There Are 12 Gods?

[Mike]

I have mixed feelings about this podcast "Next Level Soul". The interviewees are usually NDE'ers, "healers", "gurus", "psychics", and so on. And nearly 100% of them are selling something.

It's a feel-goody show, and I usually walk away feeling like my dopamine centers have been hijacked in some way. It's not that I don't like to feel good, but I don't like to feel sedated, overly tranquil, or sort of burnt out. It makes me suspicious and cynical.

Having said all that, I typically enjoy the interviews, maybe as novelties more than anything else. So take all this with a grain of salt maybe.

This interview features R.J. Spina, who is some kind of healer and spiritually advanced type if his bio is to be believed. I read his first book, which more or less claims he healed his shattered spine with his mind. He travels "frequentially" as he calls it (not dimensionally) and is able to acquire most of his knowledge that way.

He says alotta novel and interesting things in the interview (Jesus was never crucified; he lived to 117; he had kids with Mary Magdelene; there were 24 disciples, 12 men and 12 women...) but the most novel and interesting thing he claims is that there are actually 12 Gods, and the "ascended masters" (Jesus, Buddha, Saint Germain, Babaji, Sri Yukteswar, Yogananda etc) have all done work here on earth but come from different "Gods" (I think he said Babaji was the only master here on earth that originated from our God).

I don't know what to think of it. But I offer it all up here as a point of curiosity. 1 hour and 40 mins:
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[Mike Gorman]

I think once again uncle Cliff is on the money: "So the subject today is another layer upon the dynamics that are going through humanity at this current time. So we're in a period of hyper-novelty, which I'm defining as that period of time when there is no longer authority that backs information. So all information is just out there on its own.
There's no authority backstopping it to allow you to have trust in it. So you can't trust government. You can't trust media. You can't trust the people next door to you because you don't know what their inputs are and how their mental processes are dealing with those inputs. So their conclusions are suspect."
We are presented with all kinds of claims, people saying they visit 'other realms' to obtain their uniquely effective knowledge, and we process all of these claims and conclude that something very strange is going on: all of the previously concrete information and ideas which we were brought up accepting, the empirical basis of science, the verified results of numerous tests, the academic perspectives.
GOD - funny how this ultimate entity keeps reappearing and people claim to be able to speak with it and relate magical insights.
At this time we need to always remember that people can 'say' anything, Caveat Emptor, show me the results and repeat them-or shut the **** up. Sorry if that sounds irritable.

[palehorse]

I think once again uncle Cliff is on the money: "So the subject today is another layer upon the dynamics that are going through humanity at this current time. So we're in a period of hyper-novelty, which I'm defining as that period of time when there is no longer authority that backs information. So all information is just out there on its own.
There's no authority backstopping it to allow you to have trust in it. So you can't trust government. You can't trust media. You can't trust the people next door to you because you don't know what their inputs are and how their mental processes are dealing with those inputs. So their conclusions are suspect."
We are presented with all kinds of claims, people saying they visit 'other realms' to obtain their uniquely effective knowledge, and we process all of these claims and conclude that something very strange is going on: all of the previously concrete information and ideas which we were brought up accepting, the empirical basis of science, the verified results of numerous tests, the academic perspectives.
GOD - funny how this ultimate entity keeps reappearing and people claim to be able to speak with it and relate magical insights.
At this time we need to always remember that people can 'say' anything, Caveat Emptor, show me the results and repeat them-or shut the **** up. Sorry if that sounds irritable.

Mike Gorman, not at all. you are correct.

there is basically two schemes to grab people's mind nowadays, one is money obviously (selling content) the other is giving what people wanna hear (free content) and asking the money down the road when it is already too late to turn back. It is a win-win situation for them not for the audience.

For example if you sell your content online, you would attack me saying that I am wrong, because there is a fair trade and after all everything cost so there is a charge to be applied, nobody work for free. YES I agree with that mindset, selling product and services is OKAY. What is not OKAY is selling paradise, using deceiving mechanism in marketing to inject subliminal message to the people that can't understand those things. In other words there is a lot of desperation out there, lost souls, they are fighting hard to fit into something, and that is when these marketeers come in, they can make ton of money with the correct strategy exploiting those suffering. It is disgusting and all these people should be ashamed of themselves.

