Is it all just EGO, "Team" and Tribe?

[thepainterdoug]

One of the most perplexing things I have been confronted with in my adult life is this present insane division among people of truly common interests.

Is it Ego? The need to be right? To have your team, tribe, its reputation protected?

Its beyond me! Nothing at all seems to end this vicious devision.

I recently met a neighbor, female, nice looking gal who we both had some initial attraction to until the vote came up.
She knew I voted for DJT and said to me , " ya know, you can tell a lot about a person by who they voted for"
Ok so now what?What did that mean? I guess that meant to me, were not on the same team, her Harris, , myself Trump Which was correct. Were not.
But that says nothing about our daily lives, who we are, how we live and what we need and value.

She had never seen my Art web page and so I sent it to her.
I thought this without verbal explanation would be a best (in short fashion), way to give her an idea of who I am and for things I stand for.

Not so. she has no interest in my Art activism, such as, truth and inquiry / my whistleblowers,/ or my care and interest for the burn community, their plight as well as all our plights by way of the discriminatory ways we treat people based on their exterior.
And my surreal portraits displaying the oneness of all things

Gee, these things sound like "liberal" things to me. No?

So I am soiled by my connection to Trump, the big bad "anti war, anti big government", pro rule of law by way of the constitution, and making America a great place again person.
Yuk!

What is this? Cannot even discuss. its all taboo, its all to hard and frustrating.

Is it EGO? TRIBE? TEAM?

Or is its something more sinister such as an op, mind control, vaccine madness, and programming?

I don't know. But I do know that many a good and sane soul will miss the opportunity to friend others of similar lives because of this scourge

thoughts?
pd

[Mark]

I think it is all of the above. Tribe, mind control, to generalize.

One on one, people are people. But when we get in groups together, something else happens, especially to those who are not free thinkers.

I think it has always been this way. In times when the human population was not so large and folks lived in isolated and coterminous communities, groupthink was a basic survival mechanism. That is programmed into us genetically, going back to our creation.

Overcoming that is seeking knowledge of Self and the realization that we are truly one family.

A difficult thing to overcome and many people don't think it should be overcome. Becoming a planetary society and, from that, an interplanetary and galactic society is a difficult leap and must occur from the level of the individual to group, from group to tribe.

When we see our enemies as those who live next door to us, it is just more of an indication that we have a long way to go.

What can change that? To me, only an energetic shift at the solar systemic and galactic level, which we just so happen to be experiencing right this moment.

We'll see where it leads. But wherever it is, will be better for the human race's future as a whole. Those of us who reside on this planet, at least.

[Open Minded Dude]

Over-identification with a 'side' (political, or whatever) is not just "tribe". I would call it a CULT.

[Delight]

Or is its something more sinister such as an op, mind control, vaccine madness, and programming?

because I have never met anyone who was passionate about hating Trump who did not watch TV, IMO there is a real connection there between TV and a particular peculiar POV. I say it IS peculiar because as you sort of pointed out, the concrete activities such as your art projects supporting the address of real issues means nothing.

My peculiar experience before election was when my SIL (married to brother) became enraged when I told her I was not sure I would even be voting as IMO there is an element of the Bird with two wings red and blue and the bird flying us into the abyss. She could only fume and rage that IF I did not vote Dem, I was responsible for fascism, etc. etc. and Maybe should be KILLED if Trump won! SERIOUSLY!!! She was quite intoxicated at the time and I do not think she remembered her statement. I have not spoken to her since.

This amount of spite and spitting hatred is NOT REASONABLE and says to me it is a program. She watches TV and all who have this extreme feeling watch TV in my experience.

[shaberon]

It's kind of true, the sad part is that "teams" or "tribes" might be represented by American politics.

The "alternative" is other political and economic systems, not whose greedy hands this one lands in.

If I were to "group" with like-minded individuals, it wouldn't be anyone striving to project will through foreign interference, or, almost anything else coming out in these discussions, so, as someone who is "not on a side" because I find nothing appropriate, I am sure the whole thing can be ignored.

[T Smith]

Or is its something more sinister such as an op, mind control, vaccine madness, and programming?



Yes, yes, yes, and yes... among other things, with an emphasis on the last, YES (programming)...

This (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120811-The-2024-US-POTUS-Election-and-now-the-aftermath&p=1641834&viewfull=1#post1641834) was posted in the 2024 Election thread--if you haven't stumbled on it, it does provide some insight into all your questions.

[Mike]

I think it is all of the above. Tribe, mind control, to generalize.

One on one, people are people. But when we get in groups together, something else happens, especially to those who are not free thinkers.

I think it has always been this way. In times when the human population was not so large and folks lived in isolated and coterminous communities, groupthink was a basic survival mechanism. That is programmed into us genetically, going back to our creation.

Overcoming that is seeking knowledge of Self and the realization that we are truly one family.

A difficult thing to overcome and many people don't think it should be overcome. Becoming a planetary society and, from that, an interplanetary and galactic society is a difficult leap and must occur from the level of the individual to group, from group to tribe.

When we see our enemies as those who live next door to us, it is just more of an indication that we have a long way to go.

What can change that? To me, only an energetic shift at the solar systemic and galactic level, which we just so happen to be experiencing right this moment.

We'll see where it leads. But wherever it is, will be better for the human race's future as a whole. Those of us who reside on this planet, at least.



This reminds me of something I was listening to a few days ago, where Gad Saad was talking about the role of evolutionary biology in all this stuff.

He explains that much of the madness we're seeing now is attributable to biological impulses run amok, or "misfiring" as he says.

Groupthink and tribalism impulses are built into the system because of how they were once necessary for survival, as Mark points out; what we're seeing now with identity politics and pro Trump vs anti Trump etc is groupthink and tribalism run amok, like a corrupted program. And that might be a good way to describe all this strange behavior: biological programs that were once useful becoming corrupted and distorted.

Another example he gives is the empathy impulse. Empathy, he says, has now been distorted into what he calls "suicidal empathy". Examples include prioritizing illegal immigrants over our own poor, starving, and dispossessed. And prioritizing trans men over women when it comes to women's spaces etc

There are loads of examples like this. But basically these histrionics are often the misfiring of biological impulses that were once useful in our past or still are useful currently but in much lower doses.

He talks in length about this on his podcast but here's just a little sampler on Rogan, starting around the 6:35 mark:
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[thepainterdoug]

Mike Thanks , this Rogan clip has a good summary, one i have often used on my own with questions like, why do you lock your doors? lock your car? have cameras around your house and property . Why dont you have an illegal living in your spare room? on your spacious property? You have borders. From small to large we all do.
This so called parasitic empathy I also explained as blind hypocrisy .Hypocrisy and virtue signaling.
Its so damn obvious its vexing. But what the true reason for it is out for debate.
i think it is a form of guilt for having things good, yet not making good of the good things you have

[Dennis Leahy]

It's all "framing", specifically character assassination framing. Doug, I'll bet you that woman couldn't talk intelligently about any of the issues, she's been steeping in negative emotion black magic stew, and can not form logic-based thoughts. I still haven't met a Democrat that could list anything negative, any policy or action, of Trump's 2016-2019 term, or his current policy proposals. She has no idea what fascism is, or she would know that the USA is fascist right now (Mussolini's definition of fascism.) And "tyrant"! WTF does she think the Biden clown party was in coercing/mandating poison injections and destroying free speech on major social media! Democrats don't even get that their DNC election process is anything but democratic, and that they have become the more bloodthirsty warmongers.

