Selling Zionism - the modern era

[Dennis Leahy]

There is another thread about how Zionism got injected into Christianity (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/There is another thread about how Zionism got injected into Christianity that explores that aspect of the selling of Zionism, but I thought we needed a thread to discuss the current Zionist propaganda.Here's a short video exploring Israel's Zionist propaganda changing over time, and currently using sociopaths in bikinis to make Zionism sexy: https://www.bitchute.com/video/a2RndxZflwtL) that explores that aspect of the selling of Zionism, but I thought we needed a thread to discuss the current Zionist propaganda.


Here's a short video exploring Israel's Zionist propaganda changing over time, and currently using sociopaths in bikinis to make Zionism sexy: https://www.bitchute.com/video/a2RndxZflwtL An appropriate title: IDF Sex Programming (MKULTRA 3.0)

[Sirus]

What definition and type of Zionism are we discussing here Dennis?

[Dennis Leahy]

What definition and type of Zionism are we discussing here Dennis?


I don't understand your question, Sirus. Definition and type? This isn't theoretical, it's about actual current Zionism propaganda. I hope this isn't an attempt to obfuscate or dismiss the actual nature of Zionism and Zionist propaganda.


Actually, if you want to start a thread or join a thread that defines Zionism or goes through the early history of Zionism, your question of "definition and type" might be welcomed. Here, I see it as deflecting the obvious, as the title of this thread is "Selling Zionism - the modern era." May I ask, do you consider yourself to be Zionist or accept Zionist precepts? If you are Jewish, or Israeli, please don't try to defend Judaism or Israeli citizenship support by defending Zionism. The Israeli Jews have been hijacked by Zionism - Zionism is NOT about Judaism or Jews.

[Tintin]

The Israeli Jews have been hijacked by Zionism - Zionism is NOT about Judaism or Jews.

Yup :highfive:

Reposting this from earlier this week (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122055-Israel-vs-Palestine-Lebanon-Iran-Yemen-Syria-a-New-Middle-East-War&p=1640840&viewfull=1#post1640840):

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Copying over from the British Isles turmoil thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119339-Turmoil-in-the-British-Isles&p=1640839&viewfull=1#post1640839):
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"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie." - Revelations 3:9

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Prof. Haim Bresheeth - Jewish Network for Palestine: speech at Swiss Cottage, London, November 1st, 2024

It's a very powerful anti-Zionist speech, about 7 minutes in length :flower: :muscle:

Perhaps a lot more importantly he stresses what many of us here have come to understand over some considerable time: the colonisation of the American, British and European minds by Zionism, and the further colonisation of Judaism. The difference between Jews and Zionists couldn't be more clearly stated here. This is what all reasonable and enlightened folk are up against and Haim articulates it all brilliantly.

I'll post this up again just in case there are any folks who still haven't figured this out yet:



Rabbi Chaim Brisker, one of the greatest rabbis a century ago, once said: “There have been many heretical groups in Jewish history, but Zionism is the worst. The Torah teaches Jews to be a moderate and peaceful people in the world. Zionism, on the other hand, tries to achieve its goals by distorting Judaism, oppressing people, usurping lands belonging to others, and doing every abomination prohibited by the Torah. The principles taught by Zionism are to steal, kill, usurp lands and exile people. Zionism is contrary to all the fundamental principles of Judaism".

In other words, the very synagogue of Satan (https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Revelation%203%3A9), from Biblical warnings. This is what these Zionists are. These are NOT Jews.

I've saved it to our library but will link to it via another online embed, and I hope it [the embed] plays reasonably smoothly without too many buffering hiccups:

https://videos.files.wordpress.com/f268rq70/bresheeth-swiss-cottage-011124-subbed.mp4

Whither the turmoil? He was arrested under the Terrorism Act 2000 by Metropolitan Police shortly afterwards :facepalm: This is becoming an all too regular occurrence under Keir Sausage's regime. He, along with all other Zionist apologists, may end up with the eggs to go with the sausages, on his face, when the Zionist entity ceases to exist.

The arrest footage follows:

tMQBIIAHFY4

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[Tintin]

As for "selling", the other product being pushed is something called "anti-Semitism", which is a piece of nefarious linguistic programming (chthonic drivel) which we can blame Moritz Steinschneider (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moritz_Steinschneider) for. I've written plenty about how stupid that piece of devilment is all over the forum in different places.

Here, the Zionists are up to their usual tricks: an attempt to deflect from the primary product with the conflated oxymoron "anti-Semitism."

Professor David Miller sums up the recent 'advertising campaign (https://x.com/Tracking_Power/status/1854935490111136214)' around the football/soccer related shenanigans in Amsterdam. Apparently the Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters contained Mossad agents. What a surprise....

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Now we know that Mossad were involved in Operation Ajax — the mission to ignite hysteria across Europe about non-existent Judeophobia using incitement by Maccabi Tel Aviv-affiliated Zionist terrorists — there are some obvious consequences that must follow:

1. Zionist colonists must be expelled from UEFA and FIFA.

2. If the institutions do not do their duty of de-Zionising football by the stroke of a pen, the people will take care of it through material de-Zionisation on the streets. Last night's response by the brave Muslim communities of Amsterdam was necessary, but extremely measured and not at all proportional to the genocidal violence unleashed by Zionist terrorists on the Levant, on Muslims worldwide, or indeed in the provocations that preceded the measured response. Future incidents will likely involve a more proportional response.

3. As well as being unwelcoming to Zionist colonists coming from Occupied Palestine, Europe must be unviable as a base for Zionist terror by Jewish supremacists who have infiltrated and are camouflaged among us. Zionist terrorist entryists must be expunged from European institutions, whether political parties, media, thinktanks or elsewhere. Again, either institutions take the lead and conduct this work in orderly fashion with advice from experts on Zionist subversion, or the people will take care of it for them.

The Flood is here and the 'dam has broken.

#DismantleZionism

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Of course he's made the same blunder everyone seems to by mentioning "Jewish supremacists". They are NOT Jewish; they are Zionist supremacists.

Other than that it's a solid statement, and I rather suspect that the sentiments he's shared here will manifest more widely, at least in Europe, with some kind of kinetic action.

[Sirus]

What definition and type of Zionism are we discussing here Dennis?


I don't understand your question, Sirus. Definition and type? This isn't theoretical, it's about actual current Zionism propaganda. I hope this isn't an attempt to obfuscate or dismiss the actual nature of Zionism and Zionist propaganda.


Actually, if you want to start a thread or join a thread that defines Zionism or goes through the early history of Zionism, your question of "definition and type" might be welcomed. Here, I see it as deflecting the obvious, as the title of this thread is "Selling Zionism - the modern era." May I ask, do you consider yourself to be Zionist or accept Zionist precepts? If you are Jewish, or Israeli, please don't try to defend Judaism or Israeli citizenship support by defending Zionism. The Israeli Jews have been hijacked by Zionism - Zionism is NOT about Judaism or Jews.

How can you discuss what people are selling, if you can't define what it is they are selling in the first place?
What's your understanding of Zionism?

It's a simple question Dennis.

[Dennis Leahy]

I'll also note that we could go back through this forum and - within the context of proclaiming what ideology the USA, Inc. is devolved/devolving into - that you can replace the words "socialism" and "communism" with Zionism.


Saying that the US is devolving into "Marxism!", "socialism", or "communism" is a red herring, using trigger words (to obfuscate the logic center of the brain in favor of the emotional center in the brain). Connect the dots - it's been Zionism all along. Biden is an avowed Zionist (https://youtu.be/Jov9jxRecFc?si=U04eew7GSl12lYDJ). Trump is a Zionist under the direction of Deep State, US-based "Christian Zionists." The Shadow Government of the United States is Zionist. Would Trump pass a polygraph test if asked if he really loves America and wants to make it great? I'd bet a large sum that yes, he is sincere. But sincerity and truth are not the same. Trump appears to have no idea at all what Zionism really is.

[Dennis Leahy]

What definition and type of Zionism are we discussing here Dennis?


I don't understand your question, Sirus. Definition and type? This isn't theoretical, it's about actual current Zionism propaganda. I hope this isn't an attempt to obfuscate or dismiss the actual nature of Zionism and Zionist propaganda.


Actually, if you want to start a thread or join a thread that defines Zionism or goes through the early history of Zionism, your question of "definition and type" might be welcomed. Here, I see it as deflecting the obvious, as the title of this thread is "Selling Zionism - the modern era." May I ask, do you consider yourself to be Zionist or accept Zionist precepts? If you are Jewish, or Israeli, please don't try to defend Judaism or Israeli citizenship support by defending Zionism. The Israeli Jews have been hijacked by Zionism - Zionism is NOT about Judaism or Jews.

How can you discuss what people are selling, if you can't define what it is they are selling in the first place?
What's your understanding of Zionism?

It's a simple question Dennis.
Are you Zionist? AIPAC? I remember when Bill Clinton said about sperm stains on a dress, "It depends on the meaning of the word "is."" Yes, it is quite possible to deflect away from a subject by getting pedantic and playing word games. I'm just going to assume that you DO know what "selling Zionism - the modern era" means, and are trying to dilute the impact of such an examination. There are a couple dozen threads here at Avalon with the word "Zionism" in the title - maybe go and read those and figure out which thread to discuss the "definition and type" of Zionism rather than how Zionism is being sold/foisted on humanity. Again, I'm going to invite you to stop subtracting from the gist of this thread.

[Sirus]

I'll leave you to it Dennis.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Zion:
Used to mean a home for the Jews.

Now it is mostly used as a pejorative.

The sacred hill of Jerusalem, the city that David built.

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Tintin. Two points.

One. May I just ask you to explain “Zionist terrorist entryists”? Do you mean "entering" Zionist terrorists? (“Entering into Europe", that is.) Because "entryists" would mean something like "people convinced that "entry" (e.g. into Europe) is something to be aspired to achieved, preached etc.”. Adherents of an ideology centered on "entering", in other words.

Two. You may not have encountered my small analysis of the concept of "antisemitism" elsewhere on PA. I do not proselytise, would only advocate clarity of terms and concepts. Anti-semitism is a term that has not existed since yesterday or yesteryear but since the century before yestercentury. We cannot "unexist" it, since it exits and is used. It means a (pathological, ideological, racist) aversion/fear/hatred of people who belong to Semitic cultures. Semitic cultures being cultures that use Semitic languages. (Whether the word "Semite" was used by the Semites themselves in BCE times or not is not essential; in BCA times a certain group of languages existed in the Levant that shared a significative number of features and were mutually comprehensible. Ugaritic, Akkadian, Phoenician, Canaanite, Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, Palmyrian, Syrian, etc. Aversion of speakers of those languages (representatives of their linguistic cultures) has existed since the 19th century. I do not understand why you call "anti-semitism" an oxymoron. It is not. People who have an aversion of Chinese people, culture, civilisation might be called Antisinites. That the word "antisinite" is not in use does not prove that the concept would have no meaning. It would.

Hence it follows that a racial, ideological hatred/fear/aversion of Arabs (so-called Arabophobia) is a form of antisemitism, because Arabic culture is one of the many Semitic cultures. Obviously hatred/fear/aversion of Jews is a form of antisemitism, because Jews are (to the extent of their participation in, identification with Jewish culture) of a Semitic culture. (People can, in spite of what the "anti multi culti" crowd thinks, be multi-cultural.) Should certain people in Iceland for example, or in Lanzarote, entertain a fiery ideological hatred for anybody who is Ethiopian, they would be antisemites by the very fact that Ethiopian culture is a Semitic culture.

Hence, and by the very fact that Zionists are NOT by definition Jews (although certain Jews may be zionists!) as you correctly point out, the hatred of Arabs entertained by present-day genocidal Zionists is an anti-Semitic hatred. I point that out because I think that affirming and repeating that is an ideological weapon against those Zionists. It is not the people who criticise the genocidal Zionists who would be, by that fact, anti-Jewish and hence anti-semitic (which the genocidal Zionists erroneously and perfidiously claim) – it is these Zionists themselves who by their racial hatred of Arabs are antisemitic! In other words: we should not make the word disappear (claiming that it is an oxymoron, which I would still like to see the demonstration of) because it will never be because the weapon will continue to be wielded by the genocidal zionists, we should turn it around and against them as they are the real antisemites! But of course we can only do so (and “ay, here is the rub”) if we ourselves, as Westerners, stop harbouring racial, ideological etc. resentments, aversions, hatred against those “black-bearded brown-skinned” Arabs of Hollywood lore ourselves. As long as we keep cherishing such feelings of antisemitism in. our bosom we will continue to be LIKE the genocidal Zionist antisemites! – and the latter will have a quite easy playing field in associating the Westerners' form of anti-Arab antisemitism with their form of it (in which they will be factually right!) while obviously "obliterating" as much as possible the very identification of "Arab-hating" with antisemitism.

[Dennis Leahy]

Michel, I'd not recommend trying to wield the Zionists big narrative weapon ("anti-semite!") against them. I've seen it attempted by writers (I've tried it myself), and everything quickly devolves into semantics and changes its focus. Even orthodox Jews get labeled as anti-semites when they expose Zionism.


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How else is Zionism sold in the modern era? How did Mike Johnson get infected? How did the Zionist neocons who wrote Project For A New American Century get infected? How did Biden get infected? How did Trump get infected?

[shaberon]

How else is Zionism sold in the modern era? How did Mike Johnson get infected? How did the Zionist neocons who wrote Project For A New American Century get infected? How did Biden get infected? How did Trump get infected?


Is it?

Aren't you either in or out of it?

If we need existential questions as to what it "is", we are still going uphill.

The "-ism" per se is derived from the nineteenth-century phrase "lovers of Zion", and has no real meaning prior to that.

I don't really know these people, so, I certainly have no example of anyone who "decided to join". As far as I know, it comes from Sunday School. Outside of that, I'm not sure, there are tendrils in most mental aspects of life, such as if we legally define "Anti-Semitism", it's not a church doctrine or anything other than to provoke me with words and tell me how to think. I might say the whole "sympathy ploy" has been "transferred to everyone", in the sense of equal opportunity or equal rights, etc., is all like a widespread bloom from the Zionist seed, even though it pertains to "you" rather than Israel. Everyone whose "rights" were tuned up is supposed to learn this "equity", such as the "right to self-defense" of the Occupation.

I'm not sure it's need for us is to "join" it, but simply not to "block" it; I would suggest what is being sold to the public is non-interference, stand down, look the other way.

That being said, it may be interesting to see who may have been "sucked in" to the strategy and how that happened.

[Michel Leclerc]

Dennis thank you. I understand what you are saying, but the point you are making is in my eyes a sufficient reason to use that argument all the time. I start (here, and in general) from the point of view that "genocidal killers of Amalekites” are psychotic serial killers and should be policed away as soon as possible. A last chance would be given in the form of an attempt to break the psychosis. Your sentence “Even orthodox Jews get labeled as anti-semites when they expose Zionism.” shows my point. Why would that be something one would wish to avoid ("Even...”). On the contrary, it should be provoked. The Orthodox Jews (you mean, of course, non-Zionist, "theologically non-Zionist” Jews (being therefore Jews!) should hear this argument "you are antisemites" in order to be able to reply with "but you are NOT Jews” (and hence your Israel construct has no justification etc.). In every discussion genocidal Zionists should be brought home to them that by their very use of language they have excluded themselves from humanity and become psychotic serial killers.

Two additional points:
In every discussion with Zionists (also, many years ago, with "non-psychotic murder-prone" Zionists) I have discovered that leading the discussing away from the intellectual approach (in which the Shapiro-style "semantic" manipulation of the discussion is resorted to because successful) and the triggering of emotional "episodes" leads to a fracture in the neurosis and occasionally psychosis. The reference to certain commandments linked with the witnessing of torture, killing etc. leads to denial: “I am NOT a sinner, I am not sinning by thinking that way” — “but the Prophets would call that sinning, HaShem does not like the aroma of burning flesh" – “I am not like that, I am no like that” etc. This phenomenon is interesting and a possible way out. The young IDF soldiers dancing and f..king away do so because doing so they evacuate their emotional reluctance or angst at following their own reasoning. So it is through the emotions that they can be accessed, I guess. (And my pushing the button "you are yourselves antisemites and antiJews" should avoid the semantics discussion and rather be used to break the emotional blockade.

