Supplements and Breastfeeding

[Bill Ryan]

I have a very dear friend (aged 40) who had the covid shot. Despite being very healthy in her life prior, since the shot she's come down with pneumonia several times and currently has flu quite badly.

She's a mother who is breastfeeding. When I heard of her situation (immune system weakened and compromised, for sure) and suggested some immune-boosting and flu-curing remedies, she said she doesn't take any supplements because of the potential risk to her baby via her milk.

I do know this is a real thing to be careful about, but I don't know the details, how much of a risk it is, and what supplements are a bad idea while others may well be safe.

Does anyone have any personal experience and/or good advice about this?

:flower:

[edina]

Here's something to consider, most doctors have women on supplements during their pregnancy, especially with extra folic acid. And recommend mothers continue to take the prenatal vitamins when breastfeeding to support lactation and the mother's health. That alone could be helpful. There's also plenty of natural teas recommended for breastfeeding mothers that have ingredients that would help improve immunity.

Breastfeeding can take a toll on a woman's body, depleting it of vital nutrients as it redirects everything into the milk, and milk production. It needs a similar amount of support in breastfeeding as it did during pregnancy.

What were some of the supplements you wanted to suggest to her.

[Bill Ryan]

Many thanks! That seems to make a lot of sense.
What were some of the supplements you wanted to suggest to her?Vitamin D, Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin C, Oregano Oil were at the top of my list. (Quercetin too ideally, but it does appear (https://www.consumerlab.com/answers/which-supplements-should-be-avoided-when-breastfeeding/breastfeeding-supplements/) that Quercetin may be a no-no while breastfeeding.)

[edina]

Many thanks! That seems to make a lot of sense.
What were some of the supplements you wanted to suggest to her?Vitamin D, Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin C, Oregano Oil were at the top of my list. (Quercetin too ideally, but it does appear (https://www.consumerlab.com/answers/which-supplements-should-be-avoided-when-breastfeeding/breastfeeding-supplements/) that Quercetin may be a no-no while breastfeeding.)

Vitamin D, Zinc, Selenium and Vitamin C are all in prenatal, and pro-laction supplements for women.

I wasn't sure about oregano oil, here's a study, it seems okay, but it's not studied much.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK501844/


Ginger tea is often recommended for breastfeeding mothers and also would help boost her immune system.

Another is milk-thistle, and chamomile. They are usually recommended to help in lactation but also have other properties that help with immunity, and are considered very safe for pregnant women.

If she's not taking a pre-natal or similar sort of supplement, would highly recommend that, and 10 to 20 minutes of sunlight in the morning.

One more, iodine. Just a small dab about the size of a quarter, on her skin somewhere, maybe the bottom of her foot?

[Bill Ryan]

Vitamin D, Zinc, Selenium and Vitamin C are all in prenatal, and pro-laction supplements for women.
Thanks again — do you have any idea of 'safe' prenatal levels for these?

[edina]

Here's a link to a very high quality post natal vitamin that sources it's ingredients that may help.

https://ritual.com/products/essential-postnatal-multivitamin

It shows the ingredients but not necessarily the amounts.
I do think that it may help your friend have a bit more confidence in supplements.

[edina]

I'm personally much more comfortable than the average person with taking higher amount of Vit C than typically recommended.
For zinc, selenium, calcium and magnesium, I think it's more important to have a good balance, Vitamin K plays a role in that.

I'm not comfortable recommending dose sizes for other people, though. I think educating people to make those choices themselves is the better way to go.

And it empowers people to feel better about their choices.

Here are a few links that may help.
https://www.cdc.gov/breastfeeding-special-circumstances/hcp/diet-micronutrients/maternal-diet.html
https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/sites/default/files/2021-03/Dietary_Guidelines_for_Americans-2020-2025.pdf
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/infant-and-toddler-health/in-depth/breastfeeding-nutrition/art-20046912
https://americanpregnancy.org/healthy-pregnancy/breastfeeding/nutrition-during-breastfeeding/

Best wishes for great health for your friend, Bill.

[DNA]

I have a very dear friend (aged 37) who had the covid shot. Despite being very healthy in her life prior, since the shot she's come down with pneumonia several times and currently has flu quite badly.

She's a mother who is breastfeeding. When I heard of her situation (immune system weakened and compromised, for sure) and suggested some immune-boosting and flu-curing remedies, she said she doesn't take any supplements because of the potential risk to her baby via her milk.

I do know this is a real thing to be careful about, but I don't know the details, how much of a risk it is, and what supplements are a bad idea while others may well be safe.

Does anyone have any personal experience and/or good advice about this?

:flower:

My suggestion would be to not breastfeed. That ship sailed when you got the covid shot.
The spike protiens go into the milk.
Goats milk is a good breast milk substitute.

I would also recommend smoking cigarettes or finding another method of introducing nicotine into her system.
Stu Peter's has shown some interesting research showing nicotine destroying the spike protiens.
Also natokinase has shown an ability to break down spike protien.

