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mojo
11th September 2024, 23:55
Many analyst are expecting Silver to hit $50 per ounce before the end of the year. I recently added to the silver stack on hearing this news. Also Samsung came out with their new battery that utilizes silver and is much better than the LiFePO4 battery. Do you silver stack and what are your personal thoughts on the silver market?
ExomatrixTV
12th September 2024, 00:13
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Satori
12th September 2024, 00:16
Thanks for the thread and post.
Silver is being artificially suppressed. Buy now.
If you can afford gold, go for it. But its price is inflated now, after being artificially suppressed. Both of these elements can be and are manipulated. As is nearly everything else of significance.
Historically silver has been the medium of exchange for everyday purchases. In the USA silver, in its one-once coined 99% pure state, is the Constitutional dollar.
Gold is a store of value for larger transactions, including between central banks and other institutions, both public and private.
The foregoing points are facts, not so much personal thoughts. Volumes have been written on the subject of silver and gold.
Edit:
I should add that fiat currency is the core cause of and reason for the debasement of, and the ability to manipulate, gold and silver.
Fiat benefits only the money changers. It privatizes profits and socializes losses. Thus giving the man behind the curtain the power and control. Among other things.
DNA
12th September 2024, 00:32
I'm not saying silver is a bad idea.
But I think gold is a safer bet.
In times gone by when economic turmoil has struck, silver typically loses value while gold sharply increases in value.
Simply put, silver is not a commodity used to back legal tender any more.
Just my 2 coppers. :)
Ioneo
12th September 2024, 22:44
Silver is the most undervalued compared to gold. Here is an article from Mining.com from 2010 that explains it well:
Silver is now rarer than gold and will be for all of eternity. From this point forth we work from current silver production alone and, from this point forth, demand will outstrip production without exception. [Can you imagine what that means for the future price of this, indeed, precious metal? Forget about the popular expression: ‘Got gold?’ The much more important – and potentially profitable – question to ask these days is, ‘Got silver?’]
Metal in Crises!
The crises deepen. What crises you ask? Well, starting about sixty years ago, we began to accelerate our usage of silver for industrial purposes [and] as the great industrial complex known as America grew, so did it’s appetite for silver and other industrial metals. In fact, it grew at such a pace that we devoured the above ground stockpile of silver at such a rate that it is now gone. That’s right, what took the entire world over five thousand years to acquire, was used up in just six decades, and the above ground stockpile has been completely eliminated.
Increased Demand
Silver differs from gold in several important ways. Most notably is that unlike gold, silver gets used up and is then gone forever. Almost all of the gold ever mined in mankind’s history is still here. We don’t really use gold for anything other than money or as a store of wealth and for decoration like jewelry. Silver gets used in all kinds of industries. It’s natural antibiotic properties make it a wonderful instrument in the medical field. It is used in military applications; it’s used in all kinds of electrical switches, relays, and batteries. It’s used in water purification systems and paints, and as a primary component in the photographic industry. Silver doesn’t corrode and has excellent thermal conductive properties. Silver, like gold, has also been used, [and continues to be used] as a monetary instrument for centuries. Moreover, as India and China continue their unparalleled advance into joining the ranks of the industrialized world, the situation will be further exacerbated.
As if the dramatic increase in industrial demand were not enough of a problem, the plot thickens! Silver is now being rediscovered as an investment vehicle. Perhaps most recently, and for sure most notably, is Barclay’s new silver Exchange Traded Fund. Barclay’s ETF [and others as they have been introduced] has recently pulled an incredible amount of silver off of the market.
Constraints in Supply
Why can’t we just mine more silver? The reason we cannot “fix” the problem by mining more silver is the cost. Today for example, to mine gold, it takes $350 [to $450] to mine, refine, and bring to market one ounce of the yellow metal. With gold trading around [$1200] an ounce, that is a profitable endeavor. Silver however, is mined [primarily] as a by-product. In order to mine one ounce of silver as a primary metal, the cost associated with it is similar to the cost of mining one ounce of gold and with silver trading around [$17 – $18] an ounce and would not even be close to profitable when the mining costs are factored in. Currently we mine around six hundred million ounces of silver each year while industry consumes about eight hundred and seventy million ounces. Can you see a disparity developing? The market is tightening.
