Trump or Harris: Who Will Win?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thought it was worth gauging the temperature of the forum on this question. Answer the poll above (choices are private).

There seems to be two primary schools of thought. (1), Trump will win. He has all the momentum, and far more support -- it's a slam dunk at this point. (2), Harris will win, because the Dems are dirty and they'll do what they did in 2020 -- whatever it takes to get her over the line.

When you consider both angles, it's impossible to call. Anything could happen. Either could win. If Harris wins, we could be in for a rough ride. If Trump wins...possibly the same. We have to believe he's made some powerful enemies. Think about the recent assassination attempts. They're getting desperate, and they're not even trying to hide it anymore. If he gets in, I doubt that will change. There's no reason to believe the 'deep state' he talks about is contained only within the United States. They are global. It's going to be bad for them if Trump wins. So what's to stop a hostile faction from mobilising one of its transnational partners, say, North Korea, China, Iran, even Russia, and through them play their final card -- press that big red button? It could get very messy. With World War Three closer than ever, a Trump victory could be what pushes us beyond the point of no return.

That's a bleak view to take, but I can't help but think a Trump victory may not be all roses and sunshine. It's worth considering when weighing the two options. Personally, I would still vote for Trump, and pray that it turns out okay.

[wondering]

Anyone who thinks that Trump being elected will result in calm, optimism and forward movement is very naive, IMO. My personal choice is for Trump, but I think we are going to be in for a rough ride regardless. Nothing can turn this world wide mess around, if indeed it happens, which I believe it will, without it taking a long time. My hope is that we can see enough change to be trusting and hopeful, but so much is unknown to us that it is not going to be easy to do that. I remain hopeful and steadfast regardless and pray that we may be able to see some glimmers at the end of the tunnel.

[Dennis Leahy]

I don't see that anyone has disassembled the Democrat control over vote tabulation, nor stopped the "2000 mules" gambit, and the currently democrat-controlled Judicial system and Democrat operatives within the CIA have a "strong desire" to keep complete control. So, I think Harris will "win."

Whoever controls the computer system controls the election results.

The Zionists win either way, though they may like Trump's "Israel First" and "get the murdering done quickly, Bibi" policy stance a bit more. Zionists are the most powerful group in USA politics, and usually they select the winner, but this time, it doesn't matter so much since either candidate is willing, no, frothing at the mouth, to ethnically cleanse Palestine and wipe Palestinians off the face of the Earth for the Israelis and their Greater Israel imperialist project.

Trump is no threat to globalism - there is only one Global Corporate Network, it already exists, and it is impossible to support just part of it (Trump's metric for making America great is GDP, of course, and that means supporting the Global Corporate Network.) Trump also did everything the Deep State's military command and control (CIA) told him to do, in Syria, Venezuela, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Ukraine, Russia... so the Deep State is not who is keeping Trump out of the White House. The CIA and the Deep State aren't afraid of Trump, he does what he is told to do. It's the Democrat organization. The Democrat Crime Family, and the plutocrats/oligarchs aligned with the Democrat Family and the mass media owned by those same plutocrats/oligarchs. The Democrats care very much who wins, for self-serving reasons. Graft. Gotta retain power to have access to the teat. That's why I believe The Riddler will be handed the keys to the oval office, by the group that currently controls the election computer system, the Democrats.

[JackMcThorn]

I selected 'other' because in this scheme, america does not win. It is not even a question of lessor evils.

I've returned to the u.s. since spending a great deal of time in the Emerald Isle and am just getting up to speed as to what is going on over here.

[Open Minded Dude]

Harris will be 'announced' the winner no matter what by the media and the Deep State powers, etc. So I chose her if I understand the poll correctly.
Trump might well be the real winner (system and popular vote) but it will all be rigged and flipped like 4 years ago.
Wish I could be more optimistic but I am cautious.
At best it will remain "undecided" and a long battle will ensue (legally, politically, or even physically?) and then I don't know what happens.

[mountain_jim]

the reason for or validity of this post unverified by me - but goes along with the idea that the machines and paper will be controlled to reach an already-determined result.


https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1851659567345565963

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End Wokeness
@EndWokeness

ABC accidentally aired election results of Harris winning PA by 5% with 100% in

(post updated)

Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
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1h
WNEP Scranton "mistakenly" showed the Pennsylvania results for the 2024 election.

The ABC News affiliate called it a "test" run.

You'll never guess who they showed winning


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pennsylvania-news-station-apologizes-showing-presidential-election-results

Pennsylvania News Station Apologizes For Showing Presidential Election 'Results'

by Tyler Durden
Wednesday, Oct 30, 2024 - 01:20 PM
Authored by Paul Joseph Watson via Modernity.news,

A news station in Pennsylvania was forced to apologize for flashing up the US presidential election results in the state as part of a “test” that wasn’t supposed to be seen by viewers.

WNEP, an ABC affiliate, flashed up the results for Pennsylvania during its broadcast of the Formula 1 race in Mexico City and they were on screen for several minutes.

You’ll never guess who “won”.

Kamala Harris, of course, beating Trump by 52 per cent to 47 per cent of the vote.

...

“The numbers seen on the screen were randomly generated test results sent out to help news organizations make sure their equipment is working properly in advance of election night.”

“WNEP regrets the error and apologizes for any confusion. We have taken steps to ensure that it does not happen again.”

No votes are actually counted in Pennsylvania until after 8pm on election day.

WNEP is owned by Tegna Inc., the chairman of which is Howard D. Elias, a longtime Democrat donor.

Its President and CEO is Mike Steib, who donated to Joe Biden’s presidential campaign in 2020 and has also donated to several Democrat PACs.

Don’t worry though, it was just a test!

< at link >

[Ernie Nemeth]

The 'Trump Factor', an unpredictable and existential quantity, skews the election entirely in his direction.

Whether he takes power is another question...

[Dick]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0gHuHvKcFp6fwdBG8aRvQZM1UghFhE1ymG9ncok3LKu5h5BoEn2sBMxS8R8JC8xBml&id=100003496090442

Can someone check if this is real?
Don’t know how to place it here so you can see the picture, so feel free to do that.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0gHuHvKcFp6fwdBG8aRvQZM1UghFhE1ymG9ncok3LKu5h5BoEn2sBMxS8R8JC8xBml&id=100003496090442

Can someone check if this is real?
Don’t know how to place it here so you can see the picture, so feel free to do that.

Image below:
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[Satori]

Trump will win. The question is whether Harris, not Trump, is “officially” declared the winner. And if he is, will the criminal-traitorous-enemies within the gates allow Trump’s win to be certified and allow him to be inaugurated?

I’m more interested in we, the people winning. When will that happen? Only when we, the people make it happen. But how? That’s the seemingly unsolvable, and certainly immense, problem we face.

Voting for brand D or brand R will not result in a victory for we, the people.

The world as we knew it, is shrinking in the rear view mirror of our times.

[Mike]

Trump. In a landslide.

How do I know? Because I placed a $ bet on Harris.

I won't bore everyone with stories detailing the almost unfathomable bad luck I've had betting football this year. All I'll say is this: it's been so bad, in almost every way imaginable, that it can't possibly be by mere chance. My friend's Dad, who is 84 years old and lives in Vegas, and has been gambling all his life, and has been around gamblers all his life, recently called me and said, "Mikey, I've never seen anything like it."

These are people who, when they're undecided about a bet, call me and ask me who I like and then do the complete opposite. And it works nearly every time.

So I've decided to make my bad luck work for me. I've placed a bet on Harris to win. This is not a joke btw. I really did. And I have no doubt she'll lose now.

[apokalypse]

i choose Harris for one reason as Alex Jones pointed out about dems have something operation chaos a civil war and more chaos which resonate with me but i find more of TBTB not particular party like alex jones said...country gonna more divided and become full pledge totalitarian system.

Harris with darker and sinister...right now just have to wait and see especially what's their agenda is.

[lunaflare]

In a true democracy (no fraud or illegal tampering of votes), Trump wins.
There is nothing good, nor compelling, about the Democratic candidates nor their campaign.
Hope it was a very modest amount of $ you placed on KH, Mike..

[gini]

No doubt Trump should win with a landslide.
But,beside all the voterfraud stuff that surely will happen,i wonder whats the story of having a military 'drill' at election day?? for that would mean a serious danger for a false flag operation to somehow disqualify the outcome...

[Mike Gorman]

I think it is true that for many, many people Trump is their choice because the alternative is just too awful to consider: the old 'best of two evils' situation, we have a mass awakening on one level, more people have become aware that the political/social/cultural nature of America is NOT as it is depicted by slick left-wing activist media anchors, they know that corporate/legacy media is a long, long way from the objective values of 'The Press' which were promoted in the time of JFK (as an example, I know it has never been truly objective)
Looking on from the great distance I am away from America, being a Brit living in Australia it is clear that Trump is up against an immovable force, the 'Deep State' and the intelligence community has been totally immersed in the weird blend of WEF/Davos and globalist ideology which they absolutely believe is the 'right side'...look I will be writing forever if I get started, this subject is just too vast and detailed to dispense with a few sentences, we shall all be witnessing some unprecedented events and sights over the next weeks, I wish Trump and his team God Speed, despite everything I think the Trump team offers the closest thing to a rational/sane intention, this is the difference: the Dems are just too evil and criminal to contemplate.

[Dick]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0gHuHvKcFp6fwdBG8aRvQZM1UghFhE1ymG9ncok3LKu5h5BoEn2sBMxS8R8JC8xBml&id=100003496090442

Can someone check if this is real?
Don’t know how to place it here so you can see the picture, so feel free to do that.

Image below:
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yes, this was the message, but there was also a picture showing a ballot with the wrong name, it said: Donald Trum.P or something...
picture was in the same post from my link.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

there was also a picture showing a ballot with the wrong name, it said: Donald Trum.P or something...
picture was in the same post from my link.

Yes, my bad, here is the other image:
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[Tintin]

Virtually impossible to disagree with Dennis' take here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123741-Trump-or-Harris-Who-Will-Win&p=1639979&viewfull=1#post1639979). Interesting idea for a poll although really this time around I'm not getting emotionally involved, at all: it'd be unwise. I do care but I'm uncertain whether anything can prevent this from being rigged again, somehow.

Yes, Simplicius again for those of you that may follow what I post you'll know I'm an admirer of his largely objective and sagacious commentary: he writes well, and as an American I value his input here (https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/as-we-stare-down-the-precipice-final). The full article is paywalled so I'll copy what was emailed earlier to non-paying email subscribers: he is mostly positive toward a Trump win, but, is he perhaps a little naive? Am I perhaps a little more cynical? We'll find out soon:

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As We Stare Down the Precipice, Final Ruminations

On the eve of momentous change...what lies ahead of the turning point? Chaos or salvation?
By SIMPLICIUS
OCT 31, 2024

A major shift is happening.

