Zerzuza (a fabled Lost Oasis), and The Book of Treasures

[Bill Ryan]

A fascinating story, which I'd never heard of before. This is a wonderful read. :flower:


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In 1481, a mysterious figure emerged from the desert in Benghazi. The man, exhausted and delirious after having survived a monstrous sandstorm, demanded to speak to the local emir. Intrigued, the emir allowed him to relay the incredible tale of his survival and how he managed to escape the swallowing sands that every desert traveler feared.

The stranger had been driving camels from the Nile to the oases of Dakhla and Kharga. Then he met a series of misfortunes until Providence put him on the path to an unknown oasis in the Sahara, the Oasis of Little Birds, also called Zerzura.

A tall tale?

Hamid Kiela, the man who found Zerzura, was traveling with a caravan west of the Nile when a sandstorm hit. The rest of the company suffocated, but Hamid sought shelter underneath a dead camel and survived.

After the storm had passed, Hamid had more problems to worry about — mainly food and water. He began to wander the desert in a daze, preparing himself for the inevitable. He passed out, but not long after, a group of strange-looking good Samaritans offered their assistance. They weren’t olive-skinned with dark eyes like everyone else but rather fair-skinned and blue-eyed.

They brought him to a gate with a bird at the top. Inside was an incredible city of white buildings. Significantly for the time, people were not wearing Islamic dress, and there were no mosques. Giants guarded the oasis, and the king and queen were in an enchanted sleep. The guardians of the city were huge birdmen hybrids or jinn.

Zerzura means “bird” or “starling”. Thus, it became known as the Oasis of Little Birds.

Asked by the emir why he didn’t stay in this idyllic oasis, Hamid admits that he left of his own accord. Eventually, Hamid showed the emir a regal-looking ruby ring, implying that he had stolen it. The emir punished him but still sent out search parties to find the oasis, to no avail.

Interestingly, local legend says that the stolen ring, supposedly from Zerzura, sat on the finger of King Idris of Libya.

Book of Treasures

Our tale begins with an Arabic manuscript dating to the 15th century, now lost to us. It was called the Kitab al Kanuz, the “Book of Treasures” or “Book of Hidden Pearls”. It was a codex of over 400 treasure sites in Egypt, had a general compendium of fables and Arabic myths, and included magic spells for various purposes.

One of the stories in this Book of Treasures involved Zerzura. Fragments of this text emerged in 1904 when pieces showed up in an English newspaper based in Cairo called the Egyptian Gazette:
Account of a city and the road to it, which lies east of the Qala’a es Suri, where you will find palms and vines and flowing wells. Follow the valley till you meet another valley opening to the west between two hills. In it, you will find a road. Follow it. It will lead you to the City of Zerzura.

You will find its gate closed. It is a white city, like a dove. By the gate, you will find a bird sculptured. Stretch up your hand to its beak and take from it a key. Open the gate with it and enter the city. You will find much wealth and the king and queen in their palace, sleeping the sleep of enchantment. Do not go near them. Take the treasure and that is all.
Sir Gardner Wilkinson hears the same story

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Sir Gardner Wilkinson

The first mention of Zerzura by a European was in 1835 by Gardner Wilkinson, the father of British Egyptology. He met a man who had lost his camel in the desert. The man claimed to have survived after finding a miraculous oasis five days west of the Farafra-Bahariya caravan route. He called it Wadi Zerzura and said it contained shady palms, refreshing springs, and some peculiar ruins.

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For several years, the Book of Treasures was allegedly in the possession of a member of the Royal Geographic Society named E.A. Johnson Pasha. When the explorer William Joseph King Harding was trying to pinpoint the origin of the Zerzura story, he met with Johnson Pasha. Pasha told him that he possessed the only copy of a manuscript with the routes to Zerzura and other legendary locations, such as the mines of the great Persian king Cambyses. Harding searched for the city in 1909 and 1911 but found nothing.

The Royal Geographic Society published a series of papers and expedition reports related to Zerzura. They described the lost city as a “problem” that needed solving, not just because they did not know its whereabouts but because they believed it played a key role in an ancient expedition.

