Jimmy Dore Addresses UN Security Council September 26, 2023 and No It is Not Satire

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Jimmy Dore Addresses UN Security Council and No It is Not Satire:

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Watch Jimmy Dore’s full comments to the United Nations Security Council on September 26, 2023

9424th Meeting (PM)
SC/15422 26 September 2023

One Year On, Security Council Hears Renewed Calls to Determine the Cause of Undersea Explosions Targeting Nord Stream Gas Pipelines (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage)

On the first anniversary of the attacks on the Nord Stream gas pipelines under the Baltic Sea, speakers in the Security Council today reiterated their calls for objective and impartial investigations — carried out with a heightened sense of urgency — into the explosions.

Dirk Pohlmann, journalist, briefing the Council during a meeting requested by the Russian Federation, said that one year on, “astonishing little” is known about the Nord Stream explosions (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage). While it is not known who is responsible, he said that he rejected the “Western-sponsored conspiracy theory” that identifies the Russian Federation as the culprit. The authorities in Germany, Denmark and Sweden — which are conducting ongoing investigations — “know enough”, he said, adding that the truth would open a Pandora’s box for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

Jimmy Dore, political commentator, recalled that President Joseph R. Biden (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112590-Evidence-of-Biden-Family-Crimes--heavily-media-suppressed-) of the United States had said in February 2022 that if the Russian Federation invaded Ukraine, “there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage). We will bring an end to it.” He added that through anonymous sources, the United States says that Ukraine is responsible for the Nord Stream attack — but it will not publicly blame that country. “And so, the United States continues to arm Ukraine to the teeth in hopes of extending the war and avoiding peace,” he said.

In the ensuing debate, delegates expressed concerns about the long-term environmental implications and unpredictable consequences of the Nord Stream attacks (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage). Many voiced support for the ongoing Danish, German and Swedish investigations and called for their outcomes to be made public and reported to the Council.

The United Arab Emirates’ representative said that sabotage against transboundary energy infrastructure is a grave threat to international energy security. When such acts occur, competent national authorities must investigate. He stressed the need for international coordination and cooperation, adding that investigations should be thorough and rigorously fact-based.

Brazil’s representative said that any attack on energy infrastructure is bound to have a profound impact on how international actors perceive the security of their critical assets. Calling for the timely disclosure of preliminary conclusions, he warned: “Lack of reliable information leaves ample room for speculation and accusations.”

The Russian Federation’s representative said that emerging evidence indicates that the United States had carried out this outrageous criminal act, guided by a selfish desire to consolidate its dominance in Europe. Given a coordinated campaign in Western media to promote ridiculous versions of what happened, Moscow will continue to seek an objective, thorough investigation of the facts, with the mandatory involvement of its own authorities, he said.

The United States’ representative called the Russian Federation’s “disingenuous remarks” an attempt to undermine the ongoing investigations and prejudice their results. Moscow is calling for an impartial investigation, but at the same time it is attempting prematurely to place the blame on certain countries, he said, adding: “It is not surprising that it selectively promotes narratives that comport with its preordained conclusion.”
Mozambique’s representative recalled that when his country was Council President in March, attempts were made to establish an independent investigation under the auspices of the Secretary-General. Instead, it was decided that such a step could interfere with the national investigations already underway. “Despite consensus that the bombing of the Nord Stream pipeline (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage) was indeed sabotage, the international community is no closer to the truth,” he continued.

Briefings

DIRK POHLMANN, journalist, speaking via video-teleconference, said that one year on, “astonishing little” is known about the Nord Stream explosions (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage). It is not known who is responsible, he said, adding however that he rejects the “Western-sponsored conspiracy theory” that identifies the Russian Federation as the culprit. The authorities in Germany, Denmark and Sweden “know enough”, he said, and the truth would open a Pandora’s box for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). Presenting evidence from Ola Tunander of the Peace Research Institute Oslo, he said that the explosives were placed in the Bornholm Basin at a depth of 75 to 80 meters, a depth that would require the use of a decompression chamber and indicates the participation of professional or military divers.

Citing reporting by journalist Seymour Hersh, he said that a Poseidon aircraft that flew back and forth between Sigonella, Italy and the Nordholz navy airfield in Germany for three nights prior to the explosions could have easily dropped a sonar buoy close to Bornholm.

Quoting another expert, Hans Benjamin Braun, he said that the official reports agreed that the pipelines were destroyed with an explosive charge equivalent to a few hundred kilograms of conventional explosives. Moreover, geophysical evidence points to the use of an explosive charge at least 1,000 times of what has been reported previously. He added that explosives were placed at a point along Nord Stream 1 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage) where the elliptically shaped Swedish coastline would act as a “focusing mirror” for the emitted shockwave, while also ensuring direct and unobscured connection between the site and the Kaliningrad coast. “The location of the explosion site was designed to generate a shock wave directed at Kaliningrad,” he said.

This effect was missed in official reports, which were restricted to seismic stations to the West of the explosion site, he continued, saying that the explosions that destroyed Nord Stream 1 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage) correspond to the use of one to four kilotons of trinitrotoluene, also known as TNT, rather than conventional explosives of a few hundred kilograms. He went on to say that the bottom of the Baltic Sea is “packed with hydrophones” which have enabled Western countries since the late 1970s to identify every vessel on and below the surface. Soviet pipelines have been a target of Western intelligence before, he added, with the Central Intelligence Agency destroying the Yamal pipeline in 1982 with malfunctioning chips. He also noted that the former German Chancellor, Helmut Schmidt, fell out of grace with President Ronald Reagan of the United States when he insisted in the 1980s on a gas pipeline deal to secure “cheap Soviet gas” for Europe.

JIMMY DORE, political commentator, speaking via video-teleconference, said: “You have to be a paid liar to not acknowledge the hand of the United States in carrying out these attacks.” He recalled that on 9 February 2022, President Joseph R. Biden of the United States said that if the Russian Federation invaded Ukraine, “there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage). We will bring an end to it.” An economic war is underway between the West and the Russian Federation to fill the pockets of rapacious capitalists who pull the strings of the Government of the United States and dictate its foreign policy. “It’s all happening under the guise of defending Ukraine from an unprovoked Russian invasion.”

The United States and NATO are to blame, he said, adding that the Western media’s coverage is leaving most people in the dark. The true cause of not only the Nord Stream bombing (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage), but also the Ukraine war and the destabilization of the Middle East is the imperialistic lust of the United States empire, which now has over 800 military bases around the world, he said, emphasizing that the real threat is the United States’ economic interests.

Elaborating, he said that for several decades, the United States has feared German capital and engineering joining the Russian Federation’s manpower and natural resources. “Because a neutral Ukraine would impede the primordial United States goal of a Russia-German fissure, the United States has opted for a proxy war instead.” Through anonymous sources, the United States says that Ukraine is responsible for the Nord Stream attack (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage), but it will not publicly blame that country. “And so, the United States continues to arm Ukraine to the teeth in hopes of extending the war and avoiding peace.” For its part, Germany will not release the findings of its official investigation, nor will it make an announcement. Moreover, the actions of those in the West who claim to be environmentalists reveal that they do not actually care about climate change; instead, they continue to support the war and its ecoterrorism, he said.

Statements

VASSILY A. NEBENZIA (Russian Federation) noted that in the year since the act of sabotage in the Baltic Sea, “we have heard a great deal about how national investigations carried out by Germany, Denmark and Sweden are about to find the culprits of this crime”.

Meanwhile, more evidence is emerging in the expert community indicating that Washington committed this outrageous criminal act, guided by a narrowly selfish desire to consolidate its dominance in Europe, which is in dire need of Russian Federation energy resources. He delineated the history of events, including unanswered Russian Federation requests to Berlin, Copenhagen and Stockholm for a comprehensive investigation, as well as their submission of a draft resolution to the Council, which was not adopted.

Moreover, showing clear disrespect, Germany, Denmark and Sweden ignored a request to speak at the Council meeting on 11 July. “We are not talking about some kind of hooligan prank,” but a terrorist attack that affected the international pipeline infrastructure, he said.

No one denies that the act was committed using an explosive device, and therefore should fall under the International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings of 1997, to which Germany, Denmark and Sweden are parties, he continued. However, a coordinated campaign to promote completely ridiculous versions of what happened is growing in the Western media, including that Moscow itself blew up a gas pipeline that was functioning in its interests. He pointed to an investigation by Seymour Hersh (https://seymourhersh.substack.com/) indicating that the explosives were planted by American divers during NATO’s BALTOPS exercises in the summer of 2022. He further recalled that President Biden said that the United States would “bring an end” to Nord Stream 2 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage). Western members of the Council will assert that the Russian Federation is distracting the Council from serious matters, but Moscow will continue to seek an objective, thorough investigation of the facts, with the mandatory involvement of its own authorities.

HAMAMOTO YUKIYA (Japan), underscoring the importance of reliable natural gas supplies, said that given the fragility of the global energy landscape, acts which endanger critical infrastructure pose a risk to many. Expressing concern over the Nord Stream incident (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage) and its long-term environmental implications, he said that Japan is vigilantly following the investigations led by Germany, Sweden and Denmark. “We have faith that these will be executed with the utmost fairness and transparency,” he said, calling for the outcomes of those investigations to be made public and expeditiously reported to the Security Council. To address matters affecting international peace and security, the organ needs to have facts before it, he emphasized.

SÉRGIO FRANÇA DANESE (Brazil) said that the Nord Stream 1 and 2 explosions (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage) caused enormous economic losses, aggravated international tensions and heightened political uncertainly in the region. Any attack on energy infrastructure is bound to have a profound impact on how international actors perceive the security of their critical assets. Insufficient attention is being paid to the environmental impacts, in stark contrast to the readiness of many nations to assign blame when similar incidents occur in other regions. Underscoring the importance of determining the causes of the incident, without external interference, he called for the transparent and timely disclosure of preliminary conclusions. “Lack of reliable information leaves ample room for speculation and accusations, including those related to the war in Ukraine,” he said.

MICHEL XAVIER BIANG (Gabon) said that the Nord Stream attacks (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage) were malicious and had significant repercussions on the environment and economy. The Council is awaiting the findings of a joint investigation which is expected to shed light on the situation.

Gabon encourages all parties to partake in an impartial, apolitical dynamic, he said, emphasizing that to do otherwise would jeopardize trust. Cooperation and the exchange of information should prevail over all other considerations in order to reveal the truth, he noted.

HERNÁN PÉREZ LOOSE (Ecuador) said that there is no justification for attacks against essential civilian infrastructure, including energy infrastructure. Such acts exacerbate tensions and could trigger unpredictable consequences, he said, calling on States to avoid speculation and to exercise maximum restraint. Ecuador will continue to be guided by information provided in the past to the Council by the Under-Secretary-General for Political and Peacebuilding Affairs, he said, adding that information provided by Sweden, Germany and Denmark reflects the complex nature of ongoing national investigations, which must progress in line with the fundamental principles of the rule of law.

ADRIAN DOMINIK HAURI (Switzerland) reiterated his country’s concern for the alleged acts of sabotage, saying that such attacks have harmful consequences on the general population and the environment. He welcomed the information contained in the joint letter from Denmark, Germany and Sweden concerning their respective ongoing national investigations, adding that their conclusions will shed light on the facts.

GENG SHUANG (China), recalling that many Council Members had underscored that investigations into the incident must be objective and impartial, voiced regret that they have not yielded a clear and authoritative conclusion. The countries concerned have been conducting country-specific investigations for quite some time, but their results are elusive. Further delays will make it harder to collect evidence and could lead to less than credible results. Investigations must therefore be carried out with a heightened sense of urgency. Given that the Russian Federation is one of the main parties involved in the explosion, countries concerned must communicate and cooperate with that country rather than reject it, he said, adding that any politicization of the investigation will arouse suspicion. For its part, the Council must refrain from applying double standards on the issue and ensure the perpetrators are brought to justice, he added.

DARREN CAMILLERI (Malta), condemning the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage), said that such actions pose a serious threat to energy security and regional stability. They also exacerbate the challenges faced by developing nations resulting from the Russian Federation’s aggression against Ukraine. Describing the investigations by Denmark, Germany and Sweden as ongoing and complex, he said that Malta does not question their methods or credibility. Claims that enough time has passed to draw conclusions are groundless, he said, adding that speculation fosters distrust among States. Those three countries have the means to carry out their investigations and establishing more investigations would be counter-productive, he said.

