Observations of Flatness

[Neptune7]

I am not a flat-farther. I believe all objects in our Universe are toroidal in shape and have In/Finite dimensions. This means that all dimensions on Gaia have to be both Infinite and Finite at the same time. This post aims to introduce a explanation for the strangeness of our Moon as described in this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123031-Does-the-Moon-rotate-on-its-Axis-Tesla-says-No-NASA-says-Yes.-What-say-you).

No argument used by the flat-earthers makes sense to me, except for the observations of flatness. These observations include i) the famous videos of boaters on Lake Michigan using advanced telescoping lenses to observe the shoreline of Chicago from far too long a distance, and ii) photographs from planes and space vehicles that appear to show a flat horizon that should be curved.

Again, I am not arguing for a flat earth. Edge theory (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123005-Introducing-Edge-Theory.-It-s-like-String-theory-except...) seems to suggest that the In/finite dimensions duality would cause these observations of flatness from within Gaia's toroidal field.

Imagine taking this shape:
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and pressing it flat. Now imagine that twisting Gaia's shape flat, as required by the In/finite dimensions duality embedded in Edge theory, would affect our perception of the curvature of the SoLunar toroidal field.

If the Sun & Moon are the poles of the SoLunar toroidal field, then the axis between them, as seen in Edge theory I linked above, would appear bent and twisted as a result of 'embedding' In/finite dimensions in Gaia's toroidal field. This - could - cause us to view one pole, the Sun, edge on while we - could - view the other pole, the Moon, pole on, which does lead, under Edge theory, to an explanation of all anomalous observations of the Moon.

Thoughts? I would especially appreciate any references to documented observations of flatness or observations that contradict this thesis.

[ExomatrixTV]

Just in case "Flat Earthers" are drawn (sucked into) to the title of this Project Avalon Forum thread, they can study:


The "Flat Earth" PsyOp (John B. Wells' Brilliant Take!) (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95559-The-Flat-Earth-PsyOp--and-John-B.-Wells-brilliant-take-)

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Rizotto]

Doesn't the refraction of light explains why some objects are seen from a huge distance? Does light's dual behaviour as particle and wave explains refraction and infinite reach?
I haven't yet seen the following video, but it could add another angle to this thread:


"The everyday stuff called matter turns out to be both more fascinating and stranger than we usually assume. In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon ask just what matter is, beginning with contemporary ideas from quantum physics, in which matter is frozen light, as the physicist David Bohm put it. They consider the relationship between matter and gravity, as well as matter and ancient notions of potentiality, which turn out to be surprising relevant today. The differences between quantity and quality offer another conversational thread, with the discussion also drawing in wider questions, such as the nature of matter within the philosophy of panpsychism, and also the etymological links between matter and mater, or mother, revealing factors about material of which most are unconscious today."

Matter is Frozen Light: Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogue 86

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq-L3VCSnwU

[Inversion]

Sungazing somehow allows the body to take in nutrients. If photons are beings, then they absorb consciousness. Mark Richard's wife Jo Ann described a race that's one dimensional and they're called Flatlanders. Unfortunately, that video (aDRYJI7o5hA) is no longer available.

Encounter in the Pleiades: An Inside Look at UFO’s (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114560-Peter-Moon-Books&p=1432028&viewfull=1#post1432028)

P55. Magnetism is an intrinsic factor in the creation of matter. Everything we see in the world is magnetized light which is a distortion of pure light. When the Eldridge was demagnetized the particles of matter became waves and the ship was gone.

The Law of One (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11889-The-Law-of-One&p=1383438&viewfull=1#post1383438)

S54/P30. The nature of all energy is light. The origin of all energy is the action of free will upon love.

S64/P98. There is no other material except light.

S78/P26. The first distortion is free will, the second is love & third is light.

[Neptune7]

Doesn't the refraction of light explains why some objects are seen from a huge distance? Does light's dual behaviour as particle and wave explains refraction and infinite reach?

As far as I have seen, no. The arguments for refraction, or the mirage effect, have not worked out. It appears so far as a genuine anomaly. Open to be shown wrong if anyone can provide a link or argument for refraction.

