Nibiru: What Sitchin did not tell us

[Jim_Duyer]

This will be somewhat short, at least for me, but definitely deserving a mention, in my opinion.

Well, Sitchin was somewhat on the right track, but his lack of understanding of the Sumerian language caused him to make associations in the cuneiform tablets that any good Sumeriologist will tell you simply do not exist. Nibiru, for example is not a planet, not a returning comet or star, but rather Nibiru is a person, or the closest thing to a human-like being that a demi-god can get.

To be fair, Sitchin always explained that, as a Jew, he was a semitic scholar, a translator of the semitic language known as Akkadian. And Sumerian is quite different - in fact it's not a semitic language at all. His publishers probably mentioned that he translated Sumerian because not as many people recognize the word Akkadian, or what it entails.

The major Semitic languages are Arabic, Amharic (spoken in Ethiopia), Tigrinya (spoken in Ethiopia and Eritrea), Hebrew, Tigre (spoken in Sudan), Aramaic (spoken in Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Iraq and Iran) and Maltese.And the earliest attested semitic language being the East Semitic Akkadian of Mesopotamia (Akkad, Assyria, Isin, Larsa and Babylonia) from the third millennium BC (2350 BC or so, to be more accurate). Thus it is hardly possible for a language that arose with Sargon the Great around 2350 BC could be used to decipher Sumerian, which is some three or more thousand years older and not related to a semitic language in any way.

Our beloved, traditional scholars are quick to tell us that Nibiru or Nibru means a crossing or way-point, a ford, a port or wharf, or something similar. But they are being disingenuous as usual (not telling us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth) and in this example they are very close to being actual liars, since they know better and are using this definition to push some agenda on us.

I can put an end to the definition that has been "sold" to us in regards to Nibiru in this short post, once and for all. I can show you that it does not indicate a planet that is returning, but rather the inhabitants and of planet that will be returning. And I can show you that it specifically indicates one specific personage who will be returning, and that this will be a part of the false-flag operation that the powers that be will be pushing when the time is optimal (my research tells me April, 2030).

Almost done, follow me through one bit of evidence to the truth.

Here is the page that defines Nibiru, or Nibru, as it is given. It shows us how that word was written, for various periods of human history, and the associations that go along with it.

https://paleoaliens.com/NIBRU.png

All of these pages are found on the University of Pennsylvania Sumerian project website, or the ETCSL project at the Faculty of Oriental Studies, University of Oxford. All can be easily confirmed by those interested. Nothing is brought forth through conjuring or telepathic motions (Sitchin's reply when asked where he came up with definitions that simply do not exist in the archaeological records he admitted that he "saw" them in his mind).

One of the lexical associations listed with the word is :
Lexical Associations Marduk[1]DN (// Neberu[1])

But even that is Akkadian or Babylonian centered, since Marduk was not a Sumerian god.
But do note that the d in front of the image of the definition below indicates "dingir" or "god", in this case "sky-god".

I have placed, on the first row, the numbers 1,2,3. This is to show you how the word Neberu, or Nibru, or Nibru was written (the scholars throw out slightly different transliterations to confuse others and throw them off the track - but it is made up of the same symbols, no matter how they "guess" it was pronounced by English tongues).

The first symbol, near the one is EN. This means "lord, master, ruler" but most especially it means god, as in sky-god. It's the first part of EN-Ki and EN-Lil, for example.
The second symbol is Lil, or Lil2 to be exact (the second form of lil). It is traditionally defined as storm, or sky or ghost, but also as fool, jester, and as I have mentioned previously, a shape-shifter. This idea of a jester as a shape-shifter was also held by our Anglo-Saxon ancestors during the early middle ages, and by the Norse group of Odin followers as well.
The third symbol is Ki, which means place, country, land, earth, etc.

On the bottom row, the first symbol is a d for deiger, meaning "sky-god". Which really seals the deal since the Sumerians did not think of planets as gods, but rather the inhabitants of said planets or the origins of their sky-gods were on several, specific planets. I included this bottom row for two reasons - to show the sky-god association, which indicates it was a demi-god and not a crossing, ford, or wharf, and to show that the dates associated with this way of writing it are around the period when Abraham was active as a scribe and writer of Sumerian cuneiform near the 2000 BC period of Babylonia.

So Nibiru is, very simply, The Earth (the place or planet of origin) of Enlil, the famous sky-god
of Sumerian and Babylonian myths who later became known as Marduk, and later still as Bel, Bel-Marduk, Beelzebub, etc. Yes, the Lord of the Flies, Satan himself, to the Christians. For those interested, this is located very close to Sirius, and its exact location I will publish shortly.

If you look up our adopted symbol for the Radiation hazard, this is exactly the same symbol used by the Sumerians - a set of three triangles - and this represents the word Kur in Sumerian, which was the mountain home of the sky-gods on Earth, Enlil's place, as well as being a representation of the three stars that make up Sirius (A, B, and a smaller brown dwarf), which is the place of origin of the Enlil-Satan-Marduk-Baal evil types. And yes, our scientists tell us that we cannot "see" nor "find" three stars in Sirius, unless, that is, you count the smaller red dwarf star. But the Dogon people knew this long ago, as did the Sumerians.

Nibiru is his place of origin, but when Sitchin speaks of Nibiru returning he is really speaking of Enlil coming back to do his nasty deeds on our own fair planet once more.

I hope this helps to clear up Nibiru, once and for all. I have found that currently there are two groups of followers - those of Sitchin and his "channeled" results, and those of the traditional scholars, who have never shown you the whole truth, as indicated above. But since it has been proven that Sitchin had a great many associates within the NSA (National Security Agency or code breakers of the USA), perhaps there is just one group after all.

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Jim. I have appreciated especially the first part of your essay. But your opinion on one point is not clear to me: is the word "nibiru" Semitic (Akkadian), or is it Sumerian?

[Mark]

Interesting and particularly clarifying. Two questions: the coming false flag will be Marduk's return? As in, this entity is not really returning, or, perhaps, is non-existent?

[The Moss Trooper]

Thanks Jim,

a very thought provoking post.


Mark wrote:


Two questions: the coming false flag will be Marduk's return? As in, this entity is not really returning, or, perhaps, is non-existent?
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Maybe the effects that precede Marduk's arrival, like the waterline dropping excessively before a tsunami reaches the shoreline, maybe the nature of Marduk's arrival itself could be massively damaging in ways we are not aware of......... Bare in mind, these mention nothing of Marduk himself, his form, his intentions or why he has indeed, come back.

Not long, in the scheme of things, to wait.

[Jim_Duyer]

Thanks for your comment. Nibru is the Sumerian, original way of writing this. After the Akkadians conquered Sumeria, they relied on Hittite and Hurrian scribes to translate the tablets of knowledge that they had won as spoils. The Akkadians then changed it to neberu, with a few alternate spellings. Job, for example (biblical) was part Hittite, and he wrote in Sumerian, as did Abraham, who was half Amorite and half Hurrian. The original meaning relating to ENLIL was Sumerian.

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Thanks for commenting. The false flag will probably be run as the Anti-Christ, with an association to Satan, but the actual returner was known by many names through history, the first was Enlil, then Marduk, then Baal or Bel, then perhaps Yah. We have relations of these same groups living among us now. We generally call them Sir. Or Mam.

[Jim_Duyer]

Thanks for commenting, The Moss Trooper. But yes, we do have descriptions. I just haven't published them yet, but the tablets tell us what Enlil's group (which includes Inanna and Utu and the moon god), were described as having scaly, rough, or perhaps something like sun-damaged or bark-like skin on their arms and face. But otherwise they were identical to us in appearance, except for the fact that Enlil is mentioned more than once as being fairly short.
That's the big lie that the powers that be have been selling us for two hundred years - that they look like green, bug-eyed monsters. Bug-eyed from wearing goggles, sure, but not green. The idea of "reptilians" comes from this scaly skin as well - think of lizards or snakes - that's another name for them in the Sumerian texts, but it does not mean actual Reptilians, just a reference to their scaly skin condition - probably due to their origin around a red giant star.
Ochre, or red clay, was smeared on primitive people, and used in ceremonies, because it contains natural amounts of magnesium - which is harmful to Enlil when used properly.

The sons of Aaron burned "strange incense" which included magnesium, to make a sparkly effect in the temple, and then Yahweh burned them down to ashes for it.

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Once the temple of Bel in Syria was destroyed by ISIS, not very long ago, the countdown began - just one generation, which, if you measure the lengths from David down, averages out to 44 years. So 2030. That's all in the New Testament by the way, along with two other clues that point to the same date. The Anti-Christ will have only one good eye, is another clue to his appearance, again if you follow the Bible.

[norman]

I've recently been hearing about Nibiru not being as Sitchin said.

Sitchin was a member of the 'brotherhood' so it's highly likely that his narrative was/is a decoy to take our minds away from accurately understanding an important occulted fact of nature and ancient/timeless advanced technological knowledge that manipulates nature in a way that would completely transform our understanding of the world we live in.

If there was any truth in Sitchin's story it might have been the part about the cycle of time by which a special phenomenon comes around. Probably some kind of alignment of the solar system or the galaxy that facilitates an effectively natural version of what adepts in the occult otherwise have to do extreme things to enable.

Think, Portals.

Pushing an idea that there is "something out there" that is a threat, planet, aliens etc, has the exact opposite effect on the real threat which is what 'Mad Scientist' are to humanity.

"Hey, don't look here, look over there" and give us the funding and support to build bigger and nastier technological weapons to face that threat 'over there', when, in fact, it's a race to build a certain kind of technological capability that is the real threat to humanity. It's not a pending external threat, 'the serpent is already in the garden' working away at destroying or hijacking us with our permission because we believe the serpent's lie.

Replace the word 'Serpent' with whatever word you like best, but that's how it works.

[Inversion]

This claims Nibiru is a ship.

Meiberau- This is a Sirian ship mentioned in Radu Cinamar’s book “Forgotten Genesis.” It later became known as Nibiru. It’s referenced on page 139 in the cliff notes in “The Etheric Crystal: The Third Tunnel.”

The Moon- According to Radu Cinamar’s book (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72970-The-Bucegi-Mountain-Romania&p=1388688&viewfull=1#post1388688) “The Etheric Crystal: The Third Tunnel.” The moon is an ancient Sirian flagship placed in orbit around Earth to attract the dust cloud around our planet allowing more sun light to reach the surface. It was placed around the time Maldek/Tiamat exploded 65-70 million years ago. When Radu tried to view the destruction, the holographic viewer provided by a man from Apellos it was blurred by some higher consciousness. The power source was a blue-white star in the center of the ship.

link (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119073-Michael-Salla-Material&p=1526616&viewfull=1#post1526616)

46:05. Some 432,000 years ago the Sirians arrived on their ship Nibiru.

[Jim_Duyer]

I've recently been hearing about Nibiru not being as Sitchin said.

Sitchin was a member of the 'brotherhood' so it's highly likely that his narrative was/is a decoy to take our minds away from accurately understanding an important occulted fact of nature and ancient/timeless advanced technological knowledge that manipulates nature in a way that would completely transform our understanding of the world we live in.

If there was any truth in Sitchin's story it might have been the part about the cycle of time by which a special phenomenon comes around. Probably some kind of alignment of the solar system or the galaxy that facilitates an effectively natural version of what adepts in the occult otherwise have to do extreme things to enable.

Think, Portals.

Pushing an idea that there is "something out there" that is a threat, planet, aliens etc, has the exact opposite effect on the real threat which is what 'Mad Scientist' are to humanity.

"Hey, don't look here, look over there" and give us the funding and support to build bigger and nastier technological weapons to face that threat 'over there', when, in fact, it's a race to build a certain kind of technological capability that is the real threat to humanity. It's not a pending external threat, 'the serpent is already in the garden' working away at destroying or hijacking us with our permission because we believe the serpent's lie.

Replace the word 'Serpent' with whatever word you like best, but that's how it works.

Well said, and an interesting slant on the usual idea - I agree that they are playing a magicians trick with us.

[Jim_Duyer]

This claims Nibiru is a ship.

Meiberau- This is a Sirian ship mentioned in Radu Cinamar’s book “Forgotten Genesis.” It later became known as Nibiru. It’s referenced on page 139 in the cliff notes in “The Etheric Crystal: The Third Tunnel.”

The Moon- According to Radu Cinamar’s book (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72970-The-Bucegi-Mountain-Romania&p=1388688&viewfull=1#post1388688) “The Etheric Crystal: The Third Tunnel.” The moon is an ancient Sirian flagship placed in orbit around Earth to attract the dust cloud around our planet allowing more sun light to reach the surface. It was placed around the time Maldek/Tiamat exploded 65-70 million years ago. When Radu tried to view the destruction, the holographic viewer provided by a man from Apellos it was blurred by some higher consciousness. The power source was a blue-white star in the center of the ship.

link (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119073-Michael-Salla-Material&p=1526616&viewfull=1#post1526616)

46:05. Some 432,000 years ago the Sirians arrived on their ship Nibiru.

Well, it seems as if he has a few points that I have found as well, although he puts them together differently.
I agree that it is a ship, heading towards us, but I believe the name itself describes the occupant of that craft,
some form of Enlil reincarnation.

My research tells me it was 468,000 years ago that one group entered - no mention of any connection with Enlil or Marduk, so perhaps an even earlier group. And the latest tablet translations say that they took many of the Neanderthal back with them and replaced them with the groups of people that we now call humans. Not created by them, not test-tubed as babies, but rather human-like beings from six or seven planets between the star systems of Cygnus and Vega. I have nearly exact coordinates to share later, plus evidence that this is correct.
We were supposed to (the six of seven variations) stick together, blend and form into one new group of humanity, but greed and possibly some treachery on the part of those tasked with our delivery and some basic training made themselves into gods and goddesses and screwed it all up. Imagine if mankind was truly one blend of all peoples? Speaking and writing in one language? How could we have wars then? You can't truly hate someone that you truly understand, is my opinion.

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I should mention that the ideas above are from not only the translated Sumerian tablets but they find complete agreement in my translation of the Old Testament using my template that provides the true, hidden meanings carefully crafted inside of the traditional meanings. In other words, the text of the Bible as it stands needs no correction - the interior meanings are additional and not replacement phrases. But they agree with the Sumerians in their reports of humans, and especially women and children, being taken back to the home planets as slaves for the stars.

[s7e6e]

So Nibiru is, very simply, The Earth (the place or planet of origin) of Enlil, the famous sky-god.

