Schizophrenia remedies

[Cristi Copac]

It is all from my experience with such an illness/attack.

Basically it's a contact with the spirit world. You see and you hear spirits. The astral has good entities and bad entities.

First remedy knowledge.

Now you must know. The spirit world is called the astral. The gods are here. It's the dream world . The thoughtforms.
You must know the astral words. Holy words. If you are hellenistic you must know the legends of the gods. If you are a christian you must know the words of the bible. And so on

Second remedy , Prayer

I prayed to the universe 100 times per day and no more voices for me.
I prayed for a clean head(spirits reside in the head).

Third remedy. Be a good person and say sorry for the bad things you have done . They can read your mind. So be truthful.

Fourth remedy .
The reason why you were chosen. The astral is wise and always it has reasons. In my case some ex colleagues performed black magic on me from distance and they lied about me that i sold my soul. That was not the case it was a severe lie but they did not tell me anything in my schizo . They just attacked me until i found out the reason.

Fifth remedy sage or frankincense.
You light the incense and then with your mind you imagine you give it to all the evil in your head. And in your house.

Sixth remedy valerian tea
They gave me insomnia and i used the herb . It was amazing. There are other herbs available but i just found this one.

Seventh remedy . water enema.
Clean water. You hold it for 15 minutes then you release at the bathroom. It helps detoxify the brain and the nervous system

Eighth remedy . vinegar and honey
You drink 1 l liter of this per day(dillution should be made so you can taste the vinegar ) and it helps detoxify the organism . THat is what i did. I used natural honey vinegar.

No more voices. Clean head. Clean house.

[Delight]

It seems as though you are actively involved in processes that mean healing to you and that is so important. Also, The tendency to self isolate is IMO a deliberate sabotage to prevent a challenge to the source of scizophrenic symptoms.

I used to work with psychiatric patients as a nurse in the 1980's and 1990's. The patients I saw were hospitalized so their symptoms were extreme. It seemed to me that this was a malicious attack because the voices heard (a major symptom) were seemingly unanimously derogatory. I did not understand why this self attack was the "thing" (because why would there NOT be positive hallucination?). I just knew objectively that the medications given and MORE and MORE are harmful. Tardive Dyskinesia was one side effect... permanent and debilitating and accepted to be "ok". NOT OK.

Until I started listening to Jerry Marzinski, I did not really think that people are beset by demonic elements in mental illness. He has amassed a great deal of evidence that what we know about the whole subject is next to zero.

There is a concept in some Christian ministries of "deliverance". This is like exorcism. IMO, what is called obsession and possession is real.

EDIT: Listen from 1:08... HUGE because these "voices" are attached to consciousness that has been enslaved....

@thejohncoopershow:4/JerryMarzinsky:4

[Delight]

Apparently certain psalms like the 23rd and some passages from religious texts are hated by demonic elements.

IMO we do have responsibility for our susceptibility to demonic influences. IMO people do not realize how our choice to pursue negative thoughts leaves us vulnerable. Think this fits here. Here are some positive thinking suggestions.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNn_NsKbQAEcOrk?format=jpg&name=small

[Jaak]

Magnesium and B-12 .
Most people these days suffer from magnesium deficiency .Harmful for the brain and nervous system. When alcoholics reach the level of delirium and they start to hallucinate it means they have flushed out from their body most of the magnesium which nervous system needs to function. Many causes of certain mental defects are because of deficiency of certain mineral on vitamins. Not to say that they are the main cause or solution to problems but in some cases it might help.

[Cristi Copac]

it's a spiritual disease. And for that a spiritual answer. But you can have some natural remedies too.

[Agape]

There are many threads on this forum where people talk of targeting , voices in their heads , episodes of amnesia or losing touch with reality.

The cause of many such symptoms is “manmade” though. Anyone who had been abused or severely traumatised, repeatedly in their childhood is also vulnerable in adulthood unless they’re willing to address their trauma and symptoms and clear it with some form of therapy, guided spiritual practice, counselling etc.

It’s important to do the above with someone - not only “by yourself” because only the “other” therapist/teacher/friend who are qualified and “out of water” themselves can help to rebuild healthy ego and normal relationship to other humans that was once broken.

Most people living in this era are co-dependent on society and other people to the point that if you left them “to themselves” for longer than few days,
they ALL start experiencing symptoms of temporary psychosis , extreme anxiety and so forth.

