We are under the influence of Lunacy according to Clif High

[Delight]

This was a fascinating description of some of Clif High's latest data regarding the moon, anomalies I have been unaware about the moon, "people" in the moon and knowledge of how we are being affected by the moon. He truly is a genius of interesting and possibly true new knowledge.

The presence in the moon is messing with us and Clif's data suggests we will be confronting "the people" from the moon in the next couple of years. How can our self knowledge of how to deal with contention assist us? IMO it is huge. For instance, what I think about is how going to war is never about how to achieve peace. We hear how powerful LOVE is in creation, yet we don't use LOVE to contend with others.

It reminds me of a kind of vision I have that IF there is a War In Heaven (on the astral plane, spiritual realm, however it is defined), Angels with swords would be wielding swords of LOVE and the adversary would flee. As above, so below.

One of the big new ideas it brought to me is what he call "contention" in our psyches produced by lunar effects. One of his thoughts is that PERHAPS the Universe or God or whatever is teaching us here about contention in ourselves, between people and as the reason we war.

I never thought about the idea that I came here to learn about contention and it relieves me greatly about the purpose of this lunacy asylum. I want a world where we use the power of LOVE. Aikido uses an adversary's energy to neutralize a threat. Aikido is what Clif uses... the martial art of Peace.

I suspect we should start investigating Lunacy along with CLIF. This video will link people to some source material

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[Vicus]

Crazy synchronicity ?

This is a difficult post for me...for many reasons...

Last night just because boredom I browsed old links and readied this one:https://www.alliesofhumanity.org/marshall-vian-summers/

In short this man claims to have a message from some "good" entities for us...where we are warning about unavoidable "contact".

Today I saw this video again and some bulb went "on"...

Clif High claim to discover some strange data where someone or something is doing the same with us!...from the Moon!

I pull the breaks on the floor when he say one word: contention . I dint knew this word in English,after searching another bulb went on!

He explain that eons ago humanity was not war like folk, and the sky was another as today...

Well I heard that... the "Golden Age" with Saturn as the "Sun", some paradise like Era

And his late conclusion is that the Moon was "planted" where today is for some "change in us" to develop...
In sum we were like children, innocent, and we needed to grow...with some help from outside ... and we became warriors!

Today searching in Avalon I found the link above: All of this got a bad rap, I know...
But in the last book will emphasize that only knowledge will help us to discern friend from foe ( and here we need contention too!)

There are other "folks " near to us, and they salivate about our resources...

Just take this post as exercise...

[palehorse]

Thank you Delight :bowing:

Back in 2000 I was introduced to this idea that the moon is actually our enemy when I was a student of the Fourth Way, most of what Mr. Cliff spoke make sense, some are facts, others conjectures , but I do understand his point of view in pursuing this very important matter. kudos for him to have the balls to bring this topic up once again, most people will judge it as another flat earth (flat moon) joke without even taking the time to do their own research. Cliff even brought up about the Etruscan language, as much as I know his references are correct.

Here is a very interesting reading I would like to share, absolutely on topic :) and of course there is more material regarding the power of moon over earth, things that are ancient, as Gurdjieff was also a student he learned from much wiser people in his travelings throughout Eurasia, I will check on my personal archive if I can bring up something older referring to the moon.


"Everything living on the Earth, people, animals, plants, is food for the moon…. All movements, actions, and manifestations of people, animals, and plants depend upon the moon and are controlled by the moon…. The mechanical part of our life depends upon the moon, is subject to the moon. If we develop in ourselves consciousness and will, and subject our mechanical life and all our mechanical manifestations to them, we shall escape from the power of the moon."

— G. I. Gurdjieff

In 1916, hoping to interest the Russian intelligentsia in his teaching, Mr. Gurdjieff asked his students to spread the ideas. It’s likely that the idea about man being not only a puppet of the moon but also its “food” was one they rarely, if ever, spoke about. It’s just too strange. Even today, some 90 years later, there is little discussion about the unique place given the moon in the teaching. If mentioned at all, it is taken either as a fable or as a metaphor for the creation of the moon in oneself. But Gurdjieff maintained that all of his ideas could be taken in seven different ways, one of which is factual.

Gurdjieff’s ideas of the moon’s control and use of the organic life of the Earth, and that but for the moon’s need there would be no organic life, or at the least a very different organic life on Earth, seem to be unique to The Fourth Way. Is this idea—that all organic life and man in particular are intimately involved in the mechanical process of reciprocal maintenance—unique to Gurdjieff’s teaching or have modern science, other ways, teachings and religions spoken of this?