On the eve of what could be the most consequential election in US history—perhaps even global history—the elite class representing their favored stalking racehorse seem to have thrown in their towels and hung up their riding crops.

What we’re seeing is unprecedented. For a couple months leading up to now, it felt like the unusual calm was merely a portent for some grand scheme being formulated in the webby dungeons beneath the DNC citadel. When Trump’s popularity shot up and Kamala’s tanked, the uncharacteristic silence from the other side took on an even stranger tenor.

But being so used to the now-dominant elite class always having their final trump card at the ready, we ignored the telltale signs of their demise. In reality, it appears they have finally run out of options. They have tried every malicious subterfuge and cheap gimmick, up to and including eliminating their opponent via kinetic means—twice—and they have failed, as polls and common sentiment now point to a catastrophic loss for Kamala in a few days’ time.

Something finally broke.

Some major tensioner undergirding the entire neoliberal military-media-industrial-complex Leviathan as fusion of state and corporate power, otherwise known as the ‘Blob’, has come loose, and now threatens to send events spiraling.

The canary choked on the thickening fumes this week as the Washington Post dropped the bombshell that DC’s top paper of record would not be endorsing a presidential candidate for the first time in almost 40 years—since Bush-Dukakis. LA Times and USA Today followed suit—a presentiment of the disastrously choreographed and stenciled candidacy of nonentity, empty-vessel Kamala.


USA Today has refused to endorse any candidate in the US presidential election, Fox News reports.

The LA Times and The Washington Post made a similar decision a few days ago. According to NPR, the WP lost more than 200,000 subscribers due to its refusal to support Harris.

In an unprecedented address, WaPo’s owner Jeff Bezos wrote a brief OpEd explaining the decision:

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It starts off with the statistic naming this year as when America’s trust in journalists had finally sunk even below that of Congressmen:


In the annual public surveys about trust and reputation, journalists and the media have regularly fallen near the very bottom, often just above Congress. But in this year’s Gallup poll, we have managed to fall below Congress. Our profession is now the least trusted of all. Something we are doing is clearly not working.

He affects atonement, hoping to right course in order to win back America’s trust. Unfortunately, he flubs right off the starting block:


Likewise with newspapers. We must be accurate, and we must be believed to be accurate. It’s a bitter pill to swallow, but we are failing on the second requirement.

Read that carefully a second time. He’s saying, “We are accurate…but people don’t believe we are accurate.” That means he’s calling the American people liars to their faces. He’s saying the people are wrong for misinterpreting his publication’s putative commitment to truth. But in a quest for reconciliation, he’s already starting off on a bad foot by shifting all the blame onto readers and not himself. In reality, the self-evident reason the people don’t believe in the accuracy of his publication is because they are not stupid: they have seen lie after prima facie lie being printed with no regard for accountability, time and again.

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***

I do wish all our American friends the very best of luck, genuinely and sincerely, and most certainly do not envy you at all here :flower:

There is an amusing axiom which may apply here in terms of costs:



"In God we trust: everyone else pays cash."

Or whatever the soul can afford. What price the soul of America? :flower:

[Tintin]

I think it is true that for many, many people Trump is their choice because the alternative is just too awful to consider: the old 'best of two evils' situation, we have a mass awakening on one level, more people have become aware that the political/social/cultural nature of America is NOT as it is depicted by slick left-wing activist media anchors, they know that corporate/legacy media is a long, long way from the objective values of 'The Press' which were promoted in the time of JFK (as an example, I know it has never been truly objective)
Looking on from the great distance I am away from America, being a Brit living in Australia it is clear that Trump is up against an immovable force, the 'Deep State' and the intelligence community has been totally immersed in the weird blend of WEF/Davos and globalist ideology which they absolutely believe is the 'right side'...look I will be writing forever if I get started, this subject is just too vast and detailed to dispense with a few sentences, we shall all be witnessing some unprecedented events and sights over the next weeks, I wish Trump and his team God Speed, despite everything I think the Trump team offers the closest thing to a rational/sane intention, this is the difference: the Dems are just too evil and criminal to contemplate.

All of this you've posted here, 100%, again (the second time this week I think I've shared that with you) :handshake:

[mountain_jim]

copying here

( opting in poll Trump will 'win' , but the unrest to follow and whether he is allowed to survive and assume the office remains to be seen - I choose to be an optimist at heart in spite of all evidence to the contrary, and look forward to a significant takedown of the corrupt media, FBI, Justice Department, DHS, and pharma-fascist FDA, CDC, etc.

Whether or how the war criminals in the US and Israel get what they deserve seems a longer-term problem, first requiring major red-pills of disclosure to achieve results concerning their involvement in 9/11, JFK, The Liberty attack, Epstein Mossad blackmail of US politicians, etc.)

I realize how much support Trump is getting from Israel supporters to win this, but I also suspect he knows of Mossad 9/11 involvement so who knows how much Overton Window movement he or his white-hat supporters can accomplish.

Also, if the election is going to be cancelled, only a few days left for this move to occur - stay frosty and alert folks!


My hope is that it does not play out like this, but I know the 'left' has been able to marshal riots and destruction across the US fairly easily before...


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/left-preparing-war-if-trump-wins

Is The Left Preparing For War If Trump Wins?

by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Oct 31, 2024 - 08:10 AM
Authored by Lee Smith via RealClearPolitics, (https://realclearwire.com/articles/2024/10/29/is_the_left_preparing_for_war_if_trump_wins_1068515.html)

The propaganda campaign labeling Donald Trump as an aspiring dictator determined to use the military and national security apparatus against his political opponents is designed not to affect the upcoming election but rather to shape the post-election environment. It is the central piece of a narrative that, by characterizing Trump as a tyrant (indeed likening him to Hitler), establishes the conditions for violence — not just another attempt on Trump’s life, but political violence on a massive scale intended to destabilize the country.

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As I write in my forthcoming book Disappearing the President (https://www.amazon.com/Disappearing-President-Trump-Social-Republic/dp/1641774576/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=), Democratic Party research and media reports show that many senior party officials and operatives are preparing for the possibility of a Trump victory. Accordingly, planning is focused on undermining the incoming president with enough violence to rock his administration. Prominent post-election scenarios forecast such widespread rioting that the newly elected president would be compelled to invoke the Insurrection Act. With some senior military officials refusing to follow Trump’s orders, according to the scenarios, the U.S. Armed Forces would split, leaving America on the edge of the abyss.

By vilifying Trump as a despotic madman who must be stopped before he can commence his reign of terror, the regime’s propaganda apparatus not only slanders Trump but also pre-emptively threatens the reputation, as well as the livelihood and perhaps the liberty, of current military personnel. The point is to push the military against Trump: When the time comes to act, will you stand for democracy or side with a tyrant who sees the military only as an instrument to advance his personal interests?

For instance, last week the Atlantic’s editor-in-chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, quoted former Trump administration officials claiming that the Republican candidate is contemptuous of America’s armed forces and, according to Trump’s former chief of staff, John Kelly, wishes he could command the same respect that Hitler commanded from his general officers.

This is not the first time that Trump has been compared to Hitler or that Kelly, a retired Marine general, turned on his former commander-in-chief. Kelly was the key source for a story published before the 2020 election, also in the Atlantic and also by Jeffrey Goldberg, that alleged Trump had called American WWII soldiers buried in French cemeteries “suckers and losers.”

The veracity of Kelly’s latest revelation that Trump admires Hitler must of course be judged against the fact that he waited five years to disclose it, even if it is unlikely to have much effect on the current election cycle. The military, and veterans of the Global War on Terror in particular, overwhelmingly support the candidate opposed to waging endless and strategically pointless foreign wars. Moreover, Trump has weathered far more damaging fabrications — like the false allegations that he had been compromised by Russian intelligence — that only galvanized support for him.

The purpose of the Hitler narrative is not to alter the electoral preferences of left-wing media audiences already solidly in the anti-Trump column, but rather to justify taking extreme measures against the Republican candidate and the America First movement and ensure that the bulk of the military sides with the anti-Trump plot. Thus, it is best understood in the context of recent accounts promising, or urging, violence after the November vote.

For example, last week the New York Times published a long interview with a scholar of fascism who declared that Trump is a fascist. The paper of record followed up with another long article by two Harvard professors calling for mass mobilization in the event of a Trump victory. The proposal suggests that private industry join civil society organizations to ostracize Trump and his supporters and engage in large public protests to provoke a crisis. Kamala Harris herself, commenting on Kelly’s allegations in the Atlantic story, claimed that her opponent “is a fascist” during a CNN town hall.

These stories are only the latest in an ongoing series of media reports warning of a Trump dictatorship. Beltway insider Robert Kagan was out of the gate early, writing even before Trump wrapped up the nomination that, without mounting resistance against the Republican candidate, America is “a few short steps, and a matter of months, away from the possibility of dictatorship.” A January story from NBC claimed that Trump was exploring ways to use the military to assassinate political rivals.

The propaganda meant to establish a predicate to employ violence to stop Trump has been reinforced at the highest levels of the Democratic Party.

When Joe Biden was asked by a reporter if he was confident that there would be a peaceful transfer of power after the 2024 election, he answered, “If Trump wins, no I’m not confident at all.” Then, seemingly correcting himself, the president said, “I mean if Trump loses, I’m not confident at all. He means what he says, we don’t take him seriously. He means it, all the stuff about, ‘If we lose there will be a bloodbath.’”

Biden was referring to a comment Trump made in March about Chinese efforts to build auto manufacturing plants in Mexico. The export of those cars to America, Trump said, would result in a “bloodbath” for the U.S. auto industry. Naturally, the Biden campaign used the figure of speech to accuse Trump of inciting “political violence.”

Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) advertised a more specific scenario leading to violence when he promised that Congress will remove Trump by invoking Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which prohibits anyone “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” from holding federal office. “It’s going to be up to us on January 6, 2025, to tell the rampaging Trump mobs that he’s disqualified,” Raskin has said. “And then we need bodyguards for everybody in civil war conditions.”

But the most significant post-election scenarios were drafted by Rosa Brooks, a former Obama Pentagon official whose 2020 wargaming with the Transition Integrity Project (TIP) has been credited by the left-wing press for its “accuracy.”

Ahead of the last election, Brooks and TIP, according to the Guardian, “imagined the then far-fetched idea that Trump might refuse to concede defeat, and, by claiming widespread fraud in mail-in ballots, unleash dark forces culminating in violence. Every implausible detail of the simulations came to pass in the lead-up to the U.S. Capitol attack on 6 January 2021.”