The title of this thread is misguiding in itself because the diagnose (label) is given by mundane health professionals, even if later misused by witch doctors that can make the situation far worse,
certainly not by spiritual traditions, teachers or other entities.

For diagnostic criteria : hearing voices is not “enough” , there has to be some form of underlying delusion present that is not explainable to the sufferer.

So no matter how softly I’d like to put it,
no one - even if they’re doctor of law themselves- suffering from some form of delusional idea will admit the idea is delusional,
they can’t be “talked out of it”,
no amount of explanation will suffice.


Above that all, your highly sensitive medical data is private to you and no you can’t “tell everything about it” or prescribe remedies.

I did the mistake number times in my life trying to help someone in the middle of psychotic episodes ( usually because there wasn’t any other option at that point for them to reach for help or they’d simply refuse one, hurting themselves or others).

For sure “spirit possession” and psychotic attack can look similar but with the caveat that “spirit possession”( divine or else) is generated by religious or spiritual traditions of some kind and requires extreme dedication and devotion for it to happen ,

while psychosis have mixed symptoms and do not respond to religious commands, programming or counselling.


With that in mind all I would advice that can be done by any coherent self is following:

a/check your personal history, with yourself , for episodes of underlying childhood or later trauma or abuse

b/check yourself for any invasive religious, spiritual or non-religious , example: political or artistic programming you’ve been subjected to

Reassess ( re-asses) the real value of symptoms currently experienced
and re-approach professional not related to whoever has labeled you ,
ask for reassessment and remove the diagnostic label from your life, carrier, relationships etc.

This is really serious and if you are young the label with spoil most of your life experience, especially if it’s wrong.

You seem to be level headed , spiritually oriented and vulnerable person who may still need lots of help to overcome what you’ve been through .

Please don’t deny yourself any option for improvement but consider that the label itself is just a label that does not do any justice.

[hope I did not spoil a lot]

🙏💫🙏

[Cristi Copac]

books that I recommend
michael harner
https://www.amazon.com/Way-Shaman-Michael-Harner/dp/0062503731

mircea eliade
https://www.amazon.com/Shamanism-Archaic-Techniques-Princeton-Classics/dp/0691210667/ref=sr_1_1?crid=179R7P1EB1ZA5&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5SVwLADo9U1IeUd7LwhKFNxUHpTISZPqVrtcm5niiKcfr76I6qPAF3Ko9MnT1-W1M_cp-x5xqr-5mUVpXb2VXOLkGJ-nDSrtCURH0n9hocE9Ku38vnXv-Qo5omK_2EFoIGr_gCqXIs2wXmbjywqx5T8CIjlEgkPCiF7ACbx4mMXrYMZh0DNa20kiN7O_HhQp3vBSvzZWUijokHq-KLSyktytc49hJmtPT4MeZwwj0Kc.bcMJCcpRuuKtRRDYhhov4SNnEAc4t0ejGnhWSHSMiRQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=mircea+eliade+shamanism&qid=1715864440&s=books&sprefix=mircea+eliade+shamanism%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C560&sr=1-1

best book on the astral you can find it for free also
leadbeater
https://www.amazon.com/Astral-Plane-Scenery-Inhabitants-Phenomena/dp/1596054441

it's basically religion, shamanism and witchcraft. a shamanic initiation, a shamanic vision explains a lot of things.

[Justplain]

My uncle was a psychiatrist in the mid-20th century and in his practice he found that he cured half his schizophrenic patients via talk therapy focused on resolving phobias. Apparently the phobias, unresolved traumatic events from the past, cause ongoing problems in a person's psyche which can lead to schizophrenia. His conclusions lead him to being ostracized by the profession and he had to find work in an orphanage to complete his career.

[Cristi Copac]

My uncle was a psychiatrist in the mid-20th century and in his practice he fouind that he cured half his schizophrenic patients via talk therapy focused on resolving phobias. Apparently the phobias, unresolved traumatic events from the past, cause ongoing problems in a person's psyche which can lead to schizophrenia. His conclusions lead him to being ostracized by the profession and he had to find work in an orphanage to complete his career.

thank you for this. yes. talk therapy can be very useful but not by someone who is an atheist in my opinion. you see if you have someone to talk to about the spiritual problems that you are facing and you find solutions the demons in your head cannot exist anymore. they don't have a reason for being there. they are not summoned anymore. either way your uncle did something remarkable . he actually cured schizo. there are no cured cases in psychiatry up to date. i wonder if the current medical establishment doesn't have a satanic leadearship. like they did for the cure for cancer - gerson therapy- denied and ridiculised.

