Single or with someone?

[mojo]

What is best for you? I have been single for a while and life was going by just fine but then something happened. Someone was interested in me. Now trying to find out what path to take and life just got more complicated. I watched a few videos and found out there is a lot of things to consider and Im not alone on these choices.
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[Nasu]

Drissle drissle…….x……. N

[Johnnycomelately]

Yeah what Nasu said. 2 drissles only, then cut her loose. If she comes back, ask her what’s the deal with her previous several missing hubbys, or something along those lines.

The last woman that showed interest in me, at the bar a month or so ago, pantomimed shooting me with her hand shaped like a handgun, two fingers forward. Aimed it several places on me, stepped forward and touched it against my head, then stepped back and play-fired it at my centre mass. She then declined my what I thought was a very reasonable question, ~”wut?”, so I knew that I was not the man for her.

A couple weeks before that, a different young woman kicked me in the nuts after I rejected her advances, same bar. ‘Nuff said.

I’d be willing to modify my advice, if you met her at a Star Trek convention or a grocery store. C’mon, Mojo, spill the beans! 😮🙄😎

[mojo]

That story was funny Johnnycomelately... but does point out the difficulty in meeting others... I once had a raw full turkey thrown at me ... It seemed like it was moving in slow motion after declining her in a nice way and heading out the door... that memory is seared in but she did say take that turkey with you and so I picked it up and brought it to my buddy's place to cook up, talk about eating crow...

[Sue (Ayt)]

No advice, but thanks for the great belly laugh, Mojo! Just imagining that flying raw turkey!
:ROFL:

[ulli]

I feel more sorry for guys these days than for women.

“Culture is not your friend” said Terrence McKenna, and never has this been more true than this last decade.
Never before has culture messed with women’s minds more than in this age of social media,
which in turn has men confused and upset.

The world does not need another empowered woman,
rather it needs people who understand that relationships are the basis for family life,
for the march of generations following each other, and for spiritual development.

[pyrangello]

I think the guy narrating the video in the first post needs to play ping pong for a living, he bounces back and forth like a bouncing ping pong ball in his explanation.

[Tracie (Bodhicee)]

No advice, but thanks for the great belly laugh, Mojo! Just imagining that flying raw turkey!
:ROFL:

....And eating crow (!) afterwards, no less... :cocktail: What a story Mojo! Perhaps this is what inspired your name here?

[Casey Claar]

Even if I was looking ( and I am not ), I am just WAY too different for there to be a potential partner ground level who could tolerate me. There are few who can even tolerate me as a friend ( my focus is just so different ). Aside from grocery shopping, my life routine includes nothing on the more mundane level, nothing that theirs does, and so much that exceeds a normal comfort zone that a good deal of space is generally needed between the one and the other. At this point I have no skills for it being any other way. The tolerating can go both ways. I have zero capacity for drama. This said, it would be humorous were a situation to arise.

[Mike]

Even if I was looking ( and I am not ), I am just WAY too different for there to be a potential partner ground level who could tolerate me. There are few who can even tolerate me as a friend ( my focus is just so different ). Aside from grocery shopping, my life routine includes nothing on the more mundane level, nothing that theirs does, and so much that exceeds a normal comfort zone that a good deal of space is generally needed between the one and the other. At this point I have no skills for it being any other way. The tolerating can go both ways. I have zero capacity for drama. This said, it would be humorous were a situation to arise.


I can relate to this. Made me laugh!:)

I've just allowed myself to become too weird. Between what I've learned and experienced, it's like being initiated into a strange reality that most people can't understand or cope with.

I've been with what we might call "awake and aware" women, and I guess what ya might call mainstream women. Each have their merits and demerits, in the final analysis. My preference, looking back on it all, is someone somewhere in the middle..someone who knows what's up but isn't so neurotic about it all that she won't accept a Valentine's gift because the holiday is manufactured deep state consumerism or something, lol.

What gets in the way the most, eventually, regardless of how switched on they are or aren't, is this stubborn inflexibility. The last woman I was with was switched on in every way, very very aware of the realities both seen and unseen. But she was disturbed by my meat consumption. And even more disturbed by my alcohol consumption..even though I might have had 10 beers in the entire 6 months we were together.

She was always asking me to make these "little" sacrifices (would I eat seafood instead of beef, for instance). I'm pretty flexible and agreeable..but what happened of course is that the list of "little" sacrifices grew and grew. And I was the only one making these sacrifices, by the way. Had I asked her to forfeit her precious salads and replace them with something else, she'd have been indignant.

But I'm not easy to be around all the time, so I have to shoulder the responsibility too. Thing is, eccentricity and an unwillingness to adapt only grow with solitude. I've become accustomed to spending long periods of time alone, for better or worse. So now I'm kinda weird and quirky about stuff too, I suppose. It's best to meet people earlier in life, which allows for a process of growing and evolving together ..rather than trying to bring 2 lonely freaks together after they've been single for 5 years:)

[Johnnycomelately]

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It's best to meet people earlier in life, which allows for a process of growing and evolving together ..rather than trying to bring 2 lonely freaks together after they've been single for 5 years:)

Five years? Mike, you sweet summer child lol. Get with while you can, because there is so much to be learned there. Not only will your body eventually wilt, but so too will your capacity to constructively engage, and even cooperate, on a personal level. Once you hit 60, so I’ve been told by an old Christian missionary to India, you’re in the “holy man” stage of life. Which I believe. And then (like now, for me) all bets are off.