It's all a spell - a spell cast by the poison pen sloganeers and jingoists of the DNC cabal, multiplied by a million by the Democrat billionaire affiliated mainscream media. Logic bounces off. You're lucky she didn't spit on you.

[dim]

Stereotype (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype): expecting a member of a group to have certain characteristics without having actual information about that individual.
Implicit stereotype (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious bias or implicit bias): the underlying attitudes and stereotypes that people unconsciously attribute to another person or group of people that affect how they understand and engage with them.

List of cognitive biases (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases)

[Delight]

The OP " Is it all just EGO, "Team" and Tribe?

We are living in a moment that is IMO very extraordinary because one can see very clearly how PREDATION of our minds is driving humanity. We have absolutely been farmed, been made into just FOOD by a force. In a very strange way, it is POSSIBLE that we are in a whirl pool of force that we actually created. What IF, life force is already being harvested PERSON to PERSON and has been since we fell into EGO. We saw in the pandemic, how EGO drove the drama. A level of EGO (as an egregore of desire to separate and be GOD) has manufactured the whole inversion? The inversion denies any SOURCE beyond the mind. As a "tribe" we absolutely believe certain fundamentals such AS we must EARN the right to exist by conforming to the SYSTEM, No Matter What it presents to be followed.

We IMO have only one fundamental remedy. That is by disconnecting from the TEAM which gives the rules to us THROUGH the mind. IF we at some point with our power of imagination created the whole Astral realm, THAT might be the trick. STOP believing the mind. Play with your own imagination coming from within. The connection we have to our heart where we connect with that which is NOT of the mind is our salvation IMO. IF we belong in BELIEF to any faction of the mental stratification of the world, we are caught and cannot deviate from its proscriptions. That is how mind works... it creates what we believe and there we are.

IMO this is always how it has been but it is intensifying to a climax?

At the same time, some people enter a new world they CHOOSE deliberately, others will be completely caught up in mental systems they have adopted.

How to deal with normies is going to be intense. The best way to interact is IMO not to expect they will be any different or change due to my words. They will feel our love and compassion when it is genuine. It WILL be genuine because YOU have all you need and generosity is just extending the flow that is always there.

I have cast MY lot with a single belief. I believe we each have a spirit rope in which we will thrive because we are IN this connection. It is so easy to feel compassion for those who believe in the world as cause. IMO at this moment in "reality" we are each faced with a stretching of "what exists" AND the need to stay IN our center with plasma Sentience which is beyond all but personal AND me. I am in a tuition with Source and with MY mother/father Godness. The polarity made me and I am. JUST LIKE YOU, I am a spirit having an experience in a world BUT NOT OF the world.

Try this: be here in this moment without past or future. In this space with no past or future, GOD IS, YOU ARE and then wonder How GOOD COULD IT GET?

IMO there is a shift and many factions trying to delude our minds so we will be disconnected from what IS and LOVES us. I am a fractal of God and have the right to LIFE and just only need to disavow the power of the world. We must KNOW we have energy and may intend GOOD!
The social landscape is the effect and cannot change unless we can change our attention.

A couple of videos... one about Whitley Strieber's interaction with NHI. I think we should decline to interact until we have developed our own state of being to 100% connection to Source.

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The other is actually along the lines of what I imagine, we lay new tracks as we focus on the connection with "God, How Good Can It get?"

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[shaberon]

Groupthink and tribalism impulses are built into the system because of how they were once necessary for survival, as Mark points out; what we're seeing now with identity politics and pro Trump vs anti Trump etc is groupthink and tribalism run amok, like a corrupted program. And that might be a good way to describe all this strange behavior: biological programs that were once useful becoming corrupted and distorted.


The human organism is a quite unusual creature because:


It gestates for nine months in order to produce a being that is helplessly dependent for years.


From that point, I rapidly form the conclusion that housing and a food supply are worth working for. I respect those stone age survivors who never changed, and, I'm not recommending for myself or others that is the way we must be. I'm willing to trade some amount of "freedom" for the benefits of collective work.

It appears to me to be exploited and grossly mismanaged, for an end product that is not particularly impressive.

If instinctual energy is not channeled properly, delusion results.

The fact that it is physically "guided" makes it easy to do so mentally. In my view, once we establish a certain level of common good, it should have been directed in very different ways. The creatures appear imprisoned by devices of their own making.

[Delight]

Groupthink and tribalism impulses are built into the system because of how they were once necessary for survival, as Mark points out; what we're seeing now with identity politics and pro Trump vs anti Trump etc is groupthink and tribalism run amok, like a corrupted program. And that might be a good way to describe all this strange behavior: biological programs that were once useful becoming corrupted and distorted.


The human organism is a quite unusual creature because:


It gestates for nine months in order to produce a being that is helplessly dependent for years.


From that point, I rapidly form the conclusion that housing and a food supply are worth working for. I respect those stone age survivors who never changed, and, I'm not recommending for myself or others that is the way we must be. I'm willing to trade some amount of "freedom" for the benefits of collective work.

It appears to me to be exploited and grossly mismanaged, for an end product that is not particularly impressive.

If instinctual energy is not channeled properly, delusion results.

The fact that it is physically "guided" makes it easy to do so mentally. In my view, once we establish a certain level of common good, it should have been directed in very different ways. The creatures appear imprisoned by devices of their own making.

I have recently ben listening to different kinds of podcasts and documentaries and one was with Lee Merritt who describes the symbols of Phrygia and Etruscan/Roman usage like the bundle of fascies which symbolized being a protector of a particular faction of power. I will lnk the video at the end. It represents the idea that through our known history THE SAME tribe of CRIMINALS has ruled by subterfuge and cunning evil actions. I listened to a VERY TALANTED man's deathbed confession. he was IN on the contemporary mob/gov/? collusion and shows some of the way it works. These people are IMO thrilled by the criminality of the lives they choose.

This particular man sounds to be brilliant and spirited in his actions. He was allowed in criminal underworld networks to have an exciting, dangerous and secret kind of life. It strikes me that always, the flower of our human clan is snatched up and used by evil inversion of what I call the GOOD. IMO the beurocracy of the world and the SYSTEM that enslaves our minds present no particularly attractive GOOD that is MORE appealing than crime? Crime comes in all kinds of form but it always involves getting over on another (power OVER) and ability to bend others to one's will. A lowlevel minion weilds the power of the BOSS but experiencies the thrill of overpowering another.

IMO Religion has been the single worst psyop because it disconnects us from authentically GOOD power OF THE INEFFABLE DIVINE, connected to our I am. Connection leads to great mystery and adventure which can make life so meaningfull that one would not trade in EVIL. Once in acertain direction, the only way back is repenting and claiming oneself as greater than any aspect of how we live. It takes a willingness to not BE GOD, but WITH GOD.

Trauma shame and guilt oppress the Spirit. We truly may forgive what we have contributed to OUR own life and take a new path.

