Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Opening this new thread for discussion on the JFK File and Trump's promise to release it. A number of posts have been moved from the Trump is Not the Answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer) thread where this discussion did not really belong.

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If Trump releases the JFK Files, and what's in there is what we all think is in there -- that a branch of the deep state, namely the CIA, were meaningfully involved in the planning and execution of Kennedy's assassination, the cover-up thereof, the total whitewash thereof that was the Warren Commission, the silencing and indeed elimination thereof of numerous key witnesses over the years, and the installation thereof of one Lyndon B. Johnson, their puppet in waiting...then yeah, goddammit, I will love him. Because it will mean treason, won't it. High Treason.

A coup d'état...

This is the political/industrial/military/war complex we've been talking about for decades. They have, for all intents and purposes, divided, corrupted and ruled the world since the War. No one since Kennedy has had the balls to take them on, let alone pull it off. If Trump really does do this, and those files are as damning as we hope they are, he'll not only prove the "conspiracy theory" true, but that all those "retarded conspiracy theorists" (like us) were correct all along. That has the power to change everything, everything, and I mean, everything.

But we'll see, won't we.

[mountain_jim]

If Trump releases the JFK Files, and what's in there is what we all think is in there -- that a branch of the deep state, namely the CIA, were meaningfully involved in the planning and execution of Kennedy's assassination, the cover-up thereof, the total whitewash thereof that was the Warren Commission, the silencing and indeed elimination thereof of numerous key witnesses over the years, and the installation thereof of one Lyndon B. Johnson, their puppet in waiting...then yeah, goddammit, I will love him. Because it will mean treason, won't it. High Treason.

A coup d'état...

This is the political/industrial/military/war complex we've been talking about for decades. They have, for all intents and purposes, divided, corrupted and ruled the world since the War. No one since Kennedy has had the balls to take them on, let alone pull it off. If Trump really does do this, and those files are as damning as we hope they are, he'll not only prove the "conspiracy theory" true, but that all those "retarded conspiracy theorists" (like us) were correct all along. That has the power to change everything, everything, and I mean, everything.

But we'll see, won't we.


https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1856342200906391933

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Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
"If anyone is going to do it, it's going to be the son of one of the assassinated Kennedy brothers... It's storybook."

RFK Jr. running mate @NicoleShanahan reveals the "storybook" way for Trump to release the JFK files.

This would be poetic justice.

[T Smith]

If Trump releases the JFK Files, and what's in there is what we all think is in there -- that a branch of the deep state, namely the CIA, were meaningfully involved in the planning and execution of Kennedy's assassination, the cover-up thereof, the total whitewash thereof that was the Warren Commission, the silencing and indeed elimination thereof of numerous key witnesses over the years, and the installation thereof of one Lyndon B. Johnson, their puppet in waiting...then yeah, goddammit, I will love him. Because it will mean treason, won't it. High Treason.

A coup d'état...

I don't mean to sound arrogant, but I don't think--I know the CIA was involved in the execution and cover-up of the Kennedy assassination. Unless those files disclose that we are all slaves living in a simulation controlled by aliens, I don't really know what the big deal is about. The CIA planned and killed Kennedy. We would only be shocked to learn otherwise, and if Trump releases the JFK files, in full, take it to the bank any revelation therein will be anticlimactic.

Oh is that all? Tell us something we don't already know...

We don't need to know what's in the files. What we need, is for our government to admit what we all know they did so we can deal with the betrayal, move on, and begin to heal as a nation. We have been gaslit now for over sixty years--and the degree to which this absurd abuse is metastisizng in every ministry of truth telling and governance is dizzying. Inasmuch as a spouse finally coming clean and admitting to a suspected infidelity after adamantly gaslighting with absurd denials and psychological abuse, unfortunately the only thing that can come out of declassifying the JFK files is a national divorce from the CIA, and a forced rethinking of all the intelligence agencies and government institutions that have lied, covered up, and betrayed our trust all these years. For the past sixty one years nobody dared go there....which is why, IMHO, these files remain classified to this day.

Why is Trump THE answer? Because it's time to come clean and rethink this government experiment by and for the people, which has been occupied and on life support for the better part of the last century. No one else has had the stones or ability to pull that off. Nobody. Love or hate him, fearful or reverent of his prowess and of the promise or danger such political efficacy poses to the world, one man has co-opted and transformed the cuckold wing of the Uniparty and is seizing back control of government from the Deep State, and back into the hands of the people. That's not a deification. That's just a fact.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I don't mean to sound arrogant, but I don't think--I know the CIA was involved in the execution and cover-up of the Kennedy assassination. Unless those files disclose that we are all slaves living in a simulation controlled by aliens, I don't really know what the big deal is about.

I'll tell you what the big deal is.

You and I may know what's in those files, but the rest of the world are clueless. They live in a bubble created for them by the mainstream media! A bubble where Oswald, a 'lone commie nut', fired three times from the sixth-floor window of the Book Depository, striking Kennedy twice, once fatally. A bubble that denied it could have happened any other way, and scoffed at notions the government was involved, or that Johnson himself had foreknowledge. A bubble, also, where the North Vietnamese were to blame for the Gulf of Tonkin incident that triggered all-out war that would last another decade and kill tens of thousands of Americans. A bubble where two 100-storey sky-scrapers fell into their own footprint due to 'fire' and fire alone, and scoffed at notions that 9/11 was anything but Muslim terrorists who accidentally slipped through the net, and any mention of government complicity is considered downright offensive. And regarding Building 7...oh wait, in this bubble they've never even heard of Building 7.

And a bubble where the world's deadliest virus lurks behind every corner...but a flimsy face mask will save you. A bubble where taking the shot is for your own protection.

The bubble contains thousands more micro (fake) realities, all formed and fashioned by lies sanctioned by the state, then wrapped and delivered in a cute little bundle by a media narrative that most have placed their trust in for sixty years. Believe. Obey. Stay Asleep...or get a strike on social media, or a fact-check note from our friends at Wikipedia. Or become a social pariah -- where you'll be called a conspiracy theorist (which is really just a code-word for retarded) for the rest of your life.


Oh is that all? Tell us something we don't already know...

You seriously underestimate the existential earthquake that Official Disclosure of Kennedy's coup d'état would have on a sleeping world.

Thousands of questions will follow. A first one might be why was Kennedy killed - nay, executed? Why would our own government gun-down a sitting President, on a city street, in broad daylight, and then maliciously cover it up (killing off key witnesses along the way, oh yes), over a period of sixty years?


[[Spoiler alert: it was an intelligence hit on behalf of the aerospace industrial complex. Not oil men in Texas, or the mob, or Castro. Daniel Liszt has gathered up a great deal of evidence in this regard, and it's very compelling stuff. JFK was killed for the UFO file. He was about to blow the lid on it and share the technology with Russia]]

When I said 'if what's in those files is what we all think is in those files', I meant if the files are original -- un-tampered with in other words. If the world is about to see proof that "Kennedy was assassinated by his own government", it will act as a kind of permission-slip for people previously living in bubbles (and they number in the billions) to recognise that the conspiracies they denied all their lives are real.

And then surely the floodgates will open.

It has the potential to set-off a true great awakening. All those adjacent rabbit-holes, known to us for many years, will suddenly open up for the rest of the world -- places they didn't know exist, because they didn't believe they existed.

Seismic.

[T Smith]

I don't mean to sound arrogant, but I don't think--I know the CIA was involved in the execution and cover-up of the Kennedy assassination. Unless those files disclose that we are all slaves living in a simulation controlled by aliens, I don't really know what the big deal is about.

I'll tell you what the big deal is.

You and I may know what's in those files, but the rest of the world are clueless. They live in a bubble created for them by the mainstream media! A bubble where Oswald, a 'lone commie nut', fired three times from the sixth-floor window of the Book Depository, striking Kennedy twice, once fatally. A bubble that denied it could have happened any other way, and scoffed at notions the government was involved, or that Johnson himself had foreknowledge. A bubble, also, where the North Vietnamese were to blame for the Gulf of Tonkin incident that triggered all-out war that would last another decade and kill tens of thousands of Americans. A bubble where two 100-storey sky-scrapers fell into their own footprint due to 'fire' and fire alone, and scoffed at notions that 9/11 was anything but Muslim terrorists who accidentally slipped through the net, and any mention of government complicity is considered downright offensive. And regarding Building 7...oh wait, in this bubble they've never even heard of Building 7.



I have to admit this level of ignorance is frightening. I really don't understand it. So I suppose I do base my own assumptions on my own ignorance of pubic intuition and understanding.

Nothing about the JFK assassination, 9/11, or any other so-called conspiracy theories where the facts are so blatantly evident, is that hard to understand.

Regardless, if the sleeping masses are that clueless, it's time to wake them from their slumber. Open the files. It's up to those of us who have familiarized ourselves with the terrain of the adjacent rabbit holes to be the rational guides and a calm grounding presence during the great awakening.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

So I suppose I do base my own assumptions on my own ignorance of pubic intuition and understanding.

I think you must be. The public is utterly clueless. And by public I mean the sheep, the greater portion of the huddled masses who never troubled themselves to burrow a single inch into any of these so-called rabbit holes.

If you don't believe me, put out some feelers and experiment. Ask around your friends and family. Ask them who they think assassinated Kennedy, and why. Ask them about Ruby. Ask them about RFK, and MLK -- who shot them, and why? (I bet most couldn't even name the patsies who were wrongly sent down for those murders).

Then ask them other conspiracy-related questions: like 9/11, Bohemian Grove, and Roswell. Try Pizzagate on for size, Chemtrails, the climate scam, and Project Mockingbird that has infiltrated our media since the fifties. Their eyes will glaze over when you tell them about the Secret Space Program, the death of Princess Diana, HAARP, Drugs and the CIA, and MK-Ultra psyops...

The list could go on and on.

Look at this chart. I constructed it a while ago. It's designed to illustrate -- in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way -- the different stratas of belief and understanding when it comes to fringe ideas and conspiracies. But ostensibly, the TOTAL DISCONNECT of those who live at the bottom, in the inverted green triangle. That's where I estimate approximately 90% of the population live out their lives. Their entire lives.

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https://i.vgy.me/BhCoVH.jpg

[onawah]

There will never be an 'awakening' until...

I think the discussion has to go back to the looming disaster that puts all other disasters into an uncomfortable and rarely viewed perspective...


There will never be an 'awakening' until things are so bad as to be un-liveable amongst the majority of the population. I feel we have some way to go before that happens because too many here are quite comfortable in their lives and worse, because there is no spiritual unity amongst us, not enough people really give a damn if others are suffering.
I think it will take a seismic 'event' which will shake us to the core and awaken our 'one-ness'. What that event will be is anyone's guess but I feel it's the only way. If our 'election' results are anything to go by, then we simply do not have the luxury of time in which to naturally awaken because all exits are closing fast in this country.
It's going to take something quite extraordinary to shock us out of our trance

...A disaster that is eliminated from nearly every discussion because people are more or less struck dumb once it's been properly taken into consideration...
(Other than, perhaps, the question of regressive, hostile ETs or EDs (extra-dimensional beings) who want this planet for themselves.
Or parasitic beings who just want to suck humanity's energy, and the more Loosh the better.)

That question never seems to fit into the more mundane discussions about politics, world affairs etc.... not because it isn't valid, but because our brains just don't quite know how to incorporate such a "woo woo" perspective into the usual, more mundane subjects, however intelligently referenced the latter may be.

Conspiracy theorists are one of the few groups of people who should be able to integrate these subjects intelligently and coherently.
Even so, it seems to be very challenging and intimidating.
Inevitably discussions become divided into neater, more contained and manageable subjects, with the woo woo factor gradually either watered down or simply relegated to the most woo woo of all of the discussions.
(Which are usually at least somewhat discredited or "disreputable", in any case.)

But when it comes down to the spectre of the global cataclysms that push a giant Restart button every 6,000 and/or 12,000 years or so, discussion can simply sputter to a halt.
I'm referring to the subject matter that has been covered at length on this thread since 2019: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages&highlight=geomagnetic+reversal

...A thread which started out being viewed as generally unproven and "woo woo" but has gradually become more and more recognized as not only plausible, but probable by many here on Avalon.
The one way in which the looming disaster ( literally a "seismic event") can be incorporated into the overall discussions (about the state of the world and where it's headed) ...is to consider what needs to be preserved so that the next Restart will be as successful as possible.
Commencing by finding ways in which all the complicated distractions that are hindering those goals can be eliminated.

That necessitates an expansion of perspective and refraining from the kind of thinking we have all grown used to, which divides everything up neatly into categories that overlap only as much as is possible without going "off topic".
One thing that would certainly be desirable is the dissemination of information that has been so rigidly suppressed concerning advanced technology.
Such as Wade Frazier has discussed at length in his thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet
(...And more recently, here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117912-New-Inventions-and-Technology )

But a major roadblock to uniting such seemingly disparate subjects into a coherent discussion is that the cataclymic Restart that looms (estimated to be finished by sometime in the 2040s) could cause so much damage if humanity is not prepared, that it will mean a return to quite a primitive kind of existence.
Which is not unrealistic considering how dependent civilization is on the electric grid, something which the coming micronova will largely destroy if the grid is not somehow made much more sustainable, and soon.
Or some much more sustainble, advanced substitute is provided.

