The Murder of United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson

[rgray222]

The murder of Brian Thompson (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-ceo-manhattan-shooting/), CEO of United Healthcare has been all over the news for the past week. It does appear that the murderer planned the attack fairly well but he also made some huge mistakes leaving behind a fingerprint, DNA and other physical evidence. While we don't know the motive for the murder it does appear that it might be because of a disallowed health care claim.

Every comment I have seen this week on social media about this story has been favourable towards the unknown murderer. Reddit has elevated the killer to superhero status. Social media has become a cesspool of dark humor about Thompson's pending hospital bills and the denial of insurance claims. I understand that this tragic event can be an opportunity for people to vent but the thought of cheering for a murderer seems cold and inhumane.

Here is a statement from Brian Thompson's wife;


Thompson is survived by his wife, Paulette Thompson, and two sons.

"We are shattered to hear about the senseless killing of our beloved Brian," Thompson's wife said in a statement provided to CBS News by her sister. "Brian was an incredibly loving, generous, talented man who truly lived life to the fullest and touched so many lives. Most importantly, Brian was an incredibly loving father to our two sons and will be greatly missed. We appreciate your well wishes and request complete privacy as our family moves through this difficult time."
It does not speak well of our society when people endorse murder for any reason but when an honest law-abiding man is murdered in cold blood for legally performing his job it seems particularly heinous. To my knowledge, I am not aware that Brain Thompson has been convicted of any crime, although there is an ongoing investigation regarding insider stock trading. It is going to be interesting to see how this criminal is treated if/when he is arrested.

I would love to hear people's thoughts on this subject.

[Akasha]

Not sure how he was an honest man, or (natural) law-abiding for that matter....and there-in lies the rub. People have had enough.

When the law of the land/jungle protects these gangsters, responsible for the death of thousands via refusal of valid health insurance claims because of some AI algo', it's only a matter of time before the sh!t hits the proverbial air cooling device and justice is served via a more direct mechanism.

Clif High was predicting this would happen months ago via his software and it looks as though he was right.......again. His analysis was suggesting this would become a growing trend. Time will tell, I guess.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122220-Clif-High-Predictions&p=1645470&viewfull=1#post1645470

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122220-Clif-High-Predictions&p=1645508&viewfull=1#post1645508

[Inversion]

Below is the path the shooter took after the incident.

Brian Thompson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Thompson_(businessman)#:~:text=Brian%20Robert%20Thompson%20(July%2010,his%20killing%20in%20Dec ember%202024.&text=Ames%2C%20Iowa%2C%20U.S.)

United Health Care (https://www.uhc.com/) controversies.

Reports of increasing rates of prior authorization denials prompted investigations by ProPublica and the United States Senate, investigations which were described as a "stain" on Thompson's time of leadership by Fortune. The Senate report published by the United States Senate Homeland Security Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, focused in particular on denials for Medicare Advantage plans serving the elderly and disabled.[16] The investigation revealed that in 2019, UHC's prior authorization denial rate was 8.7%. Thompson became CEO in 2021, and by 2022 the rate of denial had increased to 22.7%. For both Medicare and non-Medicare claims, UHC declines claims at a rate which is double the industry average.

In 2021, Thompson was criticized in an open letter from the American Hospital Association regarding a plan from UnitedHealthcare to start denying payment for what it deemed non-critical visits to hospital emergency rooms. UnitedHealthcare responded by delaying rollout of the change. Additionally, under Thompson’s leadership, UnitedHealthcare began using artificial intelligence to automate claim denials, resulting in their customers either incurring significant out-of-pocket medical bills or being unable to receive needed medical treatment.

A lawsuit was filed against Thompson, UnitedHealth chairman Stephen J. Hemsley, and two other senior executives in May 2024 for alleged fraud and insider trading due to failing to disclose an antitrust investigation into the company by the United States Department of Justice and by selling stock options before the probe was made public. Data concerning these allegations and notice of its report to the Securities and Exchange Commission was initially published in the Minnesota Star Tribune in February 2024.

Google AI

Health insurance plans: Individual and family plans, Medicare plans, Medicaid plans, dental, vision, and supplemental plans

Specialty benefits: Dental, vision, and financial protection plans

Pharmacy benefits: Integrated pharmacy benefits from OptumRx

Care: Virtual care, advocacy and employee support, tobacco cessation, weight loss program, and digital access

Life insurance: Life insurance products and value-added services, such as beneficiary services, will preparation, and travel assistance

Over-the-counter (OTC) drugs: Smoking cessation products, vitamins/minerals, iron, warts, and miscellaneous

UnitedHealthcare UCard: A way to spend credit at thousands of participating stores, including Walmart, Walgreens, CVS, and Kroger

UnitedHealthcare Community Plan: A way to buy healthy foods like fruits and vegetables, meat, seafood, dairy products, and water

Accident Protection plan: A way for employers to tailor the benefit schedule and coverage amounts to pay out for over 80 common covered injuries and services

Google AI

Iron: Ferrous fumarate, ferrous gluconate, ferrous sulfate, iron polysaccharides, Niferex, and more

Magnesium oxide: Mag-Ox

Multivitamins and minerals: Centrum

Vitamins: Vitamin A, Vitamin B-1, Vitamin B-6, Vitamin C, and more

Zinc: Zinc

dailymail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14167805/Internet-sleuths-UnitedHealthcare-CEO-Brian-Thompson-assassin.html)
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/12/07/06/92897533-14167805-image-a-30_1733551514061.jpg

[SilentFeathers]

The mostly spun/controlled narrative by the far left MSM and also being repeated on some social media sites, etc., is not by mistake or accidental.

Considering Thompson was the subject of a DOJ investigation for insider trading and fraud throws up many red flags and is really all I need to know when it comes to something much larger happening here.

I doubt this shooter was just a disgruntled employee or someone that was denied insurance coverage or payoff.

I'll be totally surprised if they capture this shooter in alive.....

[Akasha]

I'll be surprised if they catch him at all. He's probably somewhere in South America by now.

[Moemers]

this dude is quickly reaching some kind of Robin Hood status. The most interesting story of 2024 aside from the project monarch hit attempt on Trump

[Inversion]

At 09:36 this morning I heard on the radio that the shooter wrote the following on the bullet shell casings. Wouldn't they withhold that information for a court case? Does that point to a narrative being pushed like George Floyd?

abcnews (https://abcnews.go.com/US/deny-defend-depose-ceo-shooting-shell-casings/story?id=116530063)

Evidence collected from the scene of the shocking shooting include shell casings with the words "deny," "defend" and "depose" written on them, according to police sources.

ABC News contributor Brad Garrett, a former FBI agent, said he believes the shooter is "trying to send a message" through the words.

[Vangelo]

At 09:36 this morning I heard on the radio that the shooter wrote the following on the bullet shell casings. Wouldn't they withhold that information for a court case? Does that point to a narrative being pushed like George Floyd?

abcnews (https://abcnews.go.com/US/deny-defend-depose-ceo-shooting-shell-casings/story?id=116530063)

Evidence collected from the scene of the shocking shooting include shell casings with the words "deny," "defend" and "depose" written on them, according to police sources.

ABC News contributor Brad Garrett, a former FBI agent, said he believes the shooter is "trying to send a message" through the words.

Another potential link ... a book titled Delay, Deny, Defend: : Why insurance companies don't pay claims and what you can do about it
Bill first posted it here... (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113363-BREAKING-NEWS-Continuously-Updated&p=1645340&viewfull=1#post1645340)

[Strat]

Honestly I don't think about it much but I'll tell you my opinion. First, regarding the murder, it's a shame. Shooting a man in the back is a bitch move. On top of that he's a father so now two kids don't see dad ever again. Holidays and his birthdays will be painful reminders for his wife and kids. On top of it if they check the internet they'll see all these cookie cutter, cold hearted, loser, repeater, drooling at the mouth jerks on the internet making jokes about it. Wonderful people. $20 says most of these jokes will be coming from the tolerant left, the same folks who made the same jokes about Trumps failed assassination attempts.

When it comes to social media it's not a surprise. I don't use social media and this is one of the reasons, it gives losers loud voices. I did have a reddit account a few years ago but I stopped going there because it's full of losers. Literally. It has incels in it. For those who don't know, 'incels' are people who are 'involuntarily celibate.' They're obsessed with sex and they can't get laid. They know they're losers and they admit it. As a result of this they have a weird way of fighting back against society and berating beautiful women.

Reddit is also pretty far left. Don't take my word this, check for yourselves. Just about every page has an LGBT flag as a top banner, even topics that have nothing to do with sexuality. Reddit sees everything through the political lens. It's tiring. You can't frequent places such as this, it's a bad influence. It doesn't matter who you are, it'll eventually rub off on you, hence why I left.

So when you bring up Reddit deifying this person I'm not surprised. That's the type of people they are.

In this world there is the 1 true grand scheme of everything. I try hard to stay in tune with this. Most people don't, especially those deep in the trenches of social media. The world loves people like Jack Doherty and Kim Kardashian, or that Hawk Tuah girl (she became popular solely because she bragged/joked about giving oral sex). Only Fans girls (and guys) get tons of money to take their close off. I live in the real world, they live in the human constructed world of slavery to ones senses. Some think it's slavery to money but that's not accurate, it's the senses. They rent happiness with cash, but don't get it twisted, they're addicted or just straight up slaves.

So they make jokes about that guy getting shot and killed. They get upvotes and that e-popularity makes them feel good. **** that dude and his kids right? In this world people will 'other' people at the drop of the hat. I think it's somewhat natural, I probably do it myself sometimes but I try not to. This kinda brings me full circle of why I don't wanna be involved with social media, reddit, all that. I don't wanna be like those out of touch, cold hearted people.

[rgray222]

I did have a reddit account a few years ago but I stopped going there because it's full of losers.


That is the conclusion I reached some time ago. I also cancelled my account. I would privately think that corporate America must love people who spend a lot of time on Reddit. They are the 9-5 type of people who never want to get ahead, never want to do any extra work, live for Fridays and complain about their jobs on a wholesale level. They are the bulk of the workforce and Corporate America knows them well, they have made it an artform on how to deal with these people. They don't have the initiative to move ahead in their jobs nor do they have the courage to quit and do something they can get excited about. They will be performing the same job (maybe at different companies) until they retire.

:focus:

Expert explains ‘only reason’ police are not releasing suspected CEO assassin’s identity

As the search for UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's killer enters a fourth day, detectives across the country are working overtime to gather information that will bring the suspect to justice.

During a press conference Saturday, New York City Mayor Eric Adams seemed to imply authorities may know the gunman's identity.

https://www.nydailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/DNFL-LCR60795.jpg?w=620

"We don’t want to release that now," Adams said. "If we do, we are basically giving a tip to the person we are seeking, and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all.

"Let him continue to believe he can hide behind the mask," the mayor added. "We revealed his face. We’re going to reveal who he is, and we’re going to bring him to justice."

Holloway told Fox News Digital the intent was to protect the investigation.

Source and full story: https://www.foxnews.com/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-assassination-crime-expert-breaks-down-questions-investigators-trying-solve

[rgray222]

Assassin's backpack found containing monopoly money

The gray backpack linked to the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, which authorities found dumped in Central Park, has reportedly yielded a jacket, and some Monopoly money, but no gun.

The backpack, which was found in Central Park West on Friday, contained a jacket, according to Bloomberg. NBC News reported Saturday that Monopoly money was also found in the backpack.

The new information came as authorities began to wrap up day four of the hunt for Thompson's assassin. The businessman was shot with a suppressed pistol at around 6:45 a.m. Wednesday outside a Midtown Manhattan hotel.

Source & full story: https://www.foxnews.com/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-assassination-reports-reveal-contents-backpack-linked-killer

[Mike]

Assassin's backpack found containing monopoly money

The gray backpack linked to the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, which authorities found dumped in Central Park, has reportedly yielded a jacket, and some Monopoly money, but no gun.

The backpack, which was found in Central Park West on Friday, contained a jacket, according to Bloomberg. NBC News reported Saturday that Monopoly money was also found in the backpack.

The new information came as authorities began to wrap up day four of the hunt for Thompson's assassin. The businessman was shot with a suppressed pistol at around 6:45 a.m. Wednesday outside a Midtown Manhattan hotel.

Source & full story: https://www.foxnews.com/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-assassination-reports-reveal-contents-backpack-linked-killer



The entire thing feels contrived to me.

When I saw the pic of the tidy backpack sitting there all safe and sound, it evoked images in my mind of the 911 "hijackers" passports and I.D. being conveniently discovered on the streets of NY. I know, it's not nearly so improbable to find a fully intact backpack in a park somewhere, but it has the same feel to me.. for what it's worth.

And the scribbles on the bullet casings ("defend, depose, deny")...it's all too convenient. The Monopoly money? Jeez. It feels like a forced plot twist written by a second rate script writer. It all seems like one of those manufactured nucleating events, one designed to rally the woke Marxist troops against the big, bad capitalists... and to 1) normalize/justify the murder of these CEO's, and 2) spawn copycat killings.

[Moemers]

why and who would manufacture that?

[T Smith]

Injustice in society is now off the charts. I'm not surprised at all by this tragedy and would expect this is just the beginning. Desperate people will respond and retaliate. That's where we're at.

I'm sure Brian Thompson wasn't innocent (who is?); he was likely a shady and self-serving businessman, but at the end of the day he was just doing his job, which -- real world folks -- was serving the interest of the shareholders. He didn't deserve a bullet for this. You don't assassinate the CEO of a supermarket because the price of eggs are $10.00 a dozen--even if the supermarket is gouging on the margin (reality check, they're not). If you're pissed about the price of eggs, look at the lobbies, the politicians, the military industrial complex. Try to understand inflation. Look at the Federal Reserve and try to grasp how and why the world works. Don't rage against those executing the policies of the money changers.

All said, rage all you want. Robin Hood heroics and all. It's not the CEO of United Healthcare why healthcare is f*&cked and why everyday people are being delayed, denied, defended. Brian Thompson is but a cog in very corrupted and broken machine.

I don't know the man, nor his crimes. If any. But I will say this:

God rest his soul.

[Nasu]

It's either a disgruntled healthcare user, either personally or someone they know or love, or a payed for hit. But both ways, this guy made too many errors to be a pro. Catching the bus from Georgia, staying in a hostel, smoosing with the desk clerk and showing his face, catching an ebike, shooting from several feet rather than up close, leaving a burner phone in an alley, going to a starbucks.... Not the tracks of a pro.

Strange thing about his gun though, this plays into my skills and understandings, in my shooting circles it doesn't ad up, he had to cycle the gun three times, but six shots were used, three shot or spent and three ejected live, to be found later. Why?

One popular theory that is doing the rounds was it was a modern version of the ww2 wellrod, a bolt action silenced pistol, having to be re chambered and cocked each shot. The point of the wellrod or modern incarnations is it's silence, due to a lack of it's moving parts to cause noise. The "Station six" or modern version of the wellrod, keeps the gasses inside the gun until it is re primed for the next shot, not so with this shooting, clearly you can see in the footage that in the first shot at least, the shot gasses escape from the top of the weapon, a Station six or homemade copy should, if made correctly, eliminate that, so inho eliminating that type of weapon.

Second option is he is using sub sonic ammunition designed for suppressed or silenced shooting, possibly a nine or twenty two caliber, due to it being slightly under powered compared to normal rounds, it won't go as far but at short ranges will impact with enough deadly force, in order to not hit the speed of sound at 1,125 feet per second and therefore not produce a sonic crack or bang, quieting or silencing it more, it often can result in malfunctions in semi automatic weapons due to it's under powered performance and thus not cycle properly.

Option three, occams razor, his gun was broken in some way. Either a misfitting slide or magazine or feed ramp.

Aside from the wellrod scenario, the problem with the other two possibilities is his casual demeanor. He didn't glance at his weapon as it needed re priming, as is usual, instead he simply re primed his weapon casually, even when he has to hit it back into battery, suggesting he was fully expecting it not to cycle properly, suggesting not a pro but much practice on his malfunctioning platform at the very least.

However, if it were a wellrod type pistol there would be no need to expend a spare unused bullet for every one fired, which in my mind eliminates the wellrod idea. So why eject an unspent bullet for every one fired? Two potential reasons, imho, option one a malfunctioning gun he was used to overcoming or two, he intended to leave those rounds for later inspection. Perhaps, given the markings on the cases, it was his intention to leave his motive, or perhaps his misdirection of his motive, who knows.

As an aside, although poorly executed, forgive the pun, this assassination was very well timed. How did he know the ceo would turn up two hours early for this conference?

As a last aside, a ten thousand dollar reward is peanuts. Ten thousand dollars for a ceo who earned ten million plus last year, for a company that had a turnover of over four hundred billion with a twenty billion dollar profit last year. My math isn't great but that's well under 1% of his own salary, never mind imagined value to the company. A more cynical man would deduce that perhaps the company wasn't that interested in actually catching the culprit......x..... N

[Mike]

why and who would manufacture that?


To cause division and chaos. Generally speaking, that's always one of the main goals of these types of events (assuming it was manufactured).

The killer is presenting it as a political act, what with the "defend, depose, deny" written on the casings, and the monopoly money in the backpack. Any kind of political assassination is usually meant as a call to action, or at least it is with Marxist, anti-capitalist types (the monopoly money clearly suggests this type of individual). Revolution is always the name of the game with them.

I speculated in my previous post that an act like this seeks to normalize/justify these types of CEO killings, and we're already seeing that all over the internet, even among prominent journalists like Taylor Lorenz. And once normalized, it will happen again and again I suspect.

To these types of people, Brian Thompson isn't even human really - he's just a symbol of their "oppression", so his killing is entirely justified and even encouraged. Deep state goons know how to trigger these woke Marxist types, so I suspect this act was designed to do just that.

Who's behind it? "They", of course:). George Soros maybe? Who knows? Some deep state goon, no doubt, trying to destabilize the west.

[Akasha]

Honestly I don't think about it much but I'll tell you my opinion. First, regarding the murder, it's a shame. Shooting a man in the back is a bitch move. On top of that he's a father so now two kids don't see dad ever again. Holidays and his birthdays will be painful reminders for his wife and kids. On top of it if they check the internet they'll see all these cookie cutter, cold hearted, loser, repeater, drooling at the mouth jerks on the internet making jokes about it. Wonderful people. $20 says most of these jokes will be coming from the tolerant left, the same folks who made the same jokes about Trumps failed assassination attempts.

When it comes to social media it's not a surprise. I don't use social media and this is one of the reasons, it gives losers loud voices. I did have a reddit account a few years ago but I stopped going there because it's full of losers. Literally. It has incels in it. For those who don't know, 'incels' are people who are 'involuntarily celibate.' They're obsessed with sex and they can't get laid. They know they're losers and they admit it. As a result of this they have a weird way of fighting back against society and berating beautiful women.

Reddit is also pretty far left. Don't take my word this, check for yourselves. Just about every page has an LGBT flag as a top banner, even topics that have nothing to do with sexuality. Reddit sees everything through the political lens. It's tiring. You can't frequent places such as this, it's a bad influence. It doesn't matter who you are, it'll eventually rub off on you, hence why I left.

So when you bring up Reddit deifying this person I'm not surprised. That's the type of people they are.

In this world there is the 1 true grand scheme of everything. I try hard to stay in tune with this. Most people don't, especially those deep in the trenches of social media. The world loves people like Jack Doherty and Kim Kardashian, or that Hawk Tuah girl (she became popular solely because she bragged/joked about giving oral sex). Only Fans girls (and guys) get tons of money to take their close off. I live in the real world, they live in the human constructed world of slavery to ones senses. Some think it's slavery to money but that's not accurate, it's the senses. They rent happiness with cash, but don't get it twisted, they're addicted or just straight up slaves.

So they make jokes about that guy getting shot and killed. They get upvotes and that e-popularity makes them feel good. **** that dude and his kids right? In this world people will 'other' people at the drop of the hat. I think it's somewhat natural, I probably do it myself sometimes but I try not to. This kinda brings me full circle of why I don't wanna be involved with social media, reddit, all that. I don't wanna be like those out of touch, cold hearted people.



Re’ incels, there but for the grace of god….

From the way you reference them I’m assuming you’re not, so for the sake of argument let’s imagine your love dies through lack of healthcare she paid for because of new corporate protocols implemented by someone like Brian Thompson……

It’s easy to deride, Strat, but as I said before, there but for the grace of god…..

[Akasha]

why and who would manufacture that?


To cause division and chaos......

Well if that was the aim, it failed miserably. Perhaps you aren’t spending much time on X etc…. but judging by the posts, memes and comments, it has overwhelmingly “caused” solidarity and focus against these mega-parasites, and rightly so.

“They” would never have wanted that. “They” are now spending a large portion of their income on extra security as well as frantically deleting their LinkdIn pages and other web info'.

Their crimes have gone unpunished for time and now their f#cking around is leading to their finding out. We like to conspiratorialise (is that a word?) about everything on here, but sometimes a spade is a spade.

It’s funny because everybody is assuming this guy is on the run. Perhaps the reason he didn’t leave his gun in his backpack is because he is just getting started, and, re’ Eric Adams’s retarded comment about “him continue(ing) to believe he can hide behind the mask”, well he ain’t gonna be believing that anymore is he, Eric, cause of you and your big mouth:facepalm:. The police like to present this "you can run but you can't hide" idiom as a deterrent, and Hollywood faithfully endorses it, but the uncomfortable fact remains: there are many criminals on the loose.

[s7e6e]

Albert Bourla is another law abiding honest man. So are Stéphane Bancel, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci and many many many many others.

[Akasha]

Albert Bourla is another law abiding honest man. So are Stéphane Bancel, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci and many many many many others.

.....and their lawyers can "prove" it every time. It's no wonder this phenomenon is emerging.

[Akasha]

Grace's five cents:


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[Akasha]

Riley Walz, on video here (https://x.com/siliconvmg/status/1864400352889720948) explaining how he scraped Lyft data to figure out which citibike was used for the escape, coincidentally bears an uncanny resemblance to the man of the moment:


https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article34265427.ece/ALTERNATES/n615/0_BREAKING-NYPD-release-new-image-of-Brian-Thompson-assassin-unmasked.jpg

[Hamish]

Hello,

For me this short video commenting on the gun and killer, was interesting to me and the person is the video with the main comments is John "Shrek" McPhee a retired U.S. Army Special Operations Sergeant Major.

https://x.com/i/status/1864706224907747361
1864706224907747361

[T Smith]

Can someone make sense of this video report at the 48 second mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JecEw-q_1k), where it appears the camera is shooting a scene in a movie, and from the omniscient vantage following the suspect of interest on the bicycle down the street? Do surveillance cameras do this sort of thing?

This may be a sophisticated feature of surveillance these days--I don't know--but on random subjects who just so happen to be the alleged killer? Why not the garbage truck behind the man riding the bicycle or the man walking on the sidewalk?

I'm not necessarily saying there isn't an explanation; just confused.

[SilentFeathers]

Can someone make sense of this video report at the 48 second mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JecEw-q_1k), where it appears the camera is shooting a scene in a movie, and from the omniscient vantage following the suspect of interest on the bicycle down the street? Do surveillance cameras do this sort of thing?

This may be a sophisticated feature of surveillance these days--I don't know--but on random subjects who just so happen to be the alleged killer? Why not the garbage truck behind the man riding the bicycle or the man walking on the sidewalk?

I'm not necessarily saying there isn't an explanation; just confused.

It looks fake to me, as far as I know street surveillance cameras like that do not single out a subject and follow them down the street.

The weirdness and fakery about this killing is somehow reminding me of the Trump shooting in Butler, PA.

[Mike]

why and who would manufacture that?


To cause division and chaos......

Well if that was the aim, it failed miserably. Perhaps you aren’t spending much time on X etc…. but judging by the posts, memes and comments, it has overwhelmingly “caused” solidarity and focus against these mega-parasites, and rightly so.

“They” would never have wanted that. “They” are now spending a large portion of their income on extra security as well as frantically deleting their LinkdIn pages and other web info'.