Today’s scientific thought considers the moon to be essentially dead and acknowledges only the gravitational influence of the moon, primarily the tidal effect. This influence could be considered a “measurable” influence. There is anecdotal evidence of the moon’s more “subtle” influence on human behavior, generally considered to be a negative effect, on a woman’s menstrual cycle and on plant growth. Belief in the moon’s subtle influence on life is widely held among diverse cultures and often incorporated into their agrarian and cultural practices and beliefs. Science to date has been unable to prove that these subtle influences on life are real.


Water & Life

Though there is perhaps a connection between the scientifically acknowledged, measurable influence of the moon as the cause of tidal movements, human behavior and women’s menstrual cycles, these studies are quite far from showing causation. The commonality may be that the moon does affect the movement of fluids on Earth. The human body is between 50 and 60 percent water, with the brain containing approximately 75 percent water. Plant life can contain up to 90 percent water. The one element that science believes to be indispensable for life is water. Scientific thought sees that the Earth has an abundance of water, a complex atmosphere and therefore an abundance of life. Conversely, until recently science believed the moon has no water, no atmosphere, and no way of acquiring either and therefore is dead and will likely always be dead. The part of this scientific thinking that has recently changed involves the presence of water on the moon. The moon is now believed to have small quantities of water in the form of ice at the moon’s south and north poles. The source and extent of water on the moon is unknown.

So, is the moon dead or merely a very young planet (in planetary terms) beginning its process of growth? Gurdjieff stated quite clearly that the moon is a being, a younger version of the Earth, evolving and growing with the help of organic life on Earth. That organic life is influenced and manipulated to provide what the moon needs for its growth. This Trogoautoegocratic system is a part of the teaching’s cosmology, as graphically demonstrated in the Ray of Creation. As a part of Fourth Way cosmology, the moon is near the end of the descending creative octave. It is in the creation, or origin of the moon, that current science belatedly has come to a very similar, though not identical, view as to the mechanics that led to the creation of the moon.


Gurdjieff’s Anulios Discovered

In the First Series Gurdjieff writes that the moon was created accidentally by the collision of the Earth with the comet Kondoor. The largest fragment created by this collision was subsequently captured and became Earth’s moon. After many years of favoring other theories, today’s science, for the most part, has come to accept the hypothesis of a giant collision as the causal event which resulted in the creation of the moon. This theory postulates that during the Earth’s early life, some four billion years ago, a planetoid of approximately the size of Mars collided with a young planet Earth. The ensuing debris that was the result of the collision accreted and formed the moon. Satellite investigations and analysis of the rocks brought back to earth by the Apollo manned space missions have provided many details of the composition of the moon. With the use of this information and computer modeling, modern science has generally come to believe that the moon’s origin is best explained by the giant collision hypothesis.

Amazingly, Gurdjieff also held that at the time of this collision a smaller moon, which he calls Anulios, was created. Some 20 years after his death this was scientifically verified. The New York Times reported in July 1970:

It has recently been discovered that the Earth and the moon do not make up an isolated, self-sufficient two-body system, as men have believed for centuries. Rather, they are part of a three-body system whose third member is a tiny “quasi-moon” only a mile or two in diameter. Toro, as this third body has been named, wanders around the sun five times in the time that it takes Earth to make eight circuits. When Toro comes too near earth—9.3 million miles at the closest point—Earth’s gravity tends to change Toro’s curvilinear path so that on its next passage it is further away from Earth; in turn, Earth’s gravity affects this revised path so that on its following pass it is closer to Earth.

While current scientific thought has relegated the moon to a chunk of dead rock exerting only a measurable gravitational influence on the Earth, this view did not always dominate man’s beliefs. The science, religions and peoples of the ancient world had a quite different view of the moon.

Pliny the Elder, a first century Roman naturalist, illustrates the scientific beliefs of his time which still held the moon as an influential presence on the organic life of Earth. “We may certainly conjecture that the moon is not unjustly regarded as the star of our life. This it is that replenishes the earth; when she approaches it, she fills all the bodies, while when she recedes, she empties them. From this cause it is that shell-fish increase with the increase of the moon and that the bloodless creatures especially feel the breath at that time; even the blood of men grows and diminishes with the light of the moon, and leaves and herbage also feel the same influence, since the lunar energy penetrates all things.”

