View Full Version : PARACAS Mummies, Green Blood and Skin, and Scholarly Deceptions of course.
Jim_Duyer
12th May 2024, 17:04
I've not been able to locate the newspaper article that mentions a Mummy taken by Rockefeller from Peru to the American Museum of Natural History, studied by dozens of scientists, and whose green blood puzzled them. It was then shipped off to Mayo clinic, because they had no idea why it was green, and it then disappears, much like all mention of the incident.
However, two years after the original archaeologist who discovered the Paracas mummies died (Tello), one of his students hand delivered another mummy to the Museum - this time with green skin! They also had red hair. She was ready for her detractors, however, since she had typed the mummies blood, and she countered questions of copper tainting the blood and making it green by showing that this example she brought still had eyelids and eyelashes! This was in 1932, so no DNA yet, but the blood was type A in one and B in the other. And until recently, nearly 100% of Peruvian natives have type O. She also hand delivered this one to Mayo, but again, no mentions anywhere of the results. BTW, that DNA would still be viable today.
Now, many American and Europeans, mostly amateurs, have tested DNA, produced enlarged skulls, etc., etc., but my personal opinion is that they, as well, are a part of the scheme to cover this up. Perhaps unknowingly.
There are many scientists who claim the enlarged skulls are the result of water on the brain, or boards applied to artificially shape the head from childhood. Great, and some probably are - as a way to copy the look of the gods, in my opinion.
However, one of the mummies was pregnant - and the child, still in the womb, had this same enlarged skull as her mother. Image of evidence below:
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Now, some say birth defect. Fine. But all of the real ones have skulls that are about 17 cm thick! Caucasion skulls are about 11, Africans as much as 13, none that thick. And this thickness matches the Boskop man found in the 1800s in South Africa, who had an astounding 22 cm thickness in the bone of the skull, along with 2000 cc brain matter, compared to our modern 1350 or so. You can't make skull bones thicker with boards.
Here are the mummified remains as found in Paracas, northern Peru and dated to 1000 BC, but probably much earlier:
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In 100 AD the locals copied a Paracas Style Mantle, of the type of cotton or alpaca mantles that were frequently buried with these mummies. Now at that time they had not yet met any Europeans (other than perhaps Atlanteans and other models of ancient humans) and so we have a few questions:
1. Why are some of the arms and legs Black, Red, Brown, White, and GREEN?
2. Why do they have six fingers and toes?
3. Were the masks designed to hide these creatures from scaring the natives?
4. Why are they portrayed as if they were cannibals? The natives of that time were not.
But if, instead of cannibals they were portraying "shape-shifters", then this would match what we see in other cultures, worldwide, as well.
I put the next image in a PDF, but it would not upload. Then I found that there is a copy on wakipedia, so take a look at the mantle above, here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Paracas_style_-_Ceremonial_mantle_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg
I have a lot more when I get the chance to locate it - it's an interesting topic.
BTW - right after Tello discovered the first mummies, Rockefeller entered the picture. In 1937, Nelson Rockefeller abruptly decided to take a three-month tour of South America, and he dropped in on Tello in Lima on May 17th, and viewed the Paracas collection at Pueblo Libre the following day. Tello asked for $12,000 to care for the mummy bundles, (45,000 Soles) but Rockefeller left him $3000 and said that if he took some back with him to the United States he might be able to raise some more money from the interest that they would attract. In the official records it says that Rockefeller took back four mummy bundles to the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC, but in Tello's personal notes he says that he took back five.
In regards to the original discovery of the Peruvian archaeologist Julio Tello of the Paracas Mummies:
Julio Tello and his team left Lima on July 24, 1934. The group included the American students Cornelius Van S. Roosevelt and Richard Cross.
Cornelius Van Schaack Roosevelt (October 23, 1915 – August 3, 1991) was a World War II veteran. He was the third child of Theodore "Ted" Roosevelt III and Eleanor Butler Alexander and therefore the grandson of President Theodore Roosevelt.
