Optimum Recovery after a Stroke

[Bill Ryan]

I have a good friend (a loyal, longstanding, very well-informed non-member guest) who has recently had a stroke. She's happily back online after quite a long hiatus, but has shared that she "is not 100%" yet.

Does anyone have knowledge or experience about how to fully recover, quickly and strongly, from a stroke?

:heart:

[RunningDeer]

Welcome back! https://i.imgur.com/4WWe5ym.gif

I have no experience on such matters but what comes to mind is gentle exercise and body stretches, walks in the sun, bask in the sun.

White animals enter my life when I've gone through or I'm in the process of great change. So I send this gift to you, along with blessings of a full and speedy recovery.

With heart,
Paula :heart:


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[Arcturian108]

I have a good friend (a loyal, longstanding, very well-informed non-member guest) who has recently had a stroke. She's happily back online after quite a long hiatus, but has shared that she "is not 100%" yet.

Does anyone have knowledge or experience about how to fully recover, quickly and strongly, from a stroke?

:heart:

The Australian healer, Charlie Goldsmith, is really a miracle worker. He works with a few thousand people at one time over the internet through his Facebook account. I have met him in person, and he is amazing to watch. I personally experienced how he healed a weakness in one of my legs that I couldn't heal myself. That healing occurred with his focus on me for about one minute. That's all.

[ErtheVessel]

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, Bill.

Here are a few things that come to mind that I would try if I had a stroke.

Methylene Blue and DMSO, (though not necessarily together!) I hope your friend is someone who is discerning and likes to do research. Both of these things would require some research and very careful vetting before using, but they both seem to have some effect on the brain. The DMSO might have been better early on, shortly after the stroke occurred.

There is a website called Earth Clinic that has a whole lot of suggestions from various people recommending remedies for stroke. Just go to Ailments, click on "S" and scroll down to stroke. This website has all kinds of sometimes wacky home remedies, but some of them are genius. So again, caution and discernment advised.

Acupuncture might also be helpful. This depends on finding a really competent acupuncturist who has some knowledge of how to deal with stroke. Not all of them do. And not all acupuncturists are created equal, so it might take some exploration to find one. This can be expensive, as they often charge quite a lot for just one treatment.

Also, there is a supplement called Vinpocetine which is derived from the periwinkle plant. My sister, who had a stroke more than two years ago, takes this and she says it helps her some. I would be cautious with this one too, though. I tried it because it's supposed to be good for your brain but it gave me nightmares. My sister takes it regularly but does not have that problem.

My best wishes to your friend. :heart2:

[RunningDeer]

There is a website called Earth Clinic that has a whole lot of suggestions from various people recommending remedies for stroke. Just go to Ailments, click on "S" and scroll down to stroke. This website has all kinds of sometimes wacky home remedies, but some of them are genius. So again, caution and discernment advised.



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Stroke Recovery and Prevention Remedies (link (https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/stroke.html))


The result of an interruption in the blood supply to the brain, a stroke is a medical emergency that requires medical expertise. Following initial treatment, however, a variety of home treatments can be used to reverse damage and promote recovery. These methods can also be used to help prevent a stroke and other related issues.

What is a Stroke?


A disruption in the blood supply to part of the brain, a stroke causes oxygen deprivation in the brain. Within mere minutes of the onset, brain cells begin to die, which causes a number of symptoms and side effects. Trouble walking, speaking difficulty, confusion, paralysis of the face or appendages, trouble seeing and headache are all common.

Home Remedies for a Cerebrovascular Accident


Treatments for a stroke center on regulating blood flow and replenishing lost tissue and muscle to promote a full recovery. Apple cider vinegar, coconut oil and vitamin C are among the natural treatment options for stroke patients. A raw food diet and regular exercise are also beneficial additions to a healthy lifestyle and treatment regimen.

Apple Cider Vinegar


Apple cider is beneficial to stroke patents in a variety of ways. Apple cider vinegar is a natural detoxifier and purifier, so it functions to cleanse the blood and body of any toxins that may contribute to the condition. This vinegar also thins the blood and oxidizes it, making it flow easier throughout the body and being more effective as it does flow.

Coconut Oil


Coconut oil is rich in a specific strain of medium fatty acids. These fats function to improve nutrient absorption, which improves recovery. The unique composition of coconut oil also enhances the neural passageways to improve brain functioning and recovery.

Vitamin C


Vitamin C is a natural antioxidant. As such, this vitamin eliminates free radicals from the body that may contribute to the condition. The vitamin also supports the replenishment of tissues and immune function.

A stroke can be a life-threatening condition; however, it is a condition that can be treated and prevented. With the appropriate nutritional supplements and treatment considerations, individuals can experience nearly a full recovery from such a condition.



Click here (https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/stroke.html) for a number of comments on personal experiences and remedies.

[Ankle Biter]

There is a website called Earth Clinic that has a whole lot of suggestions from various people recommending remedies for stroke. Just go to Ailments, click on "S" and scroll down to stroke. This website has all kinds of sometimes wacky home remedies, but some of them are genius. So again, caution and discernment advised.



https://www.earthclinic.com/assets/images/ec-icon-logo.png
EarthClinic.com (https://www.earthclinic.com/)
....[Aliments (https://www.earthclinic.com/ailments.html)]


Stroke Recovery and Prevention Remedies (link (https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/stroke.html))


The result of an interruption in the blood supply to the brain, a stroke is a medical emergency that requires medical expertise. Following initial treatment, however, a variety of home treatments can be used to reverse damage and promote recovery. These methods can also be used to help prevent a stroke and other related issues.