FERGUS JOHN ECKERSLEY (United Kingdom) said that he was confident that Germany, Denmark and Sweden are carrying out their investigations with impartiality. It is not a good use of the Council’s time to prejudge the outcome of these investigations, dictate how they are conducted, or otherwise undermine them. It should rather support those efforts, he said, adding that if the Russian Federation is seriously concerned about civilian infrastructure, it must cease its relentless attacks in Ukraine and ensure accountability for the destruction and suffering they have caused.

MOHAMED ISSA ABUSHAHAB (United Arab Emirates), condemning the “acts of sabotage” against the Nord Stream pipelines (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage), recalled that Security Council resolution 2341 (2017) emphasizes the need for international cooperation to protect critical infrastructure. “Sabotage against transboundary energy infrastructure is a grave threat to international energy security. When such acts occur, it is vital that competent national authorities investigate,” he said, emphasizing that such investigations should be thorough and fact-based. While welcoming submissions to the Council on 21 February and 10 July by Denmark, Germany and Sweden, he called for further updates as the investigations move forward. He further stressed the need for international coordination and cooperation, and hoped that the perpetrators will eventually be identified and brought to account.

PEDRO COMISSÁRIO AFONSO (Mozambique) recalled that during his country’s presidency of the Council in March, attempts were made to establish an independent investigation under the auspices of the Secretary-General. Instead, it was decided that an independent investigation was premature and could interfere with national investigations already underway, he added, underlining that Mozambique supported a speedy end to those efforts. Despite consensus that the bombing of the Nord Stream pipeline (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage) was indeed sabotage, the international community is no closer to the truth and the findings of the ongoing investigations must be brought to light urgently. “Let us not forget the consequences of impunity. It not only emboldens those who perpetrate such acts, but also weakens the very foundation of international cooperation,” he said.

JOHN KELLEY (United States), voicing regret that the Russian Federation was calling repetitive meetings on the topic despite the many other pressing issues on the Council’s agenda, reiterated his concern over the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage) that took place in September 2022. He voiced confidence in the thoroughness and impartiality of the ongoing investigations by Denmark, Germany and Sweden, noting that the attacks occurred in the maritime zones of Denmark Sweden. The Russian Federation is calling for an impartial investigation, but at the same time it is attempting prematurely to place the blame on certain countries. Therefore, it is not surprising that it selectively promotes narratives that comport with its preordained conclusion. He called on the Council to disregard such accusations and speculation and to allow the countries concerned to conclude their work. The Russian Federation’s “disingenuous remarks” are an attempt to undermine the ongoing investigations to prejudice their results, he added.

NICOLAS DE RIVIÈRE (France) asked why the Russian Federation requested a fourth Council meeting on this topic, given that no new or credible element has emerged. That country demonstrates so much concern about attacks on European infrastructure, yet continues to inflict massive destruction every day on Ukraine. At the same time, it is seeking to distract the Council and fuel speculation about responsibility for the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage). There is no reason to doubt the seriousness and impartiality of the German, Danish and Swedish investigations, which should continue without political interference, he said.

KHALILAH HACKMAN (Ghana), noting that there is unity among Council members to uncover the facts surrounding the sabotage of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage), underscored the need for concerted global efforts to pre-empt and mitigate such actions. Supporting the Council’s continued interest in unravelling the facts, she said that differing views among its members do not affect the united position express in previous meetings.

Ghana supports the ongoing investigations as key to ensuring accountability, she said, emphasizing also the need for multiparty cooperation, open and transparent engagement by parties, and the need for a specified timeframe for concluding the investigations.

ALBANA DAUTLLARI (Albania), Council President for September, noting the Council’s previous meetings on this issue, said that the same positions are being repeated because there is nothing new on the matter. “Many briefers of different profiles have tried to explain what they don’t know and what we still don’t know.” Describing the apparent act of sabotage as unacceptable, she reiterated Albania’s full support for the investigations initiated by Denmark, Germany and Sweden. Those three States have strong judicial institutions and unquestionable records of the rule of law, she said, adding: “We should be patient and wait for the ongoing investigations’ conclusions.”


source (https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15422.doc.htm)

see also:


Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119616-Nord-Stream-1-2-Pipeline-Sabotage&highlight=Nord+Stream)
WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia)
What is it with the Jimmy Dore Show? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120943-What-is-it-with-the-Jimmy-Dore-Show&highlight=Jimmy+Dore)

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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[ExomatrixTV]

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[ExomatrixTV]

In my view, Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) is a master reacting & sifting through the mainstream media BS & Hypocrisies, he has a vast network of people sending him interesting stuff and I truly genuinely LOVE his sense of humor.

I take that ANY TIME above anything else, as most "conspiracy research experts" are way too serious and way too dry ... :facepalm:

Sure you get (much) better content deeper insights from researchers like: Daniel Liszt (Dark Journalist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNkAPdEcUBg)), Dane Wigington (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120931-They-Weaponized-The-Weather-2023-Update-&) (GeoengineeringWatch), Scott Ritter (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Scott%20Ritter), Dr. Chris Martenson (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=dr.%20chris%20martenson) and many others like them ... and I really appreciate their efforts too ... But psychologically speaking I need to laugh as well otherwise I go insane! https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/rant.gif


It is very easy to get frustrated and thus becoming ridged and faster triggered if you (subconsciously) demand "perfection" from others.

My "moon sign" is Virgo my Sun sign Aries that equals to: being an impulsive perfectionist, so I have to learn to let go if it does not fit in my expectations & needs "how others suppose to be" almost every day! ... After a while being that, I finally "get it" :idea:... it is a different way of looking at things and learning how to focus on the good stuff without staying in a nagging mode.

I do not have to agree with everything Jimmy Dore says, but overall I love to study different perspectives dealing with how the mass (brainwashing) media works and how to expose their tunnel vision narratives in a HUMOROUS (often more intelligent) way! <<< That's KEY why I can listen to him much more often and much longer than anyone else on the same topics.

But here is the crux ... not everyone has the same sense of humor, thus "demanding" to be informed in a specific way and only "what is necessary" aka very pragmatic & functional way. And I get that.

The choices of alleged "important topics" may also differ from person to person, not everybody cares so much what a comedian has to say about topic A or topic B or topic C etc. that is another subjective choice & personal issue!

Nobody forces anyone to view or listen to stuff that has a particular style you do not like. >>> You will not be judged for not wanting to be informed that way. >>> But for others it may have the effect of having the necessary comical relief >>> which for me works very therapeutic, especially when it is (in my view) done in an above average intelligent way.


To summarize my point: I totally get it, why Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) is not for everybody.

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cheers,
John Kuhles (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/johnkuhles) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
April 17th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

* source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120943-What-is-it-with-the-Jimmy-Dore-Show&p=1552658&viewfull=1#post1552658)

Jimmy Dore admitted he was wrong and changed his mind and explained why he did that many times ... A lot of Avalonians may assume all liberal people stay the same forever <<< but that is a false assumption!

Jimmy is very consistent opposing: lockdowns, facemasks, mandatory or semi-mandatory vaccines which he called "untested experimental mRNA injections (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113668-Vaccination-Injuries-On-Record-for-Covid19) violating all 10 of the Nuremberg Code (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code) of medical ethics" ... Exposing the FALSE PCR Tests with evidence ... Jimmy called out Big Pharma from day 1 since the Covid Hysteria! ... Jimmy called out censorship & big tech ... He also explained the difference between "Classical Liberalism" vs "Woke Neoliberalism" ... He challenged the insane Woke Paranoia (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115313-There-s-the-Woke-and-the-In-The-Know) of the left too ... He also allowed multiple "right wing" people to share their views/deeper insights on his show AND he allowed many Doctors who were censored to speak on his show ...He exposed Obama lies, Clinton lies, discussed Epstein multiple times ... He is against the War in Syria & Ukraine from day 1 ... Jimmy interviewed recently Prof. Dr. Mattias Desmet author of The Psychology of Totalitarianism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism) ... He exposed ALL lies sold by the Biden Administration like: "Russia meddling elections" HOAX and so many other leftists lies ...

I shared more than 300 Jimmy Dore videos last 3 years on Project Avalon Forum ... if you had your mind already made up about him and decided not to watch, you really missed tons of good reports!


Jimmy Dore is not afraid to discuss many different kinds of "conspiracy research" either (does not act dumb about it as so many mainstream talking heads do).
and yes, he can be critical about Trump too, if need be ... shouldn't we all?

Jimmy also exposed multiple times: "Agenda 2030" - "Great Reset" - "Build Back Better" - "NetZero2050" WEF (World Economic Forum) Klaus Schwab ... Jimmy is highly critical towards: "The Green New Deal" & "Climate Change" Hysteria & Upcoming Orwellian Climate Lockdowns ... Jimmy discussed what happened in Canada 🇨🇦 & The Netherlands 🇳🇱 Truckers & Farmers Protests against the WEF Tyranny multiple times ... And so so much more!

... and I did not even share HALF of the reasons why Jimmy stands out in a very good way!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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[ExomatrixTV]

Haha thanks, John! That's helpful. Yes, it appears that everyone likes to chew their food a little differently. You seem to like your information "pre-chewed" by Jimmy Dore. =D Sometimes, I get my information direct but do prefer to have it "pre-chewed" as well by a different cast of characters. Whatever works, right? We seem to be on the same page on most things so I think both of us are doing something right.

For me personally (almost) nothing is "pre-chewed" as I already have my own network of sources, even beyond Avalon as I am 33 years active making alternative media (https://whynotnews.eu) (Radio & TV Amsterdam 1990-1998) ... Running my own server since 1999 creating multiple sites having over 24 hours of FREE conspiracy research videos material online long before VideoGoogle & YouTube existed) ... Created multiple big YT channels since 2007 onward with over 135,000+ subscribers combined (some big channels of mine were taken down due to censorship) ... Did 100s of radio & tv interviews, gave 80+ lectures in 5 countries, co-founder of 2 Magazines, co-organized multiple sold out conferences with some help from Nexus Magazine (https://nexusmagazine.com) etc. etc. and because of all that I STILL get tons of intel from my "old network" >>> fellow conspiracy researchers that is beyond the Avalon Network.

Even if I disagree with ANYONE, I still can find things very fascinating how others see things and why they talk/think/reason like that ... Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) is very clear how he thinks and why he thinks a certain way ... I do not sense he is pushing a "hidden agenda" deliberately lying to his audience. And yes nobody is perfect including Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos), but he allows to correct himself publicly if need be, which is rare in most cases dealing with high profile people.

In my view/personal experiences, not everyone asks the right questions / create better questions in the "alternative media networks" world ... Jimmy positively surprised me often enough how he questions things that are very similar questions I have ... that, among others, is why I appreciate him ... But Jimmy is not the "basses" how I form my opinion nor do I need him for that because for most of it I already did via my own network of research. No "pre-chewed" issues at all here.


On a pure psychological level, I love to analyze/study the comments below Jimmy Dore Video's (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) to see how the "level of awareness" is of "the common people" but also fellow "conspiracy researchers" and BOTH are getting better at it to my surprise!

I see also way too many "side-line conspiracy researchers" refusing to watch Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) not willing to adjust their views of how the masses are changing their "awareness level" adding new contributions as a whole ... too many seem bittered to me, frustrated, chronically pessimistic, becoming ridged, dogmatic, permanent sarcastic, doom thinkers, projecting their own incompetence (to be more creative & uplifting) on others etc. etc.

Thanks to the 1000s comments section below Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) Youtube videos, I am really positively surprised :) ... Why? ... because I started in 1990 analyzing/studying how people react/behave and see the progression how it was in the early 1990s then 2000s then 2010s and now 2020s.

As you can see, it is not that "one dimensional" why I appreciate Jimmy Dore efforts (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) and his input to me is just a tiny fraction!

@Pris (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?23725-Pris), please study also this response (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120943-What-is-it-with-the-Jimmy-Dore-Show&p=1552658&viewfull=1#post1552658) of mine to fully see the bigger picture where I am coming from and how I perceive things in a specific way ... That would be great and thanks :bowing: in advance if you do :)

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

* source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120906-Trump-The-World-s-Greatest-Troll&p=1557783&viewfull=1#post1557783)

To a degree everybody gets "pre chewed" information even if it is "raw data" as how many can say I was not directed towards it ... or somebody told me "this is important" and who decides? ... Why it is important? ... In what context? ... and what are the assumptions based upon?