He attended the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where he was a member of St. Anthony Hall, and graduated in 1938.
For part of 1960 and 1961 he was head of the Technical Services Division of the CIA. Evan Thomas wrote that Roosevelt was the person who originally suggested the CIA project that attempted to poison Fidel Castro. Roosevelt, as a head of the CIA technical division, supervised Sidney Gottlieb, who brought a biological poison to Congo during the autumn of 1960. To friends and family, he said that his work for the CIA mainly involved creating devices to detect listening devices. He also mentioned that he took part as a subject in the CIA experiments on LSD (part of MKULTRA). Roosevelt at various times in his life worked as an electrical engineer and in the Andes as a mining engineer.
Now I have a question. A "LITTLE GREEN MAN" is analyzed by the famous Mayo Clinic in Minnesota, just two years after the event at Roswell, New Mexico, and yet none of the media made any comments about the little green men from Peru?
CIA, Rockefellers, Roosevelts, Mayo, green skin and blood, typeable DNA, A and B blood, red hair, elongated skulls - these associations are what we need further information on.
meat suit
12th May 2024, 18:09
Very intersting, I guess the skull thickness is mm rater than cm?
Ratszinger
12th May 2024, 19:48
Our Cousins Across The Sea is worth a watch maybe for the long skull stories from the south Pacific. I think you'll enjoy it even if it is a bit over the top and romanticized but you may learn some of why the long skull clans had the rep of eating humans. The south Pacific natives said there was a "PATUKO" (may or may not be spelled correctly) the long skull and he had red hair, and his tribe was notorious for capturing human red haired first born children which they preferred to eat. They referred to humans as "The Long Pig" the best of all meats. Gabi Plum did the video originally and her channel was shut down even though her documentaries were quite well received and pretty good in my opinion. There are DNA proofs shown in this throughout too that backs up many of the claims made. The Redheads part 1 and 2 may strike interest in you also. Find them all here on Peter Marsh's channel now.
https://www.youtube.com/@peterpanther10
Bill Ryan
12th May 2024, 19:53
Other threads on this fascinating topic: :thumbsup:
Elongated skulls from the Paracas culture of Peru (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50559-Elongated-skulls-from-the-Paracas-culture-of-Peru)
DNA results: the Elongated Paracas Skulls
(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94318-DNA-results-the-Elongated-Paracas-Skulls&highlight=paracas)— and also much about this on
New Brien Foerster videos (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101916-New-Brien-Foerster-videos&highlight=foerster)
Denise/Dizi
12th May 2024, 20:31
I always find it interesting, that those in the field will suggest that "binding of the skulls", does not suggest that those individuals were in any way "Different" than their fellow man, other than a torturous and deliberate deforming of the skull... At the hands of those tasked to care for them.
What makes me really scratch my head, is that no one ever writes at the bottom of any article or literature, aside from, "Perhaps in an effort to imitate the look of the Gods" or "The skulls of the Gods"... That while they're discrediting such skulls as being "Different from humanity", they ALL tend to stop short of discussin the innuendo that this would mean that there were or are actual skulls similar that "Belonged to Gods" or what we called "Gods" at that time...
They never elaborate on who those "Gods" were or even that in writing such things, they're pointing to the fact, that there are then "Gods" that had skulls of that elongated form...
In an attempt to discredit those skulls, they point to actual ideas that there are real ones.
Just kind of giggle worthy...
I removed the rest, it deserves to be on the sasquatch/cryptid threads.
Jim_Duyer
12th May 2024, 21:42
Very intersting, I guess the skull thickness is mm rater than cm?
Those goofy Americans who can't seem to manage the metric system~! You are correct, sorry, it's mm.
Jim_Duyer
12th May 2024, 21:48
I always find it interesting, that those in the field will suggest that "binding of the skulls", does not suggest that those individuals were in any way "Different" than their fellow man, other than a torturous and deliberate deforming of the skull... At the hands of those tasked to care for them.