MO the Cathars who called themselves the Good People created a culture that was SO meaningful and satisfying in a material way and yet was GOOD in all the ways MY heart knows this energy. OK, so they were destroyed but the SPIRIT of that is all around us. It seems to be looking for us and "I one was lost but now I am found... was Blind but now I see." This is a COMPELLING antidote to EVIL lures.

I am feeling so compassionate about how the best and brightest of all generations are thwarted by the SYSTEM, their minds bewildered and God cut off. I observe it may BE that some genuinely LOVE EVIL and some may learn to LOVE evil because it seems to provide what one might desire to experience? I harp on it but we MUST each reach in and grab God.

Otherwise we are beset by EVIL. Everything looks to be dying. Trading in evil gives whatever is WORTH WHILE in us to DEATH! The world sets us up to destroy and be destroyed. Perhaps EVIL is
OUR unrecognized self HATE. Man's self hate projected into an Egregore that must MURDER what seems the source of shame? The GAME of Death (?) gets so deep!

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[shaberon]

It represents the idea that through our known history THE SAME tribe of CRIMINALS has ruled by subterfuge and cunning evil actions.


Can you be more specific about this?

I might agree that a similar mentality has attempted to "take over" many times, but history is the story of rebuking it. Being actually "ruled" by one dynasty seems to be a bit of a reach. For instance, if we suggest the Cathars represent "a different way", weren't they relatively autonomous in southern France prior to Crusades being waged on them?

To criticize "religion", then, I will use the Pillar of Ashoka to define the diametric opposite of "religion" and deny its effect has been universal.

I, personally, find it is the doctrine of "Covenant" that underlies "religion" arising as the manipulative and restrictive force as described. In fact, I can find it rather concretely expressed that way in the English language in the 1500s. But it is a groundless superstition. Nor does it fully explain "rulership", though I think it may cover a lot of distance in terms of "psyop".

[Delight]

It represents the idea that through our known history THE SAME tribe of CRIMINALS has ruled by subterfuge and cunning evil actions.


Can you be more specific about this?



Who are the Elite of the Elite? They are not "like us" IMO.

Why is the Phrygian cap a symbol? Maybe they came from Anatolia and have influenced all of the world with their culture using us as food and slaves? In this model, blood matters and people must be severely compromised to be given a "place" because it is a sacrifice SYSTEM.

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[shaberon]

Why is the Phrygian cap a symbol? Maybe they came from Anatolia and have influenced all of the world with their culture using us as food and slaves?



This has already been met by the counter-claim that Phrygia is Indian Bhrgu, and is an Indian colony from 11,000 B. C. E..


Neither one seems to be quite the case.

Towards the east, there is an influx of Anatolian DNA into the Iranian plateau starting around 6,000 B. C. E., and, it slowly progresses. This is in conjunction with cereals that are Anatolian in origin.

The spread of genetics stops when it gets to India; so does wheat agriculture. Indian "identity", if anything, would be spreading rice into regions that had started using wheat.

Central Anatolia is not noted for technological developments. It is responsible for that sub-species tentatively called Iranian Farmer.

What seems to have happened is that it had some areas that were significant as a source of Tin in the early Bronze Age. After about 2,000 B. C. E., it was called "inadequate", supplemented and replaced.

It is hard to extrapolate how a specifically-Anatolian influence crossed those hurdles.

The Avesta knows nothing of west Iran. As far as we can tell, it represents a separate, un-influenced place. Because it, in turn, is attempting to do the influencing, and, it chronicles this as being extraordinarily difficult, I think it may be a difficult process.


Having that perspective, I will put forward a corollary:


Mycenean Greece took advantage of the Minoan calamity


Let's say this potential problem -- elitist dominance -- arises in almost any place and has been known to happen and was usually stopped or overthrown.

The Myceneans made a type of "economic system", which was then replicated by other kingdoms around the Mediterranean, around the Anatolian and Canaanite coasts. As far as we know, this is by consensus, or strategy, or agreement, which manifests as an international oligarchy. Moreover, it seems to have stood in place for about three hundred years. Afterwards, it is overthrown, everywhere, in classical Greece, repeatedly, but does not regain coherence until the Patricians of the late Roman Empire. As "the west", that is more or less the same bundle of property that we have today.

The other thing that happened a lot was not just violence. It was a known thing in politics. If people could find a better deal somewhere else, they would flee. A whole village might pack up and move. It wasn't always easy to just oppress somebody. The underlying message to be derived from Avesta, Veda, or Orthodoxy, is that the job of government is to prevent exploitation of the poor. So I have to agree, yes, the "presence" of dominators seems apparent almost anywhere, and no, they don't have to dominate, or, that is an unnatural condition.

[Mari]

I've always felt that for humanity to realise Unity Consciousness, it'll take nothing less than a 'event' of some sort - an energetic shift, Galactic in nature, of which as you say, we have just entered.
We are just too full of ourselves at present for any true organic (left to ourselves) awakening to occur within the timeline that the Divine has laid out, so a bit of 'assistance' is being sent to us.

[shaberon]

...it'll take nothing less than a 'event' of some sort - an energetic shift, Galactic in nature...


It is my aspiration that Israel and Ukraine are this "event".

The Anglo-European "team" that has driven it is relatively small. And right now, "Multi-cultural order" seems to account for ~85% of the world's population. Therefor it seems to me to have already happened, and, "we" are in the position of playing catch-up in order to maintain relevance.


Those places are such case studies of intellectual tinkering with scriptures, social engineering via education and commerce, unjust laws along with considerable volumes of regular crimes, like enfranchisement of biolabs with diplomatic immunity of the personnel, there is no shortage of complaints to bring up for review. Too many for an individual to ever fully name. The roots are relatively simple though.

[SilentFeathers]

Is it EGO? TRIBE? TEAM?



Remember years ago when the Jim Jones group all drank the poison koolaid, this isn't much different than that, except on a much grander scale.

They called the death there "mass murder", but, wasn't it mass suicide?

Propaganda and mass conditioning and mind warping has caused a similar cult behavior on steroids!

All the great things that we all have in common and make us a collective human family has been pounded out of many minds and has been replaced with all the things that make us a little different from one another, and weaponized.

A mass induced mental disorder on a level of such evil that it's actually destroying nations.

To banished and separate ones self from family and loved ones because they voted for "the other person" or they don't agree with ones jibberish that makes no sense is a cult like mental disorder.

This cult is very demonic in nature in my opinion, it's almost completely based on hatred, immoral and sickening behavior, and downright evil.

When everything is inverted, upside down, and backwards, it's no wonder we can't make sense out of much any more......

[shaberon]

All the great things that we all have in common and make us a collective human family has been pounded out of many minds and has been replaced with all the things that make us a little different from one another, and weaponized.


Perhaps "voting" is an un-natural, non-productive contrivance.

Hardly anyone throughout the whole history of the human race would ever consider such a thing. Isn't it the very definition of "marking differences"?

Think of how much saner we would be if we didn't sit around projecting thousands of rules on strangers.

It's better just to build cohesion, a culture, give us those things that bond us together...it won't solve every single problem, but it will dismiss the acid bath.

The U. S. particularly is the death of culture, you can either be whitewashed or you are a "radical" and bound to get in trouble for something.

A Greek I knew summed it up quite patly: "They don't know how to take care of the people".