That’s a fanciful way of obscuring the truth. TIP anticipated that Trump would contest the results because party operatives knew beforehand that election irregularities resulting from new voting procedures, like mass mail-in voting, designed to facilitate fraud would be glaringly obvious. Thus, because of Brooks’s past performance and her central role in a network comprising the media and current and former defense officials, her work is widely acknowledged as the Left’s roadmap for post-election contingency planning.

For the 2024 election, Brooks teamed up with journalist Barton Gellman to run a series of wargames in May and June under the auspices of the Democracy Futures Project (DFP), part of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.

As with the 2020 wargames, the two opposing teams were staffed by former government officials from the Republican as well as the Democrat establishment. The results were announced with a mid-summer media rollout to ready other officials and operatives for likely post-election operations. Four articles were published the same day, July 30 — in the New Republic; the Guardian; the Washington Post, which ran a piece by Gellman; and Brooks herself writing for the Bulwark — showing that Brooks and Gellman’s scenarios, at least those disclosed, assume a Trump victory. The play then is to block.

Disruption, destabilization, and violence are legitimized by a narrative driven by self-congratulatory mirror-imaging and projection in which the so-called defenders of democracy face down an authoritarian Trump.

Brooks and her cohort ignore the evidence of Biden and Harris’s abuse of power and assert that it is Trump who will who use the federal government against his opponents. It is Trump’s CIA and DOJ, according to the wargamers, that will cashier national security officials for “raising concerns about the politicization of intelligence and the pressure to launch ideologically motivated investigations.” It is Trump who will use the IRS to go after nonprofits. It is at Trump’s behest that journalists will be targeted and Democrat-aligned media outlets investigated as the FCC revokes broadcast licenses. And, writes Brooks, the Trump administration will force out top military officials on account of their “objecting to Trump’s cozy relationship with Russia.”

The forecasts read like paranoid fantasy, but they’re carefully scripted inversions of reality meant to to rewrite history and obscure the crimes of the Left that have shaken the pillars of the republic.

The most alarming scenario involves political and military officials “resisting efforts to federalize their national guard units and send them to quell anti-Trump protests in major U.S. cities.” That is, the post-election playbook calls for (or takes for granted) widespread violence so intense that the president invokes the Insurrection Act. The forecast posits a split in the senior ranks of the U.S. military after Trump replaces the chiefs of staff with officers who comply with his order and deploy forces to put down the riots.

This is where the political violence cultivated by the destructive Left is leading: blood-soaked streets and a divided military. The purpose of the Hitler narrative is to force members of the military to turn against Trump. After all, loyalty to the constitution means fighting Hitler, not obeying his orders.

With the two recent attempts on Trump’s life, we’ve seen how the regime’s narratives simultaneously create the conditions for violence and explain it away. When Trump was shot at a rally in Butler, PA, Democratic Party officials and the media not only denied any connection between the shooting and their inflammatory rhetoric but even blamed Trump himself. After all, he and his aspiring assassin were cut from the same cloth: “The gunman and Trump, at their opposite ends of a bullet’s trajectory, are nonetheless joined together as common enemies of law and democracy,” wrote David Frum in, of all places, the Atlantic.

On this view, Trump has polarized the country so profoundly that he is ultimately responsible for the attempt on his own life. But that is another inversion of reality, tailored to suit the bloodlust of a dark regime. It is the logic of terror: It is only the violence of our victims that drove us to slaughter them.

This self-serving logic not only gets the Left off the hook for past depredations; it serves as the pretext for future violence against Trump, his aides, and his supporters. After November 5, this weaponized narrative could be expanded to justify violence on a mass scale designed to break the republic.

Lee Smith is a bestselling author whose new book, "Disappearing the President: Trump, Truth Social, and the Fight for the Republic, (https://www.encounterbooks.com/books/disappearing-the-president/)" was published October 22. This article was first published at TomKlingenstein.com.

[Mike Gorman]

Thank you for your kind words TinTin, I am simply calling it as I see it, these are strange times (more than 'interesting' as in the Chinese curse) many of us have sympatico thoughts I think!

[grapevine]

Although wishful thinking, I'm calling it for Trump although very aware that, like the 2016 Brexit Referendum in the UK, whether he wins or loses "there may be trouble ahead". What really alarms me, however, is voters' reasoning; given the current living conditions of the working class in America, worsening daily, how could the Democrats possibly be voted in again, illegals or no? Insanity would prevail, But then I thought that about the recent UK election, and look how that turned out . . . If the Democrats DO get in again, I think that's the end for all of us, and by that I mean serious recession and hardship with the rise of BRICS. Putin will show us no mercy, and why should he?

So call me an optimist but I'm hoping for a Trump win because of the (positive) knock-on effect on the UK govt, the EU and hopefully dwindling influence from the damned WEF, WHO, NATO etc. I can but hope.

COME ON MR TRUMP - GIVE IT SOME WELLIE !! :highfive:

[thepainterdoug]

im keeping it simple. ill take a repeat of the 4 years Trump was in office across the board.Trump is nothing like the person the press presents him as which is a good deal of why some women hate him. Bill Clinton gave more reason for women to hate him, yet its Trump they hate. Its alll about the MSM
The bought and paid for MSM mockingbird media can shape any story or image anyway it wants and the average person who eats it up is no different than the person who eats fast food and soda. Its fun and easy easy to buy that Trump stinks , hes rich and handsome. However, Trump also is a showman and has fed into alot of it himself as well.

My friend and i have seen him often at his Bed minister golf course. Everyone loves him, he cares for everyone and he spent extra time with me on my 70 bday congratulating me wishing me well.
But besides all that, I personally feel you must be insane to believe that Harris, as part of the corrupt dems dog and pony show, is fit for the Presidency of the USA. Harris voters in my mind are simply Trump haters or special interest voters.

[SilentFeathers]

When an election is mainly based on lies, propaganda, fraud, hurt feelings, and petty emotions, etc., surviving on bread and water alone (if you can afford bread) or even the threat of war, enemy invasion, and nuclear annihilation becomes quite irrelevant for many.

I think Trump will win but the win will be taken away from him either through fraudulent recounts or ridiculous lawsuits. Either way I predict that Trump will not be certified and Kamala will be installed as President in January.

This will stir up the masses and possibly cause the violent response or civil war that they are seeking.

[thepainterdoug]

Silent Feathers/ quite possiblly the outcome. Rather chilling. What does a civil war look like? who wears the uniform of a left or right? i dont see how anyone will discern anyone or anything.
It has to be stopped, unless the agenda is as the Georgia guide stones wanted. I just cant wrap my head around all and so I will stay with a simpler conclusion. Trump will win and after much political chaos, will be President, unless of course, he already is? 45-47

[Bassplayer1]

I think that whichever one is keen and compliant with supporting Israel will be the one installed.

Trump has made all sorts of statements of support for Israel - not to mention Robert Kennedy Jr's gung-ho attitude.

No doubt Kamala will do as she's told too but I think she is ever so slightly less enthusiastic compared to Trump (and this is not me being favorable to her).

He may well 'win.'

The Democrats make me feel ill but Trump has also sickened me with his Pro Israel attitude.

I'm worried for Lebanon and Iran too.

[Mark]

I think Trump will win. He has made massive inroads with black and Hispanic men who may feel in some ways that their primary interest may be served by the dems but who are totally disenchanted with the corruption of the dem party machinery as well as what is left of the civil rights movement. The influx of the undocumented into urban areas and the economic support they receive while white, black and brown Americans continue to flounder is an in-your-face FU. While this influx serves the purpose in the USA and Europe of adding working age populations in countries where the demographic transition has le to indigenous populations growing smaller, resulting in a smaller tax base and nobody to do the jobs required to keep society running, the great replacement theory has some grounding in demographic fact and has been predicted for at least 50 years.

We just happen to be “lucky” enough to live in the times when it is happening. The nativist vs globalist politics are par the course and a necessary part of the shift. And this is all just the politics of it. The deeper energetic shift is remorseless and the world will continue to shift in every way. Even faster, now. And more catastrophically.

[mizo]

Looking from afar it's absurd that a huge country with a population close to 345 million that these two are the best nominees that they can come up with...

Voting for 'em only encourages the :censored:

If I had to vote for one of them ( perpetuating a broken system) it would be Trump as he 'feels' lesser of the two evils and occasionally makes me laugh - though Operation Warp Speed :facemask: is still unforgivable.

[Mari]

I think trump will win. Anyone who's survived a relentless media onslaught from 2016 to today and dodged 2 assassination attempts (that we know of) the 1st one by a hair's breath- is surely 'protected' in some way and destined for greater things? I'd like to think that something has his back in this.

[ExomatrixTV]

2024 US Election Voting Anomalies (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123744-2024-US-Election-Voting-Anomalies)

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[mountain_jim]

feels to me like this also belongs here :)

https://x.com/clif_high/status/1852424199425646698

1852424199425646698

How's everyone doing? Feelin' it? That's the unreleased building emotional tension. The normies in my area are wound up so tight that they can't even fart. It just comes out as a high pitched whistle.

All the dogs in the area are really confused.

— clif is antiselenite (@clif_high) November 1, 2024

[Abondance]

I hate to say it, but there will be no winner here. The old world is going away and falling apart. The US is at the end of the road, as is Europe.
I would like to say that on November 6, it will be "Breakfast in America" with Super Trump, and that with RFK it will be a new beginning and a great cleaning of the putrid marsh.
But quite frankly, I don’t think it will be possible under one indivisible starry banner. There will be secessions.

No one can force people who hate each other so much to live together, even if they are brothers.

The European Union will also become fragmented, as will NATO. They are evil and unhappy unions that must stop for the good of the peoples.
If humans are to unite, it will be on other bases, which I hope are more spiritual and maybe in realizing that "heyyy, they're a lot of people in this universe!"

We don't put new wine in old wineskins.

We may be nostalgic for the good old days, but they will not return and perhaps in the end, they were dust in front of the immensity that awaits us.

The world is pierced
The Universe can enter...

[Kryztian]

For whatever it is worth, here is the latest map from electoral-vote.com.

https://i.imgur.com/wRACTeK.jpeg

The maps is updated daily and reflects only the most recent poll in each state. Up until about a week ago, it showed Kamala consistently leading since about the time of the Democratic convention. especially when Pennsylvannia flipped to "red" ( the latest poll in PA has Trump at 49% and Kamala at 48%, not much of a margin.) The states that tend to flip back between barely red and barely blue: Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Georgia. Pennsylvannia was consistently light blue but that just changed. Somehow I suspect that Michigan might end up a red state even though polls have consistently give Kamala a thin majority.

In 2020, the night before the election it showed Biden winning in a landslide, 368 to 170 electoral votes. The final result however, was 306 to 232 votes. There were a lot of Trump votes that were not reflected in the earlier polls. If that is the case this year as well, than Trump should do much better than the above map shows and win in a landslide.