(I add that one should not enter into such a discussion (in a "street setting") without a weapon with which one can if need be save one’s life (as seasoned demonstrators do when violent behaviour from the other side cannot be excluded.)

The second point is my answer to your question. It is the insidious playing with our suppressed guilt of being antisemites because Arab-haters ourselves that does the selling. “You are a good goj because you do not resist us and hence you are not an antisemite (like we are not, obviously), and you are a good goj because you are our ally in hating the Arabs and hence you are an antisemite like we are, obviously)". A classical double bind, in other words. Hate me because you love me and love me because you hate me. Don't be an antisemite by being an antisemite and be an antisemite because your are not an antisemite.

How can we not "buy" that? By not being antisemites ourselves (as Arab-haters and... as “non-Zionist-Jew"-haters).

"I am not like you. I do not want to kill the Amalekites. They are my neighhours. I want to make love to them."

If we are able to confront them without any form of racism (exceptionalism etc.), then that may contribute to their serial killer psychotic stance – which is of course untenable, but before it breaks it will still kill thousands and we should stop that – actually dissolving. Besides, if we show our real innocence in this, the non-genocidal Israelis may become more numerous and more brave and break the genocidal government’s logic and determination.

[Dennis Leahy]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3QVl3-VePFQ


"Combating Antisemitism Trump's Commitment To Jewish Americans"



source: https://youtube.com/shorts/3QVl3-VePFQ (https://youtube.com/shorts/3QVl3-VePFQ?si=5dLlVSslvUY5i9KO)




Here's another way to sell Zionism. "antisemitic propaganda" what exactly is "antisemitic propaganda"?

Zionism-1, Free Speech-0

Has Trump not paid attention to what AIPAC calls antisemitism? Everything not glowingly supportive of Israel, the IDF, Mossad, and Zionism, but mostly, it is pointedly rebranding any support for Palestine as antisemetic propaganda.

The dumbass Dems kept calling Trump a fascist when all along he was much worse, a zionist. Good God, he sounds stupid, having fallen hook line and sinker for Zionism. And whoever brainwashed this guy to fall for Zionism so hard should stand up and take a bow - you're the best brainwasher of all. The best. Really, the best.

[shaberon]

I have discovered that leading the discussing away from the intellectual approach (in which the Shapiro-style "semantic" manipulation of the discussion is resorted to because successful) and the triggering of emotional "episodes" leads to a fracture in the neurosis and occasionally psychosis...And my pushing the button "you are yourselves antisemites and antiJews" should avoid the semantics discussion and rather be used to break the emotional blockade.



That may summarize or help me say what I'm trying to say.

I politely refer to it as "being a little rude", which mixes well with actual humiliation.

That specific example to me is theoretical, since I have never personally experienced the inane misuse of "Semite". That is because I live in America and I am in over my ears with the followers of the Book of Revelations. I wish I could pretend that it would go away, and I can. But they keep following it. The history or even the reality of the situation does not matter, those words do. If it meant you had to sniff Pluto up your nose, they would try.

But yes, the forcefulness referred to above is significant, "fracture the neurosis" is really applicable to a wide array of human experiences, not just this. It's something you can sense, like how a good fisherman knows when to pull the hook and I mostly catch trees. I can shoot a basketball from range, but I can't do any of the stuff that makes you useful to a team. I do, however, have a thing for psychologically overpowering a human being, to the stage of a wreck if need be, remorselessly. It's not the same as foul language to make you mad. Perhaps more like quicksand.

Judging from my background, I am unlikely to drift into any discussion on political-correctness of Zionism. For me it will be the "demonic" thing, I will basically encounter superstitious people who know you are going straight to hell, and will be judged accordingly as an inferior being. As I have said, I live under a law that I can't talk to the neighbor, I have to be quiet and act dumb. If I was going to have the discussion, that is where it would be, and the people that know me know it would be a really bad idea.

I have to maintain the strangest kind of vows sometimes.

I have to be condescending here because the American phenomenon is the tv evangelist.

It's a low-order mentality which Europe does not generally reduce themselves to, so, I am practically positive there is nothing you can compare it to.

It definitely comes from an era 1967 Billy Graham made speeches to large audiences in New York and so on, and from there it moves to a weekly tv show, and there are others, the Bakers and so on, and it gets easier to open your own church. And there are waves of tent revivals and things like this. And it's kind of a craze, but it's not rock and roll. And eventually they try that too. I've met people who picked up the job, "preacher", while they were in prison. And there's a bit of a "born again" craze for some people. It is a strange ball of wax, like the necromancy of the 1800s.

So, in that era, you could accurately say that a lot of young people in their 20s got "converted", but, once it is up and running, it's just there as the families and communities.

This does not answer for the Mormons, but, yes, a few to a few million in a few years through the tv.

I think one of the things Trump said was also accurate, any politician "has to deal with" Israel favorably. It's an accepted standard, and I have little expectation that any of its main adherents were at any point taken or removed from a dissenting view. Even if they are not evangelicals, it is still a modus operandi.

I can't legally stop the indoctrination centers. I can only offer an alternative.

[Rizotto]

Thanks Dennis for starting this thread. It's an existential issue that needs to be dissected thoroughly.

Zionism = Israel lobby deception, lies, false flags wars endlessly dragging the US down to ruin, genocidal ethnic cleansing of arabs from the middle east and stealing/destroying everything they had, child-sex trafficking blackmail operations at high levels, etc. There, fixed the definition for you all. It's possible that zionism might at one time been defined as something else, like a safe country for jews. But not anymore. Zionism has made it much less safe to be a jew in Israel, and perhaps many other places in the world by now. There are consequences about brain washing your population into behaving like entitled murderous supremacists.

Defining zionism is ultimately tied to the definition of 'Jew'. Which is problematic because it's unclear to most as to whether 'jews' get classified as a race or religion, or both perhaps? I'm raising this 'race' issue only because Israel has in the past refused to accept Ethiopian Jews as Israeli citizens, apparently because they're black. But now Israel is happy to give them citizenship, if only they'll agree to go fight on the frontlines. And most likely die there. Just another indication of how fluid these definitions can get, when opportunism is the driving factor.

The US complicity in Israel's genocide of Palestinians has resulted in many, if not most, countries in the world distancing themselves from US, which increasing the global isolation of the US-Israel axis. And yet, I'm not aware that a single word has been spoken in Trump's circle about that critical issue. Nor among democrats either. The AIPAC stranglehold on US politicians is still very strong.

As for Trump's personal alignment with zionism, it does not appear to be something he thought out in any logical or moral manner. Has anybody heard him say anything else than the old cliches of 'we must help Israel defend itself' (... by bombing defenseless civilian populations). Come to think of it, there's nothing logical or moral about genociding your neighbors and grabbing their land, so we can't expect Trump to come up with some edifying statements on this. Not possible. Overall Trump's dalliance with zionism is most likely driven by opportunity. There's a lot of wealth to be made with real estate and oil markets once Israel has expanded into 'greater Israel'.

But let's face it, it is the sizeable 'zionist christians' movement in US making all of this possible. Too many members of US congress have expressed these beliefs publicly. It is mind-boggling to see that millions of americans are demanding complete subservience to Israel, based on biblical scriptures written thousands (or maybe a few dozen?) of years ago. I would not have believed this could be possible a short while ago, but I have seen this cult fervour with my own eyes in my community. It's the weirdest mind control. I normally don't interfere in other people's religious beliefs, but this is different. There is a very real collective danger building up with this cult. I'll never forget that video clip of Mike Pompeo back in 2018 speaking to an audience of zionist christians about getting Damascus destroyed, as per biblical prophecy.

The question is, what to do about this cult that is pushing for armageddon so they can get their 'rapture' reward.

[shaberon]

Zionism = Israel lobby deception, lies, false flags wars endlessly dragging the US down to ruin, genocidal ethnic cleansing of arabs from the middle east and stealing/destroying everything they had, child-sex trafficking blackmail operations at high levels, etc. There, fixed the definition for you all.


This became the formal policy of Irgun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism):


Revisionist Zionism is a form of Zionism characterized by territorial maximalism. Revisionist Zionism promoted expansionism and the establishment of a Jewish majority on both sides of the Jordan River.

Developed by Ze'ev Jabotinsky, this ideology advocated a "revision" of the "practical Zionism" of David Ben-Gurion and Chaim Weizmann which was focused on the settling of Eretz Yisrael (Land of Israel) by independent individuals. Differing from other types of Zionism, Revisionists insisted upon the Jewish right to sovereignty over the whole of Eretz Yisrael, which they equated to Mandatory Palestine and Transjordan. It was the main ideological opponent to the dominant socialist Labor Zionism.


There was prior militancy under Haganah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah) and other names, but, there, we will openly admit its transition to political power.

To go along with that, we found the far-right parties of the 1970s Israel built up, and then were actually legally banned there and declared terrorist organizations by the United States.

However, on behalf of Ben Gvir and others who are in power now, not only was the ban repealed, but, the terrorist designation was removed off of historical events and people.

So, there can still be such a thing as Zionists who oppose extremism, whereas "Revision" is "Nakba". Well, as outsiders, we might surmise the first few years might have been a grey area, maybe the Arabs were to blame or something, but by this point you should get a grip. Anyone would know something is wrong here.

In my experience, getting a straight answer from the establishment on anything like this is, as you say:


Not Possible.


There are no mental contents capable of interfacing with anything besides a pre-determined script.


The question is, what to do about this cult that is pushing for armageddon so they can get their 'rapture' reward.


The real answer I could give would have to be to restore Orthodoxy.

I personally would be glad to give plenty of encouragement for the Orthodox and Thomasene Apostolic Succession.

I live in a land of tv evangelists.


I am leery that addressing the cultism itself might be too slow of an issue, compared to what could be done to terminate these powers. Because it is a popular American constituency that is still in league with AIPAC, and very weird French and Czech counterparts. I am thinking the power or ability must be stopped, which will affect the whole. For example, Israeli defense allowance out of our taxes. On this one issue hangs perhaps the entirety of the parasite.

The next answer is suffering. If this strategy has consequences, such as sanctions backfire or hate breeds hate, sooner or later the cows come home to roost. Go through whatever x factor waits behind the curtain of collapse. I can't speak for other countries, but the US Fed knows it stays about three days ahead of collapse. For example, threaten Iranian oil, the price of gas spontaneously triples, start adding a few other things to that, whatever it takes. You see it every time. Looting begins in only a few days, and crime will rapidly spread unless you confine it. This is fine with vulture capitalists in some other countries, but not here. If something negatively affects money and food, disorder will prevail.

So it is not out of the question we may receive tremendous suffering, but not in a military sense. If the domestic situation implodes, then, the Zionist funding could be impeded. No invasion or attack on us would be necessary.

I don't know what happened to BDS, but I thought originally that was what "politically correct" meant.

For a while I was describing myself in ways similar to politicians and then I was surprised when my understanding was the opposite of their intention.

That's why I remember it fairly well, this slap in the face followed by insinuations about telling you how to talk. You'd say "it shouldn't spread through the institutions" and it spread through the institutions.

That's why Zionism sometimes looks as if it were part of a bubble bath of Liberal cheer, when in actuality it has been one of the most extreme far-right death squads since it started, before and aside from the Nazis.

Directly addressing hypnotizees of Revelations bears minimal effect, I think you can kind of swarm it and outbreed it i. e. with the rest of the planet. But, you know, it was on tv, these people are smart.

[Rizotto]

Thought to understand the problem it might be useful to look up exactly what motivates zionist christians. Just a bit of research led me to CUFI (Christians United for Israel), an organization located in the US, and its popular leader John Hagee. Apparently it's a big movement in the US. Perhaps the Americans on this page can tell us if CUFI is the main or central christian zionist organization in the US. (I personally have no idea, all of that stuff is completely foreign to me.) Is this the group that Trump has associated with?

Started to watch the following video, of John Hagee delivering a speech to a packed venue. He speaks the same language as those zionist christians in my community in northern Canada, so I'm guessing at this point that CUFI & John Hagee are where they get their world view from.

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Quoting the video's description:


"America did not enter WWII until Pearl Harbor. War was being waged for two years and three months before America was forced into the war. In one week, we went from a nation of peace to a nation fighting for survival. WWIII has started! The winds of war may blow in different directions, but sooner or later it will come to America. Russia wants to rebuild the USSR. What does the Bible say about the Russian invasion of Israel? Israel has a Defender who is prepared to defeat her enemies. He neither slumbers nor sleeps. God’s message to America, “The day you stop defending Israel is the day God stops defending you.” Jesus is coming, and He will reign forever! Are you ready?"

Pastor John Hagee - "Jerusalem and WWIII"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsoPkGd61I
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Your thoughts? Especially on these words from Hagee: “The day you stop defending Israel is the day God stops defending you.”

[Rizotto]

The above video is over 2 years old. There are more recent speeches by John Hagee, which I haven't watched yet, but they mostly appear to be about the end times, judging by the title. Curiously, all of those videos have the exact same time scale, 28:30. Here's one of them, dated October 24, 2024.
____________________________

Quoting video's description:

"America and the countries of the world are falling apart, laden with absolute corruption. Christ is coming for those who “eagerly” look for him, but many doubt his return. This deep dive through Scripture walks us through the signs of Jesus’ return."

Pastor John Hagee - "Seven Signs of His Coming"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Q0GWcwhCI

[Dennis Leahy]

There was a 'documentary' on Netflix a few years ago that I watched (just before I quit Netflix, for putting out a hit piece on Assange) on the Christian Zionism movement in the US. In a search just now, I found "'Til Kingdom Come", but I'm not sure if this is the same one. John Hagee is featured.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11405250/

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'Til Kingdom Come - Official Trailer


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and, something else that showed up on yootoob:

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How Evangelicals Betray Christians In The Holy Land [Pt. 2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHT-SjIM0tA

[shaberon]

John Hagee is featured.



This appears to be a tv evangelist.

I have doubts it would be so popular if these people had to wear rags and wander in the desert. Seems to be all for the "looks" and popularity like an insecure fifth-grader.

The meaning of "anti-Christ" is "any false representation of Christ", which these people are.

Orthodoxy (https://www.oca.org/questions/scripture/book-of-revelation) rejects taking Revelations out of context:



Before I begin addressing some of your concerns, point by point, I think that it is important to state that the Book of Revelation cannot be properly interpreted without understanding the historic context in which it was written. Traditionally ascribed to the hand of the Apostle John during his exile on Patmos, it is generally accepted that the book was written during the intense persecution of the Christian Faith during the tenure of Domitian, the Roman Emperor from 81 - 96 AD.

While the Book of Revelation does speak of events yet to come—such as the Second Coming of Our Lord—it is not a book that was written primarily to reveal contemporary or coming events. An example from recent history will help to make this point.

In the 1970s there was an extremely popular book titled “The Late Great Planet Earth” which allegedly “interpreted” the Book of Revelation. Among the things found in this book was the idea that Revelation was speaking about such things as the Soviet Union, nuclear attacks between the USSR and the US, etc.



This was largely ignored until very modern times. It got into the canon somewhat reluctantly, and is the only book of the New Testament that they do not read (https://www.reddit.com/r/OrthodoxChristianity/comments/q3xmcb/what_do_eastern_orthodox_believe_about_the_book/) as liturgy:




The EO bible does contain Revelation, but we don't read from it likely because it's a tremendously complex and mysterious text. It's all but guaranteed that any conclusions you draw from it are going to be wrong. I think the Church in her wisdom just wanted to avoid that.

The Quinisext Council (Synod in Trullo) in the eighth century didn't include it in the list of canonical books. It was more popular in the West, and accepted into the canon much earlier there.


Studying it carefully for whatever it may have really been about, might be permissible. The way it is being used is at best highly, highly, inappropriate, but probably is more like pure blasphemy due to "someone's own interpretation" of the Bible.

As far as I can tell, this all qualifies as Anti-Christian regurgitation by primarily English speakers.