But how to narrow down all the distracting discussions into forms which will finally begin to focus on such problems which need our full attention if civilization is to survive, without having to return to a primitive pre-industrial state once the earth changes are done?
For one thing, there would have to be some agreement on how much time would have to pass before it would be possible for the survivors to reorganize and begin working together to form cohesive societies.
Judging by the amount of time it has taken previous civilizations that were decimated by the solar cycle cataclysms, it can take centuries.

All the more reason to get to the stage asap where discussion can begin which includes that extraordinary seismic event and how to prepare for it.
Though that may seem premature at this stage, that may simply be because we are mentally logjammed and not entirely willing as yet.
I've often wondered if the promised information which Trump refrained from disclosing during his first term of office (saying that anyone would do the same if they knew what it was) had to do with the 12,000 solar cycle.

That would undoubtedly be just the thing to shock us us out of our trance...

...Out of the varying levels of trance that prevail, that is...and each awakening mind may have an invisible effect on the still sleeping minds, via the " hundredth monkey" phenomena. https://www.hundredthmonkey.org/100th-monkey-effect/




The public is utterly clueless. And by public I mean the sheep, the greater portion of the huddled masses who never troubled themselves to burrow a single inch into any of these so-called rabbit holes.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

There will never be an 'awakening' until...

I think the discussion has to go back to the looming disaster that puts all other disasters into an uncomfortable and rarely viewed perspective...


There will never be an 'awakening' until things are so bad as to be un-liveable amongst the majority of the population. I feel we have some way to go before that happens because too many here are quite comfortable in their lives and worse, because there is no spiritual unity amongst us, not enough people really give a damn if others are suffering.
I think it will take a seismic 'event' which will shake us to the core and awaken our 'one-ness'. What that event will be is anyone's guess but I feel it's the only way. If our 'election' results are anything to go by, then we simply do not have the luxury of time in which to naturally awaken because all exits are closing fast in this country.

Though the number of people still asleep is shocking, I should mention the number waking up is also something to behold. Since covid, four years ago, there's been a huge increase in the people I know who are asking questions they would never have even thought of before. Just your average Joe, like people I work with. They don't trust the government now, don't trust the media, and are seriously starting to wake up.





It's going to take something quite extraordinary to shock us out of our trance

Covid was extraordinary. That happened. And it will happen again and to a far greater degree if proof is presented that the government assassinated its own president. Not forgetting their role in the aftermath -- blaming it on Oswald, killing JP Tippett to shut him up, using mafia stooge Jack Ruby to kill Oswald on live TV to shut him up, and the hijacking of the subsequent investigation, the stupid magic-bullet theory they pushed on us, and Warren the Commission that followed where those guilty of the crime essentially investigated themselves.

[mountain_jim]

So I suppose I do base my own assumptions on my own ignorance of pubic intuition and understanding.


Look at this chart. I constructed it a while ago. It's designed to illustrate -- in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way -- the different stratas of belief and understanding when it comes to fringe ideas and conspiracies. But ostensibly, the TOTAL DISCONNECT of those who live at the bottom, in the inverted green triangle. That's where I estimate approximately 90% of the population live out their lives. Their entire lives.



That chart is a fantastic graphic, Mark! :muscle:

(almost as good as the one that saved Prez-elect Trump :) )

[onawah]

Yet still no mention of the core subject of my post (though admittedly somewhat "off topic"), which is the coming global disasters (geomagnetic pole reversal, micronova, tsunamis, migration of continents, etc., all predicted to have occurred sometime before the end of the 2040s)...before which all other disasters pale in comparison.
That avoidance of the subject is exactly why I brought it up in the first place.
It's either the most extreme kind of denial, or the reality is still not believed, accepted or comprehended.
It surprises me that Avalonians apparently are still subject to those mindsets, considering the amount of focused discussion about it that has taken place at times in various threads.
Somehow it seldom is mentioned except within a very narrow context, yet there is no escaping the reality and far-reaching consequences which make every other issue look like a storm in a teacup.
Why is that?


[QUOTE=onawah;1642136]There will never be an 'awakening' until...
[QUOTE=onawah;1641954]I think the discussion has to go back to the looming disaster that puts all other disasters into an uncomfortable and rarely viewed perspective...

[ThePythonicCow]

So I suppose I do base my own assumptions on my own ignorance of pubic intuition and understanding.

I think you must be. The public is utterly clueless. And by public I mean the sheep, the greater portion of the huddled masses who never troubled themselves to burrow a single inch into any of these so-called rabbit holes.
For most of the likely major conspiracies of our time (Gulf of Tonkin, JFK/MLK/RFK assassinations, moon landings, 9/11, Covid, the USDA food pyramid, "modern" medicine, science, and economics, ...) there was a period of time, perhaps days long or perhaps decades long, where I thought the "main stream" narrative was more or less correct.

Life has become a series of lessons in treating others whom I think are hopeless idiots on some topic, with the same quiet amused tolerance as I have been belatedly grateful for others showing me in my moments of idiocy.

[ThePythonicCow]

That avoidance of the subject is exactly why I brought it up in the first place.
There are limits to how many paradigm shifts in major, quite distinct albeit inexplicably entangled, subjects we can engage in coherent or useful discussion at the same time.

For most of us much of the time, that limit seems to be zero or one such subject.

My no doubt limited understanding of each of these topics,
(1) the shift from thousands of years of tyrannical rule over humanity, and
(2) a 12,000 year climax in solar system energetic's,
barely, individually, fits in my little brain on a good day.

When and how those two dramas will entangle would best be discussed with a good friend after one too many glasses of "adult beverage."

[onawah]

I get it, but at some point the distraction factor is going to wear off ( I have no doubt it's a psyop) adequately, and the horrid truth will have to be faced full on/sober.
Otherwise people (conspiracy theorists in particular) will be kicking themselves unmercifully from now to kingdom come.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthumbs.dreamstime.com%2Fz%2Fkicking-myself-image-man-himself-37498981.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=18be83f9a7910767de297ce3c07f17386aada796dd04b636a427d3799a12625f&ipo=images


That avoidance of the subject is exactly why I brought it up in the first place.
There are limits to how many paradigm shifts in major, quite distinct albeit inexplicably entangled, subjects we can engage in coherent or useful discussion at the same time.

For most of us much of the time, that limit seems to be zero or one such subject.

My no doubt limited understanding of each of these topics,
(1) the shift from thousands of years of tyrannical rule over humanity, and
(2) a 12,000 year climax in solar system energetic's,
barely, individually, fits in my little brain on a good day.

When and how those two dramas will entangle would best be discussed with a good friend after one too many glasses of "adult beverage."

[ThePythonicCow]

I get it, but at some point the distraction factor is going to wear off ( I have no doubt it's a psyop) adequately, and the horrid truth will have to be faced full on/sober.
Otherwise people (conspiracy theorists in particular) will be kicking themselves unmercifully from now to kingdom come.
Yup - and we seem to be approaching the climax, when we will know how this crisis resolves - or at least how it transforms into some other dilemma (perhaps the collapse and eruption of our planet's and solar system's fields?)

Hang tough - keep your wits about you - and may we both live long enough to see the worst of this through, and work individually and with others around us to leave the world in a better place.

[onawah]

In the meantime, this could provide a good alternative distraction, if it all gets to be too much...:
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I get it, but at some point the distraction factor is going to wear off ( I have no doubt it's a psyop) adequately, and the horrid truth will have to be faced full on/sober.
Otherwise people (conspiracy theorists in particular) will be kicking themselves unmercifully from now to kingdom come.
Yup - and we seem to be approaching the climax, when we will know how this crisis resolves - or at least how it transforms into some other dilemma (perhaps the collapse and eruption of our planet's and solar system's fields?)

Hang tough - keep your wits about you - and may we both live long enough to see the worst of this through, and work individually and with others around us to leave the world in a better place.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Yet still no mention of the core subject of my post (though admittedly somewhat "off topic"), which is the coming global disasters (geomagnetic pole reversal, micronova, tsunamis, migration of continents, etc., all predicted to have occurred sometime before the end of the 2040s)

I didn't mention it because I didn't see any relevance: I don't believe in this "disaster" scenario.

There will be wild weather, there will be earthquakes and so on -- but a cataclysm to end all life on earth, or grossly reduce it to a trickle? No.

But that's just my opinion. Anyone can believe what they want to believe.

What I believe is coming is not a cataclysm, but an apocalypse.


Apocalypse
a·poc·a·lypse (ə-pŏk′ə-lĭps′)

n.
A prophetic disclosure; a revelation.

What form it arrives in I've no idea. Possibly a flash of light from the cosmos, or the sun. It's been predicted for many years. I first heard about it from psychics in 1991. Its time may finally be coming. The trigger, it's been told, will be the total energetic division of humanity along two separate time-lines (we can see something like that happening right now!). A dimensional shift shall result, and there will be two Earths. Sounds mad, right. But who knows!?? It sure is nice to imagine though...

A number of threads cover this hypothesis, mostly in the 2012 and Beyond (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?63-2012-and-Beyond) section. Also these threads:

Ascension, Dolores Cannon and '5D': Splitting into two Earths (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5348-Ascension-Dolores-Cannon-and-5D-Splitting-into-two-Earths)
The Future Earth (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth)

But none of that belongs in this thread.

:focus:

[Dennis Leahy]

I did not post my posts (above) in this thread. My posts were censored out of the "Trump is not the Answer" thread, and I'm asking that they, and DNA's posts (above) be restored to the thread where they are pertinent.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

They weren't censored, Dennis. A series of posts were batched-moved to this new thread, focused on the potential release of the JFK file. I don't know how your reply ended up in this thread. It wasn't anything I did. I made the move two hours before you even posted your reply. Whatever the case your post, and DNA's that you were replying to, have been moved back Trump is not the Answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1642214&viewfull=1#post1642214).

[mountain_jim]

This thread appears corrupted or commingled - or at least confusing to me because some posts contain the answer thread heading and some the JFK files heading

I refreshed the Trump answer thread tab and found myself here and confused about where it all went.

(I never clicked on or chose to go to the JFK thread - so the batch move reassigned the thread ID?)

[mountain_jim]

Yet still no mention of the core subject of my post (though admittedly somewhat "off topic"), which is the coming global disasters (geomagnetic pole reversal, micronova, tsunamis, migration of continents, etc., all predicted to have occurred sometime before the end of the 2040s)...before which all other disasters pale in comparison.
That avoidance of the subject is exactly why I brought it up in the first place.
It's either the most extreme kind of denial, or the reality is still not believed, accepted or comprehended.
It surprises me that Avalonians apparently are still subject to those mindsets, considering the amount of focused discussion about it that has taken place at times in various threads.
Somehow it seldom is mentioned except within a very narrow context, yet there is no escaping the reality and far-reaching consequences which make every other issue look like a storm in a teacup.
Why is that?


[QUOTE=onawah;1642136]There will never be an 'awakening' until...
[QUOTE=onawah;1641954]I think the discussion has to go back to the looming disaster that puts all other disasters into an uncomfortable and rarely viewed perspective...


One can understand the impending disaster cycle event without feeling that every local issue or policy discussion thread is helped by invoking that as the context being left out of the discussion.

That does not imply denial (at least for me), or a question of comprehension or belief.

For myself, I want the scales of US Justice balanced in the short term, and the corruption seen and understood, as that to me is an early step in the awakening needed to throw off the pervasive mind-control.

What do you expect us to do about it?


I watch and understand Ben's Suspicious Observer videos
I share this info when I find someone open to hearing it
I am prepped to the extent I can in the location I am bound to due to aging and infirm parental support requirements


I imagine that fully-truthed disclosure of the Alien presence and interference, suppressed tech, and weather control and modifications is a necessary pre-req to getting the earth disaster cycle info into any serious global or national planning state.

Along with that, getting the bloodline families feudalism history and manipulations disclosure is another pre-req.

None of us here are likely going to be able to get your primary issue focus in front of the public to any meaningful degree at present, so I ask again - what do you expect to be gained from bringing this into so many discussion threads?

And then suggesting denial for us not responding every time you bring it up?

My spiritual bottom line is that if I am still alive for it when it happens, it should be quite a (likely short-lived) ride, and if much of humanity is wiped out, perhaps that is the cleanup and restart that the planet and humanity need this time around.

If this is the timeline that Humanity will Awaken sufficiently in time to preserve the best of this civilization through the transition then great, and I will do my part as I can, but for me personally this is still just one incarnation among many in the ongoing evolution of my soul and our collective human group-soul.

