It's What Charles Hasn't Said That Matters Most

[de rien]

I admit, the information divulged by Charles has been exciting and interesting. It has spurred many threads and lets face it, it has brought many of us here. Getting caught-up in it all is far too easy. Those who "control" Charles are fully aware of what he is doing and perhaps set the whole thing up. It is not enough for the majority to live in fear and negativity, they are after our fear as well. What better way to do so than to spill the beans on the "true happenings" and give insider information. It is a distraction from what we should be doing which is working on ourselves. Working to overcome our fear and staying in a calm, Loving and Spiritual place. That is our true fighting tool and the only one that will work against the negativity. They know this. Charles seems to be helpful in giving us this information but it is leading us away from what we really need to be focusing on.

Start a regular regime, work on connecting to your Higher Self and gaining the power within to overcome all fear. Live from the Heart, and discover YOUR own Truths. Things may get a bit scarier in the future, we need to prepare IF that does happen. If it doesn't, this work can be used to heal Mother Earth and to heal yourself. All the information we need and desire is within, lets listen, learn and use these tools to evolve.

I Love you all and I am so happy to be here with you. I am learning and working on myself too. It is a long path but we will be prepared and better unified if we move our focus onto self and if we do it NOW. I look forward to changing with you and growing our collective power.

Namaste

[norman]

The title of your thread highlights what he hasn't said but there's another dimension to things.

Compartmentalisation goes with the territory with this stuff and it's turned up here to an extent. It's not clear yet if we've all been told all the same thing. What one person thinks he hasn't said might not be what another person thinks he hasn't said.

Since Charles started posting his little answers on the answers thread there has been an atmosphere a little like a cross between a JobCentrePlus and a corporate seminar weekend. We were told he'd got a PA with him and I sense there were several 'rooms' in use throughout. Any one person here can only know what was going on from the point of view they have as an individual. If no one comes and taps you on the shoulder for a little private chat in another room you'll never know what those who were invited next door were privy to.

So, as individuals here, none of us really know what Charles didn't say.

[de rien]

Perhaps he has stated, to others, 'Hey, you need to start working on yourself and pay no attention to what I say here'. You are right, we do not know if that has been said privately. Publicly, we do know what has been said but that's not the point now is it? Interpretation is not the point either. It still all boils down to one thing; time spent reading over it all and obsessing over the next clue is time away from the most important task for Humanity and Mother Earth. Gathering knowledge from others is intelligence but gathering it from yourself is wisdom. I gently want to remind all to be cautious. Thank you for allowing me to do so Norman, I Love you for that!

[finally there!!!]

i think your spot on in what your saying,people need to just let it all go!!

[kersley]

@ de rien.
You are an amazing person, and i love you just as much. This surely is the key. We are the key to our own destiny. With our thoughts we will creat our new world of peace and love.
With this in mind. TPTB will have none of us turn up for the next planed war..
Kersley

[Vangelo]

Hi de rien,

I'd like to emphasize that piece of your message that I think is the most valuable for others who may have skimmed by it ...

"... It is a distraction from what we should be doing which is working on ourselves. Working to overcome our fear and staying in a calm, Loving and Spiritual place. That is our true fighting tool and the only one that will work against the negativity. They know this. ..."

Thank you,
Vangelo

[de rien]

Lets keep the message alive! Lets gently remind people in these forums to remember the truth, remember the path and initiate the change we can and WILL make. No matter what Charles says, it will not change what we must do. It is the ONLY task we have at hand. It's not about uncovering the truth, the truth is known and the details are not important. We have been manipulated into hurting ourselves and Mother Earth. Lets get to work and change it. Let us change it now and forever. As you read through these forums, please remind people and do so from your Heart.

-Sending Love and Courage to ALL

[Tuza]

What a totally awesome individual you are at 30. Thank you.

[greybeard]

Its what Charles hasent said that matters most
That may be true
Myself and others did ask some spiritual questions.
ie Did the 33 believe in a loving Creator/God? That was way back.
As the saying goes. The Silence was Deafening.
Now having said that, Charles has said that he prays and that he is affected by the kindness here and that is our saving grace.
So that is encouraging.

For me the Truth lies within, it is available to all who take the time to investigate.
YOU HAVE TO BE PATIENT WITH YOUR SELF.
Charles has also said we have to know who we are.

