I don't believe we will ever return to the 'way things were', or even that in 4 years peace will dawn upon a new era of truth and reconciliation. No, I believe though, that in four years we will walk back a lot of the narratives that have dominated the planet these last ten to thirteen years to a place from where the truth will be evident and a new way forward will be advocated for by the masses.

What that will look like I don't know.

I'm sure that the new realities of our present situation will force a great deal of social justice and reparations to the fore. But not based on race, based on the corrupt system that has fleeced us all. Systems will need to be dismantled and reimagined to foster true equity and equal opportunity. So much will need to be rethought and rebuilt from the ground on up.

But not in four years. In four years free speech might be restored to a large degree and there will be far less censorship on social media. Even the news might return to its fair reporting and in depth investigations unfettered by political affiliation. These things take time, but they all spring from one central irrefutable point: without free speech there is no justice.

I hope Jordan Peterson follows through on his plan. It could turn out to be the watershed moment we, at least I, have been waiting a long time for.

[Denise/Dizi]

This is not just an issue in Canada, or any other country, it is happening everywhere. And the worst part about it, is it has a trickle affect, and people who are , "Not wanting to rock the boat" are supporting it, (Whether willingly or not) without even realizing that eventually it will come back and bit them in the butt as well.... And this is happening in the educational systems, the court systems, major corporations, and most importantly, our "wealth care" systems.. (Health care).

I cringe when I think about just how many humans are staying in corrupt places, for fear of losing their income or credibility... Or doing things that protect them, for fear of facing reprisals... Doing things they feel are not morally correct, such as keeping life saving medications, out of the hands of patients that truly need them... Just because the "Protocols" placed before them... "From higher up" suggest.....

Or worse, silencing one voice such as this one, KNOWING that it would also affect them, should they ever choose to speak about their own beliefs... How can they live with themselves, and follow through with such things after realizing this, do they even realize it?

I am sure it is being presented "Politically correctly", meaning those at the top are suggesting "Surely we are not trying to silence him, just his connection to our fundamental beliefs, his political thoughts are his own, and he cannot be the voice for our institution".. But really that's just babble to get those who have no backbone, to approve such actions... Any smart individual is capable of recognizing that he is NOT speaking for the institution that gave him a degree, but as his own personal opinions... Someone wants to "shut him up" and is using this way to attempt to do so.

The question then becomes... Should he fight for that corrupt certificate? Or spend his energy trying to continue to wake the public to what is going on around them?

If he isn't "practicing", I feel he should let go of the credentials, they're just ridiculous paper... And he should continue what he is doing, which is reaching the public, and expressing things they may not be able to see for themselves. Without someone "ringing the alarm."

But on the other side of the coin, there is also the potential to win the case, and show others that there is till hope to keep big business, big government, and corrupt people "In check". Right now he does have a platform and people are listening, so using his energy and time continuing to get the word out, versus wasting it fighting the corruption as one individual, seems useless. Perhaps when MANY can stand up with him, after they themselves wake up, the end result would be far more effective. But it is not my choice to make.

It reminds me of something I once heard/learned when I was younger, and selling skincare products. Much smaller on the scale of manipulation, but the "Grooming process" none the less... And I felt dirty knowing that the company was doing this to their employees... and the public at large, as we also had a pharmacy on site, and that meant they were treating the pharmacists and ancillaries the same way as well... Teaching them what worked, and allowing patients to walk away with things that didn't work, for fear of liability on behalf of the company...

I was considered a "Beauty Consultant"... I was given a massive amount of education on products we sold to do this, as far as what those products truly could or could not do... Of course, the trainers also told us "Off label" uses as "Hacks", just for our personal knowledge, as "Friendly tips". But because we were not going to be licensed, and practicing Cosmotologists, we were warned never to tell the public about things that were "Off label" usage... For example, a gal could come in complaining of puffiness around the eyes in the morning, and we were only allowed to read labels and tell them which product would puff up the skin, temporarily, around the eyes, to blend in that puffiness.... All the while we KNEW that Preperation H instantly removed swelling...

Because it "Wasn't printed on the label" to be used around the "eyes", we were told NEVER to recommend it, as the business could be sued if they got some in the actual eye... So in essence, we were told we could be sued if we told them what "ACTUALLY WORKED"... And not sued, if we merely mimicked the claims of the manufacturers, by way of parroting what their labels claimed...

I know it sounds silly, but it woke me up a bit, as this was my introduction into the game of "Shift the blame to save the corporation"... Hide the truth, because we could be liable... Something the medical industry does to the point where people literally DIE as a result...

It has to change... Perhaps it is a good thing they singled out Jordan, as he does have a backbone, and DOES use his voice...

Just my opinions... Good luck to Jordan and his family in this battle...

[Pris]

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My current timeline for things returning to some semblance of normalcy and sanity is four years. That fits with Jordan's estimate for his lawfare challenge to be resolved.

I don't believe we will ever return to the 'way things were', or even that in 4 years peace will dawn upon a new era of truth and reconciliation. No, I believe though, that in four years we will walk back a lot of the narratives that have dominated the planet these last ten to thirteen years to a place from where the truth will be evident and a new way forward will be advocated for by the masses.

What that will look like I don't know.

I'm sure that the new realities of our present situation will force a great deal of social justice and reparations to the fore. But not based on race, based on the corrupt system that has fleeced us all. Systems will need to be dismantled and reimagined to foster true equity and equal opportunity. So much will need to be rethought and rebuilt from the ground on up.

But not in four years. In four years free speech might be restored to a large degree and there will be far less censorship on social media. Even the news might return to its fair reporting and in depth investigations unfettered by political affiliation. These things take time, but they all spring from one central irrefutable point: without free speech there is no justice.

I hope Jordan Peterson follows through on his plan. It could turn out to be the watershed moment we, at least I, have been waiting a long time for.


Thanks for your thoughts. Although I think your heart's in the right place, there are some words/terminology you use I'd watch out for. For example, "social justice" and "reparations" are synonymous with the totalitarian Marxist religion trying to take over. It's "social justice" that's carried us so far down the road to hell. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." And, the idea of "reparations" (the victim class) needs to die with "social justice". We all need to move forward as equals. "Equity" is another nasty, dirty globalist term for ushering in their global domination. That term needs to die a swift death.

Of course, the criminals need to face fair justice under the law. I think we can all agree on that.

We don't need to "re-imagine" anything moving forward. It's the globalist's "re-imagining" that's turned the world into a hellhole. Any group or movement that decides what's best for everyone else ("social justice", socialism) will take us back down the road to hell faster than you can blink.

The original systems that, for example, made America great to begin with, are still there. They've been shelved, but they're still there. We want what we had going back a few decades. It's not about dismantling and rebuilding from the ground up like the globalists want. We want to tear off the globalist's facade that they've propped up over our existing structures. Once, we do that, we'll be in the clear.

This is about individual rights and freedom. Sovereignty, bodily autonomy. Keep it as simple as possible with the least amount of government and we'll do great. Again. That time may come faster than you think.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks for the lesson.

Surprised you think I need it.

The talking points I used were the talking points of the progressive left before it was appropriated by the globalists and their Marxist followers.

It was the fundamental tenet of liberalism, to seek equity, equality and fair play. This was during the heydays of the success of the middle class. When things were pretty good for everyone. We still called for these things. We already understood the corruption inherent in the system. And we could predict where it was going even then.

And now here we are.

My point was to highlight the fact that the extreme left has appropriated the language of the progressive left, those that advocated for change against the powers that seek to control every aspect of our lives.

I have always been a Liberal.
It is only during this clown show of the last few years that I have been forced to the right by the enemies I/we have always warned about.

When the occupy movement petered out, it was obvious the radicals were on the march, together with their unholy alliance with mega-billionaires and UN globalists.

To go back to the way it was is to set up for another round of extremism in the future.
No, we need to dismantle the entire system and root out the evil and the collusion and the greed.

Only then can we move forward in peace.

[Pris]

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Thanks for the lesson.

Surprised you think I need it.

The talking points I used were the talking points of the progressive left before it was appropriated by the globalists and their Marxist followers.

It was the fundamental tenet of liberalism, to seek equity, equality and fair play. This was during the heydays of the success of the middle class. When things were pretty good for everyone. We still called for these things. We already understood the corruption inherent in the system. And we could predict where it was going even then.

And now here we are.

My point was to highlight the fact that the extreme left has appropriated the language of the progressive left, those that advocated for change against the powers that seek to control every aspect of our lives.

I have always been a Liberal.
It is only during this clown show of the last few years that I have been forced to the right by the enemies I/we have always warned about.

When the occupy movement petered out, it was obvious the radicals were on the march, together with their unholy alliance with mega-billionaires and UN globalists.

To go back to the way it was is to set up for another round of extremism in the future.
No, we need to dismantle the entire system and root out the evil and the collusion and the greed.

Only then can we move forward in peace.


My comment isn't so much a lesson for you but to provide information to anyone else reading this. You're welcome to disregard everything I say.

Do you really believe those words and phrases weren't already seeping into our society and culture -- planned in advance decades ago -- by the globalists? WW2 never really ended, we're still at it. The globalists are masters at mind manipulation, psyops.

Words (and symbols) are powerful. Language is powerful. The globalists know it. And, it's not just language they've undermined over decades (I already started to notice odd, manipulative word-changes used by government back in the 80s probably because I lived in a government ministry town [Ministry of Health, Ministry of Education, Ministry of Transportation and Highways etc.). These globalists are very patient and persistent. Look how they recently steered the gay community into the LGBTQ nonsense in order to weaponize that against the world? Everyone's been targeted and terrorized by that manufactured movement.

Like it or not, however those words and phrases originated, they're now synonymous with Marxism and the globalist's agenda to dominate the world. Using those words continues to help them. These weaponized words and phrases have been aggressively used against us -- instilled into people's heads -- to cause cognitive dissonance and always will.

Even a good symbol like the Swastika is not considered a good symbol anymore because of how it was appropriated by the Nazis back in the day. Similarly, I think people have had their fill of rainbow flags. The rainbow is going to be a hard one to pull back because it is now synonymous with pedophiles. The globalists sure know how to brand something and market it to whomever their target audience happens to be...

I agree we need to root out the evil, but we do not have to dismantle the foundations, traditions, laws and order upon what free countries were originally built upon.

[Pris]

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Only then can we move forward in peace.


Are you suggesting that peace is the answer? And, what is your vision for peace? Everyone has their own idea what peace is. That's why we have wars.

The globalist's idea of peace (for themselves) is everyone else living in 15 minute cities, owning nothing, and eating bug burgers.

Personally, I like a world that is kept on its toes, always in a state of alert and with healthy suspicion for potential national enemies both foreign and domestic (direct and subversive). It's vital to have a domestic population that's always informed and knows what's going on and that can only happen with freedom of speech.

It's wise for all nations to keep a defensive posture ALWAYS. That's how we AVOID WARS. It's about RESPECT and showing STRENGTH -- each nation putting themselves FIRST. One can never trust. As we can clearly see, especially with our own country, it is when we become peaceful that we become complacent and ripe for domination by those who seek power and control.

[Matthew]

Professor Peterson keeps trying to heal academia. He's the kind of voice that would heal the abuse of terms talked about in this thread. Add in he always talks about God and holds his own at intellectual debates at all levels. What a nightmare, no wonder he's under constant assault. He has my respect but he grates against me - when he talks about God I don't feel the spirit, like he's a rules-based person. However, I'm not the Pope and I don't know everything. But there's enough there for me to want to back him up. It's like a war of attrition between Peterson's sanity vs official Canada's insanity.

[Akasha]

I'm almost at a loss for words. Peterson is paid by Shapiro. Why are we, as an enlightened collective, not seeing this for the pantomime it is?

[thepainterdoug]

Interesting debate friends. Akasha, can you expand on your knowledge of Peterson? Do you mean Ben Shapiro? And the ramifications?

There doesnt seem to be a single soul I like or admire that at some point soon is not called out for being on the take from somebody.

I heard Jesus was in collusion with the fishing industry.

[Akasha]

Interesting debate friends. Akasha, can you expand on your knowledge of Peterson? Do you mean Ben Shapiro? And the ramifications?