I can see/extrapolate the core-information separate from the messenger when the "messenger" is sharing anything with me ... Any "spin" given in "how to interpret things" often goes along with decades of programming & conditioning almost everyone received ... and yes I can (after 33 years of full time conspiracy research) also see beyond the mass programming & conditioning and STILL relate to it why people talk a certain way and think certain way ... that does not mean I have to "go along with it" nor do the same as they do ...

Just because I appreciate certain (conditioned) messengers does not mean I have to blindly accept all their interpretations, to me that is a given ... So to consider multiple perspectives is certainly NOT the same as blindly assuming it is "all correct" nor assuming they are "the best interpretations" >> there are always others who may do it better.

But who decides "who is better" and why? ... Just because you think what is best for you does not mean it is a "perfect template" for everybody ... As I wonder if there is anybody who really understand how I work ... So many assumptions without realizing it is not about "what others think or not" nor "what others do or not with it" ... What works for me does not have to work for you and vice versa.

Some basics of how I work, dealing with controversial issues:


Discernment-skills can never be spoon-fed ... it has to be practiced through "trail & error" my whole life!
Willing to learn from my mistakes and move on!
Taking full responsibility for my quality of thinking & reasoning.
Never using the: "authorities (of any kind) told me how to think, so I am not to blame" rhetoric.
If you can do all that, you do not have to blindly "follow" nor hide behind anyone.

Having these basics & common sense, you still can appreciate multiple perspectives & perceptions ... To consider alternative points of view does not make you a (blind) "believer" nor a (blind) "follower" ... you just chose to expand your awareness and broaden your horizon of possibilities to chose from, if need be ... No "tunnel vision" agenda here!

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/johnkuhles) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
May 18th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

* source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120906-Trump-The-World-s-Greatest-Troll&p=1557951&viewfull=1#post1557951)

[thepainterdoug]

There is nothing so great that Jimmy says here. I knew all of this already, from just following all info previously referenced.
I knew 100% of what he said , from my lil single room apt .

All Jimmy did was tell the truth. The simple obvious truth that most of the world could already see. And that is whats so shockingly real about this great thing here. You cannot tell the truth.

And then to see the UN Body, the expressionless speechless useless deadpan body of actors filling their seats and playing their parts, reminding me so much of school board admins who sit emotionless after being read from a schoolbook oral sex exploits of 8 year olds from an outraged parent.

Thank you very much. Next.

[Pris]

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Jimmy Dore Addresses UN Security Council and No It is Not Satire:

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Haha thanks, John! That's helpful. Yes, it appears that everyone likes to chew their food a little differently. You seem to like your information "pre-chewed" by Jimmy Dore. =D Sometimes, I get my information direct but do prefer to have it "pre-chewed" as well by a different cast of characters. Whatever works, right? We seem to be on the same page on most things so I think both of us are doing something right.

For me personally (almost) nothing is "pre-chewed" as I already have my own network of sources, even beyond Avalon as I am 33 years active making alternative media (https://whynotnews.eu) (Radio & TV Amsterdam 1990-1998) ... Running my own server since 1999 creating multiple sites having over 24 hours of FREE conspiracy research videos material online long before VideoGoogle & YouTube existed) ... Created multiple big YT channels since 2007 onward with over 135,000+ subscribers combined (some big channels of mine were taken down due to censorship) ... Did 100s of radio & tv interviews, gave 80+ lectures in 5 countries, co-founder of 2 Magazines, co-organized multiple sold out conferences with some help from Nexus Magazine (https://nexusmagazine.com) etc. etc. and because of all that I STILL get tons of intel from my "old network" >>> fellow conspiracy researchers that is beyond the Avalon Network.

Even if I disagree with ANYONE, I still can find things very fascinating how others see things and why they talk/think/reason like that ... Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) is very clear how he thinks and why he thinks a certain way ... I do not sense he is pushing a "hidden agenda" deliberately lying to his audience. And yes nobody is perfect including Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos), but he allows to correct himself publicly if need be, which is rare in most cases dealing with high profile people.

In my view/personal experiences, not everyone asks the right questions / create better questions in the "alternative media networks" world ... Jimmy positively surprised me often enough how he questions things that are very similar questions I have ... that, among others, is why I appreciate him ... But Jimmy is not the "basses" how I form my opinion nor do I need him for that because for most of it I already did via my own network of research. No "pre-chewed" issues at all here.


On a pure psychological level, I love to analyze/study the comments below Jimmy Dore Video's (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) to see how the "level of awareness" is of "the common people" but also fellow "conspiracy researchers" and BOTH are getting better at it to my surprise!

I see also way too many "side-line conspiracy researchers" refusing to watch Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) not willing to adjust their views of how the masses are changing their "awareness level" adding new contributions as a whole ... too many seem bittered to me, frustrated, chronically pessimistic, becoming ridged, dogmatic, permanent sarcastic, doom thinkers, projecting their own incompetence (to be more creative & uplifting) on others etc. etc.

Thanks to the 1000s comments section below Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) Youtube videos, I am really positively surprised :) ... Why? ... because I started in 1990 analyzing/studying how people react/behave and see the progression how it was in the early 1990s then 2000s then 2010s and now 2020s.

As you can see, it is not that "one dimensional" why I appreciate Jimmy Dore efforts (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) and his input to me is just a tiny fraction!

@Pris (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?23725-Pris), please study also this response (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120943-What-is-it-with-the-Jimmy-Dore-Show&p=1552658&viewfull=1#post1552658) of mine to fully see the bigger picture where I am coming from and how I perceive things in a specific way ... That would be great and thanks :bowing: in advance if you do :)

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

* source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120906-Trump-The-World-s-Greatest-Troll&p=1557783&viewfull=1#post1557783)

To a degree everybody gets "pre chewed" information even if it is "raw data" as how many can say I was not directed towards it ... or somebody told me "this is important" and who decides? ... Why it is important? ... In what context? ... and what are the assumptions based upon?

I can see/extrapolate the core-information separate from the messenger when the "messenger" is sharing anything with me ... Any "spin" given in "how to interpret things" often goes along with decades of programming & conditioning almost everyone received ... and yes I can (after 33 years of full time conspiracy research) also see beyond the mass programming & conditioning and STILL relate to it why people talk a certain way and think certain way ... that does not mean I have to "go along with it" nor do the same as they do ...

Just because I appreciate certain (conditioned) messengers does not mean I have to blindly accept all their interpretations, to me that is a given ... So to consider multiple perspectives is certainly NOT the same as blindly assuming it is "all correct" nor assuming they are "the best interpretations" >> there are always others who may do it better.

But who decides "who is better" and why? ... Just because you think what is best for you does not mean it is a "perfect template" for everybody ... As I wonder if there is anybody who really understand how I work ... So many assumptions without realizing it is not about "what others think or not" nor "what others do or not with it" ... What works for me does not have to work for you and vice versa.

Some basics of how I work, dealing with controversial issues:


Discernment-skills can never be spoon-fed ... it has to be practiced through "trail & error" my whole life!
Willing to learn from my mistakes and move on!
Taking full responsibility for my quality of thinking & reasoning.
Never using the: "authorities (of any kind) told me how to think, so I am not to blame" rhetoric.
If you can do all that, you do not have to blindly "follow" nor hide behind anyone.

Having these basics & common sense, you still can appreciate multiple perspectives & perceptions ... To consider alternative points of view does not make you a (blind) "believer" nor a (blind) "follower" ... you just chose to expand your awareness and broaden your horizon of possibilities to chose from, if need be ... No "tunnel vision" agenda here!

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/johnkuhles) aka 'ExomatrixTV'
May 18th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

* source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120906-Trump-The-World-s-Greatest-Troll&p=1557951&viewfull=1#post1557951)


You took my comment from another thread -- more or less out of context -- and planted it in here to make a point? I thought we buried the hatchet on this some time ago. Guess not. :thumb:

Yes, we get our information "pre-chewed".

I listened to that video of Jimmy Dore's UN zoom call(?). It wasn't bad, however, he left out what I consider to be the main reason why Putin went into Ukraine. Yes, there was a coup in 2014, but that finally culminated in Putin going in because he needed to take out those 40 plus US funded bio-weapons labs (all on the heels of the Plandemic and the mRNA "vaccine" bio-weapon being unleashed upon humanity). For optics reasons, it appears that Trump needed Putin to do this once Trump was no longer in the White House.

Dore not mentioning the US funded bio-weapons labs at all is significant and concerning. Doesn't he know about those labs? He talked about everything else. Why leave that major part out?

I'm not a big fan of Jimmy Dore's... style and leanings. There's some videos he's put out I've found agreeable, others not so much.

To make my point, I myself quite like Styxhexenhammer666, his style, delivery and his overall take on politics. It helps that he's very much pro-Trump. But, sometimes he absolutely misses the forest through the trees and really ticks me off. It's hit and miss with him. So yes, the information I get from Styx is "pre-chewed" because it's coming through his lens. That doesn't mean I sit back and let him get away with it (and that's assuming I'm already aware of something prior). Nobody is perfect. In other words, I always have to be on guard with Styx and everyone else I happen to listen to because they may not get their facts straight or see the greater picture on every issue. I always have to remind myself of that and need to be doubly careful not to assume anything no matter how much I may like someone.

As I said before, I think we're mostly on the same page, John. :)

[ExomatrixTV]

As I said before, I think we're mostly on the same page, John.

Good to know :heart: :Angel:


...

I love to see you to do the same job as Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) did in his place with LIMITED TIME given and be "100% perfect" to all your peers!


If I have learned anything in life ... it is that you never ever will please everybody! .. Especially when it is controversial.


Knowing that fact (aka living wisdom), makes me live/behave differently than most people do ... which I already explained ad nauseam last 12 years here on Project Avalon Forum ;)

Reusing some (I made much more) of my explanatory texts with added source links about how I see Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) from a "conspiracy researcher perspective" can be very insightful for all new people coming to Project Avalon Forum ... it has nothing to do with a "fight hatches" or "revenge hatches" at all ... Pure sharing different points of view, which can be helpful for those who want to get it why I say it like that ... No evil intent, no hidden agendas etc. ... I really do not need to "convince" anyone ... I just explain how I see it and why <<< and I assume many find that helpful even if they (partly) disagree at least you get it how I live and where I am coming from (being Dutch 🇳🇱 ) ... and am far from "perfect" which I never claim to be.

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Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) quote: "Biden administration official Victoria Nuland’s surprising admission under questioning from Florida Senator Marco Rubio that Ukraine possesses “biological research facilities” has led to widespread speculation that Russian accusations about nefarious activities underway in those labs may be based in fact. Despite no hard evidence either way about what sort of work is being done at these labs, media “fact checkers” have determined that the reports represent nothing more than Russian propaganda. Jimmy and journalist Glenn Greenwald discuss the question, pointing to the misinformation surrounding the 2001 anthrax attacks to suggest that there may be more going on in the Ukrainian biolabs than the US government is prepared to acknowledge." unquote

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Raskolnikov]

So why did the UN even allow Jimmy Dore to speak? I like Dore but it's interesting to note that he didn't really wake up until after two jabs. Didn't he even spit in Alex Jones' face at one point? Used to enjoy listening to him until he appeared to go "woke" after Trump's election so had to let him go. Then the major turnaround post-vaccine. Good to see him back on track, he's an enjoyable listen and a worthy social commentator. Sad he couldn't see his mistake before getting vaccinated. Now he continually says he never fell for any of it and he was aware of the lies the whole time. Well that's just a lie and I wish he'd stop saying it. I like to see him speaking truth again, but he's not being completely honest with his audience when he says such things.

[ExomatrixTV]

Reaction To Jimmy Dore’s TRUTH At The United Nations:

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On Tuesday the United Nations Security Council welcomed a very surprising speaker — comedian and political commentator Jimmy Dore! Jimmy explained about how the United States was behind the Nord Stream bombing and the western media all fell in line to push the lie that Russia or Ukraine or someone else was responsible. Guest host Craig “Pasta” Jardula and Kurt Metzger discuss Jimmy’s UN appearance and Seymour Hersh’s startling revelation that the Nord Stream bombing wasn’t actually about the Ukraine War at all.

* Joe Biden announced that he would do it Feb 9th 2022.

* Still Western press some how seemed baffled who could did it.

* U.S. navy divers were in the area 3 months prior for a training and planted the bombs at that time.