Pliny’s words and observations, specifics aside, are not incompatible with Fourth Way teachings in that they represent a sweeping and dynamic view of the moon’s influence on organic life.


A Life-Giving Moon?

In the past, the moon was often seen as a living, life-giving and life-effecting being as represented by a particular god or goddess. Worship of the moon or its representatives and the orientation of life by the lunar calendar was a main focus of religious life. Time was measured by the cycles of the moon and the moon was believed to have an effect on the most essential aspects of life. Within the beliefs of the past there is often found a close association of the moon with liquids of life: water, rain, the ocean, dew, sap, milk, blood, semen, menstrual fluids.

The crescent moon often represented a container of a life-giving liquid and is seen throughout the ancient world as a crown adorning the heads of gods and goddesses. The old polytheistic religions of the world are replete with moon gods, goddesses and beings associated with the moon: Thoth, Ancient Egypt; Bridgit the Enchantress, Celtic Ireland; Diana, Ancient Rome; Artemis the Divine Archer, Ancient Greece; Shing-Moo, Ancient China; Cybele, The Lioness, Ancient Phrygia; Sinn, Ancient Babylonia; Helcate, the dark one, Ancient Greece; Lilith, Ancient Sumeria; Khons, the forgotten Egyptian, Ancient Egypt; Caridwen, Queen of the Cauldron; Danu, the Good Mother, Ireland; Isis, Mistress of Majic, Ancient Egypt, and many others.

Though many of man’s religions of the past promoted these beliefs, people through their own observations, experiences and instincts could often confirm the basis of religious teachings. In the arid climes where civilization first arose, the moon was generally the most important object and focus of religious ideas and observances. In juxtaposition to the sun, the other large dynamic celestial presence in their lives, the night and moon were welcomed. The desiccating sun, often seen as a destroyer of life, was gone, cooler temperatures enveloped the world, dew was formed and life became tolerable. The tangible relief that people felt in the setting of the sun and rising of the moon confirmed the soundness of many of their religious beliefs. Throughout the records that have come to us from the past there is extensive documentation of the widespread belief of life’s dependence on the moon. This view of dependence, to some degree, correlates with Fourth Way teachings. Gurdjieff says that it is the moon that exerts a mechanical control on all organic life on earth, though he also presents a less benign posture towards the moon: “The moon is man’s big enemy. We serve the moon.” While acknowledging the moon’s control, Fourth Way teaching brings a way to escape from this control, from mechanical life to “real life.”

Beginning with the late Bronze Age and early Iron Age (ca. 2000–1250 BCE) there began to be a lessening of the belief in the moon as the regulator and provider of life. Consequently, worship of the moon by the Earth’s peoples diminished. Concurrent with the moon’s decent there was an ascendancy of the sun in many of the religious beliefs of the world; the sun began to usurp many of the moon’s powers. This process of “solarization” was gradual and by no means universally accepted and was often met with resistance. Sun worship is essentially a learned belief. As science grew, belief in the sun’s dominance grew. Worship of the moon had begun and then grew instinctively; worship of the sun grew as the minds of men were taken with calculations and rationality. The science behind sun worship was undertaken by priests, not the people. Sun worship was facilitated by continually placing the sun’s location further and further from the Earth. Despite resistance by people clinging to the more instinctive beliefs of the past, solarization continued unabated. The solarization process has of late culminated in man’s current scientific view of the moon. This view, conveniently, is not at a cross purpose to the prevailing Western religious doctrines or conventional societal thought. By their actions and beliefs, even outside of the current mainstream religious teachings, it appears that most modern Western people have, in effect, become worshipers of the sun. In the Western world, the moon, with its importance in the minds of men greatly diminished by science and religion, has been left to the realm of poets, pagans and peasants.


