Prophesies versus NDE's

[delfine]

There's a thing that's been puzzling me lately... If the whole end times scenario, as it is pictured by various seers and saints, replete with tribulation periods, warnings of hell and eternal damnation for our sins, the day of judgement etc. is true, why are most NDE's showing a totally different reality, namely that God does not judge us, that we are met with unconditional love, and that there is no right or wrong, only experience?

I have great difficulty in reconciling these two perspectives, as they seem mutually exclusive. The end times concept, suggests that we have to listen carefully to the warnings given by all the different saints and seers, lest we end up in hell. That we risk incurring the wrath of God, and suffer in hell if we sin/make wrong choices.Some even talk about the risk of losing our soul for all eternity, if we make the wrong choices in these critical times...And then there are all the testimonies from near death experiencers, who only speak of deep unconditional love on the other side, no matter what we have or haven't done...

Both perspectives cannot be true at the same time, or can they?
I'll appreciate your views on the matter. 🙏🙏🙏

[Ernie Nemeth]

In my opinion, we are not judged by some outside source because we will accuse ourselves, and judge ourselves, and find ourselves guilty.

That is when we pass the test.

And then God forgives us for what never happened in reality. It is easy to forgive what never happened.

In that instant this illusion melts away and we will find ourselves in heaven, which we never left but deluded ourselves to believe we did.

[Matthew]

Well, let the opera begin. I'll start by throwing down John 16 11 "of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.". Justice is overrated although compelling. It's easy to confuse the ruler of this world with God but the two are very different. God's character has been hugely misrepresented.

[ExomatrixTV]

My 2 cents, as a Near Death Experiencer:

When you gain access to full awareness of all what you have done in the past, it does not have to be God that is judging >>> what you realize yourself, as it will be different from being alive in the "physical" realm ... This self-realization is so powerful & painful it has no need of "judging" as you ACCESS the pain/suffering that you have caused IF it is the case ... But only if you want to grow, heal and move forward ... But if you refuse to see it, you cut yourself off ... NOT because: "God did that" ... You did that to yourself, and face the consequences for bringing yourself further down the spiral of despair ... That is my insight of the "afterlife" as you will face your mirror 1000-fold, or you go much deeper in to misery.


The frequency of how you are now in the physical realm WILL echo in the afterlife, so all depends if you are willing to work on yourself or not. How you see yourself from a GENUINE perspective is KEY to know/comprehend what happens next!

If you can not forgive others because you can not forgive yourself or vice versa, it will be like carrying many bricks of stone with you everywhere you go ... the weight of that will not only slow you down, it will also prevent you to MOVE ON to the next level of your spiritual path. Like being trapped in a self-created feedback-loop.

Consciousness regaining access to a much wider sense of Awareness why things happened as they did and/or still do is a common theme in NDE Research.


I also sense that those who "move on" will not be affected by the bad choices others make here, right now! ... Everybody has their own unique spiritual journey!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Craig]

In my opinion, we are not judged by some outside source because we will accuse ourselves, and judge ourselves, and find ourselves guilty.

Reminds me of the Red Dwarf episode 'The Inquisitor' where you judge yourself, a good episode indeed

[shaberon]

The "End Times" is a copy of Zoroaster.


To simplify: he personally said he would return and lead to victory battling evil.

This may have been some thousand years prior to the Jews copying it in Babylon, subsequently re-branded by others.

I don't believe any of it. Not literally. If one allows Zoroaster a metaphorical grain of salt, then, he is simply talking about reincarnation and continuing the same struggle as we usually do.

Nevertheless, I would say there is right and wrong and that hell is very real.

It doesn't have a lot to do with proprietary use of universal truth, or the biggest and most important prophet or messiah or whatever, to which I would think spreading rumors is in the category "wrong". So for the most part, I would think that all that would backfire.

Only some NDE folks emphasize love. It may be more likely that "your final state of mind" is what will be reflected. Some people who are already clear or who are not afraid to admit and face their problems will naturally be closer to heaven than others.


Generally, yes, I would say the whole key to the thing is the simple fact that what has been artificially packaged and fed to the human race *is the diametric opposite of the natural truth of things*.

So they have long been manipulated over fear of death.

The underlying thesis of which is:


You are judged for eternity for one possibly quite brief lifetime.

I don't believe that at all. So much seems wrong with the ideas at play, it is hard to find anything right about it.

I would tend to say it is a really important subject.