Me too I apologize for the words above, but I already got enough from all that crap.

[Losus4]

I've watched many Next Level Soul podcasts, and the NDE'ers he has on are always excellent and fairly credible, in that they "died" and are simply recounting their experience. All the other guests however, like the channels and psychics are just kooks who I get the feeling have read one-too-many new age books. Also the host seems like a genuine guy, but the click-bait titles get a bit annoying after a while. "Guy died and THIS is what happened" ... "You will hear this ONE TRUTH and your life will be CHANGED FOREVER" It is patronizing to the viewer.

[Johnnycomelately]

Mike, please lay off the loosh. Are there twelve gods? Who cares. I only watched the first two minutes +:20 of your OP vid, and it is not worth spending more time on.

Novelty interviews, especially ones that we are advised to consume with salt, don’t deserve their own thread. I suggest that stuff like this be instead posted on some thread that nobody takes seriously, like my thread Great storytelling, longform, random topics.

Cheers, and be well, Sir.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122172-Great-storytelling-longform-random-topics.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I listened to this the other day. I got to the 45 minute mark before quitting. I didn't get on with it. I learned long ago to trust my intuition, to what my gut had to say about fringe material and 'hyper-novelty'. Sometimes, with material like this, the plane is cutting against the grain of the wood. That's what it feels like. I can't explain it, and I can't justify it, but to me it's just wrong. It's screaming out wrong. What this guy had to say was like that.

That's not to say he is wrong, but I personally got the strong sense (gut sense, spidey sense, intuition etc), that what I was listening to in this interview was -- for what it's worth -- either fabricated or inaccurate.

[Harmony]

Mike, I haven't finished listening to the whole video yet, but I did find it very interesting and how it might bring together different constructs or layers of reality that might be there for different reasons. Some may be original (organic) others simulations for experience.


Sometimes many like to put everything into good or bad categories, only this or that, sometimes missing that we might all be right like the parable of the blind men feeling different parts of the elephant, noticing new parts but still working out what and how things might fit into the whole as we connect diferent dots of an expanding awareness of reality. I enjoy these kind of videos because they explore different perspectives and you can take what you want from them and save other parts to put on the back burner of your mind for later if they are needed. :stars:

[ulli]

There is a Creator, and there is infinite creation.

Infinite interpretations, most of which don’t come even near.

Our minds need to be blown before we get what infinity means.

This can happen in several ways, the best of which is via an act of grace from Creator directly.

Or via psychedelics, although taking them gives no guarantee that the highest hierarchy will reveal Itself.

There are many hierarchies out there, and may start off via a direct revelation, but then over time get corrupted.

So it’s up to the Seeker, to beg Creator to reveal Itself.

[Orph]

How can this possibly be of any value if I'm left off of the "God List".
:flame:



:laughs: :P

[Open Minded Dude]

Reading the description in the OP is enough for me already, honestly I cannot even bring myself to watch something like this in the first place.
:worried::stop:

[mountain_jim]

There is a Creator, and there is infinite creation.

Infinite interpretations, most of which don’t come even near.

Our minds need to be blown before we get what infinity means.

This can happen in several ways, the best of which is via an act of grace from Creator directly.

Or via psychedelics, although taking them gives no guarantee that the highest hierarchy will reveal Itself.

There are many hierarchies out there, and may start off via a direct revelation, but then over time get corrupted.

So it’s up to the Seeker, to beg Creator to reveal Itself.


Well, for what it's worth, these tools/experiences were how I was suddenly removed from my everyday reality tunnel programming and became deeply aware of what I understood was The One, the union of all, and the holographic 'as above, so below' relationship between my 'separate' ego self and the One.

(I also was reading various books at the time which supported this understanding conceptually but it was the direct experience of this which made this real for me.)

Just read today, in stork's thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123504-I-m-a-visitor.-In-my-home-world-we-only-have-one-written-law-balance&p=1630996&viewfull=1#post1630996), a description from stork (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123504-I-m-a-visitor.-In-my-home-world-we-only-have-one-written-law-balance&p=1631460&viewfull=1#post1631460) that matched somewhat my awakened understanding from my highest psychedelic (entheogen) experiences. For me, however, The One was not just a human collective, but all of everything.

