Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[grapevine]

A superb video by Abby Martin made seven years ago but has yet to be posted to the forum. It packs a lot of history into 22 minutes.

I have yet to use the words "ethnic cleansing" to describe the way the Palestinians have been treated by Zionists in the last nine decades, but after watching this video, it should seems like a fair and descriptive term for what has been happening, at least in the 1930s and 1940s.



Thanks Kryztian - the video is excellent. Did you notice the part where Abby Martin narrated "The early zionists promised to make Palestine a "vanguard against barbarism". Coincidental or what?

[shaberon]

White phosphorus (phôs-phoros = Luci-fer) has already started raining down on the Palestinian leftovers.


Fortunately, this meant the Evening Star for, pretty much the whole course of Greek speech, until the advent of the periodic table. Unless I am mistaken, the bombs are not actually filled with pieces of Venus.

"Primitive" man probably could not have used the stuff. You all are aware that Phosphorous exposed to air will combust, just like Sodium?

Greek Fire, now there was a history-changing military upgrade. Willie Pete has not done much but inflict casualties.


From the PM of Malaysia (https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/10/16/712850/Malaysia-Anwar-Ibrahim-Hamas):

“I said that we, as a policy, have a relationship with Hamas from before, and this will continue.”



The most likely copycat scenario is well underway by that seller of her soul, India (https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/10/16/712837/how-india-abandoned-its-traditional-pro-palestine-policy-under-modi-govt):



The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), which is the ideological parent organization of India’s ruling party BJP, has been accused in India of fueling anti-Muslim violence.

Many human rights activists have even drawn parallels between “Hindutva and Zionism.”

It was in 1992 that India and Israel normalized relations, but after the BJP government took over in 2014, Modi became the first Indian Prime Minister to visit the occupied territories, a departure from the policy pursued by his predecessors since 1948.

“With the rise of the BJP to power, things have definitely changed as the two countries have now stronger relations,” Rahman said. “There’s a personal bond between Modi and Netanyahu, and both sides are also doing that.”

“India under Modi found itself attracted to Israel, which “tackled” the (Muslim) Palestinians the way Hindutva fanatics would like to tackle the Muslims of India,” he remarked.

Zionism and Hindutva

In India, Islamophobia has become a serious issue in recent years, fanned by the Hindutva ideology that lies at the heart of the policies pursued by the incumbent BJP government,

The Hindu nationalist government in New Delhi seeks to establish a Hindu-dominated nation and marginalize religious minorities, especially Muslims, who have witnessed a surge in hate speech perpetuated by Hindu extremist groups in recent years.

The unrelenting calls for genocide against minority Muslims by BJP leaders, and other right-wing forces, have exposed the grave threat that Islamophobia poses to India’s social fabric.

According to Khan, Hindutva and the Zionist ideologies go together, as the binding factor for both is animosity towards Islam and Muslims.

“BJP and Hindutva suffer from strong Islamophobia, and any country or power they perceive as “anti-Muslim” is automatically their great friend. Both Modi and Netanyahu share a disdain for Muslims and Islam, and this is a key reason for their bonhomie,” Khan told the Press TV website.

“They (Hindutva supporters) look at Israel in great admiration, for it has subdued a “Muslim” nation. Hindutva wants to replicate the same model in India, though the situation in India is totally different from what prevails in the occupied territories.”

New Delhi is today the biggest and most dependable purchaser of Israeli-made weapons, spending in excess of $ 1 billion per year, according to weapons monitors.

India was not always a supporter of the Israeli regime. It opposed the creation of Israel and backed the rights of Palestinian refugees displaced by the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

The first prime minister of India, Jawaharlal Nehru, and the country’s independence leader Mahatma Gandhi, had both expressed their sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians.

“The time has changed (for India), the time Nehru was there, was a different time. During the Janta Party period, then-foreign minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee (former Prime Minister and a senior leader of the BJP) had very clearly stated that "Israel will have to vacate the land occupied by the Arabs," Rahman said while referring to Vajpayee’s 1977 speech.


Israel is a pebble that could be tossed away in a matter of hours.

Pakistan is fairly large with a nuclear arsenal.

I do not think India will do much to China over a few miles of border in a mountainous desert, but what may happen to Pakis or Muslims in general is under a lot of suspicion right now.

[gini]

/gL4KG5KPRPPk/. -45 min--14/10/23--Max Igan perspective on all the signs of a false flag operation & exposing the many obvious lies..

[John Hilton]

Ben Fulford Report on the Israel situation, Tue, Oct 16, 2023

As always, take this with a large pinch of salt. Some of it is undoubtedly true. Use your discernment.

First, the partial report which will be complete on Thursday:
https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2023/10/benjamin-fulford-october-16th-2023-cult-of-baal-stages-mass-sacrifice-of-jews-and-palestinians-in-doomed-attempt-to-get-money/

The complete report in German (you can use a translator plugin):

https://liebe-das-ganze.blogspot.com/2023/10/benjamin-fulford-wochenbericht-vom-16.html

The complete report in English, minus some images and videos (PDF):

https://files.catbox.moe/fbp040.pdf

The originating site: https://benjaminfulford.net

[shaberon]

Egad.


Ben has gone beyond the beyond.

Now it is satan Satan satan all over the page.

This is a sure sign that someone is clueless.

For this Holy Devil, at least we get a corroborating link.

Picture on Christians for Truth (https://christiansfortruth.com/turkish-police-recover-stolen-jewish-torah-scrolls-decorated-with-satanic-illuminati-symbology/) is not a 2,000 year old artifact.

But...that site at least does have a corroborating link...

...to an inside source, RT (https://www.rt.com/news/423513-ancient-bible-confiscated-turkish-police/):


Police in Turkey have reportedly seized an ancient leather-bound bible during a routine traffic stop in the country's central province of Nigde on Saturday.

Though it is not known exactly how old the bible is at this point, early reports indicate that it has ‘historical value.’ The manuscript is written on leather with pictures showing what appear to be figures associated with Christianity.


The origin of the bible is also still a mystery, however, the smuggling of historical artifacts into Turkey from neighboring war-torn Syria has reportedly increased significantly since the civil war broke out over seven years ago.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaNiXUbWkAE1QsC?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaNiXROWAAIBj2h?format=jpg&name=360x360




It's a freaking Bible. Then he quotes Acts 7:43. The Book of Acts is freaking fiction. There's some Christian truth.

Plain truth is an inverted 2018 RT article...should have erased that one, it took me about ten seconds to figure this out.

He goes on to suggest some of the highest-ranking pseudo-Christian frauds:



Read John Robison’s 1798 book Proofs Of A Conspiracy (PDF here) for more information on how the judeo-masonic conspiracy was first revealed to the world.

And then 100 years later, that conspiracy was confirmed when the Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion were leaked, which is well documented in the essential book Waters Flowing Eastward by L. Fry (aka Paquita de Shishmareff).



There is so much fascist paranoia in that article I could not continue to see if there was anything useful he said.

What will it take for this debris to lose its value?

It has intellectual value, in the sense that so many wrong points can be easily refuted, and the culprit at the end of the tunnel is not Khazarian Mafia, but plain old Judeo-Christianity.

Misdirection. Works the same way I do. Such as:


I have been accused hundreds if not thousands of times for things which I never did.

I have never been accused of the things I actually did.



Fortunately, the wrongs I committed were without victims and never hurt anybody. The Jews of Satan are nothing and powerless without the English Bible, which I might rank as the most dangerous book in history. It has greater reach than the Latin one.



As a suggestion, for someone with formerly Twitter/X, I would recommend bringing in posts from SyrianPerspective.

Ten years ago, it was a high quality blog comparable to The Saker, and I probably learned more about Syria from this one person than from the entire world combined. But as far as I know, the original website is gone, and now just a series of posts on that platform. SyrianGirlPartisan is also very apt, but this one is, in a sense, bigger and more comprehensive, and certainly unfriendly towards Muslim Brotherhood, which as many of you know is the complication between Hamas and some neighboring states.

As for the notion of "control", let me point out that we have just seen multiple African countries take training and funding from the U. S., and wake up one day and overthrow the Americans.

I don't claim to know what Hamas is "really up to", but I do know that you won't get thousands of people to commit an armed invasion without a good reason, which I suspect would be other than "Netanyahu said so". It might actually be resistance.


Protest in Mumbai, India (https://english.almanar.com.lb/1935298) consists of one person.

https://english.almanar.com.lb/framework/includes/uploads/2023/10/manar-02036310016973871761-e1697387198233.jpeg




One hour ago (https://english.almanar.com.lb/1937553):


In a recent interview with the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA), Iran’s Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian stated that a preemptive strike against ‘Israel’ is still a possibility in the coming hours. The statement comes after Abdollahian held meetings with top regional and international officials.



Ready to find out what it means?

[Agape]

Evolution of human consciousness is inevitable owing to the opportunity of internet connectedness and rising literacy quotient exponentially ,

let’s observe that average human intelligence is rising together with expanding global awareness at the same time edging with reimaginations of AI ,
futuristic visions and technologies , enhancing mental skills in search for new pathways and solutions.

Zooming on the evolution of human religiosity and spirituality over centuries, and millennia , it is now finally clear again that everything: every faith, every mental faculty, every ritual , language and prayer, every robe and metaphor and symbol is a state of Art that transforms and evolves ,
alongside human psycho-spiritual , ethical - moral , social and other kinds of tribal evolution towards ...

the Law of One

the 10-12-72-722 or any number of Guarding Principles

and kindness to Life in its countless forms

—————

There’s a glimmer of Hope , in my opinion

that human collective - archaic and futuristic blended with reality present super consciousness achieves the understanding of itself

as One Unit , working under the same guarding principles
and accelerating its/their evolution knowingly,
consciously towards the Law of One

earlier than they would take
wrong or deceitful path to self destruction.

We can not live without evolution , the right to study and evolve our minds on all levels including the one level who is part of Universal Intelligence who birthed or created us , taken care of us when the world has failed
and granted us every ability to learn ,
move ahead towards its wonders.

We are now choosing between ..

adherence to One which is Truth

and

“No truth at all” which is agnostic logical glitch some pundits can not get logically err over


So hope we all , choose wisely





That said , if some readers do not understand me now there’s always a chance that they will get to the same point tomorrow.


So sorry we are not there yet

🙏✨🌈

[PathWalker]

Many Israeli internal political indications the US is governing and controlling the Israeli strategy. Allowing Israeli army to control the tactics.

So much for Arab solidarity with the "beloved - destructive" Palestinians.
https://english.ahram.org.eg/News/510378.aspx


AP , Tuesday 17 Oct 2023
King Abdullah II of Jordan has said at a meeting with German Chancellor OIaf Scholz in Berlin that neither Jordan nor Egypt would be willing to take in any Palestinian refugees.

One would wonder why ?

If you want to understand what is going in Israel. You need to study and experience Arab culture.
Good luck with Modern/Western moral values in Belgium as well (un-related to the middle east of course).

[norman]

https://english.almanar.com.lb/framework/includes/uploads/2023/10/manar-02036310016973871761-e1697387198233.jpeg



I wonder where the original Palestinian 'jews' went to. I sometimes consider a possibility that those of them who were not migrated away or taken as slaves and redistributed worldwide may actually have interbred with Arabs locally and their descended genetics are among the 'Palestinians' the Khazarian impostor 'jews' have got packed into ghettos for extermination. After all, if you are intent on stealing, wholesale, the identity and 'inheritance' of a whole race of people, you will eventually have to eliminate that race, even if it's genetics are now mixed.

[Agape]

Test . Yes from what I have understood from live people who have been through the Israeli military duty in young age of 19 or earlier,

the army training is programmed , the programming comes from the US originally
and it leaves very little own space or space for mistakes.

So even as a commander, suppose you would decide to “do the mistake” and stop the war the thousand people behind you will seamlessly continue in action , like avatars in computer game.

So say my friends who have been “there”. I think it’s ok to say.


🐳

[norman]

President Biden to visit Israel on Wednesday: Sec. Blinken

VXGjH9tHM9E


BUT

https://t.me/HammerTimeQNews/20411
HammerTimeQNews/20411

[Tintin]

Clare Daly - turn the volume up :muscle:

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[Apulu]

/gL4KG5KPRPPk/. -45 min--14/10/23--Max Igan perspective on all the signs of a false flag operation & exposing the many obvious lies..

I like Max but I find it bizarre and irresponsible for him to say with absolute certainty that Gaza is about to be wiped out, with every man, woman and child left there killed by the Israeli army. What the HELL is he talking about? That would certainly decide what the world changing event being predicted actually is, for sure... But what the hell?

Not even Israel is that stupid or war hungry. Am I wrong to not consider this a possibility? I don't think there's the slightest chance that's about to happen. If I'm right, Max's incredible hyperbole does absolutely no one any favours. If I'm wrong, and he's right, the world as we have known it is apparently over.

[SilentFeathers]

/gL4KG5KPRPPk/. -45 min--14/10/23--Max Igan perspective on all the signs of a false flag operation & exposing the many obvious lies..

I like Max but I find it bizarre and irresponsible for him to say with absolute certainty that Gaza is about to be wiped out, with every man, woman and child left there killed by the Israeli army. What the HELL is he talking about? That would certainly decide what the world changing event being predicted actually is, for sure... But what the hell?

Not even Israel is that stupid or war hungry. Am I wrong to not consider this a possibility? I don't think there's the slightest chance that's about to happen. If I'm right, Max's incredible hyperbole does absolutely no one any favours. If I'm wrong, and he's right, the world as we have known it is apparently over.

He's an idiot for saying these things.

Israel has already succeeded for the most part to get about a million Palestinians to move out of the direct line of fire.

There's more of a possibility of Biden loading all of these people up on these two carrier fleet ships, other ships, multiple airlines, and bringing them back to the US and giving them free cell phones, health insurance, monthly checks, and sending them to any US city of their choice. A free ride to the US and asylum is way more of a probable outcome than Israel killing every last one of them.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.

[Bill Ryan]

Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.Well, one issue is that most of the Gazans had no idea Hamas was going to do this, and had they known they might well not have approved. Most Palestinians living there are just like you and me. :flower:

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting heads-up today from The Moon of Alabama.

As a personal comment, I think it has to be noted that Biden needs a new war, seeing as the proxy war with Russia is lost, and the planned war with China (if it happens) won't be till 2025 or later.


https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/us-deploys-large-force-eyes-on-syria.html#more

U.S. Deploys Large Force - Eyes on Syria

The U.S. has recently moved way too many troops to the Middle East to be of peaceful purpose or to simply deter others from action.

Who does it intend to fight?

Arms Airlift to Israel, Bombers in Jordan, Two Carriers: U.S. Deploying More Forces to Mideast (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-10-16/ty-article/airlift-to-israel-bombers-in-jordan-two-carriers-u-s-deploying-more-forces-to-mideast/0000018b-385d-d450-a3af-795de1010000) - Haaretz
Last week, the United States deployed the aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford and its strike group to the eastern Mediterranean. The USS Ford carries about 80 combat aircraft, electronic warfare and intelligence planes. It is accompanied by five advanced missile-guided ships, armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles capable of hitting targets inside Iran. According to satellite images, the USS Ford is about 180 kilometers south-west of Cyprus. P-8 maritime reconnaissance aircraft with anti-submarine, anti-ship capabilities are patrolling around the group.
...
Over the weekend, a second carrier strike group, led by the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, was dispatched to the Eastern Mediterranean and is due to arrive later this month.Each carrier strike group also includes one or two submarines. Next to various support planes each carrier has a 'wing' of fighter planes consisting of four squadrons with 12 fighter jets each.

There is more ...

Since the Hamas attack on October 7, the U.S. has dispatched a large number of jets to the Middle East in order to “bolster the U.S. defense posture,” as the U.S Central Command has put it. A squadron of U.S. F-15E Strike Eagle bombers based in Britain was deployed over the weekend at the Muwaffaq Salti Air Base east of the Jordanian capital of Amman. Another squadron of A-10 attack aircraft has also been deployed there.
An impressive airlift to Israel should be added to this list. According to online aviation tracking websites, at least 11 U.S. C-17 heavy-transport aircraft landed over the past 10 days at Israel's Ben Gurion airport and Israeli Air Force’s Nevatim base.
...
In addition to fighter and transport aircraft, two Rivet Joint reconnaissance aircraft belonging to the U.S. and British air forces have been operating off the coast of Israel in recent days.
Each regular Air-Force squadron has 24 fighter planes.

That's not all yet ...
Amichai Stein @AmichaiStein1 - 15:39 UTC · Oct 16, 2023 (https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1713942652360564955) WSJ: US military has selected roughly 2,000 troops to prepare for a potential deployment to support Israel in missions like advising and medical support. They aren't intended to serve in a combat role and no infantry have been put on prepare-to-deploy order.
The above troops are probably not really relevant unless they come under fire and get killed. But the following ones are real combat ground forces and not just support:
OSINTdefender @sentdefender - 15:59 UTC · Oct 16, 2023 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1713947743897456941)
According to multiple U.S. Defense Officials, the the Bataan Amphibious-Ready Group consisting of the USS Bataan (LHD-5) and USS Carter Hall (LSD-50) as well as roughly 2,500 Marines with the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit are now en-route towards the Eastern Mediterranean from the Arabian Sea, where she will link back up with the USS Mesa Verde (LPD-19) who has Finished her “Mid-Deployment Repair Period” in Spain early and is already steaming across the Mediterranean.
There are also several thousand U.S. troops in Iraq and Syria and on several bases in Turkey and in various Gulf countries.

I agree with Will Schryver:
Will Schryver @imetatronink - 17:10 UTC · Oct 16, 2023 (https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1713965563545026831) So ... a large amphibious assault flotilla will join the two carrier battle groups assembling in the eastern Mediterranean. Many believe this is just "power-projection posturing". I find that explanation deficient.
This is a war fleet. And Hamas is NOT its target.
Hamas isn't the target.

On Sunday, in a stilted 60 Minutes interview (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-joe-biden-2023-60-minutes-transcript/), President Joe Biden pointed north:
Scott Pelley: Would you support Israeli occupation of Gaza at this point? President Biden: I think it'd be a big mistake. Look, what happened in Gaza, in my view, is Hamas and the extreme elements of Hamas don't represent all the Palestinian people. And I think that...It would be a mistake to...for Israel to occupy...Gaza again. We...but going in but taking out the extremists the Hezbollah is up north but Hamas down south. Is a necessary requirement.
...
Scott Pelley: And you believe Israel would pursue [the two state solution] that after what's occurred--
President Biden: Not now. Not now. Not now, but-- but I think Israel understands that a significant portion of Palestinian people do not share the views of Hamas and Hezbollah. Hezbollah is a powerful Islamist militia to Israel's north which is armed and trained by Iran. Iran also supports Hamas.
Scott Pelley: There's limited fighting already on the northern Israeli border, and I wonder what is your message to Hezbollah and its backer, Iran?
President Biden: Don't. Don't, don't, don't.
Scott Pelley: Don't come across the border? Don't escalate this war?
President Biden: That's right.
If attacked Hizbullah, with 100,000 missiles, would destroy Israel. I therefore do not believe that Hizbullah in Lebanon is the real operational target Biden has in mind.

Hizbullah can not be deterred from attacking Israel. If it wants and needs to it will inevitably do so, and do so successfully. It has hidden its forces and weapons either underground or within the population of Beirut and southern Lebanon. Bombing them does not make sense. There is also the fact that the last U.S. intervention in Lebanon infamously ended with lots of dead Marines and an embarrassing retreat from the country. I do not think that the U.S. wants to repeat that experience.

Iran, another potential target, is too difficult to attack. It can effectively retaliate over a large area causing huge damage to any U.S. installation in the Middle East. It could also hike oil prices at a time when the Biden administration is urgently trying to lower them.

That is why I believe that the real aim of this build-up is to finally 'regime change' Syria and to kick out the Russian forces who are there to support its government.
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com - 17:39 UTC · Oct 9, 2023 (https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1711436143852486849) Israeli warning to Hezbollah: IDF will destroy Damascus, target Syrian President Assad if Hezbollah joins war; US warships will support Israel in war. Message relayed via France (@ynetalerts)
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com - Oct 9 (https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1711433003627397516)
IDF instructs Israelis to prepare for 3-day stay in bomb shelters/secure rooms, ensure supply of food, water, battery-run devices in case power is down. This is a clear indication of imminent escalation into larger war.The recent Israeli bombing attacks on the airports of Aleppo and Damascus, disabling both of them, point into this direction.

The neo-conservative lunatics in the White House may well think that they now have a chance to eliminate Russia's presence in the Middle East.

They will think of this as a revenge for their loss of the the war in Ukraine. They also believe that it will prevent, or compensate for, their geopolitical defeat in Gaza (https://www.indianpunchline.com/us-faces-defeat-in-geopolitical-war-in-gaza/).

Russia is undoubtedly prepared for that. Still, its contingent in Syria is too small. A combined attack by all U.S. forces in the area, more than 150 airplanes, would certainly defeat it.

The question then will be: "What's next?"

But I for one do not dare to answer it.

[Bill Ryan]

Maybe not a surprise, but disappointing nonetheless. This is now being reported in all media.


https://opindia.com/2023/10/un-security-council-rejects-russian-resolution-calling-for-a-ceasefire-in-israel-hamas-war

UN Security Council rejects Russian resolution calling for a ceasefire in Israel-Hamas war: USA and UK ask Russia to condemn Hamas first

The United Nations Security Council has rejected a Russian resolution calling for a humanitarian ceasefire of the conflict between Israel and Hamas as the draft did not get a minimum number of votes to be passed.

Russia had proposed a resolution calling for a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza. The Russian-led draft resolution received five votes in favour – China, Gabon, Mozambique, Russia, and the United Arab Emirates.

Four nations – United Kingdom, United States, France and Japan on Monday voted against the draft resolution. France, US and UK voted against the resolution over its failure to condemn Hamas for its attacks on Israel.