That's what happens when you are led by businessmen who rely on statistics. If I die tomorrow, that's what I will be...not a fallen brother of a robust culture, just a number with a disposal fee. I don't expect much sympathy.

[Delight]

I keep posting here because I think the title about Ego, Team and Tribe lends itself to many thoughts. I appreciate what everyone has contributed. I felt a great relief when Trump was elected and am happy to see RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard cannot be bumped off the team.

I do have Ego. We all have Ego. It is a facet of us that I am really interested in understanding. Some people out in the world give off a powerful positive energy for me. The two mentioned above do that and MY Ego loves their egos. Their Egos are at the will of their souls. I just know this is true. MY Ego IMO is not incharge of ME. I see my Ego as the interface with society. For some reason, I am not afraid iN my Ego about how people see me. IMO this place we are in here, may well be a school for EGO.

Wjhat I am concerned about for me and because it seems so REAL is the ongoing interface within me that receives all the power of the plasma sentience. This power is not for anyone else. It is for me to have a life here that CAN bring soul in.

Going back to RFK Jr., he has never felt shame for his past IMO. Or better, the shame he may have felt was transmuted to something really high in capacity to be with truth. What I cannot understand about my Ego POV, is my refusal to stop having an opinion. MY opinion is that RFK Jr. makes no sense to me in his support for the regime we know about in OUR GOVERNMENT. Tulsi Gabbard, I THINK is about ending WAR. Of course all the world is a strange place where nothing makes total sense. THis is Ego world.

The teams on Ego world are coherent to sets of patterns they believe. IMO, Ego that is NOT immeshed in the appearing world has a function FOR the soul. Maybe what we call Ego is a burdgeoning type of consciousness that MAYBE has always been AI? The issue in my heart is that I feel strongly about some ideals I love which have qualities that can only felt. The Ego has to learn to feel these and use them in creating a pattern. I am kind of in love with my idea about the school for Egos.

I listen to lost of podcasts and have been hearing RJ Spina. MY Ego says his Ego is very present in his teachings. Yes, I think he is teaching Egos how to exist in PRONOIA versus PARANOIA> One understands the Ego filters and you help the Ego filter for "How good can it get?"> such that the expansive soul and the finite Ego cooperate in THIS matterium. However, I absolutely KNOW that I am not my Ego. I am in a space with Creator observing the spins and spinning them too. This is a really really really REAL space anyone can get into. It is not about mind and ego. You can develop bifocal vision of the SPINNING GAME. You see what you choose and the art of SEEING is using the Ego mind part that projects onto the field. I like alot of what RJ Spina thinks. He seems to be teaching/learning authentically. My feeling is also that we don't ever need to take his courses.

Yes, let us love our EGO. It is part of a whole being. Love our whole being.I think our world can be so absolutely FOR us in the matterium but it may not be any more than a dream? I like the idea that the world is for the Ego? I will contempplate a highly intuitive resonant with divine EGO filter which expects the Universe is FOR us.

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[norman]

please excuse my tangent




Youtube has nobbled all my video download options recently (very frustrating). Perhaps others are still successfully downloading YT videos, if so please let me know how. When I find something on line I appreciate I like to save a copy of it in my own archive.

If others are in the same situation and feel similarly about it, here's the audio podcast version of the video Delight has posted above. It's easily downloaded from there too.


Regina Meredith - Stop Listening to Gurus and Teachers! with RJ Spina (https://podbay.fm/p/regina-meredith/e/1731097959)
57 minutes - Posted Nov 8, 2024

Show notes
RJ Spina's soul brought his body to the brink of death and paralysis to a state of complete recovery through metaphysical principles he had been shown since childhood. But he was shown much more.

As we watch the greater game of the times unfold, it's critical that we stay centered on the nature of this reality. It's being posited that this is a simulation, rather than the more accurate notion of a collective creation. In this conversation, RJ Spina and I speak about the imperative to learn to be totally present as we create our collective future. Along the way he also shares why this Free Will "experiment" is a "raging success" with full presence as our greatest tool for higher outcomes. Enjoy!
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[Mark]

Hey Mike, sorry for the extremely late response. I liked it a month and a half ago and planned on responding but forgot.


Groupthink and tribalism impulses are built into the system because of how they were once necessary for survival, as Mark points out; what we're seeing now with identity politics and pro Trump vs anti Trump etc is groupthink and tribalism run amok, like a corrupted program. And that might be a good way to describe all this strange behavior: biological programs that were once useful becoming corrupted and distorted.

Biology is running amok currently, it is true. By biology, I'm referring specifically to the lower chakra or reptilian brain aspect which is primarily concerned with basic aspects of life. Food, physical comfort, survival. Threats to this triumvirate result in the triggering of the Amygdala and the fear response, which is a neurochemical bath that suffuses all aspects of consciousness and physiological response, i.e. a consistent, chemical immersion in what could be considered an atmospheric fear-based reality.


Another example he gives is the empathy impulse. Empathy, he says, has now been distorted into what he calls "suicidal empathy". Examples include prioritizing illegal immigrants over our own poor, starving, and dispossessed. And prioritizing trans men over women when it comes to women's spaces etc

There are loads of examples like this. But basically these histrionics are often the misfiring of biological impulses that were once useful in our past or still are useful currently but in much lower doses.

I see validity in that.

As I've probably mentioned numerous times before, the Demographic Transition has been a basic lesson of college geography, Introduction to Geography, World Regional Geography, etc., for decades. I taught about the Western Nations population demography from the mid-90s until the late-Aughts, 2008 or so. Europe, Australia and the US have been losing population due to industrialization and urbanization for all that time as wealth has increased and people have been having fewer children which makes it impossible to replace workers in national populations across the West.

The Usual Suspects at the global and national level have, of course, been planning for that inevitability since the 80s if not before.

So immigration. Whose going to work the jobs? Who is going to keep the Fast Food Restaurants, the Gas Stations, the Industrial Jobs, the Farm Work, going? Who is going to bolster the transition we are currently experiencing in the tech arena motoring forward by providing for the basic work that still keeps our society functioning when the children of middle class privilege in the country will be seeking the managerial and support jobs at the higher corporate and governmental levels, as has occurred in our nation and other western nations?

The immigrants. That has been the plan that eventually became what is known as The Great Replacement Theory. It has been a replacement for those members of certain sub-sectors of society who have not performed to the level of raising their family stars to certain economic realms of accomplishment, who have not reached upper middle/lower upper class attainment, which is still quite substantial in the US and many European nations. Institutionalized Empathy might be a better term for it than Suicidal Empathy because not all members of the privileged class will fall prey to job loss and diminution of status, just those who are still caught in the lower classes.

But the populations of those ethnic groups see it as an attack upon their status and their income, which, in a sense, it is, as the society transitions to a more multicultural one of what those organizations and interests who plan at the global level deemed absolutely necessary back in the day in order to maintain Western Global Hegemony.

All empires have done it, have reached this stage of their development across time and space. And pretty much all have failed at this project as we are currently failing now. One Planet is a fearsome prospect for many.

I could go on and on but I'm sure you get the gist. Institutionalized Empathy can't work by definition and the backlash against it was predictable. As these times and what we are experiencing nationally and globally were predicted far beyond political or cultural prognostications.