Their crimes have gone unpunished for time and now their f#cking around is leading to their finding out. We like to conspiratorialise (is that a word?) about everything on here, but sometimes a spade is a spade.

It’s funny because everybody is assuming this guy is on the run. Perhaps the reason he didn’t leave his gun in his backpack is because he is just getting started, and, re’ Eric Adams’s retarded comment about “him continue(ing) to believe he can hide behind the mask”, well he ain’t gonna be believing that anymore is he, Eric, cause of you and your big mouth:facepalm:. The police like to present this "you can run but you can't hide" idiom as a deterrent, and Hollywood faithfully endorses it, but the uncomfortable fact remains: there are many criminals on the loose.


I don't spend any time on X. But judging by what you've just said about the activity there, it supports what I've posted here i.e. rallying the bitter and resentful crowd and normalizing the assassination of CEO's...which - correct me if I'm wrong - you seem strangely enthusiastic about. I'm suggesting the murder and it's associated symbolism (the monopoly money, the writing on the casings) was designed to look like it was done as a political act to trigger the very predictable reactions we're seeing now from very predictable people( bitter, anti-capitalist, woke Marxist types). Something like a false flag event..

The "they" I'm referring to aren't CEO's of healthcare companies and their peers. The "they" I'm talking about are the billionaires in the shadows that seek to destabilize the west and our way of life.

[Moemers]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?" by shooting a CEO and one of their own

I know you tried to explain this on page 2 but there a billion different ways to "trigger woke, marxist types" (which is another thing I'd like you to explain lol) and im not sure you're seeing the reactions online, but no one is really upset about this, especially in the light of the AI claim denial information

so their plan is a false flag ...to ignite class solidarity so people kill more rich CEOs? why would they want to do that?

[Bill Ryan]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

[Moemers]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

hahahahahahaha ok, i edited it a little bit because i saw what i did there lol

NAFTA destabilizes the West - shooting CEOs doesnt

[Akasha]

Can someone make sense of this video report at the 48 second mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JecEw-q_1k), where it appears the camera is shooting a scene in a movie, and from the omniscient vantage following the suspect of interest on the bicycle down the street? Do surveillance cameras do this sort of thing?

This may be a sophisticated feature of surveillance these days--I don't know--but on random subjects who just so happen to be the alleged killer? Why not the garbage truck behind the man riding the bicycle or the man walking on the sidewalk?

I'm not necessarily saying there isn't an explanation; just confused.

Static footage zoomed into the action in post production? So the CCTV camera wasn't following him but the post-editing of that footage is focused on his movement. Just a guess though.

[Moemers]

Can someone make sense of this video report at the 48 second mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JecEw-q_1k), where it appears the camera is shooting a scene in a movie, and from the omniscient vantage following the suspect of interest on the bicycle down the street? Do surveillance cameras do this sort of thing?

This may be a sophisticated feature of surveillance these days--I don't know--but on random subjects who just so happen to be the alleged killer? Why not the garbage truck behind the man riding the bicycle or the man walking on the sidewalk?

I'm not necessarily saying there isn't an explanation; just confused.

Static footage zoomed into the action in post production? So the CCTV camera wasn't following him but the post-editing of that footage is focused on his movement. Just a guess though.

yeah this happens a lot. any netflix documentary will stitch cctv together and move it around for the drama and continuity

[Mike]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

Because they're largely globalists:)

[Akasha]

why and who would manufacture that?


To cause division and chaos......

Well if that was the aim, it failed miserably. Perhaps you aren’t spending much time on X etc…. but judging by the posts, memes and comments, it has overwhelmingly “caused” solidarity and focus against these mega-parasites, and rightly so.

“They” would never have wanted that. “They” are now spending a large portion of their income on extra security as well as frantically deleting their LinkdIn pages and other web info'.

Their crimes have gone unpunished for time and now their f#cking around is leading to their finding out. We like to conspiratorialise (is that a word?) about everything on here, but sometimes a spade is a spade.

It’s funny because everybody is assuming this guy is on the run. Perhaps the reason he didn’t leave his gun in his backpack is because he is just getting started, and, re’ Eric Adams’s retarded comment about “him continue(ing) to believe he can hide behind the mask”, well he ain’t gonna be believing that anymore is he, Eric, cause of you and your big mouth:facepalm:. The police like to present this "you can run but you can't hide" idiom as a deterrent, and Hollywood faithfully endorses it, but the uncomfortable fact remains: there are many criminals on the loose.


I don't spend any time on X. But judging by what you've just said about the activity there, it supports what I've posted here i.e. rallying the bitter and resentful crowd and normalizing the assassination of CEO's...which - correct me if I'm wrong - you seem strangely enthusiastic about. I'm suggesting the murder and it's associated symbolism (the monopoly money, the writing on the casings) was designed to look like it was done as a political act to trigger the very predictable reactions we're seeing now from very predictable people( bitter, anti-capitalist, woke Marxist types). Something like a false flag event..

The "they" I'm referring to aren't CEO's of healthcare companies and their peers. The "they" I'm talking about are the billionaires in the shadows that seek to destabilize the west and our way of life.

Yes Mike, you are wrong about my enthusiasm over his murder. I am simply pointing out that if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes, regardless of who owns the game "in the shadows".

Thompson and his ilk are playing stupid, and as we have now witnessed, very dangerous games. Perhaps this will encourage them to play with people's lives more sensibly. After all, when it is clear justice won't be served in the courts, it is only a matter of time before it is served in the streets.

But of course it remains entirely possible that this is all contrived and, in fact, a Sörös-funded crackhead was responsible.

[Moemers]

I'm just not convinced. Name a time when some "Soros Funded Asssassin" was allowed to get away? Don't they always just take them out?

[Akasha]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

Because they're largely globalists:)

So are the CEOs and board members.

[Mike]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?" by shooting a CEO and one of their own

I know you tried to explain this on page 2 but there a billion different ways to "trigger woke, marxist types" (which is another thing I'd like you to explain lol) and im not sure you're seeing the reactions online, but no one is really upset about this, especially in the light of the AI claim denial information

so their plan is a false flag ...to ignite class solidarity so people kill more rich CEOs? why would they want to do that?

Billionaires have been seeking to destroy the west and our way of life for the last 2 decades. Who do you think has been funding the Marxist, woke radicals? The DEI initiatives? The Critical Race Theory contagion? The billionaires have funded it. George Soros happens to be one, but he's just a cog in a much larger machine that includes entities like BlackRock, The Vanguard group, or any other investment firms that insist on the ESG charade.

They're globalists. They're still going to be billionaires if and when the west crumbles. The whole point is to consolidate their power. These guys don't care if a CEO has to die to further their agenda.

There are a billion ways to trigger woke Marxists, yes, but what more dramatic way than assassinating a CEO - the very symbol of their "oppression" - in broad daylight? And yes, there are a group of lunatics on X who are unbothered and even giddy over the murder, and I'm speculating that this was the point of the assassination - to rally that group and cause division between percieved haves and have nots.

[Mike]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

Because they're largely globalists:)

So are the CEOs and board members.

Not necessarily.

Billionaires are completely different animals than millionaires..and hierarchically occupy an entirely different space in the grand scheme of things.

Brian Thompson made a little over $10 million a year. That's small beer compared to the people I'm talking about.

I know a couple millionaires. They're not uncommon, and most are not globalists. The same cannot be said of billionaires.

[Moemers]

perceived haves and have nots?

sorry bud, theres no perception here. the wealth disparity is the largest it's ever been. I see an Ancient Aliens kind of argument here - humans weren't smart/capable/advanced enough to build the pyramids, so it had to be the aliens. People aren't upset enough with 1/3 of UHC claims being denied by an AI with a 90% error rate to do this themselves - nope, had to be the billionaires egging them on.

name another time a "Sorors Funded Assassination" ended with the person getting away, leaving all sorts of cheeky little symbols behind? that's not ever how it works dude.

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[Akasha]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

Because they're largely globalists:)

So are the CEOs and board members.

Not necessarily.

Billionaires are completely different animals than millionaires..and hierarchically occupy an entirely different space in the grand scheme of things.

Brian Thompson made a little over $10 million a year. That's small beer compared to the people I'm talking about.

I know a couple millionaires. They're not uncommon, and most are not globalists. The same cannot be said of billionaires.

Mike, we are in danger of going down a rabbit hole here because, as we both know, there are millionaires and there are are millionaires.

There are the corporate Brian Thompson millionaires of this world, making billions of dollars of profit for their shareholders (Blackrock et al), which begs the question, why kill (by proxy) someone who is making you piles of wonga?.....and there are the self-made millionaires with their own successful businesses.

I'd be the first to accept that the latter may well be anti-globalist and I suspect your couple of rich acquaintances fall into that category.

But, and it is a big but, we are talking about the first category aren't we?

Brian Thompson and the board of United Health were doing a pretty good job of destabilising the Western way of life, wouldn't you say?

[SilentFeathers]

Many are not talking about Thompson being investigated by the corrupt DOJ for insider trader and fraud.

He likely pissed some people off for the DOJ to be putting their boot on his neck. Perhaps he knew secret things that made some deep state power brokers nervous?

The current narrative wants every one to look at disgruntled employees or angry insurance policy recipients who were ripped off, when perhaps we should be looking in another direction.

[Moemers]

Many are not talking about Thompson being investigated by the corrupt DOJ for insider trader and fraud.

He likely pissed some people off for the DOJ to be putting their boot on his neck. Perhaps he knew secret things that made some deep state power brokers nervous?

The current narrative wants every one to look at disgruntled employees or angry insurance policy recipients who were ripped off, when perhaps we should be looking in another direction.

agreed, but again, we see a pattern with certain shooters, especially the ones we're talking about.

this shooter matches 0% of those patterns so far. No self-inflicted gunshot wound, no immediate availability of LEO to gun him down without a second thought and cremate the body with no toxicology, no crazed spraying with a big rifle, no manifesto aside from three words on shells. if you've seen the video you'll see something 180 degrees from the usual. This dude is not whacked and crazy eyed. They ALWAYS have the suspect at or near the scene and they have absolutely nothing on this guy.

If you can show me similarities that I'm overlooking or dismissing to fill a marxist woke agenda, please point them out.

[Mike]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

Because they're largely globalists:)

So are the CEOs and board members.

Not necessarily.

Billionaires are completely different animals than millionaires..and hierarchically occupy an entirely different space in the grand scheme of things.

Brian Thompson made a little over $10 million a year. That's small beer compared to the people I'm talking about.

I know a couple millionaires. They're not uncommon, and most are not globalists. The same cannot be said of billionaires.

Mike, we are in danger of going down a rabbit hole here because, as we both know, there are millionaires and there are are millionaires.

There are the corporate Brian Thompson millionaires of this world, making billions of dollars of profit for their shareholders (Blackrock et al), which begs the question, why kill (by proxy) someone who is making you piles of wonga?.....and there are the self-made millionaires with their own successful businesses.

I'd be the first to accept that the latter may well be anti-globalist and I suspect your couple of rich acquaintances fall into that category.

But, and it is a big but, we are talking about the first category aren't we?

Brian Thompson and the board of United Health were doing a pretty good job of destabilising the Western way of life, wouldn't you say?


I don't think we know enough about Brian Thompson to say much of anything about him at the moment. He might have been a warm and wonderful man. We know he was a family man. He was obviously an educated and intelligent man, and likely worked very hard to achieve his position of CEO. It's not obvious to me at all that the online reaction has anything to do with the plight of the downtrodden/dispossessed; to me it reeks of envy, bitterness, and resentment towards a man who has been stripped of his humanity, even in death, and merely exists as a symbol of everything they were unwilling or unable to achieve and acquire.

I don't expect you'll overtly endorse the assassination, but attitudinally you appear quite okay with this atrocity. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I haven't read closely enough, and maybe I've missed the part where you expressed sympathy for his wife and kids. But I haven't seen it.

As far as the billionaire controllers of this world are concerned, he's easily replaceable. I don't think they'd even blink before green lighting a murder like this if they felt it was necessary.

[Strat]

Honestly I don't think about it much but I'll tell you my opinion. First, regarding the murder, it's a shame. Shooting a man in the back is a bitch move. On top of that he's a father so now two kids don't see dad ever again. Holidays and his birthdays will be painful reminders for his wife and kids. On top of it if they check the internet they'll see all these cookie cutter, cold hearted, loser, repeater, drooling at the mouth jerks on the internet making jokes about it. Wonderful people. $20 says most of these jokes will be coming from the tolerant left, the same folks who made the same jokes about Trumps failed assassination attempts.

When it comes to social media it's not a surprise. I don't use social media and this is one of the reasons, it gives losers loud voices. I did have a reddit account a few years ago but I stopped going there because it's full of losers. Literally. It has incels in it. For those who don't know, 'incels' are people who are 'involuntarily celibate.' They're obsessed with sex and they can't get laid. They know they're losers and they admit it. As a result of this they have a weird way of fighting back against society and berating beautiful women.

Reddit is also pretty far left. Don't take my word this, check for yourselves. Just about every page has an LGBT flag as a top banner, even topics that have nothing to do with sexuality. Reddit sees everything through the political lens. It's tiring. You can't frequent places such as this, it's a bad influence. It doesn't matter who you are, it'll eventually rub off on you, hence why I left.

So when you bring up Reddit deifying this person I'm not surprised. That's the type of people they are.

In this world there is the 1 true grand scheme of everything. I try hard to stay in tune with this. Most people don't, especially those deep in the trenches of social media. The world loves people like Jack Doherty and Kim Kardashian, or that Hawk Tuah girl (she became popular solely because she bragged/joked about giving oral sex). Only Fans girls (and guys) get tons of money to take their close off. I live in the real world, they live in the human constructed world of slavery to ones senses. Some think it's slavery to money but that's not accurate, it's the senses. They rent happiness with cash, but don't get it twisted, they're addicted or just straight up slaves.

So they make jokes about that guy getting shot and killed. They get upvotes and that e-popularity makes them feel good. **** that dude and his kids right? In this world people will 'other' people at the drop of the hat. I think it's somewhat natural, I probably do it myself sometimes but I try not to. This kinda brings me full circle of why I don't wanna be involved with social media, reddit, all that. I don't wanna be like those out of touch, cold hearted people.



Re’ incels, there but for the grace of god….

From the way you reference them I’m assuming you’re not, so for the sake of argument let’s imagine your love dies through lack of healthcare she paid for because of new corporate protocols implemented by someone like Brian Thompson……

It’s easy to deride, Strat, but as I said before, there but for the grace of god…..

1 You obviously aren't aware of my personal struggles with this which I've lamented about over years here on avalon and 2 I've never thought, nor would I ever think to murder someone over this. It takes a cold hearted son of a bitch to shoot a man in the back. You shouldn't let anger rule your soul, it's hard but it's extremely important to take charge over your emotions. Don't let them rule you, don't be a slave to your senses. So when you say what if it happened to me, please. Save it. This isn't new to me.

Easy to deride? Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

[SilentFeathers]

Many are not talking about Thompson being investigated by the corrupt DOJ for insider trader and fraud.

He likely pissed some people off for the DOJ to be putting their boot on his neck. Perhaps he knew secret things that made some deep state power brokers nervous?

The current narrative wants every one to look at disgruntled employees or angry insurance policy recipients who were ripped off, when perhaps we should be looking in another direction.

agreed, but again, we see a pattern with certain shooters, especially the ones we're talking about.

this shooter matches 0% of those patterns so far. No self-inflicted gunshot wound, no immediate availability of LEO to gun him down without a second thought and cremate the body with no toxicology, no crazed spraying with a big rifle, no manifesto aside from three words on shells. if you've seen the video you'll see something 180 degrees from the usual. This dude is not whacked and crazy eyed. They ALWAYS have the suspect at or near the scene and they have absolutely nothing on this guy.

If you can show me similarities that I'm overlooking or dismissing to fill a marxist woke agenda, please point them out.

Personally I never even thought to compare this shooter to other recent shooters, as I also see this not being in the regular pattern so to speak.

This shooting seems to have nothing to do with political, racial, or crazed marxist woke stuff in my opinion.

It seems either personal, murder for hire, or another type of odd motive. I do think it's quite different to what we've been "normally" seeing. Time will tell.

[Moemers]

are you the VP of United healthcare or something? I'm going to refrain from calling you a bootlicker because we don't actually know the reason for this execution and I'm not entirely sure that you've read the extent of UHC's AI denial rate, and what that caused and what that ended up meaning for people who are FORCED BY LAW UNDER PENALTY OF TAXATION to hold health insurance and then have 1/3 of their claims denied by an Artificial Intelligence with a 90% error rate. If you can't see anything reflecting the plight of the downtrodden/dispossessed in that, then I question your total reading of the situation and my estimation of boot-licking ticks up a couple percentage points.

many of them might have been warm and wonderful people who likely worked hard and yet probably died and I bet none of them had the dignity of being shot from the front either.

[Mike]

are you the VP of United healthcare or something? I'm going to refrain from calling you a bootlicker because we don't actually know the reason for this execution and I'm not entirely sure that you've read the extent of UHC's AI denial rate, and what that caused and what that ended up meaning for people who are FORCED BY LAW UNDER PENALTY OF TAXATION to hold health insurance and then have 1/3 of their claims denied by an Artificial Intelligence with a 90% error rate. If you can't see anything reflecting the plight of the downtrodden/dispossessed in that, then I question your total reading of the situation and my estimation of boot-licking ticks up a couple percentage points.

many of them might have been warm and wonderful people who likely worked hard and yet probably died and I bet none of them had the dignity of being shot from the front either.


Kind of you. In the spirit of reciprocation I'll refrain from calling you an a$$hole.

What I was saying re downtrodden and dispossessed was this: It's not obvious to me that the X crowd and online crowd in general are arguing for them. They're a mob, spewing some truth but also alot of nonsense. When I see an angry mob aiming their anger up at a rich guy, I don't automatically assume their best intentions. It's naive to do that.

Of course I know that health insurance companies are first and foremost concerned with themselves, and this often involves screwing people over. But a health insurance company wasn't executed in cold blood on the street, one man was. Thompson was the CEO, yes, but still just one cog in a much larger machine. Regardless of his hypothetical misdeeds, he didn't deserve to get executed. What he is or isn't individually responsible for is nearly impossible to say at this point, yet yourself and a significant crowd of online talking heads seem quite content with playing judge/jury and executioner. I find it disturbing.

[Mike]

Many are not talking about Thompson being investigated by the corrupt DOJ for insider trader and fraud.

He likely pissed some people off for the DOJ to be putting their boot on his neck. Perhaps he knew secret things that made some deep state power brokers nervous?

The current narrative wants every one to look at disgruntled employees or angry insurance policy recipients who were ripped off, when perhaps we should be looking in another direction.

agreed, but again, we see a pattern with certain shooters, especially the ones we're talking about.

this shooter matches 0% of those patterns so far. No self-inflicted gunshot wound, no immediate availability of LEO to gun him down without a second thought and cremate the body with no toxicology, no crazed spraying with a big rifle, no manifesto aside from three words on shells. if you've seen the video you'll see something 180 degrees from the usual. This dude is not whacked and crazy eyed. They ALWAYS have the suspect at or near the scene and they have absolutely nothing on this guy.

If you can show me similarities that I'm overlooking or dismissing to fill a marxist woke agenda, please point them out.

Personally I never even thought to compare this shooter to other recent shooters, as I also see this not being in the regular pattern so to speak.

This shooting seems to have nothing to do with political, racial, or crazed marxist woke stuff in my opinion.

It seems either personal, murder for hire, or another type of odd motive. I do think it's quite different to what we've been "normally" seeing. Time will tell.


And you may be totally correct. I hope you are! I'd like to be wrong here.

I'm speculating here of course. If it was just the words scribbled on the casings, I'd be more inclined to say it was a personal issue. But when I heard about the Monopoly money, it seemed to veer into some kind of political statement about the evils of capitalism and so forth. How else to interpret that one?

But that statement feels, to me, kind of phony and contrived..thus my working theory (subject to change:)) that this is somehow a staged event meant to cause even more class division...which is a calling card of woke Marxist types.

[SilentFeathers]

Many are not talking about Thompson being investigated by the corrupt DOJ for insider trader and fraud.

He likely pissed some people off for the DOJ to be putting their boot on his neck. Perhaps he knew secret things that made some deep state power brokers nervous?

The current narrative wants every one to look at disgruntled employees or angry insurance policy recipients who were ripped off, when perhaps we should be looking in another direction.

agreed, but again, we see a pattern with certain shooters, especially the ones we're talking about.

this shooter matches 0% of those patterns so far. No self-inflicted gunshot wound, no immediate availability of LEO to gun him down without a second thought and cremate the body with no toxicology, no crazed spraying with a big rifle, no manifesto aside from three words on shells. if you've seen the video you'll see something 180 degrees from the usual. This dude is not whacked and crazy eyed. They ALWAYS have the suspect at or near the scene and they have absolutely nothing on this guy.

If you can show me similarities that I'm overlooking or dismissing to fill a marxist woke agenda, please point them out.

Personally I never even thought to compare this shooter to other recent shooters, as I also see this not being in the regular pattern so to speak.

This shooting seems to have nothing to do with political, racial, or crazed marxist woke stuff in my opinion.

It seems either personal, murder for hire, or another type of odd motive. I do think it's quite different to what we've been "normally" seeing. Time will tell.


And you may be totally correct. I hope you are! I'd like to be wrong here.

I'm speculating here of course. If it was just the words scribbled on the casings, I'd be more inclined to say it was a personal issue. But when I heard about the Monopoly money, it seemed to veer into some kind of political statement about the evils of capitalism and so forth. How else to interpret that one?

But that statement feels, to me, kind of phony and contrived..thus my working theory (subject to change:)) that this is somehow a staged event meant to cause even more class division...which is a calling card of woke Marxist types.

I didn't hear about the Monopoly money twist in this event, it just keeps getting more twisted! I wonder if it's even true or just a spun chunk of confusion thrown into the mix.

This does make it sound more like a political statement.

[Moemers]

he's a symbol, man. no one goes after Tom Brady because he's Tom Brady - they go after him because he's the Quarterback.

[rgray222]

The public execution of an innocent man and father of two is indefensible, not 'inevitable.
Condoning and cheering this murder on says more about you than the situation of health insurance
Condoning murder for any reason begins to erode acceptable human norms and desensitized society to violence.
Condoning murder for any reason is the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences.
There is a strong intentional effort to drain society of compassion and empathy, and at the same make violent behavior more acceptable. This is not an American problem it is a global problem. The prevailing wisdom of those in power is that problems of this magnitude require global solutions. So many people around the world can't move beyond their emotions to understand what is happening.

[Akasha]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

Because they're largely globalists:)

So are the CEOs and board members.

Not necessarily.

Billionaires are completely different animals than millionaires..and hierarchically occupy an entirely different space in the grand scheme of things.

Brian Thompson made a little over $10 million a year. That's small beer compared to the people I'm talking about.

I know a couple millionaires. They're not uncommon, and most are not globalists. The same cannot be said of billionaires.

Mike, we are in danger of going down a rabbit hole here because, as we both know, there are millionaires and there are are millionaires.

There are the corporate Brian Thompson millionaires of this world, making billions of dollars of profit for their shareholders (Blackrock et al), which begs the question, why kill (by proxy) someone who is making you piles of wonga?.....and there are the self-made millionaires with their own successful businesses.

I'd be the first to accept that the latter may well be anti-globalist and I suspect your couple of rich acquaintances fall into that category.

But, and it is a big but, we are talking about the first category aren't we?

Brian Thompson and the board of United Health were doing a pretty good job of destabilising the Western way of life, wouldn't you say?


I don't think we know enough about Brian Thompson to say much of anything about him at the moment. He might have been a warm and wonderful man. We know he was a family man. He was obviously an educated and intelligent man, and likely worked very hard to achieve his position of CEO. It's not obvious to me at all that the online reaction has anything to do with the plight of the downtrodden/dispossessed; to me it reeks of envy, bitterness, and resentment towards a man who has been stripped of his humanity, even in death, and merely exists as a symbol of everything they were unwilling or unable to achieve and acquire.