Sirius, which is the place of origin of the Enlil-Satan-Marduk-Baal evil types.



Very interesting but a bit confusing.

[Bill Ryan]

Two posts of mine which seem relevant. @Jim, this thread might be interesting to you:


Cuneiform Sumerian translations (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110197-Cuneiform-Sumerian-translations)

My first post below is from that thread: (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110197-Cuneiform-Sumerian-translations&p=1339122&viewfull=1#post1339122)



I'm familiar with Zecharia Sitchin but Im not sure his work can be trusted. See Bill Ryan's comments here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1262594&viewfull=1#post1262594).Right, Sitchin's work can't be trusted. I heard personally from Jordan Maxwell, who knew Sitchin well, that he often sought 'telepathic guidance' when he was unsure how to translate something.

That was how come Sitchin drove Sumerian academic Michael Heiser crazy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_S._Heiser#Criticism_of_ancient_astronaut_theories), because Heiser was right.... the translations Sitchin came up with weren't always direct translations: they were often Sitchin's interpretations and assumptions, seemingly guided by non-physical contact with something.

And also this (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101369-Nibiru-s-return....&p=1202407&viewfull=1#post1202407), from a thread called Nibiru's return (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101369-Nibiru-s-return....):


No way have the Anunnaki been hanging around on some icy planetoid way out near the orbit of Pluto (or beyond!) waiting patiently for it to gradually get closer. Sitchin was way off base on that.

The Anunnaki, who are an ancient race, have advanced spacefaring technology already, and can get here any time they like — and may well be here now. We have no idea what star system they may be from.

See this thread:


The Anunnaki (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20331-The-Anunnaki)

[Little Ishta]

This is an interesting topic and one I've been trying to figure out what actually does Nibiru mean. Back in 2012-2013 I remembered having a dream about the Anunnaki and what a crazy dream. I actually woke up hearing the words 'the truth is in the stone, the stone of Nibiru'. That confused me. But it really got me thinking.. is there a possibility that Nibiru actually means a place here on earth, a tablet of scriptures or even a person? I'm still working on these ideas 😂 I also think the Anunnaki are our Ancestors.. maybe, just maybe they'll be returning one day. And they will not be pleased with what is happening here on earth.

[TrumanCash]

I have no personal knowledge whether Sitchin correctly translated Sumerian tablets and artifacts. However, I found his translations of Egyptian writings were correct, at least in two cases. I stumbled onto this when conducting past life research into the abduction phenomenon.

I found that abductees are sometimes followed from lifetime to lifetime and sometimes placed in high-level positions in government, military, secret societies and religions. Because of this phenomenon one can directly view the real, hidden history of this planet.

In my case I recovered two past life experiences in Egypt that I later discovered Sitchin had previously and correctly translated what really happened. So Sitchin's translations ended up confirming my past life experiences, bearing in mind that I never studied or knew anything about Egyptian "gods" or Egyptian history. I even remembered exact dates and other data that I later confirmed with other books, encyclopedias, etc, in a large library in Spokane, Washington.

Also, Sitchin was not an ET contact researcher so he came to some conclusions that were not in alignment with actual abduction/contact experiences. Uncovering past life experiences of abductees with what are now generally referred as to the "Annunaki" reveals a pattern of a group ETs traveling through space and time posing as "gods", wearing masks, headdresses and costumes and demanding to be worshipped and obeyed.

I first found this out by working with an abductee who was abducted by this group of ETs in 1643 near the Greece/Turkey border and they made him a prophet of a new religious sect and secret society. This is detailed in the chapter entitled "Akarat's Abduction" in both of my free books (links below).

I later learned that I also had numerous contacts with these ETs who masquerade as "gods" and they are the great deceivers who have programmed this planet with conflicting religions and insidious secret societies to create chaos and endless wars on this planet.

I initially referred to these ETs as "Serpent Staff Pleiadians" because when I uncovered this data I had never heard the word "Anunnaki". I used that term due to the symbols they used all around the planet through untold millennia.

Anyone can easily research these symbols as they are always related to Sun God worship. These symbols include the Rising Sun vs Setting Sun, Light vs Darkness (dialectic symbolism), All-Seeing Eye (flying saucer), winged disk, various crosses, swastikas, winged poisonous snakes/serpents (cobras, rattlesnakes), dragons, one or two deadly snakes on a staff, various stars, circle with a point in the middle, sun rays (as in the Statue of Liberty), skull & crossbones, Masonic and other secret society symbols, etc, etc.

I prefer not to call them "Anunnaki" but rather "Ilu" or "Illu", which is obviously the first symbol of Illuminati, Illumination, Illusion and lumens (referring to Light symbolism including Lucifer, the Light Bringer heralding the Rising Sun and darkness as in Satta, Satan, Seth, Set or Setting Sun)

Although my information was recovered via past life experiences, more and more researchers these days are connecting these dots in other ways, such as in the video below. Apparently, Erich von Daniken started these interpretations via symbols, Sitchin and others expanded the data base for this phenomenon, and I was able to confirm some of their conclusions with past life research (which, of course, is very debunkable due to the manipulation by the Illu.

So what I am saying is that this can also be tracked down through this symbolism which is a language of its own. Each symbol has multiple meanings. However, I do not think that these symbols can be fully understood unless one engages extensive past life work with abductees, Earth's history has been occluded via lies and deception by the Illu themselves. Therefore, we cannot fully trust these ancient writings because they are what the Illu have told humans, which are mostly lies, IMO.

I would like to emphasize that one cannot automatically assume that these ETs masquerading as "gods" are telling stories that are true. In most cases it is a mixture of both fact and fiction, IMO.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAotPHquMdo

[mountain_jim]

Thanks to all for the creation and substantive contributions to this thread.

This is all quite interesting and thought provoking, and outside of any direct experience or knowledge that I am conscious of.

[jaybee]

post snipped see #14 above...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAotPHquMdo

thanks I enjoyed that interview with Mike Bara....

and the shocker quote from the transcript, that is smack bang on topic...


28:41.... fascinating to me was that if you look at sitchin's book The Lost book
of enki he calls it historical fiction but I don't know - I'm sure you know Jordan Maxwell or knew of Jordan before he passed away the late Jordan Maxwell - but Jordan told me one time - he said Mike... Sitchin told me that that book is is not channeled and it's not fiction he said that Sitchin told him that enki is still alive and dictated it to him that it's basically like Interview with a Vampire only it's interview with an anunnaki...

:jaw:


and another jaw dropping quote from the interview...Bob is Bob Dean...


31:07....Bob believed that there was a very specific officer in the US space command who was in fact Enki


I realize that what Mike Bara says is against the general thrust of this thread...but...?

the whole section that begins around 26 mins helps to put the above two quotes more in context... I have never heard those things stated before...

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edit to add the description of the video with Salla and Mike Bara...


12 Oct 2023
Ancient aliens visited Earth many millennia ago and genetically modified primitive hominids, according to former aeronautical engineer Mike Bara. In his first interview on Exopolitics Today, Bara discusses how he became interested in the UFO issue and ancient aliens due to his collaboration with veteran researcher Richard Hoagland in the 1990s, which culminated in their jointly authored 2007 book, Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA.

In their book, Hoagland and Bara expose the three main groups running NASA from behind the scenes: Magicians, Freemasons, and Nazis. Bara and Dr. Michael Salla discuss the respective influence of these groups on NASA and how NASA is a front for a secret space program using far more advanced aerospace technologies than rockets. Bara and Dr. Salla next discuss the President Kennedy assassination and how it arose from JFK’s desire to share UFO secrets with the Soviet Union in an effort to shake them loose from CIA control. Finally, Bara expresses his views on David Grusch and what lies ahead with the UAP Disclosure Act for 2023. While he believes UFO disclosure over the next six months to a year is going to be a muddled affair, Bara is optimistic that transformative changes are about to hit our planet.


Going back to the quotes I lifted from the video about Enki being alive...I have always suspected that the Masons or similar type group either have the Ark of the Covenant or have made an exact functioning replica.... so I'm speculating that if it's too hard to swallow that Enki could still be around in flesh and blood form...perhaps he can appear in a kind of holographic form in a direct live transmission using the Ark - appearing in-between the cherubim in the Old Testament way...

or using another way to transmit - - - in the Book of Enki at the beginning - he appears in light form to dictate the book to the scribe...

[Bill Ryan]

I'm sure you know Jordan Maxwell or knew of Jordan before he passed away the late Jordan Maxwell - but Jordan told me one time - he said Mike... Sitchin told me that that book is is not channeled and it's not fiction he said that Sitchin told him that enki is still alive and dictated it to him that it's basically like Interview with a Vampire only it's interview with an anunnaki... Yes, Jordan Maxwell told me something very similar back in 2010. (He'd known Sitchin very well as a close friend.)

Mike Bara goes a little further here, but Jordan was adamant with me that Sitchin took huge 'inspirational' liberties with his translation, seeking some kind of 'channeled' input or clarification when he came across something that was ambiguous or unclear — which of course was fairly often.

In short, Sitchin just wasn't any kind of true scholar at all. That's why (as in my post quoted above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122198-Nibiru-What-Sitchin-did-not-tell-us&p=1585644&viewfull=1#post1585644)) Michael Heiser became so exasperated when he failed to verify Sitchin's translations. Quite a lot of what he wrote wasn't really 'translated' at all... it was often far more of a creative, channel-inspired, speculative, interpretation.

[jaybee]

I'm sure you know Jordan Maxwell or knew of Jordan before he passed away the late Jordan Maxwell - but Jordan told me one time - he said Mike... Sitchin told me that that book is is not channeled and it's not fiction he said that Sitchin told him that enki is still alive and dictated it to him that it's basically like Interview with a Vampire only it's interview with an anunnaki... Yes, Jordan Maxwell told me something very similar back in 2010. (He'd known Sitchin very well as a close friend.)

Mike Bara goes a little further here, but Jordan was adamant with me that Sitchin took huge 'inspirational' liberties with his translation, seeking some kind of 'channeled' input or clarification when he came across something that was ambiguous or unclear — which of course was fairly often.

In short, Sitchin just wasn't any kind of true scholar at all. That's why (as in my post quoted above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122198-Nibiru-What-Sitchin-did-not-tell-us&p=1585644&viewfull=1#post1585644)) Michael Heiser became so exasperated when he failed to verify Sitchin's translations. Quite a lot of what he wrote wasn't really 'translated' at all... it was often far more of a creative, channel-inspired, speculative, interpretation.


I just added a bit of speculation at the end of my post above - which may or may not be relevant... :)... but either way it's kind of fun to think about the possibility...and could THAT be considered a somewhat direct 'live stream' method of channelling -

If Sitchin didn't translate the Sumerian Tablets in a traditionally scholarly way ...perhaps he was 'chosen' to bring the general story to us Earthlings....

By some group or someone...

??

[Arcturian108]

I'm sure you know Jordan Maxwell or knew of Jordan before he passed away the late Jordan Maxwell - but Jordan told me one time - he said Mike... Sitchin told me that that book is is not channeled and it's not fiction he said that Sitchin told him that enki is still alive and dictated it to him that it's basically like Interview with a Vampire only it's interview with an anunnaki... Yes, Jordan Maxwell told me something very similar back in 2010. (He'd known Sitchin very well as a close friend.)

Mike Bara goes a little further here, but Jordan was adamant with me that Sitchin took huge 'inspirational' liberties with his translation, seeking some kind of 'channeled' input or clarification when he came across something that was ambiguous or unclear — which of course was fairly often.

In short, Sitchin just wasn't any kind of true scholar at all. That's why (as in my post quoted above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122198-Nibiru-What-Sitchin-did-not-tell-us&p=1585644&viewfull=1#post1585644)) Michael Heiser became so exasperated when he failed to verify Sitchin's translations. Quite a lot of what he wrote wasn't really 'translated' at all... it was often far more of a creative, channel-inspired, speculative, interpretation.


I just added a bit of speculation at the end of my post above - which may or may not be relevant... :)... but either way it's kind of fun to think about the possibility...and could THAT be considered a somewhat direct 'live stream' method of channelling -

If Sitchin didn't translate the Sumerian Tablets in a traditionally scholarly way ...perhaps he was 'chosen' to bring the general story to us Earthlings....

By some group or someone...

??

Enki being still alive dovetails with Kimberly Goguen's background story that she was inheriting her powers from Marduk who was still alive in her lifetime. Marduk and Enki could be one and the same individual! Some parts of Kimberly's story ring true to me, and her comprehension of world trends and politics is just amazing to me. Being psychic I would be able to pick out which parts were true of Sitchin's work, but it would take forever, and may not be useful. But if somebody were to point out a particular relevant short chapter or piece from his work, I could do that.

[John Hilton]

This video might be relevant as Sitchin is mentioned several times:

Joseph Farrell Tesla Great Pyramid Mystery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYUhvzn8-6Y

[Jim_Duyer]

So Nibiru is, very simply, The Earth (the place or planet of origin) of Enlil, the famous sky-god.

Sirius, which is the place of origin of the Enlil-Satan-Marduk-Baal evil types.



Very interesting but a bit confusing.

Thanks for your comment. Yes, I agree. It is intricately woven and there are a great many parts to the puzzle that I have not had the chance to show yet. The story is complicated but important, and we need to know the truth so that we can respond properly when the time comes for us to decide which side we will support.
But it can be made much simpler - There are two basic groups. One is small, and controls most of the world, and the other is large and works for the others. The smaller group worships nothing but power - with material goods as a flag for that power, and if they had to claim any "god" at all it would be some form of Sun or Serpent god.
In the early period of man, these two groups lived together in Europe and the Middle East. When a great flood came, due to a comet strike, they were brought from Anatolia down into the Levant/Mesopotamia on the one side, and Eastern Europe on the other.
The group led by what many call Cain, settled in the Sinai and Egypt, after conquering Sumeria and establishing the Babylonian empire. The group led by Abraham in the East and Job in the West, eventually moved down into Canaan.
The aliens took slaves of the Sumerians, and their complaints about this are in their tablets - very clearly we were, and perhaps are, to some extent, Slaves for the Stars. The hidden part of the Old Testament tells nearly exactly the same story, but adds a few details that the Sumerian version does not contain. Both suffered - indeed, all of humanity suffered.

The Cain group won the battles, and the distant relatives of the original alien "sky-gods" lords it over the rest of us to this date. That's why they are sociopaths - they really believe that they are part "gods" and thus our welfare, truly, is not a concern of theirs.