What is a Stroke?


A disruption in the blood supply to part of the brain, a stroke causes oxygen deprivation in the brain. Within mere minutes of the onset, brain cells begin to die, which causes a number of symptoms and side effects. Trouble walking, speaking difficulty, confusion, paralysis of the face or appendages, trouble seeing and headache are all common.

Home Remedies for a Cerebrovascular Accident


Treatments for a stroke center on regulating blood flow and replenishing lost tissue and muscle to promote a full recovery. Apple cider vinegar, coconut oil and vitamin C are among the natural treatment options for stroke patients. A raw food diet and regular exercise are also beneficial additions to a healthy lifestyle and treatment regimen.

Apple Cider Vinegar


Apple cider is beneficial to stroke patents in a variety of ways. Apple cider vinegar is a natural detoxifier and purifier, so it functions to cleanse the blood and body of any toxins that may contribute to the condition. This vinegar also thins the blood and oxidizes it, making it flow easier throughout the body and being more effective as it does flow.

Coconut Oil


Coconut oil is rich in a specific strain of medium fatty acids. These fats function to improve nutrient absorption, which improves recovery. The unique composition of coconut oil also enhances the neural passageways to improve brain functioning and recovery.

Vitamin C


Vitamin C is a natural antioxidant. As such, this vitamin eliminates free radicals from the body that may contribute to the condition. The vitamin also supports the replenishment of tissues and immune function.

A stroke can be a life-threatening condition; however, it is a condition that can be treated and prevented. With the appropriate nutritional supplements and treatment considerations, individuals can experience nearly a full recovery from such a condition.



Click here (https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/stroke.html) for a number of comments on personal experiences and remedies.


Some good tips here thanks. Have you heard of people using Lion's Mane mushroom? My friend is looking for things that can help his dad that suffered a stroke a little while back.

[ErtheVessel]

My sister does take Lion's Mane as well as the Vinpocetine. She also gets acupuncture regularly from someone who was trained to treat stroke. He has helped her a lot.

My sister is much better than she was initially, but not anywhere near normal. All of these things have helped her, but I think the main component of recovery from stroke (or anything, really) is a defiant and optimistic spirit. One must really fight to get better and believe that it is possible. Sadly, she has never been much of a fighter, when it comes to her own health and well-being.

[RunningDeer]

Some good tips here thanks. Have you heard of people using Lion's Mane mushroom? My friend is looking for things that can help his dad that suffered a stroke a little while back.

Health Benefits of Lion’s Mane Mushrooms



April 19, 2024
article (https://health.clevelandclinic.org/lions-mane-mushrooms-benefits)

These trendy fungi may promote a healthy brain, heart and gut, but more research is needed to say for sure


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They’re called “lion’s mane” for a reason. These big, white incredible, edible (they taste like seafood) mushrooms have icicle-like spikes that dangle downward, resembling the king of the jungle’s shaggy mane. Other nicknames include monkey head, bearded hedgehog and pom pom mushrooms.

Definitely the cooler cousin in the fungi family (move over button and ****ake), lion’s mane mushrooms (hericium erinaceus for the scientific set) have a long history in traditional Chinese medicine (https://health.clevelandclinic.org/chinese-medicine) and in Native American healing practices. And because of the impressive benefits they may have to offer the mind and body, lion’s mane mushrooms have become increasingly popular.

“People are looking for alternatives for things before they go on medications,” says registered dietitian Beth Czerwony, RD, LD. “It’s in this holistic attitude that we find food is medicine.”

Lion’s mane mushrooms have a mild, sweet flavor that people often say is similar to lobster or crab meat. You can eat them raw, dried or cooked. They also come as a supplement in capsule, liquid and powder forms, so you can sprinkle them in your soup or add them to your morning cup of joe or smoothie. There are even lion’s mane capsules and gummies for added convenience.

But is the hoopla worth the hype? Are lion’s mane mushrooms really all that? Czerwony sheds some light on the mushroom of the moment.

Are lion’s mane mushrooms good for you?

Lab studies sure point that way, but research on humans is very limited. It’s important to keep that in mind. “Things like this are almost never approved by the Federal Drug Administration (FDA),” says Czerwony. “So, we can’t really say if the potential benefits for humans are reliable in the long term, and we have no real guidelines for consumption.”

Czerwony recommends similar steps before starting any supplement: “Ask yourself why you want to take it, what are you expecting it to do what are your goals? Then, if there are no known side effects, it’s really up to you.”

Fortunately, lion’s mane seems to be safe to take (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27816657/) unless, of course, you’re allergic to mushrooms. But Czerwony strongly recommends talking with a healthcare provider first.

Lion’s mane mushroom health benefits

As you consider whether to give these fungi a try, you might want to know more about their health claims. Here are five potential health benefits of lion’s mane mushrooms:

1. Help support brain health
Non-human studies (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26853959/) show that lion’s mane mushrooms have compounds that stimulate the production of nerve growth factor (NGF), which helps grow brain cells and may enhance memory and focus. Lab research (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25159861/) also suggests that lion’s mane may help grow and repair nerve cells after a traumatic brain injury (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/8874-traumatic-brain-injury) (TBI), like a stroke (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/5601-stroke). While we need more studies to know if these claims are true in humans, it’s no wonder lion’s mane is sometimes referred to as the “smart mushroom.”