Richard A. Bermann, in a paper from 1934, explained their thinking. “The famous expedition of King Cambyses’s army against the oasis of Jupiter Ammon could hardly have been planned if the existence of water somewhere in the middle of the desert had not been known. Throughout the Middle Ages, Arab writers had told about a hidden oasis, the name of Zerzura,” he wrote.

Local legends

Harding also heard from locals who claimed to have seen the giant men and animals who hailed from Zerzura or had met residents who emigrated from there. But he heard conflicting reports about the state of the oasis city. Rather than the flourishing, rich city from the Book of Treasures, he often heard of an abandoned oasis. He started to believe that there were dozens of these through the desert.

The Zerzura mystery even inspired the formation of a Zerzura Club. Founded in 1930 by British explorer Ralph Bagnold (famous for crossing the Libyan Desert from east to west), the club had 13 members dedicated to finding the city. It lasted till at least 1935.

A separate group tried to find the city in 1932. Laszlo Almasy, Robert Clayton, pilot H.W.G.J. Penderel, and surveyor Patrick Clayton used planes to scout the desert. They came across lush valleys in southeast Libya containing prehistoric art. Some locals even suggested that the valley belonged to Zerzura.

Theories

There is precious little information about Zerzura, even compared to other mythical places. Take Iram of the Pillars (https://explorersweb.com/exploration-mysteries-iram-of-the-pillars/). It was built by a king named Shaddad for the people of Ad. The city was an opulent paradise that grew too greedy, leading to its destruction.

Zerzura does not seem to be an allegory; there is no obvious moral lesson. We have no archaeological evidence to work with either, merely the fanciful words of a story.

The details about the lack of Islam in the city are peculiar. Was it a sort of commune of non-believers? Was that why the location was such a secret?

Or perhaps it was not ancient or Islamic at all. Travelers passing through might have established the oasis. Many non-Muslims traveled through the Sahara, particularly in the medieval period. It could have been a foreign group living in this oasis that did not adhere to Islamic customs. Additionally, they were fair-skinned and blue-eyed, which indicates a European background. The Crusades lasted until 1291. Were these Crusaders that settled in the desert? The mystery endures.

[Isserley]

A very interesting and intriguing story that I have also never heard before.

There is a movie from 2017 called Zerzura
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt7626082/

Trailer:

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[DNA]

Hold overs from Atlantis?
Giant hybrid human/birds a hold over from what Edgar Cayce talks about as the slave caste of hybrids employed by Atlantis?
The king and queen in a trance? Is this a reference to life extension technology hinted at by Richard Shaver?

Did the inhabitants die or take refuge in an underground cavern of sorts seeing the population of earth's humans growing?

Even the television show StarGate could do an episode with something like this. Especially bird headed giant guardians. The reference here being that many people thought the show a form of soft disclosure of true events being hinted at with the use of recovered portal technology by a real US government agency.

I'm also reminded of the alien visiting race known as the "tall whites" who are very pale, blue eyed, reach larger taller sizes as they age and speak to each other in a manner that sounds and appears like birds singing thus adding the association of birds to the area as well as giants.
All this according to Charles Hall.


Interesting stuff.

[Jim_Duyer]

Very interesting story, thank you. Zerzura, from the Arabic zarazir and zurzur, actually means "starlings", which helps with the name of the oasis, in that starlings, since ancient days, have been known as the messengers from the gods, the ones who are intermediaries between our mortal world and that of other realms, in particular spiritual realms.

[Delight]

Very interesting story, thank you. Zerzura, from the Arabic zarazir and zurzur, actually means "starlings", which helps with the name of the oasis, in that starlings, since ancient days, have been known as the messengers from the gods, the ones who are intermediaries between our mortal world and that of other realms, in particular spiritual realms.

Oasis has always been linked in my mind to magical interaction with "the liminal threshold" between dense matter and finer matter of the "material world". These meeting places between here" and "there" are mysterious but have common elements. David Paulides and others are calling attention to physical features which locations of "encounters" with (?) have in common such as: water, boulders/granite.