[Michel Leclerc]

I have discovered that leading the discussing away from the intellectual approach (in which the Shapiro-style "semantic" manipulation of the discussion is resorted to because successful) and the triggering of emotional "episodes" leads to a fracture in the neurosis and occasionally psychosis...And my pushing the button "you are yourselves antisemites and antiJews" should avoid the semantics discussion and rather be used to break the emotional blockade.



That may summarize or help me say what I'm trying to say.

I politely refer to it as "being a little rude", which mixes well with actual humiliation.

That specific example to me is theoretical, since I have never personally experienced the inane misuse of "Semite". That is because I live in America and I am in over my ears with the followers of the Book of Revelations. I wish I could pretend that it would go away, and I can. But they keep following it. The history or even the reality of the situation does not matter, those words do. If it meant you had to sniff Pluto up your nose, they would try.

But yes, the forcefulness referred to above is significant, "fracture the neurosis" is really applicable to a wide array of human experiences, not just this. It's something you can sense, like how a good fisherman knows when to pull the hook and I mostly catch trees. I can shoot a basketball from range, but I can't do any of the stuff that makes you useful to a team. I do, however, have a thing for psychologically overpowering a human being, to the stage of a wreck if need be, remorselessly. It's not the same as foul language to make you mad. Perhaps more like quicksand.

Judging from my background, I am unlikely to drift into any discussion on political-correctness of Zionism. For me it will be the "demonic" thing, I will basically encounter superstitious people who know you are going straight to hell, and will be judged accordingly as an inferior being. As I have said, I live under a law that I can't talk to the neighbor, I have to be quiet and act dumb. If I was going to have the discussion, that is where it would be, and the people that know me know it would be a really bad idea.

I have to maintain the strangest kind of vows sometimes.

I have to be condescending here because the American phenomenon is the tv evangelist.

It's a low-order mentality which Europe does not generally reduce themselves to, so, I am practically positive there is nothing you can compare it to.

It definitely comes from an era 1967 Billy Graham made speeches to large audiences in New York and so on, and from there it moves to a weekly tv show, and there are others, the Bakers and so on, and it gets easier to open your own church. And there are waves of tent revivals and things like this. And it's kind of a craze, but it's not rock and roll. And eventually they try that too. I've met people who picked up the job, "preacher", while they were in prison. And there's a bit of a "born again" craze for some people. It is a strange ball of wax, like the necromancy of the 1800s.

So, in that era, you could accurately say that a lot of young people in their 20s got "converted", but, once it is up and running, it's just there as the families and communities.

This does not answer for the Mormons, but, yes, a few to a few million in a few years through the tv.

I think one of the things Trump said was also accurate, any politician "has to deal with" Israel favorably. It's an accepted standard, and I have little expectation that any of its main adherents were at any point taken or removed from a dissenting view. Even if they are not evangelicals, it is still a modus operandi.

I can't legally stop the indoctrination centers. I can only offer an alternative.

Thank you Shaberon. I resonate with all your points here. “Being a little rude”, yes — maybe not in the “psychologically overpowering” way, but int the physical way. Touching the other person. If they recoil – because they are only in their head, or as they would say “in their heart” (is the heart of what I call the heart-dead still a heart?) – no worries, we are on the good track. It can be there for even themselves to see, that they are "body-dead". That they have the "armoured personality” (“Gepanzerte Persönlichkeit”) which Freud's disciple Wilhelm Reich (a Jew!) so brilliantly described. Armoured because unwilling to mix "body fluids" (and not just "vibes", as the prudish New Agers would say) – and of course we know how Reich got persecuted by the Maccarthyan US – he had too clairvoyantly perceived the "fascist because racist" nature of the US dominant cultural layers.

With the term "racism" we are at the bottom of it all. Dennis writes that "Zionism" is worse than fascism. I would say that they differ in degree only within the enveloping category of racism. So the problematic of Zionism dovetails with that other discussion, where things got stuck because people generally would prefer to have that debate “in their head" – and as it is at the level of the body that its solution is to be sought, the discussion should also be willing to access that through feeling the physical resonances it generates. How do you vanquish racist attitudes? By inviting the “race hater” to go and have a swim with the “race hated one”. To go to the gym together, to run. To climb a mountain together, something I have no experience of. Sports, in other words. Saunas, sweating lodges. By showering together and dropping all misguided modesty. And the most beautiful of sports: to make love together.

This physical confrontation leads to the real root of the problem. “Don’t touch me!!” as the strongest argument in the debate. Most people have ruined sex lives. I more or less suspected that when a kid, and it was confirmed my entire life, and by my gurus. Ruined, their sex lives that is, since their childhood. By parents and relatives and by those preachers you refer to – (a phenomenon unknown in Europe). Entire reasoning cascades built around the "stubbornly perceived" “physical otherness” of the other. And around the panic fear of the Other’s body.

Genocidal Zionism is the ultimate form of that “Other’s body-hating” because “Own-body-hating” neurosis turned into a millionfold psychosis. “How many times have you made love to an Arab (man/woman?” is the question debates should be broken up with. Have you watched porn where they perform? Oh, never. Had a meal in a Palestinian restaurant then, maybe? Etc.

The social environment of “Israel” and any American state is of course different but both kinds (“Christian” and “Jewish”) of homicidal Zionists’ crippled attitude towards their and "others” ’ bodies is the same.

But as said before: your hand may stretch itself out or be ready to caress, but had better also know a few martial art moves.

[Hermoor]

"Israel is not a project about Palestine. Israel is a Zionist project about controlling the whole Middle East from the Euphrates to the Nile."

Professor Mazin Qumsiyeh.

Prof. Qumsiyeh was born in 1957 and is one of Palestine's foremost academics. His CV is as broad as it is profound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazin_Qumsiyeh

I can highly recommend his recent interview with Tony Gosling. It ranges from the Crusades to today; the history of Zionism; the nature of the Israeli-Palestine war; fascinating information on Netanyahu, his father and their connections; genocide; colonialism; concentration camps and plenty more. It is a mini masterclass.

I don't take all of Prof. Qumsiyeh's information as being 100% correct. I'm too battle scarred for that. Yet he does offer a potent perspective on crucially important issues.

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Returning to the quote at the start of this post, it is also worth bearing in mind the Israeli flag and its symbolism. There is so much to unpack in it we could be here for days.

https://www.theflagshop.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1aa45e34d8351bef7860daeb50e7952c/i/s/isreal-flag-std.jpg

I chose this image specifically because the background here is partially symbolic of the flag's innate symbolism.

It's not just any shade of blue. It is 'tekhelet' blue. In Hebrew it means 'perfection'.

The blue lines at the top and bottom symbolise the rivers Nile and Euphrates, so they say. I see the Red Sea and probably the Persian Gulf in there too.

The white lines above and below the blue lines have meaning(s) too of course, but I'm still trying to get a basic handle on them. Much the same can be said for the large white rectangular section in the middle.

Further symbolism is denoted by the flag when it is rotated 90 degrees. I can perhaps see Jachin and Boaz in there too.

As for the "Star of David". Well, it is and it isn't. That's the most rabbit holey part of the flag for me at least.

There's more here, but you'll have to scroll to the foot of the page to get to one of the many punchlines to be found in this particular rabbit warren of symbolism.

https://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/masonic-blue.html

[ExomatrixTV]

Ben Shapiro Asked About Candace Owens Departure: My Analysis On His Answer:

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Did Ben just admit that DW employees need to swear loyalty to that country that shall not be named? Used to be a Ben fan, but he’s full of ****. He’s comparing apples to oranges. Her position is not outside of the realm of conservatism, and if he actually believes that, then he’s more of an idiot than I thought. He also knows if he says what his position is, it will be wildly unpopular. To add to that, he’s really rich for being so easily offended, playing the victim, and overusing “antisemitism” but preaching to the black community all these years about rising above that. Hypocrite.

The fact that so many in US government, (you know, paid by the US taxpayer citizens), are also citizens of Israel is a REAL problem. I believe it creates a potential conflict of interest. We should outlaw dual citizenship (of any country!) for any elected official of the US . I am pro Israel as in the people group. I'm getting more and more info that the nation state of Israel is probably not really our friend. I'm currently semi-neutral on the nation state of Israel, pending clearer info as it is a very complicated and truly hard to get the truth on.

Why doesn’t Candace just sue for wrongful termination? Then it all comes out during discovery?

Mark Dice has been saying the same for over a decade.

[gini]

I think this fits here .
In this recent interview Piers Morgan tries to 'expose ' Dan Bilzerian as a 'brazen anti-semite' for his -fact based - opinions about the political power of the Zionist , the many historical lies and the strong jewish lobby,shows how Piers (representing mainstream establishment) tries to 'sell Zionism' by framing his opinions as 'Nazi'propaganda. --KICYv4O03CA--33 min--13 Nov 2024 --
'Poker player, businessman and social media influencer Dan Bilzerian seems to find success, whatever he pursues. Young men throughout the world flocked to his Instagram page, hoping some of his hedonistic escapades might somehow make their way through their phone screens. However, the multi-millionaire is not the same man he was 10 years ago, leaving his playboy lifestyle behind for marriage.

In his own words, Bilzerian "longer gives a sh*t". He has come out as a fierce critic of not just Israel, but Judaism. In this shocking interview, Piers Morgan finds himself vehemently challenging the things he's hearing, that swing wildly from legitimate concern for the people of Gaza, to outright, debunked, antisemitic conspiracy theories. It's not called Uncensored for nothing... '

00:00 Tease
01:00 Introduction
06:00 On "Hamas Heroes"
14:00 Piers calls Dan out on his antisemitic conspiracy theories
21:45 Dan disputes Holocaust numbers
25:55 "Are you just a brazen antisemite, Dan?"

[shaberon]

“Being a little rude”, yes — maybe not in the “psychologically overpowering” way, but int the physical way. Touching the other person. If they recoil – because they are only in their head, or as they would say “in their heart” (is the heart of what I call the heart-dead still a heart?) – no worries, we are on the good track. It can be there for even themselves to see, that they are "body-dead". That they have the "armoured personality”...


"In the head" is about equal to what I am calling "words", imaginary words that do not correlate to reality beyond one's individual belief in them.

Technically, yes, of course, almost anyone "could" be rehabilitated.

I come from a different sub-category of experiences that I suppose are difficult to relate to. For example, my main discipline was to directly maim or kill.

Categorically, by far, rather than physical conflicts, I have borne witness to hundreds, more likely thousands, of human conflicts of the personal type, arguments and crimes and the like. Therefor I have "used psychological weapons" in sometimes very difficult and rather serious circumstances, that have nothing to do with evolving a philosophical discussion.

If anyone would like to use a psychological weapon, you must aim it at American Thanksgiving. Folks, the Pilgrims are the original Christian Zionists from Oliver Cromwell. We fought a Revolution to get rid of this shackle, and then they re-married America back to Britain in the nineteenth century and even named the society for it. We are running the same hamster wheel from the 1600s which is Stupid. I'm not going to put Wall Street on a pedestal and say "Indians, fall colors turn leaves zzzzz...", I just say "thank you" if anyone says something to me about it. Otherwise, it has been ejected from my consciousness.

Christmas has half an excuse, because it might be linked to persons of a saintly nature, or death and resurrection of the sun god, there's something salvageable. Puritans don't really portray a healthy mind-body connection.

The sense of being fascistic is to trample the poor of any race.

"Racist" in this context means to exterminate Arabs of any social status.

The Israeli flag is made of stolen symbols.

Other English-speaking countries have something called "Thanksgiving" that I do not know what it is based on; ours is morbid.

[Tintin]

Thank you Tintin. Two points.

One. May I just ask you to explain “Zionist terrorist entryists”? Do you mean "entering" Zionist terrorists? (“Entering into Europe", that is.) Because "entryists" would mean something like "people convinced that "entry" (e.g. into Europe) is something to be aspired to achieved, preached etc.”. Adherents of an ideology centered on "entering", in other words.


Michel, hi: apologies for the delay in response. It was actually Professor Miller that used that expression, not I. I'd simply copied his X "entry", if you like :).

I am assuming your explanation, "..entering into Europe.." is precisely what he meant... until, I found this:


Entryism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism): Entryism (also called entrism, enterism, infiltration, a French Turn, boring from within, or boring-from-within) is a political strategy in which an organization or state encourages its members or supporters to join another, usually larger, organization in an attempt to expand influence and expand their ideas and program. If the organization being "entered" is hostile to entryism, the entryists may engage in a degree of subterfuge and subversion to hide the fact that they are an organization in their own right.

And this:


"Entryism sui generis" or "deep entryism"
After the end of World War 2, Michel Pablo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Pablo) - then in the Leadership of the Fourth International - proposed a tactic of long-term entry into the "mass-parties of the working class", primarily because the meagre prospects of building independent parties in the post-war circumstances. This would primarily prevent the tiny propaganda-circles of the Trotskyist movement becoming sectarian circles, isolated from the working class.[4]

The organizations were understood to retain their political identity and their own press.

The sui generis ("of a special type") variant did contain the difference that, where their own political identity could not be maintained, the group would maintain an independent presence, which would primarily aid the task of entry.[5]

In Europe, that was the approach used, for example, by The Club and later Socialist Action in the Labour Party,[6] and by Fourth Internationalists inside the Communist Parties. In France, Trotskyist organizations, most notably the Parti des Travailleurs and its predecessors, have successfully entered trade unions and mainstream left-wing parties.

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To reiterate Dennis' point on certain attributions, that is, as clarified here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123790-Selling-Zionism-the-modern-era&p=1641543&viewfull=1#post1641543),

Quote, Dennis Leahy, below:


"Saying that the US is devolving into "Marxism!", "socialism", or "communism" is a red herring, using trigger words (to obfuscate the logic center of the brain in favor of the emotional center in the brain). Connect the dots - it's been Zionism all along

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It's what I'd determined years ago to be the case as well. I would also add 'Nazism' to that too: another bastard progeny (of Zionism).

[Jim_Duyer]

In 2008, Pastor John Hagee claimed that the anti-Christ will be "a homosexual" and "partially Jewish, as was Adolf Hitler". He's a keeper. :worried:

[haroldsails]

I would say things...I have opinions about the subject, but I really am self censoring on this because of fear of reprisal. I resent being coerced by a lifetime of propaganda/conditioning by the PTB. This is where they want us.....so I comply, and that bothers me.
I don't detest Christianity, but I sure do have issues with certain of his followers . I believe them to be brainwashed at best.

[haroldsails]

I need to be more specific here - I have issues with Christian Zionists who (IMO) are enabling death and destruction on an industrial scale. How did we get so sick?

[Michel Leclerc]

(...)

As for the "Star of David". Well, it is and it isn't. That's the most rabbit holey part of the flag for me at least.

There's more here, but you'll have to scroll to the foot of the page to get to one of the many punchlines to be found in this particular rabbit warren of symbolism.

https://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/masonic-blue.html

Thank you Hermoor.

Yes. But try as they may (and they fled Europe Eastwards, whereas the daughter of the King of Tyre, Europa, was taken on Zeus’ back to the West precisely – because the Sun does not go back East to set, it sets in the West, where Atlantis sleeps below the waves...) this beautiful blue colour culled from so many dead molluscs is NOT the colour of the Gods. They are coloured a softer, more transparent blue, as is most beautifully evidenced in the Greek flag.

(Besides, the author’s rambling about the Bible etc. to justify Masonic blue: the Bible is a quilt of myths and stories the patching together of which dates back to more or less 300 BC. Commissioned by the Ptolemaeans and/or imitated from their "sacred" literature.)

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Tintin. Two points.

One. May I just ask you to explain “Zionist terrorist entryists”? Do you mean "entering" Zionist terrorists? (“Entering into Europe", that is.) Because "entryists" would mean something like "people convinced that "entry" (e.g. into Europe) is something to be aspired to achieved, preached etc.”. Adherents of an ideology centered on "entering", in other words.


Michel, hi: apologies for the delay in response. It was actually Professor Miller that used that expression, not I. I'd simply copied his X "entry", if you like :).