What makes me really scratch my head, is that no one ever writes at the bottom of any article or literature, aside from, "Perhaps in an effort to imitate the look of the Gods" or "The skulls of the Gods"... That while they're discrediting such skulls as being "Different from humanity", they ALL tend to stop short of discussin the innuendo that this would mean that there were or are actual skulls similar that "Belonged to Gods" or what we called "Gods" at that time...
They never elaborate on who those "Gods" were or even that in writing such things, they're pointing to the fact, that there are then "Gods" that had skulls of that elongated form...
In an attempt to discredit those skulls, they point to actual ideas that there are real ones.
Just kind of giggle worthy...
I removed the rest, it deserves to be on the sasquatch/cryptid threads.
I've notice in the past 75 years or so the scientific records suddenly take on a Kumbaya type of tone - everyone, even if extremely different, are thought to be "well within the range of modern humanity".
How they can say that without even flinching is beyond me - a 2000 CC brain weight signifies and IQ of roughly 185-215 range - hardly what would be considered to be within the range of modern humans.
Jim_Duyer
12th May 2024, 21:51
Our Cousins Across The Sea is worth a watch maybe for the long skull stories from the south Pacific. I think you'll enjoy it even if it is a bit over the top and romanticized but you may learn some of why the long skull clans had the rep of eating humans. The south Pacific natives said there was a "PATUKO" (may or may not be spelled correctly) the long skull and he had red hair, and his tribe was notorious for capturing human red haired first born children which they preferred to eat. They referred to humans as "The Long Pig" the best of all meats. Gabi Plum did the video originally and her channel was shut down even though her documentaries were quite well received and pretty good in my opinion. There are DNA proofs shown in this throughout too that backs up many of the claims made. The Redheads part 1 and 2 may strike interest in you also. Find them all here on Peter Marsh's channel now.
https://www.youtube.com/@peterpanther10
There is an island in the Carolinas, in the South Pacific, that has original native words for the numbers 50 million and above. What did they count - the fish in the sea? Why need that high a number system for an island with less than 1000 people and not within 600 miles of another one? It just begs credulity when our scholars try to sell us on wacky explanations for things that really deserve to be further explored.
The Easter Islanders also had the large, elongated heads, at least the original natives and not the group that arrived about 1500 years ago.
Denise/Dizi
13th May 2024, 01:33
I've notice in the past 75 years or so the scientific records suddenly take on a Kumbaya type of tone - everyone, even if extremely different, are thought to be "well within the range of modern humanity".
How they can say that without even flinching is beyond me - a 2000 CC brain weight signifies and IQ of roughly 185-215 range - hardly what would be considered to be within the range of modern humans.
I wish I had friends nearby who had the same questions about the truth of our situation, that would be willing to just sit down and toss ideas and thoughts back and forth... And some actual wisdom on the topic couldn't hurt. It consumes my thoughts when I get free time...
I know one thing to be true. I have had both the Sasquatch people (or one specifically, I should clarify) as well as one Reptilian being present himself to me. (As well as many others, but I will stick to those 2 for this purpose)... And the one truth, regarless of anything that they told me, was that I couldn't be 100% certain that it wasn't deliberate technologies being used to give me the illusion that they were the real beings behind how they interacted with me. If they could appear as they did, and interact as they did, who is to say that we couldn't recreate such things?
I know what I was looking up at the time, and as such, I know that this could have been a test to see if I believed that indeed there was a T Rex standing in my house... Just as easily as it could have been the actual thing manifesting before my eyes. I only know for certain it happened.. It was what they did and said that led me to believe that they were the real deal....
So I do not in any way believe that we are alone... No sireeee... Never were, never will be....
I have an IQ of 146. And that falls within the genius level, or it did when I was tested. I scored upper 98% in the asvab tests for the military testing... And yet, I do not know what tech we have, so having an IQ means nothing if you have no data to sort through... So I still cannot ultimately say that indeed those individuals were in my presence, or that the 2 craft hovering over my home on 2 occasions were not our technologies. And THAT makes me feel stupid when a majority of the time, I like to think I have some sense of a level minded head.