Historical Silver:Gold Ratio Favors Silver
Historically, the silver to gold ratio has been fifteen to one. It would typically take fifteen ounces of silver to buy one ounce of gold. Today, with silver trading at approximately [$17 – $18] an ounce and gold at around [$1175 – $1225] an ounce, it takes [65 – 70] ounces of silver to buy one ounce of gold. This suggests an obvious opportunity as once this ratio [reverts to the mean] we can expect silver to approach a price of [$80] an ounce [based on the historical 15:1 ratio]. Although this analyst tends to remain conservative in his predictions, it’s not at all unrealistic to expect such profits when you consider the cost we now must face in order to mine silver as a primary metal.
The Case for Owning Silver Coins
Remember, never again will gold be rarer than silver. Opportunities like these come once in a lifetime. I’d suggest you begin to acquire as much silver as your current situation will allow, and to my own clients, I recommend a position in circulated silver dollars that are held by you in your physical possession. Circulated silver dollars trade without any dealer reporting requirements, so they can be bought and sold privately. They are easily recognizable by just about every American, and they offer a good amount of silver in an affordable, liquid, and portable form.
Industry will continue to use and need silver in ever increasing amounts and with this current economic situation and the printing of money out of thin air, silver only has one way to go and that is up.
Today silver is around $30 and gold at $2,500 with a ratio of 85.
Denise/Dizi
16th September 2024, 02:20
Back in the early gold rush in California, the exchange rate value per ounce of silver as compared to gold was 16 or 17 to one. (in the 1800's).. That is totally varied now, and doesn't remain constant.. but it does seem it is EXTREMELY low at the moment in comparison to the massive jump to hit the gold market recently. But in reality? silver has gone up a whopping 59% in the last two years where gold has merely gone up an additional 55% .
It seems silver is slow to rise because it is no longer fetching the 1/16 value it once did, and the denominations discussed, seem smaller and more affordable, but really, if you don't mind the bulk of it, the same investment would gain you more profits if you had invested in silver 2 years ago. So is this where it lands? I doubt it, as we move into more debt, and the materials become more in demand for technologies...
But this planet has far more gold than they want us to know about... Much like they want us to believe diamonds are rare, anyone wandering into a pawn shop could tell you they are swimming in old diamonds they can't sell... Even at a discount.
Gold Price on 15 September 2024
Gold Price 2,589.75
Silver Price 31.01
Compare that to the prices just two years ago and you can see just how quickly the gold AND silver prices have skyrocketed..
Gold Price on 22 September 2022
Gold Price 1666.53
Silver Price 19.46
This jump in value in just two years represents a 55% increase over the gold price of just two years ago...
And the silver, while a lower number, jumped a staggering 59% in just two years. So the silver market, in the last two years, HAS gone up, by percentage MORE than gold has in the past 2 years. So it is a misconception to suggest that gold rose sharply and now silver should, it did right alongside the gold.. and actually exceeded it in performance.
Are you asking merely for investment purposes? Because the choices that you make should be dependant on the reasons for which you are making them...
AutumnW
16th September 2024, 02:39
'Junk' silver as a means of exchange, when the shtf, is a good idea. The problem with gold is, it's tough to carry around a few grains to pay for a loaf of bread.
AutumnW
16th September 2024, 02:41
The best way to invest in gold is through dominant gold mining companies, like Barrick and Agnico Eagle. Stay away from juniors as they fit the description of ,"a hole in the ground with a liar on top."
Denise/Dizi
16th September 2024, 05:34
Actually if SHTF, bread is probably going to be worth its weight in gold sadly. But I hope I am wrong..
Ideally, buying gold directly from the individual miners is the best way to go. At least in our case...
You're absolutely right Autumn...