Another study included (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18844328/) two groups of 50- to 80-year-olds with mild cognitive impairment (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17990-mild-cognitive-impairment). One group took 250-milligram tablets containing lion’s mane dry powder three times a day for 16 weeks. The other group was given a placebo (a supplement with no active ingredient) for the same amount of time. Results showed that those taking lion’s mane scored higher on cognitive tests than those who didn’t. After stopping lion’s mane, the first group’s test scores went down.
2. Reduce inflammation and oxidative stress
Chronic inflammation (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/21660-inflammation) is a symptom of many conditions like heart disease (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/24129-heart-disease), rheumatoid arthritis (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/4924-rheumatoid-arthritis) and even certain cancers (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/12194-cancer). Lab research (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21716693/) shows that the anti-inflammatory effects (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26559695/) and antioxidant properties (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21716693/) of lion’s mane may help minimize inflammation and guard your cells against damage. “Anytime we can add an anti-inflammatory into our bodies, that’s a good thing,” says Czerwony.
3. Protect your gut
Lion’s mane mushrooms contain probiotics (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/14598-probiotics), which support your immune system (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/21196-immune-system) and promote the growth of healthy bacteria in your digestive system (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/7041-digestive-system). They also prevent the growth of a bacteria called H. pylori, which can cause stomach ulcers (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22314-stomach-peptic-ulcer). A 2019 non-human study (https://www.dl.begellhouse.com/journals/708ae68d64b17c52,2806f82d786f0ca1,6e9ef24864bd9e52.html) showed that lion’s mane mushrooms might help treat ulcers. But more research is needed before we know if it can be helpful for treating stomach ulcers in humans.

“Improving immune function is directly related to gut health,” says Czerwony. “When your gut microbiome (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/7041-digestive-system) is healthy, your immune system works better. Lion’s mane mushrooms seem to quiet down inflammation in your gut.”

Another non-human study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4415743/) also suggests that lion’s mane may reduce liver inflammation from excessive alcohol consumption. And other lab study (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27481156/) shows that it may help treat ulcerative colitis (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/10351-ulcerative-colitis), a type of inflammatory bowel disease (IBD). But these studies need to be done in humans before we can know for sure.
4. Support heart health
Non-human studies (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3714447/) suggest that lion’s mane mushroom extracts may help keep cholesterol numbers (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/11920-cholesterol-numbers-what-do-they-mean) in check. Another non-human study showed they could reduce high blood pressure (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3714447/), too. They were noted to do this by improving lipid metabolism (how the body breaks down and stores fat for energy) and circulation, as well as helping blood vessels stay healthy and work better. To know if the same effects will be true in humans, more research is needed.
5. Help fight cancer
Because of its unique ingredients, lion’s mane mushrooms may help fight off cancer cells and slow the spread of certain types of cancer, at least according to some non-human research (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23668749/). No human studies have been done as of yet, though, to test the effectiveness of lion’s mane mushrooms in treating cancer.
What to consider before trying lion’s mane mushrooms

While lion’s mane mushrooms aren’t stocked in all supermarkets, you might have better luck finding fresh or dried varieties and supplements in specialty grocery and health food stores. And of course, like almost everything else we consume these days, they’re available online, too.

“But no matter where you buy them and in whatever form — fresh, dried or as a supplement — make sure it’s from a place you trust that has good reviews,” warns Czerwony. “If you’re going to put anything in your body, do your research first.”

[lunaflare]

magnesium oil--rub on the weakened muscles: the touch, stimulation, focus of loving thoughts, and the mineral itself may assist the healing process.

[NancyV]

I had a stroke sometime around 2003 when I was about 56. My symptoms were very unpleasant. I was dizzy constantly, couldn’t sleep more than 2 hours at a time, couldn’t think straight and several other uncomfortable and painful symptoms. I didn’t go to a doctor for about a month. Since I did not improve at all, I wanted to find out for sure if it was a stroke or a heart attack or whatever.

The doctor told me it was a stroke and that I should begin treatments ASAP. I said thanks but I won’t be doing any treatments. I went home and started doing research. I found a clinic about 6 hours away that had a Papimi machine which is a PEMF “Pulsed Electro Magnetic Frequency” machine. My husband and I both did 10 treatments each.

After the first treatment I slept 8 hours straight for the first time in about 5-6 weeks at our hotel. We stayed overnight and had another treatment the next day. Although we had 10 treatments we probably only needed about 5. I completely recovered after maybe 4-5 treatments. My husband had only around 55 percent use of his lungs as he had white lung disease. After the treatments it probably went to around 90-95 percent and didn’t get worse the rest of his life. None of my symptoms have ever returned.