I don't expect you'll overtly endorse the assassination, but attitudinally you appear quite okay with this atrocity. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I haven't read closely enough, and maybe I've missed the part where you expressed sympathy for his wife and kids. But I haven't seen it.

As far as the billionaire controllers of this world are concerned, he's easily replaceable. I don't think they'd even blink before green lighting a murder like this if they felt it was necessary.

You missed the part where I expressed sympathy for his wife and kids because they will be better off without him. He was a monster, responsible for implementing policy which led to countless death. Which part of that isn't sinking in, Mike?

[Akasha]

The public execution of an innocent man and father of two is indefensible, not 'inevitable.
Condoning and cheering this murder on says more about you than the situation of health insurance
Condoning murder for any reason begins to erode acceptable human norms and desensitized society to violence.
Condoning murder for any reason is the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences.
There is a strong intentional effort to drain society of compassion and empathy, and at the same make violent behavior more acceptable. This is not an American problem it is a global problem. The prevailing wisdom of those in power is that problems of this magnitude require global solutions. So many people around the world can't move beyond their emotions to understand what is happening.


The innocent man label is a bit of a stretch isn't it?

Given the consequences of United's policy with him at the helm, many more have died than at the hands of your average death-rower.

I suspect this isn't so much "the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences" as it was a last resort for somebody.

But yeah, as I said, before, not knowing the full story, there but for the grace of god go I.

[Mike]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

Because they're largely globalists:)

So are the CEOs and board members.

Not necessarily.

Billionaires are completely different animals than millionaires..and hierarchically occupy an entirely different space in the grand scheme of things.

Brian Thompson made a little over $10 million a year. That's small beer compared to the people I'm talking about.

I know a couple millionaires. They're not uncommon, and most are not globalists. The same cannot be said of billionaires.

Mike, we are in danger of going down a rabbit hole here because, as we both know, there are millionaires and there are are millionaires.

There are the corporate Brian Thompson millionaires of this world, making billions of dollars of profit for their shareholders (Blackrock et al), which begs the question, why kill (by proxy) someone who is making you piles of wonga?.....and there are the self-made millionaires with their own successful businesses.

I'd be the first to accept that the latter may well be anti-globalist and I suspect your couple of rich acquaintances fall into that category.

But, and it is a big but, we are talking about the first category aren't we?

Brian Thompson and the board of United Health were doing a pretty good job of destabilising the Western way of life, wouldn't you say?


I don't think we know enough about Brian Thompson to say much of anything about him at the moment. He might have been a warm and wonderful man. We know he was a family man. He was obviously an educated and intelligent man, and likely worked very hard to achieve his position of CEO. It's not obvious to me at all that the online reaction has anything to do with the plight of the downtrodden/dispossessed; to me it reeks of envy, bitterness, and resentment towards a man who has been stripped of his humanity, even in death, and merely exists as a symbol of everything they were unwilling or unable to achieve and acquire.

I don't expect you'll overtly endorse the assassination, but attitudinally you appear quite okay with this atrocity. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I haven't read closely enough, and maybe I've missed the part where you expressed sympathy for his wife and kids. But I haven't seen it.

As far as the billionaire controllers of this world are concerned, he's easily replaceable. I don't think they'd even blink before green lighting a murder like this if they felt it was necessary.

You missed the part where I expressed sympathy for his wife and kids because they will be better off without him. He was a monster, responsible for implementing policy which led to countless death. Which part of that isn't sinking in, Mike?


Sorry! Fully sunk in now. I made the mistake of assuming you were sane. It won't happen again.

[rgray222]

The public execution of an innocent man and father of two is indefensible, not 'inevitable.
Condoning and cheering this murder on says more about you than the situation of health insurance
Condoning murder for any reason begins to erode acceptable human norms and desensitized society to violence.
Condoning murder for any reason is the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences.
There is a strong intentional effort to drain society of compassion and empathy, and at the same make violent behavior more acceptable. This is not an American problem it is a global problem. The prevailing wisdom of those in power is that problems of this magnitude require global solutions. So many people around the world can't move beyond their emotions to understand what is happening.


The innocent man label is a bit of a stretch isn't it?

Given the consequences of United's policy with him at the helm, many more have died than at the hands of your average death-rower.

I suspect this isn't so much "the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences" as it was a last resort for somebody.

But yeah, as I said, before, not knowing the full story, there but for the grace of god go I.

When I read your post this is what travels through my mind.


I don't have the full story but I am going to assign him guilt by virtue of his job. He is responsible for denying claims and killing people. Based on that I feel no remorse and I do not feel any empathy for him or his family.

How far are you and many others willing to take this unhinged emotional way of thinking?

Should Biden meet the same fate for opening the border where 17 people die each week attempting to cross?

Should Fauci be murdered for the thousands of deaths that he caused during the pandemic?

When a stressed unemployed, widowed mother of four is at the grocery store and realizes she does not have enough to pay due to inflation does this give her the right to murder the grocer because this store was her "last resort."

Your posts tell me that you have already started to desensitize yourselves to violence when you assign enough guilt to an individual.

[T Smith]

The public execution of an innocent man and father of two is indefensible, not 'inevitable.
Condoning and cheering this murder on says more about you than the situation of health insurance
Condoning murder for any reason begins to erode acceptable human norms and desensitized society to violence.
Condoning murder for any reason is the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences.
There is a strong intentional effort to drain society of compassion and empathy, and at the same make violent behavior more acceptable. This is not an American problem it is a global problem. The prevailing wisdom of those in power is that problems of this magnitude require global solutions. So many people around the world can't move beyond their emotions to understand what is happening.


The innocent man label is a bit of a stretch isn't it?

Given the consequences of United's policy with him at the helm, many more have died than at the hands of your average death-rower.

I suspect this isn't so much "the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences" as it was a last resort for somebody.

But yeah, as I said, before, not knowing the full story, there but for the grace of god go I.

If you're cheering on the execution of Brian Thompson, you're going after the low fruit and calling it a score. Call it the lazy man's justice.

Nobody is saying Brian Thompson was a boy scout; he's just NOT the subject of a bullet. IMO. Nor should he be.

Brian Thompson has nothing to do with the injustices that would drive a vigilante to murder.

I'm all for justice. But you gotta dig deeper than going after the family man with two kids who scored 1495 on his SAT and worked his way to the top to feed his family to run a (very corrupted) company...

If you want real justice, look deeper.

[Inversion]

The CEO of United Health Group Andrew Witty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Witty) speaks to employees about the death. At 0:52 he said, "Brian endlessly put patients interests first." He should have said shareholders first.

Parent organizations of United Health Care is United HealthCare Service LLC & PacifiCare Health Systems.

12/06/24 (2:08)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcDTFcpifU

[Moemers]

the pearl clutching going on here is pretty interesting...

to be fair, I never said he should be murdered. I don't think anyone should be murdered. But people often are, and sometimes it's just not that tragic. Sometimes you can understand what drove someone to kill someone else.

should someone kill Fauci and Biden and Trump etc etc? No. They shouldn't. Would you understand if someone did though?

[Akasha]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

Because they're largely globalists:)

So are the CEOs and board members.

Not necessarily.

Billionaires are completely different animals than millionaires..and hierarchically occupy an entirely different space in the grand scheme of things.

Brian Thompson made a little over $10 million a year. That's small beer compared to the people I'm talking about.

I know a couple millionaires. They're not uncommon, and most are not globalists. The same cannot be said of billionaires.

Mike, we are in danger of going down a rabbit hole here because, as we both know, there are millionaires and there are are millionaires.

There are the corporate Brian Thompson millionaires of this world, making billions of dollars of profit for their shareholders (Blackrock et al), which begs the question, why kill (by proxy) someone who is making you piles of wonga?.....and there are the self-made millionaires with their own successful businesses.

I'd be the first to accept that the latter may well be anti-globalist and I suspect your couple of rich acquaintances fall into that category.

But, and it is a big but, we are talking about the first category aren't we?

Brian Thompson and the board of United Health were doing a pretty good job of destabilising the Western way of life, wouldn't you say?


I don't think we know enough about Brian Thompson to say much of anything about him at the moment. He might have been a warm and wonderful man. We know he was a family man. He was obviously an educated and intelligent man, and likely worked very hard to achieve his position of CEO. It's not obvious to me at all that the online reaction has anything to do with the plight of the downtrodden/dispossessed; to me it reeks of envy, bitterness, and resentment towards a man who has been stripped of his humanity, even in death, and merely exists as a symbol of everything they were unwilling or unable to achieve and acquire.

I don't expect you'll overtly endorse the assassination, but attitudinally you appear quite okay with this atrocity. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I haven't read closely enough, and maybe I've missed the part where you expressed sympathy for his wife and kids. But I haven't seen it.

As far as the billionaire controllers of this world are concerned, he's easily replaceable. I don't think they'd even blink before green lighting a murder like this if they felt it was necessary.

You missed the part where I expressed sympathy for his wife and kids because they will be better off without him. He was a monster, responsible for implementing policy which led to countless death. Which part of that isn't sinking in, Mike?


Sorry! Fully sunk in now. I made the mistake of assuming you were sane. It won't happen again.


Cue the ad-homs. Q.E.D.

[Akasha]

The public execution of an innocent man and father of two is indefensible, not 'inevitable.
Condoning and cheering this murder on says more about you than the situation of health insurance
Condoning murder for any reason begins to erode acceptable human norms and desensitized society to violence.
Condoning murder for any reason is the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences.
There is a strong intentional effort to drain society of compassion and empathy, and at the same make violent behavior more acceptable. This is not an American problem it is a global problem. The prevailing wisdom of those in power is that problems of this magnitude require global solutions. So many people around the world can't move beyond their emotions to understand what is happening.


The innocent man label is a bit of a stretch isn't it?

Given the consequences of United's policy with him at the helm, many more have died than at the hands of your average death-rower.

I suspect this isn't so much "the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences" as it was a last resort for somebody.

But yeah, as I said, before, not knowing the full story, there but for the grace of god go I.

If you're cheering on the execution of Brian Thompson, you're going after the low fruit and calling it a score. Call it the lazy man's justice.

Nobody is saying Brian Thompson was a boy scout; he's just NOT the subject of a bullet. IMO. Nor should he be.

Brian Thompson has NOTHING to do with the injustices that would drive a vigilante to murder. I promise.

I'm all for justice. But you gotta dig deeper than going after the family man with two kids who scored 1495 on his SAT and worked his way to the top to feed his family to run a (very corrupted) company...

If you want real justice, look deeper.

Re-read the posts. Many are saying he was a "boy scout" including you given your S.A.T comment.

[Akasha]

For all those who think I'm crazy, perhaps watch or rewatch (if you've forgotten) Mark Passio's following seminar.

If, after that, you think he is crazy too, fair enough.


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[Nasu]

I find this whole thing fascinating, especially the reaction. Like many have said, killing anyone isn't the answer, after all he was a father and a son, irrespective of his chosen career. That being said, there is zero sympathy online for this fellow. The internet sleuths are not interested in helping at all. Now the police have raised the reward to fifty grand, suggesting they might not be as close to getting him as they say they are. The reaction for me is the most interesting part of all this story, for example, healthcare companies have scrubbed their websites of bios about board members and c level individuals. The comments section to any post about this is savage. Here's a few examples:

Why would anyone try to find the killer of a mass murderer?

And less that 2 days later, Anthem reversed their decision to limit payments on anesthesia. So why would anyone help find the sh**ter?

His new name is The Adjuster.

And why is the FBI involved? It's not federal, not interstate, not serial, not kidnapping, does not involve a federal official. The ONLY thing that makes this "more significant" than the other hundreds of deletions in NYC is the wealth of the victim.

I would just like say that we, the people, have reviewed the tape and did a thorough investigation. After countless few seconds we concluded that our citizen did nothing wrong and therefore we will be closing the investigation. We know you all will be satisfied with the decision and we collectively agree that it’s time we move on. Thank you for coming out. I will be taking no questions

Media: "Why are you not helping?" Sleuths: "Sorry, our policy doesn't cover preexisting conditions like being a CEO of a health insurance company. Nothing we can do.”

If he ever gets arrested and put in prison he will be treated like a king.

Anyone else's sympathy been buffering for like days? I can't get mine to work.

Dude took a greyhound, he's been through enough.

Remember remember the 4th of December

It was a “mostly peaceful protest”

Hello United Health Care, and thank you for calling. Your call is very important to us, and a concerned citizen will be with you shortly. Please dial 9 to return to the main menu. Dial 1 for an alphabetical list of concerned citizens, or enter the extension of the concerned citizen you are seeking now if you know it. Dial 7 to dial 4. Dial 8 to hear a recording of the collective laughter of all the non-concerned citizens because if we see this man?

they are calling him Robin Hoodie, we're living in an episode of Mr. Robot

This is the one case the true crime girlies won't try to solve.

Not all heroes wear capes. Some ride bikes.

[T Smith]

The public execution of an innocent man and father of two is indefensible, not 'inevitable.
Condoning and cheering this murder on says more about you than the situation of health insurance
Condoning murder for any reason begins to erode acceptable human norms and desensitized society to violence.
Condoning murder for any reason is the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences.
There is a strong intentional effort to drain society of compassion and empathy, and at the same make violent behavior more acceptable. This is not an American problem it is a global problem. The prevailing wisdom of those in power is that problems of this magnitude require global solutions. So many people around the world can't move beyond their emotions to understand what is happening.


The innocent man label is a bit of a stretch isn't it?

Given the consequences of United's policy with him at the helm, many more have died than at the hands of your average death-rower.

I suspect this isn't so much "the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences" as it was a last resort for somebody.

But yeah, as I said, before, not knowing the full story, there but for the grace of god go I.

If you're cheering on the execution of Brian Thompson, you're going after the low fruit and calling it a score. Call it the lazy man's justice.

Nobody is saying Brian Thompson was a boy scout; he's just NOT the subject of a bullet. IMO. Nor should he be.

Brian Thompson has NOTHING to do with the injustices that would drive a vigilante to murder. I promise.

I'm all for justice. But you gotta dig deeper than going after the family man with two kids who scored 1495 on his SAT and worked his way to the top to feed his family to run a (very corrupted) company...

If you want real justice, look deeper.

Re-read the posts. Many are saying he was a "boy scout" including you given your S.A.T comment.

Everyone who takes an SAT is a boy scout? I have no idea who Brian Thompson is. I assume it takes a certain type of person without a conflict of conscience to manage the interests of shareholders. And to speak to Moemers' point about motive, I do understand the how and why of it. I'm just pointing out in my posts that a rage-driven murderous motive that requires a face to an abstract injustice is often misdirected.

What we're discussing here is the human condition and as old as time. Let's have Shakespeare weigh in:

"...The first thing we should do, is kill all the lawyers!"

[Akasha]

I find this whole thing fascinating, especially the reaction. Like many have said, killing anyone isn't the answer, after all he was a father and a son, irrespective of his chosen career. That being said, there is zero sympathy online for this fellow. The internet sleuths are not interested in helping at all. Now the police have raised the reward to fifty grand, suggesting they might not be as close to getting him as they say they are. The reaction for me is the most interesting part of all this story, for example, healthcare companies have scrubbed their websites of bios about board members and c level individuals. The comments section to any post about this is savage. Here's a few examples:

Why would anyone try to find the killer of a mass murderer?

And less that 2 days later, Anthem reversed their decision to limit payments on anesthesia. So why would anyone help find the sh**ter?

His new name is The Adjuster.

And why is the FBI involved? It's not federal, not interstate, not serial, not kidnapping, does not involve a federal official. The ONLY thing that makes this "more significant" than the other hundreds of deletions in NYC is the wealth of the victim.

I would just like say that we, the people, have reviewed the tape and did a thorough investigation. After countless few seconds we concluded that our citizen did nothing wrong and therefore we will be closing the investigation. We know you all will be satisfied with the decision and we collectively agree that it’s time we move on. Thank you for coming out. I will be taking no questions

Media: "Why are you not helping?" Sleuths: "Sorry, our policy doesn't cover preexisting conditions like being a CEO of a health insurance company. Nothing we can do.”

If he ever gets arrested and put in prison he will be treated like a king.

Anyone else's sympathy been buffering for like days? I can't get mine to work.

Dude took a greyhound, he's been through enough.

Remember remember the 4th of December

It was a “mostly peaceful protest”

Hello United Health Care, and thank you for calling. Your call is very important to us, and a concerned citizen will be with you shortly. Please dial 9 to return to the main menu. Dial 1 for an alphabetical list of concerned citizens, or enter the extension of the concerned citizen you are seeking now if you know it. Dial 7 to dial 4. Dial 8 to hear a recording of the collective laughter of all the non-concerned citizens because if we see this man?

they are calling him Robin Hoodie, we're living in an episode of Mr. Robot

This is the one case the true crime girlies won't try to solve.

Not all heroes wear capes. Some ride bikes.

Would I be correct in assuming these comments were from X, rather than Reddit by any chance?

[Moemers]

I find this whole thing fascinating, especially the reaction. Like many have said, killing anyone isn't the answer, after all he was a father and a son, irrespective of his chosen career. That being said, there is zero sympathy online for this fellow. The internet sleuths are not interested in helping at all. Now the police have raised the reward to fifty grand, suggesting they might not be as close to getting him as they say they are. The reaction for me is the most interesting part of all this story, for example, healthcare companies have scrubbed their websites of bios about board members and c level individuals. The comments section to any post about this is savage. Here's a few examples....

I'd also like to say that the reaction is what's keeping me hovering around this story. Scrubbing websites of upper level management is certainly not what happened when DJT was shot (he's a CEO too if you'll remember).

Does anyone have anymore esoteric news updates on this? or are we gonna keep doing what They want us doing and going after each other...

[rgray222]

I say this somewhat tongue in cheek........the assassin was either heavily invested or an owner of a security company because this was one of the inevitable outcomes of his action. The change people want will never come from murder the change can only be made through the actions of Congress or the Executive branch. If this was truly about denial of a claim then it is a misguided effort to force change. It may have temporarily elevated the discussion but it will not result in change. This story will be forgotten in time.

Top security firm inundated with calls after execution of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson — as CEOs fear for their lives

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This undated photo provided by UnitedHealth Group shows UnitedHealthcare chief executive officer Brian Thompson. (AP Photo/UnitedHealth Group)

A private security firm used by several Fortune 500 companies says its phones were “ringing off the hook” with potential clients following the execution of UnitedHealth Group CEO Brian Thompson in Manhattan — as top business leaders fear for their lives.

Allied Universal, which provides private security services to 80% of Fortune 500 companies, was flooded with frantic inquiries after the shocking Midtown assassination on Wednesday, Glen Kucera, who runs Allied’s enhanced protection services, told the New York Times.

Kucera said the company offers a wide range of security services, including stationing guards outside offices and chauffeuring executives — but it comes at a high cost.

A company will have to dish out about $250,000 a year to protect a chief executive full-time, he said.

The vast increase in calls to the firm comes as dozens of Fortune 1000 chiefs will descend on Manhattan to attend a summit at Midtown’s Ziegfeld on 54th Street, not far from where Thompson was gunned down by a masked gunman outside the Hilton hotel.

The murder, a suspected targeted hit, has led many health care leaders to question why Thompson was walking the streets solo the morning he was killed.

The head of a private security firm who previously provided bodyguards to Thompson was perplexed by the 50-year-old’s lack of security while walking through Manhattan.

“I assure you, that company does have an internal security team and staff,” Philip Klein, the head of Klein Investigations, told The Post Thursday.

“I know they do, they get a lot of threats from people who have been turned down, a lot of threats due to the cost of health care.”

Source and full story: https://nypost.com/2024/12/06/us-news/top-security-firm-inundated-with-calls-after-execution-of-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-as-ceos-fear-for-their-lives/

[Akasha]

The public execution of an innocent man and father of two is indefensible, not 'inevitable.
Condoning and cheering this murder on says more about you than the situation of health insurance
Condoning murder for any reason begins to erode acceptable human norms and desensitized society to violence.
Condoning murder for any reason is the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences.
There is a strong intentional effort to drain society of compassion and empathy, and at the same make violent behavior more acceptable. This is not an American problem it is a global problem. The prevailing wisdom of those in power is that problems of this magnitude require global solutions. So many people around the world can't move beyond their emotions to understand what is happening.


The innocent man label is a bit of a stretch isn't it?

Given the consequences of United's policy with him at the helm, many more have died than at the hands of your average death-rower.

I suspect this isn't so much "the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences" as it was a last resort for somebody.

But yeah, as I said, before, not knowing the full story, there but for the grace of god go I.

If you're cheering on the execution of Brian Thompson, you're going after the low fruit and calling it a score. Call it the lazy man's justice.

Nobody is saying Brian Thompson was a boy scout; he's just NOT the subject of a bullet. IMO. Nor should he be.

Brian Thompson has NOTHING to do with the injustices that would drive a vigilante to murder. I promise.

I'm all for justice. But you gotta dig deeper than going after the family man with two kids who scored 1495 on his SAT and worked his way to the top to feed his family to run a (very corrupted) company...

If you want real justice, look deeper.

Re-read the posts. Many are saying he was a "boy scout" including you given your S.A.T comment.

Everyone who takes an SAT is a boy scout? I have no idea who Brian Thompson is. I assume it takes a certain type of person without a conflict of conscience to manage the interests of shareholders. And to speak to Moemers' point about motive, I do understand the how and why of it. I'm just pointing out in my posts that a rage-driven murderous motive that requires a face to an abstract injustice is often misdirected.

What we're discussing here is the human condition and as old as time. Let's have Shakespeare weigh in:

"...The first thing we should do, is kill all the lawyers!"

Not to get too stuck in the weeds (again) T, but SAT takers are extremely synonymous with boy scouts in this context because of their typical respective ages: they are both still effectively children.

This kind of portrayal attempts, but fails, to whitewash the character of the individual concerned.

His SAT was along time ago, when he was a kid. Simply not relevant to the crimes, and they were crimes, that he and his associates have committed many, many years later.

That they haven’t been prosecuted is more a reflection on the ineffectiveness / collusion of the US legal system, and IMHO why someone may well have decided to mete out justice on a more direct and personal level, assuming it wasn’t that wiley ‘ole Sörös and his underground army of crack-shot crack-heads.

Re’ Shakespeare:


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No doubt in my mind that if Bill, god rest his soul, were still with us, this story would have become centre stage in his repertoire faster than you can say U.H.C.

[mountain_jim]

copying this response here



https://i.redd.it/5crixcnnm85e1.jpeg


https://x.com/_emergent_/status/1866035045070442633

1866035045070442633


Emergent Perspective
@_emergent_
How awful and cynical do you have to be to look at the world this way? 354K Likes.

Elon is a primary contributor to why we still have free-from-government suppression speech in this country.

Lumping him in with a Healthcare Insurance CEO in terms of contributions or damage to society is bull****, in my opinion.

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1866090704541250040

1866090704541250040

Wall Street Apes
@WallStreetApes
The death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson has some strange coincidences

- UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was in the middle of a federal lawsuit for INSIDER TRADING and fraud
- Here he is saying he works with NANCY PELOSI to get grants
- Nancy Pelosi traded on inside information right BEFORE UnitedHealthcare had a huge data leak
- Nancy Pelosi bought Palo Alto shares right BEFORE United Healthcare announced their recent security breach
- Palo Alto Networks is a cybersecurity company partnered with UnitedHealth Group to secure their systems after a cyberattack

I’m sure these are all huge coincidences

[Moemers]

copying this response here



https://i.redd.it/5crixcnnm85e1.jpeg


https://x.com/_emergent_/status/1866035045070442633

1866035045070442633


Emergent Perspective
@_emergent_
How awful and cynical do you have to be to look at the world this way? 354K Likes.

Elon is a primary contributor to why we still have free-from-government suppression speech in this country.

Lumping him in with a Healthcare Insurance CEO in terms of contributions or damage to society is bull****, in my opinion.

im not sure what you're trying to say here?