I was not able to reply yesterday because I was searching for written evidence and hard proof that, as the story in the Bible tells me, the Cain group left for the Sinai region. I found it, thankfully. So that ties the final portion of my work together, and now I will begin writing up my outlines and publishing. It also places them in Egypt, in 1800 BC, and confirms some of Genesis.
But more importantly, it proves that the Hebrews did not have to "remember" the Biblical books for 8000 years, which nobody could seriously believe in any event, not with such detail, it proves that they wrote them first in stone, in the proto version of Sumerian, then later in papyrus etc. But this writing was contemporary with the events - no millennium memory needed.


To give you an idea of how brutally insane the academic world of today is, in the main (with some exceptions), in a desperate attempt to find some record of writing earlier than 900 BC among the Hebrews, they take the finds at Wadi el Hol in Sinai and claim them as proto-Canaanite or proto-Hebrew. They should be ashamed. Of the twelve characters on one example, which I happened to recognize very quickly as early Sumerian, they claim "this scribe apparently made a few errors, and left out some of the key symbols". So of the twelve - they had to add three to get any meaning at all from it! If my translations are not 90% or better I simply discard them as rubbish and look elsewhere.

I translated all twelve, yesterday, and it's a message, complete, with no added or changed characters needed, and no "scribal errors" evident. It says "My son, a child, both sweet and precious, supports the songs and music of the priesthood; he is responsible to his land and tribes." Their forced meaning, which actually is mainly manufactured, as I mentioned, supposedly gives them "the King is anointed." Which king, why, and what's the big deal about that? Who would go out of their way to scratch that in rock on a mountain side?

So yes, there is a lot of crap to sift through to reach what we deserve to know about our origins.

[Jim_Duyer]

post snipped see #14 above...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAotPHquMdo

thanks I enjoyed that interview with Mike Bara....

and the shocker quote from the transcript, that is smack bang on topic...


28:41.... fascinating to me was that if you look at sitchin's book The Lost book
of enki he calls it historical fiction but I don't know - I'm sure you know Jordan Maxwell or knew of Jordan before he passed away the late Jordan Maxwell - but Jordan told me one time - he said Mike... Sitchin told me that that book is is not channeled and it's not fiction he said that Sitchin told him that enki is still alive and dictated it to him that it's basically like Interview with a Vampire only it's interview with an anunnaki...

:jaw:


and another jaw dropping quote from the interview...Bob is Bob Dean...


31:07....Bob believed that there was a very specific officer in the US space command who was in fact Enki


I realize that what Mike Bara says is against the general thrust of this thread...but...?

the whole section that begins around 26 mins helps to put the above two quotes more in context... I have never heard those things stated before...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

edit to add the description of the video with Salla and Mike Bara...


12 Oct 2023
Ancient aliens visited Earth many millennia ago and genetically modified primitive hominids, according to former aeronautical engineer Mike Bara. In his first interview on Exopolitics Today, Bara discusses how he became interested in the UFO issue and ancient aliens due to his collaboration with veteran researcher Richard Hoagland in the 1990s, which culminated in their jointly authored 2007 book, Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA.

In their book, Hoagland and Bara expose the three main groups running NASA from behind the scenes: Magicians, Freemasons, and Nazis. Bara and Dr. Michael Salla discuss the respective influence of these groups on NASA and how NASA is a front for a secret space program using far more advanced aerospace technologies than rockets. Bara and Dr. Salla next discuss the President Kennedy assassination and how it arose from JFK’s desire to share UFO secrets with the Soviet Union in an effort to shake them loose from CIA control. Finally, Bara expresses his views on David Grusch and what lies ahead with the UAP Disclosure Act for 2023. While he believes UFO disclosure over the next six months to a year is going to be a muddled affair, Bara is optimistic that transformative changes are about to hit our planet.


Going back to the quotes I lifted from the video about Enki being alive...I have always suspected that the Masons or similar type group either have the Ark of the Covenant or have made an exact functioning replica.... so I'm speculating that if it's too hard to swallow that Enki could still be around in flesh and blood form...perhaps he can appear in a kind of holographic form in a direct live transmission using the Ark - appearing in-between the cherubim in the Old Testament way...

or using another way to transmit - - - in the Book of Enki at the beginning - he appears in light form to dictate the book to the scribe...

I would prefer not to comment on Bara and Hoagland. It would take a while and it's more my crap detector than anything else. Again, some of what they say has some bits of truth. And it may be just my own attitude shaping my opinion.

I will mention the Masons. They have been privy, probably from back to the times of the Templars, of some or much of what I have found. Their tracks are all over the scene. But they have misinterpreted portions of it - but perhaps not. Because what they print and what they tell the lower masons are not what the top ones know. So it's hard to tell.
But there is this that I will share.

There will be not one but two main Anti-Christs, one in London the other in New York. And their symbols have been planted more than a hundred years ago in preparation. I call them the Anti-Christ twins in a book that I have half-written.
Both groups are associated with the Masons and others who are of the Cain tribes, included the top of the Papal business machine, the bankers, the lawyers and politicians, etc.
Those are you Gog-Magog for the end times.

[Jim_Duyer]

Two posts of mine which seem relevant. @Jim, this thread might be interesting to you:


Cuneiform Sumerian translations (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110197-Cuneiform-Sumerian-translations)

My first post below is from that thread: (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110197-Cuneiform-Sumerian-translations&p=1339122&viewfull=1#post1339122)



I'm familiar with Zecharia Sitchin but Im not sure his work can be trusted. See Bill Ryan's comments here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1262594&viewfull=1#post1262594).Right, Sitchin's work can't be trusted. I heard personally from Jordan Maxwell, who knew Sitchin well, that he often sought 'telepathic guidance' when he was unsure how to translate something.

That was how come Sitchin drove Sumerian academic Michael Heiser crazy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_S._Heiser#Criticism_of_ancient_astronaut_theories), because Heiser was right.... the translations Sitchin came up with weren't always direct translations: they were often Sitchin's interpretations and assumptions, seemingly guided by non-physical contact with something.

And also this (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101369-Nibiru-s-return....&p=1202407&viewfull=1#post1202407), from a thread called Nibiru's return (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101369-Nibiru-s-return....):


No way have the Anunnaki been hanging around on some icy planetoid way out near the orbit of Pluto (or beyond!) waiting patiently for it to gradually get closer. Sitchin was way off base on that.

The Anunnaki, who are an ancient race, have advanced spacefaring technology already, and can get here any time they like — and may well be here now. We have no idea what star system they may be from.

See this thread:


The Anunnaki (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20331-The-Anunnaki)



Thank you Bill! I will certainly look over those today. Sorry I didn't respond yesterday - I found one key piece tying a passage in the Hidden Biblical text to a recorded, written, historical event and my ego forces me to follow it much like a hound follows the scent. When I get in that "mode" I literally drop everything and my wife has to force me to take time to eat.

I remembered that you had written that key piece of evidence about Sitchin - from Maxwell personally, in an early post. That's the important part - that you are the link in that chain. I was truthfully astonished when you wrote that - I had my suspicions because the NSA is a nasty friend of his. I was offered a position by the NSA when I left the Navy as a Cryptographer - I declined. I was then offered an Officers rank in Army intelligence - which I also declined. They like to get their hooks into you if they can. They they offered me a four year tour in the American Embassy in London, wearing plain clothes - I think you get the picture - I declined that as well.

I'll post back after digesting - today is a day of contemplation and rest for me - I work seven on one off, normally.

[Jim_Duyer]

I'm sure you know Jordan Maxwell or knew of Jordan before he passed away the late Jordan Maxwell - but Jordan told me one time - he said Mike... Sitchin told me that that book is is not channeled and it's not fiction he said that Sitchin told him that enki is still alive and dictated it to him that it's basically like Interview with a Vampire only it's interview with an anunnaki... Yes, Jordan Maxwell told me something very similar back in 2010. (He'd known Sitchin very well as a close friend.)

Mike Bara goes a little further here, but Jordan was adamant with me that Sitchin took huge 'inspirational' liberties with his translation, seeking some kind of 'channeled' input or clarification when he came across something that was ambiguous or unclear — which of course was fairly often.

In short, Sitchin just wasn't any kind of true scholar at all. That's why (as in my post quoted above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122198-Nibiru-What-Sitchin-did-not-tell-us&p=1585644&viewfull=1#post1585644)) Michael Heiser became so exasperated when he failed to verify Sitchin's translations. Quite a lot of what he wrote wasn't really 'translated' at all... it was often far more of a creative, channel-inspired, speculative, interpretation.


I just added a bit of speculation at the end of my post above - which may or may not be relevant... :)... but either way it's kind of fun to think about the possibility...and could THAT be considered a somewhat direct 'live stream' method of channelling -

If Sitchin didn't translate the Sumerian Tablets in a traditionally scholarly way ...perhaps he was 'chosen' to bring the general story to us Earthlings....

By some group or someone...

??

I believe that you are correct - he was certainly chosen - by his friends in the CIA and NSA. Chosen to deceive millions of minds that deserve to know the truth, chosen to push an agenda that will help to push us as sheep onto the alien vessels, chosen to betray his fellow humans - and all for fame and money - and, of course, the furthering of their deceitful agenda.
Heiser is more of an Akkadian and Biblical scholar as well - he's not known in the Sumerian translation arena. But he is super smart, determined, and you have to give him credit for his efforts at reaching some truth.

Maxwell knew a great deal. And he shared a great deal - he was, in my opinion, one who cared. And perhaps chose not to share everything - but that's because the entire story is so sad, and so bizarre, and so hateful, that it would lead to worldwide depression just by revealing it. I know that I have been in a similar position, and believe me, knowing even some of the whole story is not what I thought it would be before I began. If I had known I probably would have gone a different route.

[Jim_Duyer]

This video might be relevant as Sitchin is mentioned several times:

Joseph Farrell Tesla Great Pyramid Mystery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYUhvzn8-6Y
I hope so!
That's a funny coincidence - before I read your post I had downloaded the video for tonight - I'm on the DJ mailing list.

[Jim_Duyer]

Bill and others. I have had a chance to read the posts that Bill suggested. Yes, very appropriate and interesting indeed. I made a few comments:

[Two posts of mine which seem relevant. @Jim, this thread might be interesting to you:
Cuneiform Sumerian translations ]
Yes, thanks -for reminding me - that was the post that I read a few years ago that astounded me. I suspected, but had no evidence, that he was full of crap. And by that I am not meaning to denegrate the fine people who truly do have gifts of telepathic guidance, but rather I consider his mention of it as a slap in the face to those that are trutly gifted. I'm not sure that I am not. I was sure for many years that I had no gift, but then I began considering the many times that I have awoken with breakthroughs clear in my mind - so perhaps someone is whispering the answers to me while I sleep.


[ So we have some of their DNA mixed with that of some animals indigenous to Earth.
If they were black or white or whatever, they could manipulate DNA to virtually anything they wanted.
We need to be prepared for anything. Lets say they happen to be cannibalistic as some Reptilians are said to be. ] If I was asked for a list of the biggest lies we have been "sold", the idea that the aliens created us, mixed us with their DNA, or otherwise produced us, is in first place. They did transport us, from our planets of origin (6 or possibly 7 planets - still tying down this part), and took Neanderthals back with them to even other locations. And the second is the reptilian idea - this is simply a confusion over their dry, scaly skin, which perhaps resulted from the Sun that they lived under. AND it only occurs in the Enlil group from near Sirius - the ones aligned to Enki, who tried to help mankind in its early stages, are not reported to have this condition (and they are from another star group entirely - much closer to humaniites planets of origin). Enlil, in the Sumerian tablets, was the Commander of the expedition, and Enki his second in command. That's not my idea, it's what the translations tell me.

Another interesting connection. When I translated the fast burst transmissions from space, they strangly mention God, several times. They explain that they are religious, to the extent that they acknowledge a creator God for all human-resembling entities on a great many worlds. That's why the Wow Signal from Ohio University translates as "Have Faith". They did not know Jesus, or one like him, but perhaps he was not needed on their planets as yet. They are very candid when they explain that the Creator, created, and then moved on. His role was to create, to ensure that the creations had a chance, and then to push further into the void to repeat this indefinitely. They believe that he is still at work, somewhere out there.

[The Niburuians (I coined that my self) are sure to land in some remote place like Africa where they were before. ] Sitchin dreamed up the part about Africa as well. Any astronomer will tell you that gold is one of the most common elements in the universe. Any good old meteor will contain chunks of it - simple to mine, close at hand. But what Sitchin did not tell us, is that along with gold comes some very precious, universally rare, minerals and isotopes. What we call the rare-earth types. Now those they might have gone for.

[ Re: Nibiru's return.... There is no way to prepare for this if it takes place.
Except to hope that we make great pets. ] Well, I beg to differ. There are several things that we can do, and will do, to prepare ourselves. They are very advanced, and very smart, but they also have very clear flaws in their character and personality, and that will be their ending. I have three ideas at play - one of which involves the same type of microwave radar that brought down the crafts at Roswell and was borrowed by England to bring down the craft (intentionally and as a form of underhanded dealing on our part) in northern England in 1953. So we know it works.

FROM Bill: [Re: Nibiru's return....
No way have the Anunnaki been hanging around on some icy planetoid way out near the orbit of Pluto (or beyond!) waiting patiently for it to gradually get closer. Sitchin was way off base on that.

The Anunnaki, who are an ancient race, have advanced spacefaring technology already, and can get here any time they like — and may well be here now. We have no idea what star system they may be from.] Agreed, fully. Except that we are told by the Sumerians where they are from, exactly.
I'd like to comment on their transportation as well. If any still believe that the human-imposed "speed-limit" of the speed of light applies to anyone except Earthlings, he only needs to study Tesla. In his reports, on two occasions when he spoke to the press, he gave figures for the time that it took certain of his radio signals to circumnavigate the globe. And if any of the reporters had simply "done the math" as I have, they would learn that they were propogated at a speed of 1.43 times that of light. And my second point is that anything moving faster than light would, using common sense, not be visible to human eyes. Faster than the light can reach our eyes is another way of putting it. So when they "appear" out of seemingly nowhere, and our scientists tell us that this might indicate another dimension, the truth is that they simply stopped their FTL movement, and thus became visible to us. The same thing when they leave and seem to blink out of existence. Hello - faster than the light can reach our eyes. So yes, obviously they can do FTL.
However, in the Sumerian texts and in the Bible, they mention taking slaves of humans and cooling them down - freezing them. Now, how is it that a desert people five thousand years ago even knew of cooling things down? And yet both languages have a word for it, so it must have been known to them. Cryogenic transport. Simple.