The US made the Papimi machine illegal a couple of years after we used it, so no clinics here have it anymore. I guess it worked too well !! It’s still legal in Canada and probably most other countries. I met several people at the clinic who were amazingly cured of different diseases. It would be worth a try for any disease or condition. Treatments were not overly expensive. 👍

[Agape]

My grandpa suffered several brain strokes , the last of which left him paralyzed on the left side of body but he never gave up on exercising his hand and walking around the town, even travelling to see us in that condition , that lasted for years and since I remember ( I was about 5 when he suffered the last "bad stroke") , his speech was slurred since - some neural circuits in brain got damaged so he often ran himself over his "nerve" trying to say something but couldn't "find the word".

Btw - the sort of brain paralysis when one can't recall the correct word or name is really mean, I've experienced it number of times under stress ( even recently due to Sun stroke , solar intensity in October on the Northern Hemisphere was high on many records ).

Forget about electronics in "that state". Or having ploughing machine and twenty people loudly talking for 3 days , working on fields , beautifully.

Back to the topic.

There wasn't any big treatment for cerebral paralysis in the 70s some supportive medicines were rolling out but had only minor effect , placebo effect , no improvement for years untill my mum ( his daughter ) who was in medical field got him - under hand- vitamin injections of B12, B6 (pyridoxine ) and B5( panthenol ) in the largest dosage available -

it then required paying off several specialists who each could prescribe only 2 boxes of 5-6 vials each -

and gave him about 6 week course of everyday treatment

after which his condition experienced reversal , that all after decade or more of slow descent to immobility , and danger of ending up in institution and being fed painkillers.

I would definitely recommend vitamins in large dosage
for course of treatment,

root and leaf vegetable soups , Brahmi herb ( Baccopa monnieri ) , ginger and turmeric - preferably fresh bulbs where available, healthy oils etc. ,
there is lots of information on the forum concerning this topic already.

It's important not to let the condition deteriorate and degrade beyond the point of "no return" ( catatonic state with substantial loss of intelligence and communication , "vegetative survival mode").

Although sugar and other high calorie, high glucose products pose a risk in case of some patients ( in case they are diabetic or overweight ),
glucose is important for all forms of brain recovery because it's the only food brain can metabolize to its own benefit.


So in all traumatic injuries and brain injuries, once people can start eating , it is important to feed them high quality foods , according to their tolerance such as chocolate, honey, ghee ( clarified butter) , also dates and figs, maple syrup and so forth,

for timebeing - even with the risk they will gain kilo or two because it's the only food brain can benefit from.

Never forget that brain does not "eat" proteins or fats .

It may use some of them to develop better myelin shields or better venal membranes ,
however, in core your brain is a "flower" that strives from love and "something sweet".

Increasing quality vs quantity in post trauma recoveries always helps.

Also smells may help, including fresh flowers, natural oils and incense ,

Bach Flower Essences etc.


"When there's a will there is a way .."


🪽

[Mike Gorman]

I have read a lot of accounts concerning strokes, the brain is capable of plastic adaptation (you know, moving one function to another neural center) , we can encourage recovery with all the 'common sense' measures, rest and nourishment, Aspirin is an incredible medicine - 300 mg or one standard tablet per day is regarded as being excellent for lowering inflammation and keeping the blood flowing: time is of course the big healer, and a positive attitude, humor is essential.

[Jamie]

Both my Father & Uncle had strokes, so i can only base my answers on them.
My believe is the brain is 'Neuro-plastic'... it can adapt to most problems and create new connections.

For any inprovement after a stroke, you need to use the problem limbs (or mouth) for it to recover... for the brain to hear the signal coming from those parts of the body... to re-wire and improve.

My dad was a builder, so even after his stroke his limbs recovered quickly as he still regurlary used them regardless. He just carried on. He had no concept of stopping doing what he'd been doing all his life.
His speech though was still not great, and his face drooped on one side.

He was a prolific book reader, so I suggested he read the books & newspapers aloud.
His face muscles and speech were back to normal in a few months.

I believe the brain is majorly adaptive, you just need to repeatedly keep using whatever is causing you problems as a stroke survivor.
I appreciate this might not work for everyone, but please give it a go.
It can be a very depressing situation, but please never give up.
Our neuro-plastic brains are amazing... just give it a chance and I reckon it will adapt to the effort you put in.

[Dennis Leahy]

Post covid (or for other reasons), someone may have researched and is now taking nattokinase to rid themselves of lingering spike proteins. One effect of nattokinase is to slow down clotting. If I had a stroke, I'd stop taking that for months. I'd also stop taking any pharmaceutical drug that alters blood clotting (elequis, warfarin/coumadin), although the INR nurse will want to commit you to a psyche institution if you dare suggest it. A stroke is a brain bleed - why in the hell would anyone want substances in them that makes it easier to bleed out?


I wouldn't take any medication (or water, or mouthwash, or toothpaste) that contains fluoride. Fluoride easily crosses the blood-brain barrier and causes brain/neuronal damage.



From the opposite perspective (healing), I'd include vitamin C and bioflavonoids, which are critical for vascular health.
Iodine and iodide: I'd take one drop of 2% Lugol's solution per day.

Vitamin D3 and vitamin K2 (taken at different times.) I'd take 10,000IU of D3 a day for a few months.
Vitamin K1 (otherwise known just as "vitamin K") is involved in the normal clotting cascade. Eat leafy greens for K1.