The oldest spiritual question of all time is "Who am I?"
Well its a good start to believe that you are not the body because most fear can be traced back to fear of loss of the body.
The only way you find who am I is an internal search, no one can tell you.
Search ye first the Kingdom of Heaven. Heaven is within.
Im not of any religion I have found various teachings helpful.
Christ Krishna the Buddha all said the same thing with love.
I am THAT.
So are you.
Only God is and you are That.
Waves of the Divine -- made in the Creators likeness--- energy---- vibration.
That is the Truth

Chris
Namaste

[romina]

As an observer in Charles threads, I must say I am amazed by how much people give of themselves, their point of view, their understanding of the situation ect, for a yes,no,maybe,cannot say. A lot more material has been given than received so far in this tango with Charles. Nice set of profiling can be done. Hope I'm wrong and this whole thing turns around and balances itself at the end. I'm still open to all the outcomes but with all due respect, caution comes first.

[Tuza]

What Chris just said. Thank you. I liked the way our vibrations do affect him for the better, wouldn't have had a lot of that living the type of life he has had.

I do believe I read he had to go China, to be honest I would prefer it if you didn't go but that's just mho, but if he has to will not that affect his Q and A, I mean answering questions, or is someone else going to answer on behalf with the right answers.

Yes Chris I know who my master is and just because I cannot yet see The One All I Am sitting in front of me doesn't mean I dont have a personal relationship with Him.

Love to you my friend. xxoo

[greybeard]

If I was Charles and interviewing I would be Pssssss off.
It would seem that a lot here are not very obedient or dont check back.
How often does one have to be politely told.
Dont post any more questions.
C

[Tuza]

I agree Chris thanks again.

[NinjaPhil]

@ de rien - I appreciate the thought of this thread but I'd pose the following: why does it have to be Charles or this line of thought? Why can't it be AND?

This is useful dialogue to be having and I don't see why it should have to impact any self/spiritual development or why the self/spiritual development should stop us hearing out and having a dialogue with Charles. Surely we should be able to maintain focus on both of these things?

I guess, an interesting analogy to this would be that of an Osterich with its head in the sand. It keeps it there because it knows that's where internal truth is, but ignoring the other things happening around it to focus only inwards isn't going to make it any less painful when the speeding bus hits it ;)

Personally I think there's a great deal of advantage to be had by knowing the landscape, situation and probable future as well as having that internal power and clarity. Using my above example, what if the Osterich can get the benefit of the head in sand/internal focus but also knew when the bus was coming and therefore when to run for cover. Or maybe even how to attack the wheels of the bus as it passes? The bus could be huge and fast moving but popping a tire... well hopefully you understand where I'm coming from here :)

Thanks for the inspiring post, you made me think and I appreciate that.

Phil

[Chuck]

Thanks de rien for the thread. Nice post! May I also add, IMO, that it is also how we react to what he doesn't say that matters most for us. In other words, observe our own chatter, our own voices in our head when an anticipated response from Charles does not come. Perhaps by observing our selves react predictively to a new situation ... which requires a whole new way of acting... we open ourselves to change and therefore to new potentials.

[Yoda]

Hi de rien, I have been teaching a course, for a couple of years, called "Avatar Manual". The total focus is integrating the Spirit and the mind. Things are speeding up so fast that unless one re-harmonizes with the Universe, on a daily basis, people are going to be left totally disoriented.

[greybeard]

@ de rien - I appreciate the thought of this thread but I'd pose the following: why does it have to be Charles or this line of thought? Why can't it be AND?

This is useful dialogue to be having and I don't see why it should have to impact any self/spiritual development or why the self/spiritual development should stop us hearing out and having a dialogue with Charles. Surely we should be able to maintain focus on both of these things?

I guess, an interesting analogy to this would be that of an Osterich with its head in the sand. It keeps it there because it knows that's where internal truth is, but ignoring the other things happening around it to focus only inwards isn't going to make it any less painful when the speeding bus hits it ;)

Personally I think there's a great deal of advantage to be had by knowing the landscape, situation and probable future as well as having that internal power and clarity. Using my above example, what if the Osterich can get the benefit of the head in sand/internal focus but also knew when the bus was coming and therefore when to run for cover. Or maybe even how to attack the wheels of the bus as it passes? The bus could be huge and fast moving but popping a tire... well hopefully you understand where I'm coming from here :)

Thanks for the inspiring post, you made me think and I appreciate that.

Phil

Respectfully no one here is saying dont listen to Charles.
Im saying that there is a Higher Authority, I have also said do what you can.
The higher the spiritual energy the more effective the action. Gandhi is a classic.
Mother Teresa did miraculous things in India also.
Spiritual power is developped through finding your inner strength and there after being fearless.