* Points out the news media start the story at the invasion but purposely leaves out 8+ years before this where the US interfered with elections to install a puppet, (armed and trained their military) and then used that puppet to create attacks which ultimately killed 18,000 Ukrainians in the Donbass who didn't accept these elections.

* Talks about the massive bases the US has around the world as a dominant force, that is spiraling towards a broken empire that cares more about wars abroad than it does about advancing its own citizens at home.

* Points out that the US's biggest fear is the joining of Russian natural resources and man power with German advanced technology and engineering. (Should have pointed out the amount of US bases in Germany, making it a vassal state).

* Finishes by pointing out hypocrisy of environmentalists for not speaking out against one of the largest releases of methane gasses into the environment and Greta T. going to Ukraine to support the war and saying nothing.

The final obscenity is the people in the West who claim to be environmentalists and claim to care about climate change and the environment to say nothing about the worst release of methane gas in human history, but in fact whose actions reveal they don’t actually care about climate change and continue to support this war and its eco-terrorism. In a bizarre twist, even Greta Thunberg travelled to Ukraine to meet with Zelenksyy after the Nord Stream Bombing.

Dirk Pohlmann (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Dirk%20Pohlmann) is a German journalist, author, screenwriter, director and producer of more than 20 historical documentaries for Arte, ARD and ZDF. He was a manager of CargoLifter World and ArtemiFlow, producer of Artemisinin. Dirk Pohlmann is the editor-in-chief of Free21, a German Political Blog and journal. Since 2004, Pohlmann has increasingly focused on intelligence operations during the Cold War and after.

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A Year Of Lying About Nord Stream :dog:
(https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/a-year-of-lying-about-nord-stream)

[ExomatrixTV]

UN Speech With Sub-Titles:

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Jimmy Dore Addresses The United Nations (Reaction):

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starts at 36:16 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whOFxT0IE-8&t=2176s)

[T Smith]

There is nothing so great that Jimmy says here...All Jimmy did was tell the truth.

Agree. In the famed words of George Orwell:

In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act

― George Orwell

[T Smith]

Used to enjoy listening to him until he appeared to go "woke" after Trump's election so had to let him go. Then the major turnaround post-vaccine. Good to see him back on track, he's an enjoyable listen and a worthy social commentator. Sad he couldn't see his mistake before getting vaccinated.

There are many social commentators/influencers who are--I believe--genuinely waking up. Joe Rogan, Russell Brand, Elon Musk.... the list goes on. I hold no grudge for past ignorance--and I'm not saying the aforementioned are fully awake, nor do I agree, necessarily, with all their viewpoints. But they all seem to be embracing truth, at least to some degree. Everyone in their due time, at their own pace.

It is those who understand the truth, but still embrace darkness who we need to condemn and reject.

[Pris]

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As I said before, I think we're mostly on the same page, John.

Good to know :heart: :Angel:



...

I love to see you to do the same job as Jimmy Dore (https://www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow/videos) did in his place with LIMITED TIME given and be "100% perfect" to all your peers!


Haha well now that you mention it, Dore did appear to be reading off a script. I know I would. So sure, I think he could have squeezed in a mention of those US funded bio-weapons labs. The bio-weapons angle really makes Putin look like he had no choice but to go into Ukraine in order to protect his country, Ukraine, and the rest of the world. That makes Putin a hero, actually -- definitely not the narrative we're being fed by the globalist-contolled fake news outlets who are pushing for WW3 against this man.

At least Dore mentioned the Azov Battalion and how they are the ones physically attacking the people of Ukraine, but he wasn't exactly clear on the fact that Putin's been fighting those Nazis BECAUSE they're attacking the people of Ukraine. And, it's those Nazis and Zelensky that are (supposedly) getting all those billions of dollars for their "war against Russia". But, that money is being funneled through them in this proxy war to the globalists. Ukraine just so happens to be their money laundering hub. It's all about money laundering (and human trafficking/drug trafficking) and, especially, robbing the West (and mostly other NATO countries) blind. "United Nations"! What a joke. Guess who's behind NATO and the UN? Those are globalist fraud schemes just like the globalist WEF and their Agenda 2030 (used to be called Agenda 21 [2021] but Trump threw a wrench into their plans so they had to push it forward). Talk about ironic. Anyway, this is about the continuing transfer of wealth from the People to the super rich globalists (that's also what the "man-made climate change" scam is for, what medical tyranny [like the orchestrated Plandemic] is for). The globalists like to say, "Never let a good crisis go to waste." Keep the People living in fear. Ordo Ab Chao. And, if there isn't a crisis you can use, invent one.

I noticed that Dore mentioned the culprits in all this are "rapacious capitalists" (if I got that word right). It's not capitalism that's the problem. What we're witnessing is not the result of capitalism, it's the result of globalist criminals (oligarchs, plutocrats) that have undermined, infiltrated, and corrupted the capitalist system and the justice system -- the justice system that should be protecting the People with antitrust laws and fair courts. Instead, the opposite is happening. The system has been criminally monopolized for the benefit of a small group of wealthy "elites" who sit at the top while handing more and more power over to the federal government(s) -- under the control of these criminals -- that implements stronger socialist systems of control/abuse over the People. This is why, for example, we see the educational system degradated and being taken over by "wokism" (LGBTQ movement) to indoctrinate and groom the children. The globalists have introduced Marxism. It's a tactic being used for their national takeover(s). In particular, the Western system is becoming more of a centralized technocratic, fascist totalitarian dictatorship by the day.

It has taken decades to hijack and purposefully erode the capitalist system which is why it is practically unrecognizable today. This is what Trump and other world leaders on board with Trump are in the process of reversing right now (including getting rid of the privately owned globalist fiat debt-based currency system scam and replacing it with a gold-backed/asset-backed People's currency) and this is why there's such a push to wake up the world population so that people fight to take their respective countries back from the globalists.

Back to the people we get our news from... A lot of my concerns with people I get my news from is not so much about what they are saying but what they are NOT saying. It's about what they may be choosing to leave out on purpose and that is what raises my red flags on their character and agenda.

[Raskolnikov]

It is those who understand the truth, but still embrace darkness who we need to condemn and reject.

Bingo. Well said T Smith. Same people who led us to believe flouride is good for teeth, margarine is better than butter, egg whites are better than the yokes, taxes are the price we pay for civilized society, we evolved from apes, 2+2=5, and on and on and on...

But wait, getting s-faced on a Friday night, does that qualify as still embracing the darkness for someone who understands the truth:happythumbsup::cocktail:YES!

[Pris]

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There are many social commentators/influencers who are--I believe--genuinely waking up.
...

I hold no grudge for past ignorance...


If they don't own up to it and depending on the severity of their previous negative influence, I definitely hold a grudge. Countless lives have been torn apart and utterly destroyed thanks to brainwashed "useful idiots" who have helped to promote the globalist narrative.

[Dennis Leahy]

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There are many social commentators/influencers who are--I believe--genuinely waking up.
...

I hold no grudge for past ignorance...


If they don't own up to it and depending on the severity of their previous negative influence, I definitely hold a grudge. Countless lives have been torn apart and utterly destroyed thanks to brainwashed "useful idiots" who have helped to promote the globalist narrative.

Does this apply to Donald Trump as well? He was certainly a useful idiot for the fascist globalist Global Corporate Network with which his own corporation is a member, spearheading the largest military budget ever for the military-intelligence industrial complex, arming Saudi Arabia and having the US Navy participate in blockading humanitarian aid to Yemen as Saudi Arabia slaughtered them, going silent on 9/11 and becoming the next 9/11 coverup agent, placing sanctions (economic war, or 'war phase 1') on Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Syria, recognizing an opponent of Maduro as the real president of Venezuela and placing "narco-terrorism" indictments on Maduro and 13 of his cabinet members and generals, supporting the 'White Helmets' false flag fake gas attack in Syria, placing US troops in Syria to guard the theft by Israel of Syria's oil, supporting Israel's continuing slow genocide and theft of Palestine and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, murdering an Iranian general for Israel, conveniently looking the other way while Epstein was snuffed, sending in troops to crush the Standing Rock corporate pipeline protest, green-lighting and fast-tracking the covid-19 modRNA injections, and fomenting the arrest and imprisonment of Julian Assange...

(that's just off the top of my head)


What Jimmy Dore just did at the UN wasn't 'news' or whistleblowing, but it was a powerful public statement on record in front of the world. It will have zero impact on US foreign policy, because any form of dissent against the US government agenda and policies is totally ignored by the US government. What Jimmy did wasn't amazing because it will change the US government - it won't - but it was amazingly ballsy (maybe even life endangering or the last straw before crushing his voice) and certainly does have an impact on the common people. It bolsters and fortifies those of us who seek truth and have at least somewhat escaped the 'matrix', and possibly even tips the scales toward awakening to those on the fence.

I voted for Obama in 2008, (likely the last time I will ever vote) and only when he started announcing his cabinet member appointees (before his presidency even started) did I wake up. I lost all my Democrat former friends when I 'exposed' Obama for his actions. Can I ever be forgiven for my ignorance? How many of us can claim that we never got fooled by the most sophisticated psychological brainwashing machine in history? I don't know any.

I suggest that we celebrate the positive aspects of what Jimmy Dore just did, and not spend time poking at the historical scars of his former ignorance.

[Ewan]

It is ALL about forgiveness. Without forgiveness you are bound in perpetuity to the hamster-wheel of incarnation.

I was ignorant at 16.

I was ignorant at 25.

I was less ignorant at 32.

I was even less ignorant at 40 and probably thought I was awake - I wasn't!

By 50 I was approaching a degree of wisdom that was hitherto unattainable.

At 60+ I realise I know nothing!

It is frustrating to be unable to talk to my 16 yr old self, or my 21 yr old self, any of my previous me's. They are all around me in my daily interactions and their ears are open yet they cannot hear.

It is a familiar story.

[Pris]

.


.

There are many social commentators/influencers who are--I believe--genuinely waking up.
...

I hold no grudge for past ignorance...


If they don't own up to it and depending on the severity of their previous negative influence, I definitely hold a grudge. Countless lives have been torn apart and utterly destroyed thanks to brainwashed "useful idiots" who have helped to promote the globalist narrative.

Does this apply to Donald Trump as well? He was certainly a useful idiot for the fascist globalist Global Corporate Network with which his own corporation is a member, spearheading the largest military budget ever for the military-intelligence industrial complex, arming Saudi Arabia and having the US Navy participate in blockading humanitarian aid to Yemen as Saudi Arabia slaughtered them, going silent on 9/11 and becoming the next 9/11 coverup agent, placing sanctions (economic war, or 'war phase 1') on Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Syria, recognizing an opponent of Maduro as the real president of Venezuela and placing "narco-terrorism" indictments on Maduro and 13 of his cabinet members and generals, supporting the 'White Helmets' false flag fake gas attack in Syria, placing US troops in Syria to guard the theft by Israel of Syria's oil, supporting Israel's continuing slow genocide and theft of Palestine and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, murdering an Iranian general for Israel, conveniently looking the other way while Epstein was snuffed, sending in troops to crush the Standing Rock corporate pipeline protest, green-lighting and fast-tracking the covid-19 modRNA injections, and fomenting the arrest and imprisonment of Julian Assange...

(that's just off the top of my head)


What Jimmy Dore just did at the UN wasn't 'news' or whistleblowing, but it was a powerful public statement on record in front of the world. It will have zero impact on US foreign policy, because any form of dissent against the US government agenda and policies is totally ignored by the US government. What Jimmy did wasn't amazing because it will change the US government - it won't - but it was amazingly ballsy (maybe even life endangering or the last straw before crushing his voice) and certainly does have an impact on the common people. It bolsters and fortifies those of us who seek truth and have at least somewhat escaped the 'matrix', and possibly even tips the scales toward awakening to those on the fence.

I voted for Obama in 2008, (likely the last time I will ever vote) and only when he started announcing his cabinet member appointees (before his presidency even started) did I wake up. I lost all my Democrat former friends when I 'exposed' Obama for his actions. Can I ever be forgiven for my ignorance? How many of us can claim that we never got fooled by the most sophisticated psychological brainwashing machine in history? I don't know any.

I suggest that we celebrate the positive aspects of what Jimmy Dore just did, and not spend time poking at the historical scars of his former ignorance.