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Composition of granite

Quartz (10-50%): a common mineral with a glassy appearance
Feldspar (30-60%): a group of minerals, including plagioclase and alkali feldspar, which can appear white, pinkish, or gray
Micas (5-15%): shiny black or pale minerals, such as muscovite and biotite
Amphiboles (5-10%): a group of minerals, including hornblende, which can appear dark green or black
Trace minerals: a mixture of minor minerals, including iron, magnesium, and others, which contribute to the rock’s color and texture
These minerals make up more than 80% of the rock, with quartz and feldspar being the dominant components. The specific proportions of these minerals can vary, resulting in different colors and textures of granite.


Sand in Saudi Arabi
Sand in Saudi Arabia is primarily composed of quartz, feldspar, calcite, and mica. The mineralogy of sand dunes varies across different locations, but quartz dominates the composition of most sand dunes. Significant amounts of feldspars and mica are found in certain regions, such as Najran, the Red Sea, and Central Arabia. Calcite is present in sand dunes at Sakaka and NW Rub’ al-Khali.

An oasis would be a place where man and djinn might interact. Djinn apparently live in the matterium but at a differenet "frequency"? Cloaking has been established as a real phenomenon for cryptids and djinn. A whole physical location might be cloaked.

Having never met djinn, I only know what I have read. Djinn are a different life form of "smokeless fire" with free will which humans TRY to subvert (as in King Solomon). No wonder there is enmity.

The literature seems consistent that Djinn have INTENTIONS which vary: Positive, negative and neutral. They do meet humans in certain places which I do see as "thin". IS all the PHENOMENON caused by Djinn? I have no idea. However, IMO we should as humans clean up our INTENTIONS and clear OUR psyche so we emit a frequency which would never PLAN EVIL, so therefore harmless, meet friends.

My favorites story of Djinn is the following.


An Encounter With a Jinn (Genie) In Egypt (https://www.sharedwisdom.com/an-encounter-with-a-jinn-genie-in-egypt/)Our travel group was exploring a large mortuary temple called Medinet Habu near the Valley of the Kings on December 10 when two of my friends, Lorenzo and Coyote (aka Lawrence and Barry), told me they had gotten a huge energy surge in a small shrine near the entrance of the complex.

I went back to the shrine to check it out and after admiring a carved granite altar stone at the entrance, I followed my protocol of announcing who I was and what my purpose was for being there, then I asked permission to enter.

Upon stepping into the building, I felt something… it seemed large and rather neutral in its energy expression. I walked cautiously into a narrow corridor whose walls were covered with hieroglyphs. The passageway created a stone-roofed walkway that wrapped around the perimeter of the central room itself (creating a building within a building.)

I paused in the dim corridor, perhaps twelve feet high, and closed my eyes. I waited, then amped up, causing my energy body to surge dramatically. (I have written about my ability to do this in my Spiritwalker Trilogy.) Immediately, I felt a presence. It was right there in the corridor with me. I cracked open an eye. Nothing! Just the tall, dim passageway before and behind me. Whatever it was, it was invisible.

My attention was drawn to the wall to my right and I was started to see an eyeball on the wall—a single living eyeball that suddenly swiveled to look directly at me. Surprised (to say the least) I opened both my eyes and the eye on the wall disappeared as my consciousness shifted to be replaced by a flat hieroglyph behind it carved as an eye. Was it the building itself that was observing me, I wondered? I had no chance to find out as we were on a schedule…

But a day later, we were on our cruise ship heading south up the Nile River toward Edfu, and the group had gathered to do shamanic journeywork in the meeting room behind the bar in the afternoon. I had my drum for sonic liftoff and it was my suggestion that each person bring up a memory of one of the sites that we had visited over the past few days, a place with which they felt a strong connection. And then, following that energetic connection, they would journey back there to investigate the site at the transpersonal level assisted by my drum.

I decided to journey back to the Habu temple, to find out who was living in the shrine. As I began to drum for the group, I closed my eyes and re-geographied my conscious awareness back into that narrow, dim corridor of the shrine in my shamanic ‘dream-body’ and when I arrived, this time there were two eyeballs looking at me as well as the ‘presence’ I had felt the day before. With my arrival, it ‘fluttered’ uncertainly.