[apokalypse]

I have been thinking about RFK jr...why trump? Trump put rjf in his administration and the factor is He against pharma and slot of things...tbtb won't let that happen if it's true..sound too good to be true.

[mountain_jim]

I have been thinking about RFK jr...why trump? Trump put rjf in his administration and the factor is He against pharma and slot of things...tbtb won't let that happen if it's true..sound too good to be true.

https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1852556584217436518


The Vigilant Fox 🦊

@VigilantFox
Beautiful moment from RFK Jr.

“I started working on this issue [chronic disease] 19 years ago. And for 19 years... I have said a prayer to God to put me in a position where I could end the chronic disease epidemic. And on August 23rd of this year, God sent me Donald J. Trump.

“Donald Trump said to me in Milwaukee—we met for two and a half hours—and he said, ‘I want you to join my campaign and unify our efforts. I’m going to end the foreign wars, the addiction to war, and the $200 billion that we sent to Ukraine; we’re going to spend it here in the United States.’

“He told me, ‘We’re going to end the censorship, we’re going to end the surveillance, we’re going to end the weaponization of our enforcement agencies against the American people.’ He knew that my uncle, Ted Kennedy, wrote Title IX to make sure that women’s sports are protected in schools.

“And he said, ‘We’re going to end the efforts of the Democratic Party, the war they’re making on women’s sports in schools.’ He said, ‘We’re going to end the chronic disease epidemic, and we are going to make America healthy again.’”

[Arcturian108]

For whatever it is worth, here is the latest map from electoral-vote.com.

https://i.imgur.com/wRACTeK.jpeg

The maps is updated daily and reflects only the most recent poll in each state. Up until about a week ago, it showed Kamala consistently leading since about the time of the Democratic convention. especially when Pennsylvannia flipped to "red" ( the latest poll in PA has Trump at 49% and Kamala at 48%, not much of a margin.) The states that tend to flip back between barely red and barely blue: Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Georgia. Pennsylvannia was consistently light blue but that just changed. Somehow I suspect that Michigan might end up a red state even though polls have consistently give Kamala a thin majority.

In 2020, the night before the election it showed Biden winning in a landslide, 368 to 170 electoral votes. The final result however, was 306 to 232 votes. There were a lot of Trump votes that were not reflected in the earlier polls. If that is the case this year as well, than Trump should do much better than the above map shows and win in a landslide.

I went to the electoral-vote.com website and studied their maps just now. Then I took a reader survey for that site, and noticed a considerable Democrat bias in their questions. So I don't trust their collective poll choices at this point.

[Kryztian]

For whatever it is worth, here is the latest map from electoral-vote.com.

https://i.imgur.com/wRACTeK.jpeg



I went to the electoral-vote.com website and studied their maps just now. Then I took a reader survey for that site, and noticed a considerable Democrat bias in their questions. So I don't trust their collective poll choices at this point.

I have been following this site I think since 2008. The person who turned me on to it was Republican and I was a Democrat at that time. We both agreed that the site seemed informative and did not reflect any bias. At that time, I believe that it was basically one person managing this site and he lived in the Netherlands. I have no idea if that is still the same situation or not.

However, a few months ago, I looked at this site and read some of the web authors notes, and there definitely seemed to be an anti-Trump bias (not the same as anti-Republican bias.) I usually don't read the notes, commentary and news so I don't have more thoughts that. Nevertheless, I think these maps involve collecting data and crunching numbers and turning it into this map, and I think they do a reliable accurate job. One might questions their methodology, since the color of the state only reflect the one most recent poll, instead of take several of the most recent polls and averaging the numbers together. The method they use causes the states colors to change back and forth between red and blue more frequently.

I took the poll and did not see any problem or left/right bias with the questions. The only question that bothered me was the one that asked who I want to win the election - they only offered two options, however, there are more that two people running for President.

[Ewan]

I’m going to end the foreign wars, the addiction to war, and the $200 billion that we sent to Ukraine; (we’re going to spend it here in the United States).’

‘We’re going to end the censorship, we’re going to end the surveillance, we’re going to end the weaponization of our enforcement agencies against the American people.’
‘We’re going to end the efforts of the Democratic Party, the war they’re making on women’s sports in schools.
‘We’re going to end the chronic disease epidemic, and we are going to make America healthy again.



History might suggest he is a dead man walking.

If he truly intends all that may he get all the protection he needs.

[Bill Ryan]

I’m going to end the foreign wars, the addiction to war, and the $200 billion that we sent to Ukraine; (we’re going to spend it here in the United States).’

‘We’re going to end the censorship, we’re going to end the surveillance, we’re going to end the weaponization of our enforcement agencies against the American people.’
‘We’re going to end the efforts of the Democratic Party, the war they’re making on women’s sports in schools.
‘We’re going to end the chronic disease epidemic, and we are going to make America healthy again.



History might suggest he is a dead man walking.

If he truly intends all that may he get all the protection he needs.And to add to that list, the sealing of the wide open border and the deportation of all genuine illegals.

What feels very encouraging is that even if Trump were to somehow disappear from the presidency once elected, Vance, Tulsi, RFK Jr, Vivek and quite a few others would be 100% committed to carry through on all these crucially important election pledges.

[SilentFeathers]

I’m going to end the foreign wars, the addiction to war, and the $200 billion that we sent to Ukraine; (we’re going to spend it here in the United States).’

‘We’re going to end the censorship, we’re going to end the surveillance, we’re going to end the weaponization of our enforcement agencies against the American people.’
‘We’re going to end the efforts of the Democratic Party, the war they’re making on women’s sports in schools.
‘We’re going to end the chronic disease epidemic, and we are going to make America healthy again.



History might suggest he is a dead man walking.

If he truly intends all that may he get all the protection he needs.And to add to that list, the sealing of the wide open border and the deportation of all genuine illegals.

What feels very encouraging is that even if Trump were to somehow disappear from the presidency once elected, Vance, Tulsi, RFK Jr, Vivek and quite a few others would be 100% committed to carry through on all these crucially important election pledges.

This is another reason I think there's no way they are going to allow him to take office. The democrats are already talking about not certifying the election if he wins. These demonic psychopaths are hell bent on stopping him from taking office.

It's going to be quite interesting to see how all this plays out no matter what happens. I see huge problems either way.

[Karl]

Biff will win. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121667-Movie-Contact-Hidden-Gem&p=1580223&viewfull=1#post1580223) (4339)

But there will be much suffering in 'Hill Valley'.

[Lunesoleil]

If you want a different sound , In France, the articles to say that fraud in America is manufactured by conspiracy theorists, go outside, don't watch TV anymore and put down your smartphone, you will have everything to gain.
It can be scary to know that fraud is everywhere on the planet at election time. I was told in comments that Trump is a Trickster (https://hecatedemeter.wordpress.com/2016/05/12/trump-puer-trickster-shadow/) and I'll let you guess the rest. So much so that minds are now manipulated by the media. As long as I haven't met a person physically, how can you judge them without knowing them in reality and not behind a computer screen???
In addition: The Maricans have always been big children who stopped at the Lucky-Luke stadium.... Among their writers they have almost no wise men like Socrates or Plato.
It's the big show in America, does it deserve applause?
Really it's not funny, let's hope that there won't be a repetition if we believe Hexagram 29 which comes, The Unfathomable, double trigram on water and these consequences for those who don't know how to behave...


Donald Trump and Kamala Harris (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123752--ast--Donald-Trump-and-Kamala-Harris)

[jaybee]

.
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I just don't know who to vote for in the poll... I think Trump will get the most votes and be the real winner...but Harris will have masses of illegal votes + be declared the actual winner.... :/

Now Trump has RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk and others working with him.... but especially Bobby Kennedy who has said all the things he will do regarding MAHA.... those who will do anything to stop Trump, will be more determined than ever to stop him...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I had one of 'those' (short but intense) conversations earlier today...in a communal setting having tea and biscuits with acquaintances....when they stared talking about the US election and tut tutting about Trump - the general theme was that we had the US election coming up but it should be ok if Kamala Harris gets in....we should be ok if that happens....

I thought to myself.... oh gawd here we go...I'll have to say something when I can... when I had the opening I said that I wanted Trump to win and was 100% behind him to be President...
Then came the (expected by me) shock ... when those who totally believe what the MSM says and totally fall for the PSYOP have their brains momentarily fried with the suspicion that ...oh my god we're sitting and having tea and biscuits with a Nazi Supporter.... :).... it's not a nice feeling at all... but that's how successful and thorough the PSYOP is and I'm talking about a town in the Midlands in England... not even in America -

One of them sat back, looked a bit defiant and demanded to know WHY I supported him... I knew I only had a few seconds to make a short, semi decent reply ... before the whole thing ran away from me into MSM/PSYOP talking points... .... I managed to say.... 'because he's a good man, a man of God and more into World Peace than the others'..... things went a bit haywire after this but we all kept our cool on the surface but under the surface all sorts of emotions were bubbling... it only went on for about 5 - 10 minutes but it was exhausting -

[Satori]

.
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I just don't know who to vote for in the poll... I think Trump will get the most votes and be the real winner...but Harris will have masses of illegal votes + be declared the actual winner.... :/

Now Trump has RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk and others working with him.... but especially Bobby Kennedy who has said all the things he will do regarding MAHA.... those who will do anything to stop Trump, will be more determined than ever to stop him...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I had one of 'those' (short but intense) conversations earlier today...in a communal setting having tea and biscuits with acquaintances....when they stared talking about the US election and tut tutting about Trump - the general theme was that we had the US election coming up but it should be ok if Kamala Harris gets in....we should be ok if that happens....

I thought to myself.... oh gawd here we go...I'll have to say something when I can... when I had the opening I said that I wanted Trump to win and was 100% behind him to be President...
Then came the (expected by me) shock ... when those who totally believe what the MSM says and totally fall for the PSYOP have their brains momentarily fried with the suspicion that ...oh my god we're sitting and having tea and biscuits with a Nazi Supporter.... :).... it's not a nice feeling at all... but that's how successful and thorough the PSYOP is and I'm talking about a town in the Midlands in England... not even in America -

One of them sat back, looked a bit defiant and demanded to know WHY I supported him... I knew I only had a few seconds to make a short, semi decent reply ... before the whole thing ran away from me into MSM/PSYOP talking points... .... I managed to say.... 'because he's a good man, a man of God and more into World Peace than the others'..... things went a bit haywire after this but we all kept our cool on the surface but under the surface all sorts of emotions were bubbling... it only went on for about 5 - 10 minutes but it was exhausting -

Thank you for your post.

You’ve summed up the dichotomy very well and hit the main drivers for Harris. Media complicity and manipulation through propaganda. As well as deep-rooted and effective corruption in the election process, not the least of which is vote count manipulation.