[onawah]

The same elephant in this room (as in so many others that are focused on the causes for the escalating insanity) is of course, the SUN and the 12,000 year solar cycle.
(See https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107798-Geomagnetic-Reversals-and-Ice-Ages for all the data about that. )
Another major oversight that frequently occurs comes about when people ignore the negative effects created by all the electromagnetic frequencies everyone is being exposed to, which also continue to escalate, and affect the human brain and the entire body in very negative ways.
Some people are more vulnerable to both, but everyone is affected to some degree.
See: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87731-EMFs-Are-Destroying-Our-Health&highlight=electromagnetic+sensitivity
https://mercuri.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2018/10/two_elephants_2.png

[norman]

I wrote this quoted post in response to a post in the Poll: Shawn Ryan thread but on being reminded since that this thread exists I feel I could easily have written it for this thread.


Brendon O'Connell is no one I'd rush to for advice about grifters and trouble makers. He ticks all my boxes for being a particularly toxic one himself, especially the latter. That's not to say Shawn Ryan is not a mess too, he obviously is.

My biggest issue with this kind of thing is that we the listeners are the problem. In general we are not very good at listening. Full locked-on narrative following as if someone has either got it all right or got it all wrong is beyond naïve now it's got to a point of addictive stupidity or maybe desperate clinging to phantom team membership/support perhaps based on self insecurity in our overwhelmed data processing capabilities.

A dire lack of awareness of the vertical dynamic, also, handicaps us just as drastically as a bottomed out magnesium level. When Richard Hoagland famously said "the lie is different at every level", as true and profound as it was, what he said was really only the tip of the iceberg. I suggest every one of us seriously and meditatively contemplate that statement "the lie is different at every level" on a regular daily basis. Expand it. Flip it. swap lie for truth even. Play with it like a mind toy. Even bring in a modest spirituality to it and apply the notion to that as well. Actually, especially do that.

We are, sorry egos, so dreadfully infantilized intellectually that having a mind toybox isn't as ridiculous as you might at first assume.

[palehorse]

This short animation tells a lot about these issues. I don't know if we can change that my friend, changes must start with each individual, the tribe/clan/group/faction/etc only exist because interests (material wealth) are offered in that hierarchical system, people want to keep their little ****ty status quo and they will do anything for that.

BTicYUPm5dsY

[shaberon]

Europe, Australia and the US have been losing population due to industrialization and urbanization for all that time as wealth has increased and people have been having fewer children which makes it impossible to replace workers in national populations across the West.

The Usual Suspects at the global and national level have, of course, been planning for that inevitability since the 80s if not before.

So immigration. Whose going to work the jobs? Who is going to keep the Fast Food Restaurants, the Gas Stations, the Industrial Jobs, the Farm Work, going? Who is going to bolster the transition we are currently experiencing in the tech arena motoring forward by providing for the basic work that still keeps our society functioning when the children of middle class privilege in the country will be seeking the managerial and support jobs at the higher corporate and governmental levels, as has occurred in our nation and other western nations?

The immigrants.


Eh, no. That would be me. Plus most of everyone else who was born here. Not sure how they got here. My ancestors defeated the British so we could do this "our own way".

We recently inquired for a roof job. The guys who came out, were, in my estimation, immigrants. They told us a shingle roof for this place would be $44k. So we can't get that. I'm watching the ceiling over my head dissolve.

But yes, that is of course true, the effects of industrialization are known and this has been "planned", in about the same way the cutting edge has left the United States and is found in several other countries. Drawing in immigrants is part of the equation, while it's very obvious that nixes the future for the rest of us that were already here. That means the government hates you.

And, it is basically in the same move as erasing the first sermon of Jesus about Debt Cancellation, and so I would have to argue this is rather a "spiritual" war that actually does have a side that is "uplifting to the poor", which has quite possibly manifested for extended periods of time in some places.

In my lifetime, I've watched everything go completely backwards.

In recent experience, commuting to moneyed neighborhoods for such work, one observes there are no co-workers from that neighborhood.

Although this is of course "governmentally managed", the culprit is the businesses themselves. It's all in this kind of people and how they operate. Consequently, it is the job of a good government to protect you from that; that is its main purpose.

Since we do not have that, the logical outcome is I become the immigrant.

[Michel Leclerc]

All the great things that we all have in common and make us a collective human family has been pounded out of many minds and has been replaced with all the things that make us a little different from one another, and weaponized.


Perhaps "voting" is an un-natural, non-productive contrivance.

Hardly anyone throughout the whole history of the human race would ever consider such a thing. Isn't it the very definition of "marking differences"?

Think of how much saner we would be if we didn't sit around projecting thousands of rules on strangers.

It's better just to build cohesion, a culture, give us those things that bond us together...it won't solve every single problem, but it will dismiss the acid bath.

The U. S. particularly is the death of culture, you can either be whitewashed or you are a "radical" and bound to get in trouble for something.

A Greek I knew summed it up quite patly: "They don't know how to take care of the people".

That's what happens when you are led by businessmen who rely on statistics. If I die tomorrow, that's what I will be...not a fallen brother of a robust culture, just a number with a disposal fee. I don't expect much sympathy.

Brilliant, Shaberon. No illusions. "We” are not able to understand, nor feel, that we cannot be smart without being good, nor good without being smart. “Mob/gov”, as Delight abbreviates: the coalition of the bad with the lazy. I cope in a den, “somewhere in Canada” (Rowan Atkinson). They will come.

[Mark]

So immigration. Whose going to work the jobs? Who is going to keep the Fast Food Restaurants, the Gas Stations, the Industrial Jobs, the Farm Work, going? Who is going to bolster the transition we are currently experiencing in the tech arena motoring forward by providing for the basic work that still keeps our society functioning when the children of middle class privilege in the country will be seeking the managerial and support jobs at the higher corporate and governmental levels, as has occurred in our nation and other western nations?

The immigrants.



Eh, no. That would be me. Plus most of everyone else who was born here. Not sure how they got here. My ancestors defeated the British so we could do this "our own way".

We recently inquired for a roof job. The guys who came out, were, in my estimation, immigrants. They told us a shingle roof for this place would be $44k. So we can't get that. I'm watching the ceiling over my head dissolve.

Excellent point. All of our ancestors got here "some way". The preponderance of my DNA comes from Africa obviously, with a significant amount of my embodied genetic presence - somewhere between 38% and 54%, as an average of the tests I took - coming from Europe and a much smaller percentage from South America and Asia. Even those who are "from here", Aboriginal Americans, didn't come from here originally, although my recent dive into all of the "Tartarian" stuff that has been prevalent lately has some interesting aspects to it in regards to the mid-late 1800s and hidden history.

Your example reflects my statement regarding those in the largest proportion of the "privileged class", read European American, who remains in the mid-middle class/lower class station. You and so many others are part of what could be considered to be "acceptable losses" in the project of Western-based, Eurocentric Empire. While the preponderance of my ancestral lineage has always seen this side of the US of A, the experience of Gen-X (to an extent), Millennials and Gen-Z have been much different from that of earlier generations of European Americans going back to the founding of this nation.

It's not that the lower classes haven't always been taken advantage of in this system, it's the way it has always been, right? What has shifted has occurred because of the necessity of providing more labor to the market and immigration coming from brown and black nations rather than Europe. They have to get people from somewhere and Europeans aren't migrating to the USA like they used to. They have their own population issues to deal with in their home countries, and a certain amount of economic and social stability that is not present here.