I am assuming your explanation, "..entering into Europe.." is precisely what he meant... until, I found this:


Entryism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism): Entryism (also called entrism, enterism, infiltration, a French Turn, boring from within, or boring-from-within) is a political strategy in which an organization or state encourages its members or supporters to join another, usually larger, organization in an attempt to expand influence and expand their ideas and program. If the organization being "entered" is hostile to entryism, the entryists may engage in a degree of subterfuge and subversion to hide the fact that they are an organization in their own right.

And this:


"Entryism sui generis" or "deep entryism"
After the end of World War 2, Michel Pablo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Pablo) - then in the Leadership of the Fourth International - proposed a tactic of long-term entry into the "mass-parties of the working class", primarily because the meagre prospects of building independent parties in the post-war circumstances. This would primarily prevent the tiny propaganda-circles of the Trotskyist movement becoming sectarian circles, isolated from the working class.[4]

The organizations were understood to retain their political identity and their own press.

The sui generis ("of a special type") variant did contain the difference that, where their own political identity could not be maintained, the group would maintain an independent presence, which would primarily aid the task of entry.[5]

In Europe, that was the approach used, for example, by The Club and later Socialist Action in the Labour Party,[6] and by Fourth Internationalists inside the Communist Parties. In France, Trotskyist organizations, most notably the Parti des Travailleurs and its predecessors, have successfully entered trade unions and mainstream left-wing parties.

(...)



Tintin! Thank you very much, I have only just seen your answer. I owe you an apology – I vaguely suspected you of having concocted a neologism yourself – and God knows that I think that I am the only person entitled to do so.

The definition is quite interesting because it plays with an English/Latin pun on Greek. Superficially, entryism is, obviously then, what I thought it might be – derived rom the English "entry", which comes from French "entrée", which itself directly comes from Latin “intra” between, inwards) and "intrare" (to enter). But there we have the pun on Greek: enterism, which would derivefrom Greek “enteros”, the Latin "interior”, yes, but with the connotation of "more inner" – and so we get the "boring from within" – like the worm in the apple. Yes it "enters" from without, but then sits quiet for some time in the core of the targeted fruit, grows, and bores its way out for all to be seen.

Not Trotzky, no – but Gramsci, I would say.

An excellent strategy on all accounts.

[Michel Leclerc]

Reacting to Jim Duyer’s

In 2008, Pastor John Hagee claimed that the anti-Christ will be "a homosexual" and "partially Jewish, as was Adolf Hitler". He's a keeper.


Jim! How thoughtful of you!

I’ll mail my c.v. immediately!

[shaberon]

Quote, Dennis Leahy, below:


"Saying that the US is devolving into "Marxism!", "socialism", or "communism" is a red herring, using trigger words (to obfuscate the logic center of the brain in favor of the emotional center in the brain). Connect the dots - it's been Zionism all along

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It's what I'd determined years ago to be the case as well. I would also add 'Nazism' to that too: another bastard progeny (of Zionism).



Yes, but, in this case, we don't need possibly misleading socio-political constructs.

The physical entity, Bank of England, has been functional since 1694.

During this time, all British governments have carried Cromwell's policy forward. The Bank exclusively finances the operation.


You could perhaps say the nineteenth century saw the invention of a lot of "words" as "reality". I get the sense that mankind thinks "modern progress" means older knowledge is invalid. But most of these "updates" are conjectural or fiat, and mostly serve to lead one astray.

As an example, since an archetypal Anti-Christ End Times person is a superstition, the real meaning is the attitude and actions of those who follow made-up garbage about Jesus, which is something we see plainly manifests.

For the most part, I can only keep giving the same response, whereas everything "modern" about it, is just looking at a bunch of noxious bubbles floating up in the sea of the Bank.

[Dennis Leahy]

Quote, Dennis Leahy, below:
"Saying that the US is devolving into "Marxism!", "socialism", or "communism" is a red herring, using trigger words (to obfuscate the logic center of the brain in favor of the emotional center in the brain). Connect the dots - it's been Zionism all along--------

It's what I'd determined years ago to be the case as well. I would also add 'Nazism' to that too: another bastard progeny (of Zionism).



Yes, but, in this case, we don't need possibly misleading socio-political constructs.

The physical entity, Bank of England, has been functional since 1694.

During this time, all British governments have carried Cromwell's policy forward. The Bank exclusively finances the operation.


You could perhaps say the nineteenth century saw the invention of a lot of "words" as "reality". I get the sense that mankind thinks "modern progress" means older knowledge is invalid. But most of these "updates" are conjectural or fiat, and mostly serve to lead one astray.

As an example, since an archetypal Anti-Christ End Times person is a superstition, the real meaning is the attitude and actions of those who follow made-up garbage about Jesus, which is something we see plainly manifests.

For the most part, I can only keep giving the same response, whereas everything "modern" about it, is just looking at a bunch of noxious bubbles floating up in the sea of the Bank.


I don't think a warning about Cromwell or the Bank of England is going to play very well, in the USA, Inc. in 2024. It's not just the normies that have been subjected to decades and decades of sophisticated (Jewish-controlled media) narrative control for the world to see Israel as the eternal victims, hated by all Arabs, that just want the mean Palestinian kids to stop throwing rocks at their tanks - not the Zionist agenda. It would be plenty enough of a miracle to alert enough people about the Zionist agenda and Zionist control of the USA, Inc. to get the Deep State to even slow down the Zio-metastasis.

[Jim_Duyer]

Reacting to Jim Duyer’s

In 2008, Pastor John Hagee claimed that the anti-Christ will be "a homosexual" and "partially Jewish, as was Adolf Hitler". He's a keeper.


Jim! How thoughtful of you!

I’ll mail my c.v. immediately!

"He's a keeper" is an old, off-hand, negative comment, meant in humor. The first smiley image I have ever used online and I grabbed the wrong one! But even if you wish to apply, I would feel that you would not suit the requirements in any way.

[ExomatrixTV]

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source (https://x.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1857128771419300012)

[Tintin]

Here's a terrific example of selling Judaism, the antithesis of Zionism:



"The Talmud says: Kesubos 111a
The Almighty decreed upon the Jews to undertake 3 oaths: 1. Not to go up en masse, by force, to the Holy Land. 2. Not to rebel against the ruling nations of the time. 3. Not to, in any way, attempt to end the exile.

The Talmud warns the Jews that if they do not adhere to the aforementioned 3 oaths, the Almighty will disown us and throw our flesh like that of animals in the fields.

True Jews believe that Jewish suffering during World War II was a punishment for not resisting the cursed Zionist Movement, which, in 1917, began occupying the holy Land and oppressing the Palestinians; violations of the 3 oaths."

I should remember this Rabbi's name (https://x.com/TorahJudaism/status/1857088763018526874) but unfortunately don't immediately.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1857088709562101760/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/8DvQveAUcCk9WDgo.mp4?tag=12

[Michel Leclerc]

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source (https://x.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1857128771419300012)


Thank you John. This is an excellent brief synthesis. I cannot find the identity of this man. I guess I am looking at the wrong spot. Do you know?

Freud’s Der Mann Moses und die monotheistische Religion. His last work. In the last year of his life he was very anxious to know what his friends and colleagues thought about it. “Prominent” Jews mostly endorsed him. In a moving letter Einstein for instance.

The “African man” states that Africa gave the Jewish religion to the world. With pride. The stylistic figure which makes him say "Africa” for Egypt and, underlying that, “black Africa” for Africa (I am using a similar rhetorical device here by using "black" for all shades of brown (a Rwandese neighbour of mine used to say “I am not black, I am chocolate brown”)) makes a point which is supported by history: quite a number of Egyptian pharaohs and dynasties were “black”-skinned.

Based upon this fact, Martin Bernal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bernal) built his thesis that “black Egypt" (beside the Semites) decisively influenced “classical Antiquity” – especially (his main point) “white” Greece. Thesis excitingly called Black Athena (a few volumes), which I highly recommend.

[Michel Leclerc]

Here's a terrific example of selling Judaism, the antithesis of Zionism:





(...)

True Jews believe that Jewish suffering during World War II was a punishment for not resisting the cursed Zionist Movement, which, in 1917, began occupying the holy Land and oppressing the Palestinians; violations of the 3 oaths."



Yes Tintin. The Shoah is a punishment for our sins – and the worst sin is... the nationalist ("national socialist”!) political distortion made by atheist Jewish "intellectuals”.

Consider that this is also related to language. Biblical Hebrew (being a dialect form of Canaanite, as Phoenician is etc.) is not the progenitor of modern-day Israel Ivrit, which is rather an offshoot of Aramean. (My Aramean Christian friends in Brussels understood Ivrit without issues: to them it was a dialect of Aramean, written in a weird alphabet.) Hence the pious orthodox non Zionist Jews use their "host nation”'s language – or Yiddish (a Jewish "adaptation" of German) – or one of the adaptations of modern-day Mediterranean languages (Romance, Greek...).

[ExomatrixTV]

1857128771419300012


source (https://x.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1857128771419300012)



Thank you John. This is an excellent brief synthesis. I cannot find the identity of this man. I guess I am looking at the wrong spot. Do you know?


Kwame Ture (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Kwame%20Ture); born with the name: Stokely Standiford Churchill Carmichael; Port of Spain, Trinidad & Tobago, 29 June 1941, died in Conakry, Guinea, 15 November 1998 being 57 years old. He was among others Chairman of SNCC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_Nonviolent_Coordinating_Committee) and Black Power (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_power_movement) until both of these resistance organizations kicked him out (possible due to FBI infiltration).

I do not agree with other things he publicly stated, especially when he is obviously using "neo-Marxist (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115763-American-Marxism)" rhetoric but he is also targeted by COINTELPRO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO) (FBI) see here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokely_Carmichael)! ... So we have to be careful what "authorities" claim anything about him, how he is framed by perception managers serving tunnel vision narratives.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Tintin]

Here's a terrific example of selling Judaism, the antithesis of Zionism:





(...)

True Jews believe that Jewish suffering during World War II was a punishment for not resisting the cursed Zionist Movement, which, in 1917, began occupying the holy Land and oppressing the Palestinians; violations of the 3 oaths."



Yes Tintin. The Shoah is a punishment for our sins – and the worst sin is... the nationalist ("national socialist”!) political distortion made by atheist Jewish "intellectuals”.

Consider that this is also related to language. Biblical Hebrew (being a dialect form of Canaanite, as Phoenician is etc.) is not the progenitor of modern-day Israel Ivrit, which is rather an offshoot of Aramean. (My Aramean Christian friends in Brussels understood Ivrit without issues: to them it was a dialect of Aramean, written in a weird alphabet.) Hence the pious orthodox non Zionist Jews use their "host nation”'s language – or Yiddish (a Jewish "adaptation" of German) – or one of the adaptations of modern-day Mediterranean languages (Romance, Greek...).

Many thanks for this, which is very interesting indeed, I have to say. That you also have friends who are Aramean is also a wonderful revelation: we could learn much from them, and you, as a kind of go-between here :sun:

[shaberon]

I don't think a warning about Cromwell or the Bank of England is going to play very well, in the USA, Inc. in 2024. It's not just the normies that have been subjected to decades and decades of sophisticated (Jewish-controlled media) narrative control for the world to see Israel as the eternal victims, hated by all Arabs, that just want the mean Palestinian kids to stop throwing rocks at their tanks - not the Zionist agenda. It would be plenty enough of a miracle to alert enough people about the Zionist agenda and Zionist control of the USA, Inc. to get the Deep State to even slow down the Zio-metastasis.


It may or may not.

I will be the first to admit I have no idea what "normal" people are, so, I only know how to interface with the ideas themselves. Adjusting someone's attitude on a personal level is a different thing.


Well, if part of the needed response would be to focus on "America only", this may be easily done. It starts with:



Blackstone Memorial 1891 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone_Memorial)--ignored by Presidents Harrison and T. Roosevelt.

Guess who approved it?

Mr. Federal Reserve, Woodrow "Rubber Stamp" Wilson.

First version signed by:



...431 prominent citizens from those cities: financiers John D. Rockefeller and J. P. Morgan, future President William McKinley, and Chief Justice Melville Fuller; many members of Congress; the editors of all major newspapers in those five cities, including the still-extant The Boston Globe, The New York Times, Chicago Tribune, The Philadelphia Inquirer, and The Washington Post; and a long list of university and seminary presidents, mayors, and leading businessmen.


The State Department "lost" it!

Doesn't matter as the Chicago Tribune printed it.

Here is the whole thing (https://www.lifeinmessiah.org/blackstone-memorial). Go through it and you also find this signatory:

E. House


sound familiar?

One problem with this first plan was that it was "too international"--France and Italy would have had a hand in it. Secondly those presidents were not very religious. That is all that is found here. Money? They expected the Jews to take on the debts of the Ottoman Empire! Their main role was to be that very farming that they did not generally do anywhere.

It is simply owed to them after 1700 years due to belief.


Though part of the same movement, British Zionism saw itself as the center of the world.


Oh? Yes, it was already a "thing", nobody had to start a petition.


The second version of Blackstone was not presented publicly to Wilson--from a report (http://www.jewish-american-society-for-historic-preservation.org/images/Brandeis_Blackstone_article.pdf) about it:


Recently, a major history of the life of Louis Brandeis has been published. The work has received
repeated accolades by media and other academics. There is not one word about Brandeis and
Blackstone in the book. Attending a lecture about the book and Justice Brandeis in Washington, D.C.
by the author, I asked about Reverend Blackstone during the question and answer session. The
moment the name Blackstone came up, I was cut off by the lecturer. He responded curtly, that was
1891 and had nothing to do with Brandeis. I followed up immediately about Brandeis using
Blackstone to manipulate Wilson for Zionism. The Professor disparaged Wilson’s faith as a cynical
public response and confirmed again that Blackstone was of no import to the audience’s snickers.


Brandeis--Bohemian Jew. Wilson--Presbyterian. For the author:

The Blackstone’s were the first white settlers of Boston.


As you can see this is mostly Chicago and the northeast. Just not the Catholics.



Contemporary historians have almost entirely ignored, forgotten or even deliberately marginalized
Blackstone’s crucial role in Zionist and American history. Anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian sources
actively remember him but with vitriol. Why?

They believed:


America was the bastion of faith in a better tomorrow but America also was not willing to become the
New Zion for the world’s millions of Jews.


which is not true, since over a million came, and hardly any went to Palestine.


Not even the old established, dominant, assimilated
American German Jews wanted the hordes of Russian Jews, whom many of them distained, flooding
onto American shores. They feared it could kindle American anti-Semitism and threaten their own hard
won acceptance and toleration.



A few more excerpts:



Unable to secure any supportive information from the State Department, Brandeis on his own,
independently spent hours researching secondary and news media sources for information on the
Blackstone Memorial. Amongst the Brandeis papers are 47 pages of personal hand written and
researched documents confirming Brandeis’ perception of the importance of the Blackstone Memorial.
That Brandeis would devote so much time and personal effort to researching and understanding the
Blackstone Memorial cannot be understated.

“Historians of our present theme – how Woodrow Wilson was won to the Zionist cause – occupy
themselves almost entirely with the story of the comings and goings of the diplomats and the
courtiers….. Yet there is another element in this story which, though almost totally ignored by most
of the historians, was taken with the greatest of seriousness by the Zionist principals at the time –
and that is Wilson’s religious motivation. Indeed, both Louis Brandeis and Stephen Wise later said,
for record, that what guaranteed the victory for the Zionists was not their greater skill in playing the
political and diplomatic game, but their success in appealing to Woodrow Wilson’s biblically based
Christian faith.”

On October 16 the British intelligence chief in New York wired London: ''Colonel House put the formula
before the President who approves of it but asks that no mention of his approval shall be made when
His Majesty's Government makes formula public, as he had arranged the American Jews shall then ask
him for approval, which he will publicly give here."

Reverend Blackstone spent 57
years of his life writing, speaking, preaching and encouraging Zionism. He spoke out actively and
aggressively against anti-Semitism focusing in particular on the hatred spread by Henry Ford in his
advocacy for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Reverend Blackstone used Brandeis and the Memorial to advance his religious goals.
Reverend Blackstone and the Blackstone Memorial of 1891 and 1916 are almost forgotten today.
Historians of American Zionism and of Louis Brandeis almost never mention Blackstone.