There doesnt seem to be a single soul I like or admire that at some point soon is not called out for being on the take from somebody.

I heard Jesus was in collusion with the fishing industry.

Hey Doug, no, yes and I'm sure you can figure the ramifications out for yourself. I simply made a personal observation. I have no interest in debating this subject. If you and others can't see this for what it is, I really don't know what to say.

[Ernie Nemeth]

The radical left mob of cultists, marxists, globalists and fascists will not dictate to me what words or phrases I did, do, or will use.

[Ewan]

If you and others can't see this for what it is, I really don't know what to say.


You could try some data and reasoned argument, convince us! Because the quoted text I isolated above is a rather poor attempt at enlightening anyone.

You might as well have said "If you don't see the world the way I see it you are an idiot!" - which you kind of did....

[Pris]

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Interesting debate friends. Akasha, can you expand on your knowledge of Peterson? Do you mean Ben Shapiro? And the ramifications?

There doesnt seem to be a single soul I like or admire that at some point soon is not called out for being on the take from somebody.

I heard Jesus was in collusion with the fishing industry.


That's a good one, pd! :biggrin1:


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Hey Doug, no, yes and I'm sure you can figure the ramifications out for yourself. I simply made a personal observation. I have no interest in debating this subject. If you and others can't see this for what it is, I really don't know what to say.


Thanks for making it abundantly clear that we may completely disregard your posts.

[Akasha]

.....Thanks for making it abundantly clear that we may completely disregard your posts.....

Ah, the royal "We". God forbid "We" should become subject to group-think. Appreciate the input, Pris.

[Akasha]

If you and others can't see this for what it is, I really don't know what to say.


You could try some data and reasoned argument, convince us! Because the quoted text I isolated above is a rather poor attempt at enlightening anyone.

You might as well have said "If you don't see the world the way I see it you are an idiot!" - which you kind of did....
I appreciate your attempts to read between the lines, Ewan, however, to be clear, I didn’t call anyone an idiot nor was I insinuating such. Rather i was trying to highlight how we can become fooled by those attempting to maintain their grip over us.

For those who are struggling to grasp the essence of my comment, I’ll try to break it down.

Peterson is a zionist gatekeeper and a judas goat for the Christians who are a crucial aspect of the zionist plan, rather like Jones, Avi Yemeni, Prager or Ezra Levant. They claim to be of the people, but in fact are manipulating freedom-loving folk into becoming sympathetic to the terrorist state of Israel through the back door as it were.

The legislation put in place is not to silence Peterson per sé, who literally works for a (Rothschild) zionist, but rather those who would criticise the narradigm.

But hey, it’s just my opinion.

I hope that clears things up.

[SilentFeathers]

This is not just an issue in Canada, or any other country, it is happening everywhere. And the worst part about it, is it has a trickle affect, and people who are , "Not wanting to rock the boat" are supporting it, (Whether willingly or not) without even realizing that eventually it will come back and bit them in the butt as well.... And this is happening in the educational systems, the court systems, major corporations, and most importantly, our "wealth care" systems.. (Health care).

The Salem Witch Trials on steroids!

What we're seeing is something like these witch trials but on a global level. People are not being burned at the stake or hanged, yet, but public ordered murders/executions are actually the next step to be taken and not that far off in my opinion. Many have been driven to suicide and some have been murdered due to their beliefs so far, it is getting worse.


The Salem witch trials were a series of hearings and prosecutions of people accused of witchcraft in colonial Massachusetts between February 1692 and May 1693. More than 200 people were accused. Thirty people were found guilty, 19 of whom were executed by hanging (14 women and five men). One other man, Giles Corey, died under torture after refusing to enter a plea, and at least five people died in jail.[1]

Arrests were made in numerous towns beyond Salem and Salem Village (known today as Danvers), notably Andover and Topsfield. The grand juries and trials for this capital crime were conducted by a Court of Oyer and Terminer in 1692 and by a Superior Court of Judicature in 1693, both held in Salem Town, where the hangings also took place. It was the deadliest witch hunt in the history of colonial North America. Only fourteen other women and two men had been executed in Massachusetts and Connecticut during the 17th century. (From Wikipedia)

Mr. Peterson needs to watch his back for sure!

Once someone well known like Peterson or even Trump is snuffed out and no one goes to jail for it the mindless zombies will think their free to kill all those that don't agree with them or that they think are offensive and that is when the real chaos will begin.

[Michel Leclerc]

To this contribution of you, Matthew:

“Professor Peterson keeps trying to heal academia. He's the kind of voice that would heal the abuse of terms talked about in this thread. Add in he always talks about God and holds his own at intellectual debates at all levels. What a nightmare, no wonder he's under constant assault. He has my respect but he grates against me - when he talks about God I don't feel the spirit, like he's a rules-based person. However, I'm not the Pope and I don't know everything. But there's enough there for me to want to back him up. It's like a war of attrition between Peterson's sanity vs official Canada's insanity.

Amen, on all points.

[Pris]

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.....Thanks for making it abundantly clear that we may completely disregard your posts.....

Ah, the royal "We". God forbid "We" should become subject to group-think. Appreciate the input, Pris.


You've already raised the eyebrows on a few of us. I'm not out of line here as your comments have been intentionally condescending to the members here. The word is "may". I said we may ignore you, not must.

"Groupthink"... interesting word choice. I would imagine that Dr. Jordan Peterson would have a great deal to say about that subject considering how the corrupted system is going after him for having the audacity to call out the globalist's BS narrative.

The subject of this thread -- especially with regard to what's going on in Canada right now -- is the antithesis to "groupthink". Dr. Jordan Peterson is a fighter and he won't be intimidated into silence by some group of people that consider themselves to be the "authority" over what others are permitted to say. They are threatening to take his license away if he doesn't comply to taking a "groupthink" re-education program and acknowledge the "error of his ways". The degree required to redeem himself is left up to others to arbitrarily decide. They're literally making up this nonsense as they go along. Meantime, what appears to be a corrupt court decision on the matter has put the wheels into motion.

Did you even watch the interview?

Whatever you may think of him, Dr. Jordan Peterson is highly respected and listened to by many Canadians regardless of their political leanings. He is a high profile Canadian who apparently has "unacceptable views" and has therefore joined the ranks of the so-called "small fringe minority". That makes him a danger to the globalists because he has the ability to wake up lot of Canadians. This is why they have to make an example of him by attempting to knock the wind out of him... to which Jordan responds, "Bring it on!"

This interview reaction from Dr. Jordan Peterson to a court decision to take away his freedom of speech will wake up more sleepy-headed Canadians than ever before. Waking people up out of their psyop-induced coma is a hugely positive step forward in our fight against the globalists, not just for Canadians, but for all freedom-loving people around the world.

[Pris]

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Mr. Peterson needs to watch his back for sure!

Once someone well known like Peterson or even Trump is snuffed out and no one goes to jail for it the mindless zombies will think their free to kill all those that don't agree with them or that they think are offensive and that is when the real chaos will begin.


I think we're being brought to the precipice. It's going to be close... or at the very least, it must appear that way in order to wake people up.

It's crazy how absurd the world MUST become in order to snap people out of their hypnosis.

I do have my concerns for all those involved in the front line battles. And, not everyone has a legion of bodyguards, snipers, and military to protect them everywhere they go.

[Pris]

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Professor Peterson keeps trying to heal academia. He's the kind of voice that would heal the abuse of terms talked about in this thread. Add in he always talks about God and holds his own at intellectual debates at all levels. What a nightmare, no wonder he's under constant assault. He has my respect but he grates against me - when he talks about God I don't feel the spirit, like he's a rules-based person. However, I'm not the Pope and I don't know everything. But there's enough there for me to want to back him up. It's like a war of attrition between Peterson's sanity vs official Canada's insanity.


You say that Dr. Jordan Peterson's voice is the kind "that would heal the abuse of terms talked about in this thread". Which words and phrases, specifically, are you referring to and how do you think they can be "healed"?

I like that Jordan Peterson has your respect. Jordan, in my opinion, is a very "left-brain" individual. He is what he is and I wouldn't want him any other way. Everyone feels differently. You may not "feel the spirit" coming from Jordan, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. How does that matter anyway? What I see is a strong, dignified man.

Jordan Peterson has gone through and continues to go through trying times. Despite being very intellectual, he has read the system wrong in many ways and he's only just waking up to it. As he goes along, he learns, just like the rest of us. Unfortunately, Jordan has been forced to learn some of the lessons the hard way... like the fact that he trustingly took the death-jab (in order to travel) and only realized later how it was all a terrible con. It is refreshing to me to see his general outrage, finally. Only recently, he's been putting the pieces together in a frenzy. Thank goodness we have another awake and aware alpha male on our team.

[shaberon]

No, we need to dismantle the entire system and root out the evil and the collusion and the greed.

Only then can we move forward in peace.






It first of all would be a matter of identifying a "system" that is dysfunctional. I see we are getting examples of failure to communicate and, subsequently, lack of cohesion.

I call it Capitalism.

It is not a 1900s political theory, so much as it is "ownership of capital", which is a tangible, which exists as the Bank of England, as well as private fondi of wealth from continental Europe extending back at least to the Crusades.

By extension now it includes the entire western clique of wealth hoarding and trammeling the lives of those who are not in the clique.

This transcends politics and religion, in fact, I think it transcends the members of the clique themselves. Doesn't care if it makes or breaks any particular rich person. It just has one way of working, profit.

I am not sure how it could really be revised other than dissolving influential institutions and re-formulating all the laws passed in their favor. A government's legitimate role would be in protecting us from those others who are up to something. Instead it provides for well-being. That's not what I see happening.

It is not that hard to find a sort of lifeline where most countries received a central bank hooked in to the same system.

Since around the time of the London School of Economics, most proponents have taken the name Capitalism unto themselves. There is not one word that represents the totality of everything that could be said, about abstracts, such as evil, but this does more or less identify the users of a main machine built in 1694.

The facts of it are not an opinion; my negative reaction is.

[Pris]

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No, we need to dismantle the entire system and root out the evil and the collusion and the greed.

Only then can we move forward in peace.


It first of all would be a matter of identifying a "system" that is dysfunctional. I see we are getting examples of failure to communicate and, subsequently, lack of cohesion.

I call it Capitalism.

It is not a 1900s political theory, so much as it is "ownership of capital", which is a tangible, which exists as the Bank of England, as well as private fondi of wealth from continental Europe extending back at least to the Crusades.

By extension now it includes the entire western clique of wealth hoarding and trammeling the lives of those who are not in the clique.

This transcends politics and religion, in fact, I think it transcends the members of the clique themselves. Doesn't care if it makes or breaks any particular rich person. It just has one way of working, profit.

I am not sure how it could really be revised other than dissolving influential institutions and re-formulating all the laws passed in their favor. A government's legitimate role would be in protecting us from those others who are up to something. Instead it provides for well-being. That's not what I see happening.

It is not that hard to find a sort of lifeline where most countries received a central bank hooked in to the same system.

Since around the time of the London School of Economics, most proponents have taken the name Capitalism unto themselves. There is not one word that represents the totality of everything that could be said, about abstracts, such as evil, but this does more or less identify the users of a main machine built in 1694.

The facts of it are not an opinion; my negative reaction is.


:offtopic:

I do not think a debate about Capitalism is appropriate for this thread and would prefer that the topic is continued elsewhere.

Everyone, please stick to the topic of the thread. Thank you.


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[amor]

Dr. Jordan Peterson: I am with you 100%. What nerve for the Chinese paid-off rabble, now representing themselves as the educated and governing of Canada to eliminate freedom of speech, and especially from one so well educated in his subject. This is as good as saying to the rest of the country, we will do whatever we please to you ignorant compliant fools, including rob you blind, kill you off, rip out your organs without benefit of anesthetic as we do in China and sell them to others for the enrichment of our bank accounts, keep your children in ignorance, imprison you in our skyscrapers as we have done in Shanghai, starve you to death by locking you up in our prison-skyscrapers, murder your pets by grinding them up in our garbage trucks, cancel your bank accounts and incrementally use every means of murdering you so that our CCP population may abscond with your country. Such Crum-buns need to be eliminated and shown no mercy.

