Inverted Lexicon Doublespeak: "The Left"

[Dennis Leahy]

Does it matter that "The Left", in modern discourse, is the opposite of the original definition of the "Left" ideology? I think it does matter, and here's why:

A quick and honest look at the origins of the terms of division between "the Left" and "the Right" is shown in the historic clashes between miners and mine owners. Workers and owners. Labor and management. The workers, the Left, fought against worker exploitation by the owners. The Left fought for decent pay, safe working conditions, the 40-hour work week, the ability to organize/unionize, and against child labor, owing your soul to the company store, being fired without just cause, and union busting - all of which defined the owners' ideology, the Right. "The Right" wasn't about fiscal conservatism and family values, it was about exploitation of labor, and profits. This goes back to the 1800's in the US, when the concept of "owner" was gradually changed to "corporation."

Later, much later, the Left became awakened to human exploitation by the ever-growing military. Now, the exploited were not just confined to the ranks of military workers, the soldiers, but also included the victims of war. I'd say the war in Viet Nam catalyzed the Left's opposition to war and the offensive military.

So, from at least the late 1960's, the Left was defined as being against corporate exploitation of labor, and against war and the war machine. Anti-war and anti-corporation and the recognition that the clash between the Left and the Right was a class war. The Left also started to recognize the environmental destruction by the corporations and started to take up the banner for environmental protection. The Left and the Right were actually opposite ideologies with opposing goals.

The Right started to accuse the Left of being communist or socialist or Marxist, ideologies that oppose capitalism, but in reality we didn't see workers or collectivized workers attempting to actually replace the capitalist system and "control the means of production" (the main tenet of Marxism), but rather fought for better working conditions and better pay within the capitalist system.

In the 1960's and early 1970's, the two political gangs became strongly associated with the class struggle: the Republicans overtly took up the banner of the corporate/owner class, and the Democrats overtly took up the banner of the worker class - more in rhetoric than reality, but it was their declaration. If you weren't rich (owner class) and/or sociopathic with delusions of grandeur, believing that you would support and then become part of the owner class, it would be against your own interests, your family's interests, and your friends and co-workers' interests, and our own environmental interests to align with the Right/Big Business. But, by the mid to late 1970's, the last legislation that was pro-worker, pro-citizen, or pro-environment had been penned and signed into legislation. It wasn't that the Republicans had become so strong, it was that the Democrats beat the old drum and sang the old song, but actually quasi-covertly sided with the owner class - and all the legislation that passed became pro-corporate, pro-war, and corporate environmental destruction became moot.

That was the end of the Left having any influence over domestic and foreign policy in the US. It was the end of the Left. The Democrats continued to wave the banner of the Left, pretending to be the "people's party", but the legislative record shows it was pure bullsh!t. Fast forward a few decades, and the Right has continued to support the corporate/owner class, but embraced "family values" and "fiscal conservatism" because they sure couldn't get massive support from workers if they just overtly represented the owner class. The Democrats are fully pro-corporate and pro-war and represent the owner class, while pretending to be pro-environment and pro-worker.

By calling Democrats "the Left" or "lefties" or "left-leaning", what has really happened is that the actual Left ideology has been snuffed out and replaced by Democrat-ism. Republicans have positioned themselves to appear more centrist in their rhetoric, while gang-raping US citizens, and the Democrats hold the rape victims down until it's their turn.

There is no one of actual Left ideology in power positions in the United States, nor will there be in 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030,... The Democrats represent pseudo-environmentalism by greenwashing, and pretend to support the working class with politically expedient "inclusivity", declarations of victim status, cultural insanity with gender, and lately with mass illegal immigration. Both the Republicans and the Democrats in power support globalism - the Republicans (especially Trump) quasi-covertly and the Democrats overtly. There's only one gigantic Global Corporate Network, and the flapping jaws in Washington DC all support it, even the ones that jump up and down and say they are against globalism. The military/intelligence industrial complex might seem to be Americentric, but all of those giant corporations are nodes within the Global Corporate Network. Supporting war and the MIC furthers the globalist agenda. I'd call the Democrats the rainbow-washed radical Right.

Calling the Democrats the Left isn't just incorrect, lexicon larceny, or disgusting to someone like me that is actually pro-worker class, pro-peace, and pro-environment, it also removes even the concept of the actual Left ideology from existence in governance, now and in the future.