I haven't heard an interpretation of Trump's actions and foreign policy in quite the way you put it. To give a general response to all of that, I'll quote a couple of people here on the forum:





Politics makes strange bedfellows. Someone has to play ball with others they don't want to in order to get anything done



Or, alternatively, stand ground and don't play ball, and get impeached twice and politically prosecuted on fabricated charges, smeared by a corrupted propaganda juggernaut, be subjected to multiple assassination attempts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcztKVr5PDw), and indicted by a Banana Republic justice system multiple times.

Hmmm... wonder which is the road less traveled?


So, yeah... If Trump is a Deep State asset, the Deep State has a funny way of showing it.

Anyway, since you brought up mRNA injections, the thing to consider is that the fast-tracking of those injections may have been the better alternative to allowing the globalists to draw them out over a period of several years which appeared to be their agenda. And, to clarify, nobody was told those mRNA injections were mRNA injections. We found that out later as we were all told by the "experts" that those were SAFE AND EFFECTIVE VACCINES -- not gene-altering technology with self-assembling graphene oxide (when exposed to high EMFs) thrown in for good measure. That can't be laid on Trump's shoulders. He tried to get hydroxychlorquine out there but the politico-media complex was just too controlled by the Deep State and so he was publicly torn apart for suggesting it. Then, there was heavy internet censorship by the Deep State. None of us were even allowed to talk about hydroxychloroquine (that included Canada like many other countries). There was no other path Trump could take (and stay in office) than to give people some kind of "cure via injection" because the people -- all around the world -- were brainwashed to believe that only a "vaccine" would do the trick (Big Pharma is as powerful as they are corrupt). Trump had to do whatever he could to keep the US economy on its feet (and in turn the entire world) and get people back to work and living normal lives again out from under the boot of medical tyranny. Again, the Deep State (globalists) was/is in control of the legacy media and the propaganda messaging, not Trump. Despite that, remember that Trump did NOT mandate the shots. The Biden Admin and other globalist-controlled puppet governments around the world DID mandate them. As for Trump's Warp Speed, we really don't know what that first batch was all about (I heard that Trump had millions of hydroxychloroquine shots available). To lump that in with the globalist bio-weapon mRNA injection agenda that started decades ago (long before Trump came into the picture) -- that quickly escalated into (what they strove to make) a permanent timetable of mandated "miraculous" boosters that seemed to come out of nowhere and are remarkably easy to make and are remarkably lethal (NOT "safe and effective") -- isn't seeing the big picture.

We all know that politics is a game of hardball. There may be aspects to this game we are not privy to because we are not the ones playing in the front lines. If the world is a tanker that's off course, how do you steer it back on course? Small moves, strategic moves. Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.

Anyway, this is all off topic. This is about Jimmy Dore's zoom call(?) addressing the UN. I wouldn't even have come into this thread if John hadn't, literally, invited me in. ;p Again, I think Dore didn't do a bad job. It's about what he left out that raises my concerns.


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[Pris]

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It is ALL about forgiveness. Without forgiveness you are bound in perpetuity to the hamster-wheel of incarnation.


Interesting. I don't buy (or believe) that one. One way to steer people as a whole is to frighten them. For example: "You must be a God-fearing Christian and do God's will (whatever that is), or you will burn in Hell."

So, what you're saying is if a person doesn't do a certain thing (e.g. offer forgiveness), "...you are bound in perpetuity to the hamster-wheel of incarnation". To me, that sounds identical to "...do God's will, or you will burn in Hell".

These are social(ist) pressure techniques.

My own ability to personally choose whether or not to forgive is what gives me resolution, gives me strength and a firm foundation. From my perspective, having to "forgive" is not a requirement to "enlightenment".

When it comes to forgiveness, the way I see it, it doesn't really matter what others think. And, should I ever think I require forgiveness, I'm the only one who can give that to myself.


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[T Smith]

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There are many social commentators/influencers who are--I believe--genuinely waking up.
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I hold no grudge for past ignorance...

If they don't own up to it and depending on the severity of their previous negative influence, I definitely hold a grudge. Countless lives have been torn apart and utterly destroyed thanks to brainwashed "useful idiots" who have helped to promote the globalist narrative.

I was thinking, in particular, of Tucker Carlson, and specifically of his confessed contrition for past ignorance in this interview here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMajZX4m2Fw)

Frankly, I don't watch Jimmy Dore enough, or some others who appear to be waking up, to know if they've owned their past ignorance in a similar way. But overall, I would agree. Owning up to the ignorance is certainly an integral part of the process.

[Raskolnikov]

It is ALL about forgiveness. Without forgiveness you are bound in perpetuity to the hamster-wheel of incarnation.

I was ignorant at 16.

I was ignorant at 25.

I was less ignorant at 32.

I was even less ignorant at 40 and probably thought I was awake - I wasn't!

By 50 I was approaching a degree of wisdom that was hitherto unattainable.

At 60+ I realise I know nothing!

It is frustrating to be unable to talk to my 16 yr old self, or my 21 yr old self, any of my previous me's. They are all around me in my daily interactions and their ears are open yet they cannot hear.

It is a familiar story.

This was beautifully written Ewan. Thank you for the reminder. I viscerally learned the power of forgiveness very recently concerning the most traumatic event of my life some 20 years ago. Of course it was all my fault but I still held serious contempt for my adversary. It wasn't until 2020 when I finally, truly, forgave first myself, then her, for the incident and I've felt God-inspired guidance and power flowing through me ever since. It's a beautiful thing. Here's an example, I just found the greatest quotation from Carl Sagan last night in some random book: "The words "question" and "quest" are cognates. Only through inquiry can we discover the truth." I love discovering brilliance. That one really hit me, been on the quest for truth my whole life.

And I agree with your take too Pris, the whole incarnation/karma thing is a sticky mess, feel like I got caught in the taffy machine. I like to view it like Dolores Cannon laid out in the countless stories in her Convoluted Universe series, five gigantic books recounting fantastic lives and worlds and trauma and healing oneself by going within and Dolores always laughing and saying, "It wouldn't be a test if you already had all the answers."

But where this "globalist narrative" is concerned is even stickier, because how do you forgive such genocide and heartlessness and things that just don't seem possible for a human being? What if we truly have been invaded and they are doing sacrifices and eating flesh? How do we forgive that? How do you forgive those knowingly involved in pushing the jab? Do we forgive after we hang them or before?

Just a long-winded aside, back to topic:sherlock:

[Pris]

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And I agree with your take too Pris, the whole incarnation/karma thing is a sticky mess, feel like I got caught in the taffy machine. I like to view it like Dolores Cannon laid out in the countless stories in her Convoluted Universe series, five gigantic books recounting fantastic lives and worlds and trauma and healing oneself by going within and Dolores always laughing and saying, "It wouldn't be a test if you already had all the answers."

But where this "globalist narrative" is concerned is even stickier, because how do you forgive such genocide and heartlessness and things that just don't seem possible for a human being? What if we truly have been invaded and they are doing sacrifices and eating flesh? How do we forgive that? How do you forgive those knowingly involved in pushing the jab? Do we forgive after we hang them or before?

Just a long-winded aside, back to topic:sherlock:


(You're right, we should go back to topic but this is interesting. :thumbsup:)

Thanks, Raskolnikov. Everyone's journey is truly their own.

Forgiveness (towards an abuser)... can also set one up for repeated abuse.

When I analyze these kinds of subjects (e.g. political systems, social justice systems, religions, social and spiritual movements), I look to see if they have the earmarks of being just another way to manipulate and control the masses by a criminal "elite" class while keeping the masses impoverished (mentally, physically, spiritually). I look for societal ball and chain systems that only offer disempowering coping mechanisms for a traumatized population because it is made to feel fearful and helpless. Meanwhile... degrading, demoralizing bad behavior and criminal activity has always been rewarded when criminals control society. This continuously feeds the sick system and breaks it down even further. We, ourselves, either do something about it to stop it or nothing will ever change for the better.

For myself, forgiving others is not part of the equation.

By the way, I don't buy the whole incarnation/karma thing because if such a thing were true, why, for example, do we even bother rescuing sex-trafficked, tortured children? According to incarnation/karma, they must DESERVE it for so-called "past life transgressions" or they CHOSE in advance to be abused for some "greater mission" before "coming back to Earth" ... The kicker is nobody is supposed to remember anything from before let alone their mission. How convenient... It certainly makes an interesting albeit horrific story.

Generally, people tend to be easy targets for psychological manipulation.

Ever seen the movie "Cloud Atlas"? We can learn a lot from that chilling movie.



Human meat factory in Cloud Altas

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/8f/eb/ed8feb650a5ecbc7d99c6a5332f665bf.jpg



For what it's worth lol:

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[ExomatrixTV]

See also:


Whitewashed Lies (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122013-Whitewashed-Lies) :dog:

[gini]

"By the way, I don't buy the whole incarnation/karma thing because if such a thing were true, why, for example, do we even bother rescuing sex-trafficked, tortured children? According to incarnation/karma, they must DESERVE it for so-called "past life transgressions" or they CHOSE in advance to be abused for some "greater mission" before "coming back to Earth" ... The kicker is nobody is supposed to remember anything from before let alone their mission. How convenient... It certainly makes an interesting albeit horrific story." Quote Pris post 24


The idea of karma & reincarnation is not that it helps or that it is without conseqeunce to ignore the suffering of the victim ,but rather that such stiuation is always an invitation to help & support when we can.

The lack of love & compassion is the main reason why there is negative karma in the first place.And the experience of being cared for or being saved when in need , is usually healing and heart opening,wich is a good thing for the 'growth' of the soul.:sun:

[ExomatrixTV]

"By the way, I don't buy the whole incarnation/karma thing because if such a thing were true, why, for example, do we even bother rescuing sex-trafficked, tortured children? According to incarnation/karma, they must DESERVE it for so-called "past life transgressions" or they CHOSE in advance to be abused for some "greater mission" before "coming back to Earth" ... The kicker is nobody is supposed to remember anything from before let alone their mission. How convenient... It certainly makes an interesting albeit horrific story."

The idea of karma & reincarnation is not that it helps or that it is without conseqeunce to ignore the suffering of the victim ,but rather that such stiuation is always an invitation to help & support when we can.

The lack of love & compassion is the main reason why there is negative karma in the first place. And the experience of being cared for or being saved when in need , is usually healing and heart opening, which is a good thing for the 'growth' of the soul.:sun:

Maybe you can only climb up the ladder in "spiritual world" if you are willing to look at the truth of what you have done and when you do that here in the "physical 3D world" it is DIFFERENT from doing it in the "Afterlife" aka "4D/5D/6D Realm" ... The moment you are doing it in the afterlife you actually FEEL/EXPERIENCE the suffering you have done to other souls ... NOT because you are "forced" to do it but because that is how other dimensions work ... to better understand "the other" is "to be the other" having deeper shared feelings/insights/perspectives very similar to telepathy but 100s times stronger! ... And if you REFUSE to go through that process it will haunt you forever NOT because you are "punished" ... because you did it to yourself ... as "the other" is you too ... eventually you find out that we all are connected!

Do I make sense here?

cheers,
NDE'er John 🦜🦋🌳

[Raskolnikov]

"By the way, I don't buy the whole incarnation/karma thing because if such a thing were true, why, for example, do we even bother rescuing sex-trafficked, tortured children? According to incarnation/karma, they must DESERVE it for so-called "past life transgressions" or they CHOSE in advance to be abused for some "greater mission" before "coming back to Earth" ... The kicker is nobody is supposed to remember anything from before let alone their mission. How convenient... It certainly makes an interesting albeit horrific story."

The idea of karma & reincarnation is not that it helps or that it is without conseqeunce to ignore the suffering of the victim ,but rather that such stiuation is always an invitation to help & support when we can.

The lack of love & compassion is the main reason why there is negative karma in the first place.And the experience of being cared for or being saved when in need , is usually healing and heart opening,wich is a good thing for the 'growth' of the soul.:sun:

Maybe you can only climb up the ladder in "spiritual world" if you are willing to look at the truth of what you have done and when you do that here in the "physical 3D world" is DIFFERENT from doing it in the "Afterlife" aka "4D/5D/6D Realm" ... The moment you are doing it in the afterlife you actually will FEEL/EXPERIENCE the suffering you have done to other souls ... NOT because you are "forced" to do it but because that is how other dimensions work ... to better understand "the other" is "to be the other" having deeper shared feelings/insights/perspectives very similar to telepathy but 100s times stronger! ... And if you REFUSE to go through that process it will haunt you forever NOT because you are "punished" ... because you did it to yourself ... as "the other" is you too ... eventually you find out that we all are connected!