But yes, that is of course true, the effects of industrialization are known and this has been "planned", in about the same way the cutting edge has left the United States and is found in several other countries. Drawing in immigrants is part of the equation, while it's very obvious that nixes the future for the rest of us that were already here. That means the government hates you.

Again, on point and to your earlier point that even those born here in the USA who are at a certain economic level have been on the chopping block as well as other minority populations. We have known for a long, long time that the government hates us, despite what the multicultural push of the last couple of decades has resulted in. Which really isn't much, all things considering. What we see on our screens isn't indicative of what the actual conditions are and have been (https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2022/how-the-racial-wealth-gap-has-evolved-and-why-it-persists).

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=54352&d=1737667452


And, it is basically in the same move as erasing the first sermon of Jesus about Debt Cancellation, and so I would have to argue this is rather a "spiritual" war that actually does have a side that is "uplifting to the poor", which has quite possibly manifested for extended periods of time in some places.

In my lifetime, I've watched everything go completely backwards.

In recent experience, commuting to moneyed neighborhoods for such work, one observes there are no co-workers from that neighborhood.

Although this is of course "governmentally managed", the culprit is the businesses themselves. It's all in this kind of people and how they operate. Consequently, it is the job of a good government to protect you from that; that is its main purpose.

Since we do not have that, the logical outcome is I become the immigrant.

Agreed, in essence. With the push to end Birthright citizenship the 14th Amendment is being assailed by the new Administration. This fight will be vicious, because the implications affect all men and women of color as well as white women, who are and have been the primary beneficiaries of Affirmative Action since its inception as quiet as it is kept. Americans of all ethnicities whose ancestry has been in this nation for generations have been left in the dust in favor of situating those who have just arrived. Whether they are arriving by crossing a river illegally or have been brought here from other nations because of their technical or educational achievements in their home countries, they are receiving benefits that elevate them beyond what is necessary for those who've been here and have been stuck in economic stasis for generations.

[shaberon]

We have known for a long, long time that the government hates us...


Good.

In comparison with your other remarks, I'll toss in the following.

Most of the Irish were brought here in a condition of "indentured servitude", which is like slavery, with the theory you might be able to "work it off". But he cost $5, whereas Africans were more like $50. Who was disposable?

The first known insurrection was in the Jamestown colony, which was a combination of both of these "low classes" who joined together effectively as an uprising against "the rich".

I, personally, am pasty white except for 1/64 Cherokee, which isn't unusual, owing to many runaways from the "Trail of Tears".

Having lived in the hotbed of "civil rights protests", this is what I have seen. Those guys who did the "peaceful sit-ins" had a point. They weren't grandstanding over ideals or spouting slogans. Rather, they *showed* the basics, "I am neatly dressed and behaving politely, which is why I should be treated the same as other people".

Those guys do not like the raggy, rude younger generation that wants to ride on their coat-tails.

Since then, the mostly Mexican immigrants who go through the legal process, do not like the illegals.

And so it comes down to how you act and how we treat each other.

Similarly, the underlying institution of "slavery" doesn't necessarily equate to evil.

For example, a common job for slaves in the Roman Empire was business manager.

The word "slave" itself is a "Slav", an eastern European, as subject to a Frank or "free" western European.

There are many cases where if a man "owned" another, it was his best friend. This is a minor guarantee in a world where you might not have any friends.

I have experienced "virtual" or de facto slavery, that is, no real choices and being told what to do, for about two years -- and the only thing wrong with it was I did not like what I was told to do.

Otherwise, I could have been super happy with it.

Europeans only migrated here because their experience in Europe was horrendous. The principle of European government is that you *are* owned. But this is its own inversion of the old world definition, where it was effectively the leadership that was owned. And what they have promoted and dominated with is militarism. It's not a value system, it's not an objective analysis, it is the mechanization of human beings into a fighting machine. No soul.

A government in favor of soulless business owners is the most dangerous thing. It is from there we get those messages that inflate our egos and divide us against the "other".

And, I suppose what is too much for white-centric groupthink is that Native Americans came from Siberia and therefor *are* the same genetic pool that also became western Europeans. It is a later wave of them that were mixed Siberian--Oriental, which represents the majority of "tribes"; only small groups in Alaska and Canada represent "pure Siberian". Did those "Siberians" come from Africa at an even more distant epoch, probably so. I don't think we can jettison the basic "out-of-Africa" theory; it is more a question of how many waves.

The common sense of ancient humanity is still practiced by the Adivasis or "Native Indians" of India: when a village reaches a certain quota, a group migrates.

Most of their problems did not stem from war or psychological manipulation; it was over-population and environmental issues. Dealing with it was a matter of difficult personal decisions, not dictation from some overlord you've never met. The issue doubles down or comes up more rapidly with the use of metal tools and more productive agriculture. In the west, at least, we seem to still face extreme difficulty in how to wisely use our "production to excess".

[Mark]

Most of the Irish were brought here in a condition of "indentured servitude", which is like slavery, with the theory you might be able to "work it off". But he cost $5, whereas Africans were more like $50. Who was disposable?

The first known insurrection was in the Jamestown colony, which was a combination of both of these "low classes" who joined together effectively as an uprising against "the rich".

No lies detected. Cromwell made sure to get rid of the "problems" he was having subduing the Irish in what had by then become a common practice. Australia and New Zealand saw a lot of this as well. Bacon's/Jamestown Rebellion changed the game.


A government in favor of soulless business owners is the most dangerous thing. It is from there we get those messages that inflate our egos and divide us against the "other".

It has worked very well for over 300 years now. "Ego, team and tribe" has broken down with exposure, especially in the younger generations, Gen Z and their youngest babies, Gen A. While, simultaneously, the Corporations have become all-powerful and the warnings of Eisenhower and Kennedy about the Military-Industrial Complex and Secret Organizations have been lost to all but those who've gone far enuf down the rabbit hole to never find their way out again.


And, I suppose what is too much for white-centric groupthink is that Native Americans came from Siberia and therefor *are* the same genetic pool that also became western Europeans. It is a later wave of them that were mixed Siberian--Oriental, which represents the majority of "tribes"; only small groups in Alaska and Canada represent "pure Siberian". Did those "Siberians" come from Africa at an even more distant epoch, probably so. I don't think we can jettison the basic "out-of-Africa" theory; it is more a question of how many waves.

It is. I'm sold on the Out of Africa theory for Homo Sapiens, that seems indisputable at this point, but doesn't discount the genetic incursions from Neanderthal, Denisovan and the other unknown "cousins" they've found represented in the DNA of some populations. I heard something really recently talking about the multiple-hearth theory of human evolution mixed with the ancient alien trope of disparate centers for the development of different types of humans with these mixtures, which really reads like the Enuma Elish in some sense, in that these populations had to be kept distant from each other in order to create specific phenotypes that were genetically stable. Another potential key in the lock of human and tribal evolution over time.


The common sense of ancient humanity is still practiced by the Adivasis or "Native Indians" of India: when a village reaches a certain quota, a group migrates.