I know the owners/presidents of several large very famous mines in our area personally, as a result of my family ties to the industry... and the family deals with them on occasion... we usually buy gold below "spot" as a result, as we know it isn't "pure" in either form... but rather contaminated with possibly quartz and other minerals.
But there are some very shady mine owners/operators... especially as mines change hands.. Building a long term relationship with them is imperative, and knowing he industry before dealing with such individuals is a must.
We get the best deal buying scrap material, but then you take a huge hit when refining it, and have to sit on it for quite some time before you send it in... As the more gold you refine, really the less the fee for the process, as it encompasses more material... It's more practical... But there is that loss of cash flow, while you wait. The investment becomes the actual sitting on the scrap, prior to refining. So it isn't a quick turn around on your investment, unless you buy in bulk, and refine often. But on the other hand, the longer you hold onto it, the higher the payback, as gold continues to rise.
(edited to remove personal information) I have been exposed to the industry for over 37 years, and will be intimately involved in the industry for the rest of my life at this point... So I know a bit about it, I live it daily.
pyrangello
16th September 2024, 06:13
For a safe haven against the dollar crashing buy silver coins. So as the dollar continues to devalue silver will be going up. The historic ratio price of silver usually hangs at 7 to 1 of whatever the gold price is . It's been way undervalued for a long time. So it's time is coming. On the short term and more important than that food and water take precedence over precious metals I'm hearing have enough for 1 week to 30 days until the reset is over with. Everyone still has time but I'm thinking this crash Wil be happening end of next month when the brics go live and nobody wants the u.s. treasury bonds anymore. That will be the day of recogning as we won't be able to finance this crazy debt anymore here in the u.s.
Denise/Dizi
16th September 2024, 15:22
For a safe haven against the dollar crashing buy silver coins. So as the dollar continues to devalue silver will be going up. The historic ratio price of silver usually hangs at 7 to 1 of whatever the gold price is . It's been way undervalued for a long time. So it's time is coming. On the short term and more important than that food and water take precedence over precious metals I'm hearing have enough for 1 week to 30 days until the reset is over with. Everyone still has time but I'm thinking this crash Wil be happening end of next month when the brics go live and nobody wants the u.s. treasury bonds anymore. That will be the day of recogning as we won't be able to finance this crazy debt anymore here in the u.s.
Silver coins are the easiest to get ahold of, the most financially available in smaller quantities, and readily available.. So long as you don't buy the coins for their "unique characteristics and grading", but rather for the weight of the coins... And they are rising faster than gold at the moment...
DNA
16th September 2024, 16:42
Five years ago palladium was $3000 an ounce.
I mentioned this to a coin shop owner who was astonished and hadn't been keeping up with the prices.
He was very happy to say that he owned three ounces of it.
I suggested that he sell or trade them in for gold being as that palladium price was tied to the automotive industry using it as a cheaper alternative to platinum in catalytic converters.
Had he done so he would be sitting on 6 Oz of gold right now instead of barely being able to trade all three of those palladium ounces for 1 ounce of gold right now.
Silver is highly prized for its ability to conduct heat better than any other element.
As such it is used extensively in solar panels.
Solar panel creation is at an all time high right now with carbon emission laws becoming so draconian.
YES!
Silver is also tied to the demand of copper.
Silver is often found and refined in copper mines and is a lucrative by-product of that industry.
When **** hits the fan industry demands are no longer going to be a thing.
I personally just do not trust silver as a storage of wealth.
pyrangello
16th September 2024, 19:55
I have no affiliation to Miles Franklin but you can call and get an amount locked in , send them a personal check then the parcel gets shipped to you in an unmarked box. Its pretty easy to do. Check them out https://milesfranklin.com/ They have some very informative reading as well on each metal on their site and you talk to an actual person who can answer any questions at all.
Remember Precious metals are there as an insurance policy , so when the dollar goes down this goes up . Its peace of mind.
mojo
17th September 2024, 14:42
My last two orders of Silver from EBAY by two separate sellers turned out to be completely fake. So please make sure you buy through trusted vendors.