(... the article continues (https://opindia.com/2023/10/un-security-council-rejects-russian-resolution-calling-for-a-ceasefire-in-israel-hamas-war))

~~~

And a summary:

https://t.me/CIG_telegram/37762

The text:
How the UN Security Council members voted on the Russian resolution:
• In favor: Russia, China, the United Arab Emirates, Gabon, and Mozambique.
• Against: The United States, the United Kingdom, France, and Japan.
• Abstained: Albania, Brazil, Ghana, Malta, Switzerland, and Ecuador.
The U.S. representative explained their country's choice by pointing out that the resolution did not condemn Hamas.CIG_telegram/37762

[Eric J (Viking)]

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Eric J

[Sirus]

Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.Well, one issue is that most of the Gazans had no idea Hamas was going to do this, and had they known they might well not have approved. Most Palestinians living there are just like you and me. :flower:

What's your view of 70% of Palestinians allegedly voting and supporting Hamas, Bill? I'm sure that we can apply nuance to the statistic but I'd be interested to know your thoughts?
Also worth noting that the Palestinian authority are said to still pay money to the families of any Hamas fighters killed.

[Dorjezigzag]

https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/392746242_10159291881496968_1944290371049061320_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=YleAYtsB6zsAX-lwmHv&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&oh=00_AfAqbNKBQsYwg5m4cfE4DrQqGoNQTSaizb__dlUbhqQbNA&oe=65343B5E

[Bill Ryan]

Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.Well, one issue is that most of the Gazans had no idea Hamas was going to do this, and had they known they might well not have approved. Most Palestinians living there are just like you and me. :flower:

What's your view of 70% of Palestinians allegedly voting and supporting Hamas, Bill? I'm sure that we can apply nuance to the statistic but I'd be interested to know your thoughts?
Also worth noting that the Palestinian authority are said to still pay money to the families of any Hamas fighters killed.


I'd like to see a source for that statistic (70%), though of course it might be correct. (But we should all note that 'supporting Hamas' doesn't necessarily mean supporting the extreme Hamas actions of 7 October.)
HOWEVER—>

Does the proportion of Palestinians supporting Hamas (whatever the number is) include the million children in Gaza?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Why don't we Canadians surprise attack the Americans and kill a few thousands of them in their beds.
Then cry to the world to not let the US destroy us.

To leave Hamas intact is a deriliction of Israel's defense force.
Leave them be and let them do it again in another ten years? No.
They have to be dismantled at any cost.

Just like all the illegal immigrants all over the western world. They must br rounded up and sent back to their country of origin.

[gini]

i asked google ;Does Palestine have a democracy?
The Palestinian Authority is an authoritarian regime that has not held elections in over 15 years; it has been criticized for human rights abuses, including cracking down on journalists, human rights activists, and dissent against its rule.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... in the smog of war category:

(https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=274618)
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/yasmin_porat-150x150.jpg (https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=274613)

Israeli forces shot their own civilians, kibbutz survivor says
(https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=274613)
Firsthand account from a woman who was held hostage by Hamas gunmen differs markedly from the official version of events. Yasmin Porat says her captors treated her ‘humanely’ and that they did not execute hostages. They were only killed when the IDF opened fire
(https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=274613)
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Source (https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861) [includes English translated transcript]


(https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=274613)

[Bruce G Charlton]

Apparently, from the mainstream media, Biden will visit the war-zone tomorrow. Sounds like a very bad idea, highly risky, and something that could not possibly accomplish any US foreign policy goals...

Unless, maybe, somehow Biden got attacked or even killed.

In which case (obviously!) the US would have No Alternative but to go to war against... whoever they say is responsible.


When it comes to detecting false flags; forewarned is forearmed.

[SilentFeathers]

Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.Well, one issue is that most of the Gazans had no idea Hamas was going to do this, and had they known they might well not have approved. Most Palestinians living there are just like you and me. :flower:

What's your view of 70% of Palestinians allegedly voting and supporting Hamas, Bill? I'm sure that we can apply nuance to the statistic but I'd be interested to know your thoughts?
Also worth noting that the Palestinian authority are said to still pay money to the families of any Hamas fighters killed.


I'd like to see a source for that statistic (70%), though of course it might be correct. (But we should all note that 'supporting Hamas' doesn't necessarily mean supporting the extreme Hamas actions of 7 October.)
HOWEVER—>

Does the proportion of Palestinians supporting Hamas (whatever the number is) include the million children in Gaza?


I would "guess" that 70% is rather accurate and even possibly a conservative estimate. Not so much for 100% supporting Hamas, but for the supporting the same type of ideology to a large degree that fuels Hamas.
Their children are indoctrinated, brainwashed, conditioned, or whatever you want to call it to hate and kill the jews. Then they grow up and become jew hating adults, it's an ugly cycle.

We are seeing a similar stage/type of hate being indoctrinated/conditioned/pounded into the minds of the children/young here in the US (and elsewhere in the west); to hate and want their ideologies to rule supreme and want all others silenced or even in some instances, eliminated.

Everyone must choose a side or else seems to be the theme of the century! It's been going on forever to some degree, but now it is escalating beyond belief.

The mixing of cultures and such extreme differing ideologies in the last decade or so was a really bad idea in my opinion and it will NOT turn out good. We are seeing it more and more every day that this whole ridiculous migration experiment is coming unglued and exploding.

The whole Israeli/Palestinian ordeal is just the tip of the iceberg, we are about to see this clash of ideologies and culture go bloody on a global scale.

Just as the Palestinians and Israelis say now, that they have no place to go, that's what people will be saying on a global scale soon. It's not going to turn out good for anyone.

ADDED: Planet is Earth is quickly becoming a huge insane asylum!

[Ernie Nemeth]

It is called victim mentality.

You know, the kind that allowed George Floyd protestors to burn down cities and still to this day occupy parts of downtowns in cities near you.

[Bruce G Charlton]

"Everyone must choose a side or else seems to be the theme of the century! It's been going on forever to some degree, but now it is escalating beyond belief."

Indeed!

In this case (and unlike the NATO v Russia war), IMO neither side is overall on the side of good (as I understand good).

Indeed in this current conflict there are not even two sides - since the initial triggering event seems very likely to be a collusion between elements of both 'sides' - presumably operating under ultimate influence from those of global Establishment who plainly desire maximum escalation of the situation to an international, and far more destructive, war.

Furthermore; the fact that this issue divides even the mainstream of socio-politics (e.g. in the UK, major newspaper headlines are divided in their apparent sympathies) is evidence that this conflict may lead not only to between-nations war, but to within-nation violent civil conflict, maybe even something like civil wars?

I am increasingly convinced that sheer, spiteful, human-hating destruction (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world) is becoming the primary goal of the most powerful current rulers of this world.

[ExomatrixTV]

Leaked Footage of PM Netanyahu Encouraging Israeli Settlers to Create Fear:

v3m9jhz/?pub=ir01b

[Ernie Nemeth]

One last one then I'll let it be.

Palestinians want their own homeland.
But the western countries should not enjoy the same? We have to be inundated by fireignors we have nothing in common with? It could even be argued that western countries were established for the direct purpose of keeping certain types out for various reasons.

[Inversion]

Juan O Savin points the finger at the UK, the bankers and bloodlines in Europe for the actions in the Middle East. He said, "Who stands to gain?" He also said, "What is the largest country in the world?" The answer is the British Commonwealth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations).

The Rumble video can't be located on their site which is a reoccurring theme with some of her videos. I can't get the video code, so here's the link to Kerry's site: video (https://projectcamelotportal.com/2023/10/15/orchestrated-war-reveals-current-level-of-military-and-ai-on-both-sides/) running time 14:39

Update: see post#577 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122055-Israel-vs-Hamas-the-Middle-East-at-War&p=1582327&viewfull=1#post1582327) for a link to the full video.

[Sirus]

Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.Well, one issue is that most of the Gazans had no idea Hamas was going to do this, and had they known they might well not have approved. Most Palestinians living there are just like you and me. :flower:

What's your view of 70% of Palestinians allegedly voting and supporting Hamas, Bill? I'm sure that we can apply nuance to the statistic but I'd be interested to know your thoughts?
Also worth noting that the Palestinian authority are said to still pay money to the families of any Hamas fighters killed.


I'd like to see a source for that statistic (70%), though of course it might be correct. (But we should all note that 'supporting Hamas' doesn't necessarily mean supporting the extreme Hamas actions of 7 October.)
HOWEVER—>

Does the proportion of Palestinians supporting Hamas (whatever the number is) include the million children in Gaza?


Thanks for the swift response Bill.
1. Two notable statistics I'd found was that :"...86% of Palestinians endorsed violence against Israelis and support for Hamas had risen to 17%"

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bmaFCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT68&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
P.105

And that they got 46% of the vote when they were elected 2006. (Quite a big drop form the 70% I mentioned above and have seen posted about online..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

I can imagine that support has changed since Hamas was kicked out of the West Bank and I hope and pray that the Gazans have seen sense and dropped their support completely.

2. Absolutely not. The children always pay for the sins of the older generations and it needs to stop.
I've been so angry since this all kicked off and find myself torn between wanting an immediate ceasefire but the angry part of me knows that Hamas must be killed. Every soldier should be executed and what happened last week should never happen again.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... much less what one sees... the foke of war:


Is Israel's Iron Dome Defense System a hoax? You may be surprised what you discover in this video. Again, as always, look closely and do not accept what any government or parasite media outlet is telling you. (14 minutes, 52 seconds)
davidavocadowolfe/109793
https://t.me/davidavocadowolfe/109793

What's documented in the video is exactly the first impression I got when watching the alleged Hamas' rocket attacks coupled with control demolitions of buildings from other times and places: dull fireworks duds! :shielddeflect:

[syrwong]

I am surprised that both 911 and this "Israel's 911" are both obvious false flags but the responses of the alternative media are so different . This is even bigger as it will lead to war with all Islamic nations. While 22 years ago the alternative cry of conspiracy was very loud, and well made documentaries like "Loose change" and written articles on the internet were so abundant and powerful, this false flag appeared to be much more successful with only little resistance from the "alternative media". I see no well argued videos or articles giving convincing arguments that the "official/main stream story" must be a lie. Only in a few interviews that the interviewees gave some good points. In other words I could not easily collect the arguments that it must be a conspiracy, if not a false flag. This shows the control of media is getting perfect for the cabals, fewer people are willing to speak the truth, and most people in the world accept the narratives more absurd than 911.

Silence appears to be the word for the tribulations to come. Silent victims and silent media.

[meat suit]

Apparently, from the mainstream media, Biden will visit the war-zone tomorrow. Sounds like a very bad idea, highly risky, and something that could not possibly accomplish any US foreign policy goals...

Unless, maybe, somehow Biden got attacked or even killed.

In which case (obviously!) the US would have No Alternative but to go to war against... whoever they say is responsible.


When it comes to detecting false flags; forewarned is forearmed.

This is spinning me out... Jeez , what if they have kept Biden in the game for exactly that reason....
The mind boggles ...

[pyrangello]

All those who question the unimaginable savagery of the Hamas attack against Israel must read the words of these forensic scientists struggling to identify the 297 bodies so brutalised as to be unrecognisable

Bodies are being identified at Israel's National Centre of Forensic Medicine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12637591/Hamas-attack-against-Israel-forensic-scientists-identify-bodies.html

I didnt know if this got posted yet on this topic, very tough read , from 2002 to 2012 I managed repossessed homes, It awakened me to the fact that there are those that dont deserve to have a house, pets or children as they lived liked total pigs and cared for nothing . It was a small percentage of homes like that but still. After reading this article it awakened those thoughts and moved right straight to the bottom of the gates of hell. There are beings here on earth that should not be here period. I pray for those lost and pray for these people who are the caretakers of the lost......................... Nothing else to be said

[SilentFeathers]

Biden to visit Israel as Gaza humanitarian crisis worsens (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-to-visit-israel-as-gaza-humanitarian-crisis-worsens/ar-AA1imCGw)
U.S. President Joe Biden will visit Israel on Wednesday to show support for its war on Hamas


This really has me scratching my head....

Why would this be announced worldwide that the President of the US is flying in to such a tense, dangerous, and unpredictable hot war zone? This makes no sense and is rather stupid in my opinion.

What purpose does this serve for him to even go there? They say he's also going to Jordan but I think everyone has pretty much made their case for where they stand on this issue. I think it's a bit late to even try to bribe or threaten the King of Jordan.

This could be a huge mistake for Biden's handlers to allow this visit; especially if Biden mumbles and stumbles like he normally does. (he's going to be pretty tired and worn out after that long plane trip!)

Yet, nothing is as it seems to be....

[Eric J (Viking)]

All those who question the unimaginable savagery of the Hamas attack against Israel must read the words of these forensic scientists struggling to identify the 297 bodies so brutalised as to be unrecognisable

Bodies are being identified at Israel's National Centre of Forensic Medicine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12637591/Hamas-attack-against-Israel-forensic-scientists-identify-bodies.html

I didnt know if this got posted yet on this topic, very tough read , from 2002 to 2012 I managed repossessed homes, It awakened me to the fact that there are those that dont deserve to have a house, pets or children as they lived liked total pigs and cared for nothing . It was a small percentage of homes like that but still. After reading this article it awakened those thoughts and moved right straight to the bottom of the gates of hell. There are beings here on earth that should not be here period. I pray for those lost and pray for these people who are the caretakers of the lost......................... Nothing else to be said

I’m beginning to think Hamas was created by Israel…

The rest you can connect the dots…

Eric J

[Sue (Ayt)]

Apparently, from the mainstream media, Biden will visit the war-zone tomorrow. Sounds like a very bad idea, highly risky, and something that could not possibly accomplish any US foreign policy goals...

Unless, maybe, somehow Biden got attacked or even killed.

In which case (obviously!) the US would have No Alternative but to go to war against... whoever they say is responsible.


When it comes to detecting false flags; forewarned is forearmed.

This is spinning me out... Jeez , what if they have kept Biden in the game for exactly that reason....
The mind boggles ...

That was the very first thought that popped into my mind when I heard that Biden was heading over.
ugh

[FractalEnergy]

I am surprised that both 911 and this "Israel's 911" are both obvious false flags but the responses of the alternative media are so different . This is even bigger as it will lead to war with all Islamic nations. While 22 years ago the alternative cry of conspiracy was very loud, and well made documentaries like "Loose change" and written articles on the internet were so abundant and powerful, this false flag appeared to be much more successful with only little resistance from the "alternative media". I see no well argued videos or articles giving convincing arguments that the "official/main stream story" must be a lie. Only in a few interviews that the interviewees gave some good points. In other words I could not easily collect the arguments that it must be a conspiracy, if not a false flag. This shows the control of media is getting perfect for the cabals, fewer people are willing to speak the truth, and most people in the world accept the narratives more absurd than 911.

Silence appear to be the word for the tribulations to come. Silent victims and mute media.

Very true. Since 9/11, most are now familiar with what a false flag is, and we have now seen it played out many times even prior to 9/11. It's the playbook that they use time and time again.
Redacted reported yesterday that in a 2006 interview with 60 Minutes (which has been removed from YouTube), Netanyahu claimed that the Israeli military were capable of having aircraft in the air in 90 seconds as a response to any attacks. And Israel is about the size of New Jersey (U.S.) It would have taken no time to reach these partygoers, yet hours went by? This is just one of many strange things that happened that day that should give everyone pause, yet if you verbalize it like Charlie Kirk did (who is a staunch pro-Zionist), you get called a holocaust denier. That is also their playbook. Isn't it strange that we can question the U.S. government (rightfully so), yet we cannot question the Israeli government? I see so much talk these days about the cabal's plan to wipe us out because of their belief in eugenics, yet these same people who oppose the idea of eugenics also believe that one group is superior to all others and have a right to torture their neighbor for over 70 years without any repercussions. These Zionist supporters have absolutely no empathy for the Palestinian people. It baffles the mind. I am thankful for voices like Miko Peled, Max Blumenthal, Norman Finklestein, Dan Cohen and Gabor and Aaron Mate, along with many others, who see the truth regardless of their religious roots, and share it with the world. We should always question EVERYTHING and be OK with that.

[Bill Ryan]

This is just now being widely reported, and appears to be accurate. :flower:

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83750

The text:
More than 500 people were killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in the Gaza Strip, media reports citing the local Ministry of Health.

ZandVchannel/83750

[Bill Ryan]

I’m beginning to think Hamas was created by Israel…
It was. This is well known, no secret at all, and indelibly embedded in recent Israeli history.

[SilentFeathers]

This kind of stuff is ridiculous to say the least and is really making Israel look bad. War is war but these types of bombings need to be avoided.
This will likely cause Hezbollah to enter the war. Things are escalating fast and will get worse even faster!

Israel: Hundreds killed in air strike on Gaza hospital, Palestinian officials say - BBC News
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[ExomatrixTV]

Charlie Kirk’s Edgy Israel Take & Will They Arrest Journalists & Take Their Property Over The War?

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[Michel Leclerc]

White phosphorus (phôs-phoros = Luci-fer) has already started raining down on the Palestinian leftovers.


Fortunately, this meant the Evening Star for, pretty much the whole course of Greek speech, until the advent of the periodic table. Unless I am mistaken, the bombs are not actually filled with pieces of Venus.

"Primitive" man probably could not have used the stuff. You all are aware that Phosphorous exposed to air will combust, just like Sodium?

Greek Fire, now there was a history-changing military upgrade. Willie Pete has not done much but inflict casualties.

(...)

The most likely copycat scenario is well underway by that seller of her soul, India (https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/10/16/712837/how-india-abandoned-its-traditional-pro-palestine-policy-under-modi-govt):



The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), which is the ideological parent organization of India’s ruling party BJP, has been accused in India of fueling anti-Muslim violence.

(...)




Israel is a pebble that could be tossed away in a matter of hours.

(...)



Thank you Shaberon for the quite enlightening quote on Hindutva India and Israel. This was to be expected, considering the fierce persecutions of Muslims in India – but still, the starkness of the contrast with earlier is striking.

Quite an evolution, which one may speculate that a lot of energy (Energy = Money * the square of light speed) was put into – but one which might also have been expected considering that a few decades before Pakistan had been turned from a “subcontinental” Muslim country into a cultural colony of Saudi Arabia. (As far as I know, the Muslims in India are to quite an extent Shia – or one might also say that the Muslims who during the partition of the Raj went to the "pak” (=“pure”) areas in West and East Pakistan were mainly Sunni Muslims – whereas Shia Muslims (Shia Islam being far less literalist, or more esoteric and open to spiritual interpretations of the Qur‘an) stayed in the, back then, tolerant India. All the more tragic.

This Hindutva/Zionism alliance against Islam may give the West the opportunity for breakup attempts against the cohesion of the (new) BRICS countries..

***

Evening Star but of course also the Morning Star because Venus, and the Persian Anahita (or Anâhîd in modern Persian), which early on the Greeks also felt to be an anagram of Athena (which in itself was a genuine transformation of the 2nd-millennium-BCE "Afro-Asiatic" goddess Aneitha or Neith). Into which the whole Seth/Satan complex was mixed. Complex word-play and mythical as well as religious syncretism in a period when writing orientation (right-to-left and left-to-right) was unstable..

Knowing that Phos-phor(os) means Luci-fer, it is quite striking that, as I developed in my little prose essay “The Falluja Extravanganza (https://michelleclerc.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/20051112-the-falluja-extravaganza/)” that the US commander who destroyed Falluja with white phosphorus motivated his men by referring to the “head of the Devil” observed in the clouds surrounding the burning Twin Towers..

And now, during “Israel”’s 9/11, we are again seeing people living in buildings as in hermit crab shells being cooked “glove over the bone” by White Phosphoros.

Would it be too adventurous to speculate that devil faces will be discovered in the explosion clouds created by Hamas?

[Michel Leclerc]

Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.

Ernie, you know the statistics. They will soon be far worse for the Palestinians than a month ago. Will you then say: The Israelis chose their lot?

(I write this with full sympathy for all non-Zionist people in Israel who identify as Jewish in whatever definition of the term.)

[ExomatrixTV]

US Combat Troops To Gaza?

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Media is reporting that President Biden is about to deploy some 2,000 US troops to the Gaza region in response to the recent unrest between Israel and Hamas. An additional 2,000 Marines are reported to join them and an additional 10,000 troops may be deployed in the two US Carrier Strike Groups that the US has sent to Israel's coast. Is Biden sneaking the US into a massive Middle East war?

[grapevine]

This kind of stuff is ridiculous to say the least and is really making Israel look bad. War is war but these types of bombings need to be avoided.
This will likely cause Hezbollah to enter the war. Things are escalating fast and will get worse even faster!

Israel: Hundreds killed in air strike on Gaza hospital, Palestinian officials say - BBC News


Distasteful though it is (understatement), it's believed that Hamas shelters are directly underneath the hospital and also where they are holding at least 250 hostages. Israel doesn't seem to be allowing this to sway them at all.

In 2021 Hamas claimed to have built 500 kilometres (311 miles) worth of tunnels, the deepest so far was 230 feet underground, discovered by Israel in 2020.

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to wonder if there are secret tunnels leading out to Egypt or Lebanon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LVVrfvv9BM&ab_channel=CNN

[happyuk]

All those who question the unimaginable savagery of the Hamas attack against Israel must read the words of these forensic scientists struggling to identify the 297 bodies so brutalised as to be unrecognisable

Bodies are being identified at Israel's National Centre of Forensic Medicine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12637591/Hamas-attack-against-Israel-forensic-scientists-identify-bodies.html

I didnt know if this got posted yet on this topic, very tough read , from 2002 to 2012 I managed repossessed homes, It awakened me to the fact that there are those that dont deserve to have a house, pets or children as they lived liked total pigs and cared for nothing . It was a small percentage of homes like that but still. After reading this article it awakened those thoughts and moved right straight to the bottom of the gates of hell. There are beings here on earth that should not be here period. I pray for those lost and pray for these people who are the caretakers of the lost......................... Nothing else to be said

I’m beginning to think Hamas was created by Israel…

The rest you can connect the dots…

Eric J

For some time I've been coming to the conclusion that virtually every well-known terrorist outrage has been manufactured as a problem-reaction-solution false flag, from the Gunpowder Plot to Hamas and everything in between:


lies about Saddam’s WMD capabilities
the Manchester "bombings"
the elements of prior knowledge and complicity by the US and other Governments surrounding 9/11
corporate beneficiaries of World Wars


... and so on prove that war is about a lot more than our officials and the media tell us

[Paul D.]

A video from a paramedic at the Al-Ahli Baptist hospital.
1 min 2 secs . Very important testimony I think .No graphic content.

'We couldn’t count the dead because most bodies are in parts’

🗣 ‘30% to 40% of the victims are children’

🗣 ‘We have seen a massacre, a genocide’

A first responder describes the horrifying scenes at the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital, which the Gaza Health Ministry says has been hit by an Israeli airstrike, killing more than 500 people ⤵️ v.aa.com.tr/3023435
1714353023076421691

[Michel Leclerc]

Charming, Ernie.

About ten or a dozen years ago well-meaning people in Europe were inspired by the "indignado” movement that pleaded for hospitality and generosity towards all people who sought relief from their war-stricken countries in Europe.

In the French-speaking part of Europe (France, Switzerland, Belgium) there was this magnificent saying: Qui est ici, est d’ici. Meaning: who is here, is from here. Meaning: whoever is our guest because we live by the moral laws of hospitality instead of the paranoid laws of borders, is as if he or she were born here. The whole idea represented by almost infinitesimal word-play because the phrase is to be pronounced: kee eahh teecee, eahh deecee. The difference between just being here and being born here represented by the difference between the "tough” dental sound T and the “soft” dental sound D..

The whole Israeli adventure right from the start was only possible because the local population treated the immigrants from Europe (and I am referring here to the Jewish people leaving Europe in the 20s, disgusted as they were at what the European powers had done to the young, murdering them Ukraine-wise in the trenches) with the Arab, and especially the Palestinian, culture of hospitality.

Then after some time the guests started to steal the silver used for cutting up the lamb stew they were being offered. A little later they turned their hosts into lamb and the hosts’ houses into high-rises along Tel Aviv Playa.

Why haven’t they followed the example of their hosts back then, and why aren’t they doing that right now? Qui est ici, est d’ici. Who is here, is from here.

Belgium is a country most foreigners do not find particularly sympathique. I am quite critical of the country I was born in myself. But: in defence of Belgium the following. The verbal skirmishes between the Dutch-speakers and the French-speakers are laughed at the world over. Yet the Belgian political system organises the coexistence of two civilisations within the same borders quite elegantly. Without any bloodshed. Ever. Thirty years ago Israeli and Palestinian delegates studied the Belgian system. Isratina, as Muammar Khadafi called what in his eyes Israel and Palestine were destined to become (saying that became one of the reasons for his bestial killing) would have become a second Belgium and another example of what should really be done in countries.

How odd that it never materialised. Against all those, who also on this site, profess that "multicultural” countries are not viable, it should simply be stated: "your strange theory is falsified by the very fact that such a country exists – and thrives."

I think such a potential evolution (not a side-by-side state nationalism, but “Isratina”, i.e. “Belgium”) was somehow sabotaged on the way.

How did that happen?

[Ernie Nemeth]

I am not arguing semantics, or history, or politics, or war. I simply state the conclusions based on what has happened in the last week. There was an incursion. Innocent civilians were intentionally murdered. What sort of response is appropriate after that? A tsk, tsk? Or a wallop upside the head?
Let's just accept that Hamas planned this attack for months. Kept it secret. Amassed weaponry. Moved troops to the border. No one the wiser.

Their plan was to surprise attack the unarmed citizens? Not destroy the Israeli ability to fight back and destroy their bases, planes, tanks, troops, armories but to take hostages back to Gaza?

They are cowards. They have no honor.

That is what upsets me. Young fighters chasing down unarmed civilians, shooting old couples in the head, causing terror and carnage at the youth concert...

[Gwin Ru]

...

... Scott Ritter, "Why I no longer stand with Israel" - MUST WATCH INTERVIEW! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6mWeUPj84E) 22:55

Streamed live 47 minutes ago

https://yt3.ggpht.com/7sG2dx9yKbBfmA25TtYyQLcYM7wCAtZ2vmPyyUZQbCAhl2PV3DiC1y0StWN5sXnQCbkXdFComQ=s48-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj (https://www.youtube.com/@judgingfreedom) Judge Napolitano - Judging Freedom (https://www.youtube.com/@judgingfreedom)

j6mWeUPj84E


Detailed, comprehensive article:

https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/why-i-no-longer-stand-with-israel

Why I no longer stand with Israel, and never will again (https://www.sott.net/article/485173-Why-I-no-longer-stand-with-Israel-and-never-will-again)

Scott Ritter
Scott Ritter Extra (https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/why-i-no-longer-stand-with-israel)
Fri, 13 Oct 2023 00:00 UTC
[...]

[Bill Ryan]

I am not arguing semantics, or history, or politics, or war. I simply state the conclusions based on what has happened in the last week. Ernie, in the interview that Gwin posted immediately above (Scott Ritter with Judge Napolitano), Napolitano's first question (at 2:22) was:
How to explain the Hamas savage attack on Israeli military and civilian populations 10 days ago?
Ritter begins his answer: (and I'd suggest this is indeed the only way to view the entire issue, which started back in 1947 when the Israelis violently and mercilessly seized the Palestinian homeland.)
First of all, we need to understand we just can't start on October 7.
~~~

Very much related to this, when I was a kid I was a keen stamp collector. (That's how I learned much of my world geography, and quite a bit of history too.)

Here's a Palestine stamp from 1927. It was a country back then.


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PLoAAOSwWbNkZx-q/s-l500.png


Edit to add: I never collected coins, but here's a photo of a 1927 coin as well.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3dd3a6d204f9e90bf269d8680b7dde15

And this is what it looked like at that time. :flower:

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8a52695211c550225d4d013e553837c2

[SilentFeathers]

I tend to believe this, as bombing a hospital full of people would be the most idiotic thing for Israel to do right now. But it's hard to say who's really at fault.

Israeli investigators report Islamic jihad rocket misfired and killed hundreds at hospital
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[gnostic9]

Jerusalem, centre of power?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3n6y3jmSGk


Love peace and joy to all!

[Ewan]

Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.

I have to say Ernie, having long paid interest to your posts over the years.

-You have to go back to page one of ACIM and start again.

I'm literally astonished that you would come out with, not just this post, but the subsequent ones in this thread.

[Bill Ryan]

An update from Zero Hedge:

https://zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-evacuates-residents-28-towns-near-lebanese-border-hezbollah-attacks-increase
(https://zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-evacuates-residents-28-towns-near-lebanese-border-hezbollah-attacks-increase)
Arab Leaders Refuse to Meet Biden, Jordan Trip Canceled, Protesters Surround US Embassy in Beirut

As expected, the fallout from the al-Ahli Baptist Hospital bombing has been swift, with a domino effect of negative consequences both for diplomacy and on the 'Arab street'. The situation outside the US Embassy in Beirut is deteriorating tonight, with reports of riot police and tear gas being deployed against large crowds waving Hezbollah flags.

But more importantly, and just as Air Force One is departing Washington for Israel, the White House has canceled the entire leg of Biden's trip to Jordan. The confirmation was issued within the same hour that Arab leaders announced they were unwilling to meet with Biden, given the US is Israel's biggest funder and supporter.

(... the article continues (https://zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-evacuates-residents-28-towns-near-lebanese-border-hezbollah-attacks-increase))

[SilentFeathers]

An update from Zero Hedge:

https://zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-evacuates-residents-28-towns-near-lebanese-border-hezbollah-attacks-increase
(https://zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-evacuates-residents-28-towns-near-lebanese-border-hezbollah-attacks-increase)
Arab Leaders Refuse to Meet Biden, Jordan Trip Canceled, Protesters Surround US Embassy in Beirut

As expected, the fallout from the al-Ahli Baptist Hospital bombing has been swift, with a domino effect of negative consequences both for diplomacy and on the 'Arab street'. The situation outside the US Embassy in Beirut is deteriorating tonight, with reports of riot police and tear gas being deployed against large crowds waving Hezbollah flags.

But more importantly, and just as Air Force One is departing Washington for Israel, the White House has canceled the entire leg of Biden's trip to Jordan. The confirmation was issued within the same hour that Arab leaders announced they were unwilling to meet with Biden, given the US is Israel's biggest funder and supporter.

(... the article continues (https://zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-evacuates-residents-28-towns-near-lebanese-border-hezbollah-attacks-increase))

This doesn't surprise me. More reasons that Biden shouldn't have publicly announced his trip there to begin with. I have a feeling he's going to look like and sound like a complete idiot no matter what he does Wednesday. It'll be even worse if he trips and falls in front of everyone. It wouldn't surprise me if he double-crosses Israel.

This whole thing is becoming more and more of a diplomatic nightmare every minute.....

[Bill Ryan]

More updates, so many that they're coming in faster than they can be posted here.

I shared this three days ago:
I just want to note this here. I'm no psychic or remote viewer, but I have a strong feeling of dread, that will not go away, that something major, and very bad indeed, is going to happen — somewhere, and quite soon.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83778
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[Bill Ryan]

More.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83846
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83848
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83849
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/87100


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DDGeopolitics/87100

[SilentFeathers]

Yes, things are now happening at a high rate of speed!.... It doesn't seem real, seems like a bad dream!

The only thing I can see that happened today that wasn't a complete disaster is that Biden made it on Air Force 1 this evening without falling up the stairs.

[Bill Ryan]

From Maria Zakharova.

The translated text:
I am following the news from the Middle East with horror.
I remember the thesis repeatedly voiced by Obama that, thanks to American policy, the world has become much safer.
Now we all see how much.

https://t.me/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova/6445
MariaVladimirovnaZakharova/6445

[norman]

I don't know a way to say this that won't sound crass and distasteful to someone but I have to mention it, maybe this thread is the wrong place though.

Gaza was the world's first 15 minute city.

[shaberon]

I wonder where the original Palestinian 'jews' went to.


Iran.

Assyria destroyed Israel and the Lost Tribes went to the Caucasus becoming the Mountan Jews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Jews).


The smaller area of Judea was taken by Babylon into Captivity. They were released and returned by Cyrus the Great, the Messiah.

Restored Judea was then overrun and miscegenated by Edom.

At that point, yes, Judeans essentially became Edomites. What is worse, at least, from their own perspective of ritual cleanliness, losing their sacred grounds and so forth, Judaism became Edomism.

So, yes--ancient Israel from King Saul had a religion with Psalms and some Prophets, which cannot be determined to resemble the mixture that comes back from Captivity, plus Ezra's redactions during the Second Temple, and whatever the Edomites may have caused. Then the staggering influence of Pharisees and Sadducees.

They were already overhauled with numerous beliefs about a New Messiah, before considering how the Romans wanted to use religion to defray rebellions.

Notice the original answer was Debt Jubilee, and the Roman answer is suppression by mental manipulation.

What we are dealing with is the remnants of Roman statecraft.

Whole Europe was converted violently into their one-book foreign language church.

Torah at least has some ancient traditional roots, and, I think, can be "restored" by scrubbing off various Rabbinical interpretations. The Roman thing or New Testament is propaganda from its inception. Yet it carries support for the "Jewish problem" by relying on the previous, even though its actual teaching is that the Jews deserve no sympathy because they refused the real Messiah. It is only "Protestant denominations" that opened the door for "Judeo-Christianity", and now, "Catholic Zionist" is another nonsensical revision that makes even less sense.

Gaza was once a thriving cosmopolitan haven where Jews, Greeks, pagans, and any other kind of group all worked together.

This actually was normal in just about every Mediterranean area we can trace.

The Hebrew and Arabic languages can only be detected from about 1,000 B. C. E., as branches of Phoenician, which is more or less the alphabet we are currently typing in (again "Romanized"). All of that is "Semitic", a language group, not a "race".


Since Zionism is British statecraft, it does not have any origin in Khazaria, the closest thing being drift from the Frankist school from Poland, which perhaps was more influential around Frankfurt, Germany. The "Jewish problem" in Freemasonry is this same issue:

"Freemasonry" is a Christian edifice.

This same controversy arose--it was unfair to block the Jews out of it, but, of course, the mainstream Christian view was to block Jews out of everything, except butchery, goldsmithing, and finance. European law only allowed them to practice about six professions, and would not accept usury practiced on other Christians, so the mixture of Jews and finance has nothing to do with them personally.

It is only post-Napoleon that this door opened. So, it would be correct that a Frankfurt Rothschild entered Freemasonry around 1815. He was not allowed to vote in Lodge affairs. The idea of Jewish Freemasonry is then only subsequent to this, and mostly in England, and is very much a backburner to how the Bank of England brought the Bank of Prussia into its "system". Prussian Bank became the Reichsbank, and the U. S. Fed is a nearly to-the-letter replica of the Reichsbank.

There isn't a very Jewish hand stirring that pot.

As to the Jews of post-Roman Palestine, I do not know about that specifically. Obsession with bloodlines is such a warped, distorted view, I have no idea who came up with that, or who would care about it.

[Bill Ryan]

A standalone further update. (For anyone just visiting this thread after even a short time away, do see this combined report post #560 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122055-Israel-vs-Hamas-the-Middle-East-at-War&p=1582282&viewfull=1#post1582282) at the foot of the previous page. All hell is breaking loose.)

Look at this. If those people break into the US embassy, they'll kill everyone there.

https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/40479

The text:
People move towards the US Embassy in Lebanon after an attack on a hospital in the Gaza Strip.
Approximately one hundred thousand (!) people are reported.NovichokRossiya/40479

[Bill Ryan]

The black flag is flying over Iran's Imam Reza shrine — for the first time in history.

As best I understand, this is a call for the formation of a Muslim army to march on Jerusalem.

The text:
A black flag is raised over Imam Reza shrine in Iran for first time in history. Symbolism in Islamic historic tradition: "When the black flags come from Khorasan (Persia/Central Asia) go to them, even if you have to crawl on snow, among them is the Caliph of Allah, the Mahdi"

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1714411995074576725
1714411995074576725

[SilentFeathers]

The black flag is flying over Iran's Imam Reza shrine — for the first time in history.

As best I understand, this is a call for the formation of a Muslim army to march on Jerusalem.

The text:
A black flag is raised over Imam Reza shrine in Iran for first time in history. Symbolism in Islamic historic tradition: "When the black flags come from Khorasan (Persia/Central Asia) go to them, even if you have to crawl on snow, among them is the Caliph of Allah, the Mahdi"

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1714411995074576725
1714411995074576725

This is really bad. Israel (and the US) seem trapped. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Israel is in danger of being annihilated no matter what they do. The US and Israel can NOT take on the whole middle east and then some.
This is the closest I've ever seen WW3 in my lifetime.

[shaberon]

This Hindutva/Zionism alliance against Islam may give the West the opportunity for breakup attempts against the cohesion of the (new) BRICS countries..



It is a disturbing marriage of minds.

What should be obvious from the current scenario is that:


Israel has no allies.


On the one hand, India might fairly ask why there is Islam present in it at all, which is:


Conquest.


The actual Hindutva is so much bigger and far older than Zionism, that we could say the ongoing Israeli problem amounts to Intro 101 for something "similar" within India, which just happens to be mostly self-contained, and originally and currently aimed at "lower Indians", with Islam and Judaism only relatively recently adding their own spice to the complexity.

Indian Thomasene Christianity happens to be far closer to the Gospel era than anything in the west. It may not be big, but, I am unaware of it ever being a "problem".

In the modern sense, India can barely be said to have an ideological conjunction with Russia, and so BRICS is a bit more of a geo-political reality of national interests, i. e., commercial needs. I was recently told the nice Russian supermarkets are stocked with Indian rice. That may be the extent of it.





Would it be too adventurous to speculate that devil faces will be discovered in the explosion clouds created by Hamas?


It is a bit fanciful. I have known of someone who was credited with the ability to make the Devil's Face appear.

Buddhists can't do it. One Tibetan said he tried everything, such as reciting the Lord's Prayer backwards, and nothing happened. We have no connection to this foreign invention, nor does such a thing exist outside of the literary caprices of those who wish it to be so.

I saw the one in the 9/11 videos, and, if anyone is taking that seriously, you are perceiving reality in some artificial mode. But, yes, it is true that many do.

In our view, attributing evil to some grand cosmic force is like a sin shifting the responsibility away from man himself. The "devil" is a broken human being, and the disembodied ghosts therefrom. But, as Anton LaVey says, the devil is the greatest friend the church ever had, as he keeps it in business. When Eskimos were told that hell was a lake of fire, they enthusiastically asked, how do we get there?


So, of course, the current affairs are quite much like the setting for Dajjal or Anti-Christ, which I expect to be preached from the rooftops any minute now. Such Millennial beliefs are of course a Catholic pet that has arisen in numerous strands, much like the Messiah.

Those things are not present in either the basic Jewish or Indian scriptures, and only spill forth in selected commentaries of later times.






As the mop flops (https://english.almanar.com.lb/1939698):


Abbas: I agreed with Jordan and Egypt to cancel the summit with US’ Biden after the Hospital attack

Dmitry Medvedev, Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council, denounces the assault on Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza as a war crime, holding the United States accountable

In Iraq, a large number of protesters also gathered in Baghdad, voicing a firm condemnation of the Zionist crime and underlining readiness to back the Palestinian resistance.