[Akasha]

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.....Thanks for making it abundantly clear that we may completely disregard your posts.....

Ah, the royal "We". God forbid "We" should become subject to group-think. Appreciate the input, Pris.


You've already raised the eyebrows on a few of us. I'm not out of line here as your comments have been intentionally condescending to the members here. The word is "may". I said we may ignore you, not must.

"Groupthink"... interesting word choice. I would imagine that Dr. Jordan Peterson would have a great deal to say about that subject considering how the corrupted system is going after him for having the audacity to call out the globalist's BS narrative.

The subject of this thread -- especially with regard to what's going on in Canada right now -- is the antithesis to "groupthink". Dr. Jordan Peterson is a fighter and he won't be intimidated into silence by some group of people that consider themselves to be the "authority" over what others are permitted to say. They are threatening to take his license away if he doesn't comply to taking a "groupthink" re-education program and acknowledge the "error of his ways". The degree required to redeem himself is left up to others to arbitrarily decide. They're literally making up this nonsense as they go along. Meantime, what appears to be a corrupt court decision on the matter has put the wheels into motion.

Did you even watch the interview?

Whatever you may think of him, Dr. Jordan Peterson is highly respected and listened to by many Canadians regardless of their political leanings. He is a high profile Canadian who apparently has "unacceptable views" and has therefore joined the ranks of the so-called "small fringe minority". That makes him a danger to the globalists because he has the ability to wake up lot of Canadians. This is why they have to make an example of him by attempting to knock the wind out of him... to which Jordan responds, "Bring it on!"

This interview reaction from Dr. Jordan Peterson to a court decision to take away his freedom of speech will wake up more sleepy-headed Canadians than ever before. Waking people up out of their psyop-induced coma is a hugely positive step forward in our fight against the globalists, not just for Canadians, but for all freedom-loving people around the world.

Peterson is not "a fighter". He is an actor (with a benzo' addiction). Kind of like Jones except his preferred poison is meth'. The more you parrot the Unit 8200 line, the more people will realise where you are unwittingly or worse, wittingly, coming from.

[Akasha]

Why is it always the zionist "truthers" who are hit with legal action for their deeds? Peterson is the latest example, but this scenario is just Jones/Sandy Hook 2.0. Does anyone seriously believe that Jones' purse is now half a billion dollars lighter? Gimme a break.

[Akasha]

Jones/Sandy Hook and now this remind me of the Bill Hicks/Basic Instinct skit.


L-ljFgB2o7U

[Pris]

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.


.....Thanks for making it abundantly clear that we may completely disregard your posts.....



Ah, the royal "We". God forbid "We" should become subject to group-think. Appreciate the input, Pris.


You've already raised the eyebrows on a few of us. I'm not out of line here as your comments have been intentionally condescending to the members here. The word is "may". I said we may ignore you, not must.

"Groupthink"... interesting word choice. I would imagine that Dr. Jordan Peterson would have a great deal to say about that subject considering how the corrupted system is going after him for having the audacity to call out the globalist's BS narrative.

The subject of this thread -- especially with regard to what's going on in Canada right now -- is the antithesis to "groupthink". Dr. Jordan Peterson is a fighter and he won't be intimidated into silence by some group of people that consider themselves to be the "authority" over what others are permitted to say. They are threatening to take his license away if he doesn't comply to taking a "groupthink" re-education program and acknowledge the "error of his ways". The degree required to redeem himself is left up to others to arbitrarily decide. They're literally making up this nonsense as they go along. Meantime, what appears to be a corrupt court decision on the matter has put the wheels into motion.

Did you even watch the interview?

Whatever you may think of him, Dr. Jordan Peterson is highly respected and listened to by many Canadians regardless of their political leanings. He is a high profile Canadian who apparently has "unacceptable views" and has therefore joined the ranks of the so-called "small fringe minority". That makes him a danger to the globalists because he has the ability to wake up lot of Canadians. This is why they have to make an example of him by attempting to knock the wind out of him... to which Jordan responds, "Bring it on!"

This interview reaction from Dr. Jordan Peterson to a court decision to take away his freedom of speech will wake up more sleepy-headed Canadians than ever before. Waking people up out of their psyop-induced coma is a hugely positive step forward in our fight against the globalists, not just for Canadians, but for all freedom-loving people around the world.

Peterson is not "a fighter". He is an actor (with a benzo' addiction). Kind of like Jones except his preferred poison is meth'. The more you parrot the Unit 8200 line, the more people will realise where you are unwittingly or worse, wittingly, coming from.



Why is it always the zionist "truthers" who are hit with legal action for their deeds? Peterson is the latest example, but this scenario is just Jones/Sandy Hook 2.0. Does anyone seriously believe that Jones' purse is now half a billion dollars lighter? Gimme a break.



Jones/Sandy Hook and now this remind me of the Bill Hicks/Basic Instinct skit.


L-ljFgB2o7U


:offtopic:


Not only is this off topic, this deliberate derailment is not welcome in my thread.


Moderators, please take care of this. Thank you.

[Matthew]

You say that Dr. Jordan Peterson's voice is the kind "that would heal the abuse of terms talked about in this thread". Which words and phrases, specifically, are you referring to and how do you think they can be "healed"?

I like that Jordan Peterson has your respect. Jordan, in my opinion, is a very "left-brain" individual. He is what he is and I wouldn't want him any other way. Everyone feels differently. You may not "feel the spirit" coming from Jordan, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. How does that matter anyway? What I see is a strong, dignified man.

Jordan Peterson has gone through and continues to go through trying times. Despite being very intellectual, he has read the system wrong in many ways and he's only just waking up to it. As he goes along, he learns, just like the rest of us. Unfortunately, Jordan has been forced to learn some of the lessons the hard way... like the fact that he trustingly took the death-jab (in order to travel) and only realized later how it was all a terrible con. It is refreshing to me to see his general outrage, finally. Only recently, he's been putting the pieces together in a frenzy. Thank goodness we have another awake and aware alpha male on our team.

Whatever strengths he has he's still a flawed human, that's not my fault.

He wants to heal misguided thinking. This isn't my mission, I see it in everything he's done/doing. He's an academic, that is his world-identity that gives him the social status he has.

He's a rules based person and slightly narcissistic. I don't feel the spirit in him. It's a terminus opinion of mine and if I'm going to change my mind I haven't so far. Respectfully nothing you've said has influenced me. We can agree to differ.

He didn't just take the death-jab though, what else happened? I'll say it: he told people to "dam well get the vaccine", and he did this because he's got one leg planted rooted firmly in academia. That's the issue with academics like Peterson or Dr Campbell, because academia is their truth. When he grandstanded, and took it upon himself to spend the trust people have in him to urge them to get jabbed, he's showing how vulnerable he is because of his narcissistic trait. He can't help himself! Sure he changed his mind, I'm cool with that. But if you're glossing over his insistence to his followers that they get jabbed then good for you because I can forgive but no, I'm not forgetting.

Sure! Yeah, I love seeing an alpha male fight back, best show ever. This is why I support him. But like any academic we need to look twice at things he says. In light of his unwarranted self-importance to insist that everyone gets jabbed how is this not a reasonable position? I will cheer the things I support from him on one hand and keep my eyes wide open on the other. The same goes for Dr Campbell.

[Akasha]

.....Not only is this off topic, this deliberate derailment is not welcome in my thread.


Moderators, please take care of this. Thank you.....

Dear Pris, what I am trying to highlight is that the legislation against Peterson would not stand up in a court of law once it attempts to go up against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of which Canada is a signatory. I trust that many will test the validity of the legislation in this way and show it up for the sham that it is rather than solely observing what we have just witnessed and then concluding all is lost.

[Tintin]

Moderators, please take care of this. Thank you.

We're just considering what the best course of action might be here and will inform parties as to any action we take.

TO ALL :flower:

In the meantime sticking to the core of the issues (and their wider ramifications) that JP is contending with here will help to keep the thread on-track and we do ask - please - that all contributors here focus on these issues, not necessarily the person. This does have the potential for a very intelligent debate, conducted in a civil manner. There are some bright minds here: let them shine.

Thankyou :flower:

[Bill Ryan]

Mod note from Bill:

Ditto to Tintin's mod post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121772-Dr.-Jordan-Peterson-Reacts-to-Court-Decision-to-Take-Away-His-Freedom-of-Speech&p=1574586&viewfull=1#post1574586) above. :thumbsup:

This thread is far, far more about Canadian government censorship (and Orwellian 'wrong-think' forced re-education) than Jordan Peterson's personality. It's hard to imagine that any Avalon member would condone or justify what seems to be happening to him, whatever his opinions or history.

We already have a general thread titled Jordan Peterson Update (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109903-Jordan-Peterson-Update&highlight=jordan), which is a much more appropriate place to share any concerns or critiques of Peterson himself. We'll not move any posts from this thread to there right now, but please do help us all keep discussions (of any kind!) to topic.

:grouphug::focus:

[Akasha]

..... It's hard to imagine that any Avalon member would condone or justify what seems to be happening to him, whatever his opinions or history......

Hi Bill, to be clear, I'm not condoning his treatment at all! The reason for my perspective is because it is him and not say Pat King who is in the limelight. If it had been Pat, he would have taken it as an opportunity to crush it in court, no doubt with reference to the Universal Declaration of Human rights.

As my previous posts reflect, I am highly suspicious when these kinds of performances by these kinds of actors keep playing out.

The average Conspiracy Joe has no doubt been effectively silenced, having accepted Jones’ SH conviction / settlement as valid. Mind control 101.

What about the other countless sites who published info’ calling into question the validity of Sandy Hook? Avalon has reams of material on the subject. Has anybody asked you to remove it under threat of litigation?

If not, my point remains. These show trials are designed to disempower freedom-
loving citizens who should be able to call (pardon my French) “a piece of sh!t” “a piece of sh!t” when they see one.

As I mentioned before, we’ll see whether this legislation really has teeth when someone other than Peterson contests it.

As of now, I will stay away from this thread, but I will say that when there is no debate within threads, each one effectively becomes its own echo chamber. So do we want Avalon to be a compilation of echo-chambers or do we want to keep it vibrant and energetic?

[norman]

As of now, I will stay away from this thread, but I will say that when there is no debate within threads, each one effectively becomes its own echo chamber. So do we want Avalon to be a compilation of echo-chambers or do we want to keep it vibrant and energetic?



I get your point but in the macro, the contestants are 2 sides of a 'spiritual' war not an intellectual war.

The war is morphing from dark V light into false light V true light. The intellect is a tool of the false light side.

I know that sounds like a totally insane comment , , ,but, it was the false light side that converted faith into belief, in the first place, so tread carefully and watch your backs ( fronts and sides too ), folks. This war is only just getting going. Head bangery ( of all polarities ) is the real psyop'.

[Matthew]

Fine.

Here's some on-topic musing. Because I have enjoyed this thread so far, and found it very informative, so I will invest in some on-topic words to say thank you. The problem is I can't find much since the ruling featured in the opening post. ...I'll think of something.

In an interview shown by The Quartering*1 Jordan says he is more sad for Canada than for himself. In my opinion he has been targeted as if he is the head of state for the anti-counterculture side. We don't always get to choose these things and Jordan seems to be taking it as such that it is not personal but symbolic.

The Quatering guy makes a good point: Jordan has superstar status, he doesn't need the establishment titles, accolades or licenses; he has the end-goal of all that which is fame and popularity. I've already made a point about how Jordan is rooted in academia, similar to Dr Campbell, so as much as we love these guys courage the issue will still be academia. Love me, love my dog academia. I might not love your academia but I do love your dog.

One hopeful consequence is possibly destroying the last bits of credibility academia has. Their spiteful ruling, enjoying the humiliation of a finger-wagging, it won't change any minds, it's purposefully spiteful, then the judge him to see if he can still have his license. But Jordan knows this. I hope this breaks him from academia, which has been abused and can be condemned down the respect hierarchy to a lower position.

The harlequin patterned suits he wears doesn't match his earnest sober nature. But they don't match him perfectly, considering he is a victim in clown-world and one of the few sensible voices I find this poetic.