My dad died a couple weeks ago. He was only 67, strong as an ox just a year ago. Looked 20 years younger than his age

Hard-core liberal. He and his spouse got every single vaccine and booster. My dad died of a litany of neurological problems that stacked up out of no where.
He lost control of his head movement his limb control his bowel control. Doctors didn't know the cause. Finally called it lou Gherrigs disease but really they didn't know.
I mention all of this because my dad had quit smoking 7 years ago. But his spouse did not and she is going strong after receiving all the vaccines and boosters my dad did.
So I think there is something to this nicotine thing.

But for real.
Stop nursing.
My family hasn't had a slice of pizza or cheese or milk or ice cream in going on two years because they are vaccinating the cows.
So yeah, stop breastfeeding would be my advice.

[Hym]

I have a very dear friend (aged 37) who had the covid shot. Despite being very healthy in her life prior, since the shot she's come down with pneumonia several times and currently has flu quite badly.

She's a mother who is breastfeeding. When I heard of her situation (immune system weakened and compromised, for sure) and suggested some immune-boosting and flu-curing remedies, she said she doesn't take any supplements because of the potential risk to her baby via her milk.

I do know this is a real thing to be careful about, but I don't know the details, how much of a risk it is, and what supplements are a bad idea while others may well be safe.

Does anyone have any personal experience and/or good advice about this?

:flower:

My suggestion would be to not breastfeed. That ship sailed when you got the covid shot.
The spike protiens go into the milk.
Goats milk is a good breast milk substitute.

I would also recommend smoking cigarettes or finding another method of introducing nicotine into her system.
Stu Peter's has shown some interesting research showing nicotine destroying the spike protiens.
Also natokinase has shown an ability to break down spike protien.

My dad died a couple weeks ago. He was only 67, strong as an ox just a year ago. Looked 20 years younger than his age

Hard-core liberal. He and his spouse got every single vaccine and booster. My dad died of a litany of neurological problems that stacked up out of no where.
He lost control of his head movement his limb control his bowel control. Doctors didn't know the cause. Finally called it lou Gherrigs disease but really they didn't know.
I mention all of this because my dad had quit smoking 7 years ago. But his spouse did not and she is going strong after receiving all the vaccines and boosters my dad did.
So I think there is something to this nicotine thing.

But for real.
Stop nursing.
My family hasn't had a slice of pizza or cheese or milk or ice cream in going on two years because they are vaccinating the cows.
So yeah, stop breastfeeding would be my advice.


Condolences on your Dad passing DNA..........❤️

Yes. An mRNA infusion of the many pathogenic triggers, graphene hydoxide, etc., etc., completely eliminates any safe condition for nursing.

Nattokinase, Serrapeptase, Zinc, Quercetin, D3, Bromelain, N.A.C/N-Acetyl Cysteine.

All of these supplements helped a friend go from a diagnosis of a stage 4 cancer to remission. Do expect a certain amount of anger to come from someone who may just have to get angry enough to then take the personal responsibility to learn the truth of the poison in the shots, the ones they trustingly took, by reading THE DETAILS AND by choosing THEIR OWN INFORMED ACTIONS to find relief. Getting angry, tho it expends some measure of energy, may be the catalyst needed to take matters into their own hands.

Doing errands for my friend was a long measure of my silence, until she heard the RN in the medical building say that she gave up on treating my friend's ovarian cancer, something the RN didn't want her to hear. Altho I did get my friend to stop talking about dying so much, it was her getting pissed off by knowing a medical professional didn't give a damn about her, that was the cure the doctor ordered.

Just as important as these known supplements is the vital importance of intermittent fasting, quality sleep time, sun exposure, soothing music, grounding by walking on grass or the bare earth, decreasing and eliminating screen time, turning off any wifi (and using an ethernet cable instead)....all to allow the body and mind the time needed to heal.

There are many documented cases of those adversely affected by the cvx shots then passing on, by transmission or "shedding", those same completely unnatural bioweapons into children....i.e., infant girls having vaginal bleeding as a result of simply being exposed to grandparents who have had the same shots....and in adults....in post-menopausal women many years past any menstruation at all.
As the mother finds relief, SHE WILL KNOW, when closer contact will be safer with her child.

In all cases, especially as in this one, it must be understood that a post-nursing mother in such a position as this, still contains the power, the love alive within her to nurture that same baby without nursing. The spirit, the soul of the mother in mere proximity to the baby is a nurturing that cannot be measured. It is so powerful and healing a connection that few really know it even exists. I do not like to talk so preachy like this, but the midwife who taught me so much by watching her talk to mothers, constantly proved that verbal reinforcement of the power in a mother is as vital as all of the nutrition and physical support she receives.