[jaybee]

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Calling the Democrats the Left isn't just incorrect, lexicon larceny, or disgusting to someone like me that is actually pro-worker class, pro-peace, and pro-environment, it also removes even the concept of the actual Left ideology from existence in governance, now and in the future.

thanks for the analysis...


The Common Man/Woman (in Western Nations) got the vote at the beginning of the last century... so (in theory) then had access to law making - this would never do, of course... and the Ruling Class who controlled the money and the institutions and were used to calling the tune set about reining back total control... and here we are around 100 years or less later... they have done it... it took a while but here we are...

Everyone says it and it's true - the labels right and left are meaningless now - it's all been infiltrated and the lines blurred ...

The word Globalism like the word Left isn't satisfactory any more (IMO) and should be termed Global Fascism - there still seem to be broadly two main groups, though, at the moment.... Libertarians + Populists on the one hand - and Neo Fascists + the Billionaire Class on the other, hiding behind the vulnerable and in the West... ethnic minorities - the fascist group have cleverly invented Wokeism and a litany of lies to aid their agenda - their agenda being the same as it always was... before the Common Man/Woman were able to vote and take part in law making....

to control everything and everyone - and maintain their wealth and privilege...

Just some thoughts on the matter after reading the OP.....

:thumbsup:

[grapevine]

Yes it does matter, but only to those of us who remember. The rest of society is bombing along with the globalists and, in another couple of generations (if we’re lucky), memories will be blurred and then our history erased altogether. The warnings of Yuri Bezmenov back in the 1970s spring to mind, but has it really all happened at Russia’s behest? Maybe some of it some of it. . .

And then along came Guy Standing and his presentation about the Precariat (ie. us), which he made again to the Bilderberg Group in 2016. Here I feel a little sympathy for the middle class, who still have no idea that they are about to join us, that the future class structure will be Them and Us

It’s startling that the OP gives the social and economic history of most, Western countries. Everything outlined has happened in the UK in the same timeframe, and still happening now.

As for the Left – the Real Left – where are they all? In the UK pov, the last Leftie was arguably Jeremy Corbyn, taken down by the Jewish sector in the Labour Party. Perhaps if he’d supported Ken Livingstone, etc. he would’ve had more support when the knives were out for him. But he still wasn’t Left in the same way that, for instance, Dennis Skinner was, or Anthony Wedgwood Benn. The nearest we have to the Left today are Clare Daly and Mick Wallace, both MEPs in Northern Ireland, but unfortunately they’re in the minority. It was heartening to hear yesterday that some of the UK Civil Servants are getting wise to the Woke element and remembered belatedly that they are supposed to be strictly non-partisan. Yeah, right . . .

Interesting thread on so many levels. Thanks Dennis :thumbsup:

Edit and correction:
It's been pointed out to me that neither Clare Daly nor Mick Wallace represent Northern Ireland and are both independent politicians in the Republic of Ireland. Clare Daily has been an MEP for the Dublin constituency and Mick Wallace has been an MEP for County Wexford constituency.
Apologies.

[Bill Ryan]

Do also see this thread: :thumbsup:


The "Right-Left" dichotomy: false, simplistic, & manipulative. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111305-The-Right-Left-dichotomy-false-simplistic-manipulative.)

[grapevine]

Do also see this thread: :thumbsup:


The "Right-Left" dichotomy: false, simplistic, & manipulative. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111305-The-Right-Left-dichotomy-false-simplistic-manipulative.)


Sadly yes, but was it always so?

[ExomatrixTV]

Neoliberalism & Neocons hijacked & corrupted the original left-right dichotomy (which was bad from the get-go) to the next level of mass psychological 5GW (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117876-Behind-NATO--s-cognitive-warfare.-Battle-for-your-brain-waged-by-Western-militaries) warfare, making it at least ten times worse!


This technocratic coup d'état (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) happened over decades of planning & infiltrating major key-positions of political power with much help from organizations like: C.F.R. (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=CFR), W.E.F. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum), Bilderbergers (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118736-The-Bilderberg-Group-Meets-in-Washington-DC-June-2022), Trilateral Commission (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Trilateral%20Commission), Committee of 300 (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Committee%20of%20300) etc.