Brain and nerve health require all the vitamins and minerals, but I think the B vitamins are obvious standouts for nerves and brain health, especially B-12 and B-1 (thiamine.) [I'd recommend benfotiamine as the form of B-1.)]
Magnesium, zinc, copper, and electrolytes are the minerals/ions I'd focus on. Watch calcium too, but probably not a supplement, rather get calcium in food.

Autophagy is important to remove the waste products, so heed the advice to fast for a minimum of 14 hours per day.
Pure water
Sleep
Sunlight
Very light exercise (like slow walking on flat terrain.)



No heavy lifting or any work or exercise or bending over that increases vascular pressure in the head. A PEMF machine or red light therapy will increase the blood's oxygen-carrying capacity (they don't speed-up the heart) without increasing blood pressure.

[ErtheVessel]

I wanted to add that there is a lot of "mythology" within the western medical model (doctors, books, other healthcare practitioners) that whatever degree to which you recover within the first year is all that you will ever recover. My sister was told this pointblank, and this is simply not true. I have continued to tell her that there is no time limit to her recovery. She is almost at the 3 year mark and she has just now started recovering movement in her hand that was completely nonfunctional. As others have mentioned above, the brain is remarkably "plastic" and the body seeks balance and wholeness, always.

It doesn't matter at all how many months or years have gone by, more recovery is always possible.

[RunningDeer]

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, Bill.

Here are a few things that come to mind that I would try if I had a stroke.

Methylene Blue and DMSO, (though not necessarily together!) I hope your friend is someone who is discerning and likes to do research. Both of these things would require some research and very careful vetting before using, but they both seem to have some effect on the brain. The DMSO might have been better early on, shortly after the stroke occurred.



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When I take Methylene Blue, I add MaryRuth’s organic Vitamin C (https://www.amazon.com/Organic-Vitamin-MaryRuths-Liquid-Supplement/dp/B087F8TMX5/ref=asc_df_B087F8TMX5/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693649670153&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7702037694354003044&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003269&hvtargid=pla-974186282789&psc=1&mcid=9a7199e2cd2a3593a2518c2f3f120f61) liquid drops.


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“Probably the single most important characteristic of methylene blue is that it rejuvenates mitochondria. If you rejuvenate mitochondria in the brain, magic starts to happen. People with neurological disorders that are felt to be irreversible are not irreversible. It just turns out they’re irreversible when traditional methods of treatment are used to treat them. “ ~Dr. Thomas Levy







“…So even without needing or having to understand biochemistry at all, in a nutshell, methylene blue makes mitochondria, which are the powerhouses of your cells, which means that the powerhouses of your body makes mitochondria much more efficient in making energy and much more efficient in generating less oxidative stress in the process of generating that energy. “

“Methylene Blue helps the brain, improved mood, improved energy, enhanced cognitive function, a greater sense of wellbeing. It’s safe. And as you mentioned, it’s a very powerful antioxidant, and it seems to work a lot in the central nervous system.

“And early on it was discovered by a number of people who worked with it, including Dr. Paul Ehrlich, a Nobel Prize winner was that, wow, some people who were depressed just started losing their depression after they took methylene blue. “



Snippets from the transcript (https://realhealthpodcast.org/2023/09/a-second-look-at-methylene-blue/):



Dr. Thomas Levy: “…when you get into the substance of it, you realize it’s just an incredibly dynamic therapy. And as we’ve discussed, and not all antioxidants have this property. I might add an antioxidant is not an antioxidant, it’s not an antioxidant, but methylene blue in many ways parallels the activities of vitamin C in the body and what it does and the effects that it has on increased oxidative stress inside cells and oxidized biomolecules, and along with some unique and increased activity over vitamin C when it comes to problems with the central nervous system. 

Dr. Ron Hunninghake: It’s been looked upon as a nootropic, which that is something that helps the brain, improved mood, improved energy, enhanced cognitive function, a greater sense of wellbeing. It’s safe. And as you mentioned, it’s a very powerful antioxidant, and it seems to work a lot in the central nervous system. So what is it that makes it different from vitamin C that makes it so useful in terms of cognitive functions? 

Dr. Thomas Levy: Well, as we just mentioned, it is a powerful antioxidant. And generally speaking, for any condition that you want to get effective clinical outcomes, you want to have a way of delivery, whether it’s vitamin C or anything else, a very powerful antioxidant effect in the tissue that’s involved. So with that in mind, it turns out that methylene blue has fat-soluble characteristics. It has water-soluble characteristics. It’s not that large a molecule, and it very, very rapidly gets taken up into the cells throughout the body. And some of the literature says that it gets up to 100-fold more concentrated inside the central nervous system than the rest of the body, only an hour after administration. So it really likes the central nervous system. And early on it was discovered by a number of people who worked with it, including Dr. Paul Ehrlich, a Nobel Prize winner was that, wow, some people who were depressed ju

Dr. Ron Hunninghake: I think if I just take a moment here and explain to the audience how I make my own methylene blue solution to take, because that was a number of the comments were, “Now, how do you make this stuff? What’s the best way to take it?” And there’s a lot of different ways, but I think this particular way elucidates what you just said, if you want to make yourself a methylene blue drink, what you do? What I do is take some warm water, warmer hot water, and I put ascorbic acid in the water, maybe a half of a teaspoon, and then I’ll take my pharmaceutical grade methylene blue drops that are available off the internet, and I’ll put 20 drops in, which is 10 milligrams of methylene blue.