Logically, all things have relationships, so the sum of all interrelated things has to be a Unity, The One.

Or so my understanding, from direct experience rather than belief, came to me.

(from stork)



All human come from the same source. The one. It splits into many many parts probably as a way of knowing oneself. As the little ones gain more awareness so does the big one. The one is more or less synced with the collective. We view the Bigger source the same, it is not all knowing all powerful it evolves with us simultaneously. As above so below. The one is created for a purpose, just like all of us. As you search for your individual purposes and evolve as one, your collective purpose will be revealed. I am excited to see what it is.

[ExomatrixTV]

I noticed that some "spiritual minded" people can claim super controversial things in such a way that they come across "100% sure of themselves" (like an actor can do if they really are "in to it") ... as if they were actually present and witnessed the whole thing they claim ... but how many times it is all about them sharing a "story telling" of somebody else? ... or they assume to "know" things through "paranormal" means >>> when that is the case, you suppose to "believe" their word.

Now, the word "believe" already implies to me: "not for sure knowing" ... you either really know for sure or you don't ... the "believe business" always love to ride with others doing the same and feeling exited about it ... that can be very entertaining & fascinating!

You could "consider the possibility" but do not expect to get direct proof nor real evidence of what they claim ... and anyone who demands or asking for that, "spoiling" the spiritual intended party-line.

I, too, have shared that kind of talk, but then add my proper reservations & disclaimers by default >>> stating I can not prove what I claim or this is my feeling or "deeper insights" coming from my intuition that is not flawless. etc. etc.

Do more people noticed that more and more Christians are moving in that direction too ?? claiming things with a certain "authoritative" type of speaking/mannerism ... as if they can "never be wrong" having zero healthy self-doubt.

Imagine if anyone who talks on a big video stream platform are asked: "how are you so sure of what you claim?" ... with the emphasis on "how" ... You can ask this question in 2 intended ways:


Intention 01. You really want to find out how it is done to learn from it and do the same if it has any merit ...
Intention 02. You assume he or she can not know for sure and corner him or her with the: "how are you so sure of what you claim?" question, not expecting to get a real honest answer.

Then you have people who never ask the: "how are you so sure?" question, because that suppose to be "inappropriate" ... thinking you are most likely be seen as a "party pooper (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/party%20pooper)", correct?

Have you also noticed that the interviewer NEVER ask the: "how are you so sure?" question ... because he knows it spoils "the fun" of the whole interview https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/wink_animated.gif

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[RunningDeer]

I like how RJ expressed this @ 1:30:00.




"All the forces are at work to try to hold down the flower blooming by putting us on a different timeline so we don't have the tangible experience of our own expansion."

In case it needs to be said, we each do something about it for ourself.


Sometimes many like to put everything into good or bad categories, only this or that, sometimes missing that we might all be right like the parable of the blind men feeling different parts of the elephant, noticing new parts but still working out what and how things might fit into the whole as we connect different dots of an expanding awareness of reality. I enjoy these kind of videos because they explore different perspectives and you can take what you want from them and save other parts to put on the back burner of your mind for later if they are needed. :stars:



Dear Harmony...https://i.imgur.com/nXE8XIj.gif

:heart:

[Bill Ryan]

There's only one God, ma'am, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that.

:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8ZhOMGvhcU[/url]

[Kryztian]

Mike you are asking two very different questions here which I think each deserve their own thread:


What do we think of this particular video with RJ Spina?


Are there 12 Gods?


Question #1, I flipped around and listened to about 15 minutes of it and found it marginally better than David Wilcox, although without the whack-a-doodle nuttiness of Wilcox that makes me occasionally chuckle. This video filled with unique "information" and "ideas", however, information and ideas come from some place and Spina is super vague about where all these things originate, as he confidently rattles off his unique view of the universe. He claims to be a channel, however, most of the info here sounds more like information from esoteric books slightly modified by him just to make himself different.