Denise/Dizi
17th September 2024, 15:00
This is for Mojo...
Fake in what regard? I see that you posted the image... What was it that you believed that you were buying?
I ask because we had a gentlemen come into our shop recently and claimed that we were selling "Fake silver dollars"...
There is a difference between a "Silver Dollar" and an "American Eagle" coin, which is what you have in that image.... We sell uncirculated American Eagle coins, and he didn't bother to read the sign and ask what the difference was, deciding instead to suggest we were selling "Fake silver dollars"...
The American Eagle was introduced as a silver bullion coin in 1985. They're not fake, the silver content is real... And I would have happily told him that, had he not stormed out in haste... The difference is it is not considered "Currency" unless your intent is to trade for silver value...
I have yet to hold one up to a Morgan Silver Dollar to see if their size is the same, but they are an ounce of .9999 silver. They are a US backed silver bullion option for those who prefer to hold a commodity versus paper. They are collectable, and dated... They're becoming quite popular as many do not want to have to pay more for an ounce of silver, merely because of a misprint, or some other feature... an ounce of silver is an ounce of silver...
Unless that is a replication, and plated? You did get an ounce of silver... and it should be tradable as such.
What you were probably looking for was a Morgan Silver Dollar... When you buy again, (If you do), look instead for the Morgan Silver Dollar, and you should get what you were originally seeking...
RunningDeer
17th September 2024, 16:55
My last two orders of Silver from EBAY by two separate sellers turned out to be completely fake. So please make sure you buy through trusted vendors.
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meat suit
17th September 2024, 18:25
When I bought some silver 3 years ago, I chose new 9999 purity canadian maple leafs.
These were more expensive per ounce than most other ounce coins and certainly more expensive than kilo bars etc.
But I went that way because they are widely known and recognized, so I thought best for 'grid down' trading.
Its gone up in value quite a bit, I think I bought at £16.50 spot price.
Also useful to make colloidal silver, though not as useful as long flat bar.
But a hammer will take care of that easily🤙
Vicus
17th September 2024, 18:45
For some Amerikans...if you live near Mexico frontier... :sherlock:
The Libertad gilt as the oldest Silver Bullion in the world...
I buy some 14 years ago at 16,76 euros, today is 33,35 euros 1oz
But remember this : when SHIFT happens you don't want to pay for everything with 1oz coin ,then you are empty very soon!
For 1egg/ bread/apple,etc... for those things you need all the variants: 1/2 oz,1/4 oz,1/10 oz,1/20 oz and only this way silver is better than gold...and more easy and cheap to purchase!
Gold is better for BIG things, a passport, automatic weapons,transport/tickets to safe heavens ( IF there is such thing...)
For people living near Canada you got the Maple Leaf coin
In Europa the most common is the Wiener Philharmoniker coin from Austria .
Bon voyage :waving:
An other thing: if you got some malady,need operation,dentists .etc DO IT NOW!
you may don't get another chance...
mojo
17th September 2024, 19:20
This is for Mojo...
Fake in what regard? I see that you posted the image... What was it that you believed that you were buying?
I ask because we had a gentlemen come into our shop recently and claimed that we were selling "Fake silver dollars"...
There is a difference between a "Silver Dollar" and an "American Eagle" coin, which is what you have in that image.... We sell uncirculated American Eagle coins, and he didn't bother to read the sign and ask what the difference was, deciding instead to suggest we were selling "Fake silver dollars"...
The American Eagle was introduced as a silver bullion coin in 1985. They're not fake, the silver content is real... And I would have happily told him that, had he not stormed out in haste... The difference is it is not considered "Currency" unless your intent is to trade for silver value...
I have yet to hold one up to a Morgan Silver Dollar to see if their size is the same, but they are an ounce of .9999 silver. They are a US backed silver bullion option for those who prefer to hold a commodity versus paper. They are collectable, and dated... They're becoming quite popular as many do not want to have to pay more for an ounce of silver, merely because of a misprint, or some other feature... an ounce of silver is an ounce of silver...
