Now's the time for dirty tricks...

[steve_a]

Hi Everybody,

I'm sure that the aviation authorities in Europe are justified at keeping airspace clean, when it gets too dirty with ash from errupting volcanoes - it makes one wonder how they get those wonderful ariel shots of plumes of smoke and brimstone from close quarters.

But now that the majority of airports are either closed or have very few people in them, now is the time for ne'er do wells to plant bombs and the like behind the scenes, so to speak, under the cloak of no one being around to see them.

If we are to believe that Mossad planted bombs in the twin towers and building seven in New York, they will have a hay day in Heathrow with all that time to plant their best, not to mention all the parked planes on the tarmac.

So, will there be a hidden agenda? After the smoke clears, will there be a terror attack on several European airports? Will other planes be fitted with remote control devices which override pilot control? Will the authorities give the airports a thorough sweep when they open for business again? Can we even trust the authorities to do this?

So many opportunities, options and questions. It's enough to make one paranoid isn't it?

Best regards,

Steve

[Swanny]

Good points I like the way you think ;)

[Wood]

I think the ash is only a problem for jet aircrafts, because it melts inside the engines. I do not think propeller-driven planes (like a Cessna) have any problem apart from reduced visibility.

EDIT: that only answers how photos are being taken :) I agree it is a good time for some 'dirty tricks'.

[norman]

You think all too much like I do. Your alertness is good but it's a fine line we wobble over. Only goes to show how much we all need each other to balance out every trait of our individualities. I can't and won't stop being a tad 'paranoid', I 'know' it's vital. I also know that if I'm isolated on my own I will go nuts. I love the other energy that just rises above the stark staring watchtower mentality but I havn't got the knack of being both together. Mabe you have.

I've also noticed that you are a traveller back to blighty from time to time, so I can appreciate how such a thought can dig into you. I only ever made one plane trip, to Arizona, in 89, and loved it but I havn't got the bottle these days to go to a large shopping mall, never mind an airport or get on a plane.

For what it's worth, my guess is that the HAARP thing was aimed at Iceland just because the people there have the nerve to stand up and say no. But, as they say, they never let a good crisis go to waste. European airports are not at the top of my list of hunches. I'd put a cyber event and a terror incident in US above that, for now. We'll see. After having a pretty bad end to 09 ( low swineflue impact, failed Copenhagen slam-dunk), the 'dark' side, after a retrench into a Christmas Day 'special' are bound to be coming back on strong again by now. I just don't think Europe is in their sights right now, other than as an economic melting pot.

[Luke]

Wait for today/tomorrow events. With so many leaders/crowned heads heading for Krakow for PL President's funeral, it's a golden opportunity for some "accidents". Many of them might be flying. For now airports are closed here too, but we'll see how situation develops.

[Sunny d]

http://www.argusoog.org/?p=9032

Interesting read in Dutch:confused:( its worth the afford to translate)

[steve_a]

Hi Sunny,

I sniffed around the internet and it seems that pilots are all agreed that flying potash is not a very safe thing to have entering their turbine engines. However, we all know that politicians never let a crisis go to waste and I'm almost sure (ambiguous sure if you didn't notice) that all these closed airports will not go unused. It's just a case of fathoming out 'what'.

Best regards,

Steve



http://www.argusoog.org/?p=9032

Interesting read in Dutch:confused:( its worth the afford to translate)

[Fina]

Steve- been thinking along similar lines too.

Remember the famous quote: "Now is a good time to bury bad news."
I always say to people to ignore the big 'emotional reaction provoking' 'news', and look at what all else is going on behind the scenes?

Reading a fair bit on other sites about all the sabre-rattling with Iran...

Hmm, interesting times indeed :(

[Luke]

News from Poland:shale gas drilling rights for Americans as a (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbiznes.onet.pl%2Fzloza-lupkowe-w-prezencie-dla-amerykanow%2C18567%2C3210204%2C1%2Cprasa-detal&sl=pl&tl=en) gift .. one of the little things public didn't noticed...

[Operator]

So many opportunities, options and questions. It's enough to make one paranoid isn't it?