[mountain_jim]

I am saying it appeared to me that in your meme you were lumping in Elon as a CEO who should be afraid for his life, and is responding as if he is.

Like the X users here who basically saying that with their likes of this X post.

(X users who likely could not even express that opinion on twitter before Elon, unless it was a government/FBI approved-supported narrative.)

If I am misinterpreting your intent/meaning I apologize.

[Moemers]

if they didnt do anything wrong they dont have anything to be afraid of, right?

anyone got any other updates on this instead of us calling each other cynical all day lol

[mountain_jim]

I posted an update in my previous post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123928-The-Murder-of-United-Healthcare-CEO-Brian-Thompson&p=1645829&viewfull=1#post1645829)

[mountain_jim]

if they didnt do anything wrong they dont have anything to be afraid of, right?

anyone got any other updates on this instead of us calling each other cynical all day lol

Well that's pretty cynical in an of itself, in my view.

[Moemers]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-questioned-pennsylvania-similar-gun-used-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shoo-rcna183443

hmm...

idk part of me thinks this is a controlled information thing, like a practice psyop run to test some new equipment and see where the general populous is at.

if, in the midst of all the surveillance being unrolled in cities and all around us, this guy gets away and it's this difficult for LEO to find him it says a lot about the efficacy of said techno-web...

i guess we do have to go through cyberpunk before we get to solarpunk

[4got2call]

I think this may be part of the military theater operation running on TV & online. X wasn't bought by "Elon"; it was seized by POTUS 45 in his EOs 13818 & 13848. There is a massive military intelligence theater operation to gradually reveal massive corruption in govt, media & corporations without enraging, frightening or despairing the public. It is also part of the re-training of the public to oversee their government and demand accountability of those who serve them. As part of that, I think they may be either using this event to do so or actually staging all or some of the events. These specialists may be those doing so and they "got game":
https://www.soc.mil/4thPOG/4thPOGhome.html

[4got2call]

Your cross-reporting of this from X is absolutely spectacular. I'm not sure how many realize who is running X at the moment, but it is a main posting hub of the military operation currently revealing all the corruption on Earth for the past seven years. So, the content in events like the hit on Thompson as well as most everything else with a significant thread there is a great share with people on a site with content like Avalon.
Very, very nicely done. And consistently. Thanks so much...

[Mike]

Cue the ad-homs. Q.E.D.

Cue the lunatic playing the victim.

[Nasu]

Apparently police in Altoona, Pennsylvania have taken into custody a person of interest in the shooting of the United Health care CEO. The person was spotted by a civilian who recognized the suspect from a wanted poster, inside a McDonald's, where the suspect was arrested with a similar firearm on them. If true, this means this guy is absolutely not a pro, why wasn't laying low and getting rid of the gun? Now we'll see if they actually get the fifty grand or not....x..... N

[Sue (Ayt)]

Here is link to Mile's Mathis' take, just for the interest of it.
https://mileswmathis.com/brian.pdf
(The whole thing does have a scripted feel)

[Mike]

the pearl clutching going on here is pretty interesting...

Far more interesting (and disturbing) is the utter lack of basic humaneness.

You don't think Thompson should have been murdered, you don't think anyone should be murdered ..but it's not all that tragic that he was...because.. why again?? Because he hypothetically refused to cover some hypothetical person's medical bills who then hypothetically suffered? (who hypothetically then hired a hitman to kill him).

We still have no idea what happened LOL. But it's okay that Thompson died because (in Incredible Hulk voice): "CEO bad!!!!! Healthcare company bad!!!" This is the argument that's being made, and anyone who takes issue is a "pearl clutcher"? Whew.

[Akasha]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

Because they're largely globalists:)

So are the CEOs and board members.

Not necessarily.

Billionaires are completely different animals than millionaires..and hierarchically occupy an entirely different space in the grand scheme of things.

Brian Thompson made a little over $10 million a year. That's small beer compared to the people I'm talking about.

I know a couple millionaires. They're not uncommon, and most are not globalists. The same cannot be said of billionaires.

Mike, we are in danger of going down a rabbit hole here because, as we both know, there are millionaires and there are are millionaires.

There are the corporate Brian Thompson millionaires of this world, making billions of dollars of profit for their shareholders (Blackrock et al), which begs the question, why kill (by proxy) someone who is making you piles of wonga?.....and there are the self-made millionaires with their own successful businesses.

I'd be the first to accept that the latter may well be anti-globalist and I suspect your couple of rich acquaintances fall into that category.

But, and it is a big but, we are talking about the first category aren't we?

Brian Thompson and the board of United Health were doing a pretty good job of destabilising the Western way of life, wouldn't you say?


I don't think we know enough about Brian Thompson to say much of anything about him at the moment. He might have been a warm and wonderful man. We know he was a family man. He was obviously an educated and intelligent man, and likely worked very hard to achieve his position of CEO. It's not obvious to me at all that the online reaction has anything to do with the plight of the downtrodden/dispossessed; to me it reeks of envy, bitterness, and resentment towards a man who has been stripped of his humanity, even in death, and merely exists as a symbol of everything they were unwilling or unable to achieve and acquire.

I don't expect you'll overtly endorse the assassination, but attitudinally you appear quite okay with this atrocity. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I haven't read closely enough, and maybe I've missed the part where you expressed sympathy for his wife and kids. But I haven't seen it.

As far as the billionaire controllers of this world are concerned, he's easily replaceable. I don't think they'd even blink before green lighting a murder like this if they felt it was necessary.

You missed the part where I expressed sympathy for his wife and kids because they will be better off without him. He was a monster, responsible for implementing policy which led to countless death. Which part of that isn't sinking in, Mike?


Sorry! Fully sunk in now. I made the mistake of assuming you were sane. It won't happen again.


Cue the ad-homs. Q.E.D.

Cue the lunatic playing the victim.

Mike, seriously, are you ok?

[4got2call]

I think there is more to this than just the story itself. It may be an intentional revealing of several elements that they want to public to start paying attention to: the corruption of health insurance industry, which is related to the catastrophic corruption of healthcare itself; the overwhelming presence of public surveillance with the ability to get a face in front of the public so quickly. Yes, if this is a real event, it's important to locate the perpetrator, but as Shoshana Zuboff reveals in her work, the manner in which all of the innocent people on Earth get tracked is mostly hidden from public awareness and they may want that public to start paying attention to it. There are also many connections between UHC & other malfeasance to be learned and finally - it may be that they are trying to monitor how well the public itself tracks the backstory to these events to see if they are more informed and aware of what was hidden from them before. This seems to be an organized plan of public awakening and the evidence on X and in this forum is that it is working. From a slumber initiated by the numbing propaganda of decades of TV & more recently smartphones, the public "lion" is awakening to note that the cage surrounding it is not as substantial as it once perceived it to be. The roar we hear next will have a compelling meaning behind it that is becoming more clear in these threads.

[Nasu]

Here is link to Mile's Mathis' take, just for the interest of it.
https://mileswmathis.com/brian.pdf
(The whole thing does have a scripted feel)

For those who don't want to download things:

by Miles Mathis

First published December 5, 2024

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but that asshole is still alive somewhere, probably on some island beach. I knew it the moment I saw this story. How? You are about to find out.

The first clue is that police released footage immediately to the press, so I knew the police and press were in on the fake. If this were real they wouldn't be airing it to the public within hours. It would be considered a snuff film.

The second clue is that CEOs of big healthcare companies like this are not walking around by themselves on the streets of Manhattan at night. Precisely for this reason. You will say this was in the morning, but we can see from footage it was still dark (about half an hour before sunrise). Tony Fauci and Albert Bourla are known to have heavy security, and we may assume the same for Brian Thompson.

The third clue is that the film looks fake. The guy playing Thompson is a bad actor and his reactions are comical. Plus, notice what no one else has: the SUV right there hits its brake lights and leaves them on right as the film starts. What does that mean? It means AAAANNNDD. . . ACTION!

The fourth clue is that it is convenient, isn't it, that this murder just happened to take place right beneath a street camera aimed directly at the scene, with our boys center of frame. Front and center, but from the back, so we can't identify Thompson.

The fifth clue is the photos released the next day of the shooter. No way they would have multiple photos of this guy with his mask down and smiling. What's the point of a hoodie and mask if you are going to walk around posing for the cameras with them off?

The sixth clue is the cutesy messages on the shell casings: DENY DEFEND DEPOSE. Just stinks of Langley, doesn't it? These effin' script-monkeys don't know when to stop.

The seventh clue is ex-New York Times crazy **** Taylor Lorenz coming down on the side of revolutionaries here, saying Thompson had it coming. Sure he did, but that isn't the weird thing in this case. The weird thing is that Lorenz is saying it. She's crazy, yes, but anyone would expect her to be crazy in the opposite pasture here. So her comments also look scripted, indicating to me she has been paid to make the event look real. If she has to do that by celebrating the fake death, well OK. Sometimes that is the best way to sell an event, you know.

The eighth clue is social media being inundated with a million influencers and commenters, all selling this as real. The usual agents crawl out of the woodwork immediately to shove this story down your throat.

But the ninth clue is the decider: today it was reported that Thompson was under investigation
So just when he needed to disappear, he did. Just a whacky coincidence, I'm sure.

More to come, no doubt, as they catch this actor and try him in a dummy court, to properly salt this in. What do you want to bet it will be a bench trial with a deputy DA prosecuting him?

[Ernie Nemeth]

everyone is a millionaire in today's world - they just steal a larger percentage of our loot

[Moemers]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-latest-net-closing-suspect-new/story?id=116591169

sure seems like they got him...

[Moemers]

Here is link to Mile's Mathis' take, just for the interest of it.
https://mileswmathis.com/brian.pdf
(The whole thing does have a scripted feel)

thanks for this. very interesting take and something i've definitely considered...

[4got2call]

The two primary tools used by those controllers made note of in the thread are: fear & division. It's how Covid was perpetrated. The elements used to divide the public remain long after they are deployed against the masses and it's possible they are present here very subtly. Of course it's horrible that such an act was perpetrated, but if it reveals the dark intentions of monsters in $5,000 suits, then that revelation might be a better focus of anyone discussing what happened. Rather than differences in the details, finding common ground in exposing how UHC & other health insurance companies create widespread massive human suffering could help to not only reveal that activity but also unite the public behind the exposure movement. This event - while distasteful and horrifying in its impact on some people - may lead to a "sunshine disinfection" of the entire healthcare industry in the United States and that can't ever be a bad thing. As the parents of the world are about to find out from the new U.S. HHS Sec'y in a few months, the elderly are not the most abused segment of the population when it comes to these corporations like UHC. And the thunder from this event - while significant - will be a tiny ant-fart in comparison to what is coming when those parents come to that realization and its more complete implications. Better the two of you might unify now because in some months you may be literally standing a post to keep doctors and hospital administrators from the same danger as Mr. Thompson came to meet and cooler heads will be needed to help do that. Now would be good practice to try that unification.

[Moemers]

https://x.com/PepMangione

apparently this is the guy...i dont have an X account so i cant see anything

[Akasha]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

Because they're largely globalists:)

So are the CEOs and board members.

Not necessarily.

Billionaires are completely different animals than millionaires..and hierarchically occupy an entirely different space in the grand scheme of things.

Brian Thompson made a little over $10 million a year. That's small beer compared to the people I'm talking about.

I know a couple millionaires. They're not uncommon, and most are not globalists. The same cannot be said of billionaires.

Mike, we are in danger of going down a rabbit hole here because, as we both know, there are millionaires and there are are millionaires.

There are the corporate Brian Thompson millionaires of this world, making billions of dollars of profit for their shareholders (Blackrock et al), which begs the question, why kill (by proxy) someone who is making you piles of wonga?.....and there are the self-made millionaires with their own successful businesses.

I'd be the first to accept that the latter may well be anti-globalist and I suspect your couple of rich acquaintances fall into that category.

But, and it is a big but, we are talking about the first category aren't we?

Brian Thompson and the board of United Health were doing a pretty good job of destabilising the Western way of life, wouldn't you say?


I don't think we know enough about Brian Thompson to say much of anything about him at the moment. He might have been a warm and wonderful man. We know he was a family man. He was obviously an educated and intelligent man, and likely worked very hard to achieve his position of CEO. It's not obvious to me at all that the online reaction has anything to do with the plight of the downtrodden/dispossessed; to me it reeks of envy, bitterness, and resentment towards a man who has been stripped of his humanity, even in death, and merely exists as a symbol of everything they were unwilling or unable to achieve and acquire.

I don't expect you'll overtly endorse the assassination, but attitudinally you appear quite okay with this atrocity. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I haven't read closely enough, and maybe I've missed the part where you expressed sympathy for his wife and kids. But I haven't seen it.

As far as the billionaire controllers of this world are concerned, he's easily replaceable. I don't think they'd even blink before green lighting a murder like this if they felt it was necessary.

You missed the part where I expressed sympathy for his wife and kids because they will be better off without him. He was a monster, responsible for implementing policy which led to countless death. Which part of that isn't sinking in, Mike?


Sorry! Fully sunk in now. I made the mistake of assuming you were sane. It won't happen again.


Cue the ad-homs. Q.E.D.

Cue the lunatic playing the victim.

Whatever, Bro, whatever.

[Moemers]

apparently my man has a manifesto so when that leaks we should take a look

[Mike]

You missed the part where I expressed sympathy for his wife and kids because they will be better off without him. He was a monster, responsible for implementing policy which led to countless death. Which part of that isn't sinking in, Mike?


Mike, seriously, are you ok?


Cute:bigsmile:

The bloviating 'meat-is-murder' guy who ironically endorses the cold-blooded execution of a guy just going about his business on a city street is concerned about my mental well-being. Well, thanks for asking creepy vegan guy! I'm great, how are you?

I have to assume, if you endorse this execution and think his family and friends are better off without him and all that just because he's the CEO of healthcare company, that you'd also endorse the execution of all healthcare CEO's for the same ridiculous reason? That's not a rhetorical question by the way.

[Moemers]

i feel like this is now going to be competing with the Jordan Neely verdict...kind of funny how these two events coincide huh?


why would this kid keep the weapon? patsy?

[Orph]

Jeeeeeeeezus. Will you two quit hitting the "Reply With Quote" Button!!!!! :facepalm:

[Akasha]

why would Billionaires want to destabilize "the west and our way of life?"What an excellent question! :ROFL:

Because they're largely globalists:)

So are the CEOs and board members.

Not necessarily.

Billionaires are completely different animals than millionaires..and hierarchically occupy an entirely different space in the grand scheme of things.

Brian Thompson made a little over $10 million a year. That's small beer compared to the people I'm talking about.

I know a couple millionaires. They're not uncommon, and most are not globalists. The same cannot be said of billionaires.

Mike, we are in danger of going down a rabbit hole here because, as we both know, there are millionaires and there are are millionaires.

There are the corporate Brian Thompson millionaires of this world, making billions of dollars of profit for their shareholders (Blackrock et al), which begs the question, why kill (by proxy) someone who is making you piles of wonga?.....and there are the self-made millionaires with their own successful businesses.

I'd be the first to accept that the latter may well be anti-globalist and I suspect your couple of rich acquaintances fall into that category.

But, and it is a big but, we are talking about the first category aren't we?

Brian Thompson and the board of United Health were doing a pretty good job of destabilising the Western way of life, wouldn't you say?


I don't think we know enough about Brian Thompson to say much of anything about him at the moment. He might have been a warm and wonderful man. We know he was a family man. He was obviously an educated and intelligent man, and likely worked very hard to achieve his position of CEO. It's not obvious to me at all that the online reaction has anything to do with the plight of the downtrodden/dispossessed; to me it reeks of envy, bitterness, and resentment towards a man who has been stripped of his humanity, even in death, and merely exists as a symbol of everything they were unwilling or unable to achieve and acquire.

I don't expect you'll overtly endorse the assassination, but attitudinally you appear quite okay with this atrocity. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I haven't read closely enough, and maybe I've missed the part where you expressed sympathy for his wife and kids. But I haven't seen it.

As far as the billionaire controllers of this world are concerned, he's easily replaceable. I don't think they'd even blink before green lighting a murder like this if they felt it was necessary.

You missed the part where I expressed sympathy for his wife and kids because they will be better off without him. He was a monster, responsible for implementing policy which led to countless death. Which part of that isn't sinking in, Mike?


Sorry! Fully sunk in now. I made the mistake of assuming you were sane. It won't happen again.


Cue the ad-homs. Q.E.D.

Cue the lunatic playing the victim.

Mike, seriously, are you ok?


Cute:bigsmile:

The bloviating 'meat-is-murder' guy who ironically endorses the cold-blooded execution of a guy just going about his business on a city street is concerned about my mental well-being. Well, thanks for asking creepy vegan guy! I'm great, how are you?

I have to assume, if you endorse this execution and think his family and friends are better off without him and all that just because he's the CEO of healthcare company, that you'd also endorse the execution of all healthcare CEO's for the same ridiculous reason? That's not a rhetorical question by the way.

So just to be clear, I’m a bloviating, insane, creepy, lunatic vegan?

Thanks for the diagnosis.

Appreciate the honestly, Mike. No, really!

Very Avalonian discourse.

You're a real treasure aren’t you?

That was a rhetorical question too btw. I'll leave it there.

[Mike]

Jeeeeeeeezus. Will you two quit hitting the "Reply With Quote" Button!!!!! :facepalm:

Fair enough:bigsmile: I just trimmed some fat, just for you Orph.

[Mike]

Akasha, you didn't answer my question.

Would you endorse the execution of all healthcare CEO's? Serious question!

[Akasha]

Akasha, you didn't answer my question.

Would you endorse the execution of all healthcare CEO's? Serious question!

I didn't answer it because it doesn't deserve one.

Seriously, bro, where's your head at? Serious question!

[T Smith]

The public execution of an innocent man and father of two is indefensible, not 'inevitable.
Condoning and cheering this murder on says more about you than the situation of health insurance
Condoning murder for any reason begins to erode acceptable human norms and desensitized society to violence.
Condoning murder for any reason is the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences.
There is a strong intentional effort to drain society of compassion and empathy, and at the same make violent behavior more acceptable. This is not an American problem it is a global problem. The prevailing wisdom of those in power is that problems of this magnitude require global solutions. So many people around the world can't move beyond their emotions to understand what is happening.


The innocent man label is a bit of a stretch isn't it?

Given the consequences of United's policy with him at the helm, many more have died than at the hands of your average death-rower.

I suspect this isn't so much "the start of normalizing violence as an acceptable tool to resolve differences" as it was a last resort for somebody.

But yeah, as I said, before, not knowing the full story, there but for the grace of god go I.

If you're cheering on the execution of Brian Thompson, you're going after the low fruit and calling it a score. Call it the lazy man's justice.

Nobody is saying Brian Thompson was a boy scout; he's just NOT the subject of a bullet. IMO. Nor should he be.

Brian Thompson has NOTHING to do with the injustices that would drive a vigilante to murder. I promise.

I'm all for justice. But you gotta dig deeper than going after the family man with two kids who scored 1495 on his SAT and worked his way to the top to feed his family to run a (very corrupted) company...

If you want real justice, look deeper.

Re-read the posts. Many are saying he was a "boy scout" including you given your S.A.T comment.

Everyone who takes an SAT is a boy scout? I have no idea who Brian Thompson is. I assume it takes a certain type of person without a conflict of conscience to manage the interests of shareholders. And to speak to Moemers' point about motive, I do understand the how and why of it. I'm just pointing out in my posts that a rage-driven murderous motive that requires a face to an abstract injustice is often misdirected.

What we're discussing here is the human condition and as old as time. Let's have Shakespeare weigh in:

"...The first thing we should do, is kill all the lawyers!"

Not to get too stuck in the weeds (again) T, but SAT takers are extremely synonymous with boy scouts in this context because of their typical respective ages: they are both still effectively children.

This kind of portrayal attempts, but fails, to whitewash the character of the individual concerned.

His SAT was along time ago, when he was a kid. Simply not relevant to the crimes, and they were crimes, that he and his associates have committed many, many years later.

That they haven’t been prosecuted is more a reflection on the ineffectiveness / collusion of the US legal system, and IMHO why someone may well have decided to mete out justice on a more direct and personal level, assuming it wasn’t that wiley ‘ole Sörös and his underground army of crack-shot crack-heads.

If I wasn't clear, let me reiterate I am not trying to whitewash any specific crimes committed by Brian Thompson. Bad analogy--maybe; but in any event, I wasn't implying an innocence thing based on age with the SAT comment; it's apparent my point was lost in the fray, so I'll just leave it at that.

I am interested to learn exactly what Brian Thompson's specific crimes are (were), however, and am would respond appropriately to any prosecuting argument specifically calling for capital punishment. Cuz it seems like that's the bottom line here. I'm not sure if this is the right thread for that discussion, but if anyone who feels strongly about this issue is so inclined, perhaps we should start new thread, something like, Brian Thompson's Crimes/Why He Deserved a Bullet. At least there we could both step out of the weeds and address the issue directly :)

Carry on. I, too, like Moemers, am very interested in the reaction to all this.

[Nasu]

I think a dedicated fight thread would be useful for some flame wars that can erupt from time to time, so that conflict could be directed to, instead of taking a thread off the rails. IMHO...x.... N

[Nasu]

Seems like they've got him...x... N


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZcEfiy2L1c

[Mike]

Akasha, you didn't answer my question.

Would you endorse the execution of all healthcare CEO's? Serious question!

I didn't answer it because it doesn't deserve one.

Seriously, bro, where's your head at? Serious question!


Well since I've caught you in a serious state of mind...

All healthcare companies deny coverage for all sorts of reasons, some justified and many not. People suffer and sometimes die as a result.

And all healthcare CEO's answer to their shareholders first.

Whatever crime you imagine Thompson had to die for would apply to any healthcare CEO.

So, I'm asking you: Would you then endorse the murder of all healthcare CEO's? If not, why?

[Akasha]

keep digging your hole, Mike. I'm not going to stop you.

[Nasu]

Luigi Mangione, 26, the shooter in UHC CEO shooting originally from Towson, Md., apparently hated the medical community because of how it treated his sick relative and himself with a back injury...x... N

[Mike]

keep digging your hole, Mike. I'm not going to stop you.


Aaaand that's what I thought :)

Carry on folks

[Flash]

Akasha, you didn't answer my question.

Would you endorse the execution of all healthcare CEO's? Serious question!

I didn't answer it because it doesn't deserve one.

Seriously, bro, where's your head at? Serious question!


Well since I've caught you in a serious state of mind...

All healthcare companies deny coverage for all sorts of reasons, some justified and many not. People suffer and sometimes die as a result.

And all healthcare CEO's answer to their shareholders first.

Whatever crime you imagine Thompson had to die for would apply to any healthcare CEO.

So, I'm asking you: Would you then endorse the murder of all healthcare CEO's? If not, why?

Mike really!! Nobody can in his right mind answer that question, for two reasons: the first one is a value and heart one, wanting to kill is as bad as letting die, non psychopaths cannot want this.

Second, and not the least, nobody wants police to end up in their living room for having made vague threats on the internet. Don’t put Avalon members at risk. In some countries just mentioning a killing wish puts you in jail. Ask Thai people, Chinese, many Africans, South and Central Americans and if we are not careful, USA and Canada in the future.

So, please Mike, stop it.

[Mike]

Akasha, you didn't answer my question.

Would you endorse the execution of all healthcare CEO's? Serious question!

I didn't answer it because it doesn't deserve one.

Seriously, bro, where's your head at? Serious question!


Well since I've caught you in a serious state of mind...

All healthcare companies deny coverage for all sorts of reasons, some justified and many not. People suffer and sometimes die as a result.

And all healthcare CEO's answer to their shareholders first.

Whatever crime you imagine Thompson had to die for would apply to any healthcare CEO.

So, I'm asking you: Would you then endorse the murder of all healthcare CEO's? If not, why?

Mike really!! Nobody can in his right mind answer that question, for two reasons: the first one is a value and heart one, wanting to kill is as bad as letting die, non psychopaths cannot want this.