Chris

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[truthseekerdan]

Just wanted to point out -- There is only One Master, The Creator of this universe, and we're All One together.

[3optic]

Just wanted to point out -- There is only One Master, The Creator of this universe, and we're All One together.

Hi Dan,

I don't think the term Master in regards to Charles' employer is meant to be confused with a religious belief system.

[Hypothetical]

Love this thread. I totally agree we need to be careful not to lose our path to higher consciousness. We are souls not bodies!

BTW..the state of the union speech is about to start...would really change this forum discussion if Obama announces disclosure!

[nooneofconsequence]

Boy, I tried to read through all of the Charles interview comments before posting, but there are sooo many of them. Six evenings of reading later and after reading the comments of many people including some who posted opinions on their own web sites I am hopeful and yet concerned. There are so many good and trusting people on Avalon and in the alternative community and while I personally would want the entire world populated by the type of people who post here (and maybe that is how Rama was formed), I have learned that maturity is being able to be skeptical and still do what needs to be done. The vast majority of people are not all like me or like the alternative community... yet.

First, I have read that there are two ways to control a population: Hope and Fear

Second, there was a book published on what are called the "48 Rules of Power" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_48_Laws_of_Power

I am not saying that Bill Ryan is a dummy. He certainly is not. However, what does seem to be clear is that the person with the power (based on the 48 rules) in the conversation is "Charles". It is also possible that Bill is controllable through hope ... as we would all hope that there is a chance to reason, to be important (have value) and to affect an outcome (have impact). Whether Charles is playing it straight or not, it appears Charles has acted exactly as Bill Ryan would have wanted and expected him to act if he was on the level.

What is the best case scenario? Charles is on the level and has provided an opportunity. What is the worst case scenarion? Charles has provided false hope and a distraction while providing real information on the strength of a potential opponent to TPTB.

[TWINNICK]

I am listening to the obama thing now actually.(p.s. no et bombs dropped from what I heard!)

Back on topic, I follow the Atticus material, but I am asking and using my higher self and my divine brothers and sisters to help me seek the truth, I always want to know whats going on in my surroundings. I don't have blinkers on or a veil, I use my intuition which the creator gave to all of us.

I am not forgetting the bigger picture so to speak, we can do more than both at the same time quite well. We need to gather a lot or all info available to us to be able to discern the real story, and that includes the info that Charles is forwarding to us on this forum I think. Wade through the quagmire of disinfo with your full truth and divine light blazing brightly.

Atticus said he was a manipulator, use your own inner self to see through to the truth, if something doesn't ring true then you can tune into that feeling and practice using it to its fullest potential. There is info that has been given that one can learn from and some that must be tested considering that I believe most members here would have been doing there own research and searching for the truth already we should all have a pretty good head start on the unawake!.

I respect Bill Ryan very much, he knows a great deal as do a lot of other members here, but we still do have to use our own discernment.

This could be a moment in history as they say ( a bloody big one) and if we find out that we are taken for a ride to be deceived by all this mammoth interjection on this website we know as Avalon, well then it would have been a learning experience which is what we are here for is it not?

This is just my own point of view, I can only speak for myself in all matters because we are all sentient beings on a journey and have popped down here for a short schooling of this plane or dimension.

Charles might very well be who he says he is, and then again we don't really know him very well do we so lets give him a chance to let us get to know the real person behind the veil(if we can) and find out if we can who or what his master is and see what happens.

Buy the time I post this someone may have already said similar but it takes me a while and I thought I would keep going anyway. Be good people and don't let your selves get twisted up about all this stuff, I know its important to everybody here(crikey! they had the server upgraded with so much traffic) just keep your soul light blazing and we will work it out i'm sure. ( my fingers are tired now lol).

..Nick..

[slipknotted]

then why is things still getting worse if it was true that we all can change it sounds great and i wish that was the case but there seems to be way more to it and it's not us !

[baggywrinkle]

Surfing the slow burn or standing on moving ground.