The idea of the 12 gods, PJ Spina says, comes from the Bible, specifically the book of Genesis, which mentions them. Well, "Elohim" is mentioned in several books of the Bible, from Genesis up to the Psalms. It is mentions them both in singular and plural form, but nowhere does it mention a number or say that there are 12 of them. He also mentions that the idea of 12 gods comes from "the Hindu texts" but doesn't mention which text by name (probably because he has never read any of them.)

In other words, I call :bs: on PJ Spina.

A good question to ask yourself when asking these types of "Where does he get this information from? How does he know this?" Asking these types of questions can help you to develop your inner bullshítometer.

Question #2 - The idea of 12 gods has an quite a life in some other esoteric traditions. Freemasons, for example, will tell you have 12 is a special number, from the 12 tribes of Israel, Jesus's 12 disciples/apostles, 12 houses of the zodiac to the 12 ages (each about 2,300 year long) within the precession of the equinoxes (about 26,000 years). Each of those 2,300 "ages" has a different religion. We are in the age of Pisces, the fish, which is the symbol of Christ - so we are in the Christian age.

Also Zecharia Sitchin wrote "The 12th planet" and has commented how many pagan religions have pantheons of gods (e.g. Greek, Roman, Norse, Egyptian) and how all these pantheons seems to be reinterpretations of the Sumerian pantheon of 12 gods, which correspond to 12 planets (where the Sun, Moon and Niberu are counted.)

Back to question # 1 - I am going to guess that this guy read something like Sitchin or Manly Palmer Hall and got the idea of 12 gods, but couldn't remember were these ideas came from and instead attributes them to the Bible and "The Hindu texts" and thanks to Ayahuasca or Shrooms he was able to "channel" his own version of the twelve gods.

[Mike]

Mike you are asking two very different questions here which I think each deserve their own thread:


What do we think of this particular video with RJ Spina?


Are there 12 Gods?


Question #1, I flipped around and listened to about 15 minutes of it and found it marginally better than David Wilcox, although without the whack-a-doodle nuttiness of Wilcox that makes me occasionally chuckle. This video filled with unique "information" and "ideas", however, information and ideas come from some place and Spina is super vague about where all these things originate, as he confidently rattles off his unique view of the universe. He claims to be a channel, however, most of the info here sounds more like information from esoteric books slightly modified by him just to make himself different.

The idea of the 12 gods, PJ Spina says, comes from the Bible, specifically the book of Genesis, which mentions them. Well, "Elohim" is mentioned in several books of the Bible, from Genesis up to the Psalms. It is mentions them both in singular and plural form, but nowhere does it mention a number or say that there are 12 of them. He also mentions that the idea of 12 gods comes from "the Hindu texts" but doesn't mention which text by name (probably because he has never read any of them.)

In other words, I call :bs: on PJ Spina.

A good question to ask yourself when asking these types of "Where does he get this information from? How does he know this?" Asking these types of questions can help you to develop your inner bullshítometer.

Question #2 - The idea of 12 gods has an quite a life in some other esoteric traditions. Freemasons, for example, will tell you have 12 is a special number, from the 12 tribes of Israel, Jesus's 12 disciples/apostles, 12 houses of the zodiac to the 12 ages (each about 2,300 year long) within the precession of the equinoxes (about 26,000 years). Each of those 2,300 "ages" has a different religion. We are in the age of Pisces, the fish, which is the symbol of Christ - so we are in the Christian age.

Also Zecharia Sitchin wrote "The 12th planet" and has commented how many pagan religions have pantheons of gods (e.g. Greek, Roman, Norse, Egyptian) and how all these pantheons seems to be reinterpretations of the Sumerian pantheon of 12 gods, which correspond to 12 planets (where the Sun, Moon and Niberu are counted.)

Back to question # 1 - I am going to guess that this guy read something like Sitchin or Manly Palmer Hall and got the idea of 12 gods, but couldn't remember were these ideas came from and instead attributes them to the Bible and "The Hindu texts" and thanks to Ayahuasca or Shrooms he was able to "channel" his own version of the twelve gods.


Hey Chris, that's really interesting info (regarding 12). That was my main inquiry here basically. I was curious if anyone else had heard of the 12 God theory. It's a new one to me. So I appreciate the info you provided.