In Tunisia, the protesters declared support to the Palestinian people, denouncing the Israeli massacre in Gaza.

In Jordan, protesters attacked the Israeli embassy, attempting to set it on fire.

[Satori]

The black flag is flying over Iran's Imam Reza shrine — for the first time in history.

As best I understand, this is a call for the formation of a Muslim army to march on Jerusalem.

The text:
A black flag is raised over Imam Reza shrine in Iran for first time in history. Symbolism in Islamic historic tradition: "When the black flags come from Khorasan (Persia/Central Asia) go to them, even if you have to crawl on snow, among them is the Caliph of Allah, the Mahdi"

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1714411995074576725
1714411995074576725

This report literally caused my body to involuntarily wince and shiver for a brief moment. “The black flag”…? That sounds ominous.

[shaberon]

This is really bad. Israel (and the US) seem trapped. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Israel is in danger of being annihilated no matter what they do. The US and Israel can NOT take on the whole middle east and then some.
This is the closest I've ever seen WW3 in my lifetime.



Yes, they are done. According to the United Nations and Brazil (https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/10/17/712924/Iranian-President-Ebrahim-Raeisi-Israel-brutal-onslaught-insane-tensions-):


The United Nations human rights office has said Israel’s brutal blockade of the Palestinian enclave of Gaza, combined with the evacuation order and forcible transfer of civilians, could amount to a crime against humanity.

Spokesperson Ravina Shamdasani said in the Swiss city of Geneva on Tuesday that the forced relocation of civilians has been classed as a crime against humanity and is punishable by the International Criminal Court (ICC).



Lula da Silva, for his part, approved of the Iranian president’s stance on the situation in Gaza and the need to immediately stop the attacks on the besieged area, establish a ceasefire and reopen the crossings for humanitarian aid and treatment of the injured.

The Brazilian president censured as “unacceptable” the occupying regime’s policy of forcibly relocating the residents of Gaza and its attacks on Palestinian women and children as well as their schools and hospitals.



Zion was an act of force, being removed by another act of force, no surprises here.

The flag (https://iranpress.com/content/227369/imam-reza-shah-cheragh-shrines-hoist-black-flag-for-muharram), per se, is normal:


The holy shrines of Imam Reza (AS) in Mashhad, northeastern Iran, and his brother Ahmad bin Mousa (AS), known as Shah Cherag, in Shiraz, southern Iran, hoisted black flags on the occasion of Muharram, the month of mourning for Imam Hussain's (AS) martyrdom.

More than 1,300 years ago, in 61 AH, Imam Hussein (AS), a grandson of Islam's Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), and his 72 companions were martyred in the Battle of Karbala, in southern Iraq, after fighting courageously for justice against the much larger army of the Umayyad caliph, Yazid I.

[norman]

Eva2 posted this in the "Quotes" thread a couple of days ago. I assume it's true and I assume everyone reading this thread needs to see it.



America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up and sell it off, piece by piece, until there is nothing left but the world's biggest welfare state that we will create and control.

This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them, very slowly.

Benjamin Netanyahu
Recorded at Finks Bar
Jerusalem 1990

[Dorjezigzag]

The black flag is flying over Iran's Imam Reza shrine — for the first time in history.


Pretty sure this happened last year so not the first time

Saturday July 30, 2022

Black flag has been raised over Imam Reza's (AS) holy shrine in Iran concurrent with the start of Muharram mourning ceremonies.

This is a traditional symbol of mourning in Islam and is done to commemorate the martyrdom of Imam Hussein (AS), the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).


The black flag will remain raised until the end of the Islamic mourning months of Muharram and Safar.

The mourning ceremonies for the third Shia Imam culminate on the Day of Ashura which marks martyrdom anniversary of Imam Hussein (AS).

https://en.ifilmtv.ir/News/Content/40217/

[Rizotto]

Most PA members probably know this already, but it needs to be said again and again. This terrible bloody conflict isn't so much about Muslim vs Jews. It's about the thousands years old evil cabal run by the deep state that seeks world control, and right now they don't like at all that the BRICS are throwing an economic (i.e. peaceful) monkey wrench into their hate machine. So they are trying to raise conflicts as hard as they can. Be aware: they're going to get Isrealis killed as much as Palestinians. They very much want to start a war with Iran, and they'll probably try and use nukes.

No one is immune to hate. The first and best antidote is to stay aware of the manipulation we're being put through.

Israel is descending into CIVIL WAR and Netanyahu knows it | Redacted News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3SQNvZ-Iy8

[Inversion]

Juan O Savin points the finger at the UK, the bankers and bloodlines in Europe for the actions in the Middle East. He said, "Who stands to gain?" He also said, "What is the largest country in the world?" The answer is the British Commonwealth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations).

The Rumble video can't be located on their site which is a reoccurring theme with some of her videos. I can't get the video code, so here's the link to Kerry's site: video (https://projectcamelotportal.com/2023/10/15/orchestrated-war-reveals-current-level-of-military-and-ai-on-both-sides/) running time 14:39

Kent Dunn said, "Israel is the name of the Black Sun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A*)."

The Urantia Book (https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-46-local-system-headquarters)

JERUSEM, the headquarters of Satania, is an average capital of a local system, and aside from numerous irregularities occasioned by the Lucifer rebellion and the bestowal of Michael on Urantia, it is typical of similar spheres.

Temple at the Center of Time (https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/temple-at-the-center-of-time-david-flynn/1014686854)

P74. The late author David Flynn has a map showing the distance between Jerusalem and Babylon being 539 miles and the distance to Nippur being 587 miles. In 587 BC Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians and in 539 BC Babylon fell to Persia/Iran.

P99. There's a map showing the distance between the temple mount and the center of London being 1948 nautical miles. Israel became a nation on 05/14/1948.

P125. Queen Elizabeth the first set the length of a mile at 5,280 feet in 1592.

Greenwich Mean Time (GMT (https://www.britannica.com/science/Greenwich-Mean-Time))

the name for mean solar time of the longitude (0°) of the Royal Greenwich Observatory in England. The meridian at this longitude is called the prime meridian or Greenwich meridian. Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) has been used to clearly designate epoch by avoiding confusing references to local time systems (zones).

Royal Greenwich Observatory, astronomical observatory and, until its closure in 1998, the oldest scientific research institution in Great Britain. It was founded for navigational purposes in 1675 (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Royal-Greenwich-Observatory) by King Charles II of England at Greenwich, and the astronomer in charge was given the title of astronomer royal.

[gini]

Piers debating an Egyptian comedian who makes his points with shocking sarcasm and dark humor
4idQbwsvtUo--

Oct 18, 2023 #piersmorgan #israel #palestine
WARNING: This video contains strong language

Piers Morgan Uncensored is joined by Egyptian comedian Bassem Youssef and later on by co-founder of the Daily Wire, Jeremy Boreing, for a heated and emotive debate on the historical treatment of Palestine during their conflict with Israel and whether Israel's decision to bomb Gaza in an attempt to get rid of Hamas is justified and proportionate after the attacks on October 7th.

Bassem condemns the terrorist organisation Hamas and tries to explain that people have been desensitised to accept that civilians dying is an inevitability of war.

Piers then suggests he doesn't know what the "proportionate response" to a terrorist attack of Hamas's scale would be. Bassem responds by referencing a graph that shows the total amount of deaths in the conflict prior to the attacks and questions the Palestinian killings in the West Bank, which has never been occupied by Hamas fighters.

Bassem then mocks Ben Shapiro for his public stance on Israel defending themselves, questioning how an occupier can be defending themselves. Shapiro's friend and colleague Jeremy is then invited by Piers to debate Bassem's criticisms. " -


This interview made me think(again) about Piers Morgan giving so much space to the opponents of the globalist narrative ,and this comment resonates with my suspicions;

"At this point I believe that Piers Morgan is actually a good man who is totally against Israel, but he fears getting cancelled or angering his show's sponsors if he makes his true stance clear. So he's intentionaly bringing in knowledgeable people to educate his viewers about the real situation."

[norman]

Juan O Savin points the finger at the UK, the bankers and bloodlines in Europe for the actions in the Middle East. He said, "Who stands to gain?" He also said, "What is the largest country in the world?" The answer is the British Commonwealth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations).

The Rumble video can't be located on their site which is a reoccurring theme with some of her videos. I can't get the video code, so here's the link to Kerry's site: video (https://projectcamelotportal.com/2023/10/15/orchestrated-war-reveals-current-level-of-military-and-ai-on-both-sides/) running time 14:39



That's a section taken from this full video here: https://rumble.com/v3orh0f-juan-o-savin-roundtable-israel-at-war-vem-miller-10-11-2023.html

[wegge]

Apparently, from the mainstream media, Biden will visit the war-zone tomorrow. Sounds like a very bad idea, highly risky, and something that could not possibly accomplish any US foreign policy goals...

Unless, maybe, somehow Biden got attacked or even killed.

In which case (obviously!) the US would have No Alternative but to go to war against... whoever they say is responsible.


When it comes to detecting false flags; forewarned is forearmed.

This is spinning me out... Jeez , what if they have kept Biden in the game for exactly that reason....
The mind boggles ...

That was the very first thought that popped into my mind when I heard that Biden was heading over.
ugh


our laughable German chancellor and his entourage supposedly were in some kind of war duress while in Israel, having had to deboard their plane and looking for shelter (two differenct occasions) - now they've made it safely to Egypt.

what I wanna say is - does this kinda prepare the media field for Joe?

[shaberon]

I believe this is a totally different set of targets today (https://english.almanar.com.lb/1938631) than from the Sheeba Farms:


Hezbollah Missiles Eradicate Large Number of Israeli Soldiers

Simply and briefly, the Zionist media described the situation on Lebanon border as terrible, reporting a large number of Israeli soldiers were killed or injured by Hezbollah attacks.

The Islamic Resistance issued on Tuesday six successive statements, detailing its attacks on the Israeli border settlements and sites.

Al-Mutella

Ramim Barracks

Zar’it, Asdah, Jall ad-Deir, Al-Malikiyah, and Barka Risha.

Bayyad Blida

Branit


For its part, the Israeli occupation forces bombarded the various Lebanese towns and villages close to the borders, causing materialistic losses exclusively.



Scholz's unnecessary whatever comes along with the Social Democrats nosediving in the polls (https://sputnikglobe.com/20231017/germanys-ruling-social-democrats-post-worst-result-since-2021-elections-poll-1114262502.html):


The center-left party of Chancellor Olaf Scholz lost almost half of the support it enjoyed at the ballot box more than two years ago, while the rival conservatives came out on top with 32%, up 4 points from last week and almost 8 points from September 2021, the poll commissioned for RTL and n-tv news channels showed.

[Agape]

The black flag is flying over Iran's Imam Reza shrine — for the first time in history.

As best I understand, this is a call for the formation of a Muslim army to march on Jerusalem.

The text:
A black flag is raised over Imam Reza shrine in Iran for first time in history. Symbolism in Islamic historic tradition: "When the black flags come from Khorasan (Persia/Central Asia) go to them, even if you have to crawl on snow, among them is the Caliph of Allah, the Mahdi"

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1714411995074576725
1714411995074576725


One could argue that hanging on the Black Flag symbolises a Storm like one at the end of the world ,
hanging it out would symbolize festive occasion

rather than ..lots of suffering .

My point is , entering to wars they can not win by brute force
does not result in Victory.

Mahdi returns to Cave.


“There are mountains you shall not cross,
cities you will not conquer ..” ( Sun Tzu, The Art of War)


The Holy City especially , like human Spirit, can be destroyed but not conquered.


🏳️‍🌈

[Sirus]

'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in Gaza

1714551859912876304

[shaberon]

'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in Gaza



They will have to try that one with UN SEC as Russia and United Arab Emirates (https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/10/18/712937/Russia-UAE-emergency-UNSC-meeting-Gaza-hospital-carnage) expect an answer today.


In Lebanese, it's called a lie:


Biden adopts Israeli fabrications on hospital massacre in Gaza amid roar at press conference with Netanyahu.


LBC News (https://www.lbc.co.uk/) is, of course, in England.

Asked about the IDF’s claim that the blast was due to a botched rocket launch by Islamic Jihad, Mansour slammed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as "a liar."


It will take satellite images, not graphics suggesting an Islamic Jihad misfire.

That is, of course, possible, except it would lack intent and do nothing to mitigate the overall atrocity against Gazans. The presence of Biden, of course, adds a little weight to the possibility of an attempt at subterfuge.

It is kind of hard to imagine that no local person would have anything to say about misfire or not.

It is possible for Israel to tell the truth, sometimes, but they are not what we would call "reliable", no matter how many Brits and Americans jump on the bandwagon.

[Samurai]

Again, I apologize if these thoughts have been covered. And please, I am not writing this to inflame opinions, this is just a stripped right back observation.

Yesterday I was pondering the whole situation and had a very simple realisation. Modern “Israel” is a very new nation. It is not the ancient Nation of Israel. It could have been placed anywhere and called anything. At the point of its creation, anywhere in the world would have been gratefully accepted by the Jewish people.
Instead they chose a name and location with massive biblical weight, instantly attaching it to biblical prophecy and to a certain extent, giving the impression that the nation has existed for some 3000 years. They did not need to do this.

Today I was reading comments on a website I visit now and then, and I found this by someone identified as JD:

“Cyrus Ingerson Scofield and an artificial pause in Daniels 70th week prophesy that was callously used to move already fulfilled prophesy concerning “the end” of the nation of Israel into the future, thereby duping Evangelicals into supporting a modern temporal Israel!”

As I see it, the bottom line is, the current nation of “Israel” is a modern invention, placed and named very carefully for Geopolitical ends. It is masquerading as something it is most certainly not. A cynical ruse that the entire west is playing along with. It was devised to create as much religious weight as possible, garnering support and resistance by pulling the at the very strings of people’s faith. Throw in decades of holocaust/antisemitic/Islamophobic programming, those who are not religious are also pulled into the agenda. There is a very strong chance that “Israel” is the linchpin to plans that have been in place for a very long time. For those implementing the plan no cost is too high, no sacrifice too great.

They do not care about the Jews, the Muslims, or anyone else for that matter. The certainly do not want Peace. If they did, then the Jewish Homeland would have been located and named very differently.

The storm is nearly upon us I fear.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.

I have to say Ernie, having long paid interest to your posts over the years.

-You have to go back to page one of ACIM and start again.

I'm literally astonished that you would come out with, not just this post, but the subsequent ones in this thread.


Ya, I'm surprising myself as well. Not sure why I've taken this stance except to say that I do not like when people jump on a bandwagon like this. I tend to buck the trend.

Also, I may as well work in the middle east as it is. Our job site is like the tower of Babel. People talking in a dozen languages side by side. That's all I can say on that topic. Not fun at all.
And I can tell you from experience that 'diversity is not strength'.

[pueblo]

'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in Gaza

1714551859912876304

Remember the old (they changed it a few years ago) Mossad motto? "By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Do War"

[Bill Ryan]

'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in GazaIt doesn't matter. No-one will believe the Israelis or the Americans whatever they say (and I don't right now either), and the damage has been done. When a fire has been ignited, you can't put it out just by saying it was a mistake.

:flower:

[Sirus]

'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in Gaza

1714551859912876304

Remember the old (they changed it a few years ago) Mossad motto? "By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Do War"

All war is deception, of course. We wouldn't have had a successful D-Day landing without it.

Why would Hamas be telling the truth though?

[Bill Ryan]

More updates. This time I'll post the text of the posts. Last time (12 hours ago) there was so much coming in all at once I didn't have time.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83868
https://t.me/llordofwar/218826
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83873
https://t.me/CIG_telegram/37896
https://t.me/llordofwar/218799
https://t.me/llordofwar/218801
https://t.me/llordofwar/218806
https://t.me/llordofwar/218818
https://t.me/llordofwar/218843
https://t.me/llordofwar/218845
https://t.me/llordofwar/218857
https://t.me/llordofwar/218878
https://t.me/llordofwar/218905
https://t.me/llordofwar/218915
https://t.me/llordofwar/218935
https://t.me/llordofwar/218942

The combined texts:
Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said that the only thing that should be sent to Gaza is "hundreds of tons of explosives."

American journalist Jackson Hinkle urges people not to believe what the media says.

“Now, for the first time in over four decades, since the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, the entire armoured corps has been called up. This is a massive force … it is understood to include over 1,000 main battle tanks.” (The Economist)

AMERICAN EMBASSY SET ABLAZE: US diplomatic mission in Lebanon feels heat of angry crowd as HUNDREDS surround it, lighting up fire at its gates (right vid) while security tries to control situation by releasing gas.
Turkey's streets turn into war zone (left vid) as groups of pro-Palestine people who earlier STORMED Israeli Embassy chant and start fire nearby Tel Aviv's consulate.
Israel's decision to KILL hundreds in Gaza hospital attack has sparked violent responses in world.

The number of residents of the Gaza Strip who have fled their homes has reached 1 million, the UN reported.

A BBC correspondent believes a hospital in Gaza was attacked by an Israeli aircraft
"Given the size of the explosion, it's hard to imagine that it could be other than an Israeli airstrike or multiple airstrikes. Because when we see rockets fired from Gaza, we never see explosions on this scale. We have witnessed half a dozen, maybe a little bit more, people killed by such rocket attacks.
But we've never seen anything like the scale of the explosion in the video that I watched earlier, which, as you said, has yet to be verified."

Former Mossad agent explains how Israel controls the narrative.
(MUST WATCH)

Israel launched a second air strike on rescuers who were searching for women and children under the rubble of a destroyed hospital in the Gaza Strip – The Guardian.

The bomb that was thrown at [the Gaza] Baptist Hospital was an American MK-84.
It is the same one that bombed an Iraqi hospital during the American occupation and led to the death of 500 Iraqis.
(source here (https://iranpress.com/content/236234/the-bomb-that-was-dropped-gaza-hospital-was-american-mk-84))

The MSNBC reporter admits that the Palestinians do not have the rocket capable of causing such an explosion and destruction.
He also mentioned that the reports of the Israeli army are unreliable.

Russia classifies the attack on a hospital in Gaza as a crime and an act of dehumanization.
The Russian Federation calls on Israel to provide satellite images to prove its non-involvement in this incident - Russian Foreign Ministry.

Palestinian Ambassador to Japan: Israel made a warning call to the Baptist Hospital in Gaza an hour before the attack
https://fxtwitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1714527796943274026
(https://fxtwitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1714527796943274026)
The Palestinian ambassador to Japan said Israel made a warning call “an hour before the explosion” at a hospital in the Gaza Strip, Reuters.‌‌

Videos from Gaza support a strike on the hospital by the Israeli Air Force: an American GBU-31 JDAM bomb was probably used, Russian military expert Alexey Leonkov told RIA Novosti.
This is evidenced by the power of the explosion and the characteristic sound of a projectile falling. This very whistling sound is clearly visible in the video from the scene of the tragedy, which RIA Novosti published that night.

Egyptian Foreign Minister:
“The Rafah checkpoint has been bombed four times in recent days, making it difficult for humanitarian aid to reach residents of the Gaza Strip.”

ZandVchannel/83868
llordofwar/218826
ZandVchannel/83873
CIG_telegram/37896
llordofwar/218799
llordofwar/218801
llordofwar/218806
llordofwar/218818
llordofwar/218843
llordofwar/218845
llordofwar/218857
llordofwar/218878
llordofwar/218905
llordofwar/218915
llordofwar/218935
llordofwar/218942

[Tintin]

Concerning the hospital strike this video may well be one that lays the blame irrefutably at Israel's door. If I'm viewing this correctly then it appears to be an air-to-ground missile suggested, in Bill's post preceding this, as an MK-84, but I'm no expert on that type of missile necessarily. Confirmatory responses and alternative video shots on the thread:

1714558676378488832

Source: https://twitter.com/AyazK100/status/1714558676378488832

UPDATE:

1714545571770380529

Source: https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1714545571770380529

Text:


A Russian speaking Israeli Telegram channel was bragging about a surprise for Gaza (18:46), then they were cheering, "we told you so." Then they deleted the posts and claimed that HAMAS rocket hit the hospital. But Internet remembers everything.

[SilentFeathers]

'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in GazaIt doesn't matter. No-one will believe the Israelis or the Americans whatever they say (and I don't right now either), and the damage has been done. When a fire has been ignited, you can't put it out just by saying it was a mistake.

:flower:

I totally agree; the media is making darn sure to control the narrative.

What blows my mind is the majority of the world just wants Israel to accept the slaughter of October 7th and move on from it like it never happened. Brush it under the rug so to speak. If a group of thugs went into any other country other than Israel and brutally murdered 1400 civilians, the whole world would be united, in an uproar, and demanding justice at any cost.

Not one Arab country will take any Gaza refugees, not even temporarily. They are willing to send them some medical supplies and food but not remove them from the hot zone. They are content to just let the civilian population ride out the storm and the deaths to continue. The only solution is to stop Israel regardless of how many will die. It is quite telling in my opinion.

Regardless of how this moves forward, it is a no-win situation for Israel. There are just too many countries and peoples that want Israel and the Jews removed from this planet. Some things never change.

Not many know this, but Gaza has been conquered and destroyed over and over again for centuries. Gaza is about 4,000 years old. Talk about a never-ending cycle of killing and destruction! I'm surprised the ground there is not dark red....

[Rizotto]

The timing of this terrible Israeli attack on the Gaza hospital, could it be to detract from another significant event that the deep state really wants to shut down:
the Belt and Road Forum in Beijing, China, on Wednesday, October 18, 2023.
Many media don't even bother to report on this, but some do.

October 18, 2023
Xi reaffirms ‘deep friendship’ with Putin as China and Russia condemn Israel’s assault on Gaza
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-xi-reaffirms-deep-friendship-with-putin-as-china-and-russia-condemn/
Excerpt:

“We spoke in detail about the situation in the Middle East, and I informed [Mr. Xi] on the situation that is developing in Ukraine,” Mr. Putin said, adding, “external factors are common threats, and they only strengthen the Russia-China relationship.”
While in Beijing, Mr. Putin also took advantage of this week’s forum to hold bilateral meetings with a number of other world leaders, including Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, one of his few allies left in Europe, who on Tuesday said, “Hungary has never wanted to confront Russia.” The following day, Mr. Putin also met with the leaders of Indonesia, Pakistan and Vietnam, accepting an invitation from the latter to visit Hanoi in the near future."

[thirtythree]

The black flag is flying over Iran's Imam Reza shrine — for the first time in history.


Pretty sure this happened last year so not the first time

Saturday July 30, 2022

Black flag has been raised over Imam Reza's (AS) holy shrine in Iran concurrent with the start of Muharram mourning ceremonies.

This is a traditional symbol of mourning in Islam and is done to commemorate the martyrdom of Imam Hussein (AS), the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).


The black flag will remain raised until the end of the Islamic mourning months of Muharram and Safar.

The mourning ceremonies for the third Shia Imam culminate on the Day of Ashura which marks martyrdom anniversary of Imam Hussein (AS).

https://en.ifilmtv.ir/News/Content/40217/


We're are currently in the muslim month of Rabi-us-sani (2nd rabi) and the month of mourning (Moharram) is 9 months away.

[grapevine]

ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD | Israel/Palestine | Hebrew & Arabic | 83" | 2013 (Documentary Film)

Former West Bank settler Lia Tarachansky looks at Israelis’ collective amnesia of the fateful events of 1948 when the state of Israel was born and most of the Palestinians became refugees. She follows the transformation of Israeli veterans trying uncover their denial of the war that changed the region forever.

Tarachansky then turns the camera on herself and travels back to her settlement where that historical erasure gave birth to a new generation, blind and isolated from its surroundings. Attempting to shed a light on the country’s biggest taboo, she is met with outrage and violence.

I've added the link to the video, which is on Vimeo (1hr 23 mins)

https://vimeo.com/117772052

(https://vimeo.com/117772052)
https://vimeo.com/117772052

[Dorjezigzag]

The black flag is flying over Iran's Imam Reza shrine — for the first time in history.


Pretty sure this happened last year so not the first time

Saturday July 30, 2022

Black flag has been raised over Imam Reza's (AS) holy shrine in Iran concurrent with the start of Muharram mourning ceremonies.

This is a traditional symbol of mourning in Islam and is done to commemorate the martyrdom of Imam Hussein (AS), the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).


The black flag will remain raised until the end of the Islamic mourning months of Muharram and Safar.

The mourning ceremonies for the third Shia Imam culminate on the Day of Ashura which marks martyrdom anniversary of Imam Hussein (AS).

https://en.ifilmtv.ir/News/Content/40217/


We're are currently in the muslim month of Rabi-us-sani (2nd rabi) and the month of mourning (Moharram) is 9 months away.

Yes and I put a date for the article that I referenced. My point was that this was not the first time this flag had been raised as claimed in the twitter post and that usually a black flag being raised is a symbol of mourning.

Perhaps the black flag has been raised again now although I would need more evidence than a photo on twitter that could be from any time.

The folllowing article suggest the flag has been raised as a sign of mourning.

https://x.com/HaidarAkarar/status/1714417012154180048?s=20

The black flag holds a distinct place in Islamic history and tradition.

Contrary to misrepresented claims over social media, it does not represent a call to arms or conflict.
This shift to black indicates a solemn expression of grief, mourning and solidarity.

In contrast, a red flag symbolizes the pursuit of vengeance.

for instance, The red flag was last raised at the Jamkaran mosque in Qom in response to the assassination of General Soleimani, signifying a call for retribution that has not been fulfilled yet.

https://www.dailyo.in/news/why-has-the-imam-reza-shrine-in-iran-hoisted-the-black-flag-for-the-first-time-in-history-outside-of-muharram-42020

[Bruce G Charlton]

"What blows my mind is the majority of the world just wants Israel to accept the slaughter of October 7th and move on from it like it never happened. Brush it under the rug so to speak. If a group of thugs went into any other country other than Israel and brutally murdered 1400 civilians, the whole world would be united, in an uproar, and demanding justice at any cost."

@SilentFeathers - Leaving aside 'the majority of the world' - about which we can do nothing (materially speaking) -- is that what you believe happened?

My understanding is that the 'group of thugs' were waved into Israel, by some group inside Israel, at a time and place when the military had been moved away from the area (and maybe civilian partygoers had been moved into the area); then the military were stood down for a few hours before intervening and driving away the incursion.

Whatever happened to Israel; the blame for it must be shared with elements within Israel.

This has very different implications from the way you express the situation. The main different implication, as I see it, is that (as I understand it) the original atrocity was arranged in order to harm All sides in the Middle East (and elsewhere) - and that is exactly what is happening.

**

What blows my mind (!) is that hardly anybody seems to notice that (especially since 2020) the big bad things that have have happened are not arranged for anybody's benefit in particular. No nation or group of nations is gaining by Covid, the Vax, the Rus-NATO war - or this developing situation. The minds ultimately behind these events are not trying to benefit any group - but are trying to inflict the maximum of fear, resentment, misery, death and despair.

So far they have succeeded - not least because they are working invisibly, and nobody even wants to acknowledge their existence; perhaps because few people can understand the motivation of extreme evil: and that is what we are dealing with.

(I mean: We can all understand ruthless self-interest - but when we are instead dealing with evil done for its own sake, without benefitting anybody in particular, or even when oneself is harmed by it... Well, we just don't perceive it. And yet, surely, we have all had such impulses or thoughts at some time or another? I mean sheer spitefulness, schadenfreude, inner gloating at the suffering of another etc. It is seen in some suicides I have encountered: "I'll kill myself, tell him it's his fault; and that will really hurt him. He'll feel guilty for the rest of his life!". That sort of motivation is what is behind this stuff - but on a large scale. )

[norman]

What blows my mind is that the Israeli people can't see what their government and intel agencies have done to them, and revolt against them.

[SilentFeathers]

"What blows my mind is the majority of the world just wants Israel to accept the slaughter of October 7th and move on from it like it never happened. Brush it under the rug so to speak. If a group of thugs went into any other country other than Israel and brutally murdered 1400 civilians, the whole world would be united, in an uproar, and demanding justice at any cost."

@SilentFeathers - Leaving aside 'the majority of the world' - about which we can do nothing (materially speaking) -- is that what you believe happened?

My understanding is that the 'group of thugs' were waved into Israel, by some group inside Israel, at a time and place when the military had been moved away from the area (and maybe civilian partygoers had been moved into the area); then the military were stood down for a few hours before intervening and driving away the incursion.

Whatever happened to Israel; the blame for it must be shared with elements within Israel.

This has very different implications from the way you express the situation. The main different implication, as I see it, is that (as I understand it) the original atrocity was arranged in order to harm All sides in the Middle East (and elsewhere) - and that is exactly what is happening.

**

What blows my mind (!) is that hardly anybody seems to notice that (especially since 2020) the big bad things that have have happened are not arranged for anybody's benefit in particular. No nation or group of nations is gaining by Covid, the Vax, the Rus-NATO war - or this developing situation. The minds ultimately behind these events are not trying to benefit any group - but are trying to inflict the maximum of fear, resentment, misery, death and despair.

So far they have succeeded - not least because they are working invisibly, and nobody even wants to acknowledge their existence; perhaps because few people can understand the motivation of extreme evil: and that is what we are dealing with.

(I mean: We can all understand ruthless self-interest - but when we are instead dealing with evil done for its own sake, without benefitting anybody in particular, or even when oneself is harmed by it... Well, we just don't perceive it. And yet, surely, we have all had such impulses or thoughts at some time or another? I mean sheer spitefulness, schadenfreude, inner gloating at the suffering of another etc. It is seen in some suicides I have encountered: "I'll kill myself, tell him it's his fault; and that will really hurt him. He'll feel guilty for the rest of his life!". That sort of motivation is what is behind this stuff - but on a large scale. )

I honestly believe that if the event of October 7th happened in most any other country than Israel, the reactions and events to follow would be playing out completely differently.

That aside, I've made it clear in my other posts that this Oct. 7th event was basically allowed to happen, thus elements within the Israeli gov had to be involved to some degree or another.

I've also made it clear in my other posts that what is happening in Gaza is sickening, I am very far from being one-sided in this whole ordeal. I'm just posting my perspectives from several angles about several developments, I don't claim to be right or know everything, that's for sure.

I do also honestly believe that in the bigger picture of things there are extremely dark and evil aspects going on, bigger than most can even comprehend, including myself.

[PathWalker]

I saw a funny cartoon pic in Hebrew.

One guy asks: Why Blinken seats in the Israeli war cabinet? Does the USG distrust Israel?