But what I can say is, I do NOT believe those beings are human in any way. We share body form, and possibly some genetics. but brain function? No way, these beings are far superior in that catagory, and their minds are fully wired to do things we could never even imagine...
I hope the community would talk more about sch things... It seems to have died down, but it should be the biggest story in history.. Or at least spoken about until we know the full truth of the matter.
Could you imagine a 215 IQ? WOW....
Jim_Duyer
13th May 2024, 12:51
I always find it interesting, that those in the field will suggest that "binding of the skulls", does not suggest that those individuals were in any way "Different" than their fellow man, other than a torturous and deliberate deforming of the skull... At the hands of those tasked to care for them.
What makes me really scratch my head, is that no one ever writes at the bottom of any article or literature, aside from, "Perhaps in an effort to imitate the look of the Gods" or "The skulls of the Gods"... That while they're discrediting such skulls as being "Different from humanity", they ALL tend to stop short of discussin the innuendo that this would mean that there were or are actual skulls similar that "Belonged to Gods" or what we called "Gods" at that time...
They never elaborate on who those "Gods" were or even that in writing such things, they're pointing to the fact, that there are then "Gods" that had skulls of that elongated form...
In an attempt to discredit those skulls, they point to actual ideas that there are real ones.
Just kind of giggle worthy...
I removed the rest, it deserves to be on the sasquatch/cryptid threads.
Yes, I feel the same - mimicking the "gods" certainly encompasses the idea that there were "gods" there to imitate in the first place. Even their words in the people of Lake Titicaca (the original natives, the Aymara) the words for some of their gods translates to "the librarian from the stars", to honor those who emerged from the lake, white in skin color (unlike their coffee with creme colors), wearing white robes, and teaching them about many topics. This is identical to what we hear from Native Americans, Sumerians, Pacific Islanders, etc.
So I for one don't believe your thoughts belong in the sasquatch thread, although there is some evidence for a Yeti type creature - possibly related to these same elongated skull types - as well.
Jim_Duyer
13th May 2024, 13:41
I've notice in the past 75 years or so the scientific records suddenly take on a Kumbaya type of tone - everyone, even if extremely different, are thought to be "well within the range of modern humanity".
How they can say that without even flinching is beyond me - a 2000 CC brain weight signifies and IQ of roughly 185-215 range - hardly what would be considered to be within the range of modern humans.
I wish I had friends nearby who had the same questions about the truth of our situation, that would be willing to just sit down and toss ideas and thoughts back and forth... And some actual wisdom on the topic couldn't hurt. It consumes my thoughts when I get free time...
I know one thing to be true. I have had both the Sasquatch people (or one specifically, I should clarify) as well as one Reptilian being present himself to me. (As well as many others, but I will stick to those 2 for this purpose)... And the one truth, regarless of anything that they told me, was that I couldn't be 100% certain that it wasn't deliberate technologies being used to give me the illusion that they were the real beings behind how they interacted with me. If they could appear as they did, and interact as they did, who is to say that we couldn't recreate such things?
I know what I was looking up at the time, and as such, I know that this could have been a test to see if I believed that indeed there was a T Rex standing in my house... Just as easily as it could have been the actual thing manifesting before my eyes. I only know for certain it happened.. It was what they did and said that led me to believe that they were the real deal....
So I do not in any way believe that we are alone... No sireeee... Never were, never will be....
I have an IQ of 146. And that falls within the genius level, or it did when I was tested. I scored upper 98% in the asvab tests for the military testing... And yet, I do not know what tech we have, so having an IQ means nothing if you have no data to sort through... So I still cannot ultimately say that indeed those individuals were in my presence, or that the 2 craft hovering over my home on 2 occasions were not our technologies. And THAT makes me feel stupid when a majority of the time, I like to think I have some sense of a level minded head.
But what I can say is, I do NOT believe those beings are human in any way. We share body form, and possibly some genetics. but brain function? No way, these beings are far superior in that catagory, and their minds are fully wired to do things we could never even imagine...