Behold our academic heyóka:


https://i.postimg.cc/CMWkC2gW/image.png


https://i.postimg.cc/5N41r4bv/image.png

The Quatering: https://youtu.be/EEX5l4v_TPU?feature=shared

[Pris]

.

Mod note from Bill:

Ditto to Tintin's mod post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121772-Dr.-Jordan-Peterson-Reacts-to-Court-Decision-to-Take-Away-His-Freedom-of-Speech&p=1574586&viewfull=1#post1574586) above. :thumbsup:

This thread is far, far more about Canadian government censorship (and Orwellian 'wrong-think' forced re-education) than Jordan Peterson's personality. It's hard to imagine that any Avalon member would condone or justify what seems to be happening to him, whatever his opinions or history.

We already have a general thread titled Jordan Peterson Update (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109903-Jordan-Peterson-Update&highlight=jordan), which is a much more appropriate place to share any concerns or critiques of Peterson himself. We'll not move any posts from this thread to there right now, but please do help us all keep discussions (of any kind!) to topic.

:grouphug::focus:




..... It's hard to imagine that any Avalon member would condone or justify what seems to be happening to him, whatever his opinions or history......

Hi Bill, to be clear, I'm not condoning his treatment at all! The reason for my perspective is because it is him and not say Pat King who is in the limelight. If it had been Pat, he would have taken it as an opportunity to crush it in court, no doubt with reference to the Universal Declaration of Human rights.

As my previous posts reflect, I am highly suspicious when these kinds of performances by these kinds of actors keep playing out.

The average Conspiracy Joe has no doubt been effectively silenced, having accepted Jones’ SH conviction / settlement as valid. Mind control 101.

What about the other countless sites who published info’ calling into question the validity of Sandy Hook? Avalon has reams of material on the subject. Has anybody asked you to remove it under threat of litigation?

If not, my point remains. These show trials are designed to disempower freedom-
loving citizens who should be able to call (pardon my French) “a piece of sh!t” “a piece of sh!t” when they see one.

As I mentioned before, we’ll see whether this legislation really has teeth when someone other than Peterson contests it.

As of now, I will stay away from this thread, but I will say that when there is no debate within threads, each one effectively becomes its own echo chamber. So do we want Avalon to be a compilation of echo-chambers or do we want to keep it vibrant and energetic?


Fine.

Here's some on-topic musing. Because I have enjoyed this thread so far, and found it very informative, so I will invest in some on-topic words to say thank you. The problem is I can't find much since the ruling featured in the opening post. ...I'll think of something.

In an interview shown by The Quartering*1 Jordan says he is more sad for Canada than for himself. In my opinion he has been targeted as if he is the head of state for the anti-counterculture side. We don't always get to choose these things and Jordan seems to be taking it as such that it is not personal but symbolic.

The Quatering guy makes a good point: Jordan has superstar status, he doesn't need the establishment titles, accolades or licenses; he has the end-goal of all that which is fame and popularity. I've already made a point about how Jordan is rooted in academia, similar to Dr Campbell, so as much as we love these guys courage the issue will still be academia. Love me, love my dog academia. I might not love your academia but I do love your dog.

One hopeful consequence is possibly destroying the last bits of credibility academia has. Their spiteful ruling, enjoying the humiliation of a finger-wagging, it won't change any minds, it's purposefully spiteful, then the judge him to see if he can still have his license. But Jordan knows this. I hope this breaks him from academia, which has been abused and can be condemned down the respect hierarchy to a lower position.

The harlequin patterned suits he wears doesn't match his earnest sober nature. But they don't match him perfectly, considering he is a victim in clown-world and one of the few sensible voices I find this poetic.

Behold our academic heyóka:


https://i.postimg.cc/CMWkC2gW/image.png


https://i.postimg.cc/5N41r4bv/image.png

The Quatering: https://youtu.be/EEX5l4v_TPU?feature=shared


(Thanks Bill, much appreciated.)


Both of you, seriously. Just had to throw another couple of punches in there. Really, the best way to describe what you're doing here is character assassination and ad hominem attacks on Jordan Peterson (e.g. what's his outfit got to do with anything). There is another thread which is more appropriate for that.

The thread is about Jordan Peterson's right to freedom of speech and precisely what he said that put him in the crosshairs.


:focus:

[Michel Leclerc]

Maybe just a sideline.

I did not like the way Peterson constantly interrupted his interviewer, shouting and cursing, patronisingly giving her good points for her remarks and making her barely audible.

A hectoring communication style vis-a-vis a person who did not deserve it, at all.

[Pris]

.

Maybe just a sideline.

I did not like the way Peterson constantly interrupted his interviewer, shouting and cursing, patronisingly giving her good points for her remarks and making her barely audible.

A hectoring communication style vis-a-vis a person who did not deserve it, at all.


OFF TOPIC! There is another thread for attacking the man's character, I thought that was already made clear. (Jordan was NOT yelling at his daughter and/or interrupting her because he's, supposedly, an a-hole. He was yelling because the subject made him angry.)

Respect and focus on the subject of the thread.


:focus:

[amor]

P.S. I just love Mr. Petersons jacket! Appropriately, inappropriate. To Pris, are you a male or a female as your picture suggests? I think the former, and you have an older, wiser mind. Personally, I connect all the DOTS coming up with the truth that the Nazi's are behind all the very rich, players on the board: NWO, WWIII, conquest of North America by NWO UN, Nazi Space Program in all its disguised, wealthy pushers such as Nazis who demanded of the USA they head all Corporations after winning the war against Admiral Byrd in 1953 in Antartica. Musk and his space program: Do not be fooled by clever rhetoric, the genocidal plan to remove the human race from Earth (which I assure you is continuing in disguise), the news that South Africa was given the bomb by the Nazi's (I believe in conjunction with allowing the Aldebarans into the Congo to mine space minerals). Also the prophesy online that after the super volcano is set off in North America, a nuke from space (who has the ability to put it there?) will end all life here. Who was it that gave the approval for the Aldebarans to occupy Africa? Could it have been (1) The Inner Earth Annunaki or (2) The Reptillians and Nazis? or (3) All of the above???

Now you may say this has nothing to do with Mr. Petersen. I disagree. The DOTS are all out there to be connected. Removal of human rights is just down the road to human genocide.

[Pris]

.

P.S. I just love Mr. Petersons jacket! Appropriately, inappropriate. To Pris, are you a male or a female as your picture suggests? I think the former, and you have an older, wiser mind. Personally, I connect all the DOTS coming up with the truth that the Nazi's are behind all the very rich, players on the board: NWO, WWIII, conquest of North America by NWO UN, Nazi Space Program in all its disguised, wealthy pushers such as Nazis who demanded of the USA they head all Corporations after winning the war against Admiral Byrd in 1953 in Antartica. Musk and his space program: Do not be fooled by clever rhetoric, the genocidal plan to remove the human race from Earth (which I assure you is continuing in disguise), the news that South Africa was given the bomb by the Nazi's (I believe in conjunction with allowing the Aldebarans into the Congo to mine space minerals). Also the prophesy online that after the super volcano is set off in North America, a nuke from space (who has the ability to put it there?) will end all life here. Who was it that gave the approval for the Aldebarans to occupy Africa? Could it have been (1) The Inner Earth Annunaki or (2) The Reptillians and Nazis? or (3) All of the above???

Now you may say this has nothing to do with Mr. Petersen. I disagree. The DOTS are all out there to be connected. Removal of human rights is just down the road to human genocide.



https://i.imgflip.com/3x4hgp.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

Another mod note from Bill:

As the title accurately states, this thread is about the Canadian government's Court Decision to Take Away His (Peterson's) Freedom of Speech. (Take a look above! :))

As I reminded readers yesterday, there's a separate thread about Peterson himself (Jordan Peterson Update (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109903-Jordan-Peterson-Update)), in the Personalities in the Alternative Media (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?135-Personalities-in-the-Alternative-Media) section. His jacket, diet, communication style, and anything else about him pesonally can be discussed there.

This thread is about censorship. The mods don't usually block members from posting on specific threads, but (just a little ironically!) we're nearing the point where we really might have to deploy that here.

:focus:

[truthseek]

To stick to the topic, the following might be of interest. As a Canadian citizen, who has seen the enormous "woke" assault on our rights and freedoms in this country, I am deeply concerned. (...think of the truckers' freedom convoy awhile back, and how it got twisted into terrorism, mysogeny, frozen bank accounts and so forth. Even the last surviving minister, responsible for co-authoring the Canadian Charter of Rights was told some time ago by the courts that he was mistaken in its interpretation...) Enough said, I sourced this article of that former ministers blog, Brian Peckford42, in my opinion, as a freedom loving Canadian, it is spot on.



For Whom The Bell Tolls: Jordan Peterson And Us All !
AUGUST 26, 2023 / BRIANPECKFORD
By Barry Bussey

John Donne’s poem, “For Whom the Bell Tolls” is a fitting analogy for what has occurred to Dr. Jordan Peterson. Indeed, it is a warning to every citizen across the land. I remember still the funeral church bells at my boyhood home in Newfoundland. As Donne so well expressed it,

Each man’s death diminishes me,

For I am involved in mankind

Therefore, send not to knowFor whom the bell tolls,

It tolls for thee.

Each bell that tolls reminds us of our own mortality. We are one. As it goes for one it goes for us all.

Dr. Peterson’s loss in his bid for freedom of expression as a licensed psychologist is a loss for each of us. As it goes for him, so it goes for us. We are one.

At some point, Canadians must wake up to the reality that our courts are no longer concerned with the protection of Charter rights. It is now exceedingly evident that the myopic focus of our legal authorities is the protection of the administrative state. The bureaucrats increasingly rule us in our day to day living, as they tell us what we can say and not say, think and not think. With every court case they gain the upper hand in the new world of judicial fiction called “Charter values” all for our own good in the “public interest.”

The term “Charter values” is not found anywhere in our Constitution. It is a judicial creation. Judges in the Peterson case were afraid of the absolute right of freedom of expression exercised by this man of influence. His expression was offensive because, in their view, it violated “Charter values”—not “Charter rights,” but “values.”

The courts, and their defenders of this legal “values” construct, argue that they are not making any judgement on Peterson’s expression. Instead, they are allowing the bureaucratic regulators of the psychology profession to do their job in ensuring that psychologists are not involved in expressing statements that are “demeaning, degrading, and unprofessional” that “may cause harm” to the specific people the statements are directed at and to the community at large. In other words, it is not the courts but the bureaucrats who make those judgements. All the courts do, they argue, is make sure the bureaucrats have the authority to regulate the professionals in their speech in the “public interest.”

“Charter values” then is a mechanism whereby the courts can put a governor on those who take their Charter-protected rights too seriously. We all know that there are no absolute rights to do whatever we want. Freedom of expression must be limited. For example, inciting a mob to rip someone from their house and hang them on a tree is not Charter-protected expression. It is a crime.

The problem with the courts’ use of “Charter values” is that we are left with the dictates of bureaucratic regulators who take it upon themselves to define “public interest” and “Charter values” in a way that defies common sense. Reading the Ontario Divisional Court’s decision, one cannot but be struck by the thought that the bureaucrats that run the College of Psychologists of Ontario are of the view that regulating the profession requires them to ensure that no one is offended by the personal opinions of Dr. Peterson.

What is also obvious is that these bureaucrats, and by extension the Ontario Divisional Court, are particularly bothered by Peterson’s sarcastic rhetoric. Peterson’s social media comments were referred to show the “reasonableness” of the bureaucratic demand that he undergoes remedial training in social media. Consider the exhibits:

Peterson responded to two people concerned about over-population with, “You’re free to leave at any point.”

On Joe Rogan’s podcast he said a client’s complaint was a “pack of lies” and that air pollution causing the death of children, “it’s just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyways.”

He called Prime Minister Trudeau’s friend Gerald Butts a “prik.”

He called Ottawa city councillor Catherine McKenney, who uses they/them pronouns, an “appalling self-righteous moralizing thing.”

When trans man Elliot Page said he was “proud” to introduce a trans TV character, Peterson tweeted, “Remember when pride was a sin? And Ellen Page just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician.”

When Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition cover had a plus-sized model, Peterson tweeted, “Sorry. Not Beautiful. And no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that.”