The other one replies: Israel is very much like a failing promising startup company. So the investors invest more. But take over control from the failed managing board and retain the professional team. In order to save the company and gain the profits.

Very true.
I strongly believe the deep state took over and Israel state lost its sovereignty long time ago to Israel corporation.

[Bill Ryan]

More.

https://t.me/TheMediterraneanMan/1805
https://t.me/TheMediterraneanMan/1812
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83915

The texts:
Egypt, Palestine, and Jordan have cancelled the summit with the US in Oman today.
Egyptian officials cancelled their reservations in the hotel, and refused to attend the summit, some state that the "negotiations" are becoming useless and an attempt to buy Israel some time.

Netanyahu tells Biden that "I will never allow Egypt to open the Rafah Border Crossing and I will not let them send their aid."

This is a clear response to the Israeli propaganda argument that there is no crater on the hospital site: the video shows a GBU-32 guided bomb (held by the IDF).

TheMediterraneanMan/1805
TheMediterraneanMan/1812
ZandVchannel/83915

[shaberon]

Again, I apologize if these thoughts have been covered. And please, I am not writing this to inflame opinions, this is just a stripped right back observation.

Yesterday I was pondering the whole situation and had a very simple realisation. Modern “Israel” is a very new nation. It is not the ancient Nation of Israel. It could have been placed anywhere and called anything. At the point of its creation, anywhere in the world would have been gratefully accepted by the Jewish people.


That is correct. The German Final Solution was to send them "wherever". The Zionists heard of this and said "Palestine". Hitler said "No".

You cannot cover this enough, and it is going to inflame opinions, after all we have millions poised to kill right now.

Here's how dumb and deceitful it is:


Isra El

supporter/defender of El

Not Yahweh, not God...Phoenician El. Same as in ancient Canaan.

Who is there now is a mix of Yahwists and atheists.

Nothing but a modern English invention. Nothing else. Perfidious Albion.




Likewise I have a million songs on religious deceit. I was thinking about it and it occurred to me that none of it specifically names Zion or Israel because...you'd be censored. Can't publish it.

I stick these in from time to time because Resistance = Music, from Woody Guthrie to the Celtic Bards. We never had anything else, not in European heritage because it was a One Latin Book "culture", and it was *extraordinarily difficult* to break this mold even slightly. Now that this is out of the way, I can only say we have the same things in China, Turkey, Iraq, at times extolling the praiseworthy, but more frequently a rebuke of oppressors, since this seems to happen, a lot.



Here is a rough live mix because the album had Schmier from Destruction, but I am going to nominate Prika Amaral of Brazil as the New Miss Thing. She has been in Nervosa for years but just took over the vocals and is ten times more powerful than the other singers. Here she is playing with a Greek guitarist and a Bulgarian drummer.

Of course she sounds much better in the studio; new album is called "Jailbreak" and it does not mean a physical one. This was from the previous album, a number that summarizes this very moment.


@ Resurrection Fest 2023

Nervosa

Genocidal Command


F47Ov1ryDNE


Eliminate opposition, killing their rights
Crushing everything in the way (Changing the truth)
Ruling with Lies
Build an army to fortify

Scorn
Revenge
No remorse for the kill
Torture
Deceive
We are treated like trash

They are coming

They are genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command

Genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command

Fascist speech, inspiration divine
Sticking in their mind like a leech (Only care about cash)
Servants of death
Raising a militia of slaves
Scorn
Revеnge
No remorse for thе kill
Torture
Deceive
We are treated like trash

They are coming

They are genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command

Genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command
Genocidal command

Liar
Racist
Scum of humanity

Dictator
Murderer
It's time to combat death
Liar
Dictator
It's time to combat death

[Dennis Leahy]

...

What blows my mind is the majority of the world just wants Israel to accept the slaughter of October 7th and move on from it like it never happened. Brush it under the rug so to speak. If a group of thugs went into any other country other than Israel and brutally murdered 1400 civilians, the whole world would be united, in an uproar, and demanding justice at any cost. ...
That's not what I saw. Other than Hamas apologists, I saw strong condemnation for Hamas' offensive actions, especially the murder of civilians. Those who have been paying attention over the last 5 decades also immediately knew that Israel would indeed strike back, not defend itself, but strike back, hard - mislabeled as "defense" and the "justice" you mention. Typically the Israelis kill at at 40 to 1 ratio. (The USA, Inc., controlled by Zionists, Zionist apologists, and Zionism supporters, did the same thing after the 9/11 "event", though they spared Saudi Arabia where the hijackers were supposedly almost all from and rather destroyed Afghanistan and Iraq, murdering, seriously injuring, and displacing millions, then destroyed Libya and Syria - all in the name of "justice.")

With the Israeli government and the Israeli deep state, they do not need or care about what the rest of the world thinks, they were going to retaliate and justify the murder of as many Gaza residents as possible, level the infrastructure, drive away any survivors into permanent exile, and they will annex the Gaza strip and rebuild it as a valuable Mediterranean seaside high-end resort to attract more American Zionists to visit Israel. The Israelis won't be using depleted uranium-tipped warheads, because they intend to live there.

The West Bank has already been balkanized, broken up into little pieces, and over the next decades those little pieces will grow smaller and smaller until they disappear. It's been the Zionist plan all along, starting from separating Palestine into non-contiguous patches of land in 1947.

Don't forget that Israel created Hamas (just as the USA, Inc. created alQaeda and ISIS, with the same modus operandi as the CIA hiring mobster thugs to be the hitmen to take out JFK, ostensibly keeping CIA hands free from blood. We've certainly seen this tactic used over and over.) "The Jews" have, and have had, the empathy of the world, but the Zionist State of Israel has not. The world uprisings are not against Jews and Judaism, but rather against Zionist Israel and their tactics.

[Dorjezigzag]

On this instance I tend to believe the Israeli version of events for the hospital. The crater issue is the clincher for me as I am aware of the size of craters from various rockets and missiles from personal experience. This looks like a crater from a smaller rocket, not an Israeli missile

As much as I am loathe to agree with the BBC, this does seem to be a pretty balanced and well-thought-out article

One of the most critical pieces of evidence is the nature of the crater left behind by the explosion.

The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) say that the absence of a large crater, or blast damage to adjacent buildings, proves that the explosion was not caused by its weapons.

You can see one small crater and we're seeing if any of the other marks represent other craters.


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/A95C/production/_131465334_crater12.png.webp


Another important part of missing evidence is missile fragments. Projectiles are often identifiable by the wreckage of their shell, and they can be used to determined the projectile's origin. But in this case, we have not seen that evidence.


J Andres Gannon, an assistant professor at Vanderbilt University, in the US, says the explosion appears to be small, meaning that the heat generated from the impact may have been caused by leftover rocket fuel rather than an explosion from a warhead.

A question I have though is that is a lot of damage from the fuel contained in one of those rockets even if it did fall with a full load. Dare I suggest the scene is a little reminiscent of maui?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67144061

[thirtythree]

Nope. I do not trust the BBC one bit.

The stranglehold that Israel has over NATO media has never been demonstrated so clearly as between 8pm and midnight (UK time) yesterday.

At around 8pm UK time, BBC and all other NATO media reported a huge “Israeli airstrike” on a Gaza hospital that had killed hundreds maybe even over a 1,000 given that the hospital itself was bombed so the wounded would not get treatment. Complete carnage.

The headlines on ALL articles specifically said “Israeli airstrike”.

None other than Hananya Naftali IDF digital spokesperson quickly claimed responsibility with a tweet that he later deleted.

https://t.me/warmonitors/16345

(https://t.me/warmonitors/16345)warmonitors/16345

Another Israeli government account said that “euthanasia” had been provided to collapsing Gaza hospitals. That tweet was also deleted.

Israel has been giving evacuation orders to hospitals all week and threatening to bomb them.

With immediate outrage over the next 3 hours, the entire NATO media narrative quckly scrubbed those headlines replacing it with “Israel blames xyz” soon to be followed by Israel has “proof” that xyz dunnit.

[shaberon]

Why would Hamas be telling the truth though?



This would be because Anglos have ignored everything since the Balfour Declaration and Sykes-Picot:


Zion is not allowed.

From around 1950-2006, it had enough western backing to force Palestinians out of the way, that is all.

All of its neighbors are going to pick it apart like a carcass on Thanksgiving. It will be erased and replaced with the real information about what happened.

In Diplomacy, Russians, Persians, and Arabs stick pretty close to the truth, which is not something the Anglo brain is generally able to process. America lied to Russia about NATO, so Ukraine gets trampled. Britain said Palestine belongs to someone other than Palestinians, so Israel gets trampled. Nothing confusing here.

Plenty of truth is told by combatants in multiple situations.

Point out a single Syrian lie from that wonderful batch of color revolutions that are still stuck in Idlib.

The worst misguidance I have seen from Syria or Russia in recent years is by under-reporting their losses. Not very drastically, you just don't hear about everything. They don't deny that there are losses and occasional defeats, they just don't talk about it much. Russia has admitted a few times when they may have hit civilian infrastructure, which is not a flimsy cover for them doing it repeatedly and intentionally.

Israel has no allies, there is no particular reason for anyone to lift a finger for it.

Just like they didn't for Donbass, Syria, Yemen, Libya, or Yugoslavia, none of which were squatter settlements.

[norman]

https://t.me/disclosetv/12224
disclosetv/12224




https://t.me/disclosetv/12227
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https://t.me/disclosetv/12225
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[SilentFeathers]

...

What blows my mind is the majority of the world just wants Israel to accept the slaughter of October 7th and move on from it like it never happened. Brush it under the rug so to speak. If a group of thugs went into any other country other than Israel and brutally murdered 1400 civilians, the whole world would be united, in an uproar, and demanding justice at any cost. ...
That's not what I saw. Other than Hamas apologists, I saw strong condemnation for Hamas' offensive actions, especially the murder of civilians. Those who have been paying attention over the last 5 decades also immediately knew that Israel would indeed strike back, not defend itself, but strike back, hard - mislabeled as "defense" and the "justice" you mention. Typically the Israelis kill at at 40 to 1 ratio. (The USA, Inc., controlled by Zionists, Zionist apologists, and Zionism supporters, did the same thing after the 9/11 "event", though they spared Saudi Arabia where the hijackers were supposedly almost all from and rather destroyed Afghanistan and Iraq, murdering, seriously injuring, and displacing millions, then destroyed Libya and Syria - all in the name of "justice.")

With the Israeli government and the Israeli deep state, they do not need or care about what the rest of the world thinks, they were going to retaliate and justify the murder of as many Gaza residents as possible, level the infrastructure, drive away any survivors into permanent exile, and they will annex the Gaza strip and rebuild is as a valuable Mediterranean seaside high-end resort to attract more American Zionists to visit Israel. The Israelis won't be using depleted uranium-tipped warheads, because they intend to live there.

The West Bank has already been balkanized, broken up into little pieces, and over the next decades those little pieces will grow smaller and smaller until they disappear. It's been the Zionist plan all along, starting from separating Palestine into non-contiguous patches of land in 1947.

Don't forget that Israel created Hamas (just as the USA, Inc. created alQaeda and ISIS, with the same modus operandi as the CIA hiring mobster thugs to be the hitmen to take out JFK, ostensibly keeping CIA hands free from blood. We've certainly seen this tactic used over and over.) "The Jews" have, and have had, the empathy of the world, but the Zionist State of Israel has not. The world uprisings are not against Jews and Judaism, but rather against Zionist Israel and their tactics.

I agree with what you are saying.

What I wrote in the quote you are referring to; I've read over several times trying to see my personal mistake or my wrong perspective so to speak. It really is how I am seeing things now, today. I saw the same things initially as you saw on Oct 7th and the few following days after. What I saw on October 7th and the few days after are quite different than how I'm seeing things today.

I totally agree that the way that Israel labels their actions now as "defending themselves" does not define the word "defending". They are attacking and leveling Gaza, killing tons of people. Things are a bit backwards and are causing uprisings on a global level. Perhaps that is exactly what the evil psychopaths pulling the strings want. Defending themselves could be defined as killing these fighters as they breached the walls on Oct. 7th, but they weren't there at those walls "defending" it? Attacking Gaza as they are as a means of "defending themselves" is Israel's 2nd biggest mistake in my opinion. (Their 1st being not defending the border on Oct 7th).

I am wondering how things would really be if Israel did not respond with force and tried to rally the world against Hamas instead, but we'll never know.

Regardless, this whole ordeal is extremely disturbing and sickening to say the least....it will not turn out good no matter what IMO.

[shaberon]

HZB (https://english.almanar.com.lb/1941502) continuing with "their version" (?) of the truth:


“The origin of this Zionist entity is a lie, and this lie continues to produce new falsehoods, and the foundation of this entity is based on deceit and deception. What ‘Israel’ has done since its inception is a result of the dirty mission entrusted to it by the West.”

Sayyed Safeiddine underlined the Zionist insolence of the Zionists manifested yesterday in their blatant attempt to absolve themselves of responsibility and blame the Palestinian factions for what happened, adding that this is worse than targeting and killing children.

Sayyed Safeiddine indicated that the Western countries, led by the United States, do not consider Palestinians and Arabs as humans, and thus they consider it is permissible to kill them.


Hezbollah Targets Israeli Military Sites across All Borders

Hezbollah fighters fired a precision missile at Al-Malkiye site off the Lebanese border town of Aytaroun, while the Israeli enemy artillery bombarded the town’s outskirts.

The Islamic Resistance fired precision missiles at a gathering of Israeli soldiers and surveillance system in Al-Taheyyat hill, south of Al-Manara, inflicting casualties.

Hezbollah also struck the sites of Jal Al-Alam, Zarit Barrack, and the maritime site located across Ras Al-Naqoura with guided missiles and suitable weapons.


In Tunisia (https://southfront.press/goodbye-to-the-west-the-attack-on-gaza-sparks-anger-in-africa/) blaming also France:


A point considered fundamental is to stop the propaganda. Also under consideration by the Tunisian parliament is a law that provides for the establishment of an action plan for the Tunisian media aimed at countering the disinformation spread by foreign media and lifting the veil on the atrocities perpetrated by the Zionist war machine. Some parliamentarians have suggested broadcasting educational programs aimed at children to teach them about the Palestinian cause and Palestinian history. These programs would be broadcast on Earth Day and commemoration of the Nakba, the Palestinian defeat and exodus of 1947-1948.


Two drone attacks attempted in one day (https://southfront.press/second-drone-attack-targets-u-s-troops-in-iraq-amid-israeli-escalation-against-gaza-video/) at American bases in Iraq, thanks to the hospital thing.


By refusing to evacuate north Gaza, Egypt and Jordan (https://southfront.press/u-s-israel-trapped-now-by-jordan-egypt-backing-hamas/) have framed the narrative:


But the situation for America and Israel is actually even worse than that — much worse.

On October 16th, Jordan Times headlined “Gov’t asserts citizens’ right to express solidarity with Gazans”, and Jordan’s King Abdullah went even farther than that by responding to the millions of Jordanians who were marching in the streets to support the Gazans against Israel: he endorsed their demonstrations. Then, the next day, was even worse news for both Israel and America: that newspaper headlined “King: ‘No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt; that is a red line’”. He was refusing the requests from both the Israeli and the American regimes for both Jordan and Egypt to take in Gazans so that Israel could take their land. Israel doesn’t want the Gazans; Israel wants only their land.

Ultimately, U.S. President Donald Trump’s arranged deal between the Sauds’ regime and Israel’s regime will either terminate now or else the Saud family will become terminated as the rulers of that regime. The present war in the Middle East will end the decades-long alliance between the Saud family and the U.S. Government.

The statements on October 16th and 17th, by Al-Sisi and King Abdullah, leave no way that the U.S. and Israeli regimes can leave this new Middle Eastern war as being anything but pariah-nations. Even if all of the Gazans end up being slaughtered, the U.S. and Israel will be pariah-nations. If, instead, the U.S. and Israel will lose this war, then the U.S. and Israel will also be pariah-nations. Either way, The American Century, which started on 25 July 1945, will be ended, in ignominy, by this war.



"Versions" of truth? Or "the" truth?

[norman]

Exposure of exactly how the perpetrators did it all would be the fastest and best way to calm the madness and let real grief set in.

There are several levels of wrong doers. The top level wrong doers are trying to control the narrative in a way that makes the world blame only the lowest level wrong doers, who are not much more than mind controlled patsies, although, I do suspect some of those masked invaders may have been highly trained ex special ops guys on big fat pay checks.

[Sirus]

Why would Hamas be telling the truth though?



This would be because Anglos have ignored everything since the Balfour Declaration and Sykes-Picot:


Zion is not allowed.

From around 1950-2006, it had enough western backing to force Palestinians out of the way, that is all.

All of its neighbors are going to pick it apart like a carcass on Thanksgiving. It will be erased and replaced with the real information about what happened.

In Diplomacy, Russians, Persians, and Arabs stick pretty close to the truth, which is not something the Anglo brain is generally able to process. America lied to Russia about NATO, so Ukraine gets trampled. Britain said Palestine belongs to someone other than Palestinians, so Israel gets trampled. Nothing confusing here.

Plenty of truth is told by combatants in multiple situations.

Point out a single Syrian lie from that wonderful batch of color revolutions that are still stuck in Idlib.

The worst misguidance I have seen from Syria or Russia in recent years is by under-reporting their losses. Not very drastically, you just don't hear about everything. They don't deny that there are losses and occasional defeats, they just don't talk about it much. Russia has admitted a few times when they may have hit civilian infrastructure, which is not a flimsy cover for them doing it repeatedly and intentionally.

Israel has no allies, there is no particular reason for anyone to lift a finger for it.

Just like they didn't for Donbass, Syria, Yemen, Libya, or Yugoslavia, none of which were squatter settlements.

I don't understand your answer.

[Dorjezigzag]

Nope. I do not trust the BBC one bit.

The stranglehold that Israel has over NATO media has never been demonstrated so clearly as between 8pm and midnight (UK time) yesterday.

At around 8pm UK time, BBC and all other NATO media reported a huge “Israeli airstrike” on a Gaza hospital that had killed hundreds maybe even over a 1,000 given that the hospital itself was bombed so the wounded would not get treatment. Complete carnage.

The headlines on ALL articles specifically said “Israeli airstrike”.

None other than Hananya Naftali IDF digital spokesperson quickly claimed responsibility with a tweet that he later deleted.

https://t.me/warmonitors/16345

(https://t.me/warmonitors/16345)warmonitors/16345

Another Israeli government account said that “euthanasia” had been provided to collapsing Gaza hospitals. That tweet was also deleted.

Israel has been giving evacuation orders to hospitals all week and threatening to bomb them.

With immediate outrage over the next 3 hours, the entire NATO media narrative quckly scrubbed those headlines replacing it with “Israel blames xyz” soon to be followed by Israel has “proof” that xyz dunnit.

You do not trust the BBC one bit? So when they report the football scores do you actually think they are all wrong and England didn't beat Italy 3-1 last night and they actually are not qualifying for the euros.


The BBC definitely have an agenda on many issues including this one but they are also under some scrutiny. Although I am sceptical of all. I would trust what they say on this issue more than I would on jihadist publications that have more skin in the game.

It sounds like from your post that we should apportion blame by the nature of social media posts and not hard forensic evidence that exists from video footage of the event and the aftermath on the ground. So the police would be better at investigating crimes by analysing the social media posts than by doing a thorough investigation of the crime scene?

Im not even convinced that Hananya Naftali is the IDF spokesperson. Although he does seem to work with the government as a social media advisor and content creator.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/17akt5h/hananya_naftali_is_not_netanyahus_spokesperson/


Naftali is an Israeli human rights activist with more than 350,000 followers and has been continuously tweeting about the conflict.

He describes himself as: “That Israeli who talks to the camera about peace in the Middle East.” :chuckle: :facepalm:

Even if he is a IDF spokesperson, his tweets were not necessarily made with full awareness of all the details of the incident. This is not evidence that israel did it.

This is Hananya Naftalis response

Following the uproar, Naftali quickly apologised on Twitter, claiming he was simply quoting an article he had seen on Reuters.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/10/18/hananya-naftali-apologises-for-hospital-blast-tweet-claiming-israel-is-responsible/

Actually I think this is quite interesting
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I wouldn't be surprised if the agenda is to purposely make this whole event very ambiguous to decipher. To further create division.

[pueblo]

'It wasn't us': Israel releases new audio of Islamic Jihad 'admitting to hospital blast' that killed hundreds in Gaza

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Remember the old (they changed it a few years ago) Mossad motto? "By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Do War"

All war is deception, of course. We wouldn't have had a successful D-Day landing without it.

Why would Hamas be telling the truth though?

Of course, I was is no way implying that Hamas were telling the truth, only making the point that the Israelis de facto admitted they make war by deception with their motto. I have no idea or opinion about who bombed the hospital.

[ExomatrixTV]

US SURGES Troops To Israel, 19,000 Personnel DEPLOYED, War Is Coming:

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@onerider808 quote:

"I can’t help but observe that while we rush troops to protects Israel’s borders, meanwhile USA borders remain open and the invasion continues". unquote

[Ernie Nemeth]

Nobody bombed the hospitsl itself. No 500 dead.
Bomb hit parking lot.

[Gwin Ru]

[...]

... hard forensic evidence that exists from video footage of the event and the aftermath on the ground. So the police would be better at investigating crimes by analysing the social media posts than by doing a thorough investigation of the crime scene?.

... nothing of what one hears and barely 1/2 of what one sees... ever since 9-11 and the "White Helmets" photo shoots... never mind Ukraine:


...

... much less what one sees... the foke of war:


Is Israel's Iron Dome Defense System a hoax? You may be surprised what you discover in this video. Again, as always, look closely and do not accept what any government or parasite media outlet is telling you. (14 minutes, 52 seconds)
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https://t.me/davidavocadowolfe/109793

What's documented in the video is exactly the first impression I got when watching the alleged Hamas' rocket attacks coupled with control demolitions of buildings from other times and places: dull fireworks duds! :shielddeflect:

[Dorjezigzag]

Nobody bombed the hospitsl itself. No 500 dead.
Bomb hit parking lot.

I believe there were many who lost their lives in this situation.

The hospital is owned and run by the Anglican Church.

Canon Richard Sewell, the dean of St George's College in Jerusalem, told the BBC that about 1,000 displaced people were sheltering in the courtyard when it was hit.

I presume the outdoor courtyard looks onto the car park and was engulfed by the flames created by the ignited rocket fuel

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67144061

[ExomatrixTV]

The Hospital Narrative Completely Collapsed?

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6:53 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDxl_n5aDO8&t=413s) it starts

[norman]

The US has VETOED a SECOND United Nations resolution calling for a ceasefire in Gaza

https://t.me/LauraAbolichannel/47896
LauraAbolichannel/47896




The IDF says it has seen an overwhelmingly positive response to the call of reservists to take part in the expected ground offensive in the Gaza Strip

https://t.me/LauraAbolichannel/47828
LauraAbolichannel/47828



Supreme Leader of Iran Khamenei: If the crimes of the occupation in the Gaza Strip continue, the patience of the resistance and Muslims will run out and no one will be able to resist them.

https://t.me/LauraAbolichannel/47823
LauraAbolichannel/47823



Thousands march in support of Palestine in Athens

https://t.me/LauraAbolichannel/47899
LauraAbolichannel/47899



Hundreds of protesters gather in front of the French Embassy in Tunisia after thr hospital explosion in the Gaza Strip. Demonstrators condemn the position of France and the United States on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

https://t.me/LauraAbolichannel/47861
LauraAbolichannel/47861




Mass protest against Israel takes place in Adana, Turkey

https://t.me/LauraAbolichannel/47859
LauraAbolichannel/47859




Thousands protest in Jordan capital Amman outside Israeli embassy

https://t.me/LauraAbolichannel/47854
LauraAbolichannel/47854

[Dorjezigzag]

The Hospital Narrative Completely Collapsed?

wDxl_n5aDO8
6:53 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDxl_n5aDO8&t=413s) it starts

Thanks for sharing that, Luke Rudkowski eloquently articulating what I've been attempting to communicate.

[ExomatrixTV]

LIVE - HIGH ALERT! No ONE is ready for what's coming | Redacted with Clayton Morris


Europe is now on high alert as the middle east powder keg is set to explode. Will Iran launch a preemptive attack? Will the US pummel targets in Lebanon? Meanwhile President Putin is demanding that Netanyahu show the satellite proof that Biden claims absolves Israel of the gruesome Gaza hospital attack. "Prove it or it didn't happen".

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[Ernie Nemeth]

But I presented a fact, not speculation.

Instead it is being turned to the benefit of Hamas.
They now bombed their own hospital, perhaps by accident, and that we will never determine 100%, but in any case then blamed Israel.
From the videos it is clear that this was not a big bomb at all, but it did leave tell-tale signs of Hamas weaponry (small to no crater)
I listened to the Rudowski video and he concurs.

[ExomatrixTV]

Netanyahu & Biden Invoke Post-9/11 Framework to Advocate New War:

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linktr.ee/systemupdate_ (https://linktr.ee/systemupdate_)

[Michel Leclerc]

Replying to your moving stamp and coin Bill.

To all members: have you noticed that the word, the name “Palestine” is there in three languages: in English, in Hebrew, in Arabic (or rather in Arabic, in Hebrew for the right-to-left Semitic readers) on the stamp — in Arabic, English and Hebrew on the coin? The name of the country in Hebrew is Falastinah, not Israel.. ! ..although behind the full name in Hebrew that reads Falastinah, there is a small addition between brackets, which seems be a kind of compressed, seal-like compound set of letters, which may make up the name “Isra’el”.. Maybe the Hebrew-speaking or reading members of PA may be able to clarify what this addition stands for.

Another hint. For my Philosophy and Letters master in the 70s I studied Franz Kafka. During the last 6-7 years of his life (1917-1924) Kafka dreamed of emigrating to.. Palestine, as many of his fellow Jewish friends were doing. In not one of his writings, letters etc. is there a hint of “bringing civilisation to the savages”, let alone conquering the country etc. His, and his friends’ intent was only to get away from what they felt to be a doomed Europe – doomed because it had sent most youngsters of their generation to die amidst mud, rats and gas.

[grapevine]

SLAUGHTERHOUSE 5 - MOATS with George Galloway Ep 283


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGNbkzhaZq8

Scott Ritter presenting the MOATS show tonight with the emphasis on Palestine.

[norman]

Photojournalist Motaz Azaiza posted these just moments ago, from within Gaza:

https://t.me/georgenews/7421
georgenews/7421



Jordan's King Abdullah ll on Palestinian refugees:

"I think I can quite strongly speak on behalf of not only Jordan as a nation but of our friends in Egypt: That is a red line, because I think that is the plan by certain of the usual suspects to try and create de facto issues on the ground. No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt."

https://t.me/LauraAbolichannel/47907
LauraAbolichannel/47907


BERLIN – Violent clashes broke out tonight during a pro-Palestine protest.

https://t.me/WW3INFO/25898
WW3INFO/25898




Moments ago, Hamas targets Tel Aviv

https://t.me/WW3INFO/25897
WW3INFO/25897




NEW – Thousands of pro-Palestine protesters outside United States Capitol right now as hundreds gather inside, being arrested.

https://t.me/WW3INFO/25895
WW3INFO/25895




https://t.me/WW3INFO/25887
WW3INFO/25887

[Sirus]

Where's the protests calling for Hamas to release the hostages? Disgusting and one sided. Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and Kuwait kicked many of the Palestinians out of their countries for supposedly causing trouble. Perhaps they can take them back, or at least help the women and children.

The hospital bombing said to have been caused by the IDF turned out to be false at the worst and unverified at best.

The alleged attack on the convoy evacuating North Gaza was also disinformation.

I wonder what else people will choose to believe so long as it fits their anti-Isreal narrative?

[SilentFeathers]

Where's the protests calling for Hamas to release the hostages? Disgusting and one sided. Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and Kuwait kicked many of the Palestinians out of their countries for supposedly causing trouble. Perhaps they can take them back, or at least help the women and children.

The hospital bombing said to have been caused by the IDF turned out to be false at the worst and unverified at best.

The alleged attack on the convoy evacuating North Gaza was also disinformation.

I wonder what else people will choose to believe so long as it fits their anti-Isreal narrative?

I'll probably get criticized for saying this, but, so be it.

I don't think many people other than the Israeli population and most of their troops really give a damn about the hostages or even those Israelis that got slaughtered on Oct. 7th. There are some good people across the globe that also care, but many that don't. I'm sure many really do care, but I am so disgusted about all of this it's hard to be positive about anything lately. What I see happening around the globe though really gives me the sense that many don't seem to care about the hostages or the dead from Oct. 7th. More seem now to only just care to what's happening in Gaza.

The upper echelon of the Israeli Gov don't seem to care as they are bombing the hell out of Gaza not knowing if they are collapsing tunnels on hostages or blowing them to bit and pieces.

What's happening in Gaza is horrible, what happened on Oct 7th is horrible, no two sides about it, it's all the same thing....just seen from different perspectives falsely having two meanings.

[ExomatrixTV]

"This Is Genocide": FULL Interview with Palestine's Ambassador on Israel & Gaza:

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Independent journalist Richard Medhurst Interviews Salah Abdel Shafi, Ambassador of Palestine to Austria, Slovenia, Croatia and Permanent Observer of the State of Palestine to the UN in Vienna.


About Richard Medhurst: #RichardMedhurst is an independent journalist and commentator. Regular live streams and interviews with popular guests from the Left such as Glenn Greenwald, Mike Figueredo (Humanist Report) and Max Blumenthal (Grayzone). Fluent in English, Arabic, French, German, and having grown up across several continents, Medhurst’s show aims to provide a critical analysis of electoral politics and international affairs from an anti-imperialist viewpoint.

[Bill Ryan]

From The Moon of Alabama, several hours ago:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/wests-pro-israel-position-accelerates-its-loss-of-power.html#more
(https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/wests-pro-israel-position-accelerates-its-loss-of-power.html#more)
West's Pro-Israel Position Accelerates its Loss of Power

Western media start to note how their politicians' unwavering support for Israel and Ukraine is diminishing their countries' global standing.