I hope the community would talk more about sch things... It seems to have died down, but it should be the biggest story in history.. Or at least spoken about until we know the full truth of the matter.
Could you imagine a 215 IQ? WOW....
I would like to take a moment to reply to your comments above - they deserve it or better yet warrant it [in the sense of being both deserving and reasonable], in my opinion.
1) I wish I had friends nearby who had the same questions about the truth of our situation, that would be willing to just sit down and toss ideas and thoughts back and forth... And some actual wisdom on the topic couldn't hurt. It consumes my thoughts when I get free time...
Having those nearby who can both grasp the situation, accept its possibility without ridicule, add to the conversation in a meaningful way, and share ideas without judgment would seem to be next to impossible in the dynamics of most modern populations and population centers. However, I'm sure that it can be done - that some space can be made or is already available here on PA to do so. I would join in if asked.
2) I know one thing to be true. I have had both the Sasquatch people (or one specifically, I should clarify) as well as one Reptilian being present himself to me. (As well as many others, but I will stick to those 2 for this purpose)... And the one truth, regardless of anything that they told me, was that I couldn't be 100% certain that it wasn't deliberate technologies being used to give me the illusion that they were the real beings behind how they interacted with me. If they could appear as they did, and interact as they did, who is to say that we couldn't recreate such things?
When I read this part I had to remind myself that they are, as has been reported hundreds of times over thousands of years, shape-shifters. The very name EN-LIL is actually EN-LIL2 in the Sumerian. And contrary to what dull minded translators will assure you, En does mean "god or deity" but it also equally means "master". And Lil2 means "jestor", but in the sense of the early jestors who were considered to be shape-shifters. So yes, the truth of this has always been there, right in front of us, for eight thousand years.
3) I know what I was looking up at the time, and as such, I know that this could have been a test to see if I believed that indeed there was a T Rex standing in my house... Just as easily as it could have been the actual thing manifesting before my eyes. I only know for certain it happened.. It was what they did and said that led me to believe that they were the real deal....
Who are you going to believe - NASA or your own lying eyes? Just kidding. Yes of course they showed themselves to you in the forms that they believed would be most receptive. Just as they were gods to ancient ones, saints to later ones, ghosts to some, and little people to our Irish friends. I for one have no problem believing that this happened as you said.
4) So I do not in any way believe that we are alone... No sireeee... Never were, never will be....
Correct. Unfortunately.
6) I have an IQ of 146. And that falls within the genius level, or it did when I was tested. I scored upper 98% in the asvab tests for the military testing... And yet, I do not know what tech we have, so having an IQ means nothing if you have no data to sort through... So I still cannot ultimately say that indeed those individuals were in my presence, or that the 2 craft hovering over my home on 2 occasions were not our technologies. And THAT makes me feel stupid when a majority of the time, I like to think I have some sense of a level minded head.
You beat me, in my last test, by one point. Although in my defense they woke me at 3:30 AM to assemble to take it - not my best time. I often get angry with myself for doubting my abilities or my results. I force myself to do the same translations or work three times on three different days, just to be sure. Why the doubts? Because most of the results are so astounding and I have a difficult time believing that other scholars did not catch it. But then I realized, with time, that they might, just might, have understood, but sold themselves to the system and kept silent. Otherwise there is a pretty stupid crop of archaeologists at Yale, Harvard, Univ. Penn, Oxford, etc. So yes, doubt creeps in - but it actually, and this is the important part, it actually proves that you are one with honesty and empathy - otherwise you would ignore it as others have done, either freely or for pay.
Are you also of O negative or other RH- blood?
I took a month's vacation back in the USA six years ago - I was considering moving back there with my wife, who has never been. I walked and talked and then packed and went home. Each day among my "own" group of people that I had previously lived among, I felt as if I were from another Planet. That's what being away from the madness does - it sets you apart, mentally, from others who once were thought to be "peers".