The fact that ostensibly sensible people would support Harris speaks volumes about how ignorant, stupid and/or maybe simply pathetically apathetic and complacent they are regarding not only the well being of others, and the communities, but their very well being.

I’m not at all suggesting Trump is a saint, but rather that Harris and her handlers are evil. We have no choice given the choices we face.

At this point they’ve decided they will burn it all down to save their sorry asses from detection, prosecution and punishment, before they let Trump return to what was stolen from we, the people—Trump in the Whitehouse. If and when he returns, the gig is up for many of them. And they know it.

Also, let us not forget that Harris is constitutionally and legally disqualified from even being where she is, ie, running for POTUS. Not a single person voted for her in the democrat primary. Among other crimes the election laws were violated, before a single vote was cast in the general election, to oust Biden and enthrone Harris. Talk about blatant undeniable election interference.

Trump will win. But, distressingly, there is a reasonable probability that they will claim victory for Harris. It will be a lie.

There is also a reasonable probability that they don’t give a ****. That they’ve decided to burn it all down. By “they”, I mean the powers that be. You fill in the blanks about who “they” are.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Jaybee, you're a braver man than I -- or maybe you're just where I was in 2016/2020, when I was confronted with the same dilemma with my ignorant family and friends. I remember one particularly...not heated, but moderately tepid...back and forth with my dear late brother [God rest him], on the case of Donald Trump versus Hilary Rodham Clinton. 'If Hilary wins,' I said to him, 'we're all in a heap of trouble'. To that, he cocked his head, leaned forward in his armchair, and countered: 'Why?'

It brought to mind this now famous meme.

53991

I remember that moment distinctly, and the corner I'd painted myself into.

(Fools rush in where angels fear to tread!)

I had seconds to make my case, and make it a good one. Unfortunately, I failed to make any case at all. Whatever blessings God saw fit to bestow upon me, oration isn't one of them. I ended up pretty much grinding my gears. There simply wasn't anything concrete I could call to mind beyond what my brother would call 'wild and wacky conspiracy theories'.

Many on this board will have heard of Hilary's dark dealings, in and out of government; her ties to the deep state, the Clinton Foundation, and all sorts of other nastiness. But without any facts or figures to hand, I knew I'd be wasting my time. Even Bengazi was too hot to handle in this conversation. My brother was just too 'suburban', too Daily Telegraph, to entertain the idea that establishment politicians - those like Clinton - aren't merely corrupt, but actually evil. Same for MPs on our side of the pond.

It's mystifying when I look back on it. My brother was one of the best, if not the best, man I ever knew, and the smartest. He graduated from LSE for God's sake (London School of Economics), his IQ was sky high, and his knowledge, especially of world events, was encyclopaedic. Yet when it came to 'fringe' ideas and theories he didn't have a single clue.

I've since learned that whenever the conversation turns to politics -- with almost anyone at all -- I'm better off keeping my mouth shut.

For a couple of interesting threads on this phenomenon, see here:

Why you can't convince your friends of the truth - and what to do about it (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115352-Why-you-can-t-convince-your-friends-of-the-truth-and-what-to-do-about-it)
Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114787-Why-humans-are-unintelligent-it-s-all-about-belief)

[Satori]

Why do we, you, me and others, feel the compulsion or need to shut our mouths while those expressing their opinions can open theirs?

Speaking for myself, I clam up when I believe what I have to say will fall on deaf ears and would be fruitless. But if I sense even one person has an interest, I venture on.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Why do we, you, me and others, feel the compulsion or need to shut our mouths while those expressing their opinions can open theirs?

Because they're not really speaking opinions. Opinions, in my view, are those that have been independently formed -- from study, analysis, reflection. In the political conversations I was describing, I'm rarely ever confronted with opinions. What I am most usually met with is a recording (sometimes word for word) of what they heard or saw on the news, or read in the paper. Debating that is a waste of breath and spit.


But if I sense even one person has an interest, I venture on.

This. :thumbsup:

[Mike]

Jaybee, you're a braver man than I -- or maybe you're just where I was in 2016/2020, when I was confronted with the same dilemma with my ignorant family and friends. I remember one particularly...not heated, but moderately tepid...back and forth with my dear late brother [God rest him], on the case of Donald Trump versus Hilary Rodham Clinton. 'If Hilary wins,' I said to him, 'we're all in a heap of trouble'. To that, he cocked his head, leaned forward in his armchair, and countered: 'Why?'

It brought to mind this now famous meme.

53991

I remember that moment distinctly, and the corner I'd painted myself into.

(Fools rush in where angels fear to tread!)

I had seconds to make my case, and make it a good one. Unfortunately, I failed to make any case at all. Whatever blessings God saw fit to bestow upon me, oration isn't one of them. I ended up pretty much grinding my gears. There simply wasn't anything concrete I could call to mind beyond what my brother would call 'wild and wacky conspiracy theories'.

Many on this board will have heard of Hilary's dark dealings, in and out of government; her ties to the deep state, the Clinton Foundation, and all sorts of other nastiness. But without any facts or figures to hand, I knew I'd be wasting my time. Even Bengazi was too hot to handle in this conversation. My brother was just too 'suburban', too Daily Telegraph, to entertain the idea that establishment politicians - those like Clinton - aren't merely corrupt, but actually evil. Same for MPs on our side of the pond.

It's mystifying when I look back on it. My brother was one of the best, if not the best, man I ever knew, and the smartest. He graduated from LSE for God's sake (London School of Economics), his IQ was sky high, and his knowledge, especially of world events, was encyclopaedic. Yet when it came to 'fringe' ideas and theories he didn't have a single clue.

I've since learned that whenever the conversation turns to politics -- with almost anyone at all -- I'm better off keeping my mouth shut.

For a couple of interesting threads on this phenomenon, see here:

Why you can't convince your friends of the truth - and what to do about it (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115352-Why-you-can-t-convince-your-friends-of-the-truth-and-what-to-do-about-it)
Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114787-Why-humans-are-unintelligent-it-s-all-about-belief)




I've been in a similar situation, only with my older sister, who is also - like your late brother - very smart but almost pathologically resistant to anything outside the MSM. This particular conversation took place shortly before the 2020 election.

When confronted with such a situation, I find myself caught between several worlds, and it makes "winning" the debate a tricky endeavor. Since I was talking to someone who would instantly poo-pah anything outside the MSM, I was now forced to enter the Matrix and construct an argument there, on her terms. Strike 1.

Secondly, I knew that even if I "won" the debate logically, within the Matrix, on her terms, she would still resist everything I had to say, because regardless of how smart someone is, these are largely emotional issues.. and in these situations smart people tend to use their intelligence to creatively twist logic in order to make it correspond to their emotions. Strike 2.

Thirdly, even if I succeeded in penetrating all those defense systems, she'd resent me for it. Stubborn defense systems are usually hiding some insecurities, and now she'd be forced to confront them. Plus, it's just embarrassing to admit you're wrong about something when you've been arguing so passionately the other way. Strike 3.

And that's kind of how it went. She asked me why I was voting Trump, with a kind of thinly veiled indignation. She was also trying very hard not to be smug, but it came thru nonetheless. I was instantly overwhelmed, because I had a million reasons why I was voting Trump, but only a very small window to make my case. So I was trying to mentally distill everything I knew into a palatable sound bite or two, all while avoiding the fringe stuff that I knew would instantly trigger and shut her down. Not too similar to your situation with your brother...

I can't even recall what I said. I think I began by saying something about the Abraham Accords. Very few people are even aware of them, and Trump's role, and my sister was one of them. I began explaining but I didn't even make a dent. Then I moved on to a couple other things, with very little success.

Yuri Benzemov called it perfectly. First, she questioned my motives. And then, when I provided sources for some of my arguments, she questioned my sources. The whole thing was a futile endeavor.

And I resented that I even fell into the trap of defending Trump. The implication was that she had moral high ground, and by beginning on the back foot I played right into it. It's a very tricky situation to be in.

[lunaflare]

No offence to your opinion of your sister, Mike. But how can a person be "smart" if their mind is perpetually closed to another perspective, and there is an unwillingness to think critically? It is interesting to me how we determine intelligence/or smartness in a human being.

[Mike]

No offence to your opinion of your sister, Mike. But how can a person be "smart" if their mind is perpetually closed to another perspective, and there is an unwillingness to think critically? It is interesting to me how we determine intelligence/or smartness in a human being.

That's a fair (and good) question.

It appears to me that people are letting their intellects become hijacked by their emotions. Weaponizing emotions kind of short circuits the brain.

Fear also prevents us from seeing other perspectives. And pride. The intellect is often no match for them.

[Bill Ryan]

Very slightly off-topic here — and also a little interesting light relief.

Reading all the posts, it grew clear that the question "Who will win?" can mean a number of things. "Who will be formally elected?" "Who will get the most electoral votes?" or "Who will be inaugurated president?" might all be more precise.

There's a relevant personal story to tell here from many years ago, during a time when a close friend, merely a teenager but an extraordinarily gifted person, was going through a period of being most dramatically psychic.

He predicted the results of the UK general election of October 1974, in which the Labour party won by a wafer-thin margin of 3 seats, after a number of very close results in different constituencies which had required time-consuming (and repeated) manual paper recounts.

But my friend had predicted that the narrow Labour victory would be by 5 (five) seats. Not 3.

"Aha", I said, teasing him. "You got that wrong."

His reply was utterly serious. "I was right. They got one of the recounts wrong."

:)

:focus:

[SilentFeathers]

No offence to your opinion of your sister, Mike. But how can a person be "smart" if their mind is perpetually closed to another perspective, and there is an unwillingness to think critically? It is interesting to me how we determine intelligence/or smartness in a human being.

That's a fair (and good) question.

It appears to me that people are letting their intellects become hijacked by their emotions. Weaponizing emotions kind of short circuits the brain.

Fear also prevents us from seeing other perspectives. And pride. The intellect is often no match for them.

Many of these people are highly intelligent, but cannot be reasoned with or will avoid logic, reason, and common sense at all costs. Those of us that are fully aware that something is absolutely wrong are stricken with mass confusion and fear because we can not find a remedy, cure, or solution to correct something we know is totally destructive to our natural well being....to our society/community, to our loved ones, to our current and or future relationships of all kinds, to our collective human family.

I would almost say their intellects have been highjacked by an ideology through mass programming and or an indoctrination of an extremely well crafted cult like mind control and or hypnotic experiment. This experiment is absolutely weaponized IMO. It's so powerful in can actually change populations, cultures, and destroy families and relationships of all kinds. Many of the deepest aspects of this cult like ideology involved in this massive psyops plays off the deepest parts of human emotion, morals and ethics be damned.

