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scotslad
27th January 2024, 11:40
illy Carson unveils the thousands of years old secret of our existence, one that mankind has been trying to decipher for millennia. This is not just surprising, but transformative and apologies if this has already been shared elsewhere...

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Pam
27th January 2024, 12:15
Very interesting scotslad. Holographic and fractal, that is the essence of our reality in a nutshell. The interesting thing is that when you are aware of this, you can start to see it, particularly the fractal elements(at least that is my personal experience). I believe we will see the holographic principles exploited more and more by those that wish to instill fear. Actually, they already are using their understanding of this, but I'm pretty sure we will see an amping up of this.

Poopdeckpappy
27th January 2024, 13:14
I watched and can vaguely understand how a being(Possibly God) can see all, and know all as it relates to us, and how they can be the observer, the voice in your head, or your programmer, just like a computer. At one time not long ago. In desperation I called out and asked how I can make drastically needed changes in my life. A voice actually answered, "Why don't you just be the person you always wished you could be?" Simultaneously as this was said, it was like a computer program was uploaded into my brain and senses, and the instantaneous understanding was there as well. I saw a version of me doing good, being honest, helping others, being an upright person once and for all, and without hesitation I agreed. My life was instantly changed, and I was transformed immediately into this version of me, the one I always wished I could be. Been sixteen years now, and I haven't forgot, and I haven't faltered. I'm no more special than any one of you here, but yet it did happen to me. Someone took over and reprogrammed me. Please, please understand that this is in no way having anything at all to do with anything religious. Someone dished out grace that day, and brought me back, and I am eternally grateful. My truth is in my testimony, and my actions, over a prolonged period, and nothing can ever change that.

thepainterdoug
27th January 2024, 13:53
Thanks/ this was good, some of this speaks to me intuitively. i also feel that NDE people mention a good deal of this.
Some good analogies and thought pictures offered as well.
its hard to know what practical application this can eventually offer for a more positive world but I feel this is heading towards it

palehorse
27th January 2024, 14:32
Interesting, my first contact with this weird stuffs was through Brian Greene book called "The elegant universe - Superstrings, Hidden Dimensions, and the Quest for the Ultimate Theory", that was back in 1999.
I think (may be wrong) Greene was the guy who brought it into the pop culture, he is a very good writer unlikely many other physicians in the same area.

His other book "The fabric of the cosmos: space, time & the texture of reality" is even better.

He got another book named "The hidden reality: parallel universes and the deep law of the cosmos", this one I never read, so I don't know, but seems to be more in line with the video posted by the OP. (multiples universes or multiverse).

This subject is going around since the 80's if I am not wrong.


Here is Greene thesis from 1986 on SUPERSTRINGS: TOPOLOGY, GEOMETRY AND PHENOMENOLOGY & ASTROPHYSICAL IMPLICATIONS OF SUPERSYMMETRIC MODELS.

https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:624d0f65-dab9-4b1e-a2d2-dcba69a41e6e/download_file?file_format=pdf&hyrax_fileset_id=m9837a48fd2d781bf15c67ae1565d41d9&safe_filename=754596661.pdf

This subject is insanely good and extensive.

Seems like the PDF won't display, here is the direct link:
https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:624d0f65-dab9-4b1e-a2d2-dcba69a41e6e/download_file?file_format=pdf&hyrax_fileset_id=m9837a48fd2d781bf15c67ae1565d41d9&safe_filename=754596661.pdf

Ernie Nemeth
27th January 2024, 18:07
You know what fractal and holographic actually mean? Infinite.

And what is the fundamental characteristic of infinity? All is one.


What does both have in common? They say a lot without actually saying anything because of level confusion. Arguments on one level do not hold for other levels. It is infinitely easy to confuse the levels because we do not know the boundaries of the levels. The boundaries are our comprehension of Truth.


Life is a dream from which we've never woken up. We dream a life and then another, over and over.
The only way out is through.
We must stop the dreaming.

WAKE UP!



Here, again, is the creation story:

Reality abhors a vacuum.
Nothing (nil, naught, zero, no data) is abhorrent to existence.
Existence must be.

Therefore Creator always existed, exists, will exist with no beginning or end.