[Dennis Leahy]

They weren't censored, Dennis. A series of posts were batched-moved to this new thread, focused on the potential release of the JFK file. I don't know how your reply ended up in this thread. It wasn't anything I did. I made the move two hours before you even posted your reply. Whatever the case your post, and DNA's that you were replying to, have been moved back Trump is not the Answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1642214&viewfull=1#post1642214).

Evidently, because I was in the Trump is not the answer (TINTA) thread while I was composing a long reply, and during that time you (or someone) moved some posts out of that thread and into this new thread, when I finally hit "submit", my post went to this JFK thread.

Only a couple of posts that got moved even mention JFK, and even the ones that did were deliberately posting in the TINTA thread. I'd recommend (from my post in members only): [ Well, 2 posts got moved back to the thread, but not all. There really shouldn't be but a few posts in the new JFK disclosure thread. Posts # 3,4,6,7,9,14 and 17 in this JFK thread should also be moved back to the thread where they came from.]

...and, after moving the posts back (please), please delete this post, post #23 in this thread, which will be superfluous once the threads are restored.

[onawah]

I am not the only one here who is attempting to bring the coming earth changes into focus and into the discussions, but sometimes it feels like I am.
Perhaps I have been over-compensating, and so it is reassuring to hear that others are sharing my concerns.

But I think denial largely IS a part of that equation too--not that the changes need to be THE main focus of more discussions, but I really do wonder how many are even considering its import.
Or how it may be affecting pretty much everything before very long, as the more obvious changes begin manifesting more and more.

Although the less obvious changes (such as the insanity of the Woke might well be) are difficult to trace back to any particular cause, it would be encouraging if there were more signs of a dawning awarness.
...Inasmuch as it may be the duty of those of us who are aware to help make others aware of the vast implications.

Skillful means can be adopted to make the task easier--it doesn't need to be shouted from the rooftops or be the cause of global riots--that is the very thing to be avoided if possible.
Avoidance of the issue is understandable since it is obviously a mind-boggling prospect from any angle, but the longer it is put off, the more daunting the task may become.
And the tasks that can help ensure the survivors have what they need to make the restart as successful as possible.

Finally, the transition from this lifetime, in the final years of this paradigm to the newly emerging one, will hardly be typical of one incarnation to the next, and expectations need to be adjusted accordingly.
For one thing, Earth's population will be much reduced after the changes, so many souls will be incarnating elsewhere until such a time as Earth can again support a larger population.
How to prepare for that mentally, emotionally and spiritually, would be important, and hopefully more will be stepping up to provide support for that kind of transition.

Some psychics and clairvoyants have posited that there are such large numbers of souls on Earth at this time because many souls from other worlds have come here to experience what this kind of transition entails, as they will be returning to their worlds of origin in order to help prepare those worlds for their own, similar transitions.
Whether true or not, it sounds logical, and no doubt it would be helpful if those souls could be made more aware of their purpose here.

Focus doesn't need to be shifted so much from the more concerning issues of the present, but at some point there will need to be more focus devoted to the Shift itself if a realistic and balanced perspective is to be achieved.



One can understand the impending disaster cycle event without feeling that every local issue or policy discussion thread is helped by invoking that as the context being left out of the discussion.
That does not imply denial (at least for me), or a question of comprehension or belief.
For myself, I want the scales of US Justice balanced in the short term, and the corruption seen and understood, as that to me is an early step in the awakening needed to throw off the pervasive mind-control.
What do you expect us to do about it?

I watch and understand the Suspicious Observer videos
I share this info when I find someone open to hearing it
I am prepped to the extent I can in the location I am bound to due to aging and infirm parental support requirements

I imagine that fully-truthed disclosure of the Alien presence and interference, suppressed tech, and weather control and modifications is a necessary pre-req to getting the earth disaster cycle info into any serious global or national planning state.
Along with that, getting the bloodline families feudalism history and manipulations disclosure is another pre-req.
None of us here are likely going to be able to get your primary issue focus in front of the public to any meaningful degree at present, so I ask again - what do you expect to be gained from bringing this into so many discussion threads?
And then suggesting denial for us not responding every time you bring it up?
My spiritual bottom line is that if I am still alive for it when it happens, it should be quite a (likely short-lived) ride, and if much of humanity is wiped out, perhaps that is the cleanup and restart that the planet and humanity need this time around.
If this is the timeline that Humanity will Awaken sufficiently in time to preserve the best of this civilization through the transition then great, and I will do my part as I can, but for me personally this is still just one incarnation among many in the ongoing evolution of my soul and our collective human group-soul.

[grapevine]

Opening this new thread for discussion on the JFK File and Trump's promise to release it. A number of posts have been moved from the Trump is Not the Answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer) thread where this discussion did not really belong.

*****

If Trump releases the JFK Files, and what's in there is what we all think is in there -- that a branch of the deep state, namely the CIA, were meaningfully involved in the planning and execution of Kennedy's assassination, the cover-up thereof, the total whitewash thereof that was the Warren Commission, the silencing and indeed elimination thereof of numerous key witnesses over the years, and the installation thereof of one Lyndon B. Johnson, their puppet in waiting...then yeah, goddammit, I will love him. Because it will mean treason, won't it. High Treason.

A coup d'état...

This is the political/industrial/military/war complex we've been talking about for decades. They have, for all intents and purposes, divided, corrupted and ruled the world since the War. No one since Kennedy has had the balls to take them on, let alone pull it off. If Trump really does do this, and those files are as damning as we hope they are, he'll not only prove the "conspiracy theory" true, but that all those "retarded conspiracy theorists" (like us) were correct all along. That has the power to change everything, everything, and I mean, everything.

But we'll see, won't we.

Even though I was just a kid, and a British kid at that, I remember feeling shocked and heartbroken when JFK was assassinated because to an 11 year old little girl, President John Fitzgerald Kennedy and Prince Charming were one and the same.

So I really hope that Donald Trump makes good his promise so that JFK can finally be laid to rest in the minds of the people. There must be a reason he didn't release them before so there's probably information in there which would endanger the lives of people still living. So I'm thinking the rumours about the involvement of Lyndon B Johnson must be false.

[mountain_jim]

Finally, the transition from this lifetime, in the final years of this paradigm to the newly emerging one, will hardly be typical of one incarnation to the next, and expectations need to be adjusted accordingly.


Yes, upon re-reading my post I was not happy with how I worded that:



but for me personally this is still just one incarnation among many in the ongoing evolution of my soul and our collective human group-soul.


- as I also have long felt I chose to be here on this planet at this time for soul-important reasons, a mass awakening or consciousness shift perhaps, or perhaps some collective karmic balancing from failed collective choices during transitions in the past.

I don't have previous-life details available to my conscious mind at this point, just an intuition that the current time/timeline is key and I am here for it, but it likely took my soul quite a few lives to be ready and in position for THIS. :sunrise:


:focus:

Getting back to the current thread focus, I think there is plenty of (at least) circumstantial evidence that Johnson was involved.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Evidently, because I was in the Trump is not the answer (TINTA) thread while I was composing a long reply, and during that time you (or someone) moved some posts out of that thread and into this new thread, when I finally hit "submit", my post went to this JFK thread.

It's possible there's a weird little software bug where, if one is sitting in thread [A] and composing a reply to a post in thread [A], and then that post you're replying to gets moved to thread [B], your reply gets automatically moved to thread [B] also, without any input (from me). That's the only thing I can think of as to why your post was caught up in the move.

As to the other posts which were intentionally selected for the move, you're quite right, as was Jim -- several do not belong in this thread. That's entirely my fault for making the assumption that all were related, tangentially or otherwise, to the JFK theme which, after a period of dormancy, had reignited the thread. I should not have skim-read a portion of these posts, but carefully checked all of them before moving them over. I made a big fat mess and I hold my hand up for that.

All wrongly moved posts have now been returned to their original location in Trump Is Not The Answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer/page121).

Sincere apologies for the confusion, hopefully order has now been restored. :heart::heart:

[Tintin]

Opening this new thread for discussion on the JFK File and Trump's promise to release it. A number of posts have been moved from the Trump is Not the Answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer) thread where this discussion did not really belong.

*****

If Trump releases the JFK Files, and what's in there is what we all think is in there -- that a branch of the deep state, namely the CIA, were meaningfully involved in the planning and execution of Kennedy's assassination, the cover-up thereof, the total whitewash thereof that was the Warren Commission, the silencing and indeed elimination thereof of numerous key witnesses over the years, and the installation thereof of one Lyndon B. Johnson, their puppet in waiting...then yeah, goddammit, I will love him. Because it will mean treason, won't it. High Treason.

A coup d'état...

This is the political/industrial/military/war complex we've been talking about for decades. They have, for all intents and purposes, divided, corrupted and ruled the world since the War. No one since Kennedy has had the balls to take them on, let alone pull it off. If Trump really does do this, and those files are as damning as we hope they are, he'll not only prove the "conspiracy theory" true, but that all those "retarded conspiracy theorists" (like us) were correct all along. That has the power to change everything, everything, and I mean, everything.

But we'll see, won't we.

Even though I was just a kid, and a British kid at that, I remember feeling shocked and heartbroken when JFK was assassinated because to an 11 year old little girl, President John Fitzgerald Kennedy and Prince Charming were one and the same.

So I really hope that Donald Trump makes good his promise so that JFK can finally be laid to rest in the minds of the people. There must be a reason he didn't release them before so there's probably information in there which would endanger the lives of people still living. So I'm thinking the rumours about the involvement of Lyndon B Johnson must be false.

A great opportunity here to perhaps digest some of this from Wade Frazier (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=1642335&viewfull=1#post1642335)'s typically astoundingly good contributions.

And copying this from here (https://ahealedplanet.net/preview.htm#jfk) (without all the links):



After I read Gary Wean’s book on the corruption in the county where I was raised, I did not believe the official verdict on JFK’s murder. My father never believed it and I guess that I never did, but my feelings were not strong. But Gary’s account came at the critical juncture in my life. I never doubted Gary’s account of his meeting with John Tower three weeks after JFK’s murder, when he heard about Lee Harvey Oswald’s real role in JFK’s murder: Oswald was part of a backfired CIA operation intended to frame Castro for an assassination attempt on JFK, to goad JFK into finally approving an invasion of Cuba. Twelve years of study later, I published my findings.

I never saw a credible piece of evidence contradict the Tower conversation, and as more evidence came to light it further confirmed it, such as the Operation Northwoods document, which was declassified several years after Gary published his book. JFK quickly rejected Northwoods in early 1962 but in another amazing “coincidence,” the Joint Chiefs revived Northwoods a year later, soon after E. Howard Hunt recruited Oswald into his fake assassination plan. Both were plans to frame Castro to justify invading Cuba, which on the heels of the Cuban Missile Crisis is about as Strangelovian as it gets. Planning those operations at the same time has to be one of the “coincidences” of the century. Of course, JFK was out-of-the-loop for both operations, which costed him his life.

Today’s most prominent scenarios on how JFK was killed are very close to what Tower spoke of. However, those leading scenarios miss the fabricated attempt that the operation officially operated under, which would greatly change the dynamics of the cover-up from what an outright murder operation would produce. There is plenty of speculation that Nixon’s downfall also came courtesy of the MIC, when Nixon, in his turn, tried to cool off the Cold War.

My years of study also included Chomsky’s work. Chomsky and the “left” in general dismissed the significance of JFK’s murder and generally agreed with the Warren Commission’s conclusions (Herman did not, however, and was intrigued by the Tower conversation). I was influenced by their arguments, but only a little. In the 23 years since I first published my account, and especially in the past decade, my views on JFK’s murder have changed somewhat.

JFK was an anomaly in American politics. His actions as president showed it, but it has taken a lot of revisionist history to make that clearer to me. JFK was no saint and all too human, but the West never had a leader like him before or since. The two presidents before him and the two after him privately called American blacks the N-word, but not only didn’t JFK do that, no president ever treated Africa better than JFK did, which eluded the analyses of Chomsky and friends. Not only did JFK treat Africa as no other Western head of state ever did, he played key roles in many progressive causes. Those effects are still felt today, such as in civil rights, environmental protection, nuclear arms control (including avoiding nuclear war, which was his greatest achievement), grappling with Wall Street, initiatives such as the Peace Corps, his support for the Non-Aligned Movement and the Alliance for Progress, and he was never going to send American ground troops to Vietnam.

While those stances by JFK can be seen as progressive and humanitarian, although some were driven by anticommunism, they angered the American oligarchy. David Rockefeller was JFK’s public-policy adversary as he represented Wall Street and its “humanitarian” leanings. :) David's brother Nelson began his run for president against JFK in 1963 and was the early frontrunner for the Republican nomination (and he ran in 1960 and 1968).