Do I make sense here?

cheers,
NDE'er John 🦜🦋🌳

Agree with you both wholeheartedly, but before Pris comes in and chokes someone out with her scissor legs, don't you think we need to drop the "savior complex?" I remember someone saying, "We are the ones we've been waiting for..."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9t5ikxjAQ4

[ExomatrixTV]

"By the way, I don't buy the whole incarnation/karma thing because if such a thing were true, why, for example, do we even bother rescuing sex-trafficked, tortured children? According to incarnation/karma, they must DESERVE it for so-called "past life transgressions" or they CHOSE in advance to be abused for some "greater mission" before "coming back to Earth" ... The kicker is nobody is supposed to remember anything from before let alone their mission. How convenient... It certainly makes an interesting albeit horrific story."

The idea of karma & reincarnation is not that it helps or that it is without conseqeunce to ignore the suffering of the victim ,but rather that such stiuation is always an invitation to help & support when we can.

The lack of love & compassion is the main reason why there is negative karma in the first place.And the experience of being cared for or being saved when in need , is usually healing and heart opening,wich is a good thing for the 'growth' of the soul.:sun:

Maybe you can only climb up the ladder in "spiritual world" if you are willing to look at the truth of what you have done and when you do that here in the "physical 3D world" is DIFFERENT from doing it in the "Afterlife" aka "4D/5D/6D Realm" ... The moment you are doing it in the afterlife you actually will FEEL/EXPERIENCE the suffering you have done to other souls ... NOT because you are "forced" to do it but because that is how other dimensions work ... to better understand "the other" is "to be the other" having deeper shared feelings/insights/perspectives very similar to telepathy but 100s times stronger! ... And if you REFUSE to go through that process it will haunt you forever NOT because you are "punished" ... because you did it to yourself ... as "the other" is you too ... eventually you find out that we all are connected!

Do I make sense here?

cheers,
NDE'er John 🦜🦋🌳

Agree with you both wholeheartedly, but before Pris comes in and chokes someone out with her scissor legs, don't you think we need to drop the "savior complex?" I remember someone saying, "We are the ones we've been waiting for..."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9t5ikxjAQ4


I am used to get critical feedback 24/7 my whole adult life and it is perfectly fine as "I do not have to please everyone"

[Pris]

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"By the way, I don't buy the whole incarnation/karma thing because if such a thing were true, why, for example, do we even bother rescuing sex-trafficked, tortured children? According to incarnation/karma, they must DESERVE it for so-called "past life transgressions" or they CHOSE in advance to be abused for some "greater mission" before "coming back to Earth" ... The kicker is nobody is supposed to remember anything from before let alone their mission. How convenient... It certainly makes an interesting albeit horrific story." Quote Pris post 24


The idea of karma & reincarnation is not that it helps or that it is without conseqeunce to ignore the suffering of the victim ,but rather that such stiuation is always an invitation to help & support when we can.

The lack of love & compassion is the main reason why there is negative karma in the first place.And the experience of being cared for or being saved when in need , is usually healing and heart opening,wich is a good thing for the 'growth' of the soul.:sun:


(Okay, if I'm not mistaken, we're successfully derailing this thread. :chuckle: Though John doesn't seem to mind too much and is also contributing... Maybe we ought to get a moderator to move this topic to another thread?)

My first thought is, "Why?" Why MUST the idea of karma and reincarnation (should they exist) ALWAYS be an invitation to help and support WHEN WE CAN? Because it's good for the 'growth' of the soul? Kind of sounds like a nice idea but on the other hand it comes across as a way to take advantage of people, to guilt them into expending energy on others instead of the self... Regardless, let's say we go with that... we might want to ask a psychopath who doesn't give a damn about being "good", enjoys being "evil", and who's killed a few people (for example) if they've had/continue to have OBEs (because that, for me, is a "good" sounding board lol). If the idea of OBEs is about raising one's frequency to do it (supposedly related to doing "good" for others), then that blows the idea out the window that "evil" people are trapped in a "lower vibrational dimension" and can't reach "enlightenment".

Here's a random thought based on another thing you said. The idea of being cared for or saved by someone else... What if the "correct path" is not to be saved by someone else and that when someone "saves" you, they're interfering with your own spiritual growth (assuming we have a spirit that needs to "grow"). What if pain and struggle is required to harden us if hardening is what is required? Ultimately, each one of us follows our own path, made up as we go along. Maybe there is no "right" or "wrong", judgement being illusion. Everything just is. Maybe it's about being okay with whatever the outcome may be. Regardless, I'd rather side on what I judge to be "good" even if it's all just a meaningless illusion that I have to inject some meaning into. That's just me. And, perhaps the meaning I inject into this existence (manifest) is the only thing that is real.

[Pris]

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"By the way, I don't buy the whole incarnation/karma thing because if such a thing were true, why, for example, do we even bother rescuing sex-trafficked, tortured children? According to incarnation/karma, they must DESERVE it for so-called "past life transgressions" or they CHOSE in advance to be abused for some "greater mission" before "coming back to Earth" ... The kicker is nobody is supposed to remember anything from before let alone their mission. How convenient... It certainly makes an interesting albeit horrific story."

The idea of karma & reincarnation is not that it helps or that it is without conseqeunce to ignore the suffering of the victim ,but rather that such stiuation is always an invitation to help & support when we can.

The lack of love & compassion is the main reason why there is negative karma in the first place. And the experience of being cared for or being saved when in need , is usually healing and heart opening, which is a good thing for the 'growth' of the soul.:sun:

Maybe you can only climb up the ladder in "spiritual world" if you are willing to look at the truth of what you have done and when you do that here in the "physical 3D world" it is DIFFERENT from doing it in the "Afterlife" aka "4D/5D/6D Realm" ... The moment you are doing it in the afterlife you actually FEEL/EXPERIENCE the suffering you have done to other souls ... NOT because you are "forced" to do it but because that is how other dimensions work ... to better understand "the other" is "to be the other" having deeper shared feelings/insights/perspectives very similar to telepathy but 100s times stronger! ... And if you REFUSE to go through that process it will haunt you forever NOT because you are "punished" ... because you did it to yourself ... as "the other" is you too ... eventually you find out that we all are connected!

Do I make sense here?

cheers,
NDE'er John 🦜🦋🌳


Assuming there's some kind of "afterlife"... What if psychopaths, for example, are just wired differently from the rest of us (mentally, spiritually) and it is flawed reasoning to assume that they can EVER feel the suffering of others? Maybe they're perfectly content to never change.

Also, in my strong opinion, no one need ever 'under stand" anyone for any reason. Having a shared, reflective adventure together to learn and grow -- if so desired -- is more acceptable to me. And, I'd rather share some fun while I'm at it. As for the suffering we cause others... I agree it's not right to cause suffering (should we care). You could even be entirely minding your own business and someone decides your existence alone causes them suffering. Now, with their perceived suffering, they want to pull you in and make you their victim, make you suffer (unless you can ignore them or else have to beat them off with a stick). It's all part of the risk of existing with others beings. There's never a dull moment.

[Pris]

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"By the way, I don't buy the whole incarnation/karma thing because if such a thing were true, why, for example, do we even bother rescuing sex-trafficked, tortured children? According to incarnation/karma, they must DESERVE it for so-called "past life transgressions" or they CHOSE in advance to be abused for some "greater mission" before "coming back to Earth" ... The kicker is nobody is supposed to remember anything from before let alone their mission. How convenient... It certainly makes an interesting albeit horrific story."

The idea of karma & reincarnation is not that it helps or that it is without conseqeunce to ignore the suffering of the victim ,but rather that such stiuation is always an invitation to help & support when we can.

The lack of love & compassion is the main reason why there is negative karma in the first place.And the experience of being cared for or being saved when in need , is usually healing and heart opening,wich is a good thing for the 'growth' of the soul.:sun:

Maybe you can only climb up the ladder in "spiritual world" if you are willing to look at the truth of what you have done and when you do that here in the "physical 3D world" is DIFFERENT from doing it in the "Afterlife" aka "4D/5D/6D Realm" ... The moment you are doing it in the afterlife you actually will FEEL/EXPERIENCE the suffering you have done to other souls ... NOT because you are "forced" to do it but because that is how other dimensions work ... to better understand "the other" is "to be the other" having deeper shared feelings/insights/perspectives very similar to telepathy but 100s times stronger! ... And if you REFUSE to go through that process it will haunt you forever NOT because you are "punished" ... because you did it to yourself ... as "the other" is you too ... eventually you find out that we all are connected!

Do I make sense here?

cheers,
NDE'er John 🦜🦋🌳

Agree with you both wholeheartedly, but before Pris comes in and chokes someone out with her scissor legs, don't you think we need to drop the "savior complex?" I remember someone saying, "We are the ones we've been waiting for..."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9t5ikxjAQ4


This is exactly what I'm talking about... to not be afraid to inject some humor into any situation is a great way to lighten things up! ROFLMAO! :thumb: (That's quite the death scene, isn't it? Fight like hell -- if you must go out against your will, I say go out kicking and screaming.)

Yes, definitely, I think we need to drop the "savior complex" lol! And, yes, I agree "we are the ones we've been waiting for". To simplify it further, I am the one I'm waiting for. It starts with me, it ends with me. I can only "save" myself. Full responsibility.

[Raskolnikov]

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"By the way, I don't buy the whole incarnation/karma thing because if such a thing were true, why, for example, do we even bother rescuing sex-trafficked, tortured children? According to incarnation/karma, they must DESERVE it for so-called "past life transgressions" or they CHOSE in advance to be abused for some "greater mission" before "coming back to Earth" ... The kicker is nobody is supposed to remember anything from before let alone their mission. How convenient... It certainly makes an interesting albeit horrific story." Quote Pris post 24


The idea of karma & reincarnation is not that it helps or that it is without conseqeunce to ignore the suffering of the victim ,but rather that such stiuation is always an invitation to help & support when we can.

The lack of love & compassion is the main reason why there is negative karma in the first place.And the experience of being cared for or being saved when in need , is usually healing and heart opening,wich is a good thing for the 'growth' of the soul.:sun:


(Okay, if I'm not mistaken, we're successfully derailing this thread. :chuckle: Though John doesn't seem to mind too much and is also contributing... Maybe we ought to get a moderator to move this topic to another thread?)

My first thought is, "Why?" Why MUST the idea of karma and reincarnation (should they exist) ALWAYS be an invitation to help and support WHEN WE CAN? Because it's good for the 'growth' of the soul? Kind of sounds like a nice idea but on the other hand it comes across as a way to take advantage of people, to guilt them into expending energy on others instead of the self... Regardless, let's say we go with that... we might want to ask a psychopath who doesn't give a damn about being "good", enjoys being "evil", and who's killed a few people (for example) if they've had/continue to have OBEs (because that, for me, is a "good" sounding board lol). If the idea of OBEs is about raising one's frequency to do it (supposedly related to doing "good" for others), then that blows the idea out the window that "evil" people are trapped in a "lower vibrational dimension" and can't reach "enlightenment".

Here's a random thought based on another thing you said. The idea of being cared for or saved by someone else... What if the "correct path" is not to be saved by someone else and that when someone "saves" you, they're interfering with your own spiritual growth (assuming we have a spirit that needs to "grow"). What if pain and struggle is required to harden us if hardening is what is required? Ultimately, each one of us follows our own path, made up as we go along. Maybe there is no "right" or "wrong", judgement being illusion. Everything just is. Maybe it's about being okay with whatever the outcome may be. Regardless, I'd rather side on what I judge to be "good" even if it's all just a meaningless illusion that I have to inject some meaning into. That's just me. And, perhaps the meaning I inject into this existence (manifest) is the only thing that is real.

Anyone else feeling those legs tightening around the throat? Excellent points Pris, love it all, but I'm not sure I want to consult with a psychopath, I'm all out of Chianti and see enough of that on the news. Have to agree with you though, this world will harden even the softest heart. Is that what's required? Are we here to toughen up? Who's to say? I've definitely been hardened, but I like to think of it like a diamond, pressure and time till we shine, though at times it feels more like being more tempered in ****, as George Carlin so aptly stated. Not an easy undertaking by any means. But I for one am intrigued, and think you're on point when you say you you'd rather side on what you judge to be "good." Anyone who has stared into the abyss and truly felt it staring back into them has most undoubtedly come to that inevitable conclusion, there is no meaning except what I create for myself. Kind of liberating really, just don't become a psychopath in the process. But I'm intrigued because I'm always searching for meaning and wonder what meaning you've managed to inject into this episode of the Twilight Zone we call life on Earth...