People affected by this mass brainwashing or mass hypnosis burn down cities, abandon family members, friends, and loved ones, destroy relationships, and even kill one another, etc., and no matter how hard they are pressed they can not give a reasonable answer as to why.

I sometimes wonder when we see deranged behavior such as people ripping down statues, throwing people in front of trains, punching women in the face, screaming in the faces of complete strangers, etc., that make absolutely no sense is actually some kind of side effect of the "programming". Perhaps some of these people know deep down inside something is terribly wrong and they snap because they have lost all hope in themselves or humanity as a whole.

Whatever this really is it is completely destroying a reality we all knew well.......

I see this massive psyops very evil and demonic, often playing off the rule of opposites.

To dovetail this post back to the topic of this thread and this election, I believe what we are seeing when it comes to this massive political and social mental breakdown is that it almost doesn't matter who wins the election, the spiritual battle between light and darkness win continue regardless. Whatever is truly happening is way bigger than a well designed government mind-control program, in my opinion it's demonic possession and spiritual warfare. Hell, most of the people in government have fallen victim and have also been highjacked by this demonic spirit and mind disorder.

Trump doesn't seem to have fallen victim to these demons from the unseen realm, that's why I voted for him. He can't save the world but maybe he can buy enough time so humanity may shift directions before it's to late. Kamala is a soldier for the dark side in my opinion. Those that show contempt and hatred towards their fellow human beings obviously have something seriously wrong with them and can't be trusted.

All throughout human history there are writings/records, stories, myths and legends of demons, archons, ET's, giants, or whatever one may want to call them. Humans battling the dark ones in the underworld and spiritual wars. This is what spiritual warfare our ancestors warned us about looks like folks! (And we really haven't seen anything yet!).

[Ewan]

Many of these people are highly intelligent, but cannot be reasoned with or will avoid logic, reason, and common sense at all costs. Those of us that are fully aware that something is absolutely wrong are stricken with mass confusion and fear because we can not find a remedy, cure, or solution to correct something we know is totally destructive to our natural well being....to our society/community, to our loved ones, to our current and or future relationships of all kinds, to our collective human family.


Then perhaps we could have a thread discussing the definition of intelligence, as Lunaflare (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?129-lunaflare) opined here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123741-Trump-or-Harris-Who-Will-Win&p=1640576&viewfull=1#post1640576), 'It is interesting to me how we determine intelligence/or smartness in a human being.'

As Mike's sister and your friend clearly were not intelligent by my understanding of the word. The same would apply to my brother in law, (thinks Putin is the most evil man on the planet).

Refusing to look at information because it doesn't fit your preconceptions is actually dumb, but that is the way for the majority it seems.

Anyway, let's get back to Trump or Harris: Who Will Win? - :happythumbsup:

[jaybee]

Why do we, you, me and others, feel the compulsion or need to shut our mouths while those expressing their opinions can open theirs?

Speaking for myself, I clam up when I believe what I have to say will fall on deaf ears and would be fruitless. But if I sense even one person has an interest, I venture on.


Just to add to this....sometimes I might 'say something' sometimes I might not... depending on different things like how strong I'm feeling - the situation etc..... yesterday I felt like I should make the effort to say 'something' - the close proximity of the 2 people and the nearness of the election maybe spurred me on...... but I didn't breeze through it, not by any means..... it kind of ruined my day and my equilibrium - it overshadowed the following hours - because these were people, acquaintances, who could be in my life, on the periphery, for the next few months/years........ as I left on my own heading for the car I thought.....damn !!!..... did I do the right thing or should I have kept my mouth shut?

I debated with myself..asking myself... would you have felt worse if you hadn't spoken up and I came to the conclusion that I would have felt worse ... it was a no win situation - but I reasoned (with myself :)....) if Trump can do what he does, even coming millimetres away from literally having his brains blown out... it's a small thing for me to say what I said - I concluded that even that 5 - 10 minutes in a place he'll never visit, involving people he'll never know MIGHT have contributed to the campaign in some obscure spiritual way... :-)





No offence to your opinion of your sister, Mike. But how can a person be "smart" if their mind is perpetually closed to another perspective, and there is an unwillingness to think critically? It is interesting to me how we determine intelligence/or smartness in a human being.

That's a fair (and good) question.

It appears to me that people are letting their intellects become hijacked by their emotions. Weaponizing emotions kind of short circuits the brain.

Fear also prevents us from seeing other perspectives. And pride. The intellect is often no match for them.


re the bolded above.... that must be what's happening - primitive parts of the brain are being hacked into - by passing the intellect...stirring the emotions... I listened to a programme on the radio about ostracization (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/ostracization) many years ago that helped me - educated me.... and the whole thing about being ostracized is so primitive and powerful that even on the internet involving total strangers or people one will never meet or have real life dealings with - being ostracized is deeply upsetting for people -

The reason being ostracized is so threatening is because it is literally the difference between life and death in a primitive part of the brain - (where ever that is) in a primitive tribe being ostracized would be a death sentence - and in spite of our modern lives we are still primitive in many ways - - if the SHTF and all our comforts were stripped away everything would soon revert to Kill or Be Killed... we'd band together in tribal groups and stick together ....

What I'm leading up to (eventually :) ...) is that your sister, Mark's late brother and all the others probably feel that they ARE being smart and clever at a deep, unconscious level because they intend to survive... literally survive by NOT being ostracized......by going along with all the BS..... of course in the long run they aren't improving their survival chances but those later levels of survival aren't part of the brainwashing brain hack we are being subjected to ...

going to stop before this turns into a long ramble....

just trying to get to the bottom of why clever people do what they do and say what they say regarding Trump.....

[Mari]

Jaybee, you're a braver man than I -- or maybe you're just where I was in 2016/2020, when I was confronted with the same dilemma with my ignorant family and friends. I remember one particularly...not heated, but moderately tepid...back and forth with my dear late brother [God rest him], on the case of Donald Trump versus Hilary Rodham Clinton. 'If Hilary wins,' I said to him, 'we're all in a heap of trouble'. To that, he cocked his head, leaned forward in his armchair, and countered: 'Why?'

It brought to mind this now famous meme.

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I remember that moment distinctly, and the corner I'd painted myself into.

(Fools rush in where angels fear to tread!)

I had seconds to make my case, and make it a good one. Unfortunately, I failed to make any case at all. Whatever blessings God saw fit to bestow upon me, oration isn't one of them. I ended up pretty much grinding my gears. There simply wasn't anything concrete I could call to mind beyond what my brother would call 'wild and wacky conspiracy theories'.

Many on this board will have heard of Hilary's dark dealings, in and out of government; her ties to the deep state, the Clinton Foundation, and all sorts of other nastiness. But without any facts or figures to hand, I knew I'd be wasting my time. Even Bengazi was too hot to handle in this conversation. My brother was just too 'suburban', too Daily Telegraph, to entertain the idea that establishment politicians - those like Clinton - aren't merely corrupt, but actually evil. Same for MPs on our side of the pond.

It's mystifying when I look back on it. My brother was one of the best, if not the best, man I ever knew, and the smartest. He graduated from LSE for God's sake (London School of Economics), his IQ was sky high, and his knowledge, especially of world events, was encyclopaedic. Yet when it came to 'fringe' ideas and theories he didn't have a single clue.

I've since learned that whenever the conversation turns to politics -- with almost anyone at all -- I'm better off keeping my mouth shut.

For a couple of interesting threads on this phenomenon, see here:

Why you can't convince your friends of the truth - and what to do about it (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115352-Why-you-can-t-convince-your-friends-of-the-truth-and-what-to-do-about-it)
Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114787-Why-humans-are-unintelligent-it-s-all-about-belief)



HI Mark, your brother may well have been the 'best', his IQ 'sky high' and a grad of the LSE....But in my honest opinion, these are usually red flags for a 'system' brainwashed mind. Anyone who spends a lot of time in academia will have been indoctrinated into establishment mores. I worked for a number of years in the MAFF (now Defra) amongst scientists, and they were thick as planks regarding most things outside their mind-trained Box. Lovely human beings, but not emotionally intelligent and you couldn't have a wide-ranging debate with most of them.
So yes, I understand your and other's frustration. I live near a 'working class' (not a term I like at all, but suits this narrative) council estate and I can tell you that the majority of awake persons in my town of Paignton, come from ' That Lot', as Richard Tice of the Reform party has stated, re the fans of a certain Mr T Robinson.:wink:

[apokalypse]

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Now Trump has RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk and others working with him.... but especially Bobby Kennedy who has said all the things he will do regarding MAHA.... those who will do anything to stop Trump, will be more determined than ever to stop him...


that's reason why i say Harris get pick...TBTB won't accept that otherwise all BS.

for me i just let it all play out...the real agenda is after 2024.

[Tam]

Harris will win the popular vote, narrowly. And barely scrape by with electoral college.

Trump will demand a recount. A recount will happen, which will be as painfully drawn out as possible, probably about 2 weeks.

Trump will win by recount, in a similar situation as the 2000 election with Al Gore.

[ExomatrixTV]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gbjbo-pX0AACnK9?format=jpg&name=large

2024 US Election Voting Anomalies (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123744-2024-US-Election-Voting-Anomalies)

[ExomatrixTV]

quote: "My gut feel -- Trump wins. By a pretty clear margin. Here's why:

01. The biggest issue that people face is inflation. The average working family is having a hard time making ends meet. They blame Biden / Harris.
02. The idea that Trump is Hitler is not resonating. In 2020, he seemed more authoritarian. Now, he's surrounded by RFK, Elon, JD, Tulsi etc.. Meanwhile the dems are executing squirrels.
03. People are not into more wars. Democrats seem more hawkish.
04. Kamala is objectively un-appealing. Biden at least was a known entity. Kamala seems like she has a drinking problem. The cackling is horrific.
05. Crypto/Bitcoin people are single issue voters and that will matter.
06. The Electoral college plays in Trumps favor. I think he will get one of WI, MI, PA. Possibly all 3.
07. America loves a comeback. Trump is the comeback kid.
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Slashing Big Government - An Idea Whose Time Has Come!:

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Amid the madness and superficiality of US presidential campaign politics, suddenly there is serious talk about the Federal Reserve and...cutting government spending! Ron Paul's social media blew up over the weekend after Elon Musk invited him to team up, grab a machete, and start slashing two trillion dollars from the budget. Will the enthusiasm hold? Is it suddenly "cool" to talk about monetary policy, out-of-control spending...and the Fed?

[Dennis Leahy]

Hilarious to think that a US president can make the cost of groceries go down. I'm surprised that they haven't included "walking on water" as another campaign promise.


To get back on track with the thread, some democrats are saying that if Trump wins, the democrats in Congress will simply not certify the election, based on the 14th amendment and the democrat "fact" that Trump fomented an insurgency.