[Denise/Dizi]

This thread triggered a reaction in me that many threads do, but for some reason? I decided today was the day to say something.. (Or a few things that have been building up over time), as I see man wanting to fall into a state of "Poor Me Victimhood"...

Mods please remove the post if you find it too confrontational...

First, tell me exactly what schizophrenia is. What it REALLY IS... I bet you can't, but we know what it looks like... What the symptoms are...

But those things are also heralded around the planet as "wonders" in some cultures.. "Messages from the Gods", or "The Higher Self"... By your definition, many are making plenty of money online while suffering from some mental derrangement...

I find this thread very interesting, as it would seem that some that would call what you are describing as a disease, others are calling "Contact experiences"... Or as Agape suggested, "targeting" for such communications, others call it "psychic gifts..." or "Enlightenment"... So what is it, or is it a host of many different things, all of which manifest in different ways, but are ultimately being labeled under one umbrella?

As such, your "Cure" would do absolutely nothing for those you're trying to help, (Those truly suffering a misfiring of the mind)... other than to give the illusion to their peers they truly have gone insane.. Could you imagine someone experiencing V2K suddenly praying 100 times a day and asking their spouse to run to the store to get them colon cleanse kits, sage, and essentially Valium?

I doubt an enema will stop voice to skull, and I honesty found that somewhat amusing and extremely sad, that someone could both umbrella so many things, as well as imply that someone can repeat affirmations or prayers and "Make it go away".. Mental illness doesn't just say goodbye and Go Away...and as far as I know, the medical establishment has only gotten as far as dulling the mind to levels at which a true schizophrenic can function without "acting out"...

When I had what I called "Contact experiences", I was communicated with for a 6 months period, and at the end of those 6 months, I was told they "had to leave", and I was wished a fond farewell, and the communications ended. I knew either I was experiencing some form of 2 way communications, mind to mind, whether technology driven? Or from the mind of a being that had superior brain function.. I never once considered I was ill... I was asked if the communications could continue.. It was not something my mind "randomly started to do on it's own, by way of some medical condition"... I was offered the communications and interactions.

Now I am no scientist, but as far as I can tell, mental illness doesn't just "Say Goodbye" and go away... and the communications abruptly end... And I doubt that a colon cleanse or any type of "affirmations" would make mental illness just disappear as well... So trying to offer solutions to what can be a symptom of a whole host of things can really be a dangerous thing...

If you had said your wifi went out, and you reset your router and all was fine? This would be one thing, but we are talking about mental stability here.. Much like David Wilcock suggests that bathing in urine is good for you, because an angel told him so? I find these suggestions ludicrous and potentially damaging to those who truly may be suffering a serious medical issue.

And I would also like to add this, as a reply to a post below the OP... Not just because the post on this thread annoyed me, but the suggestion can be found on many and in my opinion is a shallow way of thinking... And I am talking about trauma... as most want to attribute negative hings to previous traumas in one's life. Surely many do, but many do not, and the suggestion that "Trauma Victims" this and that... Is just as dangerous as the umbrella being placed around "mind to mind" communications.

Many humans experience trauma in their childhood.. They learn from it, grow and evolve into who they become, and it makes them stronger. I get so frustrated when I see that so many are quick to use previous "abuses" in any way, as a means to explain away accountability for ones own actions in the future... Or as a reason they may have become afflicted with some other condition... Or to explain away undesireable behaviors.

In our world, we have predators who perpetrate nasty behaviors and actions towards our youth, and to suggest that somehow, for the rest of the lives of those (once) victims, they are somehow DAMAGED, or more susceptable to "this" or "that"? I believe this is really a short sighted and very shallow (lazy) way of thinking...

I know many, myself included, who had very traumatic upbringings... Unlike many, who want someone or something to blame? I recognized those actions were not my own, nor was it my baggage to carry as "damage" throughout my life... NOR DO I REPEAT THOSE BEHAVIORS... I do not live in a constant world of "victimhood", and I am offended when people suggest all "once victims" DO live that way... Says WHO? A Dr. who needs an income pretending to know how to "save others" from things that are in the past?