[Pris]

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Raskolnikovay, I may as well drop our continuing PM conversation into this thread. That way the topic will be all together should a moderator feel inclined to move it. Or not! :confused:)




Hi Pris, think we’re basically on the same page. Manipulation’s a mother and we’re getting high doses, everything used against us. I think of all the great inventions that could have us living in abundance if they hadn’t been stolen, if they hadn’t been siphoned away, inverted to their polar opposites, and weaponized against us. Our true nature is to live in abundance, for it’s all around us, and that’s exactly how they attempt to control us - scarcity. Everything we’re seeing today is being done to force us into scarcity in order to control us. Fear and scarcity, powerful tools for psychotic maggots who live on steaming pile.

I’ve had that same thought about karma and “why do we even bother…they must deserve it.” I do believe in incarnation because there’s just too much proof, I’ll give you a list if needed, but the karma thing is still troublesome. I’ve always distrusted organized religion and cults of any kind including culture. I’ve found through hard experience that, in this world, large like-minded crowds can be very dangerous things. What was it Mark Twain wrote, “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” Just more divide and conquer, you’re either with us or “you’re with the terrorists,” maybe pagans or heathens would apply better there but you get the point. Fear of hell is one hell of a drug. It also places you in a frightening new position: This is you’re only life, you only get one chance, hence throwing everyone into a whirlwind of fear and hyper-vigilant self-loathing for being a sinner, “Oh no, I’m going to hell!” And the downward cycle continues. They really outdid themselves there. And what’s worse, just like covid, a great majority fell for it.

But back to karma. I do think we need purpose and meaning in our lives. And I do think love is the most powerful thing that exists in this world, when we find a way to harness that this world will transform because isn’t that exactly how they transformed this world through the millennia - performing fear rituals on our sacred and powerful sites thus transforming those energies to their polar opposites? Which takes me back to forgiveness. I think there’s still so much we don’t comprehend in this world, how much of the visible light spectrum can we see? That’s about how much we comprehend of this world’s laws and intricately woven systems at the moment. I recall what someone (Joseph Campbell?) once put forth about forgiveness. And while maybe a little silly on the one hand, it was one of those “aha” moments as well. He sort of boiled the word down to it’s parts and focused on the difference between for-giving and for-getting - giving vs getting. Giving would come from love, while getting from greed and selfishness. Born with amnesia, odd. Who knows. Like Ewan said, the older ya get and the more you learn, the more you realize how little you truly know. But if incarnation is real, which is most definitely is, then wouldn’t there be a reason?

I’ll leave it there. Let me know you’re thoughts if you feel so inspired.


Greetings, Raskolnikov! :)

You're so right. We live in a world of abundance. So many people are entirely mind controlled with fear and "scarcity" that they can't see the evidence we have all around us. They believe what they've been conditioned to believe and that becomes their reality.

"Just more divide and conquer, you’re either with us or 'you’re with the terrorists...' " Indeed. Suggestion, accusation. It's always been fairly easy for me to spot that kind of mind manipulation to take away my personal power. No matter how it's disguised, a threat is a threat.

"...fear and hyper-vigilant self-loathing for being a sinner, 'Oh no, I’m going to hell!' And the downward cycle continues. They really outdid themselves there." Yep. This one has always struck me as obvious. It's crazy how obvious it is yet so many people don't see it.

This whole thing with karma and (re)incarnation. I took a bit of an interest in that (other people's stories, accounts) awhile back, but the way it was expressed, it just never stuck. For myself, I've always found ways to punch holes into those stories. There's definitely something going on when it comes to spirituality and I know that because I've had out-of-body experiences. I've "seen/conjured" weird, scary, and fantastic things.

Fundamentally, I think we are all conscious, aware, intentional, living, black holes. That's why, I think, there is an aspect of ourselves that goes far beyond the physical. For me, it's not so much a question of (re)incarnation (assuming it's true), but do we NEED to incarnate let alone here on planet Earth? And, the NECESSARY lost memory for some (because they believe that) but not for others (supposedly, according to their own stories), is problematic. Many people have mental issues and many don't even know it. Others are liars and make things up for profit/gain. Also, since my spiritual aspect seems to be able to "focus away" from the physical, there's no way to prove that upon complete physical death and spiritual separation from the body that my consciousness, memories, and ego will persist. Regardless, for me the fundamental part of it all is the ego/spirit, inextricably linked.

Would you be willing to take our two private messages (and previously related posts) and post them into some "spiritual" thread where we could continue this chat? If so, I could do that if you like and send you the link.


Cheers!

Pris



It's an interesting subject to be sure, like the spiritual side of fighting the globalist narrative, to fear or not to fear, so if you feel others would be game and get involved - fire away!

[gini]

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"By the way, I don't buy the whole incarnation/karma thing because if such a thing were true, why, for example, do we even bother rescuing sex-trafficked, tortured children? According to incarnation/karma, they must DESERVE it for so-called "past life transgressions" or they CHOSE in advance to be abused for some "greater mission" before "coming back to Earth" ... The kicker is nobody is supposed to remember anything from before let alone their mission. How convenient... It certainly makes an interesting albeit horrific story." Quote Pris post 24


The idea of karma & reincarnation is not that it helps or that it is without conseqeunce to ignore the suffering of the victim ,but rather that such stiuation is always an invitation to help & support when we can.

The lack of love & compassion is the main reason why there is negative karma in the first place.And the experience of being cared for or being saved when in need , is usually healing and heart opening,wich is a good thing for the 'growth' of the soul.:sun:


(Okay, if I'm not mistaken, we're successfully derailing this thread. :chuckle: Though John doesn't seem to mind too much and is also contributing... Maybe we ought to get a moderator to move this topic to another thread?)

My first thought is, "Why?" Why MUST the idea of karma and reincarnation (should they exist) ALWAYS be an invitation to help and support WHEN WE CAN? Because it's good for the 'growth' of the soul? Kind of sounds like a nice idea but on the other hand it comes across as a way to take advantage of people, to guilt them into expending energy on others instead of the self... Regardless, let's say we go with that... we might want to ask a psychopath who doesn't give a damn about being "good", enjoys being "evil", and who's killed a few people (for example) if they've had/continue to have OBEs (because that, for me, is a "good" sounding board lol). If the idea of OBEs is about raising one's frequency to do it (supposedly related to doing "good" for others), then that blows the idea out the window that "evil" people are trapped in a "lower vibrational dimension" and can't reach "enlightenment".

Here's a random thought based on another thing you said. The idea of being cared for or saved by someone else... What if the "correct path" is not to be saved by someone else and that when someone "saves" you, they're interfering with your own spiritual growth (assuming we have a spirit that needs to "grow"). What if pain and struggle is required to harden us if hardening is what is required? Ultimately, each one of us follows our own path, made up as we go along. Maybe there is no "right" or "wrong", judgement being illusion. Everything just is. Maybe it's about being okay with whatever the outcome may be. Regardless, I'd rather side on what I judge to be "good" even if it's all just a meaningless illusion that I have to inject some meaning into. That's just me. And, perhaps the meaning I inject into this existence (manifest) is the only thing that is real.

Yes Jimmy's thread is derailed now and morphed into the ultimate question of free will/destiny and karma/forgiveness. :blushing:


-first a disclaimer because i only described the logic of the theory of karma,i myself reserve the freedom to have no final conclusions since i dont know what i dont know..-


For the sake of trying to describe the undescribable,i make a dualistic distinction between the relative and the absolute. most of your statements are true from the level of the absolute; the good & evil opposites have only meaning in the relative world where we as humans label things for the sake of creating order out of chaos and having the experience of being a human dealing with the challenges of 'Maya'( the world/experience of illusions & limitations ) im saying good & evil have real meaning in our world ..

To survive in this fisical 3d world we got trained to operate as an autonome individual seperate being and the price we pay for getting overwhelmed by the sensations of the body - is that we sacrifice our awareness of being in essence the Absolute having a human experience.
That identification with being a separate fisical being is in the idea of karma the 'original sin' wich is then the cause of reincarnation.

Helping & getting help or caring & being cared for are beneficial in deepening the human experience and love can truly be the medicine the soul yearns for when it seeks redemption from the suffering of egoic needs & identifications.'bad' karma..


So no, i agree ,there are no 'obligations' but just invitations and opportunties ,experiences if you will and rescueing somebody (or an animal) or being rescued can make us more grateful ,more trustful and can heal old wounds.These are simply possibilities to have a less painful & a more joyful life.
Life is painful for everyone,no escape ,thats why we are here to make it less painful when we can.,thats not 'interference' its offering support when the heart:heart: tells someone needs it or someone asks for it.

Karma yoga is based on the idea that by giving service to others one liberates oneself of all egoic karma,similar to the the chrsitian teachings of practising unconditional love to enter the kingdom of heaven.

So believing in karma does not mean that its taking away the possibilties of growth for the sufferer when we offer help,but that the karma is most probably ripe for help, if not we wouldnt be there to bring it! You see what i mean?:sun:

[Pris]

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"By the way, I don't buy the whole incarnation/karma thing because if such a thing were true, why, for example, do we even bother rescuing sex-trafficked, tortured children? According to incarnation/karma, they must DESERVE it for so-called "past life transgressions" or they CHOSE in advance to be abused for some "greater mission" before "coming back to Earth" ... The kicker is nobody is supposed to remember anything from before let alone their mission. How convenient... It certainly makes an interesting albeit horrific story." Quote Pris post 24


The idea of karma & reincarnation is not that it helps or that it is without conseqeunce to ignore the suffering of the victim ,but rather that such stiuation is always an invitation to help & support when we can.

The lack of love & compassion is the main reason why there is negative karma in the first place.And the experience of being cared for or being saved when in need , is usually healing and heart opening,wich is a good thing for the 'growth' of the soul.:sun:


(Okay, if I'm not mistaken, we're successfully derailing this thread. :chuckle: Though John doesn't seem to mind too much and is also contributing... Maybe we ought to get a moderator to move this topic to another thread?)

My first thought is, "Why?" Why MUST the idea of karma and reincarnation (should they exist) ALWAYS be an invitation to help and support WHEN WE CAN? Because it's good for the 'growth' of the soul? Kind of sounds like a nice idea but on the other hand it comes across as a way to take advantage of people, to guilt them into expending energy on others instead of the self... Regardless, let's say we go with that... we might want to ask a psychopath who doesn't give a damn about being "good", enjoys being "evil", and who's killed a few people (for example) if they've had/continue to have OBEs (because that, for me, is a "good" sounding board lol). If the idea of OBEs is about raising one's frequency to do it (supposedly related to doing "good" for others), then that blows the idea out the window that "evil" people are trapped in a "lower vibrational dimension" and can't reach "enlightenment".

Here's a random thought based on another thing you said. The idea of being cared for or saved by someone else... What if the "correct path" is not to be saved by someone else and that when someone "saves" you, they're interfering with your own spiritual growth (assuming we have a spirit that needs to "grow"). What if pain and struggle is required to harden us if hardening is what is required? Ultimately, each one of us follows our own path, made up as we go along. Maybe there is no "right" or "wrong", judgement being illusion. Everything just is. Maybe it's about being okay with whatever the outcome may be. Regardless, I'd rather side on what I judge to be "good" even if it's all just a meaningless illusion that I have to inject some meaning into. That's just me. And, perhaps the meaning I inject into this existence (manifest) is the only thing that is real.

Yes Jimmy's thread is derailed now and morphed into the ultimate question of free will/destiny and karma/forgiveness. :blushing:


-first a disclaimer because i only described the logic of the theory of karma,i myself reserve the freedom to have no final conclusions since i dont know what i dont know..-


For the sake of trying to describe the undescribable,i make a dualistic distinction between the relative and the absolute. most of your statements are true from the level of the absolute; the good & evil opposites have only meaning in the relative world where we as humans label things for the sake of creating order out of chaos and having the experience of being a human dealing with the challenges of 'Maya'( the world/experience of illusions & limitations ) im saying good & evil have real meaning in our world ..