Almost everything in there is very predictable.

Along with the English Puritans, we may thank the first family of Boston.


America managed to squeak out a close copy of the British idea, putting on some theater to make it look like the American Jews were independently doing the right thing through the federal government.

Comparatively, Ford is more like the British Fascists.

As we see, American Zionism of 1891 is almost exclusively Wall Street, it gains political advancement although it does not have much popular support until the era of television, 1960s, with Billy Graham, etc., which I would call highly transformative.

[Dennis Leahy]

Shaberon, I admire your academically and historically-focused exposition of Zionism and its foundation. What I was trying to say is that very few people will take that deep dive - it's "pearls before swine" to most folks. Un-coupling Zionism from Judaism might be a more powerful vector for intellectual discussion than Zionism's origins. If people think Zionism is good/positive, it won't matter to them just how Zionism is currently being sold, such as the bikini clad Zionists in the opening post. Think of Caitlin Johnstone's reminders to us to observe the narrative control of the artificial narrative being pumped-out. Seems to me it would be more powerful, more transformative, to expose Zionism's fallacies and exceptionalism as a currently metastasizing, apartheid political ideology, rather than the demonic/archonic underpinnings of Zionism's history.

[Michel Leclerc]

Shaberon, I admire your academically and historically-focused exposition of Zionism and its foundation. What I was trying to say is that very few people will take that deep dive - it's "pearls before swine" to most folks. Un-coupling Zionism from Judaism might be a more powerful vector for intellectual discussion than Zionism's origins. If people think Zionism is good/positive, it won't matter to them just how Zionism is currently being sold, such as the bikini clad Zionists in the opening post. Think of Caitlin Johnstone's reminders to us to observe the narrative control of the artificial narrative being pumped-out. Seems to me it would be more powerful, more transformative, to expose Zionism's fallacies and exceptionalism as a currently metastasizing, apartheid political ideology, rather than the demonic/archonic underpinnings of Zionism's history.

Yes Dennis, most certainly that is true. It is especially true when one believes, as I do, that the key to “turning around” (Christian) Zionists is the emotional and physical level, which is the motor of conversion. “And he wept bitterly”, the Gospel says about one of the listeners to Jesus’ words. He was not strong enough to follow him.. but he realised his sins. Remorse, in other words: “key” to Heaven (!) – on earth and in the afterlife. I think we should fully “use” the ("sentimental”) music of feelings. “If a Palestinian is a dog, well: excellent – you love your dog, don’t you?” Rekindle the spirit, or feeling, or physical impulse of pity, compassion, protectiveness.. the lifesaving impulse. “Breaking” the psychosis. If that is possible (one needs to isolate each person from the mob, however!) and done, then the ideological shackles just disappear – because they are realised as what they are: ideologies that justify cruelty to take the place of compassion. We all know that there is a deep meaning in the saying "love and hate come from the same energy”. Well, cruelty and compassion do as well, obviously. When our “adversaries" are Jewish – refer to our love for animals, children. When they are Christian – the same, and bring up Jesus’ acceptance of torture and death out of love. I think this approach is both the simplest one and the most effective one: a short cut as it were.

[Michel Leclerc]

Here's a terrific example of selling Judaism, the antithesis of Zionism:





(...)

True Jews believe that Jewish suffering during World War II was a punishment for not resisting the cursed Zionist Movement, which, in 1917, began occupying the holy Land and oppressing the Palestinians; violations of the 3 oaths."



Yes Tintin. The Shoah is a punishment for our sins – and the worst sin is... the nationalist ("national socialist”!) political distortion made by atheist Jewish "intellectuals”.

Consider that this is also related to language. Biblical Hebrew (being a dialect form of Canaanite, as Phoenician is etc.) is not the progenitor of modern-day Israel Ivrit, which is rather an offshoot of Aramean. (My Aramean Christian friends in Brussels understood Ivrit without issues: to them it was a dialect of Aramean, written in a weird alphabet.) Hence the pious orthodox non Zionist Jews use their "host nation”'s language – or Yiddish (a Jewish "adaptation" of German) – or one of the adaptations of modern-day Mediterranean languages (Romance, Greek...).

Many thanks for this, which is very interesting indeed, I have to say. That you also have friends who are Aramean is also a wonderful revelation: we could learn much from them, and you, as a kind of go-between here :sun:

Thank you Tintin for your sweet words. I feel a little guilty because since I moved to Southern France (six years ago), our contacts have become rare. I used to meet two men quite frequently because they live(d) in the same Brussels neighbourhood as I did: one is a theologian and the other the animator of an Aramaean cultural organisation – and the last year before I moved discussed with them having lessons in "Gospel Aramaean” with the theologian: I had come to the conclusion that their claim that the Aramaean version is the original one and the Greek versions we know are adaptations, is true.You may have gathered that for a number of reasons, I always want to read texts in the original language – and fundamentally distrust translations. I do read the Gospels in ancient Greek (comparing translations, of course), and as a serious professional linguist, have the good dictionaries at hand. So – I want to re-read the vital passages in Aramaean. However, I moved to the South and am at present more strongly motivated to improve my Arabic (for the sake of “the greatest of the Sufi sheikh's" ‘Ibn 'Arabi and of present-day poet Adonis) and my (a lot weaker) Russian for the great Russian poets of the 20th century (Osip Mandelstam, Marina Tzvyetayeva..)... But, in about a year’s time – if I am still kicking – I may wish to do a little distance “Gospel Aramaean”... In France there are actually quite active Roman Catholic discussion groups and also monastic order adherents who are reading and meditating on the Aramaean versions.

[Michel Leclerc]

1857128771419300012


source (https://x.com/JohnKuhles1966/status/1857128771419300012)



Thank you John. This is an excellent brief synthesis. I cannot find the identity of this man. I guess I am looking at the wrong spot. Do you know?


Kwame Ture (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Kwame%20Ture); born with the name: Stokely Standiford Churchill Carmichael; Port of Spain, Trinidad & Tobago, 29 June 1941, died in Conakry, Guinea, 15 November 1998 being 57 years old. He was among others Chairman of SNCC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_Nonviolent_Coordinating_Committee) and Black Power (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_power_movement) until both of these resistance organizations kicked him out (possible due to FBI infiltration).

I do not agree with other things he publicly stated, especially when he is obviously using "neo-Marxist (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115763-American-Marxism)" rhetoric but he is also targeted by COINTELPRO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO) (FBI) see here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokely_Carmichael)! ... So we have to be careful how "authorities" claim anything about him, how he is framed by perception managers serving tunnel vision narratives.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Thank you John!!!

[Tintin]

From the Rabbis at Torah Judaism (https://x.com/TorahJudaism/status/1858056780930027975):



The situation in the Palestinian territories before Zionism and Zionist Israel.

Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld
Anti Zionist chief Rabbi of Palestine (1848-1932)

"There was no violence or outrage in our streets. Our esteemed neighbors honored the Jews, and the Jews respected the other inhabitants of the land. On many occasions, one group was helped by the other, as is fitting and proper for tranquil neighbors, who together desire the success of their community. Also, the Arabs knew and still know that the Jews seek their peace and well-being"

Truth and peace, by Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld- published in the Palestine bulletin Nov 1929

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gckky3iWAAASlBZ?format=jpg&name=small



Copies of The Palestine Bulletin are available through this link:
https://www.nli.org.il/en/newspapers/plb?

Librarian note:Probably a really good resource for our library actually but at nearly 2500 copies may be a little too arduous a task for me to undertake right now while other archiving takes place.

The copy referenced here is this one:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/Various_%28of_interest%29/1929-11-29_The_Palestine_Bulletin_19291129_01_Vol_1472_%28see_page_3%29.pdf

[grapevine]

A couple of observations/personal thoughts:

The zionists are hiding behind the jews in exactly the way that the zionists say hamas are hiding behind the Palastinians.  they have successfully martyred the jewish religion and very cleverly twisted everything towards anti-semitism and hatred of the jews, which is not true, but such is their masterful persistence and guile I almost believe it myself.  Do zionists care about the jews?  They care so much that Israel was the first country to vaccinate their citizens four times with the Covid vaccine.  I wonder how many government officials had it though.

Israel is run and ruled by a solely zionist government. It seems clear that Israel is after all the oil in the Middle East, and that once they have the Big One (Iran), they will mop up other oil rich countries, with the help of the zionist-infiltrated USA. 

As well as the USA, Zionist Israel has also successfully infiltrated every government and industry in the West and every action taken by the collective west is motivated by the zionist element, and this is essentially the NWO, WEF, WHO etc.  This has been done by stealth and corruption, ie. bribery, coercion and blackmail.

And yet I suspect there's another element involved, higher or parallel maybe, that of the Black Nobility, who are still knocking around behind closed doors, their vast fortunes locked away, untouchable by anyone and maybe ET above them.

So that's the problem and a reaction. What's the solution?

[shaberon]

Un-coupling Zionism from Judaism might be a more powerful vector for intellectual discussion than Zionism's origins. If people think Zionism is good/positive, it won't matter to them just how Zionism is currently being sold, such as the bikini clad Zionists in the opening post. Think of Caitlin Johnstone's reminders to us to observe the narrative control of the artificial narrative being pumped-out. Seems to me it would be more powerful, more transformative, to expose Zionism's fallacies and exceptionalism as a currently metastasizing, apartheid political ideology, rather than the demonic/archonic underpinnings of Zionism's history.


That sounds like Jews Against Zionism.

We have every step of the way to show that the political regime is an efflux of British Imperialism, but, I suppose that is still admired as well. "Narrative control" is the product of this semantic tinkering entirely.

Or, we can go from Haganah, to Irgun, to Nakba, to the liar's twist that allows for the current right-wing extremists, which would have been illegal under Israeli law until the 2000s.

It it being "sold" or "re-inforced"?

I, myself, am a little lost by the concept of taking a "spontaneous" conversation by the horns, because any attempt to "defend the victims" will be met with cries of "they're not human anyway". It would almost immediately descend into a blow-by-blow conflict itself. I'll try to process this.

[Hermoor]

I've had a strange feeling about the symbolism of the Israeli flag ever since posting about it in this thread a few days ago.

I'll give voice to it and I'd appreciate some feedback. I don't mind being wrong, it's happened plenty of times before.

The two blue lines are supposed to symbolise the rivers Nile and Euphrates. The "Star of David" is effectively a statement of territorial ambition.

What if the two blue lines actually symbolise the sky above and the sea below? That would mean the territorial ambition is actually all the land on Earth. Like it's destined to be the flag of the NWO, the centre of a one world government?

The "great reset" kind of ties into that too. Resetting the centre of world power back to Jerusalem as in the days of the T and O map?

I just had to scratch that itch out aloud. I feel better already. :)

[Tintin]

I've had a strange feeling about the symbolism of the Israeli flag ever since posting about it in this thread a few days ago.

I'll give voice to it and I'd appreciate some feedback. I don't mind being wrong, it's happened plenty of times before.

The two blue lines are supposed to symbolise the rivers Nile and Euphrates. The "Star of David" is effectively a statement of territorial ambition.

What if the two blue lines actually symbolise the sky above and the sea below? That would mean the territorial ambition is actually all the land on Earth. Like it's destined to be the flag of the NWO, the centre of a one world government?

The "great reset" kind of ties into that too. Resetting the centre of world power back to Jerusalem as in the days of the T and O map?

I just had to scratch that itch out aloud. I feel better already. :)

Good! Nothing like an itch you can reach, and tend to :)

Some have asserted that the star of "David" (Dravid?) is in actual fact an ancient symbol with its use in other cultures around the world, so, not strictly at all "Jewish", but really very much older.

It is most likely in reality "The Star of Remphan" so in keeping with the "selling" theme of the thread, an advertising logo adopted by a heretical sect who had infiltrated and corrupted core tenets of Judaism (see Miller's post above as well); here's a write up (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-%E2%80%9Cstar-of-Remphan%E2%80%9D-mentioned-in-the-Bible):

(Excerpts)


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The star was mentioned and condemned by the God of Israel in Amos 5:26 and it was called by Him, `the star of your god, Moloch' or otherwise called `Chiun'. Reference to Amos 5:26 and the Israelites having it in the wilderness was also made in Acts 7:43. Here it was called the Star of Remphan. All these names refer to the `god' Saturn. The hexagram was brought to the Jewish people by Solomon when he turned to witchcraft and idolatry after his marriage to Pharaoh's daughter in 922B.C. It became known as the Seal of Solomon in Egyptian magic and witchcraft. David had absolutely nothing to do with the hexagram and that star most certainly did not, in any way, represent God's people. Solomon gave himself up to satanic worship and built altars to Ashtoreth and Moloch (Saturn).

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There is also a school of thought this way, The martyrdom of Stephen episode in the Book of Acts seems to indicate the star of Rephaim is the symbol of babylonic/cabalistic jewry-the six sided star of Solomon.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible explains it this way;


The Alexandrian copy reads "Raiphan"; some copies read "Raphan"; and so the Arabic version; others "Rephan"; the Syriac version reads "Rephon"; and the Ethiopic version "Rephom". Giants, with the Hebrews, were called "Rephaim"; and so Mo, who is here meant, is called "Rephan", and with an epenthesis "Remphan", because of his gigantic form; which some have concluded from the massy crown on his head, which, with the precious stones, weighed a talent of gold, which David took from thence, 2 Samuel 12:30 for not the then reigning king of the Ammonites, but Molech, or Milchom, their idol, is meant: this is generally thought to be the same with Chiun in Amos; but it does not stand in a place to answer to that; besides, that should not be left untranslated, it not being a proper name of an idol, but signifies a type or form; and the whole may be rendered thus, "but ye have borne the tabernacle of your king, and the type, or form of your images, the star of your god"; which version agrees with Stephens's, who, from the Septuagint, adds the name of this their king, and their god Rephan, or Remphan.

Drusius conjectures, that this is a fault of the Scribes writing Rephan for Cephan, or that the Septuagint interpreters mistook the letter for and instead of Cevan read Revan; and Chiun is indeed, by Kimchi and Aben Ezra (h), said to be the same with Chevan, which, in the Ishmaelitish and Persian languages, signifies Saturn; and so does Rephan in the Egyptian language: and it is further to be observed, that the Egyptians had a king called Remphis, the same with Apis; and this may be the reason why the Septuagint interpreters, who interpreted for Ptolomy, king of Egypt, put Rephan, which Stephen calls Remphan, instead of Chiun, which they were better acquainted with, since they both signify the same deity, and the same star; and which also was the star of the Israelites, called by them because supposed to have the government of the sabbath day, and therefore fitly called the "star of your god".

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The Six-Pointed Star is engraved on the Talisman of Saturn which is used in ritual magic TALISMAN OF SATURN;


“On the first face is engraved…a pentagram or a star with five points. On the other side is engraved a bull’s head enclosed in a SIX-POINTED STAR, and surrounded by letters composing the name REMPHA, THE PLANETARY GENIUS OF SATURN, according to the alphabet of the Magi.”

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(Excerpt from another poster)

The the authors of the NT are almost always, or even always, working from one of the Greek translations, not the Hebrew. This introduces a great many errors into the NT. This is an excellent example. Here’s the Hebrew:


[Amo 5:26 NASB20] [26] "You also carried along Sikkuth your king and Kiyyun, your images, the star of your gods which you made for yourselves.

It makes no mention of Remphan at all. But here’s an ancient Greek translation, where both Molech and Remphan are mentioned:


[Amo 5:26 LXX] [26] καὶ ἀνελάβετε τὴν σκηνὴν τοῦ Μολοχ καὶ τὸ ἄστρον τοῦ θεοῦ ὑμῶν Ραιφαν τοὺς τύπους αὐτῶν οὓς ἐποιήσατε ἑαυτοῖς

The Vulgate has similar corruption:


[Amo 5:26 VUL] [26] et portastis tabernaculum Moloch vestro et imaginem idolorum vestrorum sidus dei vestri quae fecistis vobis

And here’s the NT citation in the question:


[Act 7:43 NIV] [43] You have taken up the tabernacle of Molek and the star of your god Rephan, the idols you made to worship. Therefore I will send you into exile' beyond Babylon.