On another note, I once heard partnership advice to the tune of “Trees that grow too close to each other end up being only half a tree each”.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Five years? Been longer than that for me. I'm in the same boat as Mike and Casey: far too weird for an ordinary person, and an ordinary person is far too weird for me. I've found the 'right match' is like dark matter, or perhaps more elusive than that: she does not exist, at least not on this planet/state of existence. In fact, I've rather convinced myself she's currently disincarnate, waiting for me between lives. And if so, okey-dokey, I'm in no rush, and in the meanwhile perfectly content in my own company.

[Mike]

Five years? Been longer than that for me. I'm in the same boat as Mike and Casey: far too weird for an ordinary person, and an ordinary person is far too weird for me. I've found the 'right match' is like dark matter, or perhaps more elusive than that: she does not exist, at least not on this planet/state of existence. In fact, I've rather convinced myself she's currently disincarnate, waiting for me between lives. And if so, okey-dokey, I'm in no rush, and in the meanwhile perfectly content in my own company.


"Far too weird for an ordinary person, and an ordinary person is far too weird for me." What a great line!

I just offered up 5 years as an arbitrary number. I've always operated in fits and spurts ..that seems to be my nature with everything, including romance. I might find myself in a relationship for 2 or 3 years and then go 6 or 7 without one. I've passed the 5 year mark a few times too.

And the ones I did find myself in were largely by accident. I've never made it a goal to be in a relationship. I can honestly say I was in love one time, a long time ago, and when it ended I grieved quite a bit because, among other things, I knew in my gut I'd never feel that way about a woman again. And I was right. Not even close. So perhaps I missed my window there.

[onawah]

"If an attractive woman is single, it's because she's smarter than everyone else." Carl Jung

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I can honestly say I was in love one time, a long time ago, and when it ended I grieved quite a bit because, among other things, I knew in my gut I'd never feel that way about a woman again. And I was right. Not even close. So perhaps I missed my window there.

Same boat? should have said same wheelhouse. I come from a virtually identical situation: was super-duper in love, for the first and only time it turned out, and then...it all went sideways. And grieving is exactly the right word to describe what I was feeling afterwards.

It was all her fault though, and I swear that's not a conceit. She was totally unlike me in almost every conceivable way: partied all the time, had a wandering eye, and drank way too much. By comparison, I was an insufferable bore -- yet somehow we connected, as if by some irresistible magnetic charge. She brought something out in me, making me feel more alive than I ever have before (or since); and I did something to her she also couldn't explain (her snobbish friends certainly couldn't).

Unfortunately it didn't last beyond a year, because there's a price to pay dating a gorgeous girl (and she really was): other guys wanted a piece, and she was the sort of girl who, in the end, just couldn't say no to them.

Around this time I heard the saying: she's not yours, it's just your turn. It felt like the truest thing that's ever been uttered, like a Proverb lifted from the Bible. It's not a slur against women, it can go for both sexes -- rather, I think it's a testament to our broken culture, the erosion of modern values.

Her behaviour would come back to bite her. Several times she came crying to me, trying to make up for her mistakes like nothing had happened. But I'm no simp. She was still boozing every saturday night, and twice a year in Ibiza. There was no way I was going through all that again, even though I still loved her.

With retrospect, I believe a spiritual component underpinned this relationship, like a past life connection. And to this day I can't adequately describe that feeling. It's like nothing else in the world. If you've experienced it, you just know.

She's more settled these days, and even got a kid now. Although I don't see her we text each other at Christmas, and on our birthdays. It was mine last week, and she remembered me with a text. I was very happy to get it (it's the only one I wait for).

[Losus4]

The war on men is one of the factors behind the rise of MGTOW, which basically means when a man stops pursuing relationships with women. But why would a man do such a thing?

Many of the early MGTOWs were due to failed marriages. Through no-fault divorce laws, a man could be sat at home not agreeing to a divorce, not unfaithful and not abusive, the next thing he knows the courts have taken his home, assets, and children, with the threat of jail if he resists.
Marriage today is more fickle than it's ever been with nearly half of all marriages ending in divorce, 70% of which is initiated by the woman,FN and when it does occur it's women the courts favour. A man might ask himself why commit to marriage if 3/4 of the time the woman doesn't honour that commitment? MGTOW is a collective proclamation of men saying that marriage is simply not worth the risk.

I wouldn't call myself MGTOW but do appreciate some of their beliefs, in the sense that a man is responsible for his own happiness. To seek wholeness in a woman when you're not already whole to begin with is to be dependent on female approval, which puts the male in a place of neediness and thus, disadvantage.
So if you're going to "go MGTOW"; be the one who works on himself. Get fit, get healthy, build wealth, accomplish goals etc., and if a woman comes along then great, but don't look for them to complete you. Be complete as you are. A partner should complement an already fulfilling life rather than being the staple holding it in place.