At Naked Capitalism Yves Smith notes the devastating political effects of the Gaza bombing on Biden's foreign policies:

Biden Gets Zelensky Treatment in Middle East as Israel Tries to Escalate (https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/10/biden-gets-zelensky-treatment-in-middle-east-as-israel-tries-to-escalate.html)
The US, in a continued demonstration of the degree of enbubblement of what passes for its leadership, seems to believe it still has the force and soft power to be able to bully talk its way out of its geopolitical messes. Yet this week we have stunning examples of how critical players in the rest to the world no longer buy what the US is selling. The gap between the American establishment’s connection to reality and facts on the ground has opened up to a yawning chasm as the Arab world, as Jordan cancelled a Biden summit with its King Abduallah II plus PLO chief Mahmoud Abbas and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi in response to Israel’s shelling of Al-Ahli Arab hospital. Not only are they rejecting the attempt to shift blame for the attack to Hamas (we’ll soon address the “rogue shell” claim), but also the bigger pretense behind that, that the US is incapable of, as opposed to unwilling to, applying the choke chain to Israel. Even the Western media are not much on board with the Israeli and Biden Administration pretense that somehow Hamas dunnit, when Israel has been trying to herd Palestinians out of northern Gaza and specifically attempted to order the evacuation of the hospital. Oh, and this follows Israel ordering the UN to evacuate from Gaza in 24 hours and then shelling its warehouse there: ...
Israel bombed, probably with a U.S. made Hellfire missile (https://twitter.com/ionacraig/status/1714567591937675614), the courtyard of the Baptist al-Ahli Arab hospital where thousands had sought refuge. A short video of the immediate aftermath (https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1714603027154280944) shows several dozens if not hundreds of dead and wounded. Doctors later held a press conference (https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1714381390660202642) while standing among some of the casualties.

Like other hospitals al-Ahli Arab had been told by Israel to evacuate but could not do so as there are no other places where the sick and wounded, including many intensive care cases, could be cared for.

Three days earlier, notes the UN, the same hospital had, like others, already been bombed (https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/attacks-health-care-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories-12-15-october-2023):
14 October 2023: In Gaza city city and governorate, Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by Israeli airstrikes, partially damaging two floors and damaging the ultrasound and mammography room. Four people were injured. Sources: Al Jazeera V and Personal CommunicationTo then claim, as Biden did (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-biden-says-gaza-hospital-blast-appears-to-be-caused-by-the-other-team/), that 'the other team' was responsible for the attack is unfathomable.

It was also way too late (https://twitter.com/MikeRStephens/status/1714592713562083560) says a RUSI fellow:
Going to repeat this as the situation has moved more in the past 16 hours than in the previous week. The plates have shifted, radically. The window for Israeli operations has shrunk from more than a month, to a few days...if at all.
That is now the reality of where we stand.
No country besides the U.S. and a few Europeans will ever defend such barbarity. They will simply stop listen to what the 'west' has to say.

The Financial Times quotes a G7-official who struggles with this global divide:

Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine (https://www.ft.com/content/e0b43918-7eaf-4a11-baaf-d6d7fb61a8a5) (archived (https://archive.ph/u5SPs))
Western support for Israel’s assault on Gaza has poisoned efforts to build consensus with significant developing countries on condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine, officials and diplomats have warned. The reaction to the October 7 attack on Israel by Islamist militant group Hamas and to Israel’s vow to hit back against Gaza has undone months of work to paint Moscow as a global pariah for breaching international law, they said, exposing the US, EU and their allies to charges of hypocrisy.
In the flurry of emergency diplomatic visits, video conferences and calls, western officials have been accused of failing to defend the interests of 2.3mn Palestinians in their rush to condemn the Hamas attack and support Israel.
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The backlash had solidified entrenched positions in the developing world on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, officials said. They warned that this could derail future diplomatic efforts on Ukraine.
“We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”
...
Some American diplomats are privately concerned that the Biden administration’s response has failed to acknowledge how its broad support of Israel can alienate much of the Global South.
Looking at the current BRI anniversary meeting of some 140 states in Beijing, the New York Times voices similar concerns:

New Global Divisions on View as Biden Goes to Israel and Putin to China (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/world/europe/biden-israel-putin-china.html)
Russia and China are siding with a Palestinian people seeking liberation and self-determination, while in Washington’s eyes, they themselves deny those same possibilities to the Ukrainians, the Tibetans, the Uyghurs and even to the Taiwanese. But in their reluctance to blame Hamas and effort to associate themselves with the Palestinian cause, both Russia and China are appealing to a wider sentiment in the so-called Global South — and in large parts of Europe, too. For them, it is Israel that is conducting a colonialist policy by its occupation of the West Bank, its encouragement of Jewish settlers on Palestinian land and its isolation of the 2.3 million people of Gaza, who are subjected even in normal times to sharp restrictions on their freedoms.
The Global South, a term for developing nations, is a vital area of the new competition between the West and the Chinese-Russian alternative, said Hanna Notte, the director of a Eurasia program at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies.
From the point of view of many in the Global South, she said, “the United States fights Russia, the occupier of Ukraine, but when it comes to Israel, the U.S. is on the side of the occupier, and Russia taps into that.”
The editorial board of the Washington Post also declares the failure of U.S. policies:

It would be a moral and strategic mistake to ignore Gaza’s plight (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/17/gaza-israel-humanitarian/)
Still, the plight of Gazans has been treated by the United States and the wider international community as a sad but immutable fact in an irresolvable conflict. This was a moral and strategic error, helping promote the instability that has, for now, wrecked efforts on the part of Israel, the United States and Arab states to build a durable diplomatic settlement among the region’s big players.The Carnegie Council explains how the global rift necessitates a change in western policies. It especially sees a need to ditch the so called "value-" or "rules-based-order" policies:

A Requiem for the Rules-Based Order
(https://www.carnegiecouncil.org/media/article/requiem-rules-based-order)
The Case for Value-Neutral Ethics in International Relations
Regardless of how it eventually concludes, the Russo-Ukrainian War represents a seismic event signaling profound changes in the global landscape. The unipolar era is at its end, major countries are more concerned with their cultural sovereignty and strategic autonomy than they have been in decades, and it seems inevitable that the once-dominant Western hegemony must gradually yield to a more diverse and multipolar system. The period following World War II witnessed the ascendancy of the United States and its allies as architects of a new international order premised on the institutionalization of Western values such as democracy and human rights. This Western-centric approach to global governance—known as the “rules-based order”—has encountered mounting challenges. China's rise, Russia's geopolitical subversiveness, and the growing assertiveness of emerging powers from the Global South have eroded Western dominance. The outcome is a more diverse world, characterized by multiple centers of power coexisting, challenging any single ideology or set of substantive values.
...
Our particular sense of morality in the West should not stop us from aspiring to pursue what’s both wise and right. The evolving international order, characterized by polycentrism and multipolarity, challenges the conventional Western-dominated “rules-based” order. Drawing from Nietzsche's perspective on values, we recognize that values are context-dependent rather than innate, timeless, or universal. Similarly, the decline of our ancien regime does not spell the end of international ethics. If the current transition is understood correctly, it could promise the birth of a new normative system based on a functional, value-neutral, situational, and diplomatic ethic that has its primary concern in managing reciprocal relations between world powers.
Instead of attempting to impose our values on others (no matter how good or true we think they are), we in the West should prioritize engagement with other major powers based on common interests and shared objectives. ...
...
In sum, within the intellectual framework offered by cultural realism, we need an alternative instrumentalist and pragmatic ethic that 1) accepts the realities of power politics and spheres of interest without moralizing and projecting a Manichaean mentality upon the world, and 2) is grounded in principles that are conducive to a pluralist modus vivendi, including mutual and equal recognition, statesmanship, non-interference, humility, strategic empathy, and open dialogue.
Some might say that the west will never change its behavior but I do not believe that.

The west WILL HAVE TO change its behavior or it will go down into history's graveyard. There is no longer an alternative as the 'rules based order' has proven to be an unsellable dead end.

[Bill Ryan]

I found this interesting. The short video below (18 seconds) compares the hospital bomb with the audio and video of a known JDAM bomb. As best as I can see, any of the relatively small Hamas rockets could NOT have done this. I'm no munitions expert, but many others with expert knowledge seem to be saying the same thing.

HOWEVER — as I posted (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122055-Israel-vs-Hamas-a-New-Middle-East-War&p=1582349#post1582349) a few hours ago, it doesn't really matter. The damage is done, literally and figuratively. :flower: The extremely extensive, diverse, and potentially powerful Arab world is now united against Israel and the US. That's quite something to have been achieved, however it happened.

The focus now, I think and feel, is on geopolitical response, possible further escalation, the huge dangers that lie like hidden traps everywhere, Biden's awful and embarrassing stumbling and bumbling, and the earnest efforts of Russia, China, Brazil and the UAE for the UN Security Council to formally mandate a ceasefire. And, of course, what's happening to those civilians who are caught up in all this and who are young and/or otherwise completely innocent victims.

Here's the video:

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83947

The text:
No matter how the Israeli side tries to lie about the strike on the hospital, they can no longer hide the facts.
Compare in the video the characteristic sound from the arrival of the American bomb with the JDAM complex.

ZandVchannel/83947

[Rizotto]

Were there not reports of TWO separate attacks on the Gaza hospital? That might have left two different sets of debris fields/damage/craters?

The reality is, that Isreal has the motivation and a good deal of practice in carrying out attacks that they try to blame on others. Remember the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, and the 9/11 Dancing Israelis Mossad agents. Even Netanyhu himself charmingly admitted that 9/11 was good for Isreal. Who doubts that they had a heavy involvement in 9/11?

The IDF certainly has the technology to drop specialized bombs that may explode above the target, etc. etc. And it's now obvious that the IDF had stand down orders on October 7.

The most worrying aspect is the USA air carrier ships now stationed near Isreal. One of them had been stationed there for a while, as if they had already been anticipating an all-out war in the region. They want war, even as the USA itself is falling apart, a indication they don't care about people, or that the more populations that die the better. Isn't obvious by now that's their end goal. I'll never ceased to be amazed at the servicemen carrying out such orders. Like the Israeli pilots in 1967 who knew very well they were killing USA servicemen of the USS Liberty.

[shaberon]

I don't understand your answer.


Not sure I understand the question:

Why would Hamas tell the truth?


Anglo-Zionism is a lie from the beginning.

That does not put the lie to Arabs or Palestinians.

An event cannot happen these days without numerous English opinions, versions, arguments, and so on. The Islamic sphere is pretty united in one message, at least on this subject. I would say that when the Syrian situation hit, I shut out the Anglo sources, permanently. I have followed what comes from the sources in these foreign countries. I have not found an issue of deceit present there. Instead, most everything English is brain damaging.

I would suggest that because it is possible to quote Sun Tzu, that sometimes Israel confesses deceit, and sometimes false flags are used, that does not determine every single action or statement in the world.

Nor does initial investment in something like Hamas, Taliban, or African state governments, carry any guarantee that they will continue to follow the anticipated return on that investment. They may simply steal it. They may have deceived American politicians in that way.


Jordanians translate to English for us:

https://cdn.presstv.ir/Photo/2023/10/18/8fac22ba-b611-4899-bff9-b3af3701b4af.jpg



Real Jews occupy US Congressional office:

https://cdn.presstv.ir/Photo/2023/10/18/ae4699b2-6b15-4342-8b8b-f30b208572f5.jpg



"Palestinian people are not only numbers. It’s time for you to wake up Europe, don’t teach us about human rights," 19-year-old Egyptian student Mahmoud Atif says.



As to our system (https://sputnikglobe.com/20231018/growing-portions-of-americans-now-believe-democracy-no-longer-viable-system---poll-1114304414.html):



Billionaire venture capitalist and conservative political donor Peter Thiel once famously opined that “capitalist democracy,” is an “oxymoron,” voicing support for neoliberal economic policy at the expense of notions of democracy.


As the United States continues to experience a major institutional crisis, a new survey shows declining support for concepts often claimed to be fundamental values of the country.

The new poll, released this month, shows almost a third of former US President Donald Trump’s supporters agree with the statement that “democracy is no longer a viable system” within the intensely polarized country, and that “America should explore alternative forms of government to ensure stability and progress.” Almost a quarter of President Joe Biden’s supporters endorsed the statement.

47% of Trump supporters think the Democratic Party is “a threat to the American way of life,” while 52% of Biden supporters believe Republicans are. Many Americans (38% of Trump backers and 41% of Biden supporters) even endorsed the long-stigmatized idea of political violence as an acceptable response to prevent supporters of the opposing party from “achieving their goals.”

On the issue of freedom of expression, large numbers of supporters of each candidate also support the regulation or restriction of “views considered discriminatory or offensive:” 47% of Biden supporters think the government should be tasked with this duty, and 35% of Trump supporters do.

I have no idea who those people are. They are stuck in a rut of supporting either one.


Hamas (https://tass.com/world/1693179) vows to provide proof that Israel struck hospital in Gaza Strip.

Remembering Bill's remark, he said that even if Hamas hit the hospital, it doesn't matter.

Not in terms of the current reputation of the regimes. That already went splat.

The fact of neighbor states telling the Gazans to stay home leaves two possibilities. They are exterminated, in which case US--Israel will be cast off by the world. Or, Israel will be defeated, in which case they will be cast off from the world.


Another example could perhaps be getting arrested. If you cooperate, you will be treated better. If they think you are lying, you will be paved. One time I committed such a heinous felony that the house could have simply been confiscated. I got a ticket. It was a split second decision against attacking the person that approached me, followed by truthful cooperation. It was backed up by SWAT and I could have easily gotten killed. Diplomacy is like that.

Presuming Hamas to be lying for the express purpose of exterminating that population they consist of, is a bit far-reaching, but we can keep this as a technical possibility as the events unfold.

[Paul D.]

This is a screenshot from a twitter thread from Jeff Berwick .He explains in the text .
It's far from the first time The Economist have been used like this as well.

Sorry it's not the sharpest of pictures ,it needs 'clicking on' . I think the main points can be seen though.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... about that disputed rocket/missile, here is some more relevant points:
'Israel' plans on using mass-killing new bombs on Gaza: Hersh (https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israel-plans-using-mass-killing-new-bombs-on-gaza:-hersh)


By Al Mayadeen English
Source: Agencies
15 Oct 2023 12:01
Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh (https://seymourhersh.substack.com/) claims that a bombing using upgraded JDAMS is planned to occur on Sunday or Monday.

The Israeli occupation is planning an aggression on Gaza using a new version of Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) bombs capable of killing all people within "one-half mile" from the dropping site, US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said on Sunday, citing sources.

1714337792971382977



Comment: (https://www.sott.net/article/485227-Israeli-airstrike-devastates-Al-Ahli-Hospital-in-Gaza-claims-over-500-lives)


https://www.sott.net/avatar/friend/37829 (https://www.sott.net/user/37829-RockFall) RockFall (https://www.sott.net/user/37829-RockFall) · about 4 hours ago

I posted this link two days before the hospital bombing. [Link (https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israel-plans-using-mass-killing-new-bombs-on-gaza:-hersh)]
It seems that Mr. Seymour Hersh was right.

Additionally, based on the speed, angle of entry, and the type of explosion, it's known what kind of missile was fired from an aircraft, along with many image comparisons confirm it was a USA-manufactured JDAM. There's no doubt that Israel did it, but they have the audacity and arrogance to accuse the Palestinians of doing it and the presumption that the rest of the world is as foolish and gullible as to believe them. It's what makes you believe you are the supreme race in the known universe

This implies U.S. involvement, which will lead to an escalation throughout the region.

Here's another article about how many international laws Israel has violated. [Link (https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/yanis-varoufakis-lists-all-intl-laws-broken-by-israel-since)]

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1714816126897598680

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https://x.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1714703128564531268

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1714817903088771265

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1714794116628840696

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https://x.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1714813044591673603

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https://x.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1714817414829875302

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[Paul D.]

A 5 min 54 secs vid. with a weapons expert adding more evidence to the claim that it was a deliberate I.D.F. strike.

US WEAPONS EXPERT DEBUNKS ISRAEL’S DENIAL OF GAZA HOSPITAL MASSACRE

Dylan Griffith, a US Army veteran, contested Israel's assertion that a Palestinian 'misfired rocket' hit the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital, using visual evidence to challenge their account.
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[Ravenlocke]

Text:
🇮🇱🇲🇦🇪🇬 Israel evacuated its diplomatic missions from Morocco and Egypt

The Israeli Foreign Ministry evacuated staff from the Israeli embassy in Cairo, Egypt, and from the liaison office in Rabat, Morocco, on October 18 due to protests in support of Palestinians amid the Israel-Hamas war.

Protests have taken place outside of the Israeli missions in Cairo, Rabat, and Amman, Jordan, as well as at other Israeli embassies worldwide.

The demonstrations also denounce the explosion at the Al-Ahli al-Arabi Hospital in Gaza, which killed at least 471 people and wounded 314 others. Palestinian authorities attributed the blast to an Israeli airstrike, which Israeli officials have denied. Investigations of the incident are ongoing.

Israeli authorities have increased security measures at diplomatic missions globally. The evacuation of remaining Israeli diplomatic missions throughout the MENA region is possible in the coming days.

africaintel

https://x.com/dana916/status/1714826778676498886

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[SilentFeathers]

Were there not reports of TWO separate attacks on the Gaza hospital? That might have left two different sets of debris fields/damage/craters?

The reality is, that Isreal has the motivation and a good deal of practice in carrying out attacks that they try to blame on others. Remember the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, and the 9/11 Dancing Israelis Mossad agents. Even Netanyhu himself charmingly admitted that 9/11 was good for Isreal. Who doubts that they had a heavy involvement in 9/11?

The IDF certainly has the technology to drop specialized bombs that may explode above the target, etc. etc. And it's now obvious that the IDF had stand down orders on October 7.

The most worrying aspect is the USA air carrier ships now stationed near Isreal. One of them had been stationed there for a while, as if they had already been anticipating an all-out war in the region. They want war, even as the USA itself is falling apart, a indication they don't care about people, or that the more populations that die the better. Isn't obvious by now that's their end goal. I'll never ceased to be amazed at the servicemen carrying out such orders. Like the Israeli pilots in 1967 who knew very well they were killing USA servicemen of the USS Liberty.

The Gaza bombing doesn't matter anymore, "they" told us who did it. Tomorrow something else will happen to shift the focus from it. It's almost always the ones who wrote the script and the director that control the theater.

It's always about the money, humans are expendable. It's looking more and more like the US is desperately trying to keep the dollar propped up. Unfortunately, war seems to be the fastest way to get dollars into circulation and to give the economy, stock market etc. a shot of adrenalin so to speak. I believe the FED is about to start those printing machines up again and put them in overdrive!

My theory, (one of them). If the dollar fails, the US fails, or at best becomes a third world nation. If the US fails who will have Israels back? No one....Without the US military might to back Israel, Israel will likely be annihilated. This one theory of mine alone gives the US and Israel the motive to have orchestrated this whole ordeal to create war. Ugly theory but nothing would surprise me anymore.

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/dana916/status/1714818006654530023

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/matincantweet/status/1714827638403936745

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https://x.com/Sprinter99800/status/1714686489731162467

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1714796564055548283

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https://x.com/Sprinter99800/status/1714767252938015114

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1714819030106742917

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[shaberon]

His, and his friends’ intent was only to get away from what they felt to be a doomed Europe – doomed because it had sent most youngsters of their generation to die amidst mud, rats and gas.


Interesting.

Describes the settlement of the U. S., refugees from Europe mostly. Only a tiny few could have been described as "brave new world explorers" in the colonies; about 49% German at the time.

1800s was automatic asylum for Italian refugees from the Pope.

Things are different now, but, that is why there was a main early bloc of British/Germans/Italians. Not for a change of scenery, for escape.

People like Kafka who went to Palestine probably had no idea they were being lured into the new death machine, and then even through the 50s-60s, people like the Irgun were probably not quite making headlines, and so it would have still been difficult to know. I am trying to recall when I first heard anything about Israel other than as victims of the Nazis.

I think it was indirect, after a few Germans told me about Germany. I was raised to mistrust the United States, but that did not come with much additional information. The lack of trust led me to question why Germans were being painted as pure evil. Eventually I got an opportunity to choose a topic for a school paper, which landed right around Kafka:

What was Germany in the inter-war years?

How do you go from burning cash to stay warm, and turn around suddenly having an advanced arms industry?


And so I think it was the lack of consistency--or even sensibility--to the common story of Germany, which led to questions about Israel.

Had to figure it out on my own. No one told me anything. Once it started, it was like wiping haze off a mirror.

Well, that was probably ten years after questioning Christianity, but I was not pressing religious issues into modern politics.

I don't like politics. A government should work so efficiently that you can basically ignore it. Much to my chagrin, because Europe and the US are vassals of lies and violence, I don't recommend looking the other way while they are at their offices.

I can sympathize with not knowing about this stuff, but what I don't get is the inability to accept new information, or the emotional resistance about processing it and changing oneself inside.

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1714807016487575808

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https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1714814221764960585

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[shaberon]

Minor update by way of repeating the same message.


Joining the chorus (https://en.irna.ir/news/85262599/Iran-s-Chief-Rabbi-deplores-anti-human-acts-of-Israeli-regime):


Iran’s Chief Rabbi has condemned the anti-human acts and policies of the Zionist regime of Israel after the regime’s military carried out a brutal bombing against a hospital in the Palestinian enclave of Gaza, killing at least 500 people.

Younes Hamami Lalehzar said on Wednesday that the crimes committed by the Israeli regime should not be linked to the Jews and their religion.



And, learning his name, he is in a picture (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-s-jews-on-life-inside-israel-s-enemy-state-we-feel-secure-and-happy-a6934931.html) from a synagogue shown in another interview in the UK Independent 2016:



Despite its often turbulent dealings with Israel, Iran has one of the world's largest and longest-established Jewish communities - and it's growing.

"Benjamin Netanyahu and the anti-Semites need each other: they supply each other with what they need – intolerance and hatred." This is the vehemently held view of Ciamak Morsadegh, a newly elected Iranian parliamentarian. "It is an unspoken alliance which suits them, but it causes great harm to the rest of us." The MP is Jewish, representing the largest Jewish community in the Middle East outside Israel, one that is growing in size while those in almost all other Muslim countries in the region have shrunk severely or disappeared altogether – largely due to persecution.

"The fact is, Iran is a place where Jews feel secure and we are happy to be here," he says. "We are proud to be Iranian. I know this doesn't follow the Zionist script, but this is the reality."

"No one forces the Jews to stay here," says Morsadegh, a large figure, full of energy, at his office in the Sapir Medical Centre in Tehran. "The Israelis offer money to Jewish people to emigrate to Israel, but we choose to stay. My view is that the actions of Netanyahu and his government, the way they behave towards the Palestinians, cause problems for Jews everywhere. I am not the only one holding these views. Am I not allowed to say it because I am a Jew? " He waves his arms amid a haze of smoke from his constant chain of Winston cigarettes.

"Traditionally, the Jewish community here has been in medicine and pharmacy, while in the West they have been a lot in finance. They do very well in these fields and other professions as well; there isn't that much interest in politics," he replies. "We have been left to get on with our lives. We haven't had the terrible pogroms that happened in the West – which were due to Christian intolerance – and even now we can see the situation is dangerous for Jews in Europe. Synagogues need to be guarded there because of attacks. There is no need for any of that here."

"Intermarriage to other communities is very low here, just 0.1 per cent of the population; it's 40 per cent in the UK, I think, and 20 per cent even in Israel, so you see the difference. The numbers are going up because the birth rate is quite high among our people, but it is by a very small amount."

There are different chronologies of the Jewish presence in what is now Iran. It began, it is believed, in 722BC, when the Assyrian king Shalmaneser V conquered Israel and sent the 10 "lost tribes" into exile.


Back to Rabbi Lalehzar 2021 (https://www.taghribnews.com/en/news/503035/orthodox-jews-first-opposed-zionists-iranian-jewish-leader):



"Orthodox Jews, first opposed Zionists",

" Zionism is inspired by European nationalist movements with emphasis on some Jewish ambitions without maintaining the religious aspects that is why several orthodox Jews were against the movement from the beginning."

Rabbi Younes Hamami Lalehzar added that the first opposition with Zionism was on the side of Jews and orthodox Jews because they do not recognize that as a lifestyle or path of Prophet Moses (AS).

He referred to the Jewish community living in the occupied lands that oppose and clash with Zionists.

Leader of the Jewish community referred to the active role of the Iranian Jews for annual International Quds Day ceremony.

He called on the world Jews to stand by the oppressed Palestinians in the occupied lands.


And this is what we get (https://sana.sy/en/?p=318919):


Little white shoe

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My name was Haya. I am not in difference with the rest of the children in the world except that I am from Gaza.

That little white shoe was my only treasure. I wear it everywhere, because I am from Gaza. We never had many shoes, toys, food, or even air. The enemy of our ancestors stole everything around us. Our fathers forgave them for occupying most of our country and did not allow us for staying there.

I was wearing that white shoe yesterday morning, October 17, 2023. I was with my mother in al-Mamdani Hospital, which no longer exists today, awaiting news about the health condition of my little brother who was injured in the Israeli bombing of our house the day before.

On my way to the hospital, I just wanted to see my little brother coming home with us, and I looked at my white shoes, and I thought to myself, “If my mother would buy my brother white shoes of his own when we returned.”

Israeli occupation planes bombed the hospital above everyone’s heads.

My white shoes no longer make a difference. Perhaps they make a difference to you who live in distant parts of this big world… and perhaps you have a lot of shoes and do not want more. As for me, my brother, and my mother, the Israelis gave us all white shrouds.

[Tintin]

Were there not reports of TWO separate attacks on the Gaza hospital?

Yes, there were: do see Bill's post back up here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122055-Israel-vs-Hamas-a-New-Middle-East-War&p=1582464&viewfull=1#post1582464), (post #628) from the Moon of Alabama, and, quote:


Three days earlier, notes the UN, the same hospital had, like others, already been bombed:
14 October 2023: In Gaza city city and governorate, Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by Israeli airstrikes, partially damaging two floors and damaging the ultrasound and mammography room. Four people were injured. Sources: Al Jazeera V and Personal Communication

Much has been made of this incident, and whoever being responsible, and it is of course terrible (and criminal) whoever is culpable. But it is a tragic corollary of the decades old "mowing" that Israeli Zionists have been visiting on the Palestinian population before, and that they continue to do regardless of whoever was responsible for attacking the hospital, all condemnable events.

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Some passing thoughts, right now, after only one cup of tea; I'll need more:

We are somewhat more awake here on this forum, for example, to the nuances between Jewish-ness and Zion-ist which aren't really nuanced but poles apart ideologically, let alone spiritually; one being set up (created) to besmirch through expropriation, the other; a cloak.

I'm with those seeking a humanitarian resolution to this and understand very well the frustrations of the Orthodox Jews in Israel who are anti-Zionist, as I am. Those Jews - the practitioners of the faith - not an ethnic group (and oh how those have become conflated, by deliberate design!) are some of the most important voices to be heard here. Those Torahic faithful should be invited to sit on a UN Peace Resolution Council as a permanent member.

Anti-Zionist isn't anti-Semitic: this is a deliberate linguistic trick, and an oxymoron. Folks bandy around these terms as if we're all in agreement about what they mean. Well, I missed that meeting.

As has been correctly pointed out by others here on this thread (@shaberon and @Michel_Leclerc I think) 'Semitic' relates only ever to language, as in the Druidic tradition where one can never be anti-Semitic as it too, the phrase, is an oxymoronic construct. One can never be against the "man who hears" or the "people who listen."

Being clearer in our interactions linguistically would be a very good start in wading through the trenches of treacle laid before us. If we do use these phrases then let's perhaps do so with some understanding of what they actually mean, or, maybe not at all.

We're doing alright here I'd say. Not perfect, but making a really good go of it :muscle: :flower:

If only our well intentioned efforts could inflame the internet more widely.

End of some passing thoughts, and on to another much needed cup of tea

[grapevine]

I miss loads all the time . . .(Has anyone got any tips for picking up where they left off??)


I worked this out for myself, and for others: Bookmark the last post you thanked as a marker :thumbsup:



Why would Hamas be telling the truth though?
I don’t think anyone’s telling the truth in this situation, which is often a moot area anyway, depending on personal pov and how we are personally impacted. And in some cultures, telling the truth isn’t necessarily the same “truth” as ours. As has been said in other posts, innocent people are dying and more than one hospital has been bombed in this conflict so maybe we shouldn’t get hung up on that right now. Finding a way forward and stop escalation is paramount.

To this end, I feel this can only be done diplomatically by an uncompromised party who is trusted by all involved, and it’s becoming increasingly obvious that this is Russia/Putin, who has already spoken to all leaders in the surrounding states.

So where could they start?

On GB News yesterday, there was a panel discussion about Gaza and Stephen Pound (ex Labour MP) commented that if the surrounding Arab states each donated .001% of their GDP, Palestine would be a paradise. This is a great place to start rather than ploughing their money into English football clubs when there’s trouble at home. And why not donate some land and give Palestine a place of their own, as was done for Israel years back? Israel as well.

Obviously I’m not a diplomat and my suggestion as it is above would probably start WW3, but an experienced diplomat could negotiate a way forward acceptable to all sides, and if only one state agrees then it’s a start (thinking Henry Fonda in 12 Angry Men). In the West we’ve been led to believe that the leaders of the Arab states are (more than) a little unstable, but I don’t think this is the case. All most people want is to live their lives in peace with families and friends. It's only those with vested interests - and we all know who they are - who are behind world chaos. We've all had enough. Let's vote them out (Idealist speak I know).

[Tintin]

SLAUGHTERHOUSE 5 - MOATS with George Galloway Ep 283


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGNbkzhaZq8

Scott Ritter presenting the MOATS show tonight with the emphasis on Palestine.

The opening segment here delivered with typical panache :muscle: :flower: :highfive:

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[thirtythree]

Nope. I do not trust the BBC one bit.

The stranglehold that Israel has over NATO media has never been demonstrated so clearly as between 8pm and midnight (UK time) yesterday.

At around 8pm UK time, BBC and all other NATO media reported a huge “Israeli airstrike” on a Gaza hospital that had killed hundreds maybe even over a 1,000 given that the hospital itself was bombed so the wounded would not get treatment. Complete carnage.

The headlines on ALL articles specifically said “Israeli airstrike”.

None other than Hananya Naftali IDF digital spokesperson quickly claimed responsibility with a tweet that he later deleted.

https://t.me/warmonitors/16345

(https://t.me/warmonitors/16345)warmonitors/16345

Another Israeli government account said that “euthanasia” had been provided to collapsing Gaza hospitals. That tweet was also deleted.

Israel has been giving evacuation orders to hospitals all week and threatening to bomb them.

With immediate outrage over the next 3 hours, the entire NATO media narrative quckly scrubbed those headlines replacing it with “Israel blames xyz” soon to be followed by Israel has “proof” that xyz dunnit.