Most of their problems did not stem from war or psychological manipulation; it was over-population and environmental issues. Dealing with it was a matter of difficult personal decisions, not dictation from some overlord you've never met. The issue doubles down or comes up more rapidly with the use of metal tools and more productive agriculture. In the west, at least, we seem to still face extreme difficulty in how to wisely use our "production to excess".

Our planetary issues are currently fueling mass migration from the equatorial regions into the northern nations. As quiet as it is kept, environment is playing a large part in that equation. I personally understand the entire solar system to be experiencing these climate shifts, so I'm not a fan of any type of anthropogenic cause and the science proves that out, as many folks here are well aware. The side-effect, is the neo-colonized populations of American nations the entire continent across are making their way to what they perceive as the land of milk and honey. The protests against that were predictable, as is the current backlash.

The corporations have a lot to do with it of course, as well, as they continue to act in rapine ways to extra resources from these countries where it is now difficult for many to eke out a personal living as the vegetation shifts with the climate. It seems to be a large-scale confluence of interrelated events which are leading to another era of mass human migration.

[shaberon]

...the genetic incursions from Neanderthal, Denisovan and the other unknown "cousins" they've found represented in the DNA of some populations.


To draw this out a little more:


Inasmuch as they are considered "different", there is a noticeably high level of Neanderthal mixed into Sapiens.

The reverse is also true -- most late Neanderthals are themselves mixed with "humans".


Denisovan is very rare but they have a palpable line of descent -- their genetics are strewn from Siberia towards the southeast until they pool at a 5% occurrence in modern New Guineans.

As for "cousins", yes, there is now a need for an unknown placeholder. That is, there are human remains that show an admixture of something that is not Neanderthal or Denisovan and has not been discovered.


I can't imagine what existence at that end of the spectrum must be like. Did these people use language?

Chipped stone tools are one thing, but, the earliest example of ingenuity I am aware of, was dated to about 100,000 years in South Africa. Bedding material was found, consisting of reeds that have an insect-repellant property. This is clever enough, but it appears the materials had been sourced from a site about 200 miles away.



I was thinking in current terms about "colonizing the north" and I realized this. I am an only child. I live with another only child, who has an only child. Someone else here is now an only child, because about a year ago, his brother, who was sixteen, spontaneously died one night while sitting in a chair. And, the other person here is another only child, I think.

None of us are likely to reproduce.

And I believe I can transfer that statement to the others that I know.

The next generation won't be.


This is a special kind of poverty.

In my case it is voluntary because I am not on the team/tribe, I won't fight for it and I do not think it is a good background for a child.


I do, however, remember something about a period of relative prosperity that consisted in acting independently of British law. This was the case in the colonial era, and it is why the colonies regarded themselves as robust enough to get along just fine without the British system. And so in various ways, you had de facto independence long before a shot was fired.

With this as a reference, it does not say a corporation is a prohibited business model. They are just kept on a leash. It would get a twenty-year charter. If it could not satisfy an audit, it would be dismantled for corruption. And their purpose was mainly for infrastructure, such as bridges and canals.

Because the National Bank charter was not renewed, there were attacks by Britain in 1812.

This is a big difference, when they are legally weak, rather than an Immortal Person way more powerful than you.

If there was a business model to forbid, it might be mortgage.

Well, if we watch that spread through the nineteenth century, I become a product of Industrialization something like this. We had a big westward expansion, owing to railroads, which had mostly been set in place by the Chinese. One of my ancestors got married, moved to Michigan, and the wife died at an early age. He returned home and married her sister, which was a normal custom in similar situations. And they moved farther out. And this is in the nineteenth century and you could literally order a kit house from a Sears catalog, and lumber would be sent up from Kansas and so forth. It was fairly common and why so much of the midwest has that same look.

But, guess what, in the long run the bank has the land.

There is no time when these practices were not opposed. There are times when they were not practiced.

[grapevine]

One of the most perplexing things I have been confronted with in my adult life is this present insane division among people of truly common interests.

Is it Ego? The need to be right? To have your team, tribe, its reputation protected?

Its beyond me! Nothing at all seems to end this vicious devision.

I recently met a neighbor, female, nice looking gal who we both had some initial attraction to until the vote came up.
She knew I voted for DJT and said to me , " ya know, you can tell a lot about a person by who they voted for"
Ok so now what?What did that mean? I guess that meant to me, were not on the same team, her Harris, , myself Trump Which was correct. Were not.
But that says nothing about our daily lives, who we are, how we live and what we need and value.

She had never seen my Art web page and so I sent it to her.
I thought this without verbal explanation would be a best (in short fashion), way to give her an idea of who I am and for things I stand for.

Not so. she has no interest in my Art activism, such as, truth and inquiry / my whistleblowers,/ or my care and interest for the burn community, their plight as well as all our plights by way of the discriminatory ways we treat people based on their exterior.
And my surreal portraits displaying the oneness of all things

Gee, these things sound like "liberal" things to me. No?

So I am soiled by my connection to Trump, the big bad "anti war, anti big government", pro rule of law by way of the constitution, and making America a great place again person.
Yuk!

What is this? Cannot even discuss. its all taboo, its all to hard and frustrating.

Is it EGO? TRIBE? TEAM?

Or is its something more sinister such as an op, mind control, vaccine madness, and programming?

I don't know. But I do know that many a good and sane soul will miss the opportunity to friend others of similar lives because of this scourge

thoughts?
pd


Neither Team, Tribe nor Ego unless that includes plain old Human Nature :

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https://9gag.com/gag/aD2Y03B
(1 minute)

Personality traits are inherited from both parents but nature and nurture both contribute to our characters. That shouldn't mean we're stuck with them, however, although many of us are blissfully unaware of what are (perceived) faults and the adage "birds of a feather flock together" give a somewhat false impression of righteous ideals.

[Mark]

In reference to "unknown cousins":


I can't imagine what existence at that end of the spectrum must be like. Did these people use language?

Chipped stone tools are one thing, but, the earliest example of ingenuity I am aware of, was dated to about 100,000 years in South Africa. Bedding material was found, consisting of reeds that have an insect-repellant property. This is clever enough, but it appears the materials had been sourced from a site about 200 miles away.

Yeah, we have a lot of questions, don't we. Good ones, with answers that satisfy the archaeological as well as genome record. It doesn't appear that we can get those answers if we just use the historical record as laid out by established historical, geographic, biological and anthropological sources. There is much more to the story. The part, to me, that blows up all of the established records, is the existence of a long-term disaster cycle. Nothing in our standard sources addresses catastrophic geological shift.

When I was a student in university learning about the history of Geography as a discipline, as that was my concentration in all of my higher degree programs, there was a distinction made between Catastrophism and Gradualism. That this distinction had to be made implies that it was a major argument when the universities began dividing up and compartmentalizing the disciplines, separating geology and paleontology and archaeology and all of the other disciplines into smaller, distinct and separate silos of understanding that didn't work with each other for over 100 years and still barely do. Research into Velikovsky and his work, which was endorsed by Einstein and others in the early-mid 1900s, gives us insight into the nature of what seems to be a large-scale cover-up of the disaster cycle.

The disaster cycle implies that civilization rises and falls, again and again and again. As does human mythology the planet across. With esoteric sources claiming that civilization goes back hundreds of thousands of years and forbidden archaeology having evidence of human artifacts and presence going back potentially millions of years, it seems that it all has to be thrown out the window in order to encompass the evidence at hand.