I'll say something in RJ Spina's defense here: He did recover from a shattered spine (and several other very serious conditions), and his doctor did say he'd never walk again. Spina rejected a surgery that his doctor said was required to save his life (but would not restore his ability to walk). He rejected it and healed himself thru some very novel methods described in the book, and was able to walk again eventually. His book includes written statements from his doctor and several others who were involved in his care at the time, which all testify to the miracle. There's before and after pics, and also video online of some of his first steps after his accident (if I remember correctly).

None of this is evidence of his later claims of being some kind of "frequentially" traveling yogi type, or the 12 God theory, but it is evidence of something remarkable and way out of the ordinary.

[Gemma13]

On a different note... I invested in this because of an intuitive nudge. Ha, had to be a big one when I'm not the slightest bit interested in another god theory. 🥴

My takeaway was synchronicity. I'm gathering data for an essay atm and I needed a correlation from the alternative spiritual communities. First part of this vid gave it to me. Spina articulates well on frequency modulation, (Only 15mins in atm).

With brain function analysis, scientists are ever closer to intrinsically understanding a range of benefits from meditation/mindfulness and the prospects of self transcendence i.e. mastering thought and emotion, and attention and distraction, for optimal physical and spiritual well-being.

But it's not quite as simple as the marketeers claim when peddling their Mindfulness techniques and products. Nor should the blind be leading the blind as we see droves of "mindfulness practitioners-cum-teachers" infiltrating schools, gov't health organisations, etc.

Anyway, cheers for that buddy 👍

[AutumnW]

Interesting. Having 12 different gods would give us a different one every month, like the 'book of the month' club!:sun:

[Mike]

On a different note... I invested in this because of an intuitive nudge. Ha, had to be a big one when I'm not the slightest bit interested in another god theory. 🥴

My takeaway was synchronicity. I'm gathering data for an essay atm and I needed a correlation from the alternative spiritual communities. First part of this vid gave it to me. Spina articulates well on frequency modulation, (Only 15mins in atm).

With brain function analysis, scientists are ever closer to intrinsically understanding a range of benefits from meditation/mindfulness and the prospects of self transcendence i.e. mastering thought and emotion, and attention and distraction, for optimal physical and spiritual well-being.

But it's not quite as simple as the marketeers claim when peddling their Mindfulness techniques and products. Nor should the blind be leading the blind as we see droves of "mindfulness practitioners-cum-teachers" infiltrating schools, gov't health organisations, etc.

Anyway, cheers for that buddy 👍


Oh, very cool!

Will we be seeing this essay on Substack Gem?

[Mike]

There's only one God, ma'am, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that.

:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8ZhOMGvhcU[/url]


An underrated movie, and a great line:)

[Mike]

I noticed that some "spiritual minded" people can claim super controversial things in such a way that they come across "100% sure of themselves" (like an actor can do if they really are "in to it") ... as if they were actually present and witnessed the whole thing they claim ... but how many times it is all about them sharing a "story telling" of somebody else? ... or they assume to "know" things through "paranormal" means >>> when that is the case, you suppose to "believe" their word.

Now, the word "believe" already implies to me: "not for sure knowing" ... you either really know for sure or you don't ... the "believe business" always love to ride with others doing the same and feeling exited about it ... that can be very entertaining & fascinating!

You could "consider the possibility" but do not expect to get direct proof nor real evidence of what they claim ... and anyone who demands or asking for that, "spoiling" the spiritual intended party-line.

I, too, have shared that kind of talk, but then add my proper reservations & disclaimers by default >>> stating I can not prove what I claim or this is my feeling or "deeper insights" coming from my intuition that is not flawless. etc. etc.

Do more people noticed that more and more Christians are moving in that direction too ?? claiming things with a certain "authoritative" type of speaking/mannerism ... as if they can "never be wrong" having zero healthy self-doubt.

Imagine if anyone who talks on a big video stream platform are asked: "how are you so sure of what you claim?" ... with the emphasis on "how" ... You can ask this question in 2 intended ways:


Intention 01. You really want to find out how it is done to learn from it and do the same if it has any merit ...
Intention 02. You assume he or she can not know for sure and corner him or her with the: "how are you so sure of what you claim?" question, not expecting to get a real honest answer.