Creation is the thought of Creator - a mind experiment.
The thought of Creator is a single wholistic comprehensive matrix containing all that will be.
All secondary existence exists in the mind of Creator.
Universe is the plenum of reality - a substrate matrix within the mind of Creator.

There is no physical reality.

Consciousness is the gift of existence, based on the Creator's own impulses, as the summary totality of unity.
We are each created whole.

The paradox of existence is that consciousness is shared but is in fact solitary and whole. That is the mystery of life.

Each of us are All That Is. That makes us one. That makes us, me. That makes me, us. We are inseparable.
We owe our existence on this plane to the dream we all dream.

Our dreams is Reality. It has always been so.



There is another way: we could will reality while awake.
That is the goal of existence.

Secret revealed: it is inevitable.

Pam
27th January 2024, 19:18
You know what fractal and holographic actually mean? Infinite.

And what is the fundamental characteristic of infinity? All is one.

Ernie, I had never considered this before. The endless repetition of a part as a portion of whole, everything really is connected by the holographic and fractal nature. A tiny portion contains the whole enchilada! Both are basically proof of a tiny part containing the whole! That really is profound when you think of it in this way. It takes the woo-woo out of the saying "we are all one or we are all connected". It's not just us humans that share this connection it is everything, literally everything.

Once we humans get that through our thick skulls, collectively, that would change everything. Every thought, every action, ever little thing plays a role in the collective destiny of all of creation.

I know myself well enough to know I will be musing on this for days, it is particularly easy to do when working outside.

Anthony Hale
27th January 2024, 19:34
You know what fractal and holographic actually mean? Infinite.

And what is the fundamental characteristic of infinity? All is one.


What does both have in common? They say a lot without actually saying anything because of level confusion. Arguments on one level do not hold for other levels. It is infinitely easy to confuse the levels because we do not know the boundaries of the levels. The boundaries are our comprehension of Truth.


Life is a dream from which we've never woken up. We dream a life and then another, over and over.
The only way out is through.
We must stop the dreaming.

WAKE UP!



Here, again, is the creation story:

Reality abhors a vacuum.
Nothing (nil, naught, zero, no data) is abhorrent to existence.
Existence must be.

Therefore Creator always existed, exists, will exist with no beginning or end.

Creation is the thought of Creator - a mind experiment.
The thought of Creator is a single wholistic comprehensive matrix containing all that will be.
All secondary existence exists in the mind of Creator.
Universe is the plenum of reality - a substrate matrix within the mind of Creator.

There is no physical reality.

Consciousness is the gift of existence, based on the Creator's own impulses, as the summary totality of unity.
We are each created whole.

The paradox of existence is that consciousness is shared but is in fact solitary and whole. That is the mystery of life.

Each of us are All That Is. That makes us one. That makes us, me. That makes me, us. We are inseparable.
We owe our existence on this plane to the dream we all dream.

Our dreams is Reality. It has always been so.



There is another way: we could will reality while awake.
That is the goal of existence.

Secret revealed: it is inevitable.

Well said Ernie, You cannot separate the creator from the creation.

thepainterdoug
27th January 2024, 21:21
our language fails us. its a paradox. a dream can't be our reality. or its not a dream. our reality cannot be a dream, or its not reality
If reality and dream is one and the same then is just our reality. nothing to wake up from. our terminology comes from our so called reality where language came from . we then apply the word dream to our sleeping dream state as separate from our waking state

we need both unless all is one, where then we need no definition because to define something needs its other.

Violet3
28th January 2024, 10:31
the dream is that the perceived physical world is all there is or all of reality. When we think this way we are dreaming.
...The idea that the brain is just the receiver and consciousness comes from elsewhere is a very old teaching and totally makes sense to me. The hippies used to talk about 'tuning in' to frequency. These simply put things i can understand but I cant get my head around dimensions beyond the 4th.

Le Chat
28th January 2024, 13:33
illy Carson unveils the thousands of years old secret of our existence, one that mankind has been trying to decipher for millennia. This is not just surprising, but transformative and apologies if this has already been shared elsewhere...

Thanks for this. I've never heard of Billy Carson before but I like the way he presents his theories and have to say that my mind was blown when he described the sugar cube analogy...

Sunny-side-up
28th January 2024, 14:23
ou know what fractal and holographic actually mean? Infinite.

And what is the fundamental characteristic of infinity? All is one.