Food for the Moon

Within the polytheistic world there is a partial correlation with The Fourth Way’s teaching regarding man as a food for the moon. In the mythology and the teachings of several of these polytheistic religions is found the belief in the moon as the repository of the finer bodies of man. In Etruscan mythology, the moon or “Luna” is the underworld, where souls go to rest and the production of new souls begins. In Greek mythology, upon death the soul and psyche first go to the moon and then go to the underworld where there is a second death and a separation. The soul then goes to the moon and the psyche to the sun. The Bhagavad-Gita describes two paths souls travel after physical death; one is the path of the sun, also known as the bright path, and the other is the path of the moon, known as the dark path. Gurdjieff states that man is a food for the moon and these myths and beliefs to a degree correlate with his statement. Gurdjieff also states that, “We are like the moon’s sheep, which it cleans, feeds and sheers, and keeps for its own purposes.” Though pantheistic religions and mythology put man under the sway of the gods they do not equate man to the status of domesticated sheep. This degree of mechanical control by the moon over organic life on Earth and man in particular is probably unique to Fourth Way teaching. Gurdjieff’s statement also implies that the moon is somehow feeding man. There is indeed some basis in Hindu beliefs that man does, at least indirectly, receive something from the moon in the form of soma. Soma in Hindu mythology is an elixir of immortality that only the gods can drink; the moon is said to be the storehouse or cup of soma. Though soma is believed by some to be a plant-derived intoxicant or hallucinogen, this may be a distraction from its real meaning. A verse from the Bhagavad-Gita speaks to this: “Permeating throughout the planetary system I maintain all moving and stationary beings by my potency and having become the essence of the moon, I nourish all plant life.”

Certain yogis believe that soma is a life-giving fluid created from the finer bodies of man that is to be showered by the moon with her light that descends on vegetables to form vitamins; it is also present in the cerebrum and has an essential role in the reproductive process. “The astral body rises up to the moon, the sun or other heavenly stars…. All our noble and virtuous deeds, our prayers and oblations offered with faith project that astral fluid from our bodies to the higher regions. The moon being the nearest heavenly body and a satellite of the earth attracts the astral fluid thus projected up and converts it into soma which in turn falls on the electric atmosphere of the earth and showers with rains, it descends with rainwater and takes the form of sap in vegetables, and lastly takes the form of semen when vegetables are consumed as food.”

Thus apparently it is within the Hindu yogic tradition that the closest approximation of Fourth Way teaching is found regarding the mechanical relationship of reciprocal maintenance of organic life on Earth with the moon. Even here, though there is a correspondence, there is not a clear view of the extent of organic life’s interdependence with the moon. A search through the beliefs of religions and mythology of the Earth’s peoples in seeking direct correspondence with this part of Fourth Way teaching is striking in the lack of even a close correlation. That the external teachings and beliefs of the three main monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, have little in them that remotely resembles Fourth Way teaching is perhaps to be expected. The external trappings of all three of these great monotheistic religions were developed in a world saturated with pagan religions and were established in opposition to pagan beliefs. It is only within the polytheistic religions of the world that hints and similarities exist. The blunt clarity of Gurdjieff’s words is not to be demonstrably found within other teachings.

The lack of direct correlation in and of itself brings forth a question. What explains the uniqueness of this part of the teaching and why isn’t there a more direct correlation? Perhaps Gurdjieff answers this himself in the First Series “It might happen that having understood the reason for their arising, namely, that by their existence they should maintain the detached fragments of their planet, and being convinced of this their slavery to circumstances utterly foreign to them, they would be unwilling to continue their existence and would on principle destroy themselves.”

ref.: https://gurdjieffclub.com/en/gurdjieff_the_moon__organic_life_by_richard_myers_809/

[AxisMundi]

"And so now we must look at an esoteric truth which touches on the very edge of what is permissible. What I have to say will be greatly disturbing for many people of modern times. It will disturb, because it is generally taken for granted that clairvoyancy, mediumship and spiritualistic activity are somehow linked with Spiritual development, and consequently of benefit to mankind. Unfortunately, this is far from the truth.

A vast amount of our modern so-called “Spiritualist” literature pertains to channelling and clairvoyancy which is far from beneficial for the development of mankind. Indeed, not to mince words, I should tell you that it is distinctly harmful.

I must now make a statement which will introduce you to a concept which was, until comparatively recently, one of the deepest secrets of the esoteric Schools: In some ways, THE MOON IS THE GREATEST PROBLEM OF ESOTERIC LORE. THE MOON IS NOT AT ALL WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE.

At the end of the last century an astounding revelation was made, as a result of dissent among members of secret Schools. Information, hitherto guarded jealously by the most enclosed of the inner Orders, was made public. The secrets disclosed pertained to a far deeper level of knowledge than has hitherto been made exoteric by the Schools — even in this enlightened age.’