Combined they ARE "The Deep State" serving Agenda2030 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset), NetZero2050 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115447-Climate-Lockdowns-are-Coming--Agenda2030--Predicted-by-Conspiracy-Researchers-), "Global Governance (https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1Gb0000000LHN2EAO)", A.I. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-) run Technocracy (https://Technocracy.news), WEF (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum), WHO (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118331-Global-WHO-Treaty-for-Pandemics-with-Digital-ID-and-Digital-Currency), CBDC (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120026-Biggest-Threat-To-Financial-Freedom-is-CBDC), 5GW (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117876-Behind-NATO--s-cognitive-warfare.-Battle-for-your-brain-waged-by-Western-militaries) etc. etc.

And all of them have minions (posing as "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)") waiting to be of "service" to whoever is the next president of the USA and all of them combined have powerful connections to corrupt, manipulate, deceive, coerce, threaten, blackmail, racketeer in such a way that ANY leader will seek: "the least evil option" to "solve" problems & issues at hand, and when done (choosing the lesser evil) ... claiming >>> "trust the plan" to PACIFY (neutralize) millions of Humanities Resistance, so that the "mass enslavement transition" can go more smoothly >>> which has also ties with the Global Depopulation Agenda (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113012-The-Depopulation-Plan)!


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September 28th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

[thepainterdoug]

Dennis/ I hear you and get it. Today , both side are all liars entangled in a web of blackmail and coercion in order to hold on power. None stand on and live by the principals they espouse . I read that Elizabeth Warren - Pocahontas) came to politics on a reasonable salary, working for the people and now has mega millions. Just one example but how does that happen? its not the money Im against, its her earning it in politics that spells corruption

These ideologies, the left, the right always meant to me, left / kind, compassionate, open minded, anti war, for the average people, while the right always meant, the old guard establishment, big money, war for profit and and closed to new ideas or change

its all off the rails today and barely surviving like an old crypt keeper on its dying last days. The people have been sedated, and tech has figured us all out.
Comfort is addictive and why shouldnt it be? But comfort way past common sense and responsibility is not

I remain 100% behind DJT for this mission as the best possible one to break this deep state strangle hold. I don't need or care about agreement on this. I have said to you once before, I am 100% sure in real time boots on the ground life, you and I would be the best of friends and treat all people the same , equally as we want to be treated.

All the goodness both positions have represented in past days by the left and right have now been dismantled and decimated.
We are in the death throws of a once great country, and a tough captain is needed!
Time to let go of titles and ideals so they can hopefully one day be reset.
thanks and be well
pd

[Vicus]

frog in the pan ...

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[mizo]

Best thing I find is not to give myself a label.

[Dennis Leahy]

My point isn't about me being upset about a political description label that I might identify with being flipped on its head, my point is that the USA's current political reality doesn't actually include "the common man" (citizens, workers, "the people",...) at all. All US politicians, all high office US elected officials, all high-ranking US government appointees serve the owner class. My secondary point is that we are in a class war. I'll insert George Carlin's brilliant, eloquent critique of the class war here, to say it more clearly.

Obviously, this class war is not just within the confines of the USA, the owner class is transnational corporations that want to melt away borders, even if the roots of the Global Corporate Network are Americentric. I just don't know enough about Canada, UK, Australia, NZ, France, ... and other countries' political lexicon (for example, does the Labor/Labour party actually represent the worker class in countries that have such a political party?) to clearly state my observation that the regular common people, the workers and citizens that are not part of the owner class have no real representation in government or governance - only lip service.


Nyvxt1svxso

[Dennis Leahy]

... the labels right and left are meaningless now - it's all been infiltrated and the lines blurred ...

The word Globalism like the word Left isn't satisfactory any more (IMO) and should be termed Global Fascism - there still seem to be broadly two main groups, though, at the moment.... Libertarians + Populists on the one hand - and Neo Fascists + the Billionaire Class on the other, hiding behind the vulnerable and in the West... ethnic minorities - the fascist group have cleverly invented Wokeism and a litany of lies to aid their agenda - their agenda being the same as it always was... before the Common Man/Woman were able to vote and take part in law making....

to control everything and everyone - and maintain their wealth and privilege...

...

Agreed. The owner class hasn't just been amassing wealth but also political control to protect and fortify their wealth and profit margins. Corporate + State = Fascism. The US political scene is really two groups of fascists, both representing the owner class.