To cut to the chase, I discovered there was a Jinn living in the shrine or to be more precise, a jinni (genie) since it was male (female Jinn are called jinniya.) Once before in Egypt I had encountered a Jinn (in 2003—a full article will be posted under Shaman Wisdom shortly.)

Those familiar with the Holy Ku’ran (Koran) will know that the prophet Mohammed himself spoke about the Jinn and proclaimed them as real. Formed of holy fire (energy) and normally invisible (but capable of becoming visible at their pleasure,) the Jinn are spirits who live in (usually lonely) places in Nature. They come in three varieties, flying Jinn, earthbound Jinn and water Jinn. The Ku’ran says that they are moral, but as all who encounter them know, they can be mischievous, even malicious at times.

They may fall into the same category as the faeries since they live in this world (not the spirit world.) If they come into relationship with you and you cannot control them, they may very well control you and this can cause serious problems, so I approached the jinni in the shrine with caution.

We then had an extraordinary conversation directed by my inner anthropologist, of course, who knows how to ask the right questions.


A Conversation With a Jinn (Genie) In Egypt (https://www.sharedwisdom.com/a-conversation-with-a-jinn-genie-in-egypt/)
I recently had an encounter with a Jinn in Egypt.

In Arabic, male Jinn are called ‘jinni’ and females ‘jinniya.’ They are earthbound spirits who may fall into the same category as the faeries of European lore as they live in this world (right here) as opposed to the transpersonal forces that reside in the spirit world (over there.)

In the Holy Ku’ran (Koran), the great prophet Mohammed himself reveals that the Jinn are real, that they are formed of holy fire (energy) and that they are normally invisible, but capable of becoming visible at their pleasure. He proclaims that they are moral, but that they can also be mischievous, even troublesome, to those who cannot control them.

This Jinn was encountered in a shrine at the great mortuary temple of Medinat Habu near the Valley of the Kings. After my initial encounter in the temple on Dec. 7, 2009, I returned to the shrine through my shamanic journeywork on Dec. 8 where the Jinn and I then had a most unusual conversation.

Let me say in advance that this dialogue did not occur in English nor in Arabic but rather in the non-verbal communication modality that I conceive of as ‘think-feeling.’ My job, as always, is to translate and reconstruct the entirety of the contact after the fact from blocks of information that I can recall and transcribe into written notes.

As a prelude, allow me to offer that during the second encounter, the jinni manifested itself first as two disembodied eyeballs… and since this didn’t deter me, it then carefully chose to reveal itself as a smoky humanoid form that flickered at the edges, shifting back and forth from one vague shape to another in pastel hues of orange, yellows and greens, with deeper core areas of more brilliant light as its mood shifted in response to our dialogue.

But if its etheric form was somewhat diffuse, its voice was quite distinct, allowing me to share what follows with confidence.

After identifying myself and what my intentions were for being there (in my journeywork), I revealed that I had been there the day before (and the Jinn remembered this,) that I had been in contact with Jinn before in Ethiopia in 1995 and 1996, and in Egypt in 2003.

I mention this because upon learning that I had had contact with the Jinn before, the jinni became most respectful, even helpful.

Knowing that the Jinn can be mischievous, I tricked it into telling me its name, and after that I was the one in control and the Jinn could not lie to me. I say this for those of you among my readers who know the Jinn and how tricky dealing with them can be

Initially the Jinn revealed that it had originally come from a place in the western desert (the name of this place meant nothing to me, nor could I later find it on a map,) and that it had attached itself to an early traveler through that region who had eventually come to Egypt. When I asked ‘when?’ the jinni didn’t seem to understand the question.

When its human ‘host’ had died, the jinni had decided to remain near the river Nile and had taken up residence in different places, most recently in this shrine once the temple had been released from the grip of the desert sands that had covered most of it in the interim. When I asked how long it had been there, once again it didn’t seem to understand the question.

(My note: The Jinn’s confusion about time is in alignment with my understanding that it is only when we are embodied in physical form that we are subject to and immersed within ‘Time.’ When we are in spirit between lives, we are then in the ‘timeless.’ And since Jinn are without physical form, they are in fact in the realm of timeless in which all time is ‘now.’)