You do not trust the BBC one bit? So when they report the football scores do you actually think they are all wrong and England didn't beat Italy 3-1 last night and they actually are not qualifying for the euros.


The BBC definitely have an agenda on many issues including this one but they are also under some scrutiny. Although I am sceptical of all. I would trust what they say on this issue more than I would on jihadist publications that have more skin in the game.

It sounds like from your post that we should apportion blame by the nature of social media posts and not hard forensic evidence that exists from video footage of the event and the aftermath on the ground. So the police would be better at investigating crimes by analysing the social media posts than by doing a thorough investigation of the crime scene?

Im not even convinced that Hananya Naftali is the IDF spokesperson. Although he does seem to work with the government as a social media advisor and content creator.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/17akt5h/hananya_naftali_is_not_netanyahus_spokesperson/


Naftali is an Israeli human rights activist with more than 350,000 followers and has been continuously tweeting about the conflict.

He describes himself as: “That Israeli who talks to the camera about peace in the Middle East.” :chuckle: :facepalm:

Even if he is a IDF spokesperson, his tweets were not necessarily made with full awareness of all the details of the incident. This is not evidence that israel did it.

This is Hananya Naftalis response

Following the uproar, Naftali quickly apologised on Twitter, claiming he was simply quoting an article he had seen on Reuters.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/10/18/hananya-naftali-apologises-for-hospital-blast-tweet-claiming-israel-is-responsible/

Actually I think this is quite interesting
MvogHimGuWo

I wouldn't be surprised if the agenda is to purposely make this whole event very ambiguous to decipher. To further create division.



Absurd comparison of the coverage of a potential attack on a hospital and the reporting of a football game that is watched by millions and recorded live by thousands.

My skepticism is based on BBC's history of coverups and Israel's track record of lies and human rights violations. I don't believe BBC is impartial in this conflict.

You assume that i believe Jihadi publications because i'm suspicious of MSM?
In light of current events, I will agree though that i'm paying more heed to raw information than a carefully constructed narrative.

[Tintin]

"Ceasefire Now!" in the Capitol :sun:

https://twitter.com/TorahJudaism/status/1714733023453679709

[SilentFeathers]

"Ceasefire Now!" in the Capitol :sun:

https://twitter.com/TorahJudaism/status/1714733023453679709

Yes, what's happening in Gaza is horrible but it's Hamas and Hamas's own charter that is blatantly calling for genocide of a peoples.
And then Israels response to Hamas appears genocidal, how can either side expect peace to magically appear behaving like this?
Everything about this whole ordeal is wrong, upside down and backwards.

[Rizotto]

Very interesting insights from Scott Ritter: the USA armed forces are short of thousands of personel and couldn't handle wars with Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Russia. The Israeli armed forces aren't that good, and Netanyahu is in a weak position having lost much of Israelis' trust, many of whom might prefer to just leave Isreal for good. The recent Ukrainian ATCM attack against a Russian airfield was a relatively minor event that has since provided the Russian armed forces with data to prevent any further such attacks. Russian forces' occupation of Karkov will become permanent, another region that Ukraine lost because of its insistence on fighting Russian forces. Etc.

(In fact, this interview might just as well belong in the Ukraine war thread, as half of it is about Ukraine.)

"War with Iran would be SUICIDE and the U.S. will lose" - Scott Ritter | Redacted w Clayton Morris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG-rPncdRiY

[Tintin]

From the lips of those who speak truth :flower: :sun: Perhaps better expressed as "the land occupied by Zionists and named Israel defined as 'The Holy Land'.

Source: https://twitter.com/TorahJudaism/status/1714718885381836918

Text:


"Israel is not the land of the Jewish People. The Jewish people are an ancient religious entity, not a nationality.
The land of Israel is defined in Judaism as the 'Holy Land', not a political state. Zionism is a distortion of Judaism.

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[Bill Ryan]

For 75 years, the Israeli government has illegally occupied Palestinian land and ethnically cleansed their communities.A couple of days ago I posted images (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122055-Israel-vs-Hamas-a-New-Middle-East-War&p=1582272&viewfull=1#post1582272) of an official Palestine stamp and a coin from when it was its own sovereign territory, prior to 1948.

Here's more. Just for the record. ("The history of Israel" might warrant its own thread, of course, but it really is relevant here. Nothing in the Middle East will ever be resolved until the Palestinian injustice is addressed.)

https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/National_Geographic_Palestine_1947_map.jpg

[Tintin]

Source: Soundcloud (https://soundcloud.com/empire-files/gazagenocide?ref=clipboard&p=i&c=0&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing)

Emergency Broadcast - Israel's Hospital Massacre & the Gaza Genocide - Empire Files from October 18th

I'm just now starting to listen to this, as described. emergency broadcast from Mike Prysner and Abby Martin. Abby is Ritter-level cross near the beginning here, and with much justification.

As many of us know here both Mike and Abby have spent time in the past documenting what happens in Gaza, on the ground.

It's here in the library as an mp3. It's a good couple hours long but here for those interested on what they have to say.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/2023-10-18_Emergency_Broadcast_-%20Israels_Hospital_Massacre_%26_the_Gaza_Genocide_-_Empire_Files_w_Abby_Martin.mp3

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RELATED:

GAZA FIGHTS FOR FREEDOM (2019)

Here's Empire Files' 2019 documentary - a must see, that I put in the library a couple of years or so ago :flower:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Empire_Files_%28Abby_Martin%29/Gaza_Fights_For_Freedom_%282019%29_Full_Documentary_Directed_by_Abby_Martin.mp4

[Dorjezigzag]

Nope. I do not trust the BBC one bit.

The stranglehold that Israel has over NATO media has never been demonstrated so clearly as between 8pm and midnight (UK time) yesterday.

At around 8pm UK time, BBC and all other NATO media reported a huge “Israeli airstrike” on a Gaza hospital that had killed hundreds maybe even over a 1,000 given that the hospital itself was bombed so the wounded would not get treatment. Complete carnage.

The headlines on ALL articles specifically said “Israeli airstrike”.

None other than Hananya Naftali IDF digital spokesperson quickly claimed responsibility with a tweet that he later deleted.

https://t.me/warmonitors/16345

(https://t.me/warmonitors/16345)warmonitors/16345

Another Israeli government account said that “euthanasia” had been provided to collapsing Gaza hospitals. That tweet was also deleted.

Israel has been giving evacuation orders to hospitals all week and threatening to bomb them.

With immediate outrage over the next 3 hours, the entire NATO media narrative quckly scrubbed those headlines replacing it with “Israel blames xyz” soon to be followed by Israel has “proof” that xyz dunnit.

You do not trust the BBC one bit? So when they report the football scores do you actually think they are all wrong and England didn't beat Italy 3-1 last night and they actually are not qualifying for the euros.


The BBC definitely have an agenda on many issues including this one but they are also under some scrutiny. Although I am sceptical of all. I would trust what they say on this issue more than I would on jihadist publications that have more skin in the game.

It sounds like from your post that we should apportion blame by the nature of social media posts and not hard forensic evidence that exists from video footage of the event and the aftermath on the ground. So the police would be better at investigating crimes by analysing the social media posts than by doing a thorough investigation of the crime scene?

Im not even convinced that Hananya Naftali is the IDF spokesperson. Although he does seem to work with the government as a social media advisor and content creator.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/17akt5h/hananya_naftali_is_not_netanyahus_spokesperson/


Naftali is an Israeli human rights activist with more than 350,000 followers and has been continuously tweeting about the conflict.

He describes himself as: “That Israeli who talks to the camera about peace in the Middle East.” :chuckle: :facepalm:

Even if he is a IDF spokesperson, his tweets were not necessarily made with full awareness of all the details of the incident. This is not evidence that israel did it.

This is Hananya Naftalis response

Following the uproar, Naftali quickly apologised on Twitter, claiming he was simply quoting an article he had seen on Reuters.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/10/18/hananya-naftali-apologises-for-hospital-blast-tweet-claiming-israel-is-responsible/

Actually I think this is quite interesting
MvogHimGuWo

I wouldn't be surprised if the agenda is to purposely make this whole event very ambiguous to decipher. To further create division.



Absurd comparison of the coverage of a potential attack on a hospital and the reporting of a football game that is watched by millions and recorded live by thousands.

My skepticism is based on BBC's history of coverups and Israel's track record of lies and human rights violations. I don't believe BBC is impartial in this conflict.

You assume that i believe Jihadi publications because i'm suspicious of MSM?
In light of current events, I will agree though that i'm paying more heed to raw information than a carefully constructed narrative.

I really wish people would thoroughly read my posts before commenting back and misrepresenting my words

This was a light hearted way to point out the absurdity of your comment that you don't believe the BBC one bit. Of course, on many news reports you will trust what they report. For instance on the football.

I said myself in my post that I believe the BBC have an agenda on the Israel issue and I am sceptical. That is different to saying I do not believe the BBC one bit which would be an inauthentic statement. Sometimes the BBC can report something that will be useful and I can asses it through the lens of their known agenda

Where did I say in my post that you believe Jihadi publications because you don't believe the BBC one bit? That is you jumping to a conclusion that I did not make

I'm just merely pointing out they have an agenda as well. That they should be treated as sceptically if not more than the BBC because they have more skin in the game .

But I am not going to make ludicrous statements like 'I do not trust Jihadi publications one bit' because they probably have some interesting insights on certain issues which again I can asses through the lens of their known agenda

[Gwin Ru]

...

... long, detailed article with documenting videos and twxxtx:
The Israeli Massacre At Al-Ahli Hospital In Gaza: Fact vs Fiction (https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/israeli-massacre-ahli-hospital/)
The Last American VagabondsSimilar from Mike Adams investigating what is known about the kill shot:
BREAKING: Compelling video evidence points to Israeli AIR BURST bomb striking al-Ahli hospital grounds, killing hundreds of Palestinian civilians as they slept on courtyard grounds adjacent to the parking lot (https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-10-19-video-evidence-points-to-israeli-air-burst-bomb-striking-al-ahli-hospital-grounds.html)
10/19/2023 // Mike Adams (https://www.naturalnews.com/author/healthranger) //

[ExomatrixTV]

Is World War 3 Next? What China is Doing NOW!

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Israel and Hamas are at war and many have speculated this is the start of World War 3. What's astonishing is that some people are even claiming that China is behind this! What is China's official stance on the war? Is China supporting Hamas? What is the truth behind China and Israel, let's break it all down in today's video!



MSM Got Gaza Hospital Story WRONG; So-Called 'DISINFORMATION' Expert's EPIC FAIL: Robby Soave

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Robby Soave criticizes media coverage of the bombing of the hospital in Gaza.



What Did Biden Promise Netanyahu?

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President Biden has completed his meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, with media reporting that he gave a "green light" for Israel to begin a ground operation in Gaza. Many questions remain unanswered, including the role of US military assets in the area and what mission, if any, US troops might have in support of Israeli military action. Also today: Jewish peace groups arrested in US Capitol office buildings and rockets begin flying into US bases in Iraq and Syria.

[SilentFeathers]

For 75 years, the Israeli government has illegally occupied Palestinian land and ethnically cleansed their communities.A couple of days ago I posted images (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122055-Israel-vs-Hamas-a-New-Middle-East-War&p=1582272&viewfull=1#post1582272) of an official Palestine stamp and a coin from when it was its own sovereign territory, prior to 1948.

Here's more. Just for the record. ("The history of Israel" might warrant its own thread, of course, but it really is relevant here. Nothing in the Middle East will ever be resolved until the Palestinian injustice is addressed.)

https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/National_Geographic_Palestine_1947_map.jpg

If you research maps of this area you'll see it had many names and inhabited by many different tribes for several thousands of years. Before 1900 there was never a map that I know of that actually had a section of land on it with the word "Palestine" written as a specific country. I'm no expert but I believe the word Palestine derived from the word Philistia or Phillastines, which actually was a tribal area of where Gaza is now. Gaza is a very ancient city.
That whole area where Israel/Gaza/West bank is now was called Judea, Samaria, and Galilee for a long long time. The whole area was fought over, renamed, and had different boundries many times over. The more you research this area the more one realizes the word Palestine could actually mean a region of many tribes of peoples.
The whole history of the middle east is so complex and confusing it's no wonder its a tinder box over there. Then having outsiders coming in there telling them how they should live etc even makes matters worse.

[Bill Ryan]

If you research maps of this area you'll see it had many names and inhabited by many different tribes for several thousands of years. Before 1900 there was never a map that I know of that actually had a section of land on it with the word "Palestine" written as a specific country. I'm no expert but I believe the word Palestine derived from the word Philistia or Phillastines, which actually was a tribal area of where Gaza is now. Gaza is a very ancient city.
That whole area where Israel/Gaza/West bank is now was called Judea, Samaria, and Galilee for a long long time. The whole area was fought over, renamed, and had different boundries many times over. The more you research this area the more one realizes the word Palestine could actually mean a region of many tribes of peoples.
The whole history of the middle east is so complex and confusing it's no wonder its a tinder box over there. Then having outsiders coming in there telling them how they should live etc even makes matters worse.Yes, that's all absolutely true. :thumbsup:

[Bill Ryan]

What Did Biden Promise Netanyahu?My concern, and I suspect that of many others, is that Biden told Netanyahu:


Go ahead with the Gaza ground invasion. We'll support you with intelligence, surveillance, and elite special forces. (They'll be in IDF uniform, don't worry.)
If Hezbollah, Iran and/or Syria then attacks Israel to open other fronts, we'll bomb the hell out of them on your behalf.

I'm going to make a prediction. I'll say it once only. If all this actually does escalate as in 1+2 above, then Israel will end up destroyed.

[SilentFeathers]

What Did Biden Promise Netanyahu?My concern, and I suspect that of many others, is that Biden told Netanyahu:


Go ahead with the Gaza ground invasion. We'll support you with intelligence, surveillance, and elite special forces. (They'll be in IDF uniform, don't worry.)
If Hezbollah, Iran and/or Syria then attacks Israel to open other fronts, we'll bomb the hell out of them on your behalf.

I'm going to make a prediction. I'll say it once only. If all this actually does escalate as in 1+2 above, then Israel will end up destroyed.

With all that firepower sitting in the Mediterranean Sea, Israel may be thinking that they'll never have the chance like this again to take out both Hamas and Hezballah and might be on the verge of just going for it. All or nothing. Sounds crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are actually discussing this. I'm starting to think the reason they haven't gone into Gaza yet is because they are waiting on the 2 US carrier fleet to arrive and is readied. I read somewhere today that another battleship group is also heading there.

Either way, I think we'll see something big happen rather soon.

[Inversion]

He said Klaus is going to order Americans drafted into fighting a world war as if Biden is his employee. He covered the stand down order which he compared to 9/11.

Klaus Schwab (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117708-Klaus-Schwab/page2&highlight=klaus+Schwab)

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[syrwong]

What Did Biden Promise Netanyahu?My concern, and I suspect that of many others, is that Biden told Netanyahu:


Go ahead with the Gaza ground invasion. We'll support you with intelligence, surveillance, and elite special forces. (They'll be in IDF uniform, don't worry.)
If Hezbollah, Iran and/or Syria then attacks Israel to open other fronts, we'll bomb the hell out of them on your behalf.

I'm going to make a prediction. I'll say it once only. If all this actually does escalate as in 1+2 above, then Israel will end up destroyed.

I think Netanyahu has a higher pecking order than Biden. Remember he got standing ovations on a visit to the US during Obama era? Remember he boasted Obama would run for the phone when he called him? I don't think Biden knows much of what is going on. So Biden would have been told by Netan "Watch your steps. You are in my country"

[Lilyofthestars]

He said Klaus is going to order Americans drafted into fighting a world war as if Biden is his employee. He covered the stand down order which he compared to 9/11.

Klaus Schwab (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117708-Klaus-Schwab/page2&highlight=klaus+Schwab)

v3nqflm

5:32 stamp mark shows the cover of the Economist from 11 years ago showcasing a Hamas member paragliding/hang-gliding in.. Wow. :facepalm:

[Inversion]

Here's a sharper image of that cover.

economist (https://www.economist.com/content/rough-guide-hell)
http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/cf_images/images-magazine/2012/12/22/WO/20121222_WOP901.png

[norman]

Gaza, Bomb Site


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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1715185082892165193

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https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1715179021078573456

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https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1715148562487493075

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1715174699334795659

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https://x.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1715128417736110358

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[Ravenlocke]

Text:
We are on the threshold of total war.

If the Israeli's march into Gaza they will fail to root out the thousands of Hamas fighters there.

The arsenal of rockets and missiles in the region is enormous.

The rest of the region is prepared to go to war..

It's not just a Iran.

Full interview:https://youtube.com/live/xTjEy1Fic9s?si=oAQLRbLhUJYvv4y1

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/itranslate123/status/1714969003607622062

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[shaberon]

I won't stick my neck out for the "reality" of this photo, other than it is Syrian on the report of Al Tanf and Conoco Field attacked by Iraqis:


https://sana.sy/en/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%82.jpg



Who knows what that is, other than it looks like Americans in a walled compound.


Yes the available history is 4,000+ years old; the modern situation is the outcome of breaking up the Ottoman Empire.

Entente may have been the worst possible manipulated collaboration of Europe, which is behind Sykes-Picot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement):

a 1916 secret treaty between the United Kingdom and France

...the British government agreed to recognize Arab independence...

which is a legal act, followed by the 1917 Balfour Declaration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration), which is, rather, a statement of Zionism.


Ok. What was in the legal matters?

The Arabs require (1) recognition of their nationality, (2) protection of their race from alien oppression, and (3) an opportunity of re-establishing their position as a contributing factor in the world's progress.


Wait a second. The Arabs got tossed a cookie as a reward for combat operations.

Everyone else got colonized. Like, for example, the Kurds might have appreciated those three conditions. Now they are "a problem".

Here is a religious reaction:


The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) claimed one of the goals of its insurgency is to reverse the effects of the Sykes–Picot Agreement for the purpose of building a united Islamic State.


But that is Wikipedia with a dearth of additional material, i. e. something secular like Syria, and this example just makes it look like Zionists versus Caliphates, which is not quite the case. Most of the locals had issues with the British and French to begin with. That is why the Syrian expression for "he's lying" is:

smells British.

The ongoing trouble with Zionism is that "my system" supports it, and I do not agree and cannot affect the system.

Hezbollah is rather a private charity. They could get free money from a guy in Malaysia, due to his support, not because the country runs a propaganda and tax regime to force him to do that.

So now you see the Fascists won two engineered World Wars and have pressed their luck here and in Ukraine.

On a popular level, it conveys religious lies about Judaism and Christianity. You have been hosed. Those are fabrications.

Fighting and dying for a "supreme ideology" as Schwab (or ISIL) would have you do is Fundamentalism.


That is so stupid because I can easily be friends with someone who may be my ideological adversary. That is fine. If one is a Jew and another a Muslim, it means at a certain level, they disagree about something, which has absolutely nothing to do with whether they can live together peacefully, like in ancient Gaza or modern Syria.

All real religions are absolutely non-denominational in terms of human issues.


Qv. the Druze (https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/lebanese-druze-leader-calls-on-israeli-druze-not-to-take-part-in-war/3012003):


Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt urged Israeli Druze citizens and conscripts on Sunday not to participate in hostilities in the Palestinian territories.

In a statement on X, Jumblatt asked Druze Arabs not to take part in such conflicts.

“The march of history, no matter how long it takes, goes hand in hand with the freedom of peoples, and the day will come when Palestine and its sanctities will return to their Arab owners,” he said.

On Saturday, Jumblatt issued statements in support of the attacks launched by the Palestinian Hamas group against Israel.


Whereas last month (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-09-10/ty-article/.premium/druze-leader-to-netanyahu-bring-solutions-or-our-protests-may-take-on-a-different-face/0000018a-7eb8-d8dd-abbe-fff98f030000):


Israel's Druze spiritual leader wrote to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday that the relationship between the country and the Druze community is in danger, and warned that if solutions to the community's distress and persecution are not...(met, protest may take a different face)


Put that in a microscope and you will see the Druze were pretty specifically tri-partitioned by the makers of borders.

So, no, arbitrary British colonies are not accepted on a mass popular level. That is why the state entity will be replaced.

[Dennis Leahy]

"Ceasefire Now!" in the Capitol :sun:

https://twitter.com/TorahJudaism/status/1714733023453679709

Yes, what's happening in Gaza is horrible but it's Hamas and Hamas's own charter that is blatantly calling for genocide of a peoples.
And then Israels response to Hamas appears genocidal, how can either side expect peace to magically appear behaving like this?
Everything about this whole ordeal is wrong, upside down and backwards.
Hamas is not in control of the people of Gaza, other than on paper. The people of Gaza are running around afraid, scrambling for their lives, picking up the dead and injured, and half of the citizens of Gaza are children. Thinking that the Palestinians of Gaza are thinking or "expecting" is erroneous. They are running for their lives, they are feeling, experiencing, terrorized - not thinking or pondering.

[thirtythree]

Nope. I do not trust the BBC one bit.

The stranglehold that Israel has over NATO media has never been demonstrated so clearly as between 8pm and midnight (UK time) yesterday.

At around 8pm UK time, BBC and all other NATO media reported a huge “Israeli airstrike” on a Gaza hospital that had killed hundreds maybe even over a 1,000 given that the hospital itself was bombed so the wounded would not get treatment. Complete carnage.

The headlines on ALL articles specifically said “Israeli airstrike”.

None other than Hananya Naftali IDF digital spokesperson quickly claimed responsibility with a tweet that he later deleted.

https://t.me/warmonitors/16345

(https://t.me/warmonitors/16345)warmonitors/16345

Another Israeli government account said that “euthanasia” had been provided to collapsing Gaza hospitals. That tweet was also deleted.

Israel has been giving evacuation orders to hospitals all week and threatening to bomb them.

With immediate outrage over the next 3 hours, the entire NATO media narrative quckly scrubbed those headlines replacing it with “Israel blames xyz” soon to be followed by Israel has “proof” that xyz dunnit.

You do not trust the BBC one bit? So when they report the football scores do you actually think they are all wrong and England didn't beat Italy 3-1 last night and they actually are not qualifying for the euros.


The BBC definitely have an agenda on many issues including this one but they are also under some scrutiny. Although I am sceptical of all. I would trust what they say on this issue more than I would on jihadist publications that have more skin in the game.

It sounds like from your post that we should apportion blame by the nature of social media posts and not hard forensic evidence that exists from video footage of the event and the aftermath on the ground. So the police would be better at investigating crimes by analysing the social media posts than by doing a thorough investigation of the crime scene?

Im not even convinced that Hananya Naftali is the IDF spokesperson. Although he does seem to work with the government as a social media advisor and content creator.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/17akt5h/hananya_naftali_is_not_netanyahus_spokesperson/


Naftali is an Israeli human rights activist with more than 350,000 followers and has been continuously tweeting about the conflict.

He describes himself as: “That Israeli who talks to the camera about peace in the Middle East.” :chuckle: :facepalm:

Even if he is a IDF spokesperson, his tweets were not necessarily made with full awareness of all the details of the incident. This is not evidence that israel did it.

This is Hananya Naftalis response

Following the uproar, Naftali quickly apologised on Twitter, claiming he was simply quoting an article he had seen on Reuters.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/10/18/hananya-naftali-apologises-for-hospital-blast-tweet-claiming-israel-is-responsible/

Actually I think this is quite interesting
MvogHimGuWo

I wouldn't be surprised if the agenda is to purposely make this whole event very ambiguous to decipher. To further create division.



Absurd comparison of the coverage of a potential attack on a hospital and the reporting of a football game that is watched by millions and recorded live by thousands.

My skepticism is based on BBC's history of coverups and Israel's track record of lies and human rights violations. I don't believe BBC is impartial in this conflict.

You assume that i believe Jihadi publications because i'm suspicious of MSM?
In light of current events, I will agree though that i'm paying more heed to raw information than a carefully constructed narrative.

I really wish people would thoroughly read my posts before commenting back and misrepresenting my words

This was a light hearted way to point out the absurdity of your comment that you don't believe the BBC one bit. Of course, on many news reports you will trust what they report. For instance on the football.

I said myself in my post that I believe the BBC have an agenda on the Israel issue and I am sceptical. That is different to saying I do not believe the BBC one bit which would be an inauthentic statement. Sometimes the BBC can report something that will be useful and I can asses it through the lens of their known agenda

Where did I say in my post that you believe Jihadi publications because you don't believe the BBC one bit? That is you jumping to a conclusion that I did not make

I'm just merely pointing out they have an agenda as well. That they should be treated as sceptically if not more than the BBC because they have more skin in the game .

But I am not going to make ludicrous statements like 'I do not trust Jihadi publications one bit' because they probably have some interesting insights on certain issues which again I can asses through the lens of their known agenda

Fair enough. I should have said, "I do not trust the BBC one bit on this matter".

[Rizotto]

A history lesson by Dr. Gabor Mate, holocaust survivor, with compassion and deep insights.

I had never heard this before, but in Isreal it is forbidden to talk about the "Naqba", i.e. the 1967 catastrophic expulsion & killing of Palestinians by Jewish militants. Sounds like a very deliberate attempt of erasing history.

Gabor Mate concludes that Isreal will not succeed in the end, as the zionist enterprises is not sustainable.

“Gabor Mate explains how he sees the Palestine Israël conflict”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrcYQyudLzY

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[pyrangello]

As Hal Turner posted this morning , the calm before the storm, everybody is ready , all are in position. The main stream news here in the states are only showing 25 seconds of Biden's speech last night, nothing else, no stories on this church being leveled, nothing. I emailed Congress and reps opposing any money for any war, the u.s.gave money to Iran who backs Hamas and now is going to send money to Israel WTF.

It was stated this morning since we still don't have a speaker NO money can be approved for anything, thank God for incompetence. I can say for those of us Americans that have no connection to Israel or Palestine like me most are saying enough of the war, killing, bombing, enough. The year is 2023, its time to live in peace. We are better than this , all of us.

[norman]

This is a little bit behind the news. The Carolyne GLick Show is an Israeli show. She talks about Biden still being on his way to Israel. She's critical of Biden's motives for visiting, and implies that Israelis are fully aware that he/USA is double dealing.

Apparently, Blinken sat in the Israeli cabinet office for 7 hours dictating terms for US support. That makes me wonder who Blinken is really getting his orders from.


The Real (and Awful) Reason Biden is Coming to Israel | The Caroline Glick Show IN FOCUS
Oct 18, 2023

Antony Blinken returns while Israeli troops sit on the Gaza border, President Biden handicaps Israel's security and the world continues to turn a blind eye to Hamas' atrocities and corruption.

Journalist and author Caroline Glick breaks down the news and explains the real reason Biden is in Israel.

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[Bill Ryan]

Just as a heads up, Judge Napolitano (who is an excellent interviewer, and his videos are always a concise and focused 20-25 mins max), has a bunch of interesting and potentially very valuable videos coming up today. Here they are:


Col. Douglas Macgregor: Biden Speech Analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq1SjC7u8l0
11.30 am CST



Prof. Jeffrey Sachs: How to avoid all-out war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1twSIKyWhM
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1twSIKyWhM)12.15 pm CST



Larry Johnson & Ray McGovern: Will Biden’s plans lead to WWIII?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV2sYw2R2MM
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV2sYw2R2MM)1.30 pm CST



Scott Horton: Why do Americans like wars?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQVbN7T1kuI
2.30 pm CST



Ask The Judge: Questions from Viewers answered LIVE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=874YSwcLa3c
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=874YSwcLa3c)3.30 pm CST

[Agape]

I strongly advise against entering those tunnels in Gaza,

it’s strategically very naive in my opinion and can only result in great loss of lives.

Presume for a moment that your enemy was preparing for the last case scenario for longest possible time.

The terrorist heads have amassed nukes in briefcase or various versions of advanced artillery sufficient to blow a small area to dust forever .

It’s not wise , I mean and well like usually

🙏 don’t shoot the messenger


So sad ☔️


If they’re so caring about their terrorist I suggest fencing the area would suffice . After few weeks most would surface or blow themselves up.

It would save lives and resources .

🌫

[Bill Ryan]

From Colombian President Gustavo Petro, on the bombardment of Gaza.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/84301

The text: (translated)
It must stop. There must be no more deaths of children. This is a war crime. Western leaders have become Herods: we expected you to build democracy - not kill children.

ZandVchannel/84301

[grapevine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/K5Fb5OaaZC

Stirling speech from MP in Irish Parliament :

How come we never hear the words ‘PALESTINE has the right to defend itself'?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tARjA_DKiNc

[SilentFeathers]

2 American hostages released.

Hamas releases 2 US hostages in 'major development,' sources confirm
YyixVX5SQNM

[shaberon]

With some inkling perhaps these are not stock photos, this is one of the pipelines Americans use to steal Syrian LNG:

https://sana.sy/en/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/%D9%83%D9%88%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%88.jpg




That's called "a reprisal".

We cannot usually determine the effect of drone and small missile attacks, which are often thwarted, but expect these on a daily basis from now on.


Meanwhile at the office (https://english.almanar.com.lb/1943625):


A veteran US state department official has quit over what he described as the Biden administration’s “intellectual bankruptcy” in sending more weapons and ammunition to the Zionist entity, as Gaza health officials said Israeli bombing had killed more than 3,700 people.

Josh Paul, the Director of Congressional and Public Affairs for the State Department’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, said in a letter posted on LinkedIn that the government “rushing” to provide arms to Israel was “shortsighted, destructive, unjust, and contradictory to the very values that we publicly espouse”.

In the letter, first reported by HuffPost, Paul said Hamas’s attack on Israel was “a monstrosity of monstrosities”.

“But I believe to the core of my soul that the response Israel is taking, and with it the American support both for that response and for the status quo of the occupation, will only lead to more and deeper suffering for both the Israeli and the Palestinian people,” he wrote.

“This administration’s response – and much of Congress’s as well – is an impulsive reaction built on confirmation bias, political convenience, intellectual bankruptcy, and bureaucratic inertia.”

On Wednesday, the New York Times reported that Joe Biden plans to ask Congress to approve $10bn in “mostly military assistance” for the Zionist entity.

Paul described the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs as “the US government entity most responsible for the transfer and provision of arms to partners and allies”.

In his 11 years at the bureau, Paul said, he had “made more moral compromises than I can recall”.

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https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1715570911821087151

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Israel is finalising the closure of Al Jazeera over its coverage of the ongoing conflict in Gaza, which it says is helping Hamas.

The Qatar-based network is the biggest Arabic language news outlet providing televised and online updates on the situation in Gaza, within Israel and in other occupied Palestinian territories.