They're being paid to shoulder the responsibility of justifying the behavior of the patient, without blaming the patient for their own behaviors.... so they find something that was unpleasant and point to that and suggest, "Perhaps this is why you do that"... No, you do it because you neglect your personal accountability to yourself to behave in a way that is appropriate! Really these Dr.s are being paid to deliver something to attribute their poor coping skills to, and their happy to point out the failures of others, rather than to teach actual coping skills. Teaching them self accountability rather than placing the blame on mommy and daddy doesn't assure them more visits to help them unload the baggage mommy and daddy saddled them with however, nor does it pay for the new Porsche...

They call medicine a "Practice" because they are not at all, fully aware of even what the mind can do, much less what causes people to function in the way they do... An early life rape, certainly cannot be proven to be a cause of later life mental illness, or the repeat behaviors... Or that someone will go on to repeat that "Learned behavior" and somehow that this "generational rapist" should be coddled or excused for such behaviors as they were once a "victim"... Said "Once victim" should know better!

So to excuse away poor behaviors because someone was "Once Damaged" is a pitiful way to believe man is "evolving."

"Mommy beat you, so we understand why you think it's ok to beat your now children".. Is really what people are suggesting when someone goes to a therapist these days, rather than acknowledging the behavior was wrong then, and is even more wrong, BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW IT FEELS... Where has self accountability gone?

and back to the OP.. sorry, I got sidetracked...

No amount of valium, (Or valarian root), or lighting candles, saging, or "cleansing the colon" stop the communications , if they're being perpetuated with technologies, unless those doing so, stop transmitting... So really we need to do more work to figure out what exactly the differences are before we start doling out "Self Help"...

And none of which would stop them from recontacting you, should they desire to do so, at any given time...

The details that you give, do mimic that of the contactee... Telepathic exchanges... "They" knowing your thoughts... (My guess is the mind link to send you information, also allows for them to extract data remotely from the mind equally as well... Just as contactees report as well..) So really, define, in it's most simplist of terms what you believe the schizophrenic condition to be these days, as we can now reproduce it with technologies...

While I do not doubt that there are some mental illnesses that could incapacitate individuals, would one then call a psychic "mentally handicapped"? If one has access to "Others" for their entire life, are they then to be considered ill as a lifelong "disease"?

I think we still know very little about such labels, and the vast array of things that could mimic what doctors have deemed as "schizophrenia..."

and my point is, this thread in itself, is very dangerous indeed...

[Delight]

The details that you give, do mimic that of the contactee... Telepathic exchanges... "They" knowing your thoughts... (My guess is the mind link to send you information, also allows for them to extract data remotely from the mind equally as well... Just as contactees report as well..) So really, define, in it's most simplist of terms what you believe the schizophrenic condition to be these days, as we can now reproduce it with technologies...

While I do not doubt that there are some mental illnesses that could incapacitate individuals, would one then call a psychic "mentally handicapped"? If one has access to "Others" for their entire life, are they then to be considered ill as a lifelong "disease"?

I think we still know very little about such labels, and the vast array of things that could mimic what doctors have deemed as "schizophrenia..."

and my point is, this thread in itself, is very dangerous indeed...

I do not think the discussion of anything is dangerous.

All my life, I have been thinking about remedies. In my family, there was a large range of emotional dysfunction, and psychological symptoms. As everyone may not know, the bible that names groups of symptoms as a disorder has hundreds now of various "Psychiatric Illnesses".

I feel very passionate about the harm done by the medical industrial complex and see it as a PART of a very coherent plan for centuries to materially and psychologically and SPIRITUALLY destroy mankind.

My question is always about how to remedy what is sick and IMO fundamentally the ILLNESS is the INVERSION of what it means to be human. We are FRACTAL AND MULTIDIMENSIONAL but we are limited mostly to a tiny band of perception.

IMO we are all in danger.

IMO the plan is real that this be the end of EVERYTHING here on earth.

However, we have the capacity to heal and this is my intention for us all. We live breathe and have our being in a vast FIELD of IMO sentient energy and there is a direct connection to SOURCE available when we allow it. IMO with God's help each of us is meant to LIVE now. It means we IMO may experience full on what it means be whole.