Well, it seems that the “authoritarian tolerance” of the college bureaucrats, backed by the Divisional Court of Ontario, are indeed out to change Dr. Peterson’s mind that his expression was not in the public interest and certainly not worthy of a member of the psychological fraternity. He violated the judicial construct of “Charter values.”

You may find Peterson’s sarcasm over the top. You may find it spot on. The question is, “Should professional regulators, and the courts, weigh in on our public musings on social media and remove our professional status for sarcasm?” If you think so, be prepared, for you may well be next.

The Court bell tolls.

Therefore, send not to know

For whom the bell tolls,

It tolls for thee.


Barry W. Bussey, Ph.D., is president and CEO of First Freedoms Foundation.

Source: Epoch Times

[Ewan]

To stick to the topic, the following might be of interest. As a Canadian citizen, who has seen the enormous "woke" assault on our rights and freedoms in this country, I am deeply concerned. (...think of the truckers' freedom convoy awhile back, and how it got twisted into terrorism, mysogeny, frozen bank accounts and so forth. Even the last surviving minister, responsible for co-authoring the Canadian Charter of Rights was told some time ago by the courts that he was mistaken in its interpretation...) Enough said, I sourced this article of that former ministers blog, Brian Peckford42, in my opinion, as a freedom loving Canadian, it is spot on.



For Whom The Bell Tolls: Jordan Peterson And Us All !
AUGUST 26, 2023 / BRIANPECKFORD
By Barry Bussey

John Donne’s poem, “For Whom the Bell Tolls” is a fitting analogy for what has occurred to Dr. Jordan Peterson. Indeed, it is a warning to every citizen across the land. I remember still the funeral church bells at my boyhood home in Newfoundland. As Donne so well expressed it,

Each man’s death diminishes me,

For I am involved in mankind

Therefore, send not to knowFor whom the bell tolls,

It tolls for thee.

Each bell that tolls reminds us of our own mortality. We are one. As it goes for one it goes for us all.



Stunningly put, thank you!

[Pris]

.

To stick to the topic, the following might be of interest. As a Canadian citizen, who has seen the enormous "woke" assault on our rights and freedoms in this country, I am deeply concerned. (...think of the truckers' freedom convoy awhile back, and how it got twisted into terrorism, mysogeny, frozen bank accounts and so forth. Even the last surviving minister, responsible for co-authoring the Canadian Charter of Rights was told some time ago by the courts that he was mistaken in its interpretation...) Enough said, I sourced this article of that former ministers blog, Brian Peckford42, in my opinion, as a freedom loving Canadian, it is spot on.



For Whom The Bell Tolls: Jordan Peterson And Us All !
AUGUST 26, 2023 / BRIANPECKFORD
By Barry Bussey

John Donne’s poem, “For Whom the Bell Tolls” is a fitting analogy for what has occurred to Dr. Jordan Peterson. Indeed, it is a warning to every citizen across the land. I remember still the funeral church bells at my boyhood home in Newfoundland. As Donne so well expressed it,

Each man’s death diminishes me,

For I am involved in mankind

Therefore, send not to knowFor whom the bell tolls,

It tolls for thee.

Each bell that tolls reminds us of our own mortality. We are one. As it goes for one it goes for us all.

Dr. Peterson’s loss in his bid for freedom of expression as a licensed psychologist is a loss for each of us. As it goes for him, so it goes for us. We are one.

At some point, Canadians must wake up to the reality that our courts are no longer concerned with the protection of Charter rights. It is now exceedingly evident that the myopic focus of our legal authorities is the protection of the administrative state. The bureaucrats increasingly rule us in our day to day living, as they tell us what we can say and not say, think and not think. With every court case they gain the upper hand in the new world of judicial fiction called “Charter values” all for our own good in the “public interest.”

The term “Charter values” is not found anywhere in our Constitution. It is a judicial creation. Judges in the Peterson case were afraid of the absolute right of freedom of expression exercised by this man of influence. His expression was offensive because, in their view, it violated “Charter values”—not “Charter rights,” but “values.”

The courts, and their defenders of this legal “values” construct, argue that they are not making any judgement on Peterson’s expression. Instead, they are allowing the bureaucratic regulators of the psychology profession to do their job in ensuring that psychologists are not involved in expressing statements that are “demeaning, degrading, and unprofessional” that “may cause harm” to the specific people the statements are directed at and to the community at large. In other words, it is not the courts but the bureaucrats who make those judgements. All the courts do, they argue, is make sure the bureaucrats have the authority to regulate the professionals in their speech in the “public interest.”

“Charter values” then is a mechanism whereby the courts can put a governor on those who take their Charter-protected rights too seriously. We all know that there are no absolute rights to do whatever we want. Freedom of expression must be limited. For example, inciting a mob to rip someone from their house and hang them on a tree is not Charter-protected expression. It is a crime.

The problem with the courts’ use of “Charter values” is that we are left with the dictates of bureaucratic regulators who take it upon themselves to define “public interest” and “Charter values” in a way that defies common sense. Reading the Ontario Divisional Court’s decision, one cannot but be struck by the thought that the bureaucrats that run the College of Psychologists of Ontario are of the view that regulating the profession requires them to ensure that no one is offended by the personal opinions of Dr. Peterson.

What is also obvious is that these bureaucrats, and by extension the Ontario Divisional Court, are particularly bothered by Peterson’s sarcastic rhetoric. Peterson’s social media comments were referred to show the “reasonableness” of the bureaucratic demand that he undergoes remedial training in social media. Consider the exhibits:

Peterson responded to two people concerned about over-population with, “You’re free to leave at any point.”

On Joe Rogan’s podcast he said a client’s complaint was a “pack of lies” and that air pollution causing the death of children, “it’s just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyways.”

He called Prime Minister Trudeau’s friend Gerald Butts a “prik.”

He called Ottawa city councillor Catherine McKenney, who uses they/them pronouns, an “appalling self-righteous moralizing thing.”

When trans man Elliot Page said he was “proud” to introduce a trans TV character, Peterson tweeted, “Remember when pride was a sin? And Ellen Page just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician.”

When Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition cover had a plus-sized model, Peterson tweeted, “Sorry. Not Beautiful. And no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that.”

Well, it seems that the “authoritarian tolerance” of the college bureaucrats, backed by the Divisional Court of Ontario, are indeed out to change Dr. Peterson’s mind that his expression was not in the public interest and certainly not worthy of a member of the psychological fraternity. He violated the judicial construct of “Charter values.”

You may find Peterson’s sarcasm over the top. You may find it spot on. The question is, “Should professional regulators, and the courts, weigh in on our public musings on social media and remove our professional status for sarcasm?” If you think so, be prepared, for you may well be next.

The Court bell tolls.

Therefore, send not to know

For whom the bell tolls,

It tolls for thee.


Barry W. Bussey, Ph.D., is president and CEO of First Freedoms Foundation.

Source: Epoch Times


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The last word?! Tags for this thread: Censorship, Freedom of Speech, Political Opinion, Tyranny, Woke Culture, and Genocidal Progression.

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The last word?! Tags for this thread: Censorship, Freedom of Speech, Political Opinion, Tyranny, Woke Culture, and Genocidal Progression.


Yes, those are the tags for this thread -- except for Genocidal Progression. I came up with those tags off the top of my head with regard to what Jordan Peterson was discussing in his interview. It was what he voiced publicly about "woke culture" and Trudeau -- the truth as he sees it -- that got him into trouble. He doesn't buy the BS narrative the globalists are trying to shove down our throats and he isn't afraid to say so. Jordan also talked about how he thinks the "climate change" fear-mongering narrative is basically concocted by tyrants to terrorize the population. Right into everyone's face, he says it. Finally, we Canadians have someone with a strong voice who is respected and well known and not afraid to speak publicly on the "forbidden" fundamental issues that affect our lives the most.

How do we fight back? We need a population that is awake and aware. We need a population that questions things, thinks things through and speaks out. We need a population that's smart.



"... we're stupid and we'll die."

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What lesson can we learn from Pris?

Don't Be Stupid.

[thepainterdoug]

Throwing this up here. Not sure it has been posted. laughable!


By THOMAS GALLATIN
MORE BY THIS AUTHOR

Last week, world-renowned psychologist Dr. Jordan Peterson was ordered by Canada’s Ontario Superior Court of Justice Divisional Court to undergo social media sensitivity training. As you may imagine, he took that well.

The case was brought against Peterson by the College of Psychologists of Ontario over claims that his public comments made on social media were “degrading, demeaning and unprofessional,” and furthermore posed “moderate risks of harm to the public.”

And what were these supposed “moderate risks of harm”? Well, the college claimed that Peterson was “undermining public trust in the profession of psychology” and his comments “may also raise questions about Dr. Peterson’s ability to appropriately carry out his responsibilities as a registered psychologist.”

The charge against Peterson was not predicated on complaints made by any of his previous patients, nor by any of his students. In fact, his comments were not made when he was acting in any professional capacity. As Peterson’s legal defense team, the Canadian Constitution Foundation (CCF), pointedly observed, all the comments in question were made “off the clock.”

To make matters worse, the comments that Peterson is being raked over the coals for were clearly taken out of context, and half the instances are Peterson sarcastically expressing the nonsense of the claim he’s condemning.

So, what was it that Peterson said? In a nutshell, it amounted to criticism of hard-leftist politics and ideology. For example, Peterson has been widely critical of the climate change narrative, noting that it is anti-human. He has also expressed criticism of Canada’s hard-left Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. And he has repeatedly blasted the “transgender” cult pushing a radical ideology that he notes destroys any genuinely sound clinical psychological approach to helping troubled people. “Remember when pride was a sin?” he asked in one post about it.

For these “word crimes,” Peterson will be required to undergo what is in effect reeducation training — at his own expense — or he risks losing his license.

From a legal standpoint, the Canadian court effectively talked out of both sides of its mouth. On the one hand, it sought to affirm that Peterson had freedom of speech rights to express the opinions he stated. Yet on the other hand, the court claimed, “The order is not disciplinary and does not prevent Dr. Peterson from expressing himself on controversial topics; it has a minimal impact on his right to freedom of expression.”

He either has freedom of speech or he doesn’t. Anything else is disingenuous parsing of the truth.

Following the ruling, Peterson responded on X, “If you think that you have a right to free speech in Canada, you’re delusional.” He then threw down the proverbial gauntlet by warning: “I will make every aspect of this public. And we will see what happens when utter transparency is the rule… Bring it…”

While Peterson will look to appeal the ruling, should that fail and he be subject to this woke reeducation, he promises to document and film every session and post it online for the world to see.

The truth is that Peterson has become one of the biggest thorns in the side of the hard Left. He has regularly and demonstrably exposed the motives behind its twisted ideology, and many hate him for it. This court result is merely the latest example of the long-running smear campaign the radical Left has waged against Peterson ever since he refused to bow to its language policing.

We hope Peterson inspires many more Canadians, Americans, and lovers of Liberty to stand up against the authoritarian Left.

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Throwing this up here. Not sure it has been posted. laughable!


By THOMAS GALLATIN
MORE BY THIS AUTHOR

Last week, world-renowned psychologist Dr. Jordan Peterson was ordered by Canada’s Ontario Superior Court of Justice Divisional Court to undergo social media sensitivity training. As you may imagine, he took that well.

The case was brought against Peterson by the College of Psychologists of Ontario over claims that his public comments made on social media were “degrading, demeaning and unprofessional,” and furthermore posed “moderate risks of harm to the public.”

And what were these supposed “moderate risks of harm”? Well, the college claimed that Peterson was “undermining public trust in the profession of psychology” and his comments “may also raise questions about Dr. Peterson’s ability to appropriately carry out his responsibilities as a registered psychologist.”

The charge against Peterson was not predicated on complaints made by any of his previous patients, nor by any of his students. In fact, his comments were not made when he was acting in any professional capacity. As Peterson’s legal defense team, the Canadian Constitution Foundation (CCF), pointedly observed, all the comments in question were made “off the clock.”

To make matters worse, the comments that Peterson is being raked over the coals for were clearly taken out of context, and half the instances are Peterson sarcastically expressing the nonsense of the claim he’s condemning.