Greetings all,

You might remember me from the old Avalon. We've been "preppers" since 2005 and neoluddites since 2007 - longer
then some and not as long as others. We were there in fall of 2008 waiting for the big kaboom which actually did
happen on October 7 of that year. It just did not happen like we envisioned it; more like a train wreck in slow
motion then a crash. My family still is upset at me for the food I convinced them to buy and put up. Never mind
that my brother bailed out of the market two days before the crash. It saved him forty grand. All our
loose cash was tucked away in consumeables -food clothing shelter. They still are. We are still eating at 2007 prices. We still light and heat our home with kerosene and see no reason to change because the train wreck is
still going on. If we only used the kerosene for lighting and switched to wood heat it would be a thirty year
supply we've got put back. We still take it seriously.

I am a nuts and bolts kind of a guy and like to think I am proactive rather than reactive.

My largest concern today is freedom from tyranny which seems to threaten on every front. In 2008 they were not
groping grandmothers and little children. My how things change in two years. We've read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
and can just about predict their next move. we read the daily headlines for subliminal suggestions which tell us
what they WANT us to do next (for example; times are hard; there could be RIOTS). I stopped participating on the
web due to concerns of being profiled. Sure, I know we are profiled anyway with our lives in the www information
cloud (did YOU use a web based tax program?) but why should I assist them by opening my mouth and removing doubt?
Everything you ever said online is archived somewhere. Could this be a reason why the quiet of the land are? Or
is it just being nonresistant?

Against this backdrop Charles shows up. I felt it was important enough to break the silence temporarily. The
quiet of the land are watching and listening. Everything that is being said or not said is measured against a litmus test;What does it mean to me. What does it mean to my family. What does it mean to my community. How does it measure
against our moral compass. Does it promote life, little kids and puppies, or does it not. (For EXAMPLE; Where would
Jesus BANK?) How is the popcicle index in YOUR neighborhood?

If it fails that test and there is nothing actionable then it is at best a waste of time. Put your heads back
down and keep to the plan. Daylight is wasting.

Thank you for your attention

[Anchor]

What a totally awesome individual you are at 30. Thank you.

Your pretty awesome yourself - even if you are substantially more than 30 :behindsofa:

[SKAWF]

in the interests of fairness, charles has spent many nights sitting at a computer reading hundreds of questions, and answering them. it was suggested by others that questions should be put to him as succintly as possible and that if they could be structered in such a way that he could give a 'yes or no' answer, it would help him get through the backlog that just kept growing and growing. also the principle of non interference applies in that information wont just be given out, the right questions have to be asked first. when we ask the question, it shows we are ready for the answer. we all saw the chaos that occured, can you imagine what would have happened if he'd started giving out knowledge from the begining?, it wouldve been carnage, there wasnt any unity in the begining. even i can see the benifits of allowing things to settle down first before begining the process in earnest. i'm also fairly confident that some who didnt have their questions answered, asked questions that were more advanced than the situation could cope with. its probably easier to say nothing at the time, and address them later. also that there (as i said) were so many questions coming from so many places that some may have got missed. (icecold being an exception to that). i do hold with the view that even if we have to work as a team later on, its no bad thing to get ones own house in order. its good for the individual, and it would also make the team stronger.
i'm engaged with the process but with reserved judgement, happy to see how it all unfolds
ttfn

[Nortreb]

Hello De Rien,
I see your point and I agree with the sentiment of your message.

But I disagree with your statement, "Charles seems to be helpful in giving us this information but it is leading us away from what we really need to be focusing on". .

I will not go into a long answer but if you read between the lines, there is alot of information for those who can prepare for a real confrontation that is very subtle. It is not the type of confrontation most are use to. Please refer to Q115. There was alot of treasure in the one sentence answer. I have read his answers and I see it as a way to shake off the "Gazillion" of BS that we have been indoctrinated with in order to give everyone a chance to step up. Peace to you.

[Anchor]

You might remember me from the old Avalon. We've been "preppers" since 2005 and neoluddites since 2007 - longer then some and not as long as others.
...
My largest concern today is freedom from tyranny which seems to threaten on every front.
...
Thank you for your attention

Baggywrinkle,

I imagine you are well remembered. Legend! It was fun working on the old forum, I still miss it. You inspired many and with posts like this you still will.

Everyone knows when their time has come to make a stand.

I think Bill has made his.

It reminds me of this film "Network" made 1976 [ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074958/ ] has it all. It is an awesome film and if anyone here has not seen it then I strongly consider that you do.

Here are two important clips - please if you haven't seen these gems at least then, watch them and tell me they don't send shivers of resonant relevance down your spine now - 30 years later!

Turn off the TV
MTN3s2iVKKI

Perceptive comments from youtubers:
Should be played on the hour every hour on every channel. Every half hour on Fox.
The most disturbing thing about this film is that when it was made, it was parody, a work of satire. Now it's f*cking reality.