Has the conversation that follows been influenced by my own current interests and interpretations? Undoubtably, as I am a scholar and I do a lot of reading, yet the interwoven information that follows is compelling to say the least, even heretical at times. So here it is for your consideration, recorded shortly after it occurred…

THE CONVERSATION (taken from my written notes)

I began by asking the jinni if there was anything it wanted… a good beginning.

In the pregnant silence that followed my question, an image of the carved granite altar in front of the shrine came up in my mind. In response, the Jinn’s field brightened considerably as though a pulse of energy surged through its light… and hesitantly, almost shyly, an answer came…

‘Honey!’

As I digested this request, my impressions of the Jinn that was before me were somewhat like being observed by a cat waiting to be fed. There was that same unwavering, expectant intensity. In response, I used my creative imagination, a function of my egoic mental soul, to create a small bowl of honey as a thoughtform. I held it is my hands for long moments (in the hands of my dream-body, of course, for I was ‘there’ in my shamanic visioning.)

I had the Jinn’s complete attention.

As I slowly extended my dream arms to place the dream bowl of honey on the altar, I said: ‘I will give you this honey if you will tell me your name.’

Any resistance in the Jinn was gone. As it took the honey and drank it gratefully, the jinni’s name appeared in my mind. Then… satisfied, the jinni turned its attention fully toward me. Was there an energetic smile? Perhaps…

J(inn): You humans are creators. We, the Jinn, cannot create but we can mimic… we can imitate… and we can affect potential outcomes, but we cannot create.

(There was a long thoughtful pause and then:)

J: Few can perceive us anymore and fewer still can bind us to their will. Now that I have told you my name great one (offered respect to me,) you can ask me to serve you, and I will.

HW: I have been called by other Jinn ‘El Kobbet’—the binder… And what qualities and abilities do you possess that might be of service to me?

(The Jinn flickered thoughtfully, then answered.)

J: I can protect you from enemies and I can inflict curses and misfortune on those who oppose you.

HW: I am constrained in my practice from inflicting harm on anyone for any reason…

(Still, I thought, this genie might come in handy if a real bad guy came along or someone threatened me of my family with harm.)

J: …Or with ill will…

(I had momentarily forgotten that the mental channel was an open one.)

HW: How about healing work?

(The Jinn’s field dimmed in intensity. His answer was startling.)

J: Who can say what is written on another person’s soul? We cannot purposefully influence their destiny without tampering with their agreement.

HW: Agreement with who…?

J: With the higher organizing intelligences…

HW: Are the Jinn below them in the spiritual hierarchy?

J: Oh yes. Some of the younger Jinn occasionally misbehave. The watchers approach them then and encourage them in more appropriate forms of expression.

HW: Who are the watchers?

J: The ones among the higher intelligences responsible for this world. We are not allowed to interfere with humans on their path although there are some who do, as well as those who function as adversaries.

(I thought about some of my recent reading and asked:

HW: Are those the ones that the Gnostikoi called the archons?

(I used the Greek term for the Gnostics.)

J: Oh… so you know about them… (The Jinn’s field brightened reflecting excitement.) The archons are not true spirits. They are mind beings, mental entities many of who were created by humans as thought-forms. Many of these function as attachments… as mental parasites.

HW: How do they do that?

J: They feed on the energy… on the attention paid to them by humans. This includes the energy generated by human belief systems. But they are not true spirits and they will cease to exist if nobody pays attention to them any more. The ones you call ‘the archons’ are those that we call ‘the deceivers,’ and like us they are not creative. But they can mimic and they can take on forms in response to human belief systems.

(I thought about this at some length, then asked.)

HW: Are they the ones we call the aliens or extraterrestrials?

(The Jinn didn’t appear to understand the question so I explained. Its response was more than interesting.)

J: The deceivers can take on many forms, drawing from the belief systems of humans… and… there are also visitors who come here from other places.

HW: From other worlds?

J: Yes.

HW: Who are they and why do they come here?

J: They are ‘others’ and they come here as visitors.

HW: Why do they abduct humans and perform experiments on them?

J: They don’t. That is the deceivers who do that.

HW: The deceivers? Why do they do that?