Another cause for MGTOW would be social media and dating apps. It's no secret that that most women on dating apps are inundated with messages, while most men won't get half of that. Invariably this puts men off the dating scene who begin to perceive women as more trouble than they're worth.
The girl your dad approached at the bar as a young man may've been the only man to approach her that month, and because it was a relatively infrequent occurrence it would've been special to her and something worth investing in.
The girl you approach in a bar today is receiving dozens of messages daily, by any of the numerous apps she will likely have on her phone. Why invest in the guy in front of her when she can continue rolling the Tinder-roulette in the hope a better man comes along? If you want to know why the majority of women are addicted to their smartphone, this right here is why. Endless flattery and dopamine spikes from social media and dating apps.
Since not every woman has supermodel looks, you may think that only the most attractive women receive this kind of attention. Well, you would be wrong. When a man is horny enough he will **** anything. Take the example of Pig Girl.FN

Pig Girl was an experiment done by users of the BodyBuilding.com forums, in which an overweight woman—with a little Photoshop magic—was given a hairy chest and pig snout for a nose. The woman was unattractive to begin with, and yet even with a pig snout, she still had the kind of abundance of sexual offers that most men can only dream of.
Let that sink in: Pig Woman has an easier time finding a date than the majority of men. When dating has become so massively imbalanced, is it any wonder that men are simply throwing in the towel?
Obviously these men were just after a quick lay, but if a woman with a pig snout gets that much attention, consider what it's like for regular women, let alone very attractive ones. The end result of all that attention is that unlike the pre-smartphone era, average women no longer wish to settle for average men.
If men want a girlfriend today their choices are as follows:

1) Dating apps, which will only work if you possess the looks and status of a Love Islander, or lower your standards so low to women you're not attracted to.

2) Do the PUA thing and approach women in the bar or street, which will require that you take an inordinate amount of rejections for every hook up. Like 1 lay per 100 approaches.

3) Social circle or work. The insular lives we all lead now makes this harder and harder, but it is still the most organic way as it's been the primary method of mating since time began.

4) See hookers/escorts.

Bear in mind that if you meet a girl via an app, she is never more than a swipe away from temptation. Hundreds of guys willing to **** her the moment she opens Tinder. As Pig Girl taught us, she'll never not have infinite options whereas you might only have her. Remember that if you're wondering who holds the power in the relationship. You can either jump through these ever more demanding hoops, or, as MGTOWs do, simply not play.

One tip when using an app: Being a gentleman gets you nowhere. If she's not attracted to you, no amount of politeness or shared interests will make her respond. If she is attracted to you, she will hook up regardless of what you say. It's all about what gives her the biggest dopamine spike. Lame questions about how her day is going or what she does for work will not be enough to trigger her smartphone-addled brain. Be direct. Audacious openers got me laid a lot more than being a gentleman ever did.

But MGTOW isn't just men turning away from the circus of modern dating, but turning away from the ideological ruin that feminism has wrought.
Just think of 1950s grandma: loyal, modest, and put family before career. Our grandmothers would've raised a good stable family and been loyal to her man, and society at large would've been stronger and more cohesive.

Women today no longer need a provider, and divorced women don't become the social pariahs they would've once done. Combine that with the constant validation of social media, and dating apps inflating women's egos, what we get is out of control hypergamy, and a slow erosion of the traditional family unit.
The breakdown of the family is why Western society itself is failing. As a 2011 census shows, there are now more Muslim children being born in cities like Birmingham and Bradford than indigenous whites. Terms like "White Genocide" owe themselves to this shifting demographic. We're slowly being outbred in our own lands.

Such declining birthrates among whites can be traced back to feminism subverting the traditional gender roles, because instead of locking down a man in their prime years (18-25), women **** around into their thirties and beyond, deluded by shows like Sex and the City, that when they're ready to settle down, they can click their fingers, and their 6'2 Italian salsa-dance teacher will come knocking.
Women who put career before family end up risking no family at all. They reach their late 30s with no husband or kids on the cards, and in a rush to fulfil their maternal instincts they'll settle with the first chump that comes along.
In other words, if she can't get Chad Sixpack, Billy Beta will have to do. Poor Billy in such a case is no more than a backup option, and because you were the backup, chances are the marriage will not last. She'll take your child and alimony payments, and **** you off when you no longer provide any value.Briffaults Law You'll end up as just another divorced man paying child support, while your ex spends her time on Tinder, gorging on the attention she's guaranteed to get.

All of these factors are why MGTOW is growing by the day. Men just can't be bothered anymore.
Just consider that in the 1960s we were building rockets to put men into space. 60 years of feminism later we're teaching children to question their gender. As we discussed earlier, putting feminists in power led to 'feelings' before logic, which led to political correctness and trying to understand our enemies instead of destroying them.
The end result, terrorists and ghetto thugs running amok in our streets, and crying racist at those who dare to speak up about it.
This is what's meant by toxic feminism. It's not just women burning bras, it's the "feelings before logic" nature of women seeping its way into policy and decision making, which ends up distorting truth and fact to avoid causing offence. When you put women in power, this obsession with equal rights bull**** is what you get.
So it bears repeating: The moment you give women the vote is the moment you set into motion a chain of events that leads to the complete breakdown of society.

So what MGTOW ultimately stands for is twofold. On the minor scale it's men walking away from the circus of modern dating to enjoy the freedom that being single and childless offers. The MGTOW life allows the male to work less hours given he has only himself to support rather than a family.
On a broader scale it's a rejection of feminism and all its destructive machinations. Wokeness, political correctness, anti-white hatred, censorship, etc.
My own interpretation of MGTOW is simply that women are not the answer to your boring and unfulfilling life. If you're not already happy within yourself then a woman will not change that.
MGTOW is a statement of self-ownership, where the male protects his sovereignty above all else; who does not bow or conform to convention, and lives according to his own best interests.