"I'm as mad as Hell And I Am Not Going to take it anymore!"
q_qgVn-Op7Q

Excuse me, I'm off to shout out the window....

John..

[de rien]

@ de rien - I appreciate the thought of this thread but I'd pose the following: why does it have to be Charles or this line of thought? Why can't it be AND?

This is useful dialogue to be having and I don't see why it should have to impact any self/spiritual development or why the self/spiritual development should stop us hearing out and having a dialogue with Charles. Surely we should be able to maintain focus on both of these things?

I guess, an interesting analogy to this would be that of an Osterich with its head in the sand. It keeps it there because it knows that's where internal truth is, but ignoring the other things happening around it to focus only inwards isn't going to make it any less painful when the speeding bus hits it ;)

Personally I think there's a great deal of advantage to be had by knowing the landscape, situation and probable future as well as having that internal power and clarity. Using my above example, what if the Osterich can get the benefit of the head in sand/internal focus but also knew when the bus was coming and therefore when to run for cover. Or maybe even how to attack the wheels of the bus as it passes? The bus could be huge and fast moving but popping a tire... well hopefully you understand where I'm coming from here :)

Thanks for the inspiring post, you made me think and I appreciate that.

Phil

Ah but you said it in your own post, "Personally I think there's a great deal of advantage to be had by knowing the landscape, situation and probable future " Why do you need the answers from Charles? Do you not have them yourself? Why do you think he has the answers? Are they indeed the answers? I agree with you that knowledge is power, I do not think people should stop reading the threads from Charles either. That is not my message at all. I simply would like to remind to be cautious and to not get swept away with a beautiful distraction. Take it for what it is. Make your plans/preparedness based on yourself and your own answers, not a hidden hand. Thank you Phil for making a good point and for allowing me to clarify.

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Hi de rien, I have been teaching a course, for a couple of years, called "Avatar Manual". The total focus is integrating the Spirit and the mind. Things are speeding up so fast that unless one re-harmonizes with the Universe, on a daily basis, people are going to be left totally disoriented.


Do you do this here, on the forums? If not, that could be quite useful.

[Daedaoula]

I admit, the information divulged by Charles has been exciting and interesting. It has spurred many threads and lets face it, it has brought many of us here. Getting caught-up in it all is far too easy. Those who "control" Charles are fully aware of what he is doing and perhaps set the whole thing up. It is not enough for the majority to live in fear and negativity, they are after our fear as well. What better way to do so than to spill the beans on the "true happenings" and give insider information. It is a distraction from what we should be doing which is working on ourselves. Working to overcome our fear and staying in a calm, Loving and Spiritual place. That is our true fighting tool and the only one that will work against the negativity. They know this. Charles seems to be helpful in giving us this information but it is leading us away from what we really need to be focusing on.

Start a regular regime, work on connecting to your Higher Self and gaining the power within to overcome all fear. Live from the Heart, and discover YOUR own Truths. Things may get a bit scarier in the future, we need to prepare IF that does happen. If it doesn't, this work can be used to heal Mother Earth and to heal yourself. All the information we need and desire is within, lets listen, learn and use these tools to evolve.

I Love you all and I am so happy to be here with you. I am learning and working on myself too. It is a long path but we will be prepared and better unified if we move our focus onto self and if we do it NOW. I look forward to changing with you and growing our collective power.

Namaste

I agree with you in totality. Thank you for sharing.

I use the information Charles and his cohorts share as a catalyst.... let them show you how you prefer to be.

I choose the positive, i choose love, i choose unity, for i now know i prefer this to the way 'they' are living (in fear it seems). I love them for showing me this side of my being.
Without them i would have not awakened.. i now no longer need them. This is happening all over the world, they are loosing the needed energy, hence why they are being forced out into the open.

be in love with ALL

Namaste

[bluestflame]

it's all in how you choose to look at and act upon the catalyst you are presented with (or react)

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[Vangelo]

... First, I have read that there are two ways to control a population: Hope and Fear

Second, there was a book published on what are called the "48 Rules of Power" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_48_Laws_of_Power

I am not saying that Bill Ryan is a dummy. He certainly is not. However, what does seem to be clear is that the person with the power (based on the 48 rules) in the conversation is "Charles"....

Great link, spot on. It would seem many of us are giving power to Charles. I hope more of us are able to interpret Charles through this 'filter48'. Having said that, the real issue is whether or not Charles and his master are 'service to self' or 'service to others'.