Second, and not the least, nobody wants police to end up in their living room for having made vague threats on the internet. Don’t put Avalon members at risk. In some countries just mentioning a killing wish puts you in jail. Ask Thai people, Chinese, many Africans, South and Central Americans and if we are not careful, USA and Canada in the future.

So, please Mike, stop it.


Flash:heart:, I'm not trying to get anyone arrested:)

You might have missed it, but earlier in the thread Akasha said he had no sympathy for the now dead Thompson, his wife, or his two little kids. Why? Because Thompson committed the sin of becoming a healthcare CEO, and in Akasha's words, they'll all be better off without him.

That might be the most insane, heartless statement I've ever read on this forum. I'm actually astounded that his comment isn't being scrutinized and criticized more in this thread.

Thompson's company operates like all other healthcare companies, and its actions are likely no more or less egregious i.e. denying coverage, prioritizing shareholders etc. If that's the crime, punishable by execution ( and justified according to Akasha) it's perfectly reasonable for me to ask the question: Under that rationale, should we just execute all healthcare CEO's then?

If you follow the thread of Akasha's thinking, that's where it leads. That's the point I'm making.

[Moemers]

especially in this thread, right at this moment in time...I mean, really consider what you're doing, dragging this on for pages and pages in our current societal context...

back to thread - has anyone read this dude's "manifesto"?

[Moemers]

https://i.imgur.com/EpAlMyZ.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeYMaVxW8AAXSE_?format=jpg&name=medium

lmao....this guy may or may not do well in prison.

his gofundme is gonna do numbers.

[Nasu]

back to thread - has anyone read this dude's "manifesto"?

I haven't read his manifesto yet, where is it? That being said in January 31st of this year Luigi wrote a review of Ted Kaczynski's book, I think it speaks volumes to his state of mind:

He was a violent individual rightfully imprisoned who maimed innocent people. While these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy luddite, however they are more accurately seen as the actions of an extreme revolutionary. He had the balls to realize that peaceful protest has gotten us absolutely nowhere and at the end of the day he’s probably right. Oil barons haven’t lessened to any environmentalists but they fear him. When all forms of communication fail, violence is necessary to survive. You may not like his method but when you see things from his perspective its not terrorism, its a war and revolution. Fossils fuel companies actively suppress anything that stands in their way, and within a generation or two it begin costing human lives by greater and greater magnitudes until this earth is just a flaming ball orbiting third from the sun. Peaceful protest is outright ignored, economic protest is impossible in the current system, so how long until we recognize that violence against those who lead us to such destruction is justified as self defense. These companies don’t care about you or your kids or your grandkids, they have zero quames about burning down the planet, so why should we have any quams about burning them down to survive. They are animals just like everything else on this planet except they forgot the law of the jungle. When any other animal recognizes a threat they fight for their survival, violence never solved anything, is a statement uttered by cowards and predators.

[SilentFeathers]

Yeap, things are weird now-a-days!!!!!!

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1866201337290956878

REPORT: Luigi Mangione, who was named a person of interest in the execution of CEO Brian Thompson, was valedictorian of the Gilman School in 2016.

I have found footage of his valedictorian speech at the 119th Gilman School Founder's Day Ceremony.

Mangione is one of six children and said he intended to study AI at the University of Pennsylvania when he graduated.

The Gilman School is a $40,000-a-year all-boys school in Baltimore.

Mangione had shared a quote online from "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski before he was caught.

"Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy then gives them the drugs to take away their unhappiness," a Kaczynski quote liked by Mangione read.

[Moemers]

people are saying - i havent verified, i dont have x - but the dude is a Trad Cath, which is pretty funny honestly lol

anyone have info on the Gilman School?

[T Smith]

You don't think Thompson should have been murdered, you don't think anyone should be murdered ..but it's not all that tragic that he was...because.. why again?? Because he hypothetically refused to cover some hypothetical person's medical bills who then hypothetically suffered? (who hypothetically then hired a hitman to kill him).



And... still waiting on all those hypotheticals. If this were a thread about Anthony Fauci it would be much more interesting. We all know of his crimes against humanity. The only discussion then becomes if/when vigilante capital punishment is ever justified. We can all take our varying positions on that one -- but Brian Thompson? If CEO bad! Healthcare company bad! is all you got, that isn't at all convincing to me.

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/peruvian_bull/status/1866213955687022656

1866213955687022656


Peruvian Bull
@peruvian_bull
Let me get this straight:

Killer is Luigi Mangione, Ivy League grad with degrees in comp sci, avid reader and active contributor on GitHub.

He has a 130+ IQ but he takes off his mask at a Starbucks to flirt with an employee, then an hour later goes and calmly kills the CEO of a major healthcare company, rides away on a bike.

A week later goes to a local McDonalds where he brings the murder weapon, the fake ID he used to check into a hotel, and a written manifesto on how horrible the American healthcare system is. He somehow gets identified by the cashier after he sits down.

He works on his laptop until police come inside the McDonalds, sitting there with a ghost gun and suppressor he made himself.

Gotcha.

///

Peruvian Bull
@peruvian_bull
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7m
He goes to a park and ditches a backpack full of Monopoly money but not the murder weapon???


https://x.com/Yking_x/status/1866221486047928559

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[Nasu]

What a classic Italian slip up, smoosing with the clerk at the hostel and removing his mask totally nailed him. Also his keeping his fake id and gun, very rookie mistakes, never-mind his penchant for chain store food and beverages. Not surprised he was a fan of Ted Kaczynski, but didn't have the same low key habits or stamina, for example Ted Kaczynski stayed off the radar for seventeen years.....x..... N

[Akasha]

Snippet of recent NYPD press conference (https://x.com/RedWave_Press/status/1866196348447396346):


BREAKING: The suspect, 26-year-old Luigi Mangione used a “ghost gun” that was possibly made on a 3D printer in the
shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in NYC.

“The gun appears to be a ghost gun, may have been made on a 3D printer [with] the capability of firing a 9 mm round.” -NYPD Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny

[Moemers]

to be fair from what ive heard he gave Kaczynskis manifesto 4 stars so he wasnt entirely thrilled with it lol

[Moemers]

Snippet of recent NYPD press conference (https://x.com/RedWave_Press/status/1866196348447396346):


BREAKING: The suspect, 26-year-old Luigi Mangione used a “ghost gun” that was possibly made on a 3D printer in the
shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in NYC.

“The gun appears to be a ghost gun, may have been made on a 3D printer [with] the capability of firing a 9 mm round.” -NYPD Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny

there we go, the ghost gun angle. that's nice for them, itll be way easier to just pin it on this dude AND now they have another legalistic opportunity to do a bit more clamping down

[Nasu]

to be fair from what ive heard he gave Kaczynskis manifesto 4 stars so he wasnt entirely thrilled with it lol

lol. I guess he thought Ted was a little too hands off and stand back in his final approach to murder....x... N

[Akasha]

From his YouTube channel:


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[Akasha]

His subscriber count was 12800 at the time of me posting it here. It's just gone up to 14500. This could possibly turn out to be the most viral YT subscriber growth ever.

[rgray222]

people are saying - i havent verified, i dont have x - but the dude is a Trad Cath, which is pretty funny honestly lol

anyone have info on the Gilman School?

I am familiar with the Gilman school. It is an all-boys school k -12. It is very private, very hard to get into and very expensive, approximately $35-40K per year for grades 9-12. It has been a feeder school to the Ivy League colleges and better universities around the USA. There are approximately a thousand (maybe a bit more) students K-12 and a class size of 12-15 students. The school is located in Roland Park Md. but it is just a short drive to Balto County where many of the students live. Roland Park a very exclusive area, close to Towson Maryland which some people may be familiar with.

The alumni include some senators and I believe a few governors. Gilman is an independent school but it caters to a very strong catholic base. There are network of private Catholic schools in Maryland, such as Calvert Hall, Loyola, Boys Latin, Friends etc.

I would say that the vast majority of the graduates go on to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, politician or senior managers in corporate Anerica.

[Mike]

I kind of casually said myself - after seeing Mangione smiling so casually just prior to the murder - that this kid had probably played too many first person video games or something ..of the shooter variety. It's kinda cliche to think that way maybe but also rooted in something very real. Kids and young adults live a significant portion of their lives online and playing video games, and the effect is rapid emotional desensitization and destabilization. Anyway, I wasn't too surprised to read the following just a moment ago:

"Mangione was a teaching assistant at Penn and founded the University of Pennsylvania Game Research and Development Environment, a video game development club. In 2018, Penn Today, the university's official news website, featured Mangione in an article on UPGRADE. The article has since been removed."

Maybe something, maybe nothing.. but worth mentioning I think.

Young guy at 26. Maybe my ego is invested in my earlier theory, but I do suspect he was radicalized at university. It'll be interesting to see what else comes out here.

[SilentFeathers]

I kind of casually said myself - after seeing Mangione smiling so casually just prior to the murder - that this kid had probably played too many first person video games or something ..of the shooter variety. It's kinda cliche to think that way maybe but also rooted in something very real. Kids and young adults live a significant portion of their lives online and playing video games, and the effect is rapid emotional desensitization and destabilization. Anyway, I wasn't too surprised to read the following just a moment ago:

"Mangione was a teaching assistant at Penn and founded the University of Pennsylvania Game Research and Development Environment, a video game development club. In 2018, Penn Today, the university's official news website, featured Mangione in an article on UPGRADE. The article has since been removed."

Maybe something, maybe nothing.. but worth mentioning I think.

Young guy at 26. Maybe my ego is invested in my earlier theory, but I do suspect he was radicalized at university. It'll be interesting to see what else comes out here.

yea, I would bet he's a tad bit indoctrinated in to the lefty club. A high IQ spoiled brat likely that has no ability to critically think or capable of logical reasoning.

Regardless, this dude being hailed as a hero by some and the insane rhetoric coming out of the Daniel Penny verdict I do believe we are going to see some lunatics go on a killing spree (vigilante style).

[Mike]

I kind of casually said myself - after seeing Mangione smiling so casually just prior to the murder - that this kid had probably played too many first person video games or something ..of the shooter variety. It's kinda cliche to think that way maybe but also rooted in something very real. Kids and young adults live a significant portion of their lives online and playing video games, and the effect is rapid emotional desensitization and destabilization. Anyway, I wasn't too surprised to read the following just a moment ago:

"Mangione was a teaching assistant at Penn and founded the University of Pennsylvania Game Research and Development Environment, a video game development club. In 2018, Penn Today, the university's official news website, featured Mangione in an article on UPGRADE. The article has since been removed."

Maybe something, maybe nothing.. but worth mentioning I think.

Young guy at 26. Maybe my ego is invested in my earlier theory, but I do suspect he was radicalized at university. It'll be interesting to see what else comes out here.

yea, I would bet he's a tad bit indoctrinated in to the lefty club. A high IQ spoiled brat likely that has no ability to critically think or capable of logical reasoning.

Regardless, this dude being hailed as a hero by some and the insane rhetoric coming out of the Daniel Penny verdict I do believe we are going to see some lunatics go on a killing spree (vigilante style).


Also feels kinda MK Ultra to me. The kid looks like an Adonis, is brilliant by most all measures, accomplished, etc. Comes from a wealthy background (would like to know about his parents) He doesn't look or seem real to me. He looks manufactured, his background appears manufactured, the clues he left behind (Monopoly money, writing on the casings) seem manufactured...

Maybe I'm jumping the gun here a little, but that's where my mind is going.

[SilentFeathers]

I kind of casually said myself - after seeing Mangione smiling so casually just prior to the murder - that this kid had probably played too many first person video games or something ..of the shooter variety. It's kinda cliche to think that way maybe but also rooted in something very real. Kids and young adults live a significant portion of their lives online and playing video games, and the effect is rapid emotional desensitization and destabilization. Anyway, I wasn't too surprised to read the following just a moment ago:

"Mangione was a teaching assistant at Penn and founded the University of Pennsylvania Game Research and Development Environment, a video game development club. In 2018, Penn Today, the university's official news website, featured Mangione in an article on UPGRADE. The article has since been removed."

Maybe something, maybe nothing.. but worth mentioning I think.

Young guy at 26. Maybe my ego is invested in my earlier theory, but I do suspect he was radicalized at university. It'll be interesting to see what else comes out here.

yea, I would bet he's a tad bit indoctrinated in to the lefty club. A high IQ spoiled brat likely that has no ability to critically think or capable of logical reasoning.

Regardless, this dude being hailed as a hero by some and the insane rhetoric coming out of the Daniel Penny verdict I do believe we are going to see some lunatics go on a killing spree (vigilante style).


Also feels kinda MK Ultra to me. The kid looks like an Adonis, is brilliant by most all measures, accomplished, etc. Comes from a wealthy background (would like to know about his parents) He doesn't look or seem real to me. He looks manufactured, his background appears manufactured, the clues he left behind (Monopoly money, writing on the casings) seem manufactured...

Maybe I'm jumping the gun here a little, but that's where my mind is going.

I'm not sure what to make of this yet. I'm leaning to this dude orchestrating and designing this whole thing himself for some deranged satisfaction in his own twisted mind.

He's smart enough that he's probably betting his life on somehow, someway, getting away with this.....but dumb enough not realizing he's going to prison for the rest of his life.

He'll get hero status from a few idiots for a short time while Daniel Penny will likely get murdered for actually being a hero if he isn't extremely careful for the foreseeable future.

[onawah]

BREAKING! United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson's Assassin Found
Candace Ep 117
3.19M subscribers
12/9/24

(Owens doesn't get to the news about his arrest today on firearm charges at McDonald's in Pennsylvania until well into the video, but she does provide a lot of detail about him and his motives. He apparently was a fan of the "Unibomber".)

"All the breaking news about the alleged killer of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson."

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Former FBI profiler reveals what's next for alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO killer
Fox News
12.5M subscribers
Dec 9, 2024

"Retired NYPD inspector Paul Mauro and retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent James R. Fitzgerald discuss the arrest of a 'person of interest' in the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson,"

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[Akasha]

His YouTube has been deleted, reinforcing the idea that they have their man. The comment at the end of the video (All is scheduled. Be patient. Bye now.) is intriguing given his iq. Does he have something else up his sleeve or is it just psychotic hubris?

[mountain_jim]

Interesting how quickly we know so much about this guy but still next to nothing about Trump's first shooter or those parents.

update with just saw this:


Tony Seruga
@TonySeruga
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15h
Can you believe how much has already been released on Luigi Mangione, yet we still lack an enormous amount of detail on Thomas Matthew Crooks and Ryan Wesley Routh?

[rgray222]

Over time I have learned NOT to expect rational behavior from irrational people. The surprising aspect of this fiasco is that so many people embraced Luigi Mangione's irrational behavior as a positive event. Of course, virtually all of them added in a meaningless and absurd statement of absolution "murder is wrong" before trashing the victim. The only conclusion I can reach is that the USA is in the midst of a mental health crisis and those affected are in a complete state of denial.

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[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1866256233558360364

1866256233558360364

Laura Loomer

@LauraLoomer
EXCLUSIVE:

🚨🚨🚨

Luigi Mangione, the suspected United Healthcare CEO shooter, is Facebook friends with Moses Hetfield. Hetfield is one of Mangione’s few Facebook friends, and the two grew up in close proximity from each other in Maryland.

Moses Hetfield is the son of Mark Hatfield @MarkJHetfield , the President of the Jewish NGO HIAS @HIASrefugees, which facilitates illegal immigration into the United States with funding from DHS. DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas was on the board of HIAS before he was appointed as DHS Secretary by Joe Biden.

Moses’s mother is Miriam Hetfield, who works at DHS with Alejandro Mayorkas
@SecMayorkas . She works in Citizenship and Immigration Services.

What are the odds that the alleged shooter has one degree of Separation away from DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas?

RECEIPTS 👇🏻 cc:
@LoomerUnleashed

@CcpSkipTracer



https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1866489511141941453

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Daily Mail Online
@MailOnline
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1h
Luigi Mangione was unable to have sex because of severe back injury, former roommate says https://trib.al/y7Vt6Xu

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/8traq_truth/status/1866330972830191922

1866330972830191922

Since when do police release a photo of an inmate standing in his street clothes in a holding cell?

Everything about this reeks of psyop.


— 8traQ aka Vegas Mark (@8traq_truth) December 10, 2024





https://x.com/_emergent_/status/1866227016900514254

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Emergent Perspective
@_emergent_
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18h
💯🎯⬇️
This is a good point, and it's been under-discussed for several days.

The photos were *asserted* as the same person without the usual level of scrutiny.
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☦️ Kingpilled 👑
@realKingpilled
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19h
At what point was it determined the coffee shop flirty boi (who definitely looks like this Luigi dude) was the actual shooter? He’s wearing a black backpack vs a light-colored backpack, and the jacket looks totally different.

[Moemers]

he still looks relatively "with it"

[Nasu]

Hilarious reactions to Luigi's capture. Says everything about US health care, so called....x.... N


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaF38eYjZuw&t=714s

[Moemers]

its been remarkable to see how mainstreamed conspiracy theories have been ever since the first trump op

how many people out there actually believe this Luigi is the guy?

[Nasu]

its been remarkable to see how mainstreamed conspiracy theories have been ever since the first trump op

how many people out there actually believe this Luigi is the guy?

My own feeling is that, little by little, over the past few years, the curtains and veils of trust and faith and belief in all our institutions has and is crumbling, until the final truth will inevitably emerge within each of us, this truth is obvious but hard to swallow, let alone act upon, none of us will get out of here alive and no one will save us but ourselves. This ceo assassination / healthcare in the spotlight chapter is too but a mere symptom of the wider crumble and gradual realization, IMHO...x... N

[onawah]

Note that Mangione was a great fan of the Unibomber, who is linked to MKUltra according to Candace Owens. See:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123928-The-Murder-of-United-Healthcare-CEO-Brian-Thompson&p=1645928&viewfull=1#post1645928



Since when do police release a photo of an inmate standing in his street clothes in a holding cell?

Everything about this reeks of psyop.

[Nasu]

Note that Mangione was a great fan of the Unibomber, who is linked to MKUltra according to Candace Owens. See:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123928-The-Murder-of-United-Healthcare-CEO-Brian-Thompson&p=1645928&viewfull=1#post1645928



Since when do police release a photo of an inmate standing in his street clothes in a holding cell?

Everything about this reeks of psyop.


Perhaps you didn't see my previous post about this...x... N





back to thread - has anyone read this dude's "manifesto"?

I haven't read his manifesto yet, where is it? That being said in January 31st of this year Luigi wrote a review of Ted Kaczynski's book, I think it speaks volumes to his state of mind:

He was a violent individual rightfully imprisoned who maimed innocent people. While these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy luddite, however they are more accurately seen as the actions of an extreme revolutionary. He had the balls to realize that peaceful protest has gotten us absolutely nowhere and at the end of the day he’s probably right. Oil barons haven’t lessened to any environmentalists but they fear him. When all forms of communication fail, violence is necessary to survive. You may not like his method but when you see things from his perspective its not terrorism, its a war and revolution. Fossils fuel companies actively suppress anything that stands in their way, and within a generation or two it begin costing human lives by greater and greater magnitudes until this earth is just a flaming ball orbiting third from the sun. Peaceful protest is outright ignored, economic protest is impossible in the current system, so how long until we recognize that violence against those who lead us to such destruction is justified as self defense. These companies don’t care about you or your kids or your grandkids, they have zero quames about burning down the planet, so why should we have any quams about burning them down to survive. They are animals just like everything else on this planet except they forgot the law of the jungle. When any other animal recognizes a threat they fight for their survival, violence never solved anything, is a statement uttered by cowards and predators.

[onawah]

PSYOP! CIA Mind Control Operation — MKUltra Divide And Conquer Strategy?
WeAreChange
864K subscribers
12/10/24

"This report covers the latest developments surrounding the UnitedHealthcare CEO assassination and the suspect in the case. We break down a possible mind control op at play and how this may all tie into a larger divide and conquer strategy."

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[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/tracybeanz/status/1866558047038153149

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Something is super strange about all of this. Either he didn’t do it or he’s insane. It’s one or the other, no in between.

— Tracy Beanz (@tracybeanz) December 10, 2024

[Dennis Leahy]

...
You might have missed it, but earlier in the thread Akasha said he had no sympathy for the now dead Thompson, his wife, or his two little kids. Why? Because Thompson committed the sin of becoming a healthcare CEO, and in Akasha's words, they'll all be better off without him.

That might be the most insane, heartless statement I've ever read on this forum. I'm actually astounded that his comment isn't being scrutinized and criticized more in this thread. ...


Point taken, and hopefully the comment was a hyper-emotional pimple that popped. Many, many of us can fly mentally into a righteous murdering rage when we think about a child-raping pedophile, for example, and can imagine even killing the attacker bare-handed before a single rational thought prevailed.

Killing selfish people isn't a cure for the situation - the dead guy won't be replaced by an unselfish person.

Hopefully, we who are upset can holster our gun, sheathe our knife, unclench our fist, and fight appropriately against those we perceive to be the bad guys. The shooter didn't lower anyone's insurance premiums nor get United Healthcare to agree to pay a medical bill they would have denied. The shooter shot a man, not the underlying policy of denial by a health insurer.

[mountain_jim]

I had to leave this thread for awhile, as I could not handle or respond to what I perceived emotionally as the low vibration-level of some of the rhetoric on this thread at this forum.

[Moemers]

could this Luigi kid be Monarch?

The pedigree, the good looks, the rhetoric...they absolutely can't let this go unsolved. The killer got clean away, hard to see it otherwise and the way the message was spinning out of their hands in real time was too much. If Corporations have access to mkultra tech and activated this kid to take the fall it would be really sad.

edit: lol is that too dramatic and over the top of a theory?

[edina]

This Democracy Now segment speaks more to the issue of health care companies' practices. I found it helpful, with a couple more resources to consider.

The murder of CEO Brian Thompson is tragic. And so is the life experience of Luigi Mangione and millions of other Americans.

Hopefully, this tragedy catalyzes a genuine public conversation, like the one in this video.

Deny, Defend, Depose: UnitedHealthcare CEO Killing Highlights Widespread Rage at Healthcare Industry (https://youtu.be/jyKJKUnMBY4?si=rEM-tioh254ncTil)
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Although little is known about the motive for Thompson's killing, there has been an outpouring of rage on social media directed at the health industry, with many sharing stories of having claims for vital care denied and losing precious time with loved ones during illness. Former healthcare executive Wendell Potter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Potter), now an advocate for reform, says the anger being expressed now has always been "barely below the surface" and was one of the reasons he left the industry. "I couldn't, in good conscience, continue to support an industry that … established themselves firmly between a patient and his or her doctor," says Potter. "What we're seeing, sadly, in some form or fashion probably was inevitable."

We also speak with Derrick Crowe of the People's Action Institute, which runs the Care Over Cost (https://careovercost.org/) campaign, helping people fight back against health insurance claims denials. "These corporations have too much power in this country. They are blocking progress on issues like gun violence and on the epidemic of care denials in this country, either through prior authorizations or through claims denials," says Crowe.

Deadly Spin, An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out on How Corporate PR is Killing Healthcare and Deceiving Americans, Wendell Potter.

Nation On The Take, How Big Money Corrupts Our Democracy and What We Can Do About It, Wendell Potter and Nick Penniman

https://www.wendellpotter.com/books
https://healthcareuncovered.substack.com/

[edina]

This Democracy Now segment speaks more to the issue of health care companies' practices. I found it helpful, with a couple more resources to consider.

The murder of CEO Brian Thompson is tragic. And so is the life experience of Luigi Mangione and millions of other Americans.

Hopefully, this tragedy catalyzes a genuine public conversation, like the one in this video.