What does both have in common? They say a lot without actually saying anything because of level confusion. Arguments on one level do not hold for other levels. It is infinitely easy to confuse the levels because we do not know the boundaries of the levels. The boundaries are our comprehension of Truth.


Life is a dream from which we've never woken up. We dream a life and then another, over and over.
The only way out is through.
We must stop the dreaming.

WAKE UP!

Thank you Ernie Nemeth.

So if you think about it the Universe is not so big is it?


(we never woke up)
It's like we are in a stasis or an induced Coma.

If you look at the cover image of the OP Vid, the square top right with the geometric pattern, well there is a breathing exercise that puts you fully into a beyond perfect version of that pattern.
It's see a never ending, never converging but has a squashed star like object in the vastly distant center.
The balls of this image are like chrome mirrors.

Vicus
28th January 2024, 15:59
Life is a dream from which we've never woken up. We dream a life and then another, over and over.
The only way out is through.
We must stop the dreaming.

WAKE UP![/QUOTE]



(we never woke up)
It's like we are in a stasis or an induced Coma.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwhB5uCaj3Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5b0ZxUWNf0

Baby Steps
28th January 2024, 16:08
Wow – its looking like Quasi-crystal theory & observation are pointing strongly towards multidimensionality in a way that could unify Einstein with Quantum Theory.

(I wonder how time crystals fit in?)

There has been thought along these lines, check out the Kaluza Klein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaluza%E2%80%93Klein_theory) Theory:


If I have it right, they were trying to find more dimensions but concluded that since Newtonian Gravitation in macro open space recedes at an inverse square rate, the extra dimensions were not operating at the macro level, but were, instead folded up in our fundamental particles like plank scale layers.
This then suggests that particles are multidimensional but in a layered way.

Why do we search for multidimensionality?

We cannot seem to arrive at a working model for material reality without it. We see in the quantum world, particles that are ‘clouds of probability’ that respond to the attention given or not by an observer. They pop in and out of existence (challenging a 3 d conservation of energy idea), and the are acted on by unknown Forces.
Entanglement (spooky action t a distance as Einstein dismissively described it) gives us two particles that appear to be physically connected when they are at huge relative distances. You then might wonder if such entanglement might operate across the universe in the same way.

A way to explain this connection is to look at higher dimensions. Those two particles are connected in a higher dimension.
Imagine 2 d world, like a piece of paper with a stick man scientist drawn on it. Lets say you, a 3 d observer puncture the paper with a 3 prong fork.
The stick man scientist suddenly observes three separate discrete 2 d particles appearing from nowhere into his reality. He walks up to one, and taps it – they all three move in unison. The stick man scientist works out that those three particles are part of one object but connected via a higher dimension that he cannot perceive, but suspects is there.

So how can two protons be physically connected?

In the video Billy correctly says that our atoms & molecules are mostly empty space. He explains that we only experience them as physical because of the charge and forces in action, that hold this reality together. But if you could compactify the actual protons, neutrons & electrons it would be much much smaller.
This is all school level physics, but what mainstream physics has done is suggested that the components of the atom are constructed in the same way ie, tiny quarks or maybe planks, are flitting around forming the proton, and again the proton is mostly space.(this is not 100% proven)

I am suggesting that things may be different to that however. It may be that the Protons, Neutrons and electrons are not comprised of quarks etc, but are fundamental particles.
They then give us the structure for the ‘layered dimensions’ that Billy Carlson and Kaluza-Klein postulate.

Imagine a circle but with multiple concentric circles or ‘layers’, with the outermost being 3d and progressively going up the dimensions as you move inwards.
Now go back to the 2 d world thought experiment. Lets say that two protons are connected. If you push in past the 3-d layer, you get to 4-D etc. Maybe they are still separate in 4-d. Maybe they are connected at 5 or 6D. One thing. Maybe at 8-D ALL MATTER is connected into the one object.

In that way , humans and infinite other life forms may be slight perturbations in a single 8 dimensional sphere.(or maybe 11)
This single entity can pass energy from any one point to any other point instantly. This single entity houses a vast collective consciousness. Our quantum brain can decode a limited amount, but our consciousness resides on this 8-d surface, and the 3-d brain is a receiver. This receiver can broaden its signal, it can access much more .
I really like the Adinkra codes. It seems much ancient wisdom resides in east Africa amongst the Dogon.