Unless that is a replication, and plated? You did get an ounce of silver... and it should be tradable as such.
What you were probably looking for was a Morgan Silver Dollar... When you buy again, (If you do), look instead for the Morgan Silver Dollar, and you should get what you were originally seeking...
Hi Denise,
Fake in regard to not being real silver. The coin dealer took one look at both samples from the different sellers and immediately knew they were fake. There was a sprayed on coating but no silver in any part. He then used this very fancy machine to verify.
Denise/Dizi
18th September 2024, 03:35
Hi Denise,
Fake in regards to not being real silver. The coin dealer took one look at both samples from the different sellers and immediately knew they were fake. There was a sprayed on coating but no silver in any part. He then used this very fancy machine to verify.
WOW.. I am so sorry that happened to you... There are so many dishonest people in this world... I am shocked at how many partake in such behavior. They're everywhere, and it is getting worse.
I sent you a PM mojo...
palehorse
18th September 2024, 05:10
I just read the whole thread, interesting opinions here, I like it.
I bought some silver (bar and pellets) years ago, I may have around 1kg of pure silver, about 20grams of pure gold and maybe 50kg of pure copper (not counting the junk copper I also have). That is what I have in terms of metals. Thanks @DNA for mentioning it above.
The copper thing, in 2022 I was building a distiller, and I needed a long copper coil, part of the distiller setup. I was astonished with the price of copper, basically riding along with silver, but in 2022 copper worth more than silver, I paid premium price for the copper (I don't mind), right now it seems to be picking up again along with silver. I got copper wires (best for storage) and copper coil (beside the metal price, it is can be very useful for many setups) - copper is easier to resell unlikely silver or gold, any shop that fix fridges/aircon/electrical services would buy from you, copper has many applications on daily life, so if I have to choose silver/gold/copper, I go with copper. For me the only downside, it is bulk you need a storage to keep it, my little storage looks like a pile of junky, so no one will steal a damn thing from there, I also put a warning in the door, beware mega spiders inside lol
Do you know thieves steal copper wires from houses? That happened to me when I had a property for rent in my home country, they stolen all the electrical wires from the house, since the house was empty and no one was living there for months. I knew about that when I found a tenant to rent it and he told me there was no electricity in the house, so after a little investigation, we realized there was no wires at all in the house, so you know copper has its value.
Gold is good, but as someone mentioned above, you can't buy a loaf of bread with it, generically speaking, you can't do small purchases with gold, only large purchases.
I live in Thailand, silver here is not welcome, gold is the thing, Thai people love gold, but they won't buy any gold from people, they only buy from institutions that provide a certificate, so this for me is another huge issue, because there is no trust in the peer to peer scheme of things (I know too many scammers nowadays), be it between friends or strangers, it is all the same here, certificate from a reputable company or no deal. So I think in terms of adapting to local reality and not trying to make things up, if there is no acceptance outside this little scheme/setup/conglomerate of gold institutions here, then I won't play their game, because if SHTF scenario happen, all these institutions would go off and then what? The paradigm changing all of sudden the people would start trading/exchanging their gold for goods/services without their certificate? Sounds pretty much like hypocrisy to me, so I refuse to play, and that is how I adapt to their game.
This is hard for me to understand and I don't want to depend on things that is hard to deal with or better saying creates dependency (like be part of a chain, one fail all fail). So in a bad scenario: land, food production, water, energy production, remedies/meds, clothing, animal feed, compost, livestock, fishery, and so on... these things make a way more sense if we can manage to keep it running. We don't need precious metals if we think and act like that. The metals would be good to pay for things like property taxes, because it will rise in the coming years.
Dennis Leahy
23rd October 2024, 19:28
(I'll drop this here just in case someone may find it useful.)
Precious metals have both a buying and a selling premium. For example, if silver's "spot" price is $35/ounce, that means you will pay a few dollars on top of the spot price to buy a coin/round/bar, and on the day when you want to sell your silver ounce, a coin shop or bullion broker will buy the silver from you at spot price MINUS a few dollars.