BTW - here are not one but four words in Sumerian for that concept:
bar šed "to cool down"
ni ten "to cool off"
sed "(to be) cold; to cool, soothe; winter"
ten "(to be) cool, become cool; (to make) cool, calm; to extinguish; (to be) appeased"

Yes, the first three might indicate snow or ice on the top of the mountains near Sumeria.
But the fourth one, ten, means "to make cool", indicating the action of making something cool, and when combined with other terms they sused such as "shiny, metal, boat or ship, load lke animals" I think we get the picture.


[Much of what Sitchin wrote about the Annunaki cannot be precisely corroborated but his translations indicated that those who were on Earth for extended periods developed problems with aging and could not return to Niburu. ] One reason that the good group had to hide their messages inside of other texts, both in the Sumerian and Biblical texts, is explained as Enki's group needing to use the service of the cloning machines that manufactured the needed body parts as they wore out - and those were in the control of the Captain - Enlil. Had what I call the good group been other than somewhat "good" in relation to humanity, is that they could have used human body parts if they were not friendly to us. We were sent as slaves to the stars, for fresher DNA that was not damaged by space travel, for body parts, and for sexual slavery as well. What will perhaps make you throw up, as it did me, is that both the Sumerians and the Bible authors tells us that it was children and women that they were mostly interested in exporting. And their distant relatives live among us today, thinking themselves above us as part gods, and they also like to trafic in children and have islands dedicated to the delights of the rich and powerful - who can understand that and not understand that they are still here today?


Bill - another that you commented on: [Re: Nibiru's return....
Quote Posted by Leonard (here)
The bad ones are hidden in the hollow earth ] I mentioned in another topic the location of the original stone tablets of information guarded by Enosh down to Job and Abraham, and that they are buried in Emar, Syria, in the back of the temple there on the mount. But I also know the location of Kur, the mountain home of the sky-gods, home to Enlil and company while here on Earth, and in those underground hives entered through caves, we will perhaps find some of that alien tech or knowledge. I can put us within 500 feet of it, of that I am sure, based on landmarks provided. That's also one of the three methods of defence that I am working on - finding that knowledge.


liekeze Has it correct: [Niburu is a ship, not a planet. And the Anunakene look just like us, rather we look just like them, because we ARE them...in a certain sense. ] Niburu is a person, or one of his ancestry, driving a ship. And they do look like us because they placed us here. In all honestly I do not know why - it is never mentioned - at least not in the hundreds of tablets I have worked on. But since there were 6 or 7 planets of origin for us, and all of them centered between our modern constellations of Cygnus and Lyra, I would suppose some type of astronomical event that effected that sector of space. Their intention may have been humanitarian in nature, but was ruined when Enlil decided that he wished to be a god, rather than someone helping us to adjust.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Pardon me if I missed it but what of the Izizi? Issisi? The ones that stayed in orbit.

Sitchin also spoke of the Watchers. Any of that come through your translations?

[jaybee]

I'm sure you know Jordan Maxwell or knew of Jordan before he passed away the late Jordan Maxwell - but Jordan told me one time - he said Mike... Sitchin told me that that book is is not channeled and it's not fiction he said that Sitchin told him that enki is still alive and dictated it to him that it's basically like Interview with a Vampire only it's interview with an anunnaki... Yes, Jordan Maxwell told me something very similar back in 2010. (He'd known Sitchin very well as a close friend.)

Mike Bara goes a little further here, but Jordan was adamant with me that Sitchin took huge 'inspirational' liberties with his translation, seeking some kind of 'channeled' input or clarification when he came across something that was ambiguous or unclear — which of course was fairly often.

In short, Sitchin just wasn't any kind of true scholar at all. That's why (as in my post quoted above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122198-Nibiru-What-Sitchin-did-not-tell-us&p=1585644&viewfull=1#post1585644)) Michael Heiser became so exasperated when he failed to verify Sitchin's translations. Quite a lot of what he wrote wasn't really 'translated' at all... it was often far more of a creative, channel-inspired, speculative, interpretation.


I just added a bit of speculation at the end of my post above - which may or may not be relevant... :)... but either way it's kind of fun to think about the possibility...and could THAT be considered a somewhat direct 'live stream' method of channelling -

If Sitchin didn't translate the Sumerian Tablets in a traditionally scholarly way ...perhaps he was 'chosen' to bring the general story to us Earthlings....

By some group or someone...

??

I believe that you are correct - he was certainly chosen - by his friends in the CIA and NSA. Chosen to deceive millions of minds that deserve to know the truth, chosen to push an agenda that will help to push us as sheep onto the alien vessels, chosen to betray his fellow humans - and all for fame and money - and, of course, the furthering of their deceitful agenda.


those are harsh and judgemental words.....and the bit about 'push us as sheep onto the alien vessels...' is a mysterious thing to say...if Sitchin had friends in the CIA and NSA could they have been some of the 'White Hat' ones that are on 'our' side...? maybe tasked with getting the story out to educate people about our origins... ?



Heiser is more of an Akkadian and Biblical scholar as well - he's not known in the Sumerian translation arena. But he is super smart, determined, and you have to give him credit for his efforts at reaching some truth.

Maxwell knew a great deal. And he shared a great deal - he was, in my opinion, one who cared. And perhaps chose not to share everything - but that's because the entire story is so sad, and so bizarre, and so hateful, that it would lead to worldwide depression just by revealing it. I know that I have been in a similar position, and believe me, knowing even some of the whole story is not what I thought it would be before I began. If I had known I probably would have gone a different route.


depressing or not ... that sounds intriguing - perhaps you can say more about that one day - we are kind of used to sad, bizarre and hateful stuff at the mo... bring it on... I'm sure we can take it.... :) (fingers crossed)

anyway - here's Jordan Maxwell interviewing Sitchin....

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Jordan Maxwell - Private Interview with Zecharia Sitchin

[Bill Ryan]

[Sitchin] was certainly chosen - by his friends in the CIA and NSA.
Yes, Jordan told me personally that Sitchin had close ties with the NSA. Most interestingly, he said that Sitchin was periodically invited, along with other 'psychics' (none of them known by or named by Jordan), to attend NSA-led meetings in which the psychics would report and share what they felt they knew, or sensed, about ET and/or non-human activities. Sitchin was apparently included in that group every time.

[Jim_Duyer]

Pardon me if I missed it but what of the Izizi? Issisi? The ones that stayed in orbit.

Sitchin also spoke of the Watchers. Any of that come through your translations?

My bad Ernie, I forgot to mention them. The Sumerians tell us that they were the ones who, from the sky, watched over everything the humans and others did, down below. And that they sometimes were used to collect humans to bring to Kur, the mountain home of the sky-gods and a place for transport.
The Biblical authors tell us that the Watchers are the ones that brought them back and forth from Earth to other planets. A sort of transport crew, but they also picked up humans. So perhaps the military or enforcement group.
Thanks for reminding me.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



[Sitchin] was certainly chosen - by his friends in the CIA and NSA.
Yes, Jordan told me personally that Sitchin had close ties with the NSA. Most interestingly, he said that Sitchin was periodically invited, along with other 'psychics' (none of them known by or named by Jordan), to attend NSA-led meetings in which the psychics would report and share what they felt they knew, or sensed, about ET and/or non-human activities. Sitchin was apparently included in that group every time.

Thank's again Bill, it was your earlier mention that caused me to look deeper into Sitchin, and then I found both NSA and CIA ties.
Great topic - thanks to all of the posters.

[Jim_Duyer]

I'm sure you know Jordan Maxwell or knew of Jordan before he passed away the late Jordan Maxwell - but Jordan told me one time - he said Mike... Sitchin told me that that book is is not channeled and it's not fiction he said that Sitchin told him that enki is still alive and dictated it to him that it's basically like Interview with a Vampire only it's interview with an anunnaki... Yes, Jordan Maxwell told me something very similar back in 2010. (He'd known Sitchin very well as a close friend.)

Mike Bara goes a little further here, but Jordan was adamant with me that Sitchin took huge 'inspirational' liberties with his translation, seeking some kind of 'channeled' input or clarification when he came across something that was ambiguous or unclear — which of course was fairly often.

In short, Sitchin just wasn't any kind of true scholar at all. That's why (as in my post quoted above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122198-Nibiru-What-Sitchin-did-not-tell-us&p=1585644&viewfull=1#post1585644)) Michael Heiser became so exasperated when he failed to verify Sitchin's translations. Quite a lot of what he wrote wasn't really 'translated' at all... it was often far more of a creative, channel-inspired, speculative, interpretation.


I just added a bit of speculation at the end of my post above - which may or may not be relevant... :)... but either way it's kind of fun to think about the possibility...and could THAT be considered a somewhat direct 'live stream' method of channelling -

If Sitchin didn't translate the Sumerian Tablets in a traditionally scholarly way ...perhaps he was 'chosen' to bring the general story to us Earthlings....

By some group or someone...

??

I believe that you are correct - he was certainly chosen - by his friends in the CIA and NSA. Chosen to deceive millions of minds that deserve to know the truth, chosen to push an agenda that will help to push us as sheep onto the alien vessels, chosen to betray his fellow humans - and all for fame and money - and, of course, the furthering of their deceitful agenda.


those are harsh and judgemental words.....and the bit about 'push us as sheep onto the alien vessels...' is a mysterious thing to say...if Sitchin had friends in the CIA and NSA could they have been some of the 'White Hat' ones that are on 'our' side...? maybe tasked with getting the story out to educate people about our origins... ?



Heiser is more of an Akkadian and Biblical scholar as well - he's not known in the Sumerian translation arena. But he is super smart, determined, and you have to give him credit for his efforts at reaching some truth.

Maxwell knew a great deal. And he shared a great deal - he was, in my opinion, one who cared. And perhaps chose not to share everything - but that's because the entire story is so sad, and so bizarre, and so hateful, that it would lead to worldwide depression just by revealing it. I know that I have been in a similar position, and believe me, knowing even some of the whole story is not what I thought it would be before I began. If I had known I probably would have gone a different route.


depressing or not ... that sounds intriguing - perhaps you can say more about that one day - we are kind of used to sad, bizarre and hateful stuff at the mo... bring it on... I'm sure we can take it.... :) (fingers crossed)

anyway - here's Jordan Maxwell interviewing Sitchin....

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Jordan Maxwell - Private Interview with Zecharia Sitchin

Well, White Hat CIA, NSA. Hmmm. Perhaps those exist, but if so we will never learn anything from them that has not been approved for publication - Top Secret doesn't work any other way. Yes, I get angry about Sitchin, but it's not personal - I didn't know him, never knew him, never read any of his books either. When I saw his work in Akkadian, which he called Sumerian, and realized that he was blowing smoke and corrupting the minds of young readers - I steered clear.
Harsh terms perhaps, but what can you call someone who is supposedly a "scholar" who relates information that he knows to be less than the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
His books were popular, I will agree. But that is not always an indication of historical value, just popular value.

I'll try to publish some of the sad parts here. I could offer truly sad tales from the Sumerians, the Biblical authors, and even from the Anglo-Saxons, Norse, and that group - in the early middle ages (500s AD). All had them. Not all were about aliens.
Every time that one group were weaker, and got shafted by the stronger or larger group, they wrote sad tales about it.
Weaker doesn't always mean numbers - so we should keep this in mind going forward.
The saddest to me involves the abduction of infants. I can't stand that thought.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

My research tells me it was 468,000 years ago that one group entered - no mention of any connection with Enlil or Marduk, so perhaps an even earlier group.

Scratching my head a little trying to, in a sense, tessellate this ancient origin-story with that which was provided by Cayce, being the Atlantean experience that ended some 12,000 years ago.

According to his account, what emerged as humanity began in Lemuria in the etheric domain [in which human intelligence was previously contained], condensing eventually into the physical somewhere in the region of 10 million years ago.

But that's at strong variance to this far later 'Annunaki' story, and I can't seem to find a common thread that would link them together. Do you have any further insight on this?

[norman]

From what we are told the name Anunnaki means, by anthropological secular scientism . . . . "Princely Seed" and others have said "Those who came from the sky", it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say "Those who fell to earth and set up the principality under the (fallen) Prince of Darkness".

I know I don't buy the idea that they created us. I think they are/were a menace around here.

I also suspect they are part of the Nephilim phenomena, maybe the progenitors of them.

[Jim_Duyer]

My research tells me it was 468,000 years ago that one group entered - no mention of any connection with Enlil or Marduk, so perhaps an even earlier group.

Scratching my head a little trying to, in a sense, tessellate this ancient origin-story with that which was provided by Cayce, being the Atlantean experience that ended some 12,000 years ago.

According to his account, what emerged as humanity began in Lemuria in the etheric domain [in which human intelligence was previously contained], condensing eventually into the physical somewhere in the region of 10 million years ago.

But that's at strong variance to this far later 'Annunaki' story, and I can't seem to find a common thread that would link them together. Do you have any further insight on this?

Thank you Mark (Star Mariner)
I don't believe that Cayce and my own research are that far apart. About 12,000 years ago is when mankind was subjected to yet another wave of interruptions in his historical record on Earth. When Cayce speaks of millions of years ago on Earth, he is speaking of the humans that lived here prior to the introduction of the dominant race of today - us - that arrived roughly some 70,000 years ago.

In other words, when the Sumerians mention that we were brought and that some Neanderthal (and Denisovians and others of that type as well) were taken back (with no indication of where back indicates, but probably back to the home planetary group of Enlil, which would be somewhere in the triangle of Sirius and Beetlegeuse), so his ideas do match what the Sumerians tell us.
We might wish to keep in mind that the Sumerians were not Persian, not Arabic, not Hebrews. Their origin can be placed quite safely in northern Anatolia (modern Turkey) into the Caucasus Mountain region, and before 12000 BC. I mention that because one comment I received (not on here of course) is "why believe the Sumerians - they're just a bunch of Islamic Arabs. This was from a professed Christian who did not like my contradiction of one part of the Biblical texts. The translation that yields "black-headed" is also in error, but that's for another day.

I don't disagree with him in respect to Lemuria either - but they were a branch of the original Atlantis peoples who occupied a position quite near the north pole region. Europeans (and by extension Americans) have 1/3rd of their native DNA from this group. But you have to look deep into the science journals to find that tidbit. The other third were native to Europe and the final third from the plains of southern Russia area (and the Caucasus as well).