Deny, Defend, Depose: UnitedHealthcare CEO Killing Highlights Widespread Rage at Healthcare Industry (https://youtu.be/jyKJKUnMBY4?si=rEM-tioh254ncTil)
jyKJKUnMBY4


Although little is known about the motive for Thompson's killing, there has been an outpouring of rage on social media directed at the health industry, with many sharing stories of having claims for vital care denied and losing precious time with loved ones during illness. Former healthcare executive Wendell Potter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Potter), now an advocate for reform, says the anger being expressed now has always been "barely below the surface" and was one of the reasons he left the industry. "I couldn't, in good conscience, continue to support an industry that … established themselves firmly between a patient and his or her doctor," says Potter. "What we're seeing, sadly, in some form or fashion probably was inevitable."

We also speak with Derrick Crowe of the People's Action Institute, which runs the Care Over Cost (https://careovercost.org/) campaign, helping people fight back against health insurance claims denials. "These corporations have too much power in this country. They are blocking progress on issues like gun violence and on the epidemic of care denials in this country, either through prior authorizations or through claims denials," says Crowe.

Deadly Spin, An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out on How Corporate PR is Killing Healthcare and Deceiving Americans, Wendell Potter.

Nation On The Take, How Big Money Corrupts Our Democracy and What We Can Do About It, Wendell Potter and Nick Penniman

https://www.wendellpotter.com/books
https://healthcareuncovered.substack.com/

An interesting point that came up in this segment is that the CEO was attending a conference where healthcare companies were meeting Wall Street investors.

[Inversion]

Over a decade ago a paparazzi was trying to photograph Justin Bieber's car then was hit and killed by a passing vehicle. I recall Justin saying after the incident that there needs to be new laws protecting celebrities. The death of the CEO could provide the Hegelian dialectic avenue to protect other executives by creating new laws that benefit them. I read or heard, maybe in this thread that they want their Wikipedia pages taken down. Considering the lawsuit against the company he could have been a sacrificial lamb.

It's located at 1:13 into the video.

01/02/13 (2:49)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnjdlfJKsaw

[Eric J (Viking)]

Luigi Mangione's lawyer, Thomas M. Dickey, speaks outside the courthouse



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDoABL8rFlA?si=cvamgTE5etRf-TRV

[Mike]

...
You might have missed it, but earlier in the thread Akasha said he had no sympathy for the now dead Thompson, his wife, or his two little kids. Why? Because Thompson committed the sin of becoming a healthcare CEO, and in Akasha's words, they'll all be better off without him.

That might be the most insane, heartless statement I've ever read on this forum. I'm actually astounded that his comment isn't being scrutinized and criticized more in this thread. ...


Point taken, and hopefully the comment was a hyper-emotional pimple that popped. Many, many of us can fly mentally into a righteous murdering rage when we think about a child-raping pedophile, for example, and can imagine even killing the attacker bare-handed before a single rational thought prevailed.

Killing selfish people isn't a cure for the situation - the dead guy won't be replaced by an unselfish person.

Hopefully, we who are upset can holster our gun, sheathe our knife, unclench our fist, and fight appropriately against those we perceive to be the bad guys. The shooter didn't lower anyone's insurance premiums nor get United Healthcare to agree to pay a medical bill they would have denied. The shooter shot a man, not the underlying policy of denial by a health insurer.


Hey brother, I fear this is an ingrained, deep sickness, particularly among far leftists. Have a listen as former Washington Post reporter Taylor Lorenz expresses her "joy" at the execution of Thompson.
32 seconds:
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Over on Substack a similar trend is flourishing among a certain contingent. Ditto X, I'm told.

I feel you on the murderous rage towards evil people emotion. It's a very human thing to feel. I know where your heart is at, and I believe you to be one of the most deeply feeling people around. But that level of rage towards a guy like Thompson is misplaced imo, and the mantle of folk hero doesn't work for the killer. The killer was a trust fund baby who probably could have paid for his back surgery out of pocket, and the man who died was just a cog in a much larger machine. I have just as much a reason to despise big pharma/healthcare as anyone (don't get me going!) so I get the frustration entirely. But I have to say I'm almost as astounded by the dispassionate online reaction to the execution as I am to the execution itself.

I find the whole thing deeply ironic on multiple levels. Generally speaking, I wouldn't accept standard healthcare even if it was free!:) In a way, we're all fighting for cheaper and easier access to poisons that will kill us quicker. The dark comedian in me is, sadly, amused on some level.

[rgray222]

New York police warn US healthcare executives about online ‘hitlist’

"Wanted" signs featuring corporate executives have been posted in Manhattan

https://i.redd.it/v3b4jhob896e1.jpeg

A New York Police Department bulletin issued Tuesday emphasized the heightened risk environment for healthcare executives following last week's brazen killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

Viral posts online have listed the names and salaries of several health insurance executives, multiple "Wanted" signs featuring corporate executives have been posted throughout Manhattan and users on social media continue to celebrate Thompson's death, according to the bulletin.

The warning signs come as a sea of social media posts indicate that shooting suspect Luigi Mangione might be viewed as a "martyr" who could inspire extremists to action.

With Mangione's action having the "capability to inspire a variety of extremists and grievance-driven malicious actors to violence," the NYPD encouraged companies to increase precautions and security for executives.

Mangione was arrested in Pennsylvania Monday and faces charges in New York including second-degree murder.

"Both prior to and after the suspected perpetrator's identification and arrest, some online users across social media platforms reacted positively to the killing, encouraged future targeting of similar executives, and shared conspiracy theories regarding the shooting," the bulletin said.

The bulletin highlighted a viral social media post featuring the names and salaries of eight health insurance CEOs, which some online users shared "emphasizing that it is a hitlist and that CEOs should be afraid," according to the bulletin. The "Wanted" posters in Manhattan included the images of corporate executives and bullet-shaped graphics warning, "UnitedHealthcare killed everyday people for the sake of profit. As a result Brian Thompson was denied his claim to life. Who will be denied next?"" and "Wall Street CEOs Should Not Feel Safe, Deny, Defend, Depose."

The NYPD bulletin also included multiple examples of individuals expressing their belief online that Thompson fully deserved to be murdered based on his role in the insurance industry.

Source: https://abcnews.go.com/US/executive-hit-lists-wanted-posters-nypd-warns-threats/story?id=116662519

[Mike]

And in the latest twist of madness.. the policemen who arrested Maglione are getting death threats.

https://www.newsweek.com/unitedhealth-ceo-murder-luigi-mangione-arrest-threats-police-1998836

[Akasha]

Alleged manifesto of Luigi Mangione published by Ken Klippenstein. (https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto)

[mountain_jim]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gefc3GyXcAA1rJ3?format=jpg&name=medium


https://x.com/Chicago1Ray/status/1866304160821359039

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@Chicago1Ray 🇺🇸
@Chicago1Ray
Just to be clear... how did the FBI nab this guy Luigi in (3) days but still hasn't gotten the guy who planted pipe bombs on J5 in (4) years

[Akasha]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gefc3GyXcAA1rJ3?format=jpg&name=medium

"Have you considered doing it yourself?" (https://www.instructables.com/Stich-Yourself-Shut-Sugery-at-home/)

[Flash]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gefc3GyXcAA1rJ3?format=jpg&name=medium

"Have you considered doing it yourself?" (https://www.instructables.com/Stich-Yourself-Shut-Sugery-at-home/)

Funny but not true for Canada

The answer would be wait 42 hours in an emergency unit, then go to a private clinic if your employer insures you. If not, wait another 42 hours but.... we never let someone die once they are in the hospital under care, it is getting there, in care, that is tough. Once you are in care, it is free. I still wayyyyyy prefer it to the USA.
Did you also know that our doctors, from our Canadian universities, are more years of studying medecine than in the US? Read about that last year, I was stunned.

[Akasha]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gefc3GyXcAA1rJ3?format=jpg&name=medium

"Have you considered doing it yourself?" (https://www.instructables.com/Stich-Yourself-Shut-Sugery-at-home/)

Funny but not true for Canada

The answer would be wait 42 hours in an emergency unit, then go to a private clinic if your employer insures you. If not, wait another 42 hours but.... we never let someone die once they are in the hospital under care, it is getting there, in care, that is tough. Once you are in care, it is free. I still wayyyyyy prefer it to the USA.
Did you also know that our doctors, from our Canadian universities, are more years of studying medecine than in the US? Read about that last year, I was stunned.

I think it is a reference to the contraversial M.A.I.D (https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html) initiative, Flash :).

[Bill Ryan]

This video is a couple days old now, but Chris Martenson focuses on the phenomenon of the widespread (and understandable!) public anger against healthcare companies of all kinds.

America’s Health Crisis: Profits over People


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkQhrEuN9-0

[Denise/Dizi]

People Do have every right to be upset at how the "Healthcare" agencies have gained unwarranted control over the lives of the population, at the cost of their real well being. Being in bed with pharmaceutical industries who have protections for forced treatments, lack of treatments, etc...

Surely what is being seen here, isn't an uncaring population about the loss of an individual, but rather the celebration that something "Ground shaking" or "Worthy of public note" happened that showed that those in the positions making the policies and decisions over others, are worried more about profits than human life... And that engaging in such things can be dangerous, when pushed too far.. Especially if they were affected by life and death issues that this company is paid to resolve or cover.

If your car broke a day after you drove it off of the lot, you would expect your insurance to cover the repair... You paid for it... But people aren't being treated well in our wealthcare system. But forced to pay massive amounts of money just to be "Covered".

United Healthcare is now dropping some seniors in my state from coverage entirely... Most likely because they tend to get the sickest and require the most treatments... And that isn't "profitable"... So United Healthcare isn't playing nice with the population at large, and this was the man driving the bus...

A CEO is the highest ranking officer in a corporation... So this was a message stating that if they can be taken out, those below said "Executive" are not safe... And that they better wake up and remember their profession is to help people, if that is profitable? Great, but when the profits come before the care, there is a major breakdown... And that is where we are...

Sadly the healthcare industry isn't for the sake of the well being of the population, it is a tradable "For Profit" industry, and with great power and influence these days.. Which plays with the lives of its members... Many who engage them are dealing with life and death issues. Why are so many surprised it came to taking the life of the man at the helm?

I feel for this man and his family, but the message was loud and clear... How many people died as a result of the decisions of these CEO's? I think the lack of concern for this mans loss, reflects the lack of concern for the lives of patients that got substandard, or little to no care when they needed it the most, as a result of the policies of these individuals. While I don't agree with the cold hearted manner people are speaking about such things, it was bound to happen... As the people at the top truly are the only ones that can start the effects of change, but this system is so corrupt at this point, and people are so greedy, it is just getting worse. THAT is what people are applauding... The little guy showing the world, that they AREN'T above retribution..

What a sad state of affairs.

[SilentFeathers]

People Do have every right to be upset at how the "Healthcare" agencies have gained unwarranted control over the lives of the population, at the cost of their real well being. Being in bed with pharmaceutical industries who have protections for forced treatments, lack of treatments, etc...

Surely what is being seen here, isn't an uncaring population about the loss of an individual, but rather the celebration that something "Ground shaking" or "Worthy of public note" happened that showed that those in the positions making the policies and decisions over others, are worried more about profits than human life... And that engaging in such things can be dangerous, when pushed too far.. Especially if they were affected by life and death issues that this company is paid to resolve or cover.

If your car broke a day after you drove it off of the lot, you would expect your insurance to cover the repair... You paid for it... But people aren't being treated well in our wealthcare system. But forced to pay massive amounts of money just to be "Covered".

United Healthcare is now dropping some seniors in my state from coverage entirely... Most likely because they tend to get the sickest and require the most treatments... And that isn't "profitable"... So United Healthcare isn't playing nice with the population at large, and this was the man driving the bus...

A CEO is the highest ranking officer in a corporation... So this was a message stating that if they can be taken out, those below said "Executive" are not safe... And that they better wake up and remember their profession is to help people, if that is profitable? Great, but when the profits come before the care, there is a major breakdown... And that is where we are...

Sadly the healthcare industry isn't for the sake of the well being of the population, it is a tradable "For Profit" industry, and with great power and influence these days.. Which plays with the lives of its members... Many who engage them are dealing with life and death issues. Why are so many surprised it came to taking the life of the man at the helm?

I feel for this man and his family, but the message was loud and clear... How many people died as a result of the decisions of these CEO's? I think the lack of concern for this mans loss, reflects the lack of concern for the lives of patients that got substandard, or little to no care when they needed it the most, as a result of the policies of these individuals. While I don't agree with the cold hearted manner people are speaking about such things, it was bound to happen... As the people at the top truly are the only ones that can start the effects of change, but this system is so corrupt at this point, and people are so greedy, it is just getting worse. THAT is what people are applauding... The little guy showing the world, that they AREN'T above retribution..

What a sad state of affairs.

Personally I think this murdered CEO was a petty criminal compared to what governments, CDC, WHO, Fauchi and many many other doctors etc etc etc did during the Covid fiasco.

Regardless, we are witnessing the collapse of civilization on many levels.

[4got2call]

I don't think you're watching the collapse of civilization, but the awakening of the people to the assorted levels and influences of corruption. There are many signs that this event is more than it appears. I think it's related to a coordinated attempt to inform the public about several elements of harm to humanity that have been in place for decades and need to be seen finally by the public as a crisis needing coordinated efforts to stop. The first step is to help a public long numbed by sophisticated propaganda and social conditioning into accepting anything told to them on TV or online as truth never to be questioned. The recent findings by the U.S. H-o-R Select Subcommittee on Covid-19 is a sign of this too. It's all coming out now that there is an enterprise of coordinated corruption in multiple public enterprises and those trying to alert the public to that fact have to go about it in a metered, gradual manner in a nation of 342 million unsettled people... with 400-700 million firearms. I see multiple evidentiary pieces which point to a complex "theater" operation to accomplish that awakening without enraging, frightening or despairing that numbed public.

[rgray222]

Surely what is being seen here, isn't an uncaring population about the loss of an individual, but rather the celebration that something "Ground shaking" or "Worthy of public note" happened that showed that those in the positions making the policies and decisions over others, are worried more about profits than human life... And that engaging in such things can be dangerous, when pushed too far.. Especially if they were affected by life and death issues that this company is paid to resolve or cover.


Denise, I understand what you are saying but a few points you should consider.
If you extrapolate your thought process out a bit further then we should consider murder as a good course of action for people whose decisions are responsible for taking lives. Here are just three examples, I could give you many many more.

How about every CEO of every food company on the planet? Dyes in foods and highly processed foods cause cancer. They include breakfast cereals, canned vegetables, meatless burgers, cupcakes, hot dogs, candy, sausage, ketchup, etc., and the list goes on and on.
How about every manager of every department of motor vehicles around the world? They set speed limits. Lowering the top speed on the planet to 40 instead of 60 or 70 would save hundreds of thousands of lives. How about 20 miles an hour, we could save more people. Several large studies say a 5% reduction in average speed could result in a 30% decrease in the number of fatal crashes.
Should we consider murder for every doctor who prescribed the wrong medication to a patient and the result was death, this happens every day. The Journal of Patient Safety estimates that medical errors contribute to more than 400,000 deaths in the U.S. every year, with medication errors being a significant contributor.

There are some possible reasons why people might be drawn to certain aspects of evil individuals or their stories. Evil individuals often exist in grey areas between good and evil, making them more complex and intriguing characters. Some people are drawn to these moral ambiguities as a way to challenge their own moral beliefs and values. People should avoid the feeling of sympathy for a murderer no matter the reason. Altruism can be a huge force for positive change in the world and every caring person should make it part of their life. This would prevent or at least curtail people feeling sympathetic to a murderer.

By the way, I believe if people closely examine their lives they can figure out where, when and how they were taught that evil can be a force for good.

[Bill Ryan]

A closely related thread to this might be something like: Can vigilantism ever be justified?

That might be a question worth asking, and then seeing if we can together come up with some interesting thoughts. I won't try (or dare!) to respond to that question here, but it does seem to me that the answer might not be just a straight, simple 'No'.

[Bill Ryan]

A closely related thread to this might be something like: Can vigilantism ever be justified?

That might be a question worth asking, and then seeing if we can together come up with some interesting thoughts. I won't try (or dare!) to respond to that question here, but it does seem to me that the answer might not be just a straight, simple 'No'.

And another possible thread, connected with the killing of enemy soldiers in war.

I'm not sure what a simple title might be, but the question posed would be something like:

Why is it considered moral and legal to kill an enemy soldier (who may have a wife and family, be a very decent and maybe a very Christian man, has never committed a crime, and was possibly conscripted against his will), but immoral and illegal to kill a citizen who may not be a decent man and may have committed serious crimes, or actions considered to be crimes, that have never been brought to justice?

[SilentFeathers]

A closely related thread to this might be something like: Can vigilantism ever be justified?

That might be a question worth asking, and then seeing if we can together come up with some interesting thoughts. I won't try (or dare!) to respond to that question here, but it does seem to me that the answer might not be just a straight, simple 'No'.

And another possible thread, connected with the killing of enemy soldiers in war.

I'm not sure what a simple title might be, but the question posed would be something like:

Why is it considered moral and legal to kill an enemy soldier (who may have a wife and family, be a very decent and maybe a very Christian man, has never committed a crime, and was possibly conscripted against his will), but immoral and illegal to kill a citizen who may not be a decent man and may have committed serious crimes, or actions considered to be crimes, that have never been brought to justice?

On a battle field soldiers kill the enemy or will they themselves be killed by the enemy. An ugly situation for sure and quite pathetic in my opinion, war is a nasty business with rules of its own.

Citizens have laws to follow off the battlefield, it's quite illegal to walk up to someone and blow them away because you believe them to be behaving in an immoral or unethical way. Charges should be filed against the bad behaving law breakers and a court system should resolve most of these types of issues. But, we see how polluted and corrupted our court system is, so therefore more and more people will start taking the law into their own hands, which just leads to more chaos.

As I said in an earlier post, we are witnessing the collapse of civilization on many levels.

[topcat]

The murder of Brian Thompson (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-ceo-manhattan-shooting/), CEO of United Healthcare has been all over the news for the past week. It does appear that the murderer planned the attack fairly well but he also made some huge mistakes leaving behind a fingerprint, DNA and other physical evidence. While we don't know the motive for the murder it does appear that it might be because of a disallowed health care claim.

Every comment I have seen this week on social media about this story has been favourable towards the unknown murderer. Reddit has elevated the killer to superhero status. Social media has become a cesspool of dark humor about Thompson's pending hospital bills and the denial of insurance claims. I understand that this tragic event can be an opportunity for people to vent but the thought of cheering for a murderer seems cold and inhumane.

Here is a statement from Brian Thompson's wife;


Thompson is survived by his wife, Paulette Thompson, and two sons.

"We are shattered to hear about the senseless killing of our beloved Brian," Thompson's wife said in a statement provided to CBS News by her sister. "Brian was an incredibly loving, generous, talented man who truly lived life to the fullest and touched so many lives. Most importantly, Brian was an incredibly loving father to our two sons and will be greatly missed. We appreciate your well wishes and request complete privacy as our family moves through this difficult time."
It does not speak well of our society when people endorse murder for any reason but when an honest law-abiding man is murdered in cold blood for legally performing his job it seems particularly heinous. To my knowledge, I am not aware that Brain Thompson has been convicted of any crime, although there is an ongoing investigation regarding insider stock trading. It is going to be interesting to see how this criminal is treated if/when he is arrested.

I would love to hear people's thoughts on this subject.

Clearly, we cannot promote or condone murder or anarchy. We must insist on a society governed by the rule of law. What can we learn from this tragedy? It is still too early to answer many of the questions people have been asking. Early reports are often inaccurate, and we will have to wait for a thorough investigation before we can learn what may have motivated the shooter.
Early reports seem to indicate he had "ill will toward corporate America", and that he sought to highlight the practice of denying legitimate claims. This practice has been exposed by whistleblowing industry insiders, some claiming that up to 90% of claims are denied, at least initially, by health insurance providers. Some have speculated that the shooter may have lost a loved one who was denied coverage for some medical procedure(s). That is purely speculation at this point.
The medical industry is the fastest growing segment, according to some reports, and apparently very profitable. Independent hospitals are becoming rare as most have been bought up by one or another of the very large medical groups. Medicine is Big business.
It is understandable therefore that the investors would seek to minimize expenses and maximize profits. That is what businesses try to do, and it is what investors demand. But medicine shouldn't be run as a business. The goal isn't to make money, but to heal patients.
When I managed a Revco pharmacy, my store grew 30% per year because I refused to run my inventory low enough to please management. My goal was to take care of my customers rather than aim for tight inventory turns. Corporate couldn't understand how my business grew so fast when other locations were stagnant. Their system worked for maximizing profits on paper. But my goal was fundamentally different from theirs. Moms with sick kids came to see me because I took care of them.

In the medical industry, cutting expenses invariably means denying medical care, denying claims, withholding care or medicines to patients, the majority of whom are at or near retirement age. That's when people begin to need to utilize their healthcare plans, much more so than in younger years.
Industry insiders have reported that legitimate claims for care are routinely denied, or initially denied several times, i.e. delayed. Most people will give up when claims are denied. This saves money for the health insurance providers, and maximizes profits. This pleases investors. But it can result in suffering and even the early death of those who are denied coverage for their medical care.

Can we condone such behavior? As a society, can we condone practices that cause suffering and/or deaths of thousands or millions of policy holders by the intentional, systematic denial of their legitimate claims? When those in charge of hospitals and insurance companies have no moral compass, when they are driven purely by the desire for profits, they can rationalize denying coverage of legitimate claims and denying medical care to clients, customers, patients. The focus of these CEOs is on profits, not on healing or caring for patients.

The CEOs of these corporations may love their own families. But if their corporation systematically denies legitimate medical claims, and denies prior authorization for life saving operations and procedures in order to increase $ Billions in profits, then we may question if their moral compass is really that different from that of Luiigi Mangione.

If there is a silver lining to this tragedy, perhaps it is that we may take another look at the business of healthcare in America and ask ourselves if it should be run by corporations at all.
The goal must be to heal patients, to relieve suffering, not to produce returns for investors.

[Mike]

A closely related thread to this might be something like: Can vigilantism ever be justified?

That might be a question worth asking, and then seeing if we can together come up with some interesting thoughts. I won't try (or dare!) to respond to that question here, but it does seem to me that the answer might not be just a straight, simple 'No'.



Interesting idea!

But it would eventually become a circular dialogue I think. Because if reasonable people sit down and try to arrive at an ethical approach for vigilante justice, they're going to come up with an organized list of do's and don'ts. In other words, they're going to come up with something like laws, and we already have those:) And the more they whittled it down, the more they'd realize that vigilantism itself is unproductive and wrong and against the very spirit of justice they're trying to achieve.

I'd trust Batman as a vigilante, and that's about it! But even Batman is always just a fraction away from becoming the criminals he's trying to thwart.

Having said all that: Am I kind of glad when a pedophile or serial killer get stabbed in prison or something? Yeah, of course. But that's an emotional reaction, and society can't be run by emotions alone. And that's why it's such a bad idea to have women leaders (Mike running furiously for the door while being chased by a mob of angry women lol)

[Moemers]

no trust for vigilantes unless they're *checks notes* billionaires?

[Mike]

no trust for vigilantes unless they're *checks notes* billionaires?


No, unless they're Batman.

[Ravenlocke]

I’ve known self employed and unemployed people who went uninsured because they couldn’t afford healthcare insurance. I’ve known people in California that would go to Mexico for drug prescriptions, or dental service, etc because they couldn’t afford the high prices in the US.
I’ve known people that turned to Canadian drug pharmacies for their prescriptions because they couldn’t afford to buy them in the US because they didn’t have prescription drug coverage. ( These are people that worked their whole lives to pay bills and support their families).
On top of that, a lot of homeowners cannot afford rising cost of utilities, home insurance, car insurance, property taxes, or even renting a decent place all costs have to come from the salary they earn to cover these costs, or social security if retired it's no wonder so many young people have to live with their parents.
It’s no wonder also why Airbnb took off so quickly when people turned to renting a room from their home to help ease their bills. It also is no wonder a lot of young people don’t want to work.
A lot of older people cannot even afford to retire at their retirement age mark, which used to be 65, now it’s over 67 and if you delay till 70 if you live till then you get the max social security which still isn’t enough if you are sickly, or have a mortgage or don’t have any other pension plan, you just keep working to supplement your measly income to pay the bills that never stop. And again if you’re lucky enough not to get a major illness that requires expensive drug therapy, or hospice care or as a lot of elderly do, they have to sell their home to move into a “prison” which will be paid for by the proceeds from the sale of their home, so they can be cared for in an elderly home facility.