Hi Steve,

As always ... good post.
We may not know what is going on ... but most likely we know what isn't !
Michael Tsarion said: " Don't blame the liar for selling a lie, blame yourself for buying into it !"

And I think that is a very important first step ...

The word paranoid is such negatively laden that people automatically will stay away from it.
But if it is true what the Hopi said, "We are the ones we are waiting for", we should be assured that we are mentally strong enough to handle this wisely and should not be 'scared' away anymore ...

As long as we know and affirm what is speculation and what is fact I think it's ok to brainstorm and handout pieces of the puzzle so that we may complete the puzzle together ...

So thank you for this piece ... let's chew on it and see where it might lead us to ...

Ohh, and b.t.w. like in 'follow the money' if via a joined effort we're able to locate where this all originated from we might be able to unraffle the agenda behind this all too.

Regards,
O.

[steve_a]

Hi Operator & everybody,

I just learnt that some airlines have sent planes into the air because, in effect, they don't agree with what the met office or the air traffic control are telling them. I understand that the ailine companies are losing millions of dolars a day. Are they also not buying the political cr@p? I know that it's a lot of money to be grounded, but seriously, is it only now that a volcano which is producing more ash than it can dispurse into the atmosphere is being deemed to be safe, when areas of Asia which are almost constantly beseiged with volcanos have been operating normally?

Please, let it be recorded in this thread and site: Beware of false flag attacks in European airports and aeroplanes over the, at least, six months.

I smell something fishy.

Best regards,

Steve




Hi Steve,

As always ... good post.
We may not know what is going on ... but most likely we know what isn't !
Michael Tsarion said: " Don't blame the liar for selling a lie, blame yourself for buying into it !"

And I think that is a very important first step ...

The word paranoid is such negatively laden that people automatically will stay away from it....

[Kikine]

lol we never know what can happen or if there is a purpose behind some events. It is always good to be aware of what ''could'' happen so thanks for the post steve.

[Snowbird]

The airlines are losing $200 million per day. It is possible that this is part of the continuing effort to dump-the-dollar.

In a Kerry Cassidy/Dr. Waterman radio interview, they sited May as being the timeframe that this will happen.

[Humble Janitor]

No time for wild theories/speculation on my part. What happens will happen. However, we can shape this reality.

[Luke]

It is possible that this is part of the continuing effort to dump-the-dollar.
Watch carefully for those preaching end of dollar. This is not how "system" works. Dollar is world's reserve currency. For it to fall, every other currency must fall too. Euro, Swiss Franc, Renmibi. Their BASE is dollar. Now, exchange rate can fluctuate wildly. There might be transfer problems. Hyperinflation. But dollar would be last to fall.

As for plane situation: I wrote about test flights yesterday (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1144-air-planes-grounded&p=10898&viewfull=1#post10898). No-fly order was based on some computer generated scenarios (guess same ones that predicted Antrophogenic Global Warming) .
Airlines are petitioning opening of airspace, but now it's bureaucrats hands. Meaning they will be playing safe, based on their scenarios, not reality. We should expect many airline bankruptcies soon, or so I think. Of course false flags are option too.

[steve_a]

Hi Everbody,

Check out this article in the Daily Mail Online. It mentions that more pilots are questioning the severity of the volcanic cloud hovering above Europe: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1266998/As-cloud-thickens-pilots-asking--Why-just-fly-beneath-it.html

In the meantime, guess what's been happening over the heads of populations without many of them knowing? : http://www.usafe.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123199666

Unlike the dust cloud, the plot thickens....

Best regards,

Steve

[Gita]

On the news they’re now saying the cloud dust is heading towards US and will get there by 7pm GMT. Do they want to shut down the airports there also? The plot indeed thickens as does the ash!

[Gita]

Update - Royal navy will be deployed to assist stranded passengers following airspace closure! Read into that whay you will!!:eek:

Eurocontrol: 30% of European flights set to go ahead today.

Reuters: Iceland volcano still sending strong tremore.

Is it me or are the above somewhat contradictory??:confused:

[zelda]

Something is brewing.......