"Deregulation" is presented as unshackling business to 'make America great again', but is really globalists removing environmental and worker protection to bolster profit margins. Deregulation is also really about consolidation of power and control, as we see in corporate mass media with 5 cooperating fascist corporations controlling the narrative.

"Inclusivity" is presented as humanitarian, but is a smokescreen using ethnicity, race, and gender non-conformist faces to be a firewall against the backlash from the pro-corporate, pro-fascist agenda of the owner class.

[Dennis Leahy]

Yes it does matter, but only to those of us who remember. The rest of society is bombing along with the globalists and, in another couple of generations (if we’re lucky), memories will be blurred and then our history erased altogether. The warnings of Yuri Bezmenov back in the 1970s spring to mind, but has it really all happened at Russia’s behest? Maybe some of it some of it. . .

And then along came Guy Standing and his presentation about the Precariat (ie. us), which he made again to the Bilderberg Group in 2016. Here I feel a little sympathy for the middle class, who still have no idea that they are about to join us, that the future class structure will be Them and Us

It’s startling that the OP gives the social and economic history of most, Western countries. Everything outlined has happened in the UK in the same timeframe, and still happening now.

As for the Left – the Real Left – where are they all? In the UK pov, the last Leftie was arguably Jeremy Corbyn, taken down by the Jewish sector in the Labour Party....


Yes, thank you, the issue is global, and I am just too ignorant of the political realities and the political lexicon of other countries besides the US to comment on the specifics of how the owner class controls the political systems.

[Dennis Leahy]

Do also see this thread: :thumbsup:



The "Right-Left" dichotomy: false, simplistic, & manipulative. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111305-The-Right-Left-dichotomy-false-simplistic-manipulative.)



Bill, it's kind of funny that I too have used the example of bending a ruler until the ends touch to describe the erosion of the two endpoints of Left/Right as the merger of neoliberal and neoconservative ideology, but only really paid attention to the endpoints touching, not that it forms a circle. The circle does have more than those endpoints touching, and is instructive in defining multiple political ideologies' labels rather than pretend there are only two. My point here isn't redefining or reassigning the labels, but to point out that the owner class is the only class that is actually represented in US government (which is fascist/corporatist/kleptocratic/plutocratic, to thrown down a few more labels.) "The Left" used to represent the common man, the "worker class" and now is used to pretend that this still exists. The Democrats are evil motherWEFers that have nothing whatsoever to do with representing the common man that isn't part of the owner class.

The Nolan Chart (https://bubbleenterprises.co.uk/general-management/the-nolan-chart/) and Political Compass (https://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/tomattil/pol_comp/politicalcompass) further try to define political ideology labels and are instructive to understand the impetus behind the labels, but again, what I'm trying to point out - kinda clumsily - is that in spite of the labels, only the owner class is actually represented in US governance, and that any ideology that represents the common man has been eliminated from the political discourse, other than the phony application of the "Left" label to the Democrat gang.

[Dennis Leahy]

Neoliberalism & Neocons hijacked & corrupted the original left-right dichotomy (which was bad from the get-go) to the next level of mass psychological 5GW (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117876-Behind-NATO--s-cognitive-warfare.-Battle-for-your-brain-waged-by-Western-militaries) warfare, making it at least ten times worse!



This technocratic coup d'état (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) happened over decades of planning & infiltrating major key-positions of political power with much help from organizations like: C.F.R. (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=CFR), W.E.F. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum), Bilderbergers (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118736-The-Bilderberg-Group-Meets-in-Washington-DC-June-2022), Trilateral Commission (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Trilateral%20Commission), Committee of 300 (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Committee%20of%20300) etc.

Combined they ARE "The Deep State" serving Agenda2030 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset), NetZero2050 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115447-Climate-Lockdowns-are-Coming--Agenda2030--Predicted-by-Conspiracy-Researchers-), "Global Governance (https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1Gb0000000LHN2EAO)", A.I. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-) run Technocracy (https://Technocracy.news), WEF (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum), WHO (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118331-Global-WHO-Treaty-for-Pandemics-with-Digital-ID-and-Digital-Currency), CBDC (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120026-Biggest-Threat-To-Financial-Freedom-is-CBDC), 5GW (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117876-Behind-NATO--s-cognitive-warfare.-Battle-for-your-brain-waged-by-Western-militaries) etc. etc.