[Isserley]

In love? That sounds too hollywood for me :facepalm:
It's very simple, if you are with someone - then it better be worth it, that is, the experience must be better than being alone. If you are alone - surround yourself with at least a few like-minded people who can easily let you be yourself and so that you are not overwhelmed with loneliness.
If that is not an option either, surround yourself with animals - pets.

Those are the only options to lead a tolerable life... and of course, as one gets old - everything gets harder, so it would be nice to not be completely alone during final years of ones life.
(Even though you never know when the final moment will be.)

I know this sounds dry and bleak, but it's becoming increasingly clear to me that it boils down to this - you're either comfortable with someone for the long haul or you're not. Butterflies are for movies and reproduction, and they fly away very quickly.

[DNA]

The war on men is one of the factors behind the rise of MGTOW, which basically means when a man stops pursuing relationships with women. But why would a man do such a thing?
set into motion a chain of events that leads to the complete breakdown of society.

interests.

Losus4 that was badass.
I'm yelling hallelujah from the pulpit.

Everything you just mentioned in my opinion has been the orchestration for introducing socialism into western countries.
Strangely enough I'll even add your signature to that.
Have you read the memoirs of Billy Shears?
Amazing stuff...
Billy Shears states that the Beatles were no more organic as a band than the monkeys.

Session musicians and producers with composers wrote the bulk of the music.
Sounds insane but Billy mentions all this and more.
The very creation of the British invasion done by Tavistock along with the American equivalent created in laurel canyon in the USA all done to subvert culture by glorifying sex,drugs, rock and roll and minimizing the importance of the nuclear family, religion and sexual exclusivity.

But socialism has always been the ultimate goal.
Pop music, media, Academia, Hollywood...
All primed and pushing ultimately for the subversion of Christian society with the ultimate aim of a socialistic one world government.


The lights brighten the camera pans back and you see my wild eyes as I finish the last statement at a dinner table in a restaurant with a plump but pretty smart looking now bewildered middle aged woman kindly agreeing with me.
The last was a little too much for her though.
She is now looking from me to the door.
I motion to the waiter to bring us another drink.

Did you get the covid jab?
The woman nods affirmatively.

Oh that's too bad. I say.
I suppose I should have asked you that before we went out.
No DNA for you.
That jab is a death sentence.
And I hear it's sexually transmitted.

Hey where are you going?
Damn!
What's a guy gotta do to get a second date?
Oh well...
Wouldn't have worked out anyway.
Waiter check please...

[Mike]

Losus4,

Like Marcus I was nodding along to your post, and was pleased to see so many truths presented in such an unapologetic and straightforward way. Appreciate the candor. Excellent post. I could write a similarly worded post, explaining how well you nailed it and so forth, but just to make things interesting I'll push back a little on a couple things...

I think it's important to remember that sociopathic elites are basically fighting a proxy war here, using men and women as their unwitting soldiers in a battle against each other. I think we all have an obligation to assist each other in understanding that, instead of assuming the adversarial roles we're being socially engineered into playing.

If men collectively drift off, they're only hurting themselves ultimately. For most men, meaning is found in responsibility, and there's no greater responsibility than that of a family. Plus, western civilization is held together by the nuclear family; we walk away and we're only accelerating the takeover by the satanic neo-Marxists. In the absence of family, the state becomes the central orienting mechanism, and we all know how that goes.

It's true of course that marriages are failing just as often as they're succeeding now (or more). But it's not a good reason to forfeit the ideal. We still have to collectively hold the vision of a proper society, and that seems to be one that favors marriage and Judeo/Christian values. It allows for a coherence that can't be achieved any other way. Men stand to lose everything if they get married, true, but refusing to take the risk defies our very purpose here, imo.

[Losus4]

The war on men is one of the factors behind the rise of MGTOW, which basically means when a man stops pursuing relationships with women. But why would a man do such a thing?
set into motion a chain of events that leads to the complete breakdown of society.

interests.

Losus4 that was badass.
I'm yelling hallelujah from the pulpit.
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Thanks DNA, it is a passage from my free E-book Truthbombs, (https://pdfhost.io/v/XI9OATfoB_Truthbombs) which is an extension of the previous chapter "The War on Masculinity." Yes I've read Memoirs, and other Paul is Dead books. "The Life and Death of McCartney" by Nic Kollerstrom is one of the best. I went into the Paul is Dead stuff thinking it was a piss take, but after immersing myself in the subject and the multitude of anomalies, now I'm not so sure. In any case, the Paul is Dead conspiracy is one of the most bizarre rabbit holes you can go down.

@Mike, you're right, men and women need to be working together rather than allowing ourselves to be played off against each other, but for 80% of men (rough estimate) it has become nigh on impossible for them to find a girlfriend who will show them the kind of loyalty, respect and non-narcissistic behaviour, that in the pre-feminist era was the norm. Most MGTOWs would like nothing more than to settle down with a loving woman, but finding such women in the current era is like finding a diamond among dirt, and those women will almost certainly already be taken by high status men. When men approach women with sincerity and respect, only to be called a creep and laughed at, then for many men MGTOW is the only sane option.