Our purpose here is not to document how so deep an esoteric idea was made public — or even to assess whether it was wise for this idea to be brought out into the open. All this has been dealt with in the literature — and if any of you wish to follow this up, I will give you a few titles later.

In a nutshell, what was made public during this conflict in the Schools was the truth that our Moon is a sort of counterweight to another sphere, which remains invisible to ordinary vision. This counterweighted sphere is called in esoteric circles the Eighth Sphere.

We must be careful with these words, for, in spite of what I have just said, this region is not itself a sphere, nor is it a moon. Even to locate it behind the physical Moon is not correct, for in the Spiritual realm spaces and distances are different. The truth is that this Eighth Sphere does not pertain to anything we are familiar with on the physical plane, yet we must use words from our own vocabularies whenever we wish to denote its existence.

Were we to use a word which fits most appropriately this Sphere, then we should really call it a vacuum. Certainly, vacuum is a more appropriate term than sphere, for the Eighth Sphere sucks things into its own shadowy existence.

This Sphere is lower in the scale of being than the Seventh Sphere (which is the Earth). It acts as a sort of demonic conduit to suck into its maws certain degenerate Spiritual forms on the Earth. It is a shadow Sphere, controlled by shadow beings. However, the fact that they are shadow beings should not lead us to demote or underestimate their capabilities and intelligence. In many respects they are more intelligent than Man, for they are not limited by the power of love, as is Mankind.

The operation of this Eighth Sphere is complex. Its denizens — those shadowy beings for whom it is home — wish to people their Sphere with humanity, or (more accurately) with human souls. Towards this end, it has erected what we might call terminals on the Earth: these terminals are soul-conduits, which will suck into the lower Sphere a certain form of materialized Spiritual energy that is engendered on the Earth plane. The most usual circumstances where this materialization or engendering takes place is in seances, and in other localities wherein human beings attempt to meddle — against the cosmic law — with the lower Etheric planes. ”

– from “The Zelator” by Mark Hedsel

Quote taken from this extended article here by Bernhard Guenther:

https://veilofreality.com/2017/08/09/the-esoteric-significance-of-our-moon-and-the-matrix-control-system/

[Vicus]

Lets put by side folks lore and esoteric lore for a moment...

What say science about the Moon?

Because Science today as everything else is manipulated read next "facts" with a grain of salt...

_The Moon is "unique" in our solar system...nowhere else a satellite "produce" a total eclipse...
his "rotation " is just "perfect" to show always the same side...(like a clock...ergo:artificial)

_ Some Moon mission let fall his landing vehicular to see what happen...it rang like a bell 2 hours long...ergo:hollow

_Rocks from the Moon are wayyyy... older as the Earth...and not same composition,ergo:it was brought here.

_Conclusion: the theory that the Moon was part of Earth fall apart.

Off the records: Why nobody went back to the Moon (official)

NASA "scientist" say "we lost the technology" ???

When you watch old photos from NASA rooms, all that power you got today in your smart phone...

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9Q3Bg8S43k0qdszywjTNS-hYS6nEbVUJargdXOCEKt6u4p1IfT5yZzjQp8faYmXa5fIWBmD-zucfKpE8OhBIAcu_3vOr2o7OBGjv392JIaXD_XXjTQEi0Oo2zrLjQ1VCrtqynP3DFFbLP754ze_Yr1xuIKH2BkbqsNBxy6miOn3B fCLGNAN0oIQ/s600/october-space00003.jpg

go to this page: https://rense.com/

scroll dawn until the middle of your display and found this on the right side:

World Exclusive
John Lenard Walson Spaceships?
Whose? And Structures On The Moon

[gini]

Gurdjieff had a unique theory on the role of the moon and its influence on the life on earth ,this is a snippet from an article about that.;

GURDJIEFF, THE MOON & ORGANIC LIFE BY RICHARD MYERS
Everything living on the Earth, people, animals, plants, is food for the moon…. All movements, actions, and manifestations of people, animals, and plants depend upon the moon and are controlled by the moon…. The mechanical part of our life depends upon the moon, is subject to the moon. If we develop in ourselves consciousness and will, and subject our mechanical life and all our mechanical manifestations to them, we shall escape from the power of the moon.