To survive in this fisical 3d world we got trained to operate as an autonome individual seperate being and the price we pay for getting overwhelmed by the sensations of the body - is that we sacrifice our awareness of being in essence the Absolute having a human experience.
That identification with being a separate fisical being is in the idea of karma the 'original sin' wich is then the cause of reincarnation.

Helping & getting help or caring & being cared for are beneficial in deepening the human experience and love can truly be the medicine the soul yearns for when it seeks redemption from the suffering of egoic needs & identifications.'bad' karma..


So no, i agree ,there are no 'obligations' but just invitations and opportunties ,experiences if you will and rescueing somebody (or an animal) or being rescued can make us more grateful ,more trustful and can heal old wounds.These are simply possibilities to have a less painful & a more joyful life.
Life is painful for everyone,no escape ,thats why we are here to make it less painful when we can.,thats not 'interference' its offering support when the heart:heart: tells someone needs it or someone asks for it.

Karma yoga is based on the idea that by giving service to others one liberates oneself of all egoic karma,similar to the the chrsitian teachings of practising unconditional love to enter the kingdom of heaven.

So believing in karma does not mean that its taking away the possibilties of growth for the sufferer when we offer help,but that the karma is most probably ripe for help, if not we wouldnt be there to bring it! You see what i mean?:sun:


I am fascinated by your responses and do appreciate them! (Your disclaimer has been noted! :thumb:)

The idea that we come to this 3D world and got "trained to operate" as individual and separate... As far back as I can remember, I've always been individual and separate. No one trained me to operate in such a way. I'm talking about the essence of who and what I am. In my awareness of who I am and what I am from the beginning, crawling on all fours, I've been steadfast, free. The only thing that's really changed is my ability to reasonably communicate that fact to others.

I've entered the "kingdom of heaven" with my ego in tact. The idea that there is some kind of requirement -- like service to others -- to "liberate" oneself of all so-called "egoic karma" in order to enter the "kingdom of heaven"... I see that as a guilt-trip for the masses to keep the individual person uncertain, fearful, and weak. I mean, if there's some kind of requirement, how would you ever know when enough is enough? That we are supposedly born with some kind of "karmic original sin" thanks to the ego? Talk about a demeaning guilt-trip right out of the hatch! This kind of rhetoric raises all kinds of red flags for me because my own personal experience has shown me that the "Christ" awareness has always been within me, that I am the "Christ", entirely singular and unique. My power and strength comes from the fact that I know myself and stand firm on my own ground, anchored -- on my own island in this sea of noise all around me. I was already complete and perfect coming here and I will leave here complete and perfect. My journey through life has simply reaffirmed this.

Meantime, while I'm here, it's fun to play with others and an absolute joy to love and be loved. I am the embodiment of intentional love and joy (my scissor legs not withstanding lol! Thanks for that one, Raskolnikov! =P). Here I am, an individual living spirit of nature and curiosity at play, with clearly defined boundaries but for love should I choose to give it. For me, pure love is the immeasurable driving creator force for all existence and appreciation thereof. Love is our connection and entanglement with one another.


I've seen "what can only be seen by the eyes of the blind in the middle of the night". There, in the ocean of my mind, I am the dragon who sits on my very own island! I've always known.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIEt6XaspwA

River of Dreams

Billy Joel, 1993



In the middle of the night
I go walking in my sleep
From the mountains of faith
To a river so deep

I must be looking for something
Something sacred I lost
But the river is wide
And it's too hard to cross

And even though I know the river is wide
I walk down every evening and I stand on the shore
And try to cross to the opposite side
So I can finally find out what I've been looking for

In the middle of the night
I go walking in my sleep
Through the valley of fear
To a river so deep

And I've been searching for something
Taken out of my soul
Something I would never lose
Something somebody stole

I don't know why I go walking at night
But now I'm tired and I don't want to walk anymore
I hope it doesn't take the rest of my life
Until I find what it is that I've been looking for

In the middle of the night
I go walking in my sleep
Through the jungle of doubt
To a river so deep

I know I'm searching for something
Something so undefined
That it can only be seen
By the eyes of the blind

In the middle of the night

I'm not sure about a life after this
God knows I've never been a spiritual man
Baptized by the fire, I wade into the river
That runs to the promised land

In the middle of the night
I go walking in my sleep
Through the desert of truth
To the river so deep

We all end in the ocean
We all start in the streams
We're all carried along
By the river of dreams

In the middle of the night

[Raskolnikov]

As far back as I can remember, I've always been individual and separate.

Individual - not divided from the all. We roam the world thinking we're separate - that's the great illusion, that's the spell they're casting. Break the spell.

So how 'bout that Jimmy Dore?

[Pris]

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As far back as I can remember, I've always been individual and separate.

Individual - not divided from the all. We roam the world thinking we're separate - that's the great illusion, that's the spell they're casting. Break the spell.

So how 'bout that Jimmy Dore?


As a separate entity, I've shaped the ether and roamed within my own "kingdom". It is the fact that I am spiritually separate and entirely responsible for myself that makes me so special and unique. My identity, my awareness... I am central, within my own sphere. From my sphere, I am capable of generating and projecting love. It's the love that permeates and connects us.

Jimmy? I'm glad he exists within his own sphere. ;)

[Raskolnikov]

We all end in the ocean
We all start in the streams
We're all carried along
By the river of dreams

Not a huge Billy Joel fan but can appreciate good writing. Scanned and landed on the last stanza and thought, "'River of dreams,' what a great song title, went back to look and bingo. Creation is so powerful, never feel so alive as when I'm creating, whether writing, or making music, or just dreaming - asleep or awake. We're the creators, created to create in the image of our creator. My mom was a concert pianist and I'm truly grateful for what she bestowed upon me, a love of music, an appreciation for the beautiful, and I'm glad I had a chance to tell her before the shot killed her. My wife just informed me of a news story describing spiders raining from the sky and sharks swimming in the subways of NYC. I really don't know where I am anymore. Is this what happens when our power of creation has been hijacked and steered in the wrong direction? Because I'm not sure an island dragon with scissor legs was in the contract :peep:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok13iv6jh6o

[Pris]

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We all end in the ocean
We all start in the streams
We're all carried along
By the river of dreams

Not a huge Billy Joel fan but can appreciate good writing. Scanned and landed on the last stanza and thought, "'River of dreams,' what a great song title, went back to look and bingo. Creation is so powerful, never feel so alive as when I'm creating, whether writing, or making music, or just dreaming - asleep or awake. We're the creators, created to create in the image of our creator. My mom was a concert pianist and I'm truly grateful for what she bestowed upon me, a love of music, an appreciation for the beautiful, and I'm glad I had a chance to tell her before the shot killed her. My wife just informed me of a news story describing spiders raining from the sky and sharks swimming in the subways of NYC. I really don't know where I am anymore. Is this what happens when our power of creation has been hijacked and steered in the wrong direction? Because I'm not sure an island dragon with scissor legs was in the contract :peep:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok13iv6jh6o


Very sorry to hear about your mom.

We are, each one of us, important beyond measure. If this is all a battle for our souls (some people like to take that angle), I've concluded that no one else can save me but me. I came in alone, I'll go out alone. Compared to that, all the noise going on "out there" doesn't matter. Be brave, let go of fear.

From my point of view, yes, we are all creators. I'll take it a step further. We are all creators because we are, each one of us in our own right, the Creator. There is no singular Creator. Hey, just off the top of my head, I remember the original translation of the bible said THEY (the Elohim) created the heavens and the earth. Some human "elitist" scum may very well be keeping the rest of humanity in the dark on purpose... or we're suffering from some kind of amnesia and forgot that we (if not along with all other life forms [spirit energy forms]) created the heavens and the earth.


Who put that propaganda piece together? Btw, Dore is not fond of Trump. The art of sneaking one in: "We have corporate rule for one big corrupt cabal." And, there we are shown a picture of Trump standing next to Bill and Hillary Clinton SUGGESTING Trump is part of the corrupt cabal and they're all in bed together lol. Think I'd miss that one? Guilt by association? Nope, don't think so.
Maybe Trump is chumming around with them so he can take them out in a future sting operation. :)
Maybe in the moment that picture was taken, Trump is warning Bill to remove his hand or he'll knock his teeth out. :)

We could interpret the meaning of that picture a million different ways and still be no closer to the truth.

[T Smith]

Btw, Dore is not fond of Trump. The art of sneaking one in: "We have corporate rule for one big corrupt cabal." And, there we are shown a picture of Trump standing next to Bill and Hillary Clinton SUGGESTING Trump is part of the corrupt cabal and they're all in bed together lol. Think I'd miss that one? Guilt by association? Nope, don't think so.

As I've mentioned before, I don't watch enough of Jimmy Dore to know this for sure, but my feeling is, just from what I have seen, yes, he wasn't a fan of Trump. But that interview with Oliver Stone was three years ago. It seems to me his understanding is evolving. Everything I've heard from him of late indicates to me he understands he may have been "wrong" about Trump.

Could he be waking up?

[Raskolnikov]

Btw, Dore is not fond of Trump. The art of sneaking one in: "We have corporate rule for one big corrupt cabal." And, there we are shown a picture of Trump standing next to Bill and Hillary Clinton SUGGESTING Trump is part of the corrupt cabal and they're all in bed together lol. Think I'd miss that one? Guilt by association? Nope, don't think so.

As I've mentioned before, I don't watch enough of Jimmy Dore to know this for sure, but my feeling is, just from what I have seen, yes, he wasn't a fan of Trump. But that interview with Oliver Stone was three years ago. It seems to me his understanding is evolving. Everything I've heard from him of late indicates to me he understands he may have been "wrong" about Trump.

Could he be waking up?

You can tell by the way he reacts to a lot of what he presents that he's only recently awakened to the lies of the one party system and the inversion of reality/nwo narrative. He appears truly surprised, like he's uncovered something new. He doesn't like Trump because he's still a liberal at heart and having trouble coping with the realization that liberalism has changed, that the people who used to say "question authority" are now the obedient/dangerous useful idiots. He still believes in free heatlh care without realizing that our health care system is pure poison and in bed with Big Pharma. Agree with you T Smith, I think he's waking up, he's definitely seeing what a corrupt sock puppet Biden is so that's a good start.

[gini]

Russia Russia gate & the TDS woke him up to the monstrous lies of the media and the dangerous bloodthirsty hysteria on "the left' made him aware that he was on the wrong side of history.

Then with the scamdemic he got redpilled when he saw that his collegue comedians were all selfcensoring themselves and when he saw that they even went in full fascist mode against the unjabbed his tone changed and he became a passionate voice for resistance.
Since his eyes were fully opened to the sinister globalist agenda he is sharing his realisations with his growing audience ,sharing a similar position as Tucker and Russell Brand by redpilling the slowly awakening hypnotized 'normies' who are still sitting on the fence.

His light hearted ,sincere and sometimes funny comments are a succesful recepy for opening people's mind and slowly melting their cognitive dissonance.

He is inviting Presidential candidates to debate their positions and i think he could be the right moderator to expose their real face & intentions ,like what he did with Cornel west.. - --j7qxny4jNg Jimmy Dore To Moderate Presidential Debate!

Oct 6, 2023 #TheJimmyDoreShow
If you could have your choice of who would moderate a presidential debate, who would you choose? If you answered, “Jimmy Dore,” you’re in luck because Christina Tobin and her Free & Equal Elections Foundation will host its first U.S. presidential debate for the 2024 election season in LA this December with none other than Jimmy Dore as one of the three moderators.

Jimmy and guests Craig Jardula talk to Tobin about how the debate is coming together, who else will be there and why Jimmy was chosen as moderator.

[norman]

Jimmy Dore Interview - The Fight For #OccupiedPalestine & The Information War Surrounding it
TheLastAmericanVagabond

https://rumble.com/v3oczom-jimmy-dore-interview-the-fight-for-occupiedpalestine-and-the-information-wa.html

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[norman]

He’s Saying, “oh My God, People Are Rising Up Against The System We’ve Entrapped Them In. People Are Rising Up Against It”

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Hi-Rez & Jimmy Levy - Welcome To The Revolution

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[gini]

n7g5oAcvRiI 19/12/23--Jimmy asking the important questions and lets the candidates talk and listens carefully,then confronting them calmly and exposes their real face like noone else does.:clapping:

[ExomatrixTV]

Jimmy Dore August 2025:

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