(Excerpt from another contributor)


-- The answer is found in the Torah itself, Amos 5:26–27, the Bible Acts 7:43, and the history of symbolism which despite fervent wishes of certain interest groups, is crystal clear.

“Remphan, (hrem-fan') is the King James Version of the Bible's rendering of the Greek word variously appearing in Acts 7 verse 43 as Ρομφα, Ρεμφάν, Ρεμφαμ, Ραιφαν, and Ρεφαν. It is part of a quotation from Amos 5 verse 26 where the Septuagint's reading raiphan or rephan stands the Hebrew Chiun or Kewan. The Greek forms are probably simple mistakes for the Hebrew, k (qoppa) having been replaced by r (resh) and ph substituted for v (yod). Kewan is probably the Old Babylonian Kayawanu,the planet Saturn, another (the Akkadian) name for which is Sakkut, which appears as Siccuth in the earlier part of the verse.”

The widely known association of the Hexagram with the planet Saturn is not debatable. Ask any Astrologer Wiccan or Kabbalist adept, what planet does the Hexagram represent, and they will tell you, the planet Saturn..

This association of “Jews”, Canaanites Akkadians & Phoenicians before them with Saturn worship is nothing new..

[shaberon]

Some have asserted that the star of "David" (Dravid?) is in actual fact an ancient symbol with its use in other cultures around the world, so, not strictly at all "Jewish", but really very much older.


It is.

This is the oldest known "lost wax" casting made in pure copper ca. 4,000 B. C. E.:


https://www.harappa.com/sites/default/files/styles/galleryformatter_slide/public/amulet.jpg




I would not demonize it using the Bible.

I can spend a few posts taking it back from those thieves, and discard the Israeli flag forever, but I'm trying to pick up on something more "current".

As I said, I don't "know" these people, I have never sat around and discussed Zionism or Israeli behavior with another person, because, well, for most of us, as soon as you hear of it, you step on it like a bug.

I'm "surrounded" by them, though, and I noticed a couple of "slogan t-shirts" recently that I suppose are "selling" something, or conveying a message. One was:


Guns

Whiskey

Beer

Freedom



and a few days before, there was another one:


Pro-God

Pro-Gun

Pro-Life


I just have to let them walk around, and occasionally deal with them, and all I know is that it is multiple people that I assume conform to a stereotype.

Of course, those shirts don't say anything about Israel directly, and again we assume it is cemented into the framework.

Philosophically, of course, we are not supposed to run on "assumptions", so, in this case, can anyone break the stereotype and reveal the folly?

No...that's why there isn't much discussion to be had.

I would rather show by a process of reason, how we can think and talk differently, yet it appears I would be reduced to the level of perhaps going around in a "Pro-Palestine" shirt basically looking for a fight. I can't imagine any other result.

It's like being in a trap between dead silence and conflict.

[Dennis Leahy]

Some have asserted that the star of "David" (Dravid?) is in actual fact an ancient symbol with its use in other cultures around the world, so, not strictly at all "Jewish", but really very much older.


It is.

This is the oldest known "lost wax" casting made in pure copper ca. 4,000 B. C. E.:


https://www.harappa.com/sites/default/files/styles/galleryformatter_slide/public/amulet.jpg




I would not demonize it using the Bible.

I can spend a few posts taking it back from those thieves, and discard the Israeli flag forever, but I'm trying to pick up on something more "current".

As I said, I don't "know" these people, I have never sat around and discussed Zionism or Israeli behavior with another person, because, well, for most of us, as soon as you hear of it, you step on it like a bug.

I'm "surrounded" by them, though, and I noticed a couple of "slogan t-shirts" recently that I suppose are "selling" something, or conveying a message. One was:


Guns

Whiskey

Beer

Freedom



and a few days before, there was another one:


Pro-God

Pro-Gun

Pro-Life


I just have to let them walk around, and occasionally deal with them, and all I know is that it is multiple people that I assume conform to a stereotype.

Of course, those shirts don't say anything about Israel directly, and again we assume it is cemented into the framework.

Philosophically, of course, we are not supposed to run on "assumptions", so, in this case, can anyone break the stereotype and reveal the folly?

No...that's why there isn't much discussion to be had.

I would rather show by a process of reason, how we can think and talk differently, yet it appears I would be reduced to the level of perhaps going around in a "Pro-Palestine" shirt basically looking for a fight. I can't imagine any other result.

It's like being in a trap between dead silence and conflict.
I'm not sure I understand where you're at with this. Please elaborate. Are you saying that the "open carry" gun guys and the beer drinkers are likely to be blindly swept up in the tacit pro-Zionism paradigm?

[Hermoor]

It is most likely in reality "The Star of Remphan"

Thanks Tintin. I'd never heard of it until quite recently when Max Igan mentioned it. The Biblical mentions of it are fascinating. If there really is a hexagon on Saturn's north pole, then it's quite a mind blower.

The oldest origins of the symbol are likely the same as the oldest origins of everything else, written in the stars.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ab/e5/27/abe527d04e3af4b78b435fc1284bf0dd.jpg

Clockwise from top the main stars/constellations are Aquila; Cetus; (the eye of God in) Eridanus; Sirius; Regulus and Arcturus.

The oldest formal reference I've found for it is nicked from Hinduism. It's at least 4000 years old. Shiva and Shakti are getting frisky. The symbol is called the "shatkona".

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8b/3d/94/8b3d94f9035e962b3e41ac430f1efc76.jpg

So we've got 6s all over the place. Hmmm. :ROFL: And the being "Murugan" appears to have been shanghaied and turned into Baphomet!

This is the "Star of David" in the oldest surviving copy of the Masoretic text (the Leningrad Codex) dated to 1008.

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.5289485180.3052/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u5.jpg

The alchemists obviously have some skin in the game too. The white within the outline apparently symbolises the fifth element aether.

54075

It's all over the Arab world and Islam too.

Baron Abraham Benjamin Edmond James de Rothschild (1845-1934) heavily funded all things Zionism. At the time he was the head of the French Rothschild clan.

The Rothschilds are fond of funding both sides of the wars they go to great lengths to forment. Speaking of which, here's The Daughter of Zion giving an unmistakably Kitcheneresque pointy finger in a WW1 propaganda recruitment poster for the Jewish regiment. Fokkers of a feather flokk together, time after time.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Bat_Zion_I_want_your_Old_New_Land_join_Jewish_regiment.jpg/255px-Bat_Zion_I_want_your_Old_New_Land_join_Jewish_regiment.jpg

And American and Canadian Jewish volunteers of the 39th Battalion in Windsor, Nova Scotia (Canada) prepare to sail for Palestine to serve in the Jewish Legion, April 1918.

https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/i/il_novascotia.jpg

Here's a wild card of note, an aerial photo of London's Heathrow airport in 1955.

54076

More on the Zionist and Israeli flags here.

https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/il.html

[shaberon]

I'm not sure I understand where you're at with this. Please elaborate. Are you saying that the "open carry" gun guys and the beer drinkers are likely to be blindly swept up in the tacit pro-Zionism paradigm?



Yes...I don't know about everyone else, but, I am certainly swamped by hordes of "Trump camp" without variations.

As a platform, I was recently informed by this man that I need to leave the country if I believe in resisting Zion.

The lines are already drawn, and it is just a matter of revealing who is on what side.

Due to the lack of discussion, and the presence of strongly-held beliefs, it is hard to imagine any outcome besides conflict.

That's my life. This gang stalked off the tv screen in the 1960s, I have mostly avoided them, except for a few altercations based on other subjects. It continues to steal my taxes and commit genocide, like it did before I was born, except on film and in open-source quotes, and, well, as national election campaigns.

I find it ironic that we have legal alcohol due to so many policemen being shot. I suppose I could expose this and float it to the surface, but, I'm not sure how to summarize it in a two-word non-sentence. Those t-shirts are grammatically meaningless, it is like ooga booga ape speech, I don't foresee much reason or compassion exuding from.

The numbers of those shirts, symbols, etc., may make some "swing voters" conform to the mindset without resisting, maybe "just going along with it". But I am sure there is a devout bloc. As I said, I'm not allowed to speak to the neighbor, in terms of anything I may think. I doubt I would get anything other than pre-determined right and wrong, with the United States always being right.

[Michel Leclerc]

Well Shaberon. Where I live there is a diluted version of your environment. A lot less violent or potentially violent, however. But equally “Stupid”, to quote your adjective; I would call it: not only un-informed, but also un-informable. The strange thing is that natural medicine flowers here (suspicion of official medicine) – good points; but then, they swear by "the light" (having jettisoned Cristian-ness two generations ago, mostly) without understanding it, really. Getting back to you: there is no point in suffering among violent idiots unless there are people to be saved – be a Saviour then – but if that is not the case – maybe you should move out of the county – if you can – or at least have an escape path ready? (Here they are not all un-informable; there are (few) open-minded people; they are only rarely violent; so there are people to be saved, to be sheltered.)

[Michel Leclerc]

Into the more esoteric understanding.

Saturn is 6 because it is the 6th planet. Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn – in that order. Corresponding to the six chakras: front, throat, chest, Hara point, external sexual organ, internal sexual organ. And the metals: silver, quicksilver/mercury, copper, iron, tin, lead. The six days of the week – consider their order as a chakra balancing ritual. Astrology, “psychology” (Gnosis), alchemy: one "Ars”. Interestingly, Hinduism makes a telling mistake: the 1rst chakra, Ajña, being thought of as Sun/Moon. Like the Yin/Yang symbol, it is dualistic and “compulsory heterosexist” (right-hand Tantra, reproduction). It seals an immanence concept of Reality, instead of breaking through to transcendence. Transcendence is when we "do not go into the white light”, i.e. into the silver of the Moon – but break through (beyond the occiput) into the gold of the Sun (the 7th chakra, “out of the body”). However, that means leaving the 6 for the 7, leaving astrology (double 6) for "astrosophy” (leaving determinism for mantic discovery). The position of the 7th chakra outside (like Castaneda’s assemblage point) changes the figure, and instead of staying in the 1-dimensional spinal chain, one moves towards the 2-dimensional hexagon with the Moon chakra having as neighbours the Throat and Root chakras (!), all six chakras being equally far from the golden Sun, who is in the middle. (With the planets orbiting it, from Ptolemy to Kepler.) Here the Jewish error shows: in the middle of the star of David is an empty hole, where Gold should be. (Esoterically.) It is a step forward, as is the Kabbala’s Tree of Life (or interlocking chain of Trees of Life), given that he sephiroth can be mapped onto the chakras, as in knot theory, but the design remains vertical. There is a jump towards a new dimension in the star “translation” of the chakra “spine” but the gold center point is forgotten or suppressed. Similarly, the Yin Yang symbol, representing a slice of the rotating spinal structure’s linearity (chakra channels, DNA strands), remains in linearity and dualism. As chakra spine, Tree of Life and star representation show, the “core key” is that one has to leave "sacred geometry" for "sacred topology" – and when one does so, the sun "spot" in the center becomes the "nascence" of a new dimension, with "chakras" that are no longer planets but stars. What allows this jump is the realisation that one does not want to count any more with natural numbers, but with irrational ones, more specifically the “beads” of the Golden (!) Mean. The petal numbers on the chakras of the classical Indian system show the traces of a misunderstood, or forgotten, Fibonacci series (which they once did know, earlier than Fibonacci in the West). It then takes only a small but decisive shift of perspective to see that Sahasrara, the 7th chakra with 1,008 (!) petals (instead of 1,000) initiates this break towards transcendence. Centre-less stars (as centre-less circles) represent the closed world of materiality that only ever repeats itself. A circle with a circumference but without a centre is a godless realm.

[shaberon]

Well Shaberon. Where I live there is a diluted version of your environment...


Yes, the States are a bit like European Wars of the Reformation that haven't erupted yet.

The faction in the crosshairs even has another innocuously profound name for itself, Bible Believers.

You can just say that, and it doesn't sound like you are in a "cult".

It's similar to the general Protestant fascination with hell. Numerically, by far, the Catholics mostly executed people for being heretics, that is, to preach some twist they didn't like, while professing Christianity.

The Protestant countries rather have a history of execution for witchcraft, that is, the non-Christian.

So, a very long time ago, I was informed that I am going straight to hell, more than once. Some of them may even believe Catholics are going to hell for being Catholic; I'm not sure. But this attitude of condemnation is quite freely offered up.

It's not hard to imagine Canada has this same clique.

Otherwise, I don't think you will find this peculiar fix on Revelations anywhere, and I'm pretty sure it came from television. My parents never mentioned it, i. e. there was no such thing when they were kids, it came out during their lifetimes, which, obviously, they didn't pay any attention to it.

We then get to Project for a New American Century, and, you know what, I had to go through the personal memoirs of Senator Helms to find out how Clinton was persuaded to relax about NATO expansion. Is it not the American equivalent of British Zionism?

On a personal level, I accept and follow a fair few things that I think a Christian would be able to understand, such as Salvation, it's a little different, but it's not racist or violent, I'm sure of that. It puts me in the difficult position of having to oppose some apparently "religious" doctrines, but those are not the ones coming from Orthodoxy.

So what I have observed is that American Zionism more or less grew up around me, and, I was unaware that Israel had anything to do with it, because it's really about something else, which is behind the "hell" messages and so forth. Zionism at any price is like a trivial addendum on their actual religious belief (Millennialist, Rapture, etc.). Despite a career of radicalism, I have not really affected anything, and instead been effectively sidelined.

They're a little bit imaginary to me, being what I have avoided, so I just don't know anything about having to deal with it on a daily (or any) basis.

[grapevine]

There is another thread about how Zionism got injected into Christianity (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/There is another thread about how Zionism got injected into Christianity that explores that aspect of the selling of Zionism, but I thought we needed a thread to discuss the current Zionist propaganda.Here's a short video exploring Israel's Zionist propaganda changing over time, and currently using sociopaths in bikinis to make Zionism sexy: https://www.bitchute.com/video/a2RndxZflwtL) that explores that aspect of the selling of Zionism, but I thought we needed a thread to discuss the current Zionist propaganda.


Here's a short video exploring Israel's Zionist propaganda changing over time, and currently using sociopaths in bikinis to make Zionism sexy: https://www.bitchute.com/video/a2RndxZflwtL An appropriate title: IDF Sex Programming (MKULTRA 3.0)

I've now watched the video in the OP, which I hadn't done before when responding (apologies for being off topic Dennis)

As I'm neither young nor Jewish, this particular type of advertising has passed me by although I was aware of the Birthright scheme, which has been running for a long time (since 1999, which is 25 years). Everything is free, (airfare, accommodation, meals, and educational activities). That in itself is a massive carrot and then, once in situ, the indoctrination focus must intensify, and to a youngster would seem like heaven on earth.

https://int.birthrightisrael.com/

But is it enough to cut through the hypocrisy of Zionism itself and go the distance for a lifetime? If so then all jews would be Zionists but they're not. If the scheme was extended to non-jews the same level of indoctrination would probably apply.

[ExomatrixTV]

My question to Grok 2.0:


"What is the real origin of the "Star of David" Symbol hexagram: the compound of two equilateral triangles ... and how many other cultures in the world used that symbol too or even before the Hebrew Jews did?"

The Star of David, also known as the Magen David in Hebrew, is a hexagram composed of two interlocking equilateral triangles, one pointing up and one pointing down. Here are some insights into its origins and cultural uses:

Origins:


Jewish Context:

While popularly associated with Judaism, the Star of David's specific origins within Jewish tradition are not entirely clear. Historically, the symbol was not widely used as a uniquely Jewish emblem until the 19th century. The term "Magen David" or "Shield of David" appears to reference the protective aspect of God, associated with King David, but there's no biblical or Talmudic basis for this association with the hexagram itself.
The earliest archaeological evidence of the hexagram in a Jewish context dates back to the 3rd or 4th century CE, found in the arch of the Khirbet Shura synagogue in the Galilee as a decorative motif, but it did not carry religious significance at that time.


Pre-Jewish Uses:

Ancient Cultures: The hexagram has roots far predating its association with Judaism. It appears in various ancient cultures where it was used as a magical or decorative symbol. For instance:

In Mesopotamia, hexagrams were part of astrological and magical signs.
The symbol was also found in ancient India, where it is known as the "Shatkona" and represents the union of male and female divine energies in Hindu symbolism.