—G. I. Gurdjieff
Food for the Moon



Within the polytheistic world there is a partial correlation with The Fourth Way’s teaching regarding man as a food for the moon. In the mythology and the teachings of several of these polytheistic religions is found the belief in the moon as the repository of the finer bodies of man. In Etruscan mythology, the moon or “Luna” is the underworld, where souls go to rest and the production of new souls begins. In Greek mythology, upon death the soul and psyche first go to the moon and then go to the underworld where there is a second death and a separation. The soul then goes to the moon and the psyche to the sun. The Bhagavad-Gita describes two paths souls travel after physical death; one is the path of the sun, also known as the bright path, and the other is the path of the moon, known as the dark path. Gurdjieff states that man is a food for the moon and these myths and beliefs to a degree correlate with his statement. Gurdjieff also states that, “We are like the moon’s sheep, which it cleans, feeds and sheers, and keeps for its own purposes.” Though pantheistic religions and mythology put man under the sway of the gods they do not equate man to the status of domesticated sheep. This degree of mechanical control by the moon over organic life on Earth and man in particular is probably unique to Fourth Way teaching. Gurdjieff’s statement also implies that the moon is somehow feeding man. There is indeed some basis in Hindu beliefs that man does, at least indirectly, receive something from the moon in the form of soma. Soma in Hindu mythology is an elixir of immortality that only the gods can drink; the moon is said to be the storehouse or cup of soma. Though soma is believed by some to be a plant-derived intoxicant or hallucinogen, this may be a distraction from its real meaning. A verse from the Bhagavad-Gita speaks to this: “Permeating throughout the planetary system I maintain all moving and stationary beings by my potency and having become the essence of the moon, I nourish all plant life.”



Certain yogis believe that soma is a life-giving fluid created from the finer bodies of man that is to be showered by the moon with her light that descends on vegetables to form vitamins; it is also present in the cerebrum and has an essential role in the reproductive process. “The astral body rises up to the moon, the sun or other heavenly stars…. All our noble and virtuous deeds, our prayers and oblations offered with faith project that astral fluid from our bodies to the higher regions. The moon being the nearest heavenly body and a satellite of the earth attracts the astral fluid thus projected up and converts it into soma which in turn falls on the electric atmosphere of the earth and showers with rains, it descends with rainwater and takes the form of sap in vegetables, and lastly takes the form of semen when vegetables are consumed as food.”



Thus apparently it is within the Hindu yogic tradition that the closest approximation of Fourth Way teaching is found regarding the mechanical relationship of reciprocal maintenance of organic life on Earth with the moon. Even here, though there is a correspondence, there is not a clear view of the extent of organic life’s interdependence with the moon. A search through the beliefs of religions and mythology of the Earth’s peoples in seeking direct correspondence with this part of Fourth Way teaching is striking in the lack of even a close correlation. That the external teachings and beliefs of the three main monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, have little in them that remotely resembles Fourth Way teaching is perhaps to be expected. The external trappings of all three of these great monotheistic religions were developed in a world saturated with pagan religions and were established in opposition to pagan beliefs. It is only within the polytheistic religions of the world that hints and similarities exist. The blunt clarity of Gurdjieff’s words is not to be demonstrably found within other teachings. https://gurdjieffclub.com/en/gurdjieff_the_moon__organic_life_by_richard_myers_809/

[Delight]

Over the last few decades since I first read David Icke in the 1990's, I have slowly been able to grasp that something does NOT want us to thrive, even survive. My horror has slowly increased to the point that I now am a bit despairing about our human condition. Some people say this "world" cannot be changed. WE can change in consciousness. BUT, what IF we can actually respond appropriately to save the "world" by realizing our adversary is nonhuman, maybe in our "physical" space by way of a consciousness hack. David Icke surely has been vindicated for his many years of being a lightning rod.

I am quite impressed to see this space coming up today. It is all about the nonhuman interference.

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[Delight]

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[Carlitos]

BUMP
Truly fascinating talk - woo deep.. up to our necks in it, that's what it takes...
Both gents in conversation connecting a lot of dots about control over our populations and our way out of it.

[arwen]

In all the first peoples' original folk law (oral history) - African, Native American, Australian Aboriginal, etc - ALL talk about a time when the moon was not here - the "before" time, and then when the moon was put here, how that changed everything. I grew up reading Credo Mutwa's "Indaba, My Children" - the first version - and it was all in there, so the idea has been with me for many years.