Johnson reversed JFK’s Vietnam policy (to pull out of Vietnam) before he was even buried. Johnson also made 180-degree about-faces on a number of JFK’s policies. Indonesia’s leader, Sukarno, was a founder of the Non-Aligned Movement, which wanted nothing to do with the Cold War – those nations wanted to industrialize. Allen Dulles’s CIA tried to overthrow Sukarno in 1958. Kennedy anticipated a very busy 1964, not only planning to end the Cold War but also making a visit to Indonesia, for which Sukarno built JFK his own house to stay in during his expected visit. When Johnson assumed the presidency upon JFK’s murder, on the Oval Office desk was an aid payment to Indonesia, awaiting JFK’s routine approval. Not only did Johnson refuse to sign it, but a little over three years later the USA backed the overthrow of Sukarno by the Indonesian military, which subsequently murdered about one million people, mainly ethnic Chinese, who comprised the bulk of Indonesia’s Communist Party. The new dictator, Suharto, committed two more genocides in his American-supported reign, in East Timor and Papua New Guinea. In American propaganda, Suharto became a “good genocidist.”

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Personally I think it's doubtful he will release the unredacted files - from here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120811-The-2024-US-POTUS-Election-and-now-the-aftermath&p=1641957&viewfull=1#post1641957) and listen to Andrew Napolitano, carefully:

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Concerning declassifications:

- JFK: .....

Remember this: Judge Napolitano from March this year:

"Who are "they"?" (perhaps Bill Hicks was right after all when he 'joked' over 30 years ago now about "..(new President) invited into a dark room somewhere and shown a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle never seen before..")

https://avalonlibrary.net/2024-03-15_Judge_Andrew_Napolitano_comments_on_conversation_he_had_w_Donald_Trump_concerning_JFK_assassinati on_files.mp4

[Tintin]

Following on from the above post, more from Wade here (https://ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#tower) linking to the Tower conversation (https://ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#tower) referenced:


The first edition of There's a Fish in the Courthouse was published in 1987, and tells of a meeting that Gary attended in late 1963. One of Gary's closest friends was Audie Murphy, who was America's most decorated soldier who became a Hollywood movie star. During World War II, Murphy battled hundreds of German soldiers and six tanks single-handedly near Holtzwihr, France, while he was firing a machine gun from atop a burning vehicle filled with explosives. It stands as one of the most heroic feats from any war. Murphy suffered from “shell shock” (now called Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome) for the rest of his life.

Murphy was from Texas, and Bill Decker, Dallas County's sheriff, was his friend, who also presided over Murphy’s wedding to a Hollywood actress. Decker came to California regularly on business, and when he came to town, Gary would arrange for Murphy, Decker, himself, and his partner to dine at the Police Academy. About two weeks after the JFK assassination, in early December 1963, Decker was in town and they all had lunch together. The topic of conversation quickly turned to what arms experts across the nation were discussing: how could Oswald have made those shots with that poor shooting position and mediocre rifle to kill John Kennedy? Nobody at that table thought that it was possible for Oswald to have made those shots.

After they arrived at their conclusion, Decker told them that he knew that Oswald had not fired the shots, and that a man in Dallas wanted to talk to somebody about it. Oswald died while being transferred to Decker’s custody. Decker knew somebody who could set the record straight, who wanted to talk to somebody not connected to Dallas or Washington. Murphy was interested, and the next week, Murphy, Gary, and his partner were flying to Ruidoso, New Mexico to meet Decker and his friend.

They met at the airport and went to a diner to talk. Decker's friend was named John. According to John, Oswald was anything but a “lone nut.” He was an American intelligence agent acting under the direction of E. Howard Hunt. Oswald had been recruited into military intelligence when he joined the Marines. His patronage of an expensive Tokyo nightclub as a private, his learning Russian at the highly sensitive U-2 base in Japan, his defection to the Soviet Union, and other oddities were all part of his intelligence career. His intelligence career probably began even before his Marine days, when he was a cadet in 1955 in David Ferrie’s Civil Air Patrol unit; “coincidentally,” Oswald began his “fascination” with communism at the same time. Oswald was developing "communist" credentials for his future activities in infiltrating communist organizations. It was a fairly normal American intelligence path.[5]

Oswald was inducted into the CIA's covert activities and came under Hunt’s direction. Hunt was a major player in mounting the failed Bay of Pigs invasion, and he, as with many others in the military and CIA, blamed Kennedy for the failure (Kennedy refused to call in openly American air support). Hunt dreamed up the crazy assassination attempts on Castro that the United States tried. Hunt's mission in life was eliminating Castro. Oswald came into Hunt's control, and was thrown into the cauldron of the Cuban exile communities in Miami and New Orleans. Oswald did not initially know what his mission would be.

Hunt was paranoid about Oswald's Russian wife and thought that she might be a Russian spy, so Oswald could tell her nothing about his activities. Oswald’s joining Fair Play for Cuba and his staged “murder attempt” on General Walker were all part of giving Oswald “credentials” that would make his upcoming performance more believable. Hunt had concocted the most bizarre assassination intrigue of all time. Oswald was going to participate in a fake assassination attempt on John Kennedy and frame Castro for it. Oswald’s alleged visit to the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City was part of laying an elaborate trail to Cuba. Hunt believed that if Castro could be implicated in an assassination attempt on JFK, the American people could be riled up into supporting an outright invasion of Cuba.

JFK was not aware of the fake assassination plan, but high-ranking officials in the government and his administration were. Military intelligence, the FBI, and the CIA were all involved. Oswald was initially leery of Hunt’s plan, but with assurances and after seeing the high-level people involved, he went along with it. Oswald was to fire his rifle into the air, then go into hiding, and the false trail to Cuba was laid. He could come home to a hero’s welcome and live a normal life after the USA finished mopping up Cuba.

But something went horribly wrong. The fake assassination turned into a real one. Somebody had infiltrated the operation, interposed the mission, and killed JFK. The real assassins tried killing Oswald after JFK was killed, but policeman Tippit was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was killed. Oswald escaped, to be captured alive. John said that he knew that Oswald would not have shot a policeman under any circumstances. At the end of his mind-blowing tale, John handed a thick manila envelope to Gary, sealed with wax with a thumbprint on it, which contained the documents that John said would prove his story.

Murphy, Gary, and his partner flew back to California. They knew that the situation was too big and dangerous for them to pursue. John said that if he went public with his story, he would quickly disappear, never to be heard from again. Gary had Audie store the envelope with other evidence that he was holding for Gary. A few days after that meeting, Decker called Murphy. As John was telling his story in Ruidoso, the CIA and intelligence community were in shock. They did not know what to do and were paralyzed with fear. As they recovered from their shock, they saw themselves facing the firing squad if their involvement in the assassination intrigue became known. The intelligence community decided that they would do everything they could to cover their tracks by invoking “national security.” Decker told Murphy that John had given him the envelope of documents in a moment of panic, and that if Murphy did not give the envelope back, he would be “destroyed.” Murphy did some fast thinking and told Decker that they had torn the envelope into pieces and threw the shreds out of the airplane as they were flying back to California.[6]

That is what Gary said he witnessed, and I have no doubt that he faithfully reported his experiences.

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I can also recommend Matthew Smith's "The Second Plot (https://www.amazon.co.uk/JFK-Second-Plot-Matthew-Smith/dp/1840185015)" which I read more than once quite some many many years ago now, as a handy reference

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

But something went horribly wrong. The fake assassination turned into a real one. Somebody had infiltrated the operation, interposed the mission, and killed JFK. The real assassins tried killing Oswald after JFK was killed, but policeman Tippit was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was killed. Oswald escaped, to be captured alive. John said that he knew that Oswald would not have shot a policeman under any circumstances. At the end of his mind-blowing tale, John handed a thick manila envelope to Gary, sealed with wax with a thumbprint on it, which contained the documents that John said would prove his story.


This strongly tallies with the scenario we've been hearing for several years, and from multiple researchers. Tippit, according to Jim Marrs, was what you might call a bit of a bent copper. Dallas PD was full of them at the time, working side by side with the Mob in all sort of rackets. That day, Tippit was supposed to be Oswald's ride -- his getaway driver (so not simply an "innocent bystander"). He was part of the scheme, in league with Oswald, and so like Oswald had to be eliminated. I think, if memory serves, Marrs fingered the likely shooter, but it wasn't Oswald. This can be proven by the time-line, which in the "official account" has been skewed. Allegedly, at the moment Tippit was shot, Oswald had already entered the Texas Theatre, more than half a mile away.

[Dennis Leahy]

[my opinions after my research]

I've spent quite a bit of time researching the JFK hit, and one thing that has to be recognized is the compartmentalization of government operations, especially clandestine operations. The footsoldiers do not know the whole plan, just their tiny piece. You'd have to speak with Allen Dulles to find out the whole story and all its pieces, and he ain't talking. If some member of the team was told it was supposed to be a fake assassination attempt, and believed that, they would report it was a fake assassination that some rogue element turned live. That doesn't mean it was really a fake assassination, just that some team members were told that.

There's also the theory proposed that a shooter down in the sewer shot JFK, though there is no forensic evidence to back it, and the angle of the shot is illogical. But, for those that sense that they can discern truth being spoken, the confession by the shooter is very compelling.

JFK was killed by James Files, a mob shooter who was part of a small team headed by mobster Charles Nicoletti ["Charles Nicoletti also known as "Chuckie the Typewriter", was an American mobster of the Chicago Outfit, who served as hitman under boss Sam Giancana..."] Nicoletti was hired by the CIA to kill JFK. Files says there were other shooters on the scene, but other than his small team under Nicoletti, he couldn't name them. Nicoletti's team had a CIA handler.

I'd guess that the "JFK assassination files" being released unredacted is not going to tell us much. There is no piece of paper in the files where Dulles says, "gotta meet with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and LBJ to sign off on murdering Kennedy." The most damning paper trail evidence is that Oswald had indeed been employed by the CIA prior to the assassination. Also, Oswald (a patsy, just as he stated) made his one call from jail to his old CIA handler.

There's never going to be a piece of paper found that tells the assassination story - it doesn't exist. The release of the rest of the JFK files will be unimpressive and inconclusive, and even proving Oswald was CIA will be downplayed as an ex-CIA agent gone rogue and that this was embarrassing to the CIA and so they hid that one fact, but they will disavow any connection to the assassination.

[/my opinions after my research]

[Dennis Leahy]

Evidently, because I was in the Trump is not the answer (TINTA) thread while I was composing a long reply, and during that time you (or someone) moved some posts out of that thread and into this new thread, when I finally hit "submit", my post went to this JFK thread.

It's possible there's a weird little software bug where, if one is sitting in thread [A] and composing a reply to a post in thread [A], and then that post you're replying to gets moved to thread [B], your reply gets automatically moved to thread [B] also, without any input (from me). That's the only thing I can think of as to why your post was caught up in the move.

As to the other posts which were intentionally selected for the move, you're quite right, as was Jim -- several do not belong in this thread. That's entirely my fault for making the assumption that all were related, tangentially or otherwise, to the JFK theme which, after a period of dormancy, had reignited the thread. I should not have skim-read a portion of these posts, but carefully checked all of them before moving them over. I made a big fat mess and I hold my hand up for that.

All wrongly moved posts have now been returned to their original location in Trump Is Not The Answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer/page121).

Sincere apologies for the confusion, hopefully order has now been restored. :heart::heart:


Thanks, Mark!

Sincere apologies for my reaction to believing that I was being censored on this final remaining online platform where truth is spoken. It was my displaced anger at Zuckerpunch, who destroyed my ability to warn my friends and "friends" on faceboog about the demon injections. So sorry to have even thought for a moment it was happening here, too.

I'll take this opportunity to thank you for your energy, efforts, and TIME in being a moderator here at Avalon. You ain't well paid, but you are well loved! :heart:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Many thanks Dennis. No one on Avalon would ever be censored or silenced, unless pushing something deeply unpleasant and hateful, or just loony-tunes (Flat Earth comes to mind), so rest assured, this final bastion for freedom of speech remains intact, and shall always remain, so long as the lights stay on and we are still here to maintain it.

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[Eric J (Viking)]

More here

After 55 years of suppression, U.S. intelligence recently released documents from the classified JFK assassination archive that reveal there were two code operators in secret American military installations independent of one another who discovered chatter — decidedly secret chatter — about the coming assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy.

Here are government links to the newly released documents: (1) – (2) – (3) – (4) – (5) – (6)

In addition the NSA declassifed in 2017 this document relating to one of the code operators, David F. Christensen.

You will note that the narrative surrounding these code operators is that they “had mental issues and breakdowns” shortly after trying to go up the chain of command with their intelligence. What a coinkydink. It goes without saying that mental issues can be brought about synthetically in otherwise normal people. There is strong indication that is what happened to James Forrestal, to cite one example.

The Case of James Forrestal and the Take Downs of Real America Firsters

Private First Class Eugene Dinkin worked in Metz, France. He was a cryptographic code operator for the U.S. Army and, in early November 1963, three weeks before the assassination, he discovered a plot to assassinate the president of the United States.

Updated: Although these new documents don’t name names that Dinkins is alleged to have come across- an open source search reveals a slew of articles and comments going back years suggesting the following were involved connected with Dinkins information even before the new revelations: French-Corsican assassin Jean Souetre, Guy Banister and William Harvey.