Medieval and Renaissance Europe:

The hexagram appeared in medieval Christian art, often as a decorative element rather than a symbol of faith. It was used in alchemical texts, where the triangle pointing up could represent fire or the element of air, and the one pointing down might symbolize water or earth, symbolizing the harmony of opposites or the union of heaven and earth.


Islamic Tradition:

Known as the "Seal of Solomon," the hexagram was a popular symbol in Islamic culture, often used in amulets and as an architectural motif. It was considered to have protective qualities.




Usage in Other Cultures:


Hinduism and Buddhism: In Hindu and Buddhist contexts, the hexagram represents the balance of male and female energies or cosmic forces, with each triangle symbolizing one aspect of this duality.
Occult Practices: The hexagram has been employed in various occult traditions for its symbolic representation of the integration of opposites, reflecting aspects like spirit and matter, or the macrocosm and microcosm.
Freemasonry: The hexagram can be found in Masonic symbolism, often representing the union of divine principles or the structure of the universe.
General Decorative Use: Beyond religious or mystical significance, the hexagram has been a common decorative motif in many cultures due to its geometrical simplicity and aesthetic appeal, appearing in architecture, art, and textiles across different civilizations.

The journey of the Star of David from a general decorative and mystical symbol to an emblem of Jewish identity is complex, involving cultural exchanges, the reinterpretation of symbols, and the historical events that shaped Jewish identity, especially in the 19th century with the rise of Zionism (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Zionism), where it was adopted as a symbol on the flag of the Zionist movement in 1897. However, its use as a Jewish symbol does not negate its earlier and concurrent uses in other cultures, where it held different meanings or was employed for its geometric symmetry.

[Rizotto]

Speaking of symbols, take a look at the logo for Birthright Israel: https://int.birthrightisrael.com/

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Birthright_Israel.jpg

Who else agrees that it looks very much like the symbol associated with the NWO?

[Hermoor]

It's got the masons, zionists and one dollar bill all over it. Etc.

These people are cracked. I wish they'd all just move to a remote little island and give the humane amongst us peace and quiet.

Unfortunately they are highly intelligent and very determined to get their own (NWO) way.

[Hermoor]

Selling zionism?

Just don't buy it. That's really easy for those of us with moral compasses and minds of our own, like this man here.

5Qz7QRMhKlAS/

[Kryztian]

One of the components of the deranged belief system of Zionist Christians and Jews is the red heiffer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_heifer). The Temple Institute (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Institute) is trying to breed or discover the perfect Red Heifer that needs to be sacrificed before the rebuilding of the temple (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Temple):

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[Tintin]

This may need its own thread - maybe - or perhaps better placed on the Israel-Palestine genocide thread, but, it does speak to how 'Zionism' in the guise of 'neo-conservatism' is (or was in 2002) sold to US military operatives, one of whom was at the time the extraordinary now former Lt Col Karen Kwiatkowski familiar to many of us from her periodic appearances with Judge Andrew Napolitano. There is a relevance to the thread theme here, albeit maybe a little tentative.

I've put it in the library, have just started watching it as well, and will link to it there. I'll provide a YouTube link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgqLURDtOO4) as well but I've reached the point these days that I'll avoid YouTube wherever possible, and Rumble, so I don't have to put up with all that blasted advertising :facepalm:

If YouTube does have a saving grace then it's the transcript provision which can be very helpful sometimes.

---

LtCol. Karen Kwiatkowski - The Lost Interview: The Whistleblower Who Tried To Stop A War

https://avalonlibrary.net/2004-07-22_LtCol_Karen_Kwiatkowski_-_The_Lost_Interview_-_The_Whistleblower_Who_Tried_To_Stop_A_War_%28interviewed_by_Kent_Bye%29.mp4

YouTube description:



RAW FOOTAGE : Interviewed by Kent Bye on July 22, 2004

In this compelling interview by journalist Kent Bye, we dive into the insights of Karen Kwiatkowski, a retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel who spent her final years at the Pentagon working in the Office of Near East South Asia. With over two decades of military experience, Karen shares her unique perspective on U.S. defense policy and its implications for the Middle East.

Karen's journey takes us through her unexpected transition from Sub-Saharan African Affairs to a pivotal role in Middle Eastern policy during a time of significant geopolitical tension. She recounts her first day in the office where she was confronted with an unspoken rule: keeping pro-Palestinian opinions under wraps. This moment marked a turning point that opened her eyes to deeper issues within military and political discourse.

Throughout this discussion, you will gain insight into how personal beliefs can clash with institutional expectations and what it means to navigate such complexities within high-stakes environments like the Pentagon. Karen’s experiences shed light on broader themes related to transparency, ethics in defense policy, and the challenges faced by those who dare to speak out against prevailing narratives.

[Rizotto]

Speaking of symbols, take a look at the logo for Birthright Israel: https://int.birthrightisrael.com/

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Birthright_Israel.jpg

Who else agrees that it looks very much like the symbol associated with the NWO?

Thank you Bill for placing the image on the above post.

The Birthright logo next to "Taglit" tweaked my memory, about Tanit a goddess revered by ancient people from the area (e.g. Phoenicians, etc.)

There are remarkable similarities between the goddess Tanit icon found on many prehistoric sites along the Mediterranean, and the 'Taglit' name and Birthright's logo above.
Look up the Tanit goddess icons from this website: https://elinritter.com/blogs/the-ibiza-eco-edit/tanit-the-goddess-of-ibiza
(I need to find time one of these days to figure out placing an image on the Project Avalon site... )

How curious that these old symbols get recycled in similar shapes to this day. Is this deliberate, e.g. some way of usurping ancient heritage from that area for zionist purposes?

Or does it come from the collective unconscious? On that point, let's consider that the religious symbols of conflicting factions of that area apparently have a common origin. Those interested in that topic will like to watch the "Symbols of an Alien Sky" documentary by David Talbot. The star of David (or rotating triangle), eye above pyramid, the cross, star in crescent, and even the swastika are depicted in this reconstruction of catastrophic cosmic events.

Symbols of an Alien Sky (Full Documentary)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY

Do these symbols have a subconscious influence on us? I probably should start a new separate thread to continue that discussion.

[shaberon]

Is this deliberate, e.g. some way of usurping ancient heritage from that area for zionist purposes?


That is how it starts. Yhwh usurps Baal Hadad, in the only instance I know of that is accompanied by the message "this deity is false/inferior".

Hence it is a disruption of Canaan, which was far more adjunct to the universal system, in order to make its own regime.

Although the event is certainly not modern, it is still the status quo, so it is still current.

Until this gets sorted, it is difficult to see how that whole tradition stands for anything but a re-branding and radical overhaul of what lacked such a message previously.

[FractalEnergy]

Following up on the Star of David and its relationship to Hinduism:

Judaism was created by Indian philosophers from the Brahman Caste (chosen caste), who left India during one of its many wars and made their way to the middle east. Megasthenes, who was an ancient Greek ambassador and explorer during the Hellenistic period, traveled to India around 300 B.C.E. and wrote in his book Indica about this fairly new religion of Judaism that was created by the Brahmans, whom he called the Kalanoi. Aristotle echoed Megasthenes, as did Flavius Josephus, and even Voltaire had something to say about it, claiming that "all" religions came out of India, the cradle of civilization. Voltaire added that Abraham and Sarah were actually Brahma and Saraswati. Comparative religious studies show us that all religions borrow myths and stories from one another, and the same thing was done with Judaism. The stories of the Old Testament are just an amalgamation of Hindu/Sumerian/Babylonian/Egyptian/Greek myths.

Sources: Between Jerusalem and Benares - edited by Hananya Goodman and The Proof of Vedic Culture's Global Existence - by Stephen Knapp

[shaberon]

Judaism was created by Indian philosophers from the Brahman Caste (chosen caste), who left India during one of its many wars and made their way to the middle east. Megasthenes, who was an ancient Greek ambassador and explorer during the Hellenistic period, traveled to India around 300 B.C.E. and wrote in his book Indica about this fairly new religion of Judaism that was created by the Brahmans, whom he called the Kalanoi.


Megasthenes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indica_(Megasthenes)) is a re-construction of conflicting fragments.

Kalanos (https://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2024/08/indians-aristoboulos-onesikritos-and-strabo-on-naked-sages-or-brahmans-at-taxila-third-century-bce-on/) was a digambara or naked ascetic. He was a Brahman who traveled to the Seleucid capital. Has nothing to do with Judaism. Who were the Brahmans that left India and created it?





Aristotle echoed Megasthenes, as did Flavius Josephus, and even Voltaire had something to say about it, claiming that "all" religions came out of India, the cradle of civilization. Voltaire added that Abraham and Sarah were actually Brahma and Saraswati. Comparative religious studies show us that all religions borrow myths and stories from one another, and the same thing was done with Judaism. The stories of the Old Testament are just an amalgamation of Hindu/Sumerian/Babylonian/Egyptian/Greek myths.


Josephus is an echo chamber.


Otherwise, that is generally correct, there was no Old Testament such as Genesis which comes from the Babylonian Captivity. Prior to that, there were hostile forces identifiable as Judea, but most of the mythological overhaul took place in Babylon. However we can't quite be sure how/by who.


On the whole, you *can* find that Cannanite Zadoikite Priests were usurped and replaced by "scribes and lower functionairies" called Levites. It's in the Old Testament. We are not necessarily talking about the person, Levi, or his immediate descendants, but the name of a "class".

That is highly parallel to the Brahmans of India, which are just that. Moreover, they had already been a problem, and had actually been dispersed by the Mauryas at the time of Megasthenes. They regain their hold around the era 200-500, remaining until the present day, thanks to modern India's caste-based Constitution.

Zoroastrianism was by far the "most powerful" religion of the old world, i. e. it liberated the Jews, Cyrus the Great is the Messiah. It undergoes the same kind of textual complication and change of ideals.


So, yes, it could be argued there was a "scribal method" that happened in most places, that creates an "official institution", which betrays the very principles of the older hymns in their collection.

The Brahmana texts display a high level of ignorance. The others perhaps have a bit more of a sinister intent. Brahmans are perhaps guilty of self-security, whereas the others have more standing as a matter of statecraft.

India's first "Western Flood Myth" consists of about six lines in one of the Brahmanas. It comes back as a massive legend in the Puranas around year 500. It's hand-in-hand with numerous western influences over the same period. It's actually pretty easy to show where India becomes Hellenized.

It's next to impossible to find anything western that was certainly and directly lifted from Indian thought. The first thing that comes to mind is that it can be surveyed that the career of Jesus is about twenty quotes of Buddha. Were they just thinking alike?


On the other hand, Cochin Jews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochin_Jews) have been present in Kerala through all recorded history, possibly as far back as the Solomonic era. I would question if Kerala is even India. It was highly separate and independent, and one of the last places to be "Brahmanized" not until the 800s. They're certainly not the Second Temple, nor the political machine of it.


I would contend that "scribalism" is a transferrable technology that spread like a trend, rather than being centrally orchestrated in any way.

[Tintin]

Alan Macleod at Mintpress News (https://www.mintpressnews.com/revealed-israel-unit-8200-spies-american-media/288457/):

[Excerpted]:


Another Unit 8200 agent who went on to work for CNN is Tal Heinrich. Heinrich spent three years as a Unit 8200 agent. Between 2014 and 2017, she was the field and news desk producer for CNN’s notoriously pro-Israel Jerusalem Bureau, where she was one of the principal journalists shaping America’s understanding of Operation Protective Edge, Israel’s bombardment of Gaza that killed more than 2,000 people and left hundreds of thousands displaced. Heinrich later left CNN and is now the official spokesperson of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

CNN’s penchant for hiring Israeli state figures continues to this day. Tamar Michaelis, for example, currently works for the network, producing much of its Israel/Palestine content. This is despite having previously served as an official IDF spokesperson in the Israeli Defense Forces.

The New York Times, meanwhile, hired Anat Schwartz, an ex-Israeli Air Force Intelligence officer with zero journalistic experience. Schwartz co-wrote the infamous and now discredited “Screams Without Words” expose, which claimed that Hamas fighters systematically sexually violated Israelis on October 7. Times staff themselves revolted over the lack of evidence and fact-checking in the piece.

Multiple New York Times employees, including star columnist David Brooks, have had children serving in the IDF; even as they report or offer opinions on the region, the Times never disclosed these glaring conflicts of interest to its readers. Nor has it disclosed that it purchased a Jerusalem house for its bureau chief that was stolen from the family of Palestinian intellectual Ghada Karmi in 1948.


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MintPress News interviewed Karmi last year about her latest book and Israeli attempts to silence her. Former New York Times Magazine writer and current editor-in-chief of The Atlantic Jeffrey Goldberg (an American) dropped out of the University of Pennsylvania to volunteer as an IDF prison guard during the first Palestinian Intifada (uprising). In his memoirs, Goldberg revealed that, while serving in the IDF., he helped cover up the abuse of Palestinian prisoners.

Social media companies, too, are filled with former Unit 8200 agents. A 2022 MintPress study found no fewer than 99 former Unit 8200 operatives working for Google.

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Link, from 2022: https://www.mintpressnews.com/revealed-former-israeli-spies-working-top-jobs-google-facebook-amazon/282413/

GOOGLE:
According to employment website LinkedIn, there are currently at least 99 former Unit 8200 veterans currently working for Google. This number almost certainly underestimates the scale of the collaboration between the two organizations, however. For one, this does not count former Google employees. Nor does it include those without a public LinkedIn account, or those who do have an account, but have not disclosed their previous affiliations with the high-tech Israeli surveillance unit. This is likely to be a considerable number, as agents are expressly prohibited from ever revealing their affiliation to Unit 8200. Thus, the figure of 99 only represents the number of current (or extremely recent) Google employees who are brazenly flouting Israeli military law by including the organization in their profiles.

Among these include:

Gavriel Goidel: Between 2010 and 2016, Goidel served in Unit 8200, rising to become Head of Learning at the organization, leading a large team of operatives who sifted through intelligence data to “understand patterns of hostile activists”, in his own words, transmitting that information to superiors. Whether this included any of the over 1000 Gazan civilians Israel killed during their 2014 bombardment of Gaza is unknown. Goidel was recently appointed Head of Strategy and Operations at Google.

Jonathan Cohen: Cohen was a team leader during his time in Unit 8200 (2000-2003). He has since spent more than 13 years working for Google in various senior positions, and is currently Head of Insights, Data and Measurement.

Ori Daniel: Between 2003 and 2006, Daniel was a technical operations specialist with Unit 8200. After a stint with Palantir, he joined Google in 2018, rising to become Head of Global Self-Service for Google Waze.

Ben Bariach: For nearly five years between 2007 and 2011, Bariach served as a cyber intelligence officer, where he “commanded strategic teams of elite officers and professionals.”Since 2016, he has worked for Google. Between 2018 and 2020, he concentrated on tackling “controversial content, disinformation and cyber-security”. Today, he is a product partnership manager for Google in London.



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Notably, Google appears to not only accept former Unit 8200 agents with open arms, but to actively recruit current members of the controversial organization. For example, in October 2020, Gai Gutherz left his job as a project leader at Unit 8200 and walked into a full time job at Google as a software engineer. In 2018, Lior Liberman appears to have done the same thing, taking a position as a program manager at Google after 4 years in military intelligence. Earlier this year, she left Google and now works at Microsoft.

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Again, from here (https://www.mintpressnews.com/revealed-israel-unit-8200-spies-american-media/288457/):


Top Down Pro-Israel Censorship
When it comes to the Israeli attack on its neighbors, corporate media has consistently displayed a pro-Israel bias. The New York Times, for example, regularly refrains from identifying the perpetrator of violence when that perpetrator is the Israeli military and described the 1948 genocide of around 750,000 Palestinians as a mere “migration.” A study of the paper’s coverage found that words like “slaughter,” “massacre,” and “horrific” appear 22 times more frequently when discussing Israeli deaths than Palestinian ones, despite the gigantic disparity in the number of people killed on both sides.