[Bill Ryan]

I've just allowed myself to become too weird.

I'm in the same boat as Mike and Casey: far too weird for an ordinary person, and an ordinary person is far too weird for me.

We should maybe add a field to the Avalon personal profile for an optional weirdness quotient. W10 is the top of the scale. W0 would be very normal indeed. (I'd be maybe W9.5, or possibly higher. :P)

Regarding compatibility profiling, a couple could probably stay together if their W levels were within a range of 3. So a W7 could maybe make a long-term relationship work with anyone from a W4 to a W10. But a W8 with a W2? Forget it :ROFL:

[Sue (Ayt)]

I've just allowed myself to become too weird.

I'm in the same boat as Mike and Casey: far too weird for an ordinary person, and an ordinary person is far too weird for me.

We should maybe add a field to the Avalon personal profile for an optional weirdness quotient. W10 is the top of the scale. W0 would be very normal indeed. (I'd be maybe W9.5, or possibly higher. :P)

Regarding compatibility profiling, a couple could probably stay together if their W levels were within a range of 3. So a W7 could maybe make a long-term relationship work with anyone from a W4 to a W10. But a W8 with a W2? Forget it :ROFL:

LOL Bill
A "woo scale" is a great idea for a dating site!

My husband is probably a 10 on the scale. I am more of a "could be" - like, open to the realm of most possibilities, but full-scale biting on anything only after thorough examination. (He sees me as a skeptic.)
And like Mike, more of a covert woo, meaning I can pretty much interact with and observe most all types of folks, which I do like doing.
(I am not sure if two 10's could make it together without going off the deep end!)

But we often laugh together at a line from the old Kink's song, Apeman:
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"I'll be your Tarzan, you'll be my Jane
I'll keep you warm and you'll keep me sane"

[Agape]

I’ve figured out there are two kinds of relationships in life.

The first kind is based on sameness , similarity of characters, genetic make up , appearance or whatever else.

The other kind is based on complementarity. In enables two completely different individuals work together on a task or on Life.

While the first kind of relationships based in sameness or similarity is mostly harmonious ,
it’s dynamics is slow and either goes well or the whole thing weans off and turns boring and not longer supportive to your evolution.

Then there are many options “in between”

Complimentary type of relationships may be most diverse and parental relationships fall mostly to this category.
They have great potential but sometimes grave risks and mistakes are committed because of some essential difference between the two that is not easy to overcome.


And them all are love, of course.


So ...your right and unique love option can be found on a cross ( for example) between the two.
Some peoples ideal partner is Jesus. They can’t deal basically with anyone else. Some people ideal wife is 13 year old sweetheart who then suddenly grows up to version of own mother and breaks the house loose.

We meet the people “we deserve” because we are “in certain way” rather than those we were looking for.
It’s a good luck because most of us have greater intelligence than we showed in bar .


Human so called relationships are fragile. The first criterium of being with someone is whether you are ready to look after each other.
In illness and need , joy and sorrow.

What nags me is that most bigger mammals are able to do that. Wolfs even big cats are monogamous and take care of their partner at all times.

Bonobos completely outdo us in cut-a-care , loving kindness and sharing.

People of today .,....


That’s before they kick me out of the bachelors club.


End a quote

🥀

[Mike]

I've just allowed myself to become too weird.

I'm in the same boat as Mike and Casey: far too weird for an ordinary person, and an ordinary person is far too weird for me.

We should maybe add a field to the Avalon personal profile for an optional weirdness quotient. W10 is the top of the scale. W0 would be very normal indeed. (I'd be maybe W9.5, or possibly higher. :P)

Regarding compatibility profiling, a couple could probably stay together if their W levels were within a range of 3. So a W7 could maybe make a long-term relationship work with anyone from a W4 to a W10. But a W8 with a W2? Forget it :ROFL:


Hey that's not a bad idea actually:). I mean if someone was interested in starting a dating site for "alt community" folks. I think the compatibility profile could be stratified pretty easily .. and I agree that a 3 point threshold makes sense.

I know George Noory started something called "Paranormal Date", but skimming it years ago I found that the members were only superficially weird, i.e. they liked ghost hunting shows and went to psychic fairs etc.

I've had some very surreal red-pill experiences, but not paranormal one's necessarily, so I'm not sure how to rank myself off the top a my head. But when people meet me, one of the first things they say to me is, "you're pretty weird" .. and this is even before I've said anything controversial or alt'y LOL. So I must be giving off the "vibe", as they say. Maybe I'm an 8.

Come to think of it, why aren't we regarded as an oppressed group? We endure quite a bit of ridicule from friends, family, media, etc. If "2 spirit" folks get a place at the LGBTQIA2s+ table, why not us? I'm offended!:bigsmile:

[DNA]

Understanding the movement of energy is important in my opinion.

Did you guys ever read the Celestine Prophecy?
I mean that book is really good in terms of making one aware of synchronicity as a communication from above giving affirmation and guidance.
Also the ability to understand those dramas people sometimes use to manipulate and steal interpersonal energies.

If someone is a genuinely good person.
They have good energy and they don't try to steal energy and if you get a synchronicity communication to pursue that person...
I would say go for it regardless of where you are on the woo scale.

Sometimes we over think these things.
Sometimes opposites do attract.