[mountain_jim]

sorry if this was previously posted- after posting noticed it was from 2 days ago

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1852866266538586279

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Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
JUST IN: AtlasIntel, the most accurate pollster of 2020, releases their official swing state poll showing Donald Trump leading in every swing state.

The poll shows Trump leading in Arizona and Nevada by a very comfortable margin.

North Carolina: Trump +3.4
Georgia: Trump +2.5
Arizona: Trump +6.5
Nevada: Trump +5.5
Wisconsin: Trump +1.0
Michigan: Trump +1.5
Pennsylvania: Trump +1.8

@atlas_intel
also has Trump leading nationally by ~2 points.

[mountain_jim]

Hilarious to think that a US president can make the cost of groceries go down. I'm surprised that they haven't included "walking on water" as another campaign promise.



This article posits that administration policy can (and has) made the cost of groceries go up at a much faster rate.

In my view, just energy policy alone can over time do that, and has.

But - as a commenter posted (and spammed repeatedly):




Trump was a major part of said disaster, he began the mass deficits by running the largest single year US deficit in the history of the country.


so little reason to believe his promises to be able to fix this at this point. Maybe Musk and Ron Paul can help do something about FED dollar printing and value destruction - but my long-term savings choices indicated what I thought the chances were of anyone accomplishing that.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-harris-economic-time-bomb-warning-trump-musk

The Biden-Harris' Economic Time-Bomb: A Warning To Trump & Musk

by Tyler Durden
Monday, Nov 04, 2024 - 03:05 PM
Authored by Daniel Lacalle (https://www.dlacalle.com/en/the-biden-harris-economic-time-bomb-a-warning-to-trump-and-musk),

The insane neo-Keynesian policies implemented by the Biden-Harris administration have created persistent inflation and record levels of debt with two objectives: to bloat Gross Domestic Product and jobs with public spending and government jobs.

https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/Untitled%20%2852%29.jpg?itok=ZW2PijXZ

The United States’ insane inflation is solely due to out-of-control spending and currency printing. Corporations, wars, or supply chains cannot cause aggregate prices to rise, nor can they consolidate the increase even at a slower pace. Although this can have an impact on individual prices, the only factor that causes aggregate prices to rise year after year is the decline in the value of the US dollar that the government issues.

Over 20.5% accumulated inflation over the past four years, government deficit spending has reached nearly $2 trillion annually despite record tax receipts and a growing economy, public debt has reached almost $36 trillion, and the monthly job figure includes an astonishing 43,000 new government jobs each month. In 2023, nearly 25% of all job gains were government ones, and the entirety of the growth of the labor force in the past four years came from foreign workers. The latest jobs figure is so poor it seems disingenuous to blame it on hurricanes and strikes, as if economists and forecasters had not considered those two factors in their estimates. Furthermore, the only factor that continued to increase uncontrollably was the number of government jobs, adding 40,000 new positions to an overall total of just 12,000 jobs. No wonder the labor participation rate and employment-to-population ratios remain below 2019 levels. Furthermore, in the latest GDP figure, government spending accounted for 30% of the annualized growth, while investment was basically stagnant. In the past nine quarters, government spending has been one of the top drivers of GDP growth, and its contribution to GDP in the third quarter of 2024 was the largest in a year.

This is upside-down economics in full swing. Private sector investment weakness, higher taxes for the productive economy and government spending and debt driving the economy. Of course, this never ends well.

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The Harris-Biden administration arrived in January 2021, when the economy was bouncing back strongly. Instead of allowing the private sector to thrive, it embarked on a strategy of out-of-control spending and tax increases with two objectives: increase the size of government in the economy so much that the next administration would be unable to reduce it enough in four years. The second objective was to bloat growth and job figures so aggressively that the next administration will see a recession if it reduces public sector growth. You may ask yourself why they would do it if Harris intended to win the elections. If Kamala Harris wins, she will continue to expand the size of government, inflate prices through spending and printing, and blame companies and stores for these actions.

The Biden-Harris administration has left a massive time bomb for Trump and Elon Musk’s government efficiency office if they win. It will be almost impossible to avoid a recession if they cut discretionary spending and eliminate duplicate jobs. It is the same strategy that the socialists followed in Greece, Spain, and France, by the way.

However, the socialist strategy may backfire. The evidence is that citizens do not value Biden’s policies and the state of the economy. The approval rate regarding the economy is atrociously low, 39.8%, according to RCP. United States citizens do not believe that they are better off than in January 2021. Inflation, immigration, and rising taxes have crippled small businesses and families. Furthermore, a strong pro-growth strategy and lower taxes will likely boost the dormant investment figure, create jobs in the private sector, and help small businesses achieve critical mass and grow. In Argentina, Milei recognized the necessary actions and cautioned the citizens about the inevitable reduction of the bloated state. The Kirchner socialists left a more significant time bomb legacy than what Trump might inherit. The response has been overwhelmingly positive. Lower inflation led to lower taxation, an eight-month budget surplus, and rapidly improving public finances.

The biggest risk for the United States economy and the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency is out-of-control public spending and constant currency printing added to tax hikes. Healing public finances and reducing government jobs may have a temporary negative impact on GDP, but higher exports, investment, and private sector jobs will likely compensate for it, and the result will be better for the US dollar and American citizens.

More government is always poorer citizens. The potential of the United States economy’s private sector is much greater than the short-term negative impact of efficiency and budget control on headline GDP.

[Lunesoleil]

Harris will win the popular vote, narrowly. And barely scrape by with electoral college.

Trump will demand a recount. A recount will happen, which will be as painfully drawn out as possible, probably about 2 weeks.

Trump will win by recount, in a similar situation as the 2000 election with Al Gore.

In France, the debate on the American Elections is hot, we already understand the candidate who is being defended, seeing a woman president is a dream for female journalists.
I put an option on this vision which would be the wisest. I listened to an astrologer on youtube, I was surprised when he said that Trump had a great chance of winning

:thumbsup:

[ExomatrixTV]

‘This Is It’: Donald Trump Receives ‘Boost’ In Final Hours Of Election Campaign:

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Danica Patrick: This Is Why 'You Literally Get Six Presidents When You Pick' Trump:

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Megyn Kelly Joins Trump at His Final PA Rally of 2024 and Explains Why She's Supporting Him:

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Danica Patrick: This Is Why 'You Literally Get Six Presidents When You Pick' Trump:

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

For whatever it is worth, here is the latest map from electoral-vote.com.

https://i.imgur.com/wRACTeK.jpeg



I went to the electoral-vote.com website and studied their maps just now. Then I took a reader survey for that site, and noticed a considerable Democrat bias in their questions. So I don't trust their collective poll choices at this point.

The map has somewhat changed... Now strongly favouring Harris. :silent:

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https://electoral-vote.com/

[ExomatrixTV]

Shock as Joe Rogan endorses Donald Trump in a spectacular blow to the Democrats:

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Joe Rogan sat down for a surprise podcast with Elon Musk that was released today where the pair attacked Kamala harris and the Democrats just two days out from the US Presidential election

And in another shock, Joe Rogan, who has always maintained his bipartisanship publicly, came out to endorse Donald Trump with a post on X.

[thepainterdoug]

I voted today in my NJ blue state and county. I was the only one there at 11 am

pd

[ExomatrixTV]

If Trump becomes President again it will be the deathblow "TO THE GLOBAL ORDER" says: Yuval Noah Harari (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Yuval%20Noah%20Harari) advisor to Klaus Schwab WEF
(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum)

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source (https://x.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1853911032177025258)

[thepainterdoug]

Harari is full oF ****.

[ExomatrixTV]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbqE6MFbEAAa47m?format=png&name=small



🔴 2024 Election Livestream of the Century: The Rumble on Rumble:

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[ExomatrixTV]

There appears to be a 'Republican surge' on Election Day, pollster says:

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BREAKING NEWS: Indiana And Kentucky Are Called For Donald Trump:

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[apokalypse]

appear trump win..seems they pushing towards the future whatever u called it aka transumanism as Elon with chip in the brain stuff.

[ExomatrixTV]

Alex Jones and Infowars Crew Toast To Trump Victory:

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source (https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/1854054945617498345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1854054945617498345%7Ctwgr% 5E06e0dcc4d85ebae4a0a908741b2ab37688323f88%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fprojectavalon.net%2Fforum4%2Fshowthread.php%3F123741-Trump-or-Harris-Who-Will-Win)

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[Eric J (Viking)]

Here in UK it appears all stations are saying a Trump win. 👍

Now the fun starts!

[apokalypse]

im really interesting in ELon..and agenda from TBTB..need new thread

[ExomatrixTV]

Donald Trump wins the 2024 US election:

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[ExomatrixTV]

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source (https://x.com/XNews/status/1853983284885328256)

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

An interesting segment!

(I'll say no more so as not to spoil it)


"Let's Zoom In..."
https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aVvwO8d_460svvp9.webm

[ExomatrixTV]

An interesting segment!

(I'll say no more so as not to spoil it)


"Let's Zoom In..."
https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aVvwO8d_460svvp9.webm

That is a really well done brilliant satire video ... where can I find the original high quality version of that masterpeace Mark, can you give me the direct link for that?

--o-O-o--

Different kind of hilarious satire:
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source (https://x.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1854215286926311746)

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source (https://x.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1854219102631465079)

[ExomatrixTV]

Joe Scarborough’s LIE-FUELED MELTDOWN Over Trump’s Win!:

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[ExomatrixTV]

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:facepalm:


source (https://x.com/Jen_68478426/status/1854189500588851255)

[Michel Leclerc]

...well — although I can only see the Trump team’s victory as the “considerably lesser evil” – the really insane Ms Harris at the helm would have made the end of the world certain – “Jennie_68484” [that must be her real name, can’t be otherwise] inviting us to “look at that crazy woman” — a woman who is just afraid and sad — does not replenish my confidence in the future of the human race...

[Ernie Nemeth]

We can finally be unburdened by what has been...
oh, the Joy of it!

[ExomatrixTV]

'One Of The Greatest Political Comebacks': Donald Trump To Return To The White House:

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‘BLAME GAME HAS STARTED’: Harris surrogate says we weren’t expecting a blow out at all:

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Sore loser Kamala STILL hasn't admitted she lost as world waits for concession speech and Biden stays silent (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14049277/kamala-harris-delays-concession-speech-donald-trump-victory.html)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

An interesting segment!

(I'll say no more so as not to spoil it)


"Let's Zoom In..."
https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aVvwO8d_460svvp9.webm

That is a really well done brilliant satire video ... where can I find the original high quality version of that masterpeace Mark, can you give me the direct link for that?



It came from The Onion (https://theonion.com), and I agree it is brilliant.