Tho those who by smoking have the protection of the nicotinoid receptors now on defense against the transfection created by the spike proteins, the spike proteins that caused the cascade of what are normally considered chronic, but have now turned acute and life threatening diseases, the use of nicotine can cause adverse reactions when nursing. So, No. Nursing and nicotine do not ever mix as they create a predisposition to nicotine addiction, and other addictions as well, in the lifetime of that same infant, as they did in my life being exposed to a "nervous" mother from my soul entering at the 5th month. Though I was cured at age 3, by taking a huge inhale of a cigarette, I know what in utero exposure to nicotine can do to the developing body, mind and soul. I say Yes to finding another cure.

However, without nursing, the alternative is using a nicotine patch of the lowest concentration, in order to become aware of the body's singular needs to combat the foreign bodies it is now fighting, while also understanding that exposure to the known pathogen-creating clot shots is different than exposure to the many varieties of any bio-weaponized viral strains or, as is most often the case, seasonal exposures to common viral or bacterial illnesses.

[Abondance]

Gemmotherapy (and I am talking about the formula Dr. Pol Henry, which is a triple maceration of fresh buds in water-alcohol and glycerine at the same time), although it contains alcohol, can be taken by nursing women not exceeding 5 drops/day before a meal.

Blackcurrant and glutinous alder are well-suited for influenza and respiratory diseases and will not have a hormonal action unlike other buds.

[edina]

A friend visited recently who is doing a lot of detox for some health and digestive issues she has, she shared these recipes with me and I think they could be helpful in any sort of a detox, and immune building situation.


Spinach Soup
4 cups (packed) spinach or 1 6x 4 package of spinach
1 stalk celery
1 garlic clove
1 orange (juice or whole)
2 basil leaves, or ½ bunch of cilantro
1 pint of grape tomatoes, or 2 tomatoes

Put in blender is this order
add 1 cup or more of water


Liver Rescue Soup
2 cups grape tomatoes
1 cup or ½ cucumber
2 stalks celery
¼ cup cilantro
¼ cup parsley
4 cups packed spinach
2T lemon, lime or orange
1 cup asparagus
1-2 dates or 2T honey
½ cup water


I saved these for myself to weave into my own self-care routine.

Bill, how is you're friend doing now? :heart:

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, how is your friend doing now? :heart:I hadn't heard any update, so I asked overnight. Apparently she did have pneumonia (again), not flu, so she's now on antibiotics — a good thing, of course, to have it diagnosed, even if the antibiotics were started late. (And pneumonia is one of those potentially serious things where antibiotics really are needed.) The doc recommended that she should be admitted to hospital, but she point-blank refused. :muscle::)

She's also started supplementation, though I don't know what or how much. And of course, that's a good thing as well.

My messages are being relayed indirectly, hence the lack of detail. But I'll try to find out what she's taking, and point her again at the excellent advice in this thread, which I'm told she HAS read.

:flower::grouphug: :flower:

[angelfire]

I disagree, from personal experience, that antibiotics are necessary for pneumonia.

I developed pneumonia and pleurisy after taking three separate courses of antibiotics for a recurring chest infection. My doctor prescribed another course of antibiotics but fortunately I found a homeopath who immediately advised me to stop them and proceeded to treat me. It took six weeks to completely recover but I believe now that homeopathic treatment may possibly have saved my life.

This is a very difficult situation for your friend and I hope she finds the help she needs.

[DNA]

NAC is a game changer for a myriad of reasons.
But...
It is amazing for the lungs.
It can save your life.
It breaks up mucus in the lungs so you can cough it up and breath again.
There is no single supplement better than this for pneumonia.

xNqKZE94BwA

[Karl]

Bill
Have you heard about Bio-Algae Concentrates? BAC/BioNutrition?

https://bionutrition.com/
https://awakeningthegeniuswithin.com/

All the best
Karl

[Bill Ryan]

Bill
Have you heard about Bio-Algae Concentrates? BAC/BioNutrition?

https://bionutrition.com/
https://awakeningthegeniuswithin.com/

All the best
KarlThank you! (This is new to me, so most valuable :highfive:)

[DeDukshyn]

Many thanks! That seems to make a lot of sense.
What were some of the supplements you wanted to suggest to her?Vitamin D, Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin C, Oregano Oil were at the top of my list. (Quercetin too ideally, but it does appear (https://www.consumerlab.com/answers/which-supplements-should-be-avoided-when-breastfeeding/breastfeeding-supplements/) that Quercetin may be a no-no while breastfeeding.)

Just a quick off the top of my head (18 years in advanced supplement research company) essential vitamins and minerals fine - but herbals, it really depends, and each one needs to be looked into. At the company I worked for, any herbal that didn't have safety data on breastfeeding got the typical warning of (consult healthcare practitioner before ..., blah blah), and any that had safety data, had a proper warning. There are herbals out there that are quite powerful and need to be used with consideration.

As Edina posted "functional foods" are a good bet - but extremely high quantities of any food (no matter how "healthy") should also have a bit of careful consideration.

I like to trend my nutrition towards variety over quantity, if you're not 100% sure of the safety for a given situation.