Also just because someone isn't Mr. Or Mrs. Right doesn't mean they aren't Mr. Or Mrs. Right Now

One last thing I want to throw out there...
The Michael Teachings.
As published by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro.
If you want the introspective superpower of knowing yourself and others this is a good route to go.
In it you discover soul ages.
1.Infant 2. Toddler 3. Adult 4. Mature and 5. Old

Also the books explain how each of us decided to handicap their personality with a negative personality ego attachment.
Understanding your own and those in your family help immensely.

There are 7
1. Impatience
2. Martyrdom
3.Arrogance
4.Self Depreciation
5.Greed
6. Self Destruction
7.Stubburness

Also there are 7 Soul Types.
1.Warrior
2.King
3.Priest
4. Servent
5.Artician
6.Sage
7.Scholar

I wouldn't mention this stuff but it's been my experience that this stuff is absolutely real and in helping to know your self and others it helps with understanding and tolerance on a level that can enhance all relationships

[Isserley]

Come to think of it, why aren't we regarded as an oppressed group? We endure quite a bit of ridicule from friends, family, media, etc. If "2 spirit" folks get a place at the LGBTQIA2s+ table, why not us? I'm offended!:bigsmile:

This song came to mind while reading your reply :bigsmile:

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[Agape]

I've just allowed myself to become too weird.

I'm in the same boat as Mike and Casey: far too weird for an ordinary person, and an ordinary person is far too weird for me.

We should maybe add a field to the Avalon personal profile for an optional weirdness quotient. W10 is the top of the scale. W0 would be very normal indeed. (I'd be maybe W9.5, or possibly higher. :P)

Regarding compatibility profiling, a couple could probably stay together if their W levels were within a range of 3. So a W7 could maybe make a long-term relationship work with anyone from a W4 to a W10. But a W8 with a W2? Forget it :ROFL:


Hey that's not a bad idea actually:). I mean if someone was interested in starting a dating site for "alt community" folks. I think the compatibility profile could be stratified pretty easily .. and I agree that a 3 point threshold makes sense.

I know George Noory started something called "Paranormal Date", but skimming it years ago I found that the members were only superficially weird, i.e. they liked ghost hunting shows and went to psychic fairs etc.

I've had some very surreal red-pill experiences, but not paranormal one's necessarily, so I'm not sure how to rank myself off the top a my head. But when people meet me, one of the first things they say to me is, "you're pretty weird" .. and this is even before I've said anything controversial or alt'y LOL. So I must be giving off the "vibe", as they say. Maybe I'm an 8.

Come to think of it, why aren't we regarded as an oppressed group? We endure quite a bit of ridicule from friends, family, media, etc. If "2 spirit" folks get a place at the LGBTQIA2s+ table, why not us? I'm offended!:bigsmile:



Mike: “only superficially weird” sounds good :)

I think that some evolution stages of psyche are rare phenomena and most of the people are held under someone’s “guardianship” till the end of their life.

Even very capable and advanced souls still experience fear and seek self protection or escape to another reality .

That said they’re not liberated from samsara.

Even great magicians and teachers, entrepreneurs and so forth aren’t free .

Many of them suffer so much on inside they only need to eat piece of somebody, despite being also vegetarian .

Eventually : one tiny bit ahead : advanced humans once dissolved relationship trouble and stop regressing to childhood :)

People of today ..mostly need therapist at home.

It then takes bad turns, mostly for the “therapist” , that is self-ordained Trappist performing role of holy servant of someone’s juvenile ego.


I-think-I’m-too-old-for-it-all-now :)

[mojo]

Bill you might be on to something!... the "WOO FACTOR" The new game show that aims to be wooed...lmao...

How much woo do you have? ... nothing like this French man... :inlove:

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[Casey Claar]

I've just allowed myself to become too weird.

I'm in the same boat as Mike and Casey: far too weird for an ordinary person, and an ordinary person is far too weird for me.

We should maybe add a field to the Avalon personal profile for an optional weirdness quotient. W10 is the top of the scale. W0 would be very normal indeed. (I'd be maybe W9.5, or possibly higher. :P)

Regarding compatibility profiling, a couple could probably stay together if their W levels were within a range of 3. So a W7 could maybe make a long-term relationship work with anyone from a W4 to a W10. But a W8 with a W2? Forget it :ROFL:


Hey that's not a bad idea actually:). I mean if someone was interested in starting a dating site for "alt community" folks. I think the compatibility profile could be stratified pretty easily .. and I agree that a 3 point threshold makes sense.

I know George Noory started something called "Paranormal Date", but skimming it years ago I found that the members were only superficially weird, i.e. they liked ghost hunting shows and went to psychic fairs etc.

I've had some very surreal red-pill experiences, but not paranormal one's necessarily, so I'm not sure how to rank myself off the top a my head. But when people meet me, one of the first things they say to me is, "you're pretty weird" .. and this is even before I've said anything controversial or alt'y LOL. So I must be giving off the "vibe", as they say. Maybe I'm an 8.

Come to think of it, why aren't we regarded as an oppressed group? We endure quite a bit of ridicule from friends, family, media, etc. If "2 spirit" folks get a place at the LGBTQIA2s+ table, why not us? I'm offended!:bigsmile:

It is not a bad idea at all, I think Bill may be onto something. ( fights back lol-ing ) We might need to have an extra category, though, for who might, according to others, just tend toward breaking the scale. I think I might break the scale. Those who have focused a lifetime into spiritual disciplines, who's days and nights are very different than what is usual ( even for w-rated persons ) possibly may have to have an add-on to the "w" rating. You know, just to warn people. Think Merlin, who speaks to dragons, and who pops in on society only now and again but only after having spent his life alone in forest caves -where he continues to live -in a whole other spectrum of reality.