[steve_a]

Hi Everybody,

Not to let a thread be forgotten, I read this interesting article on the Daily Mail website.: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1268794/Remember-ash-cloud-It-didnt-exist-says-new-evidence.html

What is now brought into question is the fact that airforce pilots after manoeuvres during the same time frame of the banned commercial airline flights said the inside of their turbine engines were coated in a glass like material, probably caused by the ash. Really? Or were they lying?

Now the important question needs to be answered, "Why was there really a ban on commercial airline flights over Europe?"

This is why conspiracy theories are made. Eventually the truth will come out, I hope before anyone gets hurt.

Best regards,

Steve

[Operator]

I mentioned this before (maybe other thread, I forgot) that the moment I read that the military was confirming damage by the ash cloud:

1. Why was the military up in the airspace ?
2. Military announcements are very hard to verify ... made up to convince people that some threat was up there ?

I guess my intuition was right ...

I listened yesterday to a coast to coast broadcast of Jan 1st 2010 ... psychics making predictions ... some of them already happened ... and amongst them was also
terrorist attacks on several airports ... could this be the preparation indeed ?

[haibane]

it makes one wonder how they get those wonderful ariel shots of plumes of smoke and brimstone from close quarters.
If anything than surely NOT from on-board of a passenger plane full of passengers, right? ;-)

Not that the whole matter doesn't stink, but there may be several factors at play, just like with the 9/11, which turned out to be a multi-purpose event after all. An example: it looks like tour operators together with airlines do nothing to prevent passengers, even families with children, from getting stuck at airports, lying about flights being on schedule and such (my acquaintance's experience). Turns out right now it's probably impossible to get a flight on schedule as there's still huge queue of people still stuck at airports waiting to get to their destinations. What is likely to ensue is a backlash of law suits, which might send many airlines into bankruptcy - this is one of the theories I'm currently hearing: it is supposedly engineered to make most of the European airlines change hands for cheap, and you can bet most of the passengers' damages claims will end up being uncollectible debts once the water closes above the original airlines.

Now I'm not saying this is IT, but it may play a big part in the whole deal.

[norman]

I still think the threat is currently greater in the US than in Europe, but, it's becoming clearer to me that the whole process of news management is orchestrated at the very highest level. One of the more obvious 'tactics' is the practice of overloading the news network with deliberate crud during the time that something vital (to them) is happening.

Here in the UK last year, just before, during and for a few weeks following, the Bilderberg meeting in Greece, we were treated to an insane amount of news blitz about the so-called MPs scandals. It was utter news saturation and lock out. Nothing could have penetrated it for weeks.

I think 'they' have learned a lesson or two from 9/11. That was an operation that went quite badly wrong for them on more than one level. Their next big stunt is likely to be more bullet proof. Add to that the fact that they are moving on from foreign enemies to 'domestic' enemies and it looks more likely that poking sticks at us to provoke a trashable reactive 'opposition' is where they are heading. I think that potential is hottest in the US right now, hence the reason I think the US is where the greatest danger is.

Even more likely, in my opinion, is a false flag internet event (unless they still calculate that the net is worth more as a fire-starter than the 'cost' of it in terms of the awaking of the truth). In that sense, even though I believe Alex Jones is a genuine good guy with no 'chain of command' controlling him, he is still, at this point serving a purpose for the dark side. He's effectively stoking the fire for them. In a sense, he's actually a 'patsy'. I've no doubt at all that if/when the real dirt hits the fan, he will vanish from the web and airwaves faster than a bullet.

To return directly to the OP, over the last several years, air travel, airports and 'inter-nationalism' have been successfully 'demonised'. One obvious upshot from that is that it's now a hair-trigger spook device that has at least as much value (to them) as the more directly overt 'terror' factor. That gives it great value as a news grid overload device. We should certainly be looking elsewhere whenever such a news jam occures.

[Peter]

Im not sure that they would take this oportunity to cause havoc by downing a couple of planes,the bankers, munitions manufactures and other war mongers have what they want in the Middle East already ,however maybe a couple of planes and blame it on Iran would introduce a new card into the oil aquasition mix
Kind regards Peter