So, what was it that Peterson said? In a nutshell, it amounted to criticism of hard-leftist politics and ideology. For example, Peterson has been widely critical of the climate change narrative, noting that it is anti-human. He has also expressed criticism of Canada’s hard-left Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. And he has repeatedly blasted the “transgender” cult pushing a radical ideology that he notes destroys any genuinely sound clinical psychological approach to helping troubled people. “Remember when pride was a sin?” he asked in one post about it.

For these “word crimes,” Peterson will be required to undergo what is in effect reeducation training — at his own expense — or he risks losing his license.

From a legal standpoint, the Canadian court effectively talked out of both sides of its mouth. On the one hand, it sought to affirm that Peterson had freedom of speech rights to express the opinions he stated. Yet on the other hand, the court claimed, “The order is not disciplinary and does not prevent Dr. Peterson from expressing himself on controversial topics; it has a minimal impact on his right to freedom of expression.”

He either has freedom of speech or he doesn’t. Anything else is disingenuous parsing of the truth.

Following the ruling, Peterson responded on X, “If you think that you have a right to free speech in Canada, you’re delusional.” He then threw down the proverbial gauntlet by warning: “I will make every aspect of this public. And we will see what happens when utter transparency is the rule… Bring it…”

While Peterson will look to appeal the ruling, should that fail and he be subject to this woke reeducation, he promises to document and film every session and post it online for the world to see.

The truth is that Peterson has become one of the biggest thorns in the side of the hard Left. He has regularly and demonstrably exposed the motives behind its twisted ideology, and many hate him for it. This court result is merely the latest example of the long-running smear campaign the radical Left has waged against Peterson ever since he refused to bow to its language policing.

We hope Peterson inspires many more Canadians, Americans, and lovers of Liberty to stand up against the authoritarian Left.


Nope, this has not been posted yet, thank you, pd! Much appreciated! It's exactly on track with this thread.

What's happening in Canada now is straight out of "1984".

They're hypocrites! It's funny for sure, how they claim that Dr. Jordan Peterson's public comments are “degrading, demeaning and unprofessional,” and furthermore posed “moderate risks of harm to the public.” They definitely do not want people to listen to Dr. Peterson. The fact is this is their attempt to stifle and humiliate him in order to warn other psychologists and the rest of us who see what's going on not to "step out of line" and dare to say what we think.

Dr. Peterson speaking "off the clock" about what he thinks is wonderful. More importantly, if I were to have a psychologist give me advice "on the clock", I would want one who tells the truth exactly like Jordan does. I'd venture to say that most psychological problems people face today is EXACTLY the result of an undermined, morally corrupted, broken down society pushing Marxist ideology on everyone which is intended to harm us all. The ludicrousness of their argument against Dr. Peterson is astonishing to behold. Worse yet, THEY KNOW WE KNOW. This display is meant to break us and beat us all down into submission.

The great part is the globalist's playbook is backfiring in the same way they attack Trump. All it's doing is waking up more and more people. And, because of this, the people are now also refusing to be beaten down thanks to men like Dr. Jordan Peterson and President Donald J. Trump. They are examples of bold resistance, standing strong and fighting back.

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JP attempts to "re-educate" Dr. Jordan Peterson. What does Dr. Peterson have to say about it? Did JP succeed? Seriously hilarious! :lol:


How Jordan Peterson’s Reeducation Training Will Go

https://rumble.com/v3ff3ge-how-jordan-petersons-reeducation-training-will-go.html
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Here, JP talks about how great it is that Dr. Jordan Peterson is standing up and fighting for his right to freedom of speech. Jordan, being threatened with having his license removed if he doesn't go through with "re-education" treatment for saying things contrary to the globalist narrative... decided it would be best to make it entirely public and record the process -- a three year process (unless they decide to back off). JP is certain Jordan isn't willing to do the "re-education" (that he has to pay for out of his own pocket) because he really needs his license. This is about standing up and being a voice for all of us against a tyrannical government -- a government using their weapon of "wokism" to increasingly force us all to give up our rights and freedom in favor of their radical (global) agenda to rule over us that nobody, apparently, is allowed to question.


They’re Messing With the Wrong Guy

https://rumble.com/v3ettll-theyre-messing-with-the-wrong-guy.html
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[ExomatrixTV]

Another mod note from Bill:

As the title accurately states, this thread is about the Canadian government's Court Decision to Take Away His (Peterson's) Freedom of Speech. (Take a look above! :))

As I reminded readers yesterday, there's a separate thread about Peterson himself (Jordan Peterson Update (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109903-Jordan-Peterson-Update)), in the Personalities in the Alternative Media (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?135-Personalities-in-the-Alternative-Media) section. His jacket, diet, communication style, and anything else about him pesonally can be discussed there.

This thread is about censorship. The mods don't usually block members from posting on specific threads, but (just a little ironically!) we're nearing the point where we really might have to deploy that here.

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Internet Censorship: So it continues... (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-continues...)

[Vangelo]

Another mod note from Bill:

As the title accurately states, this thread is about the Canadian government's Court Decision to Take Away His (Peterson's) Freedom of Speech. (Take a look above! :))

As I reminded readers yesterday, there's a separate thread about Peterson himself (Jordan Peterson Update (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109903-Jordan-Peterson-Update)), in the Personalities in the Alternative Media (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?135-Personalities-in-the-Alternative-Media) section. His jacket, diet, communication style, and anything else about him pesonally can be discussed there.

This thread is about censorship. The mods don't usually block members from posting on specific threads, but (just a little ironically!) we're nearing the point where we really might have to deploy that here.

:focus:


Internet Censorship: So it continues... (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-continues...)

Is your point that any attempt to separate the discussion in this way is censorship...(i.e. there's a separate thread about Peterson himself (Jordan Peterson Update), in the Personalities in the Alternative Media section. His jacket, diet, communication style, and anything else about him pesonally can be discussed there.)?

If so, I have to disagree with you.

Or is your issue the threat of banning someone from a specific thread (i.e. The mods don't usually block members from posting on specific threads, but (just a little ironically!) we're nearing the point where we really might have to deploy that here.)?

[ExomatrixTV]

Another mod note from Bill:

As the title accurately states, this thread is about the Canadian government's Court Decision to Take Away His (Peterson's) Freedom of Speech. (Take a look above! :))

As I reminded readers yesterday, there's a separate thread about Peterson himself (Jordan Peterson Update (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109903-Jordan-Peterson-Update)), in the Personalities in the Alternative Media (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?135-Personalities-in-the-Alternative-Media) section. His jacket, diet, communication style, and anything else about him pesonally can be discussed there.

This thread is about censorship. The mods don't usually block members from posting on specific threads, but (just a little ironically!) we're nearing the point where we really might have to deploy that here.

:focus:



Internet Censorship: So it continues... (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-continues...)


Is your point that any attempt to separate the discussion in this way is censorship...(i.e. there's a separate thread about Peterson himself (Jordan Peterson Update), in the Personalities in the Alternative Media section. His jacket, diet, communication style, and anything else about him pesonally can be discussed there.)?

If so, I have to disagree with you.

Or is your issue the threat of banning someone from a specific thread (i.e. The mods don't usually block members from posting on specific threads, but (just a little ironically!) we're nearing the point where we really might have to deploy that here.)?


Nope, just the overall topic is: censorship (not related to any P.A. admin/moderator mod-work that may or may not being perceived as "censor efforts" that actually are just moderators choices based upon their well intended managing the forum a certain way for clarity & efficient mundane reasons that are 100% transparent unlike big social media platforms.

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Entirely great interview with Jordan Peterson. For the segment related to court decision to take away Jordan Peterson's freedom of speech: 19:40 - 24:50




Piers Morgan vs Jordan Peterson | The Full Interview #2

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Piers Morgan Uncensored welcomes back clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson a year on from his previous appearance for an hour-long interview in which the pair discuss Justin Trudeau, 'micro-cults' round figures like Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate, the allegations against Russell Brand and the court of public opinion, the problems with social media and much, much more.

Towards the end of this powerful interview Jordan becomes emotional as Piers asks him what the best and worst parts of being Jordan Peterson are. He opens up about how grateful he is for his fortunes - but also highlights some of the pressures and difficulties that come with his job of being such an influential public figure.

Link to post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109903-Jordan-Peterson-Update&p=1580009&viewfull=1#post1580009

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I was wondering when Peterson and his fight against Canadian Deep State censorship would come back into the spotlight. Reposting here! :thumbsup:

BOOM!! :fire:




Jordan Peterson back to his eloquent best here in a piece published in the National Post, January 17th.

This could get more interesting still, I think, in the passage of time: ringside seats :muscle:

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Jordan Peterson: Bureaucrats will rue the day they tried to shut me up
The petty tyrants at the College of Psychologists of Ontario have no right to force me into re-education

Jordan Peterson
Published Jan 17, 2024

Source: National Post (https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-bureaucrats-will-rue-the-day-they-tried-to-shut-me-up/wcm/fbe2d470-d7e3-402b-ac9d-13a7a83bf262/amp/)

In November 2022, the administrative board that regulates the conduct of psychologists (and much more than that, it turns out) decided that my political views were a disgrace to my profession, that of clinical psychologist. I was therefore sentenced by that board, the Ontario College of Psychologists, to a bout of mandatory re-education, of indeterminate duration, at my expense, with my learning not evaluated by any standard method but subject to the opinion of those charged with, profiting by and exploiting my forced studentship. I took those decision-makers forthwith to court, and lost. The decision of the Ontario College of Psychologists was upheld. I then appealed, to a higher court. On January 16, 2024, that appeal was rejected. There were no reasons provided.

This means that my legal options have been exhausted. Thus, I face two choices. I can comply, when the College goes ahead with its determination to require my re-education, dutifully attend whatever bloody classes their DEI-enthusiast “social media experts” (whatever those are) determine to inflict upon, confess the sins of my classic liberal/conservative or even Judeo-Christian political, philosophical and theological commitments, repent and silence myself — or even become a standard-bearer for the faux-compassionate woke cause, at least publicly. Alternatively, I can tell my would-be masters to go directly to the hell they are so rapidly gathering around themselves and everyone else, lose my right to practice or even to describe myself as a psychologist, and suffer the consequences on the reputation front:

“Canadian psychologist Jordan B Peterson, disgrace to his profession, forfeits his formal licence, in consequence of his crimes.”

And what exactly were those crimes? — because there’s the rub or, at least, one of them. This is where the reader should pay careful attention, Canadian or otherwise, because this is what lies ahead in the West, given the course our leaders and their still-blind and deaf followers are charting. It should be hard for anyone considering this situation to believe that I am playing straight with the facts, if they have any of their own opinions or values whatsoever — because if what I have done and said constitutes the equivalent of a professional crime, you can be sure that your own head is full of like transgressions, regardless of your political stance, and your own tongue therefore likely to spill the beans.


I criticized three Canadian political leaders: a councilwoman in Canada’s capital, Ottawa, for what I regarded and still regard as her disgraceful behavior during the Canadian Trucker Convoy; Justin Trudeau’s former principal secretary, Gerald Butts, a man who resigned from one of the highest positions within the office of the former amidst a scandal that had enveloped the teflon-coated Liberal administration; and the woke poster boy and shining narcissist himself, Canada’s Prime Minister, a man who has done more to destroy my country than anyone else, in reality and reputation, nationally and internationally (and that includes his father, who was no shirker in that regard).

I pointed out the shortcomings of the idiot costly self-aggrandizing virtue-signaling demoralizing lie of the power-mad climate apocalypse-mongers — that on Joe Rogan’s podcast, the entire three-plus-hour transcript of which (!) was submitted to my College as evidence of my disgraceful conduct.

I voiced my objections to the politically-correct insistence that morbid obesity be regarded as the equivalent to the highest standards of athletic beauty, and I took a certain Hollywood actress or actor to task because that same person (oh tortuous grammatical niceties) used its platform to parade the advantages of double mastectomies when performed on the bodies of perfectly healthy young women.


I regret none of these actions. I would say exactly the same things again. Furthermore, I believe that time has been kind to my decisions: the reality of the idiocy that I pointed to then, whose reality was then denied by most, has become something increasingly apparent to an increasingly majority of people in the interim.