[Akasha]

Hate to quote Wiki but it isn't saying anything controversial this time: Atmospheric Refraction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction#:~:text=On%20the%20horizon%2C%20refraction%20is,be%20entirely%20below%20the%2 0horizon.)

[Denise/Dizi]

Sungazing somehow allows the body to take in nutrients. If photons are beings, then they absorb consciousness. Mark Richard's wife Jo Ann described a race that's one dimensional and they're called Flatlanders. Unfortunately, that video (aDRYJI7o5hA) is no longer available.

Encounter in the Pleiades: An Inside Look at UFO’s (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114560-Peter-Moon-Books&p=1432028&viewfull=1#post1432028)

P55. Magnetism is an intrinsic factor in the creation of matter. Everything we see in the world is magnetized light which is a distortion of pure light. When the Eldridge was demagnetized the particles of matter became waves and the ship was gone.

The Law of One (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11889-The-Law-of-One&p=1383438&viewfull=1#post1383438)

S54/P30. The nature of all energy is light. The origin of all energy is the action of free will upon love.

S64/P98. There is no other material except light.

S78/P26. The first distortion is free will, the second is love & third is light.

Not to derail the thread, but for those who are unfamiliar with the term "Flatlanders", it is a name that was given to city dwellers, from people whom reside in more mountainous areas. Typically the "City folk" tend to not have any nature skills, they never come to the hills prepared for weather, snow, ice, nor do they have many survival skills... As they are able to go to any corner store and buy whatever they need...

As a result of their behaviors, and lack of ability to properly survive and thrive in more rural areas, they are called "Flatlanders"... It is used as a "Slight" that people use when referring to someone they one had to help, because they couldn't handle the situation they got themselves into...

I am not a believer in the Mark Richards stories, and felt it would be appropriate to let others know what the term truly is used for... In it's real context...

[Neptune7]

Hate to quote Wiki but it isn't saying anything controversial this time: Atmospheric Refraction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction#:~:text=On%20the%20horizon%2C%20refraction%20is,be%20entirely%20below%20the%2 0horizon.)

thanks for the link.

It says: "Atmospheric refraction near the ground produces mirages. Such refraction can also raise or lower, or stretch or shorten, the images of distant objects without involving mirages. Turbulent air can make distant objects appear to twinkle or shimmer."

Also: "Atmospheric refraction distorting the Sun’s disk into an uneven shape as it sets in the lower horizon."


In other words, atmospheric refraction causes distortion in the image. The observations I have seen through high powered magnification show NO distortion at all.


Wiki also says at the bottom: "A simple approximation is to consider that a mountain's apparent altitude at your eye (in degrees) will exceed its true altitude by its distance in kilometers divided by 1500. This assumes a fairly horizontal line of sight and ordinary air density; if the mountain is very high (so much of the sightline is in thinner air) divide by 1600 instead."


Again, I have seen at least two analysis of this phenomenon that illustrate that this atmospheric diffraction can only account for a small portion of the observations I am thinking about.

N7

[Akasha]

.....I have seen through high powered magnification show NO distortion at all......

......Again, I have seen at least two analysis of this phenomenon that illustrate that this atmospheric diffraction can only account for a small portion of the observations I am thinking about.



Which high-powered magnification apparatus were you using and can you share these observations which can't be accounted for?

[Neptune7]

I haven't yet seen the following video, but it could add another angle to this thread:


"In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon ask just what matter is, ... in which matter is frozen light, as the physicist David Bohm put it. They consider the relationship between matter and gravity,"

Matter is Frozen Light: Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogue 86

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq-L3VCSnwU

It's an awesome video. My own work agrees with Bohm's intuition about light. Edge Theory III offers a specific, mathematical proof of How light Freezes and how that creates Matter. By strange co-incidence, it is the same property of the Light field, that all dimensions in the Light field are simultaneously Infinite & Finite, that creates both i). Matter, and ii) the Observations of Flatness anomaly.

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Sungazing somehow allows the body to take in nutrients.

I have observed a similar effect. As a working organic farmer, it is amazing how working out in the sun a lot takes away your appetite. You simply do not need as much food. Any idea why that is?

[Neptune7]

.....I have seen through high powered magnification show NO distortion at all......

......Again, I have seen at least two analysis of this phenomenon that illustrate that this atmospheric diffraction can only account for a small portion of the observations I am thinking about.