Interestingly enough, as it drips in, it’s dark inky blue, so you have to be careful how you handle methylene blue because it can really stain stuff. It’s dark and inky, but it starts to react with the vitamin C water, and it turns into leuko methylene blue, which is a kind of a very light, kind of blue or turquoise color. And it’s fascinating to see the color metric change that occurs. Now, Dr. Levy, why is that important to have a methylene blue that now owns an extra electron? What does that do to help the cell function better, especially cells in the brain? 

Dr. Ron Hunninghake: Just for our general audience, in terms of dosage, we had a number of questions and comments about dosing. Well, first of all, are there any contraindications to using methylene blue, isn’t it the antidepressants theoretically could be a problem, and you may have to start really low in that case. 



A Second Look at Methylene Blue (22 min)



September, 12, 2023
TRANSCRIPT (https://realhealthpodcast.org/2023/09/a-second-look-at-methylene-blue/)

In this episode of the Real Health Podcast, Chief Medical Officer Dr. Ron Hunninghake, MD, and Dr. Thomas Levy, MD, JD, revisit the topic of methylene blue. They address the themes of some of the nearly 400 questions and comments received after their March episode, including how methylene blue works, how to take it, and general suggestions for dosing.


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One more 23 minute video on Methylene Blue.


Antioxidant Power of Methylene Blue






There’s a lot of theory about Alzheimer’s being related to chronic low grade infection in the brain. And you’ve talked a lot about how the biofilm in the nose could be feeding bacteria into the brain, and certainly the methylene blue has shown to have antifungal, antibacterial, antiviral properties. And so if you’re getting more of that in your brain, you may be helping to reduce at least the viral or infectious etiologies of chronic brain disease, Alzheimer’s or whatever.” ~ Dr. Thomas Levy
Snippets from transcript: (https://realhealthpodcast.org/2023/03/antioxidant-power-of-methylene-blue/)

Dr. Ron Hunninghake: What about the brain? Because that’s what really got my attention is that this stuff seems to cross the blood-brain barrier and get into the brain. And so if it acts a lot like vitamin C, there’s a lot of, matter of fact, I just finished a presentation on brain inflammation and wouldn’t this be a good thing to kind of help augment vitamin C in the brain?

Dr. Thomas Levy: …One of the early people who dealt with methylene blue, Paul Ehrlich referred to methylene blue as the magic bullet in this regard referring to the neurologic system because it’s so quickly targeted the neurologic system. Well, the thing that does that for the most part is the fact that methylene blue has both lipid soluble and water-soluble characteristics, unlike vitamin C, which is just water cycle. So it penetrates cell membranes very easily, and then once it passes the fatty cell membrane, it’s perfectly capable of disseminating well through the water-soluble intercellular environment. And as a pure observation, it’s been shown that when you take an intravenous dose of methylene blue, and for the most part I don’t think that’s necessary, but an intravenous dose of methylene blue within an hour, the concentrations are tenfold higher in the central nervous system than elsewhere.

Dr. Ron Hunninghake: How will methylene blue reduce inflammation in the brain? I mean, I know this gets into some redox chemistry, but what is it about methylene blue and vitamin C in terms of how they work together in the brain?

Dr. Thomas Levy: Well, that’s a good question and it’s something that needs to be emphasized, I think because we throw these, we, not we, the medical literature throws out the terms inflammation, oxidative stress, all this, and they’re generally valid observations. But it’s important to understand that if you have an area that is inflamed, you have an area that is vitamin C deficient, you have an area that is deficient of antioxidant status. And the other way of calling it focal scurvy, the point being is inflammation is nothing more than a focal depletion of item C and a focal depletion of vitamin C result in inflammation. They’re really basically synonyms.

So with that in mind, then it’s easy to see that even though vitamin C gets into the brain quite well, and in the healthy brain, you have probably 100 fold more concentration of vitamin C in the neurons than most of the other cells in the body. But let’s take the example of pathology though. We’re just talking about this. Let’s say somebody has not just depression, psychiatric problems, actual Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s diseases, and we might already be pushing hard on the vitamin C and not really getting the result that we want. It’s incredible, probably due to the characteristics of methylene blue we just discussed. It gets into the brain in higher concentration and starts delivering that antioxidant impact that’s needed in those vitamin C deficient inflamed areas.

Dr. Ron Hunninghake: And also in terms of the brain, and this kind of ties into methylene blue, there’s a lot of theory about Alzheimer’s being related to chronic low grade infection in the brain. And you’ve talked a lot about how the biofilm in the nose could be feeding bacteria into the brain, and certainly the methylene blue has shown to have antifungal, antibacterial, antiviral properties. And so if you’re getting more of that in your brain, you may be helping to reduce at least the viral or infectious etiologies of chronic brain disease, Alzheimer’s or whatever.

Dr. Thomas Levy: And that’s a great point. And in fact, I think it would show up in most diseases, but they haven’t tested most diseases this way. They have a whole host of studies that show actual Alzheimer’s tissues often has biofilms and pathogens in it, typically from the mouth, porphyromonas gingivalis. Okay. So yes, they’re there. And having something that can potentially wipe it out is going to be a tremendous adjunct to just its general antioxidant capacity.