I should point out, too, that these crimes were reported on the publicly accessible Ontario College of Psychologist website informer page not by anyone who had ever been a beneficiary of my professional services, or any people that knew them, or any of the people directly criticized, or by anyone who knew them, or even (in the main) by citizens of Ontario, my home province, or Canada. They were instead brought to the attention of the “authorities” by activists in other countries, many of whom also lied in writing, claiming that they were in fact clients of mine. About a dozen of such people reported me — this in contrast, by the way, to the millions or now even tens of millions of people who have found the work I have done and the stances I have taken of clear psychological benefit, and who have said so, buying my books, watching my lectures and even directly informing the College of their favorable judgment.

What does this all mean for me? Frankly, very little, practically speaking. I have options, in my fortunate and privileged position. I am no longer financially dependent on my practice, which I had to fold up in 2017, in the wake of the first scandals that emerged around me. I am independently wealthy. I am also not dependent even on my formal status as a psychologist. This makes me very unlike my colleagues and fellow professionals, for whom threat to their licence is an intolerable threat to livelihood, reputation and family stability, financial and otherwise. I could even move to the U.S., say — to one of the still-free states — and join my daughter, who has done so for equally political reasons, and as an increasing number of Canadians have determined to do.

By far the easiest thing for me to do personally, therefore, is to say to the College “do your worst, you petty tyrants,” and let the cards fall where they will. I could even report, in detail, publicly (very publicly) on the re-education process, as I most certainly will do, if I decide to go that route. I could take the inevitable reputational hit mentioned previously, and continue going about my happy and profitable business. I have positioned myself very carefully, knowing all this was coming, accepting its inevitability, so that I wasn’t even particularly upset when the news came down. My personal security and desires, however, are not the point, and they haven’t been, right from the beginning. Here’s the point:

Canadians, mark my words: Your much-vaunted Charter of Rights isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, as one of its last remaining signatories has been continually striving to indicate. Your right to free speech is essentially non-existent, as evidenced by the court decisions we are now considering. You have almost no real rights to property. Your rights to mobility can be taken away without consequence at any moment, as they were very recently. You can all-too-easily become the indentured servant of anyone you dare to hire. Your tax load is going to continue to increase, and rapidly. Your economy is predicted to be the worst performing of any developing country for the next three decades — and that failure will be trumpeted, positively, as the “degrowth” necessary to save the planet (thus so conveniently providing those who, like Trudeau, have no interest in monetary policy to parade their ignorance and Machiavellian idiocy as a positive virtue: “I’m saving the planet” is a get-out-of jail free card for any and all crimes and justification for a grab for power the likes of which we have never seen.

The failure of my appeal means that your professionals — engineers, physicians, lawyers and teachers, among others — are now required by administrative fiat to conceal what they really think and believe (which is precisely the truth you most truly need from them) lest they run afoul of the administrative minions who have now been granted full sway over their tongues and pens.

The Supreme Court has already determined this: hence the failure of my appeal. Regulatory boards in Canada are not required to apply the law correctly, as law professor Dr. Bruce Pardy recently pointed out. Furthermore, they can infringe charter rights — and those are your most fundamental rights — if they do so “proportionately.” And what does “proportionately” mean, practically speaking? It means any way they choose, unless you have the courage, time and resources to object. Fighting these pathetic demons has already cost me weeks of work and close to a million dollars. Are you, fellow Canadian professionals, feeling up to that task? I thought not — and have seen very little evidence of courage or ability from you on that front. So we can just imagine where that will leave the typical Canadian, who dares to speak his or her mind. Finally, and furthermore: the infringement on your rights — all your rights — can and will be justified by the courts if the action that does so promotes “charter values” guaranteed and promoted nowhere in the fundamental legal structure that makes up Canada — and those have become precisely the diversity, equity, inclusivity, group-rights conceptualization of humanity and vengeful quasi-Marxist but worse victim-victimizer narrative that all goes to make up the progressive ideals of the carnivorous sheep who now rule this sad and blind land.

Are you listening, Canadians? If you refuse to abide by rules so radically leftist that they would have been and were in fact eschewed until recently by the outright socialist Canadian New Democratic Party your opinions have now become outright illegal. Present them, even think about them, at your peril. And if you think I’m exaggerating, or beating my own drum, for reasons of my own, ask yourself this: what in the world is in it for me, in so doing? I could at any moment and so easily end my association with my increasingly mad profession, as I have the universities who so recently showed their disgrace in Washington, DC (I’m talking about you, presidents of MIT, Harvard and UPenn), and go about my perfectly functional life, without the burden of scrapping with idiots — without even the necessity of facing the full reality of the political idiocy and willful blindness that now makes up the Canadian scene.

But I think I’ll fight a little longer. Bring it on, you bloody pikers: take your next steps, bureaucrats: write me, and tell me how exactly we are to conduct my re-education. I’ll play along, find out exactly what you will do, now that you’ve been emboldened to do whatever it is that the darkest resentful demons lurking in your evil little low-level administrative hearts most truly desire, even to your own detriment. I’ll see how burdensome playing your pathetic game becomes, and I will publicize every single bit of it. And, if I get tired of it, which seems highly likely, I’ll hand over the bloody licence I am increasingly embarrassed in any case to possess and let you continue journeying oh-so-morally to the dismal, fearful, pessimistic, moralizing, petty, butter-won’t-melt in our mouths hellish straits that you envision as the paradise best fit for your fellow citizens, yourselves and your children.


You have won the battle, minions of the deep state, faceless-for-now but not for long bureaucrat-authoritarians, but you haven’t won the war. And here is a warning, too, as is only fair: So far I have been constrained in my response to your pushing and prodding and overlord-nagging by the requirement not to compromise my efforts on the legal side. But that’s all over with, now, isn’t it? So there are no holds barred, as far as I am concerned. And it may be that you have nothing better to do with your nasty narrowly-circumscribed micromanaging bodies and souls than to cause me trouble. But we’re going to perform that dance on the international stage, with all that light shining on your machinations, and you may well come to rue the day you attempted to take possession of my tongue.

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Savage and beautiful, and may God protect this man because seriously, if I were him I would not be underestimating these people, or as he calls them (and correctly), demons. I can't imagine for one minute they'd allow Peterson to put their "re-education program" under the spotlight for the whole world to see. A show-trial of this nature would be extremely revealing of how truly demented it is, and would prove extremely damaging to their profession, the whole system, and Canada in general.

Their only alternative would be to back down, but I can't see them doing that. So the question is, what lengths will they resort to to keep Peterson silent, or better still, rid themselves of this pest once and for all? That's why I say, now more than ever, God protect this man.

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[Flash]

Recently, in Quebec, a medical doctor has had his license suspended for 3 months following a complaint by a biological female he had as patient who wanted to be called by a man’s name and by he, which the doctor refused to do, not to mix treatments for females needed by this wannabe man.

This is madness, when a doctor having , or in his case transfering a file in the future, cannot indicate the biological make up of the indidual for treatment.

In French:
Je vous recommande cet article de La Presse : Radié trois mois pour avoir mégenré un patient trans

Un médecin de Montréal vient de se voir imposer une période de radiation de trois mois pour avoir adopté « une attitude inappropriée et irrespectueuse » envers un patient trans qui le consultait pour obtenir un traitement hormonal. Le Dr Raymond Brière a répété au patient qu’il était biologiquement une femme « en dépit des demandes explicites de ce dernier de le désigner en utilisant le genre masculin ».


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I was wondering when Peterson and his fight against Canadian Deep State censorship would come back into the spotlight. Reposting here! :thumbsup:

BOOM!! :fire:




Jordan Peterson back to his eloquent best here in a piece published in the National Post, January 17th.

This could get more interesting still, I think, in the passage of time: ringside seats :muscle:

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Jordan Peterson: Bureaucrats will rue the day they tried to shut me up
The petty tyrants at the College of Psychologists of Ontario have no right to force me into re-education

Jordan Peterson
Published Jan 17, 2024

Source: National Post (https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-bureaucrats-will-rue-the-day-they-tried-to-shut-me-up/wcm/fbe2d470-d7e3-402b-ac9d-13a7a83bf262/amp/)

In November 2022, the administrative board that regulates the conduct of psychologists (and much more than that, it turns out) decided that my political views were a disgrace to my profession, that of clinical psychologist. I was therefore sentenced by that board, the Ontario College of Psychologists, to a bout of mandatory re-education, of indeterminate duration, at my expense, with my learning not evaluated by any standard method but subject to the opinion of those charged with, profiting by and exploiting my forced studentship. I took those decision-makers forthwith to court, and lost. The decision of the Ontario College of Psychologists was upheld. I then appealed, to a higher court. On January 16, 2024, that appeal was rejected. There were no reasons provided.

This means that my legal options have been exhausted. Thus, I face two choices. I can comply, when the College goes ahead with its determination to require my re-education, dutifully attend whatever bloody classes their DEI-enthusiast “social media experts” (whatever those are) determine to inflict upon, confess the sins of my classic liberal/conservative or even Judeo-Christian political, philosophical and theological commitments, repent and silence myself — or even become a standard-bearer for the faux-compassionate woke cause, at least publicly. Alternatively, I can tell my would-be masters to go directly to the hell they are so rapidly gathering around themselves and everyone else, lose my right to practice or even to describe myself as a psychologist, and suffer the consequences on the reputation front:

“Canadian psychologist Jordan B Peterson, disgrace to his profession, forfeits his formal licence, in consequence of his crimes.”

And what exactly were those crimes? — because there’s the rub or, at least, one of them. This is where the reader should pay careful attention, Canadian or otherwise, because this is what lies ahead in the West, given the course our leaders and their still-blind and deaf followers are charting. It should be hard for anyone considering this situation to believe that I am playing straight with the facts, if they have any of their own opinions or values whatsoever — because if what I have done and said constitutes the equivalent of a professional crime, you can be sure that your own head is full of like transgressions, regardless of your political stance, and your own tongue therefore likely to spill the beans.


I criticized three Canadian political leaders: a councilwoman in Canada’s capital, Ottawa, for what I regarded and still regard as her disgraceful behavior during the Canadian Trucker Convoy; Justin Trudeau’s former principal secretary, Gerald Butts, a man who resigned from one of the highest positions within the office of the former amidst a scandal that had enveloped the teflon-coated Liberal administration; and the woke poster boy and shining narcissist himself, Canada’s Prime Minister, a man who has done more to destroy my country than anyone else, in reality and reputation, nationally and internationally (and that includes his father, who was no shirker in that regard).

I pointed out the shortcomings of the idiot costly self-aggrandizing virtue-signaling demoralizing lie of the power-mad climate apocalypse-mongers — that on Joe Rogan’s podcast, the entire three-plus-hour transcript of which (!) was submitted to my College as evidence of my disgraceful conduct.

I voiced my objections to the politically-correct insistence that morbid obesity be regarded as the equivalent to the highest standards of athletic beauty, and I took a certain Hollywood actress or actor to task because that same person (oh tortuous grammatical niceties) used its platform to parade the advantages of double mastectomies when performed on the bodies of perfectly healthy young women.


I regret none of these actions. I would say exactly the same things again. Furthermore, I believe that time has been kind to my decisions: the reality of the idiocy that I pointed to then, whose reality was then denied by most, has become something increasingly apparent to an increasingly majority of people in the interim.

I should point out, too, that these crimes were reported on the publicly accessible Ontario College of Psychologist website informer page not by anyone who had ever been a beneficiary of my professional services, or any people that knew them, or any of the people directly criticized, or by anyone who knew them, or even (in the main) by citizens of Ontario, my home province, or Canada. They were instead brought to the attention of the “authorities” by activists in other countries, many of whom also lied in writing, claiming that they were in fact clients of mine. About a dozen of such people reported me — this in contrast, by the way, to the millions or now even tens of millions of people who have found the work I have done and the stances I have taken of clear psychological benefit, and who have said so, buying my books, watching my lectures and even directly informing the College of their favorable judgment.