J: Humans are greater than the deceivers. The deceivers that you have called the archons wish to become more like humans. They cannot create. They can only imitate and the only power that they have is derived from humans. Humans have power… and the deceivers want that power.

HW: Why don’t the watchers, as you call them, inhibit the archons, the deceivers, from interfering with humans?

J: The deceivers are not spirits. They live in the human mind, so the watchers cannot affect them.

(I considered this at some length, then asked some more questions.)

HW: How long will you remain in this shrine?

(Again, the Jinn didn’t appear to understand the question, so I rephrased it.)

J: This is my place.

HW: If I travel in my spirit form, in my dream-body to this place, will I find you here?

J: Yes.

HW: Why do you remain here instead of going someplace else?

J: This is my place.

HW: Some years ago I met a jinniya in the desert to the south of this place. She was of service to me in an interesting way. Do you know her?

J: Yes. All the Jinn know each other.

HW: Can you tell me her name?

J: No.

HW: Can you convey my greetings to her as well as my respect?

J: Yes… but you can do that yourself if you have connection with her.

HW: I have not felt the connection for many years…

J: Time is ‘not’ in the world of spirit. All time is now.

HW: Do the Jinn exist elsewhere in the world, beyond the deserts of Egypt and the Middle east?

J: Yes.

HW: What are they called.

J: I do not know. We are the Jinn… earthbound spirits. We live where we wish.

HW: Where did the Jinn come from?

J: The Jinn are manifestations of great spiritual force that the Gnostikoi called the Sophia. Everything that exists on this world exists as manifestations of the Sophia.

HW: Who or what is the Sophia?

J: She is the soul of this world.

HW: Does she have a physical aspect?

J: Yes. This world is her physical aspect.

HW: Where did Sophia come from?

J: She came from the center of…

(The Jinn used a strange term to me. In asking for clarification, I was given to understand that the Sophia came from the core of our galaxy.)

HW: Is the Sophia a goddess?

J: I don’t know. She emerged from the (strange term) as a river of conscious light. She dreams and all that she dreams comes into manifestation. That means that she is an (unrecognizable term).

(I changed tactics.)

HW: Do the Jinn have souls?

J: Yes. Everything that exists has a soul.

HW: Are there greater Jinn and lesser Jinn?

J: Yes.

HW: Are you a greater Jinn?

J: No.

HW: Are you a lesser Jinn?

J: No.

(I didn’t know if the jinni was simply being modest or whether it didn’t understand the question, so I asked this: ‘Who are the lesser Jinn?’)

J: They are units of ensouled energy that are growing in their awareness.

HW: Where do they originate?

J: From the Sophia. She emanates and they are products of her dreaming.

HW: Are they orbs?

(The Jinn didn’t understand ‘orbs’ so I elaborated about those spheres of light picked up by the flash of digital cameras. I also disclosed how our photographs taken in the great Egyptian temples at night often revealed masses of orbs while photos taken away from the sites revealed few or none. This was the Jinn’s response.)

J: These ‘orbs’ are units of ensouled light in the process of growing and becoming more. They approach you because they are curious about you… they are drawn toward human thoughts and emotions.

HW: Are they Jinn?

J: They are Jinn in becoming.

HW: Are the Jinn responsible for the crop circles?

(Again, it didn’t understand the question. When I explained, it still didn’t know… but it did offer and opinion.)

J: Perhaps these signs are created by the higher organizing intelligences.

HW: Why would they do that?

J: To get your attention.

HW: Why would they want to do that?

J: I do not know. Maybe to reveal their presence and their awareness of you and your deeds… or misdeeds.

(We seemed to be coming to the end of our conversation, so I asked a few more questions.)

HW: Were humans created by God?

J: No. Humans are manifestations of the Sophia.

HW: Creations of the Sophia?

J: No. The Sophia does not create. She emanates and she does so through her dreaming. Humans create.

HW: So are human souls emanations of Sophia’s dreaming?

J: No. Your souls are sourced by the Originator. It is your body that is human with its raw powerful emotions. Your soul is simply a soul. It is spirit in nature and it is not human.

HW: Is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic father god (Yahweh-Jehovah-Allah) the Originator?