Megalithic construction, precise, detailed mechanisms, human footprints, artifacts, different types of humans co-existing, the standard models engage none of this adequately or believably.



I was thinking in current terms about "colonizing the north" and I realized this. I am an only child. I live with another only child, who has an only child. Someone else here is now an only child, because about a year ago, his brother, who was sixteen, spontaneously died one night while sitting in a chair. And, the other person here is another only child, I think.

None of us are likely to reproduce.

And I believe I can transfer that statement to the others that I know.

The next generation won't be.


This is a special kind of poverty.

In my case it is voluntary because I am not on the team/tribe, I won't fight for it and I do not think it is a good background for a child.

I think you are far from alone.

In fact, I think this is what it looks like at the personal level when aggregated to Western societies as a whole. They cannot replace themselves, and so the population diminishes. How and why, are really the question. A lot of it has to do with wealth, and by that I don't mean obscene wealth, but enough to make people comfortable. Enough to provide the basics. Food and shelter. As the generations have passed, families have had fewer and fewer children and as the West has become more and more urbanized, the dictates of urban life mandate fewer children, for cost reasons as well as culturally-determined ethical reasons. Situations differ family to family, everyone has unique reasons for not choosing to have children, reasons that form their life-path, but it results, overall, in a diminished population.

How much of this was chosen? How many families chose to have fewer children because they didn't want to bring kids into this world, or they couldn't afford them and wanted to live a good life traveling, eating out and living lives of relative ease compared to their parents, who had to raise, 2, 3, 4 children and spent half their lives with kids in the house?

When an entire society does that, it invariably results in population decline and this is what has been observed in all Western Societies for at least 50 years now.

So what can a nation do to offset this population decline ?

Build robots and imbue them with artificial intelligence to do the jobs that the children of the society can't and won't do.

Or, import labor from poorer nations.


I do, however, remember something about a period of relative prosperity that consisted in acting independently of British law. This was the case in the colonial era, and it is why the colonies regarded themselves as robust enough to get along just fine without the British system. And so in various ways, you had de facto independence long before a shot was fired.

With this as a reference, it does not say a corporation is a prohibited business model. They are just kept on a leash. It would get a twenty-year charter. If it could not satisfy an audit, it would be dismantled for corruption. And their purpose was mainly for infrastructure, such as bridges and canals.

Because the National Bank charter was not renewed, there were attacks by Britain in 1812.

This is a big difference, when they are legally weak, rather than an Immortal Person way more powerful than you.

If there was a business model to forbid, it might be mortgage.

The 14th Amendment, which is now under review by the present Administration and the Oligarchs, was used to make Corporations legal persons. It was supposed to give black Americans citizenship. In addition to that, they created a whole new class of person with it. One wonders where else the present Administration plans to go with it in the near future.


Well, if we watch that spread through the nineteenth century, I become a product of Industrialization something like this. We had a big westward expansion, owing to railroads, which had mostly been set in place by the Chinese. One of my ancestors got married, moved to Michigan, and the wife died at an early age. He returned home and married her sister, which was a normal custom in similar situations. And they moved farther out. And this is in the nineteenth century and you could literally order a kit house from a Sears catalog, and lumber would be sent up from Kansas and so forth. It was fairly common and why so much of the midwest has that same look.

But, guess what, in the long run the bank has the land.

There is no time when these practices were not opposed. There are times when they were not practiced.

And the opposition and practice continues. It seems to me that we will at some point have to transcend "Ego, team and tribe" in order to offset the divide and conquer strategies that have been used so effectively across the historical record.

Or else the opposition will continue to languish in these repetitive cycles. Heaven forbid we take it to other planets.

[shaberon]

In fact, I think this is what it looks like at the personal level when aggregated to Western societies as a whole. They cannot replace themselves, and so the population diminishes. How and why, are really the question. A lot of it has to do with wealth, and by that I don't mean obscene wealth, but enough to make people comfortable. Enough to provide the basics. Food and shelter. As the generations have passed, families have had fewer and fewer children and as the West has become more and more urbanized, the dictates of urban life mandate fewer children, for cost reasons as well as culturally-determined ethical reasons. Situations differ family to family, everyone has unique reasons for not choosing to have children, reasons that form their life-path, but it results, overall, in a diminished population.


Yes, and this is in keeping with a rough definition of Fascism as that which is oppressive to labor.

It involves dealing with humanity as a kind of livestock.

A significant part of what I keep finding again and again, is clear from Greece where curiously enough, the Tyrant is the one who comes in from the outside to usurp such a Fascist regime.

As a non-Christian, if I begin to contemplate the Gospels as potentially being accurate or useful, I come to the first known scriptural teaching by Jesus, which is that he is being moved by the Spirit to perform an Aphesis, which would be a Debt Cancellation, which would make him a Tyrant.

It would be the timeless message of the ages, since it is the same story being told everywhere else. Something like a mission to de-nazify this place.

If you lose the Greek meaning you lose the message.

It is in military manuals from the fourth century B. C. E. by Tacticus, who gives the same advice to attackers and defenders. This means you will lose if you don't do it. The Fascist regime will either suffer a revolt, or it will kill itself in consequence of its anti-labor favoritism.

Its a losing strategy, in which we find the performers in the eleventh hour of a "kick the can" phase. Keep in mind it may be unprecedented, we are in or about to hit a two-month window where the issuance of U. S. Treasury Bonds will be suspended.

The fact that in my lifetime, I have learned the phrase "homeless family", has been a good lesson that mere "ruin" as I know it, is still a step up.

It should be next to impossible to mortgage people out of primary residences.





The 14th Amendment, which is now under review by the present Administration and the Oligarchs, was used to make Corporations legal persons. It was supposed to give black Americans citizenship. In addition to that, they created a whole new class of person with it. One wonders where else the present Administration plans to go with it in the near future.



This is another top shelf example of legalized favoritism. It turns out to be the case that the 14th was used as a defense to support human-as-person one time. The use as "Corporation" comes out from a judge's decision, and results in a permanent, categorical shift that must be among the highest-ranking anti-labor policies.

It's almost spiteful.

I have learned the mnemonic that it replaced the idea that a Person is Property (slavery) with Property is a Person (corporatism).

How long did it take these newly-empowered corporations, to foment the modern violent Fascism and World Wars as we know them, it was Standard Oil with Fiat and Italian National Oil by 1900.

All of the Nazis and Opus Dei and so forth come from that.

Going into the wars, it mainly used the materialistic Steel Cartel, and coming out, there are legal and financial systems, i. e. the Bank of International Settlements, and the U. N., NATO, and Israel, the monopolar order as being revealed to us now.

Ideologically, the Synarchists.

This being the case, what I am saying is that the message of social justice against this can be found in almost all major strands of religious scripture, as well as secular messages already considered pivotal such as the Code of Hammurabi and the Rosetta Stone. Seems to be the closest thing to "unification" or "agreement" between so many different places.

[thepainterdoug]

make sense of this, other than brainwashing and their need to be loyal to tribe
over 200 child sex offenders illegals arrested by ICE . but local mothers band together with whistles to blow the whistle !! warning others that ICE are in the area.
So mothers are on the side of potential criminals , not for the safety of their own children? WHY?
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