For example a 1999 FOIA request log where the link now comes up gray. The rest however is revealing.

[PDF]FOIA Logs for Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) – Government Attic www.governmentattic.org/docs/FOIA_Logs_CIA_1999-2004.pdf

Dec 10, 2007 – ALLEGATIONS THAT EUGENE DINKINS HAD KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY …… WILLIAM KING HARVEY; CLARA “C.G.” HARVEY …… JEAN RENE SOUETRE …… F-1999-01037 GUY BANNISTER ASSOCIATES.

As Winter Watch covered, Howard Hunt fingered William Harvey’s involvement as well as an assassin he dubbed the “French grassy-knoll gunman.” Guy Bannister, who died mysteriously soon after the JFK hit, was affiliated with David Ferrie and Lee Harvey Oswald. Hunt is about as close as one can get to an operational insider revelation.

The Shakespearean Tale of E. Howard Hunt’s JFK Assassination Confession
Private Dinkin had a friend mail a letter to Robert Kennedy. The letter warned RFK that an assassination plot was underway and would occur in Texas around Nov. 28, 1963. Dinkin said that the plan was that the murder would be blamed on either a communist or a negro.

Dickins then deserted his post and made it to Switzerland to a U.N. press briefing room, where he thought he might get a better reception. The U.S. military picked him up and shipped him off to Walter Reed to a psychiatric ward. He was confined for the next six months. The two now-released cables confirm that Dinkins went to Geneva on Nov. 6 with his story. Neither the FBI nor the Warren Commission ever investigated the Dinkin case.

Completely separate from Dinkins, David Christensen was an Air Force sergeant who was stationed at a listening post in Kirknewton, Scotland. He intercepted a communication in October 1963 that an assassination attempt would be made on Kennedy. Sgt. Christensen, like Eugene Dinkin, was summarily “committed to a mental institution.” Most curiously, it was necessary to keep classified information and details about the two military personnel for 55 years. Why?

A letter Christensen wrote is here from the document dump. It is rambling, but he mentions the JFK assassination link he received “six weeks to one month” before the big event. He goes on to name “****in’ Forney and Delaughter” as being instrumental in blocking him from getting the intel to NSA. He then refers to Forney and Delaughter as organized crime.



Documents reveal that an interview related to Christensen was conducted in 1978 two staffers (Kenneth Klein and Gary Cornwell) of the House Select Committee on Assassinations. I find it curious that this interview was with a Sgt. Stevenson, who was stationed with Christensen, not the source himself. Stevenson discounted the Christensen story. So the committee knew about Christensen’s claims but didn’t pursue the source? Here is how they dealt with it in the memorandum:

The staffers remain particularly interested in determining the name of the individual who Mr. Christensen believes relates to the assassination. They will explore means of determining this information to include the possibility of having Sgt. Stevenson call Christensen and ask him for the identity (Stevenson indicated his extreme unwillingness to do this).

Winter Watch Takeaway: Seriously? Why didn’t Klein and/or Cornwall make the call or visit to Christensen? First they brand Christensen as a crazy and then fail to pursue a contact with him. What a circus and typical Crime Syndicate cover up and M.O, and a method we encounter with a lot in other crimes.

This account also answers the refrain from pajama people that “someone would talk.” The answer is they do, and frequently are suppressed, killed, gaslighted and thrown into mental institutions.

___
https://www.winterwatch.net/2024/11/newly-released-jfk-files-reveal-us-military-intercepted-coded-messages-about-assassination-plot/

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

INCOMING ALERT:

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JohnRocker
@itsJohnRocker
BREAKING: JFK files are reportedly releasing today as early as 3pm.

LETS FCKING GO
https://x.com/itsJohnRocker/status/1882140638642397451

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Latest news from Luna:


**All declassified JFK documents will be housed at the link below. As soon as releases begin, you will able to access them on this website.

http://archives.gov/jfk (http://archives.gov/jfk)**

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https://x.com/RepLuna/status/1897501319444791623

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna
@RepLuna
Myself, @GOPoversight
& @RepEliCrane
will be meeting with @DNIGabbard
tomorrow AM to discuss timeline for the JFK document releases.

All declassified JFK documents will be housed at the link below. As soon as releases begin, you will able to access them on this website.

http://archives.gov/jfk

Thank you @USNatArchives
for working quickly to get this up!

Radical transparency is what the American people mandated and it is what they will get. 🙏🏼

Read press release 👇🏼 below
https://archives.gov/press/press-re

[grapevine]

Quote from Mark (Star Mariner) link:
"Most Kennedy Assassination Records Are Already Available

The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection consists of more than six million pages of assassination-related records. The vast majority of this Collection has been declassified and is already available to the public either in-person or online. "

What??
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tenor.com%2F9LErCSMwn7YAAAAC%2Fdoctor-who-what.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=ffbb36b151bdbd257bd062c6ffcd29bbde744c77502e789e259bfa48e7e9e940&ipo=images

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Not a whole lot of new stuff in there though, and certainly no smoking gun (literally), which is why they were previously declassified. We expect -- we hope -- this new release will contain all the material they've been holding back for a reason. Previously we've only had gravy, it's time for the meat and potatoes.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It's been sixty-one years and four months (give or take) since a bullet in Dallas, Texas, changed the world forever. At long last, tomorrow appears to be the day we finally learn what happened, who was behind it and why.

https://media.tenor.com/c7aER1NbOSwAAAAM/summer-break.gif

BREAKING:
80,000 files to drop tomorrow. According to Trump, they're "very interesting". Also, NO redactions.

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https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1901736473012887567
Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
🚨 BREAKING: President Trump announces that 80,000 documents on the assassination of JFK will be released TOMORROW, as organized and coordinated by Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard. President Trump has asked that the files not be redacted.

[BMJ]

It's been sixty-one years and four months (give or take) since a bullet in Dallas, Texas, changed the world forever. At long last, tomorrow appears to be the day we finally learn what happened, who was behind it and why.

https://media.tenor.com/c7aER1NbOSwAAAAM/summer-break.gif

BREAKING:
80,000 files to drop tomorrow. According to Trump, they're "very interesting". Also, NO redactions.

1901736473012887567
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1901736473012887567
Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
🚨 BREAKING: President Trump announces that 80,000 documents on the assassination of JFK will be released TOMORROW, as organized and coordinated by Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard. President Trump has asked that the files not be redacted.

Below from 2.15 minutes onward Skynews reporter Trudy McIntosh states that as part of the order the RFK & Martin Luther King files will also be released.

‘I’m involved for humanity’: Trump and Putin set for high-stakes call on ceasefire deal

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Sky News Australia
Mar 18, 2025

P.S. I wonder if the presidential limo will be seating four or six people, the Mandela Effect.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I've been F5'ing the page all evening and they just dropped. The files are here, 1,123 files (many with multiple pages).

The link:

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025

[rgray222]

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/480797771_1181666186865254_674626721520375932_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_p180x540_tt6&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&_nc_ohc=TDdthtK13UkQ7kNvgHvH66g&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&_nc_gid=Kq4y9xerPbUT1-ToEGNXQA&oh=00_AYErKi6ooqu80hy4Fma_EI1TchFCWoqfn64bDjqy-3FlqA&oe=67DFFF83

[Bill Ryan]

I've been F5'ing the page all evening and they just dropped. The files are here, 1,123 files (many with multiple pages).80,000+ pages in all.

This is the first genuinely valuable research use for AI that I can think of. Maybe someone can ask Grok 3, ChatGPT 4 (or anything else!) —>
Solely from the data published on https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025, please list the names of all the shooters who hit JFK with bullets on November 22, 1963, also stating (a) which organizations or groups they worked for or were acting for, and (b) where they were positioned when they took the shots.

[onawah]

The big question now is are the documents unredacted?


I've been F5'ing the page all evening and they just dropped. The files are here, 1,123 files (many with multiple pages).80,000+ pages in all.

This is the first genuinely valuable research use for AI that I can think of. Maybe someone can ask Grok 3, ChatGPT 4 (or anything else!) —>
Solely from the data published on https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025, please list the names of all the shooters who hit JFK with bullets on November 22, 1963, also stating (a) which organizations or groups they worked for or were acting for, and (b) where they were positioned when they took the shots.

[onawah]

Dark Journalist JFK Assassination Files Bombshell Release
172K subscribers
X SERIES SPECIAL REPORT
FEATURING LIVE Q & A WITH DJ AND MISS OLIVIA
MARCH 18 2025, 9:00PM EST

(DJ has been reading the files (apparently unredacted! :nod:) and says he will continue reading and reporting on them ongoing.

oVeGdrqdA7E

[Tintin]

I've been F5'ing the page all evening and they just dropped. The files are here, 1,123 files (many with multiple pages).

The link:

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025


Excellent :thumbsup:

Boy, I wish these were all in one bundle - they really should be in the library I think.

[Rizotto]

Not directly pertaining to the official JFK files, this is the first time I hear of the murder of Mary Pinchot Meyer, friend of JFK.


"Did you know that JFK’s alleged lover, Mary Pinchot Meyer, kept a diary that mysteriously disappeared after her murder? And did you know that she reportedly believed Kennedy’s assassination was part of a much larger conspiracy?"

What Mary Pinchot Meyer Said About JFK Before She Died

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed985a6zf6s

[grapevine]

The big question now is are the documents unredacted?


I've been F5'ing the page all evening and they just dropped. The files are here, 1,123 files (many with multiple pages).80,000+ pages in all.

This is the first genuinely valuable research use for AI that I can think of. Maybe someone can ask Grok 3, ChatGPT 4 (or anything else!) —>
Solely from the data published on https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025, please list the names of all the shooters who hit JFK with bullets on November 22, 1963, also stating (a) which organizations or groups they worked for or were acting for, and (b) where they were positioned when they took the shots.

Chatgpt3 said no other shooters have been named and also, when asked, revealed there are still 4,000 unreleased and classified documents.

[norman]

Someone needs to assess, quickly, if there is anything in what has been released that's strategically important to the ongoing war.

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/simmental-dairy-cows-farm-dairy-farm-simmental-cattle-feeding-cows-farm-cows-eating-lucerne-hay-manger-farm-223894557.jpg?w=992

[ExomatrixTV]

JFK FILES RELEASED: What's inside? | LiveNOW from FOX:

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Thousands of pages of files related to the assassination of former president John F. Kennedy were released Tuesday afternoon.

Kennedy's assassination in Downtown Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963 has been a point of fascination for historians and conspiracy theorists over the years.

The release of the documents comes after President Trump signed an executive order calling for their release in the early days of his second term.

Some of the documents include information about Lee Harvey Oswald's travels to Finland and other places prior to the assassination. One of the documents features an assessment from a former KGB agent, who said they did not believe Oswald was ever controlled by the Russian agency after reviewing volumes of files. Other documents include follow-ups to requests for information to remain classified in the past.

The files have been prepared by a team underneath U.S. Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I've been F5'ing the page all evening and they just dropped. The files are here, 1,123 files (many with multiple pages).

The link:

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025


The number of files, 1,123 (last night), is now at 2,182. So maybe there's yet more to come.

[Bill Ryan]

Copying this post by Helvetic on his thread:

(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1660857&viewfull=1#post1660857)~~~

Source: ShadowofEzra on X (https://x.com/ShadowofEzra)

Description:

Newly released JFK files confirm a secret intelligence pipeline between the CIA and Israeli intelligence, personally overseen by CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton.

This wasn’t just routine intel sharing—it was a deliberate effort to conceal Israel’s involvement in sensitive U.S. operations, bypassing standard intelligence channels.

Angleton acted as the sole gatekeeper, ensuring that all Israeli-related intelligence was filtered through him alone.

He also controlled the flow of intel to the FBI, carefully scrubbing reports to ensure that Israeli intelligence was never directly named—a covert operation hidden in plain sight.

1902178930271936757


Source: Stew Peters on X (https://x.com/realstewpeters)

Description:

The CIA requested that any mention of ISRAEL be redacted in the JFK files.

Israel is literally the ONLY thing they’re requesting to be redacted.

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Source: Geiger_Capita on X (https://x.com/Geiger_Capital)

Description:

The CIA assassinated JFK, the sitting President of the United States.

“The day after the assassination, Gary Underhill left Washington. A small clique within the CIA was responsible, he confided. Less than six months later Underhill was found shot to death. Ruled a suicide.”