[leavesoftrees]

Even if I was looking ( and I am not ), I am just WAY too different for there to be a potential partner ground level who could tolerate me. There are few who can even tolerate me as a friend ( my focus is just so different ). Aside from grocery shopping, my life routine includes nothing on the more mundane level, nothing that theirs does, and so much that exceeds a normal comfort zone that a good deal of space is generally needed between the one and the other. At this point I have no skills for it being any other way. The tolerating can go both ways. I have zero capacity for drama. This said, it would be humorous were a situation to arise.

Ditto

... but just over the last month someone has shown interest in me. I am at a bit of loss as what to do Because I'm a W10

[Bill Ryan]

I think I might break the scale. A simple solution would be to make the scale logarithmic (as for earthquakes and solar storms), so that a W10 would be 10x as weird as a W9, and 100x as weird as a W8. Then we could probably fit you in :P:ROFL::heart:

(But of course that would nix my suggestion of potential compatibility being instantly visible if there was a deviation of 3 or less)



... but just over the last month someone has shown interest in me. I am at a bit of loss as what to do Because I'm a W10Maybe invite them (or accept an invitation) for coffee, lunch or dinner, share some fun W10 stories, and see how they react...?

[Harmony]

I do think relationships can be a complex thing. As our experiences in life hopefully turn to wisdom there is “more there” to have a knowing about what that might mean to each person.


Wanting to be with another requires a willingness to have an open heart that wants to see where the other comes from and how they developed and became who they are with love and compassion and understanding.


These are just my ponderings from life experience, and each person is so unique. Is there a deep desire to be with this other person because it feels spiritual, or a journey that is a joint learning experience that brings each something wonderful. That could come in so many forms or energy exchanges and different to each of the couple.


Sometimes a person has such a mission in their life that there is little time for another unless the other is willing to be the assistant to bring that mission to fruition. Sometimes just being together with that certain person’s energy is enough.


Is there space to grow in the same direction of what is really important, of what means the most to you on a heart level?


Woo is only woo until it becomes known, and that can be exciting a fun to explore if another is willing. :heart:

[Nasu]

Some things change, some things never will….x…. N


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByJwuSYG2LY?si=0FLlJroaMXOc9gbC

[Casey Claar]

I think I might break the scale. A simple solution would be to make the scale logarithmic (as for earthquakes and solar storms), so that a W10 would be 10x as weird as a W9, and 100x as weird as a W8. Then we could probably fit you in :P:ROFL::heart:

(But of course that would nix my suggestion of potential compatibility being instantly visible if there was a deviation of 3 or less)



You see. We are already coming up with challenges just making a SCALE for such a thing. lol

[DeDukshyn]

I'd love to find a partner with my level of weirdness ... lol. I'm definitely a mixed bag of eclectic weirdness.

Frankly I don't see this happening though, my biggest issue is that I have no money and no assets (but also no real debt either, which most people can't say), not particularly "romantic", and for 98% of women these days, that's the "no thank you" quality.

But I am decent looking, youthful for my age, intelligent, artistic, funny (in a twisted sort of way), love nature, animals, esoterica, exploring and learning. That's gotta count for something ;) There's gotta be someone out there that fits ... till then I'll happily stay single. Came from an abusive relationship, and maybe I'm still feeling a bit bitter about relationships, and that is acting as a block.

[Casey Claar]

I have to ask this. Those of you who want partners, why do you want a partner? Can I be bold? --If there were no sex involved, would you still want a partner?

[Bill Ryan]

I'd love to find a partner with my level of weirdness ...
[ ... ]
I am decent looking, youthful for my age, intelligent, artistic, funny, love nature, animals, esoterica, exploring and learning. That's gotta count for something ;) There's gotta be someone out there that fits ...
Ha. :highfive: To quote Robin Williams at the close of Good Will Hunting — "Son of a bitch, he stole my line."

:)

[Bluegreen]

I have to ask this. Those of you who want partners, why do you want a partner? Can I be bold? --If there were no sex involved, would you still want a partner?

No. :sun:

[pyrangello]

double and triple NO !

[T Smith]

I feel more sorry for guys these days than for women.

“Culture is not your friend” said Terrence McKenna, and never has this been more true than this last decade.
Never before has culture messed with women’s minds more than in this age of social media,
which in turn has men confused and upset.

The world does not need another empowered woman,
rather it needs people who understand that relationships are the basis for family life,
for the march of generations following each other, and for spiritual development.

Empowerment, in any iteration, is overrated.

Wisdom is underrated.

Ulli is blessed with the latter.

[HopSan]

I have to ask this. Those of you who want partners, why do you want a partner? Can I be bold? --If there were no sex involved, would you still want a partner?



I might be a suitable person to answer. My wife (since 1995) died half a year ago. I (and she) were both very unusual people, in a good way.
It took many years to grow to really understand each other. Some early times were painful. But -- towards the end everything began to match.
There was an unbelievable and growing amount of happiness and laughter. Even sex worked, as a really funny way to communicate.