Meanwhile, in a story about how Israeli soldiers shot 335 bullets at a car containing a Palestinian child and then shot the rescue workers who came to save her, CNN printed the headline “Five-year-old Palestinian girl found dead after being trapped in car with dead relatives” – a title that could be interpreted that her death was a tragic accident.


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This sort of reporting does not happen by accident. In fact, it comes straight from the top. A leaked New York Times memo from November revealed that company management explicitly instructed its reporters not to use words such as “genocide,” “slaughter,” and “ethnic cleansing” when discussing Israel’s actions. Times’ staff must refrain from using words like “refugee camp,” “occupied territory,” or even “Palestine” in their reporting, making it almost impossible to convey some of the most basic facts to their audience.

CNN staff are under similar pressure. Last October, new C.E.O. Mark Thompson sent out a memo to all staff instructing them to make sure that Hamas (and not Israel) is presented as responsible for the violence, that they must always use the moniker “Hamas-controlled” when discussing the Gaza Health Ministry and their civilian death figures, and barring them from any reporting of Hamas’ viewpoint, which its senior director of news standards and practices told staff was “not newsworthy” and amounted to “inflammatory rhetoric and propaganda.”

Both the Times and CNN have fired multiple journalists over their opposition to Israeli actions or support for Palestinian liberation. In November, the Times’ Jazmine Hughes was forced out after she signed an open letter opposing genocide in Palestine. The newspaper terminated Hosam Salem’s contract the previous year after a pressure campaign from pro-Israel group Honest Reporting. And CNN anchor Marc Lamont Hill was abruptly fired in 2018 for calling for Palestinian liberation in a speech at the United Nations.

Large organizations like Axios, CNN and the New York Times obviously know who they are hiring. These are some of the most sought-after jobs in journalism, and hundreds of applicants are likely applying for each position. The fact that these organizations choose to select Israeli spies above everybody else raises serious questions about their journalistic credibility and their purpose.

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Just some examples.

Also, here in our library: Israel Project's 2009 Global Language Dictionary (https://avalonlibrary.net/Israel_Project_2009_Global_Language_Dictionary/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf)



A PERSONAL MESSAGE FROM THE AUTHOR
I wrote my first Language Dictionary for The Israel Project in 2003. Since that time, Israel has had three Prime Ministers, several stalled peace initiatives, found itself the victim of attack from its northern and southern borders, and has suffered greatly in the court of public opinion.

On the other hand, the daily suicide bombings have stopped, and Hamas & Hezbollah have shown themselves to be the brutal terrorist organizations that Israel has warned about. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

All of the material in this document is new or updated based on research conducted in 2008 and 2009. Some of the language will be familiar; most of the “Words That Work” boxes come from Israeli representatives and spokespeople. But, the polling, strategic recommendations and guidance are all based on the current situation. I hope that advocates for Israel will benefit from the massive amount of work that went into the creation of this booklet. I also hope that this will be the last Israel Language Dictionary I ever have to craft.

And remember, it’s not what you say that counts. It’s what people hear.

Dr. Frank Luntz
April 2009

[Kryztian]

This may need its own thread - maybe - or perhaps better placed on the Israel-Palestine genocide thread, but, it does speak to how 'Zionism' in the guise of 'neo-conservatism' is (or was in 2002) sold to US military operatives, one of whom was at the time the extraordinary now former Lt Col Karen Kwiatkowski familiar to many of us from her periodic appearances with Judge Andrew Napolitano. There is a relevance to the thread theme here, albeit maybe a little tentative.


LtCol. Karen Kwiatkowski - The Lost Interview: The Whistleblower Who Tried To Stop A War

https://avalonlibrary.net/2004-07-22_LtCol_Karen_Kwiatkowski_-_The_Lost_Interview_-_The_Whistleblower_Who_Tried_To_Stop_A_War_%28interviewed_by_Kent_Bye%29.mp4


Thanks for this! This video rings so many bells on so many topics and could have been posted in many of Avalon's other threads.

The thread/narrative the comes to my mind first is of The Anglo-Saxon Mission (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission) for two reasons:


The Anglo Saxon Mission describes a group of powerful, influential people who are deeply committed to a certain objective but none of them seem to be able to give any ethical or moral reason at to why. They have blindly accepted that there is a certain agenda and their only concern it how it should be carried out regardless of the ethics and morality, the consequences to innocent people or the long term harm this agenda may do.


The agendas they are working towards are very long term plans that span over decades.

The Zionism/State of Israel is clearly a project of over a century and probably one of the most long term projects of groups The Anglo Saxon Mission. Lt Col Karen Kwiatkowski details here how high ranking individuals carry out the Zionist agenda with complete determination and without any toleration of debate about the issue and regard to the long term effects to U.S. security or the well being of any of the people who live within the borders of Israel/Palestine.

[Tintin]

"The indoctrination, radicalisation and grooming of Jewish kids at Jewish schools is not the limit of Zionist ambition. Zionist groups are attempting to infiltrate and co-opt all British schools. In 2021 the Secretary of State for Education, Right Honourable Gavin Williamson, sent headteachers a letter that schools should not ‘present materials in a politically biased or one-sided way’. Yet he promotes pro-Israel organisations such as Solutions Not Sides, the Community Security Trust (CST) and Forum for Discussion of Israel & Palestine (FODIP) which he claimed are ‘balanced. Each is influenced by Zionism and seeks to normalise Israel and its crimes." - David Miller (December 3, 2024)

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A sobering reminder that radicalisation starts in earnest at a tender age. It's a detail-rich and informative article, and also further lays out the (sadly successful) conflation of Jewish-ness, and Zionism rampant everywhere, just as intended.

It's long, and has many links, which I've not enabled here.

Article source: https://www.ihrc.org.uk/how-do-we-de-zionise-british-schools/

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How do we De-Zionise British schools?



As per other post-genocide projects to address the embedded ideologies that dehumanise and legitimise mass murder and wide spread atrocities, societies must in the current moment look to the de-Zionisation of their institutions. David Miller discussed why this is needed and how it might look in British schools.

There is a Jewish school in Birmingham, where it seems that less than 20% of the pupils are Jewish. It was reported some years ago that 80% of the pupils are Muslim. At this school the pupils sing Hatikvah and celebrate the anniversary of the creation of the Zionist entity each year with blue and white bunting. It is reported that “Students learn Hebrew and recite Jewish prayers every morning. They celebrate Jewish festivals, sing Jewish songs, and eat meals cooked in a kosher kitchen.” The school also celebrates both Jewish and “Israeli” festivals. There are reportedly also “annual visits of groups of former Israeli soldiers on Yom HaZikaron”. Yom HaZikaron or Memorial day commemorates “fallen” members of the occupation forces.

Here is a description from the Zionist press of the celebration at the school of the establishment of the settler colony from 2018.

On Israel’s Independence Day, which this year fell on April 19, Esther Cohen, King David’s head of religious education, kicked off the ceremony in the school gym with the Modeh Ani morning prayer in Hebrew followed by the Shema Yisrael prayer.

The student body, hand-drawn Israeli flags at their feet, dutifully recited the words. Then they closed their eyes for what Cohen called “tefillah to Hashem,” Hebrew for “prayer to God.” Most of the boys were wearing some sort of head cover — some kippahs and others the larger Muslim skullcap called taqiyah. Many girls also wore hijabs, the Muslim head cover for females.

Cohen showed the students two videos celebrating Israeli innovation and invited them to another tefillah, this time to “thank Hashem that he gave us Israel.” She asked the students to stand up to sing “Hatikvah,” which speaks of “being a free People in Zion, Jerusalem” — almost all of them sang the Hebrew-language anthem by heart.

Finally, the students were given permission to wave the flags after having been told not to fidget with them for the ceremony’s duration.

It was reported in the Zionist press in July this year that only 18 of the pupils are Jewish. According to the Department for Education that is out of a total of 204 pupils in total (data last confirmed 14 August 2024).

Shockingly, that suggests that only 8.8% of the pupils of this ”Jewish” school are Jewish. It’s not surprising that the most recent Ofsted inspection noticed that some of the Muslim parents objected to the propagation of the racist ideology of Zionism in the middle of a genocide. Even the headteacher Steve Langford admitted that while parents were “very supportive” of the school and respected its Jewish ethos “at all times,” some “have struggled with Israel’s special place in Judaism, as the biblical homeland of the Jewish people. Our Yom Ha’atzmaut celebrations took place, although scaled down due to the security situation and the absence of a key staff member.”

There are other areas of declining Jewish population in the UK where the remaining Jewish schools have significant numbers of Protestant, Catholic or Muslim pupils. This is the case at Calderwood School in Glasgow, and at the King David School in Liverpool. At these schools too there is a Zionist ethos – as opposed to a simply Jewish faith ethos.

Calderwood is the only Jewish school in Scotland. It was first set up in 1962 by the Zionist Federation, a strong clue to its orientation. In 1998 it was reported that, “Israel’s 50th anniversary has provided an extra celebration [at the school].

In addition to activities on the day itself, P7 pupils have done a project and prepared a database about Glasgow people, particularly those with associations with Calderwood Lodge, who have gone to live in Israel. The school has put on a special celebratory end-of-term production, which included a traditional Israeli line dance. A “Happy Birthday Israel” banner in Hebrew takes pride of place in the school hall.” In 1998 it was reported that not all students were Jewish: “approximately 10 per cent come from other faiths including Catholic, Protestant and Muslim”. In 2012 it was reported that “up to two thirds” of the pupils were Jewish. By 2017 the Times of Israel was reporting a further sharp decline in the proportion of Jewish students to 52%.

In Liverpool’s King David High School as of January 2023, it was reported by the Board of Deputies that, “There are 752 pupils on roll, of whom 11% are Jewish, whilst the majority are Roman Catholic (30%), Church of England (25%) [or] other Christian denominations (18%)”. Five percent of the pupils are Muslim. And yet the school insists in ramming the racist ideology of Zionism down the throats of all the pupils, Jewish and non-Jewish alike. This school has been Zionist since the beginning. It was here in 1972 that Tony Greenstein made his first steps towards anti-Zionism when he was expelled from the school.

He reports that the school was steeped in the Zionist ethos: “we never even heard the word Palestinian”, he said. Today the ethos of the school encourages “positive identification as being part of the Jewish family, Israel etc.” Students study “Israel in Geography” have “the opportunity for Year 9 pupils to experience living at Kibbutz Lavi, as well as prospective annual trips to Israel”. There is an Israel club and tutor groups are named after “four regions of Israel”. The school marks “Israel Independence Day” and involves “an Israeli-style breakfast” and “some sort of celebration”.

So, it appears there are Zionist schools in the UK. Who knew?

Until the genocide in Gaza hardly anyone even noticed that this was the case, never mind said that it was a problem. But the cruel and unrelenting nature of the genocide has sparked a new and more critical interest in the role of Zionism in the UK.

(article continues (https://www.ihrc.org.uk/how-do-we-de-zionise-british-schools/)..)

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[Ernie Nemeth]

The over-lapping triangles on the Israel flag is the Merkaba. Above all else, this figure represents the 'lost' science of the ancients.


"...You should have some understanding of how, operating in secrecy and infiltrating every level of government and vital industry including the press, the elect manipulate the people and nations of the world toward any direction desired. I hope you caught on to the fact that the secret power structure is toward totalitarian socialist state (fascism). It is not the Nazis, as they were a product of this power structure. It is not the Jews, although some very wealthy Jews are involved. It is not the communists, as they fit the same category as the Nazis. It is not the bankers, but they do play an important role. I also hope that you are beginning to look inside yourself to see if Their reality fits. Are you getting the message?..."

Behold a Pale Horse, William Cooper, 1991, page 96.

[pounamuknight]

Behold a Pale Horse, William Cooper, 1991, page 96.

That quote's from Chapter 2 about secret societies, those shadowy things JFK railed against:


The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies

April 27, 1961

These groups aren't populated with ordinary people like you & me, ordinary Jews, ordinary Palestinians, ordinary human beings

Cooper reiterates his fundamental message about these secret psycho societies

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The entire interview. At the 23 miniute mark, Cooper goes hard into Israel and Zionism

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[Ernie Nemeth]

"I give lectures all over the United States. At some point before, during or after every lecture, some well-meaning but misguided soul, tells me I have it all wrong and that it's the Jews, the Catholics, the communists, or the bankers that are the cause of all our ills. The target group is blamed for everything that has ever gone wrong. Power over everyone and everything is always attributed to this group - whichever group it happens to be at that moment to that person. These poor people are on the right track, in that there has been and certainly is a conspiracy to bring about a totalitarian world order. They are completely off track to think that any one ethnic, religious, or financial group alone could ever muster enough power to bring its plan to fruition. One group, you see, would always be opposed by all of the other special-interest groups that exist and have always existed throughout history. That is, unless they were all really the same group (Illuminati) or for some reason they become unified (the Bilderberg Group).

The one-group scenario, except for the Illuminati, has been used effectively to divert your attention away from the truth. It has caused you to fight each other in a manipulation that always leads the REAL conspiracy closer to its ultimate goal, a New World Order. Those of you who believe that Hitler was financed by the Jews so that he could murder Jews have a serious logic deficit. The fanatical leftists who tout that it's the Nazis behind the conspiracy have ignored the fact that very wealthy Jews are certainly involved, along with many Catholics, Protestants, communists, atheists, capitalists, Freemasons, etc., all of whom are diametrically opposed to each other, at least on the surface.

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The answer lies with the many faces of the Illuminati and the fact that several unifying reasons for bringing about the New World Order surfaced immediately following World War II."

Behold A Pale Horse, William Cooper, 1991, pg 164

[Rizotto]

https://www.rt.com/news/621365-iran-us-nuclear-talks/

Comment by “Andre” below the above article:

July 12-2025

“A research paper written by a U.S. Army major for the School of Advanced Military Studies in Fort Leavenworth, Kan., calls for Americans to lose the evangelical Christian belief of pre-millennialism because of the damage it does to the nation’s foreign interests.

«As a result of millennarian influences on our culture, most Americans think as absolutists,» Maj. Brian L. Stuckert wrote in his 2008 course requirement at the school for military officers.

He warns against the Christian beliefs espoused by many that the end times will involve Israel as God’s chosen nation, a final 1,000-year conflict between good and evil and an ultimate victory for God.

Among Stuckert’s interpretations:

«The U.S. millennial proclivity for an unqualified military defense of Israel will continue to be a potential flashpoint of great import. Both the United States and Israel believe that Iran poses a credible existential to the state of Israel – especially if it is able to develop or procure a nuclear warhead. … Because of the pre-millennial worldview, the U.S. will continue to adopt an adversarial approach to any country perceived as at odds with Israel. Since these conflicts are seen as deterministic and inevitable, there is little incentive to employ diplomacy or any other instrument of power other than the military in these situations.»

WorldNetDaily Saturday, April 03, 2010.”

“Real Christians know that the book of Revelation has been almost completely fulfilled. So there will be no anti Christ and fight between good and evil with the Jew as a chosen nation. Actually any so called Christian who believes that the Khazar ,Turkic Mongolian, non Semitic Jew is chosen actually denies Jesus and his mission.

The original Israel does not exist anymore. It was judged and obliterated in the year 70 as Jesus and prophets before Him had foretold many times. So good luck with being raptured :)”

[Irminsül]

There are still people who call you “antisemitic” when you expose things like what you’re showing. Even the term itself is already incorrect and misleading. I have Semitic ancestry myself, since on my father’s side my ancestors are Arabs from Syria. This world is upside down in many ways, and one of those ways has to do with this religion and people called the Jews.

First and foremost, I want to clarify that I am not “anti-Jewish.” I know that, as a people, they have done great things for humanity. But it’s also evident that they have a role in the darker side of the world. If I had to put it in percentages (this is a subjective opinion, obviously), I would say that of the 100% of those called the Illuminati or the shadow government (referring to the Western side), 70% are Jews or are connected to them.

The Epstein Island affair is not a minor issue, nor is the Weinstein case. And to conclude, the Talmud — which is one of the three sacred books in their religion, along with the Torah and the Zohar — says appalling and horrifying things about the goyim (goyim meaning anyone who is not Jewish).