What's interesting is that we have people that indicate the Ashkenazi as being an input to the Jews of Europe. And they usually associate this with some type of slur, as in - the Jews are not actually all from Palestine but some from there. Well, they were, but if you connect the dots (wine drunk by Noah, first produced in Georgia - Caucasus) and the SH syllable groups that are popular with the Hebrews, plus the association of the Hurrians and Hatti, from that region, with Job and Abraham, and the fact is that the origin of one important part of what we call Jews today is from the Ashkenazi region, if you go back to 7500 BC or so.

I am pro-Palestinian in the current conflict, but not ever anti-Semitic, just to give you an idea of why my research is balanced. If you look closely, the Jews of Israel have a large portion of Syrian, Iranian, Iraqi, Arabic, Egyptian and
Hittite-Hatti-Hurrian blood, so they are something like the original Heinz 57 mix. Nothing wrong with that - many of us do.

The Annunaki did not just subjugate, enslave, and brutally control the early Sumerians, Akkadians, Syrians, Babylonians, Amorites, Egyptians and others - it's just that we have uncovered the most written evidence from those groups.
I spend time trying to figure out what happened back then - because, and in the not too distant future, we may face that same type of denigration of our races on Earth. And there may be (are) some clues on how our ancestors lived through it.

I'm a firm believer in the two groups - one angry, with little concern for humanity, the other less-powerful, helpful to the extent that they can, helped humanity in the past and based on the fast burst radio transmissions seem willing to do so in the present - but in reality, at the end it will really be up to us. And to add to that level of concern, we will have to root out and deal with the quislings who have been aiding the evil group all along. They're easy to identify - powerful, connected, few in number, psychopathic personalities, and deviant sexual behavior, often associated with children. We can all think of a half-dozen right off the bat.

To go back to your comment and finish this (because I am back to work today, ha ha) Cayce may be correct that humans were first placed on Earth in Lemuria. My research ties the early group on Easter Island with the mummies on the shores of north Chile and Southern Peru, and to the green blood observed, along with enlarged skulls, on some of them.
When they dug up the bottom half of the standing stones on Easter Island - finally, one of the symbols on the back of them can also be found in the Mayan ball courts, for example. So yes, that and the fact that the Tiwanaku people call their temple the "navel" of the world, tells us that probably the center of the Pacific was of importance early on. But more to the Central and South Americans than to Europeans, who were more connected with the group in the far north.

I will be publishing, eventually, a book that includes a map that I discovered. The map has been dated by not one but three teams of archaeologists to 2000 BC, but the signs on it show Theban as the north star, so that puts it back to 3700 BC. And the map is of the North Pole, complete with all of the major islands, accurately depicting the ingress and egress from England to Alaska, all of the small inlets in Canada, etc., and it shows a large lake in the center of Greenland - which our scientists tell us does indeed exist under the snow, and was once a viable lake, but way, way back. Think of Piri Reis on steroids.
They will for sure hate me for that one, because that means the Native Americans and Europeans are cousins at least, if not brothers in fact.

Jim

[Jim_Duyer]

UPDATE: I'm back working to complete a chapter on the Wadi el Hol symbols, as I mentioned, and I need to correct an error in my statement. I was using the dates put forth by the archaeologists - why? No idea, because I know they are often wrong.
I have finished that translation, and will finish the complete alphabet this week, and it is indeed proto-Sumerian, but NOT from the 1900-1700 BC that they told me, but from 3500 BC. And I am sure of that dating +- 200 years. And ENLIL is mentioned in the translation. It seems one of the Cainite group from Elam journeyed by boat to Egypt and left those markings. But he was joining a group of Cain tribes that lived there at the time. So not only did they have the language wrong (Sumerian and not proto-Sinitic) the dates and associations as well. Anyway, it confirms what my translations of the Biblical texts say and is even tighter evidence that they were accurate in what they tell us.

The Cain group of Amorites would become mixed with Arabs and Egyptians and then move into Jerusalem later along with the family of Moses (also Cainites or Kenites) and become blended with the Jews of Israel. And they mixed with the Abrahamic group who had already mixed with the Caanite locals. So, Palestinians vs Jews? How? They're the same people!

[Mark]

Maybe the effects that precede Marduk's arrival, like the waterline dropping excessively before a tsunami reaches the shoreline, maybe the nature of Marduk's arrival itself could be massively damaging in ways we are not aware of......... Bare in mind, these mention nothing of Marduk himself, his form, his intentions or why he has indeed, come back.

Not long, in the scheme of things, to wait.

Indeed. Considering the nature of the times and the solar systemic response to the mounting of the galactic current sheet, increased meteoritic and asteroid strikes, the increasing heating of the planets of the solar system all presuage what has been a cyclical journey of becoming for oceanic humanity. I'm curious as to the form especially, as well as the energetic nature of this shift's apex expression. The fall and rise of civilizations, the inevitable clash of contradictory core value systems and the rising intensity of psychological emergencies on the part of a significant proportion of humanity all seem to accompany this shift.

Velikovsky's work seems more and more salient each day.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I will be publishing, eventually, a book that includes a map that I discovered. The map has been dated by not one but three teams of archaeologists to 2000 BC, but the signs on it show Theban as the north star, so that puts it back to 3700 BC. And the map is of the North Pole, complete with all of the major islands, accurately depicting the ingress and egress from England to Alaska, all of the small inlets in Canada, etc., and it shows a large lake in the center of Greenland - which our scientists tell us does indeed exist under the snow, and was once a viable lake, but way, way back.


Many thanks for the thoughtful reply, that's fascinating. Any possibility of posting the map here? If it does indeed depict Greenland without an ice-sheet, I'd surmise it's far older than 3700 BC.

Based on many pre-historical snippets of Cayce's readings we can gather that the Earth before the Atlantean cataclysm was indeed very different. There was a pole shift at that time, which likely caused or accelerated the demise of Atlantis. In those ancient days the Sahara was green, and the Nile River flowed not north into the Mediterranean but west into the Atlantic. Antarctica too was green and lush, and much of North America was either covered by ice or under water. Cayce said that many Atlanteans fled (after the disaster) to Europe and Egypt, but others to the Yucatan, and across the waters to a large island grouping that today is Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and to as far north as Ohio (these were the original Mound Builders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mound_Builders)).

Interestingly though, we learn also that there were pockets of civilization already existing in other places in the world, and at least one other major, sophisticated civilization. There is very little mention of them anywhere (on this forum or otherwise). This culture has been totally scrubbed from the record, if not the face of the Earth, and almost nothing whatsoever is known about it or its people. And that is the Gobi, those who lived in what is now the barren, empty Gobi Desert in present day Mongolia. Once green and fertile the Gobi was home to an advanced and flourishing people, and post-Atlantis, a group of survivors went to join the Gobi. Allegedly, somewhere under those desert sands, lies a Temple of Gold that once housed the princesses of Poseidia sheltering in exile. Additionally, we hear of another group of Atlantean survivors who settled the Indus Valley to birth a new civilization there, of which only fragments now remain (and tantalizing clues that a terrible destruction befell them, one that had the hallmarks of something potentially nuclear (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75973-Desert-Glass-Formed-by-Ancient-Atomic-Bombs)).

This is all to say, that for a brief period humanity rebooted after Atlantis, and got off to a very promising start. Consider this extract from the Cayce readings (1939):



“[entity was] in Atlantean land of Poseidian peoples when there was the breaking up of the land, among those who came to Pyranees and then to Egypt, active in preserving records – using powers called in the present natural sources or electrical forces for propelling vehicles, ships, and for conveniences and communications.”

If in Egypt, in 10,500BC, we had electrical power, communications technology, 'ships that could float on the air' and the moral tenets to guide society in the shape of the Law of One...what the hell went wrong? If we had all that and so long ago we could be, we should be, a Type 2 Civilization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale) by now. But by the Early Dynastic period (~3,000BC) we find the same Egyptians had regressed to a simple people steeped in myth and superstition. All that ancient wisdom gone, all that technology lost.

In fact, an answer now comes to me that may answer my original question:

Did this reboot of world civilization post-Atlantis fail due to external interference? Might THIS be where the Anunnaki come in? With the power and glory of the Atlanteans gone, or at least far reduced, was the Earth now ripe to be conquered?

[Jim_Duyer]

I will be publishing, eventually, a book that includes a map that I discovered. The map has been dated by not one but three teams of archaeologists to 2000 BC, but the signs on it show Theban as the north star, so that puts it back to 3700 BC. And the map is of the North Pole, complete with all of the major islands, accurately depicting the ingress and egress from England to Alaska, all of the small inlets in Canada, etc., and it shows a large lake in the center of Greenland - which our scientists tell us does indeed exist under the snow, and was once a viable lake, but way, way back.


Many thanks for the thoughtful reply, that's fascinating. Any possibility of posting the map here? If it does indeed depict Greenland without an ice-sheet, I'd surmise it's far older than 3700 BC.

Based on many pre-historical snippets of Cayce's readings we can gather that the Earth before the Atlantean cataclysm was indeed very different. There was a pole shift at that time, which likely caused or accelerated the demise of Atlantis. In those ancient days the Sahara was green, and the Nile River flowed not north into the Mediterranean but west into the Atlantic. Antarctica too was green and lush, and much of North America was either covered by ice or under water. Cayce said that many Atlanteans fled (after the disaster) to Europe and Egypt, but others to the Yucatan, and across the waters to a large island grouping that today is Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and to as far north as Ohio (these were the original Mound Builders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mound_Builders)).

Interestingly though, we learn also that there were pockets of civilization already existing in other places in the world, and at least one other major, sophisticated civilization. There is very little mention of them anywhere (on this forum or otherwise). This culture has been totally scrubbed from the record, if not the face of the Earth, and almost nothing whatsoever is known about it or its people. And that is the Gobi, those who lived in what is now the barren, empty Gobi Desert in present day Mongolia. Once green and fertile the Gobi was home to an advanced and flourishing people, and post-Atlantis, a group of survivors went to join the Gobi. Allegedly, somewhere under those desert sands, lies a Temple of Gold that once housed the princesses of Poseidia sheltering in exile. Additionally, we hear of another group of Atlantean survivors who settled the Indus Valley to birth a new civilization there, of which only fragments now remain (and tantalizing clues that a terrible destruction befell them, one that had the hallmarks of something potentially nuclear (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75973-Desert-Glass-Formed-by-Ancient-Atomic-Bombs)).

This is all to say, that for a brief period humanity rebooted after Atlantis, and got off to a very promising start. Consider this extract from the Cayce readings (1939):



“[entity was] in Atlantean land of Poseidian peoples when there was the breaking up of the land, among those who came to Pyranees and then to Egypt, active in preserving records – using powers called in the present natural sources or electrical forces for propelling vehicles, ships, and for conveniences and communications.”

If in Egypt, in 10,500BC, we had electrical power, communications technology, 'ships that could float on the air' and the moral tenets to guide society in the shape of the Law of One...what the hell went wrong? If we had all that and so long ago we could be, we should be, a Type 2 Civilization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale) by now. But by the Early Dynastic period (~3,000BC) we find the same Egyptians had regressed to a simple people steeped in myth and superstition. All that ancient wisdom gone, all that technology lost.

In fact, an answer now comes to me that may answer my original question:

Did this reboot of world civilization post-Atlantis fail due to external interference? Might THIS be where the Anunnaki come in? With the power and glory of the Atlanteans gone, or at least far reduced, was the Earth now ripe to be conquered?

Wow. Your ability to connect the dots is truly amazing. I believe that outsiders did indeed cause this loss, and further that they knew about, or steered, a comet or other body that resulted in the lowering of mankind's intelligence over the millennium. In fact we know that the Neanderthal had 1900 CC brains, the Boskop man in South Africa 2100 CC, and when we first started out as Cro-Magnons we had 1650 - but we are now down below 1300, (and even lower for some groups).
I have to finish the one I am on and then I will publish the map and put it on here as well for discussion.

BTW - my conclusions, after too many years of research is that this group does not want us to know. The symbols in Egypt that they call proto-Canaanite and date to 1500 BC? Anyone, and I mean any competent Sumerian translator who knows proto-Sumerian symbol languages would recognize them instantly as belonging to that group. Yes, there are only about 70 in the world now that are competent in those symbols, but all 70 (except myself) are in positions of authority at Universities or working for the NSA. So, it is intention that they are throwing us in the wrong direction. And, the markings that the police Sargent found in Socorro were intentionally changed by the military or intelligence to create a new message. By changing the symbols that said "we adventure and learn" to "war is our passion" they both muddy the waters and plant an agenda that all aliens will be evil. When they intentionally bring down at least two craft, and probably more, and then fail to mention this, it makes the evidence stronger.

I did not want to publish my book on the Corona remedy. Because I realized that two things were happening - it was a perfect match for the same type of symbol alphabet that I mentioned only 70 know about (or fewer). And the same one that is used by the Sumerians and the Biblical authors to warn us. So I knew that either this was a government plant to throw me off - since I was approached personally by the whistle blower - or it was an actual communication from those that wish to try to help us. And history has shown that everything, every part of the remedy and every association between the USA and China working together to poison the Earth is not only true but was given to me prior to the major spread.

So yes, we do have allies, and yes they seem to have contacted me in an oblique fashion - probably due to my other posts on the net.

I had finished (yes, actually finished and edited, ready to publish) a book on the discs (Dropa) found in China and reported on in a few magazines. The ones that speak of aliens crashing 10,000 years ago. And where they crashed, and the trail that leads direct to that spot, is from a location in the Gobi desert, where teams of Nazi archaeologists as well as American and British and Japanese and French spies gathered to search for it.
I will try to get that out right away. It's done after all, and I was holding it because I was advised to publish three or so at a time so that the interest would help each of them to rise.

I'm no longer furnishing the titles and will not publish under my own name, because there is a group of Russian (probably more likely Eastern block) types that are stalking me whenever I write anything, and they will steal and sell my work. I know this because they keep approaching me asking for my next book, and they put the Corona book up as a pirated copy right after I submitted it to Amazon. They also seem to join every forum that I do. Now I communicate only on this one - I quit all the others.

But I will let you all know after it has sold a few, and share what I can of course. Jim

[norman]

So, Palestinians vs Jews? How? They're the same people!



I reached a similar conclusion by coming at it from a different direction.