Which high-powered magnification apparatus were you using and can you share these observations which can't be accounted for?

I have only seen video's. The intent of the OP was to see if anyone had collected real proof. I know where to go seek it out. Will get back to you either way.

[Inversion]

Sungazing somehow allows the body to take in nutrients.

I have observed a similar effect. As a working organic farmer, it is amazing how working out in the sun a lot takes away your appetite. You simply do not need as much food. Any idea why that is?

I'm not a partitioner of sungazing. Here's what a few sites have to say. It made me think of a meditation described in The Emerald Tablets of Thoth: The Atlantean, but that seems magnetic in nature. pdf page 78 (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/The%20Emerald%20Tablets%20Of%20Thoth%20The%20Atlantean.pdf)

glasses (https://www.glasses.com/gl-us/blog/sun-gazing-benefits-and-common-risks#:~:text=What%20happens%20after%20sungazing%3F,promote%20the%20production%20of%20serotonin.)

What happens after sungazing?
Exposure to UVB, or ultraviolet B, rays from the sun promote the creation of vitamin D in the body. More vitamin D will be produced in the body whenever the skin is exposed to UVB.

Meditation is also known to promote the production of serotonin. Serotonin is a hormone that is released in response to relaxing activities, being outside, and exposure to sunshine. Meditation in general promotes the generation of melatonin, a hormone that your body uses to regulate your circadian rhythm and induces sleep.

medicalnewstoday (https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/sun-gazing#:~:text=Sun%20gazing%20is%20a%20meditative%20practice%20that%20involves%20staring%20directly, the%20practice%20of%20sun%20gazing.)

Sun gazing is a meditative practice that involves staring directly at the rising or setting sun to help focus attention and clear the mind. Proponents of sun gazing suggest that the practice provides energy and promotes healing.

There is no scientific research to support the practice of sun gazing.

However, there is evidence that the practice can be harmful. Experts agree that staring at the sun, even for a few seconds, can cause vision problems and even blindness. Such issues can occur even if an individual looks at the sun directly during a solar eclipse.

[Rizotto]

Quoting Neptune7: "I believe all objects in our Universe are toroidal in shape and have In/Finite dimensions."

But then, all observations of the sun and planets indicate they are of a spherical shape, and rotating on an axis. Why should the earth be any different.

And I wouldn't dismiss light refraction that allows to see shorelines at great distances. Especially around large bodies of water.

[Neptune7]

Quoting Neptune7: "I believe all objects in our Universe are toroidal in shape and have In/Finite dimensions."

But then, all observations of the sun and planets indicate they are of a spherical shape, and rotating on an axis. Why should the earth be any different.

And I wouldn't dismiss light refraction that allows to see shorelines at great distances. Especially around large bodies of water.

For sure the Sun appears spherical, as does the earth. The toroidal part is wrapped up on the inside. When I get sucked into an argument with a flat earther, I often say that no ancient people who lived outside ever believed the earth was flat. As you say, all we see when we look at the sky are round objects spinning and spiralling. I started this thread with the declaration "I am not a flat farther" for a reason.

We also observe Infinite & finite dimensions in space. The Infinite dimensions are seen in the measurements of the curvature of the Universe, which show none. The only way that can be, in space is curved as Einstein and my own work show, is that it is also Infinite in size. Yet we can walk across a finite room in a finite time, demonstrating finite dimensions. Another example is a 12" ruler, that simultaneously has an infinite number of infinitely thin divisions, like the Aether. That is why we do not detect the Aether in my work.

And I am not dismissing refraction, in fact I am trying to find proof one way or the other. The calculations I have seen show that diffraction cannot account for the observations of flatness. It's just an anomaly that relates to my work. Perhaps it is just refraction. I only seek proof one way or the other.

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Sungazing somehow allows the body to take in nutrients.

I have observed a similar effect. As a working organic farmer, it is amazing how working out in the sun a lot takes away your appetite. You simply do not need as much food. Any idea why that is?