Before the ban on the network is enacted, it will need approval from Israel's Defence Minister Yoav Gallant, who is expected to sign the regulation.

🔗Read more: https://middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-closure-al-jazeera-media-reports

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-closure-al-jazeera-media-reports

Israel-Palestine war: Authorities finalising closure of Al Jazeera, Israeli media reports

Israel is finalising the closure of Al Jazeera over its coverage of the ongoing conflict in Gaza, which it says is helping Hamas.

The Qatar-based network is the biggest Arabic language news outlet providing televised and online updates on the situation in Gaza, within Israel and in other occupied Palestinian territories.

On Friday, a number of Israeli media outlets, including i24 News and Times of Israel, said that the Israeli government had approved "emergency regulations" that would shutter broadcasters that are deemed to be acting against the "security of the state".

The Times of Israel quoted Israeli Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi who said Israel was at war on "land, in the air, at sea, and on the public diplomacy front".

Before the ban on the network is enacted, it will need approval from Israel's Defence Minister Yoav Gallant, who is expected to sign the regulation.

Although floated as temporary, the ban can be renewed at 30-day intervals.

The move against Al Jazeera comes amid a wider crackdown on opposing views within Israel.

Wider crackdown on dissent

Karhi has also proposed targeting any journalist, including Israelis, who are deemed to be "harming national morale".

Journalists and other citizens could have their homes searched, property seized and could be placed under arrest for speech the government deems undesirable.

A vigilante mob of far-right Israelis attacked journalist Israel Frey after he expressed solidarity with Palestinians under bombardment in Gaza, forcing him and his family into hiding.

On the international front, Israeli public diplomacy accounts have condemned media outlets for getting their news from "terrorist organisations".

Al Jazeera has a vast operation within Gaza, which will likely continue to broadcast out of the besieged territory.

The network has a frosty relationship with Israel despite being one of the first in the region to interview Israeli figures on-air.

In 2022, Palestinian-American Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh was shot dead by an Israeli soldier while reporting in Jenin.

The network most recently condemned Israel for a missile attack on a group of journalists in Lebanon, which included its own reporters.

"Israel has once again attempted to silence the media by targeting journalists, as Israeli forces fired a guided missile at Al Jazeera crew in southern Lebanon, wounding two and killing a Reuters journalist," the network said in a statement.

Middle East Eye contacted Al Jazeera for comment regarding the planned closure of its operation in Israel but the network had not responded by the time of publication.

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https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1715505109956755626

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A new forensic analysis by Forensic Architecture at London University reveals the strike at Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza came from the direction of #Israel and that it was probably an artillery shell.

This directly contradicts Israel's claim that it was a missile fired from the southwest of Gaza.
#GazaHospital
#GazaHospitalAttack

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1715496802521153537

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https://x.com/PalestineRCS/status/1715423053692166568

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BREAKING: Israeli Army Orders Immediate Evacuation of Al Quds Hospital in Gaza

- The Director of Al-Quds Hospital in Gaza has informed Al Jazeera that the Israeli army has instructed them to evacuate the hospital.

- The hospital currently houses more than 12,000 displaced people.

Source: Al Jazeera
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https://x.com/PalestineRCS/status/1715415685096931626

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https://x.com/UNRWA/status/1715399566042792402

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[shaberon]

The western world probably first got this as the theme of Dante's Mirrors (https://www.jstor.org/stable/40753514).


https://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/dantes-inferno/3/31/Dantesmall_0666.jpg?width=325



They are not many, but they imply self-reflection on each theme or issue that leads to unpleasant destinies.

He was an anti-papal Ghibilene/White Guelph, constrained to write in symbolism, such as in Inferno (https://wyomingcatholic.edu/wp-content/uploads/dante-01-inferno.pdf):


And truly was I son of the She-bear, 225

225 Nicholas III, of the Orsini (the Bears) of Rome, chosen Pope in 1277. “He was the
first Pope, or one of the first,” says Villani, VII. Ch. 54, “in whose court simony was
openly practised.”


It is often held that his whole point is in the parting words of Virgil in Purgatorio XXVII (https://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.edu/main/b20762605_v_2_C041197035.pdf):

Thee o’er thyself I therefore crown and mitre!


Which in context is the Templar goal (https://books.google.com/books?id=8Lkzp-StZGUC&lpg=PA159&ots=ShxffBhRWI&dq=dante%20mirror%20puzzle%20inferno&pg=PA160#v=onepage&q=dante%20mirror%20puzzle%20inferno&f=false):


Freedom from being told what to think in the political sphere, and from papal religious authority.


And it appears the west may still be having difficulty with the mirror.

Here is a trickle of additional reporting asserting the pipeline was a hit, a little bit different than the base attacks, and ten years later we still have the guy in London (https://southfront.press/blast-rocks-u-s-controlled-gas-pipeline-in-syrias-deir-ezzor-video/) posting whatever he wants to say:




At around the same time as the blast near Conoco, several explosions were heard near the U.S. Green Village base at al-Omar oil fields in the southeastern Deir Ezzor countryside. While some Syrian news sources said that the base came under attack, the SOHR reported that the explosions were the result of live-fire drills by the American troops.

In the early morning, the Conoco base was targeted with rockets and three suicide drones struck the U.S. garrison in the southeastern Syrian area of al-Tanf. The Al-Arabiya TV reported, citing U.S. officials, that a number of troops in al-Tanf sustained minor injuries.

The Islamic Resistance in Iraq, a coalition of Iranian-backed armed factions, claimed responsibility for the attacks, saying that they were carried out in response to the Israeli war on the Gaza Strip.


Oddly, for the pipeline, quite possibly a ground-based bomb:


No side has claimed responsibility for the attack, yet.



Concerning the minor aerial attacks, the Iraqi damage reports (https://southfront.press/u-s-says-civilian-contractor-died-during-false-alarm-at-iraqi-base/):



A civilian contractor working with United States forces at Ayn al-Assad Air Base in the western Iraqi province of al-Anbase died from a cardiac arrest during a “false alarm,” Reuters reported on October 20, citing American officials.

Ayn al-Assad Air base and al-Harir Air Base in the northern Iraqi Kurdistan region, which also hosts U.S. troops, were both attacked with suicide drones on October 18. The U.S. Central Command said that the attacks were repelled, but acknowledged “minor losses” at Ayn al-Assad.

On the same day, a rocket attack targeted the U.S. Camp Victory near Baghdad International Airport, Iraqi police said, without providing further details.

Several U.S. troops were lightly wounded at al-Tanf.




Financial Times is of course paywalled...but, according to anonymous (https://sputnikglobe.com/20231020/analyst-with-blind-israel-support-us-becoming-global-pariah-it-attempted-to-make-russia-into-1114363272.html):




...one senior diplomat from a Group of Seven nation told a London-based newspaper earlier this week, the dissonance in Washington’s positions has undermined efforts to win global support for Ukraine and to isolate Russia.

“We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” the diplomat said. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”

“What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”



and American lawyer:



US labor and human rights lawyer, writer and activist Dan Kovalik told Radio Sputnik’s The Critical Hour that in fact, Moscow was never a global pariah, it’s the G7 nations that have isolated themselves from the majority of humanity.

...the US looks like a huge hypocrite and that's obvious to the world.”

However, the hosts noted there was one way the US had been consistent: in both Israel and Ukraine, US President Joe Biden has intervened to shut down potential peace deals championed by Russia and China in favor of keeping the conflicts going.
“The US does this time and time again,” Kovalik pointed out. “It kills peace in order to keep the wheels of war moving.”

...the US will soon stand alone in the world because even now Western Europe is turning on the US, because they see not only the US' hypocrisy, but they now understand what a lot of us have known for a while, and that is that the US’ proxy war in Ukraine against Russia has been as much about undermining Europe as it is undermining Russia,” Kovalik said.

“So I think the US will find itself to be the pariah country in the world.”


Only veto to Gazan ceasefires is American.

As what they call "food for thought", excerpted from Julian MacFarlane (https://southfront.press/big-lies-and-gaza/):


Most people are taught that Hitler was advocating the Big Lie, as a way of promoting anti-Semitism. And that he used this technique to promote anti-Semitism in the Reich. That’s choice (b) on your SAT.

The facts, however, are different.

Hitler felt that it was the Jews and Marxists who were using the Big Lie technique! And that he was a Truth Teller, countering big lies with a truth campaign, ironically borrowing techniques from Edward Bernays, an American Jew. How very American?


"Propaganda is the executive arm of the invisible government." -- Edward Bernays

Let us keep in mind that Bernays coined the term “public relations” as an alternative for “propaganda”. He understood that the two things were identical. Both seek to persuade people to believe things, which may or may not be true. Both must seem credible. Both must appeal to the imagination and emotion, rather than logic.

The goal is not to inform —but to persuade people to do things they would otherwise not do.

Ah yes, when somebody tells you something you don’t want to hear – they are lying.

Where have we heard that before? 10 minutes ago? Isn’t that what the Western mantra about “disinformation” and “misinformation” is all about?

The greatest exponent of mass mind control was never Hitler – nor Stalin – Nor Mao. In fact, it was not a single person, but a political culture— that of the US, which has taken fascism and propaganda to new levels with unprecedented powers of persuasion which the dictators of the past could only envy.

Churchill was no less racist than Hitler; he was an old-fashioned imperialist— and like America today—wanted to revive a declining empire. Also like the US, he didn’t like competition.

He did not care if his policies killed 3 million Indians or hundreds of thousands of civilians across Europe with terror bombings. And at the end of World War II. He wanted to nuke the Russians.

Since World War II, US empire building worldwide has led to an estimated 30 million deaths – although this number is disputed. It might be 10 million or 20 million – or more than 30 million. The number doesn’t matter. It’s a lot.

The fact is that the peoples of the West while disavowing intention to kill, do kill. Gratuitously. In fact, they glory in it.

‘Turns out I’m really good at killing people”” Barack Obama

In the end American fascism is in some ways worse than the Nazi version since it is more insidious—and goes on and on and on. It has legs.

Hitler’s Reich limped. It was primitive and primitivistic. It didn’t last long. The American Reich endures. It is postmodern and sophisticated.

Germany was one man—Hitler— using a typewriter. Atavistic. America is thousands of people with Ivy League degrees and office 2023 and Windows 12.

But that invisible Government that Bernays talked about is becoming visible. With inequality. it’s hard to hide a Lamborghini—much less Hunter Biden’s drugs and whores and corruption— or Joe’s dementia.

Hitler had anti-Semitism. The Western world has Russophobia and Sinophobia. The Israelis have anti-Arabism. There is ultimately no difference. They are all attempts to dehumanize ethnicities. All Big Lies.

The problem starts very, very young.

We are brought up to think this way, The media do not so much create as pander to the narratives we learn in the cradle, kindergarten and grade school. Children love stories and picture books. When we get older, we have “narratives” and YouTube.

Right now, the Big Story is Israel and Hamas’s attack. How much is true? How much is rumor? Was this attack— or counterattack? If you look at the mainstream media, it is impossible to know. Wait until the smoke clears. Search the Internet. Look for contradictions. Assume nothing. There will be lies of all sizes— big and small.

If you look at the stock market however, you will see that all of the military industrial companies in the US have posted huge gains. Cui bono?

https://s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/02e0ed03-9650-4f72-8223-6535a0941060_1038x617-1-768x457.jpg

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https://x.com/Sprinter99800/status/1715475920574623812

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https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1715545956135899571

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Text:
"We are determined to destroy it."

More Israeli savagery is rising to the surface. In an interview with the BBC, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak admits the Israeli occupation is determined to destroy a hospital full of innocent civilians.

Barak later retracted his statement and contradicted himself, promising that "Israel" would "never" attack a hospital when it is full of civilians.

A quick reminder: The Israeli occupation bombed al-Ahli Baptist Hospital and brutally murdered more than 400 civilians, most of whom were women and children helplessly taking shelter in a supposedly safe hospital.

https://x.com/MayadeenEnglish/status/1715501952841195857

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https://x.com/MayadeenEnglish/status/1715601315689025926

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https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/gaza-invasion-delayed-over-us-pressing-israel-on-captives:-b

Gaza invasion delayed over US pressing 'Israel' on captives: Bloomberg

US and European governments are intensifying pressure on the Israeli occupation to postpone its planned ground invasion of Gaza with the aim of creating a window of opportunity for the release of hostages, Bloomberg reported on Saturday.

Reportedly, according to people familiar with the matter, secret negotiations currently taking place through Qatar to secure the release of Israelis and foreign nationals taken captive by Hamas.

The delicate nature of the negotiations with Hamas has raised concerns about the likelihood of success, the US outlet said, though there are signs the Palestinian Resistance is willing to release some captives without asking for any prisoners in return due to them being foreign civilians. Two American women have already been freed.

The Israeli occupation has conceded to US pressure and decided to postpone their ground invasion of Gaza in what they see as "retaliation" for Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, which took place two weeks ago and saw the Palestinian Resistance movement taking captive somewhere between 200-250 people, including foreign nationals, illegal Israeli settlers, and occupying soldiers.

Captive 'crisis'

These captives are being held within Gaza, where the Israeli occupation is conducting indiscriminate airstrikes that have reportedly killed several Israelis and foreigners, as "Tel Aviv" did not take into consideration its own people when it came to bombarding the Gaza Strip.

The White House declined to comment on the situation, and so did the Israeli government.

On October 16th, Hamas' armed wing, Al-Aqsa Brigades, said non-Israeli captives would be released "when circumstances on the ground allow."

The Resistance movement also reassured the families of Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli prisons that the Resistance has made a promise to itself and is determined to bring joy to every Palestinian home regarding the prisoners' file.

Hamas announced late Friday the release of an American woman and her daughter, stating that this was in response to efforts from Qatar. Subsequently, both the Israeli occupation and the United States confirmed the release of these captives.

Qatar, meanwhile, voiced its commitment to continuing dialogue with both Israelis and the Palestinian Resistance, with the hope that these efforts will ultimately lead to the release of all captives who do not have military affiliations.

The United States and its allies have dispatched a series of high-ranking officials to "Tel Aviv" since the October 7 operation. Their mission is to urge Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's far-right cabinet to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza and "minimize civilian casualties" should a ground invasion take place. However, the Israeli occupation has been doing everything but keeping civilian casualties to a minimum throughout its onslaught on Gaza.

Gaza quite the pickle

Netanyahu has been claiming that he wants to "eradicate Hamas" in Gaza but also secure the release of the captives, which could prove to be quite an arduous task.

Today, the Israeli occupation recalled more than 300,000 mostly inexperienced reservists in order to invade Gaza on foot as it promises to minimize civilian casualties.

The Israeli newspaper "Maariv" reported that the IOF had brought in reinforcements along the border with the Gaza Strip, noting that it had pushed tanks and heavy artillery to 20 locations.

However, it is significant to note that Palestinian Resistance fighters continue to be present throughout multiple Gaza envelope settlements, as confrontations remain ongoing on that front.

Moreover, the separation fence, built by "Israel" to segregate the Gaza Strip, has been breached in tens of spots, making it very difficult to contain the strip, especially without securing the envelope settlements.

Sky News' military analyst Sean Bell said last week a ground invasion into Gaza is considered a "very high risk" for "Israel".

The Israeli military has gathered soldiers and tanks along the border, fueling speculation of a potential invasion. However, Israeli leaders have not yet confirmed any decision. In light of this, analysts suggest that a ground invasion could be launched within a matter of hours or days.

Bell, who served in the British Royal Air Force and left in 2012 as Air Vice Marshal, stressed that sending troops into populated areas in Gaza represents a “high-risk strategy” for Israel.

He said "Urban fighting is very, very dangerous - every corner, every doorway, every window might hide a potential threat," suggesting that the IOF will be very exposed.

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[Tintin]

A reminder....

Source: https://twitter.com/EvaKBartlett/status/1715301554666766493

Text:


Cynthia McKinney:

"During my 1st campaign for Congress, the very 1st thing I was asked to do was to sign a pledge of loyalty to Israel. I refused to do the pledge. I was the 1st to blow the whistle on me being a US citizen having to pledge my allegiance to a foreign country..."

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[Tintin]

From Abby Martin who has a fair few friends in Gaza:

Source: https://twitter.com/AbbyMartin/status/1715447042368217469

Text:



Update from a friend in Gaza: “It seems like they are about to invade. Nowhere is safe, they could hit anywhere at any time. But we cannot do anything. We don’t know if we can live anymore. You hear my young son beside me laughing, he is not aware of our situation. Pray for us.”

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[PathWalker]

Israeli social media and commentators:
Israel lost its independence and sovereignty for 40 Billion USD this week.

Pathwalker thinks that it happened 50 years ago in Yom-Kipur war. Israel is the Jewish star in the USA flag.

[PathWalker]

The Hamas narrative from internal source.
nMCC2ihCowg

Sadly enough Hamas narrative is not serving the Palestinian narrative.

[Dennis Leahy]

This is a brilliant post, for which a click on the thanks button is inadequate. It is worthy of a full quotation rather than a snippet.




The western world probably first got this as the theme of Dante's Mirrors (https://www.jstor.org/stable/40753514).


https://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/dantes-inferno/3/31/Dantesmall_0666.jpg?width=325



They are not many, but they imply self-reflection on each theme or issue that leads to unpleasant destinies.

He was an anti-papal Ghibilene/White Guelph, constrained to write in symbolism, such as in Inferno (https://wyomingcatholic.edu/wp-content/uploads/dante-01-inferno.pdf):


And truly was I son of the She-bear, 225

225 Nicholas III, of the Orsini (the Bears) of Rome, chosen Pope in 1277. “He was the
first Pope, or one of the first,” says Villani, VII. Ch. 54, “in whose court simony was
openly practised.”


It is often held that his whole point is in the parting words of Virgil in Purgatorio XXVII (https://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.edu/main/b20762605_v_2_C041197035.pdf):

Thee o’er thyself I therefore crown and mitre!


Which in context is the Templar goal (https://books.google.com/books?id=8Lkzp-StZGUC&lpg=PA159&ots=ShxffBhRWI&dq=dante%20mirror%20puzzle%20inferno&pg=PA160#v=onepage&q=dante%20mirror%20puzzle%20inferno&f=false):


Freedom from being told what to think in the political sphere, and from papal religious authority.


And it appears the west may still be having difficulty with the mirror.

Here is a trickle of additional reporting asserting the pipeline was a hit, a little bit different than the base attacks, and ten years later we still have the guy in London (https://southfront.press/blast-rocks-u-s-controlled-gas-pipeline-in-syrias-deir-ezzor-video/) posting whatever he wants to say:




At around the same time as the blast near Conoco, several explosions were heard near the U.S. Green Village base at al-Omar oil fields in the southeastern Deir Ezzor countryside. While some Syrian news sources said that the base came under attack, the SOHR reported that the explosions were the result of live-fire drills by the American troops.

In the early morning, the Conoco base was targeted with rockets and three suicide drones struck the U.S. garrison in the southeastern Syrian area of al-Tanf. The Al-Arabiya TV reported, citing U.S. officials, that a number of troops in al-Tanf sustained minor injuries.

The Islamic Resistance in Iraq, a coalition of Iranian-backed armed factions, claimed responsibility for the attacks, saying that they were carried out in response to the Israeli war on the Gaza Strip.
Oddly, for the pipeline, quite possibly a ground-based bomb:


No side has claimed responsibility for the attack, yet.



Concerning the minor aerial attacks, the Iraqi damage reports (https://southfront.press/u-s-says-civilian-contractor-died-during-false-alarm-at-iraqi-base/):



A civilian contractor working with United States forces at Ayn al-Assad Air Base in the western Iraqi province of al-Anbase died from a cardiac arrest during a “false alarm,” Reuters reported on October 20, citing American officials.

Ayn al-Assad Air base and al-Harir Air Base in the northern Iraqi Kurdistan region, which also hosts U.S. troops, were both attacked with suicide drones on October 18. The U.S. Central Command said that the attacks were repelled, but acknowledged “minor losses” at Ayn al-Assad.

On the same day, a rocket attack targeted the U.S. Camp Victory near Baghdad International Airport, Iraqi police said, without providing further details.

Several U.S. troops were lightly wounded at al-Tanf.


Financial Times is of course paywalled...but, according to anonymous (https://sputnikglobe.com/20231020/analyst-with-blind-israel-support-us-becoming-global-pariah-it-attempted-to-make-russia-into-1114363272.html):




...one senior diplomat from a Group of Seven nation told a London-based newspaper earlier this week, the dissonance in Washington’s positions has undermined efforts to win global support for Ukraine and to isolate Russia.

“We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” the diplomat said. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”

“What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”

and American lawyer:



US labor and human rights lawyer, writer and activist Dan Kovalik told Radio Sputnik’s The Critical Hour that in fact, Moscow was never a global pariah, it’s the G7 nations that have isolated themselves from the majority of humanity.

...the US looks like a huge hypocrite and that's obvious to the world.”

However, the hosts noted there was one way the US had been consistent: in both Israel and Ukraine, US President Joe Biden has intervened to shut down potential peace deals championed by Russia and China in favor of keeping the conflicts going.
“The US does this time and time again,” Kovalik pointed out. “It kills peace in order to keep the wheels of war moving.”

...the US will soon stand alone in the world because even now Western Europe is turning on the US, because they see not only the US' hypocrisy, but they now understand what a lot of us have known for a while, and that is that the US’ proxy war in Ukraine against Russia has been as much about undermining Europe as it is undermining Russia,” Kovalik said.

“So I think the US will find itself to be the pariah country in the world.”
Only veto to Gazan ceasefires is American.

As what they call "food for thought", excerpted from Julian MacFarlane (https://southfront.press/big-lies-and-gaza/):


Most people are taught that Hitler was advocating the Big Lie, as a way of promoting anti-Semitism. And that he used this technique to promote anti-Semitism in the Reich. That’s choice (b) on your SAT.

The facts, however, are different.

Hitler felt that it was the Jews and Marxists who were using the Big Lie technique! And that he was a Truth Teller, countering big lies with a truth campaign, ironically borrowing techniques from Edward Bernays, an American Jew. How very American?


"Propaganda is the executive arm of the invisible government." -- Edward Bernays

Let us keep in mind that Bernays coined the term “public relations” as an alternative for “propaganda”. He understood that the two things were identical. Both seek to persuade people to believe things, which may or may not be true. Both must seem credible. Both must appeal to the imagination and emotion, rather than logic.

The goal is not to inform —but to persuade people to do things they would otherwise not do.

Ah yes, when somebody tells you something you don’t want to hear – they are lying.

Where have we heard that before? 10 minutes ago? Isn’t that what the Western mantra about “disinformation” and “misinformation” is all about?

The greatest exponent of mass mind control was never Hitler – nor Stalin – Nor Mao. In fact, it was not a single person, but a political culture— that of the US, which has taken fascism and propaganda to new levels with unprecedented powers of persuasion which the dictators of the past could only envy.

Churchill was no less racist than Hitler; he was an old-fashioned imperialist— and like America today—wanted to revive a declining empire. Also like the US, he didn’t like competition.

He did not care if his policies killed 3 million Indians or hundreds of thousands of civilians across Europe with terror bombings. And at the end of World War II. He wanted to nuke the Russians.

Since World War II, US empire building worldwide has led to an estimated 30 million deaths – although this number is disputed. It might be 10 million or 20 million – or more than 30 million. The number doesn’t matter. It’s a lot.

The fact is that the peoples of the West while disavowing intention to kill, do kill. Gratuitously. In fact, they glory in it.

‘Turns out I’m really good at killing people”” Barack Obama

In the end American fascism is in some ways worse than the Nazi version since it is more insidious—and goes on and on and on. It has legs.

Hitler’s Reich limped. It was primitive and primitivistic. It didn’t last long. The American Reich endures. It is postmodern and sophisticated.

Germany was one man—Hitler— using a typewriter. Atavistic. America is thousands of people with Ivy League degrees and office 2023 and Windows 12.

But that invisible Government that Bernays talked about is becoming visible. With inequality. it’s hard to hide a Lamborghini—much less Hunter Biden’s drugs and whores and corruption— or Joe’s dementia.

Hitler had anti-Semitism. The Western world has Russophobia and Sinophobia. The Israelis have anti-Arabism. There is ultimately no difference. They are all attempts to dehumanize ethnicities. All Big Lies.

The problem starts very, very young.

We are brought up to think this way, The media do not so much create as pander to the narratives we learn in the cradle, kindergarten and grade school. Children love stories and picture books. When we get older, we have “narratives” and YouTube.

Right now, the Big Story is Israel and Hamas’s attack. How much is true? How much is rumor? Was this attack— or counterattack? If you look at the mainstream media, it is impossible to know. Wait until the smoke clears. Search the Internet. Look for contradictions. Assume nothing. There will be lies of all sizes— big and small.

If you look at the stock market however, you will see that all of the military industrial companies in the US have posted huge gains. Cui bono?

https://s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/02e0ed03-9650-4f72-8223-6535a0941060_1038x617-1-768x457.jpg

[norman]

U.S. Foreign Aid spend since 1946

https://t.me/HammerTimeQNews/20610
HammerTimeQNews/20610

[Vicus]

Scott Ritter: Hamas 'Laid Trap' for Israel as US Cannot Replenish Iron Dome Yesterday

Israel has demanded military aid from the US for its war with the Hamas movement. Former US Marine Corps intelligence officer and UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter pointed out that the Pentagon's cupboard was bare and it was failing to meet recruiting targets.

The US cannot give Israel the arms it needs for a war with Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran — or even maintain its own forces — says a military veteran.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has declared war on the Hamas movement that rules in the besieged Gaza Strip in the wake of the surprise attack by several allied militant groups on October 7.
The incursion and subsequent skirmishes — including with Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas on Israel's northern border — has left almost 300 Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) troops dead with 200 more held captive in Gaza. around 1,000 Israeli civilians were also killed. That represents Israel's worst losses since its 1982 invasion of southern Lebanon.
Tel Aviv has called up some 350,000 IDF reservists and has bombed Gaza for almost two weeks in preparation for a ground offensive, which Economy Minister Nir Barkat said had been given the "green light" on Thursday. But that invasion has yet to materialise.
Former US Marine and UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter told Sputnik the IDF simply "can't go into Gaza."

"If they go into Gaza, they will be slaughtered by Hamas who has deliberately set this trap," Ritter stressed. "Hamas is waiting for them to come in. Hamas will kill them in large numbers."

Along with the risk of heavy casualties in Gaza, Israel is wary of Hezbollah's threat to launch a major attack from the north if the IDF goes in.
"Israel cannot beat Hezbollah," Ritter argued. "There's a real likelihood that if Hezbollah comes in with everything they have, they will seize northern Israel in its totality, all the way up to the Sea of Galilee. Syria will recapture the Golan Heights, and there isn't anything Israel can do to stop it."

"Israel has exhausted its Iron Dome. They sent an emergency request to the United States for all of the Iron Dome ammunition we had," Ritter noted. But while "Israel's hoping to get several thousand rounds, maybe 10,000 rounds," all the US could offer was "360-some odd. That's all we have."

continue:
https://sputnikglobe.com/20231020/scott-ritter-hamas-laid-trap-for-israel-as-us-cannot-replenish-iron-dome-1114349099.html

[Eva2]

'Israeli Government official in the heat of the moment says on a TV interview Russia is next'
https://www.tiktok.com/@syhu961/video/7291970865275604257

[Dennis Leahy]

'Israeli Government official in the heat of the moment says on a TV interview Russia is next'
https://www.tiktok.com/@syhu961/video/7291970865275604257
"Russia, Russia, Russia!" - with an Israeli accent

[SilentFeathers]

This is rather disturbing on top of everything else....

China deploys six warships to Middle East over fears Israel crisis could spark WW3
The Chinese military has deployed its 44th naval escort task force to the Middle East amid rising tensions in Israel.
Article (https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/115880/China-six-warships-Middle-East-war-Israel)

[Bill Ryan]

From The Moon of Alabama, today:


https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/netanyahoos-strategic-dilema.html

Netanyahu's Strategic Dilemma

Israel is a colonial settler state in permanent conflict with the suppressed natives.

It thought it could survive in that state, or even extend its settlements, by deterring opposing forces with its superior military.

Hamas has breached that deterrence myth by inflicting, in one day, more casualties in Israel than it had experienced in any previous wars.

Natanyahu is under pressure to restore the deterrence, to again provide the Zionists with a feeling of superiority.

He can not do that.

Any land attack in Gaza means urban warfare in an already destroyed city with large underground facilities. During the taking of Bakhmut the Wagener forces had in total some 40,000 casualties (dead and wounded). The other side had more than 70,000. What price would the IDF have to pay to 'destroy Hamas'?

The other factor is of course Hizbullah and other resistance groups, which may well attack Israel from the north and various other directions. Hizbullah has loudly said it would do so should the IDF enter Gaza. It has some 100,000 missiles - more than enough to exhaust Israel's air defenses. Its longest reach missiles can attack any major city within Israel. There have already been daily fire exchanges at the norther border.

The 2006 war in Lebanon has shown that Hizbullah is dug in and very able to defend itself. It has since gained more experience by fighting ISIS in Syria. Neither U.S. air force attacks nor a land force invasion can hinder Hizbullah from firing its missiles.

(Syria, as well as Iran, will not intervene in the war unless they are directly attacked.)

Netanyahu must attack Gaza to restore deterrence. He can not attack Gaza because the urban warfare would cause large Israeli casualties. He can not attack Gaza because Hizbullah would then destroy the myth of the superior settler state even more than Hamas has done so far.

Israel, with the help of the U.S., has tried to push the population of Gaza into Egypt. From Egypt's standpoint that would be a humanitarian solution, at least as long as others pay for it. But it would cause a serious strategic problem. Resistance by Hamas and others against Israel would continue indefinitely, but Egypt would be held responsible for it. It can not and will not take on that burden.

Netanyahu's next idea was to starve Gaza. But the world will not let him do that. At least not beyond a certain point. Even the UN Secretary General has visited the Rafah crossing (https://www.independent.co.ug/rafah-border-opens-after-un-chief-visit-aid-to-enter-gaza-strip/). Other global organizations, like the WHO (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/first-gaza-aid-trucks-are-drop-in-the-ocean-of-amount-needed-un-agency-chief-warns-after-breakthrough/ar-AA1iBWbv) and ASEAN (https://asean.org/asean-gcc-statement-on-developments-in-gaza/), have spoken up. Pictures of starving people will make it impossible for the west to support that 'solution'.

Meanwhile Hamas fighters will continue to sit in their tunnels, ready to defend their land, and likely with enough provisions to hold out for months.