J: No.

HW: Is it the creator?

J: No.

HW: Who or what is Yahweh-Jehovah-Allah?

J: He is the arch deceiver. You might call him the lord archon after the terminology of the Gnostikoi.

(I thought about this for several moments, then…)

HW: Who and what is the lord archon?

J: He is the arch mind parasite who has been serving as humanity’s adversary and who has been operating against humans from his beginnings.

(I digested this for more long moments. From my readings I would learn that this insight is in alignment with information recorded by the Gnostics in the Nag Hammadi Library found in the desert near Dendara in Egypt—scrolls that date from the 4th Century.)

HW: You mean that he is not the creator as so many humans believe and claim?

J: Yes. The arch deceiver cannot create anything although he claims that he can. He is an archon. He can only mimic.

HW: Why is he so powerful and why have all three of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) revered him?

J: They were all of them deceived by the lord archon. He is the arch deceiver and he derives his power from those he has deceived—from those who believe that he is the creator… that he is the Originator. But he is not.

HW: So he is not the Originator?

J: That is correct. He is the lord archon.

HW: Are the archons—the deceivers—evil?

J: No.

HW: Do they operate in the negative polarity? (This took some explaining.)

J: Yes. They encourage humans to go wrong in their behavior.

HW: Why do they do this?

J: That is their nature. They are deceivers.

HW: And what then is the source of evil?

J: Humans. The archons influence humans to err in their behavior until they reach that point where they can no longer self correct. At that point, humans create evil because that is their nature. They are creators and they have been influenced by the deceivers. They are still being influenced by the deceivers.

HW: So evil did not exist until humans created it?

J: That is correct.

HW: And is the Lord Archon is evil?

J: No. He is the arch deceiver who has operated against humanity as the adversary since his beginning.

HW: Is this why so many religious wars have been fought in the name of religion? Is this why millions of women were killed by the Church in the Middle Ages during the Great Witch Hunts?

J: Yes. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic god is the lord archon. It was his influence that manifested itself in humans with twisted minds to manifest great acts of evil. He is still doing that.

HW: You mean that he still has the power to do that again?

J: The Lord archon has no power of his own. He is not a creator. He is an archon. Humans are creators and what they create is up to them. He influences them to go into what you call the negative polarity because that is his nature.

HW: So the choice is ultimately ours?

J: That is correct. Humans can create evil or they can create its opposite.

HW: Is that how we deal with the problem of evil?

J: I do not know. That is your responsibility as humans. In my opinion, humans created evil now they must un-create it.

HW: How do we do that?

J: By creating evil’s opposite. And by changing your thoughts. The archons live in your thoughts. They are what you would call psychic vampires who feed on the energy of your thoughts and emotions. Yet humans will always have the power that comes with choice for humans are creators, but if humans allow the archons to influence them in your thinking, you humans will choose wrongly. The deceivers take delight in violence and warfare, greed and deception, competition and denial, corruption and mendacity. They encourage humans to take refuge in what you have called the negative polarity. I like this term.

HW: Did we create the gods?

J: That is correct.

HW: Who or what is the Originator?

J: No one knows. That is the Great Mystery.

HW: Where is the Originator?

J: Everywhere.

HW: So it is the creator?

J: No. The Originator emanates. It does not purposefully create. Humans do that.

HW: Can we interact with the Originator? Does it listen to our prayers?

J: No. It simply exists. It emanates for that is its nature.

HW: So the Originator is not a God?

J: No. It is the Originator.

(I asked a few last questions.)

HW: Is there a personal god who listens to our prayers, works in mysterious ways, and so forth and so on…?

J: Yes. That personal god is your own soul… the immortal part of your self who does not die. You humans have created it on your long journey across eternity. Unlike the archons, your individual soul aspect is a true spirit and resides always in the spirit world. It is part of the dreaming and as such, it dreams… always.

HW: And whose dream does it dream?

J: Its own.

HW: So when we pray to god almighty, we are actually praying to ourself?

J: That is correct. You are praying to your soul-self, your higher self, your god self. This is how the real gods come into being… You ensouled humans are all in the process of becoming god-selves. And when you dream, this experience is actually your higher-soul’s dream.