Simulation?

He is using the language of fractals and simulation. There has been much talk that humans live in a matrix style tank and everything we experience is a simulation. So there’s a computer creating a tea cup sitting in front of me. However that is not what Billy is pointing to. Its more like the fundamental particles and dimensions are being run by code, with a set of rules or governing equation.
What happens, what grows, evolves or is made in the multi dimensions is not a simulation. It is a process enabled by the creation of those particles, or that surface.
So in modern computer games they program in physics, enabling the graphics to realistically model that enemy dropping down to the ground. But in our reality the physics governs the particles or FABRIC. But after that the reality is a play area for creators, beings, or spirits.
So here we are buried in this complex machine. Imagine how huge, significant and transformational it would be if we decoded (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97116-One-man-s-G.U.T.&p=1145971&viewfull=1#post1145971) the reality we are living in?

Yetti
29th January 2024, 02:32
You are right , to see it from this optic. What I have problem to swell yet is the part of dreams, they are very flash like situations and changing so bizarrely that is very difficult to follow the script of the movie!! is something that always intrigue me very, but I feel the reality could happens as well in dreams like this side , I say this because some times I am able to direct the dream to a zone I select or wish, and that reality just it manifest just like that, on awaken side it takes a lot more ! sort of confusing matter bro !

Ernie Nemeth
29th January 2024, 22:26
Don't think of it like normal dreaming, but it is similar. In dreams time moves arbitrarily, sometimes even backward. So, it is possible to dream eons of lives and never be the wiser - never knowing it was all a dream. Never waking up but only dreaming of waking up like a dream within a dream...

Consider that if we do live in a simulation, we must be dreaming - our bodies are held in stasis while our brains are hijacked into this illusion.
We must be dreaming, but the dream is not our own. Perhaps the dreams we dream while asleep in the simulation are our own, but they could easily also be part of the simulation.
All our reality could be nothing more than a download...

thepainterdoug
29th January 2024, 23:01
Violet 3. Is the dream that the physical world of reality is the dream? or is it better described as an illusion ?

My perception of my waking reality includes day reality, memories, daydreams, imaginings , fantasies, and night time dreaming where I leave my body.
All of it.

I believe it was Carlos Castaneda who described the brain as being a filter, sifting out the grand amount of info down to a small trickle in order for us to operate in a sane manner.

palehorse
31st January 2024, 05:07
think of it as analog x digital.

the plants I plant is not a construct of the digital world (matrix) it is so real that I grab the plant seed from another plant and the I germinate it and when time is right I transplant to the land or a larger pot and it grows as a new plant, it wasn't always there, but it is there now because I took action to make that happen otherwise it would not happen at all.

In a digital world everything is fabricated, so it can be anything, your plants doesn't need to germinate they can just pop in as a grown mature plant.

Ernie Nemeth
8th June 2024, 01:16
There is a flaw I noticed in the original Matrix. When Neo is brought in for questioning by Smith, after Morpheus gives Neo the choice of the scaffold to the roof or arrest.
Smith offers Neo a clean slate if he rats Morpheus out. Neo gives Smith the finger and demands his 'phone call'.

Smith replies with the clever line of what good is a phone call if you are unable to speak. Then something happens - the Matrix seals off Neo's mouth!

If it was so easy to erase Neo's mouth at this early juncture, why did Smith bother to fight Neo at all? He could have just stopped his heart, blinded him, or removed his arms - or head...game over


There are contradictions to the simulation theory that transcend the normal superficial approximations that pass as knowledge in today's world. If simulation theory proves to be an accurate description of reality, rest assured that consciousness would have also been downloaded. In other words, the body that housed the unique version of consciousness would no longer be needed. The only reality would be the simulation. Surely a technology sophisticated enough to house reality within a super-computer matrix would not waste resources on an expensive support system for billions of redundant biological organisms.


anyways


In a digital world, since the self is digitized, any rebel/anti-establishment type inclination or intent would not be allowed onto anyone's psyche profile to begin with.
In a simulation, there are limits, there are rules, and there is necessarily a conspiracy of an unknown reality over-arching that simulation entirely beyond the ken of the digitized self.

In a simulation, the simulation is simulated - there is no escape from within.