If a group/race of converted/impostor "jews", with no direct line of decent from the ancient people of the Levant, intend to complete a process of stealing the identity and inheritance of the originals, what would they do to the remaining original genetic living legacy even if it is by now diluted somewhat with other local genetics.

They'd set about eliminating all traces of the original genetics. Perhaps that would first look like crushing them into a ghetto to dehumanise and radicalise them into a 'legitimate' threat worthy of heavy handed slaughter tactics disguised as self defence. They'd want to do that before anyone else joined enough dots to do a serious genetic study of the locals.

[Jim_Duyer]

So, Palestinians vs Jews? How? They're the same people!



I reached a similar conclusion by coming at it from a different direction.

If a group/race of converted/impostor "jews", with no direct line of decent from the ancient people of the Levant, intend to complete a process of stealing the identity and inheritance of the originals, what would they do to the remaining original genetic living legacy even if it is by now diluted somewhat with other local genetics.

They'd set about eliminating all traces of the original genetics. Perhaps that would first look like crushing them into a ghetto to dehumanise and radicalise them into a 'legitimate' threat worthy of heavy handed slaughter tactics disguised as self defence. They'd want to do that before anyone else joined enough dots to do a serious genetic study of the locals.

Yes. But we might wish to keep in mind that this was with the assistance of the British - politically, and the Americans, monetarily and politically, and it is on-going. Anyone who looks at a map from 1949, with a few small dots representing Israel held territory and then compares it with today's map, would have to agree that the expansion is real and it came at a cost - to their neighbors. Whether provoked or not, they seem to have come out on top. And provoking is easily manufactured - just ask those responsible for the false flags beginning in Vietnam.

I try to avoid making statements that might be seen as Anti-Semitic, and especially because I have Jewish friends that I grew up with since pre-school and I most definitely am not anti Jewish. That's why I only post facts, evidence that has been double-checked, and if those facts paint a negative picture of some, and again, the lower ranks are in not much better position than our own lower ranks are in comparison to the ones now calling the shots, the few who are deserving of answering for those facts, then so be it. And I feel that I must post that data because we have a few, again a few, from our Christian ranks, who will go to any lengths to hide or shape the truth if it lends support to the narrative that we have been taught.

Lutheran Ministers, for example, discovered the name Abraham in the Sumerian texts, published it as a Yale book but then restricted the sale to only academics - all so that the truth that he was a scribe in Sumeria in 2000 BC would not come out. They feared that this would bolster claims that Abraham copied the Sumerian tales for the Bible. Nothing could be further from the truth, but lacking the skills and integrity to dig deeper they instead chose to add to our suffering due to lack of knowledge. So yes, I step on toes sometimes to get there.

And this is one of those occasions. They are all the same people if you go back to the time of Abraham and run forward. That's not a slander, it's documented fact.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Anyone, and I mean any competent Sumerian translator who knows proto-Sumerian symbol languages would recognize them instantly as belonging to that group. Yes, there are only about 70 in the world now that are competent in those symbols, but all 70 (except myself) are in positions of authority at Universities or working for the NSA. So, it is intention that they are throwing us in the wrong direction.

Where there is truth there is interference from those attempting to crush it or hide it. It's likely coming from the very same regressive source that's dogged humanity (and the truth) for millennia. I extend my highest admiration and respect to you Jim for carrying out this noble work despite the interference coming from the Secrecy Industrial Complex, which is embedded it seems in every conceivable sphere of human activity. The truth must out; it is a force of nature and it must vent somewhere. This forum is truly one of the few remaining outlets where that may take place. Long may it remain!


I believe that outsiders did indeed cause this loss, and further that they knew about, or steered, a comet or other body that resulted in the lowering of mankind's intelligence over the millennium.


Yes the comet, as discussed in this thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121956-The-Why-What-and-Where-of-the-WOW--Signal). That may indeed tie into this time-frame. If I recall correctly (from somewhere), there is mention, or perhaps myth, of a comet or meteor dropping in the Indian Ocean, slated to have occurred around 7-8000BC. While it doesn't exactly correlate with the third Atlantean destruction, or indeed the Noah myth (or does it?), intriguing riddles remain in various ancient oral histories. One is the Hopi, as written in the Book of the Hopi, that records that the "third world (which could match Cayce's third destruction of Atlantis) was one of "great flourishing cities, and where there were flying boats called 'patuvota' in which people could travel in, and were used in wars." But the people became evil and warlike and their world was destroyed. "Waves higher than mountains rolled in on the land and continents broke asunder and sank beneath the seas." One wonders if these were tsunamis caused by an ocean impact of an object from space.


In fact we know that the Neanderthal had 1900 CC brains, the Boskop man in South Africa 2100 CC, and when we first started out as Cro-Magnons we had 1650 - but we are now down below 1300, (and even lower for some groups).

Cayce mentions many times the "things" or "automatons" employed by the Atlanteans for slave labour. Some were formulated (engineered) by the Atlanteans themselves and were very bizarre, having both human and animal traits. These may have given rise to our ancient myths of strange creatures like the cyclops, mermaid, or minotaur. But there were also other creatures of a more human kind, but were treated and regarded as savages: a sort of sub-human that had scarcely any human rights. I've often wondered if these sub-human "automatons" could be classified, actually, as proto-hominids, i.e. what we call Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal. I think there's a very good chance these were what the Atlanteans were using as slaves.

[Jim_Duyer]

Anyone, and I mean any competent Sumerian translator who knows proto-Sumerian symbol languages would recognize them instantly as belonging to that group. Yes, there are only about 70 in the world now that are competent in those symbols, but all 70 (except myself) are in positions of authority at Universities or working for the NSA. So, it is intention that they are throwing us in the wrong direction.

Where there is truth there is interference from those attempting to crush it or hide it. It's likely coming from the very same regressive source that's dogged humanity (and the truth) for millennia. I extend my highest admiration and respect to you Jim for carrying out this noble work despite the interference coming from the Secrecy Industrial Complex, which is embedded it seems in every conceivable sphere of human activity. The truth must out; it is a force of nature and it must vent somewhere. This forum is truly one of the few remaining outlets where that may take place. Long may it remain!


I believe that outsiders did indeed cause this loss, and further that they knew about, or steered, a comet or other body that resulted in the lowering of mankind's intelligence over the millennium.


Yes the comet, as discussed in this thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121956-The-Why-What-and-Where-of-the-WOW--Signal). That may indeed tie into this time-frame. If I recall correctly (from somewhere), there is mention, or perhaps myth, of a comet or meteor dropping in the Indian Ocean, slated to have occurred around 7-8000BC. While it doesn't exactly correlate with the third Atlantean destruction, or indeed the Noah myth (or does it?), intriguing riddles remain in various ancient oral histories. One is the Hopi, as written in the Book of the Hopi, that records that the "third world (which could match Cayce's third destruction of Atlantis) was one of "great flourishing cities, and where there were flying boats called 'patuvota' in which people could travel in, and were used in wars." But the people became evil and warlike and their world was destroyed. "Waves higher than mountains rolled in on the land and continents broke asunder and sank beneath the seas." One wonders if these were tsunamis caused by an ocean impact of an object from space.


In fact we know that the Neanderthal had 1900 CC brains, the Boskop man in South Africa 2100 CC, and when we first started out as Cro-Magnons we had 1650 - but we are now down below 1300, (and even lower for some groups).

Cayce mentions many times the "things" or "automatons" employed by the Atlanteans for slave labour. Some were formulated (engineered) by the Atlanteans themselves and were very bizarre, having both human and animal traits. These may have given rise to our ancient myths of strange creatures like the cyclops, mermaid, or minotaur. But there were also other creatures of a more human kind, but were treated and regarded as savages: a sort of sub-human that had scarcely any human rights. I've often wondered if these sub-human "automatons" could be classified, actually, as proto-hominids, i.e. what we call Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal. I think there's a very good chance these were what the Atlanteans were using as slaves.

Thanks for the kind words. I'm a victim (actually an inheritor and proud of it) of my background. I was born poor in Florida, educated in public schools, and thus had no chance to attend the Ivy leagues of the rich. In fact, we moved so often - changed schools every year or so, that I had no chance to develop roots until much later. I thus rejected it entirely and went my own way - and never a day has passed that I am not glad that I chose that route.

I wonder if Atlantean is truly a code word for advanced human beings or if they would have been considered as sky gods if presented to the Sumerians and Hebrews? When I read reports like those from Cayce, my mind tries to automatically tie all of the connections and solve any of the puzzles extant. Which leads me into a sort of rabbit-hole of lost time, caused by my own focus. So I have to admit that I have never read Cayce, although I admire what I have heard of his work - mostly what I have heard on Dark Journalist episodes. For the same reason I have not studied Nostradamus.

I do, however, believe that Plato was speaking of the hills near Panama - on the Atlantic side, pre-canal, since they would make a much better Pillars of Hercules as they grant entry into the Pacific, or the land of Lemuria. And I have a reason for that idea:

In the reports of the second or third voyage of Columbus, written by one of his sons, there is mention of them rounding the coast of modern Panama. And they report a large city near the beach - seen from their boat - all in white, with tall spires and obvious signs of high civilization - but they don't mention people. This has been scrubbed from history, but still exists in those reports, and none have ever found it, or at least not to our knowledge. Today that area is absent roads and exists as a haven for drug operators and thieves - you might very well not come back if you try to walk through there. Those passing from South America to the States sometimes go through there - but then again the coyotes that direct them are from the same group, so they apparently get a pass. How do you disappear a city, even an ancient one?

But a White City, near Pillars, might point to what Cayce was speaking of.

[Jim_Duyer]

UPDATE on the writings from Egypt that were not proto-Canaanite. Well, interesting.
I finished the second writing carved into stone. As background, when the Sumerians speak of "mixed" they indicate (determined by repetitions and the theme) one of mixed human and sky-god blood. Not in a test tube, but certainly not willingly. Think of the Watchers who came down and took wives of whoever they wished.
This one, written 1500 years before Abraham, is by a Cain tribal member living in southern Egypt - the seat of power at that time of 3500 BC. This equates to perhaps Enoch, or between Noah and Abraham by the biblical calendars.

Here's what it says:
In older days, a young man arrived by ship. He was one of the principal ( sons/offspring/descendants) of ENLIL.
A descendant of Enlil , son of Ninurta (who was himself a son of Enlil and the agriculture god). but yoked to Enlil the bull.
A mixed offspring with forethought and understanding, and he arrived with authority (or power granted to him).

Notice that he was mixed, much like Gilgamesh, and that he came with knowledge and authority to do .... something.

So here we have the offspring of Enlil and company, mixed pre-Hebrews, in Egypt, prior to most of the Pharaohs.
Apparently they did not just persecute the Sumerians and early Hebrews but the Egyptians as well.

So, who made the pyramids? Under whose direction? We have a sky god there at the time when many of the monuments were made in Egypt.

But probably not all of them since, from my own research I believe the Sphinx to be 11,000 years old or more.

We know he was from one of the Amorite tribes that lived in Elam, Iran, near the border with Iraq, that he was from the lineage of Adam through Cain (all of this from the first message on stone that I translated) and now we have written evidence that a tribal member of what would much later become the Hebrews, had the art of writing, lived in Egypt, and all of this in 3500 BC. So we don't have to rely upon handing down oral history any longer, when we have proof that they wrote very early on.

[Mark]

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Thanks for commenting. The false flag will probably be run as the Anti-Christ, with an association to Satan, but the actual returner was known by many names through history, the first was Enlil, then Marduk, then Baal or Bel, then perhaps Yah. We have relations of these same groups living among us now. We generally call them Sir. Or Mam.

That makes perfect sense, given where we are at right now. Do you recognize the difference between YHWH and Yahweh? I wonder because you say "perhaps" when you mention "Yah". What are your thoughts on the gnostic connection to Yldeberoth? Which is also connected to some of those names that you mention above? Thank you for your time and for being present to these questions.

I totally get you shutting down your real communications on other forums and just commenting here. I'm not here all the time but I come back regularly because this space is the ONLY one where you can get consistent, informed commentary and discussion on topics of interest to the world, but of particular import to those of us who have been conducting real, immerse experimentation and research for decades.

[Jim_Duyer]

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Thanks for commenting. The false flag will probably be run as the Anti-Christ, with an association to Satan, but the actual returner was known by many names through history, the first was Enlil, then Marduk, then Baal or Bel, then perhaps Yah. We have relations of these same groups living among us now. We generally call them Sir. Or Mam.

That makes perfect sense, given where we are at right now. Do you recognize the difference between YHWH and Yahweh? I wonder because you say "perhaps" when you mention "Yah". What are your thoughts on the gnostic connection to Yldeberoth? Which is also connected to some of those names that you mention above? Thank you for your time and for being present to these questions.

I totally get you shutting down your real communications on other forums and just commenting here. I'm not here all the time but I come back regularly because this space is the ONLY one where you can get consistent, informed commentary and discussion on topics of interest to the world, but of particular import to those of us who have been conducting real, immerse experimentation and research for decades.

You know I was just looking at your comment and for the first time noticed San Marcos. I used to own some land in Canyon Lake, not far from there. Before coming to Costa Rica I lived in San Antonio for a few years. Small World.

I use Yah to avoid offending Christians. I mean Yahweh YHWY, the "I will be what I will be".

I think the Gnostics have a great amount of correct information. Here's an example from me that ties to them as well. They hated Yahweh, that much is clear. They called him a few things.
Read the NT. The part where Jesus is asked to tell which commandment are important. He names six of the ten originals and then adds one new one. Yes, it's in the book, in two of the books actually. (Mark 10: 17-20).

Here are those six, with the ones left out bracketed.
Items omitted by Jesus are bracketed:
[Thou shalt have no other gods before me]
[Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image...]
[Thou shalt not take the name of Jehovah thy god in vain...]
[Observe the Sabbath Day,to keep i tholy...]
Honor thy father and thy mother . . .
Thou shalt not kill
Neither shalt thou commit adultery
Neither shalt thou steal
Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor
[Neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor’s wife
...]

And what are the four that he leaves out? The ones with the name Yahweh/Jehovah in them.

In fact he only later mentions the Father part when he makes it clear that "his father is not their father". (Your Father [Yahweh) is not my Father [El]).