There is a lot of death going on in Ukraine and Palestine largely thanks to End Times beliefs. No it wouldn't seem like many of those victims are all good dogs who go to heaven. I think it is much, much worse, because how are those in this newfound state of death going to affect the living.

Mass hauntings by nationalistic fiends.

With hell running around like a vacuum cleaner.

My suggestion is that the strange beliefs are just the use of words. It's not an attempt to speak of experience, it is the attempt to be the one speaking.


In actuality if one is going to be basically helpless since as John said "echo". What if you could get this to work for you instead of against you.

So, yes, mutually exclusive argument against narrowminded doctrines concerning the afterlife. It appears to me that false ideas in from old times --> new battles and perhaps genocides now. Same argument.

[pueblo]

My 2 cents.

Everything is Energy, Frequency and Vibration. If your Energy, Frequency and Vibration is matched with your lower nature (ie. purely materialistic) then on death, your Spirit is unable to move on to a place where the Energy, Frequency and Vibration does not match with what you are.

Think of it as a radio signal, to receive the signal you need to 'tune' into the correct frequency, it is the same with your Spirit.

Whether this place is a soul trap or a soul school there is nothing to worry about, everyone gets home eventually. There is only 'ONE' and we are that One. The One in many and the many in One.

The fact that you are questioning this, OP, means you are well on the road. Focus on aligning your Energy, Frequency and Vibration with the highest good, which is what you are and where you have come from. Come to remember who and what you are by searching inside, that is where truth is to be found. Know thyself.

Everything and everyone is Loved and will be taken care of. Judgement is not about what you have or have not done, only about the qualitative state of your Energy, Frequency and Vibration, remember that like attracts like. You cannot put a square peg in a round hole. Work on becoming the round peg and all will be well, but do not worry, even the squarest of pegs will eventually end up getting the corners knocked off them so they can fit!!

[ian33]

the judgement story is the essential god fearing control factor for this life......comply...
prophecies are control plans in advance, to impress when manipulated to happen

[ExomatrixTV]

the judgement story is the essential god fearing control factor for this life......comply...
prophecies are control plans in advance, to impress when manipulated to happen

From my own NDE research & experience (perspective): When you die, the "god fearing" aspect is like a self-inflicted feedback loop as ANYTHING that is fear-based will be mirrored back to/at you ... Without fear, you can access much deeper meaningful insights about your past deeds you are confronted with (by yourself) it goes much faster accompanied by "re-living" the suffering of others you have affected ... This is NOT done "by another force" nor "God" nor the need of fearing God ... but your own "higher self" showing you things, you need to be aware of TO MOVE ON to the next level of your spiritual journey. Depending on how you face your own "demons" (metaphorical speaking) ... FEAR is NOT helping anyone, it only magnifies the terror of feeling an "eternal victim" or "feeling incompetent" to cope/deal with certain highly emotional issues ... How you see yourself is KEY ... If you lie to yourself and hold on to that false perception of yourself <<< THAT is like living in a self-created (eternal) trap! ... You only punish yourself ... That is why you have always the chance to REALLY see who you are and fully understand your history of many lives you had on Earth ...


All is based upon your willingness to change from within not forced by any "God" ... The only punisher is your own unwillingness to look at the real you IF that is the case ... Meanwhile, others may already past that stage and have moved on to the next level of their spiritual journeys.
Having no fear of death is also important to understand that you are not that easy to manipulate by "belief systems" especially imposing ones. You take much more responsibility for your own quality of thinking/judging, not relying on others doing the (often fear-based) thinking for you.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[delfine]

Thanks everybody for your perspectives, and thorough replies.
Much appreciated :thumbsup:

[amor]

Dear Mathew: Presuming the ruler of this world to be Satan, or his best friend, then God must be either in an argument with him or using him as a training pawn in our lives. Then, at the end of the day, he can say to us, "Now you understand why you do this and not that"

[Ernie Nemeth]

God does not use illusion to 'train'. God uses truth. God cannot enter an illusion, being the epitome of reality itself.

Instead God sent us an emissary, The Holy Spirit.


An illusion is actually a question, the poser of which is unsure of reality. Being unsure causes confusion. Confusion leads to inconsistent thought patterns. Inconsistency leads to illusion. The resulting illusion is the unanswered question caused by confusion.