And all of them have minions (posing as "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)") waiting to be of "service" to whoever is the next president of the USA and all of them combined have powerful connections to corrupt, manipulate, deceive, coerce, threaten, blackmail, racketeer in such a way that ANY leader will seek: "the least evil option" to "solve" problems & issues at hand, and when done (choosing the lesser evil) ... claiming >>> "trust the plan" to PACIFY (neutralize) millions of Humanities Resistance, so that the "mass enslavement transition" can go more smoothly >>> which has also ties with the Global Depopulation Agenda (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113012-The-Depopulation-Plan)!


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cheers,
John Kuhles (https://www.facebook.com/groups/stop5g) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
September 28th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳


Yeah, John, I agree, though you are going way deep and wide of the point I'm trying to make and stress: that in spite of any rhetoric or labels, the common man, the working class, has no representation either in governance nor in the political discourse in the US. To your point of including the "deep state", that is yet another label misapplied solely to the Democrat cabal, as if the Republican cabal does not also follow and support the deep state agenda.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

My point here isn't redefining or reassigning the labels, but to point out that the owner class is the only class that is actually represented in US government (which is fascist/corporatist/kleptocratic/plutocratic, to thrown down a few more labels.) "The Left" used to represent the common man, the "worker class" and now is used to pretend that this still exists.

Agreed.

But I think your Left, Dennis, the original Left, of workers versus the ownership class, ended long before the 1970s.

It was co-opted from its very inception in my opinion. Only on the surface was it ever about "worker's rights" and/or "increased pay". Beneath this slick, well-meaning façade was a struggle for power (the typical human tragedy) by those who were running the unions. Political leverage was at the heart of it, which they achieved via bribery and intimidation. The unions were rife with corruption. And where there is corruption there is extortion, kick-backs and dirty money, and where those things exist there are always those on the fringe who are looking for a piece of the action. Enter organised crime, and so it was.

Historically, the mob had a vested interest in controlling the unions. No better example exists than the Teamsters, a la Jimmy Hoffa (whose body hasn't been found to this day). That whole organisation was shady as hell. The McClellan Committee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Select_Committee_on_Improper_Activities_in_Labor_and_Management) actually uncovered a mob plot involving Teamsters in Oregon that sought to take control of state police and the attorney general's office via bribery and blackmail (the usual tricks).

That's the rub, in my view. The Right is organised crime looking out for corporate special interests. The Left was co-opted by organized crime to become the controlled opposition.

Organised crime still operates today, oh yes, within the unions and across the three branches of government, and to prop up and forward the globalist agenda it would seem. Organised crime is a rather vague term I hear you say. Who exactly are they?

Seeing as the mob and the CIA became (behind the curtain) but one and the same thing, this should answer the question.

[ExomatrixTV]

Neoliberalism & Neocons hijacked & corrupted the original left-right dichotomy (which was bad from the get-go) to the next level of mass psychological 5GW (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117876-Behind-NATO--s-cognitive-warfare.-Battle-for-your-brain-waged-by-Western-militaries) warfare, making it at least ten times worse!




This technocratic coup d'état (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) happened over decades of planning & infiltrating major key-positions of political power with much help from organizations like: C.F.R. (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=CFR), W.E.F. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum), Bilderbergers (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118736-The-Bilderberg-Group-Meets-in-Washington-DC-June-2022), Trilateral Commission (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Trilateral%20Commission), Committee of 300 (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Committee%20of%20300) etc.

Combined they ARE "The Deep State" serving Agenda2030 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset), NetZero2050 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115447-Climate-Lockdowns-are-Coming--Agenda2030--Predicted-by-Conspiracy-Researchers-), "Global Governance (https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1Gb0000000LHN2EAO)", A.I. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-) run Technocracy (https://Technocracy.news), WEF (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum), WHO (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118331-Global-WHO-Treaty-for-Pandemics-with-Digital-ID-and-Digital-Currency), CBDC (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120026-Biggest-Threat-To-Financial-Freedom-is-CBDC), 5GW (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117876-Behind-NATO--s-cognitive-warfare.-Battle-for-your-brain-waged-by-Western-militaries) etc. etc.

And all of them have minions (posing as "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)") waiting to be of "service" to whoever is the next president of the USA and all of them combined have powerful connections to corrupt, manipulate, deceive, coerce, threaten, blackmail, racketeer in such a way that ANY leader will seek: "the least evil option" to "solve" problems & issues at hand, and when done (choosing the lesser evil) ... claiming >>> "trust the plan" to PACIFY (neutralize) millions of Humanities Resistance, so that the "mass enslavement transition" can go more smoothly >>> which has also ties with the Global Depopulation Agenda (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113012-The-Depopulation-Plan)!