Right now, I see silver rounds selling for (https://findbullionprices.com/p/Random-1-oz-Generic-Silver-Rounds/) about $1.25 over the spot price (a great deal.) Other bigger dealers may charge 3 or 4 dollars over spot! Do shop around! There is also a 4% or so fee for using a credit or debit card, so the best prices you see will always be only if you do a bank wire transfer or eCheck.
It's my opinion that we should pay for a commodity at the lowest price possible. .999 silver is .999 silver, regardless which company minted or manufactured the pieces. I don't personally believe that a Canadian Maple Leaf or a American Eagle or a South African Krugerand will trade more easily in a scorched-Earth, post-apocalyptic scenario than a "round."
"Rounds" look like coins, but are privately minted coin-shaped pieces of metal. The lowest prices on silver are going to be rounds or bars, which will cost about the same. My opinion is that the rounds will be easier to trade than bars. Coins and "junk silver" (40 to 90% silver) coins carry a higher premium than rounds, so I'm not bothering with them. Also, do not get sucked-in to paying high prices because of a picture stamped on the round, nor "proof" status, nor coloration or gold-plating. No one will care what you paid for your silver - it simply doesn't matter. All that will matter if you need to spend it is the current spot price of silver.
A few years ago (5?) silver was at $16/ounce, and I alerted friends and family to buy some, saying I was sure it would never drop below $16 again. I was in no position to buy any, and so I didn't. Damn! I wish I had a time machine! But virtually every independent financial guru is now saying silver will never drop below $30/ounce. At this moment as I type this, silver is about $33.60/oz spot price, so you'd end up paying at least $36 to $37 per 1 ounce round, delivered.
Sue (Ayt)
4th October 2025, 21:33
Many analyst are expecting Silver to hit $50 per ounce before the end of the year. I recently added to the silver stack on hearing this news. Also Samsung came out with their new battery that utilizes silver and is much better than the LiFePO4 battery. Do you silver stack and what are your personal thoughts on the silver market?
Just looked out of curiosity, and found this:
bid - 47.92
ask - 48.04
So Mojo was pretty much on target, just a bit delayed.
What does it mean?
Bill Ryan
4th October 2025, 21:40
Many analyst are expecting Silver to hit $50 per ounce before the end of the year. I recently added to the silver stack on hearing this news. Also Samsung came out with their new battery that utilizes silver and is much better than the LiFePO4 battery. Do you silver stack and what are your personal thoughts on the silver market?
Just looked out of curiosity, and found this:
bid - 47.92
ask - 48.04
So Mojo was pretty much on target, just a bit delayed.
What does it mean?Gold is now at $3900. I'm no market analyst, but I'm guessing that gold and silver both soaring means either that (a) the dollar is going to crash fairly soon, and/or (b) there'll be a major crisis in the bond market. I'd also guess that silver (and gold also, of course) will continue to go higher and higher, and then higher still.
ThePythonicCow
4th October 2025, 23:27
... but I'm guessing that gold and silver both soaring means either that (a) the dollar is going to crash fairly soon, and/or (b) there'll be a major crisis in the bond market. I'd also guess that silver (and gold also, of course) will continue to go higher and higher, and then higher still.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild, founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty supposedly said: "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws."
With the founding of the Federal Reserve (in good part by powerful and wealthy agents in the banking empire that funded the British Empire in the prior couple of centuries) in 1913, the extension of "civil servant" control over major "independent agencies" of the US federal government by FDR in the 1930's, and the replacement of the fading British Pound with the US Dollar as the "foundation currency" of the world at Bretton Woods in July of 1944, the Rothschild and associate power centered in the City of London moved operations controlling the world's currency from London to New York and Washington DC.
All monetary systems that are fundamentally based, not on split wooden tally sticks or coins of gold and silver or sea shells or such, but rather based on granting to bankers the right to "lend money into existence", creating money in exchange for a loan document committing to repay that loan with interest, within a (political, legal, military, ...) framework that reliably honors and enforces such loan documents ... all such systems are unstable. They essentially presume and provide an expanding monetary supply, and they essentially yield increasing wealth and power to the bankers ... which essentially weakens the power, wealth, productivity, and culture of workers, industry, families, and communities.