Then you have people who never ask the: "how are you so sure?" question, because that suppose to be "inappropriate" ... thinking you are most likely seen as a "party pooper (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/party%20pooper)", correct?

Have you also noticed that the interviewer NEVER ask the: "how are you so sure?" question ... because he knows it spoils "the fun" of the whole interview https://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/wink_animated.gif

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳


Yeah it's all totally unfalsifiable, and utterly useless if you're seeking something that is.

I lost patience with these types of testimonies long ago, but I'm also weirdly nostalgic for them. Nostalgic because my heart and mind were more open then, and I enjoyed the sense of mystery and intrigue these types of things used to inspire in me.

My theory is as follows: Spina really did do something quite remarkable thru the healing of his spine, but in an alt community where the stories grow ever more fantastically bloated by the day, what would pass as remarkable yesterday becomes sorta passe today...and is forgotten quite quickly.

So my sense is this: he got the attention of quite a few people with his healing story, but in order to keep the momentum going felt he needed to add to his resume with all the other esoteric stuff. So he did some research and cobbled together a bunch of religious and new age theology and began passing it off as sh!t he discovered while "frequentially" exploring the inner and outer cosmos.

That's my best guess.

[Mike]

I've watched many Next Level Soul podcasts, and the NDE'ers he has on are always excellent and fairly credible, in that they "died" and are simply recounting their experience. All the other guests however, like the channels and psychics are just kooks who I get the feeling have read one-too-many new age books. Also the host seems like a genuine guy, but the click-bait titles get a bit annoying after a while. "Guy died and THIS is what happened" ... "You will hear this ONE TRUTH and your life will be CHANGED FOREVER" It is patronizing to the viewer.


I feel the same. I think this is a good analysis of the show and the guests.

[Mike]

Mike, please lay off the loosh. Are there twelve gods? Who cares. I only watched the first two minutes +:20 of your OP vid, and it is not worth spending more time on.

Novelty interviews, especially ones that we are advised to consume with salt, don’t deserve their own thread. I suggest that stuff like this be instead posted on some thread that nobody takes seriously, like my thread Great storytelling, longform, random topics.

Cheers, and be well, Sir.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122172-Great-storytelling-longform-random-topics.


Alright, fair enough. In the future I'll pause before posting a thread and think, what would johnnycomelately do? And hopefully it will meet your standards.

You may be right about all of this. I dunno. But I still like to sprinkle these videos in now and again. It keeps the mind flexible. Trying to imagine 12 Gods kinda rearranges the shapes in my head a little, and it's a healthy exercise from time to time. If I begin posting these videos frequently, I'll attend Loosh Anonymous meetings or whatever other therapies you might suggest.

[Mike]

Mike, I haven't finished listening to the whole video yet, but I did find it very interesting and how it might bring together different constructs or layers of reality that might be there for different reasons. Some may be original (organic) others simulations for experience.


Sometimes many like to put everything into good or bad categories, only this or that, sometimes missing that we might all be right like the parable of the blind men feeling different parts of the elephant, noticing new parts but still working out what and how things might fit into the whole as we connect diferent dots of an expanding awareness of reality. I enjoy these kind of videos because they explore different perspectives and you can take what you want from them and save other parts to put on the back burner of your mind for later if they are needed. :stars:


Well said, Diane:heart:. I feel that way too.

[Mike]

Reading the description in the OP is enough for me already, honestly I cannot even bring myself to watch something like this in the first place.
:worried::stop:


I thought you were open minded, dude.

[Johnnycomelately]

Alright, fair enough. In the future I'll pause before posting a thread and think, what would johnnycomelately do? And hopefully it will meet your standards.

You may be right about all of this. I dunno. But I still like to sprinkle these videos in now and again. It keeps the mind flexible. Trying to imagine 12 Gods kinda rearranges the shapes in my head a little, and it's a healthy exercise from time to time. If I begin posting these videos frequently, I'll attend Loosh Anonymous meetings or whatever other therapies you might suggest.