7) But what I can say is, I do NOT believe those beings are human in any way. We share body form, and possibly some genetics. but brain function? No way, these beings are far superior in that catagory, and their minds are fully wired to do things we could never even imagine...
If I might make a suggestion - what you are searching for is not those who can discuss and agree with you but rather those who add things and disagree for reasons that they provide. I must follow what ancient man warns us of, the messages that he has left in many languages and many cultures, warning of these beings in the best way that they could, and telling us that we are, actually and simply, just "slaves for the stars". Even the modern (1930s beginning and continuing to date) messages that I have deciphered speak of nearly the same thing. So yes, not "exactly" human but of the same basic source stock. They did not have their memories wiped and were not placed on a new planet to start completely over, as we were, so of course they are ahead of us. But I have never felt that some of our earliest humans could not have compared favorably as far as intelligence. Over thousands of years our brain sizes have systematically reduced - we are, to put it plainly, becoming "dumber" over time. That's not conjecture on my part but proven fact - we rose in brain sizes until Neanderthal (2000cc), then Cro-Magnon was smaller (1700cc) down to modern man's 1350. Why? We're being fed something that acts, long-term, toward those results. We seem to be approaching some wisdom, and that's not a good thing in slaves. What did the Sumerians say about the "mixed" humanity (mixed, as in replanted on a new planet, and not "created" by those "gods") of their day? That ENLIL found their cries of pain annoyed him, so he sent the flood to destroy them and begin again with a fresh batch out of the kryogenic coolers. Rather than having to do this again, they instituted a program to shrink our mental assets.
8) I hope the community would talk more about sch things... It seems to have died down, but it should be the biggest story in history.. Or at least spoken about until we know the full truth of the matter.
PA, like all communities, are a family. Families consist of two or more individuals who chirp for attention and walk around exploring their own thoughts, much like baby chicks. Quality people are rare, as perhaps they should be - otherwise they would no longer represent quality. My suggestion for such a group, should one arise, that individual experiences be laid out in advance, so that we can then concentrate on shared generalities and try to come up with reasonable answers, no matter how unreasonable they might sound.
The absolute worst saying that I ever read was from Carl Sagan - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Nothing could be further from science or from the truth. All claims, all theories require every bit of detail available, and all are subject to qualification and further testing, to see if they still ring true.
9) Could you imagine a 215 IQ? WOW....
Yes. I imagine it would bring greater pain. Learning things, researching deeply, thinking outside the box and finally coming up with astounding results - hurts. It's linked to depression, if one has a heart, and painful because one begins to realize the large slices of life that have been wasted in trying to be "normal" or rather to conform to standards that the dull put up to restrain the others. I personally feel deep sadness for our earliest ancestors who gave their lives to pass on knowledge of a race of overlords that were present even in their times - knowing how intelligent they were from their words - and knowing that nothing they did, worked. It's frustrating because you begin to realize that it will be difficult, if not impossible, to do any better in our time. But we must keep trying. We have nothing better.
Those who despise long-winded answers need not read many of my comments - I'm not being paid by the word, but I have no brakes on my mind either.
Denise/Dizi
13th May 2024, 19:27
Thank You Jim,
I appreciate the well thought out responses...
I do absolutely agree that those with other opinions and questions can indeed propel the conversation forward, and possibly into areas where I may never have thought of. I welcome those things.
You asked my blood type. I am in one of the largest blood type populations being A+. Nothing unusual.
I will discontinue taking the thread off topic... And return to the one thing about this thread that brought me here... The bones, the skulls... The proof....
I wish that there were academics that would also have a sense of responsibility to their peers. Not those just in the field they're in, but their peers as far as their fellow man. The fact that so many individuals are finding and studying these things, and keeping it secret, and have been for so very long, points to just how deep the deception goes, and how much of a secret that they want to keep the fact that were not alone. Truly it could be likened to being a traitor to your own kind.
You and I are of like mind in many things... I hope this thread pulls out more information about more beings that have been found, and conviently tucked away for examination, only to "Disappear"... I await the day when they acknowledge that the blue people in hindu art, are very real as well, and they have proof of such.