Debt-based money is the opiate of trade and industry. Just as opium (another fine British product in the 1800's - ask China, and now another fine product of American [via, e.g., the CIA] and Chinese [via, e.g., Venezuela and Mexico] and other agents of those same bankers ) feels good ... until it impoverishes and kills you ... so does debt-money fund apparent great growth in trade and industry ... until it impoverishes and kills it.
Great collapses of such debt-money funded empires are marked by great wars. Europe is doing its darnedest to continue that tradition now (just ask Russia).
Great debt-money collapses are also marked by a return to basing money on gold and silver.
Hence, from the above two correlations, great wars are correlated with a rise in the (nominal) value, in debt-money units, of gold and silver, or what might more accurately be described as a major decline in the nominal value of debt-money, of loans promising to repay debt-money (e.g. of corporate and national debt), and of assets priced more for their use as collateral for debt-money loans (e.g. much real estate and many college degrees, these days) than for their practical value outside the monetary system.
We are undergoing a debt-money collapse or restructuring (not clear which yet ... powerful forces push each alternative).
Move your wealth into that which does not depend on debt-money, debt-loans, or debt-collateral for its "nominal" value.
Digital money can (1) provide a more extensive, invasive and pervasive means of control to enable our "bankster overlords" to continue this debt-money game for another major round, or (2) it can provide a monetary means for trade and industry that is outside the reach of debt-money control (again ... not clear which yet ... powerful forces push both alternatives).
The Web, and now AI, present similar potentials, perhaps for greater communication and knowledge work by humans, or perhaps for greater control by our overlords (yet again, not clear which yet.)
Move your monetary wealth away from this great debt-money landslide. Also, if one has some spare resources or energy, lend a shoulder to the efforts leading humanity to greater freedom and prosperity, and greater family, community, physical, mental and spiritual integrity, rather than yet another reign of our dark overlords who rule by mass mind and money manipulation.
TrumanCash
10th October 2025, 22:07
U.S. Farmers Are Facing The Worst Economic Downturn In At Least 50 Years -- Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse
The agriculture industry in the United States is deeply broken. Farmers are the foundation of it all, but they are being financially squeezed from every direction. They are being squeezed by the giant monopolies that control the seeds, fertilizer and machinery that they need. And they are also being squeezed by the giant monopolies that purchase most of what they produce. Meanwhile, demand from overseas has dried up thanks to the global trade war. U.S. farmers really are facing a “perfect storm”, and as a result most farms are losing money and bankruptcies are surging.
Most Americans have absolutely no idea how bad it has gotten.
According to the president of the Nebraska Farmers Union, this is the worst economic downturn for farmers in at least 50 years…
“We’re in the middle of the worst economic downturn that I’ve seen in my 50 years,” John Hansen, the president of the Nebraska Farmers Union, said at a regional meeting in Beatrice, Nebraska, last week.
“Agriculture is our foundation here in Nebraska and many states in the Midwest,” Don Schuller, a corn and soybean farmer, told ABC News. “If agriculture is failing here everything is going to fail.”
I wish that I could tell you that he is exaggerating.
But I can’t.
A sobering article that was recently published by AGWEB that was just shared with me is warning that our farmers are facing a “generational collapse”…
Farmers are not crying wolf. The wolf is real and right outside the door in the form of generational collapse.
The inescapable crop math of sustained crippling commodity prices and high input costs has many growers screaming for immediate relief, potentially via aid payments in late 2025 or early 2026. However, bailouts are Band-Aids over bullet holes.
The giant monopolies that provide the things that our farmers need increase their profits by squeezing farmers, and the giant monopolies that purchase what our farmers produce increase their profits by squeezing farmers.