There is a separate path which detaches form the collective dream and it is not of the mind's creation IMO. It is more our soul being with god HERE.

I want to live where there is no EVIL (LIVE backwards) and where we may LIVE as humans with other LIFE here and where each is connected to GOD directly for energy and information... no astral middlemen. No over wealing Ideologies and systems of programmed responses. This is my favorite vision.

IMO here we are beset by devilish intentions. There are terrible experiences that seem to present in SO MANY ways and all categorized as different and unrelated. Many people are putting patterns together which indicate a common origin (unknown).

This phenomenon of a nameless faceless agency that intends (NOT ACCIDENTAL OR MISTAKEN) to thwart every semblance of who humans really are meant to be exists. I call it the SYSTEM and see heartlessness. It may be some kind of mind, but there seems to be something NONHUMAN or even AI about it. I am not sure there is any consideration at all for the various beings of earth? We do not matter.

Human minions of the system are heartless in their inability to FEEL. Frankly that is the strongest trait of the minion family I was reared in. However, IMO "repression" of humans experience breaks through often as illness, mind, body, spirit. IMO we DO need to remedy what has harmed us.

I absolutely agree that hearing voices "comes" from different reasons. I have curiosity about why and what it means and when people cannot function because of symptoms, what will help?

At this time in my thinking, I am becoming very simple. I suspect that there is a "phenomenon" which expresses in multilayered multifaceted and yet patterned ways. IMO at this time, a coomon source COULD be the WHOLE astral plane. There are entities who are material but not physical. The entities have a kind of will and there is a hierarchy of will. There are darker and lighter layers to the whole SYSTEM but the bottom line is IMO, WE FEED IT. Literally we are the channel (from our innate connection with God source) of ENERGY.

It does not seem far fetched that in the material realm where astral beings live, entities connect to us directly. The ones in schizophrenia seem psychic torturers who challenge people in certain ways with taunts and threats. IMO there is some pattern which "sets people up" for a connection and could include "traumatizing actions". I see the only "way out' is access vast amounts of energy each of us and to destach from the astral entities through reaching OUR hearts, OUR feelings.

This is war and all of us are collateral damage. The SYSTEM has minions who act in this world. The system of programs, government, beurocracy and corporations are not "people". Some common INTELLIGENCE seems to be using it all to make every attempt to destroy, use what we emit as frequency when maimed, undermined, tortured and ultimately to murder the soul.

Our minds when controled by the phenomenon cooperate.

[Denise/Dizi]

Love your take on everything...

There ARE more things at play than we will probably ever know on this plane... Which is why I feel, with our limited knowledge, someone can come out and suggest simple cures for such a serious condition, that may, in some or all parts, be a misdiagnosis of something they may be experiencing...

I once had someone message me prolifically after I began speaking of my own contacts... They were experiencing similar things, but were not considering that it could have been very similar to what I was experiencing as well.. (But it sure sounded like it to me, when they began to share details I had not)... And they went silent for quite some time...

They later returned to tell me that absolutely I was correct, and once they had adjusted the way they were seeing their situation, everything changed, and their communications resumed in a positive way... One honestly cannot know unless they experience something for themselves, and sadly, many do not reveal the full scope of WHAT they're experiencing to the point where it could be examined in full, and instead, they are deemed "Ill"..

There is a lot we cannot see... That we cannot perceive... And I believe that by the time we fully master the mind, we will have developed so many more things just to complicate things, such as the AI you mentioned... I am convinced it already exists, and we are living with a very advanced version of it already.

What I found dangerous was the suggestions that the OP could cure schizophrenia with what they posted... Talking about such things was not the danger I was suggesting, but the "Cure" listed above...

[Delight]

I understand what you re saying I think. Going with my riff about the astral plane's effect on our minds, on our focus and limits we have. I follow a large number of people from the alternative medical community. What I see is a fragmentation about "what is wrong", "what people think caused IT (many ITs), and remedies. The remedies are supplements, techniques, devices aimed at "problems".

If one believes one side of a coin virus/no virus, pharma/natural medicines etc. one searches out the remedies proferred. The FOCUS is all about externals. The FOCUS even with some spiritual remedies is "Jesus/not Jesus, Esoteric/ NO Esoteric polarizes MORE and MORE. The rabbit holes, the never ending inability to find the basic issue and the PROLIFERATION of information that one will find WHEREVER one looks tells ME that the mind is fragmenting.