God gave Creation the answer in the form of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit uses miracles to shorten the time interval to our salvation. Miracles are natural, in this sense: they correct the error of perception. All miracles are equal in difficulty because all perception is false. Perception is based not on reality but on the extent to which an individual is aware of the truth about themselves.


As for 'Satan'. The ruler of illusion is a tormentor. The only way 'Satan' can rule is if we remain immersed in illusion. That is the entire agenda of any perceived evil: to keep us immersed in illusion. It is easy to do to the deluded who have forsaken their birthright, which is everything, and placed an idol on their inner alter, which is nothing.
We cannot have two teachers, who teach diametrically opposed lessens. That can only lead to confusion and no progress can possibly be made in either curriculum. That is how this world continues to exist. We are stuck between the choice of two teachers. Since we vacillate between the two, we actually never make a lasting choice.
Without a solid commitment to one teacher, the world will continue to reflect that fact back to us in the form of a world in chaos and full of hate.


This would be obvious to any who are sane. We are not sane.


edit: What is the answer?
THE ILLUSION NEVER HAPPENED.
So rejoice! You cannot be held liable for something that never happened in truth.
We are all innocent of all charges - by 'Satan' or by ourselves.

God doesn't judge what never happened.

[Matthew]

Dear Mathew: Presuming the ruler of this world to be Satan, or his best friend, then God must be either in an argument with him or using him as a training pawn in our lives. Then, at the end of the day, he can say to us, "Now you understand why you do this and not that"

Hi! Thanks for this. I will admit I'm not sure that I take that point of view. God is significantly more merciful and understanding than you touch something hot and you get burned. There is a war in Heaven and we are invited to pick a side. God keeps his promises and freedom is a sacred gift that's easy to take for granted. It applies to all of creation, including angles. Angels are free to rebel and have sex with us, against God's will. The self-sacrifice of Jesus happened to set us free, although without believing in Jesus I can see why we might think what's happening is what God wants. That is my outlook anyway. :heart:

[Ernie Nemeth]

Jesus spent 40 days in the dessert, alone. He fought his own demons there. He conquered his own mistaken thoughts - and made a resolute choice of Teacher.

From that point forward Jesus steadfastly followed the choice he had made.

Being a man, he had one last moment of weakness in the garden, where he finally stated: "Thy will be done."


As all sages must do and have done.

[Matthew]

...
As all sages must do and have done.

Stating the obvious we disagree about Jesus' sovereignty. Like, he is a bit more than a sage to me.

[truthsayer]

My understanding is EVERYTHING has been corrupted by the forces of darkness which are present in our reality in the form of dark spirits and physical ETs corupted by these fallen spirits long ago , they control the illuminati . So the medical system is corrupted to sell us overprices drugs which just supress symptoms, and slow kill . The "education" system , the legal system all of it misfunctions . Any group which starts up from the freemasons to the green movement will soon be subverted .
So of course the religions have been a prime target .. Many religious followers want to believe unquestioningly the bible or koran is the "Word of God" . It's the corrupted word of God ... Any talk of a vengful jelouse God is a lie , judgment and hell is a lie ... God is LOVE that's how you discern the truth ... Behedings done in the name of Islam are a corruption, riligiouse wars are a corruption.

I believe these are the END TIMES , that's to say the times when the evil ETs who control our society plan to end us. But this is just a plan, we can prevent it if enough people turn to God and Pray he sends healing to these creatures , so they depart in peace.

[ExomatrixTV]

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[Lunesoleil]

Fear is the number 1 enemy to defeat, our thoughts determine our beliefs, what happens to us we imagined, life is the film that unfolds before our eyes. Let's change our thoughts, if we want to live another future...

[delfine]

Fear is the number 1 enemy to defeat, our thoughts determine our beliefs, what happens to us we imagined, life is the film that unfolds before our eyes. Let's change our thoughts, if we want to live another future...

Sorry, I don't think it's enough to not have any fear, and change your thoughts (if that is even possible. The more you try to think in a certain way, the more the unwanted thoughts tend to persist). If somebody is trying to warn you, that you're heading towards disaster, it is not enough to just keep going in the same direction, while thinking happy thoughts. Of course it's not productive, to be overly worried or fearful, but we have to be aware of the dangers that are lurking in order to avoid them. Many trusting, blissfully ignorant people have had and will have a painful awakening.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thoughts spiral outward, propelled by the underlying premise of either love or fear, creating perceptions in line with the base condition to reenforce the causal thought: the act of perception is not passive.