What does this all mean for me? Frankly, very little, practically speaking. I have options, in my fortunate and privileged position. I am no longer financially dependent on my practice, which I had to fold up in 2017, in the wake of the first scandals that emerged around me. I am independently wealthy. I am also not dependent even on my formal status as a psychologist. This makes me very unlike my colleagues and fellow professionals, for whom threat to their licence is an intolerable threat to livelihood, reputation and family stability, financial and otherwise. I could even move to the U.S., say — to one of the still-free states — and join my daughter, who has done so for equally political reasons, and as an increasing number of Canadians have determined to do.

By far the easiest thing for me to do personally, therefore, is to say to the College “do your worst, you petty tyrants,” and let the cards fall where they will. I could even report, in detail, publicly (very publicly) on the re-education process, as I most certainly will do, if I decide to go that route. I could take the inevitable reputational hit mentioned previously, and continue going about my happy and profitable business. I have positioned myself very carefully, knowing all this was coming, accepting its inevitability, so that I wasn’t even particularly upset when the news came down. My personal security and desires, however, are not the point, and they haven’t been, right from the beginning. Here’s the point:

Canadians, mark my words: Your much-vaunted Charter of Rights isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, as one of its last remaining signatories has been continually striving to indicate. Your right to free speech is essentially non-existent, as evidenced by the court decisions we are now considering. You have almost no real rights to property. Your rights to mobility can be taken away without consequence at any moment, as they were very recently. You can all-too-easily become the indentured servant of anyone you dare to hire. Your tax load is going to continue to increase, and rapidly. Your economy is predicted to be the worst performing of any developing country for the next three decades — and that failure will be trumpeted, positively, as the “degrowth” necessary to save the planet (thus so conveniently providing those who, like Trudeau, have no interest in monetary policy to parade their ignorance and Machiavellian idiocy as a positive virtue: “I’m saving the planet” is a get-out-of jail free card for any and all crimes and justification for a grab for power the likes of which we have never seen.

The failure of my appeal means that your professionals — engineers, physicians, lawyers and teachers, among others — are now required by administrative fiat to conceal what they really think and believe (which is precisely the truth you most truly need from them) lest they run afoul of the administrative minions who have now been granted full sway over their tongues and pens.

The Supreme Court has already determined this: hence the failure of my appeal. Regulatory boards in Canada are not required to apply the law correctly, as law professor Dr. Bruce Pardy recently pointed out. Furthermore, they can infringe charter rights — and those are your most fundamental rights — if they do so “proportionately.” And what does “proportionately” mean, practically speaking? It means any way they choose, unless you have the courage, time and resources to object. Fighting these pathetic demons has already cost me weeks of work and close to a million dollars. Are you, fellow Canadian professionals, feeling up to that task? I thought not — and have seen very little evidence of courage or ability from you on that front. So we can just imagine where that will leave the typical Canadian, who dares to speak his or her mind. Finally, and furthermore: the infringement on your rights — all your rights — can and will be justified by the courts if the action that does so promotes “charter values” guaranteed and promoted nowhere in the fundamental legal structure that makes up Canada — and those have become precisely the diversity, equity, inclusivity, group-rights conceptualization of humanity and vengeful quasi-Marxist but worse victim-victimizer narrative that all goes to make up the progressive ideals of the carnivorous sheep who now rule this sad and blind land.

Are you listening, Canadians? If you refuse to abide by rules so radically leftist that they would have been and were in fact eschewed until recently by the outright socialist Canadian New Democratic Party your opinions have now become outright illegal. Present them, even think about them, at your peril. And if you think I’m exaggerating, or beating my own drum, for reasons of my own, ask yourself this: what in the world is in it for me, in so doing? I could at any moment and so easily end my association with my increasingly mad profession, as I have the universities who so recently showed their disgrace in Washington, DC (I’m talking about you, presidents of MIT, Harvard and UPenn), and go about my perfectly functional life, without the burden of scrapping with idiots — without even the necessity of facing the full reality of the political idiocy and willful blindness that now makes up the Canadian scene.

But I think I’ll fight a little longer. Bring it on, you bloody pikers: take your next steps, bureaucrats: write me, and tell me how exactly we are to conduct my re-education. I’ll play along, find out exactly what you will do, now that you’ve been emboldened to do whatever it is that the darkest resentful demons lurking in your evil little low-level administrative hearts most truly desire, even to your own detriment. I’ll see how burdensome playing your pathetic game becomes, and I will publicize every single bit of it. And, if I get tired of it, which seems highly likely, I’ll hand over the bloody licence I am increasingly embarrassed in any case to possess and let you continue journeying oh-so-morally to the dismal, fearful, pessimistic, moralizing, petty, butter-won’t-melt in our mouths hellish straits that you envision as the paradise best fit for your fellow citizens, yourselves and your children.


You have won the battle, minions of the deep state, faceless-for-now but not for long bureaucrat-authoritarians, but you haven’t won the war. And here is a warning, too, as is only fair: So far I have been constrained in my response to your pushing and prodding and overlord-nagging by the requirement not to compromise my efforts on the legal side. But that’s all over with, now, isn’t it? So there are no holds barred, as far as I am concerned. And it may be that you have nothing better to do with your nasty narrowly-circumscribed micromanaging bodies and souls than to cause me trouble. But we’re going to perform that dance on the international stage, with all that light shining on your machinations, and you may well come to rue the day you attempted to take possession of my tongue.

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Savage and beautiful, and may God protect this man because seriously, if I were him I would not be underestimating these people, or as he calls them (and correctly), demons. I can't imagine for one minute they'd allow Peterson to put their "re-education program" under the spotlight for the whole world to see. A show-trial of this nature would be extremely revealing of how truly demented it is, and would prove extremely damaging to their profession, the whole system, and Canada in general.

Their only alternative would be to back down, but I can't see them doing that. So the question is, what lengths will they resort to to keep Peterson silent, or better still, rid themselves of this pest once and for all? That's why I say, now more than ever, God protect this man.

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[Johnnycomelately]

Recently, in Quebec, a medical doctor has had his license suspended for 3 months following a complaint by a biological female he had as patient who wanted to be called by a man’s name and by he, which the doctor refused to do, not to mix treatments for females needed by this wannabe man.

This is madness, when a doctor having , or in his case transfering a file in the future, cannot indicate the biological make up of the indidual for treatment.
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Hi Flash. Been a fan of you since your return to Avalon, story about your life for your daughter and success in that.

I am on your side about the weirdos and the official kowtowing to the agenda. But I have worked alongside quite a variety of weirdos my whole life, and long ago I just decided to get along with them as best I could, since peace is good.

But this doctor you speak of, did he not have any normal way to indicate biology, like XX vs. XY? If not, then yeah this seems like a circus. If yes, then he was just grandstanding.

Cheers from Edmonton, balmy -23 and calm winds (up from below -30, with north breeze to 16 kliks).

[Vangelo]

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But this doctor you speak of, did he not have any normal way to indicate biology, like XX vs. XY? If not, then yeah this seems like a circus. If yes, then he was just grandstanding.
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The thing that motivated Peterson to take a stand was the concept of compelled speech i.e. laws that forced him to say specific things and at the same time prohibited him from saying other things. Peterson actually had no problem with calling people by their preferred pronoun, But he rejected, and fought against, the institution of laws that required him to do so. It seems to me, this doctor was not grandstanding but instead holding the same principled position as Peterson.

[truthseek]

Recently, in Quebec, a medical doctor has had his license suspended for 3 months following a complaint by a biological female he had as patient who wanted to be called by a man’s name and by he, which the doctor refused to do, not to mix treatments for females needed by this wannabe man.

This is madness, when a doctor having , or in his case transfering a file in the future, cannot indicate the biological make up of the indidual for treatment.
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Hi Flash. Been a fan of you since your return to Avalon, story about your life for your daughter and success in that.

I am on your side about the weirdos and the official kowtowing to the agenda. But I have worked alongside quite a variety of weirdos my whole life, and long ago I just decided to get along with them as best I could, since peace is good.

But this doctor you speak of, did he not have any normal way to indicate biology, like XX vs. XY? If not, then yeah this seems like a circus. If yes, then he was just grandstanding.

Cheers from Edmonton, balmy -23 and calm winds (up from below -30, with north breeze to 16 kliks).



I think the real tragedy here (...without knowing the whole story, I apologize in advance) is that in a country like Canada, where there is an unacceptable waiting list by many citizens for a General Practitioner, one should ask exactly how many patients are without essential medical treatment for 3 months because of this narcisistic, foolish woke nonsense? :facepalm:

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The thing that motivated Peterson to take a stand was the concept of compelled speech i.e. laws that forced him to say specific things and at the same time prohibited him from saying other things. Peterson actually had no problem with calling people by their preferred pronoun, But he rejected, and fought against, the institution of laws that required him to do so. It seems to me, this doctor was not grandstanding but instead holding the same principled position as Peterson.


I agree. It appears the 'progressive' attempt here by globalists is to upend society by 'gently' steering it, at first, with unwanted yet mild collectivism/Marxist indoctrination. Then, once everyone's 'softened up', pummel everyone with the iron fist of totalitarianism. With Peterson, I think we're being shown the iron fist. They're trying to camouflage it by making it seem like a fair and 'voluntary' process even though they've already judged and defamed Peterson and further threatened him with the removal of his license to practice.

If Peterson wants to play the game of calling people by their 'preferred pronoun', that's up to him. He'll have to live with himself on that one (entertaining someone who may have serious mental/physical issues). I think the point is nobody should be forced to (by the person demanding it OR the government).

We never had this 'gender' problem until very recently. This is manufactured discord, to blur the sexes (the manufactured/steered 'LGBTQ' movement, just like the newly manufactured/steered 'racism' -- all springing up out of nowhere including every other divisive wedge issue that can be weaponized against the public). It's plain as day that the recent creeping discordant collectivism that is being artificially and deliberately injected into society is meant to pave the way to totalitarianism.

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I think the real tragedy here (...without knowing the whole story, I apologize in advance) is that in a country like Canada, where there is an unacceptable waiting list by many citizens for a General Practitioner, one should ask exactly how many patients are without essential medical treatment for 3 months because of this narcisistic, foolish woke nonsense? :facepalm:


Look on the bright side... There are also going to be a lot of people who will NOT die BECAUSE their 'essential medical treatment' -- depending on what it is -- has been delayed (and may be cancelled). Guess who controls the current public "health care" system in Canada?

[Flash]

Recently, in Quebec, a medical doctor has had his license suspended for 3 months following a complaint by a biological female he had as patient who wanted to be called by a man’s name and by he, which the doctor refused to do, not to mix treatments for females needed by this wannabe man.

This is madness, when a doctor having , or in his case transfering a file in the future, cannot indicate the biological make up of the indidual for treatment.
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Hi Flash. Been a fan of you since your return to Avalon, story about your life for your daughter and success in that.

I am on your side about the weirdos and the official kowtowing to the agenda. But I have worked alongside quite a variety of weirdos my whole life, and long ago I just decided to get along with them as best I could, since peace is good.

But this doctor you speak of, did he not have any normal way to indicate biology, like XX vs. XY? If not, then yeah this seems like a circus. If yes, then he was just grandstanding.

Cheers from Edmonton, balmy -23 and calm winds (up from below -30, with north breeze to 16 kliks).

Thank you for being a fan. By the way, my little handicap (language and motricity) daughter who was predicted as not being able to finish primary school, after years of treatment all over North America and a dedicated mom, she became a hard working now doing a Master degree in McGill University (our Canadian Ivy league) and has been invited for potentially a PhD (she is just not sure she would enjoy). Very hard work and dedication with alternate therapies -and taking the good from regular therapies while implementing alternatives as well - does miracles. (I must say that with stress gone on my side, I lost 70 pounds).

As for the doctor, yes he mentions the Xx-XY chromosomes and having to take that into account. The order of md banned him for its lack of empathy / acceptance of the patient psychological needs: being called by HE and a man. This is the upmost language forced on doctors, language jail. Exactly what Peterson is sujected to, now spreading to other fields.

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Sharing here! :candle: :thumbsup:


Jordan Peterson updates us on his legal case, opines about Trudeau and the fate of Canada, plus other ruminations.

39min
"Just because the thing that’s happening to you at the moment presents a problem doesn’t mean it isn’t rife with opportunity"

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