Dr. Thomas Levy: “…we’ve kind of always just assumed, me included, of course, that the main role of vitamin C was to be given in a reduced electron rich form. And then by giving a large dose of vitamin C, you’re giving a large dose of electrons too. Well, yes you are, but that’s not the main impact. The main impact is you’re giving something that gives and takes, gives and takes, gives and takes, gives and takes, passes those electrons back and forth around the cells because we know, we have studies that show in clinical circumstances, situations a reduced form of vitamin C is just as effective, or I should say the oxidized form is just as effective as a reduced form.

Same thing for methylene blue. They’ve showed methylene blue just as effective in those septic shock patients in its oxidized form as its reduced form. So the thing is, is they’re not there. Vitamin C and methylene blue, their primary purpose is not to give you electrons anew, it’s to saturate the matrix of the cell with as much antioxidant capacity as well, so that the electron flow is optimized. And we’ve talked about electron flow, of course is current. And there’s measurable micro currents inside the cell, there’s measurable voltages across the cell membrane, and there’s worked out healthy micro currents and healthy voltages. And when you drop down below that, you get a sick cell, which is not surprising because it’s just reflecting, of course, a decreased antioxidant status. Just another measure of how effectively the new electrons you take in your diet are subsequently disseminated throughout the body.



Antioxidant Power of Methylene Blue (23 min)





March 28, 2023
TRANSCRIPT (https://realhealthpodcast.org/2023/03/antioxidant-power-of-methylene-blue/)

In this episode of the Real Health Podcast, Chief Medical Officer Dr. Ron Hunninghake, MD, talks to Dr. Thomas Levy, MD, JD, and member of Riordan Clinic Board of Directors, about methylene blue. Originally created as a dye, methylene blue has been found to have powerful antioxidant properties beneficial in medical uses.


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[wondering]

I want to mention PEMF, in post #10, is available through Centropix, primarily through their mat. I purchased it after recommendation from a woman, who operates an EES clinic, who credits PEMF with having prevented her from becoming a quadriplegic. She had a very severe accident and has something lodged in her spinal cord which cannot be removed. She states that her PEMF mat has prevented progression of her paralysis over the past number of years.
I am sure that PEMF is available elsewhere as well, but this is the one I am familiar with. So good to know that Nancy found it helpful.

[Mike]

Lots of great suggestions here.

I'd also add: coenzyme q10, l-carnitine, magnesium, and d-ribose powder.

[Bill Ryan]

Dear Friends, thank you all so VERY much for this rich collection of great information. :muscle:

Another loyal non-member friend has been reading the thread (as many other guests have), and emailed me this:

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Dr. Jack Kruse advocates for a mitochondria-centered approach to recovery after a stroke, focusing on optimizing cellular energy production to support brain repair and overall recovery. He often emphasizes the following strategies:


Sunlight Exposure: Kruse suggests daily exposure to natural sunlight, especially in the early morning, to stimulate mitochondrial function, regulate circadian rhythms, and support overall neurological health. He believes that sunlight can help with neurogenesis (the formation of new brain cells) and reduce inflammation, both of which are crucial for stroke recovery.
Cold Thermogenesis: Kruse promotes cold exposure as a way to improve mitochondrial efficiency, reduce inflammation, and stimulate brain repair processes. This could involve cold showers, ice baths, or cold packs on targeted areas.
Grounding/Earthing: He recommends spending time barefoot outdoors on natural surfaces like grass or sand. Grounding is thought to reduce inflammation and improve blood flow, which could help with recovery.
Nutrient-Dense Diet: A diet rich in omega-3 fatty acids, found in fish and certain nuts, is thought to support brain health and reduce inflammation. Kruse emphasizes a low-carb, high-fat diet to optimize mitochondrial function and provide the brain with stable energy.
Blue Light Avoidance: He advises avoiding artificial blue light, especially from screens, as it can disrupt circadian rhythms and impair brain recovery. Instead, he suggests using red or infrared light therapy in the evening to support cellular repair.

Kruse’s approach emphasizes holistic lifestyle changes to support the body’s natural repair processes, with an emphasis on environmental and lifestyle factors that enhance mitochondrial function.

[RunningDeer]

Dear Friends, thank you all so VERY much for this rich collection of great information. :muscle:

Another loyal non-member friend has been reading the thread (as many other guests have), and emailed me this:

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advocates for a mitochondria-centered approach to recovery after a stroke, focusing on optimizing cellular energy production to support brain repair and overall recovery. He often emphasizes the following strategies:

Kruse’s approach emphasizes holistic lifestyle changes to support the body’s natural repair processes, with an emphasis on environmental and lifestyle factors that enhance mitochondrial function.



Hello, loyal Avalon Viewer/Guest. https://i.imgur.com/gXR1YbU.gif Thank you for the Dr. Jack Kruse info. I'll add the link to some of his vids, and transcripts found on the thread called Dr. Jack Kruse (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123684-Dr.-Jack-Kruse&p=1638138&viewfull=1#post1638138).

I tried to find the video where a young woman had her skull bashed in over and over. According to Dr. Jack, most doctors would've given up but because of the physical evidence under her fingernails and other indicators of a fighting spirit, it demonstrated her desire to live. So he went on for IIRC two straight days picking out splinters of skull and such. And how Methylene Blue played an important part in the surgery and recovery. There was also another video where he praises Methylene Blue as part of his medical tool kit.