For a while, many farms could still at least break even, but now conditions have gotten so bad that many farmers are losing hundreds of dollars per acre…
Yes, says Bailey Buffalo, 40, owner of Buffalo Grain Systems in Jonesboro, and president of Farm Protection Alliance.
“Horror stories. The pain is unreal. Worst farming situation I’ve seen in my life,” Buffalo says. “Look at Extension [University of Arkansas] numbers — corn growers losing $240 per acre; soybeans losing $144 per acre; and rice losing $380 per acre. The cotton growers may be worst of all.”
This is what I mean when I say that the agriculture industry is broken.
So what is going to happen as vast numbers of our farmers simply go bankrupt?
According to the chairman of the Arkansas Rice Growers Association, banks are projecting “farm bankruptcies at 25% to 40%”…
Graves, chairman of the Arkansas Rice Growers Association, understands severe hardship. He farmed through the anemic ag crisis of the 1980s. However, the current unrest is a “coming disaster” unlike anything he’s witnessed across a 50-year career: “I’ve never seen this kinda look in farmers’ eyes. It’s fear. And it’s based in undeniable facts.”
In August 2025, Graves sent an open letter to media and politicians, pleading for attention to eye-popping numbers. “My letter told what things are like right now. In our geography, it looks like you need to yield 100-300-300 to stay ahead,” Graves describes. “That’s 100-bushel beans, 300-bushel rice and 300-bushel corn. Basic Arkansas averages are 56-bushel beans, 166-bushel rice and 175-bushel corn. In a nutshell, we are going over a cliff. Banks are forecasting farm bankruptcies at 25% to 40%, and the dirty secret is out. Everyone knows it; everyone feels it.”
A handful of companies control the seed market, a handful of companies control the fertilizer market, and a handful of companies control the farm machinery market.
Those giant monopolies are raking in huge amounts of cash while our small farmers are being ruthlessly crushed.
And when it comes time to sell what they produce, our farmers are at the mercy of the giant food monopolies.
On top of everything else, export demand has evaporated as a result of the global trade war. Things are particularly bad for soybean farmers…
For American farmers who export their harvests directly to Asia, the evaporation of Chinese demand for soybeans — at a time when fertilizer and other inputs have become more expensive — could potentially be devastating, and lead to bankruptcies and foreclosures.
“It’s just a massive shock to our markets,” Cory Walters, a professor in the Department of Agricultural Economics at the University of Nebraska, told ABC News.
We have seen agriculture shocks before, but never anything quite like this.
The White House is acknowledging that our farmers are facing a major crisis, and there are plans to introduce an aid package…
“Soybean, corn, wheat, sorghum, cotton farmers are facing very difficult times,” Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins told reporters at the White House on Wednesday. “We are currently in conversations here at the White House, across the government, on a farmer aid package.”
Will that fix anything?
Not really.
The structural issues will still exist, but perhaps if the aid checks are big enough they will help some farmers avoid bankruptcy for another year.
What we really need is to do something about the monopolies so that our farmers can have a chance to scrape out a living.
But that isn’t going to happen, because the monopolies have lots of lobbyists and they contribute vast amounts of money to political campaigns.
Of course it isn’t just the agriculture industry that is facing a crisis.
All over the country, we are witnessing signs of a major economic slowdown. For example, this year Hollywood “has seen tourism numbers fall off a cliff”…
Los Angeles’s iconic Hollywood district has seen tourism numbers fall off a cliff, sparking fears for the future of the beleaguered City of Angels.
Visit California revealed tourist numbers slumped by 10 percent this summer, compared to the same period of 2024.
And businesses on Hollywood boulevard said customer numbers had plunged by up to 50 percent, raising the prospect of the neighborhood that is a byword for movies and showbusiness entering into a terminal decline.
A dramatic economic shift is taking place right now.
I expect this to be clearly reflected in the economic numbers in the coming months.
But this is just the beginning. The pain that we are experiencing now will get a whole lot worse.
At the beginning of this article, I stated that the agriculture industry is deeply broken.
Nobody can deny that.
But the truth is that our entire society is deeply broken, and now a time of reckoning has arrived.
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