Also - a short personal anecdote - I had a vivid waking dream around 1978 - while sleeping - where I went out of my body and my consciousness traveled to the Moon. I saw a station, with transparent windows and rows of computer decks. I saw albino reptilian type beings, human like beings with blond hair and blue eyes, all wearing white lab coats, like doctors. I perceived their communications and they were holding up a strand of human hair.

The reptilian said "With this, we can find any one of them anywhere on the planet - all we need is the DNA". He/It proceeded to demonstrate - it put the stand of hair down on a scanner type machine, and the computer screens whizzed around the planet and zoomed in from space, closer and closer till you could see an Asian man's face.

I woke up after that but the dream was so vivid and lucid it stayed with me from that point on.

This subject thus greatly interests me, and I found Clif High's take to be intriguing and invaluable.

[Bo Atkinson]

Over the last few decades since I first read David Icke in the 1990's, I have slowly been able to grasp that something does NOT want us to thrive, even survive. My horror has slowly increased to the point that I now am a bit despairing about our human condition. Some people say this "world" cannot be changed. WE can change in consciousness. BUT, what IF we can actually respond appropriately to save the "world" by realizing our adversary is nonhuman, maybe in our "physical" space by way of a consciousness hack. David Icke surely has been vindicated for his many years of being a lightning rod.

I am quite impressed to see this space coming up today. It is all about the nonhuman interference.


Contention as confrontation between the will to hoard power vs the will to unity for all....

This involves the emotional world, also identified as the astral world, extends half way to the moon, (according to hylozoics), and emotional or astral matter is sometimes interpreted as physical matter leading to confused definitions.

I study spheres a lot. Take a ball or sphere outside into a large open space, but on a well-lit overcast day. There will be no shadow as Cliff showed, because Cliff used an indoor flood light of narrow projection, (introducing a "specular factor").

I love Gurdjieff’s Fourth Way and interpret his explanation as more of recycling system of lower bodies, not eating of higher bodies, as it is our highest body that temporarily inhabits lower bodies.

Forth Way Quote: "...everything that dies feeds the moon..."

Even today, many assume that the physical body is them.

Cliff pointed towards 2025... I see 2025 as good revolutionary discoveries.

Breakthroughs involving etheric matter will over rule some aspects of nuclear physics possibly affecting psychology as well because etheric-sensitive devices may reveal subtle bodies. (From hylozoics).

All good stuff for reversing corporatization as legalized humans.

I can only relate small bits studied in these subjects, and thank everyone for submitting their posts too.

Bo

[Hughe]

https://accultreverb.wordpress.com/2018/11/09/antediluvian-earth-saturn-ancient-sun/


Saturn is concurrently being rediscovered as being the ‘ancient sun’ of our Earth, under a totally redesigned template – proto-Saturn; the ambrosial sheath under which the Antediluvian Earth resided. It is postulated under the Electric Universe model that plasma – 99.5% ionized gas is crucially important in the composition of our universe – being the residual mass of planetary constitute – the yoke so to speak of the cosmic egg.

THIS WAS A MYTHOLOGY THAT THE BABYLONIANS SEEMED TO BELIEVE QUITE DEVOUTLY; THE BABYLONIANS NAMED SATURN ŠAMAŠ – MEANING SUN.
However according to Velikovsky’s World’s in Collision; in Middle Eastern Lore the Syrian people of Ugarit named the planet Venus, Anat the common anachronism being ‘You reverse the position of the dawn in the sky.’ This seems a reference to a possible polarity shift on Earth in the most primordial of paradigms, that caused Saturn’s radiant glow to diminish.

The common orthodoxy here is in legends of Saturn, the deranged God ate his own children. Is it possible then, that Venus inadvertently caused a polar shift on Earth anciently, after having been ‘eaten’? A polarity reversal could have thrust Earth on another course hurtling towards its present orbit – around Sol our sun of today.


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[Vicus]

What if?...

Just to play with all speculations... :juggle:

_If Saturn was at any given moment in our Ur History "the sun" (near to us as his now orbit)

_ at the same time NO Moon

_then in Saturn voyage to his actual orbit smashed the Ur planet called Marduk that today is the asteroid belt...

_ and then was the Moon "planted"

Then we got a time/frame for all Ur cataclysms /tales/"Mythology" causal for sinking continents like Lemuria,Atlantis, etc .

Just thinking LOUD ! :director:

[Lunesoleil]

François Brousse in his book on Astrosophy says that after death the negative souls will wander on the Moon and the positive souls, therefore spiritual, go directly to the Sun.

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