I'm not a partitioner of sungazing. Here's what a few sites have to say. It made me think of a meditation described in The Emerald Tablets of Thoth: The Atlantean, but that seems magnetic in nature. pdf page 78 (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/The%20Emerald%20Tablets%20Of%20Thoth%20The%20Atlantean.pdf)

glasses (https://www.glasses.com/gl-us/blog/sun-gazing-benefits-and-common-risks#:~:text=What%20happens%20after%20sungazing%3F,promote%20the%20production%20of%20serotonin.)

What happens after sungazing?
Exposure to UVB, or ultraviolet B, rays from the sun promote the creation of vitamin D in the body. More vitamin D will be produced in the body whenever the skin is exposed to UVB.

Meditation is also known to promote the production of serotonin. Serotonin is a hormone that is released in response to relaxing activities, being outside, and exposure to sunshine. Meditation in general promotes the generation of melatonin, a hormone that your body uses to regulate your circadian rhythm and induces sleep.

medicalnewstoday (https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/sun-gazing#:~:text=Sun%20gazing%20is%20a%20meditative%20practice%20that%20involves%20staring%20directly, the%20practice%20of%20sun%20gazing.)

Sun gazing is a meditative practice that involves staring directly at the rising or setting sun to help focus attention and clear the mind. Proponents of sun gazing suggest that the practice provides energy and promotes healing.

There is no scientific research to support the practice of sun gazing.

However, there is evidence that the practice can be harmful. Experts agree that staring at the sun, even for a few seconds, can cause vision problems and even blindness. Such issues can occur even if an individual looks at the sun directly during a solar eclipse.

I have done the sun gazing thing, but only for the first 1 minutes or so after rising. My vision was 20/200 as a teenager, now it is 20/40 and I do not need glasses to read or drive, pretty rare at my age.

[TrumanCash]

I have been in outer space many times as an abductee/contactee. The earth is round, not flat. End of story/psyop.

[ExomatrixTV]

...

So if matter is "Frozen Light (https://rumble.com/v4ofrou-rupert-sheldrake-matter-is-frozen-light-sheldrake-vernon-dialogue-86.html)" ... a concept which I heard for the first time in 1991 via contactee Dr. Saskia Bosman (https://inspiradiance.nl/about-me/) in Amsterdam https://forum.verstappen.com/images/smiley_icons/hupjos.gif33 years ago long before Rupert Sheldrake (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5933-Rupert-Sheldrake) discussed it (https://rumble.com/v4ofrou-rupert-sheldrake-matter-is-frozen-light-sheldrake-vernon-dialogue-86.html) ... than it is obvious to me, we can not fully grasp what water (H2O) really is if you do not fully study all 3 phases: frozen state, liquid state & gas state!


When you study the "frozen" phase of water ... crystals (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=emoto) seems to tell us something!
Studying fluids & gas has totally different qualities, especially when there is a huge pressure involved.

The behavior of gases/liquids of other elements of the Periodic Table System (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table) also fascinating!

Shapes within shapes ... angles/fractals etc. also affect the outcome.


I remember being exited in physics class when we were observing/studying sublimation/deposition (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-sublimation-and-evaporation-Which-one-has-more-energy) processes of certain elements, skipping the liquid state completely.

You could say "gas form", symbolical speaking, represents the spiritual part and the "frozen form" the more grounded/touch/heaviness/limitations part of the elements.

If liquids/fluids are the bridges between 2 states, no wonder we are born in water ... in fluids ... and the fluid water represents life of all 3 states depending on where it is ... changing form over and over in a seemingly endless cycle.

All elements of the Periodic Table System (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table) have their own qualities when it comes to the 3 phases ... then there is the "4th phase (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123028-Plasma-life-other-plasma-evidence-NOT-explained-by-standard-plasma-science&p=1611074&viewfull=1#post1611074)" transmuting/transforming the properties of the elements.


I wonder what plasma (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123028-Plasma-life-other-plasma-evidence-NOT-explained-by-standard-plasma-science&p=1611074&viewfull=1#post1611074) symbolical speaking represents and what about electricity being KEY for a functional brain!

How does electricity relate to "light"? ... If you are in the far, far ancient times when you did not know how to create fire yet ... you saw light being omitted "out of thin air" due to electricity coming from the clouds ... thunderclouds ... a frequency that we now know how it works ... so LIGHT that appears to be created from "nothing".