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[Bill Ryan]

And copying this post by Helvetic (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1660837&viewfull=1#post1660837) also. The Dark Journalist video has already been posted above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123814-Will-Trump-Release-the-JFK-File&p=1660823&viewfull=1#post1660823), but the summary of his takeaways is useful. :thumbsup:

~~~

Dark Journalist | JFK Assassination Files Bombshell Release | Mar. 18, 2025

Source: darkjournalist.com (http://darkjournalist.com)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVeGdrqdA7E

50 key takeaways of the video:

• Release Timing: The video covers the October 2023 release of JFK assassination files, part of ongoing disclosures mandated by the 1992 JFK Records Act.

• Core Thesis: Daniel Liszt (Dark Journalist) argues these files expose a conspiracy beyond the official "lone gunman" narrative.

• CIA Centrality: Suggests the CIA orchestrated events, with files hinting at their deep involvement with Lee Harvey Oswald.

• Oswald’s Mexico City Trip: Documents detail Oswald’s 1963 visit, allegedly meeting Soviet and Cuban operatives, fueling espionage theories.

• Actionable Insight: Cross-check these files with earlier releases (e.g., 2017 batch) to identify patterns or contradictions.

• Statistical Context: Over 14,000 documents released since 1992, yet critical files remain classified or redacted.

• UFO-JFK Link: Liszt posits JFK’s push for UFO disclosure threatened intelligence agencies, possibly motivating his assassination.

• Burns Memo Highlight: Cites a 1961 memo from JFK to CIA Director Allen Dulles requesting UFO data, suggesting a power struggle.

• Cover-Up Claim: Files allegedly show deliberate efforts to obscure agency roles in the assassination.

• Public Role: Release was spurred by public pressure after delays under Trump and Biden administrations.

• Actionable Step: Access the National Archives’ JFK collection online to review primary documents firsthand.

• Oswald as Operative: Files imply Oswald was a CIA or FBI asset, not an independent actor.

• Cuba Connection: Documents suggest a Cuban link, possibly inflated to justify post-JFK policies.

• Silvia Odio Incident: New testimony from Odio about meeting Oswald contradicts official timelines.

• Media Dismissal: Liszt critiques mainstream media for minimizing the release’s significance.

• Actionable Insight: Follow X posts from indie researchers for unfiltered takes on the files.

• Continuity of Government: References a secret plan tied to the assassination, buried in obscure documents.

• George Joannides Focus: CIA officer Joannides, linked to Oswald’s handlers, emerges as a key figure.

• Redaction Stat: Only 3% of files remain fully withheld, but redactions obscure vital details.

• Transparency Push: Liszt urges viewers to demand full disclosure, predicting more revelations.

• Oswald’s Surveillance: Files show he was monitored by intelligence before the assassination.

• Actionable Research: Compare Oswald’s Mexico City contacts with known CIA operations there.

• JFK’s CIA Distrust: Suggests JFK’s moves to curb CIA power (post-Bay of Pigs) made him a target.

• Document Authenticity: Liszt warns some files might be altered or planted to mislead.

• Actionable Caution: Verify file origins and cross-reference with declassified CIA records.

• Dallas Context: Files hint at local intelligence activity in Dallas on November 22, 1963.

• Ruby Connection: Jack Ruby’s ties to organized crime and police are noted in new documents.

• Actionable Insight: Investigate Ruby’s background via public records for deeper context.

• Witness Suppression: Suggests witnesses like Odio were ignored or silenced to protect the narrative.

• FBI Role: Files imply FBI complicity or negligence in tracking Oswald pre-assassination.

• Statistical Delay: Releases were postponed multiple times, with deadlines missed in 2017 and 2021.

• JFK’s Space Agenda: Ties assassination to JFK’s space race push, linked to UFO secrecy.

• Actionable Step: Explore NASA-CIA tensions in the 1960s via historical archives.

• Disinfo Warning: Liszt claims some released info is disinformation to confuse researchers.

• Oswald’s Finances: Documents question how Oswald funded his activities, hinting at external support.

• Actionable Insight: Trace Oswald’s income sources through financial records in the files.

• Anti-Castro Ops: Files link Oswald to CIA-backed anti-Castro groups in New Orleans.

• Fair Play for Cuba: Oswald’s pro-Cuba stance may have been a cover, per new evidence.

• Actionable Research: Investigate the Fair Play for Cuba Committee’s ties to intelligence.

• LBJ’s Role: Suggests Vice President Johnson benefited from JFK’s death, per file subtext.

• Statistical Scope: Over 300,000 pages released since 1992, yet gaps persist.

• JFK’s Peace Push: His anti-war stance (e.g., Nuclear Test Ban Treaty) may have alienated hawks.

• Actionable Insight: Study JFK’s speeches for clues to his conflicts with the establishment.

• Post-Assassination Moves: Files hint at rapid policy shifts (e.g., Vietnam) after JFK’s death.

• Intel Community Fear: Suggests agencies feared JFK’s openness would expose secrets.

• Actionable Step: Join online forums (e.g., JFKresearcher.com) to discuss findings.

• Document Gaps: Key files on CIA operations in 1963 remain missing or heavily redacted.

• Oswald’s Defection: His Soviet defection and return raise questions of agency handling.

• Actionable Insight: Compare Oswald’s Soviet stint with known CIA defector programs.

• Ongoing Mystery: Liszt concludes the files deepen, rather than resolve, the assassination enigma.

[arwen]

I've been F5'ing the page all evening and they just dropped. The files are here, 1,123 files (many with multiple pages).80,000+ pages in all.

This is the first genuinely valuable research use for AI that I can think of. Maybe someone can ask Grok 3, ChatGPT 4 (or anything else!) —>
Solely from the data published on https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025, please list the names of all the shooters who hit JFK with bullets on November 22, 1963, also stating (a) which organizations or groups they worked for or were acting for, and (b) where they were positioned when they took the shots.

Out of curiosity, I asked Grok3 for you, and the limitations of AI become apparent. It apparently cannot examine the files and analyze them beyond the surface data. Not helpful at all.

This is the answer I received:


The data published on https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025, as available on March 19, 2025, does not provide a definitive list of names of shooters who hit President John F. Kennedy with bullets on November 22, 1963, nor does it specify their organizational affiliations or exact positions during the assassination. The page primarily details the release of records in accordance with President Donald Trump’s directive of March 17, 2025, and Executive Order 14176, focusing on the declassification and accessibility of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection. It states that all previously withheld records are released as of March 18, 2025, and are available online or in person at the National Archives at College Park, Maryland, but it does not summarize or present specific findings about the identities, affiliations, or locations of shooters.

Historically, the official narrative from the Warren Commission, established to investigate the assassination, concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone as the shooter, firing from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas, Texas. However, the Archives page does not explicitly confirm or expand upon this conclusion with new names, affiliations, or positions based solely on the 2025 release data presented there. It mentions the availability of records from various investigations, including the Warren Commission, the House Select Committee on Assassinations, and the Assassination Records Review Board, but does not extract or list specific shooter-related details as requested.

Since the page itself does not directly provide a list of shooters, their affiliations, or their positions beyond facilitating access to the broader collection, and given my instruction to rely solely on the data published on that specific URL without inventing information, I cannot provide a list of names, organizations, or locations beyond what is explicitly stated. The released records may contain relevant details, but the summary on the page does not isolate or confirm such specifics. Therefore, based strictly on the content of https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025, no definitive list of shooters, their affiliations, or their positions can be provided beyond the historical attribution to Lee Harvey Oswald, with no additional shooters named or detailed therein. For a comprehensive answer, one would need to analyze the individual records now accessible through the site, which is beyond the scope of this response.

So human researchers are still needed to dig into the files and do the leg work.

So much for AI making humans redundant. At least for now. :p

[Bill Ryan]

So much for AI making humans redundant. At least for now. :p

:thumbsup::thumbsup: :ROFL:

:focus:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

There's a lot of 'bumf' and filler in these documents. I read a long, boring series of missives on the field expenses of E. Howard Hunt in relation to his activities in Spain in the late sixties. I didn't see any correlation to the JFK matter. Hunt was likely involved in the assassination somewhere, and is a likely suspect for one of the 'three tramps' arrested that day in the railroad yard behind the schoolbook depository. But it escapes me how his financial records, years after the fact, are pertinent to this archive.

Other than the interesting (yet unsurprising) revelation of Israeli fingerprints in these documents, I haven't seen (or from other sources heard) any contradictions to the official narrative, and no smoking gun beyond the one held by Oswald at that sixth-floor window as put forward by the Warren Whitewash Commission.

So far, 63,000 pages have been released. If the total figure of 80,000 is correct, 17,000 remain and should drop soon. I sure do hope they contain something useful.

[T Smith]

According to the Mary Ferrell Foundation, Deep State Bureaucrats are still refusing to release one-third of the most sensitive info:

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[norman]

Israel was a priority for covering up. ok.

Can someone who likes all this document studying keep an eye out for anything about priority obfuscations of others, primarily "Castro".

I'm recently realising that Castro wasn't just some Spanish American workers revolutionary guy. Che Guevara probably was, but not Castro. Castro was far too big a fish to get assassinated (and interestingly, he never was). I'll even place him higher on the protected entities list than Israel. As a member of the Farnese family, and obviously set up as a significant power player, he's a guy to investigate. As Oswald's background story seems to have a lot to do with "Castro", the investigation could be joined at the hip with the JFK murder investigation.

[Tintin]

This is a neat summary (https://x.com/goddeketal/status/1902343526492274732) too although what many seasoned Avalon members would already have deduced from years of research:


UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH: JFK wanted to strip the CIA of its autonomy, force AIPAC (formerly AZC) to register as a foreign agent, block Israel’s nuclear ambitions, and challenge the Federal Reserve’s grip on U.S. currency.

That’s why he was assassinated

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Extracted from the tweXt:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmZ7WZoXUAAff68?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmZ7WZqW8AEeyj5?format=jpg&name=large

[Bill Ryan]

I just changed the thread title to read Will Trump Release all the JFK Files? — with the addition of the word 'ALL'. :)

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1902393180277874703

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Clandestine
@WarClandestine

The JFK files show that the CIA were engaged in:

-Regime change
-Biological warfare
-Political/Psychological warfare
-Global media control
-Mass propaganda

Sound familiar?

There are so many parallels between what happened then and what is happening now.

The CIA never changed.



https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1902247674885341467

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Clandestine
@WarClandestine
·
11h
Some juicy pages from the JFK files Califano Papers outlining the CIA using “political and psychological warfare” to spread their influence during the Cold War.

These files outline the CIA plan to “penetrate” all radio and television in every country of interest, to combat the influence of the USSR and China.

This playbook should sound familiar to everyone who just lived through the last 8 years, and watched how the USAID/Soros media network controlled almost all media around the globe to push propaganda so they could conduct regime change, a la Ukraine.

So many parallels between what happened then, and what is happening now.



https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1902234357416255497

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Clandestine
@WarClandestine
·
12h
Damn these Operation Mongoose files are crazy.

The CIA admit they had plans for “agriculture sabotage” by initiating crop failure via “biological agents”.

The CIA had plans to use bioweapons for regime change.

If they are willing to do this, what else are they willing to do?

[mountain_jim]

This was covered above, here is WikiLeaks summary

https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1902344051766260192

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WikiLeaks
@wikileaks
·
5h
CIA suppressed top officer James Jesus Angleton's connection to Israeli intelligence as shown by this newly unredacted JFK assassination records file.

Angleton had subverted JFK's policy of preventing Israel from acquiring nuclear weapons and was praised by Mossad head Meir Amit as "the biggest Zionist of them all". Angleton was also found to have hidden documents from the Warren Commission on the assassination of President Kennedy.

Shortly before he died, Angleton stated "The better you lied and the more you betrayed, the more likely you would be promoted... outside of their duplicity, the only thing they had in common was a desire for absolute power."

The file was previously "released" in 2017, 2018 and 2022 in redacted form.



https://x.com/KAGdrogo/status/1883659692989419776

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ĐⱤØ₲Ø🇺🇸
@KAGdrogo
·
Jan 26
Second time he’s posted this.

Never forget that they know.

It’s only a matter of time.


full image

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GiQaApKbQAAylUY?format=jpg&name=medium

[ExomatrixTV]

I've been F5'ing the page all evening and they just dropped. The files are here, 1,123 files (many with multiple pages).80,000+ pages in all.

This is the first genuinely valuable research use for AI that I can think of. Maybe someone can ask Grok 3, ChatGPT 4 (or anything else!) —>
Solely from the data published on https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025, please list the names of all the shooters who hit JFK with bullets on November 22, 1963, also stating (a) which organizations or groups they worked for or were acting for, and (b) where they were positioned when they took the shots.

Out of curiosity, I asked Grok3 for you, and the limitations of AI become apparent. It apparently cannot examine the files and analyze them beyond the surface data. Not helpful at all.

This is the answer I received:




The data published on archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025 (https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025), as available on March 19, 2025, does not provide a definitive list of names of shooters who hit President John F. Kennedy with bullets on November 22, 1963, nor does it specify their organizational affiliations or exact positions during the assassination. The page primarily details the release of records in accordance with President Donald Trump’s directive of March 17, 2025, and Executive Order 14176, focusing on the declassification and accessibility of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection. It states that all previously withheld records are released as of March 18, 2025, and are available online or in person at the National Archives at College Park, Maryland, but it does not summarize or present specific findings about the identities, affiliations, or locations of shooters.

Historically, the official narrative from the Warren Commission, established to investigate the assassination, concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone as the shooter, firing from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas, Texas. However, the Archives page does not explicitly confirm or expand upon this conclusion with new names, affiliations, or positions based solely on the 2025 release data presented there. It mentions the availability of records from various investigations, including the Warren Commission, the House Select Committee on Assassinations, and the Assassination Records Review Board, but does not extract or list specific shooter-related details as requested.

Since the page itself does not directly provide a list of shooters, their affiliations, or their positions beyond facilitating access to the broader collection, and given my instruction to rely solely on the data published on that specific URL without inventing information, I cannot provide a list of names, organizations, or locations beyond what is explicitly stated. The released records may contain relevant details, but the summary on the page does not isolate or confirm such specifics. Therefore, based strictly on the content of archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025 (https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025), no definitive list of shooters, their affiliations, or their positions can be provided beyond the historical attribution to Lee Harvey Oswald, with no additional shooters named or detailed therein. For a comprehensive answer, one would need to analyze the individual records now accessible through the site, which is beyond the scope of this response.


So human researchers are still needed to dig into the files and do the leg work.

So much for AI making humans redundant. At least for now. :p

Grok 3.0 A.I. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-) can scan uploaded pictures of PDF FILES so if you have 4 pages or 6 pages fit in 1 screen and make a screen-snapshot .PNG >>> it can reproduce all text in it with a very high "Optical Character Recognition (OCR) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition)" accuracy score >> do that multiple times it can scan for anything you want it to do! :bowing:

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳


reddit.com/r/grok (https://www.reddit.com/r/grok/)


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Grok 3.0:

You’re right that the JFK files released on March 18, 2025, offer a massive trove of data—over 80,000 pages—that could potentially reshape our understanding of November 22, 1963. The question from the Project Avalon thread is a good one: can AI, specifically me, Grok 3, dig into those files and pinpoint the shooters who hit JFK, their affiliations, and their positions, based solely on the data at archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025 (https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025)?


Let’s tackle this head-on

The catch is, that URL isn’t a neatly summarized report—it’s a gateway to a sprawling digital archive. As of today, March 19, 2025, the page confirms the release of 1,123 files under Trump’s directive and Executive Order 14176, making all previously withheld records public. But it doesn’t list shooters, affiliations, or positions outright. It’s more of a “here’s the pile, go dig” situation. I’m built to analyze content, including uploaded files like PDFs or images, so if you’ve got snapshots of those records, I can OCR them and exact details with high accuracy. Without those specifics uploaded here, though, I’m limited to what’s directly stated on that page or what I can reasonably infer from my broader knowledge, while sticking to the constraint of not inventing facts.

Historically, the Warren Commission pinned it all on Lee Harvey Oswald, a lone gunman firing from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. The 2025 release page doesn’t contradict that on its surface—it’s silent on specifics, focusing instead on the logistics of the release. But here’s where it gets interesting: my tools let me peek beyond that surface if given the raw data. Posts on X and early reactions suggest the files reinforce Oswald as the shooter but hint at CIA and FBI slip-ups, mafia ties, and ballistic anomalies that fuel second-shooter theories. Nothing definitive yet—no smoking gun naming another shooter or a grand conspiracy—but the sheer volume means the devil’s in the details.

So, let’s try this: based solely on what’s published at that URL right now, no shooters are explicitly named beyond the historical Oswald narrative it doesn’t challenge. If I had those 80,000+ pages as PDFs or screenshots, I could scan for terms like “shooter,” “gunman,” “Oswald,” “grassy knoll,” or “CIA,” and cross-reference positions and affiliations. Without that, I’m stuck saying:

Lee Harvey Oswald: Named by the Warren Commission (referenced in the collection’s context), acting alone, positioned at the sixth-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. No organization beyond his own motives.
No additional shooters: The page doesn’t list others, and I can’t fabricate names or positions without the files.

John, your point about OCR is spot-on—I can chew through pages if you feed them to me. Upload some PNGs of those files, and I’ll rip out every relevant detail with precision. Until then, the limitation isn’t AI’s capability; it’s access to the raw data. Human researchers still have the edge because they can physically grab those files from the National Archives or download them en masse. Me? I’m waiting for you to toss me a bone—or a screenshot.

Cheers to the hunt!
Grok

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/THEDuaneCates/status/1902355652611019051

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Sam Parker 🇺🇲
@SamParkerSenate

Yitzhak Rabin's was in Dallas the day JFK was shot. But it was all just a wild coincidence, dontcha know?

"Our 1963 trip to the United States lasted 3 weeks. I was astonished at the size and the excitement of New York. This was a fast-moving lifestyle unlike anything I had known in Europe or Israel. Dalia and Yuval along with a number of officers, met us at Lod Airport in Tel Aviv upon our return. We were told that President Kennedy had been shot, his condition was as yet unclear. We had never met the Kennedy’s but we could sense how the promise of John Kennedy’s future had stirred American’s and how devastating it would be if something serious had happened to him. Just as we walked in the door of our home, I picked up the phone to hear shocking news: John F. Kennedy was dead. To have just returned from the United States and for Yitzhak to have been in Dallas just hours before—albeit as mere coincidence; Fort Bliss was a stop on his military briefing tour—was disorienting. Yitzhak was about to become chief of staff and had just completed an intensive study of state-of-the-art defense and security practices from the most powerful nation in the world and suddenly we learned that country’s chief-executive was slain by a lone-gunman."

Rabin was promoted to Chief of Staff soon after the assassination. And it was under Rabin in 1967 that the IDF attacked and attempted to sink the USS Liberty. The rescue of which, and later investigations into, were basically scuttled by Lyndon Johnson. The same Johnson who was the main beneficiary of the assassination of JFK. So many dots connecting.


(Avalon is getting slow for me - being interfered with again?)

[ExomatrixTV]

(Avalon is getting slow for me - being interfered with again?)


Not on my end, all works superfast & well.

[Ravenlocke]

Text:
CIA suppressed top officer James Jesus Angleton's connection to Israeli intelligence as shown by this newly unredacted JFK assassination records file.

Angleton had subverted JFK's policy of preventing Israel from acquiring nuclear weapons and was praised by Mossad head Meir Amit as "the biggest Zionist of them all". Angleton was also found to have hidden documents from the Warren Commission on the assassination of President Kennedy.

Shortly before he died, Angleton stated "The better you lied and the more you betrayed, the more likely you would be promoted... outside of their duplicity, the only thing they had in common was a desire for absolute power."

The file was previously "released" in 2017, 2018 and 2022 in redacted form.

https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1902344051766260192

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[ExomatrixTV]

Most "blacked out" / censored word might well be: "Israel" or "Israeli" or "MOSSAD" or "Zionist" when studying all newly declassified JFK Files!

[ExomatrixTV]

What JFK Documents Reveal About CIA:

v6ooxho/?pub=ir01b

[BMJ]

One for the history books. I might print out a copy of the executive order frame and mount it on the wall. Thank you President Trump.

As posted on Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump on Truth Social 19th of March 2025

Link: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114186501441497785

Link to the Archive: https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk

[BMJ]

So it begins, The Mega Can Of Worms - The Fallout - The Shattering of the CIA Into A Thousand Pieces

The CIA is trying to get sympathy points?

We do not care.

We do not care.

We do not care.

Now that they are in the spotlight for basically setting up a sitting president to be unalived just to secure Israel so they can get nuclear weapons they no longer can create Hollywood blockbusters where they can romanticize their agency to be this covert spy thriller where they are unraveling conspiracies.

This is not Zero Dark 30.

This is not Argo.

This is not 'The Bourne Identity'.

You all know the agency that needs to be dismantled. We are no longer playing your game. Now we understand how dangerous you are not to just America but the world. We now have just cause to remove you.

https://x.com/Prolotario1/status/1902395383545749796

NOW - Police and SWAT respond to armed gunman at CIA headquarters hours after JFK files release.

1902387289071755595



The Influencer Litmus Test - Whos Shouting From The Roof Tops JFK was killed by Israel ???

Have you all noticed some accounts stopped talking about the JFK files?

Go look at the ones who received those J. Epstein binders.

Do you see them being shouting from the roof tops that Israel killed a US sitting president?

Now do you see why D. Trump decided to just release without any of those influencers involved?

Donald Trump released the JFK Files knowing who was behind it.

And people keep trying to portray him as this Zionist.

None of them can show you any example where D. Trump is selling us out to another country.

Do you all remember when D. Trump accused Jared Kushner of being too pro Israel?

The Jews in Israel are actually Khazarians.

Khazarians have Zionism as their political party.

Communism is the Khazarian rule of law as Zionist.

Satanism is the religion of the Zionist posing as Jews.

Israel 🇮🇱 took over our government through murder, bribery, and blackmail. Donald Trump knew he walked into the serpents den.

But you have people thinking he was supposed to undo the tentacles of Israel in four years. How when you are now just getting these files?

https://x.com/Prolotario1/status/1902314135095833070

[Rizotto]

Very interesting: the Israel connection to the JFK assassination. Kim Iversen makes a convincing analysis about the Mossad involvement in the JFK assassination, with CIA director James Angleton, a strong supporter of Israel.
I never knew these details about Kennedy's conflicts with Israel's then prime minister Ben Gurion shortly before Kennedy's assassination. And that the Israeli theft of nuclear material from USA, plus nuclear testing at Israel's Dimona, dated that far back, i.e. during Kennedy's presidency!

CIA Fingerprints All Over JFK’s Assassination: Dirty Secrets & Shocking Israeli Connections??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l56IHbEGqw8

[John Hilton]

Have we a separate JFK Assassination thread? Anyway, I came across this:
https://nitter.poast.org/VigilantFox/status/1902524475020595421

It says:-

Newsmax’s Rob Finnerty has introduced a bombshell revelation hidden within the newly released JFK files - one that raises serious questions about a likely CIA cover-up. The document, which Finnerty highlighted on air, lays out the chilling story of CIA agent Gary Underhill, a man who appeared to know too much about what really happened on November 22, 1963. According to the file, one day after JFK’s assassination, Underhill “left Washington in a hurry… Late in the evening, he showed up at the home of friends in New Jersey. He was very agitated.” It goes on to say, “A SMALL CLIQUE WITHIN THE CIA WAS RESPONSIBLE for the [JFK] assassination, he [Gary Underhill] confided, and he was afraid for his life and would probably have to leave the country.” Less than six months later, Underhill was found shot to death in his Washington apartment. The coroner quickly ruled it a suicide. However, the timing and circumstances of this so-called “suicide” tell a different story. A man who openly warned of a CIA plot and feared for his life suddenly turns up dead under suspicious circumstances? In plain English, it seems that Underhill was silenced. He pointed the finger at the CIA, predicted his own fate, and ended up dead - just as he feared. This revelation shatters the entire narrative surrounding one of the greatest political cover-ups in American history. If the CIA played a role in the assassination of a sitting U.S. president, what else have they concealed? And more importantly, what kind of government have we really been living under for the past 60 years?

[Bill Ryan]

Very interesting: the Israel connection to the JFK assassination. Kim Iversen makes a convincing analysis about the Mossad involvement in the JFK assassination, with CIA director James Angleton, a strong supporter of Israel.

I never knew these details about Kennedy's conflicts with Israel's then prime minister Ben Gurion shortly before Kennedy's assassination. And that the Israeli theft of nuclear material from USA, plus nuclear testing at Israel's Dimona, dated that far back, i.e. during Kennedy's presidency!

CIA Fingerprints All Over JFK’s Assassination: Dirty Secrets & Shocking Israeli Connections??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l56IHbEGqw8
Yes, the Israel connection is VERY VERY interesting. I never knew about that either. The section that describes all this — unproven, but very compelling — starts at 16:29.

[John Hilton]

Donald Trump knew he walked into the serpents den.

If you know anything about the annunaki - Enki (serpent or dragon) and his half-brother Enlil (eagle) - you'll know that it's actually the eagle's den.

Just sayin'.

The JFK Assassination: 63,400 files were finally released. But DNI Gabbard has stated that the more heavily sealed documents have yet to be released. More will be forthcoming.

[Tintin]

I'm as certain as can be that this is a very clever forgery :ROFL: :ROFL:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmbC2-Xa8AIooWr?format=jpg&name=900x900

There are some very funny comments here while Penelope Keith trends on X (https://x.com/search?q=%22Penelope%20Keith%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends) :)

[Sirus]

What are people expecting from these files?