Michel Leclerc
13th May 2024, 20:41
Jim, Denise/Dizi. Thank you for your posts. Quite an interesting conversation.
A grain of pepper, I would like to add, to the IQ motive. Are IQ levels maybe a function of (space) weather? A wise person, who once was rated 170, interestingly said that he did not always reach 170. Maybe he reached that level only when it was required. So what does a high IQ level really mean then, one wonders.
I am interested by the question of complexity. Higher IQ levels can understand higher complexities of reality. Lower levels cannot. It follows from this that an IQ test that would be able to adequately identify a 200 level for instance, cannot be created by someone with an 150 level. As the levels display a bell curve, it may even be that the higher the score is that needs to be reliably attributed the larger the intelligence difference needs to be between a person attributing the score (and/or creating the test) and a level maximum for persons to be assessed.
I happen to be somewhere in the right part of the bell curve as well, and have noticed that levels of complexity which are for me “normal” just cannot be understood (let alone accepted and/or navigated in) by persons at the left side of the bell curve. This explains largely the predicament humanity is in now. (To solve it, they created AI, but AI only uses a specific type of complexity, not the human one which “searches the Akashic records”.) I would then conclude from this, Denise/Dizi and Jim, that at your level of IQ, or mine for that matter, it is impossible to “imagine 215 IQ”.
A point which may be adduced in this connexion is the topic of dolphin intelligence – studied by John Lilly. He pointed out the complexity of communication among dolphins who seem to use body language (more than we do) and facial expression (maybe less than we do), sonar (unknown to us but maybe present), sound language (at quite different Hertz levels), and click sounds (absent in humans). All this simultaneously (as we do with our tools, but at a complexity level one step higher than ours, I would say). And – he noticed that he and his colleague scientists were unable to really understand the dolphins’ communication system. I would conclude provisionally that we will never be able to understand them (as they may us neither) so the only solution would be to devise together a new communication system for our interactions – how?
Did the Paracas people, noticing that we would never be able to understand them because their complexity of thinking was unreachable to us, both within the same type of intelligence and due to our lacking a different, higher-order intelligence natural to them, allow themselves to simply die off? Because of boredom?
The angel of Gitta Mallasz and her friends complained that we were so obtuse. The apparitions of the Virgin Mary cannot find anything better for us to do than praying the rosary (putting our dull praying sing-song on their heavenly Tik-Tok, bursting with laughter). The Paracas people knocked their nose-bridge with their sixth finger: “pff, it will never work with those humans.”
Jim_Duyer
13th May 2024, 21:44
Thank you Michel Leclerc; it's always good when you chime in with your insights.
I agree that it may be impossible for us to fully understand the position of those with 200 or so IQ, but I do believe that we can, if not identify them, at least be able to appreciate their abilities.
I once translated some markings from South Africa. A team of three archaeologists had dated them to be 65,000 years old, plus or minus. They used the oldest European form of syllabary - similar to Glozel but earlier and a bit more complicated. However, there was a twist that I did not even notice until, by complete accident, I happened to turn the image upside down when trying to work on it in Corel Paint Shop.
The top side contains a complete paragraph of message, but then it sort of pauses, or drops off. In my ignorance I assumed that part of the artifact had been lost, or the author interrupted.
When I examined it from the other side being the new "up", I found that the same markings changed into new ones - due to the direction of the symbols. And these new signs completed the other side's message very clearly and completely! The skulls found nearby measured about 1900 cc, so they would represent something like the 200s.
Imagine, without a dictionary or even materials with which to practice, crafting such an artifact that by turning it in another direction new meaning is revealed.
Later a friend who worked in Mayan glyphs showed me that if you reverse some of their symbols they also form into new glyphs with new meanings.
I am sure that I cannot adequately grasp their potential, but I do appreciate a small part of what it allows them to do.
I guess I should mention that it was a love poem, and quite compelling at that.
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