All manifestations that are related to what we call "light" is related to our main "light sensor" called: "the eye" which is to many STILL a big mystery how it evolved in the so-called "evolution theory" it has at least 20 unique complex mechanisms (https://rumble.com/v3q9jqs-expelled-no-intelligence-allowed-ben-steins-full-movie.html) that are working together to produce a full functional eye ... Which even Charles Darwin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin) admitted in his 2nd book not to be "explained" that easily! ... As you can not have a "half eye" stage before it became a "full working eye" with all necessary complex components.

So our perception of "light" is completely depended on our frequency range of our eyes! (always keep that in your mind) ... If you could see the full infrared spectrum and/or ultraviolet spectrum (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-an-infrared-spectrum-and-an-ultra-violet-spectrum) like some insects/animals can ... you would call that "light" too ... so all is just perception of frequencies ... From that point of view, the term: "frozen light" is not that of a "far fetched" idea/concept.


And I did not even mention: "Biophotons (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=biophotons)", Sonoluminescence (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=sonoluminescence), Bioluminescence (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSd3vI2247o), and the real mystery of what the "3 flavors of Neutrons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TliQumwzu-c)" are.



Happening for millions of years: "Luciferase (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferase)" = FMNH2 + O2 + RCHO → FMN + RCOOH + H2O + Light ... In the reaction, molecular oxygen oxidizes flavin mononucleotide and a long-chain aliphatic aldehyde to an aliphatic carboxylic acid. The reaction forms an excited hydroxyflavin intermediate, which is dehydrated to the product FMN to emit blue-green light. Nearly all of the energy input into the reaction is transformed into light. The reaction 90% efficient >>> in comparison, the incandescent light bulb only converts about 10% of its energy into light and a 150 lumen per Watt (lm/W) LED converts 20% of input energy to visible light.

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://substack.com/@johnkuhles) 🦜🦋🌳
May 8th, 2024

[ExomatrixTV]

I have been in outer space many times as an abductee/contactee. The earth is round, not flat. End of story/psyop.

It seems, you are only responding to the forum-thread title? ... Because there is a clear disclaimer made by @Neptune7 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?52597-Neptune7) and I added a disclaimer/clarification (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123054-Observations-of-Flatness&p=1612110&viewfull=1#post1612110) too! :typing:

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Neptune7]

So if matter is Frozen Light... If liquids/fluids are the bridges between 2 states, no wonder we are born in water ... How does electricity relate to "light"? ...



1. I believe that David Bohm was the first to describe matter as Frozen light. Here is a summary of his idea on that (https://oisf.org/understanding-the-higgs-1-frozen-light-2/):

"In fact we can picture matter as ‘condensed or frozen light’. Those are the words of David Bohm, who went deep into fundamental philosophical questions about the core concepts of physics.

‘All matter is a condensation of light into patterns moving back and forth at average speeds which are less than the speed of light,’ he said. ‘You could say that when we come to light we are coming to the fundamental activity in which existence has its ground, or at least coming close to it.’
Bohm worked closely with Einstein at Princeton, but was put under pressure in the McCarthy era, and moved to Brazil, then Israel, and finally the UK. He probed the logical structure of quantum theory and developed an alternative way to look at it, and is widely considered to have been one of the best quantum physicists of all time. His approach was to insist that there had to be meaning in quantum theory and in physics as a whole – which meant developing concepts and language to explain the mathematics.

In another very evocative image, he spoke of light as a vast ocean, with matter as ripples on the surface. The world of light is primary, with us somewhere much more superficial and ephemeral. And the quest for the nature of matter in which the Higgs particle plays such a significant part is the search to understand how the surface of the ocean of light gets trapped into the ripples of matter."


In Edge theory III I hope to offer an exact explanation of how light freezes into matter. By strange co-incidence, it results from the same In/finite dimensions principle that appears to me to cause the 'observations of flatness'!


2. The 'vast ocean of light' Bohm speaks of is the Aether. Edge theory proposes and demonstrates how the Aether is the Morphogenic field of All, including Plasma and electricity.


3. Thank you very much for the comment: "If liquids/fluids are the bridges between 2 states, no wonder we are born in water.." I have never thought of that.

That's a brilliant observation John! I signed up for this Avalon forum specifically in the hope of learning things exactly like that.

N7