Am honoured that you responded, Mike, to my comment.

Please be assured that I don’t want to scurve (word?) your ebb and flow.

Reasons will reason, but they sometimes draw scrutiny, and there IS a happy place where some of them are slagged. Nothing personal.

[Gemma13]

On a different note... I invested in this because of an intuitive nudge. Ha, had to be a big one when I'm not the slightest bit interested in another god theory. 🥴

My takeaway was synchronicity. I'm gathering data for an essay atm and I needed a correlation from the alternative spiritual communities. First part of this vid gave it to me. Spina articulates well on frequency modulation, (Only 15mins in atm).

With brain function analysis, scientists are ever closer to intrinsically understanding a range of benefits from meditation/mindfulness and the prospects of self transcendence i.e. mastering thought and emotion, and attention and distraction, for optimal physical and spiritual well-being.

But it's not quite as simple as the marketeers claim when peddling their Mindfulness techniques and products. Nor should the blind be leading the blind as we see droves of "mindfulness practitioners-cum-teachers" infiltrating schools, gov't health organisations, etc.

Anyway, cheers for that buddy 👍


Oh, very cool!

Will we be seeing this essay on Substack Gem?

Hoping so... just need life to get outta the way so I can have a bit more me time. It'll happen 🙂

[Mike]

Alright, fair enough. In the future I'll pause before posting a thread and think, what would johnnycomelately do? And hopefully it will meet your standards.

You may be right about all of this. I dunno. But I still like to sprinkle these videos in now and again. It keeps the mind flexible. Trying to imagine 12 Gods kinda rearranges the shapes in my head a little, and it's a healthy exercise from time to time. If I begin posting these videos frequently, I'll attend Loosh Anonymous meetings or whatever other therapies you might suggest.

Am honoured that you responded, Mike, to my comment.

Please be assured that I don’t want to scurve (word?) your ebb and flow.

Reasons will reason, but they sometimes draw scrutiny, and there IS a happy place where some of them are slagged. Nothing personal.


Of course! Slag away! But I may slag back:). It's all in bounds in the happy place.

I'd be deeply disappointed if there was no scrutiny on a thread like this.

These are the types of videos we'd see in the early days of Avalon, and some part of me enjoys reanimating this persona that I outgrew long ago. Perhaps that's a weakness on my part, but I think I do it so as to not get too lost in the cynicism of politics and so forth.

I like to flirt with this sh!t now and again. What can I say?

[jaybee]

Interesting. Having 12 different gods would give us a different one every month, like the 'book of the month' club!:sun:

Funny you should say that.... :)

general comment......>>>

Because I wonder if the basis of the 12 Gods thing is connected to the notion of the Sacred Secretion - where once a month, when the moon is in the same sign as one's sun sign ...a 'seeding' is triggered ~ a process begins in the brain whereby certain 'chemicals' (for want of a better word)....secretions... are released into the (our) cerebrospinal fluid and could be said to take us closer to our Higher Self... to Christ Consciousness.... to God...

so maybe we DO have a different one every month.... via different levels of kundalini experience ... :whistle:

Just going to use the description of this book (fairly randomly chosen) The Science of the Sacred Secretion (Christ Oil): (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Science-Sacred-Secretion-Christ-Oil-ebook/dp/B09RNHBYFV) ...to say a bit more about it -


The Sacred Secretion, also called 'Chrism', 'Christ Oil', 'Endogenous DMT' and 'The Honey And Milk', is the title given to a natural, spiritual mechanism of rejuvenation within the human body. During the monthly cycle, when lunar energy empowers the starsign energy that clothed you at birth, the brain releases a brew of chemicals. The psychedelic concoction descends down the spine's 33 vertebrate before ascending back up again to the place where God can be met face to face (the mind - Pineal). The secretion's increases its vibrational potency throughout the process, changing in and out of form. Finally, after being preserved in a blissed body, the secretion is released, enhancing the senses of the individual and raising their conscious awareness.


Of course, going on about 'Sacred Secretions' could get you into all sorts of difficulties in your day to day life haha...

I've only recently heard about it .... apparently it's all been a bit hush hush over the aeons but with the Internet it's all coming out now....