Israeli settlers, with the support of the IDF, are rampaging through the West Bank. They are killing more Palestinians and further enrage the global public against their deeds. This will escalate.

Israel's decision making is paralyzed. It will for now continue to talk of a ground invasion but will not launch one. It will also continue to starve Gaza.

But something will soon break. At any minute there might be a new large atrocity in Gaza or a pogrom in the West Bank. Any miscalculation in the north could launch that front into a hot war. Hizbullah could start to 'preemptively' invade Israeli proper.
But Israel's Jewish public is still demanding a war of revenge. It still needs the restoration of its deterrence and superiority.

But what if that turns out to be impossible to achieve?

Well. Then something else must change.

As Adam Shatz summarizes in the London Review of Books:

Vengeful Pathologies (https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n20/adam-shatz/vengeful-pathologies) (archived (https://archive.ph/4QQkR))
The inescapable truth is that Israel cannot extinguish Palestinian resistance by violence, any more than the Palestinians can win an Algerian-style liberation war: Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs are stuck with each other, unless Israel, the far stronger party, drives the Palestinians into exile for good. The only thing that can save the people of Israel and Palestine, and prevent another Nakba – a real possibility, while another Holocaust remains a traumatic hallucination – is a political solution that recognises both as equal citizens, and allows them to live in peace and freedom, whether in a single democratic state, two states, or a federation. So long as this solution is avoided, a continuing degradation, and an even greater catastrophe, are all but guaranteed.

[gini]

NPc6bCxJkdY---21 /10/23-An estimated 150,000 pro-Palestinians marched on Central London today (Oct 21). The Met Police stated 10 people were arrested, some during scuffles at Trafalgar Square, later in the evening, following the conclusion of the rally. The Met also stated that five officers were injured during the protest.

[gini]

WvZ64jCZLqc----Oct 22, 2023 #FreePalestine #CeasefireNow #Palestine
Ireland stands proudly with the people of Palestine.

One of the largest demonstrations of international solidarity that Ireland has ever seen.

Ceasefire now. End the Siege. AGbT6O_os1c-
Oct 22, 2023
Thousands of pro-Palestinian supporters rallied outside the US consulate in solidarity for civilians in Gaza. As our Jazan Grewal reports, many of the protestors urged the federal government to call for a ceasefire.

[gini]

0MM2xHIrDsU--2 min--Oct 22, 2023 #ABCNews #ABCNewsAustralia
The streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Perth turned into a sea of green, red, black and white as thousands took part in pro-Palestinian demonstrations.
In Sydney, attendees stretched from the steps of Town Hall along the tram tracks of George Street in the city's centre, chanting "free free Palestine" and "shame shame Albanese".
A number of speakers addressed the crowd including representatives from the Indigenous and Palestinian communities, Jenny Leong from the Greens NSW and Michelle Berkon from Jews Against the Occupation.
The march was given late approval on Friday as NSW Premier Chris Minns promised a "zero tolerance" approach to any violence or hate speech.

[shaberon]

This is a brilliant post, for which a click on the thanks button is inadequate. It is worthy of a full quotation rather than a snippet.


The western world probably first got this as the theme of Dante's Mirrors (https://www.jstor.org/stable/40753514).



I am sure you got the "mirrors" metaphor in the subsequent quotes, and the uncanny identity of our current situation with exactly what Dante was allegorizing.


There was another "mirror" I had in mind using but not much is available about it. This perhaps is what split me off and made me a different kind of reflective, empathic individual than the other kids. Brief anecdote here.

These days we have a ton of NDE stories, but do they really stem from Robert Monroe?

No.

This is something that happened for a friend's birthday party. It was maybe the third or so movie I had ever seen in a theater; we were all very young. And so five or six little kids got tossed into this thing without any adult supervision. Adults used to sponge us off on anything they could, it was a technique, send the kids somewhere, so they could have personal time.

The catharsis was:

Beyond And Back is a 1978 documentary released by Sunn Classic Pictures that deals with the subject of near death experiences. This was one of the first movies to explore this subject and pose the question "Is there life after death".


You can watch it here (https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/beyond-and-back/) on Top Documentary Films (which is an interesting site).

In modern terms, the thing is, of course, very lowly rated because it is so dry and pedantic.

I, personally, have not emerged from the 70s film making style. I like the slower pace and the fact the camera shot does not cut to a new angle for several minutes sometimes. Very steady. I love the melodrama of Chris Lee and BBC Hammer Horror even though the effects are so cheap they are nearly fake. Films like Suspiria, nearly anything that Dario Argento and the Goblins played in, that sort of thing. Beyond and Back, similarly, is at a technical level of "nothing" like those are.

One of the stories is about a young mother who attempts suicide in this manner:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51r3Kj22npL._SX342_SY445_.jpg



Her NDE is straight to hell where a group of hell denizens hold her face over--I think it was a well--and it was not literally a reflection, but it shows how her death caused suffering to her family members and deleted the future children and good experiences she was supposed to have. Very menacing. In essence, she chose life again and was revived.

It never left me mentally. Has nothing to do with religion, but, it does have to do with good and evil.

Death comes, and, when it does, I bet most of those Hamas fighters have a clear conscience--they might not literally get the Thousand Year Paradise, but they will probably generally be rid of ill effects.

I do not think this will be the case for many others of Israel or Ukraine, for example.

Slogans and beliefs won't help you. I don't know what it takes to inspire such personal reflection on their part because they are probably literally afraid of that more than anything. And it is just as bad on the civilian side. An ongoing identity crisis, largely from clinging to something false like Zionism. And it seems they would rather zip their head in a bag, than give pause for consideration, ever.

I don't take two steps without running Dante's entire program, so to speak. I keep doing it, and, yes, it has caused me anguish to have to discard what I think or believe, or what I was doing, but when you have to change something, it takes only a few days and you are over it.

I believe they are too mentally paralyzed with fear to even try.

I am not really angry at the opposite camp, but, sad at the failure and choice of evil destiny. It may seem angry to others, since, ultimately the last resort is force, but learning how to not strike out in anger is quintessential for improving one's state of being.

[Brian Miles Kobernuss]

I feel compelled to express my personal larger picture understanding of this situation.


The enemy of all good Spirit incarnated as humanity - evil - operates under the modality of parasitism.

Parasitism employs a very simple, 2 step strategy;
1) Win the victim's trust while redirecting their threat identification defense to a third party
2) Betray and feed on the victim's life force
(3) Repeat)

At first the parasite gains access to the host's life force.
Later, when the parasite gains full control of the host, it not only continues to feed on their life force, but is also able to project its will through its host - amplifying its power and reach, and causing that host to itself act as a parasite amongst further potential victims
This causes the earlier host to appear clearly to the newer victims as if it is, itself, a parasite - when the very real truth is it still the true Spirit it always was, and not at all unworthy of Care.


For me as this concept relates to the present issue concerning Zionist Israel -
I see a Matryoshka nesting doll of parasitized groups of true Spirit; the Jewish people are one of those groups nearest to the core of the matter (the core here being the actual, Spirit-less, non-human, parasitic evil).
One nesting doll just a layer or so out from a subset of the Jewish people - modern-zionist-state-of-israel-jews - would be the Palestinian people, with Hamas being the most successfully parasitized amongst them.

Always evil tries to portray the battle lines being drawn on one axis, when in fact the true battle line is drawn a full 90 degrees off of that:
They tried to portray the battle within the english-speaking world as between left and right, when the true line was between top and bottom
They tried to portray there being a battle between men and women, when truly the line was between human and otherwise
And here they try to portray the line as being between Israel and Palestine, when truly the line is really the same as always; between the parasite and the True thing that the parasite forever salivates over; us. True Spirit.



This all comes to mind as I read this thread and see us hemming and hawing about who is forgetting what victim, and I say- forget none of them. They're all victims of this evil that we face. The Palestinian child. The Israeli rave-goer - she was doing all she knew how to do to shout for peace. The Israeli mandate-conscript - how was he not a victim of the same MK Ultra mind control that would have had every one of us believing whatever our own governments told us? The Hamas militant - at 20 and intentionally starved of truth in his city-prison all his life, how was he to know that attacking random Jewish civilians was exactly what the parasite wanted him to do?

It has come up a couple times with a good friend of mine recently the concept of the Jewish people being highly intellectual but also fairly cold blooded and calculating - and I have been reminded of my study of many recovered MK Ultra women - many of them had truly astonishing capabilities - full recall, remote viewing, various psychic abilities... all the while being fully mentally enslaved. As with many masonic activities, they do all things in a dual form, and MK Ultra is no exception - these ladies are survivors from the covert side of that program, and every one of us is being subjected to the overt side of the same, over the airwaves and through 'kulture'. It seems clear to me that the parasite inside the modern zionist state of israel subjects its population to perhaps the strongest implementation of the overt side of that program that exists on the planet.


I think that this time we are in is designed for us to best learn the truth of what things are, by learning what it is that they are not.

When we decide to identify the Hamas extremists, or the Jewish people, or even the zionist modern state of isreal as being the true source of the suffering, then we are doing exactly what the true evil wants.

[pyrangello]

Bokeb, your observations from many sides really details just how screwed up one small region can be by living in isolation and carrying on a tradition of hate, violence, and so called justice. Its almost like living in a depressed part of a major city here in America only there isn't rockets and grenades going off or tanks in the streets. But yet it is a way of life all it's own. It has its own idealoligy , it's own ecosystem, and it's own acceptance and non acceptance. I think most of us are praying for a peaceful resolution to all of this, that almost seems non existent from what has taken place already. This is all very sad, so many talented people, people with so much passion, and yet a small sliver of evil so heinous it can destroy that talent and passion mission in 1 hour. Now we wait.

[Bill Ryan]

There are many more videos of protests around the world than those shared above... really too many to post very easily.

But here's a 20-second video that's worth seeing. (What I've NOT noticed reported are protests supporting Israel, though there must be some somewhere??)

The text:
Israel's Consul General was giving a speech at Harvard Law School, and didn't expect to be met with such an embarrassing scene.

https://t.me/llordofwar/221489

llordofwar/221489

[norman]

From The Moon of Alabama, today:


https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/netanyahoos-strategic-dilema.html

Netanyahu's Strategic Dilemma





I posted this another thread last week.

https://twitter.com/LaineyWasi/status/1711002380874002937
1711002380874002937

[gini]

8dyVUwDu52k. -16 min-21/10/23-The horrific video taken by Hamas terrorists of a family - moments before being murdered

[Bill Ryan]

Most interestingly, Larry Johnson (highly experienced, well-connected, and nobody's fool) now concludes that Israel bombed the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza. (In his initial, earlier article (https://sonar21.com/many-unanswered-questions-surrounding-alleged-israeli-bombing-of-baptist-hospital-in-the-gaza-strip/) he'd said he was open to the idea that it was an accident by Hamas.)


https://sonar21.com/after-weighing-the-evidence-israel-appears-responsible-for-the-bombing-of-the-al-ahli-hospital (https://sonar21.com/after-weighing-the-evidence-israel-appears-responsible-for-the-bombing-of-the-al-ahli-hospital\)

After Weighing the Evidence, Israel Appears Responsible for the Bombing of the Al-Ahli Hospital

I don’t think this post will make anyone happy and will certainly stir up criticism. I have been looking at the photographic evidence and listening to the audio of the missile impact/blast. Please understand that I am neither anti-Israel or pro-Israel. Ditto for Palestinians. Put me in the category of someone who thinks the Israelis and Palestinians deserve a chance to live in peace and security and should not be killing or oppressing each other.

I am now ready to offer my opinion. I believe the hospital parking area was struck by an Israeli munition, most likely a Hellfire launched from a drone. A friend with expertise in this area passed this on:
An MQ-9 carrying thermobaric versions of the hellfire missile (something we’ve supplied to Israel) is very possible. That particular version of the missile (AGM-114N) provides a particularly nasty thermobaric/incendiary blast that was originally designed to be skipped/or detonated at the mouth of a cave opening and burn out all the oxygen (suffocating the inhabitants further down the tunnel). My leading theory? Israel might have thought there was a Hamas tunnel system in the area and was taking a shot. That impact crater fits.
Why do I dismiss the charge that Hamas was responsible? Please look and listen to the footage of the blast:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGG8R8t7cCo
I have searched the web and cannot find a single example of Hamas launching a weapon with this sound and blast signature against Israel during the past ten years. If you can find one, please let me know. I will stand corrected. The rockets Hamas routinely fires at Israel are not precision guided projectiles and they are not accelerating beyond the speed of gravity as they fall towards the earth with a great “Whooshing” sound. More importantly, the Hamas “warheads” are relatively small and have not caused mass casualties in Israel comparable to what was seen at Al-Ahli Hospital.

Some have suggested, wrongly, that it was an MK-84 bomb (a 2000 pound monster). Look at this and judge for yourself.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvm2z6XMXMw
As you can see for yourself, any of the MK variants would have left an enormous crater in the parking lot. There is no big crater.

Israel did itself no favors yesterday (Thursday) in trying to distance itself from the Hospital bombing when it attacked part of the Greek Orthodox Church of Saint Porphyrius, an important historical and religious landmark. According to the Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip-conflict/card/two-killed-in-airstrike-on-gaza-church-o1OZKcSMz5MEgtHF3SF5), the Israeli military confirmed it bombed the church. Hamas supporters merely point to the attack on Saint Porphyrius as more proof that this is Israel’s standard operating procedure. The church bomb killed 17, which included some children, and wounded dozens.

Israel justified the attack:
Explaining the damage done to the church, the IDF stressed that “Hamas intentionally embeds its assets in civilian areas and uses the residents of the Gaza Strip as human shields”.
Which raises an interesting point about double-standards. If Russia attacked a church in Ukraine and killed children, women and disabled people, it would be rightly condemned for committing a war crime. What galls the Arab and Muslim world is that there is no similar outcry from the West, especially America.

https://sonar21.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/image-33.png

There is some good news. Groups of Jews and Palestinian supporters have joined together to protest the actions of Netanyahu’s Government. While these protests are small, it is a hopeful sign that Jews and Palestinians can come together a call for a peaceful solution. However, Israel is still pursuing a more “cowbell” strategy.

[Dorjezigzag]

Most interestingly, Larry Johnson (highly experienced, well-connected, and nobody's fool) now concludes that Israel bombed the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza. (In his initial, earlier article (https://sonar21.com/many-unanswered-questions-surrounding-alleged-israeli-bombing-of-baptist-hospital-in-the-gaza-strip/) he'd said he was open to the idea that it was an accident by Hamas.)


https://sonar21.com/after-weighing-the-evidence-israel-appears-responsible-for-the-bombing-of-the-al-ahli-hospital (https://sonar21.com/after-weighing-the-evidence-israel-appears-responsible-for-the-bombing-of-the-al-ahli-hospital\)

After Weighing the Evidence, Israel Appears Responsible for the Bombing of the Al-Ahli Hospital

I don’t think this post will make anyone happy and will certainly stir up criticism. I have been looking at the photographic evidence and listening to the audio of the missile impact/blast. Please understand that I am neither anti-Israel or pro-Israel. Ditto for Palestinians. Put me in the category of someone who thinks the Israelis and Palestinians deserve a chance to live in peace and security and should not be killing or oppressing each other.

I am now ready to offer my opinion. I believe the hospital parking area was struck by an Israeli munition, most likely a Hellfire launched from a drone. A friend with expertise in this area passed this on:
An MQ-9 carrying thermobaric versions of the hellfire missile (something we’ve supplied to Israel) is very possible. That particular version of the missile (AGM-114N) provides a particularly nasty thermobaric/incendiary blast that was originally designed to be skipped/or detonated at the mouth of a cave opening and burn out all the oxygen (suffocating the inhabitants further down the tunnel). My leading theory? Israel might have thought there was a Hamas tunnel system in the area and was taking a shot. That impact crater fits.
Why do I dismiss the charge that Hamas was responsible? Please look and listen to the footage of the blast:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGG8R8t7cCo
I have searched the web and cannot find a single example of Hamas launching a weapon with this sound and blast signature against Israel during the past ten years. If you can find one, please let me know. I will stand corrected. The rockets Hamas routinely fires at Israel are not precision guided projectiles and they are not accelerating beyond the speed of gravity as they fall towards the earth with a great “Whooshing” sound. More importantly, the Hamas “warheads” are relatively small and have not caused mass casualties in Israel comparable to what was seen at Al-Ahli Hospital.

Some have suggested, wrongly, that it was an MK-84 bomb (a 2000 pound monster). Look at this and judge for yourself.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvm2z6XMXMw
As you can see for yourself, any of the MK variants would have left an enormous crater in the parking lot. There is no big crater.

Israel did itself no favors yesterday (Thursday) in trying to distance itself from the Hospital bombing when it attacked part of the Greek Orthodox Church of Saint Porphyrius, an important historical and religious landmark. According to the Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip-conflict/card/two-killed-in-airstrike-on-gaza-church-o1OZKcSMz5MEgtHF3SF5), the Israeli military confirmed it bombed the church. Hamas supporters merely point to the attack on Saint Porphyrius as more proof that this is Israel’s standard operating procedure. The church bomb killed 17, which included some children, and wounded dozens.

Israel justified the attack:
Explaining the damage done to the church, the IDF stressed that “Hamas intentionally embeds its assets in civilian areas and uses the residents of the Gaza Strip as human shields”.
Which raises an interesting point about double-standards. If Russia attacked a church in Ukraine and killed children, women and disabled people, it would be rightly condemned for committing a war crime. What galls the Arab and Muslim world is that there is no similar outcry from the West, especially America.

https://sonar21.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/image-33.png

There is some good news. Groups of Jews and Palestinian supporters have joined together to protest the actions of Netanyahu’s Government. While these protests are small, it is a hopeful sign that Jews and Palestinians can come together a call for a peaceful solution. However, Israel is still pursuing a more “cowbell” strategy.

The issue I had with the falling Islamic jihad rocket narrative, which I mentioned in my post regarding this, was that the firestorm created was a lot bigger than I would think was possible from even a full payload of fuel from one of these small rockets.

The issue I have with it being a thermobaric or vacuum bomb is that the blast wreckage is not consistent with what one would expect. Only one vehicle has been turned over and you would expect to see more vehicles sent flying, with much greater damage to the surrounding buildings, possibly even bringing them down.

Also, experts in medical damage (https://jmvh.org/article/munitions-thermobaric-munitions-and-their-medical-effects/) should be able to establish that the injuries were consistent with a thermobaric explosion which can be quite unique.

I do think this issue should at least be debated and I can't see any mainstream engagement with this possibility which is interesting. (Although there maybe some I have not seen)

As I said before I believe the whole event has been kept ambiguous to maximise division.

[SilentFeathers]

Can you just imagine how this conversation went?
The Pope not understanding Biden's mumbled sentences and Biden not understanding a word the Pope said....


Vatican: Pope, Biden Discussed Israel Conflict, Other Wars

Pope Francis and U.S. President Joe Biden discussed the Israel-Hamas conflict and other wars in a telephone conversation on Sunday, the Vatican said.

The conversation lasted about 20 minutes and "focused on conflict situations in the world and the need to identify paths to peace," the Vatican said.
more.... (https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/pope-biden-israel/2023/10/22/id/1139219/)

Evil is lurking around every corner and playing with the lives of approx. 8 billion people....

[Bill Ryan]

I don't know whether this is true or not, but it was posted on this telegram channel 34 minutes ago.

If Israel DOES bomb the hospital (and they might), then it's a self-announced war crime of the greatest magnitude. You cannot evacuate a hospital in an hour — or even several days.

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/2688
BREAKING: The IDF has given al-Quds hospital in Gaza 1 hour to evacuate
The hospital is currently treating hundreds of patients, and sheltering thousands more.

Middle_East_Spectator/2688

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1716230622253834574

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[Ravenlocke]

October 21


https://x.com/PalestineRCS/status/1715792405880848623

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https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1716235059911336279

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https://x.com/PalestineRCS/status/1716211894820724965

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1716229319029133505

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https://x.com/PalestineRCS/status/1716224980491374908

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https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1716221482878017893

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[Lunesoleil]

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After 65 bans on canceled demonstrations, the first authorized in Paris more than 15,000 people to support the Palestinian people was Sunday :heart2:

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1716223380356034916

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https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1716224159447941352

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https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1716230886880911792


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https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1716101185059291606

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/OnlinePalEng/status/1716048178049335639

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https://x.com/OnlinePalEng/status/1716157806812823795

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https://x.com/OnlinePalEng/status/1715855053859275039

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https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1716225588782854205

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1716116487574855763

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[Inversion]

Taiwanese owned Evergreen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_Group) Marine Corp has declared a force majeure for stops in Ashdod port in Israel and are redirected to the port of Haifa due to rocket attacks. Since the conflict started war risk insurance has gone up tenfold.


What is an example of a force majeure event? Typical force majeure events include natural disasters (fire, storms, floods), governmental or societal actions (war, invasion, civil unrest, labor strikes), and infrastructure failures (transportation, energy).

taipeitimes (https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2023/10/19/2003807885)

Taiwanese container shipping line Evergreen Marine Corp (長榮海運) has declared force majeure on a shipment to the Israeli port of Ashdod, with its Ever Cozy vessel diverted to Haifa due to safety concerns, a customer note said.

This is one of the first force majeures declared since Hamas launched attacks on Israel on Oct. 7 and amid preparations by Israel’s military to launch ground operations into Gaza in retaliation.

The Ever Cozy on Tuesday was sailing toward Haifa, data from ship tracking and maritime analytics provider MarineTraffic showed.

While the smaller Ashkelon port, which is the closest terminal to Gaza, has shut, Ashdod has remained opened with restrictions on the transport of hazardous goods, including flammable and explosive materials.

In a note to customers dated Monday, Evergreen said that it was informed about the “persisting unsafe situation” at Ashdod port since Oct. 7.

“As the situation is beyond Evergreen Line’s control, we are formally declaring force majeure,” the advisory said. “All cargoes which were originally destined for Ashdod, Israel, will be discharged at Port of Haifa, Israel. Thereafter, the subject contract of carriage is treated as terminated and all carrier’s responsibilities shall cease.”

In the latest update, Ashdod port said on its Web site that employees continued to work “at a time when the port is operating with constant siren alerts for incoming missiles.”

On Tuesday, three ships, including an oil tanker, remained at anchor waiting to enter Ashdod, while 16 ships were anchored near Haifa, the MarineTraffic data showed.

Ashdod and Haifa are vital goods gateways for Israel.

War risk insurance rates have soared more than 10-fold in the past few days to Israeli ports with growing concerns over an escalation in hostilities.

List of their ships with Ever in the name. I see a NWO & They Live theme.

wikiwand (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_largest_container_ships)
ships (https://www.evergreen-line.com/vesselparticulars/jsp/VSL_VesselType.jsp?vslType=O)

Ever Ace, Ever Act, Ever Alp, Ever Arm, Ever Art, Ever Glory, Ever Govern, Ever Globe, Ever Greet, Ever Golden, Ever Genius, Ever Given (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9FXWmwvri4), Ever Gifted, Ever Grade, Ever Gentle, Ever Orient, Ever Ocean, Ever Oasis, Ever Order, Ever Own, Ever Oath, Ever Opus, Ever Obey, Ever Outdo, Ever Onward, Ever Cozy & Ever Optima.

Data Given (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118670-Death-toll-in-Texas-elementary-school-shooting-rises-18-children-2-adults-killed-by-shooter&p=1499984&viewfull=1#post1499984)

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1716217888028205386

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https://x.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1716159101112058067
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https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1716217377782726765

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https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1716212505763021171

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1716113454619152720

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1716238352444170691

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[SilentFeathers]

I don't know whether this is true or not, but it was posted on this telegram channel 34 minutes ago.

If Israel DOES bomb the hospital (and they might), then it's a self-announced war crime of the greatest magnitude. You cannot evacuate a hospital in an hour — or even several days.

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/2688
BREAKING: The IDF has given al-Quds hospital in Gaza 1 hour to evacuate
The hospital is currently treating hundreds of patients, and sheltering thousands more.

Middle_East_Spectator/2688

If they do this, I image we'll be seeing global riots. If they enter Gaza, which they highly likely will, we'll likely see global riots.
I think we might be on the brink of seeing violence break out everywhere. Domino effect is about to happen.

[norman]

This video was uploaded 13 days ago, but it was recorded in 2017, so the video title is misleading.

The guy is a son of the founding Hamas leader. He switched from islam to christian years ago. Considering it's fairly well understood that Hamas was created by Israel, this rant has to be seen as highly political.


Ex-member of Hamas speaking about {recent conflict in Israel NOT}

https://rumble.com/v3ny284-ex-member-of-hamas-speaking-about-recent-conflict-in-israel.html

v3lco9a/?pub=1yatds

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/OnlinePalEng/status/1715855053859275039

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https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1716197735932834113

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/MayadeenEnglish/status/1716161164504104992

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[shaberon]

Theoretically, this is the stuff that's supposed to spring neo-Nazis out of the woodwork, but that's not what's happening is it:


Transport Ministry: Israeli aggression puts Damascus and Aleppo airports out of service

Hezbollah Attacks Again Israeli Occupation Sites on Lebanon Borders

Chinese Embassy Says 'Stop Groundless Hyping' of Its Navy Deployment to Mideast

How about a phone call (https://tass.com/politics/1695093):


Russian diplomats are verifying reports about the death of a Russia-speaking family in the Gaza Strip, they may be citizens of a CIS country, the Russian foreign ministry told TASS on Sunday.

"Russian diplomats are currently verifying media reports about the death of a Russian-speaking family in the settlement of Der Al-Balah (in central Gaza) as a result of Israeli strikes. According to reports, a woman and her children were killed," it said. "According to preliminary information, they are citizens of a CIS country."


That's an "if" but there "are" some 1,000+ actual Russians in there.

[Dennis Leahy]

Israel’s Culture of Deceit

Israel, which always seeks to blame Palestinians for the atrocities it carries out, is the least trustworthy source about the bombing of the hospital in Gaza.

Israel was founded on lies. The lie that Palestinian land was largely unoccupied. The lie that 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and villages during (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/15/nakba-mapping-palestinian-villages-destroyed-by-israel-in-1948) their ethnic cleansing by Zionist militias in 1948 because they were told to (https://www.palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/attachments/jps-articles/why%20did%20the%20palestinians%20leave.pdf) do so by Arab leaders. The lie that it was Arab armies that started (https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2017/5/23/the-nakba-did-not-start-or-end-in-1948) the 1948 war that saw Israel seize 78 percent of historic Palestine. The lie that Israel faced (https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/a-50-year-occupation-israels-six-day-war-started-with-a-lie/) annihilation in 1967, forcing it to invade and occupy the remaining (https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/6/4/the-naksa-how-israel-occupied-the-whole-of-palestine-in-1967) 22 percent of Palestine, as well as land belonging to Egypt and Syria.
Israel is sustained by lies. The lie that Israel wants a just and equitable peace and will support a Palestinian state. The lie (https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid) that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. The lie that Israel is an “outpost of Western civilization in a sea of barbarism.” The lie that Israel respects the rule of law and human rights.
Israel’s atrocities against the Palestinians are always greeted with lies. I heard them. I recorded them. I published them in my stories for The New York Times when I was the paper’s Middle East Bureau Chief.
I covered war for two decades, including seven years in the Middle East. ...

-Chris Hedges
Read the rest of his article at Substack, here: https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/israels-culture-of-deceit
(https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/israels-culture-of-deceit)

[SilentFeathers]

Same card that was played in Iraq and Syria....


Herzog confirms Israel found Hamas files with instructions for making chemical weapons
Israeli President Isaac Herzog confirmed on Sunday Axios' report that the IDF found a USB key with instructions for producing a "cyanide dispersion device" on the body of a Hamas operative who participated in the Oct. 7 terrorist attack.
Article (https://www.axios.com/2023/10/22/israel-hamas-body-chemical-weapon-herzog)

[norman]

https://twitter.com/JeckovKanani/status/1712530799369801825
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[Lunesoleil]

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Peace and love. This is what all human beings living in Israel, Palestine and throughout the world need. :heart2:

[Vicus]

God’s Chosen People and the “Moral” West October 22, 2023


Paul Craig Roberts

More than 2 million Palestinian people have now been without running water, electricity, food, medicine, for 10 days.

After instituting the blockade of Gaza, Israel dropped 4,000 tons of bombs on Gaza in a 5 day period (Oct 7 – 12). Nine more days have passed with continued heavy bombing; if continued at the same rate, Israel has dropped more than 10,000 tons of bombs – 2 million pounds of high-explosive — on the people of Gaza.

Israel told 1.1 million Palestinians that they had 24 hours to leave northern Gaza or else be bombed. The JDAM bombs being dropped on Gaza were supplied to Israel by the US. Many thousands have been killed since the bombing began. 52% of the Palestinians in Gaza are under 18 years of age; a huge percentage of those Palestinians being killed and wounded are children.

This is blatant ethnic cleansing and it is receiving the full support of the United States. In the UN Security Council, the US has twice vetoed Resolutions calling for a ceasefire in Gaza; the vote on the second attempt was 14 to 1, with the US being the only no vote with their veto. The US does not want a ceasefire, it wants war, and thus has sent Carrier Battle Groups, squadrons of A-10 Warthogs, and thousands of Marines in preparation to back up an Israeli ground assault into Gaza.

The US is now complicit in the massive war crime being committed in Gaza by Israel. All the endless US speeches about freedom and democracy ring hollow in the face of this atrocity. And these crimes are likely to get much worse once Israel sends hundreds of thousands of troops into Gaza.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/10/22/gods-chosen-people-and-the-moral-west/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMyGigtZ2j4

[norman]

Could this be an attempt at Israel's 3rd option, and face saving move ?

https://twitter.com/chuckcallesto/status/1716250178896679330
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[ExomatrixTV]

Dave Chappelle BOO'D, Audience WALKS OUT After He Accuses Israel Of War Crimes: Report

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Briahna Joy Gray and Robby Soave react to Dace Chappelle's bit on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

[ExomatrixTV]

Douglas Macgregor: "DEVASTATING! Israel just made a fatal mistake..."

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Douglas Macgregor: "DEVASTATING! Israel just made a fatal mistake..." Colonel Douglas Macgregor, in a recent statement made just an hour ago, offers his perspective on the future of Israel.

[pyrangello]

INTEL - Refueling Tankers Up and C-17 Airlift in progress

Whatever is going on, it appears it's going to be sudden and very big.

One former colleague I spoke with this morning told me "By this time tomorrow, the world will be a very different place." He did not specify what he meant.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/