Bottom line, health insurance as well as home and auto insurances have all become a racket as long as they have a population to support them. At least with home insurance you can turn it down if you don’t have a mortgage, and hopefully your home isn’t damaged or demolished after a natural disaster. And let’s not get started on auto insurance premiums.

With all of the above and more it’s no wonder people are angry, and some are resorting to scams, theft ( including what I call organized theft such as raiding a Home Depot store or Walmart), and killing, the number of judges and attorney murders have been on the rise recently as well. Homelessness on the rise, desperation is on the rise because as a society the future is very bleak and not just anger, people are also living in fear, I see it in people’s faces, because you don’t know when you are going to be next to lose everything.

I don’t condone killing it still doesn’t solve things but it does get attention when all else seems to fail. The future is bleak whether you’re employed or retired unless you’re very rich.

[Mike]

Alotta great posts about healthcare and injustice/corruption, and the moral conundrums it might put someone in.

But, IMHO, this actually has very little to do with healthcare. It has more to do with a radicalized, mentally ill, uninformed (by his own admission), entitled, narcissistic young man whose mental illness was likely encouraged/enabled by the current culture of bitterness and resentment (i.e woke).

He was wealthy and had no problem paying for his surgeries. His particular surgery went poorly and was causing him grief. That was his bitch. It wasn't a Robin Hood thing; it was a purely selfish thing masquerading as a folk hero/Robin Hood thing..with some mental illness mixed in.

[4got2call]

"...death of the CEO could provide the Hegelian dialectic avenue to protect other executives by creating new laws that benefit them." is an excellent catch on what the elite parasite class does to benefit themselves while sneaking the theft of freedoms in under the cover of "protection" from something unwanted. By this time in history, I think it's much more known in public that nearly EVERY event - large & small - of mayhem is a deliberate tightening of the noose of control by these parasites toward their wet-dream of total digital surveillance, tracking & control - to include use of money if they had succeeded at their final phase of the Covid plandemic. Anyone wishing to better understand this context and wanting to protect their freedoms while providing REAL protection for themselves and family should look deeply into these terms: the aforementioned "Hegelian Dialectic" plus "problem, reaction, solution", "totalitarian tiptoe", "digital concentration camp", "crisis conditioning", "predictive programming" & "revelation of the method". Once fully understood, you possess a protective weapon far more powerful than those provided for by the U.S. Constitution in the 1st & 2nd amendments towards the opposition to a hidden agenda to enslave free & sovereign human beings by a constant barrage of events meant to hasten the end of their freedoms forever. Don't forget to add to it the surreptitious and nearly incomprehensible lack of enforcement of already established laws. One clear example is the widespread allowance of up to $1,000 of shoplifting without arrest. The actual long-term design is to gradually cause the public to cry out for a "solution" and in the case of this particular malignancy of the parasite class, it is to "protect the public". How? By requiring a face-scan or QR code scan or driver's license scan to even enter a store to look. To "protect" the public or the store owner against loss. Tick-tock... tighten the noose little by little... slowly heat the pot so the frog won't notice until it's too late to hop out. One purpose of forums like this one is to inform all the "frogs" about the plan so they indeed will "hop out". Among many intentions of Covid was the eventual installation of a QR-code "vaccine passport" to do ANYthing at all. Had the finest military in human history not collapsed the plan, executed the highest level of the parasites attempting it and set out to inform the public through a brilliant 5th-generation warfare information special operation, using civilians in the largest civilian-military alliance ever attempted, most of the world would right now be in the sad state of affairs that China's citizens are in: full digital ID, face scans and multiple other elements of a "social credit" scoring system which eliminates all human freedom, privacy & sovereignty forever. Maybe say a quiet whispered prayer of thanks for those who founded this forum, those that moderate it and everyone using it to learn, inform and support the "frogs".

[SilentFeathers]

Alotta great posts about healthcare and injustice/corruption, and the moral conundrums it might put someone in.

But, IMHO, this actually has very little to do with healthcare. It has more to do with a radicalized, mentally ill, uninformed (by his own admission), entitled, narcissistic young man whose mental illness was likely encouraged/enabled by the current culture of bitterness and resentment (i.e woke).

He was wealthy and had no problem paying for his surgeries. His particular surgery went poorly and was causing him grief. That was his bitch. It wasn't a Robin Hood thing; it was a purely selfish thing masquerading as a folk hero/Robin Hood thing..with some mental illness mixed in.

I blame a lot of this on the Democrats (and MSM) with their anti-cop & anti-law BS. Such an upside down and backwards ideology that just simply polluted the minds of many.

When criminals commit crimes and often are set free and law abiding citizens say the wrong words and are jailed or destroyed, it's no surprise many creeps are taking the law in their own hands.

[Moemers]

the US government regularly uses assassination and violent force and has done so since at least WW2 and that's our example. That's how the people who run things regularly respond to any challenge to their world order.

but this is the democrats fault? for anti-cop and anti-law BS?

you guys, we dont need political parties to blame this on. our example, our leadership...this is what they do. Almost everyday for like the last 100 years, someone in the US government makes a decision to kill someone.

[T Smith]

And that they better wake up and remember their profession is to help people, if that is profitable? Great, but when the profits come before the care, there is a major breakdown... And that is where we are...

Sadly the healthcare industry isn't for the sake of the well being of the population, it is a tradable "For Profit" industry,

The problem, as I see it, is way we frame and understand the problem. But even more precise is how the problem has been framed for us so we will continue to be feckless and divided (and misguided) in our approach to reform healthcare, all while the racketeers and criminals continue to ramp up ways to rape and pillage the dumbfounded masses--and all while providing no real healthcare, to boot.

It starts with the language we use to conceptualize the system. I get exactly what you're saying and agree 100% with your post, but I take issue with understanding the Healthcare Industrial Complex as a "For Profit" Industry; IMO that's misleading and misdirects our collective approach to reform. By default it presents the idea of "profit" in the pejorative, incompatible with health and wellbeing, and opens up demand for excessive government and a "revolving door" between government agency and corporate management (to curb corporate greed and malfeasance, of course), not to mention mandatory participation (think Obamacare). It opens the flood gates for regulatory oversight (code for carrying water for corporate interests) and monopolistic legislation to so-call align the "interests" of health and well being with a "for-profit" system --in short, it concocts the perfect cocktail to establish organized theft, or more to the point, to establish a Healthcare Industrial Complex Cartel.

So the Cartel is not a "For Profit Industry", per se, it's a "For Theft Industry". Yet when we incessantly describe it as the former, we are subtly -- even subliminally -- ascribing corruption, malfeasance, and dysfunction onto "profits" instead of "theft". If/when we begin understanding the greed as theft instead of profit, people will align their dogmas and ideologies in short time and find themselves on the same page with common interests and solutions (same concept also applies to taxes and inflation, IMO--but I digress). That is, a cartel operating system provides corrupted lawmakers, Big Pharma, hospitals, healthcare professionals and healthcare providers a license to legally steal (I'm not saying everyone in said operating system steals from the hapless public, or is criminal, only that the system allows for it--and even encourages it--thus corruption and theft become the defining characteristic of the system). Throw in eugenicists and Malthusian social engineers into the mix, and the operating system not only provides a license to steal, but also a license to kill. And that's exactly what we have, exactly where we're at.

If we continue to condone this operating system, none of us should expect any reforms, no matter how many laws we pass or how many CEOs fall victim to the rage of misdirected vigilantes.

A free-market operating system, in contrast, (equipped as necessary with limited governors and regulations) provides a license to realize a profit--but not to steal. The market for the services provided determines the profits, not corrupted politicians or CEOs of Big Pharma and healthcare companies. Not hospitals or doctors.

In the video in the post above, Chris Martenson call's for the industry to 1) stop being greedy, 2) provide a service, and 3) stop running rackets. What he is calling for, either overtly or covertly--or perhaps even unwittingly--is for the healthcare industry to abolish Obamacare and move over to a free-market operating system. I can hear the collective "gasp" at such a suggestion, but it can be done while providing quality and affordable healthcare for all.

Cartels grift the masses and provide lackluster, dysfunctional services, at best; free markets eradicate greed, theft, and self correct over time, while providing the highest quality of output of service to meet the market demand.

Just my two-and-half cents.

[T Smith]

Personally I think this murdered CEO was a petty criminal compared to what governments, CDC, WHO, Fauchi and many many other doctors etc etc etc did during the Covid fiasco.

Regardless, we are witnessing the collapse of civilization on many levels.

Welcome to Gotham...

[Mike]

the US government regularly uses assassination and violent force and has done so since at least WW2 and that's our example. That's how the people who run things regularly respond to any challenge to their world order.

but this is the democrats fault? for anti-cop and anti-law BS?

you guys, we dont need political parties to blame this on. our example, our leadership...this is what they do. Almost everyday for like the last 100 years, someone in the US government makes a decision to kill someone.


Good point.

But I take SilentFeathers point as well.

Thing is, it's hard to say who or what the US government is atm. But it appears to me that the deep state has operated largely thru the Democratic party in recent years. So it all depends on how you look at it I s'pose.

The issue, I guess, comes down to your last sentence there: "Almost everyday for like the last 100 years, someone in the US government makes a decision to kill someone." It's the "someone" I keep getting caught on; in bureaucracies like government, healthcare, banking, education - you name it - it's always a "someone" perpetuating harm or corruption, and we rarely if ever know who that someone or someones is/are. We all want someone to blame but it's rarely a straightforward affair.

The point I've been trying to make here is that randomly executing figureheads hardly seems like a reasonable reaction

[Mike]

And that they better wake up and remember their profession is to help people, if that is profitable? Great, but when the profits come before the care, there is a major breakdown... And that is where we are...

Sadly the healthcare industry isn't for the sake of the well being of the population, it is a tradable "For Profit" industry,

The problem, as I see it, is way we frame and understand the problem. But even more precise is how the problem has been framed for us so we will continue to be feckless and divided (and misguided) in our approach to reform healthcare, all while the racketeers and criminals continue to ramp up ways to rape and pillage the dumbfounded masses--and all while providing no real healthcare, to boot.

It starts with the language we use to conceptualize the system. I get exactly what you're saying and agree 100% with your post, but I take issue with understanding the Healthcare Industrial Complex as a "For Profit" Industry; IMO that's misleading and misdirects our collective approach to reform. By default it presents the idea of "profit" in the pejorative, incompatible with health and wellbeing, and opens up demand for excessive government and a "revolving door" between government agency and corporate management (to curb corporate greed and malfeasance, of course), not to mention mandatory participation (think Obamacare). It opens the flood gates for regulatory oversight (code for carrying water for corporate interests) and monopolistic legislation to so-call align the "interests" of health and well being with a "for-profit" system --in short, it concocts the perfect cocktail to establish organized theft, or more to the point, to establish a Healthcare Industrial Complex Cartel.

So the Cartel is not a "For Profit Industry", per se, it's a "For Theft Industry". Yet when we incessantly describe it as the former, we are subtly -- even subliminally -- ascribing corruption, malfeasance, and dysfunction onto "profits" instead of "theft". If/when we begin understanding the greed as theft instead of profit, people will align their dogmas and ideologies in short time and find themselves on the same page with common interests and solutions (same concept also applies to taxes and inflation, IMO--but I digress). That is, a cartel operating system provides corrupted lawmakers, Big Pharma, hospitals, healthcare professionals and healthcare providers a license to legally steal (I'm not saying everyone in said operating system steals from the hapless public, or is criminal, only that the system allows for it--and even encourages it--thus corruption and theft become the defining characteristic of the system). Throw in eugenicists and Malthusian social engineers into the mix, and the operating system not only provides a license to steal, but also a license to kill. And that's exactly what we have, exactly where we're at.

If we continue to condone this operating system, none of us should expect any reforms, no matter how many laws we pass or how many CEOs fall victim to the rage of misdirected vigilantes.

A free-market operating system, in contrast, (equipped as necessary with limited governors and regulations) provides a license to realize a profit--but not to steal. The market for the services provided determines the profits, not corrupted politicians or CEOs of Big Pharma and healthcare companies. Not hospitals or doctors.

In the video in the post above, Chris Martenson call's for the industry to 1) stop being greedy, 2) provide a service, and 3) stop running rackets. What he is calling for, either overtly or covertly--or perhaps even unwittingly--is for the healthcare industry to abolish Obamacare and move over to a free-market operating system. I can hear the collective "gasp" at such a suggestion, but it can be done while providing quality and affordable healthcare for all.

Cartels grift the masses and provide lackluster, dysfunctional services, at best; free markets eradicate greed, theft, and self correct over time, while providing the highest quality of output of service to meet the market demand.

Just my two-and-half cents.


Excellent post, sir:thumbsup:

[Ravenlocke]

Alotta great posts about healthcare and injustice/corruption, and the moral conundrums it might put someone in.

But, IMHO, this actually has very little to do with healthcare. It has more to do with a radicalized, mentally ill, uninformed (by his own admission), entitled, narcissistic young man whose mental illness was likely encouraged/enabled by the current culture of bitterness and resentment (i.e woke).

He was wealthy and had no problem paying for his surgeries. His particular surgery went poorly and was causing him grief. That was his bitch. It wasn't a Robin Hood thing; it was a purely selfish thing masquerading as a folk hero/Robin Hood thing..with some mental illness mixed in.

That may well be Mike, and the killer may have done it for his own selfish reasons and beliefs but it is the timing of it that influences the masses. Just the word “healthcare”alone triggers emotions of unfairness, deception, etc, especially now after the covid pandemic, rise in sickness and turbo cancers, and so many out there dealing with denial of health services for whatever reason determined by an AI algorithmn, but yet the people are paying for so called healthcare coverage, (and healthcare coverage is not a voluntary either), by their healthcare provider. It doesn't just have to be United, just has to be a Healthcare insurance, it’s about profits for the stock holders as mentioned so many times in this thread. And profits for the pharmaceuticals, hospital supplies, hospital ceos etc.

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1867319417962692930

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[Strat]

You missed the part where I expressed sympathy for his wife and kids because they will be better off without him. He was a monster, responsible for implementing policy which led to countless death. Which part of that isn't sinking in, Mike?


Mike, seriously, are you ok?


Cute:bigsmile:

The bloviating 'meat-is-murder' guy who ironically endorses the cold-blooded execution of a guy just going about his business on a city street is concerned about my mental well-being. Well, thanks for asking creepy vegan guy! I'm great, how are you?

I have to assume, if you endorse this execution and think his family and friends are better off without him and all that just because he's the CEO of healthcare company, that you'd also endorse the execution of all healthcare CEO's for the same ridiculous reason? That's not a rhetorical question by the way.

So much for the Gandhi non violent resistance!

[Moemers]

the US government regularly uses assassination and violent force and has done so since at least WW2 and that's our example. That's how the people who run things regularly respond to any challenge to their world order.

but this is the democrats fault? for anti-cop and anti-law BS?

you guys, we dont need political parties to blame this on. our example, our leadership...this is what they do. Almost everyday for like the last 100 years, someone in the US government makes a decision to kill someone.


Good point.

But I take SilentFeathers point as well.

Thing is, it's hard to say who or what the US government is atm. But it appears to me that the deep state has operated largely thru the Democratic party in recent years. So it all depends on how you look at it I s'pose.

The issue, I guess, comes down to your last sentence there: "Almost everyday for like the last 100 years, someone in the US government makes a decision to kill someone." It's the "someone" I keep getting caught on; in bureaucracies like government, healthcare, banking, education - you name it - it's always a "someone" perpetuating harm or corruption, and we rarely if ever know who that someone or someones is/are. We all want someone to blame but it's rarely a straightforward affair.

The point I've been trying to make here is that randomly executing figureheads hardly seems like a reasonable reaction

what is a reasonable reaction then?

[Bluegreen]

Alleged manifesto of Luigi Mangione published by Ken Klippenstein. (https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto)

. . . . .


“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

[Satori]

Alleged manifesto of Luigi Mangione published by Ken Klippenstein. (https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto)

. . . . .


“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

This is more like a short, superficial essay than a manifesto. Just saying.

[rgray222]

T Smith;1646390 (here)
A free-market operating system, in contrast, (equipped as necessary with limited governors and regulations) provides a license to realize a profit--but not to steal. The market for the services provided determines the profits, not corrupted politicians or CEOs of Big Pharma and healthcare companies. Not hospitals or doctors.

In the video in the post above, Chris Martenson call's for the industry to 1) stop being greedy, 2) provide a service, and 3) stop running rackets. What he is calling for, either overtly or covertly--or perhaps even unwittingly--is for the healthcare industry to abolish Obamacare and move over to a free-market operating system. I can hear the collective "gasp" at such a suggestion, but it can be done while providing quality and affordable healthcare for all.

Cartels grift the masses and provide lackluster, dysfunctional services, at best; free markets eradicate greed, theft, and self correct over time, while providing the highest quality of output of service to meet the market demand.

I agree with this assessment, I am sure that millions will disagree with me but capitalism will 'almost' always sort itself out. It is when the government gets in between the company and the consumer that we run into problems. If you read about the early days of electricity in the USA you will find that many companies were offering to electrify homes and offices. Some of them were less than reputable and the government felt the need to step in and control the corporations. This is how we ended with these legal monopolies that we call public utilities. To this day they don't have to innovate to survive because their place in the market is guaranteed. Had the government just let the market work it all out we would be living our lives very differently.

Of course, that is how the government justifies and pays for their existence by getting in between the consumer and the corporation. This is not to say that government isn't necessary but it should be extremely limited and only allowed to grow in minuscule increments.

Sorry didn't mean to get so off track.

[Mike]

Alleged manifesto of Luigi Mangione published by Ken Klippenstein. (https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto)

. . . . .


“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

This is more like a short, superficial essay than a manifesto. Just saying.


Yeah it's sort of like a glorified tweet LOL. Pretty lazy revolutionary if ya ask me. And they've already got his face on t-shirts! I imagine Che Guevara would be ripping up that little beret of his in anger were he around to witness all this:)

[Nasu]

The biggest joke of all this tragic tale is he is now claiming to be innocent! What the heck?….x… N

[4got2call]

Maybe at that time that was the context, but I'm nearly certain that the context of today is that the govt IS the corporation and vice-versa. And the the dual-power is only the visible authority of the real power.
Thankfully, it got so bad and so many kids disappeared that they were ended and now the public has to be apprised without collapsing society from overwhelming rage, especially in an armed nation....

[Mike]

My latest Substack piece on this topic. I just basically plagiarized all my posts here and arranged them in a coherent way.. and it turned out alright.

https://mikeknittel.substack.com/p/vigilantism-healthcare-mental-illness

[Moemers]

what is a reasonable reaction then?

[rgray222]

My latest Substack piece on this topic. I just basically plagiarized all my posts here and arranged them in a coherent way.. and it turned out alright.
https://mikeknittel.substack.com/p/vigilantism-healthcare-mental-illness


and [I am] annoyed because I’m a much more effective and caustic a$$hole when I actively dislike someone, and this bit of affection robbed me of my fuel.
Mike's substack
You describe my style to a tee, but that is a conundrum. I don't allow myself to think about it, or God forbid, put it in print because I want to believe I am a bigger person than that. So when you smack me in the back of the head and force me to acknowledge this human failing it is a bit painful.

Back to to the thread...............there are so many people, social media outlets. insurance companies, big pharma, healthcare in general and of course, the mainstream media companies to dislike in this story for a host of different reasons that it is difficult to choose a target.

[Mike]

My latest Substack piece on this topic. I just basically plagiarized all my posts here and arranged them in a coherent way.. and it turned out alright.
https://mikeknittel.substack.com/p/vigilantism-healthcare-mental-illness


and [I am] annoyed because I’m a much more effective and caustic a$$hole when I actively dislike someone, and this bit of affection robbed me of my fuel.
Mike's substack
You describe my style to a tee, but that is a conundrum. I don't allow myself to think about it, or God forbid, put it in print because I want to believe I am a bigger person than that. So when you smack me in the back of the head and force me to acknowledge this human failing it is a bit painful.

Back to to the thread...............there are so many people, social media outlets and mainstream media companies to dislike in this story for a host of different reasons that it is difficult to choose a target.


Thanks for reading. Yeah I'm always trying to explore my own motivations when I'm writing stuff like that. If I can root that outta me it sometimes makes for some humorous (I hope) and uncomfortable moments.

@Moemers: a reasonable reaction would be to put pressure on your lawmakers, try to become a lawmaker yourself, or to keep using your freedom of speech to stir up some action around the issue. T.Smith articulated really well what needs to be done in his post #172.

But the most important and practical thing you can do right now is take full responsibility for your health so you don't need the bastards. Eat well, avoid drink and drugs etc. And even if you do get ill, you still don't really need them if you learn how to treat yourself with herbs and nutritional supplements and various other "alternative" methods. That's what I do and what many people across the world are beginning to do. I have a health condition that would have surely killed me if I kept taking my doctors advice. But I abandoned all that sh!t and educated myself and saved my own life.

I think we could dump 85% of our pharm drugs into the sun and be much better off for it. That's all "healthcare" is really - surgery and drugs. Thank God for surgery, and thank God for skilled surgeons, but outside of that (and perhaps some diagnostic tech) the rest is utterly useless (and even worse, very harmful).

[Ravenlocke]

Text:
NEW: Florida woman breaks down in tears after she became the first Luigi Mangione copycat to be arrested.

Briana Boston, a 42-year-old mother of three, was arrested for making threats to BlueCross BlueShield over a rejected medical claim.

The woman, who is now facing up to 15 years in prison, allegedly quoted Mangione, saying, "Delay, Deny, Depose. You people are next."

This was a similar message that Mangione left on his bullet casings.

The woman told investigators that "healthcare companies played games and deserved karma from the world because they are evil," adding that she was inspired by the recent news cycle.

Boston was charged with threats to conduct a mass sh**ting or act of terrorism.

Her bond was set at $100,000. She faces up to 15 years behind bars.

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1867350261129253227

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[rgray222]

There are all sorts of unconfirmed reports that the McDonald's employee, Nancy Parker has been fired and will not get the reward money. At this stage, those stories appeared to be coming from Reddit and other off-the-wall forums.
Here are the facts as of today.

Why McDonald’s employee who reported Luigi Mangione might not get the $60K reward

The NYPD and FBI offered a joint $60,000 (FBI $50K and NYPD $10K) reward during the manhunt for UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson’s killer — but it wasn’t immediately clear who, if anyone, would get the cash now that an arrest has been made.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/12/luigi-mangione-26-suspect-new-95141744_a6b365.jpg?resize=1024,682&quality=75&strip=all

Luigi Mangione, 26, was captured in Altoona, Pennsylvania, on Monday after a McDonald’s employee spotted him eating at the fast food restaurant and called 911.

According to FBI rules, a tipster can’t nominate themselves to collect the reward — meaning the employee would have to be put forward by an investigating agency.

They would then have to cut through a bunch of red tape in order to make a claim.

The rewards, too, are often only paid out if the arrest leads to a conviction.

Source: https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/who-gets-the-60k-reward-in-search-for-unitedhealthcare-ceos-killer/

[Moemers]

the irony of that is too thick.

[ExomatrixTV]

Concert ERUPTS When Luigi Mangione's Face Appears:

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Jordan Chariton is here to break down the latest news on Luigi Mangione after concert goers went wild after seeing his face shown on screen. This is just the latest in a long line of support being shown for him from the public, and we'll break these down, as well as the healthcare stories that are permeating through the media now.
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“Luigi Mangione Missing 90 Days” - New Findings Possibly Influenced Killing Of UnitedHealthcare CEO:

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Explosive outburst at a Pennsylvania courthouse raises questions about the mind and motives of the accused. PBD and the team unpack the bizarre timeline, potential manipulation, and chilling societal reactions to the case of Luigi Mangione.