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cheers,
John Kuhles (https://www.facebook.com/groups/stop5g) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
September 28th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳


Yeah, John, I agree, though you are going way deep and wide of the point I'm trying to make and stress: that in spite of any rhetoric or labels, the common man, the working class, has no representation either in governance nor in the political discourse in the US. To your point of including the "deep state", that is yet another label misapplied solely to the Democrat cabal, as if the Republican cabal does not also follow and support the deep state agenda.


My personal estimation is (just guessing) that about 60% of all Democrats have Neoliberals serving The Deep State Agenda and about 35% of all Republicans are Neocons serving the same Deep State Agenda TOGETHER they know they can push/lobby for a majority vote and even if my estimated numbers are incorrect ... the principle of bipartisan puppets pushing a WEF (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) agenda is to me super obvious! ... You can go "slowly" or "faster" towards Agenda2030 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset) & NetZero2050 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115447-Climate-Lockdowns-are-Coming--Agenda2030--Predicted-by-Conspiracy-Researchers-) >>> whatever happens Right or Left both are hijacked to serve the WEF (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) masters ... same goes for the "environmental movement" also totally hijacked by over the top psychopathic technocratic (https://technocracy.news) control freaks!


This problem is not only in the USA but in many other western NATO-Countries, especially The Netherlands 🇳🇱

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Should also mention that Jack Kennedy had a slew of mob connections back in the day, and it was through those connections his son, one John Fitzgerald Kennedy [Democrat], was aided in winning the Democratic primary in the late 40s, and thus a congressional seat (to do their bidding like a good minion does).

And I think we can reasonably argue that the same mob, and/or persons connected thereby, blew him away a few years later when JFK decided, let's say, not to honour the deal.

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis/ I hear you and get it. Today , both side are all liars entangled in a web of blackmail and coercion in order to hold on power. None stand on and live by the principals they espouse . I read that Elizabeth Warren - Pocahontas) came to politics on a reasonable salary, working for the people and now has mega millions. Just one example but how does that happen? its not the money Im against, its her earning it in politics that spells corruption

These ideologies, the left, the right always meant to me, left / kind, compassionate, open minded, anti war, for the average people, while the right always meant, the old guard establishment, big money, war for profit and and closed to new ideas or change

its all off the rails today and barely surviving like an old crypt keeper on its dying last days. The people have been sedated, and tech has figured us all out.
Comfort is addictive and why shouldnt it be? But comfort way past common sense and responsibility is not

I remain 100% behind DJT for this mission as the best possible one to break this deep state strangle hold. I don't need or care about agreement on this. I have said to you once before, I am 100% sure in real time boots on the ground life, you and I would be the best of friends and treat all people the same , equally as we want to be treated.

All the goodness both positions have represented in past days by the left and right have now been dismantled and decimated.
We are in the death throws of a once great country, and a tough captain is needed!
Time to let go of titles and ideals so they can hopefully one day be reset.
thanks and be well
pd
Doug, I'm as sure as you are that we'd be friends in person and not just in this cyber-world arena. I love your passion, your heart-centeredness/compassion, your thirst for knowledge, your unselfishness, your art, and your humor. Two of my dearest lifelong friends (identical twins) that I now also live near and get to have face-to-face and break bread interactions with are Trump supporters and voters. They know I don't have Trump Derangement Syndrome and can talk intelligently about the issues, even those that are critical of Trump.

I think I only have one Democrat friend left, the others all canceled me. That one remaining Democrat friend, a dear friend, is really focused on spiritual growth, creating art, and is physically absorbed into the many tasks of off-grid homesteading, and isn't about to shoot his mouth off - like I do - around my former and his current Democrat friends, risking alienation. My former Democrat friends could not tolerate intelligently discussing issues critical of specific Democrats (especially Saint Barack) or any deviation from the "Democrat good; Republican bad" matrix they are stuck in. Thank you for accepting my friendship in spite of my critique of Trump as a president. I don't blame anyone for voting for Trump considering the 12th degree black belt globalist-fascist mobsters operating the Biden marionette.