Your Father was a liar and a murderer from the beginning (only Cain fits the murderer and liar from the beginning). So he is telling us that Yahweh and Cain are the group that the Jews of his day followed - and we know that the Kenites (Cainites) of Jethro married into the family of Moses, and many scholars will tell you that they introduced Yahweh to Moses - as he says himself "I was not known as Yahweh to Abraham and Noah etc, but rather as El Shaddai" El is the creator God, Father of Jesus, and Shaddai means two mounds, and refers to a city in modern Syria where the tribes of Cain were in control.

There are two main groups of tribes of Amorites, or pre-Hebrews and Hebrews. One is the right-hand, righteous, southern tribes of the Bene Yaminites, related to Job and Enosh and perhaps Abraham, and the left-hand, evil, northern tribes of the border region between Iran and iraq originally, and closely associated with the Elamites. These were called the Simalites. All of these names can be pulled up in wakipedia.

The right-hand wrote the first portions of the Bible. We know that because Job wrote a good deal of it and his book is the earliest written based on language used and many other factors. They lost out to the more powerful left-hand group sometime after Abraham left Egypt.

Moses, of the evil ones, met Yahweh through his relatives the Cainites, and together they went on a spree to take the lands and the slaughter began. But what most won't or don't tell you is that they also became the scribes and insiders of the Temple. They were the ones that Jesus threw out and who he had to contend with, and who eventually killed him.
They also went back in and wrote additional portions of the Bible. They could not start fresh since so many copies existed, so they simply added. That's why we have two creations, two flood stories, each similar but different. And there are other parts as well.

BUT, they did not know that Job and his group, trained by the descendants of Enosh in Eden, had a method of hiding their version inside of the text. So they wrote very interesting verses that were sure to be kept safe, and meanwhile hid the truth inside of it.

Such things as Cain was a female. Able got her pregnant. Cain abandoned her daughter, who was raised by Enosh, the grandson of Adam (not Enock) to become an expert in what they call the mystery work.

That's what I have translated. And a great, great deal more - some three or four hundred pages with over a thousand translations to date. That's why it is taking me so long. But it is done - just arranging into chapters, doing my normal, nervous rewrites, and hoping to get it out ASAP.

But the God of Job, surprise surprise, is kind. He taught the people in Eden (there were two full tribes) how to write, and other things. In other words, the idea of a tree of knowledge of good and evil was written by the Cain group.
And he cared for them, and when he had to throw out both groups dues to the scandal of Cain and Able, and his hopes that it would not repeat, he guided the Job group to their new homes in the bend area of Syria, after the flood (which merely washed them down river, and they were able to save their goods in wooden coffin-like boxes, after God warned them it was coming.
This, this, is the God that has been hidden from us.

The one that murders, tells us to kill women and children, claims he is a jealous god, an angry god, etc. is Yahweh and
not El, the God of Enosh, Job, Abraham, Melchezidek and Jesus.
So they got some of it right (Gnostics).

Of course people have been killed for this knowledge, historically, and kept from spreading it (today).

And if that is not more than you ever wished to know, I have a question ... Think it will be an interesting book?

[Ernie Nemeth]

For me, this topic has given rise to my idea of little gods, the above entry emphasizes it.

These are all little gods.

Not God at all.

[Lunesoleil]

Don't know if shared in the forum. For François Brousse, author of numerous books, caught my attention with this thought. He said that in each comet there was a planet that would be discovered.
Niribu would have been attributed to many other names and why not all these discovered and hidden planets?
Imagine if we had found other planets, astrologers would eagerly use them in their prediction.

In 2012, we were talking about Niribu, Planet X, then named Némesis and history repeats itself... take the information back to the beginning...

[Jim_Duyer]

For me, this topic has given rise to my idea of little gods, the above entry emphasizes it.

These are all little gods.

Not God at all.
Well, I can certainly understand your point. I still believe in the original sayings of Jesus and by that I mean what was attributed to the original Matthew, Mark, Luke and John writings. But that's just me, personally.

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Don't know if shared in the forum. For François Brousse, author of numerous books, caught my attention with this thought. He said that in each comet there was a planet that would be discovered.
Niribu would have been attributed to many other names and why not all these discovered and hidden planets?
Imagine if we had found other planets, astrologers would eagerly use them in their prediction.

In 2012, we were talking about Niribu, Planet X, then named Némesis and history repeats itself... take the information back to the beginning...
Seems like another possibility to me. Although I go with Nibiru itself being an indication of Enlil, there could be some connection between comets and planets that we are not aware of yet. Thanks for your comment.

[The Moss Trooper]

Maybe the effects that precede Marduk's arrival, like the waterline dropping excessively before a tsunami reaches the shoreline, maybe the nature of Marduk's arrival itself could be massively damaging in ways we are not aware of......... Bare in mind, these mention nothing of Marduk himself, his form, his intentions or why he has indeed, come back.

Not long, in the scheme of things, to wait.

Indeed. Considering the nature of the times and the solar systemic response to the mounting of the galactic current sheet, increased meteoritic and asteroid strikes, the increasing heating of the planets of the solar system all presuage what has been a cyclical journey of becoming for oceanic humanity. I'm curious as to the form especially, as well as the energetic nature of this shift's apex expression. The fall and rise of civilizations, the inevitable clash of contradictory core value systems and the rising intensity of psychological emergencies on the part of a significant proportion of humanity all seem to accompany this shift.

Velikovsky's work seems more and more salient each day.


Bolding mine.

Great point Mark, indeed Velikovsky's work is where I'm at with this. I believe that there will be a massive, observable sign in our skies for days before 'Marduk' arrives, and it will be electrical in nature.

[Jim_Duyer]

UPDATE: I've confirmed that the inscriptions found in Egypt are in proto-Sumerian. But the reason that the authors (from Yale and Harvard) don't wish to acknowledge this is that they are being used to prop up an idea that the Hebrew people had an alphabetical writing system in 1800 BC, some 800 years earlier than previously thought. My discovery pushes this back to 3300 BC, but it will get no traction because they are so very entrenched in everything connected to either Egypt or the Holy Lands.
I have decided to drop that book altogether. It seems that the Christians don't like it, and the others don't wish to read about anything relating to the Biblical text, which kind of puts me out in a pasture by myself. I will work on another one, which will not relate the alternate version of the bible text hidden inside of the traditional text, but rather scoot to another side and report on the other aspects of what I have uncovered.
In closing, thanks to all for you input - very stimulating and interesting, and well-thought out.

And remember that the evidence that the Sumerians were in Egypt in 3400 BC is not new - it is documented, but the evidence that proto-Canaanite as a written alphabet existed in 1800 BC is fabricated, and can easily be refuted (if they would allow me).

[lucine]

It's very interesting to me that you mentioned Edgar Cayce because I've heard this name before in a totally different context. So, long ago I was consulting the Sumerian King's List, and since they explicitly mention exactly when the great flood happened, you can just add up all the years succeeding that, and that led to a number for the flood, something like 27K years ago from now or from 0 AD, I forget exactly. I kept entering numbers in that area to find of someone else had that date for the great flood. I found one blog post by someone who had arrived at that number by completely different calculations in the bible. He also said that he had grown up reading a lot of Cayce, and the reason he started his investigation because Cayce had mentioned 27-30k years (it's a specific number, I just don't remember now) as the year of the flood. It's just totally mindblowing that Cayce somehow knew that during his time, and then someone found independent corroboration to that in the Bible.

[Jim_Duyer]

It's very interesting to me that you mentioned Edgar Cayce because I've heard this name before in a totally different context. So, long ago I was consulting the Sumerian King's List, and since they explicitly mention exactly when the great flood happened, you can just add up all the years succeeding that, and that led to a number for the flood, something like 27K years ago from now or from 0 AD, I forget exactly. I kept entering numbers in that area to find of someone else had that date for the great flood. I found one blog post by someone who had arrived at that number by completely different calculations in the bible. He also said that he had grown up reading a lot of Cayce, and the reason he started his investigation because Cayce had mentioned 27-30k years (it's a specific number, I just don't remember now) as the year of the flood. It's just totally mindblowing that Cayce somehow knew that during his time, and then someone found independent corroboration to that in the Bible.
Thanks for your comment. I have not read Cayce, but from what I have read in reports from others, he did mention something in that 27-30K range.
I believe that there have been many periods of floods. In fact, when someone proposed the idea that there had been many forms of humanity that rose and fell into dust only to rise and begin again, I can see some agreement to that as well.
The Sumerian Kings list is a mathematical prop. They left it to their ancestors. It provides, when handled properly, the circumference of our Sun, accurate to 96 plus percentage. Another tablet of theirs gives the circumference of Venus and Sirius, also accurate to that high degree. My opinion, without evidence, is that the only reason they were not 100% in conformance with what we believe those measures to be today are due to their rather odd way of arriving at PI. It wasn't that bad, but it could have been better, and this probably threw them off.
The Bible gives us the generations. One group provides the circumference of the Earth, accurate to almost 98% and the other the circumference of the Moon, at about 96.40%. But here I know why it was not 100 - because they followed the Egyptian method of PI but rounded each operation and then came up with their answer - which distorts the results. It's fairly simply to follow along with them and discover where they were slightly off.
This begs the question - were they helped? Their texts both say that they were.
Astounding? It was to me when I uncovered it.
As to the flood of the Sumerians, this I can place in 7300 BC +- 200 years. And I can do this with accuracy based on geological evidence of the size and shape of the Persian Gulf over time. I have a map, from Sumeria, of Eden, and it is dated to just prior to the flood. If we examine the historical record, this was about the same time that the land of Doggerland, in the English Channel went under for good, and the Black Sea joined the Mediterranean, so it's probably accurate.

I'm moving along a bit faster today on publishing - I bought a template to help me lay out the print version, so things are going in a better direction.

Not that I am finally blind, but I just noticed that your language is listed as Afrikaans. I have done some research on the Dogon home, prior to their move South, back when their lands of origin were green and watered, and there is a large piece of the human heart buried in the sands of central Africa. A big chunk of our shared history seems to be missing. For sure it was dynamic and important, because I found remnants, mentions of it, in the scripts of the Aymara in Tiwanaku in Bolivia-Peru. Not that they came from Africa, but that they had some cultural exchanges and probably commercial as well, and way, way back - prior to 8000 BC.
In fact my research was so startling that nobody believed it at all - and I withdrew it from publication. Doesn't mean it isn't true, but it was bizarre - they give longitude - latitude measures on the temple walls, and they work out to the Sahara. Well, some things are just too far ahead of when we are supposed to learn them.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

He also said that he had grown up reading a lot of Cayce, and the reason he started his investigation because Cayce had mentioned 27-30k years (it's a specific number, I just don't remember now) as the year of the flood.

The date Cayce gave was 28,000BC for the event known as Noah's flood. This was the second of three destructions to befall Atlantis, and is not (in my opinion) connected to other, later flooding events.

If we're to consider Noah as an Atlantean, and a survivor of the second epoch, we can infer he was perhaps the founder and indeed progenitor of the third Atlantean epoch, and was therefore something of a mythical hero figure -- one who would be remembered and recorded by scribes and adepts of the mystery schools to be handed down the ages. The deluge or cataclysm that triggered a rise in sea levels circa 7000BC that Jim mentioned *may* have been married to, or later confused with, this earlier (but still remembered) epic of Noah.

Just airing the theory. Sorry for derail! :ranger:

The Three Atlantean Catastrophes
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=51755&d=1694187571

[Jim_Duyer]

He also said that he had grown up reading a lot of Cayce, and the reason he started his investigation because Cayce had mentioned 27-30k years (it's a specific number, I just don't remember now) as the year of the flood.

The date Cayce gave was 28,000BC for the event known as Noah's flood. This was the second of three destructions to befall Atlantis, and is not (in my opinion) connected to other, later flooding events.

If we're to consider Noah as an Atlantean, and a survivor of the second epoch, we can infer he was perhaps the founder and indeed progenitor of the third Atlantean epoch, and was therefore something of a mythical hero figure -- one who would be remembered and recorded by scribes and adepts of the mystery schools to be handed down the ages. The deluge or cataclysm that triggered a rise in sea levels circa 7000BC that Jim mentioned *may* have been married to, or later confused with, this earlier (but still remembered) epic of Noah.

Just airing the theory. Sorry for derail! :ranger:

The Three Atlantean Catastrophes
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=51755&d=1694187571

I followed your suggested link. Was there writing in 28,000 BC to allow the story of Noah to have even been passed down to us? Yes, I have found evidence of that. Was Noah and the pre-Hebrew tribes alive than? Perhaps "A" Noah, and those reports were guarded and passed down in writing. We haven't found them, but lack of evidence is not evidence of lack. If Noah or someone like him had been around in 28,000 BC or so, they would have been in the region of southern Russia or modern Georgia. We have traces of them back to 12,000 BC, but the fierce ice sheets could have covered up other traces that we have not found yet. Or at least not disclosed yet, since artifacts that old are generally held from us.

You've read my post that I found the name Moses in the upper Syrian area about 3000 BC, so perhaps Noah was another recycled name and there were several Noah's. I don't know to be honest.


Thanks for the information. I should mention that Noah was from the same region of the Caucasus mountains, and we know this because of his "white" hair and "shocking" eyes, with blond and blue coming to mind, as was Esau with his red hair, also first noted in that Caucasus region.

I mentioned Noah as a point of reference. I do not believe that the flood of 7300 was the flood of Noah. Mainly because that is from the visible text. The hidden text tells us that the flood was warned about in advance, that God (El) helped them relocate down below, that they were washed away and used boxes of wood to keep their goods and children dry while they floated along with the horrible flood. In other words, no Ark, no need for Noah, etc.

I don't say this - they do. I am repeating what it clearly and unmistakenly tells us - you may recall that I decided not to publish for just this reason - it is too upsetting for too many.

As to Atlantis floods back then - you will not find me in disagreement with that. In fact I most certainly do agree that there were floods and other disasters and that this led to the loss of the Arctic kingdom and perhaps Atlantis and Lemura as well. All could be true.

I merely used the flood of 7300, which is indeed recorded in maps and supported by the geological evidence, as the flood that caused the Adamic group to leave Eden for Syria and that region, which at that time was under the control of, militarily and otherwise, of Sumeria, and thus was called Sumer in the texts.
There was probably another flood about 2800 BC, and this may be the origin of the reports of the flood of Noah, but in any event, we're speaking of two main tribal groups - and each wrote part of the traditional Bible stories while one encrypted messages with a different story inside the text.

There is nothing that I can do to avoid this coming out. My template can and will be used by others than myself, and it is crystal clear in its message. We may not like it, we may not believe it, but it will still be there. All I can do is not publish what I have found in regards to those details, which I choose to do.