Here are the 48 laws from the wikipedia link above:
* Law 1 Never outshine the master.
* Law 2 Never put too much trust in friends; learn how to use enemies.
* Law 3 Conceal your intentions.
* Law 4 Always say less than necessary.
* Law 5 So much depends on reputation. Guard it with your life.
* Law 6 Court attention at all costs.
* Law 7 Get others to do the work for you, but always take the credit.
* Law 8 Make other people come to you; use bait if necessary.
* Law 9 Win through your actions, never through argument.
* Law 10 Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky.
* Law 11 Learn to keep people dependent on you.
* Law 12 Use selective honesty and generosity to disarm your victim.
* Law 13 When asking for help, appeal to people's self-interests, never to their mercy or gratitude.
* Law 14 Pose as a friend, work as a spy.
* Law 15 Crush your enemy totally.
* Law 16 Use absence to increase respect and honor.
* Law 17 Keep others in suspended terror: cultivate an air of unpredictability.
* Law 18 Do not build fortresses to protect yourself. Isolation is dangerous.
* Law 19 Know who you're dealing with; do not offend the wrong person.
* Law 20 Do not commit to anyone.
* Law 21 Play a sucker to catch a sucker: play dumber than your mark.
* Law 22 Use the surrender tactic: transform weakness into power.
* Law 23 Concentrate your forces.
* Law 24 Play the perfect courtier.
* Law 25 Re-create yourself.
* Law 26 Keep your hands clean.
* Law 27 Play on people's need to believe to create a cultlike following.
* Law 28 Enter action with boldness.
* Law 29 Plan all the way to the end.
* Law 30 Make your accomplishments seem effortless.
* Law 31 Control the options: get others to play with the cards you deal.
* Law 32 Play to people's fantasies.
* Law 33 Discover each man's thumbscrew.
* Law 34 Be royal in your fashion: act like a king to be treated like one.
* Law 35 Master the art of timing.
* Law 36 Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.
* Law 37 Create compelling spectacles.
* Law 38 Think as you like but behave like others.
* Law 39 Stir up waters to catch fish.
* Law 40 Despise the free lunch.
* Law 41 Avoid stepping into a great man's shoes.
* Law 42 Strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter.
* Law 43 Work on the hearts and minds of others.
* Law 44 Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect.
* Law 45 Preach the need for change, but never reform too much at once.
* Law 46 Never appear perfect.
* Law 47 Do not go past the mark you aimed for; in victory, learn when to stop.
* Law 48 Assume formlessness.

[araucaria]

Dear friends,

Charles only mentioned that nuclear war had been off the table since ‘the early eighties’, without explaining why. If my hunch is correct, there is an extremely empowering story behind this for us today.

His comment seems to validate the Audio letters of whistleblower Dr Peter David Beter covering an 8-year period from 1974-8 (http://peterdavidbeter.com particularly letters 78 & 79). The whole series (over 1600 pages of transcripts) makes a fascinating read - totally incredible, except that every now and again he makes an accurate prediction. It’s like War and Peace (or rather Hot War pretending to be Cold War), and it culminates in the prediction that at 3 pm on Friday 17 September 1982…nothing would happen excepting the not unconnected massacres at the Sabra and Chatila camps in Beirut that same day, but including the nuclear war scheduled for that hour and only aborted at 10 o’clock that morning. This was a false flag operation in that an all-out American first strike was designed to look like an automatic response to Russian aggression.

Let me outline the salient points from this material for people who have been reading too many forum threads (smiley smile). Maybe someone else can take up from where he leaves off (worth a try).

The story is part of a 1000-year war between Russia and the Khazar ‘Jews’. In 1917, the ‘spiritual Communists’ as they called themselves, made the mistake of forming an alliance with the atheist Bolsheviks (the Rothschild faction), and the Communist revolution soon turned sour. (Cautionary tale: many Christian Russians had sat back expectantly, doing as they had been told by their clergy, who were infiltrated by the Bolsheviks, and later these people were persecuted).

It took 60 years to rid the USSR of the Bolsheviks, with the tipping point in 1953 after Stalin’s death. This was achieved through eliminating them one at a time, and replacing them with doubles. The last of the Bolsheviks were simply thrown out and mostly welcomed by their Rockefeller partners in crime in the US (a ‘communist’ equivalent to the more familiar Nazi Project Paperclip). This was another mistake – short of a mass extinction, the problem would not go away. In America the Bolsheviks soon proved too hot to handle and at some stage later in the game, the Rockefellers switched sides and made a major contribution to averting war when Nixon went to China.