I was hesitant to mention Trump in my opening post, and though I won't edit it out, I probably should have saved it for somewhere else, as it probably only muddies the waters of what I was trying to express.

[Ewan]

Does it matter that "The Left", in modern discourse, is the opposite of the original definition of the "Left" ideology? I think it does matter, and here's why:

>>snip<<

Calling the Democrats the Left isn't just incorrect, lexicon larceny, or disgusting to someone like me that is actually pro-worker class, pro-peace, and pro-environment, it also removes even the concept of the actual Left ideology from existence in governance, now and in the future.

Hi Dennis, and thanks for the well thought out post and related ideas that do deserve consideration.

So I wanted to respond with a degree of serious contemplation,.....
..... after spending some time thinking deeply about the matter I may have distilled the essence down to two simple words anyone can understand..

F*** Government!

(Not intended to dismiss your opening post at all - just a simple solution).

[Dennis Leahy]

My point here isn't redefining or reassigning the labels, but to point out that the owner class is the only class that is actually represented in US government (which is fascist/corporatist/kleptocratic/plutocratic, to throw down a few more labels.) "The Left" used to represent the common man, the "worker class" and now is used to pretend that this still exists.

Agreed.

But I think your Left, Dennis, the original Left, of workers versus the ownership class, ended long before the 1970s.
Hi Mark,

Well, my timeline may be off a bit, but I think the gist is correct, and I did qualify that it was more rhetorical than substantive. (bolded below) In years past, I've challenged anyone to show me any legislation passed by the US Congress that was actually pro-citizen or pro-environment, after the Clean Air Act (1963) and Clean Water Act (1977). I'd have to go backwards in time to find any legislation passed that was pro-citizen, the Civil Rights Act of 1964. But even if my timeline is off a bit, and even if this was just the surface-level government support for the environment and/or citizens, my real point is that there is currently no such thing as support for citizens and the environment in the US government, only the disingenuous, hollow echo of calling the Democrats "lefties."

In the 1960's and early 1970's, the two political gangs became strongly associated with the class struggle: the Republicans overtly took up the banner of the corporate/owner class, and the Democrats overtly took up the banner of the worker class - more in rhetoric than reality, but it was their declaration. ...

... But, by the mid to late 1970's, the last legislation that was pro-worker, pro-citizen, or pro-environment had been penned and signed into legislation. It wasn't that the Republicans had become so strong, it was that the Democrats beat the old drum and sang the old song, but actually quasi-covertly sided with the owner class - and all the legislation that passed became pro-corporate, pro-war, and corporate environmental destruction became moot.
It was co-opted from its very inception in my opinion. Only on the surface was it ever about "worker's rights" and/or "increased pay". Beneath this slick, well-meaning façade was a struggle for power (the typical human tragedy) by those who were running the unions. Political leverage was at the heart of it, which they achieved via bribery and intimidation. The unions were rife with corruption. And where there is corruption there is extortion, kick-backs and dirty money, and where those things exist there are always those on the fringe who are looking for a piece of the action. Enter organised crime, and so it was.

Historically, the mob had a vested interest in controlling the unions. No better example exists than the Teamsters, a la Jimmy Hoffa (whose body hasn't been found to this day). That whole organisation was shady as hell. The McClellan Committee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Select_Committee_on_Improper_Activities_in_Labor_and_Management) actually uncovered a mob plot involving Teamsters in Oregon that sought to take control of state police and the attorney general's office via bribery and blackmail (the usual tricks).

That's the rub, in my view. The Right is organised crime looking out for corporate special interests. The Left was co-opted by organized crime to become the controlled opposition.

Organised crime still operates today, oh yes, within the unions and across the three branches of government, and to prop up and forward the globalist agenda it would seem. Organised crime is a rather vague term I hear you say. Who exactly are they?

Seeing as the mob and the CIA became (behind the curtain) but one and the same thing, this should answer the question.

I totally agree that mobsters destroyed most/many of the unions from within, but that didn't prevent Democrats and Republicans in Congress from enacting pro-citizen (pro-worker) and or pro-environmental legislation. The Democrats and Republicans did that all by themselves.

The GW Bush regime enacted the "Clear Skies Initiative" that weakened the Clean Air Act, and Bush and Co. also weakened the organic food standards from the existing Oregon Tilth and California standards, and assigned the FDA to become the certifying body, so there have been disingenuously named anti-environmental legislation enacted in this time period.