I doubt that any conspirators would put their actions down on paper, to be discovered some time in the future. Unless, they perhaps thought that what they did was the right thing and that they would be vindicated further down the line?

[ExomatrixTV]

8 New Discoveries in JFK File Dump:

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The US government released thousands of unredacted documents related to the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy on Tuesday night. The huge document dump includes memorandums and reports related not only to the president’s assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, but also to other major historical events happening globally. Law&Crime’s Jesse Weber breaks down the newest information.

[Rizotto]

What are people expecting from these files?
I doubt that any conspirators would put their actions down on paper, to be discovered some time in the future. Unless, they perhaps thought that what they did was the right thing and that they would be vindicated further down the line?

Good question. Fact is, Israel's involvement in the JFK assassination has long been suspected. It's coming out now, which is that text that was previously redacted is now un-redacted, and this un-redacted text is about Israel, or Israel's intelligence agencies.

Remember, the previous excuse for the redaction is that revealing this information would 'jeopardize national security', or 'international alliances', or something like that. So then, Israel is a threat to USA's national security.

Now that Israel's connection to this assassination is becoming clearer, thanks to the newly revealed information, it will become increasingly imperative to define & curtail the depth to which Israel has impacted USA's domestic & foreign policy. This will be discussed at length by the media, which is the first step towards political and legal intervention.

As Julian Assange said, back in 2017: "Forget Russia – The Real Threat to America comes from Israel and the Israel Lobby".

[Rizotto]

More on connecting the dots between Israel and the JFK assassination:


"Israel, stolen uranium and the link to the m*rder of Jack Kennedy. Ex-CIA agent Larry Johnson sums up the just-released and allegedly unredacted JFK files"

INTERVIEW: JFK and the Tel Aviv connection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp9mtPTWJS8

[Tintin]

10GB! Strewth. Still....

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[Sirus]

What are people expecting from these files?
I doubt that any conspirators would put their actions down on paper, to be discovered some time in the future. Unless, they perhaps thought that what they did was the right thing and that they would be vindicated further down the line?

Good question. Fact is, Israel's involvement in the JFK assassination has long been suspected. It's coming out now, which is that text that was previously redacted is now un-redacted, and this un-redacted text is about Israel, or Israel's intelligence agencies.

Remember, the previous excuse for the redaction is that revealing this information would 'jeopardize national security', or 'international alliances', or something like that. So then, Israel is a threat to USA's national security.

Now that Israel's connection to this assassination is becoming clearer, thanks to the newly revealed information, it will become increasingly imperative to define & curtail the depth to which Israel has impacted USA's domestic & foreign policy. This will be discussed at length by the media, which is the first step towards political and legal intervention.

As Julian Assange said, back in 2017: "Forget Russia – The Real Threat to America comes from Israel and the Israel Lobby".

I've seen comments over the web about Israel being involved but never a direct quote (yet) linking Israel to the assassination.

Do you have such a quote from the source?

[John Hilton]

JFK Document Dump – What’s New, What’s Not – JFK & National Security Expert Larry Hancock
https://rumble.com/v6r083w-jfk-document-dump-whats-new-whats-not-jfk-and-national-security-expert-larr.html

Starts at 6m 12s.
v6osn34

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1903497466768740611

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Clandestine
@WarClandestine

The JFK files are less about JFK’s assassination, and more so an accumulation of evidence that the CIA are NOT carrying out their primary mission of “intelligence-gathering”, and instead are focused on regime change around the globe.

JFK found out, and they didn’t like that.

JFK uncovered that the CIA were NOT serving the American People, and were only serving their own personal interests, which was mostly global domination via espionage and covert operations.

JFK found out the CIA were essentially trying to take over the world, and he tried to stop them.

[Rizotto]

Sabby Sabs listing the many instances of references to Israel in the CIA files on JFK's assassination.
Also: CIA false flags.

JFK Files EXPOSE Israel...AGAIN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUMNDQ_8w9Q

[Bill Ryan]

A more-than-fascinating 27-minute Redacted interview with JFK researcher Larry Hancock, author of The Oswald Puzzle (https://www.amazon.com/Oswald-Puzzle-Reconsidering-Lee-Harvey/dp/1510783407), who's been working at all this for 30 years.

Hancock covers a great deal of ground. (I was interested to hear him (briefly) mention Mafia hitman Johnny Roselli, who as best I understand from the research I've done myself was one of the shooters situated in front of JFK's limo down low in the storm drain.)

The video title is rather a clickbait exaggeration (it's not totally solved' at all!!), but the interview really is most interesting, and goes into a great deal of detail.

SOLVED! The new JFK Files finally solves this piece once and for all


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4JAkbIO6iI

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/catturd2/status/1905226193592328382

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Glenn Beck
@glennbeck
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@RogerJStoneJr: "After a couple of cocktails...I asked [Nixon] directly, 'who killed Kennedy?'... He said, 'let me put it this way: Lyndon and I both wanted to be president. But I wasn't willing to kill for it.'"

[onawah]

Dark Journalist has spent an enormous amount of time researching the subject, and he recently stated he's concluded that Johnson wasn't actually behind the JFK assassination.

https://x.com/catturd2/status/1905226193592328382

1905226193592328382


Glenn Beck
@glennbeck
·
@RogerJStoneJr: "After a couple of cocktails...I asked [Nixon] directly, 'who killed Kennedy?'... He said, 'let me put it this way: Lyndon and I both wanted to be president. But I wasn't willing to kill for it.'"

[DustOff72]

Candace Owens did a great job on this topic, and she is very informed about the criminal nature of Zionists. Certainly they played a role in his assassination, and his brother RFK. LBJ, not Trump, was the first Jewish/Israeli POTUS.

[mountain_jim]

Dark Journalist has spent an enormous amount of time researching the subject, and he recently stated he's concluded that Johnson wasn't actually behind the JFK assassination.


Thanks for that datapoint but I have seen and read plenty that appears to indicate LBJ was 'read in' and knew about when and where it was going down.

He had associates likely involved in other helpful-to-his-career murders as well, as I recall.

He was evil enough but not smart enough to be 'behind' it (JFK), in my view.

[onawah]

Agreed, but from what DJ's extensive research has shown, LBJ wasn't the instigator, it was the CIA.
Though I don't doubt he was in favor of it.



Dark Journalist has spent an enormous amount of time researching the subject, and he recently stated he's concluded that Johnson wasn't actually behind the JFK assassination.


Thanks for that datapoint but I have seen and read plenty that appears to indicate LBJ was 'read in' and knew about when and where it was going down.

He had associates likely involved in other helpful-to-his-career murders as well, as I recall.

He was evil enough but not smart enough to be 'behind' it (JFK), in my view.

[Tintin]

This could get very interesting...........

Text:



UAP James
@UAPJames
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13h
🚨JFK Assassination Footage Held By NBC Proves Oswald Was Not the Shooter —Rep. Luna

”It was made aware to me this evening that NBC actually has a video that’s never been seen before. We’re going to be sending a letter requesting that from NBC. It allegedly shows Oswald near the vehicle when the assassination took place. Which means he couldn’t have been the shooter.”

“I believe that tape belongs to the American People… I would encourage everyone to ask NBC to release that tape to the public.”

The Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets: The JFK Files hearing is this Tuesday, April 1st.

Oliver Stone and Jefferson Morley will testify.

Source: https://x.com/UAPJames/status/1905789848465604732

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1905789617195954176/vid/avc1/888x494/yDH8QYbSjs1Dd6hq.mp4?tag=16

[mountain_jim]

^ Just came to post that, Tintin, but you have it covered.

(and I don't recall ever hearing about this video in all my years of researching this conspiracy - but then my memory these days is not as reliable, laugh.)

Wonder if she is aware that a photo appears to show (http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=5420)George Bush Sr (CIA) on the steps of the Texas School Book Depository building as the motorcade approached?

(image at this link not inserting here)



Where was George Herbert Walker Bush on November 22, 1963 ?
Posted in the database on Thursday, March 16th, 2006 @ 18:31:17 MST (16358 views)
by Wayne Madsen The Wayne Madsen Report


The tall, lanky man who spawned George W. Bush may have been standing in front of the Texas School Book Depository on Nov. 22, 1963. George H. W. Bush is one of very few Americans who does not precisely remember where he was and what he was doing on the fateful Friday in November 1963. Of course, he would have had a foggy memory if he was an accessory to the crime. The Bush family are modern Borgias -- cruel "human locusts" who devour and ruin everything in their path.




from
https://themillenniumreport.com/2018/12/is-this-a-photo-of-george-h-w-bush-standing-in-front-of-the-texas-school-book-depository-in-dallas-on-november-22-1963/


http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/TSBD-Entrance-11-22-63-Man-On-Left-Is-Not-George-HW-Bush-1.jpg


http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/George_Herbert_Walker_Bush_and_Eisenhower_1.jpg

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It allegedly shows Oswald near the vehicle when the assassination took place. Which means he couldn’t have been the shooter.”


Interesting. There is this photo, taken after the first shot depicting, allegedly, Oswald standing in the doorway of the schoolbook depository. Some claim this is Billy Lovelady, another depository employee, but that's never been proven.

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Lovelady (in the middle)
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[Tintin]

It allegedly shows Oswald near the vehicle when the assassination took place. Which means he couldn’t have been the shooter.”


Interesting. There is this photo, taken after the first shot depicting, allegedly, Oswald standing in the doorway of the schoolbook depository. Some claim this is Billy Lovelady, another depository employee, but that's never been proven.

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Lovelady (in the middle)
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Ah, yes, I remember seeing that many years back :highfive: I'd say definitely Lee Harvey Oswald, right there

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/RogerJStoneJr/status/1905920252187202015

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NBC camera men Wegman and Darnell had film of Lee Harvey Oswald outside the Texas Schoolbook Depository Building when JFK was shot. Concealed for years

— Roger Stone (@RogerJStoneJr) March 29, 2025

[mountain_jim]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nbc-has-film-proving-oswald-couldnt-have-been-shooter-gop-rep-claims

NBC Has Film Proving Oswald 'Couldn't Have Been The Shooter,' GOP Rep Claims

(excerpt)

Luna also said Oliver Stone, who directed the 1991 thriller JFK (https://youtu.be/w16bYZ-4nmE?si=VLIANjl2kRE5PFOX), says he's seen a "secondary copy" of the film, and that NBC has been sitting on it:

"Director Stone actually told us that he was shown this tape, that it was a secondary copy, and that he said that this could blow open the entire JFK investigation. What I will also tell you though, Jesse, is he said the NBC’s been very, very much so guarding this tape. And so I believe that that tape belongs to the American people. We are going to be sending a letter asking for that tape. And I would encourage everyone to ask NBC to release that tape to the public."

[Bill Ryan]

Very interesting: the Israel connection to the JFK assassination. Kim Iversen makes a convincing analysis about the Mossad involvement in the JFK assassination, with CIA director James Angleton, a strong supporter of Israel.

I never knew these details about Kennedy's conflicts with Israel's then prime minister Ben Gurion shortly before Kennedy's assassination. And that the Israeli theft of nuclear material from USA, plus nuclear testing at Israel's Dimona, dated that far back, i.e. during Kennedy's presidency!

CIA Fingerprints All Over JFK’s Assassination: Dirty Secrets & Shocking Israeli Connections??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l56IHbEGqw8
Yes, the Israel connection is VERY VERY interesting. I never knew about that either. The section that describes all this — unproven, but very compelling — starts at 16:29.~~~

More from Kim Iverson about this, published yesterday. The thesis is persuasive. :flower:

Israel wanted NUKES, JFK said NO! — Then he got shot. Coincidence?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN8VmRiRzB8

[ExomatrixTV]

LBJ Tapes: Should These Recordings Change How We View the JFK Assassination?:

-Sk9yJzr-bY
The tape alleging that LBJ ordered JFK's assassination appears to be REAL. Glenn Beck invited the tape's owner, Shane Stevens, to confirm that the digital recording he gave to Alex Jones back in January, 2025, matches the original tape. So, for the first time, he played the chilling confession from the original source live in the studio.

[norman]

Ole has spent some time going through the files.


Ole Dammegard after decades of research and now the release of the JFK files, truth or deception?
michaelj5326 - 2025-05-21


https://rumble.com/v6tneqn-ole-dammegard-after-decades-of-research-and-now-the-release-of-the-jfk-file.html?e9s=src_v1_upp

v6rgiht/?pub=1yatds

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Interesting development. I look forward to seeing what these contain, though I won't be holding my breath.

1978192468475519064
https://x.com/MJTruthUltra/status/1978192468475519064
MJTruthUltra
@MJTruthUltra
Rep. @realannapaulina
Dropped a Bombshell:

After JFK was assassinated, the Russian Government tried to give the US Government their Findings at his Funeral… those Files were believed to be destroyed by the CIA.

NOW, the Russian Government is about to hand those files over once again.

1978195654238212190
https://x.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1978195654238212190
Shadow of Ezra
@ShadowofEzra
The Russian government is preparing to declassify and personally deliver hundreds of pages of evidence revealing who truly assassinated John F. Kennedy.

The files will be made available to the American public immediately.

These same documents were previously kept hidden and denied to members of Congress.

[ExomatrixTV]

Dallas Police Show Closer Look At Newly Discovered JFK Assassination Files:

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Dallas police provided KVUE's media partners WFAA a look at the recently discovered documents connected to the assassination of former president John F. Kennedy.