My conclusion here is that without any change of heart ‘greedy wankers’ can turn out to be indispensable allies against a nest of ‘vipers’ whose involuntary motto is ‘divide and divide’. Egocentrics can never get on together for long, they all want to be in charge. The situation is further complicated by multiple infiltrations on all sides. Because after using doubles until cloning was developed, the next step was for the Russians to introduce ‘Organic Robotoids’, soon to be met by the American Bolsheviks’ ‘Synthetic Automatons’, causing political havoc every time someone was replaced by an enemy.

Nuclear war was to be the Bolsheviks’ revenge on the Russians. Although behind in terms of both technology and intelligence, they were set on going ahead anyway. The Russians were merely seeking to eradicate the ‘rabies’ of bolshevism (Beter’s analogy) – where America was like a rabid dog, but one at least partly responsible for its condition and liable to be put down. So ordinary Americans were just so much collateral damage for both sides. (Sounds like the analogy still holds today, only globally. Question: do we have a cure yet?)

Importantly, one last-minute factor that finally removed the finger from the button was the whistleblower’s own testimony, quoted on Washington radio that morning by a single journalist from the Washington Post – the PTB mistakenly thought the info had gone viral, worse still in those days, gone mainstream. Where did Dr Beter get all this power from? From his alternative community of listeners wanting to do something, and whom he had been advising to write to their congressman or bank manager asking what had happened to the gold stolen from Fort Knox in the 60s. They must have really gone to town on that letter-writing because that little show of force was enough to tip the scales: no nuclear war then or since. The Internet was still more than a decade away.

There is no ET element in this version of events, which is not to say it wasn’t there. The Russians’ plan was to put this planet in order before heading off for Venus and the stars. We also know from the likes of Tsiolkovsky that even back in the 1920s the Russian space program always had a major spiritual component. However much bigger the thing has doubtless become, Dr Peter’s testimony does seem to provide a blueprint for any Internet forum seeking to take effective action.

[CyRus]

Please allow me to interject with an observation I have made regarding the "Charles" phenomenon:
I find it interesting to note that although many people have stated their eye-colour to Charles, not once has he mentioned his. I find this rather significant,
in the sense that this perhaps is a rather personal detail to divulge.

Also, I find many of the questions infuriating! No offence intended of course, but some of them seem so banal.
I will hesitate from alluding to examples, as this could come across as a character defilement, but that is not my intention.

From my point of view, either he is testing the community as a whole to discover what we know in order to discover whether we are a "problem" or not, or he is waiting
for a particular topic to come up. As of yet, I am undecided.

What are people's opinions on this?

[youenjoymself]

although intrigued, the one thing that doesn't sit right is.... "kick them in the nuts"




not very nice.

[nooneofconsequence]

From my point of view, either he is testing the community as a whole to discover what we know in order to discover whether we are a "problem" or not, or he is waiting
for a particular topic to come up. As of yet, I am undecided.

What are people's opinions on this?

Within the list of questions he states that "this is an interview" and that he and his master are looking for allies. The question is: "What are the goals of he and his master and how is that better than the alternative for the people of earth"?

[TWINNICK]

Love this thread. I totally agree we need to be careful not to lose our path to higher consciousness. We are souls not bodies!

BTW..the state of the union speech is about to start...would really change this forum discussion if Obama announces disclosure!


Nah, he didn't disclose diddly squat about et's.........didn't really think he would, someone gave one of his puppet strings a tug and told him to just read whats on the telly prompter like a good little boy and don't upset the apple cart.

It won't come from him, it has already happened in a sneaky kind of farmed out way, you know, let the alternative media let the cat out of the bag and we can blame them if it all goes belly up.

Wait for a 5 mile wide hologram of some craft to appear in a city near you or on your telly, then they can say OH look at that, quick we must defend our selves against an invading alien race, impose martial law all over the world to control the sheeple lest they panic and we can then win the war against the invaders and rule them with a new world order. They surly must know it is for there own good, we only have the peoples best interests at heart.

YEH YEH we here at Avalon and our guests that visit this Mecca of info know better, we know who we are, we know were we are going, we know they will try and pull the wool over our eye's( or keep trying to ) and we have plenty of wisdom and enlightened members to see them coming a mile off.