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1868249653105570026

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Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
Did You Know: P Diddy's lawyer Marc Agnifilo and Luigi Mangione's lawyer Karen Friedman Agnifilo are *MARRIED*? 🤔

[Denise/Dizi]

I’ve known self employed and unemployed people who went uninsured because they couldn’t afford healthcare insurance. I’ve known people in California that would go to Mexico for drug prescriptions, or dental service, etc because they couldn’t afford the high prices in the US.
I’ve known people that turned to Canadian drug pharmacies for their prescriptions because they couldn’t afford to buy them in the US because they didn’t have prescription drug coverage. ( These are people that worked their whole lives to pay bills and support their families).
On top of that, a lot of homeowners cannot afford rising cost of utilities, home insurance, car insurance, property taxes, or even renting a decent place all costs have to come from the salary they earn to cover these costs, or social security if retired it's no wonder so many young people have to live with their parents.
It’s no wonder also why Airbnb took off so quickly when people turned to renting a room from their home to help ease their bills. It also is no wonder a lot of young people don’t want to work.
A lot of older people cannot even afford to retire at their retirement age mark, which used to be 65, now it’s over 67 and if you delay till 70 if you live till then you get the max social security which still isn’t enough if you are sickly, or have a mortgage or don’t have any other pension plan, you just keep working to supplement your measly income to pay the bills that never stop. And again if you’re lucky enough not to get a major illness that requires expensive drug therapy, or hospice care or as a lot of elderly do, they have to sell their home to move into a “prison” which will be paid for by the proceeds from the sale of their home, so they can be cared for in an elderly home facility.

Bottom line, health insurance as well as home and auto insurances have all become a racket as long as they have a population to support them. At least with home insurance you can turn it down if you don’t have a mortgage, and hopefully your home isn’t damaged or demolished after a natural disaster. And let’s not get started on auto insurance premiums.

With all of the above and more it’s no wonder people are angry, and some are resorting to scams, theft ( including what I call organized theft such as raiding a Home Depot store or Walmart), and killing, the number of judges and attorney murders have been on the rise recently as well. Homelessness on the rise, desperation is on the rise because as a society the future is very bleak and not just anger, people are also living in fear, I see it in people’s faces, because you don’t know when you are going to be next to lose everything.

I don’t condone killing it still doesn’t solve things but it does get attention when all else seems to fail. The future is bleak whether you’re employed or retired unless you’re very rich.

YES, THIS... all true in America... Thank You for sharing it so eloquently written...

[Akasha]

no trust for vigilantes unless they're *checks notes* billionaires?


No, unless they're Batman.

Isn't Batman basically a billionaire?

[Mike]

no trust for vigilantes unless they're *checks notes* billionaires?


No, unless they're Batman.

Isn't Batman basically a billionaire?

He is! But billionaires are not Batman.

[Moemers]

no ones talking about how this Luigi monarch isnt the shooter, huh?

[Mike]

no ones talking about how this Luigi monarch isnt the shooter, huh?

I'm listening. Waddya got?

[Moemers]

https://i.ibb.co/7jcGYTh/Screen-Shot-2024-12-15-at-11-17-08-AM.png

[Nasu]

So ironic that the snitch isn't likely to be paid for snitching after all. A lesson to future snitches I guess. Or just a parody of the health care denial system maybe. Either way this tale of woe keeps on giving....x.... N

[Johnnycomelately]

So ironic that the snitch isn't likely to be paid for snitching after all. A lesson to future snitches I guess. Or just a parody of the health care denial system maybe. Either way this tale of woe keeps on giving....x.... N

Thanks, Nasu. Haha, yeah. Incipient Statesman (©️?) Mr. Josh Johnson, in his dissertation on this, used an insurance claim denial as that allegory.

Tale does keep on giving. JJ explores the widespread social media approval, the observed and otherwise imagined response of bigtime CEOs, and gives some interesting reasoning about the possible whys. He even cracks about MSM not being able to get or even find a pic that shows Lou looking bad. Says that even in his mugshots, Luigi looks like he’s modelling for a cologne ad lol.

The Failure, Fear, And Frenzy around Luigi Mangione

Josh Johnson
1.02M subscribers

242,665 views Dec 17, 2024 (Alberta time)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZl_ZBzvifA

[rgray222]

Luigi Mangione Prosecutors Have a Jury Problem: 'So Much Sympathy'

What's New
An attorney has said that jury selection may be very difficult in Luigi Mangione's murder trial as there is so much public sympathy for the alleged killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

Neama Rahmani, who was a federal prosecutor in California, said that Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg will have to be very careful during the jury selection process.

"I've never seen an alleged murderer receive so much sympathy. To many people, Mangione is a hero of sorts," Rahmani said.

Rahmani, now president of West Coast Trial Lawyers law firm in California, said that prosecutors must look out for pro-Mangione sympathizers who may try to get on the jury.

"District Attorney Alvin Bragg's office is going to have to weed out 'stealth jurors' during voir dire. They may want to acquit to send a message to health insurance companies," he said.

Voir Dire is the process through which prosecution and defense teams ask jurors written and oral questions to assess their sympathies.

Both teams will be given an opportunity to eliminate potential jurors they believe are too sympathetic to the one side or the other.

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2546832/mangione.webp?w=790&f=d3760d3785f18efd0de2b6c01fa642f2

Why It Matters
On Tuesday, Mangione was charged in New York with first degree murder in furtherance of terrorism.

Under New York law, the terrorism charge can be brought if the act "intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policies of a unit of government by intimidation or coercion and affect the conduct of a unit of government by murder, assassination or kidnapping."

If convicted, 26-year-old Mangione could be facing life imprisonment without parole.

What To Know
The Daily Mail reported on December 10 that online influencers were urging Mangione supporters to get on the jury and return a not-guilty verdict.

This included encouraging young New Yorkers to turn down jury service so that they might be called to sit on the Mangione trial.

Thompson, 50, was shot dead by a masked gunman as he walked alone to his company's annual investor conference at the New York Hilton Midtown at around 6:45 a.m. on Wednesday, December 4.

Mangione, 26, was arrested in Altoona, Pennsylvania, after a McDonald's customer reportedly alerted an employee after recognizing him from surveillance camera images that the NYPD had publicized.

What People Are Saying
New York attorney, Colleen Kerwick, said that defense lawyer, Karen Friedman Agnifilo, will carefully select the jury in the hope of finding pro-Mangione jurors.

"Friedman Agnifilo would ask potential jurors where they reside in Manhattan and where they get their news sources from to determine their political leanings," Kerwick said.

"She would also ask whether they were involved in particular protests or campaigns, to determine whether they would empathize with activism, and whether they have an invisible disability, or work in healthcare, to determine if they would be sympathetic to the cause or buy an insanity defense or extreme emotional disturbance affirmative defense."

She said the defense team "will want younger jurors who will identify with Mangione, over his alleged victim."

Friedman Agnifilo's spokeswoman told Newsweek on Monday that Friedman Agnifilo would "respectfully decline" to comment on the case.

What Happens Next
A trial date has not yet been set. Having gathered large quantities of forensic evidence, police and prosecutors are now focused on gathering information to back up the terrorism enhancement. This includes talking to Mangione's family and friends and examining his social media postings. They are looking for evidence that Mangione killed Thompson as a political statement against the perceived injustices of the medical insurance industry.

Source: https://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangione-jury-sympathy-former-prosecutor-alvin-bragg-terrorism-new-york-brian-thompson-2002626

[rgray222]

All I can say is wow.

Accused healthcare CEO shooter Luigi Mangione arrives in New York City following extradition.

https://i.redd.it/2wfbv7eimu7e1.jpeg

[Satori]

All I can say is wow.

Accused healthcare CEO shooter Luigi Mangione arrives in New York City following extradition.

https://i.redd.it/2wfbv7eimu7e1.jpeg

This is crazy. Why all the muscle and display of fire power? What’s the real message?

[Bill Ryan]

All I can say is wow.

Accused healthcare CEO shooter Luigi Mangione arrives in New York City following extradition.

https://i.redd.it/2wfbv7eimu7e1.jpeg

This is crazy. Why all the muscle and display of fire power? What’s the real message?A question for a lawyer. :)

Regardless of what Mangione did or didn't do, might not his own attorney be able to argue that this will influence any jury?

[Mike]

All I can say is wow.

Accused healthcare CEO shooter Luigi Mangione arrives in New York City following extradition.

https://i.redd.it/2wfbv7eimu7e1.jpeg

This is crazy. Why all the muscle and display of fire power? What’s the real message?


I'm sure quite a bit of this is for his safety. High profile prisoner etc

Also, law enforcement have been getting death threats since Mangione's arrest. This type of power display might discourage anyone from acting on it while they're out in the open.

[Moemers]

has he copped to this? or said really anything?

i dont think Mangione did it, i think he's taking the fall. i also have a strange feeling that this and the drone thing are part of the same theater production

[rgray222]

You might think I am a bit off-kilter here but when I look at this photo it wreaks of a Christ-like figure being taken to the cross. It struck me as very bizarre and very intentional. This photo is being circulated around the globe. I know that millions have sympathy/empathy for this man..........I have none for committing murder. I do feel that this man had a psychotic break and for that I do have sympathy.

https://i.redd.it/2wfbv7eimu7e1.jpeg

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a3410de_460svav1.mp4

[Moemers]

in 30 years when this kid has been locked up and so blasted with psych meds that he can't form a sentence and it comes out that it actually wasn't him...you'll probably feel some sympathy/empathy then

[Bluegreen]

If you sit in an airport for an hour, you start to realize that there are very few runway models in this world. Not to be too cynical, but by the same token, there are very few criminals with movie-star good looks.

[Moemers]

most (if not all) of the people i've seen who claim to be Monarch are extremely attractive and come from pretty set or well-off families. It would not surprise me one bit if this kid's father or uncle was in Military Intelligence somewhere and it would only add fuel to my speculation that this kid's name should be Patsy Mangione

[Mike]

You might think I am a bit off-kilter here but when I look at this photo it wreaks of a Christ-like figure being taken to the cross. It struck me as very bizarre and very intentional. This photo is being circulated around the globe. I know that millions have sympathy/empathy for this man..........I have none for committing murder. I do feel that this man had a psychotic break and for that I do have sympathy.

https://i.redd.it/2wfbv7eimu7e1.jpeg

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a3410de_460svav1.mp4



I don't think you're off kilter at all. It's a very dramatic picture! And it certainly has that Christ/cross vibe to it.

But it looks quite a bit less dramatic when the camera pans back some (in the bottom picture).

Maybe I'm being naive, but I think this top picture is being circulated mainly because it sells. Definitely intentional, but mostly because it's great fodder for the media and the folks who eat it up imo

[Mike]

https://i.ibb.co/7jcGYTh/Screen-Shot-2024-12-15-at-11-17-08-AM.png


He's about as Italian as you can get:). That unibrow can grow back in the blink of an eye! You'll also notice that he was clean shaven in that smiling photo at the hostel, and showing stubble in the police photo. Grows back fast on a young Italian dude.

I'm with you on the potential Monarch/Mk Ultra angle, but it's my current belief anyway that Mangione was the shooter. I'm not married to that idea fully, but without anything else to consider I'm sticking with it.

[Moemers]

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a3410de_460svav1.mp4


https://www.worldpressphoto.org/getmedia/0f9dc313-411e-4416-9e7a-75bac7353b66/WPP-2024Contest-NorthAndCentralAmerica-STO-JaimeRojo-01.jpg?maxsidesize=1920&resizemode=force

[Moemers]

wow they're gonna file terrorism charges on this poor kid

[Akasha]

While some here are ruminating on whether it was actually him or not, atheist animation guru, Dark Matter 2525 (https://www.youtube.com/@DarkMatter2525), has just shared his views on the subject.

His video focuses more on the general reaction of the public and why that might be.

(Does his position on 9/11 or global warming derail his argument? You be the judge).


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[rgray222]

Social media erupts in support for accused Ivy League killer as experts flag strange obsession

UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione's looks captivate TikTok users after perp walk

Social media users, primarily young women, are fawning over Luigi Mangione, the suspect accused of murdering UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in Manhattan on Dec. 4 in what authorities described as a premeditated attack.

"Luigi Mangione allegedly conducted the carefully premeditated and targeted execution of Brian Thompson to incite national debates," James Dennehy, assistant director in charge of the FBI's New York field office, said Thursday in a statement after Mangione's extradition to New York. "This alleged plot demonstrates a cavalier attitude towards humanity — deeming murder an appropriate recourse to satiate personal grievances."

Mangione is charged with first-degree murder in furtherance of an act of terrorism, stalking and a slew of other state and federal charges in both New York and Pennsylvania, for allegedly gunning down Thompson, a married father of two from Minnesota.

Mangione allegedly shot Thompson outside the Manhattan hotel where UnitedHealthcare's annual shareholder conference was being held, in an act prosecutors believe was meant to send a message to the health care insurance industry based on a manifesto found on the suspect when he was arrested days later in Pennsylvania.

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/12/720/405/luigi-mangione-extradition-to-nyc-united-healthcare-ceo-murder_014.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
Luigi Mangione is escorted from an NYPD helicopter in New York City on Thursday. (Rashid Umar Abbasi for Fox News Digital)

Since the attack and Mangione's arrest, social media has erupted with positive posts about the murder suspect.

A TikTok video of an artist sketching Mangione's face over Alexander Hamilton's face on a $10 bill to the sound of news anchors talking about the words "deny," "defend" and "depose" — the same words found on shell casings at the crime scene — has more than a million views and 234,000 likes.

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/12/720/405/brian-thompson.png?ve=1&tl=1
The CEO of UnitedHealthcare's parent company mourned the killing of Brian Thompson and implored people to see that industry executives are trying their best with a flawed system. (AP Photo/UnitedHealth Group)

"'Give me liberty or give me death' was the [original] ‘deny defend depose,'" one commenter wrote.

A video montage of clips from Mangione's Thursday extradition from Pennsylvania to New York, surrounded by NYPD officers escorting him off a plane, has gone viral with more than 2 million views.

"[T]hey acting like he's el chapo or something," one user commented on the video, with another comparing the clip to "Gotham City."

Other video montages of Mangione's perp walk, with hundreds of thousands of views, play along to songs by Taylor Swift, Lana Del Rey and Pink Floyd.

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From left: Adam Giesseman of Piqua, Ohio; Ashlyn Adami of South Bend, Indiana; and Ethan Merrill of South Bend, Indiana, protest outside the Blair County Courthouse in Hollidaysburg, Pennsylvania, after a hearing for Luigi Mangione on Thursday. (Gary M. Baranec)

"Hes being transferred from jail looking hotter… fresh shave, a fade, and fresh curls omg," one user captioned a video of Mangione being escorted to New York.

"He actually came out looking better," another user commented.

"I really hope, when he gets out of this, his friends didn't lose too much of the sweet, caring Luigi they had before this," one user wrote in response to a video of Mangione. "I hope he gets the support he needs to get over how traumatic this has been."


Source: https://www.foxnews.com/us/tiktok-swoons-unitedhealthcare-ceo-murder-suspect-luigi-mangione-perp-walk-new-york

[Akasha]

"Separated from his wife since 2018 (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/more-than-meets-the-eye-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-was-separated-from-wife-at-the-time-of-shooting/articleshow/116049434.cms?from=mdr)"; "children aged 16 and 19 (https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/who-is-brian-thompsons-family-murdered-ceos-wife-kids/)". Not that that justifies anything.


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[Moemers]

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[rgray222]

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Experts are concerned that the handling of Luigi Mangione’s case could lead to a real risk of jury nullification. This concern stems from the unusual treatment of the case, including the perp walk and the terrorism charge, which some argue are atypical and may sway public opinion.

Former federal prosecutor Neama Rahmani told Salon that the case’s handling, including the perp walk where Mangione was surrounded by heavily armed law enforcement and Mayor Eric Adams, could backfire. Rahmani noted that the widespread public support for Mangione and the special treatment his case is receiving might make it harder for prosecutors to secure a conviction. He said, “I see a very real risk of jury nullification in the case. I haven’t seen something like this since OJ, where there is so much sympathy for the accused.”

Source: https://www.salon.com/2025/01/01/real-risk-of-jury-nullification-experts-say-handling-of-luigi-mangiones-case-could-backfire/

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1880327966309380566

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[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/travisbhill5/status/1879980179449352214

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[Satori]

Re the question:

He may not be a bad guy. If he did not do it. If he did, he’s a bad guy. In my opinion.

Where things go south is:

If he did not do it but is found guilty. Then he is not a bad guy, but the system says he is. In that case he pays a price he does not owe or deserve.

Conversely, if he did do it, but the system says he did not, then he is a bad guy, but the system says he is not. In that case he does not pay the price he owes and deserves.

I do believe that one who murders another is a “bad guy” or “bad gal”.

The test is not to punish the innocent and let the guilty go free. Too often the system flips this to protect the guilty at the expense of the innocent.

To be clear, I’m not saying this man who stands accused is innocent or guilty. None of us know. He knows.

How he will he be treated by the system remains to be seen.

Just saying.

[rgray222]

UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting suspect thanks people for mail on new website

Luigi Mangione, who is charged with first-degree murder in the ambush killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, made the comments on a website set up by his defense.

The suspect in the ambush killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson thanked people who have written to him as he is jailed in a New York City detention facility.

Luigi Mangione's statement, posted on a website (https://www.luigimangioneinfo.com/) set up by his defense to provide information about his cases, appear to be his first public comments since he shouted to reporters before a court appearance in Pennsylvania in December.

Mangione is charged in New York with first-degree murder in furtherance of terrorism and other counts in Thompson's Dec. 4 killing. The CEO was shot from behind as he was walking on a Manhattan sidewalk.

Mangione said in the statement that people have written to him at the Metropolitan Detention Center, where he is jailed pending trial.

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“I am overwhelmed by — and grateful for — everyone who has written me to share their stories and express their support,” Mangione said in a statement posted to that website.

Thompson's killing has been condemned by officials. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said that “this type of premeditated, targeted gun violence cannot and will not be tolerated.”

Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, in whose state Mangione was arrested on Dec. 9, criticized people who suggested Mangione was a hero or justified in the killing.

“In some dark corners, this killer is being hailed as a hero. Hear me on this: He is no hero,” Shapiro said after Mangione was arrested at a McDonald’s in Altoona.

Mangione is charged with murder and other counts in New York in connection with Thompson’s killing, and he is also charged in Pennsylvania with weapons and other counts.

Mangione allegedly used a “ghost gun” with a suppressor on it. The words “deny” “depose” and “delay” were found on two spent shell casings and a bullet found at the scene, the district attorney’s office said in announcing a murder indictment against him.

Full Story and Watch Video: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-suspect-thanks-people-mail-new-website-rcna192326

Luigi Mangione Website (https://www.luigimangioneinfo.com/)

[Akasha]

Jeff Welles (https://www.youtube.com/@hellswelles/featured) - United Health


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[rgray222]

Luigi Mangione wrote a list of 27 things he is grateful for before his trial.

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[Mike]

Luigi Mangione wrote a list of 27 things he is grateful for before his trial.

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Interesting list. Of course I'm wondering what the redacted bit was.

He's a demented narcissist. I really don't think he possesses the ability to understand the gravity of what he's done. He thinks he's a hero. He thinks he's on the right side of history. Prediction: when he's sentenced to life in prison he's going to have a colossal meltdown. All that reality denialism will hit him in one fell, brutal swoop.

[rgray222]

Interesting list. Of course I'm wondering what the redacted bit was.

He's a demented narcissist. I really don't think he possesses the ability to understand the gravity of what he's done. He thinks he's a hero. He thinks he's on the right side of history. Prediction: when he's sentenced to life in prison he's going to have a colossal meltdown. All that reality denialism will hit him in one fell, brutal swoop.

Yes, I completely agree. Point 4 in his letter, he says he is living Groundhog Day, where every day is both Christmas and his birthday. The most disappointing and shocking part of this story is that so many people believe that murder is an acceptable form of punishment for corporate behavior they dilike/hate.
He is a lost soul who will be overwhelmed when he is found guilty of murder.

[Mike]

Interesting list. Of course I'm wondering what the redacted bit was.

He's a demented narcissist. I really don't think he possesses the ability to understand the gravity of what he's done. He thinks he's a hero. He thinks he's on the right side of history. Prediction: when he's sentenced to life in prison he's going to have a colossal meltdown. All that reality denialism will hit him in one fell, brutal swoop.

Yes, I completely agree. Point 4 in his letter, he says he is living Groundhog Day, where every day is both Christmas and his birthday. The most disappointing and shocking part of this story is that so many people believe that murder is an acceptable form of punishment for corporate behavior they dilike/hate.
He is a lost soul who will be overwhelmed when he is found guilty of murder.

Richard you should have read some of the pieces on Substack about this guy. You wouldn't believe it (actually you probably would, sadly). One hipster girl - a popular writer there - wrote something like, "he's one of us..he just snapped.."

He just snapped?:):facepalm:

She wrote glowingly of the guy, about what a swell fellow he is, and ended with "..he even read our 'stacks!" ...as if this absolved him from murdering an innocent guy in cold blood on the street. I wrote about all this on Substack, and concluded that (cliche alert!) the murder probably revealed more about the country than Mangione actually.

Another writer there wrote recently about the particular insurance company Brian Thompson worked for (it eludes me now), and pointed out that this particular company did indeed rip people off disproportionately relative to other insurance companies.. and fair enough, but the thrust of his piece was that this somehow vindicated Mangione in the final analysis:facepalm:. And the comments almost unanimously agreed!

[rgray222]

Luigi Mangione claims he was beaten by seven 'ladyboys' in Thailand months before CEO killing

Accused assassin shared WhatsApp messages about Bangkok brawl during Asia travels before Thompson shooting, report says

Luigi Mangione, the former Ivy Leaguer accused of assassinating UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, lost a fight with a gang of seven "ladyboys" in Thailand months before the crime, according to a new report.

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Left: An image showing Bangkok's bustling nightlife. Right: Luigi Mangione, accused of the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, attends a court hearing in New York City on Sept. 16, 2025. (iStock, Curtis Means/Pool/AFP via Getty Images)

The 27-year-old Mangione is being held without bail in New York City while awaiting trials at the state and federal level in connection with Thompson's pre-dawn ambush shooting on Dec. 4, 2024, outside a hotel where he was supposed to attend a shareholder conference later that morning.

In the year before the assassination, Mangione traveled to Asia, climbing a mountain in Japan and drinking with expat Americans in Thailand, according to The New York Time (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/us/luigi-mangione-asia-trip.html)s.

It was in the latter country where he was reportedly shocked to learn how little an MRI could cost outside the United States — and where he told a friend over WhatsApp he was beaten up by a group of seven "ladyboys," or transgender women, in Bangkok in March.

It's not clear how serious about the brawl he was in the messages. He attached a photo showing scratches on his arm, according to the report. After that, he returned to Japan and took a spiritual mountain climb up a trail where women hikers are not allowed.

From there, he went to India, where he met with a writer who shared an interest in the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, according to the Times report.

By December, according to prosecutors, Mangione had allegedly written about his disdain for the American health insurance industry and wanting to "whack" a CEO. He is also accused of wanting "to incite national debates" about its shortcomings.

Police found spent and unspent bullet casings while investigating the assassination, emblazoned with the words "deny," "delay" and "depose." They appear to be a reference to the title of a book that is critical of the U.S. health insurance industry called "Delay, Deny, Defend."

Read the full story: https://www.foxnews.com/us/luigi-mangione-claims-he-beaten-seven-ladyboys-thailand-months-before-ceo-killing-report

[Ravenlocke]

Reuters Legal

BREAKING: Judge dismisses murder, weapons charges against alleged UnitedHealth CEO killer Mangione https://reut.rs/45Fin56

A New York federal judge dismissed murder and weapons charges against alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione, a major blow to prosecutors that means Mangione no longer faces a possible death penalty if convicted https://reut.rs/45Fin56

https://x.com/ReutersLegal/status/2017258606580908252

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