Original link here (https://theonion.com/election-touchscreen-map-takes-deeper-look-inside-key-swing-voter/)
Plus the youtube link for this video>
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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

We can finally be unburdened by what has been...
oh, the Joy of it!

I see what you did there... Very good!

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[ExomatrixTV]

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:facepalm:
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:facepalm:



source (https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/1854245946692919622?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1854245946692919622%7Ctwgr% 5E5b95220ca89ed8da3e76c84b673f091b9af004c4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fprojectavalon.net%2Fforum4%2Fshowthread.php%3F123741-Trump-or-Harris-Who-Will-Win)



Watch Host’s Face as He Realises How Bad It Got for Kamala Harris:

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[ExomatrixTV]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbvKzFIWkAQ-r7r?format=jpg&name=large (https://x.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1854298741756592133)


source (https://x.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1854298741756592133)

[ExomatrixTV]

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source (https://twitter.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1854303411874726154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1854303411874726154%7Ctwgr% 5E71ebae84f917c1db5a9a975efae2fe845ce95002%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fprojectavalon.net%2Fforum4%2Fshowthread.php%3F123741-Trump-or-Harris-Who-Will-Win)

[ExomatrixTV]

The Election Meltdown Is Real:

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2024 Election Meltdowns Continue!:

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Grab the popcorn for this one...😂:

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Lefties in tears following Donald Trump's presidential victory:

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[ExomatrixTV]

Watch Tucker's Face When Elon Musk Exposes the Real Lesson from the Election:

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[apokalypse]

i found a word that pretty much describe what's gonna be under new administration... Techno-dystopia

[ExomatrixTV]

Lefties losing it: All the best meltdowns after Donald Trump’s victory:

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:facepalm:

[ExomatrixTV]

Leftists Flipping Out Over Trump Re-Election ULTIMATE COMPILATION!

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:facepalm:

source (https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/1854325503286485484)

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source (https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/1854328129981935989)



President Trump Has Asked Me To Do Three Things:

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President Trump has asked me to do three things:


01. Clean up the corruption in our government health agencies.
02. Return those agencies to their rich tradition of gold-standard, evidence-based science.
03. Make America Healthy Again by ending the chronic disease epidemic.

[Dennis Leahy]

John Kuhles posted this yesterday (and must have deleted it?)

Note the inclusion of (re-named) anti-genocide/anti-Zionism protest as a cult, in the list of cults: "the Free Palestine cult"

It is an example of how the demonic Zionist Israeli propaganda and narrative control is skillfully used to conflate opposition to the genocidal Zionists as if it was insane, cult-like behavior.

Gee, I wonder if Dr. Eli David might be a Zionist. He is correct that the Trump administration will treat opposition to Israel's genocide of the Palestinian population and theft of all of Palestine as if it was insane behavior. The Zionists were the big winners in the US presidential election. The theocracy of the USA, Inc. is firmly "Christian Zionist" and all those who oppose Zionism are enemy combatants.


The Deep State is Zionist. Somebody tell Trump (and Elon Musk, and Robert Kennedy, and Tulsi Gabbard and Mike Johnson and all the rest of the Zionazi enablers.)



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[ExomatrixTV]

Ex-Top Official Catherine Austin Fitts: Inside Trump’s Victory, RFK Jr., and the Deep State:

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Former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under President George H.W. Bush, Catherine Austin Fitts (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120498-Catherine-Austin-Fitts-on-Tucker-Carlson-about-CBDCs), shares her insights on Donald Trump’s recent victory in the U.S. presidential election, the rising influence of independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and the impact of the so-called ‘Deep State’ on American politics. According to Fitts, change isn’t on the horizon—it’s happening right now. She also discusses the historic surge of independent voters, a movement that could permanently reshape the future of U.S. politics as we know it.


Katherine Austin Fittz discusses recent election results, highlighting significant Republican victories in the White House and Senate, while House results remain pending.
The new president has a mandate for change but faces challenges, including filling thousands of positions and navigating ongoing legal issues.
Fittz emphasizes pressing international concerns, such as the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East, and voters' expectations for a shift towards diplomacy.
She questions whether the president will genuinely attempt to dismantle the "Deep State" or merely facilitate its continuation, referencing unfulfilled promises about transparency.
The conversation touches on the influence of various advisors around the president, some of whom may contribute to the expansion of the Deep State.
Fittz critiques specific policies, such as promoting digital IDs and private cryptocurrencies, suggesting they could empower the Deep State further.
She argues that the corruption associated with the Deep State permeates local economies across the country, linking it to organized crime and war.
The discussion highlights the tension between public demands for reduced corruption and the political realities the president will face upon taking office.
Fittz discusses the complexities of funding and the influence of powerful entities, like the military-industrial complex, on political leadership.
The conversation concludes with an emphasis on the need for political alignment and vigilance regarding the implications of new policies, particularly in the context of emerging central financial systems.

Katherine Austin Fitz (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Katherine%20Austin%20Fitz) discusses the recent election results, highlighting a Republican landslide with significant victories in the White House and Senate, while the House results are still pending. She emphasizes that the new president has a mandate for change but faces challenges, including filling thousands of positions and navigating ongoing legal issues, both civil and criminal. Fitz points out the pressing international concerns, such as the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East, and the expectations from voters for a shift towards diplomacy rather than conflict. She raises questions about whether the president will genuinely attempt to dismantle the "Deep State" or merely facilitate its continuation, noting past promises about transparency, such as releasing the Kennedy files, which were not fulfilled. The conversation touches on the influence of various advisors around the president, some of whom seek to drain the swamp while others contribute to its expansion. Fitz critiques specific policies, such as the promotion of digital IDs and private cryptocurrencies, suggesting these could empower the Deep State further. She also argues that the corruption associated with the Deep State is not confined to Washington but permeates local economies across the country, linking it to organized crime and war. Fitz concludes by highlighting the tension between public demands for reduced corruption and the political realities that the president will face upon taking office.

The discussion revolves around the complexities of funding and the influence of powerful entities, such as the military-industrial complex and organized crime, on political leadership. The speaker emphasizes that significant change is unlikely unless there is alignment between federal and state officials, particularly when a Republican president is in power. They mention Robert Kennedy's potential influence in the upcoming administration, especially if he can secure key positions within the government. The conversation also touches on the importance of Congress in approving appointments and the potential implications of Trump's policies, especially regarding digital IDs and central bank digital currencies (CBDCs (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120026-Biggest-Threat-To-Financial-Freedom-is-CBDC)). The speaker expresses concern over Trump’s stance on these issues and warns against the establishment of a centralized financial system. Overall, the emphasis is on the need for political alignment and vigilance regarding the implications of new policies.

The concept of a mesh network and its implications for control and freedom. The speakers highlight the contrasting motivations of influential figures like Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, who are seen as part of a control grid, versus those like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120744-Robert-F.-Kennedy-jr.-May-Run-for-Presidency-Challenging-Joe-Biden-2024) who advocate for freedom. The conversation emphasizes the importance of winning legislative seats and influencing policy in the early days of governance. To resist global threats such as Central Bank Digital Currencies and Digital IDs, the speakers stress the need for transparency and open debate. They believe that by bringing these issues to light and fostering collaboration among various groups, there is a potential to push back against central control. They also reflect on the growing awareness and organization among people, particularly since 2020, as they recognize the dangers of centralization and begin to unite for their freedoms. Katherine Austin Fitts shares her observations from traveling across the U.S., noting a significant shift in public sentiment towards valuing freedom and resisting central control. She describes a movement of pushback against the mechanisms that threaten individual rights and property, highlighting a collective awakening to the strategies employed by central authorities. The discussion concludes with an optimistic outlook on the potential for grassroots movements to effect change.

The current geopolitical landscape, likening it to a game of "Texas chicken" where opposing forces are vying for dominance. They express concern about the potential for a "digital concentration camp" under a World Economic Forum (WEF) (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) reset versus a more prosperous, human-centered society through a "Building Wealth reset." The conversation shifts to the sustainability of the current political system, highlighting a survey from Ohio's 7th congressional district that revealed a significant shift among young voters (ages 18-25), with only 4% registering as Democrats and Republicans, while 92% identified as Independents. This indicates a growing discontent with the traditional two-party system and a desire for genuine change. The speaker emphasizes that this movement for change is already happening across various societal levels in America, suggesting that transformative shifts are underway.
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[Kryztian]

The worst reactions to Trumps win, as well as one very good and apropos reaction. Many of these are Tik-Tok videos of people posting their meltdowns. One person blames Trump for causing the end of her relationship with her Trump supporting parents because she will no longer be able to face them, another states that she worries that she will be waking up tomorrow to find that she is a slave. On the one hand, you can find this people pathetic and hilarious in their delusion, but at the same time they are all to human and victims of a elaborate psychological operation and I genuinely feel sorry that they have been duped. I like to think that the industrial-military-media complex is running out of mind control cards to play on Democratic America and that these people are going to figure out more sooner than later that they have been had.

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The final and most lengthy rant on the video is Cenk Uygur who accurately and righteously about how the Democratic Party power apparatus can only allow the most compromised and mediocre politicians can ascend to positions of power and how the party has completely failed the vast majority of people who support it.

[Kryztian]

Glenn Greenwald looks at the numbers, the statistics, broken down by demographics to tell us why Kamala lost and where the two party system is heading:


The Democratic party is becoming the party of white college educated elites and the Republican party that of the working class. Black voters are still the group that most overwhelmingly supports Democrats, although support in that group has greatly eroded. In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where there are a great number of black voters, 8% of them voted for Trump in 2020, but now 21% went for Trump in 2024. That statistical change is enough to explain why Wisconsin flipped from Blue to Red this year.


There has been a concerted effort to make it seem as though the Democratic Party is the party of women, because of the abortion issue. However, white women without college degrees voted for Trump (63%) over Harris (35%).


For all the talk we have had from the White House and from the media about how wonderful the Biden economy is, the are a lot of Americans who go to the supermarkets and see otherwise.

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[ExomatrixTV]

This happens when people blindly trust mass brainwashing media ... mass conditioning via MSM ... pure mass hypnosis & artificial created "mass formation psychosis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism)".
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source (https://twitter.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1854645855124361709?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1854645855124361709%7Ctwgr% 5E8e9b6c6d22342ec50651a798d49ba89cd04dc1e4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fprojectavalon.net%2Fforum4%2Fshowthread.php%3F123741-Trump-or-Harris-Who-Will-Win)



Leftists Cope & Seethe Over Trump Win:

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[ExomatrixTV]

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source (https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/1854990958649082100?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1854990958649082100%7Ctwgr% 5E5b12b8610359904a6c4a5f21497bb1c30069e931%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fprojectavalon.net%2Fforum4%2Fshowthread.php%3F123741-Trump-or-Harris-Who-Will-Win)



Leftist Nuclear Winter:

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