So: If I found a mentally my-kind-of partner again, I bet sex would follow.
Sex (whatever the kind) follows -- does not lead.

[Mike]

I have to ask this. Those of you who want partners, why do you want a partner? Can I be bold? --If there were no sex involved, would you still want a partner?



I might be a suitable person to answer. My wife (since 1995) died half a year ago. I (and she) were both very unusual people, in a good way.
It took many years to grow to really understand each other. Some early times were painful. But -- towards the end everything began to match.
There was an unbelievable and growing amount of happiness and laughter. Even sex worked, as a really funny way to communicate.

So: If I found a mentally my-kind-of partner again, I bet sex would follow.
Sex (whatever the kind) follows -- does not lead.



That's really a great answer! (..and a good question too, posed by Casey)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

We should maybe add a field to the Avalon personal profile for an optional weirdness quotient. W10 is the top of the scale. W0 would be very normal indeed. (I'd be maybe W9.5, or possibly higher. :P)


Genuinely doable. If you wanted to add this feature to the profile page I'm sure I could come up with something. :idea:

[Harmony]

We should maybe add a field to the Avalon personal profile for an optional weirdness quotient. W10 is the top of the scale. W0 would be very normal indeed. (I'd be maybe W9.5, or possibly higher. :P)


Genuinely doable. If you wanted to add this feature to the profile page I'm sure I could come up with something. :idea:


That made me laugh :chuckle:



It might be a good idea to have some descriptive emoji's to identify Woo categories: Science Woo, OBE Woo, UFO Woo, Spiritual Woo etc. :idea:

[Isserley]

This "weird" talk triggered me somehow even though it is partially a joke here.. but anyway.

First, the definition of “weird” varies from one (person, culture, religion) to another and in this day and age very little can be considered weird. There is just so little we haven't already seen/done/..

Who was given the authority to declare what is weird / special / different from all the normies?

This question depends mostly on maturity and how narcissistic you are..

[Harmony]

This "weird" talk triggered me somehow even though it is partially a joke here.. but anyway.

First, the definition of “weird” varies from one (person, culture, religion) to another and in this day and age very little can be considered weird. There is just so little we haven't already seen/done/..

Who was given the authority to declare what is weird / special / different from all the normies?



This question depends mostly on maturity and how narcissistic you are..


I agree with you Isserley :bearhug:, and I woludn't want to not notice all the interesting and amazing things we all talk about on the forum, it just seems most natural.:stars:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Who was given the authority to declare what is weird / special / different from all the normies?


A 'weirdness quotient', if such a thing was added to the profile pages, would be an optional parameter, treated as strictly tongue-in-cheek. Certainly not something to be taken seriously. :thumb:

[mojo]

Sometimes a Woo factor might be off the charts depending on if you ate Oysters that day or other Ambrosia or Nectar of the Gods... :inlove:
It would be fun to have at least a temporary Woo Factor on each Avatar on a day of our choosing, maybe like Valentines day

[DeDukshyn]

I have to ask this. Those of you who want partners, why do you want a partner? Can I be bold? --If there were no sex involved, would you still want a partner?

As a person without a lot of friends ... I think I'd be more than ok with a relationship without sex, but who wants cake without at least a little icing? ;)

[Agape]

Perhaps I’ve just defined the latest criteria for entry to the Blueberry Pie club :

They’ve better exited
or never visited
the “Church of Copyism”.

Save for grandmas pudding.

For only those who walked their own they know themselves and the Universe , the best :) .....


It’s a joke of course.

I often thought about the situation of limited group of survivors of disaster who have to cope and restart new civilisation no matter in what shape and numbers.

We all are ...uniquely ...capable and...diversely abled.

Born out of love
not for the label on the table



🐢

[mojo]

Wow...relationships are so much harder... Not a very profound statement but still true. Are women that much more complex than men? I haven't been in one for a while and never saw this coming and life is not the same. That is not a bad thing or good thing except its now different. It's been so long since considering someone else and their feelings. I'm sure to screw it up. Life was so much easier before...

[Casey Claar]

Brave on, Mojo.. it will be what it will, we all make mistakes but it is most often worth making our way through them.

Opportunities are not to passed upon. Get into that yes consciousness.

You are ALREADY doing so well.

[Losus4]

Wow...relationships are so much harder... Not a very profound statement but still true. Are women that much more complex than men? I haven't been in one for a while and never saw this coming and life is not the same. That is not a bad thing or good thing except its now different. It's been so long since considering someone else and their feelings. I'm sure to screw it up. Life was so much easier before...

"Are women that much more complex than men?"

Yes.

Social media and dating apps have given most smartphone-using women (i.e. all of them) delusional levels of entitlement and the belief that anything less than a 6'2 Instagram influencer with 100,000 followers simply isn't good enough.

10 years ago, an incel meant being a legitimate basement-dwelling loser. Today it simply means being an average man. I hike, rock climb, go to the gym, have a social life, but still have difficulty finding a decent, loyal, non-tattoed, narcisstic woman who would like a mature relationship. Even if you were to find such a woman, she is never more than a swipe away from 100s more potential men, who she will happily ditch you for if they possess a modicum of status greater than yours.

Asian and Filipino women seem to be less affected by the digitization era, and still maintain traditional views on relationships and marriage. Older women might also be an option. But most white women younger than 30 are lost at this point.