What I expect is that using our minds will carry us out farther and farther into spins which will entrap us.

So, IMO, it is not unreasonable to regroup back to one's center. Get there any way possible. If I were hearing voices of any kind at all. If I felt s if anything was pushing into my mind, I'd go to my center. There I would send up a spirit rope that surrounds me. I would take it to the heart of "Matter" and send it to the forever infinity. In this surrounding field, I'd bring in my Mother Father essence, my soul, my spirit. I'd feel the whole penetrated by SOURCE. I'd sit with the voices there is my protected and completly FILLED space. I would thank the voices for the service rendered and bring out my SWORD of Light and Truth. In my imagination I would hold tight to my sword (the symbol of I am that)and TURN the voices OVER to God to heal. I'd turn to mother father in my imagination and ask that my body be as intended, my mind clear and my soul shining. I'd let my Holy spirit work on my whole being.

Knowing that my responsibility is to keep my SPACE filled with ME, I'd forget about voices and turn in to my heart and strat filling my space even more than EVER. My experience with this contemplation is a real EMPTYING of much that was afflicting my mind and SILENCE.

It also effects my body and I have energy. We were meant to have unlimited energy and we constrict the flow by our decision we are not able to access it. AND IMO, when we are fully in flow, it could feed some entities and we'd still be fine. The really negative entities cannot absorb pure source energy. They need it stepped down. The "angelic" ones in the astral are IMO maybe able to absorb pure source energy. They may be benign in a way EXCEPT they need us to stay around to bring our connection.

I am going to say this is ALL my spin about IT. ALL spins are Maya and Illusion but MYTHIC ones are very COOL.

I don't really care if my myth is all there is to IT. My Myth is takes me beyond my mind to neutral. That is because IMO I don't need any spin any where or any time. Becoming neutral is my CENTER. Neutrality satisfies. The remedy is all ways: Keep it simple sweetie
GET ALL THE ENERGY ever needed from SOURCE.

However, what is amazing is how I am here with a very satisfying situation. ESSENTIALLY I am left alone happily to be with God. If I am deluded, that is what is. I will find out. And that IMO is the promise...we will all find out truth and be lit up.

[Denise/Dizi]

You nailed so many things in your posts that I didn't venture into..And I cannot even compare my post to the OP, and your nice and refreshing replies...

I suppose to get to the point, I was suggesting giving medical advice for such a very serious condition is irresponsible at best... You understand it perfectly... And your outlook in this life is beautiful... And there is a lot to what you're suggesting as there are so many things we are unaware of, or just learning... There indeed are more realms and or dimensions to our existence.. I firmly believe that.. We can only perceive a very little of all that is... And I suppose that is part of the wonder of what we call life!

[Delight]

You nailed so many things in your posts that I didn't venture into..And I cannot even compare my post to the OP, and your nice and refreshing replies...

I suppose to get to the point, I was suggesting giving medical advice for such a very serious condition is irresponsible at best... You understand it perfectly... And your outlook in this life is beautiful... And there is a lot to what you're suggesting as there are so many things we are unaware of, or just learning... There indeed are more realms and or dimensions to our existence.. I firmly believe that.. We can only perceive a very little of all that is... And I suppose that is part of the wonder of what we call life!

Thanks Denise and all. I am happy we can discuss things on PA, knowing that really what we have is our experience and how we are being through our experience. We just know next to nothing ever except we exist. So, here I go back to center and feel so full of just plain being. Now, I can take anything around or in cyberspace and just look at it with wonder because this SPINNING here is mystery and paradox. Life is so strange.

[Cristi Copac]

i see that nobody is talking about the theory presented. Schizophrenia is a contact with the spirit world and you have spirits in your head. That is why you hear and you see spirits. Also nobody is talking about another theory , the fact that there is a spiritual reason for you having schizophrenia, a spiritual reason, a spiritual disease if you please. Nobody is talking about the wonderful prayer that truly works. The denial of all ancient knowledge is still present. Ancient people were not stupid. They were not stupid for having a religion. Ancient Greece for example. They had science and religion. Both.
Example of a holy book if you are hellenistic. The legends of ancient Greece.
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