No offence to anybody here, I think i get a little sarcastic when i'm tired.

..Nick..

[CyRus]

Within the list of questions he states that "this is an interview" and that he and his master are looking for allies. The question is: "What are the goals of he and his master and how is that better than the alternative for the people of earth"?

Definition of interview:
An interview is a conversation between two people (the interviewer and the interviewee) where questions are asked by the interviewer to obtain information from the interviewee. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interview)

Personally, I think it is a grave mistake to equate interview with employment. I believe many people on this forum are doing just that, and blindly throwing their loyalty about.
A healthy dose of skepticism is warranted.

We should try not to divulge too much information unjustly, rather play a game of quid-pro-quo, akin to Hannibal Lecter. =)

[Bluebird]

Waves of the Divine -- made in the Creators likeness--- energy---- vibration.
That is the Truth



Greybeard,

Just have to say - I love the phrase - Waves of the Divine

Thank you for that,

Bluebird

[sandy]

Very interesting Thread~~~Thank you

Personally I struggle with STS and STO and achieving a balance between them. As like most humans I certainly have had deep struggles in this journey. Thus life has been a roller coaster. In the past few years I have been in a chosen state of being a Hermit and going within. I live in a very small town now and have no daily support systems in place by choice. Spending 30 years previous being of STO's I burned out because of not taking care of me. I'm now taking care of me and feel contented and at peace for the most part.
The one issue that stays with me though is..................not being a hypocrite and walking my talk. As a truth seeker I will always look at all sides and decern for myself what works for me, ie being a hermit at this time, even though haunted by my not doing enough for others. I do beloeve one has to do more than pray, send energy, join consciouness, etc: from ones own space and actually get out there to assist those in greater fear.
Guess I'm not balanced enough yet to get back out in the world at large so to speak as still only talking about it and not truly doing it.
So in the interum I Thank you all for this forum and your contributions as all input is valued and helps this truth seeker on her chosen journey to oneness.
Love and Light Always/ Sandy

[Vangelo]

... Personally I struggle with STS and STO and achieving a balance between them....

Sandy, I am glad you brought up the conflict surrounding STS vs STO. I have also had the concern you voiced, but I now look at them in this way:

STS means Service to Self at the expense of others
STO means Service to Others not at the expense of self

Its funny, this has reminded me of my college days (ooooh to long ago) when I picked up a book on Ayn Rand's philosophy. The little tidbit that remains in my head is the notion that one needs to take care of self before they can be of service to others. It has been so long that I don't actually know if that is in fact her message but I believe in that point of view anyway.

Regards,
Vangelo

[de rien]

Very interesting Thread~~~Thank you

Personally I struggle with STS and STO and achieving a balance between them. As like most humans I certainly have had deep struggles in this journey. Thus life has been a roller coaster. In the past few years I have been in a chosen state of being a Hermit and going within. I live in a very small town now and have no daily support systems in place by choice. Spending 30 years previous being of STO's I burned out because of not taking care of me. I'm now taking care of me and feel contented and at peace for the most part.
The one issue that stays with me though is..................not being a hypocrite and walking my talk. As a truth seeker I will always look at all sides and decern for myself what works for me, ie being a hermit at this time, even though haunted by my not doing enough for others. I do beloeve one has to do more than pray, send energy, join consciouness, etc: from ones own space and actually get out there to assist those in greater fear.
Guess I'm not balanced enough yet to get back out in the world at large so to speak as still only talking about it and not truly doing it.
So in the interum I Thank you all for this forum and your contributions as all input is valued and helps this truth seeker on her chosen journey to oneness.
Love and Light Always/ Sandy

Sandy, You are here and you are STO. One does not have to be face-to-face to be STO. Spread your message here, there are plenty of people here on PA living in fear and giving their energy to something that does not exist and may never exist. Help is needed here too. I read on the forums that people are depressed and on an "emotional roller coaster". That is energy wasted. Help those people to understand fear and to understand it's purpose. Help them to move into a place of Love and show them, despite ANYTHING, life is to be laughed at and enjoyed. Do that right here and perhaps that will fulfill your need to give more STO.

Thank you for that post Sandy, I Love you.

[sandy]

Thank you De rein

Your feedback is acknowledged and accepted and thus I will post more often when I feel I can be of service. Your valued for your wisdom!

Love and Light Always/Sandy

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Dear Vangelo,

Thank you so much as your definitions of STS and STO definitely add clarity for me and have Truly helped.

Love and Light Always/Sandy