HW: Do the Jinn have god-selves?

J: We are god-selves. We are spirits. And we have free will.

It was at this point that this extraordinary conversation came to a close.

[Jim_Duyer]

Sorry, I now see that, while not mentioning the theme of messengers, the website you linked does mention starlings. Perhaps I can make up that error with the following:


I would like to offer some input on Iram, the City of the Pillars, and the giants (tall, blonde people) of the lost city.

Iram of the Pillars or the "City of the pillars", is considered a lost city, region or tribe mentioned in the Quran. The Quran mentions Iram in connection with 'imad (pillars):

89:6 Did you not see how your Lord dealt with 'Ad—
89:7 the people of Iram—with their great stature,
89:8 unmatched in any other land;

'Ad was an ancient tribe in pre-Islamic Arabia mentioned frequently in the Quran.
They are understood as "an ancient nation that had perished."

According to Islamic tradition. 'Ad was the son of Uz, who was the son of Aram, who was the son of Shem, the son of Noah. Therefore, Noah is said to be 'Ad's great-great-grandfather.

The city of Uz was named after this son of 'Ad.
Job, of the Book of Job, was from Uz.
Uz has been identified with the bend in the Halys River (now called the Kizilirmak) in
Anatolia (modern Turkey).
Job was a Hatti, the predecessors to the Hittites, and originally from the area
just north of the Black Sea. The Ukraine, southern Russia and Georgia are parts of
that native land.
Enoch claimed to have been set down by Angels where the sun had 17 hours of daylight, or on the 46th degree longitude, which is in that same area.
Noah had white hair (blonde) and brilliant sparkling eyes (blue) and was tall.
The origin or first notice of blond hair is in that same area, as well as blue eyes.
The Don river flows from Russia into the Black Sea as one of the sources of it.
According to the Kurgan hypothesis, the Volga-Don river region was the homeland of the Proto-Indo-Europeans around 4,000 BC.
The Volga feeds the Caspian Sea, which is the eastern border of this same area.
It is possible that the remnants of the lost Atlantis landed, in part, in that same area, by way of the Don and the Volga rivers.
Thus the taller than normal, blond, light-colored eyes people, could certainly represent a group related to Atlantis, to Noah and Job, to most of the people of Anatolia, and with a colony in that South Arabian (Yemen) area of the Desert where Iram was.

The members of the tribe of 'Ad, one of the original tribes of Arabia, and known as 'Adites, were a prosperous nation until they were destroyed, according to Islamic tradition, after they rejected the teaching of a monotheistic prophet named Hud.

HD is a South Arabic (language used prior to Islam in the Arabic peninsula) word meaning "one, a certain, together, unanimous", which reflects the monotheistic mention above. The one god prophet.

We might propose a connection to Solomon, and the wealth of Solomon, and perhaps one of the sources of that wealth, which is Seba, ancient Queen of Yemen and that area of the desert, who was one of the wives of Solomon, and who brought back the Hebrew monotheistic religion to her people. The Bible calls her Queen Sheba, but Seba is the actual name of the nation, the language and the people.

She was the Queen of Seba, which encompassed modern Yemen as well as modern Ethiopia.

[Jim_Duyer]

Delight: However, IMO we should as humans clean up our INTENTIONS and clear OUR psyche so we emit a frequency which would never PLAN EVIL, so therefore harmless, meet friends.

Words of wisdom that should be set in front of everyone - or used as their status page/screen saver.

Jinn, IMHO, represent the balance. And like most of humanity, they have the balance of good and evil, but also the moderating axel of the un-involved, the ones who don't wish to be bothered, and the ones who force their eyes to see only what "tickles them". In other words 95% of humanity.

[Jim_Duyer]

Many topics ago, I mentioned finding directions to a horde of tablets, rewritten from the Pillars Of Seth, and buried in northern Syria, along with explicit instructions on their location. Possibly, since I posit Iram as a possible outpost of both this site in Syria and connected to Atlantis, they give the location of this lost city. Job wrote them, with Sumerian as the underlying language, so translation would not be a problem. Job also mentions that part of his own group left to go south into Arabia.
Just throwing it out there.