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[halcyon026]

Lions mane, Vitamin C, Psilocybin, and Cannabiniods.

Paul Stamets is a great resource for info about the research that's been done around combining Lions mane, Vitamin C, and Psilocybin.

I've known one person who's had multi strokes, they recovered and the doctors said they haven't seen such a strong recovery, almost back to normal.

They started using cannabiniods daily after the stroke. Cannabiniods are nueroprotectants and antioxidants. Despite what the commercial showed, your brain on cannabiniods isn't actually being "fried" like an egg.

I tend to like info from Gary Brecka and Barbara O'Neill also.

[ian33]

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.chemrestox.3c00259
hydrogen water
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hydrogen-Potuem-Capacity-Generator-Thermostat/dp/B0B7MLV2S9/ref=sr_1_3?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4ZHBYRGP6v9hUcbWuseFen8UO2ul7yMf_TD4dA9YJ7Nx-ccdZBZlugS7hftmg33BCvY3HBQyeqxmYlZsstbxufkxY-BuQEhHTxoIpvgVfRgePqAFxz_Z1MdIrwmMje19qNSCfVDscmMAjy9wtajn0XWHLQcskvsF5yd1lNxfTKitLgIzUnRK-0UiYA_gTKyE647LAFXiqdYj0pPfMEsJXuhzV2fSEqjFfdY5Auanx6Y.LE1x7X-vPB4w53rVZEJhhAIHJvXToIsvYpr62IB5QKE&dib_tag=se&keywords=hydrogen+water+machine&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1730199552&sr=8-3

[Snoweagle]

I have a good friend (a loyal, longstanding, very well-informed non-member guest) who has recently had a stroke. She's happily back online after quite a long hiatus, but has shared that she "is not 100%" yet.

Does anyone have knowledge or experience about how to fully recover, quickly and strongly, from a stroke?

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There is no short cut to stroke recovery. The brain will do a complete body reset over a period of seven and a half years.

Medical science has no means to facilitate "quick" healing. All they can do is throw "products and gimmicks" as solutions to make money.

My self administered care during my stroke recovery imbued on me by the stroke itself had me eating naturally prepared meals, walking in gardens, woods, being attentive with lifestyle abundance to the natural things. Be active creatively.

The stroke indicates a damaged brain. Coincidentally, body parts may become disfunctional. These will become permanent disabilities.

For me, my review of my experience, was both positive and negative to all aspects of my life. Post stroke, everything is perceived differently.

On phone, may return to this when I have a computer.

Good luck and take care.

[Bill Ryan]

There is no short cut to stroke recovery.I'd very gently suggest that for some people, if they're already in good shape with no other health complications, and diligently and meticulously do all the right things, they might well recover fully quite quickly.

And as everyone reading this will surely recognize, one's own mental and emotional approach to the challenge will also be a major healing factor.

Knowing what all those right things are, and encouragement to hold the entire experience in a positive light, is the driver behind the many wonderful replies on this very helpful thread.

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[Marianne]

So much good information here.

My husband had a hemorrhagic stroke which is a brain bleed and different from the left side/right side strike that can paralyze.

He made a good recovery with some loss of cognition.

I wanted to offer something for recovery of physical strength. He began walking a short distance each day… it helped him overall. He worked up to walking 4 miles a day and is in quite good shape.

Best wishes to our lovely Avalon non-member, for a quick and full return to all life has to offer.

[Mike Gorman]

Walking is such an underrated therapy, one that has enabled me to overcome so many obstacles, physical and mental: because it is so readily there for us, we dismiss it, yes what a wonderful report, walk even if to the letterbox and back to begin with, steadily increase the distance and duration, a few small hills is an added bonus. Best wishes to your friend Bill

[Frankie Pancakes]

This is for treating but may also improve recovery?

https://healthrevolutionsolution.com/pages/dmso-stroke-concussion-protocol

This from a general search of DMSO and stroke

Clinical Implications
While the search results suggest promising mechanisms for DMSO in stroke recovery, further human clinical trials are necessary to confirm its efficacy and safety. However, the available data indicate that DMSO may:

Reduce infarct volume and improve outcomes when administered during the acute phase of stroke
Promote nerve fiber growth and recovery when administered weeks or months after the stroke
Be used as a component of a free radical scavenging formulation to reduce oxidative stress and promote recovery

This might help

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080825132115.htm

Summary:
If a stroke patient doesn't get treatment within three hours, there's not much doctors can do to limit damage. But now researchers report a technique that potentially could restore functions to patients weeks or even months after a stroke. The technique involves jumpstarting the growth of nerve fibers to compensate for brain cells destroyed by the stoke.

Anti-nogo has dramatically improved functions in lab animals that have experienced strokes. And an ongoing clinical trial in Europe and Canada is testing anti-nogo in humans who have suffered spinal cord injuries.

Anti-nogo is among several new approaches under study that potentially could reverse stroke damage, researchers wrote. Nogo-A is a protein that inhibits the growth of nerve fibers called axons. It serves as a check on runaway nerve growth that could cause a patient to be overly sensitive to pain, or experience involuntary movements. (The protein is called nogo because it in effect says to axons: "No go.") In anti nogo immunotherapy, an antibody disables the nogo protein.