But to the point, you have no argument from me in re Atlantis, 28,000 and Cayce. I wish that I had his gifts.

When I read of El, a God who taught his children to read and write, who was not jealous, who killed nor ordered the killing of nobody, who walked with them and protected them, who helped them get set up in the Syria area and who they speak of in such loving terms, it adds to my enjoyment of the Bible, not takes away from it. But that's probably just me. The authors of this version were Job, Enosh and perhaps Abraham, along with their descendants.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Was there writing in 28,000 BC to allow the story of Noah to have even been passed down to us?

I don't have any knowledge of such ancient writing, but I think it has to be a given in some form. A civilization as advanced as the Atlanteans must have had a writing system.

There are a few clues in Cayce. I think it was Ra-Ta the High Priest, founder of a post-Atlantean colony in Egypt, who helped establish and promote a new language and a new form of writing that the (primitive) natives too could understand. This may have evolved into what one might called pre-hieroglyphic, or proto-Egyptian.

We may also consider that "Noah" is not the only Atlantean name to survive into modern times. According to Casey, Hermes and Ra too were Atlantean, and were the architects and builders of the Great Pyramid at Giza (long before Khufu!). Not only Cayce. Hermes is credited as its builder by several ancient scribes and scholars (one I believe was Ibn Battuta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Battuta)).

There is in fact a whole canon of names of, let's say, "advanced Atlanteans" that may have been deified by a variety of early Neolithic peoples in the places they settled after the cataclysm, and gave rise to a pantheon of familiar characters such as: Isis and Osiris, Zeus and Hera, Odin and Thor -- and who knows how many more. Their later progeny could account for certain Biblical figures with strange powers, or extraordinary lifespans, such as Enoch/Metatron, and Methuselah.

It is possible the first mystery schools sprang up around these figures, to protect and preserve the ancient knowledge and the real history of the world. According to Dolores Cannon, the Essenes (with whom Jesus was associated) was one such school; they knew of Atlantis also and called them 'the Kaloo' (phonetic), and in fact guarded one of the Atlantean crystals of power at Qumran. I conjecture that is was through these schools that the legend of Atlantis was passed down the ages and eventually reached Solon, and thereby Plato.

[Jim_Duyer]

Was there writing in 28,000 BC to allow the story of Noah to have even been passed down to us?

I don't have any knowledge of such ancient writing, but I think it has to be a given in some form. A civilization as advanced as the Atlanteans must have had a writing system.

There are a few clues in Cayce. I think it was Ra-Ta the High Priest, founder of a post-Atlantean colony in Egypt, who helped establish and promote a new language and a new form of writing that the (primitive) natives too could understand. This may have evolved into what one might called pre-hieroglyphic, or proto-Egyptian.

We may also consider that "Noah" is not the only Atlantean name to survive into modern times. According to Casey, Hermes and Ra too were Atlantean, and were the architects and builders of the Great Pyramid at Giza (long before Khufu!). Not only Cayce. Hermes is credited as its builder by several ancient scribes and scholars (one I believe was Ibn Battuta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Battuta)).

There is in fact a whole canon of names of, let's say, "advanced Atlanteans" that may have been deified by a variety of early Neolithic peoples in the places they settled after the cataclysm, and gave rise to a pantheon of familiar characters such as: Isis and Osiris, Zeus and Hera, Odin and Thor -- and who knows how many more. Their later progeny could account for certain Biblical figures with strange powers, or extraordinary lifespans, such as Enoch/Metatron, and Methuselah.

It is possible the first mystery schools sprang up around these figures, to protect and preserve the ancient knowledge and the real history of the world. According to Dolores Cannon, the Essenes (with whom Jesus was associated) was one such school; they knew of Atlantis also and called them 'the Kaloo' (phonetic), and in fact guarded one of the Atlantean crystals of power at Qumran. I conjecture that is was through these schools that the legend of Atlantis was passed down the ages and eventually reached Solon, and thereby Plato.

Thank you. I did not know that about the Kaloo, but then again I have never read Dolores Cannon.
Until sometime in 2015, I think it was, I did not believe in extraterrestrials as begin on Earth.
And to this day I have not read any of the channeled works of anyone. It's not that I don't believe them, it's that I need to be able to provide written evidence in support or at least documented symbols, else my work will fall into the category of the seers, and I have none of those talents.
Yes, there is writing in Europe from 28,000 BC - in a half dozen or more locations, and it continues down to about 7000 BC or so. In fact, that was the syllabary that helped me to develop the template that I use for the proto-Hebrew.
I have translated the earliest, to date, example that I have seen, and it is from South Africa, dated to 63,000 BC by three teams of archaeologists. It's a poem, but one that we would have a difficult time reproducing. Half is written on one side in symbols, and when you turn this artifact upside down, the same markings change into other symbols in the same language, and provide the exact other half of the message without a pause of any type. Impossible to say the least, without a computer. I believe it is the work of either Boskop Man or Neanderthal, and we have both in that area, although our scholars assure us that Neanderthal left Africa some 400,000 years ago. What a story they come up with!
No, Neanderthal man was never in Africa in that time period. It's Boskop for sure. What is not clear is if he was an Atlantis connected one or not.
When I say poem, I should also say that it is a love poem, and a quite good one at that.
The others, from 28,000 in Russia are tips on how to grow crops. Oh, wait, domesticating crops that early? Impossible. And yet there it is. The ones from Serbia are fishing tips, the ones from France are astronomical in nature.
So yes, not sure if it is Atlantis like my friend Leonard believed but it for sure is a culture that was here on Earth.
Were they humans? Perhaps. Earth-born? Perhaps. But then again, according to the early texts mankind is not from Earth originally, but was transplanted here.
Could the teachers who accompanied the first transplants to Earth have been the ones who were later called the Atlanteans? Perhaps. And they were called "gods" and "sky-gods" as well. Or the "great fathers" of the Native Americans.
Here is my take on the important part of all of this confusing mess of history. Our ancestors interfaced with a group that taught them, from the very beginning. These were caretakers, but later some went off the script and declared themselves gods and goddesses. And their half-relations and quarter-relations lord it over us to this day - believing themselves above us, and calling the shots so to speak. Few in number, great in power.
Whether we call them Atlanteans, demi-gods, or whatever, it doesn't really mean much to name them. We need to understand how our earliest ancestors dealt with them and what they had to do to survive. The Sumerians didn't, survive that is. As soon as they began writing tablets about these monsters they were sent Ki****es, Akkadians, Gutians, Elamites, Amorites, and Assyrians, until their place in history was wiped clean.
So we probably should get our stuff together, soon, and figure out how we will respond when they return in force.
And which of the visitors we can count on as allies - and contact should begin with them.
Just my opinion.

By the way. the word UR, which is where the scribe Abraham is said to have come from, is an early city
in Sumeria. It is written in Hebrew as aleph vav reah. And that translates to ge-ir, or "where the writing of the sayings and proverbs" was. Something to think about.

[Jim_Duyer]

I would like to offer a group apology for the misspellings or errors that appear to represent dyslexia in my posts. I'm just now trying to get used to my new glasses - first pair in my life. Wonderful what mileage does to one.

[Mark]

You know I was just looking at your comment and for the first time noticed San Marcos. I used to own some land in Canyon Lake, not far from there. Before coming to Costa Rica I lived in San Antonio for a few years. Small World.

Very cool! I lived in San Marcos for 14 years, just moved to San Antonio. Between the two homes, as we sold one and bought another, we lived in an Air B&B in Canyon Lake. How's that for a coincidence? :)


I use Yah to avoid offending Christians. I mean Yahweh YHWY, the "I will be what I will be".
I understand. It has become my understanding that some differentiate even more drastically between Yahweh and YHWH, referring to the familiar spelling as the Hebrew Mountain/Storm god and the consonant form as the Most High, capitalization intended. I've never heard of this differentiation until very recently and so was wondering if you acknowledge the difference or is it something that proselytizers use when faced with the argument that their storm god is not the highest form of divinity in creation.


Read the NT. The part where Jesus is asked to tell which commandment are important. He names six of the ten originals and then adds one new one. Yes, it's in the book, in two of the books actually. (Mark 10: 17-20).

Here are those six, with the ones left out bracketed.
Items omitted by Jesus are bracketed:
[Thou shalt have no other gods before me]
[Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image...]
[Thou shalt not take the name of Jehovah thy god in vain...]
[Observe the Sabbath Day,to keep i tholy...]
Honor thy father and thy mother . . .
Thou shalt not kill
Neither shalt thou commit adultery
Neither shalt thou steal
Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor
[Neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor’s wife
...]

And what are the four that he leaves out? The ones with the name Yahweh/Jehovah in them.

Ok. You blew my mind with this one. I've never noticed that before and it makes total sense.


In fact he only later mentions the Father part when he makes it clear that "his father is not their father". (Your Father [Yahweh) is not my Father [El]).

Your Father was a liar and a murderer from the beginning (only Cain fits the murderer and liar from the beginning). So he is telling us that Yahweh and Cain are the group that the Jews of his day followed - and we know that the Kenites (Cainites) of Jethro married into the family of Moses, and many scholars will tell you that they introduced Yahweh to Moses - as he says himself "I was not known as Yahweh to Abraham and Noah etc, but rather as El Shaddai" El is the creator God, Father of Jesus, and Shaddai means two mounds, and refers to a city in modern Syria where the tribes of Cain were in control.

There are two main groups of tribes of Amorites, or pre-Hebrews and Hebrews. One is the right-hand, righteous, southern tribes of the Bene Yaminites, related to Job and Enosh and perhaps Abraham, and the left-hand, evil, northern tribes of the border region between Iran and iraq originally, and closely associated with the Elamites. These were called the Simalites. All of these names can be pulled up in wakipedia.

My blown mind was further dissipated with this information and spent DAYS researching this, going to read the biblical text, looking for scholarly articles on Cain and his progeny, on the history of that region and the many tribes that you've mentioned and their interrelation. Some of that research I'd done before, but much of it was new with this new focus based upon the names you've shared here. Of course your work is legit. As a scholar myself, I pride myself on my ability to research and I have to say that your work is singular and important. I'm glad to have run across your thread and to have been able to engage on these topics that are so important in sieving off the academic and hysterical slough that has accrued across the centuries and millennia that cast these characters and stories in so much indeterminacy.


Moses, of the evil ones, met Yahweh through his relatives the Cainites, and together they went on a spree to take the lands and the slaughter began. But what most won't or don't tell you is that they also became the scribes and insiders of the Temple. They were the ones that Jesus threw out and who he had to contend with, and who eventually killed him.

I guess it follows, when you think about who Jethro and his people were and that Moses came in and basically just became their interlocuter, like Joseph for the Egyptians when the Hebrews arrived in Egypt. Is there another location or books that you've perused that speak on this deeper, or are these inferences you've made directly from the text?


They also went back in and wrote additional portions of the Bible. They could not start fresh since so many copies existed, so they simply added. That's why we have two creations, two flood stories, each similar but different. And there are other parts as well.

BUT, they did not know that Job and his group, trained by the descendants of Enosh in Eden, had a method of hiding their version inside of the text. So they wrote very interesting verses that were sure to be kept safe, and meanwhile hid the truth inside of it.

So the later additions are simpler, more direct, with no secret, hidden messages. Perhaps that comports with the difference in the origin, the different fathers, and, perhaps, the different capacities of the people involved if that was a thing as well?


Such things as Cain was a female. Able got her pregnant. Cain abandoned her daughter, who was raised by Enosh, the grandson of Adam (not Enock) to become an expert in what they call the mystery work.

That's what I have translated. And a great, great deal more - some three or four hundred pages with over a thousand translations to date. That's why it is taking me so long. But it is done - just arranging into chapters, doing my normal, nervous rewrites, and hoping to get it out ASAP.

Mind triple-blown now. 'Nuff said on that.


This, this, is the God that has been hidden from us.

The one that murders, tells us to kill women and children, claims he is a jealous god, an angry god, etc. is Yahweh and
not El, the God of Enosh, Job, Abraham, Melchezidek and Jesus.
So they got some of it right (Gnostics).

Of course people have been killed for this knowledge, historically, and kept from spreading it (today).

And if that is not more than you ever wished to know, I have a question ... Think it will be an interesting book?

Hell yes. It would be an amazing book. I think I read in later posts that you've decided not to follow through with it because there is so much resistance to the information. Which is always the case when people have been raised in lies and their virtual lives depend upon propagating those lies.

I think you should continue with the work. Self-publish it. The PTB don't have the time or the space to be killing all of the truth-tellers out there today, only to manage the illusions as best they can and I think they are getting more and more concerned about the more basic things, like living through these times themselves. I think the audience for your work is wider than you may believe.

[Jim_Duyer]

Thank you, Mark. Yes, I will publish it after all. I have figured out a way to make it readable by the majority, regardless of their beliefs. Perhaps all of the groups will find something to love and something to hate in it. Ha Ha.

Good to see that there are some thinkers out there, such as yourself and many others here on PA.

I have just finished a piece today, but it's so involved that it will take me a few days to make it interesting to the public - a lot of associations. Basically, I have translated, with success, not all, nor nearly any good percentage, but at least one of the phrasal groups from Mohenjo-Daro, in the Indus Script. It's seven characters above a figure of a lion-bull god who is in a Yoga position. And it actually connects to the Vedas very clearly - their earliest astronomy and the symbols plus others I have deciphered speak of the imaginary lines in the sky that they call Rahu-Ketu.
But in an even more interesting find, it speaks of a position for meditation. Much like the Islamic and Jews who face Mecca and Jerusalem, and the Native American and South Americans who had their divisions of the compass most favorable for meditative contemplation, this explains that facing this direction (which can be easily determined and free to all - just have to look up at night), your energy or spirit or whatever becomes more tightly aligned. It's like tuning in a radio antenna, except in the Vedic literature and Jainism - Tibetans, China, Japan, etc.

I don't anticipate taking the time to figure out all 400 symbols in Indrus Script, but this phrase is tight - 100% sure it is correct. Speaks of a mother goddess among other things. Which makes it very much pre-Hindu, but with earlier versions of the same gods. Also interesting is that it ties in with the Sumerian ideas of having moved humanity from their origin in the stars and teaching them enough to survive.

I don't know flip about Yoga, Hinduism, Vedic texts, well - you name it. But I'm learning quickly.

I'll put it up here as soon as I can smooth it out.